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| 00:17.17 | karlpinc | What's the "right way to name nodes inside a private |
| 00:17.32 | karlpinc | network these days? What domain, .localnet? |
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| 00:20.21 | karlpinc | (I don't believe any rfc reserves a top-level domain for this.) |
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| 00:23.34 | karlpinc | I guess I'll just do the usual and use *.lan.mydomain.com. |
| 00:24.59 | mutante | karlpinc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local ? |
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| 00:25.34 | mutante | ah, you probably mean that is outdated..ok |
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| 00:27.38 | karlpinc | mutante: Yah. ".local" is problematic. I just found a couple of other referenced in rfc6761 (??) but really, may as well use a real (sub) domain name. (Except the hassles, including typing, involved in a sub-domain.) |
| 00:28.27 | echeveria | short domain names are plentiful now thanks to ICANN. |
| 00:29.01 | karlpinc | echeveria: Buying another just for internal use is a hassle -- at least in terms of renewal. Somebody always forgets and then.... |
| 00:29.31 | mutante | karlpinc: but if you put the subdomain.domain part into a 'search' line in your /etc/resolv.conf you never have to type it.. right |
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| 00:32.32 | CarlFK | 6.3. Domain Name Reservation Considerations for "localhost." "invalid." The domains "example.", "example.com.", "example.net.", "example.org.", https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6761 |
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| 00:32.48 | CarlFK | I only skimmed - maybe it has what you are looking for, or a link to it. |
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| 00:32.58 | CarlFK | I've been wondering about that too |
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| 00:38.52 | echeveria | karlpinc: who doesn't love trying to remember if your host in on .plumbing or .plumbers though? |
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| 01:41.15 | seeker63 | when i installed wheezy back in the day at the initial install screen i could hit f1 and the type linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false. where can that be done in stretch |
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| 01:48.34 | seeker63 | i see there is install parameters but when i start to install stretch and hit f1 nothing happens except continue to install without my parameter input |
| 01:49.34 | seeker63 | i gain this knowledge by reading 5.3 boot parameters which explains the parameters but does not tell how to input them at install |
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| 01:51.42 | seeker63 | where do i input vga=normal fb=false |
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| 02:03.47 | seeker63 | does any one see my questions. i would like a step by step on how to input install parameters |
| 02:04.47 | annadane | we do see your questions. i'd answer you if i knew |
| 02:05.12 | seeker63 | thank you for the response annadane |
| 02:05.18 | karlpinc | seeker63: There's always Alt-F3 (or maybe f2, I forget) where you get a shell and then can edit. Or boot into rescue mode after install. That gives you your installed stuff all mounted in a shell in chroot, and you can edit /etc/default/grub. |
| 02:06.00 | karlpinc | seeker63: Unless you're trying to alter the boot parameters for the installer itself. Then I don't know. But the install guide should help with that. |
| 02:06.12 | karlpinc | (The install guide might be useful otherwise too.) |
| 02:06.55 | seeker63 | karlpinc; i use /msg dpkg install guide? |
| 02:07.17 | karlpinc | seeker63: I always go to debian.org and find it there. (I forget.) |
| 02:07.40 | seeker63 | kalpinc: thank you |
| 02:08.10 | karlpinc | If you're going to edit /etc/default/grub you have to run install-grub after to make it take effect. |
| 02:08.52 | seeker63 | karlpinc: thank you how can I get quicker response on here do not take offence by this question |
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| 02:29.15 | aloo_shu | karlpinc: I guess update-grub is enough after editing grub config under /etc , unless for any reason, grub isn't installed yet |
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| 02:30.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | jesus now i cant connect to libvirt uri, i might accidently disabled or masked something relevant in systemd |
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| 02:31.34 | __m4ch1n3__ | T_T does it mean when service has status "generated" |
| 02:33.53 | __m4ch1n3__ | Unable to connect to libvirt qemu:///system |
| 02:34.20 | __m4ch1n3__ | libvirt.libvirtError: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': File not found |
| 02:36.15 | __m4ch1n3__ | could that be the reason: |
| 02:36.16 | __m4ch1n3__ | saned.socket disabled |
| 02:36.16 | __m4ch1n3__ | systemd-networkd.socket disabled |
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| 02:39.00 | seeker63 | so fyi on stretch install to get a listing of boot parameter possibllity press h and then enter at initial splash screen. thanks for your patient help and guidance |
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| 02:40.01 | karlpinc | seeker63: There is no way to get a quicker response. Paitence is required. You could try to come back during U.S. business hours. The Europeans are up late and the U.S. is working and knowledgeable people seem to frequent then. |
| 02:40.51 | jmcnaught | __m4ch1n3__: systemd-networkd and saned are unrelated to libvirt. Did you try restarting libvirt? |
| 02:40.57 | t3st3rV2 | <__m4ch1n3__> T_T does it mean when service has status "generated" <- if that's a question, it is possible to make systemd to generate "transient" unit if I remember. |
| 02:41.54 | seeker63 | karlpine: thanks this was pretty quick though just now |
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| 02:42.16 | __m4ch1n3__ | yes restarted it rebooted user is member of group libvirt, |
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| 02:43.01 | __m4ch1n3__ | i try uncomment #unix_sock_dir = "/var/run/libvirt" in /etc/libvirt/libvirt.conf |
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| 02:44.17 | jmcnaught | __m4ch1n3__: what's in the logs for libvirtd? |
| 02:44.35 | seeker63 | good bye |
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| 02:48.08 | __m4ch1n3__ | Apr 11 03:57:41 localhost kernel: [ 42.763542] audit: type=1400 audit(1554947859.784:5): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_load" profile="unconfined" name="/usr/sbin/libvirtd//qemu_bridge_helper" pid=530 comm="apparmor_parser" |
| 02:49.48 | __m4ch1n3__ | Apr 11 03:57:41 localhost systemd[1]: Starting LSB: libvirt management daemon... |
| 02:49.48 | __m4ch1n3__ | Apr 11 03:57:41 localhost systemd[1]: Started LSB: libvirt management daemon. |
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| 02:53.10 | jmcnaught | __m4ch1n3__: LSB? Can you make a paste of "systemctl status libvirtd.service" and "journalctl -u libvirtd.service"? |
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| 02:58.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://termbin.com/2c9t |
| 02:58.44 | __m4ch1n3__ | oh that was "service libvirtd status" |
| 02:59.37 | jmcnaught | __m4ch1n3__: which release of Debian are you using? On stretch at least libvirtd.service is not generated, it's in /lib/systemd/system/ |
| 02:59.54 | __m4ch1n3__ | buster |
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| 03:00.23 | jmcnaught | did you do something to /lib/systemd/system/libvirtd.service? what else did you do? |
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| 03:03.03 | __m4ch1n3__ | "libvirt.libvirtError: error from service: CheckAuthorization: Action org.libvirt.unix.manage is not registered" |
| 03:03.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | error in virt-manager changed |
| 03:04.14 | __m4ch1n3__ | should I be worried about "direct firewall backend requested, but /sbin/ebtables is not availabl" |
| 03:06.49 | __m4ch1n3__ | i did some systemd experiments and masked lot things to figure out if system becomes more efficient :D |
| 03:07.15 | __m4ch1n3__ | systemd-harakiri |
| 03:08.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | brb |
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| 03:15.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | it works again :3 |
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| 03:16.24 | __m4ch1n3__ | but it is stil generated |
| 03:18.16 | jmcnaught | sounds like you deleted files from /lib/systemd/system |
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| 03:28.02 | annadane | what does this mean? https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Failed_units "Failed units can be manually cleared out:" |
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| 03:28.22 | annadane | oh okay reset-failed |
| 03:28.23 | jcb2016 | can we talk about buster here? |
| 03:29.04 | annadane | generally the channel for it is #debian-next on OFTC, it's fairly close to release date though, but it depends on the question too, someone may be able to answer it |
| 03:29.24 | jcb2016 | http://paste.debian.net/1077074/ < -- getting this error from sudo apt update |
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| 03:32.35 | jcb2016 | debian-next on oftc is dead |
| 03:33.38 | themill | I'm not sure 2 min is a particularly long time to make that assessment |
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| 03:35.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | :D |
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| 05:32.39 | clairede1 | Does anyone know of a 4-port gigabit NIC that will wrk out of the box with debian? |
| 05:32.49 | clairede1 | I'd heavily prefer to not have any proprietary drivers |
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| 05:34.05 | clairede1 | " Almost any network interface card (NIC) supported by the Linux kernel should also be supported by the installation system; drivers should normally be loaded automatically. This includes most PCI/PCI-Express cards as well as PCMCIA/Express Cards on laptops. Many older ISA cards are supported as well. " |
| 05:34.17 | clairede1 | I can't seem to find a linux kernel compatibility list |
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| 05:43.36 | civillian | The intel 4-port gig ones are well supported |
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| 05:44.06 | clairede1 | like the pro 1000? I thought that required a non-free firmware |
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| 05:46.09 | civillian | check e1000 firmware, I doubt you'll need it |
| 05:47.13 | civillian | yeah pretty sure intel open-sourced their whole e1000 stack |
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| 05:47.59 | clairede1 | so it should just work out of the box? |
| 05:48.06 | civillian | yep |
| 05:48.12 | rocketmagnet | when i'm getting the linking error: no -lpthreads foound, which package am i missing ? |
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| 05:48.55 | clairede1 | well-supported hardware is weird because when you google it, all yuo see are the posts about people complaining |
| 05:49.02 | clairede1 | no one makes a post saying "This NIC works fine!" |
| 05:49.15 | civillian | e1000 is solid as |
| 05:49.55 | civillian | I assume this is for a router? |
| 05:51.15 | clairede1 | well, it's for a home server actually |
| 05:51.29 | clairede1 | I've got an old core2duo machine I wanted to upgrade |
| 05:51.42 | clairede1 | so I was going to get a 2tb drive, 8gb of ram, and a gigabit NIC |
| 05:51.49 | clairede1 | and I figured 4 ports was better than 1 |
| 05:53.21 | clairede1 | I think the current NIC on the machine is 100mbps |
| 05:53.34 | qman__ | you can get them for around $20 on amazon/ebay, often with HP or IBM branding |
| 05:54.02 | civillian | is it a core2 duo desktop? Its probably gig already. |
| 05:54.20 | at0m | one core2duo machine here, dual gigabit |
| 05:55.13 | clairede1 | let me check |
| 05:55.33 | at0m | ethtool $interface | grep base |
| 05:56.34 | clairede1 | no, mine is 100 I think |
| 05:57.35 | clairede1 | that's weird |
| 05:57.40 | civillian | `sudo lspci | grep Ethernet` and lookup the model |
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| 05:57.53 | clairede1 | it says it supports 1000 but sys class net eth0 speed gives me 100 |
| 05:58.51 | civillian | that's your line sync speed I believe |
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| 06:00.05 | clairede1 | that's the speed my ISP gives me? |
| 06:00.42 | clairede1 | I'm currently using my ISP's router-modem combo unit |
| 06:02.15 | clairede1 | and said modem has 4 gigabit ports... |
| 06:03.08 | clairede1 | so it seems to be an issue on my desktop's side |
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| 06:09.27 | clairedesu | I think it might be my cable |
| 06:09.39 | clairedesu | I tried to force 1000 and it made my machine go offline |
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| 06:13.37 | oiaohm | clairedesu: I guess you don't have a cable tester. |
| 06:14.00 | clairedesu | I can get one |
| 06:14.16 | clairedesu | TBH I was looking for an excuse to buy a crimping kit |
| 06:14.29 | clairedesu | the cat5e wire is just so expensive though -_- |
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| 06:18.27 | oiaohm | clairedesu: I have done horrible of pushing gigabit though cat3. Works if the run is short enough. |
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| 06:18.58 | oiaohm | clairedesu: more often and not a connection 100mbs only is bad connection at one end or the other. |
| 06:19.32 | clairedesu | hmm |
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| 06:19.48 | oiaohm | 100mbs uses 4 out of the 8 wires gigabit requires all 8 wires to work. |
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| 06:20.18 | clairedesu | I don't actually know how the wires are configured, I had to do some emergency maintainance |
| 06:20.28 | clairedesu | so there's a small chance I'm using a 100ft cat5 cable |
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| 06:22.02 | clairedesu | is it bad if the ethernet cable is being slightly pinched? |
| 06:22.11 | clairedesu | I'm running it from my router in my room to the server in my closet |
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| 06:22.20 | clairedesu | and I have the cable running through the hinge gap in the closety |
| 06:22.35 | oiaohm | clairedesu: something people who are not cablers are not aware of when cat5e came in some branded cat5 on spec sheet was updated to cat5e. |
| 06:23.09 | oiaohm | clairedesu: pinching network cable is bad. Its how to break wires at that point. |
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| 06:24.40 | oiaohm | clairedesu: same with overtensioning the cable. |
| 06:26.29 | clairedesu | I honestly have no clue what cat specification the cable is |
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| 06:26.40 | clairedesu | it's an ethernet-shaped jack |
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| 06:28.48 | clairedesu | Do you know somewhere where I can buy cat5e wire? I haven't had much luck on ebay. |
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| 06:29.30 | darxmurf | why not cat6 ? |
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| 06:30.10 | clairedesu | well, I probably won't be using 10gbe for quite a while |
| 06:30.13 | at0m | clairedesu: most any local electrics, DIY or computer shop here has it |
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| 06:31.08 | at0m | bought 100m spindle, bunch of plugs, grippers and tester there |
| 06:31.54 | darxmurf | yep but for a new install now, I would say it's pretty sad to put cat5 |
| 06:32.37 | clairedesu | I wasn't going to do any wall wiring, probably just a few patch cables |
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| 06:33.50 | darxmurf | cat 6 anyway :-) |
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| 06:35.25 | clairedesu | it just seems really expensive to pay $50 for a cable |
| 06:35.42 | darxmurf | Oo |
| 06:35.46 | darxmurf | which length ? |
| 06:36.09 | clairedesu | 1000 feet of cat6 is $53.71 |
| 06:36.46 | darxmurf | not that expensive then |
| 06:36.54 | darxmurf | for 300m of cable |
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| 06:38.17 | darxmurf | it's about twice the price here :D |
| 06:40.24 | oiaohm | clairedesu: most new deployments use cat6 . https://www.pcgamer.com/what-are-the-differences-between-cat5-cat6-and-cat7-ethernet-cables/ You do need to watch the cat6 carefully there is cat6 and cat6a. Of course the extra shielding and the like of the a version is a lot more expensive. |
| 06:41.22 | oiaohm | clairedesu: Connection plugs on the end of cat3-cat7 are almost the same. Only difference is some connectors are shielded and some are not. |
| 06:43.36 | clairedesu | megabits per second are megabytes per second * 8, right? |
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| 06:44.42 | oiaohm | Yep you have to divide megabits per second by 8 to get megabytes per second. |
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| 06:45.19 | oiaohm | cat5e and cat6(no A) are the same connectors. |
| 06:45.51 | oiaohm | Cat rating is normally printed on the side of the cable if that is not rubbed off. |
| 06:45.54 | clairedesu | isn't cat3-7 the same rj45? |
| 06:46.10 | SwedeMike | oiaohm: what do you mean by "same connector"? |
| 06:46.18 | oiaohm | cat6a and cat7 uses shield version. |
| 06:46.43 | SwedeMike | oiaohm: CAT6A can be STP or UTP. |
| 06:47.34 | clairedesu | do fiber cables have a cat rating? |
| 06:47.38 | clairedesu | my switch has 2 fiber ports |
| 06:47.38 | SwedeMike | https://wbnetworks.com.au/blog/understanding-the-difference-between-cat6a-cable-types "CAT6A U/UTP means the cable consists of 4 unshielded twisted pairs and no outer shielding." "CAT6A F/UTP means the cable consists of 4 unshielded twisted pairs however it contains an outer foil shield. This is a shielded cable." |
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| 06:48.39 | SwedeMike | clairedesu: no, they have different rating, it's not called "CAT" |
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| 06:49.00 | clairedesu | oh, another entirely different thing |
| 06:49.19 | clairedesu | my x200 laptop running debian seems to be ignoring the power settings I set |
| 06:49.46 | clairedesu | I have it set to not sleep when It's on AC power, but it seems to sleep anyways when it's on the dock |
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| 06:51.00 | oiaohm | SwedeMike: thanks for the correct I keep on forgetting that Cat6a has U/UTP option because I never need that. I am always using F/UTP or F/STP Cat6a if I am using cat6a. |
| 06:51.12 | oiaohm | SwedeMike: not need use that. |
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| 07:37.27 | choice | Today, "apt update && apt upgrade" tells me this: "3 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them" |
| 07:37.35 | choice | Why aren't they upgraded right away? |
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| 07:39.43 | apollo13 | choice: try upgrading one of them and should tell you an error of why |
| 07:40.07 | apollo13 | they can in theory be upgraded but something is blocking them, or you need a dist-upgrade |
| 07:40.33 | apollo13 | or full-upgrade that is on apt |
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| 07:40.52 | choice | apollo13: How do I upgrade one package? |
| 07:41.30 | apollo13 | choice: apt upgrade some_package |
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| 07:43.05 | choice | ok "apt upgrade certbot" -> Tells me that it depends on python3-certbot which is not going to be installed. |
| 07:43.27 | apollo13 | ok, now try to upgrade that, there is apparently a conflict somewhere on the way |
| 07:43.33 | choice | Which in turn depends on python3-parsedatetime but is not going to be installed ... |
| 07:44.02 | choice | If I want to upgradte *that* .... |
| 07:44.04 | apollo13 | might be that you have to wait a day and it will solve itself |
| 07:44.16 | choice | It wants to delete some dozen of packages and install some dozen packages. |
| 07:44.18 | choice | Wtf... |
| 07:44.27 | apollo13 | why wtf? |
| 07:44.46 | choice | Why am I getting this mess when all I want is security updates? |
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| 07:45.07 | apollo13 | what does apt-cache policy python3-parsedatetime show? |
| 07:45.13 | choice | Looks like some package deep down made the decision to suddenly use python3 instead of python. |
| 07:45.32 | apollo13 | that surely didn't "suddenly" happen on stable if you are not using weird 3rd party repos |
| 07:45.41 | apollo13 | or hopefully rather :D |
| 07:45.47 | choice | Aha |
| 07:45.55 | choice | Maybe this is an Ubuntu machine? |
| 07:46.10 | apollo13 | ?! |
| 07:46.15 | apollo13 | then you are in the wrong channel |
| 07:46.18 | choice | python3-parsedatetime: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.1-3+deb9u1 Version table: 2.1-3+deb9u1 500 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages |
| 07:46.19 | apollo13 | and should complain to ubuntu |
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| 07:46.43 | choice | ^ output of apt-cache policy python3-parsedatetime |
| 07:46.49 | choice | Seems to use the debian repos. |
| 07:47.02 | apollo13 | forget seems, what is it? |
| 07:47.12 | choice | uname -a also tells me it is Debian. |
| 07:47.19 | choice | apollo13: What do you mean? |
| 07:47.37 | apollo13 | well don't "guess", verify, what does lsb_release -a say |
| 07:48.05 | choice | No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 9.8 (stretch) Release:9.8 Codename:stretch |
| 07:48.08 | choice | So Debian. |
| 07:48.18 | choice | I doubt I have weird 3rd party repos as you said. |
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| 07:49.00 | apollo13 | don't doubt verify, when did you do an upgrade last time, because certbot hasn't seen updates in a while https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/p/python-certbot/python-certbot_0.28.0-1~deb9u1_changelog |
| 07:49.01 | choice | /etc/apt/sources.list has only debian repos. |
| 07:49.20 | apollo13 | unless it doesn't show anything there that is new |
| 07:49.24 | apollo13 | and sources.list.d? |
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| 07:50.04 | apollo13 | also apt-cache policy python3-certbot and use a pastebin |
| 07:50.05 | choice | That is a dir that contains google-chrome.list |
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| 07:50.38 | apollo13 | that one usually does not cause problems |
| 07:50.44 | choice | apollo13: https://pastebin.com/raw/44kuRBSU |
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| 07:52.15 | apollo13 | choice: so probably certbot itself, what was the list of the 3 packages it tried to update |
| 07:52.28 | choice | certbot python-acme python-certbot-apache |
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| 07:53.00 | choice | I still don't understand why Debian is not upgrading it. If it needs additional dependencies (python 3?) so be it, right? |
| 07:53.47 | apollo13 | no, it generally needs a full-upgrade instead of just upgrade if it removes packages (I think partially even if it installs new packages) to not break something you didn't want |
| 07:54.25 | choice | Why would it remove packages and not just leave them? |
| 07:54.48 | apollo13 | so https://packages.debian.org/stretch/python-certbot-apache is a transitional package |
| 07:55.11 | apollo13 | conversion to py3 happened at Fri, 05 Jan 2018 21:52:51 -0500 |
| 07:55.16 | apollo13 | so you already should be on those |
| 07:55.18 | jelly | choice: hard to say, run apt -s full-upgrade and tell us what it would do |
| 07:55.42 | apollo13 | also apt-cache policy python-certbot-apache |
| 07:55.53 | apollo13 | that should show how old the system is and if the transition makes sense |
| 07:55.59 | choice | jelly: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: python-acme python-augeas python-certbot python-cffi-backend ... and dozens more. |
| 07:56.10 | apollo13 | choice: paste the full list |
| 07:56.23 | choice | jelly: The following NEW packages will be installed: python-josepy python-requests-toolbelt python3-acme ... and dozens more. |
| 07:56.43 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 07:56.44 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:56.45 | jelly | choice: ^ |
| 07:57.16 | jelly | choice: that all sounds pretty normal |
| 07:57.38 | choice | jelly: So why doesnt it upgrade when I do "apt update && apt upgrade"? |
| 07:57.49 | jelly | because dependencies changed. |
| 07:57.50 | apollo13 | choice: as I said before, it won't remove packages by default |
| 07:57.59 | apollo13 | or install new ones |
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| 07:58.21 | choice | apollo13: apt stops everytime a package has a new dependency? |
| 07:58.46 | jelly | !safe-upgrade |
| 07:58.46 | apollo13 | more or less, not sure on the actual algorithm, but for a change from python2 to python3, yes for sure |
| 07:58.46 | dpkg | safe-upgrade is the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>. |
| 07:59.03 | jelly | _won't install new packages_ applies. |
| 07:59.21 | choice | Wow |
| 07:59.24 | choice | That's funky. |
| 07:59.26 | apollo13 | choice: generally dependencies do not change in a stable distribution |
| 07:59.35 | jelly | that's how it always worked |
| 07:59.38 | choice | Why is adding packages considered dangerous? |
| 07:59.40 | apollo13 | (aside from their versions, but that is updated just fine) |
| 08:00.06 | apollo13 | it doesn't have to be dangerous, but it is something you should know about |
| 08:00.32 | choice | Ok, so the dust settles. |
| 08:00.56 | choice | When I type "python" right now, I get a python 2.7 prompt. |
| 08:01.05 | apollo13 | just for fun, what does apt-cache policy python-certbot-apache give you? |
| 08:01.08 | choice | When I do a full-upgrade, I will suddenly a 3.something prompt? |
| 08:01.19 | apollo13 | no, the python default version won't change |
| 08:01.37 | apollo13 | at least not if you are staying inside the stable release, if you update to testing or so all bets are off |
| 08:01.38 | choice | apollo13: So nothing dangerous will happen. |
| 08:01.50 | apollo13 | depends, you still haven't shown the outputs we asked for |
| 08:02.35 | choice | apollo13: https://pastebin.com/raw/1gG5X4Fz |
| 08:03.08 | apollo13 | you didn't upgrade the system since Thu, 26 Jan 2017 ? |
| 08:03.31 | choice | apollo13: I "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" several times per week. |
| 08:03.56 | jelly | choice: learn to run full-upgrade instead of upgrade from now on |
| 08:04.02 | apollo13 | then you would have run over those 3 packages before |
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| 08:04.11 | jelly | otherwise you're not patching all the things |
| 08:04.32 | choice | apollo13: Could be that I did not notice them in the outpub before. |
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| 08:05.17 | choice | jelly: Interesting. I did not expect that such a low "hurdle" would make the upgrade process halt. |
| 08:05.41 | apollo13 | choice: the hurdle in this case is quite high |
| 08:06.01 | apollo13 | if you had written custom code that would have used certbot it would break now |
| 08:06.07 | choice | apollo13: Why? |
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| 08:06.13 | choice | Why would it break? |
| 08:06.17 | apollo13 | because you code that assumed python2 before will most certainly not work with certbot running on py3 |
| 08:06.34 | apollo13 | python code that is, if you just have bash scripts running certbots you will probably be fine |
| 08:06.38 | choice | Why not? The custom code would probably just call certbot from a bash shell script. |
| 08:06.38 | apollo13 | because your* |
| 08:06.53 | apollo13 | choice: yeah but "probably" isn't something that is "safe to assume" |
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| 08:07.11 | jelly | choice: "probably" |
| 08:07.20 | apollo13 | noone is stopping you from importing the acme utilities in python directly and using them |
| 08:07.31 | apollo13 | a change in the python version is really ___major__ then |
| 08:07.31 | choice | True |
| 08:07.46 | choice | apollo13: But you said it did not *change*. It just *added* python3. |
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| 08:07.59 | apollo13 | choice: no certbot did change to use python3 |
| 08:08.15 | jelly | choice: addition of components can make existing components change behaviour sometimes |
| 08:08.23 | choice | jelly: Yeah, could be. |
| 08:08.27 | apollo13 | and I never said it just added, we asked like 10 times to show the full output of the full-upgrade which you still haven't done⦠|
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| 08:08.52 | choice | Well, I think I got a good grasp on the situation now. |
| 08:09.02 | choice | I also removed the obsolete dependencies now. |
| 08:09.08 | choice | All tests are still green. |
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| 08:10.34 | choice | Thank you guys! |
| 08:11.46 | apollo13 | ok, most of the updates seemed to be in unstable, so you probably missed the packages since december |
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| 08:14.24 | choice | That could be. |
| 08:14.31 | choice | Cu! Thanks again! |
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| 08:30.35 | ntz | hello |
| 08:31.41 | ntz | easy question ... I was doing something with dd with bs=1 and if= was located on NFSv3 .. I've found, that iflag=direct specifically doesn't like nfs and spoils performance significantly ... |
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| 08:31.58 | ntz | what is please proper iflag=direct alternative for NFSv3 ? |
| 08:32.09 | ntz | **bs=1M |
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| 08:42.38 | vlt | ntz: If itâs such an easy question why do you ask it in the first place? |
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| 08:47.21 | ntz | vlt: don't let it hurt you |
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| 08:54.28 | vlt | ntz: ;) |
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| 08:58.21 | [sr] | howdy, the new debian way for mysql conf files are a bit confusion for me, where should i put the "bind-address = 127.0.0.1" now? |
| 08:58.49 | [sr] | i have it in /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/mysqld.cnf in [mysqld] section it toke no action |
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| 09:12.52 | ntz | solved ... best performance with default settings is bs=4M iflag=direct,fullblock |
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| 09:14.53 | jelly | [sr]: uh, doesn't Debian's setup listen on localhost only by default? |
| 09:15.21 | jelly | /etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf:bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:15.21 | [sr] | jelly: well it should, but for some reason is listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 09:15.31 | jelly | ^ unchanged file |
| 09:15.50 | [sr] | well that folder is empty on me ;) |
| 09:16.02 | [sr] | but i manually inserted it on my.cnf and works |
| 09:16.08 | jelly | [sr]: which debian release is this |
| 09:16.17 | [sr] | sid, mysql 5.7.25 |
| 09:16.22 | [sr] | fresh install |
| 09:16.31 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 09:16.31 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:16.50 | jelly | hope you don't use sid for production purposes |
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| 09:17.10 | [sr] | i do... internally :P |
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| 09:17.48 | SynrG | as long as your user base is forgiving about the possibility of data loss & multiple day downtime. no problem. :) |
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| 09:18.41 | SynrG | (and/or you spend long overtime hours unborking the system to recover) |
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| 09:19.54 | SynrG | there's such a thing as becoming too complacent in depending on the fact this has never happened to you in the past. |
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| 09:20.38 | SynrG | a better way is to run a stable system plus either official backports or else self-backported packages / built from source for anything stable doesn't have. |
| 09:20.42 | rephlexie | [sr], loopback missing on interface? |
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| 09:21.27 | SynrG | or else just be patient and use stable unmodified is the least hassle. |
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| 10:35.41 | domovoy | hi |
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| 11:17.03 | jelly | Greyztar: no, but it indirectly uses some |
| 11:17.26 | Greyztar | jelly: yes i thought so too thank you for answwering |
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| 11:27.55 | pie_ | hi folks, I'm trying to build this deb: https://github.com/KaiHa/nix-debian https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/nix_2.2.1-3.html |
| 11:28.50 | pie_ | the repo says to use git-buildpackage, and I managed to use that with "sudo cowbuilder --new" and "gbp buildpackage --git-pbuilder" |
| 11:29.12 | pie_ | but the resulting .deb I get wants a newer libstdc++ versions than my system can give me and IDK what to do about that |
| 11:29.31 | pie_ | I'm on debian 9.8 and it wants libstdc++ >7 where I only have 6.3.0 |
| 11:29.56 | jelly | pie_: where did you build it? |
| 11:30.53 | pie_ | jelly, on the system i want it on |
| 11:31.02 | pie_ | I just used the commands I said |
| 11:32.09 | jelly | I suspect cowbuilder defaulted to creating a sid environment, you probably should have used --distribution ... for pbuilder / cowbuilder options |
| 11:32.41 | pie_ | jelly, that sounds reasonable thanks |
| 11:33.17 | pie_ | what should I pass --distruibution to get my current env? |
| 11:33.47 | jelly | pie_: the debian release you're building for. Debian 9 is stretch, Testing (to become Debian 10) is buster |
| 11:33.56 | pie_ | ok thanks |
| 11:33.58 | jelly | run "lsb_release -sc" |
| 11:34.15 | pie_ | here goes nothing \o/ |
| 11:34.19 | jelly | ,v nix |
| 11:34.20 | judd | No package named 'nix' was found in amd64. |
| 11:34.24 | pie_ | lsb_release didnt work when i tried it for somereason |
| 11:34.28 | pie_ | nix is still in NEW |
| 11:34.30 | jelly | ah |
| 11:34.45 | tarzeau | i'm looking forward for nix to add support for it in |
| 11:35.27 | tarzeau | https://github.com/alexmyczko/autoexec.bat/blob/master/sw |
| 11:35.38 | jelly | since we're in freeze, fixing bugs for packages to go into buster probably has priority over completely new sources |
| 11:35.42 | jelly | !slushy |
| 11:35.42 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 11:37.24 | pie_ | well this is awkward? https://bpaste.net/show/f06f127571aa |
| 11:38.05 | pie_ | for sudo cowbuilder create --distribution stretch |
| 11:38.28 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 11:38.54 | pie_ | D: |
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| 11:42.58 | pie_ | clearing the pbuilder cache seems to have fixed that.. |
| 11:45.20 | pie_ | woo different failure now in the git-buildpackage; https://bpaste.net/show/69da0796ad51 |
| 11:45.30 | pie_ | some kind of unsatisfiable dependency |
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| 11:46.49 | jelly | that can happen when you're trying to build a new package on stable |
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| 11:47.20 | jelly | ,whatprovides libbrotli-dev |
| 11:47.30 | judd | No packages provide 'libbrotli-dev' in stretch/amd64. |
| 11:48.03 | jelly | pie_: you'll have to somehow add stretch-backports to sources.list to get correct debhelper version |
| 11:48.28 | pie_ | ok thanks...thats just adding the backports thing to the sources.list right? |
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| 11:48.50 | pie_ | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index2h2 |
| 11:51.18 | jelly | yes |
| 11:51.57 | pie_ | jelly, ok i did that and it works for the system but not for git-buildpackage |
| 11:52.03 | pie_ | do i need to rerun cowbuilder again? |
| 11:52.09 | pie_ | also gotta switch to mobile brb |
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| 11:52.35 | jelly | I... have no idea what cowbuilder does |
| 11:54.00 | jelly | behind the curtain |
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| 12:47.46 | kale | hi, i am trying to set up autofs using cifs against domain share. if i mount with "mount -t cifs -o domain=d,user=u,password=p //1.2.3.4/test /mnt/autofs/", then it does get mounted, but when i use autofs, it does not show the files |
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| 12:55.11 | rypervenche | kale: How are you verifying that it does not show the files? Are you actually cd'ing into the /mnt/autofs directory and doing an ls there? |
| 12:55.23 | nullbyte_ | how can i increse more space for /tmp folder? |
| 12:55.32 | nullbyte_ | to incrase just /tmp folder |
| 12:56.14 | kale | rypervenche: ls -l /mnt/shares/ |
| 12:56.29 | rypervenche | nullbyte_: How you do that is going to depend on how you have your partitions set up. We would need to know more information about how your /tmp currently looks. Can you pastebin the output of: df -hT |
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| 12:58.09 | rypervenche | kale: I'm seeing a discrepancy there. /mnt/shares vs /mnt/autofs |
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| 12:59.19 | kale | sorry, my bad, "ls -l /mnt/autofs/" including trailing slash |
| 13:01.31 | rypervenche | kale: Can you pastebin the output of /etc/autofs/auto.master and any relevant files that it calls please? |
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| 13:07.46 | dym | Hey all! Im trying to generate a situation where only the connection of certain hosts to ssh is allowed via key based authentication. This doesnt seem to work and offer third hosts a password based auth: https://pastebin.com/raw/6tbp4X7t - why is that and how do i correct it? |
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| 13:10.11 | rypervenche | dym: Try removing "PubkeyAuthentication" from the Match. |
| 13:13.06 | petn-randall | dym: Do you want to allow password based authentication for others? Unless it's critical I'd just disable password auth altogether. |
| 13:13.52 | dym | petn-randall: the main thing is to: 1.Disable password access altogether. 2.To only permit certain hosts to authentify via key based auth. every other connection should be rejected instantly. |
| 13:14.33 | dym | using PermitRootLogin prohibit-password seems to be working for the match address portion. |
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| 13:23.22 | petn-randall | dym: Can you share the `ssh -v <user>@<host>` output with us on https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 13:26.42 | dym | petn-randall: of what excatly? a host that matches or one that does not? |
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| 13:27.15 | petn-randall | dym: both is good. |
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| 13:29.44 | rek | hi everyone it's the first time i get the message packet filtered while trying to ping an external host... i managed to connect my 3g dongle using wvdial and i'm using the ppp0 interface |
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| 13:32.59 | dym | petn-randall: mhh, one more thing. This is permitting root access - what if i wanted to restrict access to a user to a host and key based auth? |
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| 13:42.35 | Ingvix | what kind of typing mode did I enable and with what key combination if my text is underlined until I press space or some other way unfocus from the word? |
| 13:42.45 | Ingvix | and how do I disable it |
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| 13:43.37 | annadane | Ingvix, in what? your system generally? irc client? web browser? |
| 13:45.00 | Ingvix | annadane, it seems to be activated program specificly but activates in any program. I've accidently done it a few times. This time my browser. Before usually my terminal |
| 13:45.40 | annadane | Ingvix, and what DE/WM is this |
| 13:45.46 | Ingvix | i3 |
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| 13:48.04 | Ingvix | sort of resembles of the word suggestion thing on mobile phones |
| 13:48.14 | Ingvix | but obviously there's no suggestions |
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| 13:52.59 | Ingvix | ah, it seems to be activated with shift+space |
| 13:53.06 | cybercrypto | hi there |
| 13:53.37 | cybercrypto | I am wondering if someone can point me to the rigth documentation. I want vmware hostOS-linux to boot a guestOS-linux-encrypted-real-disk |
| 13:54.27 | petn-randall | cybercrypto: How does this differ from any other setup? |
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| 13:54.55 | petn-randall | cybercrypto: How is the disk encrypted? Do you want the host or the guest to decrypt the container? |
| 13:56.19 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: The host-OS is debian (running vmware or virtualbox, whatever works) The guest-OS is debian as well. The gust OS is installed in a separate hard disk, in the same workstation |
| 13:56.40 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: I want host-os to decrypt gust-os hard disk and boot it. |
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| 13:59.59 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: the workstation is normally booting the hard disk encrypted. I mean.. it is a dual boot using grub (disk1 = debian stable encrypted lvm over luks... disk2 = debian test encrypted lvm over luks) |
| 14:00.58 | cybercrypto | I want to boot disk1 normally amd after that... i would like to use a hypervisor to boot the disk2 as a guest-OS |
| 14:01.11 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: not sure if my explanation is clear enougth |
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| 14:02.48 | petn-randall | cybercrypto: Why not just decrypt in the guest? I doubt it will work otherwise as you can't pass the opened LUKS container without a lot of other things breaking. |
| 14:03.57 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: assuming disk2 was not encrypted... i could vmware-disk2-raw and boot it. I have done it and it works ok. the problem it is that disk2 is encrypted (must be) |
| 14:04.00 | petn-randall | cybercrypto: Personally, I'd go with libvirt/qemu, as it's support is a lot better than vmware (not supported by Debian) and Virtualbox (only really works with non-free addons). |
| 14:04.18 | petn-randall | s/it's/its/ |
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| 14:04.50 | Iarfen | hi! |
| 14:04.53 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: I am fine with qemu (i can go with any option that migth work |
| 14:04.54 | petn-randall | cybercrypto: I don't understand how disk2 being decrypted is a problem. |
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| 14:05.02 | petn-randall | *encrypted |
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| 14:05.11 | r3m1 | hello |
| 14:05.34 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: good... let me think a bit... i did not get your suggestion |
| 14:05.54 | Iarfen | what's the easier way to install debian without errors? |
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| 14:06.31 | petn-randall | cybercrypto: To boot, you need more than the opened LUKS container: You need grub to actually boot the system. And there's no sane way to pass through the whole disk (containing grub) and the opened LUKS container (which grub would simply ignore) at the same time. |
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| 14:06.51 | petn-randall | Iarfen: You haven't listed any options yet. |
| 14:07.07 | petn-randall | Iarfen: All supported installation methods should work without errors. |
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| 14:07.39 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: let`s say i boot disk1 properly... than I manually on host-os (before anything else) i decrypt disk2 using cli. later i can setup the guest-os to boot, since disks are already `luks-opened` |
| 14:07.52 | cybercrypto | petn-randall: something like that? |
| 14:08.23 | Iarfen | petn-randall: I'm receiving errors equally |
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| 14:09.19 | bobtheviking | hi |
| 14:09.50 | bobtheviking | I have a network interface, eth0 which I'm configuring manually with $ sudo ip ad add ... |
| 14:10.07 | bobtheviking | it accepts my ip address, but then after some say 1-2 minutes, the config is gone |
| 14:10.13 | bobtheviking | like it was reset or something |
| 14:10.14 | greycat | dhcp still running? |
| 14:10.28 | bobtheviking | yeah, but there are no dhcp signals on it |
| 14:10.47 | greycat | perhaps you want to stop the dhcp client daemon so it won't keep updating the interface |
| 14:10.48 | bobtheviking | and even if there were, my other debian box retains any additional ip I add to the interface |
| 14:10.58 | bobtheviking | greycat, yeah its wort a try |
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| 14:11.18 | bobtheviking | I still kinda need that client, |
| 14:12.06 | greycat | ... |
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| 14:12.57 | greycat | If the goal is "I want my interface to have one address configured by DHCP and several additional addresses configured statically" then it's beyond me. |
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| 14:14.46 | bobtheviking | greycat, lol yeah kinda weird I know |
| 14:14.57 | bobtheviking | the switch Im working with has a number of subnets |
| 14:15.10 | bobtheviking | but the new interfaces support this and ip... first time I see a problem |
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| 14:16.31 | petn-randall | Iarfen: Can you provide context and actual errors? Otherwise we can't debug the issue. |
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| 14:17.06 | Iarfen | petn-randall: It's an Asus notebook, model X441U |
| 14:17.52 | petn-randall | bobtheviking: If the device was configured to use DHCP before, the dhclient will still be running. ifupdown is a bit tricky, if you don't `ifdown <device>` before changing the configuration the old config will still be up. |
| 14:18.03 | r3m1 | using package manager such as debian apt when there are some updates in config files, it warns the user and interactively asks to keep old, replace, see differences between the existing and updated config |
| 14:18.20 | r3m1 | is this based in some existing high level command that can be reused ? |
| 14:18.35 | annadane | it's configured by using debconf AFAIK |
| 14:18.36 | RoyK | if I have a raid-1 with sd{a,b} and lvm on top, can grub boot from that? No partitions involved |
| 14:18.40 | petn-randall | r3m1: It's part of debconf. You can use `dpkg-reconfigure <package>` to do it again. |
| 14:19.02 | petn-randall | RoyK: Pretty sure grub won't work on that. |
| 14:19.16 | petn-randall | (and if it does, it'll break your raid1) |
| 14:20.04 | bobtheviking | petn-randall, thanks |
| 14:20.23 | bobtheviking | its a bit funny, I chose some other statip ips to add than before |
| 14:20.29 | bobtheviking | and now its seems to stick |
| 14:20.38 | bobtheviking | petn-randall, I see nothing in dmesg |
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| 14:21.13 | petn-randall | bobtheviking: I don't think any network changes go to dmesg. |
| 14:24.06 | bobtheviking | petn-randall, ok seem more like syslog |
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| 14:37.08 | petn-randall | Iarfen: ... and you're getting what errors? |
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| 14:42.03 | wwilliam | can i add an external dist list to /etc/aliases? |
| 14:42.20 | uio | Hello, I feel (but have no proof) like my computer is slowing down over the past while - when I logout there are a few seconds of a black screen, and applications take longer to launch. Is there anything I can do to speed things up again? |
| 14:42.23 | wwilliam | like just added and then call it in my scripts |
| 14:42.27 | wwilliam | will that work |
| 14:42.38 | greycat | an alias can expand to any number of addresses, local or remote |
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| 14:43.47 | petn-randall | uio: Hard to say without any hint to why things are running more slowly. That doesn't happen normally. |
| 14:43.54 | petn-randall | (and we're not Windows) |
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| 14:48.05 | jhutchins_wk | uio: You could use something like top to see what's taking up resources. |
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| 14:54.34 | uio | jhutchins_wk, petn-randall Okay. Thanks. Nothing showing up in top... I thought it might be due to filing up disk-space |
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| 14:54.58 | jhutchins_wk | uio: What percentage is used currently? |
| 14:55.48 | uio | jhutchins_wk, About half : 44Gb/89Gb |
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| 14:56.37 | jhutchins_wk | uio: Not a factor then. If you go over about 90% you might see some effects. |
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| 14:57.14 | pie_ | jelly, well, that didnt quite work out, im back |
| 14:59.03 | jelly | hides |
| 15:00.12 | pie_ | ,p |
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| 15:01.19 | uio | jhutchins_wk, Okay, thanks. |
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| 15:10.09 | DammitJim | how can I find out blocked processes? |
| 15:10.20 | DammitJim | I'm looking at top and I don't see anything with a D in the S column |
| 15:10.51 | greycat | D means it's currently inside a kernel syscall. That is normally a very short-lived state. |
| 15:11.18 | DammitJim | oh |
| 15:11.21 | DammitJim | any other suggestions? |
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| 15:13.41 | DammitJim | is it normal for md0_raid1 to be running for a long time? |
| 15:13.52 | DammitJim | I"m afraid I might have a problem with the raid config on this server |
| 15:13.53 | DammitJim | *sigh* |
| 15:14.00 | DammitJim | and maybe that's one of the processes that is blocking |
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| 15:17.00 | jelly | DammitJim: that sounds like a kernel thread (designated to manage a specific md array), not a process |
| 15:17.20 | jelly | as such it's supposed to run as long as the md raid is started |
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| 15:18.05 | jelly | DammitJim: what is actually wrong? |
| 15:18.25 | mason | DammitJim: Is it doing a rebuild? |
| 15:18.38 | mason | DammitJim: Look at /proc/mdstat |
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| 15:24.18 | DammitJim | linuxsupport@nsdbm301p:~$ cat /proc/mdstat |
| 15:24.18 | DammitJim | Personalities : [raid1] [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid10] |
| 15:24.18 | DammitJim | md0 : active raid1 sdc1[1] sdb1[0] |
| 15:24.18 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.18 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.58 | DammitJim | man, I need to think before doing stuff on here... sorry |
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| 15:27.22 | jelly | you probably want to think when doing stuff, anywhere, not just in here! |
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| 15:27.29 | mason | DammitJim: So, it's not resyncing. If nothing else turns up, maybe check smartctl and see if the drives are happy. |
| 15:27.54 | DammitJim | I know jelly, I know |
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| 15:32.52 | DammitJim | ugh mason, this is a VM, so smartctl doesn't know |
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| 15:35.01 | mason | Oh, hm. Something interesting then... |
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| 15:52.35 | Iarfen | how I can change the maximum file size allowed for an usb pendrive? |
| 15:54.45 | rafalcpp | how to switch VT1 to use normal VGA mode, not framebuffer? for performance |
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| 15:56.26 | petn-randall | Iarfen: People will be reluctant to answer since you seem to ignore responses. |
| 15:57.00 | petn-randall | Iarfen: What error do you get, how large is the file, and what filesystem are you using? |
| 15:57.15 | Iarfen | petn-randall: it has 4.6 GB of size |
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| 15:57.28 | Iarfen | I get an error that says that the file is too big |
| 15:57.36 | Iarfen | I'm using a FAT32 filesystem |
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| 15:58.24 | petn-randall | Iarfen: FAT32 only supports up to 2 GB. You'll need to use a different filesystem, or chunk the file. |
| 15:58.34 | DammitJim | fat32 has a max file size of 4GB, I thought |
| 15:58.49 | Iarfen | petn-randall: which filesystem I can use that will work? |
| 15:58.50 | greycat | both of those are less than 4.6G :) |
| 15:58.57 | DammitJim | +1 greycat |
| 15:59.06 | greycat | Iarfen: do you need to share the device with Windows systems, or only Debian? |
| 15:59.07 | DammitJim | ext4 :D |
| 15:59.23 | petn-randall | Only with LFS, otherwise it's 2 GB. |
| 15:59.58 | Iarfen | greycat: with windows systems too |
| 16:00.05 | greycat | then I guess you have to use NTFS |
| 16:00.16 | Iarfen | ok, there's no file size limit there? |
| 16:00.19 | greycat | ,info ntfs-3g |
| 16:00.20 | judd | Package ntfs-3g (otherosfs, optional) in stretch/amd64: read/write NTFS driver for FUSE. Version: 1:2016.2.22AR.1+dfsg-1; Size: 387.6k; Installed: 1340k; Homepage: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-advanced/ |
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| 16:01.33 | petn-randall | Iarfen: Is this related to your installation problems? |
| 16:01.43 | nullbyte_ | who knows |
| 16:01.52 | Iarfen | petn-randall: yes, I need a file that sizes 4.6 GB |
| 16:01.58 | petn-randall | Iarfen: Why? |
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| 16:03.39 | petn-randall | I'm asking because no installation method requires this. |
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| 16:04.16 | Iarfen | petn-randall: windows 10 requires it |
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| 16:06.05 | jelly | Iarfen: do you have a working windows machine? Best reformat the drive to ntfs under windows. |
| 16:07.41 | petn-randall | Iarfen: IIRC the Windows 10 iso needs to be written onto the naked disk, not any filesystem. |
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| 16:08.22 | jelly | did they state what their actual goal was? |
| 16:09.11 | petn-randall | 16:05 < Iarfen > what's the easier way to install debian without errors? 16:08 < Iarfen > petn-randall: I'm receiving errors equally |
| 16:09.44 | greycat | Oh, he's trying to INSTALL DEBIAN? Not sneakernet movies between Debian and Windows? |
| 16:10.28 | cryptodan | use woeusb to create a windows installation disk in linux |
| 16:10.39 | Iarfen | I'm installing both. I've debian already inside this computer, but inside others the installation if failing. Also, I need to install windows 10 inside one notebook |
| 16:10.51 | greycat | Writing an installation image to a USB device overwrites ANY file system and ANY files on the device. The resulting USB device will only be a Debian installer until you reformat it (create a new file system, in Unix parlance). |
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| 16:15.28 | SynrG | Iarfen: i think if you have debian and then are trying to install windows, and think that by writing the iso onto a filesystem on the USB media, you're off on the wrong track (and petn-randall gave some advice about that above that seems right) |
| 16:16.03 | SynrG | s/think that/think that you can do that/ |
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| 16:17.43 | SynrG | woeusb is new to me. interesting. |
| 16:18.44 | SynrG | files in brain for future reference |
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| 16:20.22 | SynrG | (aka dpkgbot :) |
| 16:20.47 | jelly | winusb worked for me a couple years ago, woeusb is its fork |
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| 16:25.19 | subopt | I don't have sudo at work, and IT is very slow to install Linux apps/libs i request (sometimes they just won't, with no explanation). Can dpkg be repurposed to build/install my own stuff under ~/myLocalStuff/ ? Doing it all via config/make/make install is getting really tedious, and dependency hellish. |
| 16:25.23 | yokowka | heavenO everysoul!!!! which browser beter install in debian? |
| 16:25.36 | annadane | !better |
| 16:25.36 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 16:26.11 | annadane | for graphical browsers you basically have two choices, firefox and chromium, but you're also not restricted to the package manager and can just download a browser to your home directory, or something |
| 16:26.27 | yokowka | i mean not firefoxESR |
| 16:26.37 | yokowka | what ia ESR? |
| 16:26.43 | annadane | extended support release |
| 16:27.17 | yokowka | extend support release is perfect well? |
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| 16:27.33 | annadane | for most users, probably |
| 16:27.45 | yokowka | so fo you? |
| 16:27.52 | annadane | i have firefox 66 just downloaded to my home and it updates itself |
| 16:28.01 | annadane | (ESR is 60) |
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| 16:28.13 | yokowka | i hear You |
| 16:28.20 | annadane | really depends what you want, the average user is probably ok with ESR |
| 16:29.38 | yokowka | and for lowerage? |
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| 16:29.50 | annadane | not sure what you mean |
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| 16:30.11 | yokowka | blesing you with heaven |
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| 16:30.59 | kanhszx | is the any way to know where the system had its memory amount changed ? |
| 16:32.03 | mutante | kanhszx: some servers, like Dell, have alerts for "chassis intrusion". so you can tell from logs when the hardware has been opened. if that's what you mean |
| 16:32.26 | mutante | via the DRAC |
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| 16:33.51 | annadane | it was genuinely frustrating for a while because the new ESR - 60 as opposed to 52 - was the first firefox in debian to use mozilla's quantum technology thing which sped things up considerably and also a bunch of extensions stopped working in this new paradaigm |
| 16:34.07 | annadane | now... you'll get new features with newer browsers but things are a bit less annoying |
| 16:34.42 | annadane | for my own use yes i don't want to use ESR |
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| 16:42.39 | pie_ | does anyone know how to get sources.list to work with git-buildpackage/cowbuilder/pbuild? |
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| 16:50.21 | ChmEarl | pie_, in .pbuilderrc |
| 16:50.56 | pie_ | so I cant just pass some clie flags? :/ |
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| 16:51.19 | pie_ | i figured out that --git-pbuilder-options exists for passing options to pbuilder afaict |
| 16:51.24 | ChmEarl | pie_, yes, its equivalent |
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| 16:51.56 | pie_ | I tried some googling and ended up with --git-pbuilder-options='--othermirror "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main"' but that doesnt seem to fix my problem |
| 16:52.05 | pie_ | im not sure if that actually does what i want either |
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| 16:52.41 | ChmEarl | pie_, OTHERMIRROR= |
| 16:52.49 | pie_ | this is my failure, line 30 https://bpaste.net/show/8919ac5a0de5 |
| 16:53.38 | pie_ | ChmEarl, as an env var? still the same problem; OTHERMIRROR="deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main" gbp buildpackage --git-pbuilder |
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| 17:00.42 | pie_ | oh i think i might have gotten it to work by passing that var to the initial cowbuilder |
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| 17:03.33 | pie_ | ChmEarl, thanks |
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| 17:57.35 | jak2000 | hi all i added 1 user to samba (system and samba)... when i access the server \\myserver ask me a user and password (i typed user and password added but again ask me the user / password.... how to fix it? |
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| 18:10.26 | SynrG | jak2000: start off by checking logs. unfortunately, the process for me for figuring out samba issues tends to quickly run into issues with me knowing just enough about windows networking to be dangerous :p |
| 18:14.29 | jhutchins_wk | jak2000: How are you accessing the server? Are you using the smbclient or a GUI file browser? |
| 18:15.36 | jak2000 | GUI windows Client |
| 18:15.56 | jhutchins_wk | jak2000: W10? |
| 18:16.13 | jak2000 | 8 |
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| 18:17.19 | jhutchins_wk | jak2000: I'd look at the logs on the samba server, and consider increasing the logging level. You'll want to reduce it once you've resolved the issue because detailed logging has a big performance impact. |
| 18:17.43 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 18:18.23 | jhutchins_wk | jak2000: I know that there are changes starting with W7 that have to be configured differntly than for earlier systems, but my knowledge drops off steeply after Windows NT. |
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| 18:18.52 | jhutchins_wk | XP was the last version I knew what I was doing on. |
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| 18:26.45 | jak2000 | jhutchins: https://paste.debian.net/1077167/ |
| 18:26.47 | jak2000 | can you see please |
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| 18:30.38 | jhutchins_wk | That might be testparm. I don't have a samba system I can check on. |
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| 18:36.43 | jak2000 | i added this line in global: guest ok = Yes |
| 18:36.51 | jak2000 | and i can see on my windows.. |
| 18:36.58 | jak2000 | without user/pass |
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| 18:56.49 | clairedesu | Does anyone here use thinkpad_acpi? |
| 18:57.20 | clairedesu | When I set the "power management" settings on debian (using the standard MATE interface), it doesn't seem to actually use the AC power settings when I have my laptop in the dock |
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| 19:10.44 | KNERD | WOW...this is NOT cool. WHen I remove firsfox-esr it installs chromium. Then when I remove chromium is installs firsfox-esr. Seriosuly. wtf? |
| 19:11.01 | greycat | You have something installed which depends on "a web browser". |
| 19:11.10 | greycat | Most likely a piece of a desktop environment. |
| 19:11.21 | greycat | If chromium is currently installed, do "aptitude why chromium" to see what it is. |
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| 19:12.16 | KNERD | there are tons of other browers installed |
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| 19:12.27 | KNERD | I don't want either of those I am wantign to remove |
| 19:12.35 | SynrG | KNERD: if you don't like metapackages, don't use them |
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| 19:12.39 | greycat | If chromium is currently installed, do "aptitude why chromium" to see what it is. |
| 19:12.54 | SynrG | metapackages save most users time by having a bunch of stuff installed all at once without the user needing to choose |
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| 19:13.19 | vbjh | Hi |
| 19:13.43 | KNERD | cinnamon-desktop-environment Depends firefox-esr | firefox | chromium | iceweasel | gnome-www-browser |
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| 19:14.34 | SynrG | KNERD: gnome-www-browser is a virtual package which chromium "Provides" |
| 19:14.40 | greycat | If you want to keep "cinnamon-desktop-environment" you will need to "fool" it by creating a package that provides "gnome-www-browser" and install that dummy package. |
| 19:14.50 | greycat | equivs is used for that |
| 19:15.03 | SynrG | yep. though equivs can be horribly abused. so read the doco and don't |
| 19:15.05 | greycat | Alternatively, you could just remove "cinnamon-desktop-environment". |
| 19:15.13 | SynrG | that too |
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| 19:15.33 | dvvvvv | Test |
| 19:16.07 | KNERD | It seems it will accept Epiphany browser..let me see that |
| 19:16.12 | SynrG | if it were me, i'd just drop the cinnamon-desktop-environment metapackage and set the things it depends on that i actually want to manually installed |
| 19:16.36 | SynrG | then you won't be wrestling with it trying to satisfy its arbitrary requirements |
| 19:17.18 | jhutchins_wk | Or you could just avoid using those programs. Storage is cheap. |
| 19:17.37 | SynrG | menus can be edited if you don't like seeing them in menus |
| 19:17.48 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache show epiphany-browser | grep -i provides |
| 19:17.48 | greycat | Provides: gnome-www-browser, www-browser |
| 19:17.53 | KNERD | SynrG: It has accepted the Epiphany brower which is based on WebKit? Thanks it worked out |
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| 19:18.08 | SynrG | happy endings. gotta love 'em |
| 19:18.23 | SynrG | gets out a hankie |
| 19:18.35 | KNERD | or a special happy ending |
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| 19:19.39 | KNERD | After Mozilla dropped Dissenter from their extensions store for some bogus reason, it had to go |
| 19:20.15 | nojake | what browser are you using now? |
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| 19:20.52 | KNERD | Waterfox, which ia based on the older Mozilla engine |
| 19:21.07 | KNERD | Gecko? |
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| 19:21.35 | SynrG | i guess cinnamon, being gnomish, really wants a gnomish browser to do all the gnomey things with it. if you dislike lack of choices that much, though, i wonder why you accept the compromise that is cinnamon |
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| 19:22.00 | nojake | hm. ok. |
| 19:22.01 | SynrG | (not that i'd avoid cinnamon myself ... i rather prefer it over gnome3) |
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| 19:22.28 | SynrG | but sorry, OT. probably best kept to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:22.32 | KNERD | I guess I can look at some others. It just has the traditional desktop GUI |
| 19:22.45 | KNERD | if you want to suggest alteratives, I am all ears |
| 19:23.00 | SynrG | xfce + whisker menu is nice |
| 19:23.10 | dvvvvv | Can i install Maxthon and UCweb in debian? |
| 19:23.15 | KNERD | I don't want Chromium Browser either because it is allowing Google to set web standards |
| 19:23.16 | SynrG | the default menu is horrible. whisker menu is more like the cinnamon experience |
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| 19:23.55 | KNERD | Okay, I will give Whister a try. thanks |
| 19:23.58 | SynrG | combo search / recent thingy |
| 19:24.13 | SynrG | saves you having to navigate endlessly through nested submenus |
| 19:24.47 | __m4ch1n3__ | KNERD, good man, keep it up |
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| 19:25.58 | nojake | when i want to use a specific dns server and not configure it on my router can i just set it up in the interfaces? or first: how can i check information on how addresses are resolved now. im a bit confused as the network manager seems to do its own thing ignoring the config in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:26.24 | __m4ch1n3__ | nojake, do you get ip over dhcp? |
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| 19:27.46 | nojake | well. i have setup a static ip and one with dhcp.. in the network manager. |
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| 19:28.08 | nojake | i can switch. but how would i check? |
| 19:28.39 | nojake | i just need input on some cli commands. im a linux noobie. |
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| 19:29.08 | __m4ch1n3__ | default dhclient settings will overide /etc/resolve.conf but the option can be commented out of, or you can specify nameserver dhclient will set in in resolve.conf |
| 19:29.24 | greycat | !override dns |
| 19:29.24 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
| 19:29.54 | __m4ch1n3__ | thrugh /etc/dhclient/dhclient.conf |
| 19:29.59 | nojake | ah .. thx. |
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| 19:30.09 | slacker_nl | hmm, I seem to have libapt-pkg5.0 and libapt-pkg4.12, I assume I can wipe the latter? |
| 19:30.13 | nojake | ok. and on the dns resolving thing? |
| 19:30.27 | nojake | does dhcp influence it? |
| 19:30.28 | __m4ch1n3__ | */etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 19:30.42 | nojake | as you asked |
| 19:30.52 | nojake | if i use dhcp |
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| 19:31.30 | nojake | so i can just specify a nameserver in resolv.conf and it will ignore the router dns. right? |
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| 19:32.14 | nojake | no need to mess with NAT and stuff. |
| 19:32.59 | nojake | sorry to bother you with trivialities.. and thanks for all help i can get. |
| 19:33.34 | jhutchins_wk | : http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php |
| 19:33.37 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can add something like "prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8" |
| 19:33.48 | jhutchins_wk | nojake: ^ |
| 19:33.52 | __m4ch1n3__ | to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 19:34.08 | diogenes_ | or make nm use dnsmasq |
| 19:34.24 | greycat | Or read the lovely wiki page. |
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| 19:34.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | or in the line that starts with "request" remove domain-name-servers |
| 19:34.30 | nojake | its quite a shame .. 80% of the context "ip" (that tool) handles i never even heard about. |
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| 19:34.46 | greycat | __m4ch1n3__: does not always work, as I found out the hard way. |
| 19:34.52 | nojake | thanks |
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| 19:35.24 | nojake | it does not? |
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| 19:35.48 | nojake | ok. well. can i run a command to just get the actually used setting? |
| 19:35.55 | nojake | get information* |
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| 19:36.09 | __m4ch1n3__ | dhclient overrides /etc/resolve.conf |
| 19:36.25 | __m4ch1n3__ | so current setting is content of the fuile |
| 19:36.26 | nojake | i mean not via some file which is eventually ignored |
| 19:36.42 | nojake | but i will check that dhclient thing |
| 19:36.49 | __m4ch1n3__ | its not ignoired its overwritten |
| 19:37.12 | nojake | or that. but can i somehow get the info? |
| 19:37.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | greycat, so what would be best pratice? writeprotrnction to resolve.conf? |
| 19:38.00 | nojake | hm? |
| 19:38.09 | greycat | __m4ch1n3__: read https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf and choose for yourself |
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| 19:40.54 | KNERD | Removal of both Firsfox-esr and Chromium working better than expected. Now Waterfox is now the default browser automatically |
| 19:41.13 | natnaum | I dont know if my answer is bs, cause i just joint, but did you consider that resolv.conf is edited by your networkmanager? |
| 19:41.45 | nojake | jhutchins_wk, thanks. could u eventually help me out with that specific thing though. a reference of all commands, each with zillions of options is just .. too much for a quick go. especially when it then turns out something is not ignored but overwritten :/ |
| 19:42.27 | nojake | ip something? would show me the dns server? |
| 19:42.29 | nojake | no? |
| 19:43.23 | nojake | natnaum, yeah. |
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| 19:43.34 | nojake | that is what i found out. :) |
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| 19:44.49 | nojake | diogenes: how can i make it use dnsmasq? |
| 19:45.02 | nojake | ah. ok. |
| 19:47.18 | nojake | greycat: do i need to run dhclient at all? |
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| 19:48.36 | nojake | lol.. "stop dhclient from overwriting resolv.conf" .. and the solution.. gosh |
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| 19:48.54 | TheFuzzball | Hey, I'm running stretch on a Raspberry Pi and I can't seem to figure out how to renew a DHCP lease.. dhclient isn't installed |
| 19:50.31 | istrive | I'm trying to configure Transmission-daemon to work with a mounted NAS folder... It keeps showing "permission denied" and I tried all accounts that other applications are using successfully by Transmission |
| 19:50.38 | natnaum | you use raspbian? |
| 19:50.42 | natnaum | do* |
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| 19:51.09 | istrive | no, Debian Stretch |
| 19:51.55 | natnaum | are you root? what does he say with apropos dhc/apropos dhclient? |
| 19:52.43 | natnaum | What does echo $PATH give you? Do you find the man page from dhclient? Couldnt you just install it if it doesnt exist? |
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| 19:52.52 | nojake | option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer 8; <-- wtf does that mean. |
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| 19:53.21 | jmdawson95 | Has anyone here got experience porting Debian to other architectures? |
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| 19:55.22 | vlt | jmdawson95: Debian runs on a lot of architectures. I think it used to be even more in the past, so there might be a lot of experience around :D |
| 19:55.40 | jmdawson95 | I'm interested in porting it to c-sky |
| 19:56.10 | jmdawson95 | I've just built a busybox/buildroot style OS for the c-sky architecture and I'm interested in starting a debian port |
| 19:56.17 | jmdawson95 | but I can't do it alone! |
| 19:57.00 | jmdawson95 | It is however a very new architecture and just recently got into mainline |
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| 19:57.47 | nojake | nmcli dev show // awesome |
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| 19:58.24 | jhutchins_wk | nojake: Management of resolv.conf has evolved over recent years, along with Network Manager (and wicd) to accomodate systems that change networks a lot (laptops). Not everybody's familiar with the whole stack. |
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| 19:59.00 | jhutchins_wk | !tell nojake about networking |
| 19:59.03 | nojake | yeah. i am not familiar with any of it. |
| 19:59.28 | jhutchins_wk | That link from dpkg should be up-to-date. |
| 20:00.37 | jhutchins_wk | nojake: It seems to me like there's a tab in the settings of NetworkManager that allows you to set things like routes and nameservers. |
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| 20:00.51 | jhutchins_wk | (Don't have it here...) |
| 20:01.14 | nojake | wow. it worked. bad news for me though. i think. seems the dns settings in my router are ignored. |
| 20:02.17 | nojake | maybe im too quick in my conclusions. ;) |
| 20:02.56 | jhutchins_wk | nojake: If you are retting your dhcp address from the router, it will probably also set the DNS servers. If you're not running DHCP I'm not sure how it falls back for a static connection. |
| 20:04.08 | jmdawson95 | For info here is Linux running on a c-sky CPU |
| 20:04.09 | jmdawson95 | root@c-sky:~ # free -m total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 57 47 9 0 15 9 -/+ buffers/cache: 23 34 Swap: 0 0 0 root@c-sky:~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 C-SKY CPU model : ck610 product info[0] : 0x102816b2 hint (CPU funcs): 0x0000001c ccr (L1C & MMU): 0x0000007d ccr2 (L2C) |
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| 20:06.14 | nojake | jhutchins_wk, the point is. i can set my router as the dns server. and it works "fine". in my router i am able to set the dns server then. maybe the software on the router is somehow compromised. :/ .. i have setup the same dns-server in the NM now, and a site that previously didn't want to load now loads fine. |
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| 20:06.53 | nojake | but i don't know. maybe not. abenteurlich alles. |
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| 20:08.36 | jhutchins_wk | Sometimes "fixed" is good enough for now. |
| 20:08.49 | jhutchins_wk | Theory can come later. |
| 20:08.49 | nojake | that's right. thanks droog. :) |
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| 20:16.37 | tehnull | so I removed wine and lutris and all of their dependencies |
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| 20:17.00 | tehnull | but winedevice.exe is still running and if I kill it, it just restarts itself |
| 20:17.05 | tehnull | how do I get rid of it? |
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| 20:21.46 | dropkick500 | I just got here so I don't completely know what's going on but there might be a host process that keeps restarting it |
| 20:22.23 | tehnull | I got it sorted thanks tho |
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| 20:22.49 | tehnull | for some reason killing it using htop didn't work but killing the PID did |
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| 20:24.35 | dropkick500 | Oh, i didn't even know htop was a thing, i always just opened two terms, one with top and one with 'sudo kill [pid]' lol |
| 20:24.48 | dropkick500 | Np anyway, although i didn't help much |
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| 20:25.54 | pasiz | with htop you can change your kill signal |
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| 20:28.54 | tehnull | pasiz yah I tried sig 9 with htop with no luck but kill -9 pid worked |
| 20:32.25 | pasiz | strange, should be quite same mechanism. Maybe it's just hang few seconds and that creates feeling you killed it from second command. |
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| 20:47.20 | pasiz | ls |
| 20:47.24 | tristero | a process can ignore SIGTERM but not SIGKILL |
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| 20:47.53 | pasiz | tristero: exactly |
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| 20:56.22 | KNERD | Apple 1 was released today |
| 20:56.57 | mutante | ? wasn't that release in 1976? |
| 20:57.04 | KNERD | yeah |
| 20:57.11 | KNERD | let's do a Debian port for it |
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| 20:57.45 | dropkick500 | Yeah, April 11 1976 |
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| 21:57.08 | metbsd | how do i see available software in stable, testing and unstable |
| 21:57.16 | metbsd | their different version |
| 21:57.29 | metbsd | is there samba4 in stable |
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| 22:18.44 | coy0tea | metbsd you mean one package or all packages? |
| 22:19.02 | coy0tea | and hi metbsd :D |
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| 22:19.15 | metbsd | hi. i mean all package |
| 22:19.30 | coy0tea | how r u (wo)man? |
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| 22:19.33 | coy0tea | :] |
| 22:19.45 | coy0tea | all packages hmm do you want to use GUI synaptic? |
| 22:20.03 | coy0tea | actually i don't think synaptic ever shows unstable |
| 22:20.47 | juliett | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Debian 9.8 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz (1,89GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 1,9 GiB Total (1,3 GiB Free) Swap: 3,7 GiB Total (3,7 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 67,6 GB / 242,1 GB (174,5 GB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NV17M [GeForce4 440 Go 64M] @ Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS645DX Host & Memory & AGP Controller ⢠Uptime: 47m 56s |
| 22:21.51 | coy0tea | this is just for samba4 package metbsd ? |
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| 22:23.20 | metbsd | yes. i'm trying to install debian on my Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2370 @ 1.73GHz |
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| 22:25.20 | rant | metbsd: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:25.26 | metbsd | thanks got it |
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| 22:25.43 | bangstick | Is thing on? |
| 22:27.22 | ksk | bangstick: thing is on. |
| 22:27.28 | bangstick | thx |
| 22:29.22 | bangstick | Who ever wrote the instructions for registering should be shot |
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| 22:33.00 | at0m | bangstick: nice to see you, too. |
| 22:33.32 | BangStick | howdy |
| 22:33.39 | at0m | BangStick: it's meant as an age verification to weed out those under 5 |
| 22:33.44 | at0m | nn folks |
| 22:33.57 | BangStick | Weeds out old folks too |
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