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| 00:33.45 | easyprinter | hi, wifi driver not detected for dell laptop 15-5570 i5 |
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| 00:38.12 | easyprinter | no wifi network, what to do? |
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| 01:10.48 | met | use ethernet for now ;) try to find out the wifi chipset, maybe you need to install a firmware package for it |
| 01:11.55 | ledeni | met easyprinter is gone --offline |
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| 01:12.28 | met | oh - stupid weechat didn't show me the part msg |
| 01:12.32 | met | sorry |
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| 01:18.30 | tony` | hello guys |
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| 01:25.44 | met | sigh |
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| 01:56.35 | argusbr | have one command search date-time install my os? |
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| 02:16.42 | lingd | are there some tools for debian for removing packages without breaking dependencies? |
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| 02:29.35 | jmcnaught | lingd: it's usually not a good idea. Dependencies are things that are needed by a package. What are you trying to do? |
| 02:30.17 | lingd | i'm fighting the maintainers' stupidity |
| 02:31.09 | lingd | it is the major downside of deb that maintainer has to assign dependencies, and I suspect many maintainers don't know about weak deps yet |
| 02:32.23 | lingd | more precisely, I'm trying to install a pdf reader, which has a hard dependency on a web browser and js interpreter |
| 02:33.13 | lingd | I even suspect why that is, for mathml support in epubs |
| 02:34.24 | lingd | and instead of splitting the epub plugin into subpackage, and making a weak dep of it to a web browser, the idiot maintainer hard deps it to the main package |
| 02:35.42 | lingd | so I need to clean up the junk without making apt unoperative |
| 02:36.42 | lingd | for comparison, rpm allows both removing packages without breaking the dependencies, and it even allows to "forget" the installed package |
| 02:36.58 | lingd | i need something similar for apt/dpkg |
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| 02:55.25 | lingd | where's everyone? |
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| 02:58.51 | karlpinc | Having a party in #debian-offtopic? ;-) |
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| 03:03.37 | milkt | lingd: isn't it possible with modifying .deb |
| 03:05.50 | karlpinc | lingd: Your request reminds me of something, but I don't recall what. You might try using debtags to search. Or look on the debian wikil |
| 03:05.54 | karlpinc | wiki. |
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| 03:23.35 | yranke | I have a question about debian CVE, specifcally CVE-2019-9213 on the debian security tracker ( https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-9213 ) |
| 03:24.02 | yranke | i see jessie(security) and jessie |
| 03:24.17 | yranke | the version number 3.16.56-1+deb8u1 |
| 03:24.37 | yranke | if its fixed, will i see the deb8+u1 in the uname -a command ? |
| 03:24.46 | yranke | sorry +deb8u1 |
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| 03:26.09 | yranke | or am I looking at the backwards.. 3.16.64-1 and newer are only fixed. |
| 03:27.38 | lingd | 3.16.64 is fixed, .56 is vulnerable |
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| 03:29.11 | yranke | okay, so i'm guessing the (security) part means its only available through the security repository ? |
| 03:30.16 | yranke | (thank you lingd) |
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| 05:49.53 | Gigglebyte | Something really weird is going on with a laptop that I recently installed Debian stable on. Sudo is not showing up in the repository, and I can't install Thunderbird. It says Debian when i boot up, but the distro acts like it is a different distro. |
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| 05:53.22 | diogenes_ | use su |
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| 06:27.09 | bipul | Hi |
| 06:28.42 | bipul | Why it's taking too much time to get install debian via pressed. I am using debian-9.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 06:30.00 | bipul | My preseed file https://paste.debian.net/plain/1075455 |
| 06:30.03 | themill | you might need to define "too much time" and what you're asking it to install |
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| 06:31.44 | bipul | It was taking 20 minutes to get install "base system" Also it required my interaction to click first time on "Install" options |
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| 06:31.56 | bipul | more then 20 minutes |
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| 06:46.39 | bipul | What could be the issue? |
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| 08:06.12 | rant | fwiw the correct answer to that question is, no, sudo is not installed by default unless you choose no root password. Sudo is an optional package |
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| 08:39.56 | gnumdk | Hello, I'm booting a diskless debian but can't make keyboard layout switch to fr |
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| 09:01.15 | Rico | hello |
| 09:02.00 | Rico | does the "updates" and "backports" utl changed recently for jessie ? apt complains about "url not found" |
| 09:06.03 | jelly | bipul: I've noticed our vmware/pxe/preseed debian 9 provisioning has gone slower last 1-2 months, too |
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| 09:10.06 | themill | Rico: that's correct, they have been unsupported for about a year and were removed |
| 09:10.27 | jelly | bipul: sorry, no, from boot to sshd running after install it's about 4 minutes |
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| 09:11.05 | warai_otoko | themill: same problem here. Can someone provide a link with the most recent sources.list for Jessie (8.x), please? |
| 09:11.39 | themill | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
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| 09:13.19 | jelly | did we update |
| 09:13.20 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 09:13.20 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 09:13.28 | warai_otoko | themill: and if my arch is ppc64? :-/ |
| 09:13.37 | nevivurn | I want to make a local script available over netcat. ie. the script read/writes to stdin/stdout, and I want people connecting to some port on my network to see the script and such. |
| 09:13.39 | themill | warai_otoko: then you should have upgraded 12 month ago |
| 09:13.50 | nevivurn | What would be a nice, minimal solution to this? |
| 09:14.01 | Rico | themill: and what about backports url ? |
| 09:14.25 | themill | Rico: jessie-backports has been unsupported for almost a year. There is no jessie-backports for you to use |
| 09:14.26 | jelly | nevivurn: inetd instead of netcat |
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| 09:15.13 | nevivurn | Ah, okay. I know there are many programs that perform inetd-like functions, which one is the most minimal? I don't really need much from it. |
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| 09:15.45 | Rico | ok |
| 09:15.46 | jelly | they're all pretty minimal, openbsd-inetd is default, xinetd has a bit nicer config files |
| 09:16.02 | nevivurn | Alright, thanks! |
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| 09:16.54 | warai_otoko | themill: would have loved to. but I read ppc64 isn't supported anymore :-/ |
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| 09:21.08 | themill | warai_otoko: ppc64 was never released by debian. Do you mean powerpc? |
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| 09:26.52 | warai_otoko | themill: hmmm. isn't powerpc up to G4, ppc64 for G5 & Co. and up? But yes, I would like to use the most updated sources.list for this arch which to my knowledge Debian 8.x was unfortunately the last official release... |
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| 09:28.52 | themill | ppc64el still exists |
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| 09:30.14 | themill | I don't know the specifics of your hardware, but powerpc and ppc64el were the only archs ever released by Debian. ppc64 was never released and remained an experimental effort |
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| 09:31.48 | warai_otoko | themill: okay, thanks a bunch, my CPU is not suitable for ppc64el due to an older PowerPC CPU as POWER8: https://wiki.debian.org/ppc64el |
| 09:32.29 | themill | Sounds like you have an expensive doorstop now |
| 09:33.09 | warai_otoko | themill: :-D |
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| 09:38.39 | at0m | buddy offers me a G5, so reading up on https://wiki.debian.org/PowerPC. i'll give it a try, and depending on what version it is i'll see what can be done with it |
| 09:39.55 | earthnative | at0m: the G5 powermac, at least... was a power hog. They're a fun novelty to have though |
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| 09:40.15 | themill | I don't think there's anything in Debian that supports them any more either |
| 09:40.21 | at0m | earthnative: if not debian, i may host my old DSP soundcards in it |
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| 09:42.06 | at0m | if i have to choose between Windows and OSX to run these cards, i may go for the latter. that would also mean i don't have to dualboot any debians. |
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| 11:01.30 | rdz | hey all. any chance that jessie-updates will be restored in way it does not cause any 404? |
| 11:01.43 | rdz | i don't care if the folder is empty |
| 11:02.07 | rdz | but the move to remove is quite annoying |
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| 11:07.22 | blingrang | Hi, how would I go about resigning an archived repo? |
| 11:08.57 | themill | You do, of course, realise that the archived repos are there for historical interest only not for normal use? You can sign the Release file and feed apt the key. |
| 11:09.11 | blingrang | I know. |
| 11:09.59 | blingrang | But one of our legacy systems uses jessie-backports and while in the long term we intend to get rid of it, in the short term we need that repo back. |
| 11:10.23 | EdePopede | jessie has a best-before line or similar iirc in that file. does also need some option to make it work afaik. |
| 11:10.24 | BCMM | rdz: there *is* additional work involved in running LTS Debian - the "easy" path is to upgrade to the current stable release. have you read https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using ? it's particularly important to be aware of which packages no longer have security support. |
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| 11:17.53 | rdz | BCMM, thanks for the link |
| 11:20.48 | jelly | rdz: no, probably |
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| 11:27.58 | masterkorp1 | hello |
| 11:28.26 | masterkorp1 | when I install docker the package is intalled |
| 11:28.40 | masterkorp1 | but the binary is not found |
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| 11:38.22 | ayekat | masterkorp1: check what files the package installed (in particular what it put in /usr/bin) |
| 11:38.37 | ayekat | (or /bin or /sbin or /usr/sbin or ...) |
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| 11:51.42 | masterkorp1 | there is no filen usr bin |
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| 11:53.59 | masterkorp1 | https://pastebin.com/5BpCDjnh |
| 11:54.02 | masterkorp1 | i also get this |
| 11:54.14 | masterkorp1 | i added the docker-ce package |
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| 11:54.32 | masterkorp1 | and it finds it on a search, but its unable to locate it? |
| 11:54.59 | ayekat | are you on ARM? |
| 11:55.31 | ayekat | also, you said you installed the docker package, but your output there indicates you haven't |
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| 11:57.26 | rdz | why can i see the list of wheezy backports but not list of jessie backports? |
| 11:57.48 | rdz | are backports removed once a release is transitioned to lts? |
| 11:58.02 | ayekat | !wheezy |
| 11:58.03 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. Consider upgrading. |
| 11:58.09 | rdz | https://backports.debian.org/changes/wheezy-backports.html |
| 11:58.26 | rdz | ayekat, ?? |
| 11:58.41 | rdz | in what way is your answer releated to my question? |
| 11:59.04 | rdz | compare above link with: https://backports.debian.org/changes/jessie-backports.html |
| 11:59.11 | ayekat | hmm... wait, I understood your question the wrong way around |
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| 11:59.50 | rdz | ayekat, no problem |
| 12:00.11 | rdz | is it expected that i get 404 when doing 'apt update' with jessie-backports included? |
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| 12:00.47 | rdz | can't the old backports packages stay online? |
| 12:01.23 | Spida | what is the official way to add a file (systemd unit) to a debian package that is not generated by the built process? add a patch to debian/patches that "generates" the file, and add a line to the packagename.install file that install the unit to the correct location? |
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| 12:06.07 | ayekat | rdz: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/508724 might be related - I'm not an expert on debian, though |
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| 12:07.23 | ayekat | actually, it links to https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00006.html, which seems legit ^^ |
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| 12:11.54 | rdz | ayekat, thanks.. got that.. but i wonder about backports.., does that apply also to jessie-backports? |
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| 12:17.11 | ayekat | apparently both jessie-backports and wheezy-backports have been moved to archive.debian.org - I would expect that wheezy-backports on the old server would stop working as well, though |
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| 12:17.41 | ayekat | but anyway, if you update your sources.list entries to point to archive.debian.org, jessie-backports should work again |
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| 12:19.38 | rdz | ayekat, ah ok... thanks |
| 12:20.26 | rdz | E: Release file for {archive-url} is expired (invalid since 40d 15h 53min 37s). |
| 12:20.52 | rdz | so there they are.. the release files.. but unusable |
| 12:20.56 | rdz | ayekat, thanks for your help |
| 12:22.30 | mmaddin | rdz: I'm currently looking into the same problem. The version history of https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using (see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using?action=info) mentions that backports "are not supported during the LTS period" |
| 12:23.32 | ayekat | rdz: hmm... I guess the jessie channel might know more, then |
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| 12:26.25 | bhuddah | did you notice the information in the topic? |
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| 12:28.28 | rdz | bhuddah, thanks.., only now |
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| 12:29.11 | ayekat | heh - but so there is no supported oldstable anymore? |
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| 12:29.49 | bhuddah | there was a lot of time to upgrade. it's not like debian moves especially fast... |
| 12:30.28 | rdz | bhuddah, that's not the issue |
| 12:30.56 | rdz | bhuddah, it's just slightly hard to understand what support is lost at which time... |
| 12:31.27 | rdz | the transition to LTS was in june 2018... so it is strange that i still have to touch sources.list of jessie hosts |
| 12:31.59 | rdz | imho, debian makes it harder than necessary to keep things going |
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| 12:32.38 | rdz | you need to know all kind of meta knowledge to keep simple things as apt going |
| 12:33.37 | rdz | at least for systems receive only minimal support i'd be happy if i could leave them just running without thinking and caring so much |
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| 12:35.17 | ayekat | "oldstable" means: "it's outdated, but we're friendly enough to support it for some time so have time to update to the latest release" |
| 12:37.12 | ayekat | then again, I always thought that oldstable would receive support until stable became the new oldstable (with the next release), but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore |
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| 12:38.40 | mmaddin | what confused me a bit: both wheezy-backports and jessie-backports are present on archive.debian.org, but while wheezy-backports still works, jessie-backports complains about the release file being expired. |
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| 12:39.13 | mmaddin | anyway, upgrade to stable is the way to go, sure. |
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| 12:45.52 | ayekat | yeah, that confuses me, too |
| 12:46.37 | ayekat | but anyway, if you only *updated* to jessie in june 2018, your system must've been seriously outdated before :-} |
| 12:47.48 | platypo | When doing apt-get update i get this line in the shell: |
| 12:47.50 | platypo | Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.at.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 - open (13: Permission denied) [IP: 213.129.232.18 80] |
| 12:48.30 | platypo | My question is: is it possible that this is a remote file? |
| 12:49.13 | ayekat | ah wait, there is also https://wiki.debian.org/LTS - I guess I just don't see the full picture ^^' |
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| 13:07.18 | platypo | Hello. I can't verify the signature for the repositories apt uses in debian 9. Could someone help? |
| 13:08.09 | themill | What are you trying and in what way does it not work? |
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| 13:09.09 | platypo | I get a bunch of errors when i run apt-get update as root in terminal. |
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| 13:09.56 | platypo | https://paste.debian.net/1075483/ |
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| 13:11.12 | themill | platypo: what are the permissions on /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ and who owns it? |
| 13:11.20 | platypo | 644 root root |
| 13:11.28 | jelly | 644 is not good for a directory. |
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| 13:11.47 | jelly | make it +x |
| 13:12.13 | themill | 0755 and _apt:root |
| 13:12.15 | jelly | and chown _apt:root |
| 13:12.15 | platypo | sorry. 700, user: _apt, group root. The contents of the directory are 644 |
| 13:12.40 | themill | 0700 is ok |
| 13:12.46 | jelly | is there a leftover file in there owned by root? ls -ld /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.at.* |
| 13:14.07 | platypo | the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial are all owned by root, permissions are 777 |
| 13:14.59 | platypo | sorry: most of the files. The regarding file is. |
| 13:15.00 | jelly | platypo: you may delete all the files in partial/ subdir and do an apt-get update again |
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| 13:18.31 | platypo | i allready did that with the parent directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ a while ago |
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| 13:21.18 | jelly | platypo: that's not the greatest idea, you don't want to delete /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 13:21.53 | platypo | jelly: nevertheless, after deleting the contents of partial/ subdirectory i get: |
| 13:21.57 | platypo | BZ2_bzread: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.at.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_contrib_i18n_Translation-en.bz2 Read error (-5: DATA_ERROR_MAGIC) |
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| 13:22.59 | jelly | platypo: weird, that's not the same file. Is this on a weird buggy filesystem type like btrfs? |
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| 13:23.41 | platypo | jelly: /dev/mapper/vg-var is ext4 |
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| 13:24.03 | platypo | i just used fsck without any errors |
| 13:24.30 | jelly | presumably after umounting or remonting-it read-only |
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| 13:24.53 | rdz | hey all. I experience this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=925919 and i wonder whether it has been fixed already, however, i have troubles figuring whether that specific issue was addressed in the most recent update |
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| 13:27.20 | jelly | rdz: if you read that bug there's a build by benh with a tentative patch linked near the bottom, did you try that |
| 13:27.44 | jelly | rdz: it's not on mirrors yet as far as I can tell |
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| 13:28.27 | platypo | jelly: i used a livecd. |
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| 13:30.15 | rdz | jelly, thanks.. i haven't tested the build.. it's based on kernel 4.4, right? |
| 13:30.19 | themill | platypo: out of interest, what made you reboot onto a livecd and run fsck? |
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| 13:30.40 | rdz | jelly, i just leave 3.16.0-7-amd64 installed until it is fixed |
| 13:30.48 | jelly | rdz: I did not investigate the details. It's still 3.16, just patched |
| 13:31.10 | rdz | jelly, i'm interested to know, though, how one can know whether a specific isse was fixed in a certain released version of a package |
| 13:31.23 | jelly | rdz: one reads the changelogs. |
| 13:31.43 | rdz | jelly, sounds logic.. can you point me to the correct changelog? |
| 13:32.14 | rdz | can it be found by package name? the bug was re-assigned to src:linux.. though i don't know what this means |
| 13:32.15 | jelly | rdz: it's in the package you haven't tested yet |
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| 13:32.35 | rdz | jelly, so i can only read the changelog when i install the new version? |
| 13:32.52 | jelly | or when the package actually appears in the repos. |
| 13:33.02 | rdz | jelly |
| 13:33.05 | rdz | sorry |
| 13:33.34 | platypo | themill: i wasn't sure how to unmount /var at runtime so i just used a livecd |
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| 13:33.58 | themill | platypo: yeah, but why were you wanting to run fsck at all? |
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| 13:34.43 | rdz | jelly, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-amd64 points me to: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux-latest/linux-latest_63+deb8u4_changelog |
| 13:34.47 | rdz | which causes a 404 |
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| 13:35.10 | platypo | themill: because i couldn't access a file when running apt as root. |
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| 13:38.44 | jelly | rdz: that's a) wrong package but also b) those links are often out of date. tracker.debian.org is probably more useful |
| 13:38.57 | rdz | jelly, right.. wrong package |
| 13:39.03 | rdz | jelly, thanks about the tracker info |
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| 13:43.21 | rdz | jelly, thanks for your help.. i finally was able to figure out whether the issue was addressed (it is). i didn't hear about tracker.debian.org before... that's very valuable to know |
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| 13:43.28 | jelly | ,v linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64 |
| 13:43.29 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 13:43.32 | jelly | ,v linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 13:43.34 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.16.0-8-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 13:43.34 | rdz | probably could be linked somewhere more prominently |
| 13:43.40 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 13:44.01 | jelly | my apt-cache policy shows Candidate: 3.16.64-2 |
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| 13:44.26 | at0m | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:44.27 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.19+102~bpo9+1; sid: 4.19+102; buster: 4.19+104 |
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| 14:11.55 | xro30 | just wondering, anyone give me advise the best channel for learning hacking |
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| 14:13.31 | JoeD | Hi! I'm trying to read HowToPackageForDebian, but I need more basic documentation. The HowToPackageForDebian starts right away with "initial compilation" |
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| 14:13.50 | EdePopede | xro30: you don't learn hacking in a channel, you do it by understanding how everything works. far beyond what an average desktop user needs to know |
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| 14:15.31 | JoeD | If there is no "pre"-HowToPackageForDebian, I'll try to learn some of the technical terms before HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 14:16.39 | themill | !nmg |
| 14:16.39 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 14:22.07 | JoeD | dpkg: package basics |
| 14:22.07 | dpkg | "Basics of the Debian package management system" is a chapter of the Debian GNU/Linux <FAQ>, which describes the Debian package format. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics . To create your own Debian packages, ask me about <nmg>. |
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| 14:50.38 | numbie | hey, are the jessie ftp backports sources down? |
| 14:51.06 | nkuttler | !jessie |
| 14:51.06 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
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| 15:06.28 | Slashman | hello, I'm trying to make sure that a variable is only a string of alphanumeric char but when I try this: foo="a/b"; if ! [[ $foo =~ [a-z]{1,40} ]]; then echo fail; fi , it does match, am I missing something? |
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| 15:09.04 | SerajewelKS | Slashman: you have to anchor the regex. =~ ^[a-z]{1,40}$ |
| 15:09.22 | SerajewelKS | Slashman: otherwise the regex is allowed to match anywhere in the string, and the "a" substring is a match |
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| 15:09.42 | xVim | How is the best-choice program in update-alternatives determined? Manual page says "path of the best alternative for this link group", but that does not help. Is that priority-based? If so, how is it determined when multiple options with same priority exist? |
| 15:09.49 | Slashman | SerajewelKS: okay, makes sense, thank you |
| 15:10.11 | greycat | Also note that [a-z] does not necessarily mean the same as [[:lower:]] and you SHOULD be using the latter. |
| 15:11.01 | Slashman | greycat: I didn't know that, what's the difference? |
| 15:11.36 | SerajewelKS | one difference is that [[:lower:]] will match non-latin lowercase as well |
| 15:11.42 | CpAj0 | i have a problem with .profile with go compiler because at start up if i type "go" -> command not found if i type "source .profile" the go command run successfully |
| 15:11.55 | CpAj0 | in .profile file i have this line export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin |
| 15:12.05 | greycat | Depending on your locale, the ordering of [a-z] may not be the same as ASCII and may include capital letters and non-ASCII characters |
| 15:12.12 | Slashman | ok, in this case, I'm fine with ascii |
| 15:12.33 | Slashman | ok, good to know |
| 15:12.46 | xVim | CpAj0: Perhaps .profile is not read on startup, perhaps because you have an existing .bash_profile or .bash_login |
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| 15:14.40 | CpAj0 | xVim, no i have only .bashrc |
| 15:15.39 | Slashman | I guess that if ! [[ $foo =~ ^[[:alnum:]]+$ ]]; then echo fail; fi is the better option then? |
| 15:16.07 | SerajewelKS | depending on what you are trying to do, yeah |
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| 15:17.25 | Slashman | I want only alphanumeric, so it seems like the best option |
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| 15:21.22 | xVim | CpAj0: Sorry then I don't know why your .profile is not read upon startup. Perhaps add the part of your .profile which modifies $PATH to your .bashrc? |
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| 15:22.24 | xVim | It sounds a bit like your $PATH could be modified inside .profile. Typically, ~/bin is added to $PATH there. |
| 15:22.46 | xVim | if your go compiler is placed there, this might help |
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| 15:23.24 | xVim | Alternatively, just add the source .profile line to your .bashrc |
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| 15:23.37 | xVim | But I am pretty new and I am not sure I give sound advice |
| 15:23.59 | greycat | That sounds like an infinite loop waiting to happen, since .profile should already be sourcing .bashrc. |
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| 15:24.43 | greycat | .profile is only used when you have a login shell, e.g. when you login on a text console or through sshd. It is NOT read by a graphical login of ANY kind. |
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| 15:37.47 | xVim | greycat: Is there an equivalent file for .profile in case you use a non-login-shell? |
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| 15:38.09 | greycat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles |
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| 15:38.37 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
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| 15:39.07 | xVim | Thank you. |
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| 15:47.13 | EdePopede | sounds like bash would need #ifndef ;) |
| 15:48.18 | greycat | The other day we have a SuSE guy in #bash and he was tracking down some variable stuff... anyway, it turns out SuSE said "fuck it" and made EVERY bash config file dot in EVERY OTHER bash config file in some kind of gigantic clusterfuck from hell. It's insane. |
| 15:48.22 | justthedoctor | is there a way to enable 32bit and 64bit installation with apt-get, then is it possible to go back and apt-get update or something that will pull the 32bit of all the stuff that is installed as 64bit only? |
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| 15:50.00 | greycat | Debian doesn't really mess with upstream packages in that way, except for the addition of ~/.xsessionrc a few years back. |
| 15:50.03 | EdePopede | greycat: they also used to have a wm decoration with their gecko sitting on top of every window a requirement of one of the 3 base KDE packages. let's wait for more to come :) |
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| 15:51.03 | karlpinc | EdePopede: Hey, it's a nice gecko. |
| 15:52.21 | EdePopede | karlpinc: sure, i also had the sticker on my tower when i used id. but i also used a theme which doesn't make the titlebar wider than needed around the same time. desktop space is gold :) |
| 15:53.09 | EdePopede | and maybe i would even have used it at occasion. but not if they force me to install with an insane dependency. |
| 15:54.51 | EdePopede | and should debian ever want its own animal, i'd plead for a capybara. they're just great and lovely and everything |
| 15:55.26 | greycat | Debian's animal would be the platypus, because it was designed by a committee. |
| 15:55.45 | EdePopede | huh? |
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| 15:56.22 | EdePopede | oh. nice one too :) |
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| 16:12.01 | karlpinc | Debian deserves a mythical animal. |
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| 16:57.40 | Everspace | Slashman: be careful, :alphanum: will capture non-ascii |
| 16:58.49 | Everspace | If you want to specifically be "ascii only" then [A-Za-z0-9]+ is what you probably want. |
| 16:59.15 | greycat | [[:alnum:]]+ |
| 16:59.30 | Slashman | Everspace: that's fine, the real chars I want to avoid are specials like space, slash, dot, etc |
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| 16:59.47 | Everspace | Than you're good |
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| 17:00.34 | dob1 | hi, in a bash script can I force to use a specific dns server doing all the operations in the bash script? for example if in the bash script I have wget google.com to resolve google.com it will use the dns server on /etc/resolve.conf. I would like to override this but just in the bash script |
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| 17:01.30 | dob1 | there is not an environment variable for this? |
| 17:02.31 | Everspace | I'm not sure you can fiddle with hostfiles like that. My initial thought is to put it in some sort if virtual environment or box with the correct hosts (docker or something?) |
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| 17:03.25 | Sleaker | dob1: closest thing would be to temporarily override your hosts file |
| 17:03.27 | ksk | eh, cant you variable a "dig +short @your.dns.server" inside your script? |
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| 17:04.14 | ksk | and then tell wget to connect to that resulting ip. |
| 17:04.36 | dob1 | wget was just an example |
| 17:04.45 | dob1 | ah |
| 17:04.46 | Everspace | With the correct -H "Host: my.example.com" |
| 17:05.08 | Everspace | or whatever it is (that's curl) |
| 17:05.24 | dob1 | storing the ip of the server in a variable after using dig against the dns server I would like to use? |
| 17:06.53 | dob1 | ksk, I think it's a good idea |
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| 17:08.18 | greycat | dob1: GNU libc does *not* support overriding /etc/resolv.conf with an environment variable. The only resolver library I know of which does support that is DJB's, which nobody is using. Your best bet is probably to set up a chroot or container for this. |
| 17:08.58 | dob1 | greycat, but the idea of ksk seems good to me |
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| 17:09.21 | greycat | to basically write your own resolver in bash? suuuure, ok. |
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| 17:10.00 | dob1 | greycat, storing the result of dig +short @dns url to a variable and then use this variable in this script instead of the url |
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| 17:10.32 | greycat | as I said. |
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| 17:12.52 | jhutchins_wk | . |
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| 17:14.17 | greycat | In *theory* I suppose you could use LD_PRELOAD to override the glibc resolver functions with a resolver that you can actually control, but I've never attempted it. |
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| 17:14.48 | greycat | A chrooted service (systemd has a nice specification language for it) would be a lot simpler. |
| 17:16.03 | dob1 | greycat, I keep it simple and stupid :) |
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| 17:28.41 | GNU\colossus | greycat, that is indeed possible; cwrap does that (wrap/spoof nss results) |
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| 17:35.30 | greycat | Hmm, resolver(3) says there is an environment variable LOCALDOMAIN that can basically override "domain foo.com" from the config file, and a HOSTALIASES environment variable whose functionality is not described at all... but nothing to override "nameserver w.x.y.z". |
| 17:35.52 | greycat | Just figured I should check again, since it has been a few years. |
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| 17:52.12 | dob1 | greycat, thanks for looking at it |
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| 18:42.49 | snipe | yo! |
| 18:43.17 | snipe | anyone got a clue how to install goggle drive ?:P step by step plz ! thank you in advance |
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| 18:44.07 | snipe | ?? goggle drive |
| 18:44.12 | snipe | !! goggle drive |
| 18:45.28 | greycat | You start by learning how to spell google. |
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| 18:45.46 | greycat | Once you know how to do that, you can use their search engine to search for that term. |
| 18:45.55 | ziti | no one actually knows how to install google drive |
| 18:45.59 | ziti | it's one of life's great mysteries |
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| 18:47.19 | jmcnaught | snipe: if you are using GNOME, then go to settings, online accounts, add your google account there |
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| 18:47.41 | Sleaker | technically it's a part of nautilus, which is a part of the default GNOME DE. |
| 18:47.58 | Sleaker | so if you want to use nautilus as your FM it's available. |
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| 19:20.01 | jhutchins_wk | Sleaker: Not available as a stand-alone CLI utility still? |
| 19:20.36 | Sleaker | jhutchins_wk: I mean if you want to use someone's tool there's probably something available for that. |
| 19:20.52 | Sleaker | but google doesn't release a drive client for linux officially. |
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| 19:39.47 | lapideviridi | I'm trying to use udev rules to bind two USB devices to static names for convenience, rather than them showing up as /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1. I need to know which is which. I followed these (https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66901/how-to-bind-usb-device-under-a-static-name) instructions and added my rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/my_rules.rules. However, when I reboot and try to talk to the devices using a serial monitor, both symlinks |
| 19:39.47 | lapideviridi | actually point to "ais_radio". I can still access gsm_modem modem by using /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1. If I comment out either of the lines, the other rule works as intended after reboot. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S7GQ5fNtBM/ Any suggestions? |
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| 20:24.31 | thatpythonguy | anyone know how to increase cursor size in X? not using a DE |
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| 20:26.41 | jhutchins_wk | thatpythonguy: Might be something here: https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
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| 20:27.01 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, in X. |
| 20:28.34 | jhutchins_wk | thatpythonguy: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/236159/bigger-x11-cursors-suitable-for-4k-screens https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35271058/fix-a-badly-sized-xorg-cursor-that-is-clipped-truncated |
| 20:29.28 | kek_ | hi, I have a fresh install here and just got "Err http://ftp.debian.org jessie-updates/main amd64 Packages 404". How come I get a 404 here? |
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| 20:32.21 | greycat | !jessie-updates |
| 20:32.22 | dpkg | jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17. |
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| 20:37.17 | kek_ | dpkg, so I have to update to a newer version of debian? |
| 20:37.18 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, kek_ |
| 20:37.37 | kek_ | ah ups lol |
| 20:37.39 | kek_ | greycat, ^ |
| 20:37.43 | greycat | You *should*. But what you *must* do right now is stop trying to use the jessie-updates source. Just remove it. |
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| 20:39.39 | kek_ | greycat, ok thanks |
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| 20:49.53 | snipe | yooo |
| 20:50.01 | snipe | anyone using bitchx |
| 20:50.01 | snipe | >? |
| 20:50.18 | greycat | ,popcon bitchx |
| 20:50.20 | judd | Popcon data for bitchx: inst: 32, vote: 12, old: 20, recent: 0, nofiles: 0 |
| 20:50.24 | greycat | "No." |
| 20:50.41 | snipe | but well someone might be using it |
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| 20:52.28 | greycat | It's no longer packaged, so if someone's using it, they're using it from upstream (thus not tracked by popcon), or on an ancient version of Debian (pre-wheezy). |
| 20:52.45 | greycat | Why are you asking this? |
| 20:53.09 | snipe | cause i want to know why loading screen doesnt prompt original fonts from bitchx :P |
| 20:53.18 | snipe | showing squares nowdays |
| 20:53.34 | greycat | are you saying that YOU are using bitchx? |
| 20:54.13 | snipe | do you have a clue how to change realname ? |
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| 20:54.19 | snipe | username i say~ |
| 20:54.20 | snipe | xD |
| 20:54.28 | greycat | "Yes, greycat, I am using bitchx and I have the following problem with it: ..." |
| 20:54.40 | greycat | It is not packaged in Debian and not supported here. Go ask in #bitchx. |
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| 21:12.24 | Wally | Is there a way to tell apt to just update plasma from unstable? |
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| 21:12.56 | snipe | add the unstable's on wiki |
| 21:13.00 | snipe | after main |
| 21:13.41 | Wally | I'm aware of adding unstable via /etc/apt/sources.list but I just want to ensure that only plasma is updated. |
| 21:13.44 | Wally | nothing else. |
| 21:14.31 | Sleaker | Wally: then make sure your apt command only installs plasma? |
| 21:14.38 | Sleaker | eg: don't run dist-upgrade |
| 21:14.50 | Wally | Well it's more to be cautious just in case I do run dist-upgrade :P |
| 21:14.55 | Wally | as it's happened many times before. |
| 21:15.15 | Sleaker | Wally: the only way to prevent that is to pin the packages you don't want to update, but that prevents them from updating ever. |
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| 21:15.52 | Wally | yeah it's a bit tricky, maybe I just deal with Plasma until the next stable release. The reason I ask is I got a new laptop and I already installed Fedora.. Disliking it so i'm going to install Debian |
| 21:16.14 | Wally | my biggest quelm was that plasma was quite a bit out of date.. |
| 21:16.26 | Wally | I suppose I could compile the latest version. |
| 21:16.33 | Sleaker | so adjust your apt lists to install the updated plasma after base installation, then remove unstable from your apt lists. |
| 21:16.51 | Sleaker | I fail to see how that's easier than just installing it from unstable. |
| 21:16.56 | Wally | Well that's true. |
| 21:17.31 | Wally | then i guess if a newer version comes out in stable it would superceed that one in unstable> |
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| 21:17.47 | Sleaker | +correct. |
| 21:17.52 | Sleaker | however, that's unlikely. |
| 21:17.58 | Wally | Yeah I figure, until Buster comes out |
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| 21:18.45 | Sleaker | uhh, testing is where buster is right now iirc, and it's frozen. |
| 21:19.02 | Wally | :) |
| 21:19.25 | Wally | Maybe I should just install Buster Testing.. I do like to live on the edge a little. heh |
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| 21:20.40 | Murgoth | Someone please help me create a crontab that runs at 12:00 always on the first Sunday of each month |
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| 21:23.29 | Wally | Sleaker thanks :) |
| 21:24.13 | SerajewelKS | Murgoth: that's not really something you can do with cron, unless your script does additional checks. why not a systemd timer unit? |
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| 21:28.02 | SerajewelKS | Murgoth: a timer with this should work: OnCalendar=Sun *-*-1..7 12:00:)0 |
| 21:28.14 | SerajewelKS | i meant 12:00:00 of course |
| 21:28.45 | Wally | Depends if they're talking 12 or 24 hour time though |
| 21:28.59 | ircarcs | SerajewelKS: maybe it's not GNU/Linux Debian but FreeBSD debian :) so cron with script :) |
| 21:29.04 | inclusa | quit |
| 21:29.09 | SerajewelKS | well there was no AM/PM specifier. in the absence of that, i assume 24 hour. |
| 21:29.19 | Wally | SerajewelKS yeah it's safe to assume that ;) |
| 21:29.30 | ircarcs | or maybe not |
| 21:30.55 | Murgoth | Wally 24hour.. |
| 21:31.09 | Wally | Better to be safe than sorry. |
| 21:31.16 | SerajewelKS | ircarcs: maybe. i've never seen anyone in here asking about debian freebsd. not saying it doesn't happen, but i'm not going to ask every person which they are using. i'll assume they are using the vastly more popular in the absence of an explicit specification. |
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| 21:31.53 | Murgoth | I found this template: 00 12 * * 7 [ $(date +\%d) -le 07 ] && /script |
| 21:32.12 | SerajewelKS | yep that can work too |
| 21:32.22 | ircarcs | SerajewelKS: right, sorry. i assume that i doo not have the answer right now ! |
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| 21:32.54 | SerajewelKS | Murgoth: note that a systemd timer has other advantages. you can see when it was last run, as well as exactly when it is scheduled to run next (which makes it much easier to verify that your configuration is correct). |
| 21:33.08 | SerajewelKS | OTOH, a timer has more obnoxious boilerplate |
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| 21:35.33 | SerajewelKS | Murgoth: timers also allow you to add random variance, which can be useful to avoid spikes. e.g. if you're administering a fleet of hundreds of VMs against an external service, you don't want a job on all of them to hit at exactly the same time. |
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| 21:36.02 | SerajewelKS | that will probably overload the host system and the external service. you can tell systemd to randomly vary the scheduled time within some number of seconds/minutes to try to distribute the load out over time. |
| 21:38.02 | Murgoth | SerajewelKS Thank you.. |
| 21:38.24 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 21:40.13 | SerajewelKS | (the certbot package in debian does this so that all debian boxes in the world aren't spiking the let's encrypt servers at the same time every day. the certbot timer is randomized within 12 hours.) |
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| 22:23.07 | EdePopede | what?! https://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/26921/debian-stellt-auf-rpm-um.html |
| 22:24.04 | OerHeks | jups, and 32 bit only |
| 22:24.37 | tp43_ | anyone is expert fixing using Blender 3d program with the kuda driver. I have it install, but when I render, it say compilation error see console, but I am not sure what console, as fas as I knew, that was the console where I was reading that message. The top console, you pull down. I also checked the python console, and nothing. |
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| 22:39.01 | somiaj | tp43_: have you ran blender from a termianl (like xterm) and see if any errors are printed to stderr on that xterm. |
| 22:40.05 | tp43_ | somiaj, I tried that, I forget, but it didn't help, I can do it again and let you now more details, 1sec |
| 22:42.06 | tp43_ | gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
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| 22:44.52 | tp43_ | Ok, I install g++, but now it says: No supported gcc/g++ host compiler found, but clang-3.8 is available. Use 'nvcc -ccbin clang-3.8' to use that instead. |
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| 22:49.04 | somiaj | what version of the nvcc (nvidia cuda) do you have, seems older versions (possibly the version with stretch) didn't support g++-6 |
| 22:50.23 | tp43_ | somiaj, Cuda compilation tools, release 8.0, V8.0.44 |
| 22:50.29 | somiaj | according to nvidia's site, only g++-5 and g++-7 are supported in different ubuntu releases, but they have no specific support for stretch or g++-6 |
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| 22:51.34 | tp43_ | g++ (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516 |
| 22:52.26 | somiaj | https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/archive/8.0/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html -- yea, it appears that version of cuda only supports gcc-5 and not gcc-6. |
| 22:52.29 | somiaj | ,v g++-5 |
| 22:52.30 | judd | No package named 'g++-5' was found in amd64. |
| 22:52.44 | tp43_ | so I have g++ 6. Is it possible to install g++7 and still have stretch or do I have to downgrade debian to overder version |
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| 22:54.50 | somiaj | I'm unsure what you need to do to get it to work with stretch (I have never used it myself). But it appears that cuda 8.0 doesn't support gcc-6 (in stretch), but stretch dosen't offer the older gcc-5 as an option. |
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| 22:55.12 | somiaj | You may need to upgrade to a newer cuda (That supports gcc-7), and maybe that will also support the gcc-6 in stretch. |
| 22:55.57 | tp43_ | somiaj, with Jessie or wheezy you could install multiple gcc platforms, but with Stretch you can only install the latest which is gcc-7? |
| 22:56.29 | tp43_ | somiaj, but I have the kuda that is in repos, so I should check back ports to see if there is a newer version? |
| 22:56.41 | somiaj | with any release of debian you can only install the packages avaiable at the time of the release, in the case of stretch it was gcc-6, which is what you have. |
| 22:57.10 | somiaj | cuda is non-free, nvidia, you may need to get support for that from them, but from what I'm reading the cuda 8 doesn't support gcc-6 (the gcc you have in debian). |
| 22:57.47 | somiaj | In older versions of debian, there were often a few gcc options, like gcc-4.7, gcc-4.8, but this was back when they had quicker smaller releases. With their new release system, there isn't two available at the time of the release so only one is now provided. |
| 22:57.52 | somiaj | gcc-7 is what will come with bugster. |
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| 22:58.53 | somiaj | but the problem here is what cuda supports, and seems (from their docs), they don't target debian as any of the systems they support, and the ubuntu versions they target don't match stretch that well (either gcc-5 for older versions or gcc-7 for newer versions) |
| 22:58.54 | tp43_ | somiaj, so instead of the kuda installed via apt-get, I should goto nvidia site and get kuda |
| 22:59.26 | somiaj | I'm not quite sure what would be the best approach to get what you need working with cuda |
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| 22:59.44 | tp43_ | somiaj, what about installing debian jessie? |
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| 23:00.03 | somiaj | jessie to me would even be less supported on the graphics card side of things. |
| 23:00.39 | tp43_ | but maybe the repos have the same version of kuda and the older correctly matching gcc |
| 23:02.20 | somiaj | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00004.html |
| 23:02.23 | tp43_ | I will go the other way, try to get kuda from nvidia site |
| 23:02.33 | somiaj | might just be that cuda doesn't work as expected with stretch for you (and it is cuda not kuda) |
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| 23:05.55 | Ruth | hello world |
| 23:05.57 | tp43_ | somiaj, i am thinking it works with jessie then, it is only a stretch problem |
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| 23:06.02 | tp43_ | Ruth, hello |
| 23:06.03 | zmeu | hello guys. i have an issue who i dont know how to fix. on side A > B i made a tunnel via GRE, and i run on those sides BGP, when accept all imports in side A the entire network are unreachable, i cannot ping any ip , only way to reach is via ping x.x.x.x -I side.B.tunnel, what i am doing wrong, i want to transfer all import peers from side B to side A. thank you |
| 23:06.37 | somiaj | sure, but jessie has no destkop security so browsers, graphic drivers and such might be outdated and insecure. |
| 23:06.42 | tp43_ | somiaj, I have two option, downgrade to old stable debian or go with on of those supported Ubuntu os's. But I'd rather use old debian than switch to ubuntu |
| 23:06.46 | somiaj | maybe just wait for buster to release |
| 23:07.13 | somiaj | there might be other ways to get it to work, I just don't know of any. |
| 23:07.52 | tp43_ | somiaj, thx for helping me |
| 23:09.15 | tp43_ | somiaj, when is buster going to release, is it fixed yet? |
| 23:10.13 | tp43_ | could be more than a month away |
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| 23:11.29 | tp43_ | maybe I could install jessie just in a virtual box |
| 23:13.57 | somiaj | buster is frozen, its release should be in the upcomming months, 3-6 is my guess |
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| 23:16.42 | tp43_ | I was trying some old nvidia cards, and they used legacy nvidia drivers, and kuda wasn't working at all |
| 23:17.25 | tp43_ | I did a couple purges and re-installs of my xfce4 desktop. And now my install seems to be missing some packages. Like when I left click in FF there is no padding. I am missing styles in many places |
| 23:17.53 | tp43_ | sorry, I mean Like when I *right click in FF |
| 23:19.37 | tp43_ | what is easiest vitualization? I can't seem to find virtual box. That one was easy |
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| 23:22.24 | tp43_ | virtualbox isn't in repos anymore |
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| 23:24.18 | Unit193 | It is in unstable and most likely backports, just not in stable. |
| 23:24.24 | rant | ,v virtualbox |
| 23:24.25 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4+b1; experimental/contrib: 6.0.2-dfsg-1~exp4; buster/contrib: 6.0.4-dfsg-5 |
| 23:24.37 | rant | tp43_: its in stretch-backports |
| 23:24.54 | rant | and buster will be releasing soon with it as well |
| 23:25.13 | Unit193 | #794466, so maybe not. |
| 23:25.14 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 23:25.24 | tp43_ | I am going to try xen instead |
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| 23:26.34 | judd | my bugs database is broken today and I'm sulking |
| 23:26.36 | rant | whatever virtualizes your os.. I prefer virtualbox its very simple to use but I dont really use it much just to create and clone boxes to test things for support purposes.. I like something thats simple to get a machine up and running that I'll prob never use again |
| 23:26.49 | Unit193 | judd: I am sorry, mate! |
| 23:26.50 | judd | No package named 'am' was found in stretch/amd64. |
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| 23:27.03 | tp43_ | oh wait, I think xen is something more advanced |
| 23:27.09 | Unit193 | Yes. |
| 23:27.30 | rant | yeah well bugs wasnt the only thing broken today.. it gave the same error on doing ,i earlier on OFTC too |
| 23:27.35 | Unit193 | kvm would have been a better option than Xen, but vbox is most certainly pretty easy./ |
| 23:28.21 | tp43_ | Unit193, yeah, kvm is more advanced that virtual box too. |
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| 23:28.45 | tp43_ | but kvm doesn't need to be loaded by boot loader |
| 23:28.53 | rant | lately I just been keeping base installs for all 3 branches, and clean installs for each of the 7 DE and I just clone from those to test things when people ask about something and I dont wanna muck my machine up testing it |
| 23:29.19 | rant | virtualbox makes this stuff all incredibly simple |
| 23:29.37 | Unit193 | rant: With or without vbox-ext-pack? |
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| 23:30.23 | tp43_ | kvm is gonna be a lot of work eh, just to install old stable. Would be easier to just get Virtual Box from backports |
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| 23:31.57 | rant | Unit193: ext pack isnt needed for this sort of thing |
| 23:32.26 | rant | tp43_: why do you want old stable? there may be other options |
| 23:33.38 | rant | tp43_: if this is all just to run some particular package from oldstable debootstrap and schroot may be the wiser choice |
| 23:34.00 | rant | or forward porting whatever it is |
| 23:34.07 | tp43_ | rant, cause I want to use Blender, but current g++ and kuda in stretch are not lining up. kuda requires g++7 or 5 but stretch repo only have 6 |
| 23:34.43 | tp43_ | debootstrap and chroot, I never did it before, advanced stuff |
| 23:35.16 | rant | tp43_: as far as "advanced" goes debootstrap and chroot is really simple and I can get you through it in minutes |
| 23:35.27 | rant | in less time than it'd take to install into a virtual machine |
| 23:36.14 | tp43_ | rant, ok lets do it thanks. |
| 23:38.33 | rant | tp43_: 1) apt install debootstrap schroot 2) mkdir /opt/jessie (your choice of where to put it) 3) debootstrap jessie /opt/jessie deb.debian.org 4) edit /etc/schroot.conf 5) chroot /opt/jessie 6) install whatever else you want i.e. blender and such 7) exit chroot and you can now run this app using schroot blender or such |
| 23:38.58 | rant | tp43_: schroot.conf will already exist with many examples you need only uncomment and modify to suit |
| 23:39.33 | rant | tp43_: schroot is handy because it sets up the environment and such i.e. for runnig X apps you need not fool with stuff like xauth and such |
| 23:40.18 | rant | doing it this way, you will only be installing the minimal stuff needed to support your app and not having the overhead not only of disk space, but of other resources like ram and CPU because you're not running a whole virtualized machine |
| 23:40.37 | rant | nor will you have to boot any such machine to use the programs in the chroot |
| 23:40.50 | tp43_ | rant, sounds awesome, I am going to do it now |
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| 23:41.30 | shibboleth | do we know more about when buster release by now? |
| 23:41.47 | rant | tp43_: the debootstrap just downloads and unpacks a base install for the given suite into the given target using the given mirror.. so once its done you'll have a base install of jessie in /opt/jessie and you can just chroot there and apt install more stuffs |
| 23:42.00 | rant | shibboleth: same as every release before it, WIR (When Its Ready) |
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| 23:42.34 | rant | shibboleth: and same as every release before it, this is tracked by the debian bug tracking system https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 23:43.15 | rant | shibboleth: currently there are 236 bugs that must be fixed, last week it was over 300 |
| 23:43.49 | shibboleth | alright. any more news on the signed grub, why the certain love for shim? |
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| 23:43.58 | shibboleth | sudden love |
| 23:44.37 | rant | shibboleth: could be this month, could be may, june.. but I'd say def by july.. depends on if more RC bugs arise and how long it takes to squash em.. you can put your bets in any time :P |
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| 23:45.11 | rant | its somewhat a tradition during freeze for users to guess the release date :D |
| 23:46.08 | rant | as for UEFI I hope it dies.. its stupid and needs to go away |
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| 23:46.37 | rant | the concept in and of itself could be nice for certain scenarios but the implementation is ignorant and stupid |
| 23:46.47 | shibboleth | uhm? |
| 23:47.13 | shibboleth | i was under the impression that the reason debian has shunned shim is that they can't reproduce the signed binary |
| 23:48.24 | rant | I have no idea.. if I wanted to be locked out of my device I'd run windows, android, or install the linux genuine advantage |
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| 23:48.43 | tp43_ | rant, I dont see any jessie inside the schroot.conf |
| 23:48.49 | rant | or IOS I guess |
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| 23:50.59 | tp43_ | rant, ok I put the whole url |
| 23:51.13 | aloo_shu | [00:45] <rant> its somewhat a tradition during freeze for users to guess the release date :D - #ircbook :) |
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| 23:51.49 | rant | tp43_: thats not important.. the [name] is just what you're going to call the chroot this is only used for running the schroot command |
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| 23:52.24 | rant | tp43_: see man schroot.conf for more info on what you can do with schroot configuration |
| 23:52.39 | tp43_ | rant, ok |
| 23:52.43 | shibboleth | any greybeards care to chime in? |
| 23:52.49 | rant | tp43_: you can choose which user things run as, etc.. you may as such want to create a user inside the chroot so that you are not running your apps as root |
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| 23:53.07 | shibboleth | i seem to recall debians beef with shim being that they can't reproduce a binary signed by msft |
| 23:53.59 | rant | tp43_: only must haves is a [name] and directory= for your case.. but you may also want to as mentioned specify a user or other things |
| 23:54.29 | tp43_ | rant, ok |
| 23:55.14 | rant | tp43_: you can always just chroot /opt/jessie and run stuff, schroot just allows you to do it seemlessly automatically setting up various things like xauth so you could just make a menu/desktop entry for something and run it like normal from inside the chroot without having to figure out all the intricate crap involved with xauth |
| 23:55.16 | tp43_ | ok, cause I have to be root to run chroot |
| 23:55.35 | rant | tp43_: thats the other thing about schroot, it runs as a normal user |
| 23:55.37 | tp43_ | I put it in my home dir /home/myuser/myChrootDir |
| 23:56.27 | rant | tp43_: use chroot just to get in and finish setting things up.. like adding a user, installing stuff, then you'll use schroot when you want to actually run stuff |
| 23:56.53 | LikWidChz | Any of you guys know what you need to do for UEFI boot? |
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| 23:57.15 | rant | tp43_: look in /usr/share/applications/ for .desktop files you can use as a template and put them in ~/.local/share/applications/ if you want to create menu or desktop entries for a program |
| 23:57.15 | tp43_ | rant, i see, thx |
| 23:58.11 | rant | tp43_: tip the chroot will have desktop files probably already for X apps installed in it in /chroot-path/usr/share/applications you need only copy to your ~/.local on the host |