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| 00:21.18 | SDr | hi guys, using Jessie in a docker build, I'm getting: W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 00:21.53 | SDr | and that file indeed does not exists. This broke all our docker builds today. |
| 00:23.25 | KNERD | Di dyou read the Topic? |
| 00:24.05 | SDr | okay, erm, why did it needed to be removed? |
| 00:24.11 | SDr | and what's the upgrade path? |
| 00:24.24 | Arrowmaster | upgrade to stretch |
| 00:25.18 | Arrowmaster | then buster later this year |
| 00:25.32 | KNERD | Not sure. I heard mention a discussion on bringing them bacl |
| 00:25.36 | KNERD | *back |
| 00:28.04 | aloo_shu | ah, on a side note: how will wheezy & wheezy-backports repo lines be affected? |
| 00:28.44 | aloo_shu | smthg archive smthg? |
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| 00:30.58 | KNERD | yes.. |
| 00:31.32 | KNERD | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html |
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| 00:40.05 | aloo_shu | KNERD: so in this line deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free , changing 'ftp' to 'archive' would suffice, the rest being sorted out by the pkg management? |
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| 00:40.34 | KNERD | I would not know |
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| 00:41.29 | aloo_shu | I'll try |
| 00:41.42 | guiverc | SDr, https://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=947 may be related |
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| 00:52.42 | aloo_shu | KNERD: worked totally fine, the one err I get, is http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/main/binary-armhf/Packages , that's the deb-multimedia project |
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| 00:54.20 | aloo_shu | ahh, ok: 22/03/2019 : |
| 00:54.21 | aloo_shu | Wheezy has been moved to https://archive.deb-mulimedia.org |
| 00:54.31 | aloo_shu | :) |
| 00:54.55 | aloo_shu | <3 |
| 00:55.27 | johnjay | hi |
| 00:55.30 | johnjay | i'm having a problem with dhclient |
| 00:55.45 | johnjay | specifically it refuses to get me an IP when my router resets |
| 00:55.57 | johnjay | and i have to type "sudo dhclient" at the command line manually. is there a way to overcome this? |
| 00:56.26 | johnjay | i guess i have 2 dhclient processes running atm |
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| 01:00.45 | aloo_shu | ok, my old wheezy's aptitude doesn't know a method for https, using http, it complains about a missing signature, list could not get verified. I take it that's a warning rather than an error? |
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| 01:01.35 | aloo_shu | missing key |
| 01:02.26 | CarlFK | should I post this somewhere: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wBTWbVdN45/ WARNING: CPU: 3 PID: 11696 at /build/linux-dyUzLW/linux-4.9.144/fs/sysfs/group.c:237 device_del+0x54/0x260 |
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| 01:13.25 | whipplek | how can I disable the "Terminated" messages I get when a background process is killed? |
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| 01:13.57 | whipplek | I've got a cron job whose process is killed by an external script and it's sending mails containing nothing but "Terminated" which eats up my 300 email a day limit |
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| 01:27.43 | aloo_shu | whipplek: try appending > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 01:31.27 | aloo_shu | probably to the crontab entry, OR to the kill command, whatever it is that gives the 'Terminated' msg, prolly it's the trrminated process' last word |
| 01:35.27 | aloo_shu | whipplek: that's supposed to redirect msgs to the void (/dev/null) instead of stdout / stderr, from where something else that you could also try to disable must be picking messages to mail |
| 01:38.54 | whipplek | I added a second line to the kill command using wait ${pid} 2> /dev/null |
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| 01:43.24 | aloo_shu | I'd lie if I'd say I was on top of bash syntax :), just wanted to give the idea |
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| 01:44.52 | aloo_shu | you still want to figure/test if 'Terminated' belongs to the killing or the killed process as output |
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| 02:03.03 | CarlFK | trap might work http://redsymbol.net/articles/bash-exit-traps/ |
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| 02:13.34 | ferd | Hello everyone |
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| 02:13.55 | wintermute2 | Hi, is there an estimation when Gnome 3.32 will make it into unstable or testing? |
| 02:14.18 | awal1 | ,v gnome |
| 02:14.19 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+13; buster: 1:3.30+1 |
| 02:14.57 | awal1 | buster newer than sid ? |
| 02:15.01 | awal1 | hm |
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| 02:16.56 | awal1 | Have never seen such a shit, Windows 10... |
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| 02:17.37 | Bjornn | buster will be the next release awal1 |
| 02:17.54 | Bjornn | sid is for testing |
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| 02:18.07 | awal1 | Bjornn, i know; i was reffering to gnome versions |
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| 02:18.18 | awal1 | testing vs unstable |
| 02:18.23 | awal1 | ,v gnome |
| 02:18.25 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+13; buster: 1:3.30+1 |
| 02:18.35 | awal1 | i see testing having newer version |
| 02:18.58 | Bjornn | sid as I understanding is just for testing and development |
| 02:19.14 | Bjornn | buster will eventually be debian 10 |
| 02:19.55 | awal1 | i use sid, not sure about stable versions |
| 02:20.03 | awal1 | 10 seems yeah |
| 02:20.17 | awal1 | dpkg: stable version |
| 02:20.17 | dpkg | awal1: I give up, what is it? |
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| 02:20.30 | Bjornn | !sid |
| 02:20.31 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 02:20.40 | awal1 | dpkg: stable |
| 02:20.40 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 02:20.58 | awal1 | stretch 9.x so buster 10.x |
| 02:21.12 | Bjornn | ye, that's right |
| 02:22.13 | Bjornn | guessing release somewhere in the mid summer |
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| 02:22.32 | Bjornn | I'm still on 9.8 I think. |
| 02:22.52 | awal1 | april/may i guess. like 5 years running sid and all fine, never broken |
| 02:23.08 | awal1 | 9.9 now i guess stretch is |
| 02:23.31 | awal1 | no, 9.8 i see in debian site |
| 02:23.44 | Bjornn | I thought about running sid but the docs scared me off |
| 02:24.13 | awal1 | not suitable if for work/business purposes |
| 02:24.39 | awal1 | daily home use, if you have a bit of time to manage bugs sometimes, suitable yes |
| 02:28.02 | Bjornn | I was looking at qute browser which I guess is only under sid, so I was not able to get on stretch |
| 02:28.25 | johnjay | qute as in Qt? |
| 02:28.31 | johnjay | that's a new browser to me |
| 02:28.50 | Bjornn | that's how they spell it qutebrowser |
| 02:29.21 | Bjornn | mostly keyboard control I guess is the idea |
| 02:29.37 | Bjornn | lunuxy, like emacs controls I would say |
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| 02:30.04 | johnjay | well, emacs already has some kind of browser in it |
| 02:30.08 | Bjornn | some of the libs are not available in stretch no matter how hard you work at it |
| 02:30.13 | johnjay | i guess vim might as well if you're into that |
| 02:30.32 | Bjornn | I just thought the browser would be cool to try |
| 02:30.39 | johnjay | fun fact about text mode browsing, even though w3m can load images, elinks actually loads some basic javascript |
| 02:30.43 | Bjornn | without a spying and crap from the big names |
| 02:31.18 | Bjornn | I guess all the browsers eventually start collecting data and selling it. |
| 02:31.40 | johnjay | there are some privacy ones |
| 02:31.52 | johnjay | duckduckgo browser, brave, probably others i can't think of |
| 02:32.04 | johnjay | i assume they would have to limit javascript somehow |
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| 02:35.33 | Bjornn | opera is nice with some built in ad blocking and mini vpn |
| 02:35.39 | awal1 | firefox with vampiror extension |
| 02:35.42 | Bjornn | but that is not safe, from my experience |
| 02:35.52 | awal1 | not sure if called vampiror or vampire |
| 02:36.07 | awal1 | maybe it is no longer out there |
| 02:36.17 | johnjay | did noscript ever go away? |
| 02:36.22 | johnjay | or is that still a thing |
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| 02:36.28 | awal1 | it still i guess |
| 02:36.40 | awal1 | ,v xul-ext-noscript |
| 02:36.41 | judd | Package: xul-ext-noscript on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.6.8.19-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.9.0.11-1~deb8u1; buster: 10.1.9.6-2; sid: 10.1.9.6-2 |
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| 02:37.41 | awal1 | probably obsolete since ff doesn't support xul stuff anymore i think |
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| 02:38.18 | Bjornn | firefox has a beta out that supposed to be improving security and such. |
| 02:38.32 | Bjornn | I had heard firefox was not safe due to sandbox issues |
| 02:38.41 | awal1 | ff is everyday more heavy and slower vs chromium/chrome |
| 02:38.48 | johnjay | There is no quantum, only xul. |
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| 02:39.04 | Bjornn | I don't like google but they make a great browser |
| 02:39.10 | awal1 | yep |
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| 02:39.15 | Bjornn | I hate to use it, for the privacy thing but I do anyway |
| 02:39.24 | awal1 | same here:D |
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| 02:44.06 | Mathisen | chromium is better then chrome privacy vice |
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| 02:45.25 | daniel-s | Hi. have backports for Jessie been discontinued. I get this for jessie-backports, but not for other repos that are also at ftp.debian.org |
| 02:45.25 | johnjay | i think chromium is the FOSS version right? so it won't do flash? |
| 02:45.27 | daniel-s | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: ::1 8118] |
| 02:45.50 | johnjay | daniel-s: did you apt-get update first? |
| 02:46.06 | daniel-s | Yeah |
| 02:46.18 | Mathisen | johnjay, well there is pepper-flash for that |
| 02:46.23 | daniel-s | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:46.50 | daniel-s | That's the line, so I don't know if it's the update or the upgrade command during which that error comes. |
| 02:47.11 | daniel-s | I'm assuming the former since it's probably returning with an error. |
| 02:47.35 | awal1 | something have changed recently for some repos, moving |
| 02:48.01 | awal1 | not sure if lts, oldstable or what |
| 02:48.18 | awal1 | check news/userlists |
| 02:48.23 | daniel-s | OK |
| 02:49.50 | Mathisen | daniel-s, can confirm that jessie-backports are removed from the swedish mirrors also i use |
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| 02:50.26 | daniel-s | OK, thanks. I was planning on upgrading to the new stable now. This is a laptop that has had everything important backed up. |
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| 02:51.03 | daniel-s | So I was just going to change jessie to stretch and upgrade. I guess I will no longer need backports. |
| 02:52.08 | awal1 | google "Removal of Wheezy and Jessie (except LTS) from mirrors" |
| 02:52.32 | awal1 | maybe that is what you want |
| 02:53.30 | awal1 | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html |
| 02:58.02 | awal1 | looks like no:P |
| 03:04.05 | daniel-s | awal1: Mathisen: Thanks :-) |
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| 03:09.58 | kreyren | debian doesn't work without SELinux? |
| 03:10.16 | kreyren | removed it from kernel and nothing works (chromium, firefox, sudo) |
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| 03:13.15 | KNERD | you could of just disabled it |
| 03:13.30 | kreyren | how do i use it without it? |
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| 03:14.10 | KNERD | compile your own kernel? |
| 03:14.34 | kreyren | yep with MuQSS + CPU arch patches (planning PaX) |
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| 03:24.55 | CarlFK | kreyren: why did you disable it? |
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| 03:26.53 | KNERD | he wrote, removed, not disabled |
| 03:29.43 | CarlFK | ah. yeah. that. why? |
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| 03:34.40 | kreyren | CarlFK: i dont like security holes in my system |
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| 03:59.56 | awal1 | kreyren how can you afirm it is a security hole? |
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| 04:06.12 | kreyren | awal1: afirm it meaning |
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| 04:08.20 | awal1 | kreyren, how you deduced it is a security hole |
| 04:08.46 | awal1 | or just a web paranoia ? |
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| 04:20.24 | bkm | so, I downloaded, burned the Beowulf mini.iso from https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ after burning it to CD and going thru the standard install I got past the IP6 setup/config then error for 'No kernel modules were found' ... is this expected? |
| 04:20.37 | awal1 | kreyren, i am not a computing security expert but I don't think that gnu/linux devs / experts are dumbs ;) |
| 04:21.22 | kreyren | awal1: it's made by untrusted developer (NSA).. |
| 04:21.44 | awal1 | well, ... |
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| 04:22.11 | awal1 | the code is free |
| 04:22.46 | awal1 | dpkg:SELinux |
| 04:22.47 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
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| 04:23.22 | kreyren | Company which business plan is to exploit security holes in OS to the extent which cause WannaCry random worldwide makes a security tool for linux -> if they wanted they could abuse SELinux probably.. |
| 04:24.14 | awal1 | i trust debian |
| 04:24.59 | kreyren | u dont trust NSA :D |
| 04:25.01 | kreyren | *i |
| 04:25.15 | awal1 | :D |
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| 04:28.20 | batmore | Anyone with info on Devuan Beowulf mini.iso install use? |
| 04:28.41 | batmore | I downloaded, burned the Beowulf mini.iso from https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ after burning it to CD and going thru the standard install I got past the IP6 setup/config then error for 'No kernel modules were found' ... is this expected? |
| 04:29.11 | awal1 | !devuan |
| 04:29.11 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a Debian <derivative>, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support. |
| 04:29.35 | batmore | k, out of here...! |
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| 04:32.03 | KNERD | It is open source so you can look at the code to see what it does |
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| 04:37.08 | KNERD | There was an excutive order for the NSA to develop protections for information systems in the US. |
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| 04:43.25 | aloo_shu | kreyren: on my debian here, there's only one selinux pkg installed: libselinux1 , but that has appx. 100 dependants, and it looks like pam and dbus are among them |
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| 04:45.15 | aloo_shu | basically I can see your point: you can view any security layer as something that controls (protection) or grants (risk) access |
| 04:45.18 | kreyren | aloo_shu: noted, but i need it to be NSA independant.. |
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| 04:46.35 | aloo_shu | kreyren: try TempleOS :) . Or write to the NSA |
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| 04:54.04 | kreyren | lol |
| 04:54.28 | kreyren | probably have to make custom .deb then |
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| 05:07.05 | aloo_shu | kreyren: this is moving towards the off-topic, but an irc accquaintance is making his own hardened gentoo, and would share the philosophy of rather removing than adding layers and services. not sure how he thinks about selinux. so far he's never published it, not sure if he would hand out copies |
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| 05:07.45 | kreyren | interesting, any source? |
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| 05:15.20 | OS-44308 | !support |
| 05:15.20 | dpkg | "No one can write decently who is distrustful of the reader's intelligence, or whose attitude is patronizing" - E.B. White. The same is true for giving support. |
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| 05:24.51 | kreyren | eh? |
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| 05:34.18 | aloo_shu | kreyren: I've given him your nick |
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| 05:41.49 | kreyren | ty |
| 05:42.03 | kreyren | any idea how is he hardening it? |
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| 07:23.03 | milkt | does anyone know which package do i need to use j / k / ^D / ^U shortcuts in man pages? |
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| 08:07.52 | binaryhermit | is there a way to send content via rsync without encryption |
| 08:08.10 | binaryhermit | I mean, it's over a wifi link protected via wpa2, no internet |
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| 08:08.26 | binaryhermit | if I could avoid the overhead, maybe it's faster |
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| 08:22.53 | rant | binaryhermit: I seriously doubt unless you are using a CPU on one end or the other that is more than 10 years old, that this is even remotely the bottleneck |
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| 08:24.05 | rant | you want faster transfers locally, stop using f'n wifi.. plug the drive in directly or use wired networking |
| 08:25.02 | binaryhermit | it's a n3350 running debian in a container on a vm without ethernet (long story) sending and a raspberry pi3b+ running raspbian |
| 08:25.11 | binaryhermit | gets about 6MB/s |
| 08:25.31 | binaryhermit | so it's not *too* bad |
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| 08:27.10 | rant | yes the lag is probably due to network or disk IO. how much data could you possibly need to transfer to a Pi anyhow? its not like they have very extensive storage options |
| 08:27.46 | rant | one thing those crappy lil pi boards CAN do well, is stuff like encryption |
| 08:28.09 | binaryhermit | it's a usb hd |
| 08:28.31 | rant | enough said.. rotating disk, usb 2.0 at best.. |
| 08:28.38 | binaryhermit | anyway, it's not that big of a deal |
| 08:28.40 | rant | over wifi on an arm SBC |
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| 08:30.04 | rant | if its a USB3 disk, plugging the disk into a USB3 port on the source would get you like 10x or more that speed instantly |
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| 08:47.26 | aje | Moo |
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| 08:48.24 | KOLANICH | Hello everybody. |
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| 08:49.58 | KOLANICH | Is there any GOOD and RIGNT way to call update-alternatives when installing a deb package without parsing its output with a shell script |
| 08:50.02 | KOLANICH | ? |
| 08:50.16 | KOLANICH | *RIGHT |
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| 09:17.23 | veek | i'm backing up apt/archives into a tar file and restoring it later but after apt-get update and apt-get install the same files are being re-downloaded.. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 09:21.32 | Sellerie | Good morning, I just installed Debian testing on my new Thinkpad. In the installer I created an ESP and a luks volume, created an lvm2 container inside of that and installed the OS with LVM, sadly, GRUB is not configured to decrypt the luks volume, as cryptomount does nothing. Can anyone help me? |
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| 09:22.21 | Sellerie | also grub names the luks volume as `unknown filesystem` |
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| 09:23.28 | neglesaks | güt mööning |
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| 09:25.05 | Sellerie | Wë üsïng röck döts nöw? |
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| 09:27.44 | rant | pull your pants up, there will be no mooning anyone in #debian :P |
| 09:28.13 | ArlequInOut | Sellerie, without elegant solution, maybe a trick with a custom initrd to boot your OS |
| 09:29.26 | Sellerie | Well I'd like to have a permanent solution :D |
| 09:29.53 | rant | all temporary solutions are permanent if repeated :D |
| 09:29.54 | Sellerie | Well the problem is that the grub already cant open up the luks volume, so atm I'm stranded |
| 09:30.09 | bingbotboom | Debian only exposes interfaces |
| 09:30.28 | neglesaks | i am not mööning anyöne in zis channele, I speak Le French! |
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| 09:30.54 | rant | yes well between talk of mooning and exposing interfaces, I'm a lil concerned |
| 09:31.01 | Sellerie | oof |
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| 09:31.28 | Sellerie | I already insmod-ed the modules required to open up the luks volume, but the cryptomount command doesnt do what it's supposed to do so I cannot boot debian from that grub atm :/ |
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| 09:31.44 | neglesaks | We will abstract our way out of it |
| 09:31.56 | bingbotboom | single user mode? |
| 09:32.20 | rant | this is #debian not Les Bains Douches |
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| 09:33.29 | neglesaks | Oh, wrong channnel, my apologies. |
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| 09:33.57 | bingbotboom | oh my |
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| 09:35.53 | bingbotboom | sometimes look for an older kernel you can revert to is in /root or /boot |
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| 09:39.04 | bingbotboom | the in grub pointing to the new dodgy kernel, |
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| 09:52.36 | Blondie | sauvin is a handicapped retarded person |
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| 09:53.53 | Sellerie | That's really not nice of you to say that |
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| 09:59.14 | mackerel449 | trying to upgrade to buster, is it normal for half of the packages to be kept back on `upgrade`? |
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| 09:59.45 | Unit193 | 'apt upgrade' disallows package removal, so I'd think so. |
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| 10:01.29 | mackerel449 | so packages like gnome-session gnome-shell are upgraded with dist-upgrade? those are also kept back |
| 10:01.53 | Unit193 | I can't speak to those specifically. |
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| 10:32.39 | bedah | hi. just for fun reasons, is it possible to change the behaviour of linux to display the ddate instead of date on everything? like output of `ls -a` ? |
| 10:34.07 | bedah | hmm i know whom to ask :D |
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| 10:37.13 | Rond | hi, quick question: at some point I started getting unattended-upgrade mails even when no packages are upgraded. is this behavior configurable? |
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| 10:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | bedah, by setting LC_TIME. You may need to write a locale file for that, though. |
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| 11:05.08 | bedah | hm as i suspected. and google finds no locale for LC_TIME for discordian calendar |
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| 11:13.05 | AiA | Hello, I'm having this problem when updating my repos: "GPG error: http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG DB36CDF3452F0C20 antiX (antix repo) <antix@daveserver.info>The repository 'http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch InRelease' is not signed" |
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| 11:14.14 | AiA | \msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 11:16.21 | rant | AiA: you're in #debian, we support Debian stable here, there is nothing we can do about repos for other distros, the packages they contain, or anything else to do with them |
| 11:16.26 | rant | dpkg, what is antix? |
| 11:16.27 | dpkg | rant: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:17.00 | rant | that makes two of us |
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| 11:18.29 | SpeedyG | !antix |
| 11:18.29 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 11:18.32 | SpeedyG | that :) |
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| 11:19.54 | rant | thats incorrect |
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| 11:22.20 | SpeedyG | its based on debian now, at least thats what the antix site says... so the last element is still relevant.. |
| 11:22.23 | SpeedyG | !based on debian |
| 11:22.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 11:24.20 | SpeedyG | so probably someone who can, should update the dpkg entry to have a link to antixlinux instead |
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| 11:27.09 | rant | dpkg, no, antix is <reply>antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems ( https://antixlinux.com/ ). It is related to MX Linux ( https://mxlinux.org/ ) which have support only in the form of forums https://www.antixforum.com/ and https://forum.mxlinux.org/ if you want IRC support, use a better supported |
| 11:27.09 | dpkg | okay, rant |
| 11:27.15 | rant | distro like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT supported here. |
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| 11:27.48 | rant | dpkg antix =~ s/supported/supported distro like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT supported here./ |
| 11:27.48 | dpkg | OK, rant |
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| 11:28.21 | JyZyXEL | every time i start fancontrol either via /etc/init.d/fancontrol or systemctl start fancontrol, it overwrites my /etc/fancontrol with old settings |
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| 11:28.37 | JyZyXEL | i can't figure out where it's storing the old values |
| 11:28.44 | rant | JyZyXEL: did you stop the daemon before changing the file? |
| 11:28.48 | JyZyXEL | rant: yes |
| 11:29.20 | JyZyXEL | if i run it "sudo fancontrol" it works with the new config without overwriting it |
| 11:29.22 | rant | thats usually the cause of such problems.. the config file is loaded into memory and written back when the daemon exits |
| 11:29.42 | rant | JyZyXEL: is there an /etc/default/fancontrol ? |
| 11:29.51 | JyZyXEL | nope |
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| 11:31.35 | JyZyXEL | the file does begin with "# Configuration file generated by pwmconfig, changes will be lost" |
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| 11:33.26 | JyZyXEL | i tried making /etc/fancontrol not writable but it still gets replaced with the old config, as soon as i start fancontrol via systemd or the init script |
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| 11:34.36 | JyZyXEL | this is one of the most peculiar problem i've come across |
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| 11:36.03 | boycottg00gle | http://www.karme.de/ |
| 11:37.56 | JyZyXEL | rant: ohhhhh, looks like i've set myself up for this! looks like i've at some point made my own wrapper for fancontrol.service under "/etc/systemd/system/fancontrol.service" and had totally forgotten about it :D |
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| 11:45.30 | boycottg00gle | please help - and spread the word: http://www.karme.de/ |
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| 11:49.10 | rant | JyZyXEL: yeah just looked like two shell scripts to me, and totally useless ones at that |
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| 11:50.11 | cadburn2 | I've a PCI ethernet NIC and added a PCIe SSD and now network bridge doens't work anymore but lspci still shows both devices, could reconfiguring the network bridge fix it? lspci -vv showed the NIC as 01:05.0 without the SSD and as 02:05.0 with the ssd |
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| 11:51.11 | Namarrgon | look at your network configs, the name of the interfaces has probably changed |
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| 11:52.17 | cadburn2 | I will look at it, but will take quite some time as i have to reboot everything and this PC goes offline, thanks |
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| 12:09.02 | boycottg00gle | please help - and spread the word: http://www.karme.de/ |
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| 12:10.32 | kreyren | what service needs to be started for snap to work? http://dpaste.com/255VX82 |
| 12:10.44 | kreyren | (using OpenRC) |
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| 12:11.53 | kreyren | (ubunters starts screaming and running away when i say OpenRC please help) |
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| 12:16.38 | rant | chirps like a cricket |
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| 12:18.21 | Tayo | i got trouble with kernel upgrade and dkms. Is it safe to purge dkms so the new kernel will be installed? |
| 12:18.46 | ayekat | kreyren: ubuntu with openrc...? O_o |
| 12:18.51 | ayekat | screams and runs away |
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| 12:19.19 | kreyren | ayekat: bedrock linux with ubuntu strata since debian depends on SELinux |
| 12:19.29 | kreyren | using gentoo as master strata that uses OpenRC |
| 12:19.42 | rant | @.@ |
| 12:20.20 | ayekat | and where does... #debian come into play there? |
| 12:20.23 | rant | Tayo: depends on your definition of "safe" and your question is probably offtopic here because I highly doubt this issue is related to debian stable |
| 12:20.29 | ayekat | also what's a strata *searches web* |
| 12:20.44 | rant | ayekat: its the distro he's avoiding using in every way possible, but wants support from |
| 12:21.50 | ayekat | ah, strata is something related to bedrock, it seems |
| 12:22.25 | ayekat | rant: so bedrock+gentoo+ubuntu -> ask on #debian... makes sense á( á )á |
| 12:22.54 | Tayo | oh is this not the debian stable channel? |
| 12:23.07 | kreyren | ayekat: method that bedrock uses to proide compatibility of distro specific packages |
| 12:23.13 | kreyren | installs debian strata then |
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| 12:23.54 | rant | ayekat: yes, I'll notify Aaron James to update his theory on assholes.. the "helpless asshole" |
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| 12:24.09 | rant | forget f'n starata, and all this crap, and just install debian |
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| 12:25.33 | rant | if you wanna fool with building frankenstien monsters from various FOSS projects you're free to do so, but don't go nagging volunteers about supporting the shit |
| 12:26.42 | rant | doesn't matter if you use a debian strata or a debian galaxy, or cosmos or any of that shit.. if you're not using DEBIAN installed from the install media at debian.org, using the stable branch, and packages from deb.debian.org stable then you're just being an asshole asking questions here |
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| 12:27.52 | rant | I've been using Debian for nearly two decades and I have nfc what bedrock is, what gentoo does, or any damn thing else that is unrelated to a stable debian system, and I couldn't possibly care any less if I tried |
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| 12:28.43 | phogg | bedrock does frankenDebian on a scale that will make you feint with horror |
| 12:29.44 | kreyren | **BEDROCK IS NOT FRANKEN** |
| 12:29.56 | phogg | Bedrock is madness in a box. |
| 12:30.04 | kreyren | *boxes |
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| 12:30.21 | phogg | It's what you get if you go crazy and don't notice and then tell everyone about how nice crazy is. |
| 12:30.44 | kreyren | so what service do i need for snaps to work o.o |
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| 12:31.08 | phogg | couldn't tell you |
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| 12:31.15 | kreyren | why not |
| 12:31.33 | phogg | I don't know what you mean by "service" and "work" and I don't care about snaps. |
| 12:32.33 | kreyren | i woudn't care either if some packages didn't have so many deps that i dont want in my system |
| 12:32.37 | phogg | the whole snap thing is, IMO, just another bad idea that won't last. Not interested. |
| 12:32.55 | phogg | You *still need the deps* for the snap version! It's just handled in a less-good way. |
| 12:33.19 | boycottg00gle | what does 2+2=5 mean? |
| 12:33.35 | phogg | boycottg00gle: something illogical is going on |
| 12:33.39 | kreyren | probably, but i still want that functionality |
| 12:33.43 | kreyren | bcs powa |
| 12:33.44 | MisterrT | "it's more than the sum of its parts" |
| 12:33.44 | boycottg00gle | phogg: pah |
| 12:33.57 | boycottg00gle | pah |
| 12:34.02 | phogg | kreyren: I suggest that you do not want that functionality, you just don't know it. |
| 12:34.31 | phogg | Seems great on paper, not going to be awesome later on. |
| 12:34.59 | kreyren | phogg: i know that it's terrible |
| 12:35.09 | kreyren | i still want to fix it in bedrock to be used on demand if needed |
| 12:35.21 | phogg | kreyren: find a bedrock channel |
| 12:35.58 | kreyren | not bedrock issue |
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| 12:36.31 | phogg | kreyren: Doesn't matter whether you think it is, it's not supported here. Try a bedrock channel or a general Linux channel. |
| 12:36.49 | kreyren | or stop beeing a dick and give me the info i need? |
| 12:37.06 | phogg | kreyren: In the first place I can't, in the second place this isn't the forum for it anyway. |
| 12:37.24 | kreyren | shrugs |
| 12:37.36 | phogg | kreyren: Hi, this is me being *helpful*: You won't get help on this here. That's the most helpful I can be on this topic in this channel. |
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| 12:38.31 | kreyren | me fair enough, but this is not helping |
| 12:38.55 | ayekat | kreyren: because you are in the wrong place to ask |
| 12:39.14 | kreyren | where else do you expect me to ask this is debian issue |
| 12:39.27 | kreyren | just debian running on custom kernel |
| 12:39.40 | phogg | kreyren: ask in ##linux |
| 12:39.51 | kreyren | meh too general |
| 12:39.53 | phogg | the other part of your problem is you didn't provide nearly enough information |
| 12:40.04 | phogg | but I don't want more, not here |
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| 12:45.05 | kreyren | is there a gui client for snaps? |
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| 12:48.27 | phogg | kreyren: http://bfy.tw/MzjA |
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| 12:49.46 | kreyren | wow thanks didn't think of that |
| 12:50.29 | phogg | kreyren: "Not in Debian" is the answer. |
| 12:50.58 | kreyren | still not beeing helpful since snapcraft gui seems to be not usable |
| 12:51.03 | kreyren | Debian doesn't support snaps? |
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| 12:51.56 | phogg | I believe snapd is packaged, but not much more. I don't really know. |
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| 12:53.04 | kreyren | ty that was actually helpful |
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| 12:59.07 | Anu91 | Hi |
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| 13:00.00 | avengerist | Hi |
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| 13:07.34 | phogg | kreyren: is that Klingon? |
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| 13:08.23 | kreyren | phogg: Hlja' |
| 13:09.54 | phogg | thought do; looked very Klingon |
| 13:10.03 | phogg | s/do/so/ |
| 13:10.51 | kreyren | hmm o.o |
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| 14:02.16 | cacasotto | ciao |
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| 14:07.52 | FightingFalcon | can i see console commands i used like 6 months ago? |
| 14:08.09 | vlt | FightingFalcon: ~/.bash_history |
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| 14:08.46 | FightingFalcon | is that in root folder? |
| 14:09.03 | vlt | FightingFalcon: "~" stand for the user's home directory. |
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| 14:25.27 | LikWidChz | anyone available to help out with a weird wireless problem, for whatever reason I can't my card into monitor mode... which is weird because it works in kali just not in the fresh install of debian |
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| 14:30.35 | FightingFalcon | thanks vlt |
| 14:30.39 | FightingFalcon | you saved my day |
| 14:31.05 | johnjay | does anybody know how i can get dhclient to reacquire ip addresses more aggressively? |
| 14:31.16 | johnjay | it fails to do so when i reset my LAN router |
| 14:32.00 | LikWidChz | wouldn't you still have an ip before you reset your router? just because your router resets doesn't mean that every device that has had an IP lease from that dhcp server doesn't just go away. |
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| 14:33.20 | Greyztar | hello,im not too familiar with the possibilities of chroot,is it possibel to duplicate my existing debian install while running and then chroot into it?My goal is to replicate my system and try out updating my applications? |
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| 14:38.00 | toruvinn | Greyztar, i dont think that would be easy with just chroot. the reason for that is that you'll need /proc, /dev and /sys (the latter probably being fine, but /proc is definitely a problem here). you may wanna try some containers instead... or, the easiest thing that comes to mind, just copy it inside a VM. |
| 14:39.01 | Greyztar | toruvinn: ok thanks for the heads up (,") |
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| 14:49.06 | ksk | Hey. I have a systemd service running as a user (not a user service) - If I open a shell for that user, and exit it, "/usr/bin/clear_console" invoked via .bash_logout kills (sigterm) that systemd service.. |
| 14:49.24 | ksk | How would I investigate on why its doing that? manpage seems rather minimal |
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| 14:54.24 | rant | johnjay: set the lease time lower |
| 14:54.58 | johnjay | is that a command line paramter or in a config file? |
| 14:55.09 | rant | johnjay: it'd be in the dhcp server on your router |
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| 14:55.10 | johnjay | I looked in the man page and only saw -timeout as maybe useful |
| 14:55.24 | rant | johnjay: a client will not renew a dhcp lease unless the interface is just brought up or the lease expires |
| 14:55.32 | johnjay | well i'm resetting the router |
| 14:55.37 | johnjay | would that not make the lease expire? |
| 14:55.58 | rant | no, dhcp is not like a keepalive tcp connection its a one shot thing |
| 14:56.25 | johnjay | eh. well why is my debian box not reconnecting but every other device and pc is |
| 14:56.35 | rant | dhcp client says to the network hello, any dhcp servers out there, I want to be on this network? and the dhcp server responds, ok, cool, here's your config info and its expire time |
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| 14:57.20 | rant | johnjay: how is the interface in question configured? /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager, .. ? |
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| 14:58.06 | johnjay | i don't see anything in /etc/network/interfaces, and the directory for it is empty |
| 14:58.08 | rant | is it a wired or wireless interface? |
| 14:58.10 | johnjay | but network-manager isn't running either |
| 14:58.13 | johnjay | wired. eth0 |
| 14:58.33 | johnjay | i have to type sudo dhclient manually to get the interface to come up again after resetting the router |
| 14:58.40 | rant | what OS are you running on this machine? |
| 14:59.02 | johnjay | huh |
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| 14:59.11 | johnjay | debian |
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| 14:59.25 | johnjay | i have a debian box that is not reconnecting to my LAN when i manually reset the router |
| 14:59.59 | johnjay | i'm not sure exactly how the network is configured |
| 15:00.48 | rant | johnjay: (cat /etc/debian_version;uname -a;apt policy;cat /etc/network/interfaces;systemctl status)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 15:03.02 | johnjay | journalctl shows some lines about dhclient actually |
| 15:03.06 | johnjay | something about renewal in 38111 seconds |
| 15:03.30 | johnjay | sec |
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| 15:04.29 | rant | thats over 10 hours |
| 15:05.03 | johnjay | oh |
| 15:05.27 | johnjay | so i should figure out how to set it lower as you suggested? |
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| 15:06.30 | rant | idk depends on the router firmware or dhcp server in question |
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| 15:07.32 | rant | 1800sec would be 30 minutes or 120sec would be ever 2 minutes.. seems like you may have it set to 12-48hrs or so |
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| 15:08.49 | johnjay | ah ok |
| 15:08.51 | johnjay | /sbin/dhclient -v -cf /var/lib/wicd/dhclient.conf eth0 |
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| 15:09.10 | johnjay | that showed up in the status command you said too |
| 15:09.20 | rant | ew |
| 15:09.39 | rant | thats probably the source of your issues there.. using f'n wicd.. are you using LXDE by chance? |
| 15:10.16 | johnjay | yes |
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| 15:10.34 | johnjay | is tehre something wrong with lxde? |
| 15:10.37 | rant | setting lease times lower is usually only the proper solution if your network is saturated.. i.e. you have many different clients leasing IPs and its likely that your IP pool will be exceeded and stale IPs for devices not currently online would need to be recycled |
| 15:10.46 | bipul | Does anyone know here Creating/adding storage controller like sata in virtualbox using pyVBox API ? |
| 15:11.00 | rant | just that it uses wicd by default for its network management and that wicd while being nice idea.. is a pile of crap |
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| 15:11.20 | rant | I like that its python, has curses interfaces, etc.. but its buggy as can be |
| 15:11.37 | DrBunsen | Hey all, I reinstalled debian a few days back, and picked the wrong mapping for the numerical keypad. I tried changing the keyboard mapping, but the numerical keypad seems to be seperate from that mapping. Does anyone know what to do next? |
| 15:12.20 | rant | johnjay: and for what its worth I am assuming you don't run debian, if you haven't already picked up on that |
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| 15:13.45 | rant | DrBunsen: you are not being clear.. do you have a seperate keyboard that is just a numeric keypad? |
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| 15:14.31 | DrBunsen | rant: it is the keypad on my keyboard. It is just that it is mapped like a ATM, and not like the numbers on it. During install I could select which mapping mode, and I picked the wrong one. |
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| 15:15.09 | johnjay | rant: technically i guess so, it's a derivative, but 90% of problems i have can be answered from the debian wiki |
| 15:15.34 | johnjay | anyway i'll take your advice and try to get rid of wicd somehow. |
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| 15:25.49 | KOLANICH | hi everyone |
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| 15:27.28 | avengerist | hi |
| 15:28.48 | KOLANICH | what is the best way to update-alternatives in a postinst hook in a deb package without parsing its output |
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| 15:29.28 | KOLANICH | *without parsing update-alternatives non-machine-readable output |
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| 15:30.21 | rant | uh, WHAT?! |
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| 15:33.01 | rant | KOLANICH: perhaps if you can't specify a command, what you expect to happen, and what actually happens, you can look at a script I wrote I call dufus.sh when some dufus was in here asking about installing FF nightly on Debian.. http://paste.debian.net/1075310/ |
| 15:33.34 | rant | I never did get around to testing that.. heh.. but I'm pretty sure it works |
| 15:34.20 | rant | its relevant here cause you're bein a dufus for not being specific about what command you run and what its saying, and also cause this shows how to use update-alternatives from a script |
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| 15:45.25 | TingelTangelBob | Good afternoon. I'm having a hard time finding drivers for network interface cards. The adapters in question are Sun builds, in particular the models 511-1422 and 501-7606. Do you have an opinion on these cards, or Sun NICs in general? |
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| 15:48.25 | ksk | apart from a cynic comment related to the century these were built, Im afraid no ;) |
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| 15:48.48 | ksk | In debian network drivers tend to end up in the nonfree repositories, (for realtek etc for example), so you might check that out |
| 15:48.58 | ksk | !tell TingelTangelBob about nonfree |
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| 15:49.41 | queip | The owner of security.debian.org has configured their website improperly. Error code: SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER |
| 15:50.09 | queip | sha256=DF:68:20:DA:43:5A:7C:1A:9C:43:8B:56:56:24:92:A5:E6:EC:F6:B1:92:8F:D1:4C:9F:5D:93:C7:7D:13:26:1B |
| 15:50.40 | cryptodan_mobile | queip: works fine here |
| 15:50.42 | KOLANICH | rant: I just want tomsay that the tools requiring the stuff like https://salsa.debian.org/java-team/openjdk-8/blob/master/debian/templates/JB-jre-headless.preinst.in#L22 are badly designed and that this should be done by a package manager itself or its plugin or by a single command without any heuristics like grepping. |
| 15:50.53 | KOLANICH | *to say |
| 15:51.19 | queip | issued by Debian SMTP CA |
| 15:51.27 | queip | cryptodan_mobile: what is your sha256 of the key? |
| 15:51.40 | queip | CA key identifier is: 00 f6 08 13 4a 49 f7 da d3 |
| 15:51.48 | cryptodan_mobile | queip: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JWJGZaKV/Screenshot_20190330-155051_Chrome.jpg |
| 15:51.55 | KOLANICH | and https://salsa.debian.org/java-team/openjdk-8/blob/master/debian/templates/JB-jre.postinst.in#L33 is especially shit |
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| 15:52.41 | queip | cryptodan_mobile: well mine is issued by different CA |
| 15:52.50 | KOLANICH | So I wonder if there are better ways to manage that stuff, or the mentioned shit is still considered the right way |
| 15:52.52 | queip | cryptodan_mobile: but I mean on otherdomain |
| 15:53.02 | queip | cryptodan_mobile: https://security.debian.org |
| 15:53.05 | cryptodan_mobile | Then its your issue not denian |
| 15:53.25 | queip | cryptodan_mobile: debian's website is the one sending invalid SSL cert |
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| 15:54.41 | queip | cryptodan_mobile: what cert do you get on security.debian.org ? your screenshot was from www.debian.org |
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| 15:55.42 | cryptodan_mobile | queip: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/z1xjtTnk/Screenshot_20190330-155447_Chrome.jpg |
| 15:55.55 | Sensiva | queip it uses the same certificate |
| 15:56.39 | rant | KOLANICH: idk doesn't seem like thats a job of the package manager, it allows hooking of scripts, how the script does it is entirely up to the package maintainer |
| 15:56.59 | queip | Sensiva: for both me and cryptodan_mobile it uses different. and we both see "security." one as invalid |
| 15:57.26 | Mathisen | queip, this is reported https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=802539 |
| 15:57.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/802539 in security.debian.org (open): «Please properly configure HTTPS in security.debian.org»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-10-20; last modified: 2019-03-27. |
| 15:57.49 | queip | thanks |
| 15:58.18 | queip | 3 days and security can't configure security of own website? if there lack of manpower? |
| 15:58.27 | Sensiva | My mistake, I just opened security.debian.org |
| 15:58.38 | Mathisen | make that 4 years or so now. reported 2015 |
| 15:58.41 | Mathisen | hehe :) |
| 15:58.45 | queip | wut |
| 15:58.54 | queip | Mathisen: but it never before shown as invalid cert |
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| 16:00.23 | queip | Mathisen: why would you think this is same bug? |
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| 16:02.03 | Mathisen | google stoped trusting lets encrypt cert last year in july |
| 16:02.06 | KOLANICH | rant: a package manager is a part of distro, isn't it? It's job is to install the software following the conventions of the distro, isn't it? So IMHO the package manager should provide facilites to do the stuff distro-specific way. For example, in python ecosystem, if I define a specifiec entry point, pip will create the stuff allowing calling the package as a cli app. So IMHO it (and a lot more) should be a job of a package manager. The job of pâ |
| 16:02.07 | KOLANICH | â¦ackage maintainer is to create right package metadata (not code!) and setup scripts building the package. |
| 16:02.18 | queip | Mathisen: Im opening in firefox |
| 16:02.21 | cryptodan_mobile | queip: why does it matter it seems with every refresh of site it gets you a different server |
| 16:02.21 | KOLANICH | *its |
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| 16:03.06 | queip | cryptodan_mobile: refreshed security. dozen o times, each time it's invalid |
| 16:03.48 | Mathisen | i cant speak for the maintainers of the domain anyway. maybe someone in here is involved and can say more |
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| 16:06.41 | cryptodan_mobile | queip: not here |
| 16:06.56 | rant | KOLANICH: its doing that, via postinst scripts provided by the maintainer |
| 16:07.10 | Mathisen | cryptodan_mobile, is correct. when doing some google-fu it seem this is the answer " security.debian.org is a round-robin mirror which does not serve traffic |
| 16:07.10 | Mathisen | using https. " so it does not mather |
| 16:07.26 | queip | Mathisen: the website, not the apt repo |
| 16:07.46 | queip | and http://security.debian.org (not httpS) redirects to www.debian.org/security/ which has list of bugs... EXCEPT the most recent critical remote code execution bug in thunderbird |
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| 16:08.11 | queip | maybe it's a coverup to not warn people about the bug in thunderbird, in case if some security.debian.org guys computers were already compromised through that bug |
| 16:08.12 | Sensiva | there is no website at security.debian.org, if you open it in a web browser it forwards to https://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 16:08.36 | rant | KOLANICH: nobody is saying you have to use that method that person used. if you wanted to you could create elaborate reinventions of the wheel that update-alternatives and grep does in python, lua, C, perl, whatever.. or you could just use the tools that already exist |
| 16:08.37 | queip | Sensiva: there always was a site when you entered throught https:// |
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| 16:09.45 | queip | Sensiva: and the redirected-to site lacks information about most recent exploit in Thunderbird |
| 16:10.22 | Sensiva | I don't know |
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| 16:10.46 | cryptodan_mobile | Because maybe its listed at mozilla.org |
| 16:10.56 | cryptodan_mobile | And debian related |
| 16:11.01 | cryptodan_mobile | Not* |
| 16:11.49 | queip | fyi thunderbird has critical remote artibtrary code executions bugs, upgrade instantly if you use |
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| 16:12.46 | Sensiva | are you sure that the version in debian repos is affected? |
| 16:13.54 | queip | Sensiva: that's what the email from debian security mailing list says. sub to it |
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| 16:14.57 | queip | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/thunderbird indicates it is not yet fixed? maybe its not up to date fully |
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| 16:17.44 | queip | that bug is described in: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2019/msg00064.html . it seems that this list is updated first, and that security website lags behind it a bt |
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| 16:21.26 | KOLANICH | rant: yes I can. I have already replaced debhelper with own wheel because it turned out debhelper was incompatible with the way I "build" packages. So I wonder if it makes sense to fix/reimplement update-alternatives the right way. Or maybe to bring it right into apt. Or maybe reimplement apt itself and then deprecate it. Anyway, currently used tools are pain to deal with. |
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| 16:24.46 | rant | KOLANICH: well from what you say, its clear to me that you don't understand how much less why things work, and you're stubborn enough to continue to do things your way rather than attempt to learn and accept things.. because apt has absolutely nothing to do with this |
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| 16:26.15 | KOLANICH | rant: yes, sometimes it easier to create own wheel than reverse engineer open-source projects from their source code. |
| 16:26.28 | KOLANICH | *it is |
| 16:26.40 | rant | the package manager is called dpkg. apt, apt-get, apt-cache, aptitude, dselect, synaptic, etc are all just frontends to dpkg.. its dpkg that actually unpacks the software, manages the package databases, hooks the pre/post inst scripts, etc |
| 16:26.56 | KOLANICH | rant: I know. |
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| 16:58.28 | DrBunsen | Hi, I reinstalled debian, and during the install it asked me what mapping I would like on my numpad. I seem to have select the wrong mapping, and I do not know where to change it. I tried remapping the keyboard, but that didn't affect the numpad. Does anyone know how I can remap my numpad? |
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| 17:09.46 | n4dir | i don't remember ever having been asked about the numpad |
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| 17:15.04 | pi3e | any suggetions for essay writing? |
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| 17:17.57 | annadane | libreoffice? |
| 17:18.22 | n4dir | zim? |
| 17:18.30 | n4dir | vim? :-) |
| 17:19.04 | nkuttler | pi3e: are you asking for an editor? or something to do layout? |
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| 17:28.30 | EdePopede | does a tool exist which shows the last pressed key? |
| 17:29.41 | indomitable | yes, it's called a keylogger |
| 17:29.42 | indomitable | :) |
| 17:29.46 | indomitable | I have some you can install if you'd like |
| 17:29.47 | indomitable | ;) |
| 17:30.05 | EdePopede | loggers log, they don't show |
| 17:30.53 | jhutchins | One would think it would display on the screen in most cases. |
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| 17:31.23 | indomitable | EdePopede, if you install my keylogger I can get you a front-end to display the last pressed button |
| 17:31.36 | indomitable | providing you allow it to go through your firewall |
| 17:31.36 | indomitable | :P |
| 17:31.52 | annadane | "shows the last pressed key" in its most ambiguous form is indded a keylogger, but there's also xev which shows information on keypresses |
| 17:31.58 | annadane | indeed* |
| 17:32.55 | EdePopede | i don't want to hack something i just need to see keys i press just like they appear in a text editor |
| 17:33.40 | EdePopede | and xev reads only its own input anyway |
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| 17:33.49 | jhutchins | EdePopede: What are you running when you press the keys? |
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| 17:34.46 | EdePopede | linux. gnu. x. xfce. whatever program. vi doesn't show keys in command sequences, dialogs don't show you what you press. |
| 17:35.12 | EdePopede | i don't want to be forced to look every few seconds to the keyboard and back |
| 17:35.15 | indomitable | EdePopede, why can't you just ... press the buttons |
| 17:35.23 | EdePopede | got no interest in being blind in a few years |
| 17:35.24 | indomitable | why would you need to look at the keyboard? |
| 17:35.36 | indomitable | You know where all the keys are |
| 17:35.38 | EdePopede | coz me is no secretary? |
| 17:35.38 | indomitable | you hit them |
| 17:35.39 | EdePopede | do i? |
| 17:35.43 | indomitable | you should? |
| 17:35.44 | indomitable | if you're on IRC |
| 17:35.45 | indomitable | you definitely should |
| 17:35.47 | EdePopede | lol |
| 17:35.55 | indomitable | I can write things like this blindfolded. |
| 17:36.03 | EdePopede | irc has an input line here which is ended by enter |
| 17:36.04 | indomitable | (and I literally wrote this, and that, blindfolded) |
| 17:36.17 | EdePopede | "i can" really is the top argument |
| 17:36.18 | Sensiva | queip the CVE has been patched in stretch and uploaded to the mirrors |
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| 17:36.39 | krion | one vs one typespeed, right now |
| 17:36.44 | annadane | so your question is "is there a free software keyboard display tool with buttons pressed" |
| 17:36.46 | jhutchins | EdePopede: There is no universal input handler. Different programs use different methods. |
| 17:36.48 | krion | english word, unix commands |
| 17:36.52 | annadane | which is clearer than your initial question |
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| 17:37.42 | EdePopede | the tool doesn't need buttons |
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| 17:38.36 | EdePopede | IBus seems to interfere with everything keyboard here, so it must have some kind of low level access |
| 17:38.46 | Sensiva | DrBunsen how did you do "keyboard remapping" ? |
| 17:39.09 | EdePopede | gives me a different layout variant than i had without (after it crashed) |
| 17:39.21 | jhutchins | EdePopede: Oooh, oooh, I know! |
| 17:39.31 | jhutchins | EdePopede: What you need is called a "monitor". |
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| 17:39.59 | EdePopede | i have one or i'd send just gibberish or what it's called ;) |
| 17:40.07 | EdePopede | but yes, sounds good |
| 17:41.17 | EdePopede | had borland's ide at some point in the 90s, one alternative was wordpress usage. like block marking with ^K-B ^K K, the 1st keypress was displayed in the corner until you finished the sequence. nice idea. |
| 17:42.24 | EdePopede | usually i end up using tab and cursor keys in dialogs since i have no idea what i just did press |
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| 17:44.13 | jhutchins | I'm pretty sure there's at least one type training program in most distributions. |
| 17:44.28 | jhutchins | I look at the keyboard a lot. |
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| 17:45.40 | jhutchins | I guess one method is to hit enter and see what happens. |
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| 17:46.44 | EdePopede | i tried some of them in the past, but they don't help me with daily typing. i couldn't do anything useful on the computer if i'd try to do it correct. 10 fingers, baseline, all of this |
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| 17:47.12 | EdePopede | my error rate then is even bigger than with my four and a half finger method |
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| 17:48.46 | EdePopede | maybe looking down would work with a non-active monitor (e-paper!) and lighting following some creepy DIN standard for offices |
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| 17:49.35 | n4dir | you need to learn it for 2 weeks, then don't go back, even if you are slower than before for 2 months, then you are settled. |
| 17:50.36 | EdePopede | but looking to the keyboard means halfing the distance and looking into the dark at the same time. and back just seconds later. and that's not really healthy on the long run. |
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| 17:51.23 | n4dir | after those two months you won't have to look at the keyboard anymore. That is the whole point of *really* learning it |
| 17:51.46 | EdePopede | n4dir: i did. more than once. and i don't get faster or produce less errors. |
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| 17:54.10 | n4dir | your choice. i think it is worth the "trouble". |
| 17:55.06 | rsully | Where does "ip link" store its configuration? I have a bridge defined in /etc/network/interfaces but it isn't loaded on boot. |
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| 18:00.19 | fastbyte22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.33 | fastbyte22 | great |
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| 18:01.35 | EdePopede | huh? nickserv in secret mission? |
| 18:02.02 | fastbyte22 | idk what im doing.... new to linux |
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| 18:02.40 | n4dir | i think the space in front of /msg is the problem. |
| 18:03.32 | annadane | use /msg nickserv, and, yeah, no space before / |
| 18:03.41 | annadane | and, change your password, but you knew that |
| 18:03.50 | rsully | all I see is ******* |
| 18:04.03 | fastbyte22 | ya aldredy did change it |
| 18:04.42 | fastbyte22 | first day on hexchat and i giveaway my password nice |
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| 18:05.30 | rsully | it wasn't a strong password |
| 18:05.51 | rsully | take this as an opportunity to do better :) |
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| 18:05.59 | fastbyte22 | i know.... its my secondary mail |
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| 18:06.16 | rsully | I hope you're not implying you use the same password for IRC and email :p |
| 18:06.22 | fastbyte22 | nope |
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| 18:10.52 | fastbyte22 | please dont f*** my mails please.... |
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| 18:11.09 | EdePopede | fastbyte22: better never type such things into the channel window |
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| 18:11.33 | EdePopede | and use /ns, then you don't risk to send your password to niclserv |
| 18:12.13 | fastbyte22 | okay my bad sorry |
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| 18:12.18 | EdePopede | happens :) |
| 18:12.24 | fastbyte22 | :) |
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| 18:32.12 | Truxx | This is strange... recently my speakers stoped working after some 2-3 minutes after reboot. After investigating I put "options snd-hda-intel power_save=1" in alsa-base.conf. Now it stops after an hour. |
| 18:32.27 | Truxx | Didn't have any sound issues on the old thinkpad for years |
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| 19:06.07 | kingsley | How do you tell which merged bug report to report news to? |
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| 19:07.46 | pi3e | are there any email service which offers anonymous sign up? |
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| 19:08.50 | kingsley | For example: bugs #914844 and #911868 were merged. Which should I send news to? |
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| 19:09.36 | kingsley | pi3e: Yes. Humble suggestion. If you haven't done so already, research it with a search engine. (And be nice.) |
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| 19:16.03 | broseph | So I'm trying to get php files to load in apache, but they come up as plaintext. I tried a2enmod php7.3 but it says the module is already loaded. I'm not sure what to do next. |
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| 19:18.58 | bla | Have you restarted the apache after installing modphp? |
| 19:19.05 | broseph | yep |
| 19:19.21 | bla | In general you need module, and a binding, that *.php files should be interpreted by it. |
| 19:19.36 | bla | And this is either done by the module config files by default or you vhost needs some additional entry |
| 19:19.40 | broseph | I have the module, it's installed. |
| 19:20.09 | broseph | Module php7.3 already enabled |
| 19:20.22 | broseph | That's the output for a2enmod php7.3 |
| 19:20.36 | bla | I'm checking something in my setup... |
| 19:21.03 | bla | php7.3.conf in mods-enabled should enable the binding. |
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| 19:22.19 | bla | Well. No direct idea. Check the logs and recheck the configs - what does the apache log when the .php file is opened. |
| 19:22.56 | bla | And what entries are placed in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled. This files should be loaded by apache2.conf |
| 19:23.05 | bla | If you've messed something up, they might not be. |
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| 19:23.26 | bla | Make sure there's no additional weird stuff in .htaccess or vhost definition which can disable the PHP |
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| 19:24.10 | bla | Also... I dislike modphp and use it only in containerized environments - one apache, one site. I usually used fastcgi recently |
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| 19:25.15 | phogg | fastcgi is a better option if you possibly can use it |
| 19:25.29 | broseph | for php? |
| 19:27.10 | broseph | I think I found the problem. |
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| 19:27.20 | broseph | Running PHP scripts in user directories is disabled by default. |
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| 19:28.24 | broseph | yep. |
| 19:28.35 | broseph | Thanks for your help :D |
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| 19:29.53 | demo_ | hey everyone |
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| 19:37.57 | kingsley | aptitude 1.) complained that a pre-removal script for version 2.1-5 of the python-happydoc package fails, and 2.) refused to upgrade apt-listchanges. |
| 19:38.15 | kingsley | Should I check if a python package needs to be upgraded? |
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| 19:47.25 | BCMM | do you not regularly check for outdated packages in general? |
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| 20:00.02 | rsully | Where does "ip link" store its configuration? I have a bridge defined in /etc/network/interfaces but it isn't loaded on boot. |
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| 20:01.42 | rant | rsully: do you have auto br0 in there? |
| 20:02.02 | rsully | rant I do |
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| 20:02.21 | rant | did you install bridge-utils? |
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| 20:02.55 | rsully | No I didn't thats where my confusion is I think. I thought `ip` was part of iproute2 which can handle bridges, I thought bridge-utils was unnecessary (or perhaps even outdated) |
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| 20:03.24 | rant | ,i bridge-utils |
| 20:03.26 | judd | Package bridge-utils (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: Utilities for configuring the Linux Ethernet bridge. Version: 1.5-13+deb9u1; Size: 33.4k; Installed: 99k |
| 20:04.04 | rsully | Yeah but without bridge-utils it looks like you can configure bridges still e.g. `ip link add name bridge_name type bridge` |
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| 20:04.52 | rant | I have no idea I haven't made a bridge in ages and not a fan of the ip tool, haven't really learned it |
| 20:06.02 | rsully | ok np maybe someone else can chime in at some point |
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| 20:16.10 | intx | has anyone here used shorewall with ifb(s)? |
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| 20:22.00 | bla | Can someone share experiences on using a non-default Debian Linux kernel? I'm mostly on default amd64 (buster+stretch). I was searching for some hardened image for KVM-only server but instead found RT and trunk. |
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| 21:17.05 | flobi | hi 2 all, i have problems with updating a jessie installation. Is there a needed change in the source.list? |
| 21:19.50 | flobi | it seems to be the line: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.13 | bla | it might've been moved to archive servers maybe... |
| 21:20.52 | bla | nah; it's there |
| 21:21.36 | flobi | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2a04:4e42:3::204 80] |
| 21:22.58 | flobi | the jessie-updates does no longer exist as it seems |
| 21:23.25 | bla | you probably have to just use the basic one. |
| 21:23.38 | bla | And probably migrate to stretch if you care. |
| 21:25.25 | flobi | the dist upgrade make sense |
| 21:26.15 | flobi | i hope i do not get into trouble with the docker. |
| 21:26.25 | aloo_shu | !jessie |
| 21:26.26 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 21:27.32 | flobi | aloo_shu, thx |
| 21:27.58 | flobi | !jessie->stretch |
| 21:29.08 | aloo_shu | flobi: find out what repo lines you need to use now for jessie if you first want to upgrade pkgs in jessie |
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| 21:30.25 | flobi | aloo_shu, the only headeach i think gives me: deb https://apt.dockerproject.org/repo/ debian-jessie main |
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| 21:31.42 | aloo_shu | here is where they are apparantly http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
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| 21:33.19 | aloo_shu | never used docker, got to check *their* notes on how they're following debian's changes (or not), flobi |
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| 21:35.33 | flobi | aloo_shu, ok well im not sure if i have to change the entry at the same time from jessie to stretch or not |
| 21:35.49 | aloo_shu | so altered repo lines ought to look like deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie[-something] main [contrib] [non-free] |
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| 21:37.10 | autistic | ALL SODOMITES GO TO HELL |
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| 21:42.07 | aloo_shu | flobi: the way I'm reading this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade , you got to change the repo lines for jessie to 'archive.' in order to do one last pkg upgrade, after that, dist-upgrade will take care of the rest (upgrading to testing follows a different procedure, testing is not a homogenous dist technically) |
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| 21:44.53 | flobi | aloo_shu, ok thx i will follow a guide on the net. i have to first backup all the dbs |
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| 22:05.09 | GoldmanSachsJews | we want money |
| 22:05.14 | GoldmanSachsJews | give us the money |
| 22:05.25 | bla | Lots of redhat fans recently. |
| 22:05.42 | GoldmanSachsJews | we are the goldman sachs |
| 22:05.52 | GoldmanSachsJews | all the money belongs to us |
| 22:06.09 | GoldmanSachsJews | i represent ben bernanke of the goldman sachs |
| 22:06.19 | GoldmanSachsJews | we own the federal reserve and will print a ton of money |
| 22:06.26 | GoldmanSachsJews | to give to the goldman sachs |
| 22:06.32 | GoldmanSachsJews | does this make sense? |
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| 22:09.18 | OerHeks | no, who is 'we'?? |
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| 22:10.58 | EdePopede | there's only one "Whe" and that's H.R.M. the Queen of England etc. etc. |
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| 22:27.20 | wald0 | im testing buster and im wondering, why my network is called now "enp0s8" (or other names, it changes per boot too?), instead of the common ETH0 that i always used? |
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| 22:29.11 | indomitable | wald0, lol. |
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| 22:30.35 | indomitable | wald0, presumably you did something ;) |
| 22:30.40 | indomitable | like change it to promiscuous mode |
| 22:31.57 | bla | nah |
| 22:32.10 | bla | it's probably connected to udev/new kernel and is a move in more/less good direction. |
| 22:32.29 | indomitable | why? |
| 22:32.29 | bla | Interfaces are not numbered by a sheer random chance (of devices detected, connected to the system) |
| 22:32.36 | jmcnaught | wald0: it's a change that was new in stretch for fresh installs: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names |
| 22:32.39 | bla | but get a more persistent name depending on their type |
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| 22:32.58 | indomitable | this is like arch's interface setup |
| 22:33.00 | indomitable | isn't it |
| 22:33.01 | indomitable | I hated it |
| 22:33.14 | bla | You can still rename the interface however you like that. |
| 22:33.17 | bla | I got used to it. |
| 22:33.26 | indomitable | you can get used to a lot of things, even losing a limb or two |
| 22:33.29 | indomitable | doesn't mean you have to like it |
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| 22:33.59 | bla | You don't have to. But you can objectively understand it's cons and pros. |
| 22:34.36 | indomitable | cons: this is confusing nonsense, pros: none :P |
| 22:35.08 | indomitable | "eth0" takes a lot less precision to type than whatever the new scheme is |
| 22:35.14 | indomitable | I remember because I've had to type it a lot in arch |
| 22:35.22 | indomitable | the horror |
| 22:35.26 | annadane | FWIW the channel for testing/unstable is #debian-next on the OFTC network |
| 22:35.29 | bla | in my systems there's eno1, eno2 for built-in interfaces on the network card, and ensCARDNUMBERfPORTNUMBER for 16 other ports |
| 22:35.33 | bla | having eth20 would be horrible. |
| 22:35.55 | indomitable | why |
| 22:35.58 | indomitable | it would be easy to write |
| 22:36.18 | bla | I got zsh with "tab" key which completes those. |
| 22:36.30 | bla | annadane: this is also present in stretch trully |
| 22:37.03 | indomitable | does that work without plugins and config |
| 22:37.16 | indomitable | bla -- not in stretch on rpi |
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| 22:37.49 | bla | Either - get used to it - or add udev rule to rename the interface to eth0. |
| 22:38.12 | bla | Or, if you're typing the interface name a lot - maybe you're doing something weird and unusual. ;-) |
| 22:38.20 | indomitable | interesting... I just found two "veth"s I didn't know I had |
| 22:38.22 | indomitable | the hell? |
| 22:38.25 | indomitable | Where did they even come from? |
| 22:38.35 | indomitable | and they do seem to use some new naming scheme |
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| 22:38.54 | indomitable | bla, I was pentesting my local network |
| 22:39.03 | wald0 | well, i should get used of it... i assume lol, but it was like "wtf why?" |
| 22:39.17 | indomitable | also wtf are up with my veths... what. |
| 22:39.23 | indomitable | Why are they there? o_o |
| 22:39.46 | indomitable | inet 169 ... wtf? |
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| 22:40.21 | wald0 | just like getting used of systemd... (reading how it works / to use it atm) |
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| 22:41.20 | indomitable | maybe it's docker |
| 22:41.26 | indomitable | peculiar stuff |
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| 22:46.14 | bla | Heh. If you use docker then certainly those are used by docker. |
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| 22:48.52 | wald0 | "systemd uses .mount units to manage mountpoints..." |
| 22:49.12 | wald0 | this means that fstab is obsolete? compatible? should I move my entries to systemd? |
| 22:50.32 | jmcnaught | wald0: systemd.mount(5) says that /etc/fstab is still the preferred approach |
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| 22:51.06 | indomitable | wald0, wat? |
| 22:51.08 | indomitable | fstab is fstab |
| 22:51.12 | indomitable | no one messes with fstab |
| 22:51.21 | wald0 | preferred? mmh, sounds good |
| 22:51.36 | wald0 | indomitable: well, seems like systemd wants to be the replacement of everything o_o |
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| 22:51.48 | wald0 | i wonder if i will need to use sdsh instead of zsh in the future |
| 22:52.04 | wald0 | (systemdsh, joking) |
| 22:52.17 | EdePopede | pssht! |
| 22:52.26 | wald0 | ok dont give ideas... |
| 22:52.57 | indomitable | wald0, you idiot. now we'll all have to sdsh. |
| 22:52.58 | indomitable | : |
| 22:52.58 | indomitable | | |
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| 22:53.07 | wald0 | hides |
| 22:53.13 | indomitable | I'm sure the syntax will be PHP or something |
| 22:53.15 | indomitable | just to fuck with us |
| 22:53.46 | wald0 | lol |
| 22:53.53 | bingbotboom | there's wald0 |
| 22:53.55 | wald0 | yeah.. what an invention php |
| 22:54.04 | EdePopede | or to rename a file you'd have to do $filename.rename('new name') |
| 22:54.16 | flobi | no syntax will be xml |
| 22:54.36 | flobi | XD |
| 22:54.38 | bingbotboom | php bot.. |
| 22:54.46 | wald0 | xml++, compilable and executable xml language |
| 22:54.53 | JPT | <?php print(grep("\.txt$", ls("/opt/stuff", "alt"))); |
| 22:55.08 | EdePopede | and non-ascii will have to be escaped like vlc does it in its config (no, don't look, it is horrible) |
| 22:55.19 | JPT | A php-based shell sounds like fun :D |
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| 22:55.57 | wald0 | JPT: looking at your script php example.. i will surely quit the digital world lol |
| 22:56.02 | indomitable | JPT, don't do it |
| 22:56.03 | indomitable | lol |
| 22:56.08 | indomitable | don't make phsh |
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| 22:56.17 | indomitable | it would be pronounced "pshhhhhhhh" |
| 22:56.43 | JPT | Don't worry, nobody would go for php. They would use javascript. Wasn't that obvious already? :) |
| 22:56.47 | EdePopede | yash (yet another shell) |
| 22:56.51 | bingbotboom | wald0 pay |
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| 22:57.13 | bionade24 | JPT: A shell for systemd based on node,js |
| 22:57.34 | bingbotboom | js is bloated |
| 22:58.05 | bionade24 | bingbotboom: Of course, systemd is bloat, too |
| 22:58.08 | EdePopede | "ShellJS is a portable (Windows/Linux/OS X) implementation of Unix shell commands on top of the Node.js API." |
| 22:58.20 | bionade24 | :D |
| 22:58.36 | flobi | well someone wanted to sell me java (not script) as a good language for a new program :s |
| 22:58.43 | JPT | shell.ls("/opt/stuff", "alt").onReturn(function(exit_code, stdout, stderr){ /* ummm... now what? */}); |
| 22:59.01 | EdePopede | and forget HURD, we finally need a node.js based kernel |
| 22:59.26 | bla | in HURD you at least could do driver programming in JS |
| 22:59.27 | bingbotboom | why |
| 23:00.01 | JPT | Why would we need a kernel running on the local computer if we could just stream data into the cloud and execute whatever binary code it streams back? |
| 23:00.27 | JPT | PXE-based AmazonKernel(tm) |
| 23:00.39 | bingbotboom | js was client centric |
| 23:00.45 | EdePopede | it would be insane, bingbotboom, wouldn't it? surely it would not be not insane. |
| 23:01.03 | bingbotboom | why js |
| 23:01.08 | JPT | why not? |
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| 23:01.16 | bingbotboom | bloated |
| 23:01.31 | EdePopede | burning down the house (to cite #fridayforfuture) |
| 23:01.42 | JPT | But everyone can do js, thanks to the big collection of npm packages. |
| 23:01.58 | bionade24 | bingbotboom: It's not bloated, it's just "feature-rich" |
| 23:02.05 | EdePopede | 8 cores are good for gaming, but what do they do when you only got a shell open? |
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| 23:02.46 | indomitable | uhhh, did I detach again? hm |
| 23:02.56 | bionade24 | EdePopede: Use Hyper.js as Terminal and they won't be enough (In Real) |
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| 23:03.18 | bingbotboom | is absolutely bloated. try security scanning it |
| 23:03.39 | EdePopede | "Hyper is an Electron" and then i closed the tab xD |
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| 23:04.38 | bionade24 | EdePopede: :D Me too. Even I could have nyan cat as coursor |
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| 23:04.48 | bionade24 | *though |
| 23:05.14 | wald0 | in fact, do we can -easly- avoid using systemd and stick at sysvinit ? (buster) |
| 23:05.34 | bingbotboom | alpine |
| 23:05.40 | indomitable | bionade24, people actually use that? |
| 23:05.41 | bingbotboom | secure |
| 23:05.49 | indomitable | are they drunk? |
| 23:05.58 | EdePopede | i gave Franz a try when M$ killed skype for linux. added some modules (no connection, don't even have accounts for all the networks) and for each it added 20% CPU load iirc |
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| 23:06.28 | bionade24 | indomitable: Some stupid guys on MacOS, sadly yes |
| 23:06.34 | indomitable | lol |
| 23:06.44 | indomitable | the people I've talked to from TC39 have been utter tools |
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| 23:06.57 | indomitable | airbnb likes this thing it seems |
| 23:07.03 | indomitable | they have some people on that horrible council of madness |
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| 23:07.44 | bionade24 | indomitable: I even get agressive when shitty Slacks starts at work |
| 23:08.00 | bionade24 | *Slack |
| 23:08.14 | wald0 | EdePopede: fortunately with today's phones nobody needs to lose time with skype :) |
| 23:08.17 | indomitable | bionade24, Slack isn't great, I agree, but what alternatives are there for sharing media etc? :p |
| 23:08.50 | j0seph | indomitable, Matrix/Riot.im is a good alternative. |
| 23:08.56 | indomitable | ...is it though? :p |
| 23:09.02 | j0seph | Sure? |
| 23:09.05 | bionade24 | indomitable: Matrix has IRC abilities |
| 23:09.32 | bingbotboom | pigeon? |
| 23:09.43 | bingbotboom | it has OTR |
| 23:09.44 | wald0 | sharing media is against unix philosophy |
| 23:09.48 | indomitable | but no one knows how to set matrix up |
| 23:09.48 | indomitable | lol |
| 23:10.07 | EdePopede | omg, seems that even opening the Hyper startpage made firefox using most of my cpu |
| 23:10.48 | wald0 | j0seph: you call a good alternative to Slack to something that depends on a modern WEB-browser? :) |
| 23:10.52 | wald0 | hides |
| 23:10.55 | bionade24 | :D What do you expect? |
| 23:11.06 | indomitable | I don't mind a browser |
| 23:11.13 | indomitable | meh |
| 23:11.20 | bionade24 | wald0: Slack is also browser |
| 23:11.25 | wald0 | indomitable: how much ram you have? |
| 23:11.37 | wald0 | bionade24: oh, that's why is so bloated :) |
| 23:11.39 | j0seph | wald0: i call a something that is similar to slack a good alternative to Slack. And yes, Slack depends on a browser also. |
| 23:11.43 | indomitable | wald0, 16 gigabytes |
| 23:11.51 | wald0 | indomitable: ok, that makes sense |
| 23:11.57 | indomitable | I never use more than 4 |
| 23:11.59 | indomitable | so I dunno |
| 23:12.01 | wald0 | i never had a machine with 16 gb ram lol |
| 23:12.06 | bingbotboom | browsers ate not anchors if all that's needed os a small task |
| 23:12.10 | indomitable | ah nvm, it#s 6 now |
| 23:12.11 | indomitable | lol |
| 23:12.12 | wald0 | indomitable: and you use web? hum... |
| 23:12.14 | indomitable | curse you memory |
| 23:12.19 | bionade24 | Slack performs same slow on 4GB RAM as on 32GB |
| 23:12.24 | indomitable | I have 34 tabs open |
| 23:12.28 | indomitable | they're using 1.4 gb |
| 23:12.29 | indomitable | seems legit |
| 23:12.30 | indomitable | :P |
| 23:12.42 | wald0 | j0seph: no offense, i was joking :) |
| 23:12.48 | bingbotboom | minimalist not |
| 23:13.26 | wald0 | indomitable: mmh, which browser is that? |
| 23:13.27 | j0seph | wald0: oh, sorry. it's hard to pick up on text. :) |
| 23:13.28 | indomitable | stuff like slack exists to include all the non-technical people |
| 23:13.40 | indomitable | wald0, chromium based |
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| 23:14.12 | wald0 | indomitable: (old versions at least) of chrom* used a ton of ram per each tab |
| 23:14.18 | bingbotboom | well non techy folk suck time |
| 23:14.35 | bingbotboom | obstacles are good |
| 23:14.40 | wald0 | indomitable: then the world is broken, why non-technical people should be in the techinical world? lol |
| 23:14.55 | j0seph | wald0: if they want to learn. |
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| 23:15.17 | wald0 | j0seph: they will never learn from bad teachings |
| 23:15.22 | wald0 | anything good * |
| 23:15.33 | j0seph | wald0: which teachings are these? |
| 23:15.43 | wald0 | "treat your users as stupids and you will have stupid users", that was not a Linus sentence? i never found it again on internet... |
| 23:16.32 | indomitable | wald0, because technical people can't do their jobs |
| 23:16.36 | indomitable | they're busy doing technical shit |
| 23:16.49 | wald0 | j0seph: bad / bloated / ugly stuff, browsers, js, php, nodejs, slack... start with C, then move to something lol, and reading the unix philosophies should be a pretty needed thing imho |
| 23:16.58 | wald0 | at least just the rules of it |
| 23:17.01 | indomitable | I don't think wald0 has any non-nerd friends |
| 23:17.02 | indomitable | lol |
| 23:17.03 | wald0 | one-page rules |
| 23:17.06 | indomitable | or family |
| 23:17.10 | indomitable | or acquaintances |
| 23:17.30 | wald0 | lol |
| 23:17.31 | indomitable | should diversify your friendships so you understand other perspectives but your own |
| 23:17.36 | j0seph | ^ |
| 23:17.46 | bingbotboom | nice boy, code? |
| 23:17.53 | indomitable | whole point of humanity is to be diverse in our abilities and tasks |
| 23:17.59 | indomitable | or we'd be eaten by tigers a long time ago |
| 23:18.25 | bingbotboom | wald0 where is your source |
| 23:18.30 | indomitable | he's not a bot |
| 23:18.51 | indomitable | he's just someone who spent too much time with people who wouldn't mind TUIng forever |
| 23:19.34 | indomitable | the knowhow required to successfully program C and rely on TUI is _staggering_ compared to what you can accomplish in simpler languages where guis and proper IDEs exist with much less |
| 23:19.49 | wald0 | indomitable: how i can understand other perspectives if everybody else is wrong? |
| 23:19.56 | indomitable | wald0, lol. |
| 23:20.12 | j0seph | is that another joke? lol |
| 23:20.17 | indomitable | j0seph, no, he's just oblivious :p |
| 23:21.18 | wald0 | indomitable: yeah but the thing is that by -learning- (i didnt say using) C, people will understand better how a machine / code / program works, and will not make bloated sh*t like most of todays applications |
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| 23:21.30 | indomitable | wald0, but at this point it doesn't MATTER if they understand |
| 23:21.36 | indomitable | Because almost nothing they see is working that way now |
| 23:21.46 | indomitable | Everything is a layer of abstraction on top of another layer of abstraction |
| 23:21.50 | bingbotboom | IDE's are massive bloated... training wheels for newbs |
| 23:22.12 | indomitable | memorizing random bullshit isn't what I call productive |
| 23:22.13 | indomitable | lol |
| 23:22.18 | indomitable | einstein agrees |
| 23:22.33 | indomitable | "Never memorize something that you can look up." |
| 23:22.36 | indomitable | IDEs look things up for you. |
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| 23:22.47 | bingbotboom | netbeans or eclipse sap 8Gb to hello world |
| 23:23.05 | indomitable | no one uses those anyway, it's all intellij these days |
| 23:23.30 | indomitable | anyway it is bedtime |
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| 23:24.44 | bingbotboom | sdk has iy all there you |
| 23:24.59 | bla | I'm recruiting programmers from time to time and it's a real pain that they don't currently know how the stuff works. |
| 23:25.03 | bionade24 | As I'm only 16, I can tell you most young use JS and I'm very exotic with C++. And they write bad, even in JS. No one cares about optimization. |
| 23:25.10 | wald0 | it matters in the sense that we are living in a bloated world |
| 23:25.28 | wald0 | uselessly bloated* |
| 23:25.56 | bingbotboom | intellij is paid |
| 23:26.29 | j0seph | Community version isn't. |
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| 23:26.53 | bingbotboom | is it gel |
| 23:27.04 | bingbotboom | gpl |
| 23:27.13 | bionade24 | No it isn't |
| 23:27.29 | bingbotboom | that matters a bit |
| 23:27.34 | j0seph | Apache 2.0 |
| 23:28.36 | bingbotboom | these proprietary toys always buy lock-in |
| 23:29.19 | bionade24 | You could also use KDevelop, written in C++ instead of Java, much faster & under GPL |
| 23:29.24 | bionade24 | Or QtCreator |
| 23:29.33 | bla | Or Emacs. |
| 23:29.35 | bla | Just sayin' |
| 23:29.37 | bionade24 | Or vim |
| 23:29.55 | wald0 | or gcc :) |
| 23:29.57 | j0seph | I would use emacs, but I have two arms and not three. |
| 23:30.02 | bingbotboom | name |
| 23:30.11 | bingbotboom | lol |
| 23:30.27 | bionade24 | Cool Hipsters use Atom, of course |
| 23:30.55 | j0seph | curse atom to the depths of the abyss |
| 23:31.23 | bla | Growing number of people in my neighborhood uses Visual Studio Code. |
| 23:31.30 | bionade24 | :D This bullshit needs more than 8GB of RAM for a editor |
| 23:31.37 | bingbotboom | eew |
| 23:32.00 | wald0 | i wonder why web related languages was so successfull on this world.. |
| 23:32.08 | bionade24 | bla: I hope the Open Source packaged Variant and not the official package from MS |
| 23:32.18 | wald0 | the world stopped to write real apps to write web apps |
| 23:32.39 | bionade24 | wald0: Because of shitty Frameworks |
| 23:32.54 | bla | bionade24: no idea. It's better than Atom though. Probably better than notepad++ too. |
| 23:32.57 | j0seph | bla, in spite of VSC being a product born of MS and formed by Electron, I'm quite surprised at how much I like it. |
| 23:33.18 | wald0 | the world is in decadence |
| 23:33.21 | j0seph | I use it on occasion |
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| 23:33.47 | bionade24 | bla: Most people believe VS Code is OSS, but the Package ISN'T!!! |
| 23:33.47 | bla | Yeah, probably one of the sparse things MS did right. |
| 23:34.28 | bionade24 | Their package is proprietairy and not under MIT license |
| 23:34.46 | bla | I probably won't use it, unless Debian packages it one day. |
| 23:34.56 | bingbotboom | eh this is a good channel.. some clever geeks here |
| 23:35.25 | bionade24 | https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/4288/is-microsoft-vs-code-really-open-source |
| 23:35.29 | bla | I'm *really* happy with Emacs though. Emacs + tmux. I recently even code in it using a Android tablet with termux+mosh while on the bus. |
| 23:35.31 | j0seph | bingbotboom: just don't take anything people say in a casual manner too seriously, aha |
| 23:36.18 | bionade24 | bla: There is a project on GH packaging it, it was already asked if they could add it into Repos. |
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| 23:36.40 | bingbotboom | yeah its shop talk and that's good when tech is tehr business |
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| 23:39.00 | j0seph | One of my lecturers for my operating systems course was an Emacs user and constantly referred to it as the 'one true editor' |
| 23:40.09 | bla | We're known for our perfect sense of humour. |
| 23:40.43 | binaryhermit | I use nano, shrug |
| 23:40.50 | bingbotboom | I use nano |
| 23:41.07 | binaryhermit | but I use a text editor so little the learning curve is too much to bother with\ |
| 23:41.11 | j0seph | I use nano for editing single lines in config files. that's about it. |
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| 23:41.21 | bla | I use vim for that... |
| 23:41.46 | bingbotboom | whatever quick |
| 23:41.50 | j0seph | bla: funny, I use vim for the more extensive terminal-based text writing needs |
| 23:42.16 | bla | Vim is ok. And is fast enough that nano is really not an option for anything for me. |
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| 23:42.59 | bingbotboom | does.vim autoformat code |
| 23:43.45 | bingbotboom | does vim have predictive suggestion |
| 23:44.00 | bionade24 | bingbotboom: If you want so, yes. Vim has vimscript |
| 23:44.04 | bingbotboom | no... so I just is name |
| 23:44.30 | j0seph | bingbotboom: in the case of Python at least, it can tell when you need to indent. |
| 23:45.01 | j0seph | No autosuggest by default, though. |
| 23:45.04 | bionade24 | You can implement most things into vim with vimscript |
| 23:45.15 | bingbotboom | yeah cool |
| 23:45.23 | j0seph | vim has a plethora of plugins too, yeah. |
| 23:47.02 | bionade24 | Some people even got vim so bloated that it was as slow as Atom. Has anyone ever used nvim and does it solve this problem? |
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| 23:48.20 | bingbotboom | nano solved it |
| 23:48.43 | bingbotboom | passive resistance |
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