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| 11:08.08 | nkuttler | tkzv: can you do an "ls" in the directory you run this command from? |
| 11:08.32 | nkuttler | tkzv: let's also take this to #python |
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| 11:11.01 | tkzv | nkuttler: I was hoping there's a Debian package that installs "http" for Python 3. |
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| 11:17.58 | at0m | tkzv: "aptitude search python | grep http" has some hints. that's what i always do so i can later apt upgrade my stuff. with pip, ymmv |
| 11:18.57 | n4dir | another option would be aptitude search python http |
| 11:21.57 | at0m | n4dir: oh, thanks, didn't know search terms were accumulative. more convenient indeed |
| 11:22.50 | n4dir | i had to learn it here too. btw: sometimes i still prefer using grep, prefer as in: works sometimes better |
| 11:23.51 | at0m | also, aptitude defaults to search in package names, while apt search defaults to name+description |
| 11:24.48 | n4dir | never got my head into aptitude, i always used apt-get (and the details of that i don't know well either :-( ) |
| 11:25.07 | n4dir | you can tell apt-get --names-only though |
| 11:25.44 | at0m | long writing is long |
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| 11:27.18 | at0m | oh wow. aptitude search python http | wc -l |
| 11:27.18 | at0m | 8204 |
| 11:27.24 | at0m | better grep |
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| 11:29.42 | greatgatsby | python3 -m http.server |
| 11:29.45 | greatgatsby | that doesn't work? |
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| 11:31.50 | greatgatsby | at0m, ^^^^ |
| 11:32.24 | johnbristol | On a headless debian box with wlan0, I have several SSID/Passwords in wpa_supplicant.conf. If pings to the current server fail, what file do I change to cycle through the alternative servers? |
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| 11:34.07 | greatgatsby | sorry, that should be for tkzv, http should be builtin, and 'python3 -m http.server' should start a simple webserver |
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| 11:37.08 | bingbotboom | dhclient is it |
| 11:37.11 | bipul | I am using gnome as a desktop |
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| 12:49.18 | StrongBit | hello |
| 12:49.29 | StrongBit | I am trying to upgrade from stable to testing |
| 12:50.06 | StrongBit | https://0bin.net/paste/HS0PgwZAnuaj5h2F#QRxWm+pIK5NvgQzltaR1S6lPp5QnrjGuROSKwCMTrVU |
| 12:50.20 | StrongBit | any help? |
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| 13:06.46 | r4co0n | StrongBit, have you found https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages ? Especially section 4.4.4 might help here. |
| 13:07.17 | r4co0n | StrongBit, the whole document is very helpful when upgrading. |
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| 13:09.31 | StrongBit | r4co0n: yes. I have actually first done apt-get update |
| 13:09.33 | StrongBit | upgrade |
| 13:09.36 | StrongBit | and dist-upgrade |
| 13:09.42 | StrongBit | it breaks on dist-upgrade |
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| 13:15.51 | r4co0n | StrongBit, what does 'apt policy plasma-framework' say? |
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| 13:16.13 | r4co0n | StrongBit, it wants to install the stretch version. |
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| 13:20.55 | r4co0n | StrongBit, 'apt-mark showhold' might also be interesting. It lists held packages. |
| 13:21.08 | StrongBit | plasma-framework: |
| 13:21.08 | StrongBit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.08 | StrongBit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.08 | StrongBit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:21.28 | StrongBit | https://0bin.net/paste/VYVf6mv3G+qvHCb0#Whv4Q6evTuf-+dzWICP2rGXJL2tjZbi4lEoygY5miIL |
| 13:21.33 | StrongBit | sry what was the other cmd? |
| 13:22.11 | r4co0n | StrongBit, 'apt-mark showhold' ? |
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| 13:22.42 | r4co0n | StrongBit, apt policy output is alright. |
| 13:22.43 | StrongBit | badcoder@corsair:~$ apt-mark showhold |
| 13:22.44 | StrongBit | badcoder@corsair:~$ |
| 13:23.20 | r4co0n | StrongBit, and 'apt upgrade' would do nothing now? |
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| 13:25.00 | StrongBit | ok theres a lot of stuff to install |
| 13:25.03 | StrongBit | I said "Y" |
| 13:25.17 | StrongBit | 2Gigs |
| 13:26.11 | r4co0n | StrongBit, after the upgrade, try 'apt upgrade' again just to be sure, it should only list packages that can be automatically removed, then go on with 'apt dist-upgrade'. |
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| 13:27.45 | r4co0n | StrongBit, rebooting before the dist-upgrade could get painful, so try to avoid that. |
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| 13:37.01 | StrongBit | ill let you know the outcome |
| 13:37.53 | bipul | How would i control brightness and contrast ? I am using debian stretch Gnome. |
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| 13:52.59 | diogenes_ | bipul, with the brightness icon. |
| 13:53.55 | ayekat | it's also rather unlikely that you can configure the screen contrast settings from software |
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| 13:59.03 | bipul | dionysus69, It's not working at all. |
| 13:59.33 | bipul | It's aching in eye. |
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| 14:12.32 | bipul | How would i know the rpm speed of my cpu fan? |
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| 14:13.43 | ayekat | bipul: `sensors` should usually give that information |
| 14:14.11 | bipul | ayekat, Yes, i tried with sensors. But it's does not show any such relevant information. |
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| 14:16.02 | bipul | ayekat, Could you please tell me where i can look for 1. fan speed? 2. Status of fan speed at the moment 3. Temperature of my cpu ? |
| 14:16.08 | bipul | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1074335 |
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| 14:16.57 | ayekat | for some CPU models, the information does indeed not show up in `sensors` |
| 14:17.43 | ayekat | bipul: fan info is typically somewhere under /sys/class/hwmon - but that's probably not convenient enough |
| 14:18.12 | ayekat | (the various pwm files contain the current state of the fan, and can also be used to control the fan speed) |
| 14:18.34 | ayekat | (but I urge you to read up on how they work, because just doing random things there is a reliable way to break your hardware) |
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| 14:19.47 | ayekat | bipul: is that the full output of `sensors`, though? it doesn't show any info for your CPU at all, it seems |
| 14:19.56 | bipul | Aw!! I don't likes to break my hardware. I'm just concerned with my laptop temperature, since it's getting high. |
| 14:20.15 | nkuttler | bipul: try running sensors-detect first |
| 14:20.33 | bipul | ayekat, Yes, that's what i get as output when i ran `sensors` |
| 14:20.45 | ayekat | +1 for sensors-detect |
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| 14:24.02 | bipul | Please find the logs of from the command `sudo sensors-detect` https://paste.debian.net/plain/1074337 Kindly do share if you found anything relevant inside it. |
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| 14:54.31 | anonymous83719 | how can i prepare a Debian9 to boot on new hardware? i was using a thinkpad t500 and now i am moving to a brand new acer |
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| 14:57.26 | anonymous83719 | i think i'm booting into rescue or single user. i just have a TTY and limited commands |
| 14:59.16 | anonymous83719 | oh not limited commands |
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| 15:00.27 | anonymous83719 | assuming i can get myself a nice network connection , how can i get the new drivers? |
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| 15:04.27 | jelly | just install any new firmware that might be needed, free drivers are already there |
| 15:04.57 | raidghost | Looking for a webinterface frontend for libvirtd, any suggestion. The kimichi does not work on debian |
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| 15:14.48 | n--bdev | I installed kicad to play around with it, it install quite a few other programs besides just kicad. Any quick shell wash to uninstall all of them? |
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| 15:15.04 | n--bdev | I tried 'apt remove kicad' and it just got the one program |
| 15:15.09 | anonymous83719 | jelly, is there a way to scan the new hardware and install the required drivers, like what is done on install? |
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| 15:20.21 | BCMM | i'm not sure a special check *is* done at install, is it? does it automatically prompt you to install, say, nvidia drivers if you have an nvidia card? |
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| 15:23.42 | anonymous83719 | well i'm stuck in single user mode rather than in XFCE so i have no clue... |
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| 15:26.19 | anonymous83719 | BCMM, yes it does. hw-detect may be the package. |
| 15:26.39 | aloo_shu | a blind shot |
| 15:26.51 | aloo_shu | !autoclean |
| 15:26.53 | BCMM | "Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system." |
| 15:27.39 | anonymous83719 | yeah i saw that warning |
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| 15:40.44 | janolap1 | Hi, has anyone used Euclidean Pattern Generator ? |
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| 16:20.03 | nullbyte_ | how can i disable snap for gnome |
| 16:20.07 | nullbyte_ | snap.gnome on boot |
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| 16:21.11 | NetTerminalGene | if it is systemd service, you can disable with "systemctl disable whatever.service" |
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| 16:34.51 | epony | also you can disable systemd itself |
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| 16:38.50 | diogenes_ | epony, lol systemd is PID 1 |
| 16:39.34 | epony | that's terrible, what happened to init? |
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| 16:39.58 | jmcnaught | it got old and replaced |
| 16:40.08 | epony | oh, oh, oooh |
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| 16:41.30 | epony | Moved the status [OK] on the left side. |
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| 16:48.31 | zero4 | what's the best way to create a DEB package from source? |
| 16:48.53 | zero4 | I created a .deb with checkinstall, but I also need to add a few more things inside |
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| 16:49.09 | zero4 | so I did dpkg -R to extract it and I made my changes |
| 16:49.22 | zero4 | but now, how can I add all new files under /etc to conffiles? |
| 16:49.26 | zero4 | is this even the best way to do it? |
| 16:50.01 | Greyztar | would jigdo works as i think delta transfer is the word sort of transfer only changes to the file like rsync? |
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| 16:52.48 | Greyztar | never mind i found the debian page aout it cheers |
| 16:52.54 | johnjay | can anybody install chezscheme? |
| 16:53.00 | johnjay | i get an error about it depending on a virtual package |
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| 16:57.41 | __0xbadc0de_ | hello |
| 16:57.53 | __0xbadc0de_ | I am the guy who was here a few moments ago |
| 16:58.07 | __0xbadc0de_ | I was trying to get to from stable to testing |
| 16:58.24 | __0xbadc0de_ | as I heard by several colleagues that it was sooooooo easy |
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| 16:58.40 | __0xbadc0de_ | I just needed to replace stable by testing and updating, upgrading and then dist-upgrading |
| 16:58.42 | __0xbadc0de_ | so I did |
| 16:58.47 | __0xbadc0de_ | HOWEVER |
| 16:59.01 | __0xbadc0de_ | now I have a brick instead of a laptop |
| 16:59.18 | __0xbadc0de_ | so please, please help me out here |
| 16:59.40 | __0xbadc0de_ | basically upgrading went okay |
| 16:59.52 | __0xbadc0de_ | dist-upgrade failed because of some dependencies |
| 16:59.55 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, build a wall around Mexico with the bricks :) |
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| 17:00.18 | jmcnaught | __0xbadc0de_: did you follow the upgrade instructions in https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ ? |
| 17:00.30 | __0xbadc0de_ | then I rebooted my machine and now I get some messages in the boot screen related to some kernel modules failing to load |
| 17:01.04 | __0xbadc0de_ | and when I get to the authentication screen |
| 17:01.12 | __0xbadc0de_ | I no longer have GFX, only a terminal |
| 17:01.22 | __0xbadc0de_ | and after successfull authentication I have no more visual output |
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| 17:01.50 | __0xbadc0de_ | jmcnaught pretty much |
| 17:02.10 | __0xbadc0de_ | so please can someone help me out either fixing this and making stable run, or backtracking to the state I was before this? |
| 17:02.33 | jmcnaught | what were the packages that dist-upgrade couldn't upgrade? why did you reboot after that? |
| 17:02.48 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, did you have any proprietary stuff installed prior to upgrade? (like nvidia drivers) |
| 17:03.04 | __0xbadc0de_ | diogenes_ I own an nvidia GFX card |
| 17:03.10 | __0xbadc0de_ | this is an ASUS ROG laptop |
| 17:03.16 | __0xbadc0de_ | ~3K⬠laptop |
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| 17:03.51 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, i understand but did you have the nvidia proprietary driver installed? |
| 17:03.57 | diogenes_ | before started the upgrade? |
| 17:03.58 | __0xbadc0de_ | jmcnaught I dont recall honestly, and I have chosen to reboot because I had no internet connection, wireless stopped working |
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| 17:04.18 | __0xbadc0de_ | diogenes_ I probably had |
| 17:04.28 | __0xbadc0de_ | since this was my long running working machine |
| 17:04.36 | __0xbadc0de_ | I most certainly had NVIDIAs driver |
| 17:04.46 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, that could pretty much couse huge problems. |
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| 17:04.52 | __0xbadc0de_ | its hard to remember what I did 1 year ago |
| 17:04.59 | diogenes_ | cause* |
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| 17:06.06 | __0xbadc0de_ | makes sense, the kernel boot program was showing info way too fast |
| 17:06.26 | __0xbadc0de_ | but if I saw it correctly messages about failing nvidia kernel modules were there |
| 17:06.36 | __0xbadc0de_ | is there any way I can debug what is wrong |
| 17:06.43 | __0xbadc0de_ | and hopefully fix it? |
| 17:06.49 | __0xbadc0de_ | can I realistically fix this? |
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| 17:07.05 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, can you at least get to VT? ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 17:08.36 | __0xbadc0de_ | let me get a better setup |
| 17:08.42 | __0xbadc0de_ | luckly I have another laptop |
| 17:08.47 | __0xbadc0de_ | running windows XP |
| 17:09.07 | epony | hopefully soon you will have 2 :-) |
| 17:09.18 | __0xbadc0de_ | because atm I am actually using a windows 7 machine |
| 17:09.24 | __0xbadc0de_ | that i have dual booted into |
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| 17:14.12 | _0xbadc0de_xp | hello |
| 17:14.54 | _0xbadc0de_xp | hello |
| 17:15.23 | _0xbadc0de_xp | hey |
| 17:15.46 | _0xbadc0de_xp | asdasd |
| 17:16.01 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, Kevin Mitnick has a very bad opinion about Win Xp. |
| 17:16.32 | johnjay | the nvidia driver causes huuuuge problems? |
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| 17:17.01 | diogenes_ | johnjay, on upgrades, almost always. |
| 17:17.04 | epony | on better OSes there are no nvidia drivers |
| 17:17.05 | jmcnaught | it can, especially if you install it using the nvidia installer |
| 17:17.17 | _0xbadc0de_xp | hey |
| 17:17.25 | johnjay | hmm, i think i installed recently using the repackaged one |
| 17:17.26 | __0xbadc0de_ | lo |
| 17:17.31 | johnjay | don't recall what it's name was though |
| 17:17.54 | johnjay | i have an issue with noveau where it messes up with dual monitor |
| 17:18.04 | _0xbadc0de_xp | so what should I do to debug this? |
| 17:18.22 | diogenes_ | johnjay, nouveau is the best! |
| 17:18.42 | johnjay | diogenes_: it wasn't properly cloning my dual monitors |
| 17:18.56 | johnjay | so the little side-bar thing in ubuntu was invisible and off the screen |
| 17:19.05 | diogenes_ | johnjay, because it needs a bit of tweaking. |
| 17:19.06 | johnjay | i think it's the "dock" |
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| 17:19.15 | johnjay | maybe |
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| 17:21.29 | diogenes_ | johnjay, with the newest drivers, nvidia dumps support for really older cards and also with newer driver versions, it slows down the older still supported cards, thus, planned obsolescence, nouveau will never do such a thing. |
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| 17:22.40 | _0xbadc0de_xp63 | lo |
| 17:23.02 | _0xbadc0de_xp63 | ok, so how could I debug this |
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| 17:24.15 | __0xbadc0de_ | can someone please give me some times |
| 17:24.19 | __0xbadc0de_ | can someone please give me some tips* |
| 17:24.30 | __0xbadc0de_ | what should I do to debug whats wrong and fix what happened |
| 17:24.40 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, you need to purge nvidia from your system. |
| 17:25.01 | __0xbadc0de_ | you mean hardwarewise? |
| 17:26.17 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, i mean softwarewise. |
| 17:26.50 | __0xbadc0de_ | yes but how do I do that because I have no way of executing any cmd on my broken debian |
| 17:27.34 | diogenes_ | __0xbadc0de_, there are things like ctrl+alt+f1 if that doesn't work then there are things like chroot. |
| 17:27.58 | __0xbadc0de_ | ok and will that give me a shell? |
| 17:29.07 | diogenes_ | i should |
| 17:29.17 | __0xbadc0de_ | what should I execute once I get a shell then |
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| 17:29.24 | __0xbadc0de_ | I'll be offline when that happens |
| 17:30.17 | diogenes_ | sudo apt-get purge nvidia* |
| 17:30.36 | diogenes_ | then: sudo update-initramfs -u |
| 17:30.44 | diogenes_ | then: systemctl reboot |
| 17:30.49 | diogenes_ | and fingers crossed |
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| 17:42.22 | Guest94 | hello |
| 17:42.29 | _0xbadc0de | hello |
| 17:42.52 | _0xbadc0de | after purging nvidia the screen resolution during boot was improved (more resolution) |
| 17:43.17 | _0xbadc0de | but I still have no visual output after successfull authentication |
| 17:43.32 | _0xbadc0de | the only two issues I saw during kernel startup was: |
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| 17:44.14 | _0xbadc0de | [Firmware Bug]: TSC_deadline please update to firmware version 0x17 |
| 17:44.20 | _0xbadc0de | something along these lines |
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| 17:46.35 | _0xbadc0de | and Failed to start load/save screen backlight brughtness of backlight:acpi_video0 |
| 17:46.47 | _0xbadc0de | and a similar message for _video1 |
| 17:46.50 | _0xbadc0de | any ideas? |
| 17:47.03 | _0xbadc0de | there is even a suggestion to use systemctl |
| 17:47.05 | _0xbadc0de | I didn't try it |
| 17:48.24 | _0xbadc0de | hello? |
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| 17:52.21 | _0xbadc0de | plllllllllllllllz |
| 17:52.22 | _0xbadc0de | help |
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| 18:03.30 | n_1-c_k | #weechat just told me that the debian stable version of weechat, 1.6, is too ancient to support and I should use https://weechat.org/download/debian/#debian_stretch - would this create the dreaded Frankendebian? |
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| 18:08.19 | jmcnaught | ,v weechat |
| 18:08.20 | judd | Package: weechat on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.3.8-1+deb7u3; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1.6-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6-1+deb9u2; sid: 1.9-1; stretch-backports: 2.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3-1; sid: 2.3-1 |
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| 18:08.31 | jmcnaught | n_1-c_k: there's a newer one in stretch-backports |
| 18:09.07 | n_1-c_k | jmcnaught: thanks, I'll look |
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| 18:36.24 | aloo_shu | nullbyte_: afaik, snap can be uninstalled as a whole (wasn't it an ubuntu thing anyway?), that would probably get rid of a gnome plugin, too |
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| 18:43.57 | mattfly | how can i tell apt to automatically install modules for an older kernel? |
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| 19:02.19 | sshTAPs | so i just installed debian 9.8 on a ASUS laptop, but when I boot it, shortly after entering the decryption key, the screen just goes black. I don't get a TTY or anything. |
| 19:03.08 | sshTAPs | i installed it with XFCE |
| 19:03.40 | sshTAPs | rescue works |
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| 19:09.13 | sshTAPs | i can't get networking because ifconfig isn't available |
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| 19:12.42 | sshTAPs | oh dhclient ; got it |
| 19:12.47 | incal | hello, what do you say about this error? some wierd file system that isn't case sensitive??? $ mv FSCK0000.REC fsck0000.rec |
| 19:12.47 | incal | mv: âFSCK0000.RECâ and âfsck0000.recâ are the same file |
| 19:13.11 | incal | touch a; mv a A # same error |
| 19:13.38 | incal | touch a; mv a B # works |
| 19:13.41 | incal | ??? |
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| 19:15.44 | EdePopede | incal: windows related? |
| 19:17.29 | EdePopede | or an external fs mounted with the wrong flag set |
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| 19:19.42 | incal | EdePopede: it is a USB memory stick, 1s, I'll get the flags... |
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| 19:21.09 | EdePopede | incal: fat32? i don't think it can handle this |
| 19:22.42 | EdePopede | hm, one of the vfat options: posix > Allow two files with names that only differ in case. This option is obsolete. |
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| 19:25.43 | incal | EdePopede: lines 12-22 @ http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/mount |
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| 19:32.24 | incal | EdePopede: heh, one can do: touch A; mv A b; mv b a |
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| 19:32.47 | incal | just a zsh function away to automate that :) |
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| 19:33.09 | incal | unless you find the option/flag which would be optimal ;) |
| 19:33.13 | incal | (if there is one) |
| 19:33.14 | EdePopede | incal: sure, only case is irrelevant. after mv both A and a are still the same but unused |
| 19:34.07 | johnjay | stretch-backports are safe to install without compromising the system? |
| 19:34.41 | incal | EdePopede: I have a zsh function which lowercases all argument file(names) and it didn't work, I'll just add this workaround God willing :) |
| 19:34.47 | EdePopede | i'm not sure that the fat stuff can even handle this. it may *store* it as 'A' or 'a', also depending if it is a short or a long name (there are tons of options to change the behaviour), it may *show* it as upper or lower case. but having filenames with only different case is a different thing |
| 19:35.07 | incal | EdePopede: right, got it, thanks |
| 19:35.24 | EdePopede | is sure this is one of the compatibility things M$ introduced to make NT work with 3.x/9x... somehow. |
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| 19:42.57 | tmroland | hi., any idea how to get debian stable (nonfree firmware) to install on thinkpad x220? tried netinstall and dvd1 iso images from unofficial firmware isos on debian site and both fail to detect the wireless adapter, it just says i need to load modules |
| 19:43.24 | tmroland | which makes absolutely zero sense since i installed those images before on this pc |
| 19:43.48 | tmroland | but it seems to be a random error prone install process |
| 19:43.57 | tmroland | flawed |
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| 19:48.11 | sshTAPs | i ran apt install mate desktop ; apt remove xfce4 |
| 19:48.16 | sshTAPs | but i still have xfce |
| 19:48.19 | sshTAPs | lol what do |
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| 19:49.10 | tmroland | you probably have to purge it or install and use aptitude to remove it |
| 19:49.24 | tmroland | just an educated guess out of experience |
| 19:49.45 | tmroland | and it probably comes in several diff packages |
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| 19:58.08 | sshTAPs | alright. done. |
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| 20:00.20 | tmroland | still installed? |
| 20:01.03 | nprs | I ran a dist-upgrade and it broke my wifi so I reinstalled the drivers but now my wireless networks are treating the wpa password as incorrect. Any advice? |
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| 20:09.31 | nprs | Nvm works fine with the old headers, I'm just gonna roll back the update. |
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| 20:21.33 | sacarde | hi |
| 20:21.47 | sacarde | which is the name of debian installer? |
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| 20:25.30 | abrotman | the package manager? or the CD image? |
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| 21:09.29 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've troubles with alt-tab, it's not working anymore |
| 21:09.44 | rocketmagnet | i made no changes |
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| 21:13.22 | rocketmagnet | also vim-plugin doesn't work |
| 21:13.41 | rocketmagnet | maybe it has something to do with my nvim installation ? |
| 21:15.14 | rocketmagnet | brb |
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| 21:17.52 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've started my linux installation and since yesterday alt-tabl isn't working anymore |
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| 21:20.21 | jmcnaught | rocketmagnet: which desktop environment are you using? Have you tested if the problem exist with other accounts? |
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| 21:34.41 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, what can be wrong if alt-tab isn't workinf anymore ? |
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| 21:42.25 | Rusty1 | <jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: which desktop environment are you using? Have you tested if the problem exist with other accounts? |
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| 22:07.25 | ruslan | rocketmagnet: 23:20 < jmcnaught> rocketmagnet: which desktop environment are you using? Have you tested if the problem exist with other accounts? |
| 22:09.54 | rocketmagnet | when i want to create a bootable sd-card, i use the dd commnd, the manual says the filesytem has to be unmouned but he only find sdc1 |
| 22:10.12 | gunchyo | hi I run stretch right now but I have mixed packages installed |
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| 22:10.16 | gunchyo | some experiemntal or sid |
| 22:10.34 | gunchyo | is there anything stopping me from updating to sid/unstable, or can i just change package base and update |
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| 22:13.24 | outoftime | people, do not leave IRC chat for at least an hour after asking questions. |
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| 22:13.53 | rocketmagnet | be back |
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| 22:14.07 | outoftime | rocketmagnet: people, do not leave IRC chat for at least an hour after asking questions. |
| 22:14.31 | outoftime | what `lsblk -f' says? |
| 22:14.58 | rocketmagnet | when i want to write an iso to a sd-car i can use the dd command, but the docs are telling me it should not be mounted, the problem is her can't find sdc, only sdc1 - now i try to clean the sd-card and try my luck again |
| 22:16.14 | outoftime | rocketmagnet: what `lsblk -f' says? |
| 22:16.53 | rocketmagnet | it's working now, but i hav etroubles with other sd-cars that don't let me copy images on it, i don't know how to solve this |
| 22:18.48 | outoftime | rocketmagnet: check "readonly" pin on sd card |
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| 22:32.21 | jhutchins | For some reason my cifs mounts aren't mounting at boot. |
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| 22:32.58 | klys | jhutchins, can you mount them in your shell? |
| 22:34.40 | jhutchins | Yeah, mount -a works |
| 22:35.14 | klys | man fstab |
| 22:35.26 | klys | it seems network mounts are noauto by default |
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| 22:37.53 | jhutchins | I looks like you're supposed to add comment=systemd.automount before the credentials option. Who thought that was a good change? |
| 22:37.56 | jhutchins | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2350427 |
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| 22:40.30 | jhutchins | I think this started happening after the latest point release |
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| 22:45.05 | jhutchins | Great, bug report has several "me too" entries but no response. |
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| 22:48.19 | gunchyo | ok what about updating to testing |
| 22:48.22 | klys | https://ispltd.org/mini_howto:nfs_systemd |
| 22:48.27 | gunchyo | i've changed my sources.list |
| 22:49.01 | EdePopede | someone who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "comment". |
| 22:49.03 | klys | jhutchins. are you aware if this is a systemd or a gvfs change? |
| 22:49.19 | independent | my favorite command is # sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt dist-upgrade -y and my favorite distro is Debian unstable :) |
| 22:50.42 | gunchyo | independent, are you running server or desktop |
| 22:51.11 | independent | Im running kali-linux NetHunter |
| 22:51.16 | independent | on android |
| 22:51.39 | gunchyo | i mean for debian |
| 22:51.43 | independent | oh |
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| 22:52.00 | gunchyo | i'm running stable but i've a mix of testing and unstable |
| 22:52.01 | independent | I use server but I can add LXDE if I wish to |
| 22:52.13 | gunchyo | so I just want to update everything to testing |
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| 22:52.19 | gunchyo | not sure if I can or |
| 22:52.42 | independent | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:52.48 | independent | add this: |
| 22:52.59 | EdePopede | klys: gnome stuff should be irrelevant at this stage during startup. and it says "systemd.aoutumount". seems systemd ignores the classic mount procedure and does its own parsing of fstab. |
| 22:53.01 | independent | http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:53.07 | independent | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:53.32 | gunchyo | is there a way to list what repo every installed package comes from? |
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| 22:53.53 | independent | Not really sure about that |
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| 22:54.42 | aloo_shu | usually, at this point, somebody would pull the |
| 22:54.52 | aloo_shu | !frankendebian |
| 22:54.52 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 22:55.01 | klys | depopede, so would this be specific to the systemd package? |
| 22:55.02 | gunchyo | no way |
| 22:55.11 | klys | edepopede* |
| 22:55.39 | EdePopede | klys: during startup, so i'd say yes. |
| 22:56.01 | independent | I have Unstable , kali-rolling & kali-dev in my sources.list and it is not really that messy at all lol |
| 22:56.21 | independent | for my Android I speak |
| 22:56.32 | gunchyo | there are a lot of packages only found in stable |
| 22:56.41 | gunchyo | wait |
| 22:56.53 | aloo_shu | so arm, and in a chroot, I guess |
| 22:57.11 | independent | armhf yes chroot |
| 22:57.50 | gunchyo | well I don't understand, if I enable testing but update |
| 22:57.54 | gunchyo | it doesn't update apache |
| 22:57.54 | independent | I have a Nexus 5 flashed with Cyanogen Mod and NetHunter is installed |
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| 22:58.40 | gunchyo | oh because of "stability" |
| 22:58.52 | independent | is testing / sid & unstable in the same place ? |
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| 22:58.56 | gunchyo | no |
| 22:59.26 | gunchyo | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/38837/what-does-the-following-packages-have-been-kept-back-mean |
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| 23:00.02 | cheapie | I should still be able to run sid on a Duron, right? It was only the K6 family and earlier (on the AMD side) that Debian no longer supports? |
| 23:00.52 | aloo_shu | I mean I'd be capable of ignoring the frankendebian warning myself, but so far, I never have, and I suppose it's there for good reason. I'd always go the -backports and -backports-sloppy way first. There's a single out of distro pkg I have installed a few times, but that as a bundle in /opt, and with a wrapper to prepend a custom path to custom libs |
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| 23:01.49 | gunchyo | i'd really rather not reinstall |
| 23:02.10 | gunchyo | well apparently I need to install x11 for some reason if I try to upgrade everything |
| 23:02.29 | independent | try this: |
| 23:02.40 | independent | dpkg --force-all --configure -a |
| 23:02.41 | dpkg | independent: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:03.34 | gunchyo | independent, I feel like that's definitely going to break a lot of sutff |
| 23:03.35 | gunchyo | stuff |
| 23:03.48 | independent | or # cd /var/cache/apt/archives && sudo dpkg --force-all -G -E -i *.deb |
| 23:04.22 | aloo_shu | gunchyo: I mean, by sorting out what pkgs you're having from where, and selectively getting rid of a few, you're possibly on the good track |
| 23:04.22 | independent | im running fully unstable and i needed that command to fully install all packages |
| 23:04.44 | gunchyo | aloo_shu, to switch to unstable? |
| 23:04.52 | gunchyo | or just return to a normal system |
| 23:04.56 | aloo_shu | gunchyo: read what man dpkg has to say about --force-all |
| 23:05.24 | gunchyo | !--force-all |
| 23:05.29 | gunchyo | !force-all |
| 23:05.29 | dpkg | You should never, ever have to use --force-all. If you are using unstable, and there are bugs in packages, you may need to use a specific --force option (ask me about <force-overwrite> or <confmiss>), but then you should use the precise --force option required. Using --force-depends and/or --force-conflicts is *ALWAYS* broken. Fix the offending packages or use <equivs> instead. |
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| 23:06.12 | independent | u mean I should reinstall cyanogen mod (latest) and reinstall NetHunter ? |
| 23:07.00 | independent | because its running fine as frankenstein build |
| 23:07.07 | gunchyo | i think he's talking to me |
| 23:07.10 | independent | oh |
| 23:07.10 | aloo_shu | I meant the 'man' pages (man command) on your own computer, not dpkg, the bot, but they probably say the same |
| 23:07.20 | gunchyo | man dpkg had nothing about force-all |
| 23:08.00 | gunchyo | finding which packages are from what is not easy |
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| 23:08.11 | cheapie | gunchyo: dpkg --force-help |
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| 23:08.29 | cheapie | Read the warning at the bottom, at least :P |
| 23:08.43 | gunchyo | oh |
| 23:08.50 | gunchyo | apt list --installed |
| 23:08.54 | cheapie | "WARNING - use of options marked [!] can seriously damage your installation." |
| 23:09.58 | gunchyo | so it looks like any package without stable,now beside it isn't from stable |
| 23:10.35 | independent | well I have used --force-all and my frankenstein build is qorking fine, I have no dependencies failure |
| 23:11.57 | aloo_shu | gunchyo: that and a bit of grepping should give you an idea of what's from where, note that stable, testing, unstable may be called jessie, buster etc |
| 23:12.07 | gunchyo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.28 | gunchyo | and im ignoring kernels since those are from backports |
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| 23:12.41 | aloo_shu | independent: had you ever started out with stable on your kali-frankie? |
| 23:13.37 | gunchyo | libc6/now 2.27-3 amd64 [installed,local] |
| 23:13.44 | gunchyo | so I'm already running testing then... |
| 23:13.54 | independent | I have started from kali-sana and upgraded to kali-rolling and added debian unstable |
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| 23:15.13 | aloo_shu | then kali-rolling is proving nicely robust |
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| 23:16.04 | didi | Are we at freeze time yet? |
| 23:16.26 | independent | https://ibb.co/NZ3cqks |
| 23:16.40 | independent | screen shot of my androids vnc server |
| 23:17.11 | aloo_shu | gunchyo: backing up would look like a very wise idea |
| 23:17.19 | gunchyo | why |
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| 23:17.28 | gunchyo | it's run like this for months |
| 23:17.43 | gunchyo | i have backups but just, do you mean in reference to upgrading to testing |
| 23:18.39 | David_Hedlund | Why is not Microsoft .NET Core or ASP.NET Core packaged for any distribution (I don't use it myself but I'm curious)? ASP.NET Core is distributed under Apache 2.0. - https://github.com/aspnet/AspNetCore/blob/master/LICENSE.txt, .NET Core is distributed under the MIT License. - https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/master/LICENSE.TXT. Prerequisites for .NET Core on GNU/Linux https://github.com/dotnet/docs/blob/master/docs/core/linux-prerequ |
| 23:19.40 | aloo_shu | sure, but if you want to do blanket upgrades and --force-things, it might get stuck. Not saying independent is telling complete bs, but your two scenarios may be different |
| 23:19.47 | gunchyo | I think they are |
| 23:19.56 | gunchyo | im not forcing anything, nor doing entirely blanket upgrades |
| 23:20.03 | gunchyo | i changed my sources.list to testing |
| 23:20.23 | gunchyo | ran update && upgrade and checked what was gonna be upgraded |
| 23:20.33 | cheapie | David_Hedlund: Has there been any interest in it? |
| 23:21.08 | EdePopede | !.net |
| 23:21.08 | dpkg | When .NET system goes online, human decisions are removed from the office environment. It contains Application Center 2000, SQL server 2000, Exchange 2000, Host Integration Server 2000, BizTalk 2000, Commerce Server 2000. They seperate every single bit of simple operation into many buzzword-servers. Don't you hate your money? |
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| 23:21.43 | aloo_shu | oh you did that, gunchyo - as a dry run or for real? |
| 23:21.49 | gunchyo | nothing |
| 23:21.53 | gunchyo | I just said no to installing |
| 23:21.56 | gunchyo | i don't even trust the dry-run |
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| 23:25.06 | David_Hedlund | cheapie: Yes. |
| 23:25.34 | cheapie | David_Hedlund: Well, then maybe you should package it or find someone else who wants to :) |
| 23:28.01 | gunchyo | guess you can't remove developer packages then without removing build-essential |
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| 23:29.51 | aloo_shu | I've never gone from one version to the next myself, partly because I have a bad connection - I typically get a fresh install medium when I'm somewhere with good connectivity, install & migrate files, better asj somebody more experienced; but afaik, you've got to go version by version, can't jump, and have to throw in a dist-upgrade at some point |
| 23:30.10 | aloo_shu | *ask |
| 23:30.16 | gunchyo | dist-upgrade wants to install X11 though |
| 23:30.18 | gunchyo | which makes no sense |
| 23:30.23 | gunchyo | this is a headless server |
| 23:31.31 | gunchyo | what do you mean "go version by version"? |
| 23:32.13 | independent | jessie to stretch, stretch to unstable |
| 23:32.17 | independent | i guess hes daying |
| 23:32.20 | independent | saying* |
| 23:32.27 | gunchyo | so you can't do stretch to testing? |
| 23:32.59 | independent | Im not sure but testing has same packages as unstable |
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| 23:35.06 | independent | unstable packages are release candidates for current distro (stretch) |
| 23:35.12 | independent | im not sure about that either |
| 23:35.27 | CrystalMath | hi |
| 23:35.34 | CrystalMath | dget won't check the signature |
| 23:35.44 | CrystalMath | it says there's no public key |
| 23:35.53 | independent | debian-keyring |
| 23:35.54 | CrystalMath | but debian-keyring is installed |
| 23:35.59 | CrystalMath | it's installed |
| 23:35.59 | aloo_shu | exactly, or oldoldstable to stable - again, no idea if somebody has managed to get away with it, using --force-all and --jesus-help-me, but it's not recommended, of that I'm sure |
| 23:36.13 | gunchyo | no no no |
| 23:36.18 | gunchyo | i am NOT using --force-all |
| 23:36.24 | independent | I am |
| 23:36.25 | gunchyo | just sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 23:36.27 | gunchyo | oh sorry |
| 23:36.32 | aloo_shu | https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 23:37.27 | independent | ive done this once I was using stretch and metamorphed it to kali-rolling all went well |
| 23:37.46 | independent | not sure if i used --force-all that time |
| 23:37.53 | gunchyo | ok, let's assume I upgrade to testing from stable |
| 23:37.58 | gunchyo | can I go in and fix it manually? |
| 23:38.08 | gunchyo | like remove broken packages or |
| 23:38.26 | independent | you could use deborphan to remove unused packages |
| 23:39.09 | independent | compile from source the broken packages |
| 23:39.40 | independent | im not a linux expert but I know some things |
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| 23:42.12 | aloo_shu | stable to testing should be possible in theory, and if yo don't have broken dependencies before, there's no reason why you should after - try an option called something like --no-install-recommends , maybe that'll get rid of the x11 pkg |
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| 23:42.31 | CrystalMath | ah |
| 23:42.38 | CrystalMath | maybe debian-keyring doesn't have THIS maintainer |
| 23:42.42 | CrystalMath | because this is a sid package |
| 23:43.01 | aloo_shu | i.e. 'don't treat recommends like dependencies', gunchyo |
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| 23:44.49 | gunchyo | alright I've narrowed it down quite a bit |
| 23:45.00 | gunchyo | there's a few packages that I forcefully wanted as testing a long time ago |
| 23:45.14 | gunchyo | somehow libc and libc6 got upgraded to testing |
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| 23:48.09 | aloo_shu | but it didn't give you any broken dependencies? i.e. all pkgs were happy to use the newer libs, not only in practice, but also officially, dependency-wise? then you ought to be lucky, my 2ct |
| 23:48.46 | gunchyo | yes |
| 23:48.55 | gunchyo | i've run with newer libc for a long time now |
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| 23:57.43 | aloo_shu | gunchyo: here you go, seems like stable->testing follows a different procedure than oldstable->stable, for instance, i.e. by upgrade, not mandatory dist-upgrade https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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| 23:59.18 | aloo_shu | there are a few more details, e.g. repo lines to comment out, and the recommendation to check what's currently happening in -next aka testing |
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