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| 00:13.21 | gunchyo | thanks aloo_shu |
| 00:13.31 | gunchyo | i have to reboot to change what kernel I'm on |
| 00:13.39 | aloo_shu | yw |
| 00:13.48 | gunchyo | then I'll have to remove some extra testing packages i currently have installed |
| 00:13.52 | gunchyo | and then I'll try doing upgrade |
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| 00:14.07 | gunchyo | but not dist-upgrade |
| 00:14.17 | gunchyo | I'll probably have to recompile some stuff |
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| 00:24.50 | LikWidChz | I installed mint linux on this laptop, but it will be used as something I remote into, what am I looking for so I can remote desktop to it. I'd like to remote to the desktop as if I'm actually sitting in front of it... I move the mouse on the remote session and I see it move on the laptop screen.. Is there anything like that? |
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| 00:36.00 | outoftime | LikWidChz: teamviewer? |
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| 00:37.18 | EdePopede | !vnc |
| 00:37.18 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
| 00:37.56 | LikWidChz | thanks, I actually stumbled upon that VNC application |
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| 00:40.15 | gunchyo | remmina is good |
| 00:40.22 | gunchyo | for a client |
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| 00:41.26 | LikWidChz | any of you guys setup VNC before?... if you have https://mintguide.org/tools/140-remote-desktop-via-vnc-from-windows-to-linux-mint.html is this missing anything?? |
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| 00:41.59 | Unit193 | I tend to use x11vnc as the Linux server, UltraVNC as the Windows aspect (if needed), and Remmina for the Linux client. |
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| 00:42.24 | LikWidChz | Im just trying to setup x11vnc now |
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| 00:46.18 | LikWidChz | looks like I got it, however, on my windows box i get password check failed?? |
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| 00:50.50 | LikWidChz | actually ignore'ify that. I was trying to logon as root |
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| 03:43.01 | jcb2016 | i know its late but im trying to do something. i asked a couple of days ago and everyone had good suggestions but nothing worked. im trying to make a live usb bootable debian with presistant data. meaning i want to boot debian and be able to save stuff and exit and boot back up and my data saved. i wanna be able to do this so i can boot from any computer. is this possible? |
| 03:44.35 | fling | jcb2016: just install to a flashdrive then. |
| 03:44.40 | CarlFK | jcb2016: pretty sure I did this a long time ago - yeah, that. |
| 03:45.01 | jcb2016 | so install to a flash drive then put the bootloader on the flash drive right? |
| 03:45.04 | fling | jcb2016: use it for /boot, /root, /home everything. |
| 03:45.12 | fling | jcb2016: yes, grub goes to the flashdrive too. |
| 03:45.20 | jcb2016 | ok i will do that now |
| 03:45.21 | jcb2016 | thanks |
| 03:45.30 | fling | jcb2016: tell us if it will work for you. |
| 03:45.35 | jcb2016 | i will |
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| 03:52.41 | jcb2016 | ok im back. im installing debian to the usb through virtualbox. when i reboot its going to need my firware drivers. can i save that on the usb then install when i boot into the new system? |
| 03:53.04 | CarlFK | why through virtualbox ? |
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| 03:54.54 | jcb2016 | CarlFK, i booted the live desktop of debian before and it didn't have the wifi drivers or wifi ready to go like the firmware 3gig dvd does. was wondering if i can download the fiwmare package to the usb drive and reboot and install the tar or file i download to get the drivers |
| 03:54.58 | jcb2016 | if that makes any sense |
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| 03:56.06 | CarlFK | that doesn't explain why you are using a VM |
| 03:56.20 | jcb2016 | CarlFK, safety in case something goes wrong :D |
| 03:58.56 | CarlFK | ah. well... um.. so yes that stuff you talk about is possible. no idea exactly what the steps are |
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| 04:03.47 | jcb2016 | i just installed the wrong iso. i wanted the dvd not the netinstall. when i reboot it won't have the wifi drivers i need |
| 04:03.59 | jcb2016 | oh well |
| 04:06.11 | awal1 | !firmware |
| 04:06.11 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 04:06.29 | awal1 | dpkg: installer firmware |
| 04:06.29 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 04:06.47 | awal1 | dpkg: firmware images |
| 04:06.47 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 04:07.07 | awal1 | jcb2016, check ^ |
| 04:09.28 | awal1 | use the above image. they are genuine just like the standard ones. |
| 04:11.22 | jcb2016 | awal1, i have the 3gig dvd non-free debian. should i install the to the usb and boot and the firwmare should load? |
| 04:12.30 | awal1 | if the firmware you need is available in non-free section yes |
| 04:12.44 | jcb2016 | ok let me stop this install |
| 04:12.51 | awal1 | check which firmware is first and verify if available |
| 04:13.31 | jcb2016 | awal1, its https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi <-- |
| 04:13.38 | jcb2016 | i think that is in non-free |
| 04:13.58 | awal1 | yes |
| 04:14.13 | jcb2016 | how do you stop a install? |
| 04:14.22 | jcb2016 | im using the graphic install |
| 04:16.44 | awal1 | go back a few steps until you get cancel install or something like that |
| 04:20.00 | jcb2016 | thanks bbl |
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| 05:05.04 | sshTAPs | opengl 3.2 ; my system supports it. How do I properly install it, while using proprietary drivers? (my system does not support the FOSS drivers |
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| 05:13.25 | COOurb | heya |
| 05:13.34 | COOurb | can anyone helps me with openvas? |
| 05:13.56 | COOurb | I just installed it and already dead because of dozens of changes I need to do to run this stuff |
| 05:14.21 | COOurb | also there are only tutorials for kali, for debian some outdated instructions |
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| 05:21.43 | GumShoe | My debian stretch has been up for 60 days - that's when I installed it. I moved it to a new location - when it came up dns resolution wasn't working. I can temporairly fix it with an entry in /etc/resolv.conf but it's not persisted. |
| 05:22.10 | GumShoe | I tried /etc/systemd/resolv.conf adding nameservers. That didn't work. |
| 05:22.24 | GumShoe | I also tried in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:22.24 | COOurb | Do you use NetworkManager? |
| 05:23.01 | GumShoe | yes |
| 05:23.19 | OS-47540 | Hi |
| 05:23.22 | COOurb | so do not touch config files |
| 05:23.34 | COOurb | use network manager interface |
| 05:23.56 | COOurb | can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 05:24.13 | GumShoe | I can ping by ip not by fqdn |
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| 05:29.18 | GumShoe | nmcli enp1s0: unmanaged |
| 05:29.44 | COOurb | sorry, i can't help you, because I deny NetworkManager |
| 05:29.56 | GumShoe | ;-) |
| 05:30.06 | GumShoe | What do you use |
| 05:30.28 | GumShoe | Is there a default during installation? |
| 05:31.12 | COOurb | I completely deleted NM and use bare files |
| 05:31.31 | COOurb | because tehre no info about NM |
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| 06:02.54 | Terrell | I want to ask an SSL/TLS (I think) question because I think it is likely someone here knows the answer right off the top of their head. In the past I ran 3 zones. 1) DMZ 2) my zone 3) the great unwashed zone. To do this I ran 3 cables from my firewall/router which was BTW OpenBSD. I am facing a cabling issue. I can't easily run any cables at all. Now this is for internet traffic. The bandwidth from _any_ ISP here in Calgary is pretty limited. That |
| 06:02.54 | Terrell | is with the exception of SHAW who say they can run 600 Mbps over the old coax. And I do have unlit coax in the walls. q) can I tunnel? do I even have to? I would just set up (192.168.1.x/24) (192.168.2.x/24) (192.168.3.x/24) and run this over wifi configured as (192.168.x.x/16) Pardon my notation.. Its been a decade since I even looked at this. |
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| 06:13.33 | Aussie_matt | hi guys, can anyone spare a few minutes to help me poke a hole in the firewall for a starman webserver app? |
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| 06:25.54 | Tordek | hi, I just got a radeon graphics card and xorg is segfaulting after/during loading glamoregl |
| 06:26.14 | Tordek | I purged nvidia, installed the firmware, and deleted xorg.conf |
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| 06:57.14 | Pandya | Hi! I used Ubuntu for 5 years and recently switched to Debian GNU/Linux on my laptop and to Trisquel GNU/Linux-Libre on Desktop PC. |
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| 06:59.17 | Pandya | I think if we can separate contrib and non-free from official repositories to unofficial repositories (like https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Unofficial) then there are high chances to get endorsed by GNU. |
| 07:00.19 | Pandya | Is here anyone from Debian project team? |
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| 07:02.05 | Terrell | I want to ask an SSL/TLS (I think) question because I think it is likely someone here knows the answer right off the top of their head. In the past I ran 3 zones. 1) DMZ 2) my zone 3) the great unwashed zone. To do this I ran 3 cables from my firewall/router which was BTW OpenBSD. I am facing a cabling issue. I can't easily run any cables at all. Now this is for internet traffic. The bandwidth from _any_ ISP here in Calgary is pretty limited. That |
| 07:02.05 | Terrell | is with the exception of SHAW who say they can run 600 Mbps over the old coax. And I do have unlit coax in the walls. q) can I tunnel? do I even have to? I would just set up (192.168.1.x/24) (192.168.2.x/24) (192.168.3.x/24) and run this over wifi configured as (192.168.x.x/16) Pardon my notation.. Its been a decade since I even looked at this. |
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| 07:02.45 | Terrell | soory I am half asleep. THis has nothing to do with encryption.. ITs a firewall question. |
| 07:04.05 | Terrell | I want to ask a firewall question. In the past I ran 3 zones. 1) DMZ 2) my zone 3) the great unwashed zone. To do this I ran 3 cables from my firewall/router which was BTW OpenBSD. I am facing a cabling issue. I can't easily run any cables at all. Now this is for internet traffic. The bandwidth from _any_ ISP here in Calgary is pretty limited. That is with the exception of SHAW who say they can run 600 Mbps over the old coax. And I do have unlit |
| 07:04.05 | Terrell | coax in the walls. q) can I tunnel? do I even have to? I would just set up (192.168.1.x/24) (192.168.2.x/24) (192.168.3.x/24) and run this over wifi configured as (192.168.x.x/16) Pardon my notation.. Its been a decade since I even looked at this. |
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| 07:24.01 | anonymous83719 | i upgraded to buster from stretch and now i can't boot except into rescue and my windows 10 dual boot won't boot |
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| 07:26.35 | anonymous83719 | the error i get in Debian is dell_smbios unable to run on non-dell system |
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| 07:34.40 | sshTAPs | and yeah, my system is asus |
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| 07:40.00 | sshTAPs | Terrell, wat, you can't run 600Mbps over coax |
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| 07:57.51 | sshTAPs | lightdm won't start |
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| 08:11.18 | Terrell | sshTAPs, Shaw says they can! I thought 225 and push a little to say 300 by allowing more errors. |
| 08:12.18 | Terrell | sshTAPs, can you offer some advise on firewalling? Does my question even make sense? |
| 08:12.55 | Terrell | can one even have more than one zone in wifi land? |
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| 08:30.23 | sacarde | hi |
| 08:30.51 | sacarde | which package include debian-installer ? |
| 08:31.06 | rant | sacarde: none of them |
| 08:31.43 | sacarde | if I run a debian-live iso, can I start installer from there? |
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| 08:32.33 | rant | not exactly.. you can from the boot menu |
| 08:32.44 | rant | I don't recommened it |
| 08:32.50 | sacarde | only from there? |
| 08:32.59 | rant | yes |
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| 08:33.28 | rant | if at all possible I'd recommend using the netinstall or firmware-netinstall images not the live to install |
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| 08:36.39 | rant | installing from the live media in my experience resulted in an install twice the normal size with thousands of extra language packs, language input and support tools..etc |
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| 08:48.32 | sacarde | the installer binary, has a name? |
| 08:48.58 | sacarde | like "ubiquity" for ubuntu |
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| 09:19.37 | sacarde | debian installer is positioning into initrd? |
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| 09:36.22 | wonderer | hi all |
| 09:36.25 | zegil | sup |
| 09:36.27 | wonderer | have deb 9.6 |
| 09:36.38 | zegil | upgrade bro to 9.8 |
| 09:36.47 | zegil | or better yet switch to testing, testing is great right now |
| 09:36.54 | wonderer | an wondering quickest way to shift my site to start using mariadb and away< from mysql |
| 09:37.05 | wonderer | yea i will next week |
| 09:37.20 | zegil | oh if you're hosting a site on that debian installation keep it on stretch |
| 09:37.24 | wonderer | i know its not mysql/mariadb chan |
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| 09:37.43 | wonderer | ok thx for advise zegil |
| 09:37.44 | zegil | I can't help with mysql/mariadb sorry man |
| 09:37.55 | wonderer | no thx for pointer |
| 09:38.22 | zegil | Yeah, testing is very stable. But for servers or whatever stable is always 100% recommended. Stability over everything |
| 09:38.45 | zegil | Full freeze too right now which is great |
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| 09:39.16 | zegil | no problmo |
| 09:39.19 | zegil | problemo* |
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| 09:42.06 | wonderer | thumbs up zegil :) |
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| 09:42.56 | zegil | :) |
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| 11:15.06 | woky | Hello. How can I prevent dpkg scripts from auto-enabling services on package installs? I know I can disable auto-starting via /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d, but not how to disable auto-enabling. |
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| 11:20.57 | jelly | woky: AFAIK nothing exists to help with that in a consistent automated manner |
| 11:21.57 | jelly | if you know which service(s) a package is going to bring, you can eg. mask its systemd unit(s) in advance |
| 11:22.35 | woky | jelly, I think this is the answer: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Preset/ |
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| 11:22.50 | woky | and systemd.preset(5) |
| 11:23.05 | woky | if packages use deb-systemd-helper: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/init-system-helpers/blob/debian/1.56/script/deb-systemd-helper#L245 |
| 11:23.32 | ralpheeee | is it possible to mount a UFS2 partition under debian? |
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| 11:24.26 | jelly | woky: nice. Although there's a risk that might break things based on Debian's assumptions. |
| 11:25.17 | woky | Agreed, I was thinking about something like 'disable *'. But for me it'll be enough to just disable Postfix that gets pulled as an unwanted dependency. |
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| 11:26.18 | themill | woky: out of interest, what's depending on postfix? |
| 11:26.35 | woky | themill, nagios4 in testing pulls it |
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| 11:26.58 | woky | (I'll be sending emails via other SMTP server) |
| 11:27.29 | themill | it only depends on mail-transport-agent that I can see, so install whatever MTA you want first and it should be fine |
| 11:27.45 | woky | Ah, got it, nice. Thank you. :) |
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| 11:28.20 | themill | (also slightly surprised it was pulling in postfix and not exim4) |
| 11:29.04 | jelly | ,v default-mta |
| 11:29.05 | judd | No package named 'default-mta' was found in amd64. |
| 11:29.24 | jelly | ,provides default-mta --release buster |
| 11:29.26 | judd | No package named 'default-mta' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 11:29.34 | jelly | blinks |
| 11:29.44 | jelly | ,depends bsd-mailx --release buster |
| 11:29.45 | judd | Package bsd-mailx in buster/amd64 -- depends: base-files (>= 2.2.0), default-mta | mail-transport-agent, libbsd0 (>= 0.9.1), libc6 (>= 2.17), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0). |
| 11:30.35 | woky | Actually, sorry for misleading you. It's Ubuntu 18.10. I thought it's Debian but I switched to Ubuntu because teh cloud I'm using does not provide Debian testing out of box. |
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| 11:31.04 | woky | nagios4 is only in Debain testing and Ubuntu >= 18.10 |
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| 11:31.41 | jelly | for a moment I thought Debian switched over to sanity and postfix as default mta |
| 11:31.50 | jelly | !spank woky |
| 11:31.50 | dpkg | bends woky over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 11:32.37 | themill | ,rprovides default-mta --release buster |
| 11:32.39 | judd | Package default-mta in buster/amd64 is provided by: exim4-daemon-light. |
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| 11:35.26 | jim | a heads up is in order... Filystyn is threatening to come here to rant |
| 11:35.31 | jelly | wonderer: how did you install a mysql-server in the first place? |
| 11:36.15 | jim | his issue is something about the cd that installs xfce is not working somehow |
| 11:36.27 | jelly | jim: that's going to be hard to do considering he's permaforwarded to ##arguments |
| 11:36.55 | jim | oh, no wonder he didn't get here yet :) |
| 11:37.25 | jim | ok well carry on :) |
| 11:37.55 | jelly | jim: perhaps consider voicing your worries in #debian-ops or that other ops channel next time instead of the main one |
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| 11:41.55 | jim | ok, will do |
| 11:41.57 | warai_otoko | rock on, Debian community! <3 |
| 11:43.06 | jim | we explained to him that whether or not the xfce installer cd works, the netinstall image has worked under a number of different conditions, pretty much every time |
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| 11:47.14 | jelly | sometimes I wonder how bad an idea would be having official packages that can only be built on sid or testing but binary-installed and available for stable. Looking at misc Go stuff. |
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| 13:09.34 | FightingFalcon | How do i install mbstring to php 7.2? |
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| 13:11.31 | rant | FightingFalcon: maybe try asking in the channel for whatever distro you're using |
| 13:11.55 | phogg | FightingFalcon: did you try: apt-cache search mbstring |
| 13:12.12 | FightingFalcon | um let me try and see what happens |
| 13:12.42 | FightingFalcon | There is php7.0-mbstring ansd php-mbstring |
| 13:13.04 | phogg | FightingFalcon: there you are, then |
| 13:13.30 | FightingFalcon | But i use php 7.2 |
| 13:13.57 | phogg | FightingFalcon: where did you get php 7.2? |
| 13:14.12 | FightingFalcon | apt-get install? |
| 13:14.49 | themill | I don't think php 7.2 is anywhere in Debian |
| 13:15.21 | phogg | FightingFalcon: I see 7.0 in stretch and 7.3 in buster. I don't see 7.2. |
| 13:15.26 | rant | hence why I mentioned talking about it in the channel for whatever distro they are using |
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| 13:15.54 | phogg | FightingFalcon: Whoever you got 7.2 from will provide mbstring for it, or if he doesn't you should complain about that--to him. |
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| 13:16.19 | FightingFalcon | OMG |
| 13:16.24 | FightingFalcon | i didnt get it from anyone |
| 13:16.33 | FightingFalcon | i only typed apt-get install php.72 |
| 13:16.34 | phogg | FightingFalcon: you wrote it yourself? |
| 13:16.37 | FightingFalcon | YES |
| 13:16.55 | jelly | FightingFalcon: what does "apt-cache policy php7.2" say? |
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| 13:17.07 | phogg | FightingFalcon: apt-get will fetch the package from a repository. Which repository? It's not one of Debian's. |
| 13:17.25 | FightingFalcon | yes, i had to edit sources file i remember |
| 13:18.12 | phogg | FightingFalcon: There you are, then. You added some third party repository: go ask that third party about the packages it does or does not provide. |
| 13:19.14 | phogg | Or you could just use 7.3 from Debian. That seems likely to be better. |
| 13:19.36 | rant | surem if you are using debian and haven't already screwed it up badly |
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| 13:19.55 | jelly | if it's deb.sury.org, his build seems to provide the appropriate package for php7.2-mbstring |
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| 13:20.46 | jelly | waits for policy output |
| 13:25.41 | phogg | jelly: I expect not or the apt-cache search I had him do would have found it. |
| 13:26.06 | phogg | Unless he subsequently removed the source, I guess. |
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| 13:34.39 | vorkosigan2019 | I'm using apt over tor and since two days I can't connect. apt update output: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/95d0c1db |
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| 13:41.04 | vorkosigan2019 | sorry I had a disconnect and then trouble with NickServ. As said I am using tor+http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian as source and I cannot connect to it since two days |
| 13:41.23 | vorkosigan2019 | apt error output https://paste.debian.net/plainh/95d0c1db |
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| 13:42.32 | vorkosigan2019 | APT via http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian works |
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| 13:44.02 | milkt | vorkosigan2019: try "buster" instead of "testing"? |
| 13:44.45 | themill | vorkosigan2019: that seems to work here. Is tor running and does anything else over tor work for you? |
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| 13:48.07 | rant | it may seem like testing and buster are interchangable but they're not, the two names exist for good reason |
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| 13:48.36 | rant | if you wish to track testing, you use "testing" if you plan to follow testing into stable, you use its code name |
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| 13:48.49 | themill | except neither would give a socks timeout error |
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| 13:49.00 | rant | buster will be releasing in the near future, someone who wants to keep using buster would want buster not testing |
| 13:49.24 | rant | I'm just clarifying this point because I feel its bad advice to tell someone to switch it without more information |
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| 13:50.57 | themill | ack |
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| 14:18.00 | vorkosigan2019 | themill: tor-browser works. I can also access the .onion address over it |
| 14:18.30 | vorkosigan2019 | rant, milkt: i am very happy with testing thank you. pulling testing via non-http worked fine |
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| 14:19.39 | vorkosigan2019 | mitigation: not using tor. I have two config files: one for TOR and one for HTTP. Past-me was kind enough to have both at /etc/apt |
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| 14:38.52 | vorkosigan2019 | Apt over arch still times outr. torbrowser-launcher works flawless. Any disagnostics I can do? |
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| 16:16.30 | independent | hi guys |
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| 16:19.09 | zChris | I cant find python3-evdev for stretch. How can i install it ? |
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| 16:29.43 | nkuttler | ,v python3-evdev |
| 16:29.43 | judd | Package: python3-evdev on amd64 -- sid: 1.1.2+dfsg-1; buster: 1.1.2+dfsg-1+b10 |
| 16:29.59 | zChris | not available on stretch ? |
| 16:30.04 | nkuttler | yup |
| 16:30.12 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport python3-evdev |
| 16:30.13 | judd | Backporting package python3-evdev in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 16:30.27 | nkuttler | you could build your own backport, or just pip install it i guess |
| 16:30.44 | zChris | i did pip3 install evdev but lutris does not recognize it it seems |
| 16:31.07 | nkuttler | what is lutris, and how did you install it? |
| 16:31.31 | nkuttler | did you pip install into a virtualenv, or system-wide, or..? |
| 16:31.35 | zChris | i install it with apn. It is a program for games |
| 16:31.51 | zChris | i dont know i just did sudo pip3 install evdev |
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| 16:35.24 | zChris | Is it common that user of debian uses sid instead of stable for desktop? |
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| 16:39.23 | wooden_ | zChris: it depends on what your needs and objectives are. i need some newer packages than what you can find in stable and i'm not necessarily too concerned with reliability, so i have one of my desktop machines on sid. |
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| 16:39.31 | Furry_Kitty | Is it possible to implement SE Linux on Debian Stretch? |
| 16:39.57 | nkuttler | zChris: i use my desktop for work sometimes, so no sid there. but on the laptop, yeah |
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| 16:41.13 | zChris | I need to update python3.7 in order to get lutris to wrok |
| 16:41.15 | zChris | work* |
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| 16:42.24 | Furry_Kitty | s |
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| 17:01.15 | independent | sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt dist-upgrade -y |
| 17:01.19 | independent | type that |
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| 17:18.11 | robtrino | hi |
| 17:18.41 | robtrino | can anyone give me advice on how I can map some incoming UDP data to a new ip address / subnet |
| 17:19.01 | robtrino | some applications I have refuse to read data that is not part of the subnet of the network interface |
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| 17:19.45 | robtrino | Im thinking I must map this traffic, or am I wrong? |
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| 18:23.53 | KdeKris | My hard drive is corrupting very quickly. I get dropped to initramfs on every boot and it says errors on /dev/sdb1, so I manually fsck /dev/sdb1, telling it yes to everything. Get booted. Still have issues. Go through the same process every reboot. I also get different glitches every time I boot. |
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| 18:24.42 | KdeKris | Is there a way to work around this and move stuff away from the corrupted sectors of the hdd to get some semblance of full functionality until I can afford a new hdd? |
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| 18:26.25 | KdeKris | I have no application manager or ability to access the toolbar at the moment, I was lucky to get a chromium window and this open before I lost those. I also have no ability to open terminal |
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| 18:33.25 | KdeKris | I'm also getting a lot of "Configuration file /home/me/.config/-stuff- not writable." |
| 18:33.44 | KdeKris | Where -stuff- is different depending on the activity I attempt. |
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| 18:38.19 | KdeKris | Now plasmashell stopped working, so I force killed it with the dialog that popped up. Still don't have terminal, so no way to restart it. |
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| 18:39.07 | KdeKris | My intention is not to spam, so I apologize for that. I'm just keeping a running log of events as I work through this, but doing it here in case anyone reads and gets any ideas to help. |
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| 18:40.38 | jhutchins | KdeKris: Modern drive hardware abstracts the physical disk in such a way that it's not practical to try to exclude bad sectors. If you are actually seeing an increase in bad blocks, it's time to shop for a new drive NOW. You may barely have time to recover your data before the drive fails completely. |
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| 18:41.18 | jhutchins | KdeKris: It's a good idea to install and run smartutils and watch dmesg and /var/log/syslog for errors there, but if you are seeing repeated instances of corruption it's time to replace. |
| 18:41.40 | KdeKris | I'm aware, but can't afford a drive at the moment. |
| 18:41.49 | KdeKris | :( |
| 18:42.49 | KdeKris | It's not really a "modern" drive...as in, it's maybe ten years old. Recommissioned from old military laptops. |
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| 18:50.35 | indomitable | KdeKris, Maybe you triggered its killswitch |
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| 18:54.11 | KdeKris | alt+f2 brings up search, but can't actually use it to open a konsole |
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| 19:56.11 | jcb2016 | hello i installed debian to a flashdrive w/ bootloader on the flash drive. i plug it into a computer boot and i just have a blinking cursor. happend on two computers. any ideas? |
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| 19:57.23 | indomitable | jcb2016, How did you install it? What operating system and application did you use for this purpose? |
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| 20:00.20 | jcb2016 | indomitable, i installed it using the non-free dvd iso installed it to the flashdrive with bootloader the os is windows 10 and i installed regular apps on it that came with the installer |
| 20:01.22 | indomitable | What application did you use to put it on the flashdrive? |
| 20:01.36 | indomitable | And did you write it in .dd mode or in .iso mode? |
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| 20:01.54 | borh | hi |
| 20:01.57 | indomitable | hi |
| 20:02.15 | borh | I have some UDP multicast traffic on a router I am connected to |
| 20:02.37 | jcb2016 | indomitable, what do you mean. i just went through the normal install, it installed whatever it installed. don't remember exactly what. should i have used a regular desktop iso and not the firmware 3gig dvd? |
| 20:02.39 | borh | its got a whole mess of multicast ip addresses, not even following the multicast standard allocation |
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| 20:03.13 | borh | is there any way I can map this traffic onto a new IP that will allow my applications to use the data under one standard subnet |
| 20:03.32 | borh | maybe this is something that firewalls can do? |
| 20:04.10 | indomitable | jcb2016, wat. |
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| 20:04.25 | indomitable | jcb2016, How did you install the image onto the flash drives? |
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| 20:04.45 | indomitable | borh, might have better luck in ##networking |
| 20:06.53 | jcb2016 | indomitable, burned the dvd to a disk booted it up. then installed it to the flash drive |
| 20:07.28 | indomitable | that's a pretty weird way of doing it, no familiarity with these weird things |
| 20:07.36 | jcb2016 | dam |
| 20:09.02 | KdeKris | jcb2016, simply burning the disk image to a disk does not work to make it bootable. You need some kind of software method of burning a bootable iso file. |
| 20:09.16 | KdeKris | What operating system are you currently booted into? |
| 20:09.22 | jcb2016 | windows 10 |
| 20:09.58 | indomitable | jcb2016, I recommend Rufus for burning images onto flash drives |
| 20:10.35 | KdeKris | I second Rufus |
| 20:11.21 | jcb2016 | so boot roofus then install it to the flashdrive? |
| 20:11.24 | jcb2016 | oops |
| 20:11.43 | jcb2016 | have rufus burn to a dvd then boot it then install to the flashdrive? |
| 20:11.55 | indomitable | ...no |
| 20:12.05 | indomitable | In Windows 10, obtain Rufus, the fancy software. |
| 20:12.29 | indomitable | Make sure you have the .ISO available somewhere accessible to Windows 10. Start Rufus, select the device and image, and hit "start" |
| 20:12.36 | indomitable | If it asks you for downloading some extra files, accept |
| 20:12.44 | indomitable | (probably some outdated bootloadery stuff) |
| 20:12.54 | indomitable | Then make sure your laptop is set to boot from flash |
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| 20:14.14 | KdeKris | jcb2016, don't take this the wrong way, but are you new to linux? |
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| 20:15.56 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, been using debian in virtualbox for about 2 months. i was really good at linux about 6 years ago but i fell off the map. im slowing coming back into the secne |
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| 20:16.48 | jcb2016 | virtualbox is a crutch i know. everything just works |
| 20:17.23 | KdeKris | I gotcha, seems about right though, just a little out of practice. Things have simplified a lot in six years. |
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| 20:22.18 | jcb2016 | should i do the install again? |
| 20:22.43 | KdeKris | For those who saw my struggling earlier, I have a "stable" booting debian right now, however it won't be long before I won't be here much longer. I'm prepping to install Manjaro right now. |
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| 20:22.49 | KdeKris | jcb2016, yes |
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| 20:22.54 | jcb2016 | ok |
| 20:23.05 | indomitable | KdeKris, good luck with that |
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| 20:23.40 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, why you installing majaro? |
| 20:24.23 | KdeKris | been wanting to try arch for a long time, feel like I'm finally ready. Just a little hesitant to dive into the deep end. |
| 20:25.17 | indomitable | KdeKris, manjaro isn't arch |
| 20:25.28 | indomitable | the whole point of arch is that you customize literally everything to your own specifications |
| 20:25.40 | indomitable | manjaro is just another gimmicky unstable arch |
| 20:25.41 | indomitable | lol |
| 20:26.26 | KdeKris | My point of using it is to get used to the commands and the way it works somewhat differently than debian or ubuntu. |
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| 20:26.32 | borh | not sure what channel is good to discuss iptables and routing |
| 20:26.39 | KdeKris | Once I get the hang of it, I'll do the full switch |
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| 20:27.07 | KdeKris | borh #networking |
| 20:27.14 | KdeKris | ##networking |
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| 20:30.54 | indomitable | KdeKris, go full arch or don't go arch :P |
| 20:31.03 | indomitable | you get none of the props and all of the hassle for going manjaro |
| 20:31.11 | jcb2016 | i just booted up the debian live desktop and it has no newtowrking for wifi. how do i get this? can i use the firmware dvd that i burned to usb? |
| 20:31.30 | indomitable | why doesn't it have networking for wifi? o_O |
| 20:31.31 | indomitable | wtf |
| 20:31.37 | KdeKris | indomitable, why do you say manjaro is gimmicky and unstable? I've not seen anyone say the same anywhere. |
| 20:31.56 | KdeKris | jcb2016, is it an older pc? |
| 20:32.36 | indomitable | KdeKris, every attempt I've made at installing it has failed horribly on every computer I've tried it |
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| 20:32.42 | indomitable | I literally have an easier time manually doing Arch |
| 20:32.43 | indomitable | lol |
| 20:32.55 | indomitable | maybe they fixed those issues, I don't know, I haven't touched it since I tried last |
| 20:34.23 | KdeKris | My biggest issue with jumping straight to arch is not knowing the system functionality. |
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| 20:35.39 | indomitable | KdeKris, like what |
| 20:35.47 | indomitable | honestly arch generally has better driver support etc than debian |
| 20:35.47 | indomitable | lol |
| 20:35.52 | KdeKris | package manager mostly |
| 20:35.56 | indomitable | pacman is great |
| 20:35.59 | indomitable | it has built-in pacman |
| 20:36.08 | indomitable | pacman -Syu iirc |
| 20:36.13 | indomitable | wham bam thank you ma'am |
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| 20:36.27 | indomitable | doesn't manjaro use pacman? o_O |
| 20:36.34 | KdeKris | wouldn't manjaro use the same pacman? |
| 20:36.41 | indomitable | probably |
| 20:36.50 | indomitable | like I said I always had trouble with manjaro |
| 20:36.56 | indomitable | arch just worked every time I didn't fuck up the partitioning and such |
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| 20:38.45 | KdeKris | so, my best bet is to just install arch, get wifi working, then grab a de? |
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| 20:38.58 | KdeKris | That's another confusion I have, is the installation process |
| 20:39.14 | KdeKris | Maybe I should jump over to #arch or so? |
| 20:39.17 | indomitable | I would preferably use ethernet for an install of arch :P |
| 20:39.22 | indomitable | maybe |
| 20:39.33 | indomitable | or try manjaro if you want, maybe I had a weird issue |
| 20:39.42 | indomitable | for me arch was about learning how stuff worked properly in linux |
| 20:39.45 | indomitable | how to build your own shiny thing |
| 20:39.50 | indomitable | there are good wikis |
| 20:40.38 | KdeKris | I think I'll just go read the wiki a LOT before I go asking dumb questions in #arch. |
| 20:40.59 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, not a older pc. im trying to get the firmware installed while booted up with the live debian. is this possible? |
| 20:41.20 | indomitable | KdeKris, maybe do this on a vm first? |
| 20:41.47 | KdeKris | jcb2016, if you have an internet connection, sure. "sudo apt install linux-firmware-nonfree" |
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| 20:41.59 | KdeKris | or maybe it's firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:42.00 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, i don't have any wifi and no ethernet cable. |
| 20:42.24 | KdeKris | need to install the additional firmware during OS installation. |
| 20:43.00 | jcb2016 | its a live image thats booted up can i install or insert the dvd with firmware and install from there? |
| 20:43.11 | KdeKris | indomitable, my problem is I need something fast, as I just ran "sudo badblocks -v /dev/sdb1" and came back with 14 bad blocks on my drive. |
| 20:43.38 | indomitable | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.52 | KdeKris | jcb2016, since you're booted to the live image, just run the installer to where you want to install the debian os, and tell it to install the firmware during the process. |
| 20:44.33 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, dosen't the installer need internet? |
| 20:44.33 | KdeKris | indomitable, granted, that's 14 out of 248143871 blocks, but it's 14 to many. |
| 20:44.45 | KdeKris | jcb2016, no. |
| 20:44.48 | jcb2016 | oh |
| 20:44.52 | indomitable | Is it an SSD? |
| 20:44.53 | indomitable | lol |
| 20:45.13 | KdeKris | indomitable, unfortunately, no. Just a 2.5in form factor hdd. |
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| 20:45.47 | indomitable | maybe time for an upgrade |
| 20:45.50 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, the live dvd dosen't have an installer its just the desktop there is an option though if i reboot to do install and not use the live desktop |
| 20:45.59 | indomitable | paid $35 bucks for a 240 gb ssd recently |
| 20:46.19 | KdeKris | indomitable, Yeah, I'm gonna need a lot more than 240gb. |
| 20:46.30 | rander2 | hello |
| 20:46.31 | KdeKris | I need 500+ at least |
| 20:47.24 | zChris | get a cheap mechanical |
| 20:47.34 | KdeKris | jcb2016, do that then. However, every live dvd or usb I've ever used has an installer built in. |
| 20:47.48 | jcb2016 | ubuntu has it |
| 20:48.06 | KdeKris | My debian live usb had it when I installed last year. |
| 20:48.18 | KdeKris | booted live, had an icon on the desktop to install. |
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| 20:48.49 | rander2 | I'm studing the file /etc/aliases , it's a exim o smtp alias file. But when I send a mail to a alias in /etc/aliases , I don't receive nothing. I'm using 8.11 on vps. |
| 20:48.54 | KdeKris | zChris, I'm hunting newegg right now. |
| 20:48.59 | CarlFK | no one needs 500 ;) |
| 20:49.34 | rander2 | with normal users, the mails comes well, why this comportament ? |
| 20:49.44 | KdeKris | I have STACKS of files that I need to keep, plus steam games. |
| 20:50.04 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, is your bios uefi. i remember reading smoehwere that the debian live desktop versions can't install to uefi computers |
| 20:50.18 | CarlFK | also, I think all spinny disks, and maybe SSDs and whatever that thumb drive thing is, have bad blocks out the door, and then algorithms? to work around them |
| 20:51.01 | KdeKris | jcb2016, it is uefi... |
| 20:51.07 | KdeKris | and debian is installed. |
| 20:51.08 | jcb2016 | hmm |
| 20:51.17 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, do you know what iso you used? |
| 20:51.52 | KdeKris | CarlFK, maybe there's a way to make the os ignore the bad blocks and not attempt to write to them? |
| 20:52.08 | KdeKris | jcb2016, let me get you a link to the disk image I used. |
| 20:52.20 | jcb2016 | ok |
| 20:53.18 | rander2 | this file /etc/aliases is from default installation, I never modified it. |
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| 20:54.34 | KdeKris | jcb2016, What kind of system you on? 64bit? |
| 20:54.44 | jcb2016 | 64bit |
| 20:55.05 | KdeKris | arm64, amd64, |
| 20:55.07 | KdeKris | ? |
| 20:55.13 | jcb2016 | amd64 |
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| 20:56.33 | KdeKris | jcb2016 torrent image or non torrent? |
| 20:57.11 | KdeKris | as in, your preferred download method? |
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| 20:59.09 | KdeKris | Also, general question for all, Western Digital or Seagate hdd? |
| 21:00.35 | CarlFK | man e2fsck If any bad blocks are found, they are added to the bad block inode to prevent them from being allocated to a file or directory. |
| 21:01.02 | KdeKris | gotcha, thanks CarlFK |
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| 21:02.34 | KdeKris | jcb2016, https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 21:02.40 | CarlFK | KdeKris: pretty sure that's the default |
| 21:02.51 | KdeKris | Should open a browser and directly download the iso you need |
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| 21:03.08 | KdeKris | CarlFK, yeah, the man page came right up. |
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| 21:11.35 | KdeKris | CarlFK. Looks like I have to unmount the partition in order to run e2fsck and ignore/remove/fix the bad blocks. Problem is, I'm booted into it at the moment. Gonna have to write a live usb.lol |
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| 21:11.57 | CarlFK | KdeKris: it may already be in effect |
| 21:12.15 | KdeKris | The e2fsck fix? How so? |
| 21:12.28 | CarlFK | KdeKris: like I'm pretty sure as bad blocks are detected, they get dealt with |
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| 21:13.31 | KdeKris | Hopefully, I'm still getting errors of certain directories being read only and unable to perform certain tasks because of this. |
| 21:13.33 | CarlFK | I know there are like 2 or 3 'things' managing this - like the disk itself has firmware that tracks and does stuff. look into what all SMART is and does |
| 21:13.40 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, i have that iso and burned it to a cd. there is no installer in there. there are bootoptions though. 1. run desktop live mode 2. graphic installer 3. installer which should i choose? |
| 21:14.02 | KdeKris | run the graphic installer |
| 21:14.29 | jcb2016 | ok |
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| 21:15.25 | KdeKris | SMART may the reason I keep getting the initramfs prompt at boot and have to fsck the disk before it boots. |
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| 21:24.11 | KdeKris | Seems the file system has booted as read only in order to prevent writing to the bad sectors. |
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| 21:26.57 | jcb2016 | KdeKris, so this is what i did. i burned the iso to a dvd. booted it up went to grpahic installer. it looked for wifi but it is missing the firmware it said i can load it with a usb or a dvd or something. any ideas? |
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| 21:27.26 | KdeKris | With that image, you shouldn't need internet to install the os |
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| 21:28.07 | KdeKris | So you should be able to skip that step entirely. |
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| 22:38.42 | Tordek | hi, I just got a radeon graphics card and xorg is segfaulting after/during loading glamoregl |
| 22:38.45 | Tordek | I purged nvidia, installed the firmware, and deleted xorg.conf |
| 22:38.53 | Tordek | I'm on "mostly stretch" |
| 22:40.07 | Tordek | also no packages seem to exist containing glamor in the name, since the first thing I thought of was to update that package |
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| 22:41.39 | Tordek | the last line in xorg.0.log mentions a segfault on 0x0 |
| 22:42.47 | simpledat | What encryption does it use when you do LVM disk encryption during install? |
| 22:42.48 | simpledat | luks? |
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| 22:55.59 | peylight | Any job offer for Debian Sysadmin / DevOps ? |
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| 23:25.28 | kyych | hello, is there any proper way to handle lid close on laptop? |
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| 23:35.49 | indomitable | probably |
| 23:36.23 | indomitable | are you on kde or gnome or what, kyych |
| 23:39.16 | kyych | actually, i3 |
| 23:39.28 | kyych | using only window manager |
| 23:39.43 | kyych | with xorg |
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| 23:40.46 | indomitable | kyych, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/200125/debian-8-jessie-laptop-stops-working-after-closing-the-laptop-lid might be useful |
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| 23:42.24 | kyych | thanx, seems that logind.conf has some useful options |
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| 23:43.33 | indomitable | worth a shot |
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| 23:43.45 | indomitable | I'm gonna go to bed before dez pounces on me |
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| 23:45.20 | dez | I do enjoy pouncing on people |
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