| 00:01.35 | mikeliss | mawk: I ended up doing a crobtab instead. Seemed safer to just replace the new interfaces file with a working one and reboot. Anyway, wasn't needed! I think the bridge connection is up, so that's 2/3 of my networking needs met. Last need is the bonded connection. |
| 00:02.01 | mawk | well you have to trust my blind bash skills but it's equivalent I think |
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| 00:02.10 | mawk | good |
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| 00:02.16 | mikeliss | I'm sorry I didn't trust you. :) |
| 00:02.18 | mawk | well played |
| 00:02.20 | mawk | lol it's fine |
| 00:02.28 | mawk | I wouldn't trust myself either for something like this |
| 00:02.31 | mawk | not without a few tests before |
| 00:02.49 | mikeliss | exactly. Cron I trust. Person from the internet...kinda. |
| 00:03.03 | mawk | echo 'setting'; sleep 5 && { echo 'unsetting'; } || { echo 'interrupted !'; } |
| 00:03.05 | mawk | my trick was this |
| 00:03.06 | mikeliss | Though with the amount of weirdness in the networking stack, I don't know why I trust cron anymore. |
| 00:03.18 | mawk | if you run this and ^C in the first 5 seconds it says interrupted, otherwise it says unsetting |
| 00:03.34 | mikeliss | Yeah. I get that. I just don't trust all the setting and unsetting bits. |
| 00:03.35 | mawk | doesn't even echo interrupted actually, but the meaning is here |
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| 00:04.08 | mawk | they were ip commands you can break down, if I remember I down addr flush, route flush, link set nomaster |
| 00:04.16 | mawk | respectively to flush addresses, route, bridge settings |
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| 00:04.30 | mawk | I did* |
| 00:04.44 | mikeliss | I get it. I just don't trust it with having to put my ass in a car if wrong. |
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| 00:06.54 | mawk | lol |
| 00:06.55 | mawk | yeah |
| 00:07.20 | mawk | for my server I have management access if things go wrong |
| 00:07.29 | mawk | I can connect to a virtual monitor/keyboard and fix things |
| 00:07.33 | mawk | even if everything went horribly wrong |
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| 00:07.47 | mikeliss | That via Rackspace console or something? |
| 00:08.03 | mawk | via the HP rack console yes |
| 00:08.05 | mawk | dunno about rackspace |
| 00:08.11 | mikeliss | Sounds similar. |
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| 00:55.54 | raidghost | Anyone here, got good luck with activate iommu ? |
| 00:56.24 | raidghost | Trying to pci passthrought a pci-e dvb-c card in libvirtd |
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| 01:11.47 | SerajewelKS | i'm on a system with postfix installed but there is no "mail" binary in $PATH and no results for bin/mail on p.d.o!? |
| 01:13.02 | SerajewelKS | mmm apparently it's bsd-mailx and it's provided as an alternative -_- |
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| 03:24.20 | kevr | i can't use startx on my fresh install of deb9 with i3 because i don't have permission to the X server. could someone point me in the right direction to some doc of what I should be looking for on debian to solve this? |
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| 03:28.42 | kevr | nvm. groups. |
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| 03:50.03 | A|an | I'm trying to install duplicity backport...supposedly apt-get -t stretch-backports install duplicity is the incantation...doing so returns "The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT" |
| 03:50.16 | A|an | How do you install a backport using apt-get? |
| 03:50.58 | A|an | And backports are in my sources.list |
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| 03:55.03 | awal1 | A|an, add backports repo to your sources.list first and update before that command |
| 03:55.17 | awal1 | dpkg: stretch-backports |
| 03:55.17 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 03:55.28 | awal1 | dpkg: backports |
| 03:55.28 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 03:55.53 | awal1 | ok,, you said you already have the repo in your sources |
| 03:55.59 | A|an | yes |
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| 03:56.01 | awal1 | run apt-get update so |
| 03:56.07 | A|an | did so |
| 03:56.30 | awal1 | can you paste your sources? |
| 03:56.35 | awal1 | paste.debian.net |
| 03:56.44 | A|an | I'm following the directions at backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 03:56.48 | A|an | yes |
| 03:56.51 | A|an | just a sec |
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| 03:59.10 | A|an | https://paste.debian.net/1074688/ |
| 04:00.10 | A|an | I have it committed out!!!! |
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| 04:00.21 | A|an | can you believe a retard thing like that?! |
| 04:00.37 | A|an | well, problem solved |
| 04:03.33 | awal1 | you have the repo disabled :d |
| 04:03.34 | awal1 | lol |
| 04:03.36 | A|an | thx, awal1 |
| 04:04.44 | A|an | (I'd've worried myself to death if I hadn't come here <blink-blink>) |
| 04:04.55 | A|an | pretty stupid |
| 04:05.00 | A|an | anyway, thx |
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| 04:06.07 | awal1 | np |
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| 04:27.00 | mwheeler | At the risk of being 99th person to come in and ask, did jessie-updates disappear from mirrors on purpose or is something broken? |
| 04:27.27 | BenderRodriguez | hm |
| 04:27.42 | jcb2016 | mwheeler: guess what im about to ask |
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| 04:29.46 | mwheeler | jcb2016: why am I still running jessie? |
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| 04:30.30 | jcb2016 | mwheeler: nope. did jessie-updates disappear |
| 04:30.49 | mwheeler | hehe |
| 04:30.53 | jcb2016 | :D |
| 04:31.05 | mwheeler | This is the URL I'm using in case that's importanthttp://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 04:34.09 | jcb2016 | why don't the debian install images have firmware included with them? any ideas anyone? |
| 04:36.48 | mwheeler | jcb2016: the non free firmware? so that debian can remain 100% opensource for users that choose that |
| 04:37.30 | jcb2016 | mwheeler: don't know. just wondering why it didn't |
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| 04:39.03 | jcb2016 | mwheeler: let me tell you what im trying to do. i want to do. i currently run debian in a virtualbox but i want to try it on real hardware. so i want to boot a live debian image/usb with presistant data so when i exit and boot back up the data saves. all the tries ive done all have failed. just wondering how i can boot the live image with usb and load the firmware for wifi at the same time. or is that even |
| 04:39.06 | jcb2016 | possible |
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| 04:42.35 | jcb2016 | ive installed debian to usb succesful and it boots normally everything is fine. i dont' want ubuntu i want debian o_O |
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| 04:49.29 | uvcontact | hello |
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| 05:02.35 | milkt | jcb2016: there is unofficial installer image which containing non-free firmware |
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| 05:08.52 | aidansw | Hey, I was wondering, how do I grant a mounted drive execute permissions? |
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| 06:50.08 | pingfloyd | started getting this just today "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 208.80.154.15 80]" |
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| 06:50.17 | pingfloyd | when I run apt-get update |
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| 06:52.48 | vStone | Any known issues with the archive servers? Jessie-backports's release file seems to be outdated |
| 06:53.53 | pingfloyd | vStone: are you having trouble with jessie-updates and jessie-backports too? |
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| 06:54.24 | pingfloyd | vStone: I started getting messages like this just today "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 208.80.154.15 80]" |
| 06:54.36 | pingfloyd | when running apt-get update |
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| 06:55.50 | pingfloyd | I wonder if there is an outage |
| 06:55.54 | vStone | I'm feeling like chances have been made. wheezy-backports switched from deb.debian.org to archive.debian.org last week too I think. |
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| 06:58.32 | pingfloyd | I think it's an issue with the ftp.us.debian.org mirror |
| 06:58.47 | pingfloyd | I see both jessie-updates and jessie-backports on ftp.debian.org |
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| 07:00.08 | vStone | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/Release >> Valid until feb 19 |
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| 07:18.10 | pingfloyd | is this correct? "httpredir.debian.org has been discontinued because of lack of maintenance and now redirects to http://deb.debian.org ." |
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| 08:01.50 | kleind | Hi. I see "InRelease is expired (invalid since 34d 11h 33min 22s)" for archive.debian.org/debian jessie-backports. Is that a bug or am I supposed to use Check-Valid-Until=false for oldstable backports? |
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| 08:02.59 | themill | archive.d.o is only an historical archive. You're not supposed to be using it |
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| 08:03.44 | themill | (support for jessie-backports ended on 2018-05-17 fwiw) |
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| 08:11.10 | jobor | How do I find out why a certain package is present in oldstable and sid, but not in stable and testing? (In my case libjasper-dev) |
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| 08:12.34 | pstk | hello here, why I get warning about release file on archives.debian.org from jessie backports? |
| 08:12.47 | pstk | E: Release file for http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 34d 11h 44min 53s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 08:14.15 | kleind | Support for that repository ended in may 2018. You can - if you want to - disable the Check for the Valid header with the apt.conf option "Check-Valid-Until" set to false (or no?) |
| 08:14.46 | pstk | but Check-Valid-Until is globally option |
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| 08:15.09 | kleind | true, unfortunately. i just learned that a couple minutes ago myself. |
| 08:15.27 | pstk | I don't understand why jessie backports has moved to archives⦠|
| 08:15.28 | kleind | in stretch's apt, it is per repository |
| 08:15.45 | kleind | yeah, I could not find a reason for that, either |
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| 08:16.59 | pstk | so⦠thanks kleind |
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| 08:52.49 | roylaprattep | is jessie-backport repo down? |
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| 08:53.37 | vStone | it moved to archive.debian.org roylaprattep, but http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/Release is limiting its use anyhow |
| 08:54.10 | roylaprattep | so we can't use it anymore? i can remove it from my sources.list? |
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| 08:54.30 | roylaprattep | no more update will bw made to it? |
| 08:54.37 | roylaprattep | be* |
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| 09:02.57 | rant | I have a networking issue here.. Debian Stable, I am connected to my internet gateway via wireless on 10.0.0.1 and I am playing with my various Linksys WRT54G* routers via ethernet on 192.168.1.1 when I enable the wired connection (static) in network-manager applet I am able to browse the web and maintain my mosh connection here, but certain sites like sf.net are not accessible in chromium it says |
| 09:03.03 | rant | ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE which I find confusing when I can get to google, wikipedia, etc.. |
| 09:04.36 | rant | traceroute is failing on anything cause its using 192.168.1.1 and ending there cause there is not internet available on this network.. |
| 09:05.01 | rant | I just dont understand how I'm able to get to some sites via chromium and not others if there is an problem in my routing tables |
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| 09:07.10 | rant | its obviously not actually using 192.168.1.1 for DNS cause its resolving sf.net and google.com to IPs which this wrt54g cant do cause its not online. http://paste.debian.net/1074704/ |
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| 09:09.59 | rant | nm, I figured it out.. removed the gateway from the ipv4 tab and disabled ipv6 and I'm still able to access the wrt54g on 192.168.1.1 but its not screwing with my routing |
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| 09:10.15 | rant | still doesnt make sense to me though that I was able to load some sites and not others |
| 09:10.26 | rant | seems to me like a routing table issue is an all or nothing deal |
| 09:10.47 | rant | in the case where one network has internet and the other doesnt.. |
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| 09:33.36 | tobiasnl | ohai :) |
| 09:33.57 | tobiasnl | does anybody know where http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/ went? |
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| 09:35.04 | rant | right there ^ :P |
| 09:35.29 | tobiasnl | for me it 404s... |
| 09:35.32 | tobiasnl | cdn borked? |
| 09:36.00 | apollo13 | maybe, 404s here to |
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| 09:36.43 | rant | dpkg, what is jessie? |
| 09:36.43 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 ; security support ends 2018-05-17 but ask me about <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.10>. |
| 09:37.01 | rant | dpkg, what is jessie-lts |
| 09:37.01 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 09:37.12 | tobiasnl | @dpkg afaik jessie-lts is supported from that url |
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| 09:37.46 | rant | dpkg, jessie/updates? |
| 09:37.46 | dpkg | On Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "jessie/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>). See also <sources.list> <jessie-lts>. |
| 09:38.02 | tobiasnl | simple stuff like running apt-get update inside a docker-image based on debian:jessie is dead here |
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| 09:38.45 | tobiasnl | rant: this worked a week ago :) so did something change? |
| 09:38.52 | rant | there /has/ been some odd stuff going on with the jessie mirrors recently |
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| 09:40.22 | jelly | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html |
| 09:40.29 | tobiasnl | ah found it |
| 09:40.30 | jelly | > Removal of Wheezy and Jessie (except LTS) from mirrors |
| 09:40.37 | tobiasnl | ah jelly was 10s quicker |
| 09:41.12 | fritzroy15 | hello, are there issues today with debian's repos? I can't seem to get apt update to work ( debian 8 jessie ): https://gist.github.com/lupupaulsv/0e5d01d131deba6003a35641012e7ee4 |
| 09:41.13 | tobiasnl | so I guess I gotta hint the debian:jessie docker image maintainer that his stuff is out of date |
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| 09:41.39 | tobiasnl | haha, I'm guessing you're gonna have more questions regardingthis today |
| 09:42.08 | tobiasnl | @fritzroy15 https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html |
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| 09:43.09 | pragomer | how can I read a csv file that is separated with semicolons? |
| 09:43.11 | pragomer | I tried |
| 09:43.19 | pragomer | column -t -s; myfile.csv |
| 09:43.31 | tobiasnl | escape the ; ? |
| 09:43.38 | fritzroy15 | tobiasnl not sure I understand, has LTS support ended for deb8? |
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| 09:43.52 | tobiasnl | fritsroy15 no the non LTS bits are archived |
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| 09:44.19 | pragomer | escaping is that with an \ ? |
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| 09:44.45 | tobiasnl | pragomer yes |
| 09:44.55 | pragomer | ah yes, it works. thank you very much |
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| 09:47.06 | fritzroy15 | tobiasnl not sure I understand how to fix it on my end |
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| 09:47.25 | fritzroy15 | tobiasnl tried updating all repo sources with archive.debian.org but that's not it |
| 09:48.21 | jelly | fritzroy15: there's nothing to fix but remove jessie-updates and jessie-backports repositories from your config |
| 09:48.25 | CrazyTux | which is a better approach when we want to migrate to a newer release of Debian, installing it afresh or complete upgrade of the existing installation? |
| 09:48.38 | jelly | CrazyTux: both work. |
| 09:48.41 | apollo13 | well the safer bet is obviusly a fresh install |
| 09:48.47 | CrazyTux | in case of Debian stable. |
| 09:48.52 | apollo13 | also a good way to test if your configuration management system works :D |
| 09:49.02 | jelly | safer for whom? |
| 09:49.14 | CrazyTux | for an end user. |
| 09:49.28 | apollo13 | jelly: for the sys admin to know that the config files are as they should be |
| 09:49.43 | rant | yes because all the literature regarding LTS is no longer valid |
| 09:49.53 | CrazyTux | suppose if one has debian 8 installed and wants to move to 9. |
| 09:50.21 | apollo13 | personally at laest I do not do updates, I do new installs for major version changes -- ymmv |
| 09:50.24 | jelly | CrazyTux: there is a supported and documented in-place upgrade path, if you want to do it that way.. |
| 09:50.26 | rant | I was checking the mailing lists, and other mirrors, I don't see any jessie-updates on any of them and the LTS wiki entry says to use that in your sources |
| 09:50.27 | CrazyTux | I am asking from the perspective of a non technical end user. |
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| 09:50.43 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 09:50.43 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 09:50.49 | mami64 | hello |
| 09:50.50 | rant | the jessie/updates is still there on security.debian.org |
| 09:51.04 | themill | rant: jessie/updates *is* LTS. |
| 09:51.07 | jelly | rant: and it will keep being there. That's where lts packages go. |
| 09:51.09 | mami64 | I have a problem with "page allocation failure" in debian8 (kernel distro 3.16.51-3+deb8u1). The problem repeats every ~20 days ---dmesg---> https://paste.debian.net/1074697/ |
| 09:51.14 | fritzroy15 | jelly so where will it get its updates from ? |
| 09:51.33 | jelly | fritzroy15: not from those any more. |
| 09:51.43 | mami64 | I change RAM to new and add 2x |
| 09:51.55 | fritzroy15 | jelly what are the new sources I should change to? |
| 09:51.57 | jelly | fritzroy15: because there won't be updates in those repos, and there haven't been any for a while. |
| 09:52.05 | mami64 | And I dont have any idea |
| 09:52.24 | jelly | fritzroy15: you don't put in any. You plan a release upgrade to Debian 9 if there's something new you need. |
| 09:52.27 | Haohmaru | mami64 perhaps, run a memtest? |
| 09:52.29 | mami64 | server: PowerEdge R620 |
| 09:52.29 | rant | then I suppose someone should fix the wiki then |
| 09:52.34 | weedloser | how long does it usually take from the full freeze to an official stable release? |
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| 09:52.37 | fritzroy15 | ah okay, thanks for the info! |
| 09:52.56 | jelly | fritzroy15: or you make your own local backports! |
| 09:52.57 | KOLANICH | Hi everyone. How to get rid of dpkg-genbuildinfo: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; .buildinfo is meaningless ? |
| 09:53.16 | mami64 | Haohmaru: For latest (this same) problem I change to new RAM and added 2x more RAM |
| 09:53.28 | rant | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using : "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free" |
| 09:53.36 | mami64 | problem returns ~20-23 days |
| 09:55.31 | themill | rant: thanks, fixed. |
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| 09:55.42 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.23 | mami64 | ... |
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| 09:57.06 | mami64 | cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes |
| 09:57.08 | mami64 | 90112 |
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| 09:59.39 | rant | dpkg jessie/updates ~= s/ and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>)// |
| 09:59.39 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, rant |
| 09:59.48 | rant | dpkg jessie/updates =~ s/ and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>)// |
| 09:59.48 | dpkg | rant: OK |
| 09:59.59 | Haohmaru | mami64 no idea about that |
| 10:00.26 | rant | dpkg jessie/updates =~ s/re are two repositories/other repository/ |
| 10:00.27 | dpkg | rant: OK |
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| 10:02.25 | mami64 | Haohmaru: maby I change kernel to 4.x |
| 10:02.36 | mami64 | mamby code CPU was problematic or something |
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| 10:02.53 | mami64 | I dont known. |
| 10:03.26 | jelly | rant: now go fix up stretch/updates as well! |
| 10:03.26 | fritzroy15 | i'm really confused right now; the full story is we had a build working off the ruby2.2.2 docker image which is based on the debian8 image; now apt is broken, it can't find any package anymore, and the apt update command just fails altogether |
| 10:03.28 | mami64 | this debian is without systemd |
| 10:03.32 | fritzroy15 | no idea how to sort this mess |
| 10:03.40 | overbythere | hopefully not repeating something, but jessie-updates disappeared overnight, did I miss something? |
| 10:03.58 | jelly | fritzroy15: how broken is your apt? |
| 10:04.05 | jelly | dpkg, basic apt troubleshooting |
| 10:04.05 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 10:04.08 | jelly | fritzroy15: ^ |
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| 10:05.02 | themill | overbythere: yes, it has been unsupported since 2018-05-17 and was finally removed |
| 10:05.17 | overbythere | time to upgrade yayay |
| 10:05.22 | overbythere | boss can't stop me now |
| 10:05.52 | themill | well, the time to upgrade was either this time last year, or in another year when jessie-lts runs out, depending on your use case |
| 10:05.53 | *** topic/#debian by jelly -> Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.8 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch ; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie, jessie-updates and jessie-backports REMOVED 2019-03-24, /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg jessie-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 10:06.14 | overbythere | themill shh the error in apt-get is my way to say we need to upgrade, it'll do :D |
| 10:06.55 | jelly | there, now we have somthing in topic that noone will read |
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| 10:07.45 | colo-work | hmmm |
| 10:08.06 | colo-work | has jessie/updates "contrib" vanished? |
| 10:08.06 | overbythere | jelly i promise i read the topic twice before i posted, pls dont hat eme |
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| 10:09.59 | fritzroy15 | jelly https://gist.github.com/lupupaulsv/0e5d01d131deba6003a35641012e7ee4 here is the output |
| 10:10.31 | jelly | I won't hat anyone, this is not #fedora |
| 10:10.39 | overbythere | ha! |
| 10:10.39 | overbythere | touché |
| 10:10.55 | tobiasnl | @jelly I read the topic when I entered! :-) |
| 10:11.00 | tobiasnl | but, good busy |
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| 10:11.32 | fritzroy15 | jelly don't i have to change the existing sources.list to somewhere on archive.debian.org? |
| 10:12.30 | jelly | fritzroy15: remove jessie-updates and jessie-backports repo from the config for starters |
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| 10:12.53 | jelly | and there's an issue with third (first?) party postgresql repo you're using |
| 10:12.56 | rant | dpkg, stretch/updates =~ s/ (see <jessie-updates>)// |
| 10:12.56 | dpkg | OK, rant |
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| 10:14.59 | rant | only jessie machine I had was my father's desktop and I upgraded it this time last year just cause I wasnt sure if I'd be around when it reached EOL |
| 10:15.08 | fritzroy15 | jelly so I can leave in just "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main" into the sources.list? |
| 10:15.10 | jelly | rant: a link to <stretch-updates> could have been left in place there, don't you think? |
| 10:15.31 | jelly | fritzroy15: and security.d.o one too. |
| 10:15.56 | rant | jelly: doesn't matter really, the factoid for jessie-updates speaks of it in past tense and says it no longer exists.. but idk.. what else was wrong with that factoid then? :P |
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| 10:16.41 | fritzroy15 | jelly what would be the line for security? |
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| 10:18.36 | KOLANICH | Damn. https://github.com/guillemj/dpkg/blob/931d4ffac832ab17971bc8bd077d23111de3d47f/scripts/dpkg-buildpackage.pl#L583 |
| 10:19.26 | themill | KOLANICH: I think you might need to offer a bit of context |
| 10:19.47 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 10:19.47 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:21.44 | KOLANICH | themill: I am packaging a prebuilt app. I download it from GitHub and with scripts rip into different packages. but dpkg-buildpackage fails. |
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| 10:22.37 | jim | hi. just installed inkscape on stretch, and when I hover the mouse over the icons, I get a white rectangle with a black border, and nothing on it |
| 10:23.03 | jim | is this a known issue? could it be a configuration problem? |
| 10:23.06 | KOLANICH | themill: the error is `dpkg-genbuildinfo: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; .buildinfo is meaningless` . |
| 10:23.51 | themill | jim: istr that's something in the gtk theme -- you have white on white. |
| 10:24.01 | themill | KOLANICH: yeah, that's not actually any info I didn't already know. How about the full output? |
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| 10:25.54 | jim | themill, sounds right to me (what's istr again?) |
| 10:26.20 | jim | I got it, I seem to recall |
| 10:26.34 | fritzroy15 | jelly thank you very much, everything seems to work now; that's a neat feature with ! in the channel, are all the standard config files the system comes with listed? A lot of times I forget to copy the original before overwritting it and need to search for a copy |
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| 10:27.49 | fritzroy15 | jelly also, for how much longer are those repositories for jessie be supported? |
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| 10:29.32 | fritzroy15 | so I know when our builds might fail again; would that be the EOL date of june 30 2020? |
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| 10:37.44 | mami64 | Haohmaru: maby change vm.min_free_kbytes=90112 ? |
| 10:37.59 | mami64 | to vm.min_free_kbytes=1048576 ? |
| 10:38.01 | Haohmaru | no idea what that is |
| 10:38.05 | mami64 | i have 128 GB RAM |
| 10:39.32 | jim | themill (and *), I got this when starting inkscape (and as noted in the pastebin, I removed the config files): https://termbin.com/cmc0 and earlier, before removing them, I got the same, and also this: https://termbin.com/901z |
| 10:40.21 | jim | still the white-on-white thing is happening, even after removing the configs |
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| 10:42.20 | pstk | fritzroy15: same here... |
| 10:42.29 | pstk | we have removed jessie-updates repo |
| 10:43.04 | fritzroy15 | what will happen after EOL on June 30 2020? will apt break again? |
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| 10:45.17 | fritzroy15 | havent experienced EOL events before |
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| 10:48.29 | damasceno | I can see jessie-updates and jessie-backports repos were removed, does anyone know why? |
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| 10:49.09 | fritzroy15 | damasceno https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html |
| 10:49.10 | tobiasnl | because they can :) |
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| 10:49.49 | tobiasnl | the only thing I dont understand is why a version in LTS should not be in the normal /dists |
| 10:50.03 | damasceno | tobiasnl: xD |
| 10:50.17 | damasceno | fritzroy15: thanks. It broke our production env :( |
| 10:50.30 | tobiasnl | same here. Lots of red pipelines. |
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| 10:50.42 | damasceno | Is there a way to keep up with the changes? We want to prevent something like this to happen again... |
| 10:50.55 | fritzroy15 | tobiasnl damasceno same here |
| 10:50.57 | tobiasnl | subscribe to debian-devel-announce |
| 10:51.07 | themill | jessie-updates has not been used for almost a year and should not have been in your sources.list giving you a false sense of security |
| 10:51.36 | tobiasnl | themill: not everybody uses debian at that level - for lots of people its just a building block |
| 10:51.52 | fritzroy15 | guys, what happens on June 30 2020 ( deb8 EOL ) as far as APT is concerned? |
| 10:51.58 | themill | you should still know if your building blocks are supported |
| 10:52.01 | tobiasnl | (and why didnt it move almost a year ago? that makes it more vague why stuff just died this week) |
| 10:52.20 | themill | it was supposed to be but just didn't happen |
| 10:52.45 | colo-work | [11:51:58] <themill> you should still know if your building blocks are supported - hehe, tell that to ubuntu users :> |
| 10:52.46 | themill | (it's quite a lot of work and there were more important things to do for the volunteers who deal with that sort of janitorial work) |
| 10:53.02 | damasceno | Thanks for the info guys |
| 10:53.37 | fritzroy15 | did you ever get that feeling you're invisible and nobody pays attention to what you say? |
| 10:53.53 | tobiasnl | I just dont have an answer fritzroy15 |
| 10:53.58 | themill | fritzroy15: step 1, you'll just not get any more updates. step 2, it will be removed from the mirror and you'll get 404s. |
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| 10:54.13 | tobiasnl | so step 1 is similar to now |
| 10:54.21 | themill | fritzroy15: you should be planning to stop using it before the end date, not after the end date when things suddenly break |
| 10:54.24 | tobiasnl | and step 2 is similar to why you came here - errors in your console |
| 10:54.31 | themill | it's not like these dates aren't published years in advance. |
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| 10:54.50 | fritzroy15 | ah okay, so we need to update by then |
| 10:54.52 | damasceno | P.S: It can still be found in the official debian jessie docker image: https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts/blob/3e751c2c2f60037e9231ed94bbd1f95347af2c87/jessie/rootfs.sources-list |
| 10:54.59 | damasceno | So, this is not right... |
| 10:55.02 | fritzroy15 | was just curious if the packages linger around |
| 10:55.08 | tobiasnl | damasceno: thats why i raised an issue there |
| 10:55.25 | themill | damasceno: fsv official |
| 10:55.51 | tobiasnl | I'm afraid this is going to break a lot of legacy boxes the coming weeks :) |
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| 10:56.20 | tobiasnl | 'ah this was apparently running jessie under the hood' ;-) |
| 10:56.53 | themill | if that makes people finally upgrade to a supported release, that's good. Should have done it 10 months ago. |
| 10:58.28 | rookie | under the debian stretch xfce4 install iso i am trying to mount a ufs partition => "ufs: ufs_fill_super(): fragment size 8192 is too large " && "ufs: ufs_fill_super(): bad magic number" |
| 10:58.42 | KOLANICH | how to make dpkg-buildpackage download source code? |
| 10:59.09 | KOLANICH | In fact it is not source code, but prebuilt binary |
| 10:59.10 | fritzroy15 | thanks for all the info guys, we're back up and running, and we're in the process of debating how to set a reminder on June 10 2020 lel |
| 10:59.22 | tobiasnl | themill: if I simply change debian:jessie to debian:stretch in the vendors dockerfile it breaks. I don't want to become the maintainer of the image. So I can't simply 'upgrade to a supported release' with a snip of the fingers. |
| 10:59.50 | themill | KOLANICH: it can do neither |
| 11:00.42 | KOLANICH | themill: I mean is there any target in debian/rules I should create to download source? |
| 11:01.34 | themill | KOLANICH: you could in any target for your own custom package. (Debian packages cannot do so at all) |
| 11:03.33 | KOLANICH | themill: I don't understand anything. dpkg-buildpackage asks me about source package. Is it meant to be placed there by a shell script or what? |
| 11:03.56 | KOLANICH | befor dpkg-buildpackage is called |
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| 11:04.15 | themill | The source package is the thing you're building. |
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| 11:05.29 | themill | You've not really shared any details with us so I can't quite see what your current set of misconceptions are to begin fixing them. |
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| 11:08.28 | n4dir | the debian wiki is full of how-to's about the subject though, so whichever details fit, something will be found there. step-by-step. |
| 11:08.44 | jim | themill, so after removing inkscape configs and the tooltip problems remain (just get a bordered white rectangle, nothing on it, so maybe white-on-white), is there something more system-wide I should adjust the configuration of? |
| 11:11.16 | themill | As I said, my understanding is that it is a gtk theme setting. |
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| 11:14.07 | KOLANICH | themill: https://file.io/GgPY7g |
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| 11:14.27 | themill | KOLANICH: 404. |
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| 11:28.03 | wyre | hi guys, where could I find docu about how to reinstall debian kernel from a live image using chroot? |
| 11:28.32 | wyre | well, first, is this possible? hehe |
| 11:28.46 | wyre | (I think it must be ð) |
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| 11:30.06 | n4dir | !chroot |
| 11:30.06 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 11:30.25 | EvilDMP | I'm getting a: |
| 11:30.25 | EvilDMP | W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 11:30.31 | EvilDMP | In fact I see it redirects to http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages |
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| 11:30.44 | EvilDMP | which is where the 404 comes from. |
| 11:31.03 | EvilDMP | Is this simply a temporary CDN issue? |
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| 11:35.28 | mocas | It's possible to monitor which files are looked up in some folder? I need to create a configuration file but I forgot the name.... :( |
| 11:36.14 | Ticho_ | with strace, perhaps? |
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| 11:36.32 | mocas | yah, strace, I will try.... thks |
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| 11:37.16 | Ede|Popede | EvilDMP: see topic |
| 11:38.08 | EvilDMP | Ede|Popede: Not entirely sure what I am looking for - but I guess "jessie-updates and jessie-backports REMOVED 2019-03-24"? |
| 11:38.18 | Ede|Popede | bingo |
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| 11:40.26 | EvilDMP | Ede|Popede: Thanks, I am not very familiar with this, what should I search for to find out more about this? |
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| 11:41.39 | Ede|Popede | EvilDMP: that's the announcement https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html, the stuff seem to be on archive.debian.org now. but i have no clue how usable it still is, never cared for. |
| 11:42.05 | EvilDMP | Thanks again Ede|Popede |
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| 11:50.56 | elitas | hello, what repository i should use instead jessie-backports ? |
| 11:50.57 | wyre | also... may I use chroot to my debian system from my ArchLinux (both in the same disk)? |
| 11:51.20 | wyre | or it is more convenient using the Debian install media? |
| 11:52.57 | colo-work | wyre, you could use systemd-nspawn, it makes for a very convenient "distros-switcher" of sorts |
| 11:53.40 | wyre | colo-work: I do not get you |
| 11:53.45 | wyre | I don't know systemd-nspawn |
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| 11:54.46 | wyre | colo-work: are you talking about this one? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-nspawn#Create_a_Debian_or_Ubuntu_environment |
| 11:55.03 | colo-work | seems like that could be what I was talking about, yes |
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| 11:55.49 | indomitable | why is debhelper setting channel limits |
| 11:55.57 | indomitable | is it to prevent people filling up the channel with bots? |
| 11:56.10 | Ede|Popede | probably. joinfloods |
| 11:56.47 | wyre | colo-work: but it does seems to setup a new containers, not to repair existent systems ... |
| 11:57.04 | colo-work | I wasn't aware that that was your goal |
| 11:57.12 | colo-work | for a repair job, chroot is gonna do fine |
| 12:00.38 | overbythere | elitas I think you're meant to move to stretch, or use archive |
| 12:01.17 | wyre | colo-work: ty anyway, it is good info :-) |
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| 12:03.05 | elitas | yeah..., for my situation needed jessie-backports |
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| 12:04.10 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've build cmake and installed it under /usr/local/bin, but now when i enter cmake --version i get: /usr/bin/cmake: File or Directory not found |
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| 12:04.42 | rocketmagnet | i can run it with /usr/local/bin/cmake --version |
| 12:04.53 | rocketmagnet | how to make it the global cmake version ? |
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| 12:05.19 | rocketmagnet | i had cmake installed before but i deinstalled it with apt-get remove cmake --purge |
| 12:05.27 | overbythere | elitas try updating sources to look at archive.debian.org instead of deb.debian etc |
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| 12:28.56 | elitas | thanks a lot for archive.debian.org |
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| 12:39.20 | colo-work | is there a way to determine if any packages on a given system were installed from backports without having aptitude installed? |
| 12:44.33 | themill | colo-work: for the specific case of backports, "bpo" in the version string: dpkg -l | grep bpo (or something using dpkg-query if you want structured output) |
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| 12:46.31 | colo-work | themill, ah, thanks! I forgot about that output format :) |
| 12:46.37 | colo-work | so dpkg -l | awk '{if($3 ~ /bpo/){print}}' it is then |
| 12:46.59 | KOLANICH | themill: so what's wrong with my approach to packaging? |
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| 12:49.20 | ksk | KOLANICH: reading `lastlog' I would guide you to read some dpkg-buildpackage manual, specificly on different types of packages, and how to define things/files that come with a package.. |
| 12:50.09 | ksk | packaging is not a trivial package, so maybe read it again if you already did ;) |
| 12:50.22 | ksk | eeeh, s/package/task/ |
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| 12:52.40 | themill | colo-work: «grep-status -FVersion bpo -sPackage» perhaps. |
| 12:53.03 | themill | KOLANICH: I don't really know what you're trying to do or how you've done it |
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| 13:42.05 | skyfighter | hi guys. Good morning for all ;D |
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| 13:45.01 | Old_Dog | I'm Old_Dog, from Northeast Texas, why? |
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| 14:07.24 | Old_Dog | I guess I misunderstood the question. I'm just a 'lurker' looking to possibly learn something as questions get answered here |
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| 14:32.44 | jelly | there's #debian-offtopic for casual chat |
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| 14:53.33 | Copenhagen_Bram | Is there a way to compile every Debian package from source, like Gentoo or guix --no-substitutes? |
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| 14:58.46 | nkuttler | sure, it's a computer.. you can compile anything you want. why use debian though if you want to do that? |
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| 15:05.46 | stofflswelt | Hi! I'm just now trying to setup Debian 9 on a virtual machine on a Proxmox VE server. But Debian does not seem to accept my gateway. How can I add the next hop for the route when installing Debian? |
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| 15:19.08 | SerajewelKS | stofflswelt: in the installer you can just alt+f2 and issue whatever ip commands you need to get networking up |
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| 15:29.54 | SmashingX | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 208.80.154.15 80] |
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| 15:30.05 | SmashingX | is that server having problems or what's the deal? |
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| 15:32.30 | nkuttler | !jessie |
| 15:32.30 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 15:33.03 | SmashingX | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 15:33.13 | SmashingX | jessie-updates is not there! |
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| 15:33.20 | nkuttler | we know |
| 15:33.44 | nkuttler | time to upgrade to a supported os |
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| 15:34.05 | BCMM | SmashingX: jessie is dead |
| 15:34.10 | SmashingX | what?! |
| 15:34.21 | nkuttler | read what the bot said.. |
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| 15:34.30 | SmashingX | I read it |
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| 15:34.46 | SmashingX | So does that mean I have to remove this OS and install a new version? |
| 15:34.53 | nkuttler | you can just upgrade |
| 15:34.54 | BCMM | SmashingX: no, you can upgrade |
| 15:34.58 | SmashingX | from LMDE? |
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| 15:35.14 | BCMM | SmashingX: hang on, are you using mint or debian? |
| 15:35.14 | SmashingX | I have LMDE 2 |
| 15:35.16 | nkuttler | !lmde |
| 15:35.17 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 15:35.34 | SmashingX | well, is based on debian |
| 15:35.39 | SmashingX | not on ubuntu |
| 15:35.40 | BCMM | !based on debian |
| 15:35.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:36.14 | BCMM | SmashingX: basically, if your Mint system is broken, you should ask Mint's IRC channel about it |
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| 15:36.33 | ws2k3 | im trying to setup a ipsec vpn connection on debian, does anyone have an idea which client i could use? im reading something about racoon and openswan |
| 15:36.42 | BCMM | SmashingX: i could hazard a guess that you're using a very outdated version of Mint, but I don't really know enough about Mint to be sure about that |
| 15:37.03 | SmashingX | mhh is not that old |
| 15:37.10 | SmashingX | I installed it about 2 years ago |
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| 15:38.32 | BCMM | SmashingX: well, lmde 3 has been out for over six months, and it doesn't cost anything |
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| 15:38.48 | BCMM | go and ask mint's irc channel or forum or whatever about how to upgrade it |
| 15:39.32 | SmashingX | it doesn't cost anything, but it takes me like 2 days to configure all the things that I have installed |
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| 15:40.27 | BCMM | SmashingX: seriously, go and ask a mint channel. i *think* they *used to* recommend clean install, but support upgrades now? not sure. |
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| 15:41.18 | SmashingX | I'm asking them, nobody answers. it's almost an empty channel. I know is not something you care about, but geez, this is frustrating. |
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| 15:42.41 | SmashingX | just a question, if that directory was removed from that mirror, does that mean that it will be also removed from all the other mirrors? |
| 15:42.47 | BCMM | SmashingX: are you in their official channel? it's not on freenode. |
| 15:43.04 | SmashingX | I'm in ##linuxmint |
| 15:43.19 | SmashingX | I see where that is |
| 15:43.19 | Ede|Popede | mirrors are mirrors. normally they should reflect the state of the original source. |
| 15:43.21 | SmashingX | ok, thank you |
| 15:43.23 | BCMM | SmashingX: ... you understand there is more than one IRC network, right? |
| 15:43.38 | BCMM | https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12 |
| 15:43.39 | SmashingX | I do, I 've used IRC for 20 years |
| 15:43.54 | BCMM | SmashingX: right. mint's official channel is *not on freenode* |
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| 15:44.16 | SmashingX | ok anyway thank you |
| 15:44.20 | BCMM | this is even in the /topic of ##linuxmint |
| 15:44.40 | BCMM | so if that channel is dead, try the proper channel |
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| 15:45.35 | SmashingX | is there any reason why they are not in this IRC network? |
| 15:45.44 | SmashingX | does anybody know? |
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| 15:47.51 | rant | SmashingX: someone in their channel might know. I'm a Debian and Freenode user, I neither know nor care. |
| 15:47.54 | BCMM | another question that it would be better to ask them, i'm afraid |
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| 15:50.37 | BCMM | i don't know what the deal with spotchat is. most of their website is just dead links, and looks like mint's channels are the only big channels on there |
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| 16:03.21 | yokowka | heavenO, everysoul!!!! after debian 9 netinstalling there is: login, i entered it, then enter password and now it is: name@name:~$ with kursor and no enter to the system, how to enter? |
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| 16:04.18 | BCMM | yokowka: that's your shell prompt. you are logged in. |
| 16:04.20 | Ede|Popede | yokowka: welcome to the shell. afaik netinstall doesn't have X |
| 16:04.35 | Ede|Popede | you may want X and some desktop |
| 16:04.43 | BCMM | yokowka: it sounds like you didn't choose any "tasks" during the installation, so you don't have a GUI |
| 16:04.49 | jhutchins_wk | l!console |
| 16:04.53 | jhutchins_wk | !console |
| 16:04.53 | dpkg | Console Guides: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ http://tinyurl.com/gwg2b http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html . See also <serial console>, <netconsole>. |
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| 16:05.21 | BCMM | yokowka: did you see a screen like this during install? https://i.stack.imgur.com/6t28R.png |
| 16:05.42 | yokowka | BCMM, Ede|Popede and how to make next step? |
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| 16:06.06 | BCMM | yokowka: you're trying to set this up as a desktop with a graphical environment, right? |
| 16:06.22 | Ede|Popede | yokowka: `tasksel` looks good |
| 16:06.30 | BCMM | yokowka: i'm guessing that, during install, you didn't make any selections at that screen. you can get that menu back by running `sudo tasksel` |
| 16:06.50 | BCMM | yokowka: or you can just `apt install` a task - do you know which desktop environment you want to use? |
| 16:07.18 | yokowka | BCMM, yes trying with graphical environment. |
| 16:07.47 | Ede|Popede | i hate it when google comes up with superuser, arbitrary blogs and what not, but no official docs |
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| 16:08.00 | yokowka | BCMM, i need xfce, lxde, cinnamon |
| 16:08.08 | BCMM | yokowka: ... all of them? |
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| 16:08.10 | yokowka | thripple of them |
| 16:08.22 | yokowka | but prefer xfce |
| 16:08.59 | BCMM | yokowka: try `sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop task-lxde-desktop task-cinnamon-desktop` |
| 16:09.16 | BCMM | if you really want all of them installed, that is |
| 16:09.34 | Ede|Popede | yokowka if you want to compare desktops in advance https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment?action=show&redirect=CategoryDesktopEnvironment |
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| 16:12.18 | jhutchins_wk | Ede|Popede: What are you looking for today? |
| 16:12.38 | yokowka | BCMM, i've trying this command and : -bash: sudo: command not found... |
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| 16:13.02 | Ede|Popede | jhutchins_wk: peace and love, or what do you mean? |
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| 16:13.24 | jhutchins_wk | You grumbled about irrelevant results from google. |
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| 16:13.48 | Ede|Popede | jhutchins: ah, the google thing. yeah. was hoping for some "how to upgrade from netinst to DE" for yokowka |
| 16:13.52 | BCMM | yokowka: ah, so that probably means you set a separate password for root during install. are you logged in as root right now? |
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| 16:14.04 | BCMM | yokowka: if you're not sure, you can type `whoami` |
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| 16:14.17 | jhutchins_wk | yokowka: If you provided a root password during installation, sudo is not installed. Use su - to become root. |
| 16:14.42 | jhutchins_wk | !tasksel |
| 16:14.43 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 16:15.22 | Ede|Popede | heh, so assumed the correct tool, though never used it |
| 16:15.26 | jhutchins_wk | Ede|Popede: A GUI desktop is simply a layer of software installed on top of a console environment. |
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| 16:16.21 | yokowka | BCMM, not i'm not root now |
| 16:16.35 | BCMM | yokowka: type just `su`. not `sudo su`. |
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| 16:17.43 | BCMM | Ede|Popede: netinst is a method of installing, rather than a different distro. it "comes with" whatever you choose in the installer - it just downloads it from the internet during the installation, instead of getting (potentially outdated) packages from the DVD. |
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| 16:19.13 | zerocool | hi duds, using proxmox which is a debian based distro i connected server to an iscsi target, didn't go well, removed it using iscsiadm (-m session, -T <target> -u, -T <target> -o delete), but a file still exists in `/etc/iscsi/send_targets/<ip:port>/st_config`, do i need to manually delete this file to prevent reconnection? |
| 16:19.26 | yokowka | BCMM, yes now root, but after sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop task-lxde-desktop task-cinnamon-desktop again bash: sudo: command not found.... |
| 16:19.44 | BCMM | yokowka: you don't need to type sudo if you're root |
| 16:20.10 | yokowka | just apt....? |
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| 16:20.19 | BCMM | yokowka: i suggest you just do `apt install task-xfce-desktop`, and then reboot. it'll be easier for you to sort out the rest of the stuff you want once you have a GUI. |
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| 16:22.39 | yokowka | BCMM, system says E: task-xfce-desktop not found.... |
| 16:22.56 | BCMM | oh right. fresh install. do `apt update` first |
| 16:23.40 | BCMM | yokowka: (it probably just hasn't downloaded a list of available packages yet) |
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| 16:24.16 | zerocool | nevermind i just did what makes sense, we'll see |
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| 16:24.42 | jez9999 | My server's just told me it got a 404 for some index files, like: http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/source/Sources |
| 16:24.44 | yokowka | BCMM, yes it looks like that |
| 16:24.47 | jez9999 | have these URLs changed? |
| 16:25.26 | stofflswelt | SerajewelKS, I configured the /etc/network/interfaces file - how can I restart networking from the live DVD? There is no /etc/init.d/... |
| 16:25.33 | BCMM | !jessie |
| 16:25.34 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 16:25.37 | BCMM | jez9999: ^ |
| 16:25.53 | BCMM | jez9999: jessie is obsolete; upgrade to the new Debian Stable |
| 16:26.06 | jez9999 | darn. hate doing an upgrade |
| 16:27.00 | BCMM | jez9999: and if your server is internet-facing, work out whether you need to do anything about the ten months you've been running without security updates... |
| 16:27.17 | yokowka | BCMM, repository cdrom://[Debian GNU/linux .... not has file Release |
| 16:27.39 | BCMM | yokowka: huh, i thought you did a netinstall? |
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| 16:28.11 | yokowka | BCMM, i download netinstal.iso image and run from it... |
| 16:28.35 | BCMM | yokowka: did it sync any other repos? or did it just print errors about the cdrom? |
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| 16:29.11 | yokowka | BCMM, errors most of all |
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| 16:30.24 | BCMM | jez9999: i guess there's this https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
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| 16:47.30 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: It moved to archive.debian.org quite recently. |
| 16:47.44 | jez9999 | looks like my /boot partition is about 90MB |
| 16:47.47 | jez9999 | is that smaller than it should be? |
| 16:48.08 | nkuttler | as long as your kernels fit there.. |
| 16:48.09 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: How much of it is used? |
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| 16:48.19 | jez9999 | 90%. it's causing problems with apt |
| 16:48.20 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: df -h |
| 16:48.49 | nkuttler | oh, 90, that's not much.. |
| 16:49.09 | jez9999 | im guessing resizing it is pretty much impossible |
| 16:49.10 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: I usually recommend that you have one partition plus swap, unless you are experienced enough to know exactly where you will be using space. |
| 16:49.35 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: Easiest way is to do a file backup, re-partition, and restore. |
| 16:49.36 | nkuttler | jez9999: should still fit a few kernels though.. just remove kernels you don't use? or what else do you have in there? du -hs /boot/* |
| 16:49.54 | jez9999 | nkuttler: there are some there i dont use, but apt-get is failing to remove them |
| 16:50.09 | nkuttler | jez9999: what's the error? |
| 16:50.20 | jez9999 | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-7-amd64 |
| 16:50.20 | jez9999 | gzip: stdout: No space left on device |
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| 16:50.27 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: Maybe apt autoremove |
| 16:50.27 | jez9999 | it needs more space to remove the image..... |
| 16:50.37 | nkuttler | jez9999: which command did you run? |
| 16:50.47 | jez9999 | sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 16:51.13 | nkuttler | jez9999: that looks like a meta package, remove specific kernel images |
| 16:52.11 | roylaprattep | so we can remove it from our sources.list? no further update will be made to jessie backports? |
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| 16:58.12 | jez9999 | jhutchins: that's a total reinstall from scratch though isnt it? |
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| 17:04.34 | jez9999 | so I got this when tried to do a dist-upgrade: https://pastebin.com/8FVDKDU1 |
| 17:04.50 | jez9999 | i've freed up space in /boot now, how do i resolve the installation of linux-image-3.16.0-7-amd64? |
| 17:05.01 | greycat | start with dpkg --config -a |
| 17:05.12 | greycat | err, --configure |
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| 17:05.51 | jez9999 | dpkg --configure linux-image-3.16.0-7-amd64 ? |
| 17:05.52 | dpkg | no idea, jez9999 |
| 17:06.44 | jez9999 | "package linux-image-3.16.0-7-amd64 is already installed and configured" |
| 17:06.45 | jez9999 | odd |
| 17:07.26 | weedloser | How does one know when the next linux kernel will land in sid/unstable? |
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| 17:08.43 | jhutchins_wk | weedloser: One follows the kernel.org developer mailing list and the debian packaging/maintainer lists. |
| 17:09.18 | Tenkawa | jez9999: whats the problem? |
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| 17:09.36 | jez9999 | it had given an error for dist-upgrade about no space left on device, which i think was /boot |
| 17:09.44 | jez9999 | but it seems to have installed and configured anyway |
| 17:09.46 | weedloser | jhutchins_wk, Forgot about the mailing list! Thanks! :D |
| 17:10.05 | xVim | Hey, do I understand it right that it is recommended putting scripts etc. inside $HOME/.local/bin? |
| 17:10.13 | Tenkawa | it mightve just not put all of the modules in |
| 17:10.27 | Tenkawa | do a find /lib/modules -type f -size 0 |
| 17:10.38 | Tenkawa | any hits? |
| 17:10.54 | greycat | xVim: only if you're some hipster weirdo. Regular people use ~/bin/ |
| 17:11.23 | jez9999 | Tenkawa: so what do i do to fix it? |
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| 17:11.46 | Tenkawa | jez9999: free up space |
| 17:11.47 | xVim | greycat: I don't care about being a hipster or not, but it seems logical to me that people don't want to clutter their $HOME directory |
| 17:11.51 | Tenkawa | first |
| 17:11.53 | jez9999 | Tenkawa: i did, then what? |
| 17:11.57 | Tenkawa | then... |
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| 17:12.43 | Tenkawa | we need to figure out which kernel packages should be installed by dpkg's recknoning |
| 17:12.51 | sam0t | CrazyLegs_: er du på telefonen? |
| 17:13.35 | Tenkawa | dpkg -l | grep linux-image should be appropriete I think |
| 17:13.35 | dpkg | ii | grep linux-image should be appropriete I think 1.9-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:13.44 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 17:13.47 | Tenkawa | heehee |
| 17:13.49 | xVim | What confuses me about $HOME/.local/bin is that pip installs executables there too (with --user flag), and I might want to keep my own executables separate from the Python ones |
| 17:14.04 | greycat | It's your home directory. Do whatever you want with it. |
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| 17:16.37 | jelly | xVim: if you want to separate python stuff you might as well use a virtualenv |
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| 17:18.32 | xVim | jelly: I usually do that only when I develop code. I can't use them for the final executable or can I?> |
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| 17:18.45 | jmcnaught | the default .profile (from /etc/skel) adds ~/bin to $PATH if it exists |
| 17:18.52 | jez9999 | damn |
| 17:18.55 | jelly | sure you can. |
| 17:18.56 | jez9999 | i think i've killed my server |
| 17:19.01 | jez9999 | rebooted and it wont come back up :'-( |
| 17:19.08 | xVim | Because I always would have to activate the virtualenv before running my executable |
| 17:19.33 | jelly | yes, or you'd make a wrapper |
| 17:20.06 | xVim | You mean like a script that activates the virtualenv automatically before executing my program? |
| 17:20.28 | xVim | Sounds smart, I should probably do that |
| 17:20.48 | xVim | That way I don't get dependency issues |
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| 17:26.12 | temple48 | jez9999: what's your current status? |
| 17:26.21 | xVim | $HOME/.local/bin is not automatically added to $PATH, but somehow scripts in it are executable from anywhere anyway because of systemd, right? (systemd-path user-binaries) |
| 17:26.35 | jez9999 | sending a support ticket to my host |
| 17:26.48 | jez9999 | this is why i hate upgrading debian |
| 17:26.51 | greycat | wut |
| 17:26.59 | jez9999 | the fact that apt can get you into a non-boot situation is bad design |
| 17:27.47 | km0201 | always be prepared when upgrading any OS... Debian isn't alone. |
| 17:27.57 | Tenkawa | jez9999: what km0201 said |
| 17:27.58 | jez9999 | well i have backups |
| 17:28.04 | jez9999 | but it's still a PITA for it to be non-booting |
| 17:28.09 | greycat | Please tell me more of this alleged "systemd-path user-binaries" so that I may destroy it with fire. |
| 17:28.14 | Tenkawa | km0201 beat e to it |
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| 17:28.19 | Tenkawa | er me |
| 17:28.23 | km0201 | lol |
| 17:28.23 | xVim | greycat: Run systemd-path user-binaries in your shell |
| 17:28.39 | greycat | runs "man systemd-path" instead |
| 17:28.47 | nkuttler | jez9999: you have so many kernels, did you try them all? |
| 17:28.49 | xVim | good idea :) |
| 17:29.18 | nkuttler | and why reboot if you get an error while building the initramfs |
| 17:29.19 | jez9999 | nkuttler: i dont have terminal access to the machine |
| 17:29.29 | nkuttler | oh well, next time |
| 17:29.42 | xVim | The funny thing is that $HOME/.local/bin is not inside my $PATH, but it is inside systemds user-binaries path |
| 17:29.49 | km0201 | I've personally never had an issue upgrading Linux (Ubuntu/Debian desktops, Fedora Desktop, Debian server)... but I've ran into train wrecks upgrading MS operating systems.... so I don't think for a second Linux is immune to upgrading issues. |
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| 17:29.59 | jez9999 | i'm meant to have an "IPMI console" whetever that is but it doesnt work |
| 17:30.19 | nkuttler | !ipmi |
| 17:30.19 | dpkg | [ipmi] Intelligent Platform Management Interface. An interface to the Baseboard Management Controller (BMC) is available in the ipmitool package. An interface for servers to interact with IPMI-enabled devices is in the openipmi package. |
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| 17:30.21 | jez9999 | km0201: i dont generally need to upgrade MS operating systems. not half as often as linux, anyway |
| 17:30.27 | greycat | I do not see the string "user-binaries" in systemd-path(1) or in file-hierarchy(7) at all. |
| 17:30.50 | xVim | greycat: Hm, I have, I don't know why. |
| 17:30.50 | greycat | Nor do I know why you wanted me to run this. Nor how you came up with this command. Nor why you think its output is meaningful. |
| 17:31.04 | temple48 | jez9999: did it ever work, or it doesn't work right now after what has been done? |
| 17:31.11 | jez9999 | hasnt worked for ages |
| 17:31.24 | km0201 | jez9999, same here... but saying my experiences w/ MS operating systems is what makes me always be prepared when upgrading... in spite of the fact I don't ever recall a problem upgrading a Linux OS. |
| 17:31.51 | jez9999 | what i mean is, MS dont release a new OS every 10 months and tell you to upgrade or lose support |
| 17:31.56 | jez9999 | it's kind of annoying that Linux does |
| 17:32.00 | temple48 | jez9999: sucks to be in this predicament, I hope your host can get it sorted out for you quickly |
| 17:32.01 | Tenkawa | microsoft os's almost never have an "upgrade" path though |
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| 17:32.14 | km0201 | well, they usually do it about every 4-5yrs now apparently. |
| 17:32.23 | Tenkawa | its always a migratiom |
| 17:32.31 | jez9999 | with windows 10 they probably wont release a new "OS" at all now |
| 17:32.35 | nkuttler | please let's stick to debian support questions in here |
| 17:32.36 | km0201 | true... maybe upgrade was a bad way to put it. |
| 17:33.00 | xVim | greycat: Sorry if I bothered you. To me it is just a bit confusing that systemd seems to have a separate path for user binaries. I came to it via https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/392710 |
| 17:34.23 | greycat | wooledg:~$ man file-hierarchy | grep user-bin |
| 17:34.24 | greycat | <standard input>:547: warning [p 8, 1.7i, div `3tbd4,0', 0.0i]: can't break line |
| 17:34.31 | greycat | and two other errors; no mention of this thing. |
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| 17:36.10 | jelly | jez9999: you upgrade windows systems at least once a month, and going from windows 10 1709 ro windows 10 1803 brings a similar amount of changes to the core OS components that going from Debian 9 to 10 will do |
| 17:36.13 | greycat | The Debian bug (#839155) linked from your random web page claims that this .local/bin thing is supposed to be in /etc/skel. |
| 17:36.46 | jelly | jez9999: and a debian release upgrade usually needs just one, max. two reboots |
| 17:36.51 | jez9999 | jelly: yeah, but it's a "click and upgrade" not a "muck around on the command line with several commands and edit sources.list" |
| 17:36.51 | greycat | So, it's some policy being pushed on Debian by other people, that Debian has not been eagerly obeying. |
| 17:37.29 | xVim | OK, so then I should not use it probably |
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| 17:37.42 | greycat | Use whatever you want. Use BOTH for all we care. |
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| 17:38.01 | jelly | jez9999: that's what happens when you have a couple thousand paid engineers vs a thousand volunteers |
| 17:38.04 | greycat | Make 17 directories and put binaries in directory #(md5sum program % 17). |
| 17:38.42 | greycat | !pal python-pip |
| 17:38.43 | dpkg | points at python-pip and laughs hysterically |
| 17:39.23 | jelly | nothing wrong with pip, just don't run "pip install foo" as root, or without a virtualenv! |
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| 17:41.18 | greycat | Apparently all this .local/bin systemd nonsense is being driven by "I ran pip and it broked because path". |
| 17:41.51 | greycat | Funny how none of them seem to realize "hey wait, maybe pip is the one that's wrong, not every single operating system in the world". |
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| 17:42.58 | jelly | debian softens some of the dumbest upstream choices |
| 17:43.12 | hatchetjack | are there any wheezy repositories around anymore? |
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| 17:43.51 | nkuttler | !tell hatchetjack about archive |
| 17:43.58 | jelly | hatchetjack: old releases are moved to archive.debian.org if that's what you're asking |
| 17:44.16 | xVim | I have a mess with programs install everywhere, inside /opt, /usr/local/bin, /$HOME/bin, /$HOME/.local/bin and more. Now I am cleaning up and want to do it right, that is why I was asking |
| 17:44.28 | jelly | !elts |
| 17:44.28 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ |
| 17:44.39 | jelly | hatchetjack: or ^ if you asked something else |
| 17:45.08 | hatchetjack | jelly: ah I forgot about archive.debian.org |
| 17:45.11 | hatchetjack | thanks for reminding me |
| 17:45.11 | xVim | And I got my answer, just use any directories inside $HOME that I want for user-specific stuff, so I am fine. I just forget about this .local/bin stuff |
| 17:45.20 | jelly | if you pay freexian they will gladly support your subset of wheezy packages |
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| 17:46.29 | hatchetjack | does archive.debian.org have mips packages? |
| 17:46.56 | hatchetjack | nevermind I found it |
| 17:46.57 | hatchetjack | thanks guys |
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| 17:50.03 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: You may be coming across some of the pre-linux legacy standards, when *nix systems were primarily multi-user, and allowed users to install software for their own use without affecting user-wide system components. |
| 17:50.24 | jez9999 | jhutchins_wk: huh? |
| 17:50.50 | xVim | I think he meant me |
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| 17:51.21 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: Installing your software in $HOME rather than /usr/local/bin |
| 17:51.41 | jez9999 | i dont understand what you're referring to |
| 17:52.10 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: Actually, I'm mixing up your thread vs xVim |
| 17:52.32 | jelly | !tea jhutchins_wk |
| 17:52.32 | dpkg | hands jhutchins_wk a nice lukewarm glass of mint tea. |
| 17:53.03 | xVim | jhutchins_wk: Yes, I understand that somme software should be installed to /usr/local/bin so that multiple user can access it |
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| 17:54.55 | xVim | It is just a bit complicated because there are so many different directories where software can be installed at. That can be a bit confusing. But I think I understood enough of it to make better decision for the next programs I install |
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| 17:56.38 | greycat | It was actually really simple until the systemd/XDG wankers got the idea that they could push their agenda down people's throats. If you configured something as root, it went into /usr/local/bin. If you configured it as a user, you can't write there, so you did whatever you want, and that was usually --prefix=$HOME which put the executables in ~/bin. |
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| 17:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | We have a lot of legacy systems where the code was "forklifted" from Solaris systems where it was pretty much anything goes. Shared binaries running off of NFS, fun things like that. |
| 17:58.35 | greycat | Yes, perfectly normal. |
| 17:58.38 | e | ln -s . .local # everything is fixed |
| 17:59.50 | greycat | You didn't want to install all versions of gcc on every workstation, so you just install them on the NFS server in a directory that gets mounted on all the Solaris7 or HP-UX10 systems. |
| 18:00.38 | jelly | !fix e |
| 18:00.38 | dpkg | takes e to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 18:01.03 | greycat | It's the polar opposite of /usr/local. /usr/local is local to this one machine. The shared directory, whatever you call it, is mounted onto *all* machines of a specific platform. |
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| 18:28.14 | |aaron | Hey all, I'm confused about the recent move of some jessie packages from the main mirrors to archive. It looks like jessie-updates is just gone, am I correct in assuming that repo is no longer needed? |
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| 18:29.45 | |aaron | Since jessie is LTS the only package updates will be on security.debian.org right? |
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| 18:43.54 | jelly | |aaron: right |
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| 18:44.14 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 18:44.14 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:44.29 | jelly | okay, that needs some updating |
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| 18:54.48 | |aaron | jelly: ty! |
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| 18:55.53 | DoomPatrol | stupid question, (really sorry for asking but ... $work ...) |
| 18:56.04 | DoomPatrol | have the wheezy repo's been turned down/off? |
| 18:56.27 | Tenkawa | thats up to each site |
| 18:56.46 | DoomPatrol | oic, hrm |
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| 18:57.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell DoomPatrol about archive |
| 18:57.44 | Tenkawa | i dont know what the "official" stance is but they are individual mirror sites after all |
| 18:58.06 | DoomPatrol | jelly: awesome ty vm |
| 18:58.07 | Tenkawa | thats a better answer |
| 18:58.19 | jelly | Tenkawa: official mirrors use a script that does rsync --delete |
| 18:58.50 | Tenkawa | jelly: yeah pending they can be reached.... |
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| 18:59.19 | jelly | if an upstream mirror can't be reached your mirror gets outdated quickly |
| 18:59.26 | Tenkawa | yep |
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| 18:59.42 | jelly | and gets thrown out of the list |
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| 19:00.07 | jelly | and apt complains loudly after it's 14+ days old |
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| 19:00.22 | jelly | (not sure if apt from wheezy does) |
| 19:00.34 | Tenkawa | good |
| 19:01.03 | Tenkawa | I wouldnt know.. I'm so picky i dont think my repo gets 4 days out of date |
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| 19:10.58 | |aaron | anyone here familiar with the mirror ftpsync script? im trying to figure out how to pull down just specific releases |
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| 19:22.13 | jcb2016 | can i boot a live usb of debian that is missing firmware. find the tarball with the firmware on another usb extract the tarball/firmware and modprobe it so i can get the firmware working? is this possible? |
| 19:22.31 | jcb2016 | im looking at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 19:23.19 | ksk | yeah that should work somehow. gettin the unofficial installer with all nonfree firmware included saves you from trying it though.. |
| 19:24.50 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.19 | jcb2016 | don't want the installer i want to boot a live dvd/usb that wifi isn't working extract the missing firmware to the computer and mobdprobe it to get wifi working. can i do that? |
| 19:26.10 | Tenkawa | sure |
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| 19:26.23 | Tenkawa | thats what live usbs are for |
| 19:26.39 | Tenkawa | but you need to stage it if its a non-free driver |
| 19:26.58 | jcb2016 | ok cool. oh i have another question. if i boot to a live usb with debian installed can i browse the usb drive while booted to it? |
| 19:27.02 | Tenkawa | put the package on the usb stick |
| 19:27.50 | |aaron | https://www.debian.org/mirror/size just includes the live repos right? not archives? is there a similar page for the archives? |
| 19:28.38 | Tenkawa | anyone feel free to correct me here but basicly you'd be running a self contained usb based installed |
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| 19:29.33 | jcb2016 | Tenkawa, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.8.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.8.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso <-- |
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| 19:30.18 | Tenkawa | yes you'd need to take that + somthing like rufus and write it to usb |
| 19:30.18 | jcb2016 | the firmware should be included on the usb when booted. just want to know can i browse the usb when its booted up so i can extract the firmware. |
| 19:30.25 | Tenkawa | add it to the usb |
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| 19:31.25 | Tenkawa | yes |
| 19:31.38 | Tenkawa | if you use a tool like rufus |
| 19:31.44 | Tenkawa | you can write to it |
| 19:31.51 | jcb2016 | tekk, ok so after i burn with rufus add the firmware on it then boot then i should be able to browse? |
| 19:32.00 | jcb2016 | Tenkawa* |
| 19:32.41 | Tenkawa | after you boot it wont know the difference.. its harder in windows |
| 19:32.42 | jcb2016 | how do i brose the usb Tenkawa when its booted? is it a /dev/loop0 or do i have to remount or something? |
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| 19:33.10 | Tenkawa | you "will" be in it |
| 19:33.28 | jcb2016 | ok |
| 19:33.49 | Tenkawa | thats why its live and you have to stage it before you boot to it |
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| 19:34.33 | jcb2016 | how do you stage? |
| 19:35.06 | Tenkawa | add the firmware to /lib/firmware |
| 19:36.11 | jcb2016 | so as root go to /lib/firmware and untar it there? |
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| 19:36.39 | Tenkawa | tar -tvf first and check its structure |
| 19:37.10 | Tenkawa | it might already have the whole structure or it might even only be source files |
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| 19:37.57 | jcb2016 | i already know wwhat firmwware to get iwlwifi |
| 19:38.26 | Tenkawa | but what file are you looking at though? |
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| 19:39.31 | jcb2016 | what do you mean? when i ran the installer once it said i was missing iwlwifi something |
| 19:39.43 | Tenkawa | the best way is to grab the .deb and install it with dpkg |
| 19:39.48 | Tenkawa | right |
| 19:40.02 | Tenkawa | so you need to get that package |
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| 19:40.20 | Tenkawa | thats not a "file" |
| 19:40.20 | jcb2016 | there is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/stretch/current/firmware.zip it has .deb files in it there is one for iwlwifi |
| 19:40.32 | jelly | jcb2016: presumably you don't have to browse anything other than /lib/firmware after live is booted, because the firmware has to be there to work at all |
| 19:41.09 | jcb2016 | ok |
| 19:41.15 | jelly | is your goal to boot liveusb, or to install things, or what? |
| 19:41.59 | jcb2016 | jelly, i just want to boot the liveusb and have internet and browse and install etc.. just to do it i want to try debian on real hardware and not just virtualbox. virtualbox got me handy capped |
| 19:42.06 | jcb2016 | thanks Tenkawa |
| 19:43.28 | jelly | then go and use that unofficial live image with firmware |
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| 19:45.58 | jcb2016 | jelly, last time i did that i booted the nonfree liveusb and nothing happend. i ran the installer and it worked looking for my firmware and connecting to wifi but it wanted to install debian. i don't want to install debian i just want to boot liveusb get wifi working and play around |
| 19:46.26 | jcb2016 | i will intsall debian when i get a real computer in the near future |
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| 19:47.23 | jelly | if the image for debian 9 did not work, and you're sure you've written it to usb correctly, try a live image for testing then |
| 19:47.32 | jcb2016 | ok |
| 19:47.46 | jelly | rufus and unetbootin make a mess out of debian's images |
| 19:48.14 | jelly | you want to write the thing directly to whole-usb-stick-device |
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| 19:48.57 | jcb2016 | im looking at https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ i see buster there but there are many options |
| 19:49.43 | jelly | pick a weekly live and hope it works :-) |
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| 19:51.14 | jcb2016 | ok thanks jelly |
| 19:53.17 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 19:53.17 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:53.31 | jelly | in case it works, you can ask further questions there |
| 19:54.05 | jcb2016 | ok |
| 19:54.11 | jelly | or ask them here anyway, buster is in freeze and we might as well start answering uestions about it in the main channel |
| 19:54.33 | jcb2016 | jelly, if you don't like rufus or unetbootin what should i use in windows to burn the iso to usb? |
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| 19:54.42 | greycat | Yeah, it's been a general trend over the last few years that after a freeze, next-release questions start becoming gradually more accepted in #debian. |
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| 19:55.10 | greycat | Perhaps partly or mostly because people in #debian actually start *using* next-release around then. |
| 19:55.34 | jelly | !win32diskimager |
| 19:55.34 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 19:55.40 | jelly | jcb2016: that thing I think |
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| 19:56.11 | jcb2016 | thanks |
| 19:56.24 | jelly | I have no idea if it still works on win10 |
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| 19:58.19 | jcb2016 | it works i used it the other day |
| 19:59.12 | Tenkawa | jelly: rufus has never went wrong for me once |
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| 20:01.17 | jhutchins_wk | The fact that something has not broken for one person is not evidence of it's reliability. |
| 20:01.36 | Tenkawa | or the opposite |
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| 20:02.12 | Tenkawa | wheres the data? |
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| 20:04.13 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: It's not really reversible, the fact that it does break in some circumstances and/or for some people is evidence of unreliability. Zero breakage in wide use indicates reliability. |
| 20:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: Data regarding rufus is annectdotal among Debian support people. |
| 20:05.23 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: We consistently see good results with win32diskimager so that's what we recommend. |
| 20:06.11 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: There are certain common errors people get with unetbootin so we don't recommend that. (Personally, I haven't ruled out user error on that, but if it's easy to make mistakes maybe it's a poor tool.) |
| 20:06.12 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.21 | Tenkawa | I'm done speaking |
| 20:06.33 | jcb2016 | thanks jelly Tenkawa |
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| 20:24.52 | aarwine | Does anyone know anything about a jessie-updates repo outage? |
| 20:24.59 | aarwine | s/outage/issue/ |
| 20:25.33 | greycat | It no longer exists. |
| 20:25.33 | jelly | !jessie-updates |
| 20:25.34 | dpkg | jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17. |
| 20:26.05 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 20:26.05 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:26.12 | jelly | aarwine: just comment it out |
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| 20:26.59 | jelly | this could have been done better by ftp people, but... eh |
| 20:28.28 | aarwine | are the updates merged into mainline jessie repo? where can I read more for future? |
| 20:28.37 | aarwine | greycat: jelly: thanks :) |
| 20:28.58 | greycat | 16:25 dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. |
| 20:29.33 | aarwine | ok, that makes sense |
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| 20:56.56 | aidansw | I was wondering, can I install a .deb to a removable drive? |
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| 20:57.43 | greycat | does your removable drive have an installation of Debian on it? |
| 20:58.12 | aidansw | haha |
| 20:58.24 | greycat | so that's a "no"? |
| 20:58.34 | aidansw | yeah, I see your point |
| 20:58.49 | greycat | if it's just a disk and not a Debian then you can't "install" a Debian package on it, but you could extract the files out of one |
| 20:59.12 | greycat | using dpkg -x, for example |
| 20:59.23 | aidansw | Thanks I will have to see |
| 20:59.44 | aidansw | As I am running a pc with 16 gb internal storage |
| 20:59.54 | aidansw | but 32gb microsd |
| 21:00.03 | jelly | ouch |
| 21:00.26 | aidansw | yeah, this is what I get for fixing a chromebook |
| 21:00.32 | aidansw | instead of just buying a laptop |
| 21:01.01 | jelly | hopefully there's a sane filesystem type made just for flash, on that, not something like ext4 |
| 21:01.54 | jelly | because putting ext4 on cheap tiny flash and exercising it can make the flash die quickly |
| 21:02.19 | aidansw | I'll keep that in mind |
| 21:02.58 | aidansw | are you suggesting ntfs instead? |
| 21:03.01 | tonyk | is there any filesystem good for flash? |
| 21:03.18 | jelly | I'm suggesting investigating carefully |
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| 21:04.28 | jelly | tonyk: yes but I don't remember which ones are both stable and still supported upstream and also available in debian |
| 21:04.50 | jelly | eg. I'm pretty sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAFFS#YAFFS2 is not maintained any more |
| 21:05.03 | aidansw | xFAT seems to be pretty good |
| 21:05.17 | aidansw | exFAT* |
| 21:05.24 | tonyk | whats that samsung one? |
| 21:05.26 | aidansw | as that is what Android uses for sd cards |
| 21:05.33 | jelly | *fat does not have unix permissions and ownerships |
| 21:05.56 | aidansw | oh |
| 21:06.05 | jelly | (or symlinks, or probably hardlinks) |
| 21:06.21 | tonyk | F2FS, it was supposed to be for the linux kernel |
| 21:06.29 | jelly | right |
| 21:06.41 | aidansw | I don't see the issue with ext4, it is used for mobile device sd cards |
| 21:06.51 | aidansw | which I'd presume would be throughly researched |
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| 21:07.50 | jelly | using it for a couple hundred large media files and a dozen config files is somewhat differnet from running a linux distro |
| 21:08.12 | aidansw | I know |
| 21:08.18 | aidansw | I am not running the distro on it |
| 21:08.34 | aidansw | I am running the distro on crouton on top of chromeos |
| 21:08.43 | aidansw | the sd is just for files |
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| 21:22.01 | aidansw | I just encourted a bizarre issue, although it may be with xfce4 |
| 21:22.17 | aidansw | but I can't type and move mouse at the same time.. |
| 21:22.22 | k-man | can we talk about oldstable here? |
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| 21:23.14 | SerajewelKS | k-man: yeah. though not many people run it anymore so you may not get much response. |
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| 21:23.33 | jelly | SerajewelKS: not many people _talk_ about it. |
| 21:24.18 | jelly | grep Debian.8 /etc/ansible/hosts|wc -l ... 65 |
| 21:24.59 | jelly | but let me make a guess |
| 21:25.02 | jelly | !jessie-updates |
| 21:25.03 | dpkg | jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17. |
| 21:25.07 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:25.07 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 21:28.25 | justinasvd | Morning, guys. |
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| 21:29.03 | justinasvd | I am running Gnome on current Debian testing. I am surprised that my Gnome runs on X11. I would have expected it to run on Wayland. |
| 21:29.20 | justinasvd | What's the problem? |
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| 21:30.07 | BCMM | justinasvd: does the default perhaps depend on the graphics driver used? |
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| 21:30.18 | tonyk | there should be an option when logging in to run it on wayland |
| 21:30.35 | justinasvd | I am using Intel drivers. Should be good in that regard. |
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| 21:31.03 | justinasvd | The newest Gnome on Buster no longer has Wayland option. Default is Wayland. |
| 21:31.15 | tonyk | oh then idk |
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| 21:31.20 | justinasvd | You have to specifically choose X11 there. |
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| 21:35.59 | k-man | thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 21:36.40 | k-man | after old-stable repositories were moved to archive.debian.org, i updated my sources.list but I get this now: E: Release file for http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 35d 0h 35min 0s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 21:37.54 | jelly | !valid-until |
| 21:37.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, valid-until is apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false ... |
| 21:38.18 | jelly | k-man: ^ if you really need to keep that repo enabled |
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| 21:58.32 | k-man | thanks jelly |
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| 22:07.18 | aidansw | I have an issue with xinput settings that arises everytime I boot, and I can't change the defaults. Would my best option just write a script to run on boot? |
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| 22:18.06 | jcb2016 | jelly, i booted up with buster and wifi worked automatically. why does a liveusb of buster have wifi work out of the box and stretch dosen't? |
| 22:19.12 | jelly | jcb2016: "why are there bugs in software?" |
| 22:19.29 | shibboleth | and? |
| 22:19.36 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 22:19.38 | shibboleth | stretch is older? |
| 22:19.40 | jcb2016 | jelly, don't know.. i just know software has bugs and the devs need to fix them. |
| 22:19.42 | shibboleth | older kernel? |
| 22:19.52 | shibboleth | device support? |
| 22:20.04 | shibboleth | "causality"? |
| 22:21.47 | jcb2016 | i need to read up on the diff from stable and testing. testing seems to have what i need |
| 22:23.18 | jcb2016 | shibboleth, is that it? stretch is older. i thought older was newer since it is stable |
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| 22:29.11 | jcb2016 | well im excited :D |
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| 22:31.42 | jcb2016 | found a good guide on stable/testing https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
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| 22:45.25 | shibboleth | "this is why we can't have nice things" |
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| 22:49.46 | jcb2016 | shibboleth, how come? |
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| 22:57.11 | lilalaune | hi. i'm trying to unlock an encrypted partition the following command udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sda1 ..it asks me for a passphrase, which i enter. then i get this error message: No key available with this passphrase ..i'm sure the password is correct. (it should be the same i use when booting from that drive, right?) |
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| 23:15.07 | ryouma | getting repeated errors for apt-get update yesterday and today. this occurs with both https: and tor+http:. "Err http://ftp.us.debian.org jessie-updates/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: ... 80]" |
| 23:15.21 | ryouma | (that is only one example) |
| 23:15.27 | KNERD | ryouma:you have to change them |
| 23:15.32 | ryouma | e.g. W: Failed to fetch tor+http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian/dists/jessie-backports/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages HttpError404 |
| 23:15.35 | KNERD | Debian 8 Jssie is EOL |
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| 23:15.46 | ryouma | not until 2020 i thought |
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| 23:15.58 | KNERD | well, they repos are getting pulled |
| 23:16.12 | ryouma | O.o as of ...? |
| 23:16.14 | KNERD | you probably have to use the debian one |
| 23:16.28 | KNERD | I dont know, I noticed it today also |
| 23:16.41 | ryouma | "i386, amd64, armel and armhf from 17th June 2018 to June 30, 2020 --- [[https://wiki.debian.org/LTS][LTS - Debian Wiki]]" |
| 23:16.48 | KNERD | So I went ahead and did the distro upgrade |
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| 23:16.57 | ryouma | hum |
| 23:17.11 | ryouma | what do you mean by the debian one |
| 23:17.15 | KNERD | Well just because they say that don't mean they will support the mirrors |
| 23:17.28 | KNERD | I mean the debian repo |
| 23:17.29 | ryouma | sounds pointless if the mirrors are not running |
| 23:17.47 | ryouma | i thought the tor+htts: one was the debian repo? |
| 23:17.50 | KNERD | they are running |
| 23:17.59 | KNERD | just don't have Jessie on them anymore |
| 23:18.21 | ryouma | but isn't lts pointless if there are no repos for that version? |
| 23:18.42 | KNERD | I just said the Debian one shoul dbe up |
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| 23:19.13 | ryouma | i am unclear on what you mean, specificically, by the debian one. not sure what that noun phrase refers to in this case. |
| 23:19.15 | KNERD | i just dont know the URL off my dead |
| 23:19.43 | k-man | i'm trying to get a backtrace of something that's crashing. in gdb I see a message like: 56../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/raise.c: No such file or directory. |
| 23:19.56 | k-man | will that hinder getting a proper backgrace? |
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| 23:21.10 | KNERD | ryouma: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 23:21.34 | KNERD | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian8.11/ |
| 23:23.00 | KNERD | Just change the URL to the Debian one |
| 23:24.46 | ryouma | i believe i have debian in all of my lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. here 'tis: https://termbin.com/1cu2 |
| 23:25.08 | ryouma | do you mean the subdir? |
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| 23:28.17 | KNERD | Well, if gdb is crashing, then of course |
| 23:28.37 | KNERD | ryouma: I did say URL |
| 23:29.08 | ryouma | is that a yes? |
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| 23:29.23 | ryouma | that would not work for the onion addresses |
| 23:29.24 | KNERD | i said URL, *NOT8 subdirectory |
| 23:29.30 | ryouma | ok i am confused |
| 23:29.41 | KNERD | okay |
| 23:30.24 | ryouma | you said url. therefore what? |
| 23:30.41 | KNERD | what is hard aboit change the URL of https://termbin.com/1cu2 to http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
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| 23:31.36 | KNERD | actually ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 23:31.37 | ryouma | we aren't communicating clearly, if you think that i understand you. |
| 23:31.47 | ryouma | that is what i have! |
| 23:31.57 | KNERD | you posted something else |
| 23:32.00 | ryouma | why do i feel like costello? |
| 23:32.19 | ryouma | i posted a termbin. you click it to get the contents of my sources.list |
| 23:32.22 | KNERD | ---> <ryouma> i believe i have debian in all of my lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. here 'tis: https://termbin.com/1cu2 |
| 23:32.37 | ryouma | that is not the url that apt-get fetches... |
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| 23:33.50 | KNERD | then maybe they pulled thm all down |
| 23:33.57 | KNERD | I dont know |
| 23:34.24 | ryouma | ok, so. my original query stands. |
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| 23:37.20 | ryouma | perhaps i am the only person in the world running jessie, and lts is serving only me? :) |
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| 23:37.52 | KNERD | ryouma: no |
| 23:38.16 | KNERD | as I mentioned I was getting it from a machine I got here |
| 23:38.34 | KNERD | I told you I went ahead and just upgraded to Strecth |
| 23:38.57 | KNERD | i got a laptop with a different URL for the repo, and it is also getting 404s |
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