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00:04.50Aurora_iz_kosmosHow would one modify a machine with FDE so that it looks up for a USB-key containing a keyfile for root-fs decryption, and then asks for a passphrase if the key is missing?
00:08.04rantAurora_iz_kosmos: its rather complex, involves making a script in the initrd, its documented online in various places
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00:08.48Aurora_iz_kosmosSo there's no pre-baked way to do it.
00:08.57rantAurora_iz_kosmos: such as https://possiblelossofprecision.net/?p=300  common search terms include "luks removable key"
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00:09.21rantAurora_iz_kosmos: no, nobody ever bothered to make it like something the installer would/could do :D
00:10.44rantAurora_iz_kosmos: its not that complicated in principal/theory.. just making a key file, adding it to the header, putting the keyfile on a device, setting up udev rules for that device so initrd can find it, and making a script to locate the key at the symlink location udev presents that device
00:10.56rantbut it is quite involved in practice :D
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00:11.23Aurora_iz_kosmosYeah, the udev bit is the more involved one for me. I haven't so far had to learn how it works.
00:11.48Aurora_iz_kosmosAh well, I guess this won't be a 20 minutes thing like I had first thought.
00:12.50Aurora_iz_kosmosSeems like it's either that or messing with iniramfs. Huh
00:13.22rantAurora_iz_kosmos: well if you don't screw up and follow a guide like that, 20min is plenty.. if you're of decent skill in a shell.. none of it takes much time.. building the initramfs is the slowest part, the keyfile creation being 2nd longest step probably..
00:13.30rantAurora_iz_kosmos: no, you have to do both
00:13.46Aurora_iz_kosmosOh, so the Arch-derived guide won't work. Good to know.
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00:14.15rantAurora_iz_kosmos: when you're talking rootfs encryption, the only thing available before the rootfs is unlocked is /boot and initramfs
00:14.39rantand thats supposing you left /boot unencrypted and dont have some fancy actual FDE setup
00:15.04Aurora_iz_kosmosBoot is unencrypted on that one.
00:15.38rantbut still, prior to mounting the real rootfs, your rootfs is initramfs and thus you need udev rules to identify the device that will be the key, and then need initramfs to contain a script to read and use the key
00:15.55rantnot to mention has to contain the udev rules to find the key and run the script
00:16.24rantbecause there is no way without a udev rule to insure the correct device is mounted to the correct location
00:17.11paris_0Hi folks! or I might say good evening everybody and everyone!
00:17.16rantand if you "hide" your key i.e. its not on a real filesystem, then this is especially important.. cause if its on an FS, you can label partitions or fs and access them by labels or uuids
00:18.04rantbut if its just random data hidden outside the partition table as many guides suggest, that requires udev rules to identify and alias/symlink your device node so you know you're accessing the right device
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00:19.51rantudev isnt all that hard to understand and is good to learn how to do some things with it.. to do crap like make sure your ipod always shows up as /dev/ipod or to run a script when you unlock a luks device to bind mount dirs onto it..
00:20.18rantthough admittedly pissing with it in initramfs to auto-unlock rootfs with removable key, is a more advanced usage :D
00:20.27Aurora_iz_kosmosHeh
00:20.52Aurora_iz_kosmosWell, thanks for mentioning things I'll need to readup on before.
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00:21.15rantI would like to see it in the installer someday myself or simple tools to do it
00:21.39rantbut short of getting to hacking it myself, doubt it'll happen
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00:23.31paris_0I have one question, about sound, when I turn on computer, the sound is off, so I have to physically go to the sound preferences , and change in the "Output" to V20 USB portable speakers, Are there is a way to change permanently?
00:24.19rantthis is usually done automatically, caveats including those where the device isn't plugged in when you boot/login
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00:24.52rantalsa has long since saved settings across reboots, as does pulseaudio, network-manager, etc, etc, etc
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00:25.31rantchances are whatever your issue is is something DE specific and specific to your exact use case
00:25.56rantparis_0: are you using XFCE?
00:26.38paris_0no, I am using mate.
00:26.50rantah.. well mate is far better with this kinda stuff
00:27.01rantI only ever had issues with these sorts of things using XFCE
00:27.42rantin mate-volume-control whatever I have set as the output device stays that way across reboots
00:28.00ranteven if I have it set to HDMI and boot without my minidp->hdmi plugged in
00:28.49rantthough in this case, my HDMI audio is still there just not usable, where if what you're talking about is effectively a USB sound card, if its not plugged in, the device is not available to even BE selected
00:35.25paris_0rant, could you kindly speak just plainly, as far I was able to understand the USB speakers are connected, Just I have to change in sound preferencies in the "Output" from "Build-in Audio Analog Stereo to V20 USB portable speakers all the time if I wont to listen any music or . . .
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00:53.43Aurora_iz_kosmosMaybe setting them as the fallback/default devices?
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02:06.37tehnullI didn't configure a swap partition when I installed and now I'm running out of memory and having applications crash. How do I fix it without reinstalling?
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02:09.59Old_Dogtehnull I can tell you how I would fix it. someone else may have a different/better idea.
02:11.01awal1https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/5/html/deployment_guide/s1-swap-adding
02:11.01Old_Dogif you would like
02:11.43Old_Dogah there you go.
02:11.51awal1https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
02:12.01awal1https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_a_swap_file.3F
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02:23.55tehnullalright well lets try this again and see if it crashes
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02:26.58zabaniyahhallo
02:27.12zabaniyahi have 1 issue in mu debian 9
02:27.28zabaniyahhow to install android driver indebian 9
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02:35.38tehnullyay swap is filling and it hasn't crashed yet wooo
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02:46.51tehnullsooo... https://i.postimg.cc/sg7Dv0xh/hugeram.png
02:46.53tehnullwhat do?
02:48.16rantif you dont kill that process like right now, you're liable to be screwed
02:49.07rantonce you run out of swap, a SAK is about your only option and even that may not get through with all the SHTF
02:49.13toruvinni thought php had some default set_ini() for max ram.
02:49.25ranthell if I know
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02:49.46tehnullwell it died on it's own I guess
02:50.12tehnullI just don't understand why it's using so much ram
02:50.33rantyeah, well either you got a bug, or you got a bug.. heh
02:50.37tehnullall It's doing is moving a file from 1 drive to another and verifying the file hash afaict
02:51.17rantis it an incredibly huge file? :D
02:51.21tehnullI know precisely 0 about PHP, how would I go about diagnosing the problem and fixing it?
02:51.25tehnullit's 24gb
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02:54.56toruvinnif it's php some people's idea of processing files means loading them all in ram first...
02:55.15toruvinnlike, file_get_contents(...) and then sha1() this or whatever. :-<
02:55.31toruvinnive seen quite a bit of terrible PHP code in my life
02:55.43ranttoruvinn: idk, I'd get rid of that torrent app just cause it uses php :D
02:56.02rantI use transmission-daemon for those sorts of things.. it has a curses, web, gtk, etc frontend..
02:56.11toruvinnrtorrent itself doesnt use php.
02:56.18toruvinnit's some gui or something i guess
02:56.43rantyeah well its apparently got a bug. I never had issues like that with transmission
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03:03.00ranttoruvinn: furthermore it doesnt seem to be in debian, all the qt, gtk, web, and curses frontends as well as the server for transmission are all in debian
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03:12.15ranttoruvinn: the transmission-daemon is written in C and has the web client built in
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03:21.58trystennoob question. How would I find out why a package is in stable and unstable but not testing?
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03:28.22corujalook at the package's page at tracker.debian.org
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03:32.25trystenSure enough coruja. Thank you. https://tracker.debian.org/news/965175/synergy-removed-from-testing/
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03:33.01Unit193trysten: Take a look at 'barrier' if you haven't already.
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03:37.59trystenUnit193: sweet thanks
03:38.47Unit193Sure thing!
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04:46.12LikWidChzHey folks, having a weird problem and its pretty basic. I have an interface that doesnt start at boot and im not sure what the problem is.
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05:01.35kreyrenis there a package for firefox-nightly in debian?
05:01.39kreyrenESR is bugged af
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05:11.51rantno, why the hell would debian have a package for firefox-nightly?
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05:31.57GNU_LinuxI found interesting hosts connecting to my port 80.
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05:38.53sshTapsuse user specific firewall rules then GNU_Linux
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07:05.37at0mGNU_Linux: mysqlurllogger.pl irssi script? you been pasting on irc?
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07:06.41GNU_Linuxat0m, yes, I think so.
07:06.55at0mthat would explain.
07:07.01GNU_Linuxat0m, because I pasted with HexChat, but not with irssi. It may have been some other address.
07:07.22at0myea client address as in access log snippet.
07:07.26GNU_Linuxat0m, so is it just my machine doing that, or is there a remote client, machine, server or host?
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07:07.34GNU_Linuxat0m, ok
07:07.49at0msomeone in a channel you pasted that running that script
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07:08.07at0mi mean, it's automatic if they're running the url loggeR.
07:08.37at0myou pasted at 10/Mar/2019:07:39:29
07:08.43at0mor just before that
07:08.46GNU_Linuxat0m, yes, I figured so.
07:08.59GNU_Linuxat0m, so, nothing special so far.
07:09.09at0mnothing special.
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07:37.22Furry_KittyAre there lts versions of Debian?
07:38.38Furry_KittyClient: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.8 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7100U CPU @ 2.40GHz (700MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.6 GiB Total (2.3 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 309.6 GB / 809.4 GB (499.7 GB Free) • VGA: 8086:5916 @ 8086:5904 • Uptime: 1h 0m 0s
07:38.53Furry_KittyOh Sorry. That was a mistake
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07:40.05nevivurnFurry_Kitty: stable is the "LTS" version. Everything else is rolling-ish.
07:42.31Furry_KittyThanks
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08:05.27agiohttps://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#libv8
08:06.52agiothe above  stretch release notes  state that debian security team can't support the stream of libV8 vulnerabilities
08:07.47agiomy question is, why can't the debian security team just take the security patches from upstream and package?
08:08.44agiois the issue that debian doesn't think the upstream are - themselves - properly addressing the security?
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08:09.53agioand that debian would want to take the upstream security patches to a higher level of security?
08:11.14agioor is the issue simply the work of "debian-izing" the upstream packages too much (and that debian would consider the upstream node/libV8 devs to be doing a satisfactory job of security support?
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08:48.16GNU_Linuxsudo nmap -4 -vv -O -A org.fi
08:48.22GNU_Linuxlike that.
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10:17.19gnu_linuxat0m, ok
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11:13.46anonymous83719i just upgraded from Jessie to stretch and now i have a boot loop
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11:23.45soulseekermost of the work trashed
11:24.00soulseekerunless it can be remounted
11:24.24soulseekerthough maybe for the better
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11:35.27anonymous83719i fixed it with dpkg
11:36.32soulseekeranonymous83719: what did you fix
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11:49.18soulseekerI didn't guess you were talking about the reiserfs bad superblock and the error out of reiserfsck
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12:07.32choiceFrom one of my servers, I can wget/ping/etc all hosts, but not one in particular. Any ideas how to figure out why?
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12:15.12protectionfaultHi. Whenever I insert an SD card, Debian mounts it.  After manually unmounting, the drive remains in read only mode. How can I reconfigure automount in bare debian?
12:16.37diogenes_protectionfault, depends on DE
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12:16.54protectionfaultDE?
12:17.20diogenes_desktop environment
12:17.23protectionfaultgnome
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12:17.34protectionfaultsorry, I mean default installation bare debian
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12:19.07diogenes_protectionfault, maybe here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/18926/how-to-control-gnomes-auto-mounting-capabilities
12:19.22[sr]hi, how to ake apt sources dont go further than jessie 8.8 (or any other), is there a way to lock this?
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12:22.08protectionfaultThe answer in there I have already tried. Indeed, the automount options are hidden in System Tools -> Settings -> Details -> Removable media, but the settings I make there have no effect.
12:22.46mlokWhen I try to install apt install libc6=2.24-11+deb9u3 it is saying that the version is not found, what could be the issue?
12:23.04diogenes_protectionfault, then look in dconf-editor
12:23.33mlokI currently have libc6 2.28-8 on Debian 9 Stretch
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12:25.23protectionfaultdiogenes_ looking in it now, what should I look for? The entries for nautilus from your link are not showing up.
12:25.33mlokIs it a good idea to remove libc6 or reinstall it manually?
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12:27.59diogenes_protectionfault, search for word "mount"
12:28.10protectionfaultI had already tried that to no avail
12:28.39protectionfaultI have also started dconf-editor as a superuser now, to see if perhaps more options would be visible, but no mount options can be found
12:29.31diogenes_switch to xcfe :) or cinnamon
12:29.44diogenes_xfce*
12:31.24protectionfaulti have found more automount options in "org/gnome/desktop"
12:31.31protectionfaultthanks for helping out
12:32.18soulseekerdiogenes_: what do you think about lt. dang linux
12:32.31soulseekerare you going to offer him lt. dang linux
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12:33.11diogenes_protectionfault, you're welcome
12:33.32protectionfaulti will probably try out another desktop manager soon. I like the design philosophy of gnome, but how things are renamed. For me, it would work much better if it's called "nemo", rather than "My Files"..
12:34.16diogenes_soulseeker, what?
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12:35.29protectionfaultit seems some sort of forrest gump reference
12:36.10soulseekerit aint got no legs
12:36.31protectionfaultbut it runs like hell?
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12:36.47soulseekerheh couldbe
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12:39.21protectionfaultEither it hasn't worked, or dconf-settings require a reboot.
12:41.13diogenes_maybe even something in gnome-tweaks?
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12:43.01protectionfaultI'm back after a reboot, after setting all automount options to false (3 of them). Sadly, the drive was still automounted on boot.
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12:43.49diogenes_protectionfault, diogenes_> maybe even something in gnome-tweaks?
12:44.24protectionfaultIs that the same things as what gnome calls the Tweak Tool?
12:44.35diogenes_yes
12:44.37protectionfaultI'm sorry, that was a joke.
12:44.48diogenes_hehe
12:45.03protectionfaultI'm sorry, I'm thankful for your help!
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12:45.53diogenes_no problem but i'm no expert at gnome :)
12:46.15protectionfaultI have a tweak installed, called removable drive menu
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12:46.36protectionfaultThere is no way to access the settings of that tweak through the tweak tool, just a slider toggle.
12:46.57protectionfaultI will now do another reboot, to see if that worked (it shouldn't of course, but it could)
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12:49.18protectionfaultGUILTY! The tweak tool plugin was the offending party.
12:49.49protectionfaultAfter disabling the "removable drive plugin" in gnome-tweaks, all weird auto-mount behavior is gone.
12:50.17protectionfaultOr is it?
12:50.52protectionfaultNo it isn't. It just doesn't show on the desktop. After doing "lsblk" I can see that still, the drive is automagically mounted, even though I have disabled automount in three places now.
12:51.22protectionfaultI feel like Lt. Dang when he has climbed in the mast of his ship.
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12:55.36protectionfaultHow can I discover why my drive is mounted?
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12:59.08ksktype "mount"
12:59.19kskyou will see all mounted devices.
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12:59.51protectionfaultthanks everyone, I have found another suspect on my mount hunt
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13:00.26protectionfaultturns out I had provisionally installed cinnamon alongside gnome, and cinnamon has it's own automount thing that runs regardless of you ever running cinnamon.
13:01.02protectionfaulttrying reboot now
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13:03.39protectionfaultReporting back, my SD card is still mounted on boot.
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13:05.14protectionfaultI have tried the following: 1) dconf-editor options mentioning automount all corrected 2) tweak-tool disabled the removable media plugin 3) disabled cinnamons automount and then removed cinnamon entirely
13:05.33diogenes_protectionfault, have a look at this: https://access.redhat.com/solutions/20107
13:09.42protectionfaultI did: gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount -> true
13:09.46protectionfaultwow
13:10.00protectionfaultthat is the setting I just set to false in dconf-editor
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13:18.38protectionfaultOnly through your patient help I have prevailed. Lt Dang is a happy man and my drive was never mounted during boot. Have a nice day, diogenes_!
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13:20.40protectionfaultthe list of automount options is repeated a couple of times in the dconf-editor, if you run into someone with this question, make sure they check they have disabled all the media-handler entries, because they are spread out. Should I enter a bug report for the gnome settings entry that had no effect on the behavior?
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13:28.05diogenes_protectionfault, i'm glad it finally worked, maybe it would make sense to bug report.
13:28.13diogenes_it's up to you.
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14:05.39protectionfaultdiogenes_ I think I understand enough about the issue to say if it is a Debian implementation issue, or a gnome issue.
14:05.53protectionfault*don't think
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14:17.31pldiemafter some tests I am able to run my system, I had bootable usb stick with Manjaro, there in menu is option EFI bootloaders and there are for options for my debian I run grub and system loads
14:17.37pldiemdoes anyone have idea why my drive does not appear in bios boot section?
14:18.12pldiem*four options
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14:19.19protectionfaultpldiem, what do you mean with bios boot section?
14:19.33protectionfaultare you in the bios right now, configuring the drives?
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14:19.47pldiemthe section where we set the order of boot
14:20.09pldiemI had: drive, usb
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14:20.23pldiemi changed to usb, because I wanted to test something
14:20.32pldiemand after successful test
14:20.44pldiemafter reboot my drive stopped appearing there
14:21.11pldiemnow I am at least able to run my system through bootable usb stick with Manjaro
14:21.11protectionfaultso your system does not boot if you skip bios?
14:21.24pldiemyes
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14:21.40rocketmagnethi everyone, which package contains the pthreads lib ?
14:21.51pldiemit informs me that there is nothing to boot from
14:21.53protectionfaulthave you changed your configuration, using the manjaro live distro?
14:22.29protectionfaulti mean on purpose, if you did accidentally you wouldn't remember
14:22.31pldiemnope, and it is not manjaro live distro, I guess
14:22.41rocketmagneti'm on debian stable
14:22.54pldiemsometime ago I wanted to test manjaro, but I resigned
14:23.02pldiemso I had usb stick available
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14:23.11pldiemafter boot on the first menu that appears
14:23.18pldiemis option EFI bootloaders
14:23.26pldiemand from there I can boot my debian system
14:23.36protectionfaultwhat kind of disk is your debian install on? ssd?
14:23.39pldiemso this is workaround for now
14:23.52protectionfaultI think I understand the predicament
14:23.55pldiemyes, nvme
14:24.14protectionfaultbrand shouldn't matter
14:24.41protectionfaultbut some bios menu's can be tricky, requiring you to introduce the bus first, only after that you can select them in the ordering
14:24.57pldiemit is not brand
14:25.06pldiemits spec of something
14:25.14pldiemyes, it is SSD
14:25.25pldiembut on PCIe
14:25.37protectionfaultso if you have the sata bus in there, only then you can put sata in the boot order. If you can specify the bios make, I could look up how the menu is structured and suggest if that is the case here.
14:25.59protectionfaultsounds fast :)
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14:26.44protectionfaultdoes your manjaro isntall still work? Can you see the drive in there? Have you disconnected it to be safe (you should have..)
14:26.45pldiemyeap, PCIe x4, so the fastest option right now I guess
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14:27.15pldiemBIOS => InsydeH20
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14:27.34pldiemwhat do you mean by manjaro install still work?
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14:28.04protectionfaultyou have a working manjaro on that usb stick you mentioned?
14:29.10pldiemno, it is just, how to call it, usb stick for to install system
14:29.55protectionfaultcan you look in the Tab: Advanced (second?) and go to "IDE configuration" to check if that is in order
14:30.29protectionfaultI'm browsing screenshots of your bios here and there are many variations, so it could require some searching
14:30.29pldiemno tab Advanced
14:30.44pldiemInformation | Configuration | Security| Boot | Exit
14:31.11protectionfaulthm, that is a minimal one, perhaps it is in "basic mode" and you have hidden advanced options?
14:31.40protectionfaultyou should look for the sata/ide config
14:31.45protectionfaultnot just the boot order
14:32.10pldiemhmm...
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14:32.28pldiemmaybe I could somehow switch to advanced mode
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14:33.28pldiemno sata/ide config
14:33.52pldiemit is laptop if that changes anything
14:34.10protectionfaultplease go to the information tab then
14:35.12protectionfaultis it an HP machine?
14:35.21pldiemLenovo
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14:37.49oiaohmpldiem: https://support.lenovo.com/au/en/solutions/pd031426 I guess the machine you have is not on this list.
14:38.14protectionfaultpldiem, does your menu go: Boot More, Boot Priority, USB Boot?
14:38.20protectionfault*Boot Mode
14:38.54pldiemBoot Mode, USB Boot, PXE Boot to LAN
14:39.05protectionfaultOk, which options have you selected for each?
14:39.16protectionfault(leave out pxe)
14:39.26pldiemUEFI, Enabled, Disabled
14:39.47protectionfaultWhat other options does it say where you have UEFI?
14:39.50pldiemthis is the same setting I had before
14:40.04protectionfaultSo under that menu is a list of disks?
14:40.16protectionfaultWithout the SATA one you had before?
14:40.30pldiemthere is only the header EFI
14:40.31xormorLinux debiankone 5.0.0 #1 SMP Tue Mar 5 18:51:43 EET 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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14:40.36pldiemand nothing on the list
14:40.39xormorshould I upgrade to 5.0.1?
14:41.08protectionfaultHave you installed the system with UEFI, or in "legacy mode"? (wild guess)
14:41.14pldiemmaybe there is some issue in the grub or something?
14:41.18pldiemUEFI
14:41.28pldiemthat was couple of months ago
14:41.32protectionfaultNo, if the disk is not visible to your bios, grub can shake it I'm afraid..
14:42.14pldiembut Manjaro installator can find bootloader and run system
14:42.22pldiemwhy BIOS stopped seeing it
14:42.27pldiem?
14:42.47pldiemreally strange
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14:44.29protectionfaultyou can run the old install through the manjaro installer? That would at least enable you to make a backup
14:44.29protectionfaultI find it amazing that Manjaro can find a disk that your bios cannot
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14:44.39protectionfaultIt confuses me
14:44.59dooglushttps://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium shows that CVE-2019-5786 is fixed for stable and sid, but not for testing. is there some way I can get a fix for testing?
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14:45.43pldiemexactly I can run old install of debian via manjaro installer
14:45.49|GIGcan someone tell me where SSH login attempts are logged ?
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14:46.15|GIGI'm getting a time-out on a debian box and cant tell why it is not accepting the connection
14:46.21pldiemif I won't figure out something I will reinstall system
14:46.45pldiemfor now I will run it vis manajaro installer
14:47.01pldiemsince tomorrow is a working day
14:47.17pldiemI to configure everything would take to much time
14:47.19protectionfaultat least you can make a backup
14:47.32pldiemprobably I can also work that way etc.
14:47.48pldiembut it is crazy to run system that way
14:47.51pldiem:)
14:47.57protectionfaultdepends on how important the system is
14:48.05protectionfaultand what is on it
14:48.29protectionfaultbut yes, i agree
14:48.37pldiembut there's need to be some way to make it visible again
14:49.01protectionfaultthe bios comes before everything
14:49.12protectionfaultif it's not in there, the drive might be on the verge of failing
14:49.46pldiemso maybe EFI bootloader  is somehow broken
14:50.01pldiemfor BIOS, but not for manjaro installer
14:50.19pldiembecause bios must be scanning drives or something
14:50.25protectionfaultcan you try putting the bios in legacy mode?
14:51.11pldiemI did before and there appeared drive
14:51.18pldiemso I tried to run this way
14:51.20protectionfaultalso, under the bios information tab, after cpu info, it should say some stuff about your drives
14:51.23pldiemof course it failed
14:51.34pldiemafter that the drive is not visible in any mode
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14:51.47protectionfaultbut before that it was already gone in uefi mode?
14:51.56pldiemyes, it was
14:52.09protectionfaultwhat does the info tab say?
14:52.12pldiemand yes there is info about both drives
14:52.13protectionfaultin your bios, first page
14:52.28protectionfaulti asked if there was
14:52.30pldiembut the second one is almost empty
14:52.58protectionfaultalmost?
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14:53.20pldiemI mean some archive files, but no system and anything like that
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14:53.52pldiemjust an additional drive without much purpose
14:54.15pldiembut I even tried to unplug it, to be sure
14:54.25pldiembut nothing changed
14:54.41pldiemso yes, drives are visible in Information tab
14:54.52protectionfaultthanks
14:55.05protectionfaultcan you tell me which drives show up when you put it in legacy mode?
14:55.12protectionfaultboth of them, or just one?
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14:55.42protectionfaultor do you wish to keep it in uefi mode, because that is what it said before?
14:56.00protectionfaultor because you somehow feel that putting it is in legacy mode made it disappear in the first place?
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14:57.30pldiemnow I can see both drives in Legacy Support mode
14:57.45pldiembut system won't run from it
14:58.07pldiemI am put in grub secure command line or something like that
14:58.52protectionfaultIt is valuable diagnostic information if your bios can see both drives in legacy mode. I think I can't offer you more than that now, as I have other things to tend to. I hope I have been of some help, all the best!
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14:59.12pldiemgrub rescue
14:59.22pldiemthat's what I can see now
14:59.51pldiemsure, thank you for your help
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15:03.42protectionfaultpldiem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/696999/unable-to-install-grub-in-dev-nvme (it might be helpful)
15:04.13protectionfaultnot your problem, but useful and relevant info
15:04.39dooglushttps://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium shows that CVE-2019-5786 is fixed for stable and sid, but not for testing. is there some way I can get a fix for testing?
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15:06.12pldiemthanks
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15:06.42pldiemprotectionfault: maybe I need to do something in secure grub command line
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15:09.53LikWidChzMorning, I have this qnap I put debian on with minimial shit due to a weird hardware failure, it has this lcd screen connected up to the motherboard and it appears that it is connected to /dev/ttyS01. I try and echo 1234 >> /dev/ttyS01 and nothing appears on the screen.. are there any ideas from you guys on what else I could try?? long shot I know.
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15:13.03protectionfaultPerhaps it displays only error codes?
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15:14.44LikWidChzwell, good idea, theory? but I'm not so sure. When the thing was working there were buttons on the side and you would navigate through a menu, showing ip, harddrive smartcontrol things like temp and whatever else... I have to guess that there was something running in the background. I can get the orignal firmware img but I wouldnt know where to go with it.
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15:16.23LikWidChzthe qnap motherboard is super weird. Bios is shitty, it boots from usb, but it wont boot from serial, the onboard IDE which is a mini laptop ide is toast.
15:16.47protectionfaultPerhaps try to cat something through less with line numbers, so you can see if it displays other lines than the first two
15:16.50LikWidChzso I install debian on a usb harddrive which is actually a sata drive in a usb bay.
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15:17.18LikWidChzi tried to "cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/ttyS01"
15:17.29LikWidChzthen I had the idea, maybe it only works at a specific baud?
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15:18.52protectionfaultsomething is writing to that tty already, perhaps you can show it's output on another tty to get a clue
15:19.28LikWidChzoh, well nothing is writing to it due to the fact that I have a different distro on it and it has no idea that thing is connected.
15:19.55protectionfaultit's difficult to say something helpful here, but it's interesting to see if you can replace the disk and os to recycle the hardware, I'm all for that.
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15:20.22LikWidChzyeah, well thank you. I know its a loaded question
15:20.39protectionfaultno that is something different
15:20.41protectionfault:)
15:21.21protectionfaultperhaps look up the model name for the display (screw open the case and check manufacture details, google that)
15:21.44LikWidChzsure sure, yeah its weird though, the screen displays BOOTING >>>>>> then the arrows incriment and it starts over, but right when you cat something to that TTY the screen blanks.. its just that "feel good" to let the user know shits happening.
15:21.56protectionfaultI mean search for it online, with one of the many excellent engines out there :)
15:22.01LikWidChzits not just a serial port display screen. it has extra fluff on it.
15:22.11protectionfaultextra fluff is always nice
15:22.28LikWidChzyeah I mean I was able to tell which tty its connected too so that was helpful.
15:22.43protectionfaultprobably the buttons are a hid
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15:23.48LikWidChzwell the screen connects to the motherboard with 4 wires
15:23.53LikWidChzand two are for power ..
15:24.03LikWidChzmy guess is its serial all the way
15:24.26LikWidChzhow do you echo whats comming from a serial port to the terminal?
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15:26.22xormorlet me out of this closet, they are forcing me to IRC and make HTML Pages here!!! X-D
15:26.41|GIGPorts forwarded to 15427,  sshd_config file says port 15427.  No connection remotely.  WHAT is wrong with this thing
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15:29.18protectionfaultLikWidChz, check out "cu"
15:29.51LikWidChzI'll see you. lol
15:29.53LikWidChzokay.
15:30.21elderekoive been struggling with an issue for a week, trying to do a clean install of debian 9.8 ontop of mdraid + lvm... always get "disk lvmid/xxx not found" in grub
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15:35.46protectionfaulteldereko, you mean the installation succeeds, and grub halts with this error on first boot?
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15:37.09elderekoprotectionfault, that is correct... install succeeds, installs grub, reboots, error and enters grub rescue mode
15:38.05cadburn2i still run PHP 7.0 on my home server, is this guide a good fit? https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-php-on-debian-9/
15:38.25elderekoive tried setting the root UUID manually and updating-grub, preloading lvm/mdraid modules, and same error
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15:40.40protectionfaultwhat disks does grub find, if you go in the grub resque console thing?
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15:42.20elderekoit finds (hd0) - (hd4) and (md/0) (md/1)
15:42.44protectionfaultthe hardware and the volumes that your raid is composed out of
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15:43.44elderekoit finds all the disks but only 2 of the 3 raid arrays (2x raid5 and a raid1)
15:43.49protectionfaultI'm afraid I'm out of my depth here, eldereko
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15:44.32elderekono worries protectionfault, thanks for trying... forums havent been helpful so far either
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15:45.05protectionfaultwhich set is missing? the one you installed debian on?
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15:45.50protectionfaultis the raid 1 a raid1 of 2 raid5 arrays?
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15:47.27elderekono, i have 4 physical disk partitioned to created 3 raid arrays, then an lvm vg to tie them together and then installed debian on the lvm
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15:48.26protectionfaultit seems unintuitive to me to create 3 raid arrays on 4 disks
15:48.37protectionfaultperhaps your config requires it
15:49.12elderekothey are different size disks so i created 3 arrays to get the most space... ive done this successfully on other systems without issues, its how synology does their "hybrid" raid
15:49.50protectionfaulthow does synology solve the problem that the bootloader is a level deeper?
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15:50.25elderekowhat do you mean a level deeper?
15:50.50LikWidChzeldereko, I wondered the same thing, someone mentioned BTRFS filesystem it might use that.. drobos do some other weird shit
15:51.09LikWidChzit does raid at a block level vs a disk level
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15:51.42LikWidChz... redundancy at a block level vs a disk level... take what I said with a bag of salt, im less than 24 hours into knowing btrfs was even a thing :)
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15:51.53protectionfaultcould you be more loose than uuid?
15:52.01protectionfaultperhaps that is why it can't find it
15:52.06elderekoright, you create the raid in partitions instead of full disks, so your partitions are the size of the smallest disk
15:52.22LikWidChzno not on BTRFS, on ZFS that seems to be the case
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15:53.20elderekothey use btrfs but not in raid mode as its still very expirimental... the raid is all done via mdadm
15:54.44elderekobut debian should be able to boot from lvm on mdraid
15:54.51LikWidChzi thought btrfs was already using some form of redundancy based on the file system itself.
15:55.17LikWidChzhonestly i always try and keep my boot bullshit on a single disk to avoid any crappy situations.
15:56.16elderekoit does have redundancy built in using metadata mirroring and snapshotting, similar to zfs... but on the fs level not disk redundancy
15:57.07protectionfaultCan it handle the biggest disk breaking?
15:58.16elderekobtrfs alone, no... bc its not a raid array, it handles a disk break same as ext4/etc
15:58.49elderekothats why you put it on top of mdraid -> lvm -> btrfs
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15:59.02protectionfaultcan you link me a doc on how to setup a "synology" like set like that?
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16:00.21elderekohttps://serverfault.com/questions/272776/how-to-do-the-equivalent-of-synology-hybrid-raid-on-linux-myself
16:00.25elderekohttps://superuser.com/questions/1365720/how-does-synology-hybrid-raid-work
16:00.42protectionfaultty
16:02.14elderekoits actually pretty interesting... and i have another debian box running it successfully without any issues, which is why im not sure why im having such an issue this time
16:02.34elderekoonly difference is im using gpt as this system has larger disks >2tb
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16:04.04elderekoalso, ubuntu does the same thing
16:06.06icedteais there a friendlier luks password prompt on boot for testing?
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16:37.31jimhi... how can I find out if lilypond has a full set of offline docs? (lilypond.org is returning "internal server error", but was working yesterday
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16:48.04jimthat's interesting... lilypond{,-doc} is in wheezy, jessie, buster and sid... and in stretch-backports, but not in stretch
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16:49.53jim!why is lilypond not in stretch
16:49.54dpkgI think you lost me on that one, jim
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16:50.35jim,why lilypond not in stretch
16:50.36juddNo package named 'lilypond' was found in stretch/amd64.
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16:52.32Ede|Popedep.d.o. search does not return *any* results
16:53.35Ede|Popedeoh yeah, stable is preselected
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16:54.17jelly,v lilypond
16:54.18juddPackage: lilypond on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.14.2-4; jessie: 2.18.2-4; stretch-backports: 2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13~bpo9+1; buster: 2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13; sid: 2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13; experimental: 2.19.82-1~exp1
16:54.30jimanyway, I'll install the backports, that would solve the immediate problem
16:54.33jellywhat was your question again?
16:54.49jimjelly, hi. why not stretch?
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16:55.20jellyno idea, but usually thisd means the package was too buggy at time that release was frozen
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16:56.36jellyunfixed bugs with release-critical priorities get dropped from testing
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17:01.25untakenstupidnicis there some program that eases making deb packages or it should be done bare-handed?
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17:04.25rantuntakenstupidnic: there are lots, depending on the needs
17:05.02rantuntakenstupidnic: if you just want to package something for your own personal use, checkinstall might suffice
17:05.14jimjelly, oh, ok, and that won't stop it from getting into sid, stable+1, etc
17:05.53untakenstupidnicI have a few executables with a single dependecy.
17:06.39jellyjim: it doesn't get removed from sid, but as long as there are RC bugs it won't be present in a release
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17:08.21f3r70rr35fIs there a way to make phpmyadmin to point to php7.0 instead of php7.3 on testing?
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17:08.51rantuntakenstupidnic: http://www.king-foo.com/2011/11/creating-debianubuntu-deb-packages/  simplest example for a very simple kind of package
17:09.07f3r70rr35fi'm having an issue with phpmyhadmin using php7.3 and failing beause it needs php-mbstring, which only is available on php7.0
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17:09.55raidensnakeDoes anyone know how to install and configure an embedded sum connection?
17:10.05raidensnakeSim*
17:10.20jellyf3r70rr35f: check for bug reports in package for phpmyadmin and report a new one if it has undeclared dependencies
17:10.26jelly!debian-next
17:10.27dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
17:10.30jellyf3r70rr35f: ^
17:10.42jellyask there about testing
17:11.01f3r70rr35fty
17:11.03f3r70rr35fi
17:11.09f3r70rr35fi'll check there
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17:14.50raidensnakeAll I knot is it uses a gemalto semi firmware
17:15.01raidensnakeEsim
17:15.19raidensnakeSorry stupid autocorrect.
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17:40.22velixI'm doing some stuff with tar. Are /usr/local/libexec/ and /usr/local/sbin/ valid paths in Debian?
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17:41.01velixOr is it /usr/lib/ because of FHS?
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17:41.22velixor /usr/local/lib?
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17:44.27CrazyTuxdoes lxqt have all the features and functionalities that xfce has?
17:44.55ayekatvelix: well, /usr/local/sbin exists, but not sure what /usr/local/libexec is for
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17:45.19ayekatvelix: also, /usr/local is generally for software installed by the local system administrator (i.e. not by a distribution package)
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17:45.47velixayekat: I think, I will follow https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard
17:45.48ayekatand the FHS defines both /usr/local/lib and /usr/lib
17:46.34erle-velix, your "make install" should not write to /usr/lib
17:46.41ayekatvelix: yeah, see also hier(7) and file-hierarchy(7)
17:47.33ayekatvelix: but you mentioned tar - what is it you're doing with it?
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17:53.23velixayekat: STOW! sorry. Not tar :D
17:53.25velixstoowwww
17:53.25ripdiskDoomPatrol: /part
17:53.27ripdiskwtrf
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17:54.08ayekatvelix: ah - makes more sense ^^
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17:55.50jelly!stow
17:55.51dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy.  It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>.  http://www.gnu.org/software/stow .  See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>, <checkinstall>.
17:55.56jellyoh that thing.
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18:04.08velixActually, one of the applications I'm using is coming from Redhat. So stow doesn't help me to solve the "which program does that file belong to" game
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18:06.44velix!usrlocal
18:06.44dpkgWhen hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it.  For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage.  Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them.  See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb>
18:06.52velixDo you see the dpkg messages?
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18:12.15velixHmm... "run" is missing in https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard
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18:14.42rwpvelix, /run is a recent invention.
18:14.57velixrwp: this is my friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
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18:15.23rwpFriends are good! :-)
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18:22.37ayekathmm... never heard or read of /usr/local/{packagename} - what's the point of /usr/local/{bin,share,include,lib,...} then?
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18:23.13ayekatdon't the "bundled" applications traditionally rather go into /opt/{software}?
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18:24.44ayekatalso, that factoid kinda conflates the concept of creating a per-package directory under /usr/local with not conflicting with what apt installs (which shouldn't touch stuff in /usr/local anyway), no?
18:24.48ayekatis confused
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18:25.59rwpI disagree with the bot factoid that it the best practice.  Only when using 'stow' and then it is under the /usr/local/stow/PKGNAME directory.
18:26.45rwpSince Debian Policy does not allow packages to install into /usr/local there is no possibility for collision of files with a Debian package there.
18:27.34rwpHowever 'stow' is really, really useful.  Therefore I do recommend installing in /usr/local/stow/PKGNAME-version and then using stow to link it into /usr/local/bin/NAME and so forth.
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18:28.32rwpBut if not using 'stow' then generally people install into /usr/local/bin directly.  Management of files there is completely by the local admin.
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18:38.57cadburn2<PROTECTED>
18:39.04cadburn2https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-php-7-3-on-debian-9-debian-8/
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18:40.01rwp!next
18:40.01dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building.
18:40.09rwp!debian-next
18:40.10dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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18:45.54SerajewelKScadburn2: what do you want to upgrade?  debian?  php?
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18:46.00SerajewelKScadburn2: is there a particular reason you want to upgrade?
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18:47.22SerajewelKS!sns
18:47.22dpkgShiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released.  If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
18:48.19jellycadburn2: deb.sury.org is probably the safest option to get a newer php version, within the constraints you mentioned
18:49.08karlpinc(Easiest is to wait until buster becomes stable.)
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18:51.01jellyyes, waiting long enough will solve all the computing problems, or render them obsolete
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18:58.22cadburn2just php, nextcloud complains about the php version, atm i do not use features that would use newer versions
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19:00.13jellythen waiting until debian 10 might be an option
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19:11.39rwpYesterday I upgraded a desktop from Stretch to Buster Testing. Buster itself seems in a good shape but the upgrade from one to the other broken in about five different ways that needed manual hand holding to get it through the upgrade.
19:13.28blackflowrwp: sounds like bug report time and some consultation at #debian-next at OFTC :)
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19:19.09Deihmosduring installation there is an option to choose firmware but what happens if you select none?
19:19.28DeihmosThere is no way to manually install a firmware. when installation is complete you would't be able to boot
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19:22.45Deihmos*kernel
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19:25.22jellyDeihmos: if you select none, you get an installation without non-free firmware
19:26.07Deihmosi meant kernel. there is a selection of kernel images. if you select none you can't boot so how are you supposed to install a kernel?
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19:27.07jellyDeihmos: I'm not sure if that's possible.  If it is, presumably the user that chooses to install no kernel will deal with that on their own.
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19:28.27jellythe user might provide a custom kernel of their own.  Or might boot a different linux, mount and chroot into debian and install a linux-image-* package then
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19:29.20DeihmosI have a custom kernel. Is it possible to add it to the install?
19:29.34jellymaybe the user has a linux host and this debian installation is just a container.  Lots of possibilities.
19:29.52jelly!custom d-i
19:29.53dpkgTo create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD .  See also <blend>.
19:30.12jellyDeihmos: how many systems are you planning to install?
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19:30.28jellyinfo deihmos
19:30.43jellyhmph!
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19:31.42jellyhas not tried any of the customization steps linked above
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19:31.57DeihmosI’ll just install the kernel manually after install. That’s what I did in the past.
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19:33.52jellyif you already knew the answer to your question, perhaps the question was suboptimal.
19:34.26DeihmosI was wondering if I could skip that step since the installer has an a
19:34.38Deihmosoption for none
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19:35.04DeihmosThought maybe it would take me to a terminal to manually install it.
19:35.24jellyyou can always get to a terminal on Alt-F3 console
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19:35.47jellyor was it Alt-F2
19:35.55DeihmosDuring install?
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19:36.43jellyyes, inside d-i
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20:18.16cadburn2i did update PHP but the installer gave me this: it says not enabling PHP 7.3 FPM by default to enable: NOTICE: a2enmod proxy_fcgi setenvif NOTICE: a2enconf php7.3-fpm
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20:20.32jmcnaughtare you using php-fpm?
20:21.11cadburn2proably need it for nextcloud donno :P
20:21.20cadburn2i did install it though
20:21.25jmcnaughtcadburn2: you probably want to review your apache2 configuration before you change things in it
20:22.42cadburn2i assume apache2.conf?
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20:24.54jmcnaughtstart by looking in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled, /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, all of the files in those directories are included by apache2.conf (by default)
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20:26.12jmcnaughthow did you install nextcloud, from a package or from a tarball?
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20:28.31jmcnaughtphp-fpm is one way of connecting php to the webserver, but there's also mod_php which you might also have used, looking in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ should tell you which modules you have enabled (make a pastebin if you want others to check it out)
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20:30.13cadburn2php7.0.conf and php7.0.load are still in mods-enabled
20:30.21pikarodoes apt 1.4.9 support http/2?
20:30.34pikaro(or do later versions, out of interest)
20:31.51jmcnaughtcadburn2: that's mod_php. so you probably want to disable php7.0 and enable php7.3 using the a2enmod and a2dismod commands, assuming that the third-party php7.3 packages you installed work like the Debian ones do
20:32.19cadburn2how do i use the a2enmod and a2dismod commands?
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20:33.47jmcnaughtcadburn2: you should probably start by reading /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz which explains how Debian organizes apache configuration. a2enmod/a2dismod also have man pages
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20:49.13pikaroor, alternatively, what backend does it use? I'm getting 400 errors from a repo that only supports http/2 on stable when using apt and openssl just implodes; curl and wget work fine. on sid, all of them work - I'd just like to confirm that that's the problem.
20:50.44rwp!debian-next
20:50.44dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
20:50.55pikarohow is that debian-next?!
20:51.11pikaroit's not working on stable
20:51.29pikaroI mentioned sid as a comparison point for bisection >.<
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22:37.58HelloShittyHello
22:38.26HelloShittyIsn't there a folder in Debian where is kept a list of packages there are (or were) installed in our system? Where is that folder?
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22:40.23petn-randallHelloShitty: /var/log/apt/history.log lists that info, I guess.
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22:48.38rantHelloShitty: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i
22:49.45rantHelloShitty: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | awk '{print $2}'
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22:50.13rantHelloShitty: the 2nd one will show only the package names not the status, version, description
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22:50.44rantHelloShitty: redirect to a file if you like > package.list
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22:55.33Someone_ElseI defined a ip6tables rule.v6 file and enabled it at boot, but it doesn't work
22:55.56Someone_ElseI tried the line that errors: ip6tables -A FORWARD -i ens3 -j USER-FILTER: ip6tables v1.6.0: Couldn't load target `USER-FILTER':No such file or directory
22:56.26Someone_Elsein the rule file, at the top, I explicitly defined the USER-FILTER chain
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22:56.33dvsAs?
22:56.34Someone_Elseiptables, however, works fine
22:56.46HelloShittypetn-randall:
22:56.59HelloShittyIt's a folder where the .deb files installed by apt are...
22:57.07HelloShittyit's not a file with a list of packages
22:57.25HelloShittyI remember once I have deleted this folder contents and it was over 700Mb
22:57.34HelloShittyand I need to free some space up
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22:59.50petn-randallHelloShitty: Then run 'apt-get clean'.
23:05.38HelloShittypetn-randall: I already did but I wanted to check that folder for myself
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23:06.38petn-randallHelloShitty: `man apt-get` will tell you the dirs, I think.
23:06.50HelloShittyah ok
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23:11.03Thedarkb-T60How do I change my network manager?
23:11.07Thedarkb-T60WICD is awful
23:13.09trystenThedarkb-T60: I use connmanctl on one laptop but it does give me issues
23:13.34Thedarkb-T60I'd like to use network manager, the ubuntu default
23:13.46Thedarkb-T60"Always connect to this network" is meaningless to wicd.
23:13.59a0zi use network-manager fine on my machines
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23:14.16trystenSure. That's the same issue I have and probably not the fault of WICD, but rather your wireless driver
23:14.20trystenJust guessing though
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23:15.18Thedarkb-T60my driver does have issues.
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23:20.36CosmophileQuick question!
23:21.26dvstime's up!
23:21.39CosmophileI want to use Debian Testing. Should my /etc/apt/sources.list be set to 'testing' or 'buster', which will work, what's the difference?
23:22.28CosmophileI know buster is the name for the upcoming Debian release. I just need to know if making my sources.list for "testing" or "buster" will do the same thing.
23:22.35kskbuster will make you stick to buster, testing is going to change to the new testing release, after buster is going to be stable.
23:22.53dvsCosmophile, if you set it to testing, it will always be on testing but you'll be upgraded out of the blue when new releases are released.
23:24.23CosmophileOk. Thanks for the information, I want it set to testing then.
23:24.29karlpincCosmophile: If you are not installing buster you may need to follow some instructions (the release notes) to upgrade successfully from stretch.
23:24.58CosmophileI installed buster from a USB and manually changed my sources.list to 'testing'
23:25.12Cosmophilewhich I assume is a valid way of switching to testing.
23:25.28karlpincCosmophile: At the moment the are the same, so yes.
23:26.09CosmophileThanks!
23:26.12karlpincCosmophile: You might want to tell us why you want to track testing.  For some this is a good idea, for others not so much.
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23:29.51CosmophileI like having the latest software, bleeding edge.
23:30.03CosmophileI've been an arch user for quite a while.
23:30.29CosmophileI realize that Testing is not bleeding edge
23:31.25karlpincCosmophile: Testing goes through predictable periods of more instability than normal.  For example after unfreezing after a new release.  Get help on #debian-next.
23:31.28karlpinc!debian-next
23:31.28dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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23:33.26Cosmophilekarlpinc: so, you're saying for stability, it might be better to set my sources.list to buster (rather than testing) and then upgrade manually when the next release comes out?
23:33.38JordiGHUnder what conditions does `crontab -e` run select-editor?
23:33.53CosmophileI'll check out that channel.
23:33.54dvsCosmophile, absolutely
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23:35.14JordiGHSigh, i guess I'll try to puzzle this out on my own.
23:35.36karlpincJordiGH: I'd expect crontab -e to run whatever editor is set by update-alternatives, unless you set the EDITOR env var, or possibly do other things to tell crontab to use a different editor.  (man crontab   :)
23:35.38CosmophileThank you all, this information has been very helpful!
23:35.43JordiGHAw, crap, crontab is a binary.
23:36.09JordiGHkarlpinc: That's what it seems to do, but I assume there's a situation in which no editor has been set yet? How do I get to that situation?
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23:37.28karlpincJordiGH: I'm pretty sure some editor is installed on a minimal debian install.  You could probably install with _only_ "required" packages and maybe not get an editor.  My recollection is that nano shows up as the default, but that might not be right.
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23:38.03JordiGHkarlpinc: I think `crontab -e` runs select-editor sometimes, and I think I've seen that, but I'm trying to determine when.
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23:38.13JordiGHIt won't run it if you've already selected an editor.
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23:39.27karlpincJordiGH: Then read the update-alternatives docs and figure out how to undo any selection.  This might not be a crontab question, but instead pertain to update-alternatives itself and whether anything has been chosen yet or not.
23:39.44JordiGHkarlpinc: No, it's definitely a crontab question.
23:39.54JordiGHI know about alternatives and how to change them.
23:40.03JordiGHMy question is, wtf is crontab -e doing.
23:40.13JordiGHI have an empty EDITOR and VISUAL.
23:40.23karlpincJordiGH: The man page says it runs /usr/bin/editor, when EDITOR and VISUAL are both empty.
23:40.25JordiGHAnd I'm pretty sure I've seen crontab -e run select-editor at some point.
23:40.53JordiGHIs there a way to make /usr/bin/editor select-editor itself?
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23:41.24karlpincJordiGH: I bet that /usr/bin/editor runs sensible-editor, which is set to run select-editor when nothing has yet been selected.  Which is all about the update-alternatives system.  Which is why I suggest looking there for answers.  But that's a guess on my part.
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