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| 00:26.51 | mrig | Hello again, I have reinstalled, after a little more investigation noticed that it is after the latest firefox update that my previously discussed usb sound card issue occurs. After which I can no longer unplug then plugin the audio whilst firefox is open, less hassle that logging out and then back in again, which is what I thought was previously required, |
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| 00:59.22 | A|an | After invoking systemd-suspend.service, does the system wake up with a mouse/keyboard action? |
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| 01:03.39 | awal1 | A|an, system wake up for me pressing Esc but it doesn't react to mouse |
| 01:04.01 | awal1 | not sure if that is systemd really related or bios |
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| 01:04.36 | awal1 | maybe something you can find checking systemd logind stuff |
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| 01:07.27 | awal1 | nothing in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 01:07.43 | awal1 | i think it is bios related |
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| 01:10.12 | A|an | thanks |
| 01:10.42 | awal1 | well, i am not sure about all that, A|an |
| 01:10.54 | awal1 | it is just my opinion |
| 01:11.18 | awal1 | there is maybe a systemd dedicated channel |
| 01:11.25 | awal1 | dpkg: systemd |
| 01:11.25 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
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| 01:11.46 | A|an | I think I'm going to have to install a package of some sort...it's available in ubuntu from installation |
| 01:11.48 | awal1 | you have it #systemd |
| 01:12.06 | awal1 | ubuntu stuff in debian? |
| 01:12.12 | awal1 | ppa you mean? |
| 01:12.26 | A|an | no...I have a laptop installed with ubuntue-mate |
| 01:12.39 | A|an | suspend is a shutdown option |
| 01:12.47 | awal1 | what do you want to achieve exactly? |
| 01:12.56 | A|an | for whatever reason I don't have it available in strectch |
| 01:13.12 | awal1 | what is your goal? |
| 01:13.23 | A|an | I want to, instead of leave my machine on, put in suspend |
| 01:13.37 | A|an | low-power state |
| 01:13.45 | awal1 | what desktop you use? |
| 01:13.55 | A|an | gnome |
| 01:13.58 | awal1 | gnome? |
| 01:14.01 | A|an | yes |
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| 01:14.12 | awal1 | ok, so just go to gnome settings and configure that |
| 01:14.30 | awal1 | somewhere in system settings |
| 01:14.32 | A|an | i looked and didn't see it availble...i'll look again |
| 01:14.51 | awal1 | if not there try installing gnome-tweak-tool pkg |
| 01:15.00 | awal1 | maybe it is hadled from there |
| 01:15.07 | A|an | "automatic suspend" |
| 01:15.09 | A|an | hmmm |
| 01:15.13 | awal1 | i don't use gnome now, so not sure |
| 01:15.20 | A|an | what do you use? |
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| 01:15.28 | violentE | after installing vmware (and in the end uninstalling) I show /dev/zram0 ... /dev/zram7 showing up in fdisk -l. I tried to do swapoff /dev/zram0 and so forth with no luck of getting rid of them. Anyone know how I can remove these? |
| 01:15.34 | awal1 | openbox/fvwm |
| 01:15.38 | A|an | ic |
| 01:16.19 | A|an | i've used gnome forever, is the only reason I'm using it |
| 01:16.33 | A|an | lame reason, i guess |
| 01:16.35 | awal1 | check gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 01:16.47 | A|an | anyway, let me see what "automatic" about suspend |
| 01:17.57 | awal1 | https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend#In_Gnome |
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| 01:18.05 | awal1 | gnome now is so stupid |
| 01:18.10 | A|an | yeah |
| 01:18.17 | A|an | i'm using classic |
| 01:18.24 | A|an | like classic coke |
| 01:18.26 | A|an | lol |
| 01:18.46 | A|an | it is really lame |
| 01:18.48 | awal1 | they try to make it easier and light but with that it lakes so many features and one have to ad and add and add extensions |
| 01:18.58 | A|an | they've dorked it up |
| 01:19.13 | awal1 | all that = more heavy/buggy |
| 01:20.06 | awal1 | last time i tried gnome it took me like 15 minutes to find screen blanking /energy stuff |
| 01:20.21 | awal1 | in system setting ^ |
| 01:20.30 | A|an | I see now what the story is...press the power button and it goes into suspend, hold it down and it kills power |
| 01:21.09 | A|an | This was never an issue with me, but I've decided to start being more power saving |
| 01:21.12 | awal1 | well, hold it down have always been poweroff, even in other systems |
| 01:21.53 | A|an | yeah, but single press puts it in suspend...it's not available as a menu shutdown option |
| 01:22.21 | A|an | well, mystery (such as it was) solved |
| 01:22.38 | awal1 | press power button you can configure what it does in logind.conf maybe or in gnome power settings |
| 01:22.49 | A|an | I'm going to go desktop shopping though...I *am* sick of gnome, really |
| 01:22.57 | awal1 | i use xfce4-power-manager here |
| 01:23.15 | awal1 | i have set press power button to no do nothing |
| 01:23.20 | A|an | ah! xfce is my backup desktop |
| 01:23.48 | awal1 | x-p-manager is compatible with all DE/WM |
| 01:23.59 | A|an | i was trying to remember what it was. |
| 01:24.16 | A|an | it's a small footprint desktop |
| 01:24.31 | awal1 | i thought a hugue mosquito may sit in the power button and may cause data loss :P |
| 01:24.38 | A|an | :) |
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| 01:25.02 | A|an | nobody wants problems:) |
| 01:25.08 | awal1 | :D |
| 01:25.38 | awal1 | well, you can just create a shortcut |
| 01:26.18 | awal1 | in my openbox i cam systemctl suspend via keyboard using shift-ctrl-alt-s |
| 01:26.32 | A|an | I'll take a look at openbox |
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| 01:27.00 | awal1 | openbox is just one of many window managers available out there... |
| 01:27.23 | awal1 | it is my preferred |
| 01:27.38 | awal1 | well, dinner time here |
| 01:27.44 | awal1 | gluck |
| 01:27.49 | A|an | take care |
| 01:28.03 | A|an | thanks for the insight |
| 01:28.08 | A|an | :) |
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| 02:38.57 | Deihmos | what is used to read root mail on debian server? is it exim4? |
| 02:39.31 | Deihmos | is mutt and exim4 the same kind of program |
| 02:39.43 | ksk | no and no. |
| 02:39.51 | ksk | to read mail, you would invoke the "mail" utility |
| 02:40.03 | Deihmos | there is no mail utility installed by default |
| 02:40.18 | ksk | What are you trying to do? |
| 02:40.33 | Deihmos | read mail from unattended updates |
| 02:41.40 | ksk | take a look at the package mailutils. |
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| 02:42.17 | ksk | you might alternativly look into installing an MTA (like exim4) and make it "send mail only" setp (dpkg does ask that, iirc) |
| 02:42.31 | ksk | and then alias root to some email account of yours - to get the changes via "real mail" |
| 02:43.02 | ksk | if you just want to read them locally, install mailutils, it brings a "mail" utility. |
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| 02:45.04 | Deihmos | exim4 and mailutils can do the same thing? |
| 02:45.22 | ksk | no |
| 02:45.42 | Deihmos | can they both do just local mail |
| 02:46.11 | Deihmos | i guess most people have them configured for external mail. i wouldn't need that |
| 02:46.28 | ksk | like I said, for local usage go with the mailutils package. |
| 02:46.37 | Deihmos | actually all i need is to occasionally see what what was auto updated |
| 02:46.59 | Deihmos | ok |
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| 03:18.18 | daniel-s | Is someone able to explain this line from apt-get update on buster? It is the longest part (by time) of the update. |
| 03:18.20 | daniel-s | Get:68 http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian buster/main DEP-11 128x128 Icons [12.7 MB] |
| 03:18.35 | daniel-s | Why are icons being updated from apt? |
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| 03:24.11 | jcb2016 | daniel-s: there is a debian-next channel on oftc server they might be able to help |
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| 03:24.52 | jcb2016 | Debian-next is buster |
| 03:25.23 | daniel-s | OK, thanks |
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| 03:31.38 | awal1 | daniel-s, https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream |
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| 03:34.42 | awal1 | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/480912/omitting-icon-files-from-downloading-updates-of-debian-9-5-amd64-package-lists/480947 https://askubuntu.com/questions/823329/how-do-i-disable-fetching-of-dep-11-files a bit of ideas for you daniel-s |
| 03:34.59 | kreyren | jelly: > kreyren: what's aptfu? an alias? ... yes for full system update |
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| 03:35.47 | kreyren | blackflow: > yes, it's managed by package and updates on postinst hooks. if you want to modify your grub.cfg you'd have to do it differently, through proper grub configuration. ... i want apt to ignore my grub.cfg ideally since i'm using one /boot for multiple OSs |
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| 03:47.57 | outoftime | Who can run executable for debian stretch https://github.com/koutoftimer/sqrc/issues/1#issuecomment-471845497 ? |
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| 03:51.22 | Unit193 | fling: Finally got around to packaging lariza, short of it: Xombrero opens faster still and is a bit nicer. I'm not sure yet if lariza/webkit2 support user scripts but the manpage said nothing about them at least. The keybinds out of the box are non-standard, but at least it has them. For tabbed browsing, it uses the suckless tool 'tabbed', so has a i3wm feel to it. So pretty much, it's a webkit2 |
| 03:51.22 | Unit193 | browser that supports aliases, it's pretty quick to open but most certainly missing some configuration options, features, and polish. |
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| 03:53.49 | fling | Unit193: thanks! |
| 03:54.13 | fling | Unit193: are you also using xombrero? |
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| 03:54.25 | Unit193 | fling: For some things, yeah. |
| 03:54.47 | fling | Unit193: which distro are you using it on? Have a deb? |
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| 03:55.54 | Unit193 | fling: Would 'it' be lariza or xombrero here? Lariza would be a replacement for xombrero, not my default browser (though, it's a bit short of xombrero's featureset and configurability.) |
| 03:56.08 | Unit193 | xombrero was at one time packaged in Debian. |
| 03:56.51 | fling | Unit193: I have my own xombrero ebuilds for gentoo but I found no amd64 debian packages. |
| 03:57.09 | fling | Unit193: also xombrero is not patched against spectre/meltdown and probably other bad things. |
| 03:58.18 | Unit193 | As it uses webkitgtk, yes it most certainly leaves you wide open. |
| 03:58.58 | fling | Unit193: but it could be fine with js blacklisted :P |
| 03:59.57 | Unit193 | fling: Yes, js off by default and easy to toggle is one of those features lariza is lacking, same with proxy toggle support. |
| 04:01.32 | fling | Unit193: why is xombrero abandoned anyway? |
| 04:02.24 | Unit193 | fling: Because webkitgtk is abandoned and unmaintained, while webkit2gtk simply doesn't expose everything xombrero used in the API. |
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| 04:03.05 | fling | Unit193: should we patch xombrero and/or webkit2gtk? |
| 04:05.01 | Unit193 | The whole point was that xombrero wouldn't be easy to port to webkit2gtk, if it even could be. |
| 04:09.12 | Petit_Dejeuner | rant: Hey thanks for the help! Upgrading the kernel was definitely a step in the right direction. I'll see what I can do on my own my own. (If anyone from the future is following the logs. Upgrading the kernel was enough to get some firmware errors on dmesg and fixed the Vivobook trackpad and bluetooth as well. http://paste.debian.net/1072787 ) |
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| 04:19.03 | Unit193 | fling: 'surf' might be good to check out. |
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| 04:24.18 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: yes well did you also install the firmware package from backports? |
| 04:24.42 | fling | Unit193: or to adopt the xombrero like controls in firefox somehow? |
| 04:24.46 | fling | Is iceweasel dead too? |
| 04:24.53 | rant | Petit_Dejeuner: if the backports kernel and firmware didn't fix it, then you may only need newer firmware which can be downloaded from intel and placed into /lib/firmware/ |
| 04:25.31 | rant | fling: iceweasel was a stop-gap thing to deal with firefox lisc issues where they wouldnt allow distribution of modified source without modifying the name, but now they have firefox-esr |
| 04:26.12 | fling | rant: so firefox-esr is allowed to be patched but firefox is not? |
| 04:26.34 | rant | fling: firefox-esr is "official" but its a branch specifically for people or organizations that want to maintain it themselves |
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| 04:27.02 | rant | fling: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-to-firefox-extended-support-release-esr |
| 04:27.09 | fling | just wanted to ask for a link :P |
| 04:27.46 | fling | rant: in gentoo I only see firefox package which allows to modify it drastically with use flags. |
| 04:28.12 | rant | fling: yes well thats probably because gentoo is not a binary distro.. its distributed as source |
| 04:28.19 | jcb2016 | Omg gentoo and use flags my worst nightmare |
| 04:28.37 | fling | jcb2016: I use it everywhere and it just works. |
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| 04:28.54 | jcb2016 | fling: you have rime for |
| 04:29.00 | jcb2016 | Time* |
| 04:29.05 | rant | fling: what is it you want exactly? are you in need of a newer firefox or something? |
| 04:29.32 | rant | because I just so happened to write something last night in regard to someone asking about a newer firefox in debian. :D |
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| 04:31.35 | rant | I haven't tested it, but I got a chuckle writing it.. http://paste.debian.net/1072788/ |
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| 04:32.12 | rant | I called it dufus, in case you're the kinda dufus who can't use one of the browsers we got :D |
| 04:32.53 | fling | jcb2016: what do you mean? |
| 04:33.25 | fling | rant: first I need to figure out what to use as a replacement for iceweasels. |
| 04:33.37 | fling | rant: second I want to be able to use xombrero like controls in browsers somehow |
| 04:33.40 | jcb2016 | fling: gentoo was a nightmare for me use flags and updating world for noobs that Distro is a nightmare |
| 04:34.20 | rant | fling: the replacement for iceweasel is firefox-esr and while I used xombrero before idk what you mean by "xombrero like controls" |
| 04:34.33 | fling | jcb2016: what happened exactly? Do you have an error message or something? It just works for most people if you follow the handbook. hmm hmmm |
| 04:35.02 | fling | rant: xombrero like is like hit ':' to type in commands etc |
| 04:35.02 | rant | this is not #gentoo the only gentoo we support here is |
| 04:35.05 | rant | ,i gentoo |
| 04:35.06 | judd | Package gentoo (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. Version: 0.20.7-1; Size: 540.0k; Installed: 1840k; Homepage: http://www.obsession.se/gentoo/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gentoo; O: #922901 |
| 04:35.11 | jcb2016 | fling: that was 6 years ago I forgot what happens |
| 04:35.30 | rant | fling: so you want your browser to work like vi ? :P |
| 04:35.45 | fling | jcb2016: /j #gentoo and we will talk about it more then :P |
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| 04:36.04 | jcb2016 | ð¬ |
| 04:36.07 | fling | rant: sorry, just trying to be friendly in all the conversations here :> |
| 04:36.19 | rant | fling: https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Vim_key_bindings_for_web_browsers |
| 04:36.28 | jcb2016 | rant: is cool |
| 04:36.28 | rant | you could also talk about it in #debian-offtopic |
| 04:37.04 | rant | fling: turns out you're far from the only one who wanted those sorts of nutty features in FF |
| 04:37.20 | fling | rant: ok so you are saying firefox package does not allow custom patches but firefox-esr allows them? |
| 04:37.39 | fling | But I'm not using vim. mostly sed haha |
| 04:38.26 | rant | fling: firefox-esr as I said before is a official branch specifically for large groups which want to maintain it themselves.. so yes.. they allow it to be seperately maintained. |
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| 04:39.22 | fling | Is there a list of patches applied by debian to firefox-esr? |
| 04:39.50 | rant | fling: the issue was that DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) was strict and so was Mozilla's lisc.. and because debian heavily patched, debanized, and modified the source, Mozilla wouldnt previously allow them to call it firefox because they didnt want to be associated with the changes and bug reports.. so as a compromise many years ago we branded our firefox "iceweasel" that is no longer required |
| 04:40.02 | rant | fling: of course, there is a list of all patches to all debian packages |
| 04:40.37 | rant | fling: https://sources.debian.org/patches/firefox-esr/60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1/ |
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| 04:42.01 | rant | fling: most patches are same as upstream fixes and such.. but debian specific stuff regarding any given package is usually found in /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.debian |
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| 04:43.22 | rant | fling: /usr/share/doc/firefox-esr/README.Debian http://paste.debian.net/1072789/ |
| 04:43.55 | rant | any time a maintainer makes debian specific changes or has something debian-specific to say, thats where you'll find it.. in /usr/share/doc/ in a README.Debian file |
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| 04:49.46 | agio | other than debianizing and say tweaking option settings (like turning telemetry off by default) firefox, why wouldn't debian just take firefox as is from mozilla? |
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| 04:50.42 | rant | debian doesn't take anything as-is .. but also most the tradition on these things is before we had volitile and such.. |
| 04:50.47 | fling | rant: I switched all the containers to buster and got firefox-esr installed, and iceweasel is a transitional package now |
| 04:51.02 | rant | for one thing we always historically backported security fixes into older versions.. now with browsers thats not always the case |
| 04:51.28 | rant | fling: yes well iceweasel has been a transitional package for a long time now |
| 04:51.36 | rant | ,v firefox-esr |
| 04:51.37 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.5.1esr-1 |
| 04:52.09 | rant | fling: as you can see both jessie and stretch had firefox-esr.. iceweasel was MANY years ago |
| 04:52.42 | rant | dpkg, what is iceweasel? |
| 04:52.42 | dpkg | Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel for historical information. Since 2016, Debian no longer applies a custom branding to Mozilla Firefox (https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600). <https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/> |
| 04:54.06 | agio | rant: there seems only one version of firefox-esr in stable, so when you say "backported security fixes into older versions" - do mean the versions in previous releases like jessie etc? |
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| 04:54.34 | rant | fling: Iceweasel was Debian 4 "Etch" (2007) thru Debian 7 "Wheezy" (2013) as of Debian 8 "Jessie" (2015) it was only a transitional package |
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| 04:55.30 | rant | agio: I'm not talking of any package specifically I'm talking about debian package policy in general.. historically once a distro freezes like buster is now, its version numbers never change again.. if security fixes are found, they're backported.. |
| 04:56.04 | rant | agio: now in recent years we have volitile or stable-updates as its called now, where highly volitile things like browsers DO get version number increases during a stable release's lifetime |
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| 04:56.56 | agio | rant: like firefox-esr getting upgraded from 52 to 60 a couple of months ago? |
| 04:58.13 | rant | agio: yes, firefox has been upgraded several times over the course of stretch and jessie's lifetime |
| 04:59.28 | agio | cool |
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| 05:10.35 | gzuh | what package contains the "deb" command? searching it is hard as all packages are .deb |
| 05:13.08 | rant | gzuh: the what now? |
| 05:13.19 | rant | ,find bin/deb |
| 05:13.21 | gzuh | actually it looks like i misread my guide |
| 05:13.22 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 05:13.38 | rant | gzuh: what guide? |
| 05:13.51 | gzuh | https://github.com/grafana/grafana/issues/12761 |
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| 05:14.06 | gzuh | https://github.com/grafana/grafana/issues/12761#issuecomment-449390538 |
| 05:14.54 | rant | gzuh: yes well they are referring to a line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:15.31 | rant | or in this case a sources.list.d/ file |
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| 05:15.54 | gzuh | yeah my bad yall |
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| 05:43.15 | well_laid_lawn | who is yall ? |
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| 07:10.59 | Haohmaru | ,v kicad |
| 07:11.01 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; jessie-backports-sloppy: 4.0.7+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; experimental: 5.1~20190127.4fc692f+dfsg1-1 |
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| 07:12.59 | Hussar | How can I use guake as an overlay in a full screen application |
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| 07:22.14 | Hussar | or not |
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| 07:54.08 | mrig | Hello |
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| 07:58.17 | mrig | When working with specific packages to develop software in C, is it best to isolate packages in user space, or to install them system wide? |
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| 07:58.44 | Iridos | muaha⦠|
| 07:58.47 | Iridos | "that depends" |
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| 09:36.00 | sk_tandt | Greetings! I have a keyboardless PC running Stretch, and I'd like to have a virtual keyboard (say, florence?) open up when text inputs receive focus: how may I achieve that? |
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| 09:36.05 | soulseeker | do you know how to enable vesa for debian |
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| 09:37.49 | sk_tandt | Not entirely certain, I'm afraid: I only knew of the Xorg driver with that name |
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| 09:39.35 | soulseeker | sk_tandt: how to activate it |
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| 09:43.25 | soulseeker | that is part of the problem |
| 09:43.40 | soulseeker | different gpus made for different drivers |
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| 09:43.48 | soulseeker | and then they switch them around |
| 09:43.57 | soulseeker | or pipe it to sancho |
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| 09:47.50 | soulseeker | how remove sancho graphics pipes |
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| 10:35.42 | onlyopen | hello |
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| 10:42.07 | onlyopen | i have a problem with boiling laptop, i pasted some information from dmesg here: https://paste.debian.net/1072813/ |
| 10:42.30 | onlyopen | any idea where to start to fix this, or report something? |
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| 10:44.29 | Lope | I've got a dedicated server running ubuntu where root is a LVM volume. I want to create another volume for debian which will be the new OS. |
| 10:44.35 | Lope | Should I debootstrap debian, or make a KVM and setup the new debian OS that way? |
| 10:44.45 | Lope | Because I'm thinking that with KVM I can get the new OS fully working before I boot it on the metal |
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| 10:45.46 | areyouloco | Lope: you could also deboostrap and chroot into the system and make it fully working as well |
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| 10:52.27 | Lope | areyouloco, yes, I suppose. but fully virtualizing it would allow me to move VM's over into it and start them up inside it etc so I can get everything working, 1 step at a time. |
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| 11:30.48 | enoch | Hi guys, I have a strange issue |
| 11:31.06 | enoch | I have an user that can login with /bin/sh but not with /bin/bash |
| 11:31.27 | enoch | and if I try to run bash I get this: "Killed" |
| 11:31.29 | enoch | any idea? |
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| 11:33.23 | no_gravity | Hello! On a lan, how does "ping machine_b" on machine_a get the ip of machine_b? |
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| 11:34.03 | blackflow | enoch: something broken in the user's ~/.bashrc or profile files sourced by bash? |
| 11:34.10 | bolt | no_gravity: DNS |
| 11:34.12 | mutante | no_gravity: it looks in /etc/nsswitch.conf _how_ it should do that |
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| 11:34.40 | enoch | blackflow: it seems to be ok |
| 11:34.51 | mutante | no_gravity: if that says DNS then DNS , if it says files then /etc/hosts |
| 11:34.52 | no_gravity | bolt: So it asks the wifi router for the IP of hostname "machine_b"? |
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| 11:35.34 | mutante | no_gravity: if it asks DNS it asks the server defined in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:35.40 | bolt | no_gravity: see mutante's answer. that's better. i missed the "lan" part. there's lots of stuff that can kick in before it tries dns. but yes, your router can know, based on dhcp hostnames. |
| 11:35.40 | no_gravity | mutante: On which line? There is a bunch of stuff. |
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| 11:36.10 | no_gravity | I am asking because "ping machine_b" pings the *wrong* ip. |
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| 11:36.17 | mutante | no_gravity: the line that starts with "hosts:" |
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| 11:37.20 | no_gravity | mutante: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns |
| 11:37.39 | no_gravity | Funny, "dig machine_b" spits out *two* IPs. |
| 11:37.44 | mutante | no_gravity: yea, so first it checks files (/etc/hosts) and after that DNS |
| 11:38.19 | JustASlacker | can be several A records. having more than one IP addresses is fine |
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| 11:39.35 | no_gravity | JustASlacker: But why does the router assign 2 IPs to one machine? |
| 11:39.38 | Greyztar | evening,anyone have a good resource for learning how to make chroot of another distro like gentoo in debian? |
| 11:39.43 | no_gravity | JustASlacker: And why does one not work? |
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| 11:40.07 | JustASlacker | well, no clue. just a random comment about dns in general |
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| 11:40.12 | mutante | no_gravity: what do you _really_ want to test? |
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| 11:40.31 | mutante | testing ICMP when you actually want to use TCP might not be that helpful |
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| 11:41.09 | mutante | f.e. it could be configured to drop ping packets |
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| 11:41.14 | no_gravity | mutante: Initially I wanted to start analyzing why I see dropped packages in ifconifg on machine_b. I did "ping machine_b" on machine_a and it said "network unreachable". Then i realized it pings the wrong IP. |
| 11:41.51 | mutante | no_gravity: check if there are any entries in /etc/hosts for that host |
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| 11:42.11 | no_gravity | mutante: I did. There are none. |
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| 11:43.11 | mutante | no_gravity: use the "dig" command together with @. for example "dig somehost @192.168.0.1" where that IP is your local gateway/router |
| 11:43.24 | mutante | is it also wrong there? |
| 11:43.37 | Bowgly | Is anyone here maintaining an offline debian system and experimented with various methods? I've tried apt-offline in the last couple of days and I think it's terrible |
| 11:43.55 | Bowgly | I would rather use dpkg directly, but that's obviously tedious in the long run |
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| 11:43.56 | no_gravity | mutante: Same output as without the @. |
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| 11:44.03 | Bowgly | might try apt-zip next |
| 11:44.18 | Bowgly | *experimented with various package maintenance methods |
| 11:44.40 | mutante | no_gravity: ok, then i would go to /etc/resolv.conf and see if the IP of that router is in there and try what happens if you remove it or replace it with 1.1.1.1 (public DNS by Cloudflare) |
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| 11:45.06 | no_gravity | mutante: Why would a public DNS know a host in my lan? |
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| 11:45.54 | mutante | no_gravity: it woudln't but then it would show if the router returns the wrong result.. without breaking DNS for you in general |
| 11:46.11 | no_gravity | mutante: I don't understand. |
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| 11:46.42 | mutante | no_gravity: then go to the router web interface and look for DNS related settings |
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| 11:49.38 | no_gravity | IRC died when I plugged in a cable. |
| 11:49.41 | no_gravity | Now I am back. |
| 11:49.52 | no_gravity | On cable now. |
| 11:51.03 | onlyopen | ok, so i'm trying to compile 5.0.1 but have following error: No rule to make target 'debian/certs/test-signing-certs.pem', needed by 'certs/x509_certificate_list' |
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| 11:51.34 | jelly | onlyopen: how exactly are you trying to compile? |
| 11:51.46 | jelly | and from which sources |
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| 11:53.13 | onlyopen | jelly: i made a copy from existing config: 4.19.0-2 and try to compile 5.0.1 from kernel.org |
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| 11:56.40 | jelly | onlyopen: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823107#10 |
| 11:56.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/823107 in src:linux (open, upstream): «local{mod,yes}config should fix references to unavailable certificates»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-04-30; last modified: 2016-09-25. |
| 11:58.00 | onlyopen | hm.. i saw it thougt it is fixed, i checked flags mention in reply, but i don't have them in my .config file... |
| 11:58.31 | jelly | hmm, they may have been renamed? |
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| 12:00.07 | jelly | compare with config from linux-image-4.19.0-2-amd64-unsigned I guess? |
| 12:00.13 | jelly | also, |
| 12:00.18 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:00.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:02.09 | onlyopen | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/1072823/ |
| 12:02.22 | onlyopen | there is flags related to keys in my config file ^ |
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| 12:03.37 | onlyopen | ok, i will try to find a way out, and probably move to debian-next |
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| 12:05.31 | no_gravity | Strange. Why does "mtr -i 0.1 machine_a" show 8% package loss. But *not* when I run "ping -i 0.2 machine_b" on machine_a? |
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| 12:07.21 | blackflow | no_gravity: ICMP throttling |
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| 12:07.37 | blackflow | ideally you shouldn't send more than one packet per second. no need for it |
| 12:07.52 | no_gravity | Just noticed that the package loss goes away when machine_a pings *anything*. It does not have to be machine_b. |
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| 12:08.28 | no_gravity | blackflow: "mtr -i 1 machine_a" shows the same package loss. |
| 12:09.02 | blackflow | no_gravity: *packet loss. where though? at the final hop or any of the intermediaries? |
| 12:09.10 | blackflow | the latter is quite normal. only the final number counts. |
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| 12:09.26 | blackflow | (only the nonzero packet loss at the final hop, counts) |
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| 12:10.05 | no_gravity | blackflow: How do I check where the package loss hapens? (Both machines are on the lan) |
| 12:10.43 | blackflow | in the very output of mtr that you ran |
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| 12:11.16 | no_gravity | blackflow: There is just one hop in the output. |
| 12:12.19 | mutante | i thought the issue was "DNS has the wrong IP for this host name", how is that related to ICMP |
| 12:12.24 | blackflow | if there are no intermediaries, ie. just the source and destination directly connected, then I don't know. perhaps use SYN based ping and observe with tcpdump. if you get SYN + SYNACK but no ACK, or no SYN at all (skipped a beat), then the sending side is borking. if you don't get SYNACK in response to SYN then the receiving side is. roughly speaking. |
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| 12:42.42 | tiny | Hi. Trying to upgrade one box from wheeze to jessie. Update/upgrade/dist-upgrade whezy. Changed source to jessie. Tried apt-get upgrade and I have a lot of packages kept back. |
| 12:42.46 | tiny | http://dpaste.com/2YY7AF2 |
| 12:42.51 | tiny | How do I resolve this? |
| 12:43.00 | kreyren | How do i get kernel source on debian? i've nuked /boot by mistake |
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| 12:43.49 | blackflow | kreyren: reinstall linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:43.56 | kreyren | ty |
| 12:44.00 | tiny | apt install linux-image-XXX |
| 12:44.06 | blackflow | kreyren: btw, your previous question, just uninstall grub, if you have something else managing grub in the shared /boot |
| 12:44.20 | kreyren | ah o.o ty |
| 12:44.43 | blackflow | kreyren: if I understood your problem correctly and you share /boot with other distros somehow and don't want the debian instance to mess with it, uninstall grub. it's not a hard dependency |
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| 12:45.31 | blackflow | kreyren: make a backup copy of /boot first, I don't recall if removing grub touches those files or not |
| 12:45.32 | kreyren | i'm making custom grub since nothing can generate it correctly if it's shared.. |
| 12:45.55 | blackflow | kreyren: then keep in mind you'll have to manually upgrade/update the bootloader from whichever instance is responsible for it |
| 12:46.25 | kreyren | any better way to manage multiboot? |
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| 12:47.24 | blackflow | kreyren: yes by having one instance do the config and management of grub. |
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| 12:47.40 | blackflow | grub has os prober by default so it should detect and confiugre all the systems properly |
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| 12:48.28 | kreyren | os-prober generates corrupted grub that doesn't work |
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| 12:48.36 | kreyren | especially when custom kernel is used |
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| 12:50.09 | blackflow | custom kernel is irrelevant here. unless you named it in a pattern that grub doesnot recognize |
| 12:50.35 | blackflow | kreyren: /etc/grub.d/10_linux lists the patterns it checks against |
| 12:50.52 | kreyren | why is it relevant? |
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| 12:51.25 | blackflow | because grub doesn't care how the kernel was configured, only where it is, so it can load it up |
| 12:51.35 | blackflow | of course, if you misconfigured the kernel then you can't boot but that's not grub's problem |
| 12:52.07 | kreyren | wait to make grub.d to generate grub.cfg or ? |
| 12:52.15 | kreyren | someone suggested it to me but i didnt investigate yet |
| 12:52.19 | blackflow | what? |
| 12:52.56 | kreyren | like to make grub records for each distro in grub.d or ? |
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| 12:54.42 | blackflow | kreyren: I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 12:55.00 | kreyren | eh? or what did you meant with grub.d ? |
| 12:55.42 | blackflow | well, /etc/grub.d/ contains scripts used by grub2 to construct /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 12:56.21 | blackflow | 10_linux contains code trying to autodetect the kernel and initramfs and there you can see the patterns it tried. if you're using a custom kernel, grub couldn't care less as long as it knows where to find the kernel. |
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| 12:56.58 | blackflow | so in conclusion, you have an XY problem there. thinking custom kernel breaks grub.cfg so you need to manually write it up, which you most like do not. |
| 12:57.07 | blackflow | *likely |
| 12:57.15 | kreyren | ah i though you meant /boot/grub.d |
| 12:57.29 | kreyren | will check |
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| 12:57.52 | kreyren | btw. reinstalled kernel and it's not present in /usr/src? |
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| 12:58.11 | kreyren | ah it installs it automatically after reinstall i see |
| 12:58.15 | blackflow | why would it. you asked in context of "nuked /boot" |
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| 12:58.41 | kreyren | i though i need to invoke `make install` in kernel source, but this is sufficient too for my usecase |
| 12:59.07 | blackflow | you probably do need to `make install` if you're building the kernel from source and aren't using any of the debian packaging. |
| 12:59.22 | xormor | otherwise 'make deb-pkg' |
| 13:00.00 | blackflow | btw, I must say... from all your questions in the past several weeks, you seem to be treating Debian as if it was Gentoo with binary packages. Don't do that. you're just causing yourself endless problems and grief. you cannot bend Debian out of shape to behave like Gentoo. Use gentoo if you want gentoo specific patterns and functionality. |
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| 13:01.03 | kreyren | well i was used to using debian sid with custom kernel so thats what is it or ? |
| 13:01.40 | blackflow | you can achieve "custom kernel" by using the regular kernel src deb and modify it as oyu like. then create a regular package that you apt install. |
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| 13:02.11 | kreyren | i know but i just needed to make it bootable again so reinstalling it is sufficient i didnt know it installs the target in /boot |
| 13:02.17 | blackflow | and don't forget initramfs |
| 13:02.21 | kreyren | eh ? |
| 13:02.22 | greycat | One does not "use" sid. One tests Debian by running it and seeing what breaks. |
| 13:02.32 | kreyren | used sid for 4 years |
| 13:02.33 | kreyren | xD |
| 13:02.48 | greycat | And how many unbootable Debian systems have you had in that time? At least one. |
| 13:03.00 | kreyren | +- everyday i liked it.. |
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| 13:03.59 | blackflow | kreyren: ideally modifying the regular debian srcdeb for kernel you can only adjust the CONFIGs and any patches but take advantage of all the functions that regular packaging performs. |
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| 13:05.02 | kreyren | noted i though that i need to take compiled kernel from /usr/src and install it from there.. didn't realize that debian ships it precompiled o.o |
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| 13:06.21 | blackflow | kreyren: not sure what you mean by that, after 4 years of using debian... all the packages are precompiled except DKMS that can't be due to licenses |
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| 13:07.07 | kreyren | noted |
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| 13:24.29 | kreyren | ty for help btw |
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| 14:22.13 | jhutchins_wk | Did the main nagios packages have a problem with their licensing or something? |
| 14:23.02 | colo-work | is there a way to convert an i386 installation into a proper amd64 installation somehow? |
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| 14:29.49 | jhutchins_wk | colo-work: It's possible, but it's clumsy and difficult and will probably not result in a system you're happy with. |
| 14:30.16 | blackflow | FullReinstall(tm) |
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| 14:35.59 | jhutchins_wk | Hmn. Looks like the Debian maintainer for nagios dropped out, and nobody picked up the ball. |
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| 14:37.25 | colo-work | jhutchins_wk, is that documented somehwere? |
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| 14:41.07 | jhutchins_wk | colo-work: There are entries on the mailing list. It looks like it wasn't maintained for about two years, and looking at the nagios site it might not be available for redistribution. |
| 14:41.14 | Church- | For publishing repos with aptly if I were to publish at say /opt/public on my local machine. Would I be able to reach that at say IP:/public? Or IP:/opt/public/ |
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| 14:41.25 | jhutchins_wk | It's still under development, but you have to register to download it. |
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| 14:41.43 | Church- | Since I plan to have several repositories living under /opt/ |
| 14:41.47 | colo-work | jhutchins_wk, I was not referring to nagios, but to the franken-upgrade :) |
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| 14:44.24 | jhutchins_wk | !crossgrade |
| 14:45.03 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: dpkg is awol. |
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| 14:45.37 | greycat | Probably taken out by the netsplit a few minutes back. |
| 14:45.45 | jhutchins_wk | colo-work: https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
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| 14:46.08 | colo-work | jhutchins_wk, thanks! |
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| 14:46.33 | jhutchins_wk | colo-work: Much better to back up your data and reinstall. |
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| 15:04.24 | trysten | where did dpkg go? |
| 15:05.11 | greycat | Taken out of the Great Netsplit of Tuesday. |
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| 15:07.25 | blackflow | we live in the age of "serverless". dpkg should redundantly reconnect from elsewhere. |
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| 15:09.23 | ksk | everywhere! |
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| 15:10.10 | trysten | I just miss dpkg so much :'c |
| 15:10.20 | buttros_ | Hello! Is netrunner os official debian derivative? |
| 15:10.28 | ksk | Did read an article the other day about some debian developer quitting and saying debian toolchain is 1990 :/ |
| 15:10.55 | ksk | buttros_: no. It might be based on debian? Until now I did not know it.. |
| 15:10.57 | ksk | !based on debian |
| 15:11.09 | ksk | eh, the bot is dead. I remember now :x |
| 15:11.10 | mawk | no bot for you |
| 15:11.15 | mawk | you're grounded |
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| 15:11.22 | blackflow | haw! |
| 15:11.29 | jelly | dpkg: welcome back |
| 15:11.30 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 15:11.31 | buttros_ | ksk: Ok thanks! |
| 15:11.34 | ksk | We support debian in here, not distros based on debian. These distros might have changed many thins, we dont know of. |
| 15:11.36 | greycat | !netrunner |
| 15:11.36 | dpkg | Netrunner is an operating system <based on Debian> Testing. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.netrunner.com/ |
| 15:12.12 | buttros_ | Ok thanks! |
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| 15:12.23 | jelly | and some thicks too |
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| 15:33.11 | soulseeker | I asked on oftc but no answer a simple question, where is the iniottab on debian 8 |
| 15:33.19 | soulseeker | inittab |
| 15:33.45 | soulseeker | jm_ hangs out in there and makes comments |
| 15:33.54 | soulseeker | mst3000 main man |
| 15:34.07 | soulseeker | shadows on the screen babbling |
| 15:35.22 | jelly | soulseeker: there isn't one if you're running with systemd |
| 15:35.42 | jelly | soulseeker: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say? |
| 15:37.13 | soulseeker | jelly yeah systemd I need the screen to autologin to root this is my main machine |
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| 15:37.32 | soulseeker | I don't use root lockout touch remotes |
| 15:37.44 | jelly | the... screen? |
| 15:37.45 | soulseeker | feel free to support my machine |
| 15:37.46 | phazon | soulseeker: which "screen"? |
| 15:37.46 | greycat | !autologin |
| 15:37.47 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) The <nodm> package is a good way of automating this. |
| 15:38.22 | soulseeker | no I use tty phazon |
| 15:38.24 | jelly | do you want to have a terminal logged in at a test virtual console? |
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| 15:38.27 | jelly | text* |
| 15:38.33 | soulseeker | getty green |
| 15:38.37 | jelly | right |
| 15:38.48 | soulseeker | youre evergreen |
| 15:38.51 | jelly | what did you use to put in inittab? |
| 15:38.57 | soulseeker | danskin in the dark |
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| 15:39.11 | soulseeker | jelly -a root |
| 15:39.12 | greycat | I hope jelly understands this guy because as near as I can tell he's on drugs and babbling. |
| 15:39.18 | jelly | please keep your lines to the tech issue at hand |
| 15:39.20 | soulseeker | at the end of the tty |
| 15:39.44 | jelly | greycat: you don't speak drunkese? |
| 15:40.25 | greycat | Apparently not. So I take it he is trying to say "Under sysvinit, I modified the tty1 getty line in /etc/inittab and added '-a root' to it." |
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| 15:40.56 | soulseeker | ususally it is in the inittab but then it was moved |
| 15:41.18 | soulseeker | moved to init folderes and now gone |
| 15:41.37 | greycat | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/getty#Automatic_login_to_virtual_console |
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| 15:42.05 | soulseeker | greycat what does it say this |
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| 15:42.24 | greycat | This tells you how to modify the getty for tty1 under systemd. |
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| 15:42.48 | soulseeker | is it running getty green |
| 15:43.00 | greycat | I do not understand what you are saying. |
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| 15:43.03 | soulseeker | what does systemd do hide everything |
| 15:43.46 | soulseeker | hey seekr can you login to my machine for a user account |
| 15:43.52 | greycat | If you prefer to change from systemd back to sysvinit, we can also tell you how to do that in Debian 9, but I don't think it's supported in Debian 8. |
| 15:43.53 | phazon | it doesnt; functionality is just in different places, and managed different ways |
| 15:44.09 | soulseeker | greycat: sure |
| 15:44.18 | soulseeker | can it be upgraded? |
| 15:44.35 | greycat | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 15:44.35 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 15:44.41 | soulseeker | I can copy the root over to another partition and upgrade |
| 15:44.51 | greycat | !stretch sysvinit |
| 15:44.51 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit in buster or sid, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
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| 15:45.15 | greycat | Learning systemd may be something you have to do eventually, though. |
| 15:45.28 | soulseeker | I used it on fedora |
| 15:45.42 | soulseeker | I need a purpose for these things |
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| 15:45.58 | soulseeker | doing something a different way for nothing doesnt appeal |
| 15:46.13 | seekr | soulseeker: Why do I need an account on your machine? |
| 15:46.25 | soulseeker | if I were making a touch remote fine |
| 15:46.39 | soulseeker | but like derRichards says I want my laptop open for me |
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| 15:47.03 | idlemind | soulseeker - i'd get it working in systemd unless you intend on using slackware going forward. pretty much everything is heading towards systemd |
| 15:47.21 | greycat | I don't know how much longer Debian will continue to (nominally) support sysvinit alongside systemd. I assume it won't last forever. |
| 15:48.20 | soulseeker | what needs to be done to upgrade to 9 |
| 15:48.33 | idlemind | like debian 8 -> 9? |
| 15:48.34 | greycat | Read what the bot said in response to "jessie->stretch" |
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| 15:49.36 | soulseeker | how about gcc 4.1 |
| 15:49.42 | soulseeker | is that a custom job |
| 15:49.49 | greycat | ,v gcc |
| 15:49.50 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; sid: 4:8.2.0-2; buster: 4:8.3.0-1 |
| 15:49.58 | greycat | gcc 4.1 is older than wheezy |
| 15:50.14 | soulseeker | yeah does it need a manuel install |
| 15:50.23 | greycat | I don't feel like trying to trawl through the archives of history to figure out how old it is or which version of Debian had it. |
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| 15:51.41 | jelly | why the f...reak would you need gcc 4.1 |
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| 15:52.14 | greycat | I'm wondering that too. Do you need "4.1 or older" or do you need "4.1 or newer"? |
| 15:52.24 | phazon | idlemind: alienBOB will likely add support for systemd to slackware eventually as well; just a matter of being a small team implementing it all |
| 15:52.42 | idlemind | phazon nice - i'm on the systemd train |
| 15:52.47 | greycat | One possible theory is that at some point, say 6-10 years ago, you needed 4.1 because it was bleeding-edge new at the time. |
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| 15:53.07 | greycat | So you had to build this shiny new gcc 4.1 from source because Debian didn't have it yet. |
| 15:53.18 | greycat | But there are other theories as well.... |
| 15:54.35 | soulseeker | unknown operation 'edit' |
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| 15:59.16 | Lope | I thought I might be able to install debian straight onto an ext4 filesystem, that is on a block device attached to my VM. But it doesn't seem possible with the installer. |
| 15:59.24 | Lope | I guess I'll need to debootstrap it. |
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| 16:00.14 | greycat | that is what debootstrap is for |
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| 16:01.44 | soulseeker | because systemd doesnt show getty stubs in the configs it is not sure if it is even using getty |
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| 16:02.22 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, how to install the build dependencies for libclang ? |
| 16:02.41 | rocketmagnet | and what is libPolly ? |
| 16:02.55 | rocketmagnet | i want to build llvm and need the dependencies |
| 16:03.48 | greycat | ,v llvm |
| 16:03.50 | judd | Package: llvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.0-14+nmu2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; stretch: 1:3.8-36; buster: 1:7.0-47; sid: 1:7.0-47 |
| 16:04.12 | greycat | ,checkbackport llvm |
| 16:04.13 | judd | Backporting package llvm in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 16:04.17 | greycat | O_o |
| 16:04.33 | greycat | That actually surprises me. |
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| 16:11.53 | rocketmagnet | i get the error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lPolly |
| 16:12.12 | jelly | wanna bet that's a tiny metapackage with a separate source, greycat |
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| 16:12.32 | jelly | rocketmagnet: doing what? |
| 16:12.46 | rocketmagnet | try to compile llvm and clang |
| 16:13.00 | rocketmagnet | cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:String=Release -DLLVM_ENABLE_PROJECTS:String="llvm,clang,lli" ../llvm |
| 16:13.02 | jelly | rocketmagnet: if it's a build error, show the whole output and look at the _first_ error that happens, not the last |
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| 16:14.25 | jelly | ,checkbackport llvm-7.0 |
| 16:14.26 | judd | No package named 'llvm-7.0' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 16:14.45 | jelly | ,checkbackport llvm-7 |
| 16:14.46 | judd | Backporting package llvm-7 in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 16:14.55 | jelly | wow, okay |
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| 16:15.16 | rocketmagnet | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/1072848/ |
| 16:16.02 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 16:16.03 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 16:17.09 | jelly | rocketmagnet: given the ll in the name, sounds like something that supposed to get built along with llvm |
| 16:17.09 | rocketmagnet | https://paste.debian.net/1072849/ |
| 16:17.56 | jelly | that's a different output, and not just because of the language |
| 16:18.20 | vlt | Hello. What is the new equivalent to "ifup eth1" on Debian 9? I added that device to a bridge but don't know how to activate it. |
| 16:18.20 | rocketmagnet | the last pastebin was not correct |
| 16:19.01 | jelly | vlt: you don't activate eth1 then, you just activate the bridge |
| 16:19.36 | jelly | vlt: what's your bridge config look like? |
| 16:20.19 | vlt | jelly: The bridge is active and has an IP address. Defined in /etc/network/interfaces with a line "bridge_ports eth0". |
| 16:20.35 | vlt | I manually added eth1: "brctl add ..." |
| 16:21.33 | jelly | vlt: if you want to bring eth1 link up manually, use ip or ifconfig, not ifup. "ip link set dev eth1 up" |
| 16:21.50 | vlt | jelly: Thank you! |
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| 16:22.33 | jelly | vlt: if you want to do it via ifupdown, bring brWhatever down with ifdown, add eth1 to bridge_ports, then ifup brWhatever |
| 16:23.08 | rocketmagnet | wherer do i find libPolly ? or search for it |
| 16:23.33 | jelly | rocketmagnet: I suspect that's part of llvm build process |
| 16:23.44 | jelly | judd: file libPolly.* |
| 16:23.48 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 16:23.49 | ksk | rocketmagnet: it does not seem to be packaged for debian as far as I can tell. |
| 16:23.52 | greycat | rocketmagnet: judd said a backport of buster source to stretch is possible. So just do that. |
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| 16:24.19 | jelly | rocketmagnet: ask in a llvm related support channel, maybe? |
| 16:24.19 | rocketmagnet | how to install a backport ? |
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| 16:24.56 | greycat | No, the question is how to MAKE a backport. |
| 16:24.58 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 16:24.58 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:25.06 | greycat | INSTALLING one would be a lot simpler, but there isn't one. |
| 16:25.12 | greycat | But judd said that MAKING one is possible. |
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| 16:28.25 | rocketmagnet | i've added backports for sid, but what package do i have to install ? |
| 16:28.28 | rocketmagnet | greycat: ^ |
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| 16:28.35 | rocketmagnet | or how to make one |
| 16:28.57 | greycat | Read the bot's instructions. |
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| 16:29.34 | rocketmagnet | i'm doing it atm |
| 16:29.35 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 16:30.00 | jelly | so nice of llvm to be reasonably self-contained |
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| 16:36.50 | rocketmagnet | thank you guys |
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| 16:51.59 | Lope | geez the netinst ISO is ULTRA barebones. It doesn't even have a terminal with bash and grub-install |
| 16:52.10 | Lope | A bit extreme in my opinion. |
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| 16:55.42 | rant | Lope: the netinst has over 50,000 packages.. when you connect to the NET to INSTALL it |
| 16:56.04 | greycat | I assume he's talking about utilizing the installer as a rescue medium. |
| 16:56.22 | greycat | It is indeed short on tools for that. |
| 16:56.29 | rant | for that you don't need bash or grub-install you chroot into the running system |
| 16:56.56 | greycat | ... because it assumes that there will BE a chroot-into-able "running" system to lean on. |
| 16:58.29 | Lope | greycat, oh, 1337, never thought of that :) |
| 16:58.29 | jhutchins_wk | rocketmagnet: Possibly releveant: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819072 |
| 16:58.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/819072 in llvm-3.8-dev (closed): «llvm-3.8-dev: LLVM CMake files broken by Debian packaging»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-03-23; last modified: 2016-09-27. |
| 16:58.58 | Lope | well, my particular use case I debootstrapped, and now I wanted to install grub |
| 16:59.00 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, I see you get pointed in the right direction. |
| 17:00.17 | rant | Lope: chroot into the system and apt-get install grub-pc or w/e |
| 17:00.39 | Lope | yeah, i didn't think of the chroot trick |
| 17:01.11 | Lope | I'm used to doing rescues on live CDs, so I downloaded a 1.8GB XFCE live ISO, lol. |
| 17:01.25 | Lope | it's okay, it's on a 100mbit connection with 2tb of unused bandwidth |
| 17:01.28 | Lope | So no biggie. |
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| 17:03.27 | greycat | !fixmbr |
| 17:03.27 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 17:03.31 | Lope | grub failed to install to the following devices: /dev/vda Writing grub to boot device failed, continue? |
| 17:03.37 | Lope | lol? how do you continue from that? |
| 17:03.55 | Lope | any idea why it can't write to my /dev/vda? |
| 17:04.15 | greycat | Did you remember to do the bind mount of /dev before? |
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| 17:04.41 | Lope | oh, i didn't chroot, i just installed grub from apt and now it's got the whole grub-install going automagically. |
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| 17:05.09 | Lope | okay, i see I was doing it wrong |
| 17:05.09 | greycat | Oh, you're still in this "Live" thing? |
| 17:05.19 | Lope | I should install grub inside the chroot |
| 17:05.29 | Lope | I've not done this in a year or 2, rusty :) |
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| 17:09.46 | Lope | Same error?? |
| 17:09.47 | Lope | Weird |
| 17:09.56 | Lope | failed to write to /dev/vda |
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| 17:18.04 | Lope | grub-install: warning: File system `ext2` doesn't support embedding. |
| 17:18.19 | Lope | Error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install. |
| 17:18.28 | Lope | I've never heard of this crap |
| 17:18.38 | Lope | I've JUST reformatted vda as ext4 |
| 17:18.41 | Lope | Not ext2 |
| 17:21.04 | Lope | oh, maybe it's because I've got ext4 on /vda and it wants a partition table DOH! |
| 17:22.29 | Lope | weeee, it worked |
| 17:22.37 | Lope | Weird freakin error, lol. |
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| 17:23.55 | Lope | aaaah, crap |
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| 17:24.02 | Lope | now it booted into a grub shell. |
| 17:24.27 | Lope | hmm, maybe I should have mounted grub at /boot or something |
| 17:24.54 | rant | this is a fine example of why you should use a partition table |
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| 17:25.21 | rant | if you had a filesystem on /dev/vda and just installed grub to /dev/vda you probably just hosed your filesystem |
| 17:25.42 | Lope | This is what I'm doing, which is a bit freaky. |
| 17:26.22 | Lope | Ah, I'll brb. But in a nutshell, vdb is formatted as ext4 with my root fs. |
| 17:26.23 | greycat | If /dev/vda (what even *is* that) is supposed to be bootable, then you MUST use a disklabel (partition table) so there's room before the first partition for the boot loader. |
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| 17:26.49 | Lope | and I've got a MBR partition table on vda, and want grub on that |
| 17:27.16 | Lope | vda is disposable, I'm running this on a VM, vdb is really an LVM volume, to later be booted on bare metal. |
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| 17:28.34 | Lope | greycat, you're 100% right. I was being dumb but corrected it. |
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| 17:29.01 | Lope | So I've got a MBR partition table. and vda1 is ext4. |
| 17:29.07 | Lope | I'm gonna see what happened now. |
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| 17:31.13 | Lope | okay, so there's a grub dir inside /boot which is currently on vdb, so I'm going to move that to vda1 |
| 17:31.19 | Lope | Going to see what's on vda1 |
| 17:31.56 | Lope | haha, vda1 is empty. |
| 17:32.35 | Lope | after debootstrapping do I have to do anything to finish the process? |
| 17:32.39 | Lope | my /etc/fstab is empty |
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| 17:35.02 | Lope | okay I've created an fstab file now with / and /boot |
| 17:35.15 | Lope | I'm going to reinstall grub for good measure. |
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| 17:36.50 | Lope | hmm, I'm looking at /boot/grub/grub.cfg but my debian install isn't int here :/ |
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| 17:38.43 | Lope | what am I missing? |
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| 17:39.11 | greycat | update-grub generates the grub.cfg by running little scripts in /etc/grub.d/ |
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| 17:41.00 | Lope | here's a rehash of my setup. KVM VM with vda and vdb. vda1 is ext4 mounted in /etc/fstab as /boot. vdb is ext4 with the root filesystem on it. I've chrooted into vdb and run `grub-install /dev/vda && update-grub` successfully. But there's no debian option in /boot/grub/grub.cfg just floppy and default crap like that. |
| 17:41.59 | greycat | A boot loader on device A that is supposed to read its menu from device B is definitely outside my experience. |
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| 17:45.23 | Lope | no, that's not the case |
| 17:45.36 | Lope | grub is on vda, and /boot is on /vda1 |
| 17:45.49 | Lope | / is on vdb |
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| 17:45.59 | greycat | But you just said your DEBIAN install is on vdb. And before that you said vda1 was empty. |
| 17:46.11 | Lope | yeah, vda1 WAS empty |
| 17:46.17 | Lope | I debootstrapped onto vdb |
| 17:46.37 | Lope | so I moved everything from /vdb's /boot into vda1 |
| 17:46.42 | Lope | then mounted vda1 as /boot |
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| 17:47.21 | Lope | so it's a relatively normalish setup, the only unusual thing is perhaps os-prober isn't looking for an ext4 formatted block device with debian on it? |
| 17:47.40 | Lope | vdb doesn't have a partition table. it's ext4 |
| 17:48.29 | greycat | I suppose you could write your own custom /etc/grub.d/ script-let-thing. |
| 17:48.29 | Lope | The reason for doing it this way, is because the underlying storage of vdb is an LVM volume, which will become my baremetal root OS |
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| 17:48.52 | Lope | But isn't grub and os-prober capable of detecting the OS? |
| 17:48.58 | Lope | I mean the os is mounted at / |
| 17:49.03 | Lope | shouldn't be that hard? |
| 17:49.04 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea. |
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| 17:49.14 | Lope | (in the chroot) |
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| 18:00.08 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've a stange problem, when the screensave goes on and i want to reactivate it and have to enter my pw - it's not recognized, i've to go to "switch user" and then login |
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| 18:12.40 | Lope | why is my debootstrapped debian missing a kernel? |
| 18:12.52 | Lope | maybe that's why grub doesn't add an entry, lol |
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| 18:19.19 | Lope | oh, I see I think I need to run debootstrap --second-stage |
| 18:19.36 | Lope | but when I try run it it says /usr/share/debootstrap/suite: no such file or directory |
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| 18:33.52 | Lope | my debootstrapped debian has no linux-image package installed |
| 18:33.59 | Lope | that's why there is no kernel, lol |
| 18:34.35 | greycat | A rather large number of debootstrap "installations" are not intended to be booted directly. |
| 18:34.53 | Lope | greycat, yeah, it's not a criticism of debootstrap |
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| 18:34.59 | Guest8751 | hey is there any way to revert the system back to a minimum package set |
| 18:35.03 | Lope | I've created containers with debootstrap before |
| 18:35.12 | greycat | Guest8751: Sure... reinstall from scratch. |
| 18:35.40 | Lope | so it seems that debootstrap has done away with needing to run --second-stage when chrooted inside the rootfs? |
| 18:35.53 | Guest8751 | greycat: yeah that can be done but there was some package in ubuntu which caused everything to be remeved |
| 18:36.13 | Guest8751 | is there something like that with debian aptitude |
| 18:36.20 | Guest8751 | say a virtual package |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | I ... I won't even ask why they felt a need to make such a thing. |
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| 18:37.02 | Guest8751 | greycat: it was not meant to be but somnebody put it there to update the code to the trash it is now I take it |
| 18:37.15 | Guest8751 | a hack in the dependency tree |
| 18:38.20 | Guest8751 | greycat: before reinstalling from scratch if theres something I can do to remove most everything and then do a debian9 upgrade for system V |
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| 18:38.49 | n4dir | you could remove xorg, and hopefully by that will get rid of most gui stuff. |
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| 18:39.12 | n4dir | but in general: no, there is no clean way to do such, at least i never heard of it, though the question came up now and then |
| 18:39.14 | greycat | Why do you think you have to get rid of stuff before an upgrade? |
| 18:39.16 | Guest8751 | n4dir: is there something which does a dependency resolution |
| 18:39.24 | Lope | okay, thank goodness, grub found the kernel and initrd |
| 18:39.26 | greycat | Guest8751: apt-get -f install |
| 18:39.35 | n4dir | better stick to greycat , he is way smarter than me. |
| 18:39.40 | greycat | And now I think we can guess the real problem |
| 18:39.43 | greycat | !frankendebian |
| 18:39.50 | greycat | ... FUCK, bot's gone again. |
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| 18:40.05 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 18:40.46 | Lope | it's alive! It's alive muahahaha (demented laughter) |
| 18:41.16 | Guest8751 | greycat: do you know the password for the live boot on the live cd debian 8 |
| 18:41.25 | greycat | !live password |
| 18:41.29 | greycat | Damn. |
| 18:41.29 | Guest8751 | it boots to a blank console login |
| 18:41.33 | Lope | user live |
| 18:41.36 | greycat | !listkeys live |
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| 18:41.59 | Lope | user user password live |
| 18:42.08 | Guest8751 | 9ok |
| 18:42.11 | Lope | I just had that issue |
| 18:42.26 | Guest8751 | going for a reinstall then |
| 18:42.27 | Lope | Freakin annoying how it locks after idle and then you're expected to enter that |
| 18:42.48 | greycat | Poor bot's still sick, I think. |
| 18:42.54 | Guest8751 | it is likely quicker |
| 18:42.55 | Lope | aaah, my install tanked. failed to mount /boot |
| 18:42.59 | tmroland | can i install gnome 3.32 rc from debian experimental to debian unstable ? |
| 18:43.11 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 18:45.09 | Lope | okay, i had a typo. vda instead of vda1 to mount /boot in etc/fstab |
| 18:46.17 | Lope | dang, forgot to set a password in the chrooted system. |
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| 18:46.27 | rant | heh |
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| 18:46.55 | rant | there are a lot of little things that are easy to forget to do when doing a debootstrap install |
| 18:47.19 | Lope | my debian VM is at the login prompt it's ignoring my acpi shutdown |
| 18:47.31 | rant | debootstrap isnt really meant to install a normal complete bootable system, but more a chroot |
| 18:47.35 | Lope | Do I have to destroy or can I tell it that it must not ignore me? |
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| 18:48.23 | n4dir | i agree with rant. while it adds quite some work, i fail to see the advantage of a debootstrap installation. |
| 18:48.32 | rant | shutdown commands are handled ultimately by init, if there is no init.. i.e. bypassed with something like init=/bin/bash they won't work |
| 18:49.00 | rant | there is a way to shut down a system with sysrq via the kernel that may or may not work in this situation |
| 18:49.11 | blackflow | sometimes debootstrap is the only way to install debian. |
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| 18:49.44 | Lope | it works it works |
| 18:49.46 | Lope | Gonna eat |
| 18:49.51 | rant | I use it at times to install to a hdd from a running debian system without having to tie up my hw doing a normal install.. but its a bit of a pain |
| 18:50.12 | Lope | n4dir, it's not that it's an advantage vs a normal install, if a normal install can do it. |
| 18:50.15 | blackflow | it's pretty straightforward in my experience, but you have to know which packages to install |
| 18:50.18 | rant | I tried once to install via USB from virtualbox but that didnt go well |
| 18:50.20 | Lope | But it's doable when a normal install is not. |
| 18:50.31 | blackflow | root on ZFS on LUKS for example, debootstrap is the only way |
| 18:50.55 | Lope | blackflow, yeah it's actually easy. I've done it many times. I just haven't done it for a real grub bootable system before. (maybe once only) |
| 18:50.58 | n4dir | i didn't put it clearly. i only wanted to confirm that it is easy to oversee something, and hence it can happen, is no drama. |
| 18:51.02 | Lope | My notes were a little lacking. |
| 18:51.39 | blackflow | this is where gentoo experience pays off :) |
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| 19:07.38 | jelly | wtf |
| 19:09.50 | areyouloco | !dpkg gentoo |
| 19:10.17 | greycat | is gone. |
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| 19:12.25 | jelly | and dselect did not join because race conditions and slow services |
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| 19:16.14 | jelly | dselect: welcome back |
| 19:16.15 | dselect | it's good to be home :) |
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| 19:18.50 | jelly | %gentoo |
| 19:18.51 | dselect | Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 and ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net |
| 19:20.19 | A|an | What accounts for the keyboard being dead after the machine is reactivated from overnight suspend? |
| 19:20.55 | jelly | issues with usb host or usb device drivers |
| 19:21.21 | A|an | a bios thing, then? |
| 19:21.22 | jelly | A|an: did you try unplugging it and plugging it back in? |
| 19:21.40 | A|an | Jelly: yes; didn't help...had to reboot |
| 19:22.16 | jelly | possibly a bios thing, but linux kernels can and do keep workarounds for various firmware quirks |
| 19:22.19 | A|an | the power (I have a back lit keyboard) to the keyboard did come back on after unplug/replug |
| 19:22.32 | n4dir | and i thought the joke was bout pointing him to the filemanager gentoo ... |
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| 19:23.26 | jelly | we could probably do without those 15+ years old "jokes" |
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| 19:25.43 | A|an | There is mention made of this problem associated with laptops...if I post a link will the floor collapse and the ceiling fly away? |
| 19:26.12 | A|an | It aludes to a kernel bug |
| 19:26.32 | A|an | with one l |
| 19:26.45 | A|an | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1734660#p1734660 |
| 19:27.15 | A|an | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195471 |
| 19:27.55 | A|an | Has anyone else had this happened, dead keyboard after suspend? |
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| 19:28.49 | A|an | My motherboard is an Ausus Z270 |
| 19:29.14 | A|an | asus |
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| 19:31.06 | Old_Dog | A|an: I just saw in the setup of a laptop I was working on that it had a setting for whether to let usb ports wake a computer or not. |
| 19:31.22 | A|an | ah! |
| 19:31.26 | Old_Dog | if the keyboard is usb, that could be your problem |
| 19:31.32 | A|an | it is |
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| 19:31.39 | A|an | great |
| 19:31.48 | A|an | I love thorny problems |
| 19:32.13 | Old_Dog | pats himself on the back |
| 19:32.41 | Old_Dog | and sprains a shoulder joint in the process. ouch |
| 19:32.58 | A|an | so...check the bios, i guess |
| 19:33.09 | A|an | ok, thanks |
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| 20:12.58 | uio | Hi - I am having some troubles with unison : all was working just fine syncing between my computer and a usb. Then I tried to use unison to sync the same files on my computer to another usb. During the sync process I accidently changed a file on the computer, which caused the sync to stop. Now unison won't detect that the sync is incomplete with the second usb. More serious is the fact that now the sync with the first usb has issues. Uni |
| 20:14.26 | uio | ... that there are missing directories on my computer, while there aren't. Any help would be most welcome! This files are very important and I am using Unison to sync to a second usb to avoid data loss, but I fear that, as has already happened before, something go wrong with the backup process and cause me more damage than help. Any advice?? |
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| 20:15.16 | uio | Could the problem be somehow (but I reall don't know how..) related to the fact that I named both usbs with the same name and ued the same Unison profile for the sync? |
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| 20:20.52 | uio | I just tried syncing again and unison is just not detecting files that are on my computer and that I am able to access.... what might be going on?? |
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| 20:45.55 | Descriptioned | problemmm houston no sound over hdmi.. ive tried all possible solutions.. |
| 20:46.45 | independent | /server -m fe80::101c:2e76:6d2f:817f +6697 -j #Unix |
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| 20:51.48 | towo` | Descriptioned, But you don't expect any help, you just wanted to share? |
| 20:52.25 | towo` | because otherwise you would tell us relevant infos |
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| 20:54.13 | uio | Any thoughts on my Unison sync issue? |
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| 20:55.09 | uio | It keeps telling me that there are new directories and so on. I checked manaually and all is up to date... Why can't unison detect this? |
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| 20:57.00 | uio | Okay, if no one can help, what do you use for regular computer to usb syncing? |
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| 20:59.37 | uio | I just don't get it, I checked both sync files and they both have the exact same number of files. And the size is only off by 0,1MB. Is unison broken? |
| 21:00.10 | Descriptioned | towo` : https://paste.debian.net/1072900/ |
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| 21:01.04 | uio | Descriptioned: Bravo for taking a sarcastic comment so well! |
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| 21:01.52 | Descriptioned | :) |
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| 21:03.07 | uio | Does Unison have some sort of cached view that prevents it from actually checking to see if the files and dirs are there? |
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| 21:09.17 | Descriptioned | uio any solution ? pavucontrol etc not working |
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| 21:11.10 | uio | Descriptioned: Sorry, I know almost nothing! And its too bad, but it looks pretty dead here tonight. Good luck! |
| 21:11.23 | uio | The sync went through and now there are issues. |
| 21:11.45 | uio | Way too many files on the computer now, as if it duplicated ones from the usb. |
| 21:11.51 | uio | No ideas anyone? |
| 21:12.29 | rant | uio: I use cp or rsync |
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| 21:14.28 | uio | rant: Okay, yeah, I needed bidirectional syncing. And I gui, because I lost work messing around with rsync. I'm going to restart, because the issue seems to be a bunch of .unison.tmp files that are filing things up as kind of ghost duplicates. |
| 21:15.02 | uio | I have all of these hidden dirs all of the sudden which correspond to dirs that were already there. |
| 21:15.42 | uio | Pro tip : stay away from unison. Or at least don't use the same profile with multiple usbs. It can't handle it! |
| 21:15.54 | uio | Be right back if I still have issues. |
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| 21:26.03 | uio | I'm back, so a restart did nothing. Why did Unison dump all these hidden unison.tmp files where there were already the right files? |
| 21:26.20 | uio | This is really worrisome. Could this be a bug? |
| 21:26.37 | phogg | uio: what's in those files? |
| 21:26.42 | uio | Can I make unison remove these random files like it should? |
| 21:27.50 | SerajewelKS | uio: what is your setup trying to accomplish? |
| 21:27.55 | SerajewelKS | unison may not even be the right tool |
| 21:28.53 | uio | phogg: Unison thought that the computer dir was missing some dirs that were in the usb dir. I manually checked and nothing was missing. But it insisted on syncing. Once it synced, all it did was create these hidden files which correspond to the 'missing' files. Which contain copies of what was already there. So the computer dir now has doubles. |
| 21:29.11 | uio | SerajewelKS: I have a usb and a computer that I wanted to be able to sync birectionally. |
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| 21:29.30 | uio | SerajewelKS: All was working beautifully until I tried to sync a second usb with the same unison profile. |
| 21:29.44 | uio | SerajewelKS: Then unison freaked out and now so am I. |
| 21:30.51 | SerajewelKS | uio: unison doesn't understand more than two ends of a sync |
| 21:30.55 | SerajewelKS | so yeah, that would bork it |
| 21:31.17 | SerajewelKS | it has no setup for working with one sync profile against three targets |
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| 21:31.37 | uio | SerajewelKS: But I named the usbs the same way. |
| 21:31.49 | SerajewelKS | yes. that almost certainly made things worse, not better. |
| 21:32.04 | uio | SerajewelKS: Now I just wanted to get it back to working like before and figure out what these hidden files are doing there. |
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| 21:32.14 | SerajewelKS | those are probably conflict files |
| 21:32.15 | uio | SerajewelKS: Is it safe just to delete them?? |
| 21:32.35 | uio | SerajewelKS: That are replicas of all the supposedly missing files?? |
| 21:32.38 | SerajewelKS | maybe, maybe not |
| 21:32.46 | SerajewelKS | do you have a backup of a good state of this directory? |
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| 21:33.23 | uio | SerajewelKS: Well, the usb. |
| 21:33.36 | SerajewelKS | having them be named the same and share the same profile means that once unison makes device A match your computer, and you have it operate against device B, it thinks device B _is_ device A and is expecting to see all of the same stuff that it just synced, but it doesn't. |
| 21:33.49 | SerajewelKS | you need a separate profile to sync device B |
| 21:33.51 | uio | SerajewelKS: It seems like I can back up the usb to two computers though.... |
| 21:34.00 | uio | SerajewelKS: Okay. |
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| 21:34.13 | SerajewelKS | you can make three-way sync appear to happen by using multiple two-way syncs |
| 21:34.20 | uio | SerajewelKS: But why couldn't unison see that all the files were there? |
| 21:34.29 | SerajewelKS | but you can't reuse the same two-way sync profile on another device, that messes it all up |
| 21:34.51 | SerajewelKS | what unison could see or could not see is not relevant |
| 21:35.20 | SerajewelKS | unison made an assumption that device A is always device A but you make it so that device A is sometimes a totally different device B |
| 21:35.37 | uio | SerajewelKS: So if I get you, I can sync comp1 and usb1 and then usb1 and comp2, but not usb1 and comp1 and then usb2 and comp1? |
| 21:35.39 | SerajewelKS | the assumption was violated and now unison can do whatever it wants, which could include things you don't want it to do |
| 21:36.12 | SerajewelKS | uio: you can perform all of those syncs |
| 21:36.15 | uio | SerajewelKS: So the solution is just use different profiles for different usbs even if the comp directory to sync is exactly the same. |
| 21:36.15 | SerajewelKS | but not as the same profile |
| 21:36.24 | SerajewelKS | use a different profile for each PAIR of devices |
| 21:36.53 | uio | SerajewelKS: Okay. That's clear for me now. Thanks. But, the question is, can I get rid of these hidden files, and why were they even created in the first place?? |
| 21:36.53 | SerajewelKS | comp1 <-> usb1 is a profile, comp1 <-> usb2 is a profile, comp2 <-> usb1 is a profile, comp2 <-> usb2 is a profile |
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| 21:37.35 | SerajewelKS | the safest thing for you to do now is decide which directory is the correct view. delete all of the temp files in that directory. delete all unison profiles. recreate the profiles and let things sync from the known-good directory. |
| 21:37.39 | uio | SerajewelKS: Okay, because comp1 and comp2 actually store information about the usb device |
| 21:37.53 | SerajewelKS | but TAKE A BACKUP of whatever the "good" directory is before you do ANYTHING |
| 21:38.06 | uio | SerajewelKS: Okay. Seems like good advice. |
| 21:38.12 | SerajewelKS | ideally you should be taking backups of this stuff already if it's important data |
| 21:38.23 | SerajewelKS | (no, your two USB sticks and the other computer do not count as backups) |
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| 21:38.40 | uio | SerajewelKS: Yes, actually this whole issue came about because I was trying to backup the data on usbs. |
| 21:38.46 | uio | SerajewelKS: How is that not a backup?? |
| 21:38.51 | SerajewelKS | synchronization is not backup |
| 21:38.59 | uio | SerajewelKS: Okay.... |
| 21:39.08 | uio | SerajewelKS: Why not? |
| 21:39.14 | SerajewelKS | any oopses you make will be synchronized if you don't notice them |
| 21:39.24 | SerajewelKS | at the point you notice them, it may be too late |
| 21:39.29 | uio | SerajewelKS: Are backups huge then? |
| 21:39.35 | SerajewelKS | not if they properly deduplicate |
| 21:39.45 | SerajewelKS | take a look at restic (use the github version; the debian stable version is way old) |
| 21:40.30 | uio | SerajewelKS: Old is fine for me, is the repo version a real problem? |
| 21:40.33 | SerajewelKS | we use this in production on our servers and have months of backups in a 200GB repository. the "unpacked" size of each backup is multiple TBs. |
| 21:40.53 | SerajewelKS | ,v restic |
| 21:40.54 | judd | Package: restic on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.3-1+b2; sid: 0.9.4+ds-1; buster: 0.9.4+ds-2 |
| 21:41.03 | SerajewelKS | 0.3.3 vs 0.9.4 |
| 21:41.30 | SerajewelKS | yes, the stretch version is missing several key fixes and performance improvements |
| 21:41.46 | uio | SerajewelKS: If I just hang onto the hiden files for now, there are no risks, non? |
| 21:41.52 | SerajewelKS | the github releases are statically linked. you can just dump the download in /usr/local/bin |
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| 21:42.07 | SerajewelKS | uio: i don't know. unison might be confused by them when you recreate the profiles and sync. |
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| 21:43.21 | SerajewelKS | you could also backport the package from buster |
| 21:43.30 | antto | ,v codeblocks |
| 21:43.31 | judd | Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- wheezy: 10.05-2.1; jessie-backports: 16.01+dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 16.01+dfsg-2+b1; buster: 16.01+dfsg-2.1; sid: 16.01+dfsg-2.1 |
| 21:44.01 | SerajewelKS | i mean since it's statically linked, the binary package might also work fine (one of the few cases where installing a testing package on stable should be safe) |
| 21:44.18 | SerajewelKS | the libc dep is identical |
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| 21:45.45 | SerajewelKS | uio: but the advantage to a proper nightly backup is that you can pull a file from days ago if you discover it's bad |
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| 21:46.09 | nickgaw | Hi, I am totally blind and am trying to setup dropbox on Buster accept the GUI client is not the best usable with orca can dropbox be installed using just the console? |
| 21:46.45 | SerajewelKS | uio: restic deduplicates so it only stores files that changed, and can even store only the parts of a file that changed. the first backup will be big; if you don't change much data each day, the subsequent backups will barely add any disk usage. |
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| 21:48.29 | uio | SerajewelKS: Okay, thanks for the info. I'll look into implementing a real backup system soon. I ended up moving the unison.tmp files out of the comp sync dir and all looks good. I didn't have to recreate the profiles or anything. Number of files and octets match exactly. |
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| 21:48.47 | uio | SerajewelKS: I'll hang onto the temp files for now... |
| 21:48.53 | uio | *tmp |
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| 21:50.09 | uio | SerajewelKS: I really appreciate your help - I was starting to panic! |
| 21:50.14 | uio | cheers! |
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| 22:00.56 | SerajewelKS | uio: np. just make sure you create a separate profile for each directory pair. |
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| 22:03.31 | uio | SerajewelKS: That too! |
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| 22:06.39 | jmcnaught | nickgaw: I don't know about the console but there is a nautilus-dropbox package, the GNOME file manager might have better orca support than the dropbox client. |
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| 22:13.38 | kenrestivo | snapshot.debian.org is 500'ing |
| 22:14.48 | kenrestivo | and, all our builds are failing :( |
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| 22:27.11 | SerajewelKS | uio: if the goal is to sync comp1 to comp2, is there a reason you need the usb sticks? |
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| 22:28.15 | petn-randall | kenrestivo: It's working fine for me. Can you share the output of your failing apt run on https://paste.debian.net? |
| 22:29.42 | kenrestivo | even the website snapshot.debian.org shows a 500 error |
| 22:31.41 | SerajewelKS | uio: if there's network connectivity between the two boxes, check out syncthing.net -- an open source mesh synchronization tool, which can live-sync changes between the systems |
| 22:32.09 | kenrestivo | petn-randall: it looks like varnish is caching a 500 response on your side |
| 22:32.29 | SerajewelKS | if the two machines have internet access but are both firewalled, syncthing can use relays (there are some public ones it will automatically use -- and yes, everything is end-to-end encrypted) |
| 22:33.56 | SerajewelKS | (or you can operate your own relay) |
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| 22:35.24 | kenrestivo | petn-randall: seems to work now. |
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| 22:36.31 | uio | SerajewelKS: Actually I need to sync to usb for printing purposes and because I have a hope computer and need to use the usb on the work computers (which are shared and are windows). |
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| 22:45.30 | petn-randall | kenrestivo: As I said, I never got the 500 error, so there couldn't be varnish caching the HTTP 500 response. |
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| 22:45.51 | kenrestivo | ok, well it's up now. not sure what happened but it was down for a day or so |
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| 22:45.55 | kenrestivo | thanks |
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| 22:53.35 | trysten | noob question. I'm using gnome and can't figure out how to install stuff using the software stream app thing. I clicked install on a few apps but it just says pending. What am I missing? |
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| 22:57.32 | rgr | software stream app thing? |
| 22:57.38 | trysten | Yes |
| 22:58.29 | rgr | Interested to know what you mean. I tend to use synaptic to search and command line "sudo apt install xxx" to install still. |
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| 22:59.56 | trysten | I use aptitude exclusively >.> But i'm trying gnome WM and thought i'd give the store-like thing a try. So I clicked install on blender, it showed some progress about downloading the app but now just says "Pending installation..." at the top of the page for the app |
| 23:00.17 | trysten | No progress bar. Apt is not open elsewhere |
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| 23:01.45 | rgr | oh ok its some new whizzy thing. I like gnome a lot - their tiling etc is superb now. Good luck. |
| 23:02.54 | trysten | Maybe new but shouldn't be too whizzy. It's the default way to install software from within Gnome, I presume |
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| 23:04.27 | trysten | I probably just broke something upgrading to unstable |
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| 23:07.46 | petn-randall | trysten: Likely! |
| 23:07.50 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 23:07.58 | trysten | RIP dpkg |
| 23:08.03 | petn-randall | pokes dpkg. |
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| 23:12.57 | soulseeker | meow |
| 23:13.04 | soulseeker | here kitty kitty kitty |
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| 23:13.42 | soulseeker | sets down some cat food |
| 23:14.17 | soulseeker | meanwhile 33 commentary |
| 23:14.37 | soulseeker | hey, why does apt-get warn of no verification but aptitude runs on |
| 23:14.47 | soulseeker | does aptitude not check? |
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| 23:15.14 | soulseeker | any 33 chttr |
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| 23:15.23 | soulseeker | free and open 33 |
| 23:15.34 | soulseeker | chat chat chat |
| 23:16.04 | soulseeker | chitty chitty chat chat |
| 23:16.11 | soulseeker | vibrating teeth |
| 23:16.49 | soulseeker | sets the cat food down again |
| 23:16.58 | soulseeker | see if that sound activates a trigger |
| 23:17.09 | soulseeker | open sesame! |
| 23:17.34 | soulseeker | get with the program uniqdom |
| 23:18.02 | soulseeker | _MrGr33n_ tell me about apt vs aptitude verifications |
| 23:18.57 | soulseeker | its deneeeeeeew style |
| 23:19.28 | soulseeker | techmaster peb |
| 23:19.41 | soulseeker | scratch that record |
| 23:19.48 | soulseeker | it it its |
| 23:19.53 | soulseeker | deneeeeeeeew style |
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| 23:21.18 | soulseeker | here kitty kitty kitty |
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| 23:21.46 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 23:22.08 | petn-randall | soulseeker: Try to keep it on-topic in this channel. #debian-offtopic is better suited for this. |
| 23:23.46 | soulseeker | "if you've seen me youve seen the father" thenderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd |
| 23:23.58 | soulseeker | ba ba bASE |
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| 23:24.11 | soulseeker | sonic boom! |
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| 23:39.49 | Marz | i notice on ubuntu server there are a lot of updates but on debian i there are barely any updates. why is that? |
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| 23:45.23 | ksk | Marz: debian stable means "not changing", so during a relase debian will not version numers of package XY |
| 23:45.37 | Marz | i think ubuntu also does that |
| 23:49.16 | Unit193 | That is indeed the concept of the 'LTS' series, sure. |
| 23:50.24 | Marz | can't be. there are lots of package updates. |
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| 23:52.01 | Rockj | I tried submitting an bug report using email towards https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libgtk-3-dev;dist=unstable - is it supposed to shown up on this webpage striaght away? |
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| 23:56.21 | blackflow | Marz: I answered to you in the #ubuntu-server channel for the same question. Ubuntu does more than just security updates like Debian. on the other hand Debian has point releses that include bugfixes and otehr bumps. |
| 23:57.21 | Marz | what is meant by point releases |
| 23:57.38 | blackflow | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases |