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| 01:25.21 | Deihmos | anyone using the gnome desktop enviroment? How can I add folders to the desktop? tweak tools does not have the desktop option |
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| 01:26.40 | GeneralDiscourse | Seriously? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=914179 |
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| 01:27.11 | N0Lif3 | anybody using the kde desktop environment? how's the Windows 7-style "program launcher in taskbar that becomes a tab for that program" treating you? |
| 01:27.35 | GeneralDiscourse | N0Lif3: Alt+F2 runner is your friend |
| 01:28.22 | N0Lif3 | what |
| 01:28.46 | GeneralDiscourse | > how's the Windows 7-style |
| 01:28.46 | GeneralDiscourse | wut? I have no idea what that is |
| 01:29.03 | GeneralDiscourse | >program launcher |
| 01:29.03 | GeneralDiscourse | Alt+F2 |
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| 01:29.29 | GeneralDiscourse | N0Lif3: Alt+F2, runner is your friend |
| 01:29.40 | GeneralDiscourse | Does that change it, any? |
| 01:30.54 | N0Lif3 | I asked sincerely and described it as best as I could, last time I used KDE it was very shoddy. |
| 01:31.26 | outoftime | Deihmos: speak to UbuntuGnome users, maybe dev team to find out what they did. Maybe they changed source code a bit. |
| 01:31.39 | N0Lif3 | I would click a program on the taskbar and it would register as a "hold" as my program icons would get pulled around |
| 01:32.14 | N0Lif3 | it drove me crazy to the point where I couldn't stand to use kde anymore |
| 01:33.38 | outoftime | N0Lif3: you can always join i3wm users (: |
| 01:34.29 | N0Lif3 | I like the desktop environments that try to be a clone of Windows7. I know that is a bad word in a place like that, but I'm an old dog who likes that desktop UI the best |
| 01:34.51 | N0Lif3 | budgie is my top choice at the moment |
| 01:34.58 | N0Lif3 | but even budgie has problems |
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| 01:40.42 | Deihmos | outoftime: there is no way to do this by default? |
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| 01:41.30 | Deihmos | http://i.imgur.com/2jd43Br.png |
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| 01:43.15 | maxrazer | I am supposed to put locally built binaries in /usr/local/bin right? But when I run the program it can't write to that directory. |
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| 01:51.51 | ksk | maxrazer: programmes are not supposed to write data to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 01:52.10 | maxrazer | ksk, Good point I just realized. |
| 01:52.21 | maxrazer | That that was the wrong structure, so that makes sense. |
| 01:52.28 | maxrazer | I put that in share. |
| 01:52.38 | ksk | eh, no? |
| 01:52.48 | ksk | you would write in the calling users home directory. |
| 01:53.11 | ksk | if its like "data to your program" |
| 01:53.21 | ksk | compare to how all other debian tools do that. |
| 01:53.24 | maxrazer | Really? There is /usr/local/share |
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| 01:53.55 | maxrazer | And /usr/local/games |
| 01:54.10 | ksk | "Local application data that can be shared among different architectures of the same OS." |
| 01:54.26 | maxrazer | so maybe put the executable or link in the /usr/local/games that links to /usr/local/share where the real binary is with the files |
| 01:54.33 | ksk | I mean, its up to you in the end, but I would not find that suitable. Also, only root can write there. |
| 01:54.47 | maxrazer | The executable is going to look for data files in a sub directory, so I can't put them seperate. |
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| 01:55.14 | maxrazer | I was trying to put the executable in a place that is the default path so I coule easily run it. |
| 01:55.28 | maxrazer | But, you say use the home folder, maybe create a games folder there. |
| 01:55.51 | ksk | If you just want to run it easily, you can put an alias into your bashrc ;) |
| 01:56.22 | ksk | and keep the strange tool somewhere in your homedir. But as I said, its totally up to you :p |
| 01:56.29 | ksk | man hier - if you want some historical reference ;) |
| 01:56.55 | maxrazer | I could create ~/Games/Gamename/game-executable |
| 01:57.21 | maxrazer | Create a .desktop icon too. |
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| 01:59.20 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I wouldl ike to know how can I have got the man pages in two languages (english +Spanish) and how to configurate to access them in either one or other language in a system and per user basis |
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| 02:02.38 | ksk | Resilience: there are serveral packages available, for example "manpages-de" wich would contain german manpages |
| 02:03.15 | ksk | I suppose the environment variable $LANG of every user will define which manpages he will get to see - if you have the corresponding package installed. |
| 02:03.23 | Resilience | ksk right, that would install the manpages in German (I woul dlike Spanish man pages, I assume it is amnpages-es) |
| 02:03.33 | Resilience | ksk SLANG? and wuld not change any other thing? |
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| 02:04.19 | ksk | Id like to add that I have always been very doubtful about localized manpages. Sometimes (most times I took a look at a german manpage) things get lost in translations, and that is not cool if you want to know "the real deal" by looking into a manpage |
| 02:04.33 | ksk | Resilience: it will change other things, too. |
| 02:05.10 | ksk | Resilience: take a look at "man man" - search for languages - that should cover it far better than I can do. |
| 02:05.12 | Resilience | ksk I do dislike profoundly localized packages, but I am teachin linux and almost all of my pupils want and need Spanish man pages |
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| 02:08.00 | JordiGH | I'm still trying to figure out how to boot old laptop drive from new laptop. Both are Debian... |
| 02:08.25 | JordiGH | The old drive is now an external usb disk via one of those boxes you can buy for laptop drives to plug in your disk. |
| 02:08.35 | JordiGH | I see everything there. There's a boot partition, my actual partition... |
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| 02:08.57 | JordiGH | It's just my old laptop drive. I bet if my old laptop hadn't died, I could just plug it in back into my old laptop and boot again. |
| 02:09.05 | mnathani | I have multiple debian vms freshly installed, but am unable to ping within the same LAN |
| 02:09.21 | mnathani | I can ping external hosts just fine, with either hostname or IP |
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| 02:09.28 | JordiGH | But from new laptop, on which I've disabled secure boot, trying to select the now-external old drive at boot time just does nothing. |
| 02:09.30 | dvs | JordiGH, so copying the drive over to the new drive doesn't work? |
| 02:09.55 | JordiGH | dvs: The new drive is in fact my work laptop. Got all my work stuff here. I don't want to overwrite it. |
| 02:10.19 | JordiGH | I wonder if I need to reinstall grub on the disk since it's now an external drive or something? |
| 02:11.24 | Resilience | JordiGH, why won't you installa fes debian system in he other disk and then mount the old disk from the usb case and copy everything? |
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| 02:14.31 | JordiGH | I already did that. |
| 02:14.39 | JordiGH | But I want to actually run stuff from the old disk. |
| 02:14.51 | dvs | from the enclosure? |
| 02:14.56 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 02:15.03 | JordiGH | chroot doesn't work quite right for some reason. |
| 02:15.17 | mnathani | nvm I was mixing subnets 10.30/16 and 172.30/16 |
| 02:15.19 | JordiGH | When I chroot in there and run evolution, it says something about not being able to allocate memory. |
| 02:15.34 | JordiGH | I also want to understand, why isn't it bootable? |
| 02:15.39 | JordiGH | I mean, I can make a usb stick bootable. |
| 02:15.44 | JordiGH | Why is this drive now not bootable? |
| 02:16.19 | JordiGH | I wonder if it's got something to do with uefi. |
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| 02:16.38 | JordiGH | Are usb sticks made in a special way so they'll boot from uefi laptops? |
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| 02:16.44 | JordiGH | My old laptop didn't have uefi. It was that old. |
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| 02:17.25 | JordiGH | Do I have to chroot into the old drive, copy over the important parts of /proc and so forth, and run grub-install from the chroot? |
| 02:17.54 | ksk | !chroot |
| 02:17.54 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 02:18.13 | ksk | dont copy, you need to use bindmounts. see the faqtoid. |
| 02:18.18 | JordiGH | Think that'll work? |
| 02:18.34 | JordiGH | If I can just properly run evolution from the chroot, that's really all I want. I don't need to reboot. |
| 02:19.22 | JordiGH | Let me try. |
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| 02:22.28 | JordiGH | Hm, same error. |
| 02:22.34 | JordiGH | "Failed to create shared memory file /WK2SharedMemory.393961030: Permission denied" |
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| 02:24.37 | JordiGH | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1349804 |
| 02:24.46 | JordiGH | Huh, should I chmod /dev/shm inside the chroot? |
| 02:26.25 | JordiGH | Hey, that seems to have worked. |
| 02:27.02 | JordiGH | Yay my email is back. |
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| 02:38.54 | JordiGH | No, not quite. |
| 02:39.00 | JordiGH | Evolution really wants to run inside Gnome. |
| 02:39.14 | JordiGH | Or something. |
| 02:39.41 | JordiGH | My non-chroot X server is on Cinnamon. |
| 02:39.53 | JordiGH | And the chrooted Evolution doesn't know where to save auth. |
| 02:39.56 | JordiGH | So I can't send email. |
| 02:40.00 | JordiGH | I could receive it, though. |
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| 02:48.16 | JordiGH | Man, what perms should I put on /dev/shm? |
| 02:48.29 | JordiGH | I think I may have messed up the host /dev/shm when modifying the chrooted /dev/shm? |
| 02:49.14 | fling | JordiGH: or maybe you want to try lxd which does all the things for you |
| 02:49.31 | JordiGH | What's lxd? |
| 02:49.49 | fling | JordiGH: a hypervisor for lxcontainers |
| 02:49.54 | JordiGH | wat |
| 02:50.12 | JordiGH | What kind of moonspeak are you jibbering? |
| 02:50.31 | fling | I think it is time to replace chroots with lxd. |
| 02:52.39 | JordiGH | Is that gonna allow me to run stuff from my old laptop's drive which is now an external drive to my new laptop? |
| 02:53.08 | ksk | why would you do that in the first place |
| 02:53.08 | JordiGH | I'm kind of tempted to try mounting the chroot again and running grub to see if that's why the external drive isn't bootable. |
| 02:53.15 | ksk | you seem to be havin that problem for days now.. |
| 02:53.17 | JordiGH | It probably does need uefi stuff. |
| 02:53.29 | JordiGH | ksk: Because I want to be able to access my old laptpo like I used to. |
| 02:53.30 | ksk | just copy over your data, and use the new laptop!? |
| 02:53.37 | JordiGH | The new laptop is my work laptop. |
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| 02:53.41 | JordiGH | I can't copy over my data. |
| 02:53.47 | JordiGH | The old data should stay separate. |
| 02:53.56 | JordiGH | In a separate drive that I won't have to turn in after I leave this job. |
| 02:54.14 | ksk | but mounting it on the work laptop, and accessing that mount, will likewise be a policy violation - if there is such a policy :> |
| 02:54.33 | JordiGH | Nah, they're just gonna want the laptop back after I leave. |
| 02:54.34 | dvs | no kidding |
| 02:54.40 | JordiGH | It's not that formal. |
| 02:54.53 | JordiGH | I wanna keep it separate, okay? |
| 02:54.57 | ksk | so, delete the stuff? It was normal here, that IT dudes only give back wiped hardware.. |
| 02:55.07 | ksk | okay. |
| 02:55.53 | JordiGH | I need to figure out that uefi stuff again, that really must be it. |
| 02:56.16 | ksk | I could understand that for things like "I wanna watch that video on my new laptop" but rather not for "I want to run old programmes, that used to run in my old desktop" |
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| 04:30.01 | N0Lif3 | strange, you have the option to open a ".deb" file with Apper, but if you try to do it to install the package, nothing happens |
| 04:31.42 | N0Lif3 | I don't feel like I should be obligated to google the dpkg install terminal command on the rare occasion I have to do this. |
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| 04:33.44 | themill | has no idea what apper is, but gdebi works |
| 04:33.59 | N0Lif3 | my god, why is debian still so backwards? |
| 04:34.30 | themill | Debian is backwards because you've installed some program that we don't know about? |
| 04:34.48 | N0Lif3 | I come to revisit debian every so often and they can't even automatically configure the primary user of the computer to the Sudoers list |
| 04:35.12 | themill | um, that's automatic if you don't set a root password, exactly as it says in the installer |
| 04:35.18 | N0Lif3 | I think it's stupid how you have to spend several hours in the terminal to configure a Debian installation |
| 04:35.28 | themill | send patches. |
| 04:35.36 | themill | Bored now. |
| 04:40.13 | N0Lif3 | I did set a root password. |
| 04:41.28 | N0Lif3 | debian has done nothing to fix the fact that you're obligated to bust out the terminal and edit system files to get the machine WORKING |
| 04:41.54 | themill | Are you finished or are you going to do something useful about this? |
| 04:42.12 | N0Lif3 | that's my feedback |
| 04:42.18 | themill | which is useless |
| 04:42.46 | themill | So are you going to do something meaningful about this or do you just want to rant? |
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| 04:48.24 | N0Lif3 | it's not, how about 1.) not giving the user the option to open a deb with Apper, since it does nothing. 2.) Automatically add user to the Sudoers list 3.) Make Wine work from the software manager alone, you're forced to use a command outside of the to get Wine32. That's just in the short while I've installed debian. |
| 04:48.58 | themill | No seriously, it's not useful to have people ranting in #debian. You may as well do so in /dev/null |
| 04:49.35 | themill | If you want bug to be fixed, you have to report them to the bts. |
| 04:49.44 | N0Lif3 | where's bts |
| 04:49.46 | themill | Also, (2) is your lack of reading. |
| 04:50.11 | themill | (1) is because KDE has designed Apper for KDE management not for Debian packages. |
| 04:50.27 | N0Lif3 | why is it a default option then? |
| 04:50.36 | themill | no idea, it's crap |
| 04:50.58 | themill | it's probably good for installing kde themes etc |
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| 05:18.08 | over7head | what repository i need in stretch for firmware-realtek and firmware-intel ? |
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| 05:18.34 | over7head | i found only for jessie on google |
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| 05:20.17 | over7head | i found it |
| 05:20.22 | over7head | forget |
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| 05:24.26 | over7head | when i delete an repository from spources.list will apt update remove that source tree? |
| 05:25.38 | over7head | i just want ot use x repository temporary for one packgae, and i must run apt update after add it |
| 05:26.02 | over7head | so when i install package and remove repo... will it be updated nest time |
| 05:26.34 | Antioch | Does anyone know where I can find the docker-default apparmor profile? Docs say it should be in /etc/apparmor.d/ but it's not. |
| 05:27.09 | over7head | in other words, does "apt update" clears previously updated repos if they are removed ? |
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| 05:31.14 | diogenes_ | Antioch, find / -type f 2>/dev/null | grep --color=always docker |
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| 05:34.20 | agio | over7head: yes, it should remove the entries from /var/lib/apt/lists, you can show your configured sources with: apt-cache policy |
| 05:35.15 | Antioch | the profile is supposedly called "docker-default" but find doesn't hit anything |
| 05:36.40 | diogenes_ | look for docker ocurrences if there's nothin then there's nothing |
| 05:36.40 | over7head | agio thanks |
| 05:37.15 | agio | np |
| 05:37.35 | Antioch | but apparmor (aa-status) says the profile is loaded |
| 05:37.37 | over7head | is there a way to dont install some xorg parts... iv try to hold amd radeon and wayland and now it cant install xorg because xorg-server-core cant be installed |
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| 05:39.56 | over7head | i can unhold them, but i will like to avoid amd and nvidia drivers |
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| 05:42.36 | over7head | xorg depends on mesa dri, mesa dri depends on amd noveau and radeon |
| 05:42.42 | over7head | i need only intel |
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| 05:46.53 | over7head | seems only building xorg can solve those deps :( |
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| 06:43.48 | SwK | anyone know the work around for this error on deb 8 with a asrockrack mobo? "EFI variables are not supported on this system" |
| 06:44.08 | SwK | efivars lkm is loaded |
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| 06:56.07 | akabuddy | im trying to compile a program and im getting fatal error: hid.h: No such file or directory, this file seems to be on my system. im not real familiar with what to do |
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| 06:58.28 | shtrb | ,file hid.h |
| 06:58.32 | judd | Search for hid.h in stretch/amd64: [truncated] linux-libc-dev: usr/include/linux/hid.h, usr/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-arm64-cross: usr/aarch64-linux-gnu/include/linux/hid.h, usr/aarch64-linux-gnu/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-armhf-cross: usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include/linux/hid.h, usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-alpha-cross: usr/alpha-linux- |
| 06:58.33 | judd | gnu/include/linux/hid.h, usr/alpha-linux-gnu/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-mips64-cross: usr/mips64-linux-gnuabi64/include/linux/hid.h; linux-libc-dev-hppa-cross: usr/hppa-linux-gnu/include/linux/hid.h, usr/hppa-linux-gnu/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-armel-cross: usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include/linux/hid.h, usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include/linux/uhid.h; linux-libc-dev-m68k-cross: usr (2 more messages) |
| 06:58.44 | shtrb | akabuddy, ^ |
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| 07:00.05 | akabuddy | ok, what should i do with this info ? |
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| 07:00.29 | shtrb | install libc-dev for your arch |
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| 07:01.20 | shtrb | Sorry, didn't have my tea yet. you had that file and you just adjust your include path to list it. |
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| 07:11.34 | akabuddy | shtrb yea im still having issues, ill have to come back. its source from a few years ago for hardware that long discontinued |
| 07:11.55 | shtrb | it could be that your build system need an update |
| 07:12.16 | akabuddy | i just installed most of it today to do just this |
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| 07:20.59 | shtrb | CMake , autoconf ? make file ? what is your build system |
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| 07:24.52 | gokuls | Hi Room i am trying to port Debian on HP Tablet device but camera is not working - HP Camera sensor ov2722 |
| 07:25.05 | gokuls | any help |
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| 07:27.14 | diogenes_ | gokuls, maybe you need the non-free iso or even a newer kernel. |
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| 07:28.44 | gokuls | diogenes_, i am running it on 4.17.19 |
| 07:29.23 | gokuls | also tried it on 4.14.104 |
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| 07:33.10 | shtrb | gokuls, is it listed in lsusb ? |
| 07:33.41 | jelly | that will be a device-specific driver issue, if the device supports _any_ linux you may try using their kernel |
| 07:34.11 | shtrb | and did you add non-free repo for apt, this device is listed from android 4 so it should be supported in modern kernel |
| 07:34.52 | gokuls | shtrb, no its not listed in lsusb |
| 07:35.07 | shtrb | jelly, if it's listed in https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/x86/+/android-x86-grant-3.10-marshmallow-mr1-wear-release/drivers/external_drivers/camera/drivers/media/i2c/ov2722.c?autodive=0%2F%2F%2F%2F it should be in the listed no ? |
| 07:35.18 | shtrb | gokuls, do you get any errors in dmesg -T ? |
| 07:36.00 | jelly | shtrb: debian != android |
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| 07:36.13 | shtrb | What ? no ! I thought it's the same |
| 07:37.21 | jelly | device driver may exist but connectivity might not be solved (usb? i2c? something else?) |
| 07:38.11 | gokuls | let me post the dmesg errors |
| 07:38.12 | shtrb | gokuls, can you list your lsusb and lspci output in paste.debian.net |
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| 07:38.23 | shtrb | and the errors also in paste.debian.et |
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| 07:38.41 | gokuls | shtrb, sure |
| 07:39.58 | jelly | best bet is to hunt for device support for _any_ linux distro (not android) on web and use their solutions |
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| 07:42.04 | shtrb | ,v file ov2722.c |
| 07:42.05 | judd | Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u2; sid: 1:5.35-2; buster: 1:5.35-4 |
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| 07:43.25 | shtrb | ,v file ov2722.ko |
| 07:43.26 | judd | Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u2; sid: 1:5.35-2; buster: 1:5.35-4 |
| 07:43.49 | shtrb | shouldn't judd list the package name here ? |
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| 07:45.09 | jelly | tell it just ,file |
| 07:45.22 | jelly | no v |
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| 07:46.57 | shtrb | ,file ov2722.ko |
| 07:47.01 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 07:47.06 | shtrb | thanks jelly |
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| 07:48.32 | gokuls | shtrb, https://pastebin.com/tcQDdR3Z |
| 07:48.40 | gokuls | output of lspci and lsusb |
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| 07:49.18 | jelly | that "i2c/" in source path is a clue the device might be connected over i2c |
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| 07:53.05 | gokuls | shtrb, https://pastebin.com/cWMJXwN8 |
| 07:53.10 | gokuls | jelly, https://pastebin.com/cWMJXwN8 |
| 07:54.15 | jelly | so the driver is present and detects something, but does not quite set things up properly |
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| 07:56.57 | gokuls | as per driver TODO there is a limitation check https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.15.18/source/drivers/staging/media/atomisp/TODO |
| 07:57.42 | gokuls | if it uses acpi |
| 07:59.53 | gokuls | https://pastebin.com/h7Gc79ZP |
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| 08:06.20 | gokuls | Any help |
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| 11:22.14 | tomreyn | jpcooper: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gcc-doc states that this is a metapackage which is in "contrib", which is linked to this explanation: "The contrib archive area contains supplemental packages intended to work with the Debian distribution, but which require software outside of the distribution to either build or function." |
| 11:23.26 | tomreyn | jpcooper: gcc-doc (also according to the packages.debian.org website) depends on https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gcc-6-doc where the package description states "This documentation is licensed under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, and contains invariant sections, so it can't be part of Debian main." |
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| 11:24.12 | tomreyn | you could also use "apt depends" and "apt show" to gather this information on your terminal. |
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| 11:28.30 | wwilliam | hello |
| 11:28.51 | wwilliam | this is not a debian question but i know someone here could help.... |
| 11:29.03 | wwilliam | can anyone point why this command is not rsyncing 'Cantor/Confirms/*.pdf'? |
| 11:29.13 | wwilliam | rsync -avzhe 'ssh' --include '*.pdf' --include 'Cantor/Confirms/*.pdf' --exclude '*' root@10.2.0.137:/week46/tmp.rpt/ . |
| 11:31.00 | wwilliam | I only need the pdfs in /week46/tmp.rpt/ and the pdfs in /week46/tmp.rpt/Cantor/Confirms/ |
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| 11:39.00 | jpcooper | Thanks tomreyn |
| 11:39.57 | jpcooper | tomreyn: Is it possible to enable non-free and contrib on a per-package basis? |
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| 11:41.11 | tomreyn | jpcooper: you can use apt pinning |
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| 11:46.49 | jpcooper | Thanks |
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| 12:39.51 | areyouloco | silly steps report: i was wondering why my raspbian sd card is dd'ing so long and why my system is so slow because of that and then I realise I was making image of my primary drive to my primary drive. I am happy I realised after 10GB passed. HINT: check 5 times the source and destination of dd. |
| 12:40.59 | Haohmaru | i always blink for 10 seconds before hitting Enter on a linux terminal with root privileges |
| 12:43.08 | areyouloco | Haohmaru: echo "Great move!" && rm -Rv / ? :D |
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| 12:50.46 | babilen5 | areyouloco: fwiw, if all you want is an image of the entire drive you can use cp in lieu of dd and enjoy a much simpler syntax and automatic blocksize scaling |
| 12:51.46 | areyouloco | babilen5: thx but I want strictly image to be able to restore it as is |
| 12:52.05 | babilen5 | Yes, exactly |
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| 12:52.14 | babilen5 | Why would using cp prevent you from that? |
| 12:52.43 | babilen5 | "cp /dev/foo foo.img" is all you need. dd doesn't have any superpowers |
| 12:52.49 | babilen5 | "everything is a file" |
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| 12:55.59 | queip | from shell, how to send a short text email? I have a real email account on some server that I wish to use for the sending (it uses TLS in SMTP, and I have password and username for it) |
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| 12:56.21 | mutante | queip: echo | mail ... |
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| 12:57.05 | mutante | queip: oh, eh. ok. well that will only work after the local mail system is already configured to use that external server.. nevermind |
| 12:57.27 | vlt | queip: ssmtp could be such a system. |
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| 12:59.01 | queip | mutante: can that be easily configured? can I just paste somewhere the credentials of the 1 account on "real email server"? |
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| 12:59.20 | queip | vlt: well I do not want to set up full elaborated email server on such compute, it is quite a lot of work |
| 12:59.28 | colo-work | ssmtp isn't in buster any more, afair |
| 12:59.39 | colo-work | ,v ssmtp |
| 12:59.40 | judd | Package: ssmtp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.64-7; jessie: 2.64-8; sid: 2.64-8+b2; stretch: 2.64-8+b2 |
| 12:59.47 | colo-work | ,v nullmailer |
| 12:59.48 | judd | Package: nullmailer on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.11-2; jessie: 1:1.13-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.13-1.2; stretch-backports: 1:2.1-7~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.2-3; sid: 1:2.2-3 |
| 12:59.55 | colo-work | might be a choice better |
| 13:00.23 | ttewr | Hello, somehow I get very slow write speed for my SSD(Luks2): https://paste.debian.net/1073236/ does someone has an idea how this can happen? |
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| 13:01.05 | queip | so there is no command line SMTP (+TLS) client then? |
| 13:01.20 | queip | nullmailer seems something complex too, with writting down IP of clients on the server... wat |
| 13:01.22 | mutante | queip: maybe "mutt" then |
| 13:01.31 | mutante | that is commandline and should be able to |
| 13:01.34 | queip | mutante: it can work in batch mode, in script? |
| 13:01.43 | mutante | i dont think so :/ |
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| 13:02.33 | vlt | queip: Well, if you "do not want to set up full elaborated email server" then ssmtp/nullmailer might be exactly what you need. |
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| 13:02.43 | mutante | queip: you gotta use openssl client manually. like at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27030605/smtp-starttls-certificate-negotitiation-via-telnet |
| 13:03.21 | mutante | or what vlt said |
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| 13:20.20 | bedah | hi, i have a strange problem with inkscape on shell in debian 9: https://dpaste.de/ifYJ |
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| 13:27.47 | colo-work | bedah, what is the problem in particular? |
| 13:27.57 | colo-work | (the GTK warnings are nothing out of the ordinary, afaik) |
| 13:28.54 | bedah | ah ok. so this warning is only a distraction. then the problem is somewhere in php/apache2/etc, where this gets called, there is another error |
| 13:29.21 | bedah | "error while loading shared libraries: libgraphite2.so.3: failed to map segment from shared object " |
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| 13:30.30 | bedah | but thanks for your hint concerning the GTK warning |
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| 13:31.08 | bedah | "CRITICAL **" is a bit hysterical for a warning ;D |
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| 14:14.43 | kreyren | i'm getting ```/bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory``` when i invoke `chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash` assuming that /mnt/gentoo/lib64/libreadline.so.8 is present i suspect that it's debian missing this lib which is confirmed in /lib* -> What is the correct COA to fix it? Seems that this lib is deprecated in debian -> |
| 14:14.48 | kreyren | Should i copy it from gentoo? |
| 14:15.42 | mawk | your stuff is weird |
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| 14:15.47 | kreyren | wut |
| 14:15.47 | mawk | it should load libs from the chroot |
| 14:15.52 | mawk | not from the parent |
| 14:15.56 | mawk | unless I missed an episode on chroot() |
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| 14:16.28 | mawk | the /sbin/chroot binary does chroot() to the directory, the directory becomes the new /, the new ld.so is used, the new libs are used |
| 14:16.31 | greycat | Your gentoo chroot should contain a gentoo bash and a gentoo libc and a gentoo readline and it should all work together. |
| 14:16.32 | mawk | not the parent's libs |
| 14:16.52 | kreyren | checking ty for info |
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| 14:18.58 | kreyren | confirmed gentoo issue. |
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| 14:19.50 | mawk | well a chroot isn't a classic environment kreyren |
| 14:20.07 | mawk | it's not sufficent to boot a system (in a container fashion) |
| 14:20.17 | mawk | but such errors must come from the underlying distro yes |
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| 14:38.53 | JustASlacker | Im too stupid to install debian |
| 14:39.28 | jelly | that's how we filter only the smart users |
| 14:39.34 | JustASlacker | nods |
| 14:39.44 | JustASlacker | sensible approach |
| 14:40.29 | ksk | I think if you just want to install "default debian" you can press "next" on like every installer page - just like installing M$ windows ;) |
| 14:42.22 | JustASlacker | I dont see any disks is my problem |
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| 14:44.36 | Tenkawa | JustASlacker: dont see "any"? |
| 14:44.45 | JustASlacker | the installer does not see them |
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| 14:44.48 | Tenkawa | what kind of computer? |
| 14:44.56 | JustASlacker | I can drop into the shell and see sda and sdb |
| 14:45.13 | JustASlacker | some supermicro crap |
| 14:45.18 | Tenkawa | ahhhhhh |
| 14:45.34 | Tenkawa | you have them in use already |
| 14:45.39 | JustASlacker | how so? |
| 14:45.55 | Tenkawa | which media did you boot from? |
| 14:45.59 | JustASlacker | I mean, its a system that was in use before |
| 14:46.02 | JustASlacker | cd-ron |
| 14:46.05 | JustASlacker | cd-rom even |
| 14:46.10 | colo-work | my old pal ron! |
| 14:46.20 | JustASlacker | yeah, everybody likes ron |
| 14:46.27 | ksk | ronald weasly? |
| 14:46.49 | colo-work | JustASlacker, what do you have in /sys/block/? more than those two? |
| 14:46.51 | Tenkawa | right... in the installer did you select simple or manual? |
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| 14:47.04 | colo-work | (and what kind of device are you _expecting_ to see?) |
| 14:47.33 | Tenkawa | colo-work: it probably is wanting to install it along aside the rest |
| 14:47.48 | JustASlacker | Tenkawa: simple or manual for the partitioning? I dont see that |
| 14:48.04 | JustASlacker | colo-work: well, Id like to see sda and sdb :) |
| 14:49.02 | throwthecheese | Can somebody tell me how can I supress the OSD LOCKED messages on my LG monitor permanently? |
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| 14:50.28 | Tenkawa | let me grab my installer just a sec |
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| 14:51.19 | Tenkawa | debian installer should ask you questions before you even get to the disk stage |
| 14:52.30 | JustASlacker | it goes "Detect disk" and in the partition menu,the only option is iscsi |
| 14:52.46 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 14:52.48 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 14:52.58 | Tenkawa | so it did get to that point |
| 14:53.11 | Tenkawa | hmmm |
| 14:53.40 | JustASlacker | then I was like O_o |
| 14:53.44 | JustASlacker | and got me a shell |
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| 14:53.53 | Tenkawa | in that shell |
| 14:53.54 | JustASlacker | and fdisk -l shows sda and sdb |
| 14:54.02 | JustASlacker | so I went to parted |
| 14:54.12 | Tenkawa | do a df -m |
| 14:54.18 | babilen5 | Which installer do you use? |
| 14:54.27 | JustASlacker | all of them |
| 14:54.28 | Tenkawa | babilen5: also a good q |
| 14:54.56 | Tenkawa | JustASlacker: it didnt try to mount to mount those inadvertantly did it? |
| 14:55.05 | babilen5 | all of them? |
| 14:55.16 | babilen5 | I doubt that .. can you be more specific? |
| 14:55.24 | Tenkawa | babilen5: i asked him to do a df -m |
| 14:55.33 | Tenkawa | to see if sda and sdb were mounted |
| 14:55.43 | Tenkawa | the partitions |
| 14:55.56 | JustASlacker | Im not on the system anymore. right now Im updating my cv and looking for a new job raising pigs |
| 14:55.58 | Tenkawa | sometimes automount |
| 14:56.08 | JustASlacker | I try again later |
| 14:56.11 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 14:56.13 | JustASlacker | but thanks :) |
| 14:56.18 | Tenkawa | good luck |
| 14:56.27 | JustASlacker | with the pig job you mean? |
| 14:56.35 | Tenkawa | all of it |
| 14:56.39 | JustASlacker | nods |
| 14:56.42 | JustASlacker | thanks |
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| 14:57.06 | Tenkawa | knows the frustration |
| 14:57.14 | Tenkawa | notes both |
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| 14:57.32 | JustASlacker | well, coworker is trying again later. otherwise I try again on monday |
| 14:57.36 | JustASlacker | also, ipmi sucks |
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| 14:57.41 | Tenkawa | grew up in a tomato farming family |
| 14:57.47 | JustASlacker | sounds nice |
| 14:58.02 | Tenkawa | not 200 acres 25 years ago |
| 14:58.46 | Tenkawa | didnt even have a atv wheeler till I was a teen |
| 14:59.21 | JustASlacker | yeah there is that whole hard labor thingy, which is a bummer |
| 14:59.36 | Tenkawa | yeah but it I learned a lot |
| 15:00.01 | Tenkawa | and I had great family teaching me |
| 15:00.22 | Tenkawa | that helps tons |
| 15:00.42 | Tenkawa | btw... theres debug flags you can turn on for the boot |
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| 15:00.59 | Tenkawa | add verbose to the cmdline |
| 15:01.13 | Tenkawa | that might help figure out where the partitions are going |
| 15:02.04 | Tenkawa | in dmesg something might indicate whats causing/triggering a problem |
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| 15:02.51 | otyugh | hey there. I'm stuck on the usage of live-build recently. Everything work but the installer. When trying to start it I get the following warning "Error: '/install/gtk/vmlinuz' not found". I don't know what to do :( |
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| 15:06.22 | JustASlacker | Tenkawa: thx. as I said, Ill probably wrestle with it on monday |
| 15:06.30 | JustASlacker | for now its weekend \o/ |
| 15:06.48 | dropkick500 | Reading up on it, i'm guessing it might have something to do with grub? GO ahead and run sudo update-grub and see what happens |
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| 15:14.22 | jhutchins_wk | otyugh: The installer on the live images has been known to have problems. We recommend using either the main DVD image or the Netinstall image. |
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| 15:20.20 | shtrb | how can I find when a file/package was removed ? tpacpi-bat and acpi-call |
| 15:20.39 | greycat | there's /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 15:20.48 | shtrb | from debian I mean |
| 15:20.53 | shtrb | *from the repository |
| 15:21.02 | greycat | ,v tpacpi-bat |
| 15:21.04 | judd | No package named 'tpacpi-bat' was found in amd64. |
| 15:21.08 | greycat | "long time ago" |
| 15:21.15 | shtrb | ,v file tpaci-bat |
| 15:21.16 | judd | Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u2; sid: 1:5.35-2; buster: 1:5.35-4 |
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| 15:21.21 | shtrb | ,file tpacpi-bat |
| 15:21.24 | judd | Search for tpacpi-bat in stretch/amd64: tlp: usr/share/tlp-pm/tpacpi-bat |
| 15:21.51 | greycat | "you didn't get the right package name" |
| 15:22.12 | shtrb | facepalm |
| 15:22.13 | shtrb | sorry |
| 15:22.30 | shtrb | ,v acpi-call |
| 15:22.32 | judd | No package named 'acpi-call' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:22.34 | shtrb | ,v acpicall |
| 15:22.35 | judd | No package named 'acpicall' was found in amd64. |
| 15:23.00 | jelly | are you looking for packages or files? |
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| 15:23.27 | shtrb | package, this perl script need acpi-call to work |
| 15:23.28 | otyugh | jhutchins_wk argh. Okay, thanks |
| 15:23.35 | shtrb | maybe it was just merged into tlp |
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| 15:24.28 | shtrb | Ok , I got my answer , "# Supports 2011-released thinkpads" the file was not updated for a whie |
| 15:26.17 | jelly | it is unlikely that a random script needs a _package_ |
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| 15:27.46 | Mathisen | for the future "apt-file search foobar" can come in handy |
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| 15:28.23 | shtrb | Mathisen, lest I checked it was only with the mirrors you have. I was searching when it was gone from support (when in fact it was just not updated) |
| 15:28.32 | shtrb | I was searching wrong |
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| 15:30.30 | shtrb | !acpi_call |
| 15:30.48 | shtrb | dpkg, acpi_call is you need to find acpi_call_dkms and maybe tlp |
| 15:30.49 | dpkg | shtrb: okay |
| 15:30.54 | shtrb | !acpi_call |
| 15:30.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, acpi_call is you need to find acpi_call_dkms and maybe tlp |
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| 15:31.31 | shtrb | thanks jelly and Mathisen I have found what I needed |
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| 15:36.26 | shtrb | Anyone can explain in laymen terms what on earth is "inhibit charge" ? <tlp> |
| 15:37.23 | shtrb | from the manual <inhibit> 1 for inhibit charge, 0 for stop inhibiting charge. |
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| 15:41.47 | trysten | shtrb: if it's what it looks to be, enable inhibit_charge to prevent your device from charging |
| 15:42.03 | shtrb | but what is this thing ? |
| 15:42.46 | jelly | "stop filling battery with trickle charge because it destroys it long term" |
| 15:43.20 | jelly | (implication) "when you know the system's going to be on AC power for a long time anyway" |
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| 15:43.44 | rwp | When the battery becomes full then extra charge can only be converted into heat. Or the battery must out-gas loosing chemistry. Therefore stop doing that. |
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| 15:44.27 | jelly | smarter OSes usually make the cutoff point at 80-85-90% of full charge |
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| 15:45.49 | shtrb | thanks , I think firmware is too damn smart as it will not charge the laptop while it's above 95% even if it's plugged in. so it will drop charge to 95% charge to 100% and stop charging again |
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| 15:46.24 | jelly | it's usually not that smart. |
| 15:47.54 | trysten | one would hope there are dedicated circuts to keep each lithium cell from actually overcharging. |
| 15:48.35 | shtrb | Now with the limited charge cycles (300 per battery) you wish to lower it as much as possible |
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| 15:52.12 | rwp | One of the charge problems is detecting that a battery is fully charged. One of the ways is looking for the voltage curve to peek and then drop. If starting at 98% it is very hard to tell if the battery has reached 100% and what happens is it keeps charging until the temperature rises due to the overcharge. Therefore it is better to start from a lower charge so that it can detect the voltage peak and stop at full without going past. |
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| 15:54.52 | shtrb | this I kindd of know (the three step charge), my problem is that I don't wish to let it drop while plugged into AC |
| 15:55.50 | shtrb | I have seen a "workaround" comment, that said if you are going to be plugged to a socket for a long time just remove the battery which I have mental issues with |
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| 15:58.42 | trysten | How could I pin all contrib and non-free packages such they won't be displayed in aptitude |
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| 16:04.28 | diogenes_ | trysten, in aptitude you can lock them too |
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| 16:34.04 | rsully | does networkmanager only write /etc/resolv.conf if dns-nameservers is set or if dhcp sets it? |
| 16:34.57 | rsully | from a debootstrap am I safe to write resolv.conf to setup dns, or is something going to overwrite it? |
| 16:34.58 | greycat | !override dns |
| 16:35.00 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
| 16:35.31 | rsully | thanks will read |
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| 16:37.41 | rsully | OK I think I got it. Regardless of configuring resolvconf.conf, I should _generally_ be safe if etc/networks is setup for static and no dns-nameserver entry is present? |
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| 16:39.29 | greycat | .. what |
| 16:40.07 | greycat | If you did not take any specific steps to protect your resolv.conf, you should just assume that it will be changed every 5 seconds by the whimsy of 37 different daemons. |
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| 16:40.31 | mvanorder | I'm trying to install Citrix receiver on Debian testing, it appears that libwebkit and libwebkitgtk has been removed from the repository. While webkit2 is still there, I'm reading that webkit2 is a completely different API(also different from webkit 2.x which is the newer version of webkit). |
| 16:40.47 | greycat | I don't even know what you meant by "safe". |
| 16:41.00 | mvanorder | Can I simply download the debian 9 .deb files for webkit and install them? |
| 16:41.31 | rsully | greycat this is a debootstrap installation, I am configuring a static network via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:41.40 | greycat | But what result do you want? |
| 16:42.30 | rsully | I want to simply be able to write a nameserver line into /etc/resolv.conf and be confident nothing is going to touch it. It sounds like since I am specifying the interface manually in the interfaces file that NetworkManager will not do anything, and there is no dhcp so dhclient I suspect won't be ran |
| 16:42.58 | rsully | this is on a server, manual installation from debootstrap |
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| 16:43.06 | greycat | If the interface is configured in /e/n/i then Network-Manager shouldn't touch it, but then again, why would you have N-M installed at all? Just remove it. |
| 16:43.32 | rsully | Well I'm a little surprised a debootstrap included it in the first place TBH |
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| 16:48.20 | ksk | which variant did you choose to debootstrap? I can assure you its not part of "minbase". |
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| 16:52.36 | over7head | My network is extremely slow... apt downloads with 40kb speed |
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| 16:53.50 | over7head | Ive set up nameserver in resolv.conf and 127.0.0.1 for licalhost and 127.0.1.1 for domain name in hosts |
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| 16:54.06 | rsully | ksk it was simply a "debootstrap stretch /mnt" - is there page I can read up on varients? |
| 16:54.18 | over7head | Iv revee auto eth0 because im using only wireless |
| 16:54.27 | over7head | What should i check? |
| 16:56.18 | diogenes_ | over7head, the speedtest first and also if no one else is using your bandwidth, noways phones use way more bandwidth than laptops |
| 16:57.06 | over7head | No network speed has no problems... iv just rebooted in other distro and ther it works fine |
| 16:57.24 | greycat | Firmware? Drivers? |
| 16:57.34 | diogenes_ | over7head, then the resolver could be also the mirror |
| 16:57.47 | ksk | rsully: man debootstrap, search for variant.. |
| 16:58.02 | ksk | not sure if it says which parts each variant contains though. |
| 16:58.05 | rsully | ksk yeah got it, do you know where the scripts are so I can see the exact full package list used for each? |
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| 16:58.27 | ksk | no sorry. maybe dpkg -L debootstrap helps (it lists all files the package comes with) |
| 16:59.03 | over7head | I have http://ftp.us.debian.org in sources list |
| 16:59.37 | greycat | Is it *only* the Debian mirror that's slow, or is it all sites? |
| 17:00.08 | diogenes_ | over7head, and what about the internet speed in general apart from terminal, try to wgen something or git clone or even download something on browser |
| 17:00.23 | diogenes_ | wget* |
| 17:00.44 | over7head | Will try.. just installed browser after 15 mins of apting it |
| 17:01.12 | over7head | Seems works fine |
| 17:01.59 | over7head | But not graphic driver |
| 17:02.14 | diogenes_ | over7head, you could try one trick |
| 17:02.28 | ksk | did you configure a bandwith limit for apt? did not read your inital statement.. |
| 17:02.32 | diogenes_ | pastebin: cat /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 17:04.08 | over7head | What trick? |
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| 17:04.35 | over7head | I didnt configure anything what wasnt be noticed in documentation |
| 17:04.58 | diogenes_ | over7head, edit that file and add this: hosts: files mdns4_minimal resolve ... |
| 17:05.31 | diogenes_ | so you add resolve to the hosts: in nsswitch,conf but after files mdns4_minimal resolve |
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| 17:05.50 | diogenes_ | then reboot, that tricked has fixed a past issue with slow speen in terminal |
| 17:05.59 | diogenes_ | speed* |
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| 17:08.58 | over7head__ | im back |
| 17:09.09 | over7head__ | was on mobile and didnt see what U suggested me |
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| 17:12.40 | over7head__ | ive make just 2 configs, one i /etc/hosts "127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 d" |
| 17:13.00 | over7head__ | and second is /etc/resolv.conf "nameserver 192.168.8.1" |
| 17:13.05 | greycat | None of that dns stuff MATTERS once the hostname has been resolved and the connection made. |
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| 17:13.41 | over7head__ | what matter then? |
| 17:13.49 | greycat | If you were debugging an initial-connection latency issue, then sure, that would be important. But you seem to be debugging a sustained throughput issue. |
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| 17:19.36 | ksk | over7head__: what happens if you download a bigger package from ftp.us.debian.org via wget? :> |
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| 17:25.09 | rsully | Does anyone know what package network-manager is required by for a base install? I'm looking through the debootstrap script, and it looks like a base install just grabs everything with priority marked as Important, but network-manager is not on that list |
| 17:25.32 | rsully | Can I easily get a list of all packages requiring network-manager? |
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| 17:27.49 | rsully | ah `apt-cache rdepends network-manager` |
| 17:28.54 | rsully | meh that includes things that are listed as Enhances and not true required |
| 17:30.02 | rsully | `apt-cache --no-recommends --no-suggests --no-conflicts --no-breaks --no-replaces --no-enhances rdepends network-manager` heh |
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| 17:31.11 | rsully | none of the packages listed there are marked as Important, so I don't understand why network-manager is being installed still |
| 17:31.29 | ksk | if you have aptitude: aptitude why network-manager |
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| 17:31.42 | ksk | (not sure if it helps, as apt-cache did not..) |
| 17:31.52 | jhutchins_wk | rsully: Try removing it and see what wants to be removed with it. |
| 17:32.35 | rsully | jhutchins_wk good call |
| 17:33.05 | rsully | so here's a wtf: network-manager is *not* installed, but /etc/resolv.conf says "# Generated by NetworkManager" |
| 17:34.16 | greycat | Also check whether /etc/resolv.conf is a file or a symlink. |
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| 17:35.00 | rsully | definitely a file |
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| 17:35.48 | greycat | It might not be possible to discover how things got to that state, so I wouldn't waste a lot of time trying. |
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| 17:38.25 | shtrb | rsully, one of the desktop tasks ? |
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| 17:40.16 | jhutchins_wk | rsully: Did you uninstall NM, or was it never installed? |
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| 17:40.44 | rsully | jhutchins_wk never was installed apparently, I thought it was based on that comment |
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| 17:41.46 | rsully | greycat this is a new install, and I plan on redoing it again from scratch to finalize it, this is my trial install - so figuring out how it got into this state would be important for me |
| 17:42.10 | rsully | shtrb this is a headless box, no gui or anything installed, just a base install from debootstrap |
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| 17:43.55 | over7head | somethings not right with my hardware acceleration |
| 17:44.02 | jhutchins_wk | rsully: resolv.conf is usually generated fromm the nameserver supplied through DHCP. |
| 17:44.10 | over7head | i have intel driver installed |
| 17:44.16 | greycat | except when it isn't |
| 17:44.40 | over7head | i switch console and try to kill x to be able configure x but there is lightdm active and i cant configure X |
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| 17:45.05 | greycat | Ctrl-Alt-F2, login as root, systemctl stop lightdm |
| 17:45.55 | trysten | I'm using virtualbox and I made a vmdk that access a local partition. But I can't run it with virtualbox because it needs root permissions |
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| 17:46.11 | trysten | What's a good way to get disk-rw to virtualbox? |
| 17:46.27 | rsully | jhutchins_wk this box has never had dhcp enabled, the interface was configured statically from the very first boot |
| 17:46.43 | rsully | but it makes no sense that the comment would say NetworkManager when the package has never been installed |
| 17:47.52 | ctcx | I used Debian live cd -as normal user- to look for some non-English comics, which due to their nature must be searched through download websites and one knows about the risks. |
| 17:47.57 | ctcx | Found them, deleted <all> browser data, either profile and cache, and checked the files. Now to copy to the PC's host OS, which turns to be Win10. Would be just matter of click the partition in file manager to mount it. |
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| 17:48.03 | ctcx | But here the paranoia, am I really safe by hust having deleted all browser data, or could some hidden bad stuff have filtered somewhere to Debian system and now I'm in risk of infecting Win partition? This, assuming the files were well checked and no malware. |
| 17:48.55 | ksk | ctcx: are you for real? why dont you just copy over the media files and be done with that? :o |
| 17:49.05 | ksk | also, windows can mount linux filesystems? Did not know that. |
| 17:49.12 | trysten | It cannot |
| 17:49.36 | ksk | so, your question then absolutely makes no sense ctcx, as windows cannot mount linux filesystems. |
| 17:50.10 | rsully | I read it as mounting the windows partiton to linux |
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| 17:50.48 | ksk | ah okay. then I dont even see a remote danger, apart from the media files themselves being a danger.. |
| 17:50.58 | trysten | ctcx: right. Don't worry about the browser data, just copy exactly the media files you need |
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| 17:51.21 | over7head | Now i cant do nothing |
| 17:51.21 | ctcx | >Now to copy to the PC's host OS, which turns to be Win10. Would be just matter of click the partition in file manager to mount it. *I mean in the Debian live cd*! |
| 17:51.33 | over7head | My keyboard doesnt work in xdm |
| 17:51.50 | over7head | And i cant use ctrl alt f2 anzmore |
| 17:51.54 | trysten | if they are audio/video and you use reliable open-source tools to open them I wouldn't worry, ctcx |
| 17:52.04 | trysten | over7head: how did you break it? |
| 17:52.14 | shtrb | ksk , windows can mount EXT3 and EXT4 but not others |
| 17:52.22 | trysten | shtrb: since when/how? |
| 17:52.28 | over7head | I delated xconfig file and created new with root |
| 17:52.32 | ctcx | trysten: they are zip/rar/cbs/cbr |
| 17:52.43 | shtrb | since win10 |
| 17:52.51 | greycat | over7head: sounds like the whole display is locked up. Try rebooting without running the display manager at all. Append systemd.unit=multi-user.target on the GRUB line. |
| 17:53.03 | shtrb | but you do need to perform extra actions to enable it, in win7 you had to download an app |
| 17:53.08 | shtrb | a driver |
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| 17:53.17 | over7head | But i forget to test it with x -config and it didnt create new |
| 17:53.34 | ctcx | ksk: and that's why I also mentioned "given I also checked the files for no risk" |
| 17:53.38 | over7head | Can i stop loading lightdm during bootup? |
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| 17:54.29 | ksk | over7head: systemctl disable lightdm |
| 17:55.02 | greycat | My answer was for a one-time disabling. ksk's answer is permanent. |
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| 17:57.45 | ctcx | So then, no stuff from web browser filters to Linux system, and no harm passed to Windows mounted partition? |
| 17:58.24 | over7head | That didnt help |
| 17:58.42 | over7head | What should i do to use xorg.conf.new by default? |
| 17:59.40 | greycat | Put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 18:01.17 | ctcx | ? |
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| 18:05.57 | trysten | ctcx: your paranoia doesn't match your knowledge, we can't substitute for that. |
| 18:06.09 | over7head | greycat does /etc/X11/xorg.conf need to be a file or directory containing a file |
| 18:06.33 | trysten | ctcx: if you downloaded some files on a debian live system, and you trust those files, go ahead and copy them to your windows partition |
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| 18:07.00 | greycat | File. |
| 18:07.19 | over7head | Its not working as a file |
| 18:07.50 | over7head | No mouse and keyboard |
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| 18:10.19 | over7head | I try with xinit.... still not working |
| 18:10.58 | trysten | To answer my question from earlier: pretty much the only way to give users disk access is to add them to the 'disk' group |
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| 18:13.05 | over7head | Thats because xorg installs 10 graphical drivers and in the end it select wrong one |
| 18:13.06 | jmcnaught | trysten: I didn't see your original question but the disk group might be too much access, according to /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html the disk group is "Raw access to disks. Mostly equivalent to root access." |
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| 18:13.50 | over7head | What should i do now? |
| 18:14.22 | JohnA | I have been given an old Asus server (TS700) it uses a z9pa-db. ? is this worth doing anything with or should I just take it to the electronics dump in my area? |
| 18:14.24 | greycat | You could start by identifying what graphics chipset you're using. |
| 18:14.27 | greycat | lspci -nn |
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| 18:15.06 | over7head | On anz other distro. Empty /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and running X -config xorg.conf.new as root... do the job |
| 18:16.22 | greycat | Then it's probably a firmware/driver issue. |
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| 18:17.00 | over7head | No not driver problem.. |
| 18:17.24 | over7head | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.50 | jhutchins_wk | over7head: Do they work in the console? |
| 18:17.59 | over7head | Yes |
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| 18:20.16 | ctcx | In another thing, assuming the remote server is indeed trusted, can it be common practice to passthrough X over ssh? |
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| 18:21.21 | over7head | Seems like x dont use my xorg.conf.new |
| 18:22.07 | jhutchins_wk | ,v xnec2c |
| 18:22.08 | judd | Package: xnec2c on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.4-1; jessie: 1:3.0-1; stretch: 1:3.5.1-1; buster: 1:4.1.1-1; sid: 1:4.1.1-1 |
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| 18:23.18 | frzr | Hi there folks, i'm having some issues with monitor settings, in a dual monitor setup. I encounter this |
| 18:23.21 | frzr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.24 | frzr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.27 | frzr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.30 | frzr | Oops, that was a badly formatted question :) |
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| 18:24.02 | greycat | frzr: by finding the Xorg.0.log file and reading it |
| 18:24.26 | greycat | It can be in ~/.local/share/xorg/ or in /var/log/ depending on which version of Debian and how you start X and which DE/WM |
| 18:24.49 | frzr | Lol yeah, Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
| 18:25.04 | frzr | stupid of me not to think about that :) |
| 18:25.59 | tower | judd: xcuse me, i don't get what you mean, is there a new releace " ; stretch: 1:3.5.1-1; buster: 1:4.1.1-1; sid: 1:4.1.1-1 " << or whatever else? |
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| 18:27.04 | over7head | How i can use working xorg.conf.new |
| 18:27.12 | over7head | Mouse and keyboard are there |
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| 18:27.22 | over7head | But not if i startx |
| 18:27.23 | towo` | rename it |
| 18:27.23 | greycat | move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:27.33 | over7head | I was |
| 18:27.38 | over7head | And nothing |
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| 18:28.00 | nik_ | Thanks dude who answered, working fine now. Will remember this and not have this problem again :) |
| 18:28.05 | nik_ | .//frzr |
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| 18:31.08 | over7head | Not working |
| 18:31.15 | over7head | So |
| 18:32.05 | over7head | I cant set my driver in debian... it must be default.. if i try to change xorg.conf it will not work |
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| 18:33.25 | greycat | Again, start by identifying which graphics chipset you are using. lspci -nn. |
| 18:33.34 | greycat | Then figure out what is required to make THAT CHIPSET work in Debian. |
| 18:33.40 | over7head | I know my graphic chipset |
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| 18:33.54 | over7head | And i have everything needed |
| 18:34.03 | greycat | It could be as simple as installing a non-free firmware package, or as complex as trying to get bumblee working, or as infurating as "Debian 9 does not support this because it's too new". |
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| 18:34.34 | greycat | You have given us NO details to work with. We don't know what you're using, what you're doing, or what the log file says. |
| 18:34.35 | over7head | It si keyboard and mouse problem nit graphic |
| 18:35.31 | towo` | since when is a xorg.conf needed for input devices |
| 18:35.53 | over7head | And input are set there |
| 18:36.16 | towo` | there is no xorg.conf needed at all |
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| 18:36.24 | towo` | especialy not for input devices |
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| 18:50.56 | over7head | Ho i can see log from startx |
| 18:50.59 | over7head | ? |
| 18:51.30 | over7head | Once i start it, i can only turn off pc because keyboard foesnt work anymore |
| 18:52.39 | greycat | Look for Xorg.0.log in ~/.local/share/xorg/ or in /var/log/ depending on Debian version, how you start X, and DE/WM |
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| 18:56.03 | over7head | Hotplugin is on. Devices using drivers mouse and keyboard will be disabled |
| 18:56.28 | over7head | ...disabling mouse0 |
| 18:56.39 | over7head | ...disabling keyboard0 |
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| 18:58.52 | over7head | Thats all about mouse and keyboard in log |
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| 19:05.39 | over7head | Adding i also try to rename xkb and mouse drivers to evdev |
| 19:05.46 | over7head | But not works |
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| 19:17.10 | ctcx | Any known good x server for windows in order to use ssh with x passthrough from windows? |
| 19:18.01 | bolt | ctcx: xming? |
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| 19:27.15 | jhutchins_wk | Cygwin |
| 19:27.55 | jhutchins_wk | towo`: He's trying to get the keyboard and mouse working. He originally did not have a config file. |
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| 19:28.43 | greycat | I lost track long ago. Somehow he generated this config file and that made things *worse*. He has given 0 details. |
| 19:29.01 | greycat | He claims he knows what chipset he's using but he won't tell *us*. |
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| 19:53.52 | BlastuR | what's the difference between installing a package like libc6-i386 and something like libc6:i386 (after add dpkg --add-architecture) |
| 19:56.44 | dropkick500 | There is one? |
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| 20:01.04 | BlastuR | dropkick500: well, it was just an example but yes.. at least on my system =) my question is more like, why are there sometimes a separate architecture feed and still the main amd64 feed contains packages for other archs |
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| 20:05.42 | dropkick500 | I'm guessing because comps with amd64 can support other lesser architectures as well? Not quite sure, just a guess |
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| 20:06.56 | OerHeks | libc6-i386 C Library: 32-bit shared libraries for AMD64 |
| 20:07.09 | dropkick500 | Huh |
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| 20:07.56 | OerHeks | and libc6:i386 is the i386 32 bit version |
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| 20:09.42 | dropkick500 | Guess that solves it |
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| 20:15.03 | BlastuR | OerHeks: thanks |
| 20:17.07 | Gigglebyte | Can anyone offer some advice on how to boot from a Debian Install disk on a Dell Inspiron? I can't seem to get it to work in UEFI mode. |
| 20:17.58 | dropkick500 | the UEFI isn't seeing the disk? |
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| 20:20.11 | dropkick500 | Gigglebyte: So the UEFI isn't seeing the disk? |
| 20:20.29 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> Apparently not. However there are countless other reports on the net about this. Apparently there is some trick to booting up, and I don't know what it is. I watched someone else do a work around and I don't know what they did. |
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| 20:22.17 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> disk is scene after I boot into Ubuntu, but I would prefer to install Debian on here. |
| 20:22.50 | Gigglebyte | bios seems a bit funky on the Inspiron. |
| 20:23.06 | dropkick500 | On the Debian wiki it shows some instructions for install on a few inspirons, but most were written for lenny, so they might be a bit out of date, but i would still reccomend checking if they have your inspiron type |
| 20:23.39 | dropkick500 | Also, I heard the live CD is real wonky for Debian right now? Are you running livecd, netinst or full? |
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| 20:25.22 | greycat | s/ right now// |
| 20:26.38 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> Full install from a USB stick. |
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| 20:26.51 | Gigglebyte | greycat> You speaking to moi? |
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| 20:30.15 | Gigglebyte | This has me stumped. |
| 20:30.32 | dropkick500 | Gigglebyte: Also maybe check for a "boot option" option in the Boot Sequence menu or something like that |
| 20:31.36 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> Boot options is completely blank. Was greycat's comment intended for me? |
| 20:32.01 | greycat | If you don't understand sed, then just forget it. |
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| 20:33.06 | dropkick500 | Gigglebyte: Not quite sure. Actually don't understand what he's trying to say lol |
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| 20:33.20 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 20:33.32 | greycat | You wrote "the live CD is real wonky for Debian right now" |
| 20:33.36 | greycat | I wrote "s/ right now//" |
| 20:33.49 | greycat | If you STILL don't get it, just stop talking about it. |
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| 20:34.42 | booyah | is this #ubuntu or wat |
| 20:35.12 | Gigglebyte | The problem is that there is no menu showing the boot order. |
| 20:35.42 | dropkick500 | booyah: No, ubuntu is merely based off of debian |
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| 20:36.52 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> They are quite a bit different, and Debian is updated a little more frequently. |
| 20:37.14 | greycat | Wooosh. Woooosh. |
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| 20:37.43 | dropkick500 | greycat: Sorry, i'm not familiar with sed, lol. I sort of get what you're going for but don't worry about it |
| 20:37.53 | shibboleth | and ubuntu bionic (desktop) has ditched the debian installer |
| 20:38.06 | greycat | booyah: It seems so. :( |
| 20:38.10 | shibboleth | with something waaay worse IMO (+netplan) |
| 20:38.36 | Gigglebyte | The Dell bios could be better. |
| 20:38.56 | Sleaker | wait bionic ditched d-i? |
| 20:39.07 | Sleaker | glad i pushed to move off ubuntu and go back to roots. |
| 20:39.34 | dropkick500 | Bionic was sort of the reason i left, little did i know i would be followed by GNOME here too |
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| 20:40.20 | shibboleth | bionic in itself is in no way bad imo |
| 20:40.30 | shibboleth | get the server iso, purge netplan |
| 20:40.33 | shibboleth | and shazam |
| 20:40.41 | shibboleth | but neither bode well going forward |
| 20:40.51 | shibboleth | waiting for buster and signed grub i guess |
| 20:41.46 | Sleaker | shibboleth: already had to build off the server iso in the past, each incremental change just makes upgrading harder and harder though, and less useful. |
| 20:42.08 | shibboleth | iirc xenial upgrades don't force netplan on you |
| 20:42.26 | dropkick500 | Yeah they left unity and that's when i went to Debian, not knowing that the WM on debian was the now-default for Ubuntu |
| 20:42.32 | dropkick500 | So i just installed i3 lol |
| 20:42.44 | Sleaker | heh |
| 20:43.03 | Sleaker | last ubuntu I've used extensively was trusty |
| 20:43.09 | shibboleth | and it would appear that the ub security team have beenput on amphetamines as of jan1 2019 |
| 20:43.22 | Sleaker | xenial had too much wierdness with not bing fully systemd |
| 20:43.22 | shibboleth | hey used to be a week behind deb, now they're more often ahead |
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| 20:44.55 | dropkick500 | Last i used was actually artful |
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| 20:46.06 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> Don't see it which is why I posted here. |
| 20:47.28 | rhizome_ | in gnu screen, is there a way to have an e.g. 2-window split screen that I can flip back and forth to a full-window terminal on a third? that is, ^a-space on the top window of the split skips the window below it and flips to the full and vice-versa. |
| 20:47.54 | dropkick500 | Gigglebyte: What model of inspiron are you using? |
| 20:50.35 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> P28F |
| 20:50.52 | Gigglebyte | I don't like the bios at all. It is junky. |
| 20:51.19 | Gigglebyte | I need to take a break for a snack. Back in awhile. |
| 20:52.11 | dropkick500 | Gigglebyte: Maybe try setting the bios to legacy and seeing if you can mess with the boot order? |
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| 20:52.46 | Gigglebyte | dropkick500> I already tried that and the boot order doesn't show up after setting the bios to legacy. |
| 20:53.17 | dropkick500 | Did you turn off secure boot? |
| 20:54.12 | dropkick500 | Rip |
| 20:59.56 | Sleaker | lol |
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| 21:01.31 | dropkick500 | What WM's does everybody here run? |
| 21:01.42 | greycat | !polls |
| 21:01.42 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 21:01.59 | dropkick500 | Oh ok |
| 21:02.44 | greycat | You can do "/msg judd popcon pkgname" to get popularity contest results. |
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| 21:04.10 | dropkick500 | really it was just because nothing was going on and i thought it would be interesting to see what people currently in the channel preferred. I'll keep that in mind |
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| 21:12.25 | trysten | An almost relevant thing: I'm trying to switch from gnome3 to awesome right now (dropkick500 has left) |
| 21:12.40 | trysten | I told gdm to start awesome but it didn't |
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| 21:58.02 | dansan | aloo_shu: Well a very belated "thank you" for your response :) |
| 21:58.16 | dansan | I do keep logs at least :) |
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| 22:20.51 | somiaj | trysten: how did you tell gdm to start awesome? |
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| 22:38.51 | over7head | how i can install celestia? |
| 22:39.00 | over7head | i can only find package for jessie |
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| 22:39.23 | over7head | do i have to add jessie repo or is there any other way? |
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| 22:42.59 | j0seph | over7head, a quick search shows that unfortunately it doesn't seem to be elsewhere. i'll keep searching for you. are you running stretch or buster? in any case, adding a repo from a newer or older debian release to your current (presumably different) release is very bad practice: it creates a frankendebian and is likely to break your system |
| 22:43.55 | somiaj | you may want to build it from source if it isn't in stretch, or at least check out why it was removed (it could be there are grave bugs) |
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| 22:45.48 | j0seph | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/celestia here's a link detailing its history. you might find some reasons as to why it's not in newer repos here. |
| 22:45.57 | over7head | yes im on scretch... thats what i was afraid... to not create frankendebian |
| 22:47.09 | over7head | probably it would be best to try build package somehow |
| 22:47.21 | j0seph | over7head, bummer. if you are feeling confident, you can compile it yourself. looks like the official site gives you some .package file, might be worth looking into. |
| 22:48.08 | somiaj | over7head: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=809916 -- that is why it was removed, and that was years ago now too. |
| 22:48.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/809916 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: celestia -- ROM; Dead upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-04; last modified: 2016-02-28. |
| 22:48.29 | somiaj | I would find alternative software, but that package appernetally has dsfg issues along with various bugs and a dead upstrea. |
| 22:49.38 | j0seph | ah yes, a dead upstream is usually a reasonable enough incentive to find an alternative. |
| 22:50.07 | somiaj | debian keeps stuff around that is dead upstream if it still runs |
| 22:50.13 | j0seph | (as well as the fact that it was accumulating |
| 22:50.19 | j0seph | oops, hit enter early. |
| 22:50.26 | somiaj | in this case, dsfg issues with bugs is the nail in the coffin so to speak. |
| 22:50.44 | somiaj | afg dfsg |
| 22:51.16 | over7head | but seems no similar alternative to celestia |
| 22:51.33 | somiaj | what does celestia do? |
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| 22:52.06 | somiaj | anyways, dead outdated software, you kinda become responsible for it. I would build it from source and make your own package you can manage for stretch if you really want it. |
| 22:52.06 | over7head | its 3d universe look |
| 22:52.32 | somiaj | ,v stellarium |
| 22:52.32 | j0seph | it appears to be some sort of 3D space planet exploration software, where you fly through the solar system and look at the planets |
| 22:52.33 | judd | Package: stellarium on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.11.3-1+deb7u1+b1; jessie: 0.13.1-1; stretch: 0.15.0-1+b1; stretch-backports: 0.18.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.18.3-1; sid: 0.18.3-1 |
| 22:53.43 | somiaj | Anyways, I would look at some of the alternatives, you may find you get what you want from them, or build from source. |
| 22:53.45 | over7head | stellarium isnt like celestia.... its view from earth to sky unlike celestia which is in space |
| 22:53.54 | somiaj | (instlaling jessie packages in stretch sometimes works) |
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| 22:54.55 | over7head | somiaj i will try this first.. if no then i will do some search and try to build it |
| 22:55.00 | over7head | thanks for suggestion |
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| 22:56.58 | over7head | i was looking for some astro distros, there are couple of them pretty outdated and all based on debian |
| 22:57.13 | over7head | so i debootstrap it to make my astro distro haha |
| 22:59.09 | over7head | some low latency preemption kernel and awesome wm... just need to get astro apps collection now |
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| 23:01.16 | j0seph | over7head, funky. how many astro apps that you wanted to download have you found in the stretch repos? |
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| 23:02.55 | over7head | haha just stellarium for now... still searching for virtual moon and M13 |
| 23:03.36 | over7head | i decided for debian because all those outdated astro distros was based on debian and debian has largest repositories... |
| 23:04.06 | over7head | but seems i didnt research enough before start to install it |
| 23:06.03 | j0seph | over7head, at least you can learn from that mistake. derivative distros have the capacity to do odd things too. maybe they had their own repo or the like that contained all of that software. |
| 23:06.40 | over7head | hm.. maybe i can try to search their repos |
| 23:08.09 | j0seph | over7head, it was just a guess so i can't say for sure. in any case, adding repositories that don't support your branch (stretch, in your case) can be risky |
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