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| 00:08.36 | Guest57775 | kreyren: what deps don't you want? |
| 00:08.48 | jmcnaught | kreyren: I don't know about snap, but there's a flatpak for steam |
| 00:09.45 | kreyren | flatpak might work, ty |
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| 00:38.27 | UnRealLab | Is there a better channel than this to ask about directory structure changes in the mirrors? I have a site local mirror of debian that I use to netboot and netinstall systems, and the kernels and initrds disappeared recently for stretch. |
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| 00:57.21 | EdePopede | UnRealLab: irc.oftc.net has them all |
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| 01:43.59 | |aaron | Can someone help me out with the correct syntax to add check-vaid-until=false into an apt .list file? I'm trying stuff like "deb check-valid-until=false http://my-local-mirror jessie-backports main" but i just keep getting syntax / uri errors |
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| 01:45.07 | |aaron | ok okay the brackets are actually required lol, not just a syntax hint |
| 01:46.35 | |aaron | bah its just ignoring the option now, still trying to check InRelease for the last update date |
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| 01:48.32 | |aaron | "deb [ check-valid-until=no ] .... " sure seems like it should work based on the man page? |
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| 01:50.53 | |aaron | Oh I see, jessie's apt doesnt support that option for individual entries |
| 01:50.59 | |aaron | I guess I have to set it globally then. Lame. |
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| 02:06.46 | rwp | Is there an official notice about end of the jessie-updates/main suite? I know it is time for it to be in LTS mode. But I couldn't find any official notice of the EOF for jessie-updates (aka the old volatile). |
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| 02:08.14 | KNERD | rwp: sort of |
| 02:08.47 | rwp | KNERD, Go on... |
| 02:08.51 | KNERD | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html |
| 02:09.33 | rwp | So Jessie is already in archive.debian.org now? |
| 02:09.53 | KNERD | The topic also says the same thing |
| 02:10.21 | KNERD | just type in /topic |
| 02:10.34 | rwp | I hadn't noticed it in the topic. But with your prompting I do see it there now. |
| 02:10.56 | rwp | I have been off on travel the last two weeks and saw that it happened but didn't have time to research it. |
| 02:11.05 | rwp | Now that I am back I decided to look into it a little more closely. |
| 02:11.31 | moth_ | Semenium is supplied with no guarantees of its usability for any purpose whatsoever, neither express nor implied. |
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| 02:13.24 | rwp | It does seem that things have happened without clear communication about it. |
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| 02:14.17 | KNERD | yes, I would agree |
| 02:15.49 | rwp | Thank you KNERD for the information. I appreciate it. |
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| 02:17.19 | KNERD | Sure, anytime |
| 02:17.45 | KNERD | I was caught off guard also. I was going a fresh install a couple of days ago and all of a sudden I am settign about repo not available |
| 02:18.24 | KNERD | Some developers stil not supporting Debain 9 yet |
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| 02:20.48 | rwp | KNERD, Oh! Looks like there is also #debian-lts (on OFTC) that I should pay attention to for these things. |
| 02:21.49 | rwp | I have a client that is still running a Jessie web server in production. They aren't quite ready to make the PHP change to 7 yet. |
| 02:22.16 | KNERD | well, they got until June next year |
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| 02:22.40 | rwp | That is the way it looks on the schedule. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Jessie |
| 02:23.05 | KNERD | With all these peopl estill stuck on 8, I wonder if they should offer Enterprise LTS until 20XX for a fee |
| 02:23.30 | rwp | My client folks are aware of the issue and are planning on making the migration. It's just a matter of time until it happens. |
| 02:23.52 | rwp | Well, for commercial support there is https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended |
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| 02:24.03 | KNERD | i made two upgrades this week on servers. Quite harmless |
| 02:24.28 | KNERD | oh nice. Did not know that excisted |
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| 02:25.12 | rwp | I have upgraded my own systems and things have mostly gone pretty well. However phpmyadmin failed the upgrade on the most recent one. |
| 02:25.39 | rwp | I didn't investigate root root cause. I simply purged phpmyadmin and then continued the upgrade. Everything else upgraded okay. |
| 02:25.43 | KNERD | Acutally I did have a latop I aldo upgraded. It was a bit of a pain. I have to remove all of the i386 packages off of it |
| 02:26.13 | rwp | However on the previous upgrade I ran into local options turning on the mysql slow query log and the options have changed. *THAT* caused that mysql upgrade to fail. |
| 02:26.36 | KNERD | ouch |
| 02:26.38 | rwp | So now it is on my list to remove all local database config before the upgrade and restore it as appropriate afterward. |
| 02:27.02 | rwp | And doing that the next mysql upgrade to mariadb went without a problem. Except that one had the phpmyadmin failure for some reason. |
| 02:27.25 | KNERD | Yeah it seems the upgrades are getting shorter. At least it is not Fedora with upgrades every 6 months |
| 02:27.50 | rwp | Regarding your comment... I have stayed away from the multi-arch so do not know what issues lurk there. |
| 02:28.26 | rwp | Every two years is a good upgrade cycle. Long enough that it isn't happening every other day. Short enough that you remember how it is supposed to be done. Feels like a good cycle to me. |
| 02:28.55 | KNERD | I think CentOS 5 was arounf for 10 years |
| 02:29.11 | |aaron | So wait jessie/main is getting moved to archives too? Its still on ftp.us.debian.org atm? |
| 02:29.15 | rwp | Every six months is like moving from one unfinished house every six months to another unfinished house. |
| 02:29.25 | KNERD | lol..yeha it is |
| 02:29.40 | moth_ | yee-haw jiba jiba |
| 02:30.26 | rwp | The 10 year plan is interesting but you know that anyone that is forced to upgrade at the end of 10 years is just going to have to install a fresh system and then do a full new development upon it. People on that decade long upgrade cycle have no interest in upgrading. |
| 02:31.13 | KNERD | yeah, that is why CentOS gave up on those system updates. It was just breaking everything |
| 02:31.26 | KNERD | I see CentOS 7 will be around for 10 years also |
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| 02:32.30 | rwp | CentOS mirrors the RHEL release cycle. Red Hat offers the 10 year cycle to their customers. |
| 02:32.53 | rwp | On Jessie LTS here is the list of official suites. I should have looked there first. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
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| 02:34.27 | |aaron | rwp: Thank you for posting that, so jessie main *is* going to remain in the primary repo. Channel title is misleading... |
| 02:35.26 | rwp | Actually I think RHEL/CentOS is now just starting to support upgrades. I saw that recently I am sure. But previously they never did. |
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| 02:36.19 | rwp | |aaron, JFTR *I* haven't been paying attention so *I* do not know. But typically it would remain in the main repository for the duration of the LTS lifecycle. That is how it has worked before. |
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| 02:36.51 | KNERD | I do wonder if I would get sued for this https://imgur.com/a/9ChPcmj |
| 02:37.50 | |aaron | rwp: Yeah thats what your link seems to say, and what someone told me in this channel a day or two ago, and its still there currently whereas updates and backports is gone, so I think you're right |
| 02:38.14 | |aaron | I think the channel title is just wrong |
| 02:39.25 | |aaron | Or misleading I guess. Its now "jessie-lts" but the sources.list name hasnt changed |
| 02:39.37 | rwp | I think khaki hat linux would be dancing with the devil on that one. (BTW... I saw a pub named Red Hat just this week!) |
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| 02:40.49 | KNERD | I think that pub is okay, because there is something called the "Red Hat Society" |
| 02:41.08 | rwp | The Ladies Red Hat Society. Yes. A fun group! |
| 02:41.33 | rwp | One of the reasons I am here talking is that I haven't been paying attention. I appreciate the community helping to look out for each other here. :-) |
| 02:41.45 | KNERD | yes, mostly single Cougars |
| 02:42.00 | KNERD | any time |
| 02:43.09 | rwp | Actually around here the ladies group I have seen out have all been quite grey haired elderly women out for the social chat. |
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| 02:44.07 | melissa666 | is there any way to emulate a mouse scroll wheel using keyboard? what if I wanted to map numpad +/- to "scroll wheel up/down" respectively? |
| 02:44.07 | KNERD | yeah, they tend to be |
| 02:44.16 | KNERD | what was that Red Hat publication about? |
| 02:44.45 | melissa666 | i have a javascript widget that requires scroll wheel to zoom and need to simulate mouse scroll |
| 02:45.07 | rwp | KNERD, https://www.redhatsociety.com/ |
| 02:45.35 | KNERD | Oh, a publication from them? |
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| 02:45.43 | rwp | Publication? |
| 02:46.02 | |aaron | Anyone know if there is a standard timeline for when LTS releases get archived from the main repo? Do I need to subscribe to the mailing list or something? |
| 02:46.13 | rwp | Oh, "pub"! A public house. A bar. A nightclub. |
| 02:46.35 | rwp | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pub |
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| 02:48.06 | rwp | melissa666, What type of keyboard are you using? Is there a trackpoint? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick |
| 02:49.16 | rwp | melissa666, If a trackpoint is present then the default driver scroll action is to press and hold the middle button and then move the trackpoint up and down for scroll action. |
| 02:51.23 | rwp | melissa666, Also I always load VimFx and Vimium plugins to Firefox and Chromium and they allow the h,j,k,l (vi/less/rogue motion) keys to be used for scrolling. |
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| 02:55.22 | rwp | Re jessie-updates: I found this thread informative: https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2019/03/msg00117.html |
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| 02:56.34 | rwp | This says that removing it as opposed to emptying it was a mistake and that it might come back to avoid the need for everyone using Jessie LTS to modify their sources.list file. https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2019/03/msg00136.html |
| 02:56.54 | |aaron | rwp: Thanks for that. The timing just seems so random. I guesss Debian sysadmins need to be subscribed to that mailing list? |
| 02:57.27 | rwp | Probably monitoring it would be a good idea. I was subscribed but it wasn't one I have had time to read lately. |
| 02:58.02 | |aaron | I know I for one definitely dont get enough emails as it is :) lol |
| 02:58.42 | |aaron | I hope they do go with the plan in your second link, although that wont help with backports |
| 02:59.39 | rwp | Backports has always been a little special. |
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| 03:03.57 | rwp | Here is another thread discussing it. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/03/msg00765.html |
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| 03:05.28 | awal1 | looks like , officially, 5gh band is not supported at all, eh? |
| 03:05.38 | awal1 | i mean by linux |
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| 03:07.25 | rwp | awal1, To what are you referring to? I am using 5GHz WiFi from my laptop right now. Works fine. |
| 03:09.39 | awal1 | rwp, i have 2 usb wifi adapters , not supported (mediatek and d-link) |
| 03:09.53 | rwp | Bummer! |
| 03:10.00 | awal1 | heh? |
| 03:10.21 | rwp | That isn't a 5 GHz problem though. Wouldn't that just be a non-supported hardware problem? |
| 03:11.24 | awal1 | well, you right, not 5gh issue; i havent found until now a hardware supported |
| 03:11.46 | awal1 | what is your 5gh hardware? |
| 03:12.58 | rwp | My Thinkpad X220 comes with Intel WiFi onboard supporting both 2.4 and 5 GHz. |
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| 03:13.45 | rwp | The iwlwifi driver supports it. |
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| 03:14.19 | awal1 | me i need rtl8812AU but linux doesn't support it |
| 03:14.29 | future28 | Hi all, my system keeps crashing. It freezes, and if I am playing a video/music at the time of crash, the audio buffer is repeating a 1-second chunk. Syslog shows nul bytes written but no relevant information |
| 03:14.43 | future28 | Does anyone have ideas on what to do to diagnose? |
| 03:14.44 | awal1 | officially i mean, there is something buggy pkged for ubuntu |
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| 03:15.52 | rwp | future28, Anything being logged to the system log? /var/log/syslog |
| 03:16.04 | awal1 | rwp, which chipset is exactly? |
| 03:16.13 | future28 | rwp: No, just nul bytes where space was allocated but nothing yet flushed |
| 03:16.52 | future28 | rwp: Previous entry is dhclient complaining about no working leases in persitent db but I doubt this is related |
| 03:18.10 | rwp | awal1, lspci says: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34), Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN |
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| 03:19.13 | rwp | It used to be that mcelog would show machine check exceptions. There now a new package for doing that. Anyone remember the name to suggest to future28? |
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| 03:19.25 | awal1 | rwp, thanks I will investigate it |
| 03:19.45 | awal1 | it works fine? stable i mean? |
| 03:19.53 | rwp | awal1, Are you looking for a laptop with working wifi? Or a USB WiFi dongle? |
| 03:20.20 | awal1 | rwp, right now usb dongle |
| 03:20.35 | rwp | future28, Is this a laptop? I often find that laptops get hot and then overheat. Is it getting too hot by any chance? |
| 03:21.01 | future28 | rwp: I have sensors on my i3bar - the last freeze happened at around 47 degrees C, so no, I think it's unlikely to be a thermal issue |
| 03:21.14 | rwp | I always liked Jacob's parts for Linux compatible WiFi dongles. But it looks like they only have the one 2.4GHz model at this moment. https://www.jacobsparts.com/items/WIFI-07-BLK |
| 03:21.51 | future28 | rwp: It's a gen3 X1 carbon thinkpad though, if that means anything. It could be hardware, but a memtest came back with nothing. Some days it can run all day without freezing, today it has gone 5 times... |
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| 03:22.05 | awal1 | i have a 2.4 one and works fine via non-free, but 5gh no |
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| 03:23.00 | rwp | A while back while setting up an access point using hostapd I bought 4x different models of USB WiFi dongles off of eBay. Of those four only two of them had a free software driver available and I could use them. The other two I couldn't use and had to throw them into the drawer for maybe later. It's just take a chance some times. |
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| 03:23.51 | rwp | A friend has an X1 carbon and likes it and hasn't mentioned any problems with freezing. However I think his might be a gen2 model. Not sure. |
| 03:24.10 | awal1 | i will check your chipset; i may just replace my wifi card with one coming with that chipset |
| 03:24.11 | rwp | I am sorry but I don't really have ideas. What suite are you running? Often it is good to test with different kernels. |
| 03:24.25 | awal1 | i run sid |
| 03:25.06 | future28 | rwp: Thanks all the same. I have had it for ~6 years running Debian and no real issues until now. I am using 4.19.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux if anyone was curious |
| 03:26.00 | rwp | future28, If it has been working well... Could you try booting an older kernel and see if perhaps something in the recent kernels has become unstable? That is what I would try. |
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| 03:26.29 | future28 | rwp: Sorry, this has been happening for 3 months now unfortunately. I could try downgrading but wouldn't know where to begin |
| 03:26.30 | rwp | You can get older packages from snapshot.debian.org if you want to go fishing for older packaged kernels. Might be worth a try. |
| 03:26.42 | awal1 | looks like, for dongles, only rtl8812AU is reasonably supported via 3d party drivers until 4.15 or so |
| 03:26.46 | rwp | I would pick a kernel from six months ago. |
| 03:26.52 | future28 | Okay nice, thanks. That may be worth trying. is there any other aggressive logging options I could try? |
| 03:26.59 | rwp | You can grep your /var/log/dpkg.log file for a list of previously installed kernels and dates. |
| 03:27.23 | rwp | I would install the replacement package for mcelog if I could remember the name of the replacement package. :-( |
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| 03:29.11 | future28 | rwp: Is it rasdaemon? |
| 03:29.26 | rwp | rasdaemon! That is it. |
| 03:29.37 | future28 | rwp: I will try that one first. thanks again |
| 03:30.09 | rwp | Good luck! Hopefully you find it is a bad ram dimm or something that is quite easy to replace and fix the problem. |
| 03:30.27 | future28 | Yes, let's hope so. Otherwise it will be back to my X220 :D |
| 03:31.07 | rwp | Of course I am typing on my X220 right now. :-) Best keyboard of the entire set. But I do look with envy on the much thinner and lighter X1 carbons. :-) |
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| 03:34.32 | rwp | awal1, I may have to play wifi roulette again and buy a selection of 5 GHz adapters and see which ones have drivers and which do not. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=usb+wifi+5GHz |
| 03:36.14 | awal1 | rwp, good luck |
| 03:36.37 | awal1 | me i gogled several times and haven't found any |
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| 03:39.02 | rwp | The Atheros chipset would be the best one to get. So the trick is to figure out which ones have that chipset in them. |
| 03:40.44 | rwp | I am pretty sure that Alfa made a compatible model at one time. That I passed on at that time because it was no less than $50USD when I was shopping a couple of years ago. |
| 03:40.48 | awal1 | ac1200 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AC1200_Wireless_Adapters |
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| 03:41.56 | lhx | Any reason why stable and sid have a pacakge (ecryptfs-utils) but not testing? |
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| 03:42.36 | rwp | awal1, Good reference! |
| 03:43.10 | awal1 | rwp, yep |
| 03:43.21 | rwp | lhx, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ecryptfs-utils says https://tracker.debian.org/news/1012612/ecryptfs-utils-removed-from-testing/ |
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| 03:43.59 | rwp | lhx, Blames https://bugs.debian.org/765854 on the removal. |
| 03:44.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/765854 in ecryptfs-utils (open, security): «ecryptfs-utils: Private directory not automatically unmounted anymore on logout»; severity: critical; opened: 2014-10-18; last modified: 2019-01-22. |
| 03:44.47 | awal1 | rwp, if you finally decide search about it and if you find something let me know, at anytime; i'am regularly in the channel. thanks |
| 03:45.17 | rwp | I will try to remember. |
| 03:45.36 | awal1 | :) |
| 03:47.00 | rwp | lhx, Reading that bug ticket log... Is it really at root cause a systemd bug? Seems like it on first glance. |
| 03:49.49 | rwp | lhx, https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=ecryptfs-utils thinks that keeping the old version around on upgrade is less buggy than upgrading due to Bug#765854 being introduced if it is in Testing. |
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| 03:52.24 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] hi people |
| 03:52.32 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] i am new in tox |
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| 03:52.49 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] i am debian user |
| 03:53.54 | awal1 | toxync12- any question? |
| 03:54.02 | rwp | awal1, This is not an endorsement but https://www.amazon.com/Feefine-150Mbps-Adapter-Wireless-433Mbps/dp/B07MPVX98B/ says 5GHz and Linux support. For an example of one that probably should work. But it is still a gamble. |
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| 03:54.46 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] yep,where i can read group rules? |
| 03:55.22 | awal1 | rwp, ok, i will check it. thanks! |
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| 03:55.37 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] rwp? |
| 03:56.19 | rwp | awal1, I am still shopping. I am sure there are several available. For me I am looking for a high powered one with two antennas for use as an access point. |
| 03:57.27 | rwp | toxync12-, The guideline rules are in the topic. Which is mostly to be nice. |
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| 03:58.05 | rwp | toxync12-, if you have questions simply ask them. This channel is primarily for Debian Stable Stretch support. Offtopic discussion should be in #debian-offtopic channel. |
| 03:58.13 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] rwp i am using qtox and is my fisrt time,where i can find the rules? |
| 03:58.53 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] rwp can you invite me to debian offtopic tox group chat? |
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| 03:59.22 | awal1 | rwp, in a store i bought a mediatek dongle. it says supported by linux but when i got home it is false. mediatekjust provide an old buggy linux driver |
| 03:59.23 | rwp | I haven't heard of qtox before. Looks like one of the many chat clients. Which is fine. Many clients speak IRC. |
| 03:59.47 | awal1 | not easy to trust. |
| 03:59.50 | rwp | toxync12-, I am not interested in a direct chat at this time. You can ask your questions in this channel and the entire group can help if they can. |
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| 04:00.16 | patterson | xchat |
| 04:00.27 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] https://tox.chat/ |
| 04:00.28 | patterson | IRCcloud |
| 04:00.31 | rwp | Agreed! Trust comes hard. Especially when previously burned. "Once burned then twice shy." |
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| 04:01.49 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] what happen with the trust? ð® i did some bad? |
| 04:01.51 | rwp | toxync12-, I see the marketing that TOX is private and secure but just so you know this IRC channel you connected to is a public channel. No security here. We are speaking into the Internet here. |
| 04:02.17 | toxync12- | [noob101@tox] ok rwp |
| 04:02.19 | rwp | toxync12-, That comment about trust was with regard to marketing saying there is a driver for a device for linux when there was not a working one. |
| 04:02.35 | patterson | Hexchat etc. I sort of like Textual and Mirc which is so unhelpful |
| 04:02.45 | awal1 | rwp, the great one I wanted because it have injection support too is https://www.amazon.com/Alfa-AC1900-WiFi-Adapter-Long-Range/dp/B01MZD7Z76/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_3?keywords=alfa+usb+wifi+ac1900&qid=1553832117&s=gateway&sr=8-3-fkmrnull |
| 04:03.09 | awal1 | but sadly no official linux support yet |
| 04:03.46 | patterson | How about just going by the chipset or is that what you are basing the suggestions on |
| 04:04.05 | patterson | Broadcom and whoever |
| 04:04.07 | rwp | I like it! But the it doesn't say Atheros chipset. So not sure what is in it. |
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| 04:05.21 | patterson | Colleen used to say that Fry's is a hardware lending library |
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| 04:07.15 | rwp | The comments on that wifi adapter are saying that a working driver exists but is not in the mainstream kernel. So it needs hacking to make it work. |
| 04:07.33 | rwp | Maybe I should just hang out and save the frustration for a bit. |
| 04:08.24 | awal1 | driver available yes but official support no |
| 04:14.13 | awal1 | patterson we was talking about wifi dongles with 5gh support using chipsets officially supported by mainstream linux kernel |
| 04:14.30 | awal1 | using drivers ^ |
| 04:15.46 | awal1 | in the near future sure we will have official support i guess since 5gh is almost a "new technology" |
| 04:16.33 | awal1 | well, not really new but... if i can say, it is new for the free software world |
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| 04:18.33 | patterson | pardon me |
| 04:19.49 | patterson | Everyone sort of glosses over the ginormous deployment cost |
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| 06:01.38 | rnix | hi, how do i reliable perform an action on boot when a usb storage becomes ready in /dev at boot time? |
| 06:01.59 | rnix | prefered way would be a systemd service |
| 06:02.05 | rnix | to trigger |
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| 06:03.45 | diogenes_ | rnix, so make a systemd service. |
| 06:05.07 | rnix | maybe i need to explain a little bit more. i already have a oneshot service. but it does not work. |
| 06:05.11 | rnix | system is headless |
| 06:05.30 | rnix | i want to automount all USB drives with udisks 2 |
| 06:06.40 | rnix | problem is that even if i define my service to run after polkit and usdidks2 service available, /dev/sdX still not ready |
| 06:07.34 | rnix | other problem ist that sometimes /dev/sdX is ready but polkit refuses authorization. i guess it's simply not ready yet |
| 06:08.40 | rnix | if i put a sleep arounf 15! seconds in my oneshot script, mounting works half-reliable |
| 06:08.50 | diogenes_ | then maybe add e.g sleep 15; <command> |
| 06:09.38 | rnix | id did. but i refuse to deploy such a hack |
| 06:09.39 | diogenes_ | oh hehe we did it simultaneously |
| 06:11.31 | rnix | fun fact. 5 seconds is not enough, 10 sometimes. what the hack is the system doing all the time? |
| 06:11.45 | diogenes_ | i don't know much about systemd but if it's compatible with init.d, the you could try that instead of systemd.service |
| 06:12.54 | rnix | in systemd you have targets for your system which correspond to differen run levels. i fear vinit won't help here |
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| 07:24.02 | rnix | diogenes_: my simply using udevil and devmon all my problems are gone |
| 07:24.09 | rnix | s/my/by/ |
| 07:24.21 | rnix | so much hassle for nothng |
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| 08:54.51 | mpodien | when I compile dash from source it's 503K but /bin/dash is much smaller - just 115K. how do I find out why this is the case? |
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| 08:58.57 | Iridos | your binary probably isn't stripped |
| 09:00.50 | jelly | tarzeau: "nice time ls" will force usage of /usr/bin/time over a shell builtin time |
| 09:01.17 | jelly | so time nice ls is probably nicer |
| 09:02.26 | Iridos | both are not correct sentences, though. Not satisfied. |
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| 09:08.08 | mpodien | Iridos: Oh wow, that was it. How interesting. Thank you! |
| 09:08.26 | Iridos | you meant jelly, but ok |
| 09:08.32 | Iridos | oh, you didn't |
| 09:08.41 | Iridos | drinks more coffee |
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| 09:11.53 | warai_otoko | what can I do when I get "IPv6 wlan0 link not ready" at boot on an old i686 machine and can't connect to Wifi? This happens to Ethernet too, btw... |
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| 09:19.24 | nikitasius | hello folks. |
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| 09:20.24 | nikitasius | i have strange issue on debian9: before on debian8 my scripts are worked |
| 09:20.27 | nikitasius | #!/bin/bash |
| 09:20.28 | nikitasius | xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i /path/to/my/key root@myserver -p22" |
| 09:20.30 | nikitasius | exit 0 |
| 09:20.53 | nikitasius | like i click on this and i connect to my sserver. Now.. nothing happening. files are executable |
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| 09:21.22 | nikitasius | i can call `xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i /path/to/my/key root@myserver -p22"` or `ssh -i /path/to/my/key root@myserver -p22` - this way it works |
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| 09:22.32 | nikitasius | i even can call in console scripts via ./script |
| 09:22.48 | nikitasius | but simple mouse click in folder fails :| |
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| 09:23.43 | nikitasius | default to open: "opens with xcfe terminal" |
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| 09:32.52 | tarzeau | jelly: thanks |
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| 10:01.54 | krion | hi |
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| 10:02.20 | krion | i'm having hard trouble understanding what's wrong when i try to install apache's php module. |
| 10:03.18 | krion | https://gpldr.in/v/8l1ttEOF5U/WDOhL22mDRPL1GRm |
| 10:04.15 | mutante | krion: you might find more in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:04.21 | mutante | since it says that failed |
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| 10:07.03 | krion | dpkg.log doesn't help much more |
| 10:07.29 | krion | 2019-03-29 11:06:27 configure libapache2-mod-php7.0:amd64 7.0.33-0+deb9u2 <none> |
| 10:07.34 | krion | may be the none |
| 10:08.08 | mutante | krion: run 'dpkg-reconfigure libapache2-mod-php7.0' to see what goes wrong ? |
| 10:08.16 | mutante | that should repeat the failed config step |
| 10:09.04 | krion | apache2_switch_mpm prefork: No action required |
| 10:09.10 | mutante | maybe conflict with existing php packages installed from another source.. in that case i would first try apt-get remove --purge php* and then reinstall the one package |
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| 10:09.43 | krion | already try, looks like it's related to apache and prefork |
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| 10:14.08 | mutante | krion: apt-get -f install ? |
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| 10:44.32 | ntz | hello |
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| 11:06.23 | krion | mutante: well, I can manage to have it installed but my goal is to understand what's wrong |
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| 12:00.45 | DimmuR | hello is there any way to obtain linux-headers-4.17.0-3-amd64 ? It's no longer listed on packages :/ |
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| 12:18.05 | EdePopede | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers only brings up jessie and sid with 3.16.* and strech-backports with 4.13 and up. https://packages.debian.org/stable/kernel/ lists the 4.9.* for stretch. tags missing? |
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| 12:20.12 | jelly | > Your keyword was too generic, for optimizing reasons some results might have been suppressed. |
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| 12:22.22 | EdePopede | so i'd also have to know the version numner? |
| 12:22.56 | jelly | you could also ask the bot |
| 12:22.58 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 12:22.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.19.16-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 12:23.00 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 12:23.25 | EdePopede | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch&keywords=linux-headers |
| 12:23.28 | EdePopede | same message |
| 12:23.34 | EdePopede | and still no entries. |
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| 12:23.42 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 12:23.42 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 12:23.53 | jelly | DimmuR: ^ |
| 12:25.04 | jelly | EdePopede: or https://tracker.debian.org/ and search for src:linux |
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| 12:25.38 | EdePopede | jelly: that's exactly the problem. the site isn't usable for people not involved with debian developing in some way. or does debian offer courses? |
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| 12:27.19 | EdePopede | even *knowledge* of tracker has to be acquired |
| 12:29.23 | jelly | EdePopede: I suspect bugs against relevant packages ("www.debian.org") are files already and rather old |
| 12:29.31 | jelly | filed* already |
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| 12:32.11 | EdePopede | and ignored, right? |
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| 12:34.37 | jelly | EdePopede: I can suggest joining the web team and offering a helping hand. #debian-www on oftc. |
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| 12:35.35 | EdePopede | jelly: before one can help one has to understand the stuff. and after all those years it still looks incomplete and contradictory to me. or simply: illogical |
| 12:36.10 | afidegnum | hello. i installed linux and assigned static IP but can't ping other linux pc in the LAN |
| 12:36.43 | jelly | afidegnum: can you pastebin the output of "ip r" and "ip a" and your ping command? |
| 12:37.01 | jelly | a screenshot is good enough if you can't paste text |
| 12:37.08 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:37.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:37.25 | jelly | EdePopede: that's false. You can learn stuff on the way. |
| 12:38.16 | EdePopede | jelly: not by try&error. with this method i spend most of my time running back while trying to forget the false stuff i memorized. |
| 12:39.04 | EdePopede | there's a reason why a structured schooling system has made its way in most parts of the world |
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| 12:41.45 | afidegnum | default via 192.168.10.1 dev etho1.164.65.60/30 dev rmnet_data0 proto kernel scope link src 10.164.65.62 |
| 12:41.53 | afidegnum | wait |
| 12:42.18 | afidegnum | let me repost i m using irc from my phone |
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| 12:42.57 | jelly | afidegnum: it's probably more sane to upload a picture to imgur.com than make typos typing it all in |
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| 12:45.13 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.04 | jelly | afidegnum: can you put it all in a pastebin site? |
| 12:49.44 | afidegnum | nob |
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| 12:50.16 | afidegnum | my networked pc are not connected to the network |
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| 12:51.08 | EdePopede | afidegnum: does your phone have a camera? |
| 12:51.25 | afidegnum | yes |
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| 12:51.31 | EdePopede | :) |
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| 12:56.23 | afidegnum | https://pasteboard.co/I7Fefmb.jpg |
| 12:56.32 | afidegnum | jelly |
| 12:57.02 | afidegnum | here is my screenshot |
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| 13:00.05 | greycat | Can't help noticing the Kali. |
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| 13:00.46 | afidegnum | its a debian derivative |
| 13:01.38 | tarzeau | afidegnum: so is ubuntu, so what? |
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| 13:02.20 | afidegnum | it's debian based distro for cybersecurity. i m in a class |
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| 13:02.40 | tarzeau | we all know what it is. but it's nothing lost in #debian |
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| 13:03.22 | tarzeau | this is not #kali support, or #any-other-derivative-of-debian-support, it's #debian ONLY |
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| 13:03.47 | afidegnum | no help ? |
| 13:04.01 | tarzeau | unless you replace your kali with debian, no. |
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| 13:12.23 | jelly | afidegnum: can't see what you're pinging, but the configuration looks alright. Perhaps ask in ##linux. I'm banned in #kali-linux :-) |
| 13:12.33 | afidegnum | there is no help from kali |
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| 13:13.01 | greycat | I can only see the last two octets of the ping target: 10.3 |
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| 13:13.13 | greycat | there's a huge glare over the first part |
| 13:13.53 | jelly | glares |
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| 13:17.20 | afidegnum | destination unreachable |
| 13:17.40 | ayekat | 192.168.10.3, it seems |
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| 13:19.38 | ayekat | I'd probably check if 192.168.10.3 exists, and whether it responds to pings |
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| 13:20.59 | ayekat | or if even just 192.168.10.1 (I assume the gateway?) is reachable |
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| 13:21.33 | afidegnum | the gateway can't ping too |
| 13:22.56 | ayekat | yeah, ping is not an indicator - `ip neigh` can tell more |
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| 13:23.35 | ayekat | then again, who knows if kali has some weird firewall rules or what not... |
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| 13:25.39 | afidegnum | https://pasteboard.co/I7Fq6m0.jpg |
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| 13:27.08 | jelly | afidegnum: that looks like none of those IP addresses are reachable. That in turn means you should not have been able to ping any of them, and also it means your network config is likely incorrect. |
| 13:29.04 | jelly | afidegnum: you can start a sniffer on eth0 and see what kind of traffic there is, and try to guess correct network setup from there. If there were more that one etherinet interface on the system, this might have pointed to you having configured a wrong one. |
| 13:29.04 | afidegnum | ifconfig right ? |
| 13:29.34 | afidegnum | what nmap ? |
| 13:29.43 | jelly | ifconfig, like ip, is a tool to query and configure IP network settings. |
| 13:29.59 | jelly | and eth. L2 settings. |
| 13:30.17 | afidegnum | i mean what sniffing tool ? |
| 13:30.19 | jelly | afidegnum: also, sorry, wrong channel. |
| 13:30.28 | jelly | I won't help you in here further. |
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| 13:34.51 | ayekat | I can reproduce the behaviour there by assigning a nonsense IP address to one of my network interfaces and then pinging an address in the same subnet |
| 13:35.30 | ayekat | I'd say it's either you got the subnet wrong (and it's not 192.168.10.0/24), or it's something kali-specific, because the network config you've shown us so far looks OK |
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| 13:38.37 | greycat | I'm guessing that this *is* his assignment -- he's supposed to figure out the correct network settings somehow as part of his "how to be a fucking cyber criminal" class. |
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| 13:41.41 | ayekat | ah, right ^^ |
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| 13:44.47 | jelly | greycat: they call it "pentester", not "fucking cyber criminal" |
| 13:46.04 | greycat | uh huh |
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| 13:47.01 | jelly | why does one need ipv4 configured to test some pens |
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| 13:47.50 | Old_Dog | excuse me, do any of y'all know anything about irc.spotchat.org being down? |
| 13:47.53 | greycat | internet of things, rightr? |
| 13:47.54 | ArlequInOut | cybercriminality is easy, real mastering of computer security with kali linux and others tools is a real challenge and a job. |
| 13:49.06 | yvyz | Why do I need kali to master computer security? |
| 13:49.22 | ArlequInOut | yvyz, kali is not needed, it's just à tools compilation |
| 13:49.35 | yvyz | ok cool |
| 13:51.24 | ayekat | I see the usecase of kali, but that usecase is definitely not "teaching about security" |
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| 13:54.35 | ArlequInOut | ayekat, kali is for practicing pentest. in fact, you need to learn everything to be a good pentester (with a real mastering of details). from web technology to ELF format with disassembly and debugger. Mastering of networks with wireshark, nmap and other. etc. |
| 13:55.08 | ayekat | ArlequInOut: yes, and that's a lot of theory one has to dive through first |
| 13:55.25 | yvyz | just master metasploit and pivoting. |
| 13:55.54 | yvyz | jk |
| 13:56.34 | ayekat | if you don't know how screws work, you won't learn it with a toolbox full of fancy screwdrivers either |
| 13:56.34 | krion | mutante: looks like it was kind of puppet fault, i updated my puppet-apache modules and no more complain |
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| 13:58.19 | ArlequInOut | ayekat, it's the confrontation of theory and practice. this is why it's exciting ^^ |
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| 13:59.34 | ArlequInOut | yvyz, metasploit is advanced software for automatisation of some advanced pentest task (shellcode writing, encoding payload etc.). It's a framework |
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| 14:00.08 | yvyz | oh, i thought it was the hack switch |
| 14:00.50 | ArlequInOut | yvyz, if you follow a tutorial step by step with a famous vulnerability on a old system, it can :) |
| 14:00.58 | yvyz | how does one hack the gibsons? |
| 14:01.12 | yvyz | where does one find a gibson? |
| 14:01.23 | greycat | in a guitar shop |
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| 14:01.52 | ArlequInOut | you hack the sound with overdrive |
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| 14:02.07 | yvyz | is that like metasploit? |
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| 14:02.31 | ayekat | ArlequInOut: sure, but if the student doesn't know the basics of networking and operating systems, you're gonna have to skip a lot of the "theory" part, because the student won't understand it anyway |
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| 14:03.07 | ayekat | ArlequInOut: which appears to be the case with the person who was asking for help earlier |
| 14:03.11 | greycat | maybe this student is in the wrong class, and/or the class's list of prerequisites should be revised |
| 14:03.25 | yvyz | i would venture out as far as suggesting that one should not attempt the gibson if one does not understand the gibson |
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| 14:04.11 | yvyz | "Oh, youve never used a computer before? Install arch on it and get back to me" |
| 14:05.58 | ArlequInOut | ayekat, some authors know how to write books to be understandable. If the student (in the well class) can't understand, the problem is the teacher |
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| 14:07.19 | ArlequInOut | yvyz, and linux from scratch ? with good explanation ? |
| 14:07.55 | yvyz | im pretty sure one cannot hack without dubstep playing in the background |
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| 14:08.47 | alex15 | Hi. I am trying to set up mpd correctly and ran into a problem. I ran "sudo usermod -aG audio mpd" to add mpd to the audio group, and now I simply want to undo it. "sudo deluser mpd audio" does not work, as I may not remove the user form his primary group. How can I undo the useradd command? |
| 14:08.53 | ArlequInOut | yvyz, mozart hack symphonic music (with a strong mastering of theory and practice and some talents) without dubstep :) |
| 14:09.05 | yvyz | ;) |
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| 14:11.07 | alex15 | Can I just edit /etc/group with sudo vim and remove mpd from there? |
| 14:11.41 | alex15 | As you probably can tell, I am not yet familiar with user rights and groups... |
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| 14:13.27 | greycat | alex15: mpd is a user? Yes, you may remove users from groups by manually editing /etc/group. In fact that's the easiest way. |
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| 14:13.42 | alex15 | greycat: OK, thank you! |
| 14:13.52 | greycat | There's also the "vigr" command, but most people probably just use vi /etc/group. |
| 14:14.37 | mutante | krion: ah.. puppet ! glad you found it, thx |
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| 14:16.17 | alex15 | greycat: Not sure if mpd is a user. I did not add a new one and mpd certainely has no home directory, so I don't think it is a user. I am just trying to troubleshoot why my I can't get mpd up and running. Have the same config file as on other system but somehow I can't build a library |
| 14:16.37 | alex15 | I am just trying out stuff to fix the problem :) |
| 14:17.03 | greycat | But you literally said "add mpd to the audio group". |
| 14:17.25 | greycat | If mpd isn't a user, then this makes no sense at all. Groups are groups OF users. |
| 14:17.46 | alex15 | Yes, because some people said that mpd might not work because mpd perhaps should be part of group audio. So I tried that, did not work |
| 14:17.54 | greycat | In any case, you can use "id mpd" to see whether the system thinks it's a user. Or search for mpd in /etc/passwd, etc. |
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| 14:18.33 | alex15 | id mpd gives uid=122(mpd) gid=29(audio) groups=29(audio), so It probably is a user |
| 14:18.52 | alex15 | I guess it is an automatically created user |
| 14:18.58 | greycat | Yes, a "system" user. I don't think you should be messing with the group memberships of system users. |
| 14:19.32 | alex15 | Yes. That's why I wanted to undo the changes I made. |
| 14:19.44 | greycat | Though, from that "id mpd" output, it looks like you simply duplicated the user's primary group as a supplementary group, which should be harmless. |
| 14:20.18 | Iridos | but⦠mpd is in the audio group by default |
| 14:20.38 | alex15 | Iridos: Not on my fresh Debian Stretch install. |
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| 14:20.56 | alex15 | Iridos: cat /etc/group | grep audio had no mpd in it |
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| 14:21.47 | alex15 | It had only myusername, pulse in it |
| 14:21.54 | Iridos | that's because it is its primary group |
| 14:22.23 | alex15 | OK I am confused. I need to read up on groups, and also the manpage of id to understand what I am doing. |
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| 14:23.22 | greycat | Every user has a primary group, which is defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of supplementary groups, defined in /etc/group. |
| 14:24.17 | alex15 | Wow I did not know that my system had more than 1 user... :D |
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| 14:24.36 | alex15 | so many in /etc/passwd |
| 14:25.16 | Iridos | and I know that⦠because I just installed mpd⦠and the install script creates the user with that group⦠|
| 14:25.33 | Iridos | and you can see with "groups mpd" which groups it is in no matter what the group |
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| 14:26.43 | alex15 | Iridos: "groups mpd" indeed shows "mpd: audio". Sorry if I said something wrong. I meant that "cat /etc/group | grep audio" did not list mpd |
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| 14:27.11 | greycat | I'm not fond of the "groups" command since it doesn't clearly show the difference between primary and supplementary groups. |
| 14:27.32 | Iridos | the question is⦠why are you doing all this? |
| 14:28.08 | alex15 | I am setting up my music player on a new system. Installed mpd, mpc, ncmpcpp and copied my mpd.conf |
| 14:28.14 | teclo- | alex15: that's "by design" ;) |
| 14:28.49 | alex15 | But somehow my library is not getting recognized in ncmpcpp or mpc |
| 14:28.51 | teclo- | some Unix books should be insightful on why there is such and such group |
| 14:29.19 | alex15 | teclo-: Yes, I have to read up on groups and users. I am not familiar yet with them. |
| 14:29.41 | teclo- | alex15: ok :) |
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| 14:32.21 | alex15 | Anyway thank you greycat and Iridos for helping me. I know now at least that my problem is not a group or permission problem :) |
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| 14:33.12 | netriber | Hello, I'm trying to install a debian machine using netboot , but fails obtaining dhcp . I have set the ip address manually but pinging a host on the same network returns "Network is unreachable" . Any ideas? |
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| 14:36.02 | netriber | how can I check in the installer if I have the network interface up, "ip a s" shows the interface is there |
| 14:36.03 | greycat | Ethernet or wireless? Is the device compatible with stretch? Does it require nonfree firmware? Nonfree driver? Is the cable attached correctly? If the port has a "link light", is that lit? |
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| 14:38.23 | netriber | nevermind , just saw dmesg message saying it didn't load the kernel module bnx2 |
| 14:38.29 | greycat | !bnx2 |
| 14:38.29 | dpkg | bnx2 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>. |
| 14:38.46 | Diego_ | Hi, I'm trying to make script to auto upgrade my raspbian from jessie to stretch, without prompting and messages. It's almost working but it still get a message box about restarting certain libraries. Whitch parameter should I use to avoid this message box? |
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| 14:39.05 | greycat | Ask #raspbian. |
| 14:39.08 | netriber | !installer firmware |
| 14:39.08 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 14:39.26 | netriber | thank you |
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| 14:45.12 | DammitJim | definitely not the right channel, but I don't know where else to ask... do you guys know of the proper technology/tool to continuously transfer files @ 5 files per second over WAN? I think at this point, the files are about 56KB |
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| 14:51.12 | ayekat | that's a shell 3-5 liner... but what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:52.57 | DammitJim | ensure we can receive all these files |
| 14:53.23 | DammitJim | w/o blocking the delivery; yet, ensure the delivery |
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| 14:55.28 | ayekat | what do you mean with "blocking the delivery"? TCP has rate and congenstion control, and it shouldn't lose data halfway through |
| 14:56.02 | ayekat | and any protocol running on top of TCP should thus handle that fine, too (e.g. HTTP, SSH, ...) |
| 14:56.36 | ayekat | but I still don't understand what your problem (and goal) is |
| 14:56.37 | DammitJim | By 'without blocking the delivery' I mean, I don't want the client to keep waiting for each file to be delivered because on my end I'm "too slow" |
| 14:56.56 | DammitJim | yes, I'm kind of assuming TCP will take care of the file delivery |
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| 14:57.39 | DammitJim | my fear is that I'll pick something like sFTP and the client might decide to make a connection each time it sends a file... that would not be a good approach, right? |
| 14:57.46 | DammitJim | I don't know if there are "streaming" technologies |
| 14:58.01 | DammitJim | I am calling it streaming, I don't even know the right term to search online |
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| 14:59.13 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: The only way to "stream" content is to create a stream, a continuous output like a single file. |
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| 14:59.27 | ayekat | the sender will have to wait either way, but here you're adding artificial waiting, it seems |
| 14:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | It sounds like what you need is a process that transfers the file, then remotely verifies that the file was received. What triggers each transfer is another question. |
| 14:59.53 | ayekat | like, either it sends everything as fast as possible, or it sends 5 files at a time, then waits, then the 5 next files... I don't see how that's better |
| 15:00.08 | DammitJim | I'm not worried about what triggers it |
| 15:00.19 | DammitJim | ok, gotta go to a meeting |
| 15:00.24 | DammitJim | thanks for your good points jhutchins_wk and ayekat |
| 15:00.38 | ayekat | is still confused |
| 15:00.50 | qman__ | Yes, this makes no sense |
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| 15:09.21 | nikitasius | folks, there is problems: on 8 debian all was fine. On 9 debian i can't execute my scripts anymore. They are executable. |
| 15:09.23 | nikitasius | #!/bin/bash |
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| 15:09.25 | nikitasius | xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i /path/to/key root@server -p22" |
| 15:09.27 | nikitasius | exit 0 |
| 15:09.29 | nikitasius | that are like this. |
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| 15:10.24 | nikitasius | damn bot kicked |
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| 15:10.53 | greycat | what happens when you try to run it? |
| 15:10.57 | nikitasius | so, my scripts (3 lines) `#!/bin/bash xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i /path/to/key root@server -p22" exit 0` dont work anymore on click. but work via console |
| 15:11.03 | ayekat | !paste |
| 15:11.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:11.10 | nikitasius | greycat: i see "loading icon" on mouse cursor |
| 15:11.31 | greycat | But it runs when executed in a terminal, so it's not the script that's broken. It's whatever desktop thing you are clicking. |
| 15:11.55 | nikitasius | greycat: i can execute then like ./runme |
| 15:11.59 | nikitasius | it works |
| 15:12.12 | greycat | So it's the desktop thing that you click. Which is... what? Which program? |
| 15:12.16 | nikitasius | but via GUI in folder - can't just "loading icon" and nothing else |
| 15:12.22 | greycat | What GUI? |
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| 15:12.29 | nikitasius | xfce as on debian8 |
| 15:12.49 | nikitasius | (but now im on clean debian9) |
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| 15:13.13 | ayekat | nikitasius: so thunar? |
| 15:13.38 | nikitasius | guess yes |
| 15:13.41 | nikitasius | default file manager |
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| 15:14.16 | wwilliam | Hello how do i know what is adding those last lines to .profile? |
| 15:14.18 | nikitasius | and they are https://i.imgur.com/T1rV24S.png |
| 15:14.18 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/1075219/ |
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| 15:14.46 | wwilliam | I delete them and they keep coming back |
| 15:15.08 | ayekat | nikitasius: that setting only tells thunar how to open the file, but not how to execute it |
| 15:15.33 | ayekat | (and as a tip, change that to a text editor - because you can't really "open" a file with a terminal) |
| 15:15.50 | nikitasius | ayekat: https://i.imgur.com/P0lREtX.png |
| 15:16.24 | nikitasius | they are 744 |
| 15:16.42 | alex15 | OK I was able to solve my problem. But I do not fully understand why a different solution did not work. There seem to be three possible ways I can startup mpd on boot: as normal user, as mpd or as root. By default, mpd was run by the user mpd (which had no access to my usernames music files in the home partition) |
| 15:16.56 | greycat | wwilliam: first guess would be "some broken python program" |
| 15:17.18 | greycat | try grepping for PYTHONSTARTUP in all of your *.py things that you use |
| 15:17.30 | ayekat | wwilliam: also "perlbrew" - that might be another misbehaving part |
| 15:17.35 | alex15 | What I don't understand is why I was not able to start mpd again from my username (when it already was running under the user mpd). Can someone give me a hint? |
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| 15:17.57 | wwilliam | I dont use py things that i know of greycat |
| 15:18.15 | wwilliam | yes the perlbrew i removed |
| 15:18.17 | alex15 | I would have guessed it is no problem that multiple instances of the program "mpd" are run simultaneously from different users |
| 15:18.25 | ayekat | nikitasius: so first, if you fix the "open with" setting and change it back to a text editor, what happens when you double-click? |
| 15:18.33 | greycat | Well. Another tool you could use is "chattr +i ~/.profile" -- and then see what breaks when it can't write to your .profile. |
| 15:18.42 | nikitasius | ayekat: opening editor i guess and as i see |
| 15:18.45 | nikitasius | but i need to execite them |
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| 15:18.52 | greycat | Not as elegant as grepping for the offending string in all your python programs. |
| 15:19.06 | wwilliam | ok greycat thank you checking |
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| 15:19.36 | wwilliam | chattr +i ~/.profile |
| 15:19.38 | wwilliam | chattr: Operation not permitted while setting flags on /home/afernandez/.profile |
| 15:19.51 | nikitasius | ayekat: i posted an example (3 lines, but posted in 1 line) |
| 15:19.57 | ayekat | nikitasius: if double-clicking something opens it, then you'll probably have to right-click and see if the context menu shows an option to execute it instead |
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| 15:20.22 | ayekat | nikitasius: yes, I know what the script looks like - I'm asking what *actually* happens when you double-click |
| 15:20.35 | nikitasius | ayekat: it;s not a program it;s a script. |
| 15:20.41 | nikitasius | so no execute option. |
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| 15:21.05 | nikitasius | i just wanna bring back same "feature" as i had in deb8: click on script and it runs lol |
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| 15:21.51 | wwilliam | when i open the terminal every time I open the terminal a line like that is added to .profile |
| 15:22.31 | greycat | Then check your .bashrc and so on. |
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| 15:22.49 | wwilliam | ok Thank you greycat |
| 15:22.50 | nikitasius | ayekat: no matter, fixed with https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=194464 |
| 15:23.30 | wwilliam | greycat: on my .bashrc echo "export PYTHONSTARTUP=~/.pythonrc" >> ~/.profile |
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| 15:23.37 | wwilliam | and why do i have that there? |
| 15:23.49 | wwilliam | echo "export PYTHONSTARTUP=~/.pythonrc" >> ~/.profile |
| 15:23.50 | wwilliam | stty -ixon |
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| 15:24.30 | ayekat_ | ah wait - I get the same |
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| 15:25.15 | wwilliam | I will commented out and see what breaks. |
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| 15:25.43 | wwilliam | because honestly i dont remember adding that there. |
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| 15:27.37 | dr4ken | folks, can i install a very VERY basic system with the netinst images without downloading anything? or internet is a must have for it? |
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| 15:27.58 | dr4ken | by a very basic system i mean GNU tools + linux kernel with a suable shell, that's it |
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| 15:28.09 | dr4ken | (and obviously APT) |
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| 15:32.21 | petn-randall | dr4ken: That's possible with only the netinstaller, yes. |
| 15:32.44 | petn-randall | dr4ken: It can install a minimal system that can install further packages when the internet connection is back. |
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| 15:33.16 | ov3rmind | hello great guys! here is a good time to say nice day too everybody :) thanks |
| 15:33.19 | dr4ken | petn-randall, so i can, for example install that system on an internetless machine and then plug it on later to isntall the rest? |
| 15:33.34 | dr4ken | petn-randall, excellent, that's wexactly what i wanted |
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| 15:43.21 | slurk | ahoy m8s, I saw lots of apt update breaking on jessie with 404 |
| 15:43.21 | kaizoku | YAARRRR |
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| 15:44.09 | dr4ken | slurk, it can only means something: broken install :P |
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| 15:47.05 | BCMM | slurk, dr4ken: the obsolete jessie-updates repo was taken down recently |
| 15:47.27 | BCMM | anybody still using Jessie should read https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 15:47.35 | stiet | hello |
| 15:47.48 | BCMM | (and *most* people still using jessie should just upgrade to stretch) |
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| 15:49.08 | hodapp | BCMM: blaaaargh, my only reason for being on Jessie is that I need binary OpenCV 3.x packages for one deployment |
| 15:49.37 | hodapp | and someone has a .deb up with that, but it depends on some things that are only in jessie |
| 15:49.47 | slurk | BCMM: hehe yes, I very much noticed this. I'm just here to bark before deploying a datacentre-wide fix for it :p |
| 15:50.06 | hodapp | stabs OpenCV in the face |
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| 15:54.08 | petn-randall | dr4ken: yes |
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| 16:24.27 | ov3rmind | any bitcoin wallet recomendation to buster user? very thanks! |
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| 16:26.14 | petn-randall | ov3rmind: I don't think there's any bitcoin wallet packaged in Debian, as none suffice the QA criteria to support over the complete release cycle. |
| 16:26.48 | jelly | the official client is usually present in sid, but will never be in stable |
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| 16:27.25 | jelly | and also, it's built against a newer BerkeleyDB than upstream uses which _supposedly_ introduces on-disk format incompatibility |
| 16:27.32 | Shahnaz- | oi |
| 16:27.59 | Shahnaz- | why is debian stretch listening on 2 random tcp highports without a process |
| 16:28.05 | Shahnaz- | dies not happen on jessie |
| 16:28.07 | Shahnaz- | does* |
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| 16:28.23 | greycat | use lsof or ss or netstat to see what's listening on those ports |
| 16:28.30 | jelly | Shahnaz-: which ports? what does "ss -tulpn", run as root, say about those? |
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| 16:28.59 | Shahnaz- | as said, random high port no process associated |
| 16:29.18 | greycat | I doubt this is a correct statement. |
| 16:29.18 | Shahnaz- | dports dont show in lsof or fuser either |
| 16:29.25 | Shahnaz- | tcp6 0 0 :::43181 :::* LISTEN - |
| 16:29.31 | jelly | Shahnaz-: and not in ss either? |
| 16:29.31 | Shahnaz- | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:42011 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 16:29.50 | jelly | and ss is running as root? |
| 16:29.52 | greycat | lsof -i :42011 # as root |
| 16:29.54 | Shahnaz- | LISTEN 0 100 127.0.0.1:25 *:* users:(("master",pid=807,fd=13)) |
| 16:29.54 | Shahnaz- | LISTEN 0 64 *:42011 *:* |
| 16:29.54 | Shahnaz- | LISTEN 0 64 :::43181 :::* |
| 16:29.58 | Shahnaz- | yeah all running as root |
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| 16:30.24 | jelly | ok, at least that postfix is showing |
| 16:30.41 | Shahnaz- | yeah all other ports properly show processes |
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| 16:30.46 | Shahnaz- | only those two dont |
| 16:30.57 | Shahnaz- | after reboot its again tehre, different high ports |
| 16:31.02 | jelly | Shahnaz-: is rpcbind or portmap installed? |
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| 16:31.23 | Shahnaz- | yeah rpcbind is on there |
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| 16:31.58 | Shahnaz- | when i stop it ports are still there, tried with most services |
| 16:32.10 | Shahnaz- | nobody else has them ports showing up in stretch? :) |
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| 16:33.56 | jelly | Shahnaz-: okay then. run "rpcinfo", is there anything related to "42011" or "27.164" in the output? |
| 16:34.16 | jelly | (42011 = 164*256 + 27) |
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| 16:36.07 | jelly | Shahnaz-: if you have nfs-kernel-server running, that might be mountd / rpc.mountd |
| 16:36.38 | jelly | nfs is weird so you won't see it directly in lsof/netstat/ss |
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| 16:37.06 | Shahnaz- | ni have nfs mounts on the server |
| 16:37.13 | Shahnaz- | no nfs-server running though |
| 16:38.07 | Shahnaz- | jelly: (42011 = 164*256 + 27) that one i found |
| 16:38.11 | Shahnaz- | in prc info |
| 16:38.17 | Shahnaz- | nlockmgr |
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| 16:38.32 | jelly | that's also related to nfs, but nfs _client_ |
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| 16:38.55 | jelly | so if you have remote nfs shares mounted, that's okay |
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| 16:39.10 | Shahnaz- | my hero |
| 16:39.16 | Shahnaz- | when i umount the shares its gone |
| 16:39.28 | jelly | !win Shahnaz- |
| 16:39.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, Shahnaz-! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 16:39.47 | Shahnaz- | neat :) |
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| 16:40.05 | Shahnaz- | any man page/readme where i can read why nfs mount opens listening ports? |
| 16:41.01 | jelly | probably SunRPC and nlockmgr and nfs specifications |
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| 16:41.34 | Shahnaz- | kk, will check it out ... thx for your help |
| 16:41.38 | Shahnaz- | drove me crazy |
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| 16:43.32 | jelly | I _think_ this is "NLM" mentioned in "man 5 nfs" |
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| 16:47.30 | Shahnaz- | your right .. when i mount with nolock then no ports are opened |
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| 16:58.49 | mikjaer | How do i upgrade from Debian 7 to Debian 8 now when all the Debian 7 repos are gone? |
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| 16:59.20 | greycat | Well for starters, you need the Debian 8 repositories for that, not the wheezy ones. |
| 16:59.21 | vlt | Are they? |
| 16:59.49 | greycat | Also, as vlt said, they're not actually gone. Just the auxility "jessie-updates" and "jessie-backports". |
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| 17:00.04 | mikjaer | greycat: so i can just go directly to Debian 8 without getting the Debian 7 to the most current? |
| 17:00.04 | greycat | auxiliary. which you don't need. |
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| 17:00.35 | greycat | Even the wheezy sources are *not* gone. |
| 17:01.00 | mikjaer | Well great ... how to do it then? :) |
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| 17:07.10 | greycat | I've updated the wiki page. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
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| 17:13.45 | alex15 | Hello again. Is it a problem when a partition does not start on a physical sector boundary? I have that warning when I run "sudo fdisk -l" because my harddrive seems to have a physical sector size of 4096 bytes (logical 512 bytes). The output is colored red, therefore giving me a sense of urgency |
| 17:15.53 | jhutchins_wk | alex15: I've had that on a lot of systems and never noticed any problems. |
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| 17:16.41 | alex15 | jhutchins_wk: OK. The red color just made it look a bit dangerous :) |
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| 17:16.57 | jhutchins_wk | alex15: That's not to say that there weren't problems, I just didn't see any. |
| 17:17.32 | jhutchins_wk | alex15: There's probably something on the web about it. You could just copy the error message and paste it into a search. |
| 17:18.05 | alex15 | Yes, thank you. |
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| 17:24.21 | petn-randall | alex15: Worst case random I/O would halve the effective IOPS. |
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| 17:25.48 | alex15 | petn-randall: So worst case this is just a speed issue, but not more, do I understand you right? |
| 17:26.11 | alex15 | If so, I can live with that for now |
| 17:26.25 | petn-randall | yes |
| 17:26.55 | petn-randall | You'd want to avoid that if you're setting up a database server, but it probably doesn't matter much for a home PC. |
| 17:27.17 | alex15 | I am a bit surprised that it happened because I just setup the system from scratch |
| 17:27.41 | jhutchins_wk | alex15: It's sometimes an artifact of using different partition management tools on the same disk. |
| 17:27.45 | petn-randall | alex15: Which installer did you use? |
| 17:27.54 | jhutchins_wk | Some things don't care about alignment, others do. |
| 17:28.18 | alex15 | I installed the latest Debian Stretch with non-free netinstaller, copied with dd to an USB stick |
| 17:28.56 | alex15 | Have one hard drive, selected guided partitioning (encrypted) |
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| 17:29.51 | petn-randall | alex15: Was the disk blank before? |
| 17:30.34 | alex15 | I had an old Debian running on it, but the installer deleted the whole disk and overrode it with random stuff I think |
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| 17:31.31 | alex15 | So in my opinion it was blank |
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| 17:32.34 | rafuch0 | hi there i am trying to compile openssl 1.0 it compiles ok... but i cant find the libs that i need like libssl.so |
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| 17:33.03 | rafuch0 | dont understand why?? i am doing ./config make depend make all make install |
| 17:33.13 | rafuch0 | all no erros |
| 17:33.20 | rafuch0 | but no libs :( |
| 17:33.42 | petn-randall | rafuch0: For what are you trying to compile openssl 1.0? |
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| 17:34.05 | greycat | Debian's already *got* openssl 1.0 that you can use. |
| 17:34.40 | rafuch0 | yeah .. but i want it to compile it |
| 17:34.57 | rafuch0 | and just cand find those .so files... |
| 17:35.02 | greycat | apt-get source libssl1.0-dev etc. |
| 17:35.03 | rafuch0 | *cant |
| 17:35.04 | alex15 | petn-randall: if it helps, I plan on installing Stretch again from scratch on this Laptop in some days (sounds weird but I need a clean system then again). I will check whether that happens again. Should I file a bug if I see "Partition X does not start on physical sector boundary" when running "sudo fdisk -l" again? Or is it not important? |
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| 17:37.08 | petn-randall | rafuch0: For what? Depending on the answer we might provide you with sensible ways to do it. |
| 17:37.25 | rafuch0 | woow |
| 17:37.38 | rafuch0 | like that |
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| 17:47.23 | fellipe | hi everyone. How to install a specific version of php? Example, php 5.5.17. Is there a way to do it other than compiling it? I tried the phpvenv, but it does not build the libphp<version>.so to be loaded in apache. Is there any trick? I'm having a lot of troubles when compiling in Dockerfile. I get errors that I don't get when compiling on the host O.S |
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| 17:48.20 | alex15 | Thank you again everyone for the help, I really appreciated it! |
| 17:48.34 | greycat | ,v php5-fpm |
| 17:48.35 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u14; jessie: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
| 17:48.45 | greycat | Jessie has 5.6.33. Will that work? |
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| 18:21.52 | inoderrant | which one do you all like for erasing drives? hdparm, dd, shred, or something else? |
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| 18:24.00 | Sleaker | inoderrant: I think I've used the bootable dban tool. |
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| 18:26.00 | Sleaker | https://github.com/NHellFire/dban |
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| 18:41.42 | r4co0n | Hi, am I correct in stating that every trusted APT GPG key is able to provide a signature for any package on my system? Let's suppose Random Additional Repo Provider that I have trusted previously to be able to install package proprietary-foo, decides to ship a newer kernel than the Debian branches I am tracking. Can I circumvent this by using some kind of pinning-like mechanism, or do I need to resign and republish (myself) all packages I trust to |
| 18:41.42 | r4co0n | circumvent this? |
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| 18:42.24 | r4co0n | Apart from official packages, I mean. |
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| 18:44.24 | nkuttler | don't install third party keys? |
| 18:44.38 | jelly | r4co0n: no, apt does not track or verify signatures on separate packages. It does whole repos. |
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| 18:46.12 | jelly | r4co0n: AFAIK you can't tell it to "only accept specific packages from specific repos / origins", so yes, if you add keys for, say, apt.mysql.com, then they might push a linux-image-amd64 package newer than what's in Debian and make your machine automatically upgrade |
| 18:46.47 | jelly | pinning can do some of those things but is a PITA |
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| 18:47.21 | r4co0n | So I should use some kind of self-maintained repo management to provide packages requested by customers but not available upstream? That way, I shift the trust to my signing mechanism. I am currently looking into managing repositories with aptly, it can filter on specific package names, which ought to avoid this issue. |
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| 18:51.36 | r4co0n | (Automating it (using Ansible) to install itself from a self-published backports repository to get a new-enough version on stable was a PITA, but it can be done. I wish I could publish this code :/) |
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| 18:53.04 | r4co0n | I surely will welcome buster :) |
| 18:55.04 | Sleaker | r4co0n: once a package is downloaded there's not a way to verify it other than checking it has the same hash as another package on the remote repo |
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| 18:55.59 | Sleaker | the actual Packages list on the remote repository is what is signed via GPG |
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| 18:57.03 | r4co0n | Sleaker, we're talking about trusting certain repositories only to ship certain packages. Verifying the integrity of shipped and signed packages (or package lists, to be specific) is unproblematic. |
| 18:57.14 | Sleaker | r4co0n: correct. |
| 18:57.26 | Sleaker | I'm just outlining the limit of what apt actualyl does |
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| 18:58.25 | Sleaker | if you want to limit whic repo gives you which packages you'd have to write your own updating service to swap in different repos and to only check for certain packages from them. or generate your own repository with only the packages you want |
| 18:58.49 | Sleaker | I use the second method here at work. |
| 18:58.50 | r4co0n | Sleaker, that's exactly what I am trying to implement using aptly. |
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| 18:59.48 | Helena | sauvin is a handicapped retarded person |
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| 19:00.08 | r4co0n | Helena, no? |
| 19:00.16 | Helena | yes |
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| 19:01.23 | Sleaker | yah I haven't used aptly. I just download the packages into a directory structure and then run apt-ftparchive/dpkg-scanpackages to generate a Packages file and self-sign it with my own gpg key. |
| 19:01.32 | r4co0n | Sleaker, I plan to do different 'snapshots' of the repo for development, integration and production, across all the environments. |
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| 19:03.08 | defaultuser | hello, my problem is: cannot login on tty. tty does not wait fpr password. i only could enter username but no dialogue for entering password appears. i did a filesystem check. additional from changeroot to the affected target system i get "command not found errors" simple commands like ls, su, mkdir rm arnot available |
| 19:03.58 | r4co0n | Sleaker, here there's reprepro doing the lifting for our own packages, and a complex system in place syncing repositories for multiple distributions. (Like loads of scripts? But hey, it works.) |
| 19:05.05 | Sleaker | r4co0n: yah that seems pretty advanced. I've managed to keep everything pretty simple. my build tooling pulls down the current pacakges, symlinks into our custom ones, and then geerates a packages file for the branch, signs it then rsyncs it to a server. |
| 19:05.31 | r4co0n | Sleaker, you call it advanced, I call it 'grown'. ;) |
| 19:05.34 | Sleaker | also builds an ISO usable for installing the base system. |
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| 19:05.48 | Sleaker | hehe sure |
| 19:06.00 | Sleaker | I just really don't like using tools that do a bunch of stuff themselves. |
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| 19:06.29 | Sleaker | aptly/reprepro, etc. |
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| 19:07.24 | r4co0n | Well, it depends. If upstream is cool, I like to shift responsibilities. I rather open a bug with aptly than try to reinvent it. |
| 19:08.13 | Sleaker | sure? we don't ever do automatic pulling of upstream though. that might be the difference. |
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| 19:08.28 | Sleaker | we always hand-pick packages to upgrade. |
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| 19:10.24 | r4co0n | I would always check the new version, read the changelog and see what they have done to code, but I feel it is generally kind of against the mechanics of open source to distrust by default? |
| 19:10.57 | r4co0n | I mean, it's a gift for all real-world purposes. |
| 19:11.14 | Sleaker | oh we handpick because we have to maintain hardware/software compatibility with non-OS stuff. |
| 19:11.30 | Sleaker | sometimes there can be a funky interaction with hardware due to kernel update or something. |
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| 19:12.27 | Sleaker | or like needing to pin versions of certain libraries cause updating them breaks other non-OS stuff that's installed. |
| 19:12.56 | r4co0n | Of course, this would fail at the development stage in my case if everything goes well, if upstream skips devel, which I thought about, it fails in integration, before ever hitting the users. |
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| 19:13.09 | Sleaker | mhm |
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| 19:14.17 | r4co0n | Sleaker, you have debian-security which you should be worried about tracking. And mind the point releases. |
| 19:14.42 | Sleaker | r4co0n: I mean... our current stuff is based on trusty 14.04 ubuntu. |
| 19:14.56 | Sleaker | we haven't completed our rollout of deb9 yet. |
| 19:15.00 | Sleaker | still working on it. |
| 19:15.15 | Sleaker | and trusty is EOL.. so I don't really have to 'worry' about security updates. |
| 19:15.25 | Sleaker | other than the fact that there aren't any so it's unsafe :P |
| 19:16.07 | Sleaker | but yes, I do track security. |
| 19:16.10 | jelly | you can pay Canonical for further support of trusty. |
| 19:16.15 | Sleaker | jelly: accurate. |
| 19:16.33 | Sleaker | but then we'd be supporting canonical.. |
| 19:16.40 | Sleaker | shrugs. |
| 19:16.48 | jelly | and what's wrong with that? |
| 19:17.49 | Sleaker | not a huge fan of the direction ubuntu has gone over the last few iterations. |
| 19:18.31 | Sleaker | snaps, attempt at mobile. super focus on desktop. |
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| 19:24.26 | r4co0n | I think Canonical is not a corporation the Linux ecosphere and especially Debian and its derivates (hey, Ubuntu again) should be fearing. Though I have reminisced about the license issues incurred from re-releasing Ubuntu's continued patches. |
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| 19:25.53 | r4co0n | Snapcraft is currently broken on testing, which is a shame, as I am trying to incorporate basic E-Mail capabilities into Nextcloud's snap. |
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| 19:29.15 | r4co0n | But snaps are a solution to a problem we always wanted solved, not the only one around there, there's AppImage and FlatPak. |
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| 19:30.35 | r4co0n | It surely is the Redmond way of shipping things, but who cares if it is well maintained. And I like the default of auto-updating painlessly, think IOT. |
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| 19:32.52 | majest1c | Ctrl+Alt + F7 etc doesn't work for me, how can I fix this? |
| 19:33.20 | majest1c | I want to be able to do "{" etc |
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| 19:34.25 | greycat | I think Debian only creates 6 console virtual terminals by default. |
| 19:35.21 | r4co0n | greycat, my desktop lives on 7, I didn't configure that. |
| 19:35.22 | greycat | Hmm... in /etc/default/console-setup there is ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]" |
| 19:35.37 | greycat | You're in jessie, then, or doing something different than I am. |
| 19:35.47 | greycat | On stretch, using startx on tty1, the X session is also on tty1. |
| 19:36.03 | r4co0n | greycat, I'm on buster |
| 19:36.28 | greycat | I could double-check the buster box at home when I get home.... |
| 19:38.04 | greycat | Hmm, here's another place: in /lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service it has ExecStart=/bin/systemctl --no-block start getty@tty2.service getty@tty3.service getty@tty4.service getty@tty5.service getty@tty6.service |
| 19:38.13 | greycat | That looks more likely to be the place to change than the other one. |
| 19:38.29 | greycat | I mean, of course, you'd make an override in /etc/ not literally edit the file in /lib/. |
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| 19:40.39 | r4co0n | I think this was a change introduced in buster, that was now fixed to resemble stretch. But I don't have a box to check this on, only the memory of having to relearn to find my desktop on tty2(?) after switching to testing from stretch, until they fixed it, and I got back to my old habits. |
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| 19:44.06 | goose | Can I use a VM in Windows to install Debian to a SSD, then once I have it all set up the way I want it, shut the VM down and just drop the SSD into a headless computer and boot it up/use it? |
| 19:44.51 | BCMM | goose: yes |
| 19:44.59 | goose | Awesome. Thanks! |
| 19:45.16 | goose | Any particular VM you folks would recommend? |
| 19:45.26 | Sleaker | greycat: I'm on stretch and my desktop auto-starts on 7. |
| 19:45.57 | BCMM | goose: you *might* need to do something with the bootloader, if it's a UEFI system. i think there need to be appropriate variables in the mobo's NVRAM, in addition to the bootloader on the disc/ssd |
| 19:46.01 | greycat | There are a plethora of ways to start an X session, so I believe you, given that you didn't say "I run startx on tty1". |
| 19:46.26 | Sleaker | ah I see what you were saying. |
| 19:46.51 | greycat | And I'm *almost* positive that the switch from "I type startx on tty1 and X runs on tty7" to "I type startx on tty1 and X runs on tty1" was jessie->stretch. |
| 19:46.58 | goose | Got it. Thanks! |
| 19:47.55 | BCMM | goose: virtualbox, i guess. (basically) open-source, easy to use |
| 19:48.15 | BCMM | goose: you might already have a licence for that microsoft thing, i dunno |
| 19:48.23 | majest1c | I will ask again if somebody knows, how can I make "Ctrl + Alt + F*" work? I need it to function since I don't have an AltGr key. |
| 19:49.32 | BCMM | majest1c: what exactly is it that you want to happen when you press ctrl+alt+F*? |
| 19:49.49 | majest1c | BCMM: I want to make "{" etc, those symbols |
| 19:50.15 | BCMM | majest1c: ... is that a normal use of the F keys on your keyboard layout? |
| 19:50.24 | greycat | I'm not the only one who's completely confused here, right? |
| 19:50.25 | BCMM | or are you trying to bind them to custom actions? |
| 19:50.38 | majest1c | So for example: "Ctrl+Alt+F7" should produce "{", and yes that is a normal use of the F keys on my keyboard, works perfectly in windows. |
| 19:50.56 | BCMM | majest1c: like, it's actually printed on the keyboard? what sort of KB is this? |
| 19:51.18 | majest1c | Yes it is printed on the keyboard. It is a Ducky One with swedish keyboard layout |
| 19:51.51 | greycat | What sadistic Swedish bastard decided that (s)he hates programmers and wants them to suffer horribly? |
| 19:52.07 | majest1c | It works on windows, not on debian |
| 19:52.07 | greycat | And can you buy a real keyboard somewhere? |
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| 19:52.35 | majest1c | So basically I want the same functionality in Debian as in Windows |
| 19:53.02 | greycat | How are you planning to switch virtual consoles if you disable the NORMAL FUNCTIONALITY of virtual console switching which is what Ctrl-Alt-F7 (et al) does? |
| 19:53.07 | majest1c | Yeah I will buy a smaller keyboard later, but right now this will due. I just need to Ctrl+Alt+F* to work. |
| 19:53.14 | greycat | Even assuming you can somehow do that. |
| 19:53.26 | greycat | You keep saying "work". |
| 19:53.31 | greycat | This is not your goal. |
| 19:53.47 | majest1c | What do you mean by switching virtual consoles? |
| 19:53.54 | greycat | Your goal is to completely rewire all of the stuff that Linux has done with the console keyboard for 3 decades and replace it. |
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| 19:54.10 | greycat | Are you not aware of what Ctrl-Alt-F2 and friends actually does? |
| 19:54.22 | majest1c | Dude, my Ctrl+Alt does not even work |
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| 19:54.51 | majest1c | (For some weird reason) It works in windows |
| 19:55.03 | greycat | You keep saying "work" without explaining what it means. |
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| 19:55.47 | majest1c | Well Ctrl+Alt+F* does not do anything, and you claim it should do something. For example in Windows Ctrl+Alt+F7 Produce "{", but in Debian, for me, it does *Nothing* |
| 19:55.59 | BCMM | majest1c: just to be clear, it's the actual F keys (the absolute top row of the keyboard) that should type { and } in swedish? not the regular number keys (directly above the alphabet)? |
| 19:56.01 | greycat | Fuck c-a-f7. What does Ctrl-Alt-F2 do? |
| 19:56.18 | majest1c | Ctrl+Alt+F2 does nothing |
| 19:56.24 | majest1c | Nothing happens |
| 19:56.29 | greycat | ... then I don't think we can do anything here. |
| 19:56.46 | majest1c | BCMM: Yes if using Ctrl+Alt+F* |
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| 19:56.48 | greycat | At least *I* can't. This sorcery is beyond me. |
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| 19:57.11 | majest1c | Is there not a setting in gnome-tweak-tool that can fix this that you know of? |
| 19:57.23 | greycat | You're in GNOME? Oh, you poor fucker. |
| 19:57.35 | majest1c | lol |
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| 19:58.05 | BCMM | i mean i'm not swedish and i haven't used a swedish keyboard, it's just that every picture i can find of a swedish keyboard has { on 7, not F7 |
| 19:58.38 | majest1c | BCMM: Shit, sorry, my bad, I meant "7" all the time... |
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| 19:58.54 | BCMM | majest1c: dude, i *specifically asked about that* already! |
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| 19:59.18 | greycat | The entire question just changed. |
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| 19:59.30 | majest1c | Yeah, so maybe there is hope to fix this now? |
| 19:59.56 | BCMM | greycat: if i may interpret for a moment: on a swedish keyboard, { is typed with AltGr+7. majest1c's keyboard has no AltGr key, and he wants Ctrl+Alt to emulate AltGr |
| 20:00.04 | BCMM | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Sweden.svg for reference |
| 20:00.12 | n4dir | can't you just setxkbmap <whatever> ? |
| 20:00.24 | n4dir | en is probably fine. |
| 20:00.29 | BCMM | majest1c: is this right? you just want ctrl+alt to act like altgr? |
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| 20:00.56 | majest1c | BCMM: I have an AltGr key but I does not work, it is out of function, so I need Ctrl+Alt to emulate it |
| 20:01.31 | BCMM | well, i have to go now. but good luck with it... |
| 20:01.48 | r4co0n | So this is the Swedish layout: http://johanegustafsson.net/projects/swerty/ |
| 20:01.56 | majest1c | r4co0n: Yes |
| 20:02.12 | majest1c | So in Windows "Ctrl+Alt+7" produces "{", and I want the same result in Debian |
| 20:02.17 | r4co0n | Look where you find "{" |
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| 20:03.20 | EdePopede | Ctrl+Alt = AltGr also on windows, or not? |
| 20:03.31 | majest1c | Yes |
| 20:03.46 | majest1c | Apparently, since Ctrl+Alt+7 produces "{", just as AltGr+7 would |
| 20:04.00 | majest1c | Now I just need the same functionality in Debian |
| 20:04.09 | majest1c | (since my AltGr key is broken) |
| 20:04.39 | ayekat | Ctrl+Alt is gonna clash with a lot of keybindings, though - not sure if that's a good idea |
| 20:04.40 | EdePopede | and it is a question of using the correct layout. had somehow a T2 on wheezy, then stretch came in with T3 finally. using IBus. it crashed some weeks ago and until restart i was at the old layout again |
| 20:04.56 | jelly | or just map AltGr somewhere else? |
| 20:05.04 | r4co0n | If you map your keyboard to German [AltGr]+[7] will produce "{" |
| 20:05.14 | EdePopede | hint: nobody needs capslock |
| 20:05.19 | greycat | he says his AltGr key is physically broken |
| 20:05.29 | greycat | I do like EdePopede's idea though |
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| 20:06.12 | greycat | mapping CapsLock to AltGr might actually be achievable without advanced sorcery |
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| 20:07.01 | majest1c | I just need Ctrl+Alt to work as AltGr or something, this is default behavior in Windows, so why would this not be doable in Debian? |
| 20:07.13 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:07.19 | greycat | because this isn't Fucking Windows?! |
| 20:07.36 | EdePopede | and evem more usable. just try to get C-{ using AltGr without breaking your fingers. |
| 20:07.39 | r4co0n | reconfiguring keymaps was not so much sorcery last time i tried it. But that was 5 years ago. |
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| 20:08.11 | r4co0n | But probably far beyond what EdePopede is willing to do. |
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| 20:08.23 | majest1c | The things we can do today but not even make Ctrl+Alt work as AltGr in Debian |
| 20:08.41 | greycat | because literally NOBODY IN THE WORLD BUT YOU wants it! |
| 20:08.45 | EdePopede | xmodmap |
| 20:08.50 | greycat | it is not a thing anyone has ever asked for befoer! |
| 20:08.52 | greycat | JESUS |
| 20:09.10 | r4co0n | EdePopede, you solved your problem, go and have fun. |
| 20:09.14 | majest1c | Dude, what if a swedish dude's AltGr key stops working, then he wants that functionalty |
| 20:09.25 | greycat | why can't you just accept the solution we GAVE |
| 20:09.29 | majest1c | Or german for that matter, apparently they have the same functionality |
| 20:09.30 | ayekat | r4co0n: you are aware it's nod EdePopede asking for help? :-) |
| 20:09.40 | jelly | swedes probably can afford to fix their keyboard |
| 20:09.51 | r4co0n | ayekat, now i am, sorry for the spam |
| 20:10.02 | majest1c | Because I dont want to get accustomed to use Caps as AltGr |
| 20:10.03 | EdePopede | jelly: using their IKEA tool? :D |
| 20:10.35 | EdePopede | majest1c: then use AltGr as AltGr. |
| 20:10.38 | ayekat | majest1c: well, then write your own layout that behaves the way you want - because it doesn't exist yet |
| 20:10.46 | majest1c | It is physically broken EdePopede |
| 20:11.01 | EdePopede | !xy-problem |
| 20:11.03 | EdePopede | hm? |
| 20:11.54 | majest1c | Can't I just make bindings, such that Ctrl+Alt+7 produces what I want etc? |
| 20:12.10 | ayekat | xmodmap² |
| 20:12.10 | EdePopede | majest1c: Ctrl+Alt goes back to the days where people didn't have MF-II keyboards yet. |
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| 20:12.40 | greycat | The god damned fucking XCompose(5) man page has NO EXAMPLES of modifier keys. |
| 20:13.37 | greycat | Neither does /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose |
| 20:14.13 | EdePopede | always got stuck when trying to understand what was going on in /usr/share/X11/xkb |
| 20:14.47 | greycat | HAH I MADE A THING HAPPEN BY BRUTE FORCE TRIAL AND ERROR |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | Ctrl <7> : "{" |
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| 20:15.06 | greycat | APPARENTLY NONE OF THE PARENTHESES IN THE MAN PAGE ARE LITERAL |
| 20:15.16 | nkuttler | instructions unclear. my keyboard is broken now |
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| 20:15.35 | greycat | Now to see if we can extend this to TWO modifiers, again by brute force trial and error.... |
| 20:15.49 | Stx | Gotta love them caps on a Friday night. |
| 20:15.52 | r4co0n | See this for modifying Super_L to Ctrl |
| 20:15.58 | r4co0n | https://askubuntu.com/questions/137172/how-to-remap-superleft-key-to-control-key |
| 20:16.13 | greycat | r4co0n: he REFUSED to accept a SIMPLE solution of mapping CapsLock to AltGr |
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| 20:16.29 | r4co0n | Then, what do we bother? |
| 20:16.39 | Stx | redirects greycat´s caps-lock to /dev/null |
| 20:16.41 | nkuttler | i get so confused when my capslock key locks caps.. |
| 20:16.54 | majest1c | Certainly there must be a way to map "Ctrl+Alt+7" to { |
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| 20:17.12 | greycat | THEN FUCKING FIGURE IT OUT |
| 20:17.20 | greycat | I AM FUCKING TRYING BUT YOU ARE JUST ENRAGING ME |
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| 20:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe time for da chill pill? |
| 20:17.34 | majest1c | I'm not going back to windows |
| 20:17.36 | greycat | You know what? This is not worth my time and aggravation. *plonk* |
| 20:17.44 | nkuttler | xmodmap is a thing |
| 20:18.07 | ayekat | majest1c: there is a way, but since nobody's done it yet (because who in their right mind would want that?), you'll be the first one to do it |
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| 20:19.15 | ayekat | majest1c: and you've been pointed at xmodmap 3 times now - so there, people have even given you the tool to do what you want |
| 20:19.18 | r4co0n | majest1c, you have a broken keyboard. You can fix this with software, but you will have to make compromises while doing so. |
| 20:19.42 | jelly | does "xmodmap <(echo keycode 0x42 = ISO_Level3_Shift)" and now has two AltGrs. Oh noes. |
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| 20:20.14 | ayekat | oh, spare AltGrs - always handy when one breaks :-P |
| 20:20.17 | jelly | quickly puts CapsLock back to noop |
| 20:20.39 | r4co0n | That's why you always have multiple keyboards connected. |
| 20:20.53 | majest1c | ayekat: Isnt xmodmap for single keys? |
| 20:20.57 | jelly | that is true, but they're connected to different computers |
| 20:21.07 | jelly | majest1c: AltGr is a single key |
| 20:21.18 | greycat | Again, we offered multiple times to have him map ONE KEY (CapsLock) to ONE KEY (AltGr) but he refused. |
| 20:21.50 | jelly | in interest of saving greycat's sanity I propose moving on |
| 20:22.22 | greycat | I also found a stackexchange link from someone who claims to have got a two-modifier key sequence to work in XCompose but it did not work for ME following the same format. |
| 20:22.25 | EdePopede | majest1c: there's no difference in using either capslock or ctrl+alt as replacement for a broken altgr. in both cases you'd have the same problem when using another computer. your solution won't work with it. |
| 20:22.54 | EdePopede | and in the case of capslock it is simply ONE command to change it, and ONE command to change it back. |
| 20:22.55 | ayekat | majest1c: perhaps - I've never tried mapping multiple keys to one - if it doesn't work, writing your own layout surely will work |
| 20:23.02 | jelly | greycat: XCompose has not had decent docs for 20 years now and probably never will |
| 20:23.04 | greycat | I did get a ONE modifier key sequence to work by trial and error, and pasted it earlier. |
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| 20:24.48 | ayekat | majest1c: ... or xcompose, as shown by greycat |
| 20:25.17 | majest1c | I will be the first one making this work, even before greycat |
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| 20:26.02 | jelly | I'd probably abuse the Menu key instead of Ctrl+Alt which has many preexisting key combos, some enforced by kernel |
| 20:26.08 | jhutchins_wk | Different keyboards have different modifier keys. |
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| 20:26.39 | jelly | Right now my Menu key is a Compose key. ⥠|
| 20:27.00 | greycat | I turn my Windows key into Compose. |
| 20:27.14 | jelly | Compose on left? Blasphemy. |
| 20:27.25 | EdePopede | Win_R? |
| 20:27.30 | jelly | it's like you've never used a DEC terminal |
| 20:27.31 | greycat | I know, right. But some keyboards have one, and some have two. |
| 20:27.44 | greycat | KB at home has two, so I made the *right* Windows key into Compose. |
| 20:27.51 | greycat | KB at work has one, on the left :( |
| 20:28.01 | jelly | I guess I have a Sun Type 6 USB keyboard with an actual Compose key... somewhere |
| 20:28.29 | jelly | it also has a Help key! No help there... |
| 20:28.51 | EdePopede | are those ancient keyboards still usable today? there were no PS/2 and USB ones back then.. |
| 20:29.03 | jelly | and proper Copy and Paste instead of silly combos |
| 20:29.30 | cheapie | My keyboard goes control, super, alt, space, altgr, super, compose, control along the bottom. |
| 20:29.39 | majest1c | greycat: I got it working now |
| 20:29.42 | jhutchins_wk | For me it was the old IBM snorkel terminals. Lots o' extra keys on them. |
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| 20:30.05 | majest1c | I used xbindkeys and xvkbd |
| 20:30.22 | greycat | My work KB's bottom row is Ctrl Win Alt space Alt Fn Menu Ctrl |
| 20:30.23 | EdePopede | wanted to have one of those they used at the bank counter. 24 F keys. |
| 20:30.25 | cheapie | Also it turns out "setxkbmap -rules evdev -model evdev -layout us -variant altgr-intl" is the magic line to make AltGr work *without* breaking everything else in the process. |
| 20:30.44 | cheapie | EdePopede: https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/PC122 |
| 20:31.04 | majest1c | {}}][[[]][][}}]\\\ |
| 20:31.23 | EdePopede | cheapie: could be :) |
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| 20:42.36 | greycat | OK, I don't know what's going on here, but it seems like a bug. In .XCompose I'm doing Ctrl Alt <7> : "{" and in xterm it generates û (c3 bb), and in urxvt it generates ESC { (1b 7b). |
| 20:44.12 | greycat | I get similar results from Ctrl Alt <q> so it's not just a weird interaction with a numeric key. |
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| 20:46.05 | majest1c | You can use xbindkeys and xvkbd to make it work apparently |
| 20:46.13 | greycat | I just launched a Tk window with a text widget, and inside that, I can use my Compose-based sequences like α β but I get no visible result from either of the two-modifier sequences I defined. |
| 20:46.59 | majest1c | https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/184886 |
| 20:47.09 | greycat | Debian 9, fvwm session started by startx. No wayland, etc. |
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| 20:55.28 | greycat | Ctrl Shift <7> is "fun" as well. In xterm I get & (26) and in urxvt I get ^G (07). It's like xterm ignores the Ctrl and urxvt ignores the Shift and both of them ignore the XCompose entry. |
| 20:55.53 | greycat | Same result with or without the leading ! character in the .XCompose file. |
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| 20:59.41 | bingbotboom | does irssi got text to speech |
| 21:00.33 | greycat | irssi runs in a terminal; I would imagine the question is whether you can get your terminal's contents to be turned into speech (I don't know the answer) |
| 21:00.53 | Unit193 | Technically not that I know of, but once for the heck of it I did some tail -f of the log piped through grep -Po feeding into espeak. |
| 21:01.07 | greycat | Ah, with a log. Yeah, that might work. |
| 21:01.19 | EdePopede | also tried C-S in xterm. usually the same results as with Shift only, but some produce control sequences. S-Ã (?) and so with added Ctrl it deletes. same fore S-7 (/) |
| 21:02.02 | greycat | EdePopede: sounds like nobody has tried to actually use this XCompose modifier stuff in recent times |
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| 21:05.09 | EdePopede | greycat: iirc the kernel supports up to 8 modifier keys. that's a lot of combinations ;) |
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| 21:07.13 | EdePopede | and i still haven't figured out all of the columns in the files from the symbols subdirectory, and i see no more than 8 right now |
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| 21:12.36 | greycat | I just tried Ctrl <&> and Alt <&> in an attempt to get Ctrl-Shift-7 and/or Alt-Shift-7 to work. Neither one worked. |
| 21:12.52 | greycat | Near as I can tell, it's totally broken. |
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| 21:16.55 | EdePopede | what about letters? at least that's a real lower/upper case |
| 21:17.54 | greycat | Feel free to try. I'm going home now. |
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| 21:18.54 | xVim | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 21:20.46 | EdePopede | xVim: majest1c wanted to map a broken AltGr to Ctrl+Alt (hello windows). and then greycat started playing around with XCompose. which didn't seem to work as expected. |
| 21:21.26 | xVim | I see :) |
| 21:21.59 | EdePopede | compositing, multiple layers, dead keys, different shift behaviour, and docs are old |
| 21:22.18 | xVim | I have a lot of my modifiers and compose stuff embedded in hardware, but it is not the best solution either |
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| 21:22.53 | EdePopede | too many keys? |
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| 21:23.07 | xVim | Keys I have more than enough |
| 21:23.27 | xVim | But the problem is that hardware can only transmit a limited amount of characters, no special ones |
| 21:23.29 | majest1c | EdePopede: I have already fixed this, binding Ctrl+Alt+7 -> 0 to whatever I want now |
| 21:23.45 | EdePopede | mplayer is funny. both enter keys usually have the same effect, only mplayer refuses to react on "Send" :) |
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| 21:24.03 | EdePopede | but you opened the abyss, majest1c! |
| 21:24.23 | xVim | I have 32 layers on my hardware keyboard, and tons of modifier keys. But you cannot transmit characters like ü over a hardware keyboard |
| 21:24.46 | xVim | So having so many modifier keys or layers does not help. |
| 21:24.48 | EdePopede | thir. ty. two. oh. wow. that's quite a bit more than T3, isn't it? |
| 21:25.12 | xVim | It is insane |
| 21:25.42 | xVim | I own a Happy Hacking Keyboard and use tmk_keyboard |
| 21:25.47 | xVim | very cool concept |
| 21:26.11 | xVim | I have some buttons that perform a hardware macro, like write out my full name (in hardware) |
| 21:26.17 | xVim | or address :) |
| 21:26.23 | EdePopede | at least the printing doesn't disappear after some time :) |
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| 21:28.06 | xVim | I was very frustrated when I heard that it is not possible to transmit special chars over the keyboard. So now I transmit the Compose Key followed by normal keys, but I always still have to set the compose key. There is AFAIK no way for a keyboard to transmit special chars that work both in Windows and Linux |
| 21:28.37 | EdePopede | xVim: do you have a reading starting point on /usr/share/X11/xkb by accident? last time i really cared about it i still had to use `startx` ;) |
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| 21:30.09 | xVim | EdePopede: Sorry I don't, I am not familiar with it |
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| 21:31.13 | xVim | As I said, I am just familiar with C-programming my keyboard firmware with tmk_keyboard |
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| 21:41.23 | debian111 | Hi |
| 21:41.51 | debian111 | When I open a pdf magazine with the document viewer I only get gibberish in the pdf. Why could this be? |
| 21:43.12 | debian111 | Also letters overlap. Unreadable ... |
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| 21:49.29 | mebus | Hi! Is it possible to turn on predictable network interface names on a updated Debian stretch? |
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| 21:51.00 | icarious | I have a question, an I don't want to start a flamewar here, or to be driven to #devuan. Will it be possible to run Buster clean off systemd with openrc+sysvinit properly? I mostly do debootstrap installs. |
| 21:51.53 | Sleaker | icarious: probably depends on what you install and if the packages are available. |
| 21:52.18 | Sleaker | devuan specifically had to recompile some packages to get systemd-less i believe. |
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| 21:52.54 | icarious | Yes they did. But I prefer stock Debian, cause I don't know if they are tinkering with the system BEYOND their actual focus of systemd-free. |
| 21:53.14 | Sleaker | icarious: if it requires recompiled packages it wont work without recompiled packages... |
| 21:53.14 | icarious | I mostly use a lightweight GTK+ only system with i3 and pcmanfm |
| 21:53.26 | Sleaker | hence forking debian. |
| 21:53.30 | Unit193 | icarious: There's some efforts going in to being able to use elogind, but as far as I know it's not there yet. |
| 21:53.44 | icarious | Unit193: yes I use elogind too |
| 21:53.51 | icarious | Ok. Will check these |
| 21:53.57 | Sleaker | you'd probably have more luck asking in devuan if it's possible as they are basically maintaining the changes needed to get systemd-less |
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| 21:54.13 | icarious | Sleaker: Ok. I will do that |
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| 21:55.39 | bzed | mebus: I think removeing the generated udev rules file (and maybe the generator) should be enough. look into /etc/udev/rules.d or so |
| 21:56.22 | icarious | So Buster has entered hard freeze now? |
| 21:56.40 | Unit193 | Yes. |
| 21:57.58 | mebus | bzed: in /dev/udev/rules.d are only rules for a cdrom drive |
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| 21:59.35 | icarious | Unit193: Thanks |
| 21:59.36 | xVim | debian111: Is the pdf corrupted? Have you tried opening it with another pdf viewer? Default is I think evince, may try okular or qpdfview |
| 22:00.54 | mebus | any ideas? |
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| 22:07.46 | mebus | I can find tutorials on how to disable predictable interface names, but none on how to enable them.... :-P |
| 22:07.48 | Unit193 | mebus: Presuming you aren't booting with net.ifnames set and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules doesn't exist, you can check if 75-persistent-net-generator.rules exists anywhere and if it does perhaps symlink a file with the same name in /etc/udev/rules.d/ to /dev/null? |
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| 22:09.05 | mebus | locate persistent-net returns nothing |
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| 22:11.42 | Unit193 | And you checked /proc/cmdline? Well, you could try net.ifnames=1 :P |
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| 22:56.51 | tony` | hi |
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| 23:09.06 | KNERD | wow.channel been dead all day |
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| 23:11.23 | n4dir | hasn't been dead when i was here earlier. |
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| 23:12.15 | KNERD | newet message was 20 minutes ago. Before that over 12 hours |
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| 23:12.37 | KNERD | like 14 hours |
| 23:13.03 | n4dir | then i must have dreamt it. Don't make me go through the trouble and check if irssi has logs |
| 23:13.38 | KNERD | i have logs via my bouncer |
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| 23:14.42 | KNERD | RIght now if it 5:14 PM my time. Here is last message I see |
| 23:14.53 | KNERD | <Unit193> [22:11:42] And you checked /proc/cmdline? Well, you could try net.ifnames=1 :P |
| 23:15.08 | KNERD | more like 18 hours |
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| 23:15.51 | n4dir | then something is wrong with your logs. There was a long lasting discussion about keyboard settings ca 4 hours ago |
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| 23:27.19 | KNERD | maybe ran out. I have it set to 50k lines of buffer |
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| 23:38.31 | mikeliss | Fun and naive question. I have git code. Where *ideally* would it go on a server? |
| 23:39.02 | KNERD | WHile trying to compile an application, I am getting this error -> can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC . What is the correct methos? I have tried ".configure cxxflags="-fPIC" |
| 23:39.27 | KNERD | mikeliss: Whever your ideal place you want it to go |
| 23:39.45 | mikeliss | Super helpful KNERD, thanks. :) |
| 23:42.12 | EdePopede | KNERD: could it be your client runs on localtime and your bnc on utc? |
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| 23:45.03 | KNERD | Then how many hours ago did you type this? <EdePopede> [21:28:37] xVim: do you have a reading starting point on /usr/share/X11/xkb by accident? last time i really cared about it i still had to use `startx` ;) |
| 23:45.33 | KNERD | Nearly 6 PM here now, |
| 23:45.39 | EdePopede | KNERD: something more than 2hrs ago |
| 23:46.07 | KNERD | that could also mean a week ago :-) |
| 23:46.35 | KNERD | but yes, I guess I need to check the time out |
| 23:46.48 | ChmEarl | KNERD, re: -fPIC `dpkg-buildflags --list` |
| 23:46.51 | EdePopede | i know that 1 dog year makes 7 human years, but where are 2 hours one week? ;) |
| 23:47.14 | EdePopede | unless you're stuck in a timeloop |
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| 23:47.59 | ChmEarl | KNERD, -fPIC is part of hardening |
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| 23:48.58 | KNERD | ChmEarl: CFLAGS CPPFLAGS CXXFLAGS FCFLAGS FFLAGS GCJFLAGS LDFLAGS OBJCFLAGS OBJCXXFLAGS |
| 23:49.19 | ChmEarl | KNERD sorry -fPIE is part of hardening, not PIC |
| 23:49.27 | KNERD | EdePopede: You wrote "something more than 2hrs ago" |
| 23:50.51 | EdePopede | "more than $X" usually means ]$X; ${X+1}[ |
| 23:50.53 | KNERD | ChmEarl: then is ./configure cxxflags="-fPIC" correct? I still get the same compiel error |
| 23:51.59 | ChmEarl | KNERD, check your config.log... that flag should be appended |
| 23:52.40 | ChmEarl | KNERD, man dpkg-buildflags good discussion |
| 23:52.54 | KNERD | okay thanks |
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