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| 00:19.42 | roylaprattep | Well, I am gonna try the dist-upgrade jessie to stretch soon. |
| 00:19.51 | roylaprattep | And hope for the best. |
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| 01:23.04 | karlpinc | Hoping for the best is not a good plan. Better to follow the instructions in the release notes. |
| 01:24.40 | __m4ch1n3__ | hope the best expect the worst :3 |
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| 01:38.48 | o770 | Hello, folks! My initramfs image generation showed possible missing firmware for module TG3. That's my NIC which actually worked, but I wanted to try and installed package firmware-linux-misc-nonfree. Everything was still working except for the GNOME system status showing "wired unmanaged", which I know how to fix. Now my problem is that status won't change on a fresh system reinstallation! Has anything been permanently changed at the hw level by the fw |
| 01:38.48 | o770 | package installation? |
| 01:40.06 | o770 | Stretch install. |
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| 01:40.53 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 01:41.38 | johnfg | I've got a volume group that had been used for booting another system, that I want to use for my debian stretch. |
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| 01:42.10 | johnfg | For all I've done with vgs and lvs, I've not actually reformatted them. |
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| 01:48.56 | lindylex | When I login I am log back out immediately. This is the tail end of /var/log/auth.log https://pastebin.com/XcFetmfR |
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| 02:01.19 | lindylex | This is my output from /var/log/syslog https://pastebin.com/psKfXWCE |
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| 02:14.32 | tomreyn | lindylex: this bug report suggests you're missing the accountsservice package - but also that it should not cause logins to fail - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=837979 |
| 02:14.33 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/837979 in lightdm (closed): «lightdm: Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-16; last modified: 2016-10-16. |
| 02:14.42 | lindylex | Fixed I had to clear out my hard drive it was to full. |
| 02:15.11 | tomreyn | whoops ;) |
| 02:15.43 | lindylex | This happened to me 9 years ago once. I forgot the solution. |
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| 02:42.57 | justaddcoffee | hi all ive used ubuntu for a long time now and feel like a distro hop will i find hopping to debian mostly pain free am assuming yes-what should i expect re learning curve |
| 02:42.59 | karlpinc | o770: Firmware is software installed into hardware. Depending on the hardware firmware may or may not be place in non-volitle storage. This means it may or may not persist after power loss. You could try unplugging the electricity source. |
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| 02:44.19 | t3st3r | justaddcoffee> depends on what you want and need. Debian is similar to Ubuntu in many regards. Yet got some differences and different goals and priorities. |
| 02:44.20 | karlpinc | justaddcoffee: Debian won't hold your hand and suggest things. You need to know how to search the man and info pages. This means reading their instructions, or finding the docs at debian.org and using your browser. |
| 02:45.26 | t3st3r | Debian generally less of "guided" experience and more freedom and control over system things it does, etc. |
| 02:46.04 | karlpinc | justaddcoffee: You should also know there are no ppas. The principals of how to keep your debian system working and running what you want on it are found at: |
| 02:46.09 | Deihmos | debian release cycle is really long. the latest stable has software from 2016 |
| 02:46.11 | karlpinc | !don't break debian |
| 02:46.12 | dpkg | dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 02:47.09 | karlpinc | Debian is more stable than Ubuntu, in my experience. Does not change as often, does not break as often. |
| 02:47.23 | Deihmos | does not update that often |
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| 02:48.25 | karlpinc | So read the wiki page above before installing anything that's not in the offical debian repos. |
| 02:50.09 | justaddcoffee | thanks all am gonna have a good read of dont break debian, wow that is a long release cycle, thanks for letting me know re less guided am wanting to take a more hands on approach, hoping this will be a good direction to head to continue my learning journey |
| 02:50.17 | karlpinc | I like how debian upgrades from one release to the next. No having to re-install. (So long as you follow the instructions in the release notes.) I don't know how this compares with Ubuntu. |
| 02:50.43 | themill | it's only "long" if you need new shiny all the time. If you want to just set things up and leave them to work, it's too fast. |
| 02:50.56 | justaddcoffee | i dont i like shit that works |
| 02:51.09 | justaddcoffee | and works well |
| 02:51.29 | t3st3r | Deihmos> I guess debian releases can be compared to ubuntu-LTS. Though if one needs more recent software there're ways (Backports, and testing). |
| 02:51.46 | Deihmos | i don't find backports to have much |
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| 02:51.58 | Deihmos | ubuntu lts is released every 2 years |
| 02:51.59 | karlpinc | In my limited experience Ubuntu users re-install rather than upgrade. But that may be because of leftover experiences with other OSs. |
| 02:52.25 | t3st3r | Deihmos> actually ubuntu is so persistent on firm timings it eventually ends up with crappy release. |
| 02:52.35 | karlpinc | Deihmos: I prefer to backport myself, usually. |
| 02:53.22 | t3st3r | TBH I think it rather bad idea to have absolutely fixed release date you can't move at all - it eventually leads to releasing bugged or poorly tested stuff. |
| 02:53.49 | karlpinc | The trouble, so I hear, is that Ubuntu tracks testing. Sometimes testing is working well, sometimes not. So just what goes into an Ubuntu release may be more or less buggy. Don't know if this is true. (And am now wondering if it is ontopic.) |
| 02:54.31 | t3st3r | as particular noteworthy funny thing, ubuntu ubgrader worked for me at most with 50% probability. Or even less than that. |
| 02:55.03 | t3st3r | ubgrader <- upgrader. Damn it so bugged I can't even type it correctly. |
| 02:55.14 | karlpinc | t3st3r: Fixed release dates do not inevitably lead to low quality, it all depends on how releases are managed. |
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| 02:56.07 | karlpinc | I don't know the failure rate of Debian upgrades. We tend to hear of them here. What usually seems to be the problem is that the upgrade instructions were not followed. |
| 02:56.22 | t3st3r | karlpinc> Sometimes it leads to team just cornered: too much bugs/untested, but have to release anyway. Yes, on other hand it could be like this: "try to hunt down all bugs -> release never happens" |
| 02:57.12 | t3st3r | debian does not offers bugged python junk code to nag about upgrades and automate it - so it doesn't fails this way either. |
| 02:57.33 | karlpinc | t3st3r: The latter happened to debian once. IIRC potato was stable forever. Could be wrong about the version. |
| 02:57.47 | t3st3r | OTOH ubuntu is pretty stupid to release this automation/nagging thing that MISERABLY FAILS what it trying to do like 50% of time. |
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| 02:58.09 | karlpinc | t3st3r: If it's shiney, people will be drawn to it. |
| 02:58.31 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPXcvThRNBI |
| 02:58.32 | t3st3r | You see, that odd python stuff just changes repo and attempts update. But so bugged/ignorant to errors/gets it wrong it backfires way too much. |
| 02:59.37 | t3st3r | So when I've used *buntus I had to actually update system more or less Debian way. I.e. switch repo and do apt-get thing yourself. Way more reliable than what ubuntu offers by default. |
| 02:59.45 | themill | (perhaps we should come back to solving specific problems in Debian?) |
| 03:00.49 | Deihmos | is there a way to check if there are backports available for the software that you have installed |
| 03:01.34 | karlpinc | Deihmos: Check at backports.debian.org, among other ways. |
| 03:01.39 | jcb2016 | Deihmos, /msg judd v <whatever here> |
| 03:02.03 | Deihmos | there isn't a terminal command? |
| 03:02.13 | karlpinc | Deihmos: Trouble with backports is that they are not supported by the security team. |
| 03:02.21 | themill | aptitude search ~i~Vbpo |
| 03:02.30 | karlpinc | Deihmos: You can use '-t stretch-backports' (iirc) with aptitude. |
| 03:03.14 | t3st3r | Deihmos> sure. Actually when backports are here, they are offered as update. Very logical, isn't it? |
| 03:03.31 | karlpinc | Deihmos: Backporters are supposed to commit to keeping their backport up-to-date and secure. But that's all you get and quality varies. |
| 03:03.55 | themill | t3st3r: no, backports are not offered as upgrades. You must explicitly request the backported package be installed. |
| 03:05.01 | karlpinc | (And it's not generally recommended to use backports for other than specific reasons on a case-by-case basis. Installing every backport is, discouraged. |
| 03:06.47 | t3st3r | karlpinc> well, recent kernel is decent reason alone. And well, seems I missed it since I do use testing. Yes, due to fact I'm not ok with ancient software. |
| 03:07.01 | t3st3r | well, that's on desktop ofc |
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| 03:07.46 | t3st3r | but it imply some fiddling with package management and one better to have backup plan if things backfire... |
| 03:08.33 | karlpinc | t3st3r: Testing is a good choice for some. |
| 03:08.46 | Deihmos | i switched to buster |
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| 03:09.42 | t3st3r | karlpinc> yes, but not everybody and not each and every use case. It stands for its name. |
| 03:09.47 | karlpinc | It seems to go in waves. More and more people use testing as a new debian release comes closer. After a release testing breaks a lot and there's less reason to use it. |
| 03:12.20 | t3st3r | Furthermore, "just released" stable Debian could be not totally shiny new stuff, but isn't terribly ancient either. |
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| 03:13.49 | t3st3r | As for me both tradeoffs feel valid, though different in some regards. However most obvious point of ubuntn would be sane set of GUI defaults and polished user experience. |
| 03:15.26 | t3st3r | Unfortunately it more and more heads to "user is and idiot" direction and "so let's goofy him and take advantage of him, nothing personal, just a business" |
| 03:16.47 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:23.09 | binaryhermit | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.13 | binaryhermit | err |
| 03:23.15 | binaryhermit | sorry |
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| 03:26.17 | justaddcoffee | what are some of the typical use-cases among Debian user base (what do you use your pc for-everyday web browsing, programming, other? |
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| 03:26.57 | __m4ch1n3__ | its an allrounder |
| 03:27.05 | cheapie | justaddcoffee: For me, mostly IRC and web browsing, with the occasional video encoding, software dev stuff, and (very) light gaming. |
| 03:27.08 | __m4ch1n3__ | plsx csgo on it |
| 03:27.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | so use it as steambox |
| 03:27.48 | __m4ch1n3__ | *play |
| 03:28.49 | t3st3r | justaddcoffee> I use debian for hell a lot of things, ranging from embedded and servers to processing photos and listening to music. |
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| 03:29.23 | cheapie | Yeah, I run it on my servers too... basically everything gets Debian by default here. |
| 03:29.26 | __m4ch1n3__ | with openbox-session 240mb ram usage & 1% cpu usage it lefts near to all resources for the game, thats pretty nice |
| 03:29.42 | t3st3r | Debian's site claims it "universal operating system" - and I can't readily imagine better description. |
| 03:29.53 | lindylex | justaddcoffee, everything I do with Debian Linux. It took me 13 years to figure out how to live without Windows. I still like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator and use them on Windows. |
| 03:30.18 | cheapie | Some boxes are running other things, but they have a specific reason to be doing so - Windows 2000 on this ancient computer, for instance, as I wanted to run some older Windows games and that's generally the best way to do that. |
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| 03:32.54 | karlpinc | The one place I won't run debian is on my wifi endpoints. Probably could, but its too much work. |
| 03:34.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | why its too much work? |
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| 03:37.11 | justaddcoffee | im a little new but dont venture back to windows often at all other than when forced to at work(thankfully thats only occaional web browsing and data entry) love the versatility and speed and stability of linux generally and haven't been stumped finding open source alternatives needed along the way |
| 03:38.27 | justaddcoffee | but it took me 25 years of using windows before i even heard of linux let alone tried it |
| 03:40.23 | karlpinc | __m4ch1n3__: You have to have an image to burn to firmware, and usually it has to be small. And for the right architecture using the right bootloader to match the hardware. |
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| 03:50.25 | Deihmos | in buster i have to use /usr/sbin/adduser but in stretch i can just type useradd. Is that normal? |
| 03:50.41 | themill | adduser and useradd are different. |
| 03:51.50 | themill | (it sounds like you need to configure your PATH appropriately) |
| 03:52.23 | Deihmos | meant adduser |
| 03:52.26 | Deihmos | typo |
| 03:52.49 | Deihmos | this is on a new buster install |
| 03:52.54 | themill | What user is this, how have you logged in etc |
| 03:52.59 | Deihmos | where is this set? |
| 03:53.12 | Deihmos | normal user |
| 03:53.22 | themill | a normal user can't run adduser |
| 03:53.29 | __m4ch1n3__ | sbin is not in PATH for nnon-root users or? |
| 03:53.30 | Deihmos | root |
| 03:53.38 | themill | [14:52] <themill> What user is this, how have you logged in etc |
| 03:53.39 | Deihmos | i use su to become root |
| 03:53.45 | themill | you need to use "su -" |
| 03:54.08 | themill | (if you want a login shell, which you do, you need to request one) |
| 03:54.09 | Deihmos | install sudo then try to adduser. using the path works fine just weird that i can't do it like i can on stretch |
| 03:54.32 | themill | you should also be using "su -" on stretch (and every release since the dawn of time) |
| 03:54.37 | Deihmos | i do the exact same on stretch |
| 03:55.09 | themill | my choice of "should" and "need" is both accurate and deliberate. |
| 03:55.12 | Deihmos | after installing sudo i no longer use root |
| 03:55.54 | Deihmos | so if i use su - the adduser command will work? is that what you are saying |
| 03:56.26 | themill | if you use "su -" you get a login shell and the login shell will have PATH set for the root user, which includes /usr/sbin |
| 03:56.57 | karlpinc | Deihmos: sudo can be either good or bad. I prefer not to have a single set of user-level credentials that gets root access. sudo can be good if multiple people use the same machine and need root. |
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| 03:57.19 | karlpinc | Deihmos: So, yes, adduser works with "su -". |
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| 03:59.15 | Deihmos | i am the only one that uses the pc. i prefer the sudo command though. |
| 04:00.09 | karlpinc | Deihmos: Your choice. (I also don't like the extra typing.) |
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| 04:11.39 | t3st3r | <karlpinc> __m4ch1n3__: You have to have an image to burn to firmware ... <- in this case it really makes sense to choose right hardware for Debian. |
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| 04:12.28 | t3st3r | some HW could just lack, say, flash space - at which point it wouldn't work. However I do run some wifi endpoints with Debian. |
| 04:13.16 | karlpinc | t3st3r: Do you build your own images or where do you get them? |
| 04:13.39 | t3st3r | I build my own images :) |
| 04:14.35 | t3st3r | on a very basic level, I tend to debootstrap/cdebootstrap very minimal debian and then put boot loaders/kernel/configuration to image as appropriate. |
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| 04:15.40 | karlpinc | Nice to see the effort being made. :) |
| 04:16.51 | __m4ch1n3__ | multistrap can strap ony arch independent from arch you run it |
| 04:16.51 | t3st3r | However debian would be troublesome for minimal HW. Say, unpacked packages list alone could be up to about 100Mb already. |
| 04:16.55 | __m4ch1n3__ | *any |
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| 04:17.22 | themill | vmdb2 is probably a better tool for making the entire image btw |
| 04:17.41 | t3st3r | debootstrap/cdebootstrap can be tricked into bootstrapping e.g. ARM distro from x86. |
| 04:17.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | yeah systemd ist good chooice for such minimal systems too |
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| 04:18.06 | t3st3r | Yet another python thing? Nope, thanks. |
| 04:18.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | *isnt |
| 04:18.49 | t3st3r | I prefer to do things minimal and low level way, the very opposite of things like this. |
| 04:19.03 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://wiki.debian.org/Multistrap |
| 04:19.05 | themill | I prefer not to do the same thing again and again and again. |
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| 04:20.14 | t3st3r | Eventually I get what I call "template" and it lives for quite some time, being "base" to create whatever images or roles I want. |
| 04:21.16 | t3st3r | on funny note, I've gone for rather funny setup where it can be booted in VM to do most tuning/testing without even posessing actual HW. |
| 04:21.21 | themill | I recently replaced a 3kloc shell script full of bad error handling that was provided to make images for an ARM board with a 30 line config file for vmdb2. I know which I prefer to maintain. You are welcome to your own thing. |
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| 04:23.08 | t3st3r | Yes. And python things are absolutely last I would do. Not to mention I'm not really sure why I need 30 lines config file and what it meant to contain if deployment is more or less unique. I don't respin same image twice unless there is good reason, which is rare. |
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| 04:25.01 | themill | I development, I respin many times per day. In deployment, every time there is a security update for what is included on the image. |
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| 04:27.21 | t3st3r | I just boot VM and install desired package in "template", generally. That's what Debian package management for. |
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| 04:31.32 | t3st3r | Basically I've seen what corporate ppl do with VMs, found it efficient and adopted idea to some new use cases. However in case of AP-like things one rather wants more or less stable platform, not "new packages". |
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| 04:41.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | yeah pythons syntax and error handling strategies make so many things redundant one would do in shell scripts |
| 04:41.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | if used propper |
| 04:41.56 | __m4ch1n3__ | simplifes things dramaticly |
| 04:43.29 | t3st3r | python things are known to suck at error handling and verbose report of progress - and when it breaks, it takes full fledged investigation... |
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| 04:44.40 | t3st3r | High level devs do not usually bother self with proper error handling and do plenty of assumptions, that may or may not match my environments. |
| 04:44.44 | themill | that's utter nonsense, so let's move on. |
| 04:45.38 | t3st3r | So I prefer to keep things as simple as I can and in a way I understand what happens here and now. |
| 04:46.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | no not if code is pythonic, but people often skip elemtary python knowledge cuz they think i know how "if" or "for" is used in other languages |
| 04:46.15 | t3st3r | Minimal dependencies are good bonus: less deps = less bugs, just that, literally. |
| 04:46.32 | themill | so moving on... |
| 04:46.53 | __m4ch1n3__ | there are elementary differnces how things in python should be used |
| 04:47.06 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/idiomatic-python-eafp-versus-lbyl/ |
| 04:47.24 | __m4ch1n3__ | and how errors should be handled |
| 04:47.56 | t3st3r | Yes. I'm low level guy who thinks unix way gets the point. Just let us assume I wouldn't use tooling written in python for these reasons - python can do nearly everything. Equally badly. |
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| 04:48.38 | t3st3r | oh yea, microsoft... windows way :) that's what I dont like. |
| 04:48.54 | themill | Maybe you can take this entirely unproductive monologue elsewhere? |
| 04:49.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | yeah but its an good explanation of EAFP versus LBYL |
| 04:50.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | if one doesnt understand that concept error handling turns into unreadble tracebaks and tons of redundant lines of code |
| 04:51.21 | __m4ch1n3__ | python is so clear about error handling |
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| 04:52.56 | t3st3r | Whatever. I prefer to keep things stable, predictable and minimal. It isn't about python at all. |
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| 04:54.17 | t3st3r | I had enough of stracing python stuff trying to figure out where or why it breaks to dislike it and don't trust such tooling. |
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| 04:54.35 | themill | please stop, this is beyond boring. |
| 04:54.44 | __m4ch1n3__ | :D |
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| 04:57.33 | __m4ch1n3__ | and best thing about error handling in python is it handles errors and makes if statemnts redundant at same time result is much simpler and readable code |
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| 05:01.54 | t3st3r | ppl using python tend to assume disk errors are non-existent, network is always available and so on. |
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| 09:49.42 | ksk | naicen: then check for existance of command beforehand, and output choosen text if non-existant. |
| 09:50.09 | apollo13 | override command_not_found_handle in your bashrc |
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| 09:54.35 | Ingvix | What would be the next step to investigate non-suspending lid close if suspending manually works, at least with "systemctl suspend", and just to be sure I've uncommented the relevant lines in /etc/systemd/logind.conf? |
| 09:55.28 | apollo13 | naicen: please keep it in here |
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| 10:43.24 | floogy | Hi, does anybody know if it's possible to issue and deploy sub-subdomain.mydyndnssubdomain.dyndnsserver.tld letsencrypt wildcard certificates e.g. by acme.sh for *sub-subdomain.mydyndnssubdomain.dyndnsserver.tld and mydyndnssubdomain.dyndnsserver.tld? |
| 10:44.35 | floogy | dyndnsserver.tld isn't under my control (selfhost.de) |
| 10:46.38 | rant | naicen: apt source bash; cd bash-5.0/ then edit line 5438 of execute_cmd.c and apt build-dep bash and apt -b source bash and install the deb you built :P |
| 10:47.22 | rant | naicen: alternatively, I suppose you could recompile the locale file for bash which should in theory work to change those strings and still allow you to use the debian pacakge and maintain upgrades |
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| 10:48.16 | floogy | What kind of #channel may fits better to my letsencrypt question? It's not particulary related to debian. |
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| 10:49.19 | rant | floogy: #letsencrypt perhaps? /msg alis list letsencrypt or /msg alis * -topic letsencrypt |
| 10:49.34 | floogy | Yes, but it's almost dead. |
| 10:50.19 | floogy | Mybe I should discuss it in their community forum instead .. |
| 10:50.35 | rant | there is a river in crimea.. |
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| 12:20.12 | Guest94813 | In my /etc/init.d/nftables I have required $network yet when the boot occurs I see an error "Error: Interface does not exist" for a rule containing `iif vmbr0; |
| 12:20.32 | Guest94813 | Shouldnât the interface already be up in $network? |
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| 12:26.44 | rant | um.. you're probably in the wrong channel.. Debian stable uses systemd |
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| 12:39.01 | n_1-c_k | Not all daemon-ish packages ship units files though, e.g. fwknop-server. Isn't there some wrapper cleverness for /etc/init.d scripts? |
| 12:40.01 | Guest94813 | i thought i read thatdebian still can use init.d |
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| 12:41.27 | n_1-c_k | systemd-sysv-generator seems to do it, or claims to. |
| 12:42.21 | Guest94813 | ok/ thanks |
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| 13:08.07 | rant | there is such a thing but systemd doesn't just automatically respect init.d scripts and changes to them |
| 13:08.14 | rant | you have to generate a unit from the init.d script |
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| 13:31.00 | n_1-c_k | rant: you contradict what systemd-sysv-generator(8) says. |
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| 13:33.05 | n_1-c_k | Guest94813: this might be relevant to your interests, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/233468/how-does-systemd-use-etc-init-d-scripts |
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| 13:38.12 | vertigo_38 | Another test |
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| 14:20.41 | nullbyte_ | how can i add linuxlogo.service to boot before login promt with systemd? |
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| 14:43.52 | Deihmos | How can I get some apps from the sid or unstable repo? Do the repos have the deb files ? |
| 14:44.50 | mawk | the repos have the deb files yes Deihmos |
| 14:44.56 | mawk | but that's not the best way to get them |
| 14:45.12 | Deihmos | What's the best way to get them |
| 14:45.23 | mawk | you can use apt with pinning |
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| 14:45.44 | mawk | then apt install yourpackage/sid I guess |
| 14:45.57 | mawk | but first look in the backports repo |
| 14:46.06 | Deihmos | Not in backports |
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| 14:46.21 | Deihmos | Apt with pinning? |
| 14:46.31 | themill | Didn't you say earlier you were running buster? |
| 14:48.01 | Deihmos | I also have a stable server running Plex and other media stuff |
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| 14:48.16 | themill | What package are you looking for? |
| 14:48.32 | themill | (mixing stable and sid is a very bad idea) |
| 14:48.34 | Deihmos | Unattended upgrades. Newer version. |
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| 14:51.03 | Deihmos | Also the buster unattended has a fix that didn't make it before freeze. |
| 14:51.37 | themill | The same version is in sid and buster |
| 14:51.40 | Deihmos | It sends an email even when there is nothing updated. |
| 14:52.40 | Deihmos | Developer said 1.12 will have the fix and it is compatible with buster so get it from unstable. It isn't there as yet. I am just not sure how that works. |
| 14:53.31 | themill | That's likely a package you could pull from sid and install in stable. I wouldn't do it and I wouldn't recommend others do so, particularly if they're not very comfortable with Debian. |
| 14:53.35 | Deihmos | Do I have to add unstable repo to source.list? |
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| 15:18.06 | erichanson | where can i look to see if there have been updates to package x (in this case libpq)? |
| 15:18.47 | marconline | I want to dual boot two debian os, one for private one for work. it works fine unencrypted. but once I encrypt the /root partition of both, grub can not find the second os. i have 4 partions. two times /boot unencrypted, and two times /root encrypted. no swap as I will use a file. How can I make grub find the other distro when /root partion is encrypted? |
| 15:19.17 | erichanson | i'm running into an error that has to be with the os because it's showing up on very old versions of the code that used to work fine, how do i see what has changed at the OS level? |
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| 15:22.46 | erichanson | i'm looking at https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libpq5 but -- is there like an update log or something i can consult? |
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| 15:24.26 | n_1-c_k | erichanson, look in /usr/share/doc/libpq5 |
| 15:25.08 | Deihmos | The kernel in buster is a bit old. Do you get the new kernel from backports? |
| 15:25.18 | Deihmos | I mean stretch |
| 15:27.07 | erichanson | n_1-c_k: thanks |
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| 16:05.52 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.22 | rant | marconline: also /root is the root users homedir, / is the rootfs |
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| 16:07.07 | rant | marconline: your problems probably have something to do with the fact you ARE using two /boot partitions when there is no need for it |
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| 16:10.06 | rant | marconline: you probably don't even need two seperate OS for whatever you're doing unless you have drastically different packages.. all you would need is a seperate encrypted /home partition or /home/user partition |
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| 17:18.44 | Ingvix | okay so could I get some assistance on compiling a new kernel? I've understood that I should include the patch found here: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44161#c254 but I'm not utterly sure how to navigate the site so is this the patch file that I'm seeking? Assuming one tries to navigate to it from the previous link https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=274121&action=diff&collapsed=&headers=1&format=raw |
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| 17:50.37 | ctr | hi |
| 17:51.02 | ctr | hey if i make a iso bootable in usb why does it say does not authenticate when i plug it in an boot |
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| 17:56.51 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 17:56.56 | johnfg | I've got a volume group that had been used for booting another system, that I want to use for my debian stretch. |
| 17:57.02 | johnfg | For all I've done with vgs and lvs, I've not actually reformatted them. |
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| 17:58.15 | johnfg | right now, they are /dev/vg0/lvol{1-3}. |
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| 17:58.29 | johnfg | lvol2 is swap, so needs no reformatting. |
| 17:58.39 | Payam | Hi, I installed Debian stretch on my computer but the resolution is horrible |
| 17:59.13 | Payam | I have libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati installed |
| 17:59.25 | Payam | and firmware-nonfree |
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| 18:01.04 | Payam | anyone? |
| 18:01.06 | johnfg | lvol1 and lvol3 are both ext4. Would I just reformat with, e.g., 'mkfs.ext4 /dev/vg0/lvol1' |
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| 18:02.18 | towo` | Payam, privide Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:04.21 | t3st3r | And dmesg, to see if drm/kms took off. |
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| 18:04.43 | Payam | towo`: https://paste.debian.net/1076442/ |
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| 18:05.36 | ctr | solved my problem for what it's worth |
| 18:05.51 | towo` | pylot, and your card is? |
| 18:05.54 | ctr | some weird manufacturer issue with secure boot |
| 18:05.54 | towo` | grr |
| 18:06.01 | towo` | Payam, and your card is? |
| 18:06.08 | towo` | sorry pylot |
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| 18:07.41 | Payam | towo`: product: Barts XT [Radeon HD 6870] |
| 18:08.14 | Payam | The max resolution I get now is 1280x1024 |
| 18:08.45 | towo` | Payam, sure, your system is using vesa |
| 18:08.52 | towo` | Payam, is firmware-amd-graphics installed? |
| 18:08.58 | Payam | let me check |
| 18:09.02 | Payam | again |
| 18:09.16 | towo` | Payam, if yes, your have rebooted your system after installing the firmware? |
| 18:09.33 | Payam | http://paste.debian.net/1076443/ |
| 18:09.37 | Payam | no! |
| 18:09.57 | Payam | so I reboot it now? |
| 18:10.06 | towo` | Payam, you have to reboot for loading the firmware |
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| 18:10.13 | Payam | okey I will now |
| 18:10.14 | Payam | thanks |
| 18:10.18 | Payam | be back otherwise |
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| 18:11.28 | ctr | hey is there an option for testing debian rather than full install? |
| 18:11.36 | ctr | or have to install |
| 18:11.38 | ctr | to test |
| 18:11.44 | gubernator | Hi -- still hoping to solve my audio problem. I cannot get bluetooth audio to work. The receiving device as well as my Debian Stable (KDE) system both indicate that the device is connected. I can control the volume for both speakers and the bluetooth device in from the audio tray icon. However, sound continues to come out of my speaker. Is there not a simple switch somewhere? |
| 18:12.02 | cmm11 | there's live cd's ctr |
| 18:12.16 | ctr | i'd have to do separate download though ? |
| 18:12.20 | Ingvix | ctr, https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 18:12.21 | Ingvix | yes |
| 18:12.26 | t3st3r | ctr> there're live images to give it a try |
| 18:12.46 | ctr | also odd question does the mouse move on the installer for you? |
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| 18:12.56 | ctr | just curious cause im thinking i'll prob wind up with track pad driver issues |
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| 18:13.01 | ctr | if everyone doesn't get that |
| 18:13.10 | Ingvix | depends on device |
| 18:14.03 | Ingvix | touchpads have not worked me in the installer but do work after it |
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| 18:14.30 | ctr | oh |
| 18:14.34 | ctr | thanks for info |
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| 18:14.40 | diogenes_ | gubernator, pavucontrol > configuration make sure u got bluetooth-pulse installed (name might differ) |
| 18:14.48 | ctr | i was starting to get that will drivers work depression |
| 18:16.58 | gubernator | diogenes_, i do have a package installed called pulseaudio-module-bluetooth |
| 18:17.51 | diogenes_ | that's it |
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| 18:19.12 | gubernator | i don't have pavucontrol installed, however. i had gnome installed originally, so perhaps my KDE install didn't bring all the tools |
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| 18:19.21 | gubernator | do i need pavucontrol? |
| 18:19.40 | diogenes_ | yes |
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| 18:25.35 | ctr | if it says i need extra firmware for my wifi in installer |
| 18:25.42 | ctr | theres no chance my wifi will work will it |
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| 18:26.43 | xcompose | hello, who develops this package? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libx11 |
| 18:26.54 | xcompose | or rather, the files within that package |
| 18:30.20 | gubernator | diogenes_, i have bluetooth audio working. thanks. however, i have to run pavucontrol to do this. my volume tray icon is tied to some other volume control package. would you know how to link pavucontrol to the tray icon? |
| 18:31.19 | xcompose | specifically these files https://sources.debian.org/src/libx11/2:1.6.7-1/nls/ so i know where to send patches to |
| 18:31.26 | diogenes_ | gubernator, in xcfe yes |
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| 18:36.27 | gubernator | diogenes_, gotcha, thanks |
| 18:37.25 | diogenes_ | you're welcome |
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| 18:39.34 | Peyam | hi towo` I still have 1920 x 1080. It is better but still not optimal |
| 18:40.29 | diogenes_ | Peyam, ? |
| 18:41.02 | Peyam | I have problem with my graphic card. I should have at max 2560x1600 but I can see up to 1920z1080 |
| 18:41.29 | diogenes_ | Peyam, try to add it manually |
| 18:41.41 | Peyam | xrandr? |
| 18:41.45 | diogenes_ | yes |
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| 18:42.50 | Peyam | Size 2560x1600 not found in available modes |
| 18:42.57 | diogenes_ | Peyam, ok let's try it, what is your desired resolution? |
| 18:43.40 | Peyam | 5640x1440 |
| 18:43.55 | diogenes_ | run: cvt 5640 1440 |
| 18:43.56 | Peyam | sorry |
| 18:44.02 | diogenes_ | pastebin the output |
| 18:44.04 | Peyam | 2560 |
| 18:44.18 | diogenes_ | cvt 2560 1600 |
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| 18:44.23 | diogenes_ | pastebin ^^^ |
| 18:44.40 | Peyam | http://paste.debian.net/1076451/ |
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| 18:45.33 | diogenes_ | now be patient :) |
| 18:45.48 | Peyam | sure |
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| 18:46.16 | diogenes_ | output of: xrandr | grep " connected " | awk '{ print$1 }' |
| 18:47.18 | Peyam | HDMI-0 |
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| 18:48.00 | diogenes_ | also are you sure you gave me the output of: cvt 2560 1600 |
| 18:48.07 | Peyam | no |
| 18:48.08 | Peyam | 1440 |
| 18:48.10 | Peyam | wait |
| 18:48.14 | diogenes_ | yeah |
| 18:48.18 | diogenes_ | give me the correct one |
| 18:48.25 | n4dir | awk can "grep" too (not that it would matter, just doing smalltalk) xrandr | awk 'connected { print $1 }' ; or such |
| 18:48.31 | Peyam | http://paste.debian.net/1076452/ |
| 18:49.42 | Peyam | and I want 1440 |
| 18:49.55 | diogenes_ | ok now |
| 18:50.04 | diogenes_ | xrandr --newmode "2560x1600_60.00" 348.50 2560 2760 3032 3504 1600 1603 1609 1658 -hsync +vsync |
| 18:50.07 | diogenes_ | tell me when done |
| 18:50.40 | Peyam | diogenes_, are you sure it has to be 1600? because my desired resolution is 2560x1440 |
| 18:51.20 | Peyam | ? |
| 18:51.21 | diogenes_ | Peyam, what cvt xxxxx did you run? |
| 18:51.31 | Peyam | both and I gave you both outpurs |
| 18:51.34 | Peyam | t |
| 18:52.11 | Peyam | this is the output for 2560x1440 http://paste.debian.net/1076453/ |
| 18:52.28 | diogenes_ | so you see |
| 18:52.34 | diogenes_ | this one you haven't given me |
| 18:52.55 | Peyam | <Peyam> http://paste.debian.net/1076451/ |
| 18:52.55 | Peyam | <diogenes_> now be patient :) |
| 18:53.32 | diogenes_ | ok now run: |
| 18:53.48 | diogenes_ | xrandr --newmode "2560x1440_60.00" 312.25 2560 2752 3024 3488 1440 1443 1448 1493 -hsync +vsync |
| 18:54.05 | Peyam | yes |
| 18:54.12 | diogenes_ | xrandr --addmode HDMI-0 2560x1440_60.00 |
| 18:54.28 | Peyam | yes |
| 18:54.31 | diogenes_ | xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 2560x1440_60.00 |
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| 18:58.30 | diogenes_ | Peyam, so? |
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| 18:59.40 | t3st3r | Btw, are you sure your HW supports this resolution? HDMI on its own was not able to support resolutions beyond 1920x1080 except in most recent HDMI versions. Not each and every GPU and LCD supports latest HDMI versions. |
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| 19:00.10 | Peyam | didn't work |
| 19:00.14 | t3st3r | Btw, are you sure your HW supports this resolution? HDMI on its own was not able to support resolutions beyond 1920x1080 except in most recent HDMI versions. Not each and every GPU and LCD supports latest HDMI versions. |
| 19:00.34 | diogenes_ | yeah then it's not supported |
| 19:00.39 | Peyam | t3st3r, google search says yes |
| 19:01.05 | t3st3r | Say my GPU would NOT work vs my LCD at full resolution - that what exactly forces me to use either DP or dual-link (!!!) DVI. |
| 19:01.10 | diogenes_ | Peyam, and the output of: inxi -Gx? |
| 19:01.41 | Peyam | command not found |
| 19:01.43 | t3st3r | HDMI would give 1920x1080. That's best common HDMI version supported across LCD and GPU can do. |
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| 19:02.00 | t3st3r | Maybe you faced same thing? |
| 19:02.01 | diogenes_ | Peyam, ok then: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 |
| 19:02.22 | Peyam | http://paste.debian.net/1076455/ |
| 19:03.14 | diogenes_ | yeah, i guess there's nothing you can do there. |
| 19:03.41 | Peyam | really? :( what do they say it suported that high resolution but it doesnt? |
| 19:04.49 | t3st3r | HDMI only got support of anything beyond 1920x1080 quite recently. That's one of reasons hi-res LCDs boast DP and *dual-link* DVI. |
| 19:05.02 | Peyam | how do I know if AMD drivers are in action or flxg? |
| 19:05.07 | t3st3r | Technically HDMI is similar to SINGLE-link DVI. |
| 19:05.09 | Peyam | the screen becam too bright |
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| 19:10.21 | Peyam | fixed it |
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| 19:20.53 | aloo_shu | Peyam: checking on drivers in use would have been lsmod |
| 19:21.13 | aloo_shu | (list modules) |
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| 19:35.16 | johnfg | Didn't see an answer. If I want to reuse some lvm logical volumes, is it enough just to reformat them to whatever filesystem? |
| 19:36.28 | GNU\colossus | yup. a LV is just another block device. |
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| 19:44.43 | int80 | hi folks, can i somehow disable middle click at my x230 thinkpad on debian? |
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| 19:46.27 | int80 | meaning the touchpad |
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| 19:51.44 | johnfg | GNU\colossus: Thanks, that's what I thought. |
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| 19:54.43 | notadeveloper | hi |
| 19:54.51 | notadeveloper | how do i get more resolution option on debian |
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| 20:04.17 | SerajewelKS | notadeveloper: usually if the options you have don't match what your monitor can do, it means you are missing video drivers |
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| 21:08.32 | platypo | hello. Anybody here from yesterday who wants to hear how fixing the filesystem with ubcd583 turned out? |
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| 21:11.09 | platypo | the result is hdd seems to be faulty. I chose a tool from the diagnosis-menu with the option of fixing bad blocks with a write-read-write method. It ran for >24h then it said it was aborting some operations. |
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| 21:11.29 | platypo | nvm |
| 21:12.30 | cheapie | platypo: Not sure which one you used, but ViVARD is usually best for hard drive diagnosis. IIRC it's on the UBCD in the hard drive diagnosis section. |
| 21:12.59 | cheapie | I recommend using the verify (WITHOUT remapping) option to test if a drive is any good, combined with the SMART data it shows when you select the drive. |
| 21:13.22 | cheapie | If verify reports errors, then it's best to replace the drive. |
| 21:14.02 | platypo | cheapie: ok. Looking a way to fix it within 48h seems thus utopical, am i right? |
| 21:14.34 | cheapie | If it's reporting errors, the drive is probably about done for. Replace it and restore from backup |
| 21:15.11 | platypo | damn... well, thanks for the answer |
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| 21:15.17 | cheapie | FWIW, you can do this from within Linux too - "badblocks -sv /dev/whatever" will do a read-only scan of the entire drive. |
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| 21:15.41 | platypo | cheapie: on mounted partitions? |
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| 21:15.49 | cheapie | Yes, read-only scans are safe to do on mounted drives. |
| 21:16.23 | platypo | ok thanks for the advice. I hope next time i'll remember |
| 21:16.44 | cheapie | Don't do a read-write scan (-n or -w option) on a drive with mounted stuff, but badblocks won't let you do that anyway. |
| 21:17.08 | cheapie | Also keep in mind that the -w option will ERASE EVERYTHING ON THE DRIVE, so don't use that one unless that's what you want. |
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| 21:17.20 | cheapie | (it won't erase anything if you don't use -w) |
| 21:17.44 | platypo | ftr: can this issue be fixed by setting up and formatting the whole drive? |
| 21:18.19 | cheapie | Wiping the drive may fix it enough to be used, but it really depends on how bad the drive is. The safest approach is to replace the drive. |
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| 21:19.39 | cheapie | If you want, you can, after making sure no data of value is on the drive, run "badblocks -svwt 0 /dev/whatever" on the drive - this WILL ERASE IT so be careful. If, after a pass or two of that, you're still getting errors, the drive is no good at all. |
| 21:19.56 | cheapie | If you get no errors, then the drive may be usable but I wouldn't trust it. |
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| 21:20.46 | cheapie | If you want to do this from the UBCD, you can use ViVARD's erase option followed by the verify option to do the same thing. |
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| 21:22.37 | cheapie | It might also be worth looking at the output of "smartctl -x /dev/whatever", specifically attribute #5 (Reallocated_Sector_Ct) - if the raw value of this one is >0, the drive has problems, and if it's more than a few dozen the drive is likely failing. |
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| 22:12.06 | uBlast | ello ello |
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| 22:13.23 | kanliot | hi |
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| 22:47.46 | argus | i use commannd grep -i -o to many files output haver Experian_Arizona.csv:text i need no put file name grep |
| 22:49.54 | kanliot | argus try -h |
| 22:50.24 | argus | grep -i -o -h ? |
| 22:50.36 | kanliot | does it work? |
| 22:51.08 | EdePopede | argus: i think i got you until "output". but then, erm. |
| 22:51.41 | argus | ok |
| 22:51.44 | argus | tnk u... |
| 22:51.57 | argus | done worked... no put filename output |
| 22:52.38 | kanliot | nice |
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