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00:23.36DevilTigerdhcpcd is failing to start on boot. running sudo dhcpcd wlan0 after boot starts fine. i'm raging out on why this is happening
00:24.38rustbuckettzleap, yes it is. it shows as Bus 001 Device 004: ID 056a:0374 Wacom Co., Ltd in lsusb
00:27.19rustbuckettand lsmod shows "wacom                  94208  0" and "hid                   122880  3 hid_generic,usbhid,wacom"
00:30.20DevilTigerif service servicename start returns nothing that should mean the service started, correct?
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00:41.36karlpincDevilTiger: Yes.  The general rule is that success is slient.
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00:49.39karlpincJohann: Thanks.
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02:00.30rwpIs there a way to tell if a USB socket is 3.0 or 2.0?  The color is black which tells me 2.0 but it was spec'd to be 3.0.
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02:04.15dvsrwp, if you can see five pins if you look inside at the back of the port.
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02:09.40masonrwp: lspci should show you, or maybe dmidecode.
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02:24.47rwpmason, lsusb shows the devices but doesn't say if a port is 2.0 or 3.0.  Thanks anyway though.
02:25.33masonrwp: What does it say it is? Is it xHCI?
02:27.19rwpI am just using a USB network dongle for a test at the moment and it says "Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0bda:8153 Realtek Semiconductor Corp."
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02:27.50rwpOf course the syslog shows the kernel tracing but again nothing that is obvious from that either.
02:28.30rwpI am betting it is just 2.0 and the 3.0 was mis-marketing on the laptop which said it had USB 3.0 ports.  It's a Lenovo ideapad 330S.
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02:31.45dvsrwp, lsusb will say if you have USB 3.0 ports at all.
02:35.39masonrwp: lspci | grep -i usb
02:35.46mason"That ain't it."
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02:36.52dvsI said lsusb
02:37.08mason22:09 < mason> rwp: lspci should show you, or maybe dmidecode.
02:39.19rwpAh... lspci.  Here is the hub.  Does look like 3.0.  Just an incorrect color marketing. http://termbin.com/mgaj
02:39.33masonYar, that's USB3
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02:40.16masonIt's possible they mixed USB2 and 3 ports, but there ought to be at least some USB3 access or they wouldn't have bothered with that, I imagine.
02:40.57rwpIt has 2x USB of the normal flat boxes (Is that the A type?) and 1x USB-C type.
02:41.36masonYeah, I think that's A-type. I'm not wildly familiar with USB things.
02:42.03dvsthe "flat boxes" could be USB 2 or 3.
02:43.52rwpI thought the color code (or at least the marketing) was that 3.0 would be color blue.
02:44.12rwpThese are color black.  Which was why I was checking.  It's a new laptop.  Helping a friend do setup.
02:46.07masonHm, a random search suggests that the plug colour matters, but that the port colour isn't part of the spec.
02:46.11masonhttps://www.geeksinphoenix.com/blog/post/2014/01/12/How-to-tell-what-type-of-USB-connector-you-have-by-color.aspx
02:46.50rwpAh... lsusb -t shows what is attached:  http://termbin.com/m63m
02:47.14masonah, cool
02:47.56dvsgeez
02:49.06dvsSince there are no ohci or uhci hubs, all the ports are 3.0
02:50.29masonI finally gave up my anti-USB prejudice and got a USB3-only hard drive enclosure recently. It's mostly working out well.
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02:52.33dvswhy hate USB?
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02:56.51masondvs: History of being slow and flaky, which I think is largely no longer the case.
02:57.25dvsmason, flaky: maybe.  But definitely not slow anymore.
02:58.17masonThe only issue I'm having with the enclosure is that it wants to put my drives to sleep when they've been idle, and I seem not to be able to turn that off. So I'm touching /dev/sd[a-z] once every five minutes. Hacky but it works.
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03:01.18santost12could someone please help me find out why im getting a 404? LEMP on debian 9. https://pastebin.com/eLXNhfD3
03:01.53mason!pastebin
03:01.53dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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03:02.11dvs???
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03:04.34rantsantost12: I would advise against using that pastebin in the future, use paste.debian.net or termbin.com preferably.. pastebin.com is a very ignorant site, uses cookies, tracking, popups, ads, you name it.. people who are just looking in may not waste their time with that crap.
03:05.03santost12rant: okay.
03:05.06santost12https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0f58320b/
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03:08.58rantsantost12: is netcat installed? dpkg -l netcat
03:09.07rantif so, you may consider this
03:09.13rantsantost12: (ls -l /var/www/html; cat info.php; curl http://127.0.0.1:80/info.php; cat /etc/nginx/nginx.conf)|nc termbin.com 9999
03:10.02rantits much easier for you, to paste output of multiple commands you can even put some echo lines in there to prefix headings, and also you didnt use a ls -l to show permissions on the files or try curl by ip ruling out hostname issues
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03:13.48santost12rant: thank you. here: https://termbin.com/7zwp
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03:14.29masonls -la might have been useful - see if the directory is world-readable
03:14.37masonand executable
03:15.07rantsantost12: so the permission are ok.. what about the access.log and error.log mentioned in the nginx config?
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03:15.21rantmason: yeah thats a good point as well
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03:16.10rantI have no experience with nginx or php, I was just trying to advise on some other ways to get information and prod at the obvious stuff
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03:17.31santost12https://termbin.com/kwyu
03:18.23santost12index.html file doesn't 404 but info.php does... :/  the owner/group of html folder is www-data
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03:19.14santost12that last paste was:   root@node3:/var/log/nginx# (cat access.log; echo " "; cat error.log)|nc termbin.com 9999
03:20.43rantsantost12: when you use that trick I showed you helps to use some echo's like (echo -e 'ls -la /foo\n---';ls -la /foo) or just say what the commands are with the first echo and use an echo -e "\n------\n" seperator or such
03:20.53masonAt a guess, nginx needs configuration to accept index.php as valid.
03:21.07rantbut yeah, idk how nginix works, but apache needs to be specifically told to allow that kinda stuff
03:21.27ranteach directory directive in apache has specific kinds of files you're allowed to access, whether or not you can list the dir.. etc
03:22.11ranta php file would be an executable.. so .. it has to be allowing executable files
03:22.20santost12i didn't want to use apache because of security reasons and all of its modules.
03:24.34mason...and yet, PHP... =cough=
03:25.05masonThis isn't 100% on-target but it has useful pointers: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9002245/cant-open-index-php-by-default-with-nginx
03:25.13santost12...apache status module leaking info
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03:29.47santost12im going to try using port connection instead of socket connection for php-fpm
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03:40.56santost12thank you for the help. im going to try asking #nginx
03:41.20masonsantost12: Good luck with it. I bet it's one tiny tweak away from working.
03:42.05santost12yes. its been so frustrating that maybe im overlooking something so small
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03:44.29rwpsantost12, I just came on and looked at your paste.  I hope not to offend you but why aren't you using the standard nginx/apache configuration of each site in its own file?
03:44.52rwpI think you are going to make things a lot harder on yourself doing it the way you are doing it.
03:45.32rwpAlso we would need to see what is in snippets/fastcgi-php.conf that you are including too.
03:45.48santost12because i prefer to have it all in one nginx.conf file. if i need to add more sites or ssl in the future i add it in my nginx.conf
03:45.55rwpBut you are right, there is nothing there that is Debian specific.  So #nginx is probably the better place to ask those questions.
03:46.18rwpOkay.
03:48.22rwpsantost12, Here is a working config cut from one of my site configs: http://paste.debian.net/1073704/
03:49.43rwpsantost12, Actually, let me make a small cleanup and say this is better: http://paste.debian.net/1073705/
03:49.44santost12http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8c7bc2a4/
03:52.19rwpIf you aren't using it then you don't need to worry about fastcgi_split_path_info as that is only if one has a path after such as index.php/foo/bar that needs to be extracted and passed as a parameter.  If you aren't using it then it is simpler and safer to not worry about it.  Because otherwise there are more checks that are needed to avoid an attack against it.
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03:57.50santost12okay. i left that file as the debian default.
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04:06.20ajehi there.
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04:08.37jcb2016so i just found out a nift tool called rmadison where it can query versions of a package without it being installed. any other nifty tools i should know about?
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07:24.07terboso my chromium crashes a lot with only several tabs open, often some libpng/ICCP profile errors, and others, on intel graphics
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07:26.49aexldoes it also do that with a new profile?
07:27.21terboi.e. before logging into google? I'm not sure but tbh I think firefox has done it also
07:27.56terboIt even does it on MX linux a derivative, and the only issues i've found are fairly old and say solved in later versions, though updating rn
07:28.46terboI just installed this last night, has happened several times but I'm not getting the same level of logging as when it was pure debian
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08:05.38terbook well updated, i guess i have to again. it all kinda began with VLC crashing frequently, but I remember it didn't after I installed 9.8
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08:06.02eugenmayerhello. in interfaces, can i have multipe statements for one and the same interface .. something like https://www.pastiebin.com/5c90a2e34e397
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08:06.38terbowhat are you trying to achieve?
08:07.16jellyit's pretty obvious he's just trying to split the config in multiple files
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08:08.07eugenmayerjelly: terbo of course, it would not make sense in general ways, but this is for automatical CM / scripted configuration where i want to avoid sed acrobatics
08:08.22jellyeugenmayer: I haven't tried it but suspect it won't be merged into a single stanza.  TIAS.
08:08.31eugenmayerby simply splitting components up into parts which i can update autoicly
08:09.04eugenmayerjelly: i would also expect it not to work due to also the dupe of "static/dynamic" and if it works, subject to go banana later i guess
08:09.41jellyeugenmayer: also try naming them intefaces.d/eth0.01main.cfg and eth0.02dns.cfg, put _just_ the dns-nameservers line in the second one, see if that works?
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08:10.05terboupdate resolv.conf?
08:10.56eugenmayerwell that is playing with fire jelly, because of the indentation - or is the latter actually ignored anyway and the interface definitoin is open until any other statement not fitting the interface DSL ends the block?
08:11.21jellywhitespace is not syntax in interfaces(8)
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08:11.45jelly(you don't have to indent anything)
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08:12.35__m4ch1n3__terbo, which intel gpu? i915 ?
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08:14.16__m4ch1n3__... "firmware-misc-nonfree" package contains some i915 firmware bins
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08:19.09__m4ch1n3__you could also try enable modeset driver for i915 'echo "options i915 modeset=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf'
08:19.32__m4ch1n3__or change acceleration method via xorg.conf
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08:21.02terbook... i haven't gotten one yet but its like... kinda random
08:21.34terboyea i915
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08:22.42__m4ch1n3__then would recommend install "firmware-misc-nonfree" if non-free packages are  o.k for you
08:22.48__m4ch1n3__first
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08:32.27__m4ch1n3__terbo, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Corruption/Unresponsiveness_in_Chromium_and_Firefox
08:34.01__m4ch1n3__https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#SNA_issues
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08:41.22terbo_m4ch1n3_: thanks checking out
08:41.47diogenes_you could try uxa instead of sna
08:41.54diogenes_or even mo
08:42.02diogenes_modesetting driver
08:42.29terbohMM maybe the update helped, I have a dozen tabs open and some video and images playing
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08:43.10terbobut I guess I'd like to go back to the debian install, and I think I had that updated so I may have to use these settings
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09:28.23Ingvixanyone got an idea where could the wallpaper be defined with lightdm/i3 setup? I found the login wallpaper defined in lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf but I got no idea what switches it to a different image when i3 starts. i3wm does not handle wallpapers itself
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09:38.24chomwittwhy would in a new debian installation  (9.8) /var/log/auth.log would have older entries (its a cloude server). Could this mean that an cloned imaged from another installation was used?
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09:38.53colo-workprobably
09:39.18colo-workpeople who prepare images/templates/instances/younameit are sloppy, even at big providers
09:39.24chomwittshould i complain or i a standard procedure to ease their work?
09:39.40chomwitti->its
09:40.04colo-workprobably the latter. if you can, you should still reinstall yourself from known-good installation media.
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09:40.23colo-work(if you can't trust the host of your VM though, nothing can save you)
09:41.00FoxIngvix: use feh in your .profile
09:41.21chomwittmy provider wont allow me to install an image. (strangely what i have a less expensive shared virtual host i had a panel for that!) . I must email them to email the people close to the iron to do the installation.
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09:41.30FoxIngvix: apt install feh && echo 'feh --bg-fill ~/Pictures/Sample_picture.jpg' >> ~/.profile
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09:41.50chomwitts/what/when
09:42.41IngvixFox, I'm not really interested how do I change it with external tools. I know how to do it but what I don't know what has defined my current wallpaper
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09:43.57FoxIngvix: i3wm does not provide any tool to change wallpaper
09:45.00IngvixI know. I just want to know why do I currently have wallpaper if nothing has set it so. So I concluded that something has set it and I want to know what
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09:45.29Ingvixwell that was not nicely phrased
09:45.34Foxsure :)
09:45.57FoxIngvix: don't you have the default black background from i3wm ?
09:46.22IngvixFox, no, I have the default debian wallpaper
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09:47.36FoxIngvix: did you look at your ~/.xsession ?
09:50.10IngvixFox, doesn't exist
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09:53.01IngvixI did have cinnamon before I switched to i3wm and some of its apps remain. Could they be doing something funny even the DE is not cinnamon?
09:53.29Kingsysoo whenever I use apt-get I see this error --> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory, locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory. ALOT probably about 100 times as it installs new packages. What has happened?
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10:00.59Ingvixactually now I realized that the wallpaper is already changed in the lightdm with a fading animation
10:01.10IngvixI wonder what causes that
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10:02.04Ingvixat first there's the default login wallpaper and then it changes to the default desktop wallpaper
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10:22.15darsiehow long till next debian release?
10:23.00n4dirnot more than a few months for sure.
10:23.04darsiethx
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10:24.28n4dirto put it different: once the actual testing is frozen, it didn't take longer than something like 6 months in the past. So: once it is frozen, the release is kinda near.
10:24.48aexl!wwbr
10:24.48dpkgDebian 10 "Buster" start the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html
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10:25.39n4dirwondering what wwbr might mean ...
10:25.45Haohmaruwhen will be ready?
10:26.10bhuddahgo rspamd
10:26.16bhuddahsorry.
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10:26.45themilldpkg, literal wwbr
10:26.45dpkg"wwbr" is "<reply>see when will buster release"
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10:27.07n4dirah, thanks.
10:27.08_2E0LNXI thought "when will be ready" too...
10:31.27Haohmaruthe most important question
10:31.35kreyrenDoes anyone has command for mini.iso of debian to remove everything debian and keep just core system?
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10:31.41kreyrenmine's outdated
10:33.10n4diri guess the closest you could do is use taskel and remove the task "standard".
10:33.30n4dirtasksel.
10:33.35kreyrenelaborate closest?
10:34.12kreyrenexpected to be used for LFS base.. or is there better way now? (last time i did this was in 2009 iirc)
10:34.17n4dirimho in Linux there is no clear distinction between "core system" and umpf, "other stuff" (third party apps in BSD terms)
10:34.35n4dirkreyren: probably debootstrap is a better solution.
10:34.49kreyrenand remove apt from it?
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10:35.02n4diroh. no clue
10:35.23kreyrenlike i can remove apt, but is it just core system with apt and it's deps? (+toolchain)
10:35.50themillIf you can actually define "core" then you'll know how to do this.
10:36.34kreyrenlinux system that barely lives in chroot environment with gcc, glibc and binutils
10:36.51themillthat's a long way from what I'd call a core
10:37.25kreyrenexpected base system on which i can put another package manager
10:37.33kreyrenanything that suffice is usefull
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10:40.49furrymcgeeyour initrd is pretty much a core linux system
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10:42.49n4dirkreyren: not much in distros anymore, but the actual dragora3 alpha release is very bare (it comes with X and dwm though, but no apps. Remove those, and you are really small/core)
10:44.28kreyrenwill check, thanks
10:45.13n4dirhttp://rsync.dragora.org/ISO/ top is alpha2, you would want alpha3, best is probably "rootfs"
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10:47.36aexldebian netinstall is smaller
10:47.54kreyrennetinstall installs sources from net so it's irelevant
10:47.58kreyrenor is it?
10:48.06n4diryup, a common misunderstanding.
10:48.28aexlcan't you disable this?
10:48.56n4dirit gives you the debian-installer, which will install whatever you choose, just like the CD-iso, the DVD, what-you-have
10:49.00kreyrenin theory and it should have just apt and it's deps to install sources from net afaik
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10:49.15kreyrenah so it's not full system?
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10:49.33darsien4dir: Is it frozen already?
10:49.42kreyrenrebooting
10:49.53n4dir!wwbr
10:50.10n4dirdamnit. Someone gave that factoid, but yes, buster is frozen.
10:50.12AlphareHi all. I'm trying to install mysql 5.7 on debian buster/sid. Am I just out of luck and the package does not exist?
10:50.25darsiek
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10:52.18aexlAlphare: maybe you're looking for mysql-client-5.7?
10:52.30aexlwhich is sid (unstable)
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10:54.37Alphareaexl: seems like that and the -server- version might work
10:54.48Alpharethanks, not sure why I have not found them
10:55.33aexlnp, i came here first to look for php7 ^w^
10:55.55Alphareaexl: hehe
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11:52.23Kingsysoo whenever I use apt-get I see this error --> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory, locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory. ALOT probably about 100 times as it installs new packages. What has happened?
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11:54.55fireba11Kingsy: some local seems missing, and the apt scripts are complaining. and yes IF that happens they do it A LOT :-D
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12:04.07jellyKingsy: pastebin the outputs of "locale" and "locale -a" commands.  Which debian release is this?
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12:13.52jellywhat's the least worst apt-mirror proxy these days?  I want to cache the ELTS repo, thought of mirroring it but it's set up rather hostile (http only, the whole of wheezy seems imported in the repo next to the actual ELTS files)
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12:14.52rwpjelly, I am using apt-cacher-ng these days for .deb proxy caching.
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12:19.51qman__jelly: I just use a squid proxy configured to cache all debian repos
12:20.11qman__then I don't have to worry about what to save, it just grabs whatever I happen to pull down
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12:51.33catphishcan debian's network "interfaces" files find an interface by mac address, or is it necessary to use a separate config for persistently naming devices first?
12:53.28qman__nope, the interfaces file is only by interface name, and the names are associated with devices by udev
12:53.48catphishthanks, i've been spoiled by netplan which integrates this
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12:54.29catphishgenerating udev config should be no trouble though
12:55.08qman__yeah, it's pretty straightforward, just in a separate file
12:56.44qman__<PROTECTED>
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12:58.01catphishsounds right, thanks
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13:49.33AlexNagyHey, I've picked up some rogue printers on my wifi network, the only ip address shown in the add/remove printers dialogue is localhost, is there any way to query it's actual network address?
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13:50.37greycatHow did you "pick them up"?  Use that.
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13:54.24Lybertahi, is there a way to present my own customly created root fs to a specific process?
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13:57.30greycatchroot, or a systemd service with RootDirectory=, or systemd-nspawn (in the systemd-container package), or docker, or ....
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14:07.00DevilTigerhow can i figure out why this damn service is not starting on boot. this is making me rage that its right there in cron @reboot systemctl start service yet on boot it's magically nowhere
14:07.56greycatwhy in the hell would you put "@reboot systemctl start ..." in cron instead of just doing systemctl enable on the service?
14:08.07DevilTigerbecause enable didn't work ;)
14:08.13greycatSo figure out why.
14:08.24DevilTigeris that not what i'm trying to do?
14:08.49mutanteDevilTiger: journalctl -xn -u <unit name> ?
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14:09.45DevilTigerthank you!
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14:10.35DevilTigersystemd is magic black box to me so when resources it controls don't do things i tell them to do i'm a loss and start guessing
14:11.24mutantewell.. does it work to manually start/stop it
14:11.33mutantebefore doing anything automatically
14:12.28mutantedid you write the unit file yourself or did it come with the package or ?
14:13.19DevilTigermanually works, yes. after running the command you told me it pointed me in the right direction
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14:13.40mutanteDevilTiger: great, indeed the logs should say more
14:13.49DevilTigeradding some arguments to the ExecStart line was what i needed. networking "bug" i guess
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14:14.02DevilTigerhttps://github.com/joan2937/pigpio/issues/195#issuecomment-449774632
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14:14.15mutanteor the time it is started (before networking is too early) ?
14:14.19greycatIs this a third-party thing that you got from outside of Debian?
14:14.27DevilTigerit is fixed.
14:14.31DevilTigerthere is nothing left to fix.
14:14.49mutantedid you actually reboot yet ?:)
14:14.53DevilTigeryes :)
14:15.11mutanteok then
14:15.16greycatIs your fix going to be overwritten when you update this thing?
14:15.39DevilTigerjust needed to know where to look for why it failed to start. possibly. this is an embedded project that controls and arduino over i2c so it will never be getting updated
14:16.10DevilTigeralso there's a good possibly the bug will be patched as its noted in the github issue as to why  the issue happens in the firstp lace
14:16.13greycatSo, "I can't tell you what it is, or where I got it, or what change I made"
14:16.14Tichothis is how spam-sending botnet zombies always start :)
14:16.14greycatYay.
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14:16.32DevilTigeri could tell you but you could also just click the link and find all those things out yourself
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14:16.50DevilTigeras the issue is not present anymore is it really worth it to you?
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14:17.21greycatI am *trying* to figure out whether it's *REALLY FIXED* or "I edited a random file and it'll be reverted when I update the package".
14:17.25DevilTigermutante: thank you
14:17.29greycatSince you know nothing and will TELL US nothing, it's the lattger.
14:17.30greycatHave fun.
14:17.32greycat*plonk*
14:17.34DevilTigerthank you!
14:17.37DevilTigeri will
14:18.07DevilTigerand if random = to file listed in comment i directly linked then yes, random file
14:18.28mutanteDevilTiger: np.. never getting updats is scary :)
14:18.37greycatHappy Tuesday, greycat.  Welcome to IRC, where nobody will tell you what the hell they're doing.
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14:18.51DevilTigerthe issue is fixed. there is nothing else to know
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14:19.19mutanteas far as you know
14:19.21DevilTigerif you want to know how it got fixed you're more than welcome to read the github issue detailing the issue and the fix. beyond that i'm not sure what you want
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14:20.16mutantehe wanted to prevent you having the same issue again
14:20.32DevilTigeri do not need that. i needed the command you provided
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14:20.59DevilTigerit was helpful, i provided my thanks for the help. idk what else to do here.
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14:28.17Lybertacan I use overlayfs to trick apt to install packages into my home directory?
14:28.51greycatCreate a chrooted Debian installation (with debootstrap) and install in there.
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14:29.30Lybertagreycat, ..buut.. that would create essentially separate OS, right?
14:29.40greycatYes, which appears to be what you want.
14:29.43AlexNagygreycat, I used the printer dialogue in system settings. It's only showing their address as localhost. They are on the wifi, but don't know where they are.
14:30.30Lybertagreycat, no, I want to install a couple of packages into my home directory so that I don't have to use root user
14:30.48Kingsyjelly: jif you are still around --> https://hastebin.com/yuyekeloqu.makefile <-- that ios the output of those commands.
14:31.05greycatLyberta: extract the files from the .deb yourself
14:31.23greycatLyberta: they won't WORK in the general case, because the pathnames will be wrong, but hey, it's your $HOME
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14:31.54Lybertagreycat, .... but the software I use tries to call "sudo apt-get".. I just want to trick it to install to home instead
14:32.23greycatif the thing you use is doing things you don't want it to do, stop using it
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14:33.00AlexNagyLyberta, you could just compile from sources and install it in $HOME, but that seems unwise.
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14:33.37Lybertagreycat, I want to overcome its problems, surely there is a way... I mean can't I write a process that will hook all filesystem syscalls and returns what I want?
14:33.43greycat*plonk*
14:33.51Zgroklnetfilter-persistent save >> script say exited with return code 1, is there a way to diagnose why ?
14:33.52greycatTuesday continues.
14:33.57LybertaAlexNagy, this is actually a package to build C++ stuff......
14:34.27LybertaAlexNagy, https://github.com/bincrafters/conan-sdl2 it tries to call apt
14:34.45AlexNagyI'm following grey's lead, Lyberta. Install it in the normal place and work with it like that. Or don't. Either way.
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14:35.46rnoeauHello there, I've asked for some help on debian-next but it seems not a lot of people talk there
14:36.02LybertaI'm looking at Docker but it seems to create something like entire OS, is there a more lightweight alternative?
14:36.10greycatYou never asked an actual *question*.
14:36.13AlexNagyThe only thing I can think of, greycat, is that I'm connected directly to the printers and not through the network. In that case, localhost would be a proper network identifier?
14:36.16greycatYou just talked a lot about wanting to upgrade.
14:36.44rnoeauyou're talking to me greycat ?
14:37.01greycatAlexNagy: walk over to the printer and try to get it to tell you its IP address on an LCD panel or by printing a settings page
14:37.44AlexNagyI don't know where the printer is. I'm wanting an IP address so maybe I can pull up it's MAC and trace it down in the network documentation.
14:37.48greycat09:57 [oftc]  rnoeau|#debian-next> Greetings  09:59 [oftc]  rnoeau|#debian-next> I've freshly installed Debian stable  10:00 [oftc]  rnoeau|#debian-next> I read the wiki of course  10:01 [oftc]  rnoeau|#debian-next> I'll send a privatebin in a second,  10:01 [oftc]  rnoeau|#debian-next> here you go
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14:37.55greycatNo question.  Not a one, anywhere.
14:38.22rnoeauhaha sorry, i forgot a question mark, I just wanted to be sure what i've is good
14:38.47rnoeaumay we move on that special channel instead ?
14:40.01rnoeau(if you're available of course)
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14:57.03catphishi implemented some persistent-net udev rules and they don't seem to work, can anyone suggest what might be wrong here? https://i.imgur.com/Pwwbzrz.png (sorry about image paste)
14:58.00catphishoh, i think maybe the kernel already renamed them
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14:59.46SerajewelKScatphish: check in /usr/share/doc/udev i think...
14:59.56SerajewelKScatphish: the 70-persistent-net file was deprecated IIRC
15:00.15SerajewelKSthere's some other systemd-ish way to do it or something
15:00.24Tenkawahey all'
15:00.45catphishSerajewelKS: my screenshot was useless but i found the problem, i specified KERNEL="eth*" but that failed to match because the kernel had already renamed it
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15:03.47darxmurfhi again
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15:04.46darxmurfI don't know what's wrong with MDADM but when I boot my machine, it displays 50 lines of "No arrays found in config file or automatically" and then drops me on (initramfs)
15:05.22darxmurfI booted a USB stick, removed lines in mdadm.conf but it did not change anything
15:05.26darxmurfhow can I fix that ?
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15:11.18msiismam i right in assuming that the alternatives system is not the recommended way to make per-user customizations to a debian system (in general)?
15:11.44sikundarxmurf, "mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm.conf" then "update-initramfs -u && update-grub"
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15:12.06sikunwhen you boot off the USB drive of course
15:12.36darxmurfah, from busybox, nothing to do to save the situation ?
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15:12.58sikunthe arrays have to be running though, so you'll have to start them via mdadm
15:13.23darxmurfbut what I don't understand is those array are not hosting the OS
15:13.26darxmurfthere is nothing on it
15:13.30darxmurfI just created them
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15:13.52darxmurfone was wrongly done, I --stop and --remove it and now it's crashed
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15:14.14sikunbut in order for a successful boot, the array needs to be enabled. did you run update-initramfs -u after you updated mdadm.conf ?
15:14.26sikunand update-grub
15:14.35darxmurfnop
15:15.14sikundo that, and then see if your system boots
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15:15.41darxmurfeven if you edit grub and boot with init=/bin/bash it crashes
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15:26.10minushi, i'm having troubles with a preseed install. i have `d-i passwd/make-user boolean false` in my preseed file, but i still get prompted for the new user creation. this is the preseed file i'm using: https://paste.sr.ht/%7Eminus/3bc929131d36ebe5b5e3b06b22b07239c98a01c2
15:26.10darxmurfsikun: still not booting. mdadm --detail --scan did not return anything
15:26.30darxmurfthere is no arrays declaration in mdadm.conf
15:26.44darxmurfthen I launched update-initramfs and update grub
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15:27.21darxmurfthere is no more mdadm error messages at boot but I fall in busybox
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15:29.33darxmurfhmmm when booting in verbose mode I have 50 times: Running /scripts/local/block...
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15:29.54darxmurfand under busybox when I launch mdadm --detail --scan it displays something
15:30.02SerajewelKScatphish: ah, nice
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15:30.35darxmurfok I will chroot in the system and remove mdadm it will probably fix the issue
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15:30.59darxmurfand this fooking HP server which takes 10000 hours to initialize on each boot
15:32.34jhutchinsI'm looking for some links that would help explain to a non-technical person "What is Linux?".  Basic introduction for someone who doesn't deal with things on the OS level.
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15:33.31sikundarxmurf, mdadm --examine --scan --verbose
15:33.37n4diris there much to say about it on the non-technical level? jhutchins
15:33.49darxmurfsikun: in rescue mode ?
15:33.54sikunyeah
15:33.55n4dirin general wikipedia isn't that bad when it comes to such questions.
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15:34.40darxmurfsikun: I have one array here
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15:34.52darxmurf<PROTECTED>
15:34.59rantjhutchins: there is plenty on the about section of debian.org and Peter Wayner's Free For All is available free online and is a non technical intro to foss
15:35.19Number6Hi! I'm running Debian 9. How can I install php-mapi for php 7.3?
15:35.30darxmurfshould I mdadm --remove it ?
15:35.56SerajewelKShmm having the system drop you to initramfs because an array didn't assemble, even though it's not required to boot, is very strange
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15:36.28sikun^
15:36.41SerajewelKSsomething else is wrong if that's happening
15:36.47rantyoud need noerror opts on any fs it contains in fstab
15:36.49nkuttler,v php-mapi
15:36.50juddPackage: php-mapi on amd64 -- sid: 8.7.0-1; buster: 8.7.0-2
15:36.52SerajewelKSNumber6: PHP 7.3 is not in debian 9
15:37.02Number6SerajewelKS: I know, I used a repo
15:37.16rantor else it IS considered req
15:37.19SerajewelKSNumber6: then the answer is, check in that repo
15:38.14SerajewelKSif it's not there you may have to compile it yourself.  PHP 7.3 isn't officially supported in stretch if it's not in the official repos.  if you wander away from the official repos you're kind of on your own because we don't know what some random repo does.
15:38.23Number6:-(
15:38.29darxmurfsikun: --remove on this ghost array should fix the issue ?
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15:38.57SerajewelKShonestly just zeroing the superblocks of the raid members should do the trick as well, if the array is exclusively being found by probing
15:39.13SerajewelKSif you make sure that there's no references in mdadm.conf, and you zero the superblocks of the members, the array ceases to exist
15:39.26SerajewelKS(assuming that you don't need any data on the array)
15:40.47darxmurfokay I zeroed superblock, update-initramfs and grub
15:40.49darxmurfwill see
15:41.04SerajewelKSgood luck
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15:41.19darxmurfthis server is a nightmare
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15:41.48SerajewelKSi feel your pain
15:41.56darxmurfWill never make a good picture of HP from now :D
15:42.07darxmurfcrap
15:42.13SerajewelKSi have an HP server at my house.  it feels like it takes a year to POST.
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15:42.23darxmurf2 servers to reinstall 2 nightmares
15:42.24SerajewelKSbut once it's running, it works well enough
15:42.31darxmurfwell...
15:42.43darxmurfthe 1st one I reinstalled looks fine
15:42.46rantjhutchins: https://www.wayner.org/node/5  https://www.debian.org/intro/about
15:42.48SerajewelKSi had some weird boot issues but i'm not sure how much of that was the BIOS and how much of it was grub.  but moving /boot to its own volume fixed them.
15:42.50darxmurfbut this one :-x
15:43.03darxmurfand what the hell, you need licenses for everything
15:43.10darxmurfeven to update the bios
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15:44.16SerajewelKSyeah it's a bit of a racket
15:44.23darxmurfwtf it's still droping me in busybox
15:44.28SerajewelKSi refuse to buy an iLO license for a home server
15:44.53SerajewelKSi just have the VGA port connected to my desktop's monitor and i switch inputs when i need to use it
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15:45.37SerajewelKSi'm glad that you can at least use iLO for free until the OS begins to boot, so you can deal with POST issues without needing to futz with cables.  generally once the guest comes up (if it does correctly) then i have ssh anyway.
15:45.40dzove855$/6
15:45.41darxmurfthe ILO on this one allows me to remote the screen for like 1 minute
15:45.59SerajewelKSyeah.  once the BIOS transfers control to the OS bootloader you have a timer.
15:45.59__m4ch1n3__then hurry up
15:46.05darxmurf^^
15:46.06SerajewelKSbut you can use iLO indefinitely in the BIOS
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15:46.37SerajewelKSokay so, does it give you any errors when it drops you to the initramfs shell?
15:46.38darxmurfwow, is this dumb mdadm unhappy because the mdadm.conf file is empty ???
15:46.48SerajewelKSis it?
15:46.58darxmurfyep, I don't have RAID arrays anymore with it
15:47.06SerajewelKSi mean is that why it's unhappy?
15:47.14darxmurflook like
15:47.21SerajewelKSif you don't have an mdadm.conf then update-initramfs shouldn't configure the initrd for raid
15:47.23darxmurfwait, I'll rescue again
15:47.32SerajewelKShow are you invoking update-initramfs?
15:47.32darxmurfthere is a file but empty
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15:47.43SerajewelKShmm
15:47.49SerajewelKSi'd suggest adding "-k all"
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15:47.58darxmurfwait, I delete the mdadm conf file
15:48.06SerajewelKSjust run mkconf
15:48.37SerajewelKSthe standard is: /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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15:48.57SerajewelKSi don't know why there's not some script in $PATH to do it, like update-mdadm
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15:49.17SerajewelKSonce you run that, make sure it doesn't list any arrays
15:49.27SerajewelKSthen "update-initramfs -u -k all" and reboot
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15:51.36darxmurfwhen I run update-initramfs it says "W: mdadm.conf defines no arrays"
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15:53.24darxmurfokay, last chance, I removed mdadm --purge
15:53.26darxmurffook it
15:53.27darxmurfdamn
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15:54.33darxmurfSerajewelKS: just to know, after any change or whatever on md arrays I should run update-initramfs ?
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15:56.53darxmurfokay... now it still displays "running /scripts/local-block/... 50 times
15:56.57darxmurfand busybox
15:57.21darxmurfWTF, in busybox this folder does not even exists
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16:04.01Walexdarxmurf: depends at which point the MD set is used, but it is a good ideaanyhow.
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16:05.22darxmurfWalex: I removed mdadm
16:05.54darxmurfwhy the hell my boot loops on this /scripts/local-block/ folder which is not existing ?
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16:25.35darxmurfnow when updating grub it says cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdg1 check your device.map
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16:26.27darxmurfI dont have device.map file...
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16:27.47darxmurfah dumb it's my USB key
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16:35.00rander2hello
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16:43.30Unplesantryhi
16:43.40Unplesantryhow to create a custom launcher
16:44.14Unplesantrynot just a terminal comand
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16:44.37Unplesantryi mean my shell script is working fine as a luncher
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16:45.00aloo_shuUnplesantry: for example, by looking at an existing one, and editing
16:45.04Unplesantrybut now i want to add more commands
16:45.08Unplesantrywhen you close it
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16:46.31galaxieHi, I was wondering, I'm trying to flash Debian onto a BeagleBone device, I'm supposed to or at least am able to flash it onto eMMC. I'm confused as to what exactly would get flashed. Is it just the kernel and other supporting stuff? Or does it include Debian packages I install? I only have 2 or 4 GB of eMMC so I wanted to know how much would be used and if I can configure it to install stuff to microSD.
16:46.58aloo_shuthat's if your talking a launcher aka .desktop file, otherwise, you're probably looking at a *wrapper script* (which could still be called from a launcher), Unplesantry
16:47.59Unplesantryok so
16:48.09Unplesantryi want to add it to cairo dock too
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16:48.26Unplesantryright now i just made it from cairo dock pointing to a shell script
16:48.40Unplesantrybut i want to add that closing feature
16:48.50darxmurfstill busybox
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16:49.06darxmurfjust before that it says gave up resume partition
16:49.17darxmurfthe swap partition is correct
16:49.27darxmurfin fstab and initramfs conf
16:49.45darxmurfI don't understand how deleting a simple MD array can wreck a full server
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16:50.56rander2http://paste.debian.net/1073781/
16:51.29rander2the line number 8
16:52.19rander2how is my hdd ?
16:52.32aloo_shuUnplesantry: make your script something like echo before; myprogram; echo after; invoke from a shell, and check if myprogram returns to the calling script properly
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16:53.41aloo_shuunless you make it exec myprogram, in theory, it *should* return, Unplesantry
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16:56.49hescoon a new installation of deian 9.7, my system has never recognized eth0, and now reboots fail to bring up the wifi as well.  I am most concerned with the wired connection.  There is no evidence of it in the /var/log/messages.  I've poked about in the BIOS and have found nothing that seems to control it.
16:57.01hescoAny ideas how to put this machine back online?
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16:57.43Unplesantryhmm
16:57.48Unplesantryi need more information
16:58.32greycathesco: the interface name may not be "eth0" any more.  Check "ip link" or "netstat -in" or similar.
16:58.42aloo_shuhesco ip link list could be as start
16:59.07darxmurfokay fuck it, I reinstall the machine
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17:01.15Unplesantrylol
17:01.19Unplesantrythats the spirit
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17:02.23aloo_shuhard is the life of the dark smurf..
17:02.52Unplesantrythe winds are shifting
17:03.42hescogreycat, aloo_shu:  thanks for the guidance.  netstat command not found, and `ip link list` shows only lo and wlp3s0, the wifi interface which is DOWN
17:04.05greycatit's not finding the ethernet interface at all?  that sounds like a hardware issue.
17:04.39greycat(or the hardware is simply unsupported by this kernel, or you need a third party driver, etc.)
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17:12.12__m4ch1n3__hesco, sounds like you are missing non-free device firmware files
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17:13.18__m4ch1n3__https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/
17:13.31jellyfirmware for wired devices usually enables extra acceleration features, not the whole dev
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17:14.14jellyhesco: can you pastebin output of "lspci -nn", showing the network device in question?
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17:26.44NetTerminalGenedoes firefox-esr on debian use system ca root certificates?
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17:27.10jellyNetTerminalGene: absolutely yes
17:27.44NetTerminalGenejelly, not firefox internal certificates?
17:28.02NetTerminalGenei mean certificates that mozilla trust
17:28.31jellyNetTerminalGene: certs from Debian's ca-certificates package do come from Mozilla
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17:28.50NetTerminalGeneah!
17:28.55jellyand you can add your own CA .pem to /usr/local/share/ca-certificates, run update-ca-certificates, restart the browser and access sites signed with that
17:30.06NetTerminalGenejelly, i asked this, because DarkMatter surveillance company asked mozilla to trust their root ca
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17:31.13NetTerminalGeneDarkMatter is united arab emirates surveillance company that supported by US
17:31.15jellyNetTerminalGene: and do you think people maintaining ca-certificates have not read the same thing and plan to do the smart thing?
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17:31.37jellyit was all over the news
17:32.05NetTerminalGenei don't know whether they would so smart thing
17:32.11NetTerminalGenedo*
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17:35.51jellyNetTerminalGene: but you do trust them implicitely by using debian at all.
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17:36.21NetTerminalGene:/
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17:37.12jellyin any case it's not hard to dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates and exclude the CAs you think are not trustworthy
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17:42.07NetTerminalGeneit sounds like advanced stuff. trouble
17:42.15NetTerminalGenefor me
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17:55.18jellyit's really not, you untick some CAs, and they stay unticked and not active and not trusted
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18:17.04SerajewelKSNetTerminalGene: if you distrust that CA then you distrust far more than DarkMatter-related things
18:17.18SerajewelKSit breaks a lot of sites that aren't related to DarkMatter and weren't issued certs by DarkMatter
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18:25.01SerajewelKSpulse never ceases to amaze me.  pulse with the equalizer plugin has extreme lag and pops.
18:25.17SerajewelKSbut pulse sending auto to jack, then jack to ardour, ardour back to jack, jack to alsa -- no lag and flawless
18:26.13SerajewelKSrunning pulse on jack instead of pulse on alsa has resolved basically all of my audio issues
18:26.39SerajewelKSi would never have believed that if i didn't try it
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18:27.42SerajewelKSand then you insert ardour into the system and get a full-blown DAW so i can compress specific audio streams, eq others... it's fantastic
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18:39.16xaeB5can anyone recommend some easy to use software in debian repos to rip/convert a dvd disc to a single .mp4 file?
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18:40.42xaeB5its a non-encrypted dvd if that matters
18:40.55jmcnaughtxaeB5: did you try handbrake?
18:41.40xaeB5jmcnaught: no i did some searching online but wanted to see what was recommended for debian. i can check out handbrake if it can do that
18:41.43xaeB5thanks
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19:00.09masonxaeB5: Handbrake works well if you're moving to mp4. I like vobcopy for mirroring.
19:00.37xaeB5ill do both, thanks mason
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19:02.16masonxaeB5: If you're using handbrake, look at the settings - two-pass and variable bitrate can be space-savers without impacting quality.
19:02.35xaeB5so if anyone has handbrake exprience, i selected my source and pointed it to the dvd, it scanned and found some files on there. but the "Start" button is greyed out so not sure how i can actually start the conversion process. mpeg-4 is already selected from format drop-down
19:02.39diogenes_Hello guys, do you know any network traffic monitoring tool to see what is using the most of internet bandwidth just now?
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19:02.59masonxaeB5: Maybe you have to select a chapter or a destination.
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19:03.49xaeB5mason: i gave it a destination folder which is just home directory, and under the chapters tab there is nothing so i guess the dvd doesn't have any chapters
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19:07.17masonxaeB5: And you have a name typed into the "save as" field?
19:08.29xaeB5yes im going to try and eject and dvd and put it back in because it did sound like it wasn't spinning right. i'm copying the files off manually to have a backup first then i will mess around with handbrake again
19:08.31Tenkawadiogenes_: tcpdump would be a start although it deals with low level data so you would probably want a front end to go with it
19:08.50Tenkawaunless you want to do packet level analysis
19:08.57masonxaeB5: I'm not altogether sure what you're seeing, unfortunately. But if you keep poking at it you'll get it.
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19:09.21diogenes_Tenkawa, thank you, gonna check that out.
19:09.33xaeB5mason: it's fine i'll figure it out thanks for the help
19:09.34Tenkawasure no problem
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19:11.07Tenkawastill cant believe his eyes watching 16 threads compiling at once on one machine
19:11.20Tenkawa(especially a notebook)
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19:12.29aloo_shuSerajewelKS: have you ever checked the priorities pulse is running at as main server vs. under jack?
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19:17.13aloo_shuSerajewelKS: if jack simply were better at being granted swift scheduling by the kernel, that would roughly fit symptoms, and jack pkg could indeed come with a few tweaks not implemented on a normal desktop distro
19:18.01xaeB5mason: it's working now fyi
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19:19.26masonxaeB5: Nice - what was wrong with the first run?
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19:23.10xaeB5mason: no idea. i had to eject the dvd and put it back in before it would spin properly
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19:23.21xaeB5was struggling to spin before that
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19:28.38masonxaeB5: Alright, maybe that was it then. Cool, either way.
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20:04.40Kobaztrying to use debian-ports on i386/jessie... what would be the proper sources line?
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20:05.29greycatWhat is "debian-ports"?
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20:05.58Kobazhttps://www.ports.debian.org/
20:06.30Kobaztrying to install earlyoom on i386 jessie, having a hard time finding packages
20:06.45Kobazi seee there's an x32, not sure how that differs yet from i386
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20:09.11Kobazlooks like you need an x64 host for x32, so meh, that's not going to work
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20:18.58SerajewelKSaloo_shu: sorry, internet had issues for a moment
20:19.15SerajewelKSaloo_shu: running pulse with realtime scheduling didn't fix anything
20:19.32SerajewelKStrust me, i've tried tweaking pulse in just about every imaginable way
20:20.47aloo_shuthen it looks like pulse's components being of varied quality, and the jack source & sink in the better half
20:21.03SerajewelKScould be
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20:23.14aloo_shuhave you tried, for fun, switching a pulse eq module in while pulse is running under jack?
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20:55.52n_1-c_kOn my lan I have two computers, both running Debian stable.  One has a printer attached via USB and can print.  I would like also to print from the other computer.  Can this feat be accomplished?
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20:58.37festerjester@n_1-c_k: I think you maybe looking to share the printer via samba
20:58.45greycatvia CUPS, surely
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21:00.46n_1-c_kI've been trying through CUPS and after eleventy million attempts have partial communication.  But the server says "HTTP_STATE_WAITING Closing for error 32 (Broken pipe)", among many others things, it no print appears...
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21:01.28n_1-c_kMaybe I *should* try samba?
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21:03.29festerjesterI have not shared a printer via samba, but I know it is possible. There was one setup through samba at my last job.
21:03.46greycatI would only go that way if there are also Windows clients on the network that want to print too.
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21:05.35n_1-c_kgreycat: that would have been my response too, about two hours ago.  Now, I'm not so sure.
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21:08.15antto,v kicad
21:08.16juddPackage: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; jessie-backports-sloppy: 4.0.7+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; experimental: 5.1~20190127.4fc692f+dfsg1-1
21:09.42n_1-c_kGasp, my eleventy million and third attempt appears to be working!  Not much thanks to the "help" provided by cups, sadly.
21:10.13n_1-c_kCUPS is no friendlier than it was 15 years ago :(  Not that I've done anything to fix it myself.
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21:13.39festerjesterAnyone know how to change screen resolution from a tty when there is no x session?
21:13.58_m4ch1n3_intel gpu?
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21:14.08festerjesteryes
21:15.53_m4ch1n3_1) echo "options i915 modeset=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf
21:16.08_m4ch1n3_2) add bootoption: video=1280x720
21:16.16_m4ch1n3_or any other res you want
21:17.36_m4ch1n3_edit "/etc/default/grub"
21:18.16_m4ch1n3_GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="video=1280x720"
21:18.29_m4ch1n3_then update-grub
21:18.32_m4ch1n3_reboot
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21:22.05festerjesteractually, doesn't look like I have grub
21:22.10festerjesterlooks like syslinux
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21:22.45OS-43533!joe
21:22.45dpkgThe LAST ULTIMATE EDITOR, BETTER THAN ALL
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21:23.06_m4ch1n3_oh k, duno how its done in syslinux but bootoption is same for sure
21:23.54_m4ch1n3_just add to the line that starts with "linux ..." video=<XRES>x<YRES> at the end
21:26.22_m4ch1n3_you could "ls /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
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21:26.40_m4ch1n3_if file exsists you have propably grub
21:28.04_m4ch1n3_you should also take resolution that is supported by your display + gpu
21:30.24festerjesterI am trying to set a resolution of 800x600 so I should hope that is supported
21:30.48_m4ch1n3_https://wiki.archlinux.de/title/Syslinux
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21:32.19_m4ch1n3_seems that you should add video=XxY to the line that starts with APPEND
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21:34.38_m4ch1n3_regular display should be able to handle 800x600
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21:39.23trystenrwp: plug something in that you know and examine lsusb?
21:39.37trystensorry for ping, i was scrolled up.
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21:40.11trystenSanity check. If I put Require all denied in an .htaccess file, it should basically block that directory, right?
21:40.14jellyfesterjester: what kind of hardware platform is this that does not use grub?
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21:43.35festerjester@jelly: it is actually slax 9
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21:44.26festerjesterjelly: but there is no one in the slax irc right now
21:44.46jellybe patient, and ask in the right channel
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21:45.05jelly(or, say, ##linux if you think it might be a more generic issue)
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21:45.57jellyI'm assuming "slax 9" is some sort of linux distro, and not a piece of hardware.
21:46.37festerjesterslax 9 is a slightly modified version of debian. Designed to boot from USB
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21:48.19jellyright.  If it's "slightly modified" you want to ask the people who did the modifications
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21:52.07festerjester_m4ch1n3_: Thank you for the help. I think the i915.conf was the missing piece. Also, in the syslinux.cfg file I had to change "vga=normal" to "vga=789"
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23:03.33f-aI am using urxvt, what do I have to apt-get to display this 👏  not as a box?
23:06.40aexlf-a: https://superuser.com/questions/509950/why-are-unicode-characters-not-rendering-correctly/510051 ?
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23:08.20f-aaexl: xterm (trying now) does not display the character too
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23:14.56aloo_shuf-a: if the character isn't displaying, it means the chosen font doesn't have it, or possibly no system font has it. If you had the two byte unicode number of that char, you might luck out searching packages
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23:16.15aloo_shuor, more generally, name or code could allow you to identify character *sets* the character is typically part of, and search these
23:17.04jmcnaught,i fonts-symbola
23:17.05juddPackage fonts-symbola (fonts, optional) in stretch/amd64: symbolic font providing emoji characters from Unicode 7.0. Version: 2.59-1; Size: 1186.3k; Installed: 2966k; Homepage: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
23:17.08f-aaloo_shu: I am using Monospace, how to check whether it is present?
23:17.15f-aand I *did* install fonts-symbola
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23:19.35n0000b__after update LOCAL* stuff try close all open X sessions and relogin
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23:22.10aexlread my link
23:22.15__m4ch1n3__damn see only box too :D
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23:24.05__m4ch1n3__but also in firefox and hexchat
23:24.15aloo_shuwould be a first step to see the new font picked up anywhere (e.g. notepad app)
23:25.14f-aaloo_shu: gets picked up in leafpad
23:25.17EdePopedeliberation mono and it works. but don't such things get displayed with alternative fonts?
23:25.35f-aand font there is "monospace", as in urxvt/xterm
23:26.00aloo_shuand then, technically, emojis don't belong to any one font, right?, how is that handled
23:26.46__m4ch1n3__how would be exact Xresource name for liberation mono?
23:27.08EdePopedeiirc it was in #hexchat where someone mentioned that substitution thing
23:27.42EdePopede__m4ch1n3__: xfontsel may be of help. though i don't remember if it can use arbitrary strings for the preview
23:28.17EdePopedeor maybe there is something with a 'g' in front. xfontsel is a real oldschooler :)
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23:29.14EdePopedethere should be gucharmap
23:29.28f-asolved
23:29.30f-aURxvt*font: xft:Monospace:size=9:antialias=true:hinting=true,xft:Symbola
23:29.44f-aadding ,xft:Symbola did the trick (line from .XDefaults)
23:31.17f-athanks everyone
23:31.38aexli don't have any Xdefaults
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23:32.56__m4ch1n3__.Xresources maybe?
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23:33.52__m4ch1n3__hmm doesnt work for me :(
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23:34.09f-a__m4ch1n3__: ha to restart X
23:34.13f-a*had
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23:35.35__m4ch1n3__hmmm
23:35.39__m4ch1n3__:(
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23:36.31__m4ch1n3__URxvt.font: xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=14:antialias=true:hinting=true,xft:Symbola
23:36.42__m4ch1n3__but it doesnt work
23:36.56f-a__m4ch1n3__: have you installed fonts-symbola
23:37.29__m4ch1n3__no :3
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23:38.37aexlme neither but i can see the unicode char
23:38.37__m4ch1n3__yes baby
23:39.09f-awell done __m4ch1n3__
23:40.24__m4ch1n3__👏
23:40.33__m4ch1n3__ah nice
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23:41.13__m4ch1n3__but is antialias & hinting enabled for both?
23:41.14aexli can't see that one in chrome though
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23:41.41__m4ch1n3__or should i add it again aftter xft:
23:43.18EdePopede.Xresources, .Xdefaults - one of them is history, the other one to be used now. one is read at login, one for every shell. but which is which :shrug:
23:44.53aaroXdefaults is the history one
23:45.08__m4ch1n3__look at last modification date?
23:46.56aexli've got a folder /etc/X11/Xresources/ - one of the files is x11-common from 2009 ...
23:48.25aexlmy ~/.Xresources is from 2017 but only contains a link to xscreensaver.log
23:49.01__m4ch1n3__now how do i make this work on debian? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode/Tips_and_tricks#Advanced_tab_management
23:50.23__m4ch1n3__tabbedex instead of tabbed
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23:51.38__m4ch1n3__the only way to close tasbs with default tabbed perl extension is to type exit into tab, that sucks
23:52.47aaroi'd rather use a multiplexer like tmux, screen or dvtm
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23:58.14_m4ch1n3_ctrl + righ click = dropdown menu with copy/past from/to clipboard
23:58.34_m4ch1n3_*paste
23:58.56_m4ch1n3_tmux cant do that or?
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