| 00:00.32 | ml| | No, try downgrading them first. If that does not work you will have no choice but to uninstall them as well and reinstall those as well; or upgrade from those sources after the system upgrade. |
| 00:00.39 | ml| | Azrael_-: ^ |
| 00:00.58 | Azrael_- | ok, thanks |
| 00:01.23 | Azrael_- | will get quite interesting as soon as i find enough time to dig through this :) |
| 00:01.24 | ml| | If you keep them you most certainly run into trouble. |
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| 00:03.26 | Azrael_- | currently running jessie with php 5.6/7.0/7.1/7.2, have to get the same setup after the upgrade :D |
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| 00:04.15 | ml| | Azrael_-: After removing or commenting out those sources. Before using aptitude ncurses interface to try to downgrade them do an apt update. |
| 00:04.55 | ml| | Or else your attempt to try to downgrade them will fail. |
| 00:05.13 | Azrael_- | ok, thanks |
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| 00:05.34 | ml| | Good Luck, as you know your setup is not supported. |
| 00:06.03 | Azrael_- | i know, but i just needed the various php versions all on one machine and this is also not supported |
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| 00:06.39 | Azrael_- | if i do all this on an lvm-snapshot, can i change an lvm snapshot into the real "version" or is this impossible? |
| 00:06.43 | ml| | Yes, that is what I meant on top of downgrading. |
| 00:07.27 | ml| | Can not help you with that, maybe someone else will chime in. |
| 00:07.35 | Azrael_- | thanks |
| 00:07.59 | Azrael_- | will probably come back then for more questions :) |
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| 00:09.03 | ml| | The most important thing is to upgrade a pure debian system. |
| 00:10.21 | ml| | It maybe also be better to purge said packages, instead of just uninstalling them. Just make a backup of config files before purging the packages. |
| 00:10.26 | ml| | Azrael_-: ^ |
| 00:10.57 | Azrael_- | ouch, even purge? ok..... |
| 00:11.04 | ml| | *may be |
| 00:11.45 | Azrael_- | got a "not so important" vm and will try it out with this first |
| 00:12.54 | ml| | Just in case to be on the safe side, but not sure; just being cautious. |
| 00:13.11 | Azrael_- | thanks again |
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| 00:14.18 | ml| | Yes, that is a good plan. Read the release notes before starting to get an idea and try my suggestions. |
| 00:14.38 | ml| | No problem, Good Night :) |
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| 00:22.52 | ml| | Azrael_-: Just realized that if downgrading those system libraries does not work. You can manually download them with apt or from s.d.o and manually install them. |
| 00:23.01 | ml| | dpkg: s.d.o |
| 00:23.02 | dpkg | s.d.o is, like, security.debian.org |
| 00:23.14 | ml| | well |
| 00:23.23 | ml| | dpkg: snapshot |
| 00:23.23 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 00:23.36 | ml| | Azrael_-: s.d.o ^^ |
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| 00:27.43 | ml| | Or at least try too. |
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| 00:58.01 | paul__ | ty luc |
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| 01:24.31 | bymx | can some one guide me to update an apps? |
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| 01:31.04 | at0m | bymx: just ask. what app, and what's the problem? |
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| 01:31.30 | at0m | oh i see you're on OFTC asking, too |
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| 02:29.17 | unknown | when i run apt-get with seemingly harmless options, it says there is nothing to upgrade. any clue why? https://termbin.com/nfpz |
| 02:30.56 | unknown | aaaaaand i run it again and it ... works as expected. well ok then. |
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| 02:43.33 | unknown | what do i do to show obsolete packages taht can be purged? |
| 02:43.40 | unknown | from the command line |
| 02:46.59 | themill | aptitude search ~o |
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| 02:54.56 | unknown | thanks |
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| 03:27.01 | unknown | oh my, but even with my confold and ucf conffold setting, i get asked a lot of questions when upgrading |
| 03:27.29 | unknown | i thought i had that covered with https://termbin.com/nfpz |
| 03:28.08 | unknown | (the second part, which works for some reason) |
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| 03:31.56 | themill | what questions? |
| 03:32.24 | themill | (also, you probably don't want confmiss if you're upgrading an existing installation) |
| 03:34.50 | themill | you've not told debconf to be non-interactive in that |
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| 03:40.01 | unknown | all sorts of console dialog box grey on white questions. whether that is debconf or what idk. but i thought all of those would be taken care of by the confold stuff. |
| 03:40.04 | unknown | why do i not want confmiss? i thought confmiss meant, if a file was accidentally moved or deled, replace it with new configuration. and if you /do not/ set confmiss, i thought debian assumes you're a wizard who moved or deled on purpose and will not ask. |
| 03:41.17 | rj1 | wonder when debian 10 release will be |
| 03:41.19 | rj1 | feels close :) |
| 03:41.21 | unknown | what is the difference between .dkpg-dist and .dpkg-new? |
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| 03:50.31 | seeker63 | trying to install stretch on a compaq presario desktop with 80 gig hard drive and 1 gig ram. i have tried three different mirrors installing gnome desktop with all the same issues--somewhere during the select and install software phase failure occurs. what could the problem be |
| 03:52.11 | seeker63 | i might add that when the initial install screen appears i hit h and then enter and then at boot prompt type install vga=normal fb=false |
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| 03:58.04 | Sleaker | seeker63: is it failing to find a disk to install to, or failing to find the cd? what's the error it's coming up with? |
| 03:58.20 | Sleaker | or are you already past partitioning and it fails on actually installing the packages. |
| 03:58.34 | Sleaker | need a bit more context. |
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| 04:03.36 | themill | unknown: yes, if you remove a conffile then dpkg assumes you did that for a reason. Do you often delete config files for no reason? Unwanted config coming back is not a good thing. |
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| 04:07.04 | unknown | yes i checked and i never have deleted or moved a config file on purpose or by accident. my qeustions remain ?:) |
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| 04:12.49 | unknown | huh, google finds plenty of instances of people hitting the could not peform immediage configuration error, but none saying what that option does |
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| 04:17.14 | seeker63 | Sleaker: sorry was getting some seniors to an after prom thing. It failed while installing packages past partitioning |
| 04:17.40 | seeker63 | Sleaker: installing from mirror |
| 04:18.52 | Sleaker | seeker63: in that case you should be able to swap to tty3 and check syslog to see what it failed to do |
| 04:19.11 | Sleaker | ctl+alt+F3 |
| 04:19.54 | themill | unknown: which upgrade are you doing? |
| 04:19.56 | Sleaker | and depending on how far it got, you could potentially copy /var/log/syslog into /target/tmp and then chroot /target to have a bit more of an environment |
| 04:20.30 | seeker63 | sleaker: ok will do that and then give you feedback as to what i find |
| 04:20.48 | Sleaker | the installer env doesn't have a lot of the base tools so if it was able to install bash and less into /target you can run those from inside the chrooted env. |
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| 04:27.24 | COOurb|2 | help me with adding route |
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| 04:28.36 | COOurb | I'm using OpenVPN and wanna have routes to some nodes without VPN |
| 04:29.17 | COOurb | so I added it like ""ip route add 77.77.77.0/24 via 192.168.1.2 dev enp1s0 |
| 04:29.24 | unknown | i guess i do want apt-get to be noninteractive after all. those arguments still eave a ton of questions. and they all kind of appear randomly not a once. |
| 04:30.00 | COOurb | but it doesn't work |
| 04:30.12 | Sleaker | unknown: if you want it to answer yes for everyhing that's one way to do it. |
| 04:30.22 | COOurb | traceroute with -g 192.168.1.1 doesn't work too |
| 04:30.34 | themill | unknown: most debconf questions will be at the start of the apt run, but apt cannot know that some of them need asking until later in the maintainer scripts. (and this is debconf not apt or dpkg) |
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| 04:34.08 | unknown | Sleaker it will answer yes to everything? ah then i do not want that. i want the default for everything i think. |
| 04:34.14 | Sleaker | themill: if it's debconf you can preseed those answers though correct? |
| 04:34.18 | Sleaker | or am I thinking d-i. |
| 04:34.26 | unknown | this is for a dist upgrade |
| 04:34.29 | Sleaker | ahh |
| 04:34.38 | Sleaker | I haven't run into questions during dist-upgrading. |
| 04:34.46 | ryouma | i am buried under quesitons |
| 04:34.53 | themill | you always get questions when upgrading |
| 04:34.58 | Sleaker | is this stretch -> buster? |
| 04:35.04 | ryouma | no to stretch |
| 04:35.08 | Sleaker | ah. |
| 04:35.12 | themill | but yes, you really should preseed the answers rather than blindly turn them off |
| 04:35.20 | Sleaker | jessie -> stretch? |
| 04:36.07 | ryouma | in my case, yes. dunno about unknown. |
| 04:37.09 | unknown | from jessie to stretch |
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| 04:44.45 | imkillroy | hello, how can i see the largest files in a directory? |
| 04:45.52 | Sleaker | imkillroy: the command you might be looking for is 'du' if you want to include directory sizes |
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| 04:46.06 | Sleaker | otherwise ls shows you file sizes |
| 04:46.31 | Sleaker | ls -s will sort by size. |
| 04:46.40 | imkillroy | perfect, thanks |
| 04:48.08 | ryouma | wc -c will also find file sizes quickly |
| 04:48.23 | ryouma | (and du can show files if you want) |
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| 04:50.33 | rant | there is also baobab a program so stupidly named its hard to remember what its called to even suggest it |
| 04:50.47 | rant | ,i baobab |
| 04:50.49 | judd | Package baobab (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: GNOME disk usage analyzer. Version: 3.22.1-1; Size: 371.5k; Installed: 1719k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Baobab; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/baobab |
| 04:51.29 | epsilon | ls -S not -s |
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| 05:03.36 | imkillroy | another question, ive already started a rclone copy command but id like to see the transfer speed etc, is there any way to do that from ssh shell? |
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| 05:04.46 | rant | I'd like my current move from my sata ssd to my usb3 hdd to not be snailing along at 1.5MB/s right now :P |
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| 05:08.03 | imkillroy | im only moving movies so im not as anxious xd, just wondering |
| 05:08.34 | rant | yeah well I'm plannning to leave soon and got a lot more crap in the queue |
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| 05:09.53 | ryouma | "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" but apt autoremove does not remove them |
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| 05:21.55 | seeker63 | is there a flight gear package for stretch |
| 05:22.38 | rant | ,v flightgear |
| 05:22.39 | judd | Package: flightgear on amd64 -- jessie-security: 3.0.0-5+deb8u1; jessie: 3.0.0-5+deb8u3; stretch: 1:2016.4.4+dfsg-3+deb9u1; sid: 1:2018.3.1+dfsg-1; buster: 1:2018.3.2+dfsg-2+b1 |
| 05:23.26 | seeker63 | ok sounds good thanks |
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| 05:35.44 | seeker63 | Sleaker; got t0 cleaning up and then through the same error select and install software failed |
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| 05:38.44 | seeker63 | Sleaker: wow did as you suggested and syslog has a lot in it |
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| 05:42.18 | Sleaker | seeker63: right, it has the full log of everything that's been going on |
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| 05:44.38 | seeker63 | Sleaker: so how do i tell what the last thing it did was |
| 05:46.07 | Sleaker | seeker63: it's at the end of the log file |
| 05:47.18 | seeker63 | Sleaker: ok in nano is there a easy way to get to bottom instead of down arrow key |
| 05:47.47 | Sleaker | seeker63: not sure, I use less for perusing files and end works |
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| 05:59.00 | seeker63 | Sleaker: Here are the last three lines -- main-menu[210]WARNING 88; configuring 'pkgsel' ailed with error code 1. main-menu[210]: warning **: Menu item 'pkgsel' failed. init: starting pid 189, tty '/dev/tty3': '-/bin/sh' |
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| 05:59.28 | seeker63 | Sleaker; so it looks like the pkgsel failed whatever that is |
| 06:01.36 | seeker63 | Sleaker: a little above these it has in-target: processing was halted because there were too many errors |
| 06:01.39 | Sleaker | seeker63: pkgsel is what installs stuff. you should scroll up for more errors |
| 06:01.58 | Sleaker | yup |
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| 06:04.50 | seeker63 | Sleaker: ok dpkg: error processing package printer-driver-ptouch which caused dpkg to stop because too many erroes |
| 06:05.13 | Sleaker | hmmm that's wierd |
| 06:05.20 | Sleaker | ,v printer-driver-ptouch |
| 06:05.21 | judd | Package: printer-driver-ptouch on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3-8; stretch: 1.4.2-2+b1; buster: 1.4.2-3; sid: 1.4.2-3 |
| 06:05.30 | Sleaker | what version? |
| 06:05.46 | Sleaker | might be a cascading issue caused because something else didn't install though. |
| 06:05.50 | Sleaker | what tasks did you select? |
| 06:06.52 | Sleaker | ah I have to head out. |
| 06:07.08 | seeker63 | Sleaker: it shows no version number and earlier it tried to install before python3 |
| 06:07.36 | seeker63 | sleaker: ok thanks for help i selected gnome print server and desktop |
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| 06:07.56 | seeker63 | maybe next go around i should leave off print server |
| 06:08.22 | seeker63 | good night one and all |
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| 06:30.06 | melissa666 | Anyone know what to make of this? --> https://imgur.com/a/FZnRxan ... Youtube video playback in Chromium is broken. Video playback works fine on other sites. Looking in JS console, I noticed that there is some notice about "HTML Imports" being deprecated in March 2019, and I'm guessing it's related to Debian using an ancient version of Chrome, but I don't know how to resolve. What should I do? |
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| 06:31.21 | melissa666 | ... I should say, btw - it's not broken on all videos on Youtube either. Youtube is the only site I've experienced this on so far though. |
| 06:32.07 | melissa666 | When I say playback is "broken", I mean it just indefinitely hangs with the error message shown in the screencap about "try restarting your device if it doesn't start playing" |
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| 07:02.19 | martin-_-_ | morning |
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| 07:44.17 | martin-_-_ | I got a sparc32. So I can't use Debian Stretch ? |
| 07:44.50 | Sleaker | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch#Architectures |
| 07:46.04 | Sleaker | martin-_-_: the debian wiki states that sparc isn't even currently supported in the linux kernel |
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| 07:46.56 | Sleaker | martin-_-_: so uh, that's a big no |
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| 07:50.27 | martin-_-_ | Sleaker I'm switching to Wheezy ? |
| 07:50.41 | martin-_-_ | currently doesn't find Wheezy apt.sources⦠|
| 07:51.12 | Sleaker | https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc32 |
| 07:51.15 | martin-_-_ | trying to install Debian wheezy with debootstrap |
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| 07:51.40 | Sleaker | martin-_-_: wiki says it hasn't been supported since 1999 |
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| 07:51.49 | Sleaker | looks like you're 2 decades behind |
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| 07:54.10 | pie3 | anyone having experience with imap stuffs? |
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| 07:55.34 | martin-_-_ | Sleaker where do I find the apt.sources for Etch ? |
| 07:55.59 | jelly | !ado |
| 07:55.59 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 07:56.04 | jelly | martin-_-_: ^ |
| 07:56.23 | martin-_-_ | I'm trying to figure out which URL OF Debian Mirro I should use mentioned here https://linuxconfig.org/install-debian-server-in-a-linux-chroot-environment |
| 07:57.23 | jelly | that'd probably be http://archive.debian.org/debian |
| 07:58.10 | martin-_-_ | $CHROOT http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/ should be fine jelly? |
| 07:58.35 | jelly | ,v chromium |
| 07:58.36 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; sid: 72.0.3626.53-1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1 |
| 07:59.15 | jelly | melissa666: 73 isn't that old, which debian release is this? |
| 08:01.49 | jelly | martin-_-_: fine for what? |
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| 08:02.12 | jelly | martin-_-_: debootstrap? |
| 08:02.35 | jelly | martin-_-_: http://archive.debian.org/debian |
| 08:02.53 | jelly | just that |
| 08:03.13 | martin-_-_ | thanks jelly. I'm also not sure debootstrap --arch sparc or debootstrap --arch sparc32? |
| 08:03.31 | jelly | sparc |
| 08:04.22 | martin-_-_ | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch :/ |
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| 08:04.50 | martin-_-_ | it only contains: potato sarge sarge.buildd sid sid.buildd slink woody woody.buildd |
| 08:05.06 | jelly | you will want to get a newer debootstrap. |
| 08:06.00 | martin-_-_ | well, I could uninstall depbootstrap and install the debootstrap from etch |
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| 08:07.04 | jelly | no need to uninstall, just get a newer one (from stretch or sid) and install that |
| 08:08.18 | martin-_-_ | How can I do that? jelly |
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| 08:09.34 | martin-_-_ | got it https://packages.debian.org/stretch/debootstrap |
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| 08:09.55 | jelly | there's a download link down |
| 08:10.45 | jelly | Architecture [all], actually a link to pick where to download from |
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| 08:11.57 | jelly | it is however possible that .deb is too new format to be installable with sarge/etch version of dpkg |
| 08:12.05 | Sleaker | probably is |
| 08:12.26 | martin-_-_ | https://paste.debian.net/1077537/ :'( |
| 08:12.52 | martin-_-_ | how do I get this debian-archive-keyring.gpg ? |
| 08:14.08 | jelly | it comes with in the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 08:14.35 | martin-_-_ | thx |
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| 08:15.14 | jelly | you'll want to get one older than jessie, probably |
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| 08:20.07 | martin-_-_ | I can't find any packages for wheezly on this deban package page. The oldest is jessie for debian-archive-keyring |
| 08:21.30 | jelly | no, you wouldn't, wheezy is archived as well |
| 08:21.46 | jelly | so you'd have to get it from archive.d.o as well :-) |
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| 08:27.57 | martin-_-_ | hm this page doesn't work at all https://historical.packages.debian.org/ |
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| 08:29.17 | martin-_-_ | and in http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/ I don't find any .deb packages |
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| 08:40.42 | jelly | the packages are in a pool structure, separate from repo metadata. |
| 08:40.45 | jelly | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/ |
| 08:42.27 | martin-_-_ | I can't install anything anymore E: The package debian-archive-keyring needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. :/ |
| 08:42.41 | jelly | that's not the first error you got. |
| 08:42.52 | jelly | can you show the whole output |
| 08:43.04 | jelly | and the command line user |
| 08:43.07 | jelly | used* |
| 08:43.52 | martin-_-_ | I'll try a factory reset |
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| 08:57.17 | shtrb | will tls 1.2 be deprecated in buster ? |
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| 09:02.11 | jelly | shtrb: that's the main ssl/tls protocol right now. It will likely stay with us for a decade or so more |
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| 09:03.32 | shtrb | Thank you ! jelly |
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| 09:11.15 | Ingvix | Hey, does anyone know of a flexible bittorrent client with webui that can at least let me rename the files I download? Better even if it lets me edit the torrents internal directory tree |
| 09:13.33 | Ingvix | I've used qbittorrent but it's webui doesn't let as extensive editing as the normal gui and just tested transmission but it's even simpler |
| 09:14.00 | at0m | Ingvix: transmission runs as backend, and there's quite some frontends for it. gtk, web, mobile.. |
| 09:14.07 | at0m | ok |
| 09:14.22 | Ingvix | yeah... |
| 09:14.44 | Ingvix | at least I didn't find a way to rename the torrent's file contents |
| 09:14.57 | Ingvix | in transmission |
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| 10:35.08 | martin-_-_ | jelly I'm one step further https://paste.debian.net/1077552/ |
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| 10:39.57 | martin-_-_ | chroot /c/etch mount -t proc proc /proc Illegal instruction |
| 10:40.03 | martin-_-_ | :O |
| 10:40.27 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.11 | shtrb | Is that windows ? |
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| 10:45.34 | martin-_-_ | no shtrb |
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| 10:52.11 | jelly | martin-_-_: does a simple chroot /c/etch /bin/sh work? |
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| 10:52.47 | jelly | martin-_-_: what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 11:10.25 | martin-_-_ | jelly Linux fes-a120d19nas 2.6.17.14ReadyNAS #1 Wed Jun 20 20:08:20 PDT 2012 padre GNU/Linux |
| 11:10.39 | martin-_-_ | chroot /c/etch /bin/sh resulted also in an illegal instruction |
| 11:12.14 | jelly | martin-_-_: and "cat /proc/cpuinfo"? |
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| 11:12.41 | jelly | it's possible debian 4 simply does not support your cpu |
| 11:13.42 | jelly | (that is, the cpu in that NAS box is older sparc architecture and missing some otherwise common part of the instruction set) |
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| 11:16.32 | martin-_-_ | jelly thats odd. |
| 11:16.47 | martin-_-_ | When I compile the programs from source I use build=sparc-linux |
| 11:17.29 | jelly | there were 4-5 generations of 32bit sparc cpus |
| 11:17.53 | martin-_-_ | https://paste.debian.net/1077559/ |
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| 11:21.40 | jelly | martin-_-_: you might be stuck with sarge or there are other workarounds in place, try to set up a sarge chroot and see if that works |
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| 11:23.54 | jelly | google results for that cpuinfo show only one particular NAS vendor |
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| 11:30.40 | jelly | if a clean sarge chroot also fails with illegal instruction, that might mean the vendor has custom fixes in other places (libc6 maybe) |
| 11:31.03 | martin-_-_ | jelly yes. as far as I know this nas model is the only one which exists |
| 11:31.34 | martin-_-_ | jelly that makes sense. there exists a custom libc6 for this model |
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| 11:33.02 | martin-_-_ | so I would need to copy this libc6 to the /c/etch ⦠I think I stopp here. its stumble from one workaround to another |
| 11:33.15 | martin-_-_ | I guess I stick by compiling stuff from source |
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| 13:21.26 | GNU_xormor | my hardware is a bit outdated. should I avoid "stretch-backports"? |
| 13:23.02 | GNU_xormor | the "debian stable" repos run fine with my integrated graphics hardware. it is NVidia GeForce. I have an intel Corei3 desktop computer, black, with "ASUS" printed on the front panel. |
| 13:23.23 | Tom-_ | did you say an i3 was outdated |
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| 13:23.51 | Tom-_ | i have a core 2 duo running Debian stretch now, with 1 GB of RAM. i haven't tried stretch backports on it, but i think it won't hurt |
| 13:24.10 | yuastnav | hey |
| 13:24.22 | yuastnav | since owncloud is not available on debian what is everyone using? |
| 13:24.27 | yuastnav | what's a good alternative |
| 13:24.34 | Tom-_ | (although the 1 GB of RAM really does limit things) |
| 13:24.44 | GNU_xormor | the stretch-backports tried to install new graphics drivers that are not supported by my hardware so it asked me if I wanted to keep the old drivers. I said "keep the old graphics drivers". later I installed the other than nouveau, something called "legacy 3004x" or something. the graphics seem to work almost properly, except sometimes KDE has glitches. has always had with all systems I have used. |
| 13:25.58 | GNU_xormor | Tom-_, my core i3 is from 2013 Spring, it is now 2019 spring - 6 years old. maybe in about 4-5 years my hardware will be antique. |
| 13:26.32 | Tom-_ | my imac is antique, and i still say Debian stretch would run on it fine if it had a little more RAM |
| 13:26.55 | Tom-_ | i suppose there is not much speed difference in the backports packages |
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| 13:31.52 | GNU_xormor | Tom-_, our computers are so-called "general purpose computers". I remember when I was a child in the 1990's, I was a teenager, we had first 4MB of RAM and then 8MB of RAM. Gol dang that is antique. Now we have at least 1GB, could have 4GB or even more. the systems we ran in the beginning of 1990's often supported 32 bit architecture and were it, but the MS-DOS limited it to 16 bits unless an extension program was used. 32 bit is now outdated, we |
| 13:31.52 | GNU_xormor | have 64 bit, have had for about 10 years now. I am a 38-year-old man, I am living my "midlife". |
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| 13:35.52 | GNU_xormor | Tom-_, we ran the real mode often, and there used to be HIMEM.SYS and EMS386.EXE or EMM386.EXE, don't remember that well. those computers are retro now and belong into a retro collection or a computer museum. the cell phones are now very advanced, it is of the "old times" using a desktop or laptop computer. now people just play games or run GNU/Linux on them, or MacOS. I think my cell phone is more advanced, it is an Android cell phone, Samsung, |
| 13:35.52 | GNU_xormor | than my desktop computer - an ASUS intel core i3 with NVidia GeForce etc. the cell phones are also "general purpose computers" now. |
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| 13:37.02 | EdePopede | not really. too small display and crappy keyboards |
| 13:37.18 | Tom-_ | okay xormer that was interesting, but please take the stories to #debian-offtopic :) they only want help questions in here |
| 13:37.20 | Tom-_ | no problem |
| 13:37.22 | GNU_xormor | the advantage of a desktop computer is the keyboard, the mouse and the big screen. otherwise I could always and only use just a cell phone, or a tablet (yuck). |
| 13:37.23 | EdePopede | unless you attach something external |
| 13:37.55 | GNU_xormor | ok, #debian-offtopic is it. thanks. |
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| 13:40.08 | EdePopede | but is there a rule of thumb when it would be time to get some newer hardware for debian? or is it all mostly about the usual specs? ram and cpu mostly. |
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| 13:41.31 | djp_ | is it possible to set an environment variable in a desktop shortcut? if i launch a program from the cli like so, "MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.2 MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=150 higan" it opens and convinces higan that it is using the correct version of opengl. however, adding the same command to launcher properties under edit menus of my gnome desktop fails. |
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| 13:52.12 | synaps3 | djp_, try adding it simply as a command before real program name |
| 13:52.30 | synaps3 | ENV_VAR=VAL; program |
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| 13:55.18 | jelly | djp_, put "env " in front of that command line, env MESA... higan |
| 13:55.49 | djp_ | synaps3: nope. doesn't work. |
| 13:56.38 | djp_ | jelly: thank you. :) |
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| 14:37.35 | sudoquai | i would like to make an rsync job which includes ONLY hidden files and directories with grsync - what to do ? |
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| 15:07.34 | fijidrummerboii | Does a lowlatency kernel exist for Debian as it would on Ubuntu Studio? I can't find one and I can't get the sources from Ubuntu either with apt-get source linux-image-lowlatency |
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| 15:08.12 | fijidrummerboii | I need a lowlatency kernel specifically for Stretch |
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| 15:11.34 | SwedeMike | fijidrummerboii: and the realtime kernel isn't enough? |
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| 15:12.03 | SwedeMike | fijidrummerboii: http://www.friendlyvirus.org/miguelnegrao/2016/04/12/debian-getting-a-lowlatency-kernel/ talks about this |
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| 15:12.38 | fijidrummerboii | Well I've heard problems about the realtime kernel interfering with desktop usage |
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| 15:14.25 | fijidrummerboii | And is the realtime really better than a lowlatency kernel? It's pretty unstable from what I've heard |
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| 15:20.02 | tomreyn | fijidrummerboii: for ubuntu it'd be something like 'sudo apt install linux-buildinfo-4.18.0-17-lowlatency' - dpkg -L for it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wb227dnfVT/ |
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| 15:48.11 | wr | why all those iso's on Desktop Environments, ain't it possible on one iso choose any available DE? |
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| 15:50.42 | n4dir | it is. |
| 15:50.54 | n4dir | probably for the ones who install without internet connection. |
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| 16:38.30 | jhutchins | fijidrummerboii: You could install both the realtime and the standard kernel. Use the standard as your default for desktop usage, the realtime when you need that specific character. |
| 16:39.46 | jhutchins | I think there's probably not much difference between the Debian realtime and the Ubuntu low-latency. More a matter of terminology. |
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| 16:44.50 | jhutchins | I never went quite that far down the audio road, but it would have been the next step. We're not great at Ubuntu/Debian comparisons, we tend to use Debian pretty consistently. |
| 16:46.00 | jhutchins | I can tell you that the lag of the standard kernel means it really doesn't work in audio studio settings. |
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| 18:54.02 | Somelauw | Can I see if all my packages are from stable or if I have a frankendebian? |
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| 18:55.01 | Somelauw | and which of chroot, flatpack and snappy is the better alternative? |
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| 18:59.28 | tristero | Somelauw: " aptitude search '~S~i!~Odebian' " will show you packages that are installed but not from Debian (some may have been from Debian but no longer ...). Then you can do "apt-cache policy" or "apt-cache show" on them to find out more |
| 19:00.06 | Somelauw | tristero: thanks, but hard to remember that command |
| 19:00.37 | tristero | yes, aptitude search is a complicated sub-language all its own, I have it jotted down in a cribsheet file |
| 19:01.05 | Somelauw | i also still use apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt or aptitude |
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| 19:01.49 | tristero | same, I only use aptitude for these kinds of queries, not as a pkg mgmt tool |
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| 19:03.42 | kreyren | anyone knows why is dkms beeing triggered? http://dpaste.com/383GTT9 i'm using custom kernel so patching is not needed |
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| 19:04.58 | Somelauw | tristero: that query yields quite a lot of results for me. A lot of them are libreoffice and texlive packages, but also some libs. |
| 19:05.25 | Somelauw | Some of them start with A and some don't |
| 19:06.52 | tristero | A = automatically installed IIRC. And you'll get false positives if you've done an apt-get update but not an upgrade recently, if the installed version has been superseded |
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| 19:25.07 | nedstark | is there a channel for the firefox packagers |
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| 19:25.53 | jhutchins | nedstark: Mozilla, inc. |
| 19:25.56 | nedstark | we're looking to dump firefox for palemoon and would like to know of any issues debian had |
| 19:26.22 | nedstark | packagers, not the project itself |
| 19:26.34 | booyah | thinks dumping firefox sounds like a good idea, it's about time |
| 19:26.59 | jhutchins | nedstark: You could see if there's anything in the BTS. |
| 19:27.32 | nedstark | ok i'll check that |
| 19:27.41 | jhutchins | nedstark: I would think that would be the main way the packagers found out about problems. |
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| 19:37.13 | nedstark | appears no major issues with palemoon. we're going to it, because it's become clear firefox and google are joined at the hip when they both banned an extension on the same day |
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| 19:40.28 | nedstark | mozilla's also not released their irs form 990 in a few years, so we wonder who's paying for them now |
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| 19:44.06 | wald0 | why is 'netsurf' package not available in buster? |
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| 19:45.10 | rpifan | i need a backup solution that is simple allows for partial restores and isnt rsync any ideas |
| 19:46.26 | diogenes_ | rpifan, dejadup |
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| 19:48.00 | rpifan | ive installed it but it wont let me select the files i want to resstore |
| 19:48.50 | mynickname | ? |
| 19:49.21 | mynickname | hey |
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| 19:52.29 | wald0 | rpifan: i use unison for years, is not exactly a backup but a sync tool among different computers / disks, with bidirectional / merging features |
| 19:52.38 | wald0 | maybe its a bit different to what you are searching for |
| 19:52.42 | rpifan | hm |
| 19:52.46 | rpifan | just simple ness |
| 19:52.50 | rpifan | click and select |
| 19:53.15 | wald0 | that is (giving you much more control, instead of click to full sync) |
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| 19:53.36 | jhutchins | rpifan: What's wrong with rsync? |
| 19:55.38 | rpifan | it doesnt work |
| 19:55.44 | rpifan | it puts files back into the drive |
| 19:55.46 | rpifan | instead of the external drive |
| 19:55.50 | rpifan | and then redoes the stuff |
| 19:55.53 | rpifan | idk its just a mess |
| 19:56.02 | jhutchins | Yer doin' it wrong. |
| 19:57.19 | jhutchins | I use rsync all the time. We synchronize files across three different NFS systems, move files around from server to server, synchronize CMS systems, etc. |
| 19:57.48 | wald0 | rsync is da best! |
| 19:57.58 | jhutchins | rpifan: So I would say one task would be to figure out how to use rsync properly, but you might also look at rdiff backup. |
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| 19:58.31 | rpifan | i just want point and click |
| 19:58.35 | rpifan | and then return point and click |
| 19:59.20 | jhutchins | What about when the reason you need to restore is because the GUI is broken? |
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| 20:22.37 | skyfighter | Good afternoon guys. |
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| 20:26.37 | EdePopede | jhutchins: anything with ncurses? |
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| 20:31.07 | rpifan | i dont ever need that |
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| 20:33.13 | jhutchins | EdePopede: I think the console-based solutions are such high quality there hasn't been any motivation to develop a GUI version, or even a wrapper, but I probably wouldn't know if there was one. |
| 20:34.25 | BazookaTooth | grsync will save your last profile but like jhutchins mentioned, you need to fix your rsync command |
| 20:34.42 | jhutchins | rpifan: If tthat's what you're really looking for, why not just use your file browser? |
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| 20:35.38 | EdePopede | jhutchins: as a heavy user of mc (and former user of aptitude) i found out i have two reasons: 1) i don't have to remember hundreds of switches for dozens of tools 2) i get the data nicely prepared, even without asking for it. doing shell only sometimes is a real fight :> |
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| 20:38.33 | jhutchins | rpifan: Here: https://www.tecmint.com/linux-system-backup-tools/ |
| 20:39.46 | jhutchins | Clonezilla might have a GUI wrapper. |
| 20:40.06 | jhutchins | It at least has menu-based options. |
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| 20:52.00 | jhutchins | That link I posted has a bunch of what appear to be GUI interfaces, so I guess "I wouldn't know" is true. |
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| 21:17.13 | rant | I'd like to have an OSD of keypress/mouse clicks suitable for screencasting how-to type videos, do we have a utility for this or should I just hack something together? |
| 21:17.47 | rant | what I mean specifically is something rather unobstructing but obvious and graphical |
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| 21:20.21 | EdePopede | rant: i'd rather record them and overlay the video later, so you could remove typos before upload. and there's a tool for this iirc, i remember a site where you can upload content from text terminals. |
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| 21:21.19 | rant | yeah I dont want to do editing unless I have to, I rather have a real-time OSD |
| 21:21.20 | EdePopede | asciinema |
| 21:21.37 | rant | main concern is things that aren't obvious like left/right click |
| 21:21.50 | EdePopede | i think you could fork the stream and have an optional live overlay |
| 21:21.50 | rant | typing is obvious you can most often see echoing on the screen |
| 21:22.15 | rant | ideally such a program wouldnt even show typing already echoed.. but only stuff like MM keys, shortcuts using modifiers, and clicks |
| 21:22.20 | EdePopede | was this growing circle around the cursor on click a windows thing? |
| 21:22.45 | rant | idk but that wouldnt tell if its a left or a right click |
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| 21:23.41 | EdePopede | the keyboard part could be solved by looking at the code it provides. if it is printable, don't show it |
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| 21:24.32 | rant | well this key-mon is in debian it seems and this showkey is available via pip |
| 21:24.36 | rant | ,i key-mon |
| 21:24.37 | judd | Package key-mon (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Utility to show live keyboard and mouse status. Version: 1.17-1; Size: 86.9k; Installed: 2763k; Homepage: https://code.google.com/p/key-mon; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/key-mon |
| 21:24.48 | rant | so I'll check this one out first |
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| 21:26.12 | rant | yes the keymon seems to be sufficient |
| 21:27.06 | EdePopede | ,v screenkey |
| 21:27.07 | judd | Package: screenkey on amd64 -- jessie: 0.2-2; stretch: 0.2-2; buster: 0.9-2; sid: 0.9-2 |
| 21:27.12 | rant | rather small OSD has 4 elements a mouse showing left/right/middle/scroll, a shift/ctrl/alt modifiers and the 4th one just shows last key pressed that isnt a mouse button or modifier |
| 21:27.14 | EdePopede | ,i screenkey |
| 21:27.15 | judd | Package screenkey (python, extra) in stretch/amd64: screencast tool to display your keystrokes. Version: 0.2-2; Size: 10.9k; Installed: 110k; Homepage: http://pabloseminario.com/projects/screenkey/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/screenkey |
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| 21:28.12 | Somelauw | I have gcc-4.8, gcc-4.8 and gcc-6, are they outdated, can I remove these? |
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| 21:28.44 | Somelauw | Just linux linux-header-4.19 packages? |
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| 21:29.08 | Somelauw | Or openjdk 8-9-10-jdk/jre? |
| 21:29.09 | rant | EdePopede: yeah that one is crap.. shows a bar across the entire horizontal of the screen echoing chars on a line but does nothing for mouse or modifiers.. its both obstructing and uninformative.. |
| 21:29.19 | rant | EdePopede: the key-mon seems good enough |
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| 21:32.05 | Somelauw | apt-get remove should have a wildcard option |
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| 21:35.03 | Somelauw | well, it exists but maybe regex matching is too unsafe for me |
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| 21:37.06 | LilUFO | any idea on the state of raven ridge apus working under debian testing? |
| 21:37.39 | LilUFO | I had the latest testing packages and correct firmware, and I couldn't get X to start |
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| 21:40.14 | paul` | hi |
| 21:43.19 | rant | LilUFO: not even remotely the right place or the right question.. I know what a raven, a ridge, and a pus is.. but nfc what "raven ridge apus" is, and debian testing is supported on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next |
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| 21:44.27 | LilUFO | ah okay, sorry about that, sorry to cause any trouble I'll check out debian next |
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| 21:44.49 | rant | LilUFO: when you use acronyms with a plural you shoule say APUs so people know what you mean |
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| 22:09.28 | jhutchins | Auxilliary Power Units? |
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| 22:14.05 | EdePopede | isn't this that gpu on cpu thing or what it was? |
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| 22:22.38 | jelly | rant: at some point we have to start supporting buster in here, probably before the release date |
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| 22:38.00 | abrotman | jelly: now seems like a fine time .. |
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| 22:49.03 | at0m | update the factoids to make that official? |
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| 22:49.29 | dvs | buster is released?!/ |
| 22:49.35 | at0m | isnt |
| 22:49.41 | dvs | damn! |
| 22:50.16 | at0m | not as in "has moved to stable" |
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| 22:52.06 | dvs | dammit! |
| 22:52.09 | dvs | !wwbr |
| 22:52.10 | dpkg | Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html . Remember that Debian releases come out when they are ready, and arrive sooner, if you help ;) |
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| 22:53.26 | imkillroy | hello, does anyone know what i could do to fix znc web admin timing out on my vps? im able to connect to it via my client but not the web admin |
| 22:53.36 | imkillroy | netstat -tunlp shows znc listening on 4241 |
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| 23:00.45 | imkillroy | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:4242 - how can i add another rule like this to iptables for 4241? |
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| 23:13.09 | rant | jelly: yes I had considered that |
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| 23:20.50 | jelly | imkillroy: "iptables -S" output might be ncier to figure out command lines. |
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| 23:38.30 | gregor2 | I changed the file permissions of the home directory of a user now public key authentication for ssh does not work anymore. |
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| 23:40.08 | tomreyn | sound slike you changed them incorrectly, if this wasnt intended to happen. |
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| 23:41.52 | zerocool | hi there. anyone know how i can test if a folder is linked to somewhere else? |
| 23:43.16 | MrSelfDestruct | zerocool: Do you mean if the directory itself is a link or if there are links pointing toward the same directory? |
| 23:43.21 | zerocool | like i want to delete a dir in /opt , i want to make sure it isn't the target of a symlink |
| 23:44.27 | zerocool | a symbolic link might point to a directory, i only know the directory, i want to make sure there isn't a symlink pointing to it |
| 23:45.59 | MrSelfDestruct | zerocool: From what I remember and have found, it's very hard to see if a symlink actually points to somewhere (meaning you have to check all links on the system to see if they match). This link I found has the beginning of what can become a script to test if somewhere points to what you're looking at: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/192294/how-to-verify-the-target-of-a-symbolic-link-points-toward-a-particular-path |
| 23:53.15 | jelly | zerocool: find all symlinks, run readlink -f on each, see if it points to your destination |
| 23:54.12 | zerocool | i was hoping there was an easier way but if there's not that's quite alright |
| 23:54.15 | zerocool | thanks guys! |
| 23:55.43 | jelly | oh, that's what Mr. Self Destruct said already, sorry |
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| 23:56.35 | zerocool | its all good :) |
| 23:56.45 | zerocool | the more the people say the same thing the more i believe it |
| 23:57.05 | jelly | that's literally how propaganda works |