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| 00:00.36 | rant | tp43_: you would of course need to modify the exec= line of such .desktop files to execute schroot command of course |
| 00:01.01 | tp43_ | rant, I'm not there yet |
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| 00:02.17 | tp43_ | If I go chroot into my newley installed debian old stable in my /home/myuser/myJessieSys, then my screen is going to flash and I will be looking at debian jessie? |
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| 00:03.19 | tp43_ | rant, when you say edit /etc/schroot.conf, is that the my host systems /etc/ or the deboostrap one |
| 00:04.47 | tp43_ | well, my debootstrap system doesn't have /etc/schroot/schroot.conf file anyway |
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| 00:15.36 | rant | tp43_: schroot is on the host |
| 00:15.58 | tp43_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:16.50 | tp43_ | oh, I did typo |
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| 00:17.09 | Lope | My server has 2x hard drives for linux software raid 1 |
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| 00:17.19 | tp43_ | vworked |
| 00:17.32 | Lope | On my hard drives I've got 2 partitions, 512MB for /boot and then the rest for data |
| 00:17.51 | Lope | Am I supposed to only raid sda2 and sdb2 together for the data. |
| 00:18.04 | Lope | Or am I supposed to also raid sda1 and sdb1 together? |
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| 00:18.52 | Lope | I've seen people say to keep sda1 and sdb1 separate. But then how the hell would linux update the kernel in both separate sda1 and sdb1 filesystems at the same time? |
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| 00:20.17 | rant | a raid uses a mapper and takes two or more drives i.e. sda and sdb and presents them as dm1 or such |
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| 00:20.50 | rant | in a real raid the OS, kernel, userland, etc should have no idea the two drives even exist |
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| 00:27.19 | kubkde | Hello, does Buster support installing with a fat32 boot and XFS (or F2FS) root? I usually have to chroot after a 'failed' installation on Ubuntu flavors to finish |
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| 00:40.36 | tp43_ | rant, blender doesn't work, Segmentation fault. Ignoring Xlib error |
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| 00:42.24 | tp43_ | there is no nvidia-detect in old stable? |
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| 00:43.47 | rant | ,v nvidia-detect |
| 00:43.48 | judd | Package: nvidia-detect on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 390.87-6; stretch/non-free: 390.87-8~deb9u1; experimental/non-free: 410.93-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 410.104-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 410.104-1 |
| 00:44.12 | LikWidChz | Is there a trick to using debian with a laptop for whatever reeeeeeeeeeetarded reason doesn't seem to boot anything unless its UFEI boot?? |
| 00:44.15 | tp43_ | oh I must enable non-free, thx rant |
| 00:45.07 | tp43_ | LikWidChz, you can just use cp myisoImage.iso /dev/myusb |
| 00:45.11 | rant | yeah, sell it, and go buy a laptop that isnt reeeeeeeeeetarded |
| 00:45.26 | rant | or go buy a 2nd one and shit on one, and use the other to cover it up with :D |
| 00:45.34 | rant | hates UEFI |
| 00:45.45 | LikWidChz | haha |
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| 00:47.13 | LikWidChz | tp43_, so like I tried mint linux it boots to it, installs just fine then once it reboots, fu insert boot device. I tried to use the debian net install and use rufus to make a uefi boot so thats a fail. Im installing windows 10 just to see if I can update the bios and then try debian/mint and see if the bios is just retarded. Shitting on it is the 2nd option. |
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| 00:47.43 | LikWidChz | *boots to mint based off usb stick. |
| 00:48.28 | tp43_ | LikWidChz, oh you know how to make boot stick, this is a hardware problem, you need to make specific kind of boot disk. YOu need to make an UFEI boot disk |
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| 00:49.08 | LikWidChz | oh yeah? well humor me doesnt sound like people like UEFI boot and im beginning to dislike it also. |
| 00:49.22 | LikWidChz | its a feature that didnt need solving. |
| 00:50.09 | tp43_ | What about a program like USBbootdisk creator, I couldn't find it last time I looked, but it probably had option, just check the box, for UEFI, I think |
| 00:50.41 | tp43_ | Its what I used to use, but now we can just cp iso /dev/usb |
| 00:52.02 | aedinius | OpenFirmware > (U)EFI |
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| 00:52.21 | kubkde | LikWidChz, you should definitely get your BIOS up to date in case it hasn't already been patched for known vulns. If you have trouble booting in UEFI, I strongly recommend rEFInd as a boot manager |
| 00:52.33 | LikWidChz | so this is a lenovo yoga 2 11 laptop can you.... also do some linuxy bios hack??? |
| 00:53.16 | LikWidChz | well ill look the lenovo bios versions are a little cryptic with what they are currently at and what I have |
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| 00:54.10 | LikWidChz | but seriously, installing an OS just to do a bios update is pretty tard. |
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| 00:55.20 | protectionfault | We need laws that allow us to demand the specifications of technology, so we can develop our own software for it. EFI, firmware, blobs, drivers, whatever you call it, it's software and we have a right to know what it does. |
| 00:55.45 | LikWidChz | pretty good idea. |
| 00:56.28 | LikWidChz | tell that to console manufactures lol |
| 00:56.48 | kubkde | rEFInd has a tool for you to perform firmware updates, but I haven't tried it myself yet. I did manage to set in my own UEFI keys, though |
| 00:57.49 | LikWidChz | kubkde, -- SO as far as I know the bios update for lenovo requires you to be in windows run an exe... bios update .. done. Prior days you get a bin file and had to awdflash it with whatever and be done |
| 00:58.57 | Lope | I'm leaving out "sd" for readability here: I've got md0 = a1 & b1 and md1 = a2 & b2. |
| 00:59.02 | patterson | Given that UEFI is capable of acting as a teeny tiny OS, I fully expect an implementation where the UEFI can play Candy Crush |
| 00:59.07 | Lope | I chroot into the system, bind mount all the thing |
| 00:59.49 | patterson | I would prefer to use the board makers BIOOS update |
| 00:59.57 | Lope | Then I can't run `grub-install /dev/sda` or `grub-install /dev/sdb`. It gives some error about not being able to find the md0 disk? |
| 00:59.59 | kubkde | LikWidChz, oh that is strange. I think mine is the same case, but I can't recall whether or not extracting the bin to your boot part and choosing it worked |
| 01:00.35 | protectionfault | @patterson "Collect 200 popsicles to unlock advanced UEFI features." |
| 01:00.39 | LikWidChz | oooh kubkde that makes sense, yeah I know a handful of these folks auto unpack some compressed bullshit exe into some drivers dir |
| 01:00.42 | patterson | hedh |
| 01:01.12 | kubkde | For Dell at least, entering boot options presents that option. Probably different for you, but my preinstalled UEFI keys had lots of Lenovo bootloaders banned from booting so :p |
| 01:01.12 | LikWidChz | login to your facebook account to unlock uefi |
| 01:01.20 | kubkde | lol |
| 01:01.24 | protectionfault | shudders |
| 01:02.16 | LikWidChz | well the lenovo has turn uefi and legacy boot, but for some reason legacy boot does not work |
| 01:02.25 | patterson | I have a dim memory of some German Chaos Club UEFI evil hack |
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| 01:02.57 | LikWidChz | alright windows 10 isnt even booted and I already dont like it. |
| 01:04.30 | LikWidChz | its telling me "lots of great features to get excited about" |
| 01:04.38 | kubkde | Yeah...I'm using ntlite to remove as much spyware as I can from an ISO before using it. Otherwise it auto reinstalls itself after you delete it, like Cortana and Skype(???) from Nvidia |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | wonders which channel this is .. |
| 01:05.05 | LikWidChz | you can do that with nlight? LOL I remember using that on win2k was EEEEEPIC! the iso got down to 78mb |
| 01:05.10 | patterson | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.37 | LikWidChz | dont worry were talking shit about MS. so its good right? |
| 01:05.55 | abrotman | no |
| 01:06.14 | kubkde | Damn, that's impressive. |
| 01:06.29 | Lope | `grub-install /dev/sda` "installing i38x-pc platform\n grub-install: error: disk `md0` not found." |
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| 01:06.44 | LikWidChz | It was ages ago, I had a car PC wanted some bs that booted quick, 1ghz via cpu with like 512 ram.. |
| 01:07.19 | LikWidChz | Lope, wouldn't you install grub to /dev/md0 ? |
| 01:07.50 | Lope | LikWidChz, I thought you're meant to install grub to the root of the block device, before the partitions? |
| 01:07.57 | LikWidChz | or wait no ignore that, you dont have access to the raid device until you are booted |
| 01:08.03 | Lope | LikWidChz, md0 is sda1 and sdb1 |
| 01:08.38 | LikWidChz | then wouldnt you install to /dev/sda1 and not /dev/sda ? |
| 01:08.39 | protectionfault | ty abrotman, you're right, we were all veering off topic |
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| 01:13.25 | LikWidChz | well shit, using Rufus to make a debian netinstall boot disk? anyone would that work... uefi or not |
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| 01:20.53 | LikWidChz | Do any of you guys have a preference on what windows manager is good? KDE plasma seems pretty nice and so does mate.. |
| 01:21.30 | protectionfault | I like gnome's idea the best: no visible gui when it's not needed |
| 01:21.54 | LikWidChz | whats that mean? it doesnt auto start at boot or..? |
| 01:22.12 | protectionfault | there is no bar on the side, top or bottom |
| 01:22.21 | protectionfault | superkey controls everything |
| 01:22.38 | LikWidChz | oooh okay thats the default window manager for ubuntu right? |
| 01:22.53 | protectionfault | it's really easy to get used to, I'm using cinnamon now which is very "back to windows" in default settings |
| 01:23.19 | protectionfault | haven't checked out ubuntu for a while, but it is the default in debian |
| 01:23.20 | LikWidChz | I thought KDE was like pretty fancy looking more than cin |
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| 01:25.38 | protectionfault | I like just having a fullscreen console and whatever window I need on top of it, or below it |
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| 01:26.15 | protectionfault | but obviously these packages (gnome, cinnamon, kde, lxde) pack a lot more than just a gui |
| 01:27.05 | LikWidChz | Yah that makes sense, I guess I really dont mind which one but then again building a nas really ... yeah samba/mdadm... and thats about it. |
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| 01:28.34 | LikWidChz | I was actually pleasntly surprised how easy it was to take the net install, get kde plasma and it just work.... this was on a device that didnt have UEFI boot.. HA. |
| 01:29.10 | protectionfault | nas should have a minimal attack surface, so a gui could actually be counter productive |
| 01:29.23 | protectionfault | why not just minimal + ssh? |
| 01:29.50 | LikWidChz | Oh yeah, i might have not been clear, nas has minimal, mdadm and ssh, and samba. |
| 01:29.58 | protectionfault | ah ok |
| 01:30.27 | protectionfault | I've never had enough data for a nas |
| 01:31.20 | protectionfault | Or the guts to put anything of value on a raid set that I myself operate |
| 01:31.40 | LikWidChz | yeah I ended up buying some broken qnap devices thinking hey these will be easy, turned into.......... goddamn I need to buy a mini itx now that has 6 sata ports, then trouble finding a stupid core2 that booted in it... dumb. but now I have two identical nas's with 5 harddrive bays boots off an 80 gig ssd. |
| 01:33.18 | protectionfault | It's never a waste if you learned something, but it can be painfully unobvious what's wrong with raid, efi, boot order, etc etc, my respect for just taking on the project |
| 01:34.54 | LikWidChz | well funny thing was, I built a nas ages ago that had 5 1.5tb drives and 4 750 gigs.. but before I started the project someone loaned me 4 300 gig sata drives that I learned how to use mdadm with and did things like build the raid set and pull a cable, then plugged the drive in and tried to rebuild. |
| 01:35.19 | LikWidChz | killed the OS and re installed and see if I could still read the data on a raid5 set of disks outside what it was built for. |
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| 01:37.39 | velix_home | Is there something like "auto backports repositor" for Debian 9? |
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| 01:40.32 | abrotman | what does that mean? |
| 01:40.33 | LikWidChz | ... how does one download a deb file only? |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | LikWidChz: to do what? |
| 01:41.26 | LikWidChz | so laptop I just got mint installed on doesn't have wireless working and I need the package so I thought about downloading the file off another linux box ... pendriving it over exct.. |
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| 01:41.59 | abrotman | what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 01:42.15 | LikWidChz | Thanks for your help. |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | If you're using Mint, ask them, not us |
| 01:42.54 | LikWidChz | dont they use the same repositorys? |
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| 01:43.12 | abrotman | We support Debian here, not all the things based on Debian |
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| 01:45.36 | LikWidChzz | ... Seriously didnt have to ban me for asking a question. |
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| 01:46.23 | velix_home | abrotman: I mean, a repository, which has all kind of possible backports from Debian 10, like curl etc. |
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| 01:46.43 | velix_home | abrotman: Many packages can be backported without harsh modifications or big updates on the stable system. |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | velix_home: not really, but you can build them yourself, if they'll work |
| 01:46.55 | velix_home | abrotman: yeah, that's why I'm doing for some years ;) |
| 01:47.00 | abrotman | velix_home: Is this for a server or a workstation/laptop ? |
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| 01:47.10 | velix_home | abrotman: both. |
| 01:47.19 | velix_home | abrotman: I mean, I've got servers and workstations. |
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| 01:48.02 | abrotman | velix_home: if it were my workstation, I'd probably just go to buster at this point. Server (especially internet-exposed), I would continue to use the current stable until buster is released (and use few backports ifpossible) |
| 01:48.34 | velix_home | abrotman: ah, it's in deep freeze (or what it is called). |
| 01:48.40 | velix_home | abrotman: I'll setup a VM and try it out. |
| 01:48.51 | velix_home | or chroot, or docker ;) |
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| 02:23.05 | Lope | I accidentally messed up my MBR partition table. I tried to re-create it perfectly with f-disk. It seems to have found md0, however md1 doesn't come up and my LVM inside md1 is not detected. I ran testdisk https://i.imgur.com/rsdp3vil.png it sees the md1 and the LVM. What must I do to restore it? |
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| 02:25.15 | tp43_ | you cant re-create with f-disk, you need to use the lilo/grub program to re-create the boot up files |
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| 02:31.48 | karlpinc | Lope: The MBR and partition table are 2 different things. Can you boot into rescue mode off of the installer? That is often a good way to work on recovery. (Or, tell us more about just what is working and what is broken?) |
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| 02:32.36 | karlpinc | Lope: How do you know you perfectly restored the partition table? |
| 02:32.51 | tp43_ | I am missing some gtk packages, my FF right button menu has no padding, same with vim-gtk |
| 02:33.59 | karlpinc | (When working with a situation like this it is often best to dd the whole drive to another disk and work with that. That way you have a backup and don't mung things up worse.) |
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| 02:43.15 | Lope | karlpinc, I know that there were 2 partitions. The first one was 512MiB |
| 02:43.36 | Lope | The 2nd partition, consumed the rest of the disk space. |
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| 02:44.33 | Lope | So I recreated the partitions with F-Disk like that. I made the first partition 512M and the 2nd partition consume the rest of the space with default options. |
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| 02:58.55 | Lope | how do I make this structure in fdisk? https://i.imgur.com/rsdp3vil.png |
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| 03:04.41 | sussudio | Piggy has an SSD now. |
| 03:04.49 | Piggy | squeels |
| 03:04.53 | dvs | O_O |
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| 03:24.21 | karlpinc | Lope: (People tend to prefer plain text instead of images. They are so much eaiser to cut and paste from.) |
| 03:24.45 | karlpinc | Lope: paste.debian.net is good. |
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| 03:28.29 | karlpinc | Lope: If you're using fdisk I'd compute the last sector number directly when creating the first partition. (fdisk will round and do other things to put partitions on "nice" boundaries.) You could also use parted. parted is a bit painful because it wants exact offsets (or some such) but it is good for gettintg _exactly_ what you want. You will also want to be sure that the last sector in the 2nd partition is at exactly the right |
| 03:28.29 | karlpinc | offset. (or bigger) |
| 03:28.51 | annadane | any hints as to why i can't start xfce with startx? i followed the wiki instructions including editing /etc/pam.d/common-session, i'm not sure it gives me many errors within the tty |
| 03:29.41 | karlpinc | annadane: You're trying to start it as a regular user, not root? (Running X as root is perilous.) |
| 03:29.48 | annadane | regular user |
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| 03:31.04 | annadane | .xsession-errors does have a /home/annadane/.xsession: line 1: exec: ck-launch-session: not found |
| 03:31.10 | karlpinc | Lope: likewise, you need to get the first sector right. |
| 03:31.11 | Lope | tanks karlpinc I managed to figure out the perfect way to get the right sector size. |
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| 03:31.34 | Lope | How can I recover/repair the superblock of my mdadm raid 1 partition? |
| 03:32.48 | karlpinc | Lope: If all you broke was the start of the disk, MBR & partition table, then shouldn't that still be intact? |
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| 03:33.26 | karlpinc | annadane: Sorry. I always just poke X with a stick until it works. I've no helpful hints. |
| 03:33.29 | Lope | karl I would have thought so |
| 03:33.42 | annadane | well i'll see if i can just get lightdm to do the dirty work for me |
| 03:34.04 | Lope | karlpinc, I did this `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=62` and recreated the partition table. |
| 03:34.05 | karlpinc | Lope: Maybe the UUID of the partition is different and mdadm does not like this? |
| 03:34.17 | annadane | oh, already installed. hm. how do i get it to start on startup again? |
| 03:34.23 | karlpinc | Lope: (just a guess) |
| 03:34.24 | Lope | karlpinc, oh, that could be it |
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| 03:34.49 | Lope | how can I reinitialize the raid partition but keep all the data inside it? |
| 03:35.03 | karlpinc | Lope: I don't know how you discover the uuid, or fix it. But changing the uuid of the partition should be straightforward. |
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| 03:35.23 | Lope | problem is I don't know what the UUID was |
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| 03:35.28 | Lope | also, why does my LVM not appear? |
| 03:35.33 | annadane | oh maybe i need to reboot first, i'm not sure. i did install xorg and all that on the same boot, maybe something just has to load... |
| 03:36.02 | karlpinc | annadane: I wouldn't _think_ so, but can't hurt. |
| 03:36.04 | annadane | well, i'll fiddle with this and bug you all later |
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| 03:37.24 | karlpinc | Lope: If the LVM is in the raid then it won't be seen until the raid is up. (I don't know why your paste shows 2 partitions with different types using the same sectors. But I don't know the tool you are using.) |
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| 03:38.03 | Lope | the tool is called testdisk |
| 03:38.10 | Lope | okay, then let's get the raid up? |
| 03:38.12 | karlpinc | Lope: There should be a way to redo the raid. But it may be eaiser to, say, use "file -s /dev/..." to see the uuid the raid expects. |
| 03:38.20 | karlpinc | Lope: One step at a time. |
| 03:39.05 | Lope | my rescue CD doesn't have the file command, strangely. |
| 03:39.06 | karlpinc | Lope: Or just rebuild the raid. But I don't know how. (You could try reading the man pages. The answer is there, no doubt. :) |
| 03:39.17 | Lope | Debian Jessie |
| 03:39.22 | thik | you should put your swap file on raid partition |
| 03:39.43 | karlpinc | Lope: Do you have the root fs on the first partition or on the raid? |
| 03:40.05 | Lope | karlpinc, it's all in the raid |
| 03:40.13 | Lope | The first partition was just /boot |
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| 03:41.18 | Lope | mdadm --examine /dev/sda2 : "No md superblock detected on /dev/sda2" |
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| 03:41.37 | karlpinc | Lope: "file" comes with a big database |
| 03:41.40 | Lope | maybe my new fdisk alignment is wrong. |
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| 03:42.57 | Lope | my 2nd partition on both disks starts at block 1050624 |
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| 03:48.43 | thik | bolobks |
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| 03:54.13 | Lope | Please tell me if I have started my 2nd partition at the correct offset? (I got the offset by using fdisk's defaults and selecting a first partition of 512M. https://i.imgur.com/g7ENn50.png |
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| 03:56.28 | thik | crossposting? |
| 03:57.00 | thik | i think there a rule against that |
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| 04:02.32 | Lope | Thik sorry bud, I've worked the whole day and thru the night on this. it's 6am |
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| 04:47.02 | Lope | Great news, I found an old `fdisk -l` output, created partitions with the correct offsets and it works again. Now I just need to get grub to install successfully. |
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| 05:37.19 | tp43_ | rant, it works but not for blender |
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| 05:39.23 | tp43_ | blender crashes in chroot |
| 05:39.34 | tp43_ | sorry blender crashes in schroot |
| 05:39.54 | tp43_ | segmentation fault |
| 05:40.39 | tp43_ | could not get list of mounted file systems |
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| 05:44.20 | themill | for a 'desktop' type schroot, you make things like /dev and /sys available inside it which normally helps |
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| 05:51.04 | tp43_ | themill, thx |
| 05:51.17 | deleuze6 | Hi all, how does Debian handle u2f keys for support in web browsers (specifically firefox)? Should it 'just work'? |
| 05:51.33 | deleuze6 | (e.g. yubico secure key) |
| 05:52.52 | tarzeau | i'm waiting for debian to support TouchID |
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| 06:00.05 | Lope | I'm struggling my ass off to install grub. Please help? |
| 06:00.19 | Lope | Tried installing it on sda1 sdb1 and /dev/md0 |
| 06:01.23 | Lope | grub-probe: error: disk md0 not found |
| 06:01.42 | Lope | Been struggling for hours |
| 06:01.53 | Lope | I've installed grub via chroot a million times in the past. |
| 06:02.11 | Lope | burrently booted off a modern 4.9 kernel to ensure it's not because the kernel is too old. |
| 06:03.10 | deleuze6 | not much help but I seem to recall having this problem a few years ago, and needed to manually add the uuid |
| 06:03.20 | deleuze6 | to the grub configuration file |
| 06:03.21 | karlpinc | Lope: Boot off the installer into rescue mode. It has a menu item for installing grub. |
| 06:04.49 | Lope | karlpinc, I tried to use the rescue gui thing to install the grub bootloader. Fatal error. |
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| 06:04.59 | Lope | This is a debootstrapped installation |
| 06:05.11 | Lope | after debootstrapping I manually added the grub packages |
| 06:05.17 | Lope | maybe I have a missing package. |
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| 06:11.19 | endstille | Lope: i sometimes needed to install it via "grub-install /dev/sdX --force" but then it worked. message before was something like "not to block devices" but forcing it and then update-grub worked |
| 06:11.42 | endstille | i'm not 100% sure, what the scenario was, i think chrooting into some system to rescue it. |
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| 06:37.20 | deleuze6 | actually, the solution is to enable security.webauth.webauthn in about:config |
| 06:37.26 | deleuze6 | then it just works :) |
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| 06:40.41 | Lope | endstille: then did you need to force every time, or only the first time? |
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| 06:49.01 | mi11k1 | anybody familiar with vrtx blades? |
| 06:49.21 | mi11k1 | trying to use shared storage from perc8 shared to proxmox |
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| 07:04.27 | daniel-s | Hi. I got an error when upgrading with apt. This is the traceback. Is it worth submitting a bug report? |
| 07:04.28 | daniel-s | http://dpaste.com/2K8YJGA |
| 07:04.34 | daniel-s | That's all I got. |
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| 07:13.04 | themill | daniel-s: that's rather exciting... which release of Debian is this? |
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| 07:14.40 | themill | did apt fail to download that package? (trying to figure out why it would do a dummy spit) |
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| 07:17.38 | Unit193 | #793569 seems slightly related, perhaps. |
| 07:17.40 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 07:19.13 | Unit193 | (It is filed about a different issue, though amusingly has the same traceback.) |
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| 07:21.26 | Unit193 | #757203 too is interesting. |
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| 07:24.07 | daniel-s | themill: I'm on jessie currently, upgrading to buster. |
| 07:24.32 | themill | via stretch, I hope ;) |
| 07:24.41 | daniel-s | um.... no |
| 07:25.42 | themill | So yeah, not worth reporting because it was already found and fixed 4 years ago. |
| 07:26.02 | daniel-s | oh, lol, OK. |
| 07:26.23 | themill | As for your upgrade, how far into this are you? skip-upgrading isn't necessarily supported by maintainer scripts or by package relationships like conflicts/breaks |
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| 07:27.53 | daniel-s | It complained at one point about unmet dependencies, the version of systemd being installed was an issue, I tried with -f ....going to see what happens. |
| 07:28.20 | daniel-s | This is an old laptop that I haven't used for a few months. All my data has been backed up. |
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| 08:23.03 | snipe | https://pastebin.com/u2D8ENNd |
| 08:23.07 | snipe | someone kindly help me plz |
| 08:23.08 | snipe | ? |
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| 08:24.35 | snipe | i just figured out i have 2 source.list's one called "source.list" and the other "source.list~" |
| 08:24.44 | snipe | should i delete it ? |
| 08:25.12 | kaizoku | Anyone else running linux 4.20? I'm having some nmap trouble with it |
| 08:26.22 | toolz | snipe: try installing https://packages.debian.org/stretch/apt-transport-https |
| 08:27.22 | toolz | snipe: sudo apt install apt-transport-https should do it |
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| 08:32.23 | snipe | what is d-apt.list for ? |
| 08:32.44 | snipe | deb https://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/d-apt/ d-apt main #APT repository for D (NetCologne - SourceForge |
| 08:32.50 | snipe | i have this inside |
| 08:32.52 | snipe | why? |
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| 08:33.56 | snipe | is this necessary for 3D rendeing |
| 08:33.58 | snipe | rendering? |
| 08:34.41 | snipe | my sistem is broken :| normally it should go to X now i have to type startx |
| 08:34.48 | snipe | its in fallback mode |
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| 08:34.50 | snipe | how to fix it ? |
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| 08:36.13 | bhuddah | snipe:"~" at the end means "backup" |
| 08:36.21 | snipe | ty |
| 08:36.30 | snipe | its empty i rm -rf it |
| 08:37.23 | snipe | thank you bhuddah :) |
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| 08:46.07 | dym | Hi all! Im looking for the current working sources.list to Debian 8. Is it no addressed as oldstable? |
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| 08:46.31 | rant | tp43_: yes you mount --bind /dev/ /chroot/dev or such certain filesystems like /proc /sys /dev may be required for certain things to work |
| 08:46.34 | dym | What i found was this: https://pastebin.com/raw/NeuesU5Y |
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| 08:51.20 | jim | dym, I'd suggest using the name jessie as long as you want to ride in that car... when you're ready, you might upgrade |
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| 08:52.27 | dym | jim: do you have a source for a complete, working sources.list to jessie? (this is for a legacy project) |
| 08:52.35 | jim | I'd use the name jessie everywhere it says oldstable (and, jessie should still get security updates, but that's going away pretty soon) |
| 08:53.23 | jim | is it that you want to install jessie? |
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| 08:54.15 | mutante | guesses it is about PHP5 |
| 08:54.44 | dym | jim: no, i need to install a few packages to an old docker jessie/php5.3 image and the sources list there seems outdated (404 errors, see: https://pastebin.com/raw/8MSZaNQK) |
| 08:54.51 | dym | mutante: exactly. |
| 08:55.52 | mutante | maybe better do the conversion now than postponing it. very soon it will be a security issue |
| 08:56.14 | mutante | and 5->7 is likely replacing the mysql_ functions |
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| 08:56.40 | jim | PHP the language itself is probably not a piece of junk... however, the way it's maintained by the language designers, and how they release incompatible versions (examples include missing features, added and incompatible features)... you'd be MUCH better off going with a different scripting language and framework |
| 08:56.41 | dym | mutante: dont shoot the messenger :) |
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| 08:57.29 | jim | there's a messenger??! be vewwy vewwy quiet.,.. I'm hunting messengers! |
| 08:57.30 | dym | Thanks for all the hints and advice - i just need this working for now. I have input all my concerns reagarding the outdated state. |
| 08:57.43 | dym | ;D |
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| 08:58.39 | mutante | dym: "jessie-updates" is the problem |
| 08:58.42 | mutante | it has been deleted |
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| 08:59.19 | mutante | dym: so you can try removing the jessie-updates part and repeat it.. |
| 08:59.30 | mutante | and then tell the other people that isnt a thing anymore |
| 08:59.39 | mutante | so they will never get updates |
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| 09:00.22 | mutante | dym: compare f.e. public tickets like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219333 |
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| 09:02.00 | jim | dym, try this: https://termbin.com/0dgk |
| 09:02.23 | jim | dym, also: if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999. the IP address for termbin.com is 5.39.93.71 |
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| 09:03.45 | snipe | what should i do if i want to play warsow.net "game" with 250 fps ? i have vega 56 grafic card |
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| 09:04.02 | snipe | only showing 25/35 fps |
| 09:04.03 | snipe | :/ |
| 09:06.56 | snipe | i do glxinfo | grep "direct " YES |
| 09:07.07 | snipe | i do glxinfo | grep "opengl" loads of lines |
| 09:07.22 | snipe | anyone know how to trigger ? |
| 09:07.38 | tp43_ | rant, thx |
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| 09:49.03 | X3r0 | hey |
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| 09:52.15 | kaizoku | hey |
| 09:52.35 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:52.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:53.57 | _abc_ | Hello. On wheezy, how does one configure a mountable drive so it can be user mounted? On a live iso? |
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| 09:55.58 | X3r0 | hello |
| 09:56.05 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:56.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:56.33 | X3r0 | How to register a channel in IRC?? |
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| 09:58.29 | jelly | X3r0: for this network, you probably want to ask in #freenode channel |
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| 10:09.35 | _abc_ | I have a ext2 volume, the wheezy live iso (from linuxcnc.org) boots, the volume appears as an icon on the desktop, I can't mount it for lack of permissions, except as root. Is there a setting to make drives mountable by non-root in a wheezy live iso? |
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| 10:17.55 | nullbit | GNS3 is not working properly in my debian distro... |
| 10:18.43 | at0m | !doesnt work |
| 10:18.43 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 10:20.40 | at0m | ... and they quit |
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| 10:38.44 | _NiC | The mirror at ftp.no.debian.org is outdated (updates and backports). Is there anyone or anything I can poke? |
| 10:39.32 | milkt | !deb.debian.org |
| 10:39.32 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 10:41.00 | _NiC | deb.debian.org huh. Didn't even know about that. Thanks. :-) |
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| 10:47.24 | themill | _NiC: for which release? |
| 10:47.37 | _NiC | themill, stretch |
| 10:48.02 | _NiC | http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/ for example |
| 10:48.51 | themill | well, there's quite possibly nothing to add to that particular release, but yes that mirror hasn't updated for a week |
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| 10:50.28 | _NiC | the .se. mirror has a newer version of it at least |
| 10:50.52 | _NiC | or, newer timestamp. Not sure how the updates work. |
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| 11:25.33 | Ingvix | any idea why in buster I can use ctrl+s to save in nano but in stretch there's the regular 'XOFF ignored' message. .bashrc files are similar in both system. I'd like the same behavior in stretch as well |
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| 11:38.05 | Haohmaru | ,v kicad |
| 11:38.06 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; jessie-backports-sloppy: 4.0.7+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; experimental: 5.1~20190127.4fc692f+dfsg1-1 |
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| 11:39.48 | bruhbruh | is there a way when I connect to a server with ssh, what I'm doing through the session to be visible live on the server? |
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| 11:41.22 | milkt | bruhbruh: something like w command you mean? |
| 11:42.05 | bruhbruh | w command? |
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| 11:42.47 | petn-randall | bruhbruh: You could use screen or tmux, and set up a terminal to show that session. |
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| 11:43.27 | zprd | hi on stretch since 1 april apt-cacher-ng stoped resolving cenots repos issuing 403 |
| 11:43.31 | zprd | any clue? |
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| 11:44.36 | bruhbruh | petn-randall: thanks! |
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| 11:46.30 | dym | Hey! When running cron in foreground mode (cron -f) does it auotmatically utilize files in /etc/cron.d/ as configuration base? |
| 11:46.48 | petn-randall | zprd: centos? apt-cacher-ng never could work with rpm repositories. |
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| 11:47.04 | petn-randall | dym: yes |
| 11:48.05 | g0zzy | Just cloned my root drive to one twice as large but am now getting a delay in booting. Any ideas as to what could be the cause and the solution? |
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| 11:48.47 | petn-randall | g0zzy: If you run the boot without "quiet" in grub, you should be able to see detailled logging about the boot. |
| 11:49.04 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Also, where exactly during boot? Before grub, after grub? |
| 11:49.15 | g0zzy | After grub |
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| 11:49.47 | petn-randall | g0zzy: `systemd-analyze critical-chain` should also tell you. |
| 11:49.55 | g0zzy | Ah, shall try |
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| 11:51.46 | g0zzy | run-user-1000.mount @12.098s looks like the worst |
| 11:52.09 | g0zzy | Could be fstab now rong? |
| 11:52.37 | Mead | I'm exploring the Advanced Package Tool (APT) commands, and I see three commands apt, apt-get, and apt-cache with overlapping features. is apt sorta of a more simplified for "novice" users types while apt-get/apt-cache more robust to be usef for "advanced" administrators and scripting that needs more control? |
| 11:53.09 | avu | Mead: apt is just newer and has a slightly nicer UI for interactive use |
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| 11:53.24 | avu | Mead: so unless you're writing a script, use apt |
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| 11:54.13 | Mead | so I'm on the right line of thinking about the differences? |
| 11:54.27 | avu | No, I wouldn't say so |
| 11:54.28 | g0zzy | is thinking perhaps wrong UIDs for new disk |
| 11:54.38 | avu | it'd not about being "advanced" |
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| 11:55.42 | dym | petn-randall: im using cron -f within a docker container running an installed cron package. I have placed my cron file in /etc/cron.d/ and now i cant verify it's running correctly. I've inserted a cronjob like: "* * * * * root echo "hi" >> /tmp/imhere" but the file is not added/modified |
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| 12:02.44 | Mead | when would a user/admin ever need to use features/options avaiable in apt-get/apt-cache that are handled by default in apt? |
| 12:02.46 | petn-randall | dym: If you look at the logs, you'll notice that that command fails. |
| 12:04.19 | avu | Mead: it's not about features, it's about the output, which is not stable and made for interactive terminals with apt |
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| 12:21.07 | dym | petn-randall: i manually executed the command and it did not. |
| 12:21.18 | dym | petn-randall: unfortunately cron -f doesnt seem to provide logs |
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| 12:21.52 | petn-randall | dym: It should still log to syslog, which ends up in /var/log/syslog. |
| 12:22.18 | Iridos | dpkg, timezone |
| 12:22.19 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 12:22.37 | petn-randall | dym: The reason it fails is that $PATH is not set in cron, so "echo" is not found. You need to use absolute paths like "/bin/echo". That's a common pitfall with cron. |
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| 12:26.46 | dym | petn-randall: sorry - i actually did correct that beforehand. |
| 12:27.00 | dym | I failed to mention that |
| 12:27.08 | petn-randall | dym: So it works now? |
| 12:27.11 | dym | negative |
| 12:27.19 | Lope | can openssh-kernel-server have some kind of connection limit? I'm having problems with a new debian where if I'm already connected I can't open new connections, neither SSH nor SSHFS. Any ideas? |
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| 12:28.09 | petn-randall | dym: The other common pitfall is that a newline is missing in the config file, then the last line is not parsed. |
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| 12:30.01 | dym | petn-randall: testing. |
| 12:30.28 | dym | petn-randall: im currently running "* * * * * root /bin/echo "Hello world" >> /var/log/cron.log 2>&1" |
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| 12:36.30 | dym | petn-randall: no, doesnt work. I started cron with cron -f -L 1 using supervisord to pipe the logs back to /dev/stdout / /dev/stderr but there doesnt seem to be any kind out output right now. |
| 12:36.47 | dym | petn-randall: although cron seems to be running, as far as "service cron status" and the processlist is concerned. |
| 12:36.56 | petn-randall | dym: `>>` and `2>&1` are bash redirections. They might not work with /bin/sh. |
| 12:37.25 | greycat | petn-randall: incorrect. Those are standard Bourne shell features. |
| 12:37.51 | greycat | The bashism would have been &>/dev/null |
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| 12:38.46 | dym | im gonna detach from the problem and re-engage later. maybe off-time will help :) thanks so far. |
| 12:38.58 | jelly | wtf is supervisord |
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| 12:39.09 | dym | jelly: a process manager |
| 12:39.17 | greycat | I came in in the middle of this, so I don't know what he's doing. Experimenting with alternative init systems? |
| 12:39.23 | themill | dym: what file is that cron line in? |
| 12:39.24 | jelly | dym: which package does it come in/ |
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| 12:39.40 | dym | I need to combine 2 services into one docker container. there is httpd and i need a local cronjob to locally execute php files. |
| 12:39.47 | greycat | Ahhhh, docker. I'm out. |
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| 12:39.51 | dym | jelly: you're gonna hurt me :D |
| 12:40.02 | themill | ,i supervisor |
| 12:40.03 | judd | Package supervisor (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: System for controlling process state. Version: 3.3.1-1+deb9u1; Size: 273.2k; Installed: 1418k; Homepage: http://supervisord.org/ |
| 12:40.58 | greycat | Someone in this channel once told us that Docker is designed to run *one* thing, period. Not multiple things. Not an init system that spawns a fleet of services as if this were an actual operating system. |
| 12:40.58 | dym | jelly: supervisord |
| 12:41.20 | dym | greycat: a fleet of service when i need to periodically execute a local php file? |
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| 12:41.33 | dym | greycat: the statement is exactly right. |
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| 12:41.59 | dym | themill: /etc/cron.d/php |
| 12:42.00 | jelly | greycat: my installations also run *one* thing, the thing is called Debian! |
| 12:42.03 | jelly | hides |
| 12:42.06 | dym | :) |
| 12:42.07 | petn-randall | Isn't the point of docker to run one process in the foreground? Wouldn't running several services violate that principle? |
| 12:42.29 | petn-randall | Oh, greycat already said it. :) |
| 12:42.34 | themill | running cron inside docker is a new one on me |
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| 12:42.35 | dym | petn-randall: in principle, yeah. But i need to locally access a php file, which i cant across multiple docker containers. |
| 12:42.48 | petn-randall | Seems like docker isn't the right tool then ... |
| 12:43.14 | dym | petn-randall: it's a legacy system for a customer. nothing is the right tool here. just trying to make things work as requested. |
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| 12:44.41 | jelly | step 1) run a proper init system in a container step 2) ??? step 3) profit ? |
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| 12:45.54 | greycat | If docker could do all of the stuff that OpenVZ/LXC/LXD/VMware/etc. could do, then we wouldn't have those things. I think. |
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| 13:05.12 | qman__ | correct - docker is supposed to run one foreground process, that's the whole point |
| 13:05.19 | qman__ | if you need an init system, docker is the wrong tool |
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| 13:06.14 | mutante | podman can replace docker without running as root, i heard |
| 13:06.23 | qman__ | but you probably don't need an init system |
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| 13:08.13 | qman__ | most of the time if you need more than one process, you just create separate containers that interact; sometimes that's not good enough and they need to be on the same one, but you can still do it if you have a script that launches them and captures the output to foreground |
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| 13:09.41 | qman__ | but you should never have start/stop/restart function within the container, that's supposed to be managed by docker itself |
| 13:10.08 | qman__ | when the application has a failure, it should end the process and exit the container |
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| 13:59.50 | pclover | So need an opinion here.. Any ideas how to enable numlock at boot for the login screen? |
| 14:00.03 | pclover | not after user login but at the login screen. Using GNOME |
| 14:00.59 | greycat | first google result for me for "enable numlock in gdm3" is https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202268/turn-on-numlock-at-login-screen-gdm |
| 14:01.31 | greycat | second is a reddit thread that links to the stackexchange URL just given |
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| 14:05.34 | pclover | yeah i've tired things for the past half hour none of them work |
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| 14:17.20 | jelly | the stupid workaround might be replacing gdm with eg. sddm |
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| 14:25.01 | Tenkawa | I'm going to test it out myself because personally i really get annoyed with lightdm |
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| 14:26.16 | Lope | What sources should I use for wheezy? |
| 14:26.38 | Lope | I've got an old wheezy box that I'm going to retire soon, but until then, need to have apt working. |
| 14:27.18 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy#FAQ |
| 14:27.39 | Tenkawa | brb... lets see how this looks |
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| 14:29.23 | kruug | Debian Buster. Why won't php7.3-fpm and nginx daemons start at boot? I have enabled them both using `systemctl`. |
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| 14:29.43 | petn-randall | kruug: Look at the logs when they're attempted to be started. |
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| 14:29.53 | Tenkawa | wow thats nice |
| 14:30.15 | kruug | petn-randall: which logs? their respective logs? or is there a boot/service log that consolidates those? |
| 14:30.29 | Lope | greycat, thanks mate |
| 14:30.30 | greycat | Start with "systemctl status nginx" (as root gives more info) and "journalctl -u nginx" |
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| 14:33.39 | Tenkawa | who mentioned the differen login manager? |
| 14:33.50 | Tenkawa | (my memory is shot) |
| 14:34.30 | greycat | 10:17 jelly> the stupid workaround might be replacing gdm with eg. sddm |
| 14:34.54 | Tenkawa | jelly: thank you... that is actually pretty nice for my box |
| 14:35.04 | Tenkawa | greycat: thanbks for looking that up |
| 14:35.11 | Tenkawa | er thanks |
| 14:35.34 | kruug | Odd. This time around, the services started right up. |
| 14:35.50 | Tenkawa | this new machine has been so fun |
| 14:35.55 | kruug | But SSH didn't start until I logged in locally. Wonder if it's tied to the user account instead of system? |
| 14:36.25 | Tenkawa | its so nice to have a machine built to the proper specs |
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| 14:37.46 | greycat | kruug: that's definitely not how it's supposed to be |
| 14:38.15 | greycat | However, a delayed ssh startup *could* be caused by lack of entropy, especially if you're using a kernel from a couple years ago in testing |
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| 14:38.28 | kruug | I know it's not supposed to be like that. That's what's confusing me... But, `sudo systemctl status nginx` returns no errors. |
| 14:38.47 | greycat | Is nginx starting and exiting, or never starting at all? |
| 14:38.49 | Tenkawa | kruug: have you analyzed any of the logs in /var/log |
| 14:38.51 | ayekat | if it's started only when you log in for the first time, that sounds like socket activation |
| 14:39.12 | ayekat | but I'd assume you would know what the setup of the service is |
| 14:39.16 | kruug | kernel version: 4.19.0-4-amd64 |
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| 14:39.49 | kruug | stupid `permission denied` error when checking /var/log |
| 14:40.25 | Tenkawa | need to use sudo perms or sudo |
| 14:40.32 | greycat | at some point you just get a shell as root so you can read the damned information you need to read |
| 14:40.39 | at0m | kruug: either become root, or add yourself to adm group (logs here are from group adm) |
| 14:41.25 | Tenkawa | because those logs might tell you a lot |
| 14:41.40 | kruug | The only one in `daemon.log` that's erroring is rng-tools |
| 14:42.15 | Tenkawa | or nothing.. but they are great debug tools.. messages... syslog... |
| 14:42.16 | kruug | but I see that ssh, php-fpm, and nginx all started |
| 14:42.32 | kruug | before my user session did |
| 14:42.52 | at0m | aos, with systemd, journalctl show much of the logs. |
| 14:42.56 | petn-randall | kruug: can you share the output of 'systemctl status nginx' and 'journalctl -u nginx'? |
| 14:43.00 | at0m | aos? also. |
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| 14:44.11 | kruug | systemctl status nginx: https://paste.debian.net/1075626/ |
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| 14:44.30 | Tenkawa | well rng-tools does handle your entropy pool if you have a hardware random number generator to kernel bridge |
| 14:44.49 | Tenkawa | and didnt one of you mention it could be getting overloaded |
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| 14:44.59 | kruug | journalctl -u nginx: https://paste.debian.net/1075627/ |
| 14:45.16 | greycat | Looks like it took 29 seconds to start for some reason. |
| 14:45.25 | kruug | I could probably uninstall rng-tools. I only had it to try and create entropy while creating a dhparam file |
| 14:45.27 | Tenkawa | yikes |
| 14:45.45 | greycat | So, this matches up with your delayed ssh startup, but we don't know the root cause yet. |
| 14:45.45 | Tenkawa | that could very easily be entropy |
| 14:45.52 | greycat | *nod* |
| 14:46.06 | Tenkawa | if he's having a rng problem |
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| 14:47.54 | at0m | haveged makes for faster entropy supply, especially on boot |
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| 14:48.35 | greycat | And the reason a local console login helps things along is that typing on the keyboard generates entropy. |
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| 14:50.10 | Tenkawa | anything in dmesg sticking out like repetitive lines of errors? |
| 14:50.15 | at0m | greycat: that's not a convincing argument for me to hook up a keyboard to me. i'd rather wait some then :D |
| 14:50.48 | at0m | argh my grammar today. glad i'm not coding. |
| 14:51.01 | kruug | Tenkawa: checking dmesg now |
| 14:51.13 | Tenkawa | kruug: what kind of hardware is this btw? |
| 14:51.19 | Tenkawa | amd/intel? |
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| 14:51.38 | kruug | Intel CPU, metal OS is proxmox. |
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| 14:51.41 | Tenkawa | just noticed each has seperate rng toola |
| 14:51.50 | greycat | so you're not even in the right channel |
| 14:52.11 | kruug | Well, it's a Debian VM, so... |
| 14:52.37 | Tenkawa | you should have intel-rng-tools not rng-tools |
| 14:52.55 | Tenkawa | i thought something didnt look right |
| 14:53.18 | greycat | And all those RNG-mucking-with packages have to be installed in the REAL os, not the virtual machine. |
| 14:53.34 | greycat | If you installed rng-tools in a VM, well, no wonder it didn't work. |
| 14:53.49 | Tenkawa | greycat: right but the names stuck out in my head though nnd just got me thinking |
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| 14:54.16 | Tenkawa | it still got insalled as you see in his instance |
| 14:54.54 | Tenkawa | er installed.. wow I cant type today.. think its time for lunch |
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| 14:55.12 | jelly | on physical hardware x86 platform, "haveged" is probably good enough to provide more entropy if it's low |
| 14:55.16 | Tenkawa | it might actually hit 70 this week yay!!! |
| 14:55.44 | Tenkawa | but it suppose to rrain buckets again..... |
| 14:57.25 | Tenkawa | bbl... definitely need food |
| 14:57.26 | kruug | So, would it be `usermod -a -G admin kruug`? |
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| 16:01.29 | masterkorp1 | hello |
| 16:01.31 | masterkorp1 | pub rsa4096 2017-02-22 [SCEA] |
| 16:01.33 | masterkorp1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.35 | masterkorp1 | uid [ unknown] Docker Release (CE deb) <docker@docker.com> |
| 16:01.37 | masterkorp1 | sub rsa4096 2017-02-22 [S] |
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| 16:09.19 | masterkorp | hello |
| 16:10.01 | petn-randall | hi masterkorp, check the /topic for basic things like where to paste data. |
| 16:10.09 | petn-randall | !paste |
| 16:10.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:10.16 | petn-randall | specifically ^^^ |
| 16:10.37 | petn-randall | And also: |
| 16:10.38 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 16:10.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:10.57 | masterkorp | https://0bin.net/paste/QeqYR5pjFdDs0lE8#iTRqiWThERQBPVaBkDaNNTFiEbVkPF64YGb8VN7O3-K |
| 16:11.10 | masterkorp | How I remove tne [ unknown ] from this key? |
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| 16:13.17 | petn-randall | masterkorp: Why do you want to remove it? |
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| 16:16.18 | masterkorp | I don't want to remove it, i want to be able to use it |
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| 16:21.08 | petn-randall | masterkorp: You can use it, irrelevant of what says between those brackets. |
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| 16:21.15 | petn-randall | + it |
| 16:21.32 | masterkorp | Ok, so let me try and explain the real problem |
| 16:21.38 | masterkorp | I cannot install docker on debian |
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| 16:22.40 | petn-randall | masterkorp: docker.io? |
| 16:23.01 | masterkorp | docker-ce |
| 16:23.08 | masterkorp | Or even docker.io |
| 16:23.13 | masterkorp | any of them really |
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| 16:23.36 | petn-randall | masterkorp: I'm sure you'll be able to install "docker", though that's probably not what you're looking for :P |
| 16:24.21 | masterkorp | that packge only as like 50kilobytes |
| 16:24.27 | masterkorp | it does not even have the binary |
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| 16:25.44 | petn-randall | Well, it install a "System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications", just as the description says. |
| 16:26.10 | petn-randall | masterkorp: Have you followed the installation instructions from the docker installation page? |
| 16:26.12 | masterkorp | yeah, that is not what I am lokking for |
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| 16:39.12 | dym | jelly: there really is no point in deploying a proper init system within a container, because as everyone else already pointed out, it's not aimed at that. But I am at a point where there is no "cleaner" way in fixing a situation than like this. |
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| 16:41.05 | dym | jelly: but thanks for all your input. |
| 16:41.57 | jelly | dym: oh btw, if you want to see cron logs, you will have to give crond access to /dev/log socket, because it uses syslog |
| 16:42.47 | jelly | making a socket inside the container point to a working syslog outside of it is, I suppose, an exercise for the reader |
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| 16:43.21 | jelly | has had enough of that with Debian's chrooted postfix setup |
| 16:43.27 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 16:44.02 | dym | jelly: cheers! i found a few pointers where people redirected output using |
| 16:44.03 | dym | stdout_logfile = /dev/stdout |
| 16:44.08 | dym | stderr_logfile = /dev/stderr |
| 16:44.21 | jelly | something like docker might have a ready-made option for that. |
| 16:45.34 | dym | jelly: i guess why everything within the container runs in foreground :) |
| 16:45.38 | dym | thats* |
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| 16:46.57 | jelly | the way you describe it make me think docker is just a blown up daemontools. |
| 16:47.51 | jelly | (which kind of makes me want to check it out) |
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| 16:49.23 | dym | i guess you're mixing up docker and supervisord here |
| 16:49.31 | dym | supervisord is somewhat like daemonotools |
| 16:49.37 | dym | and monit, if you will |
| 16:52.30 | jelly | I was thinking of "run a single thing in an enviroment and if it dies restart it" |
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| 17:00.33 | ikarosuu1i | is there something new in debian that causes krita and spyder to display FPS? |
| 17:01.08 | ikarosuu1i | it shows like "BLIT VSYNC OFF" too |
| 17:01.24 | ikarosuu1i | right on top of my edit buttons too, which is kind of weird |
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| 17:04.59 | jelly | in their windows or on the whole desktop? that sounds like some compositor/window-manager debugging thing |
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| 17:13.32 | EdePopede | i thought it was enough to put 'user' into the entry for a ntfs formatted usb-hd, but user still can't mount it. |
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| 17:15.54 | EdePopede | all devices are 660 and ntfs-3h is suid root. so... what?! |
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| 17:19.01 | EdePopede | membership in group disk still required? |
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| 17:21.54 | _Vi | How do I make debian's ifupdown not specify `-i` to dhclient (not send DUID to DHCP server)? `-i` seems to be hardcoded in inet.defn. |
| 17:22.00 | blasen | hello. do i have to edit some file to make iptables persistent? |
| 17:23.10 | blasen | i read i can use iptables-restore and iptables-save .. but what is the file? |
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| 17:24.12 | n_1-c_k | blasen: whatever file you redirect to. But that's too hardcore for me, I'd use a firewall manager such as firehol. |
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| 17:25.28 | blasen | well anybody else? i guess there is a file where that is configured. thanks in advance. |
| 17:25.55 | blasen | i don't like managers. |
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| 17:29.09 | _Vi | How do I search for Debian bugs? On udd.debian.org I see a form with a lot of search-related fields, but no text field to just search in bug summaries. |
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| 17:30.23 | blasen | or for starters: what is the default software used on debian jessie (as distributed) (for firewall?) |
| 17:30.48 | avalchev | blasen: try ufw |
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| 17:31.19 | blasen | you mean there is no default firewall installed on delivery? |
| 17:31.47 | avalchev | Honestly, I don't know :) There is always iptables |
| 17:31.47 | Sleaker | blasen there's not a lot of things installed by default. |
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| 17:32.14 | Sleaker | nftables is suggested I believe instead of iptables though |
| 17:32.18 | blasen | avalchev: yeah i wanted to use dat! |
| 17:32.31 | avalchev | ohhh nftables.. |
| 17:32.39 | blasen | avalchev: where can i configure it was my inital queston |
| 17:32.52 | blasen | avalchev, i stil would love to know |
| 17:32.58 | avalchev | https://wiki.debian.org/Uncomplicated%20Firewall%20%28ufw%29 |
| 17:33.24 | Sleaker | ufw is just a frontend for configuring iptables rules. |
| 17:33.27 | _abc_ | I'm tinkering with the wheezy live iso linuxcnc.org image, burned on a usb stick. It boots, but the persistence options I give on the command line are ignored. Is it possible that someone created a live iso from wheezy and somehow removed persistence capability? /bin/live-persistence exists |
| 17:33.53 | Sleaker | if you plan on migrating to buster, you will want to use nftables. |
| 17:33.56 | blasen | so you wont give me the fucking path to som /etc/network/blah file .. at all cost |
| 17:34.10 | blasen | no matter how hard i beg u |
| 17:34.15 | Sleaker | blasen: huh? |
| 17:34.25 | avalchev | blasen: I gave you URL |
| 17:34.26 | bolt_ | blasen: there's no "firewall" by default. there's nothing listening either. install what you want. |
| 17:34.30 | jmcnaught | blasen: perhaps you want to check out the package netfilter-persistent |
| 17:34.38 | avalchev | Slacker gave best adivce for nftables |
| 17:34.48 | blasen | avalchuv: to the network manager |
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| 17:35.28 | avalchev | blasen: no, the URL was to ufw page in debian iwiki |
| 17:35.42 | avalchev | everyhting is described there |
| 17:35.44 | blasen | bolt_: netstat -tulpn says different .. is my system compromised |
| 17:35.53 | Sleaker | lol |
| 17:36.15 | blasen | thanks. |
| 17:36.19 | Sleaker | how are we supposed to know if you've given someone else access to the system or if that's happened? |
| 17:37.13 | blasen | people talking in terms of we |
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| 17:37.44 | Sleaker | sure, you're addressing a channel and multiple people have responded to you, hence. we. |
| 17:37.53 | avalchev | blasen, please do not get angry :) |
| 17:38.02 | blasen | ok :) |
| 17:38.04 | blasen | <3 |
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| 17:38.49 | blasen | and thank you for help. |
| 17:38.59 | avalchev | blasen: try to use ufw, then you must read about nftables |
| 17:39.09 | blasen | ok,i will |
| 17:39.18 | avalchev | as Slaker said, ufw us just a frontend |
| 17:39.43 | blasen | and i asked for what |
| 17:39.51 | blasen | and where i can edit that. |
| 17:40.02 | Sleaker | blasen: you should read the documentation that was linked. |
| 17:40.11 | Sleaker | it tells you how to do that. |
| 17:40.40 | blasen | yes. there is so much for me to read ': .. few. its hard to start |
| 17:40.55 | Sleaker | well if you don't read it you wont know so :shrug: |
| 17:41.00 | blasen | im a linux newbie. but i will check that. |
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| 17:42.20 | avalchev | yes, it's hard :) I remember, but the best approach is to read documentation. It's easy for us to tell you "apt install ufw && ufw allow 22/tcp" |
| 17:42.28 | blasen | yes. i tried. but then often the tools describe themselves, but seem to require knowledge of other things.. and that of other things .. and of course that is a nice adventure exploriong all. in a life |
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| 17:42.44 | EdePopede | blasen: then try not (only) to look for software to do sth, but (also) for concepts how things are implemented. like understanding how firewalling is done in debian/gnu/linux |
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| 17:42.49 | Sleaker | blasen: that comes with getting familiar with linux. |
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| 17:43.23 | Sleaker | I didn't start playing around with firewalls until I had a solid grasp of managing most other portions of linux. |
| 17:43.24 | EdePopede | a book (printed or on the pc) may be a good start |
| 17:43.37 | blasen | just i need a quick block all incoming request guide. to start. for a normal enduser wanting to browse the internet without deleting it accidently |
| 17:43.48 | blasen | right |
| 17:44.17 | Sleaker | blasen: you probably don't in all honesty. |
| 17:44.24 | blasen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.25 | EdePopede | no worries, blasen. you won't delete the internet by accident ;) |
| 17:44.49 | Sleaker | blasen: by default there are no rules, as soon as you install it, it's going to be in an accept all state |
| 17:45.07 | Sleaker | blasen: if you try to do something like a drop all rule, it's like unplugging your connection. |
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| 17:45.17 | avalchev | After you install ufw, follow "Configuration" section here |
| 17:45.20 | avalchev | https://wiki.debian.org/Uncomplicated%20Firewall%20%28ufw%29 |
| 17:45.30 | blasen | oki:) |
| 17:45.37 | avalchev | There are 3 commands |
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| 18:37.30 | petn-randall | lmc: Do you need help? |
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| 18:39.30 | indomitable | what are you up to |
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| 19:16.53 | hamp | hey guys |
| 19:17.00 | hamp | how can i install mongodb on debian? |
| 19:17.20 | jhutchins_wk | !mongodb |
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| 19:18.02 | indomitable | hamp, sudo apt-get install mongodb |
| 19:18.03 | indomitable | lol |
| 19:18.21 | jhutchins_wk | hamp: https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-debian/ |
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| 19:22.05 | petn-randall | !lol |
| 19:22.05 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 19:33.16 | tdn | How do I create a python3 virtualenv? |
| 19:33.29 | tdn | I have installed python3-virtualenv |
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| 19:35.06 | tvm | python3 -m venv myvenv |
| 19:36.01 | tdn | tvm, tanks |
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| 19:55.19 | ikarosuu1i | jelly, the FPS counter is in the window, on top of "new document, save, open file" etc buttons |
| 19:55.50 | ikarosuu1i | Or maybe that's just coincidence, because in both programs it's top left corner below the title bar. |
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| 20:06.05 | ikarosuu1i | feels like i have some kind of screen recording software installed |
| 20:06.27 | indomitable | ikarosuu1i, if you have an intel or amd processor that's probably true |
| 20:06.41 | ikarosuu1i | are there others |
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| 20:07.38 | greycat | various ARM chips are extremely widespread, just not in desktop or laptop PCs |
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| 20:08.09 | indomitable | greycat, but arm chips are installed on stolen hardware |
| 20:08.13 | indomitable | always |
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| 20:09.53 | greycat | the last two things he said are so ridiculous that he has to be trolling |
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| 20:26.50 | DammitJim | how do I troubleshoot writing to a cifs samba mount? |
| 20:26.58 | DammitJim | this server was doing just fine until yesterday |
| 20:27.08 | DammitJim | now I get a Permission denied when trying to write a file to a mounted directory |
| 20:27.18 | DammitJim | I can confirm I can write to a different mount to a windows server |
| 20:27.42 | Tenkawa | do you have access to that server? |
| 20:27.48 | DammitJim | yes |
| 20:27.52 | Tenkawa | (the win/cifs) |
| 20:28.09 | DammitJim | the debian samba server? yes |
| 20:28.14 | Tenkawa | check its perms.. they couldve gotten propogated from an acl |
| 20:28.32 | DammitJim | we don't do that, but yeah< i checked the permissions |
| 20:28.38 | Tenkawa | I've seen that happen in a copy |
| 20:28.56 | DammitJim | the mount was done using the user credentials for who owns the directories |
| 20:29.21 | Tenkawa | that can be overriden though |
| 20:29.30 | Tenkawa | and it woul look hidden to smb |
| 20:29.32 | DammitJim | ok, what command do I run? |
| 20:30.06 | Tenkawa | go to a test directory and tell it to inherit the permissions from parenr |
| 20:30.17 | Tenkawa | then see if you can write to it |
| 20:30.26 | Tenkawa | er parent |
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| 20:30.56 | DammitJim | like chown -R? |
| 20:31.19 | Tenkawa | yeah.. it strips off any inherited ones and forces them down |
| 20:31.38 | Tenkawa | but does something funky in the middke |
| 20:31.43 | Tenkawa | er middle |
| 20:31.48 | Tenkawa | with the acls |
| 20:32.37 | DammitJim | oh, how weird!I created a directory |
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| 20:32.51 | DammitJim | then tried to create a file in the new directory and it doesn't let me |
| 20:33.35 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 20:33.55 | Tenkawa | it wont until you tell it to disconnect the permissions |
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| 20:34.14 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 20:34.19 | jhutchins_wk | Ownership/Permissions are usually configured in the Samba config files. That's why I use it. |
| 20:34.20 | Tenkawa | I dont have my box booted for me to get the right boxes to check |
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| 20:34.36 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: The first thing I'd do is try re-mounting it. |
| 20:34.56 | DammitJim | I did, jhutchins_wk |
| 20:35.10 | DammitJim | Tenkawa, do I do this on the samba server or on the client server? (set the permissions) |
| 20:35.23 | Tenkawa | host server |
| 20:35.32 | Tenkawa | the owner |
| 20:35.35 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You could also turn up logging on the server (remember to turn it down when you're done). At the higher levels it gives a lot of good info for troubleshooting, but it does have a performance cost. |
| 20:35.52 | Tenkawa | whoever the uuid owner is |
| 20:36.03 | jhutchins_wk | It's been a long time since I set up a samba server, and things have changed. |
| 20:36.16 | Tenkawa | now I remember... its called replacing child object ownership |
| 20:36.23 | Tenkawa | yeah same here |
| 20:36.29 | Klaus_Dieter | so if I am developing a program and already am providing debian packages for amd64 - what would be the best way to also include other arches? I used debuild. |
| 20:36.36 | DammitJim | Tenkawa, I just re-set the permissions and still not letting me write |
| 20:36.42 | DammitJim | where do I increase logging? |
| 20:36.44 | DammitJim | client or server? |
| 20:37.08 | Tenkawa | defers to jhutchins_wk on that one... |
| 20:37.27 | Tenkawa | hasnt used the logging mechanism in ages |
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| 20:38.11 | Tenkawa | DammitJim: let me reboot and I'll take a look from inside Win |
| 20:38.12 | Tenkawa | brb |
| 20:38.13 | Klaus_Dieter | DammitJim: for samba, the control in the config can only tighten security. so first thing is to check whether the specified user is able to write in the fs. then check whether the samba config allows it. |
| 20:38.43 | Klaus_Dieter | DammitJim: also check for extended attributes in the fs if it supports those |
| 20:39.00 | DammitJim | how do I do that if I'm not allowed to become that user |
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| 20:39.20 | DammitJim | "Cannot execute /sbin/nologin: No such file or directory |
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| 20:40.23 | greycat | DammitJim: try sudo -u THATUSER -s instead of -i |
| 20:40.38 | DammitJim | thanks greycat that's new for me |
| 20:41.10 | DammitJim | what's the -s instead of -i ? |
| 20:41.39 | greycat | if only there were some kind of manual |
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| 20:41.54 | DammitJim | lol... I'm trying to read the man page, but I'm confused because |
| 20:41.55 | Tenkawa | ok baxk |
| 20:41.58 | Tenkawa | er back |
| 20:42.02 | DammitJim | the shell specified is /sbin/nologin |
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| 20:42.40 | Tenkawa | now I'm in Win |
| 20:43.00 | Tenkawa | any luck |
| 20:43.47 | DammitJim | thanks greycat ... I just tried it w/o fully understanding the man page and -s worked |
| 20:43.57 | DammitJim | I am able to create the files as the local user used for the share |
| 20:44.16 | greycat | try reading it more slowly? "specified by the SHELL environment variable" |
| 20:44.22 | Tenkawa | oh what was the fix? |
| 20:44.35 | greycat | apparently "Be the correct user" |
| 20:44.41 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 20:44.45 | DammitJim | cool |
| 20:44.48 | Tenkawa | that helps |
| 20:44.54 | DammitJim | so, it's definitely on the client side? |
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| 20:47.08 | Tenkawa | well time for me to get ready to go.. cheers all |
| 20:48.26 | DammitJim | it seems the user is borked |
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| 20:51.27 | Emil | mvaddnwstr is usabe and in ncurses yet the development libraries don't know about it (even though it is in the binary distribution |
| 20:51.42 | Emil | Who should I mention this to? |
| 20:51.43 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: /sbin/nologin implies the user has been intentionally locked out. |
| 20:52.03 | DammitJim | right jhutchins_wk I just didn't know how to create a file as that user w/o sudo su - <user> |
| 20:52.12 | greycat | Emil: file a bug report on the -dev package, if I understand you correctly |
| 20:52.46 | DammitJim | oddly enough, I just unmounted, re-mounted multiple times, then restarted samba and things seem to be working |
| 20:52.49 | DammitJim | What????? |
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| 20:53.01 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You can specify a shell on the su command line (iirc). su - samba /bin/bash |
| 20:53.02 | Emil | greycat: Debian bugreporting is absolutely stupid |
| 20:53.24 | jhutchins_wk | Emil: No, but you might not understand how it works. |
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| 20:53.37 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: sudo -u username -i or sudo -u username -s |
| 20:53.45 | Emil | I assume the next step is then politely mentioning it in a mailing list |
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| 20:54.04 | greycat | Emil: what, and hoping someone else reports it for you? |
| 20:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | Emil: Perhaps the most tactful way would be to ask "is this actually happening? If so, why?". |
| 20:54.14 | greycat | I suppose some people think that way. |
| 20:54.42 | hoodie | morning lads |
| 20:54.58 | Emil | greycat: I've tried using the bug reporting tool. It was pain |
| 20:55.02 | Emil | jhutchins_wk: heh, true |
| 20:55.46 | Emil | Okay, let's try that again: can anyone confirm that libncurses* libraries result in mvaddnwstr as implicitly declared but the resulting program still works? |
| 20:56.13 | Emil | specifically should be libncursesw?5* |
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| 21:09.05 | karlpinc | Emil: If you _really_ don't like to use reportbug, use the --template option and send the result using the email client of your choice. |
| 21:09.49 | greycat | You could even craft the bug report email by hand from the ground up. It's not a complex format. |
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| 21:11.21 | Klaus_Dieter | I guess nowadays many people will expect a frontend served by https to report a bug :/ |
| 21:11.47 | Klaus_Dieter | even though it does the very same thing in a less efficient manner they will still think it is better. |
| 21:12.08 | greycat | There is value in requiring the basic competence of "I can send email" in order to file bug reports, as a filter against noise. |
| 21:13.09 | Klaus_Dieter | lol. I did not look at it that way yet. Indeed. |
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| 21:15.48 | Klaus_Dieter | so what is the recommended way to build packages for armv6 nowadays? Do I still have to maintain a chroot with the whole OS and use qemu? |
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| 21:24.21 | untakenstupidnic | I have a .deb package and I want the package manager to run two chmods after copying the files into their places |
| 21:24.37 | untakenstupidnic | where in the archive should I add the commands? |
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| 21:28.35 | untakenstupidnic | like under control.tar.xz / foo.sh |
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| 21:40.09 | abrotman | untakenstupidnic: in the postinst you mean? |
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| 21:44.17 | untakenstupidnic | yes exactly, is that right under control.tar.xz? |
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| 21:51.01 | untakenstupidnic | or under the deb(ar) package itself or under a directpry under control.tar.xz or... |
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| 21:58.07 | EdePopede | untakenstupidnic: control.tar.[gx]z. should you want a blueprint you could download a .deb und 'ar x' it |
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| 22:04.46 | moi | bonjour quelqu'un parle francais ? |
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| 22:36.07 | vvor | Setting a VM host desktop, with two HDD. Disregarding HDD failure & assuming the HDD are *On separate controllers*, is it better to have one disk with / (root OS partition) & sec. disk with /VMs (home partition), or just Raid0 the two HDDs? |
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| 22:39.10 | epony | separatee |
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| 22:40.13 | epony | ideally a hw disk per vm |
| 22:40.26 | ikarosuu1i | why is my /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/history.log empty? |
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| 22:43.36 | jmcnaught | ikarosuu1i: the log was probably rotated, is there anything in dpkg.log.1? |
| 22:44.31 | ikarosuu1i | yia boii that was it |
| 22:45.21 | ikarosuu1i | that solved everything, even found the information i was looking for |
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| 22:46.05 | vvor | epony: Thanks, any references/elaborate logic... |
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| 22:48.20 | epony | That's the hard part.. kernel developers maybe better suited for this. Try both and measure if you don't trust the logic. |
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| 22:49.32 | epony | It's always better to use independent drives for concurrent operation, the softraid will not give you much gain when you try to write to both system and vm areas concurrently. |
| 22:50.32 | epony | Given the kernel drivers are not competing for allocation in the scheduler.. |
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| 23:07.14 | vvor | epony: Thanks. |
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| 23:15.56 | epony | hth |
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