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| 01:02.41 | BreccaBronding | is ubuntu based on debian testing or unstable? |
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| 01:13.26 | Bjornn | Ubuntu history overlaps with debian to some extent but is a seperate entity. |
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| 01:19.24 | BreccaBronding | I think the x86 architecture is a bit outdated, but it is nice to have a working "modern" stable stretch 9.8 version distro debian gnu/linux on my eeepc, 1000H. it uses intel atom and is an x86, 32-bit architecture. |
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| 02:40.00 | tya99 | so i'm having some issues with stretch/buster and firefox with invalid certs |
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| 02:40.20 | tya99 | CN GeoTrust RSA CA 2018, O DigiCert Inc isn't being detected as a valid certificate |
| 02:40.44 | tya99 | i think i'm missing some package |
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| 02:45.58 | tya99 | and i know the certificate is valid, as the site works on my archlinux machine |
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| 02:46.53 | jmcnaught | stretch and buster, you're not supposed to mix those. CA certificates are in the ca-certificates package |
| 02:47.04 | tya99 | jmcnaught: not mixing, two separate VMs |
| 02:47.13 | tya99 | the site in question is https://hostplus.com.au |
| 02:47.32 | tya99 | ca-certificates is already the newest version (20190110). |
| 02:48.05 | jmcnaught | the certificate for that site works for me in firefox-esr |
| 02:48.21 | tya99 | well it doesn't in firefox-esr on debian for me |
| 02:48.43 | tya99 | and i have ca-certificates installed (clean profile too) |
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| 02:49.09 | tya99 | in fact this vm really has very litle besides i3wm, firefox and lightdm |
| 02:49.26 | tya99 | im guessing that you're using gnome or something? |
| 02:49.32 | jmcnaught | yes |
| 02:49.34 | tya99 | it might be some dependency that i do not have |
| 02:49.58 | tya99 | which in that case really is a bug, because the firefox-esr package should depend on whatever that is |
| 02:51.32 | tya99 | i wonder what the package could be |
| 02:52.27 | jmcnaught | well firefox-esr doesn't depend on ca-certificates, so maybe it uses its own CA certificate store⦠did you try chromium or another browser? |
| 02:52.46 | tya99 | i have got ca-certificates installed though |
| 02:52.51 | tya99 | and yes it does work with chromium |
| 02:52.58 | tya99 | so for some reason firefox isn't using it? |
| 02:53.31 | tya99 | looking at Baltimore for example |
| 02:53.34 | jmcnaught | I think it would depend on the ca-certificates package if it needed it |
| 02:53.41 | tya99 | i can see that my Debian system only has Baltimore CyberTrust Root |
| 02:53.53 | tya99 | where as my archlinux machine has Cloudflare, Digicert, Microsoft IT TLS, |
| 02:53.58 | tya99 | so yeah |
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| 02:56.57 | tya99 | oh wait the ones that are on my archlinux machine are "Software Security Device" |
| 02:57.13 | tya99 | most of the ones in Debian only seem to be "Builtin Object Token" |
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| 03:01.56 | tya99 | and yeah, the site works in chromium |
| 03:02.30 | epsilon | The chain on that site is "DigiCert Global Root CA" -> "GeoTrust RSA CA 2018" -> "*.hostplus.com.au" |
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| 03:02.50 | jmcnaught | tya99: so it looks to me like firefox keeps its certificates in the user profile, there's a cert8.db and cert9.db in my firefox profile. This also makes sense because Firefox uses NSS for SSL/TLS which stores certs in a database format, while ca-certificates is a bunch of PEM files |
| 03:03.09 | tya99 | well i deleted the entire ~/.mozilla directory |
| 03:03.14 | tya99 | it should create it as it should |
| 03:03.16 | jmcnaught | I don't know where that cert8.db in the profile comes from initially though |
| 03:03.49 | tya99 | i have a cert9.db |
| 03:03.57 | tya99 | but no cert8db |
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| 03:04.24 | tya99 | on my archlinux machine i don't have a cert8.db either |
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| 03:06.23 | tya99 | https://bdm.cbs.sa.gov.au/bdmsaonline/dbweb.asp?dbcgm=1&prprc=oac |
| 03:06.34 | tya99 | incidentally that's another site which comes up with an invalid certificate |
| 03:07.30 | tya99 | which shouldn't. |
| 03:08.30 | tya99 | it's also a Digicert cert, except that the CN is Thawte RSA CA 2018 |
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| 03:12.57 | tya99 | https://paste.debian.net/1077428/ i wonder what i am missing :( |
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| 03:24.28 | tya99 | by the looks of it the gnome package installs firefox |
| 03:24.37 | tya99 | i will try installing gnome-core |
| 03:24.40 | tya99 | and see if that helps |
| 03:26.03 | tya99 | guess i could try installing epiphany-browser |
| 03:26.59 | OneManHateGroup | OMG... The linux gods have forsaken me... I cannot install software because I have "held" packages... I have read every post that mentioned an issues like this, but I am not able to purge android-androresolvd that is causing the conflict.... Attached are apt-get update and upgrade... plez halp |
| 03:26.59 | OneManHateGroup | https://pastebin.com/jXwX1dvh https://pastebin.com/rnGaEAU3 |
| 03:28.27 | tya99 | devuan is not debian you know |
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| 03:29.45 | OneManHateGroup | The ubuntu folks sent me over here... It seems very like the problem that all the Ubuntu folks solved 6 years ago |
| 03:30.00 | tya99 | well they were wrong, they should have sent you to #devuan :P |
| 03:30.09 | OneManHateGroup | aight |
| 03:30.11 | tya99 | because that problem looks specific to rc initscripts |
| 03:30.17 | tya99 | and debian uses systemd |
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| 03:30.51 | OneManHateGroup | thanks y'all |
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| 03:35.50 | tya99 | jmcnaught: those pages don't work in epiphany either |
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| 03:56.53 | LucMove | Hey. Can I use libc6_2.28-8 on Stretch? |
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| 04:01.00 | jmcnaught | LucMove: no, but you can in a chroot or a container |
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| 04:01.31 | LucMove | Why not? What would the conflict be? |
| 04:01.42 | themill | LucMove: please don't mix packages from sid with stretch |
| 04:02.37 | LucMove | please? What is wrong with that? I already do in fact. |
| 04:04.45 | themill | It's an unsupported mess. If it works, that's great. It's not intended to work and often won't. |
| 04:05.13 | themill | When people talk about dependency hell, they are doing this. If you don't mix releases, there is no such thing. |
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| 04:06.13 | LucMove | So you haven't really tried libc6 2.28 on Stretch because you're too afraid to do it. |
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| 04:07.10 | themill | that will probably work only because libc is very good at not deprecating functions. All the other libraries you are mixing are completely untested combinations. |
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| 04:07.19 | themill | *If* they work, it is purely by luck. |
| 04:08.00 | themill | I'm not sure what your approach to life is, but I tend to look for something stronger than "dumb luck" in my engineering decisions. |
| 04:09.08 | LucMove | I am not mixing "all the other libraries". It's just this one. And I have backups of my entire system. Geez, what a lot of assumptions. |
| 04:09.24 | themill | packages seldom only have a dependency on libc6. |
| 04:10.08 | themill | And in the absence of you providing useful information, all I can do is provide general answers which is "don't don that". |
| 04:10.31 | tya99 | jmcnaught: well installing gnome, didn't help |
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| 04:10.46 | LucMove | Why do people in Linux so often resort to fear and threats so to keep people "in line"? |
| 04:10.50 | themill | wtf? |
| 04:11.04 | tya99 | > LucMove â¡ please? What is wrong with that? I already do in fact. |
| 04:11.09 | tya99 | cos it could fuck up your system |
| 04:11.36 | themill | LucMove: You asked a question, two people answered it and I went on to answer your followup questions. You consider those answers to be threats. |
| 04:11.40 | LucMove | aaaaand I just got this in a private message: "(notice) friendly reminder that your talking to an op". More fear tactics. sigh |
| 04:11.45 | themill | If you don't want answers, then please don't ask questions. |
| 04:12.03 | tya99 | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 04:12.14 | tya99 | specifically https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
| 04:12.17 | themill | LucMove: I don't think this is going to be productive any further. Let's move on. |
| 04:13.58 | LucMove | Well, I am not ready to upgrade my system, that is quite a headache. But there are programs that are getting too old and I definitely would like to get their new versions. |
| 04:14.17 | tya99 | well then you're best bet is to upgrade the system |
| 04:14.22 | CarlFK | how do I remove all things pulse-audio? |
| 04:14.32 | tya99 | because chances are those 'newer versions' will have 'newer dependencies' |
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| 04:14.38 | LucMove | said: "Well, I am not ready to upgrade my system, that is quite a headache." |
| 04:14.41 | themill | LucMove: do backports already exist or are they easy enough to make? that's always a more supportable route than mixing releases. |
| 04:15.10 | LucMove | themill: I don't know. I am not familiar with backports. I guess the answer would be no. |
| 04:15.20 | themill | we could always help you find out |
| 04:15.37 | tya99 | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 04:15.45 | LucMove | I am terrible at building from source. There's always something that breaks. |
| 04:15.47 | CarlFK | I have a box that just runs 1 app, the app uses alsa to read from a usb sound device. right now I'm getting a desktop notifaction of the speaker being muted, and ah tool tip says "not connected to the pulseaudio server " |
| 04:15.58 | qman__ | creating a frankendebian is going to be a much bigger headache than an upgrade |
| 04:16.08 | qman__ | guaranteed |
| 04:16.17 | qman__ | that's precisely why you shouldn't do it |
| 04:18.26 | LucMove | Is [http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports] ANY different from [http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports]? |
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| 04:19.43 | tya99 | CarlFK: what app? |
| 04:20.00 | tya99 | afaik some things might not work without pulseaudio |
| 04:20.03 | CarlFK | tya99: https://github.com/CarlFK/voctomix-outcasts/blob/master/ingest.py#L357 |
| 04:20.09 | LucMove | I just checked, looks like not. So I already have it in my sources.list. So no. |
| 04:20.18 | CarlFK | it's a gstreamer pipeline |
| 04:20.38 | tya99 | ah fair enough |
| 04:21.22 | themill | LucMove: what's this package out of interest? |
| 04:21.23 | CarlFK | given that, how to I remove all things pulse? something is causing the gst thing to get stuck, and the notification is super annoying |
| 04:21.57 | CarlFK | tya99: if you like looking at gst pipelines: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q8yyr8kCsy/ |
| 04:22.23 | LucMove | themill: A few, but the I guess the worst offender is zathura. I love it, but current in Stretch is very old and buggy. |
| 04:22.50 | tya99 | well that should be rather simple to make a backport of |
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| 04:23.13 | themill | LucMove: it looks to be simple enough to first backprot libgirara-dev then zathura |
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| 04:24.49 | tya99 | https://packages.debian.org/buster/zathura you can see the dependencies there |
| 04:26.04 | LucMove | I've done that and I don't know how to do it. I suck at that. I can barely write scripts. |
| 04:26.24 | tya99 | shouldn't have to write any scripts as they are already written |
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| 04:27.19 | LucMove | Oh well... dep: libc6 (>= 2.28). Back to square one. |
| 04:28.24 | LucMove | I have already downloaded source from the official site and tried to build it. I failed as usual. |
| 04:28.41 | tya99 | what was the error? |
| 04:29.24 | LucMove | I don't remember. That was two weeks ago. I can try again... |
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| 04:30.02 | LucMove | I'm also interested in fish-shell, spacefm and gimp. Spacefm only depends on udevil which upgraded fine here. Then there is libc6... but it has to be 2.28-8. That is frustrating, because I'll bet it would run on Stretch without the imposed requirement. |
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| 04:30.44 | tya99 | https://git.pwmt.org/pwmt/zathura/blob/master/README shows what the dependencies are |
| 04:31.40 | LucMove | 10 lines of output. Should I post it here or go to pastebin? |
| 04:31.50 | tya99 | what do you think/ |
| 04:32.11 | tya99 | do you see other people posting 10 lines of output? |
| 04:32.17 | LucMove | Dunno. I don't usually come here. I don't know the rules. |
| 04:33.29 | LucMove | https://pastebin.com/5cM5zNgi |
| 04:34.29 | tya99 | well that's not really all that helpful |
| 04:34.42 | tya99 | Meson encountered an error in file meson_options.txt, line 1, column 0: |
| 04:34.44 | tya99 | Unknown type feature. |
| 04:35.02 | LucMove | you don't say |
| 04:35.13 | tya99 | so i would have a look at what line 1 is in that file |
| 04:35.14 | LucMove | That much I can read. |
| 04:35.22 | CarlFK | sudo apt remove xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin ... The following packages will be REMOVED: xfce4 - isn't that the whole DM? |
| 04:35.31 | LucMove | first lline: option('sqlite', |
| 04:35.45 | themill | LucMove: the dependency on the newer version of libc6 is because the binary won't even start without that newer libc6. It can be recompiled against the older version, but if compiled against the new version, it can't run with the old version. |
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| 04:36.22 | themill | LucMove: my suggestion of backporting was not to try compiling from upstream source but to try recompiling the debian package from sid against stretch. That is in general a much simpler task. |
| 04:36.23 | themill | !ssb |
| 04:36.24 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 04:38.11 | LucMove | themill: Interesting. I'll be milling over it right now. (see what I did there) |
| 04:38.21 | themill | boomtish |
| 04:38.29 | tya99 | http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ lol. |
| 04:38.38 | LucMove | I promise I won't be here all night. |
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| 04:41.18 | LucMove | Shouldn't I add a deb-src line for buster instead of sid? |
| 04:43.08 | rant | CarlFK: no, thats a metapackage that depends on and installs the entire DE (not DM) by removing a single pieces you can no longer keep the metapackage |
| 04:43.28 | rant | ,i xfce4 |
| 04:43.29 | judd | Package xfce4 (xfce, optional) in stretch/amd64: Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. Version: 4.12.3; Size: 7.8k; Installed: 16k; Homepage: http://www.xfce.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/xfce4 |
| 04:43.32 | CarlFK | rant: ah, thanks. |
| 04:44.53 | themill | LucMove: that would work too |
| 04:45.12 | LucMove | thanks |
| 04:45.16 | CarlFK | welp, got rid of the anoying message, but my gst app still broken |
| 04:45.33 | rant | CarlFK: metapackages dont contain anything, their dependencies and such merely serve purposes of installation and upgrades.. often old metapackages are kept in newer releases to transition from something old to something new |
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| 04:50.07 | LucMove | I wish the packages I want were as popular as wesnoth... |
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| 04:50.55 | CarlFK | anyone want to guess at some packages to remove before I reinstall the os? |
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| 04:53.05 | LucMove | build-dep also wants a lot of dependencies. How is that supposed to be simpler? https://pastebin.com/nMBg6sk0 |
| 04:54.02 | tya99 | for a desktop machine at this point i'd probably be using buster |
| 04:54.11 | tya99 | considering it is in freeze |
| 04:54.13 | themill | LucMove: you need to backport libgirara-dev and install that backported package first. The rest would come from stretch-backports |
| 04:54.22 | tya99 | that too |
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| 04:55.24 | rant | CarlFK: apt remove *pulse* |
| 04:55.37 | rant | CarlFK: may be rather broad, but sounds like you want broad strokes |
| 04:56.11 | LucMove | Here we go again. https://pastebin.com/nCvp7GcF |
| 04:56.32 | CarlFK | rant: yep. thanks. |
| 04:56.42 | rant | CarlFK: chances are if you are literally using this machine for a singular task you made huge errors in setting it up anyhow.. as a DE and probably even X were not requirements for this |
| 04:57.19 | CarlFK | rant: there is a little last minutes R&D going on |
| 04:57.39 | CarlFK | X is to open a window and display a v4l stream |
| 04:58.07 | rant | CarlFK: yes well that can be done over SDL, FB, and furthermore vnc and such satisfy the X11 protocol requirements |
| 04:58.32 | rant | and if it were to only do one thing you don't need anything more than maybe a window manager at most |
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| 05:05.53 | CarlFK | is there a way to tell apt: use this dir full of deb's? |
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| 05:06.40 | CarlFK | I guess there is no index |
| 05:07.10 | paul___ | any simpleway to strip? out leading and trailing whitespace in history output |
| 05:07.32 | LucMove | I'm looking at https://backports.debian.org/changes/stretch-backports.html and it claims to provide debhelper 12.1.1~bpo9+1, but on synaptic, it's 10.2.5. [¯\_(¿)_/¯] |
| 05:08.48 | rant | paul___: history|awk '{$1=$1}1' |
| 05:09.50 | rant | sed 's/^[ \t]*//;s/[ \t]*$//' is another option |
| 05:11.16 | paul___ | sweet |
| 05:11.18 | paul___ | ty |
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| 05:13.13 | paul___ | my understndins is regex consists of some seq of repetion operators and the actual regex |
| 05:15.27 | paul___ | ill have to experient |
| 05:15.33 | paul___ | thanks rant |
| 05:16.46 | LucMove | sed 's/\s*(.+)\s*/\1/' |
| 05:17.14 | LucMove | hm... sed -r 's/\s*(.+)\s*/\1/' |
| 05:17.47 | LucMove | I never remember what needs to be escaped, so I always cheat. |
| 05:18.38 | LucMove | that one was for paul___ |
| 05:19.09 | paul___ | ty lucMove |
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| 05:19.16 | paul___ | so powerful is sed |
| 05:19.20 | paul___ | incredible |
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| 05:19.38 | paul___ | ill have to really read up |
| 05:20.17 | LucMove | Yes, but line juggling can get awfully confusing so I prefer to use a perl script or similar. |
| 05:20.17 | paul___ | in college we used awk to format txt files ...was blown away how just a one liner can do so much |
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| 05:21.04 | paul___ | anyone here ever mess w CL? |
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| 05:21.44 | paul___ | my java teacher said lisp is the granddaddy of all langs |
| 05:23.55 | paul___ | time for man sed ...lots of reading |
| 05:24.03 | paul___ | yipeeeee |
| 05:24.20 | themill | LucMove: you need to install those packages from stretch-backports |
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| 05:26.04 | LucMove | themill: Which ones? All of them have showstopping dependencies. |
| 05:26.17 | LucMove | paul___: have a look at this https://launchpad.net/ssed/ |
| 05:27.15 | paul___ | ty |
| 05:27.33 | LucMove | paul___: https://www.pement.org/sed/ |
| 05:28.31 | LucMove | I found that one in 2001. Very old page. Still in business. |
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| 05:31.33 | themill | LucMove: do you have stretch-backports in your sources.list and have you run apt-get update? |
| 05:31.44 | LucMove | yes |
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| 05:32.11 | themill | then "aptitude build-dep libgirara-dev" should be fine |
| 05:33.06 | LucMove | Nope. https://pastebin.com/nCvp7GcF |
| 05:34.08 | themill | apt-get â aptitude |
| 05:35.22 | LucMove | I don't have it. I've read a few warnings about aptitude doing nasty things to people's systems. |
| 05:35.33 | themill | only people who don't reaed |
| 05:36.11 | themill | for this, you can also use "apt-get -t stretch-backports â¦" |
| 05:36.35 | LucMove | FreeBSD people love to say that. Does it perchance involve some 3,000 page manual? |
| 05:37.03 | themill | no, it means "Do you want to remove ⦠Y/n?" requires to you to read rather than just hit enter. |
| 05:37.38 | LucMove | Ah, ok. I always say no to those. |
| 05:38.21 | themill | Anyway, neither apt-get nor aptitude are going to fix your installation of libgtk-3-dev -- if that is not installable still, then that will be because of your stretch/sid mix |
| 05:38.46 | LucMove | I was going to bring that up now... |
| 05:38.49 | themill | they can only fix debhelper and meson. |
| 05:39.28 | LucMove | https://pastebin.com/BDGS2jCy |
| 05:39.28 | themill | http://paste.debian.net/1077433/ |
| 05:40.36 | LucMove | What is udd-cache? No such package on my repos. |
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| 05:41.25 | themill | That would because I've never packaged it |
| 05:41.39 | LucMove | sigh |
| 05:41.47 | LucMove | Never mind, I can't take this anymore. Way past my bedtime. I'm almost sleeping on the chair. |
| 05:41.49 | themill | judd can tell you the same information here |
| 05:42.00 | judd | waves |
| 05:42.17 | LucMove | another bot, eh? |
| 05:42.32 | themill | /msg judd checkbackport libgirara-dev --verbose |
| 05:43.22 | LucMove | I gotta go. Thank you for the attention. I'm sorry I can't stay any longer. |
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| 07:54.37 | tya99 | jmcnaught: i tried the 9.8.0 livecd and i am having the same issues https://hostplus.com.au and https://bdm.cbs.sa.gov.au/bdmsaonline/dbweb.asp?dbcgm=1&prprc=oac |
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| 07:56.10 | tya99 | and it has ca-certificates 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1 and ca-certificates-java 20170929~deb9u1 |
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| 08:03.35 | tya99 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=ca-certificates |
| 08:03.37 | tya99 | hmm |
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| 08:41.03 | tya99 | has anyone got a web browser there |
| 08:41.22 | tya99 | tell me if these sites works for you: https://hostplus.com.au and https://bdm.cbs.sa.gov.au/bdmsaonline/dbweb.asp?dbcgm=1&prprc=oac |
| 08:41.34 | tya99 | works in chromium, and on archlinux for me |
| 08:41.59 | tya99 | does not work in firefox-esr or firefox downloaded from mozilla.org on debian stretch or buster |
| 08:42.25 | tya99 | and i tried debian-live-9.8.0-amd64-gnome.iso too |
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| 08:43.43 | tya99 | works on alpine linux too |
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| 08:50.25 | epsilon | works on stable & firefox-esr |
| 08:51.03 | epsilon | check the CA I mentioned earlier, if they are present in your cert |
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| 08:57.16 | tya99 | sorry i might have missed that |
| 08:57.22 | tya99 | well then what package am i missing :( |
| 08:57.58 | tya99 | epsilon i did accidentally close irc before |
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| 08:59.23 | tya99 | interestingly enough gnutls (ie wget) doesn't work either |
| 08:59.31 | tya99 | so maybe it's some gnutls package |
| 08:59.38 | tya99 | that installs the extra certs |
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| 09:05.17 | tya99 | epsilon: so yeah it's clearly not an issue with firefox, it's an issue with the certs on debian |
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| 09:11.43 | tya99 | doesn't work on Tails for me either. |
| 09:12.41 | tya99 | epsilon: can u give me a list of the packages you have installed |
| 09:12.55 | tya99 | so i can at least see which one it is that i don't have that will install that root cert |
| 09:13.09 | tya99 | it's a fairly major CA |
| 09:13.25 | tya99 | works on windows, archlinux and chromium (on debian) |
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| 09:16.13 | at0m | tya99: a little on the differences between firefox and chrome/-ium http://blog.xelnor.net/firefox-systemcerts/ |
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| 09:17.22 | tya99 | although i would have thought curl/wget would have used the systemwide ones |
| 09:17.25 | tya99 | and not the firefox ones |
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| 09:18.37 | at0m | or openssl s_client -connect domain.com:443 -showcerts |
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| 09:20.01 | tya99 | at0m: yep that too |
| 09:20.02 | tya99 | verify error:num=21:unable to verify the first certificate |
| 09:20.23 | tya99 | 0 s:CN = *.hostplus.com.au |
| 09:20.25 | tya99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.34 | epsilon | aren't the certs in firefox-esr provided by mozilla and not by debian? |
| 09:20.53 | tya99 | well i thought the ca-certificates package had all those |
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| 09:21.03 | tya99 | but this does not seem to be a firefox issue |
| 09:21.12 | tya99 | because it does not work in wget, curl, or epiphany |
| 09:21.24 | tya99 | the only reason it works in chromium is because that uses it's own store |
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| 09:23.36 | tya99 | hmm on archlinux i have |
| 09:23.40 | tya99 | https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/any/ca-certificates/ |
| 09:23.44 | tya99 | https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/ca-certificates-mozilla/ |
| 09:23.58 | tya99 | the second one being: "ca-certificates-mozilla" |
| 09:24.01 | tya99 | Description: Mozilla's set of trusted CA certificates |
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| 09:24.03 | tya99 | Upstream URL: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Projects/NSS |
| 09:25.20 | tya99 | i cannot seem to find the equivalent package in Debian |
| 09:25.31 | yourlord | disconnect |
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| 09:30.12 | tya99 | at0m: yeah so the issue clearly isn't helped by that link |
| 09:30.18 | tya99 | because openssl doesn't work :P |
| 09:30.36 | tya99 | and ideally i would want to fix it for wget/curl/openssl first |
| 09:31.50 | at0m | tya99: probably not, but easy would be to update-ca-certificates |
| 09:32.06 | at0m | that'll update system certs |
| 09:32.29 | tya99 | what's interesting is that it does not work on archlinux either :) |
| 09:32.34 | tya99 | it did in firefox, but not with curl/openssl |
| 09:36.06 | tya99 | sudo update-ca-certificates --fresh --verbose |
| 09:36.09 | tya99 | 128 added, 0 removed; done. |
| 09:36.12 | tya99 | Running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d... |
| 09:36.14 | tya99 | hmm |
| 09:36.47 | mebus | my mariadb doesn't start anymore. There is nothing helpful in the logs. How can I fix this? |
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| 10:09.09 | tya99 | at0m: interesting, i installed openssl in windows 10 didn't work, and it didn't work in firefox installed in windows either |
| 10:09.23 | tya99 | so it seems like the only reason it works in archlinux is because they've updated |
| 10:10.40 | tya99 | so i think it defintely makes it a mozilla issue |
| 10:10.48 | tya99 | as in their root store is old |
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| 10:21.21 | epsilon | oiaohm: it's pain in the something, like everything OpenSource stuff made run on Windows |
| 10:22.06 | epsilon | short, you can, you don't want. |
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| 12:25.47 | LilUFO | was having a built of difficulty getting X up on my raven ridge setup |
| 12:26.06 | LilUFO | with a buster alpha 5 image |
| 12:26.25 | tya99 | jmcnaught: epsilon i solved the issue |
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| 12:26.59 | tya99 | jmcnaught: epsilon the reason it worked for you, is because you've been to a site that has used those certificates before, and thus they have been cached |
| 12:27.01 | LilUFO | I know kernel 4.19 to work pretty well with my hardware in the past |
| 12:27.17 | tya99 | jmcnaught: epsilon it won't work for you, or anyone else if you create a new mozilla profile |
| 12:27.47 | LilUFO | might I need the latest mesa libs? |
| 12:27.55 | tya99 | jmcnaught: epsilon the reason for this is because chrome, internet explorer downloads the intermediate certificate from the AIA |
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| 12:28.54 | tya99 | jmcnaught: epsilon where as firefox does not for privacy reasons https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399324 |
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| 13:45.38 | magic_ninja | what is debian's default xinitrc file that it uses? |
| 13:46.13 | tp43_ | hi, I Have Gnome Desktop. I have minor problem. The screen saver does not turn on. |
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| 13:52.26 | tp43_ | magic_ninja, guess it depends on the desktop you are using. I don't think GNome uses .xinitrc anymore |
| 13:52.41 | magic_ninja | lxqt |
| 13:53.16 | magic_ninja | startx gives me a blank x server. Just a mouse and colored background, but nothing else. |
| 13:53.44 | tp43_ | I am using gnome. we have a tweaks tools, and then a Startup Applications sub menu |
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| 13:56.57 | magic_ninja | well, I only want a GUI some of the time. |
| 13:57.40 | tp43_ | cool |
| 13:58.01 | magic_ninja | Have you tried googling your problem? |
| 13:58.13 | magic_ninja | Perhaps with a Gnome version? |
| 13:58.48 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: there is one in /etc/X11/xinit. sounds like you don't have a wm starting. |
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| 13:59.48 | EdePopede | tp43_: does it start from the shell? and does it run in testmode from the settings window? |
| 13:59.54 | magic_ninja | EdePopede, well, what I did was copied the xinitrc and xserver from /etc/X11/xinit to my home directory. Made them writable, and changed the owner to me. Now I think I just need to add the startx lxqt -- :1 to the file? |
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| 14:01.41 | tp43_ | EdePopede, I tried $gnome-screensaver-command -a but nothing happens |
| 14:01.47 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: here lightdm (started as root) forks and and this child then runs `/bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc -- /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc` under my account. and also Xorg. |
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| 14:02.25 | EdePopede | tp43_: including the '$'? since i don't use it, it this a defined shell variable? |
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| 14:02.49 | tp43_ | EdePopede, no, I know how to do basic bash |
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| 14:05.17 | EdePopede | OMG, this doesn't sound like they want users to actually use it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Screensaver |
| 14:06.03 | EdePopede | tp43_: what about xscreensaver? as i understand the article gnome's is a simplified frontent only for classic xscreensaver. |
| 14:08.18 | tp43_ | EdePopede, Oh I never knew that. Maybe I better make sure it is installed then |
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| 14:08.44 | tp43_ | EdePopede, yeah, xscreensaver was not even installed. |
| 14:08.51 | EdePopede | tp43_: just try to start it from the shell, you may also tab ;) |
| 14:09.02 | EdePopede | weird, is there no dependency? |
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| 14:09.41 | tp43_ | EdePopede, yeah, should have been, but I did install/purge a few times of xfce4 so maybe that caused it |
| 14:11.29 | EdePopede | tp43_: shouldn't happen unless you tell apt/whatever to ignore dependencies |
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| 14:12.46 | tp43_ | EdePopede, when you install then purge and then install again, it sometime skip some stuff. I don't know how it works in-depth, but it happens. Actually I knew about config files and stuff, not dependencies |
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| 14:13.32 | tp43_ | doing apt-get install --re-install is supposed to make sure all config files get reset too, I tried that too, |
| 14:13.45 | tp43_ | But now let me set me screensaver time to 1mins and see if it turn on |
| 14:13.52 | Enissay | cat "#!/bin/bash" > foo.sh => Is not working why ? |
| 14:14.04 | Enissay | echo* |
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| 14:14.28 | tp43_ | ok I have power savings set to Blank screen : 1min |
| 14:14.48 | EdePopede | Enissay: i get an error here. |
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| 14:15.20 | Enissay | EdePopede: Goal is to simply append that line to the file :-/ |
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| 14:16.20 | tp43_ | it didn't work, I have m power settings set to 1min to blank screen, but it didn't do it |
| 14:16.49 | tp43_ | oh wait, instead of gnome power settings, I will just go to xscreensaver settings |
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| 14:17.26 | EdePopede | Enissay: 1) look out for the error, it tells you what the problem is. 2) use >> to append, > will create an empty file which includes overwriting an existing one |
| 14:18.42 | tp43_ | yep works now. |
| 14:18.48 | tp43_ | EdePopede, yep works now, thx a lot |
| 14:19.41 | EdePopede | tp43_: you may want to look at rss-glx. really ;) |
| 14:20.00 | Enissay | EdePopede: Ok for point 2, the first line needs to clear all content so is fine. |
| 14:20.35 | Enissay | EdePopede: for point 1, it removes ! from the string |
| 14:20.38 | EdePopede | tp43_: linux port of the really slick screensavers for windows, used them in the old days. and as soon as the port was there... they're just great |
| 14:21.31 | EdePopede | # echo "#!/bin/bash" |
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| 14:21.41 | EdePopede | oh, i thought one of the bots could do this |
| 14:21.51 | EdePopede | Enissay > bash: !/bin/bash: event not found |
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| 14:24.06 | tp43_ | EdePopede, no I just need to blank the screen. So I guess I have to add xscreensaver to the start application of gnome tweaks tool right? |
| 14:24.15 | Enissay | EdePopede: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/3053/62874 |
| 14:24.21 | EdePopede | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#echo_.22Hello_World.21.22 |
| 14:24.22 | Enissay | Thanks ;-) |
| 14:25.00 | magic_ninja | So startx isn't launching my xinitrc |
| 14:25.15 | EdePopede | Enissay: right, escaping. «'» vs. «"» |
| 14:25.17 | magic_ninja | I just did ./xinitrc and it worked |
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| 14:25.34 | magic_ninja | ooo, it should be .xinitrc shouldn't it? |
| 14:26.48 | magic_ninja | Well that is a shame. startx still doesn't run it |
| 14:27.03 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: if it isn't executable you have a '.' to source it and it is .xinitrc (or safer ~/.xinitrc), yes |
| 14:27.52 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: /usr/bin/startx (shell script) checks for the existance of the file, else it uses the systemwide. line 218 finally fires it up. |
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| 14:29.23 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: the one in /etc only does one thing: `. /etc/X11/Xsession` - did you add something to your copy? |
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| 14:30.18 | magic_ninja | i commented that out and did startx /usr/bin/startlxqt -- :1 |
| 14:30.54 | magic_ninja | it works from a command prompt. It seems startx gets an xinit with a few variables that aren't getting populated properly |
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| 14:31.59 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: for such cases you can add "set > $file" to a script and compare the file to your normal environment. |
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| 14:33.15 | magic_ninja | I'm not sure |
| 14:33.20 | magic_ninja | I don't know what that > does |
| 14:34.17 | EdePopede | best place would be just right bafore that command. even if the file doesn't get created you know that the script doesn't get executed up to that position |
| 14:34.54 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: writes STDOUT (normal output) into a file (with `file` to be understood in a very wide manner) |
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| 14:36.34 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: so what you did is to copy xinitrc into your home, rename it to .xinitrc and adding `/usr/bin/startlxqt -- :1` while removing the original command, is this correct? |
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| 14:37.55 | magic_ninja | yes |
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| 14:41.29 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: and if you do `exec startlxqt` as considered in the manpage? |
| 14:41.49 | magic_ninja | is exec the proper way to execute something from a shell script, then? |
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| 14:42.51 | EdePopede | exec replaces the shell instead of starting a subprocess |
| 14:43.11 | yokowka | heaven0 everysoul.. |
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| 14:43.50 | magic_ninja | that did it. Yes, I did check the man page, but it is very large, and I probably missed it. |
| 14:44.09 | EdePopede | erm.... https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/1-startlxqt/ |
| 14:44.22 | EdePopede | then i really would like to warn you of the bash manpage ;) |
| 14:44.38 | EdePopede | or which one did you look into? |
| 14:45.08 | yokowka | how can i help debian became more beter if i am not speaking england language?; |
| 14:45.28 | tya99 | yokowka yes, it has mailing lists in a lot of different languages |
| 14:46.11 | tya99 | yokowka: what language in particular? |
| 14:46.56 | yokowka | tya99, ÑÑÑÐ¾Ð²Ñ iаzÑÐºÑ |
| 14:47.43 | tya99 | https://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/ ? |
| 14:48.32 | tya99 | https://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 14:49.30 | EdePopede | yokowka: and maybe you could also look into the russian channel (i guess there is one) |
| 14:49.32 | EdePopede | !ru |
| 14:49.32 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 14:49.34 | yokowka | links not work is.... |
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| 14:51.27 | EdePopede | yokowka: my first guess was putin playing around with the internet, but i see you're .by and not .ru? |
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| 14:53.15 | yokowka | EdePopede by mean is BelAPus' Soviet Socialistic Republic in United Republics Soviet Social) |
| 14:54.13 | EdePopede | yokowka: are they also doing with the internet? do you get a route to the servers? |
| 14:54.35 | tya99 | traceroute debian.org |
| 14:55.07 | magic_ninja | can anyone suggest a terminal editor where I can save my work space? |
| 14:55.24 | yokowka | also .by .ru .ua .kz etcicle are United Soviet Socialistic Republics |
| 14:55.37 | tya99 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belarus |
| 14:56.41 | EdePopede | !by |
| 14:56.42 | dpkg | somebody said by was Belarus |
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| 14:56.56 | EdePopede | dpkg: clever |
| 14:56.56 | dpkg | wags his tail and yaps. |
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| 14:57.24 | tya99 | According to a study done by the Belarusian government in 2009, 72% of Belarusians speak Russian at home, while Belarusian is actively used by only 11.9% of Belarusians. Approximately 29.4% of Belarusians can write, speak, and read Belarusian, while 52.5% can only read and speak it. |
| 14:57.24 | yokowka | EdePopede i do not know what is route to the servers one i know is the three internet servers are in Tokyo New York Moskva |
| 14:57.44 | tya99 | In the UNESCO Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger, the Belarusian language is stated to be vulnerable.[13] |
| 14:57.52 | tya99 | Under the pressure of this "national rebirth" movement in 1990 the Supreme Soviet of the BSSR passed a language law which declared Belarusian the sole official language of the BSSR. |
| 14:57.53 | EdePopede | yokowka: do you reach them? traceroute or ping. |
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| 14:58.56 | yokowka | trace is can be wrighting by another word is? england language is not my....) |
| 14:59.12 | tya99 | "tracert, traceroute tracepath" |
| 14:59.19 | tya99 | tracert is windows |
| 15:00.03 | yokowka | so i not see you.... appologies me( |
| 15:00.32 | tya99 | !paste |
| 15:00.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:00.49 | tya99 | yokowka: paste in http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:01.35 | tya99 | ÑÑÑавÑÑÑ Ñ http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:01.36 | yokowka | EdePopede tya99 yes now i hear you and yes LUKoSHENKo tracert |
| 15:02.03 | yokowka | reace the servers |
| 15:02.23 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: of course there's a tool for it > debtags search "interface::text-mode && use::editing && role::program" | sort |
| 15:03.09 | EdePopede | magic_ninja: depending on what i do i use vim or mc's internal editor. but you have to find what fits your needs and what works for you |
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| 15:03.40 | tya99 | yokowka: |
| 15:03.43 | tya99 | з дапамогай Google Translate. УÑÑаÑÑе вÑнÑÐºÑ Ñ http://paste.debian.net, каб Ð¼Ñ Ð¼Ð°Ð³Ð»Ñ Ð±Ð°ÑÑÑÑ, ÑÑо адбÑваеÑÑа |
| 15:04.34 | tya99 | EdePopede: i'm actually curious if there is somewhere along the way that is blocking debian.org |
| 15:05.25 | EdePopede | well. get the ip, if it is dns. use a proxy if they break the routing. |
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| 15:05.39 | yokowka | tya пÑа ÑкiÑ ÑÑ ÐºÐ°Ð¶Ð°ÑÑ Ð²Ñнiкi& |
| 15:05.42 | yokowka | ? |
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| 15:06.17 | tya99 | yokowka: can you go to https://130.89.148.14 |
| 15:06.29 | tya99 | err |
| 15:06.36 | tya99 | http://130.89.148.14 |
| 15:06.52 | at0m | !ru |
| 15:06.52 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 15:07.08 | yokowka | tya99, i am on this site now |
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| 15:07.19 | tya99 | EdePopede: so it must be domain blocking |
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| 15:07.52 | EdePopede | tya99: redirects to www. but what in hell is klecker-misc? |
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| 15:08.13 | Enissay | test `find /etc/letsencrypt/live/* -mtime +1` ==> bash: test: too many arguments ==> What is wrong here ? |
| 15:08.35 | tya99 | EdePopede: well if it worked for him, that means his DNS server isn't returning record |
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| 15:09.08 | tya99 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Belarus#Internet_censorship |
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| 15:55.50 | Krenair | So I've got a debian stretch VM with udev 232, and a udev rule that doesn't seem to get applied and I'm not sure why... maybe I just don't understand udev well enough. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P8393 |
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| 16:10.33 | jhutchins | Enissay: Loose the * |
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| 16:17.49 | dez | www-isbuu-com!~isbuu@88.233.176.78 bot |
| 16:18.03 | www-isbuu-com | dez no |
| 16:18.06 | www-isbuu-com | bot |
| 16:18.32 | dez | Then stop fucking spamming |
| 16:18.40 | www-isbuu-com | you fuck |
| 16:18.43 | www-isbuu-com | pisik |
| 16:18.55 | EdePopede | !ops: www-isbuu-com + dez |
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| 16:19.02 | EdePopede | !ops www-isbuu-com + dez |
| 16:19.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: edepopede complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 16:19.17 | www-isbuu-com | yes |
| 16:19.17 | EdePopede | get a room |
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| 16:21.59 | jhutchins | EdePopede: Don't feed the trols. |
| 16:22.08 | jhutchins | trolls even |
| 16:23.13 | Krenair | I've tried stopping the udev service and running `sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --debug` |
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| 16:24.12 | Krenair | it shows it reading the rule file, and does say "restoring old watch on '/dev/dm-0'" and "adding watch on '/dev/dm-0'" |
| 16:24.41 | Krenair | but other than that it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 16:25.09 | Krenair | maybe the /dev/swift/ directory has to be created manually for this to work? |
| 16:25.57 | Enissay | Why the below is not running from crontab ? |
| 16:25.59 | Enissay | 1 * * * * { printf "%s: [%s] TEST\n" "$(date "+%a %m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S")" "$(hostname)" ;} >> /var/log/test.log 2>&1 |
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| 16:29.37 | EdePopede | Enissay: use the complate path for commands |
| 16:29.46 | EdePopede | s/complate/complete/ |
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| 16:43.45 | Enissay | EdePopede: still not working :'( |
| 16:44.00 | Enissay | from cron log, I see: CRON[24205]: (root) CMD ({ /usr/bin/printf ") |
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| 16:44.33 | hk238 | Hello.. Hmm is it possible to install debian without internet connection? I have this wifi that gets disconnected mid-install |
| 16:46.16 | mason | hk238: Snag something other than the netboot installer, sure. |
| 16:47.47 | Enissay | EdePopede: OMG, I had to escape % as it's special char... What a wasted time :'( |
| 16:47.49 | Krenair | making the /dev/swift directory didn't achieve anything |
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| 16:49.07 | EdePopede | hk238: did you install via netinst image? you also could get DVD#1 and have a rather complete system |
| 16:49.16 | EdePopede | Enissay: works now? |
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| 16:49.24 | hk238 | EdePopede that's probably what I should do can you download it ? |
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| 16:50.00 | EdePopede | hk238: i could for sure, only i don't see how this would help *you* installing? |
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| 16:50.35 | hk238 | I have two computers one of them has a wifi device that doesn't work without some drivers, so when I try to install debian the connection dies mid-install |
| 16:50.45 | hk238 | but I can use a computer to download an image and put iton an USB |
| 16:51.33 | EdePopede | hk238: select the one you need https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
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| 16:51.53 | EdePopede | and then better use a downloader like wget or curl which can resume interrupted downloads |
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| 16:52.10 | CarlFK | hk238: I would figure out how to use a wired connection - like set the 2nd one to share the wifi |
| 16:52.30 | EdePopede | or simply use a cable ;) |
| 16:52.33 | hk238 | It's a problem with the device or something like that |
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| 16:53.00 | hk238 | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.8.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso <-- so this one works without internet? |
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| 16:54.03 | EdePopede | there are 2 more available (the other ones only with jigdo), but yes. unless you want/need some non-free drivers. |
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| 16:54.21 | LtL | hk238: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.8.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso = 327MB |
| 16:54.34 | hk238 | LtL: the url for that one says 'netinst' though? |
| 16:55.11 | LtL | hk238: Thats true, the other option is over 3GB |
| 16:55.20 | hk238 | hmm what's that one? |
| 16:56.13 | hk238 | It sounds like it's probably the one I should get |
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| 16:56.38 | LtL | hk238: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.8.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-9.8.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso = 3.4GB |
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| 16:56.52 | hk238 | Okay thanks I'll try that |
| 16:57.04 | hk238 | I guess I couldn't find it navigating the site |
| 16:57.11 | LtL | hk238: good luck |
| 16:57.15 | hk238 | thx |
| 16:57.41 | EdePopede | i also found the link to the non-free only on the page with the downloads |
| 16:57.59 | LtL | hk238: its a good idea to verify checksums on the downloaded image. |
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| 17:07.54 | hk238 | hmm which thing I should get from apt to be able to make the USB drive from an iso image? I remember theree was some program, but I don't remember the name |
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| 17:16.52 | annadane | hk238, you should be able to just check what device you have with lsblk. make sure the USB is unmounted, and cp image.iso /dev/sdx (where x depends on what's shown in lsblk) |
| 17:16.59 | annadane | (as root) |
| 17:17.29 | hk238 | hmm but there's something you can install with apt though? With a GUI? |
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| 17:17.38 | annadane | possibly. i don't know of it |
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| 17:56.34 | fukdup | https://cnn.com/2019/04/13/us/mall-of-america-child-thrown-anger-issues/index.html see the degenerates of society are committing murder |
| 17:56.56 | fukdup | this is what happens when crazy ppl are free to roam the streets |
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| 18:07.46 | dramallama8086 | hello, a little confused about the hard freeze on buster. is it "safe" to use now? security updates still coming through, yes? |
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| 18:18.02 | jmcnaught | dramallama8086: buster won't get security support until it is released as stable. Now that the freeze has happened you won't see any big changes or newer versions of packages, only targetted bug fixes |
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| 18:19.30 | truexfan81 | on the installer what is "Debian desktop environment" ? |
| 18:19.55 | jmcnaught | it's GNOME unless you pick one of the other desktop environments |
| 18:19.56 | annadane | they're the task-desktop-packages |
| 18:20.01 | annadane | oh, right, sorry |
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| 18:36.44 | rant | hk238: you don't need anything with apt, you just use cp or dd |
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| 19:01.37 | jak2000 | hi all i need get the actualdate and pass a parameter to curl... any advice, here my paste: /msg NickServ identify |
| 19:01.44 | jak2000 | https://paste.debian.net/1077484/ |
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| 19:33.26 | Ankman | heh, europe going to bed ;-) |
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| 19:34.15 | mawk | it's just 21h30 here Ankman |
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| 19:34.21 | mawk | people are eating rather |
| 19:34.22 | mawk | in europe |
| 19:34.44 | SwedeMike | mawk: depends on where in europe you are, some parts of Europe eat a lot earlier |
| 19:35.08 | mawk | yeah |
| 19:35.11 | mawk | I eat late |
| 19:35.26 | mawk | I think the most common is around 19h |
| 19:35.40 | mawk | but in some european countries dinners are very lengthy alsoç |
| 19:35.43 | mawk | french dinners can take hours |
| 19:36.52 | Ankman | well it's 21:36 there. eating that late isn't good ;-) |
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| 19:37.26 | SwedeMike | mawk: I eat dinner around 17.00. |
| 19:37.37 | SwedeMike | but now we're drifting off-topic |
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| 19:49.13 | pagetelegram_ | I installed debian 9 to USB thumb, chose not to install grub on main hard drive and to install boot on thumb. When I try to boot thumb all I get is a flashing cursor. Install went without a hitch. How can I fix this install (everything is there just not booting)? |
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| 19:50.16 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 19:50.17 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 19:50.43 | jhutchins | pagetelegram_: You may need to use UUIDs in the grub.cfg. |
| 19:51.12 | pagetelegram__ | ok thanks |
| 19:52.15 | pagetelegram__ | Now is grub suppose to be on a fat partition? |
| 19:52.27 | pagetelegram__ | bc the isntaller didn't create a fat |
| 19:54.19 | jhutchins | pagetelegram__: I think GPT is Ok. |
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| 19:56.05 | pagetelegram__ | ok, going to try anther stab at it. |
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| 20:57.52 | ChunkzZ | hi! is it hard to setup docker? |
| 20:57.58 | ChunkzZ | any useful tuts? |
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| 21:02.40 | ozars | ChunkzZ: https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/ |
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| 21:05.38 | ChunkzZ | ozars, with docker, you run apps as containers.... do I have to manually keep running them after reboots etc? |
| 21:07.19 | ChunkzZ | I run a headless server ozars would that work? |
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| 21:08.38 | ozars | I never deployed long living containers/swarm etc. Mostly used them for creating CI builds. So take my answers with some grain: You need to run them again when you reboot your host, but you can automate this with start up scripts (you don't need to rebuild images once you build them once). |
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| 21:10.05 | ozars | you control docker via its cli, so yeah you can work over headless server. |
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| 21:11.30 | ozars | if you need to restart them a container if/when it fails, docker may have some cli flags for restarting automatically. docker-compose has it for sure (restart: always). |
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| 21:35.32 | super_sonic | hi guys how are you |
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| 21:41.49 | super_sonic | hello |
| 21:44.07 | annadane | super_sonic, just ask a question if you have one |
| 21:44.17 | annadane | if you're just saying hi... then hi! :) |
| 21:45.56 | super_sonic | annadane, thanks |
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| 21:52.22 | super_sonic | i wonder, is it irc hidden |
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| 21:55.24 | annadane | is what irc hidden? |
| 21:57.09 | teclo- | you mean you write "irc" on a piece of paper, and you put a book on it |
| 21:57.13 | teclo- | then irc is hidden |
| 21:57.29 | TurqFlame | :-) |
| 21:58.23 | TurqFlame | its not hidden for remote viewers |
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| 22:01.24 | super_sonic | yes. are our chat is hidden |
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| 22:01.33 | super_sonic | i am sorry |
| 22:02.27 | super_sonic | my english not good |
| 22:04.13 | jmcnaught | super_sonic: this is a public chat room, it is not hidden or private at all. This channel is primarily for technical support for Debian GNU/Linux. If you're looking to chat, there's also #debian-offtopic |
| 22:05.33 | super_sonic | okey thanks. good days |
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| 23:02.11 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 23:03.20 | Azrael_- | i have installed additional packages from sury.org. if i want to upgrade the distribution, what would be the best approach to accomplish this without too many problems? |
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| 23:37.25 | ml| | Azrael_-: Make a list of what you have installed from there; then uninstall all of them. Also make sure their repo is disabled in your sources.list. Do the system upgrade, following the release notes for the codename in question. |
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| 23:39.24 | ml| | Azrael_-: Install apt-forktracer, then do 'apt-forktracer | sort' to get a list of all unofficial debian packages installed. |
| 23:41.20 | ml| | Azrael_-: If you still need/want those packages, reinstall them from the list. |
| 23:42.07 | ml| | dpkg: release notes |
| 23:42.07 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
| 23:42.14 | ml| | Azrael_-: ^^^ |
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| 23:45.47 | ml| | Azrael_-: If you are not on Jessie, see the full list of release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 23:48.39 | Azrael_- | till jessie :) thanks for the extensive list |
| 23:48.52 | Azrael_- | *still |
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| 23:53.47 | Azrael_- | what if some of the additional external packages also updated some central libraries? e.g. libssl can i downgrade those packages to the "normal" version so i don't have to uninstall all other depending packages? |
| 23:53.56 | laptop | hi |
| 23:54.10 | laptop | may I ask if anyone has installed modsecurity for debian |
| 23:54.40 | ml| | Azrael_-: Sorry was not clear. Make to reinstall said packages of course AFTER the system upgrade. |
| 23:54.50 | Azrael_- | laptop: good luck with it. tell me when you have accomplished it |
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| 23:56.22 | Azrael_- | ml|: yeah, i understand. first i have to uninstall all packages from the 3rd party sources. but how to get rid of standard-packages which are updated from there? i don't want to completely uninstall them but only downgrade them to the standard version |
| 23:57.19 | ml| | Azrael_-: After you remove or comment out all non-debian sources and even backports sources in sources.list. You can try to downgrade them using aptitude's ncurses interface; but downgrading packages is not supported, Good Luck. |
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| 23:57.51 | Azrael_- | so i should just keep those "upgraded" packages and try the dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:58.49 | laptop | with kernel 5 can you use the adamtium encryption that google has put out or is it only available for mobile |
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