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| 00:04.27 | paule32 | hello |
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| 00:06.40 | Deihmos | on ubuntu i can right click on the desktop and get a menu but on debian there is nothing. anyone know how i can change that? |
| 00:07.32 | ksk | paule32: totally not a debian question. there are java support channels on this network, I also suggest you try to rephrase your question - I was not able to parse it |
| 00:08.21 | Ede|Popede | Deihmos: that's your DE, not the distro. in xfce i get the default menu. |
| 00:08.26 | outoftime | Deihmos: you have to know what is Display Manager and Window Manager |
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| 00:09.01 | outoftime | Deihmos: Ede|Popede corrects me, Desktop Environment responsible for that |
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| 00:09.32 | outoftime | Deihmos: you should be using Gnome gesktop, press Win key or move mouse to upper left corner |
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| 00:10.39 | Deihmos | i am referring to right clicking on the desktop. the menu has change background, display and settings. on ubuntu it has many more options |
| 00:11.32 | outoftime | Deihmos: do not compare distibutions in such way. |
| 00:12.00 | Ede|Popede | may also be the wm, or not? long time ago before i started using DEs i looked at a couple of oldschool WMs. twm, fvwm, that kind. and iirc some of them also showed a menu on some desktop clicking |
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| 00:12.33 | outoftime | Ede|Popede: using i3wm and I'm so happy like never before |
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| 00:13.11 | ksk | fluxbox also has a right klick menu, can recommend ;) |
| 00:13.53 | Ede|Popede | Deihmos, again: unless it has to do with different default settings this has nothing to do with your distro. average or at least new desktop users may not even be aware if they're using debian or ubuntu, but they may see the difference between say KDE and Xfce. it is the DM/WM which makes the difference on the desktop |
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| 00:15.06 | outoftime | Deihmos: when you reffering debian in your question you HAVE TO name you DE. I'm using i3wm you question is pointless for it. |
| 00:15.34 | Ede|Popede | outoftime: had it for some time. the nice effect was that the contact list of the old skype became smaller than they ever planned it to be. but tiling wm, i don't think that's really my thing. love this "fill space" on xfce |
| 00:16.41 | Deihmos | gnome desktop |
| 00:18.01 | outoftime | Ede|Popede: I used to tmux, screen that kind of stuff, that is why I like it. Also the speed is important for me. I can say that on top PC I probably would not switch to i3wm from Gnome. |
| 00:19.10 | Ede|Popede | in terms of speed, 2GB RAM and Firefox are a really bad combination. when it starts to swap, then good night, irene. |
| 00:19.42 | weedloser | xfce! |
| 00:20.07 | Ede|Popede | and of course i don't have an SSD. old seagate, probably smaller than most people's system SSD nowadays (or even their backup sticks) |
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| 00:20.25 | outoftime | Deihmos: Good Arch wiki arcticle about DEs https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/desktop_environment |
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| 00:26.55 | outoftime | Deihmos: on one hand I do not want to push you, but on the other you have to understand that you can install any DE you want and use it, even Unity 7 (from Ubuntu). Important thing is that you should not look for same thing that you have in one DE in another. You should learn what both of them are cappable of. Some times they will oftter same functionality but in different ways, sometimes there will be |
| 00:27.01 | outoftime | no similar functionality. It is most like comparing Windows to Linux, when new users starts asking how to do same thing they did in Windows. They should not do the same, they have to do it in Linux way, they have to learn Linux. Same with DE. |
| 00:29.35 | outoftime | Deihmos: FYI, Ubuntu have distro with Gnome as well. |
| 00:29.52 | Deihmos | ubuntu uses the same gnome desktop enviroment |
| 00:30.19 | outoftime | Deihmos: even version? |
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| 00:31.35 | outoftime | Deihmos: well, I'll suppose you are right. In this case Gnome can be configured in such way, so you are lucky and have to find out how to do this. |
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| 00:46.20 | JordiGH | what's the right /dev/random to use for encryption? |
| 00:46.29 | JordiGH | /dev/urandom? |
| 00:46.37 | dtux | urandom is psuedorandom |
| 00:47.39 | JordiGH | So /dev/random? |
| 00:47.44 | JordiGH | Should I wiggle around my mouse? |
| 00:47.50 | milkt | use /dev/random for security |
| 00:47.57 | JordiGH | I need 150 gigs of random. |
| 00:48.06 | JordiGH | Is that gonna be a lot of mouse wiggling? |
| 00:49.33 | milkt | how much random bit do you need? 150 gigabits? |
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| 00:49.56 | JordiGH | Damn, I'm already out of random bytes. |
| 00:50.10 | JordiGH | /dev/random is sloooooow |
| 00:50.15 | JordiGH | milkt: gigabytes |
| 00:50.27 | milkt | what are you using it for? |
| 00:50.35 | JordiGH | To encrypt a hard drive. |
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| 00:50.56 | JordiGH | Btw, I figured out earlier how to mount that thing. |
| 00:51.03 | JordiGH | It'sn LVM volume *inside* the encrypted partition. |
| 00:51.21 | JordiGH | So, first decrypt the file I imaged, then lvscan to get the lvm volumes and then mount the lvm volumes. |
| 00:51.25 | milkt | is your encryption key size is 150 gigabit |
| 00:51.47 | JordiGH | milkt: Gotta fill the file with garbage so you can't tell which part is used and which part is unused. |
| 00:51.59 | milkt | in that purpose, /dev/urandom is suitable |
| 00:52.16 | JordiGH | 'Cause I actually want an encrypted image of just the volume. |
| 00:52.25 | JordiGH | So that's why I'm first creating a garbage image. |
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| 00:54.27 | milkt | do you mean partition? |
| 00:54.32 | JordiGH | No, image. |
| 00:54.35 | JordiGH | A file. |
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| 00:55.25 | milkt | so are you making encrypted container as file? or making backup |
| 00:55.31 | JordiGH | Making a backup. |
| 00:56.25 | milkt | you'll overwrite backup image with partition data anyway |
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| 00:57.23 | JordiGH | Yeah but not all of it. |
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| 00:58.38 | milkt | are you making hard backup or soft backup |
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| 00:59.59 | JordiGH | Uh, I don't know how to measure the mohs. |
| 01:00.09 | JordiGH | (I don't know what that means.) |
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| 01:01.54 | milkt | are you making exact copy of disk/partition/lvm or whatever / or copying file and directories into another container? |
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| 01:03.57 | rant | in re: wiggling your mouse, I hear if you shake it more than twice, you're playing with it |
| 01:04.39 | JordiGH | milkt: Oh, dd if=/dev/whatevs of=thefile |
| 01:05.07 | rant | JordiGH: is the source already encrypted? |
| 01:05.21 | JordiGH | Okay, I should be more specific. |
| 01:05.58 | JordiGH | dd if=/dev/mapper/encrypted-disk of=/dev/mapper/encrypted-file |
| 01:06.09 | rant | JordiGH: the point trying to be made here, is that if you're copying an encrypted volume that was scrubed with random data, to an image, there is no reason to creat a scrubbed image, because the original disk was already scurbbed |
| 01:06.33 | milkt | ^ |
| 01:06.36 | JordiGH | It's not the same size. |
| 01:06.49 | JordiGH | Hm, does that matter? |
| 01:07.01 | JordiGH | I guess I am using cp instead of dd. |
| 01:07.08 | JordiGH | I still haven't made up my mind what I'm doing. |
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| 01:07.15 | milkt | what are you copying exactly? |
| 01:07.26 | milkt | luks container itself? |
| 01:07.39 | JordiGH | idk man I'm making a mess that's what. |
| 01:08.02 | rant | if your if=/dev/mapper/blah then you are copying the filsystem INSIDE the container |
| 01:08.19 | rant | if you were going to copy the container you'd be using the raw device node |
| 01:08.53 | JordiGH | Yeah, okay, I won't do that. |
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| 01:09.04 | JordiGH | I'm creating a filesystem inside this file that I'm urandoming. |
| 01:09.15 | JordiGH | And then I'm just cp the homedir from the encrypted external drive into this file. |
| 01:09.36 | JordiGH | Is this dumb? Maybe. |
| 01:09.53 | JordiGH | I also have another external backup drive. I think I want to encrypt that one too. |
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| 01:11.21 | JordiGH | Hm... https://sourceforge.net/projects/luks-manager/ |
| 01:11.25 | JordiGH | Last updated 2014, looks legit. |
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| 01:14.21 | rant | @.@ |
| 01:14.39 | rant | Language: Chinese Downloads: 0 Files: None |
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| 01:14.55 | JordiGH | Man, I'm not sure what I want to do. |
| 01:14.57 | rant | proect that existed for 7 years, 5 years ago, and yeilded nothing |
| 01:15.16 | JordiGH | So I have my old laptop's hard drive here. |
| 01:15.19 | JordiGH | I want to do a backup. |
| 01:15.22 | milkt | yeah |
| 01:15.27 | JordiGH | I just bought a much larger external drive. |
| 01:15.41 | JordiGH | I think I just want to copy stuff. |
| 01:15.55 | JordiGH | From old drive to new drive. |
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| 01:16.19 | JordiGH | But use all of the new size in the new one. |
| 01:17.09 | milkt | make filesystem in new external drive, and make raw image of laptop drive as file |
| 01:17.27 | JordiGH | So maybe I should just create a partition in the new drive, format it with luks and ext4, and now I have a 1.5T partition in there. |
| 01:17.34 | milkt | yeah |
| 01:17.40 | JordiGH | Can I just dd from old LUKS mapper to new LUKS mapper? |
| 01:18.08 | JordiGH | Or does the filesystem under mapper also have stuff like partition sizes that can't just be dd'ed? |
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| 01:18.41 | milkt | what is inside your luks container |
| 01:18.54 | milkt | lvms? or single filesystem under container |
| 01:18.55 | JordiGH | Oh, lvm, right. |
| 01:19.13 | JordiGH | I don't think I need lvm in the backup drive. |
| 01:19.16 | milkt | i haven't tried cloning lvms so don't know well about that one |
| 01:19.40 | JordiGH | So I'll dd if=$(the lvm mapper) instead. |
| 01:20.43 | milkt | can you mount that $(the lvm mapper) as filesystem? |
| 01:20.52 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 01:21.15 | milkt | then sounds good |
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| 01:23.01 | JordiGH | Hm, do I *need* to create a partition? |
| 01:23.03 | JordiGH | No, right? |
| 01:23.12 | JordiGH | I can do luksFormat /dev/sdb, right? |
| 01:23.14 | milkt | what partition? |
| 01:23.19 | JordiGH | The backup. |
| 01:23.30 | milkt | i don't know which hdd is /dev/sdb |
| 01:23.31 | JordiGH | /dev/sda is dead laptop, /dev/sdb is backup drive. |
| 01:24.00 | JordiGH | (/dev/nvme01 is host laptop) |
| 01:24.01 | milkt | you can make /dev/sdb itself as single filesystem |
| 01:24.16 | milkt | but i suggest making partition table and partition |
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| 01:24.27 | milkt | on /dev/sdb |
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| 01:24.46 | JordiGH | What do I tell gparted? Create ext2 on /dev/sdb1? |
| 01:25.08 | JordiGH | And then luksFormat /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 01:25.12 | milkt | i don't have gparted TwT |
| 01:25.22 | JordiGH | Erm, parted, fdisk... |
| 01:25.31 | JordiGH | They're all gonna ask me what kind of partition to create on /dev/sdb |
| 01:25.52 | JordiGH | Right now it's NTFS 'cause y'know, it's new and Seagate thinks I want Windows. |
| 01:26.55 | JordiGH | Wait, they're not gonna ask me to create a filesystem. |
| 01:27.01 | JordiGH | They're just gonna ask me to create a partition. |
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| 01:27.16 | milkt | you can make filesystem after partitioning |
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| 01:29.17 | milkt | "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1" if you're making ext4 filesystem on /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:31.26 | JordiGH | The filesystem is after creating the mapper on /dev/sdb1, no? |
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| 01:31.59 | milkt | what mapper? |
| 01:32.23 | JordiGH | I'm gonna turn /dev/sdb1 into a LUKS partition. |
| 01:32.29 | JordiGH | So first put LUKS on /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:32.33 | milkt | yeah |
| 01:32.35 | JordiGH | Then luksOpen |
| 01:32.48 | JordiGH | Then mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/sdb1-name |
| 01:33.04 | milkt | that's correct |
| 01:33.04 | JordiGH | What was GNU dd replacement that showed a progress bar? |
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| 01:33.35 | milkt | use "dd status=progress" maybe |
| 01:33.53 | JordiGH | It's some different program.. |
| 01:34.00 | milkt | pv you mean? |
| 01:34.02 | JordiGH | ddrescue! |
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| 01:58.30 | JordiGH | milkt: You've been very helpful, I deeply thank you. |
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| 02:01.56 | milkt | you're welcome, just make sure that you can access your data with copied image, after backup is done |
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| 02:34.16 | bretzhel | maybe stupid but have you try a simple autoremove ? |
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| 02:35.11 | violentE | I'm not experienced in swap, how would I go about that |
| 02:35.49 | bretzhel | I just arrive ... if I understood you want to remove vmware yes ? |
| 02:36.01 | violentE | oh, no |
| 02:36.05 | bretzhel | is so have you try a simple apt autoremove ? |
| 02:36.11 | bretzhel | ouch ok |
| 02:36.50 | bretzhel | can you explain me |
| 02:38.27 | violentE | other than the knowledge that these swap partitions /dev/zram0 through /dev/zram7 came about just after I installed vmware, this has little to do with vmware |
| 02:38.34 | violentE | (I already uninstalled) |
| 02:38.48 | violentE | but the swap partitions remain |
| 02:39.08 | violentE | even when I do swapoff /dev/zram0 they still persist |
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| 02:41.27 | bretzhel | have you try echo "1" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches and echo "0" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
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| 02:41.45 | bretzhel | ? |
| 02:43.01 | violentE | no, should I do them both, in succession? |
| 02:43.14 | bretzhel | I prepare you a script of |
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| 02:44.39 | bretzhel | ok I send you script in pm |
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| 04:15.26 | gasull | Are there any usb wifi adapters that don't need drivers with binary blobs and work with whatever comes in the kernel? |
| 04:15.29 | gasull | It seems all WUSB need some firmware-* package in Debian coming from non-free. |
| 04:16.03 | mason | gasull: If your issue is tactical rather than ethical, there's a firmware image you can use to install. |
| 04:16.15 | mason | !firmware |
| 04:16.15 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 04:16.27 | mason | !installer firmware |
| 04:16.27 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 04:16.44 | mason | !firmware images |
| 04:16.44 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 04:16.50 | mason | Yay, third try was a charm. |
| 04:19.05 | gasull | mason: The concern is because I'm using Debian within Qubes OS and it seems to have a problem with USB passthrough for the rt2800usb driver (there's a ticket open). And I'll rather have something 100% free for ethical reasons, security, and because it will likely just work. |
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| 04:20.24 | mason | gasull: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi notes Realtek RTL8187B chipset (802.11G) and the Atheros AR9170 chipset (802.11N). |
| 04:20.36 | mason | ...for USB wifi that works with free drivers. |
| 04:22.06 | gasull | mason: Thanks a lot! |
| 04:22.17 | mason | gasull: Sure. Good luck with it all. |
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| 04:55.46 | jim | mason, if you're on #debian, you can also choose to message dpkg... then dpkg would reply in /msg |
| 04:57.06 | jim | maybe you were showing those to someone, that should be ok, and, be mindful of the level of traffic on the channel when you do |
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| 07:39.28 | andre144k | hi all, how to kill a linux-prozess which willnot stop via "killall -9 <name>" and willnot stop via "kill -9 <pid>" |
| 07:41.15 | fireba11 | andre144k: then you're out of options and need to reboot i guess |
| 07:41.34 | andre144k | hmm.. thats sad - its a database mashine |
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| 07:46.35 | perseiver | kill 15 <pid> |
| 07:46.52 | perseiver | also, using sudo |
| 07:47.41 | perseiver | If a process not killed, it means its waiting for another resources with high priority. |
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| 07:49.01 | andre144k | how can i get parent prozess from <pid> ? |
| 07:49.54 | andre144k | kill -15 <pid> doesnt work also |
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| 07:50.55 | agio | you want the parent PID of a process? |
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| 07:51.35 | andre144k | yes |
| 07:51.46 | andre144k | maybe i can kill this parent process |
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| 07:52.24 | agio | you can get the parent with |
| 07:52.53 | agio | ps -e -opid,ppid | grep '<parent>$' |
| 07:52.57 | agio | something like that |
| 07:54.04 | agio | I mean get the processes who have <ppid> |
| 07:54.09 | agio | if that makes sense |
| 07:54.46 | perseiver | andre144k, try kill 15 <pid> with sudo command |
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| 07:56.12 | andre144k | perseiver, dont kill prozess |
| 07:58.51 | andre144k | okay maybe easier to restart server |
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| 07:59.56 | perseiver | yes, go through this link.... https://askubuntu.com/questions/59811/kill-pid-not-really-killing-the-process-why |
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| 08:00.13 | perseiver | you can have idea.... Else you will have to reboot the machine |
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| 08:05.11 | andre144k | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.11 | andre144k | -bash: kill: (13513) - Operation not permitted |
| 08:05.30 | andre144k | oki moment... |
| 08:05.32 | andre144k | sry |
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| 08:06.30 | andre144k | as root: kill -1 13513 |
| 08:06.30 | andre144k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.26 | edmont | hi |
| 08:28.39 | edmont | is there a expected release date for Debian 10? |
| 08:28.49 | themill | when it's ready |
| 08:28.58 | edmont | themill: cool :) |
| 08:30.39 | slax0r | isn't it like this since..ever? |
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| 08:37.54 | mutante | there is even a t-shirt for that |
| 08:38.04 | mutante | "Debian - It's ready when it's ready" |
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| 08:44.16 | plantroon | what's the best practice on removing package-provided files in /etc/cron.d? dpkg divert can only rename them and that makes them still active in the context of cron.d directory |
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| 08:48.33 | themill | plantroon: in what context? in a package or as an admin? |
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| 08:49.17 | plantroon | as admin |
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| 08:50.08 | themill | you just rm the file |
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| 08:54.52 | plantroon | but then during an update, the package will reinstall it, no? |
| 08:55.37 | jelly | no, not as long as there are any other dpkg conffiles still remaining in that package |
| 08:55.38 | themill | nope, this is something that Debian got right about 20 years ago |
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| 08:56.06 | jelly | but don't they get confnew'd if you delete them all? |
| 08:56.20 | themill | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#behavior |
| 08:56.28 | themill | jelly: and purge the package |
| 08:56.32 | jelly | I read that once! |
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| 08:59.53 | jelly | ah. I was thinking of rc.d symlinks with "don't delete them all" |
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| 09:02.19 | strk | what's apt.systemd.dai, using the network (calling apt-get) on my behalf ? |
| 09:02.32 | strk | and, how do I make it stop doing that ? |
| 09:02.36 | strk | (I pay for traffic) |
| 09:03.02 | jelly | /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily ? |
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| 09:04.50 | strk | uhm, and what is calling it? |
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| 09:05.30 | strk | according to pstree it comes from init |
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| 09:05.43 | themill | Installing unattended-upgrades |
| 09:06.15 | strk | (how) can it be configured to be paused ? |
| 09:06.52 | strk | actually, let me purge it, it doesn't look like something you want on a laptop anyway |
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| 10:30.16 | k-man | i can connect to my bluetooth headest but can't seem to then select the headset as the output device |
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| 10:32.38 | wrksx | h |
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| 10:39.59 | dfcnvt | Greeting |
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| 10:40.44 | noodlepie | hi |
| 10:41.08 | dfcnvt | I had it all disabled on the notification to login/lockout screen...However I have a script that involves zenity that pop up the notification. It showed up on the login screen. What should I do to fix this? |
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| 10:45.46 | dfcnvt | It's possible it's not zenity itself but the "Alarm Clock" that generate the notification -- regardless, how do I ensure to disable any notification to the login screen? |
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| 11:04.56 | Sia- | any cli based sftpp client than lftP? |
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| 11:05.31 | colo-work | `sftp`? |
| 11:05.33 | colo-work | :) |
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| 11:05.49 | Sia- | yes with sftp sorry |
| 11:06.45 | Fox | Sia-: colo-work gave the answer, he said 'sftp' :) |
| 11:07.32 | Sia- | Fox, i need more advanced like NCFTP |
| 11:08.46 | leni536 | you can use sshfs and any file browser of your choice |
| 11:08.46 | themill | Maybe you should ask your real question then. |
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| 11:10.01 | Sia- | themill, yes a sftp client that support wget, scp and tar on remote folders |
| 11:10.19 | themill | what does sftp have to do with wget, scp or tar? |
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| 11:10.58 | Sia- | because on remote folders i need them as i use it via SSH |
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| 11:11.27 | themill | No-one has any idea what you want. Please start again. |
| 11:11.44 | Sia- | or maybe i'm wrong and all works outside the sftp client :-) |
| 11:11.54 | themill | Describe the actual problem you are trying to solve not the solution you think you need. |
| 11:12.53 | Sia- | themill, ok sorry. if i connect via sftp i need to use wget to download the packages and extract them on the remote host |
| 11:12.54 | leni536 | sounds a lot like that you actually want ssh, but navigation inside a curses based file browser |
| 11:13.14 | leni536 | like, just use ssh and use a curses base file browser |
| 11:13.22 | leni536 | on the remote |
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| 11:13.24 | themill | mc, perhaps |
| 11:14.45 | Sia- | leni536, the SSH works fine. but the provider doesn't give access to extract files. the support team answered extracting just allowed with sftp protocol |
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| 11:15.47 | leni536 | you mean you can ssh in but can't extract tar files on the remote? |
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| 11:16.40 | Sia- | leni536, yes because using tar is blocked |
| 11:17.04 | Sia- | it's funny but i'm under contract until next year with this provider |
| 11:17.20 | leni536 | then you can only extract by downloading it then uploading the extracted files |
| 11:17.32 | leni536 | there is no magical sftp client that could help you here |
| 11:17.49 | themill | You've not explained what you're actually trying to do :( |
| 11:18.42 | Sia- | leni536, then i'm forced to do that until end my contract with this ** provider |
| 11:18.59 | leni536 | alternatively install tar as a user somehow on the remote |
| 11:19.04 | leni536 | and use that |
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| 11:20.10 | leni536 | unless your folder is on a noexec mount |
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| 11:20.20 | Sia- | leni536, i did that they are using debian but own repos :-) |
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| 11:29.56 | engys | Hi, is there a way to ask debian devs for adding packages like opensubdiv to debian? |
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| 11:33.06 | blackflow | engys: you can add it to the list of other ~3000 wished-for packages :))) https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested jokes aside, I suppose you could file a wishlist query to the bug tracker |
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| 11:34.59 | engys | ok thanks blackflow, last times when I boot to some debian desktop I stuck in the situation that I begin to add my own library pathes to the system instead of using it |
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| 11:52.51 | simpledat | Hi |
| 11:52.59 | simpledat | How do I install newer python version? |
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| 11:53.20 | simpledat | Error: Electrum requires Python version >= 3.6.1... |
| 11:53.37 | simpledat | But debian says python3 is already the newest version (3.5.3-1). |
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| 11:55.01 | engys | download the python version you need from python.org and after extracting use ./configure --prefix=$HOME/python |
| 11:55.33 | engys | + make -j8 && make install |
| 11:55.44 | engys | if you have 8 cores |
| 11:55.46 | simpledat | What is the safest way to do it? backports? |
| 11:56.23 | engys | sure when backports have the package u need |
| 11:56.50 | simpledat | engys: How do I check? |
| 11:59.15 | Fox | ,v python3.6 |
| 11:59.16 | judd | Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- sid: 3.6.8-1 |
| 11:59.33 | Fox | no luck with stretch-backports for python3.6 |
| 12:00.15 | simpledat | Fox: I think 3.6.8.1 would work. Since I need 3.6.1 or higher? |
| 12:00.47 | Fox | sure, but don't install that package from sid, backport it |
| 12:00.54 | Fox | ,checkbackport python3.6 |
| 12:01.02 | judd | Backporting package python3.6 in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-8. |
| 12:01.03 | simpledat | I already have deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:01.30 | simpledat | Fox: What do you mena from sid? and backport it? |
| 12:01.33 | Fox | look at the output: sid: 3.6.8-1 |
| 12:01.44 | Fox | it's in sid, not stretch-backports |
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| 12:02.15 | Fox | sid = unstable |
| 12:02.30 | simpledat | oh |
| 12:02.36 | simpledat | So whats the newest version for backports? |
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| 12:03.45 | Fox | I don't know if there is a backported version of python, higher than 3.5.3-1, in stretch-backports |
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| 12:05.13 | simpledat | Fox: How do I find out? |
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| 12:07.22 | Fox | with backports enabled, apt-cache search python3.6 just outputs nothing, that should mean there's no python 3.6 in stretch-backports (and that's what judd just said earlier) |
| 12:07.27 | soulseeker | how far back before debian uses a paravirtualized kernel |
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| 12:09.30 | simpledat | Fox: So what should I do now? :) |
| 12:09.59 | soulseeker | bake a cake? |
| 12:11.08 | engys | =) |
| 12:11.11 | Fox | simpledat: try to build it from sources, like engys said |
| 12:11.14 | __m4ch1n3__ | why modinfo doesnt work for nvidia* modules? |
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| 12:12.46 | soulseeker | I dont see how it doesnt list xen |
| 12:13.08 | soulseeker | the kernel isnt lables xen |
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| 12:15.36 | engys | simpledat: and dont forget you add |
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| 12:15.57 | engys | simpledat: export PATH=$HOME/python/bin/:$PATH to your .bashrc |
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| 12:19.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | ah figured it out :D seems that nvidia is an alias |
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| 12:26.33 | Antioch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.59 | Antioch | Here's an example from a container's log: "[ERROR] Binding socket failed for 0.0.0.0: ErrNo 13, Permission denied" -- Any idea what could be causing this? Any idea how to troubleshoot? |
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| 12:29.05 | soulseeker | Antioch: you have multiple kernels running? |
| 12:29.50 | Antioch | I have the backport 4.19 and proxmox 4.15 installed |
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| 12:30.54 | soulseeker | what does proxmox do |
| 12:31.13 | soulseeker | does it have free open proxies |
| 12:32.54 | Antioch | "do?" It is based on Ubuntu LTS and has ZFS support baked-in. I have the same setup on a VM (Deb9 netinstall + backport 4.19 kernel + proxmox 4.15) and there's no issue with docker networking. |
| 12:33.25 | soulseeker | Antioch: the first thing it may be is system user permissions but if it happens because of a kernel switch selinux is more likely |
| 12:33.33 | soulseeker | }because selinux is in kernel |
| 12:33.45 | soulseeker | whereas user permissions are likely read from a file |
| 12:34.09 | Antioch | Yes, I am guessing there is some permission error but I have no idea where to begin looking as I have no idea what would switch along with the kernel. |
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| 12:34.33 | soulseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.51 | soulseeker | Antioch selinux is in kernel |
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| 12:35.08 | soulseeker | is that a debian produced kernel? |
| 12:35.32 | Antioch | Sorry, custom kernels are new to me (this is an experiment). If you could point me in the right direction (what permission types to check, where) I'll try googling and poking around and see what I can come up with. |
| 12:36.17 | soulseeker | much of this was userspace and I had no problem with it, but now it is all moving to kernel so these things can be converted to binary |
| 12:36.43 | Antioch | Not sure what you mean when asking who produced it, but it's not in an official debian repo. |
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| 12:37.01 | soulseeker | Antioch: look for the selinux logs and see if it says denied network access or something |
| 12:37.07 | Antioch | However, as I mentioned, the same issue does not repro in a test VM I have, so perhaps it's a userspace setting? |
| 12:38.54 | soulseeker | Antioch: it lets in a vm? |
| 12:40.06 | Antioch | Correct, the VM works without issue. |
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| 12:40.47 | soulseeker | but when you boot it from the machine it gives permission denied? |
| 12:40.56 | Antioch | The VM is a Deb9-based NAS machine (OpenMediaVault) whereas my real machine is Deb9 netinstall. |
| 12:41.16 | Antioch | both have the same kernels installed. |
| 12:41.37 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 12:41.37 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 12:42.57 | soulseeker | Antioch: how do you use the debian userspace on a kernel in a vm on another machine? |
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| 12:43.34 | soulseeker | your complaint is about the debian9 userspace docker not working on top of proxmox 4.15 right? |
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| 12:45.33 | Antioch | To Jelly's point, I'm not asking for help with proxmox kernel per se, just trying to get some help figuring out how to trouble shoot this in a more generic sense, because I do not know what permissions would change between kernels. |
| 12:46.20 | Antioch | Yes, about the networking not working without running the containers in privileged mode. |
| 12:46.20 | soulseeker | how do I check for the apt gpg keys |
| 12:46.43 | engys | any hint how to use (start) mutter with xfce4 ? |
| 12:47.00 | soulseeker | the packager is complaining it cannot verify the packages so I havent installed much it seemed to happen after switching dns |
| 12:48.09 | Antioch | soulseeker, are you speaking to me? |
| 12:48.27 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 12:48.36 | soulseeker | I was but you didnt answer. |
| 12:49.08 | soulseeker | greycat whats wrong |
| 12:49.12 | Antioch | Apologies, I had to step away for a moment. |
| 12:49.59 | soulseeker | ven ven ven |
| 12:50.09 | soulseeker | greycat: did you see that |
| 12:51.17 | soulseeker | I was going to direct this next bit at anotther network but there are so many versions of sssl and apparently it doesnt work so here goes, takes a deep breath |
| 12:51.33 | soulseeker | a sim chip is actually the size of a pinhead |
| 12:51.42 | engys | got it! it is really that easy =) -> mutter --replace |
| 12:52.11 | Antioch | soulseeker, if your apt key comment was for me in reference to the proxmox kernel, then "wget http://download.proxmox.com/debian/proxmox-ve-release-5.x.gpg -O /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/proxmox-ve-release-5.x.gpg" |
| 12:52.28 | soulseeker | how do you expect to remain anonymous with a sim chip possibly anywhere |
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| 12:53.36 | Antioch | soulseeker, "your complaint is about the debian9 userspace docker not working on top of proxmox 4.15 right?" - yes, specifically the networking. |
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| 12:55.09 | soulseeker | Antioch: yeah look another line back |
| 12:56.15 | Antioch | soulseeker, "how do you use the debian userspace on a kernel in a vm on another machine?" I do not understand what is being asked here. |
| 12:56.29 | soulseeker | Antioch: can you check and see which version of xfs it has |
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| 12:56.58 | soulseeker | I was slightly suprised to see debian 8 is only at V4 |
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| 12:58.22 | soulseeker | Antioch: and if you are trying to get me to download proxmox |
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| 12:58.46 | soulseeker | Id rather have 36 direct wifi nodes |
| 12:58.51 | soulseeker | on different channels |
| 12:58.56 | engys | wow and I ask how to add vdagent to xfwm and nobody in #xfce say anything .. well lets get some fancy kvm qemu |
| 12:59.29 | soulseeker | not really a proxy but a multichannel network a real internet |
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| 12:59.44 | soulseeker | not one line with a bunch of fake subnets} |
| 12:59.48 | soulseeker | in vmware |
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| 13:00.33 | soulseeker | thats what we call "??nternet"'apparently |
| 13:00.41 | Antioch | soulseeker, to be honest, I am not able to follow you. What does the XFS file system have to do with this? |
| 13:01.01 | Antioch | And no, I am not trying to get you to download anything, I thought you were asking me about apt gpg keys. |
| 13:01.12 | soulseeker | Antioch: take deep breaths and run a pic on your tongue three times |
| 13:02.13 | soulseeker | proxmox looks like it was made for me most of this stuff is |
| 13:02.32 | Antioch | Well, thank you for attempting to help anyway. I appreciate the effort. |
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| 13:04.28 | soulseeker | Antioch: what Im saying is for you to slow down with the messages |
| 13:05.51 | soulseeker | what you are giving seems to be missing something |
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| 13:07.14 | soulseeker | yeah thats right greycat |
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| 13:07.42 | soulseeker | thought about putting on memory accounting |
| 13:08.27 | soulseeker | surrogates ircarcs |
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| 13:09.52 | Antioch | I apologize. I cannot see graycat messaging so perhaps I've been interjecting in another conversation. |
| 13:10.07 | soulseeker | Antioch: is it free proxies? |
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| 13:10.26 | soulseeker | I can dump tor possibly |
| 13:10.54 | greycat | I tried to figure out whether you and soulseeker were the same person chatting with yourself, but I couldn't see any evidence to support it other than the general comedy-of-errors wackiness. Then soulseeker just kept rambling about a new topic every 10 seconds... so I /ignored him. |
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| 13:12.06 | soulseeker | dantes inferno? |
| 13:12.38 | soulseeker | greycat: the line is a turn |
| 13:12.43 | soulseeker | myself or you |
| 13:13.00 | soulseeker | it is like a holographic edge |
| 13:13.11 | soulseeker | it doesnt exist but it is seen |
| 13:13.36 | soulseeker | because it is a fractal edge |
| 13:14.47 | soulseeker | the memory accounting greycat first |
| 13:15.01 | soulseeker | catalouge zram |
| 13:15.50 | soulseeker | if.. yeah murder |
| 13:16.02 | soulseeker | but the actors are surrogates |
| 13:16.17 | soulseeker | those who carry it out |
| 13:16.56 | jelly | soulseeker: please try to keep your lines in here to tech support. |
| 13:17.04 | soulseeker | greycat: is there some setting for blocking pluggable cpus |
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| 13:17.23 | soulseeker | the kernel says 6cpu but the machine has 2 cores |
| 13:17.36 | soulseeker | I dont care to have somebody plugin |
| 13:17.46 | blackflow | puts down 5€ toward Markov chain bot |
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| 13:18.10 | soulseeker | and why do the intel hda kernel params work but not b432 |
| 13:18.13 | greycat | If it is, they've improved a lot. |
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| 13:18.33 | blackflow | I've seen bots repost chat from other chans from the past |
| 13:18.57 | greycat | Well, that's different from a Markov chain. |
| 13:19.03 | blackflow | yeah |
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| 13:19.43 | soulseeker | jelly: maybe you can answer my questions |
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| 13:20.07 | soulseeker | they are kernel questions about the debian kernel but ##kernel hasnt answered them |
| 13:20.16 | soulseeker | not about the module symbols either |
| 13:20.36 | soulseeker | it is all beta software |
| 13:21.02 | soulseeker | somebody can put release and final then they keep revising it |
| 13:21.12 | blackflow | yep. bot. |
| 13:22.07 | soulseeker | jelly: ? |
| 13:22.22 | Antioch | greycat, not the same person :) |
| 13:22.25 | soulseeker | what are these tor maggots |
| 13:23.16 | terbo | ahh just run of the mill dsm |
| 13:23.17 | soulseeker | state farm agents holographic adversairies |
| 13:23.24 | themill | soulseeker: do you need to take a break from irc? |
| 13:23.33 | terbo | just pluck teh root pixel then |
| 13:24.12 | soulseeker | themill: what is irc going to follow me to the bathroom anyway |
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| 13:24.54 | jelly | took the +q out of my keys |
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| 13:26.35 | Antioch | Am actually curious what that all was about. |
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| 14:25.02 | Old_Dog | knocks the table over and everything falls on the floor |
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| 14:34.53 | milkt | how can i disable nouveau driver completly? i installed debian on desktop whith have nvidia gtx1050 graphic card. i followed this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 14:35.46 | milkt | i purged xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and restarted system. and still got conflicting driver warning when installing non-free nvidia-driver package, and ended in blank console |
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| 14:38.20 | milkt | i can still use normally with connecting HDMI cable to intel iGPU side, but i can't see anything when i connect HDMI cable to nvidia graphic card side |
| 14:39.00 | greycat | !bumblebee |
| 14:39.00 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:39.51 | greycat | that grep... that quoting is not right. |
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| 14:40.40 | neoclust | hi, i am using https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ to create a squashfs ( to boot on PXE ). Using my onboard NIC works OK, but when trying with an USB/RJ45 adapter, it doesn't even try to download the Squashfs and i go into the initramfs shell |
| 14:40.50 | neoclust | does any already encountered this ? |
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| 14:41.33 | milkt | greycat: so am i supposed to purge non-free drivers, and install bumblebee, then connect HDMI cable to intel card side to use nvidia card? |
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| 14:42.03 | milkt | i'm using dell desktop by the way |
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| 14:42.23 | greycat | at the moment I'm just trying to figure out what the hell that lspci|grep command is supposed to say |
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| 14:43.15 | greycat | I think if we just remove the two extra single quotes in the middle then it might be correct... |
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| 14:44.27 | greycat | dpkg, bumblebee =~ s/'\''/'\/ |
| 14:44.28 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:44.40 | greycat | OK, that looks MUCH better. |
| 14:44.47 | greycat | !bumblebee |
| 14:44.47 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:50.52 | milkt | lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]' returned two lines for me, i'll purge nonfree driver and installing bumblebee |
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| 14:53.56 | [sr] | hi, small help on gpg keys on debian repo? https://pastebin.com/URsSbcKH |
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| 14:54.26 | [sr] | i've googled and found this, what should be the link for the debian repo? curl -s https://packages.cloud.google.com/apt/doc/apt-key.gpg | apt-key add - |
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| 14:58.13 | n4dir | i'd say you just install them with apt-get |
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| 14:59.13 | greycat | They're installed by the installer, which is the beginning of the chain of trust. Each time you upgrade to a new release, you get the new release's keys signed by the old release's keys, or something like that. |
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| 15:06.51 | [sr] | greycat: ok, but how can i fix it on this moment? |
| 15:07.41 | greycat | Fix what? Most people who ask this stuff are doing some crazy ansible docker vm crap. |
| 15:07.56 | greycat | So they never really installed Debian. |
| 15:07.57 | n4dir | i skipped the step said by greycat and already proposed to install it with apt-get. Not saying it is right, just what i said |
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| 15:10.08 | [sr] | greycat: not my case, im on sid as i always were, but one week ago this happened |
| 15:10.19 | [sr] | console only, no gui, its a server |
| 15:10.32 | [sr] | and i'm on debian, no clone |
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| 15:24.53 | sk_tandt_ | Greetings! I'd like to define a SystemD daemon: any resource on that? |
| 15:25.16 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
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| 15:28.13 | [sr] | greycat: just copied trusted* from /etc/apt from an working machine |
| 15:28.15 | [sr] | working :P |
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| 15:30.03 | sk_tandt_ | greycat, thanks! <3 |
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| 16:30.37 | jhutchins | !debian-next |
| 16:30.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:15.46 | JordiGH | So if I have an old laptop's internal hard drive hooked up to one of those usb things and plugged into a new laptop, should that be bootable? |
| 17:16.11 | JordiGH | 'Cause it doesn't boot and I don't know if it's because that can't be bootable or because EFI is being a dick. |
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| 17:20.14 | diogenes_ | if it was installed in uefi mode then you must check in bios to enable uefi mode too |
| 17:20.52 | JordiGH | No, old laptop didn't have UEFI. |
| 17:21.17 | n4dir | but you are sure it is able to boot from USB at all? |
| 17:21.35 | JordiGH | Hm, I think so, because that's how I originally installed Debian on the new laptop. |
| 17:21.54 | JordiGH | I can even select the old laptop's drive from the new laptop's boot menu. |
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| 17:22.10 | JordiGH | It just doesn't do anything, brings me back to the menu without any other output other than a quick flash of a black screen. |
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| 17:24.10 | n4dir | the grub menu? |
| 17:24.57 | n4dir | if you can run chroot you could check /etc/fstab, perhaps reinstall grub, such stuff. Just ideas, not really sure what the problem might be. |
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| 17:27.13 | JordiGH | Yeah I can chroot. |
| 17:27.34 | JordiGH | Actually, I wish I could just chroot. |
| 17:27.44 | JordiGH | I just have my old email in Evolution in the old drive. |
| 17:27.48 | JordiGH | That's what I really want to get at. |
| 17:28.02 | n4dir | if no one with insight can answer, you could try that then. |
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| 17:28.14 | JordiGH | But when I chroot and run evolution in the chroot, I get a constant barrage of CPU-pegging errors about not being able to allocate memory. |
| 17:28.14 | n4dir | if all you want is the data of Evolution, just mount it and copy? |
| 17:28.31 | JordiGH | Well, I'm not sure exactly where Evolution is storing all of its data. |
| 17:28.36 | JordiGH | It's somwehere in ~/.local/share |
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| 17:29.42 | greycat | Any particular reason you didn't just copy the *entire* home directory over to the new box? |
| 17:29.56 | n4dir | find /home/username '*evolution*' ; same with uppercase, might help (not a find master here, obviously, but that should be found quickly via the Web). |
| 17:29.56 | JordiGH | The new box already has a home directory. |
| 17:30.05 | greycat | Nothing rm -rf can't fix. |
| 17:30.16 | JordiGH | Okay, fine, new box is actually my work laptop. |
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| 17:41.37 | ctcx | Hello. |
| 17:41.46 | ctcx | I have a, kind of paranoid doubt... |
| 17:41.55 | ctcx | I was looking for some Spanish/French old comics, so I had to search around websites and downloads. Since I know about the general dangers I use a Debian live system, always as standard user. |
| 17:42.02 | ctcx | So I find the desired files, and later delete <all> browser data, including cache. But now comes the time to copy them to the hard disk OS, which happens to be Win10. |
| 17:42.09 | ctcx | So, if I'm kinda paranoid regarding the websites I had to search, is it just enough to delete all browser's data in order to freely mount Windows partition and copy? Or could there be any remains from the obscure websites hidden within the Debian system? |
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| 17:45.18 | mutante | ctcx: i would say the risk is greatly reduced if you did not allow any javascript to run at all |
| 17:45.39 | mutante | (if you were able to use the sites without it.. it keeps getting worse :/) |
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| 17:52.05 | ctcx | mutante: what if I did manage to? |
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| 18:24.08 | hweaving | I'm guessing this is general Linux behavior, but I am seeing it on a Debian system. I have a basic stack question. |
| 18:24.08 | hweaving | 1. I set "ulimit -s" to 8192, or observe it is already set to this value. |
| 18:24.08 | hweaving | 2. If I run a test program that does pthread_create() for two child threads, I see VmPeak increase by 16384 for that process. This makes sense. |
| 18:24.08 | hweaving | 3. However, VmPeak for a simple "Hello, world!" program does NOT exceed 8192. In fact, it only grows towards that value if I force things to be on the stack. |
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| 18:24.27 | hweaving | Why does the main thread not reserve its full amount of potential stack space in virtual memory, and/or why do new pthreads reserve this space? |
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| 18:36.52 | mason | jim: scrollback tells all |
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| 19:30.12 | Tenkawa | wow.. took me 2 minutes to find one of "those" types |
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| 19:34.30 | Tenkawa | (being widespread adopted) |
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| 20:17.16 | wr | ! debian 10 |
| 20:17.29 | wr | !debian 10 |
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| 20:22.49 | jhutchins_wk | !buster |
| 20:22.49 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
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| 20:35.21 | soulseeker | greycat: hey did you read me |
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| 20:35.57 | soulseeker | greycat: no surrendur |
| 20:36.33 | soulseeker | the game is afoot |
| 20:37.11 | soulseeker | may be three people |
| 20:37.32 | soulseeker | for what people is worth |
| 20:38.44 | soulseeker | do I need to turn on tor anymore for set guard on |
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| 20:40.01 | soulseeker | hi jan |
| 20:40.14 | soulseeker | I wiped debian because it doesnt refresh daily |
| 20:40.30 | soulseeker | gentoo has dailies |
| 20:41.00 | soulseeker | this improves security |
| 20:42.35 | ksk | soulseeker: how about moving this chat to #debian-offtopic? |
| 20:42.55 | soulseeker | is that the green green grass |
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| 20:46.00 | soulseeker | greycat: no surrendur, no rulers |
| 20:46.06 | soulseeker | anarcat |
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| 20:46.51 | soulseeker | get your tommy gun |
| 20:47.12 | soulseeker | you can stand me up at the gates of hell but I willnt back down |
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| 20:50.06 | soulseeker | _/\_ |
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| 22:01.47 | ctcx | hello? |
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| 22:04.14 | ksk | !ask |
| 22:04.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:04.57 | ctcx | ksk: the doubt about browser in DEbian live couple of hours ago |
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| 23:00.02 | allan_wind | Is NetworkManager replacing ifup/ifdown? |
| 23:00.24 | ksk | Not that I know. |
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| 23:00.54 | ksk | I mean, it can replace if-up/down, but will not replace it as a standard in debian. |
| 23:01.06 | OerHeks | netplan ftw |
| 23:01.06 | ksk | also, there are systemd-networkd or something like this, and netplan for example |
| 23:01.16 | ksk | who will want to compete with all of them ;) |
| 23:01.46 | Unit193 | netplan is just a configuration frontend for systemd-networkd and NM though. There's also the python ifupdown2, I believe. |
| 23:02.04 | ksk | I am not aware that debian choose anything to replace if-up/down, you might wanna try searching the mailing lists though. |
| 23:02.18 | ksk | Unit193: ah okay, thats an interesting fact. |
| 23:02.56 | allan_wind | Hmm... just kinda weird that it is being installed by default if interfaces is the preferred way to manage thing, or maybe it's just a systemd dependency |
| 23:03.22 | ksk | I myself tend to like /etc/network/interfaces, but looking at the ease of configuration systemd brought us so far (cronjobs, sys-v replacement, logging) migrating away from it might be not a bad idea.. |
| 23:03.42 | ksk | allan_wind: do you have a desktop installed? Gnome and such always choose to bring NM |
| 23:04.01 | allan_wind | nm works nicely for wifi, btw, but it seems to auto connect... so wondering if it would do that if I have a wired connection too (I don't have a wired connection to test with right noiw) |
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| 23:04.25 | allan_wind | ksk: well, not really, I use xmonad |
| 23:05.08 | ksk | if you have aptitude installed: "aptitude why network-manager" |
| 23:05.51 | ksk | Im not a linux desktop guy, but I suppose it will prefer wired over wifi connections. |
| 23:06.28 | ksk | (and if I used a dekstop, I choose activly to not use network-manager, do not like.) |
| 23:06.28 | allan_wind | ksk: I read somewhere that it will fire up both wired and wireless which would be problematic |
| 23:06.49 | ksk | no Idea. |
| 23:07.04 | ksk | there can only be one defalt route anyway, so.. |
| 23:07.51 | allan_wind | ksk: installed aptitude and it seems to tell me that lightdm pulled in nm |
| 23:08.12 | ksk | I think you should trust it on this ;) |
| 23:09.31 | allan_wind | ksk: yeah, I don't mind nm, actually, just don't want to get in the way. Managing wifi manually with wpa_supplicant is painful. wicd works nicely too |
| 23:09.50 | ksk | yeah, having to hash the password on a shell etc is not too portable. |
| 23:10.05 | ksk | used wicd back in the day. |
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| 23:13.13 | allan_wind | ksk: what do you do now? |
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| 23:14.09 | ksk | I do not run a linux desktop at the moment. |
| 23:15.16 | ksk | and network/interfaces on servers mostly. |
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