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| 00:14.19 | wildEMU | Is it a bad idea to change a mount points ownership? chown /mnt_mydevice |
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| 00:18.14 | abrotman | guess he didn't care that much |
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| 00:35.07 | imkillroy | does anyone really care about anything? |
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| 00:35.59 | jelly | yes. |
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| 00:42.59 | jelly | ^^coyotebot: if you're really a bot, be advised this channel does not allow unapproved bots. |
| 00:43.25 | ^^coyotebot | nope |
| 00:43.30 | ^^coyotebot | not bot |
| 00:43.40 | jelly | that's what a bot would say. |
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| 00:44.03 | whatevernotbot | dystopic nightmare #5251 |
| 00:44.52 | jelly | pretty much! /me moves on |
| 00:46.01 | whatevernotbot | :P |
| 00:47.16 | whatevernotbot | sorry i am just really tired of securityness. that's not why i had that name, but it's why i didn't exactly react with rosy perfume |
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| 00:47.43 | whatevernotbot | thanks for understanding, jelly |
| 00:47.52 | whatevernotbot | g2g though. catch some daylight. |
| 00:47.53 | whatevernotbot | night |
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| 02:39.56 | ryouma | the grey on blue with red text thing -- can it be changed? debcofn colors. |
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| 02:41.55 | LinuxNoob1111 | help |
| 02:42.00 | LinuxNoob1111 | I need help with debian install |
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| 02:42.02 | dvs | !ask |
| 02:42.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:42.30 | LinuxNoob1111 | I'm attempting to install the latest Debian with non-free firmware included. I have a GTX 950 in my machine. When I go to start the |
| 02:42.31 | LinuxNoob1111 | OS |
| 02:42.34 | LinuxNoob1111 | for the first time |
| 02:42.55 | LinuxNoob1111 | It gives me bullshit /dev/sda1: clean, X/X files, X/X Blocks |
| 02:43.13 | LinuxNoob1111 | Plz help |
| 02:44.44 | LinuxNoob1111 | Is anyone gonna help??? |
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| 02:47.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 03:01.51 | dodobrain_ | hi all. |
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| 03:47.20 | jim | hi, tried to install a package,,, I think it got installed, but the output had some unusual stuff in it... https://termbin.com/ya0m |
| 03:47.37 | jim | !bat |
| 03:47.38 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 03:48.02 | jim | so that's the complete output of the package install |
| 03:50.07 | jim | https://termbin.com/0zlf |
| 03:52.50 | jim | https://termbin.com/sj7k |
| 03:53.08 | jim | that's 1, 2 and 3 in order |
| 03:54.37 | jim | if someone's around to look at that stuff, I'd appreciate it... hilite me in order to reply |
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| 04:21.36 | marz | What's the difference between using cron-apt and just setting it manually on crontab? |
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| 04:22.40 | jmcnaught | jim: It doesn't look like an apt/dpkg problem but an issue with grub and LVM, probably safe to ignore. This answer also links to a Debian BTS report: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/212958/grub-install-file-descriptor-3-leaked-on-vgs-invocation |
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| 04:42.02 | magic_ninja | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.06 | magic_ninja | What does that even mean >.< |
| 04:42.21 | magic_ninja | I get that they want to know how much of the total mass is going to be primary alpha. |
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| 04:42.27 | magic_ninja | But I'm not sure how to just get the primary alpha |
| 04:42.33 | magic_ninja | Sorry, wrong channel |
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| 04:47.08 | jim | jmcnaught, thanks for looking :) should I reinstall grub? |
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| 06:38.27 | ephemer0l | https://twitter.com/MashiRafael/status/1116334415096025089 |
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| 06:43.21 | themill | ephemer0l: not actually relevant to #debian btw |
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| 07:53.37 | tya99 | it seems nobody was able to answer my question on the mailing list re (correct way to install certificates) https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/04/msg00585.html |
| 07:53.40 | tya99 | i'd really rather some system wide way that's not like my script here https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/04/msg00591.html |
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| 08:27.33 | tp43_ | You know, I switched from xfce4 to Gnome desktop. And the screen saver didn't work. So I installed and would use xscreensaver instead. Xscreensaver is set to blank screen. When the screen goes blank, the monitor doesn't turn off. I am pretty sure with xfce4, the monitors used to turn off by the screen saver. |
| 08:30.09 | diogenes_ | because xfce rocks! |
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| 11:59.11 | OS-007 | Hey all, I've recently installed Debian 9 in Vbox. The left applications bar is missing though, and I can't find the setting to make it stick there w/o me having everytime to click on "Activities" button for it to appear. Please where is that setting? |
| 12:00.08 | OS-007 | I didn't find it neither in "Tweaks" nor in "Settings" |
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| 12:11.06 | PipeItToDevNull | Hello, I have an AD managing users on my debian boxes. When I modify the groups for a user and do `id` in debian I do not see these updates. How can I get Debian to see an up to date group list? |
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| 12:23.31 | petn-randall | PipeItToDevNull: Is it from the logged in user? |
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| 12:25.32 | PipeItToDevNull | I cannot log in with the user because it needs to be in a specific group |
| 12:26.03 | PipeItToDevNull | I do try to auth with the user, and get denied because of the group issue petn-randall |
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| 12:37.16 | cryptodan | how can being in a user group prevent logging in? |
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| 12:39.36 | petn-randall | PipeItToDevNull: I'm asking because groups are assigned at login of a session, and don't ever get updated after that. |
| 12:39.58 | petn-randall | PipeItToDevNull: But I'm guessing that you're checking it from another account with `id <foo>`. |
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| 12:39.59 | PipeItToDevNull | cryptodan, We use the PAM_ListFile to use groups |
| 12:40.14 | PipeItToDevNull | petn-randall, I am |
| 12:42.26 | PipeItToDevNull | First auth for a user would build the group cache, but subsequent auths do not trigger a re-check. Is there any way to dump that cache for force an update? |
| 12:42.37 | PipeItToDevNull | cache or force* |
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| 12:45.05 | cryptodan | each time the user logins it should check to see if they are part of any new groups |
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| 12:48.42 | PipeItToDevNull | cryptodan, but the user cannot login without that update |
| 12:49.09 | cryptodan | what are the errors in auth.log |
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| 13:08.03 | wald0 | why a package could be not included in a debian branch (buster actually) ? but available in other ones |
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| 13:09.02 | themill | because it's not suitable for release in buster |
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| 13:11.38 | wald0 | themill: i dont understand why... i just checked the list of bugs and doesn't has any "important" one |
| 13:11.51 | wald0 | actually im looking for "netsurf-gtk" |
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| 13:12.16 | JohnA | I am rebuild a server, the original had each partition (folder, directory) setup as a separate raid. Is this "good" practice or would it be better to use raid (soft or hard) at the physical level? |
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| 13:15.20 | themill | wald0: #867694 and #911600 |
| 13:15.30 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/867694 in netsurf-fb (open): «netsurf-fb: Completely unusable due to missing dependencies, symlinks and documentation»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-07-08; last modified: 2017-07-16. |
| 13:16.37 | wald0 | hum, i was looking for netsurf-gtk but aparently the problem for it is in netsurf-fb? |
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| 13:16.48 | themill | it's the same source package |
| 13:17.16 | wald0 | on these cases, what would be the best option to actually install the package in buster? adding the stretch repo too ? |
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| 13:20.14 | PipeItToDevNull | cryptodan, the error is that login is denied based on PAM_listfile |
| 13:21.13 | themill | wald0: just at the moment, the package in sid is probably better. It's not really a sustainable position though |
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| 13:24.18 | wald0 | hum... these mixed dependencies... im always scared to mix repo branches :) |
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| 13:27.02 | OpenVms | Did anyone know how to dual boot clover with grub? |
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| 13:28.23 | mba | hello all |
| 13:28.33 | mba | i need help |
| 13:28.46 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:28.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:29.31 | cryptodan | PipeItToDevNull: you may want to look at your configuration file for allowed actions |
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| 13:29.39 | mba | i install expressvpn on my system. when ever i connect to a server, i lose the internet (except the connection to the vpn) |
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| 13:31.05 | ayekat | mba: please elaborate on "lose the internet" |
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| 13:31.48 | mba | i can not browse any website nor ping. if i disconnect the vpn. things goes back to normal. |
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| 13:32.59 | petn-randall | mba: On which OS is this? |
| 13:33.22 | mba | parrot os. which is running on Debian. |
| 13:33.50 | greycat | !parrotos |
| 13:33.51 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 13:34.24 | mba | ok. thank you |
| 13:34.52 | petn-randall | mba: Neither Parrot nor expressvpn are related to Debian. You might have some luck in the channel above. ^^^ Else I'd contact the expressvpn support. |
| 13:35.22 | mba | i did contact express vpn. but they could not do anything |
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| 13:35.35 | mba | i will try parrotsec channel |
| 13:35.42 | themill | (might be worth asking the vpn people how to set your default route correctly) |
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| 13:37.01 | mzajc | I have a problem with using secure boot on Debian (Buster, up to date). I have all the signed packages, but grubx64.efi won't boot in secure boot, reason being that it is not signed with a valid certificate. I remember reading somewhere that Microsoft has 2 CA certificates and that the one used to sign non-windows stuff is optional for manufacturers to include. Could this have been caused by that certificate missing or is there soething else |
| 13:37.03 | mzajc | that I'm missing? |
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| 13:37.22 | wald0 | does the FGLRX packages stopped to exist? |
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| 13:38.36 | greycat | dpkg fglrx |
| 13:38.37 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead. |
| 13:39.58 | wald0 | yeah, "wheezy" & "jessie" details, but nothing about stretch or higher (actually interested on buster) |
| 13:40.49 | greycat | Is the radeon driver failing in some way? |
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| 13:42.10 | wald0 | i dont know yet (not tested), just searching how the fgrlx driver used in the past is supported now |
| 13:42.46 | greycat | It's not. |
| 13:42.50 | greycat | It never has been. |
| 13:42.52 | themsay | I'm setting up Debian for C programming, but I'm getting unknown character on gnome-terminal. What could be the issue I have set system wide locale to en_US.UTF-8 and terminal unicode to utf-8. Any idea what could be issue? |
| 13:42.55 | wald0 | smells that buster is going to be a very good release |
| 13:43.22 | greycat | themsay: perhaps you need to install more fonts, or perhaps this character is simply beyond your terminal's ability to handle |
| 13:43.34 | wald0 | greycat: so you mean that those people that strictly required in the past the fglrx driver, will not have graphical system working in buster? |
| 13:43.52 | greycat | fglrx is proprietary and has never been supported by Debian. |
| 13:44.18 | wald0 | confused |
| 13:44.28 | petn-randall | wald0: About what? |
| 13:44.53 | themsay | greycat: Do you know the font name or package? |
| 13:45.02 | wald0 | petn-randall: so i think that fglrx was available on the repos (?), non-free at least |
| 13:45.07 | greycat | How could I possibly know? You never said which character it is. |
| 13:45.08 | petn-randall | wald0: fglrx has never been supported in Debian, but was packaged in non-free in the past. AMD is building FOSS drivers for their newer graphics cards which makes using fglrx obsolete. |
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| 13:45.32 | wald0 | themsay: which window-manager? |
| 13:45.55 | petn-randall | In the past = 5 years ago, in jessie |
| 13:46.12 | themsay | wald0: xfce |
| 13:46.14 | greycat | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 13:46.16 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2 |
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| 13:46.38 | wald0 | petn-randall: ok, this makes sense, but "newer graphic cards" means that it only will work with newer ones but not with the ones that needed -that- fglrx driver it in the past? (old cards) |
| 13:47.00 | themsay | greycat: The character look like boxes |
| 13:47.05 | petn-randall | wald0: Well, if you have a 10+ years old graphics card, yes, it might not work. |
| 13:47.30 | greycat | themsay: you have to find out what character it is. Get the Unicode code point, or the raw bytes, or tell us how you produced the character. |
| 13:47.33 | wald0 | themsay: try to run "LANG=en.US.UTF-8 gnome-terminal", if works, the problem may be your window manager (or login manager) |
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| 13:47.41 | petn-randall | wald0: But even the FOSS drivers for my old radeon works fine. |
| 13:48.10 | themsay | I'm Debian stretch |
| 13:48.19 | petn-randall | wald0: Note that fglrx drops support for older cards pretty fast, usually as soon as there's rudimentary FOSS driver support. |
| 13:48.31 | wald0 | petn-randall: ok, hum, on such case will be needed to download the old fglrx installers from the ati websites? (i wonder if they still works with newer xorg) |
| 13:48.44 | petn-randall | Again, nothing that Debian can do anything about, since we have no control of how fglrx is developed. |
| 13:48.49 | greycat | wald0: or, you could try the radeon driver |
| 13:49.02 | cryptodan | wald0: the fglrx has not been openly developed since ubuntu 12.10 and later |
| 13:49.22 | wald0 | greycat: well, i have see some computers in the past (wheezy past) that only worked with the fglrx but not with the radeon one |
| 13:49.28 | wald0 | don't know about buster atm |
| 13:49.35 | cryptodan | wald0: so on older cards all you are left with is the ati/radeon driver |
| 13:50.03 | wald0 | sounds like "have it working by default or just trash the trashy card" :) |
| 13:50.11 | themsay | QUBES_KEYMAP=xkb_keymap { |
| 13:50.11 | themsay | xkb_keycodes { include "evdev+aliases(qwerty)"}; |
| 13:50.12 | themsay | xkb_types { include "complete"}; |
| 13:50.12 | themsay | xkb_compat { include "complete"}; |
| 13:50.12 | themsay | xkb_symbols { include "pc+us+gb:2+inet(evdev)"}; |
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| 13:52.22 | mzajc | Anyone has any clue about my question from before? |
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| 13:53.24 | wald0 | mzajc: have you updated to the last packages? if im not wrong, yesterday has been some bts's closed about that |
| 13:54.01 | wald0 | mzajc: but i may better suggest to simply burn the m1cr0sht house :) |
| 13:54.08 | mzajc | Yup, just reran apt update. As I said, Buster up to date. |
| 13:54.15 | mzajc | Burn the what? |
| 13:54.23 | wald0 | microsoft house |
| 13:54.33 | wald0 | so that they will stop to making a worse world |
| 13:56.05 | mzajc | Sure, but I'm currently just looking for a viable solution. |
| 13:56.08 | themsay | My bad for flooding the forum |
| 13:56.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell themsay about paste |
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| 13:57.09 | greycat | You need to paste the Unicode code point, or the raw UTF-8 bytes, or the method by which you produced the character. Whatever that xkb stuff was, it's not relevant. |
| 13:57.23 | greycat | Hell, even pasting the character itself may work. |
| 13:57.25 | themsay | I just tried through emacs shell I get this unicode \3771 |
| 13:58.01 | greycat | https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/3771/index.htm says "U+3771 is not a valid unicode character." |
| 13:58.26 | greycat | Are you sure that's the unicode code point? A leading backslash is not the normal way to represent those. |
| 13:59.04 | wald0 | themsay: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ; gnome-terminal make it working? |
| 13:59.16 | themsay | That's the way it appeared on on emacs but on terminal is just a box. |
| 13:59.59 | wald0 | themsay: sudo locale-gen |
| 14:00.26 | wald0 | but your problem seems like to be that your LANG is wrongly configured |
| 14:01.04 | themsay | waldO: I have done that already. |
| 14:02.06 | themsay | wald0: terminal env shows LANG=en_US.UTF |
| 14:02.50 | jcrain | themsay: also, a description of what you are doing could help. are you editing a file in emacs? something else? |
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| 14:06.02 | mzajc | Any other solutions (other than burning down microsoft's HQ) to my previous issue? |
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| 14:08.41 | Logitech | I installed Kodi from the package manager, but its an old version. How do I update it? Can I do it in terminal? I'm in AntiX linux, basically its debian |
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| 14:11.20 | themsay | jcrain: page 17 second edition: "The C Programming Language" code ```int main() { int c; while (c = (getchar() != EOF)) putchar(c); return 0; }``` |
| 14:12.23 | dyre17 | Hello. Looking for some good supplementary material to the official website. I am looking for some good security hardening guides or best practices, and have gone over https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing , but am looking for more. |
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| 14:14.35 | jcrain | themsay: the parenthesis in that code look wrong |
| 14:14.52 | themsay | I tried the code on macOS only only input character showed up with any unknow box |
| 14:15.04 | jcrain | but you are editing what, a .c source file that contains that code? |
| 14:15.20 | jcrain | or you are running a program compiled from that code? |
| 14:15.39 | themsay | yeah .c file |
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| 14:17.10 | themsay | I got the cod from a book "The C programming language" |
| 14:17.43 | themsay | I run smooth on macOS |
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| 14:20.15 | jcrain | themsay: wherever you got it from, the code you typed into IRC is wrong |
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| 14:23.21 | themsay | jcrain: Note it was indented in the file |
| 14:23.58 | mzajc | Anyone has any clue about my question from before? |
| 14:24.17 | themsay | I notice the book is a bit outdated as well |
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| 14:25.28 | jcrain | themsay: you were complaining about characters not printing correctly. are you saying that you run your program and it doesn't produce the output you expect? |
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| 14:27.19 | themsay | No. Many things doesn't display normal on my terminal that the problem, the code is just an example. |
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| 14:30.16 | themsay | I've export LAND="en_US.UTF-8" but it doesn't help |
| 14:32.05 | themsay | export LAND="en_US.UTF-8" is now in ~/.bash_profile. I will reboot and check. |
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| 14:36.49 | EdePopede | themsay: LAND or LANG? |
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| 14:38.27 | themsay | EdePopede: LANG |
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| 14:42.52 | themsay | I see two similar output from running env command on terminal, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and LANGUAGE=en.UTF-8? |
| 14:43.07 | greycat | that's not what LANGUAGE is for |
| 14:43.10 | greycat | just ignore that |
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| 14:43.39 | themsay | graeycat: thanks |
| 14:44.10 | greycat | Have you pasted the actual character here yet? |
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| 14:47.14 | themsay | I see show ? |
| 14:47.36 | themsay | greycat: It showed ? |
| 14:47.39 | greycat | the character you pasted right there is a standard question mark, 0x3f |
| 14:47.52 | greycat | Same on the second one. |
| 14:48.20 | greycat | Did you copy the offending "box" directly from the terminal and paste it into your IRC session? Or did you press the question mark key? |
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| 14:51.32 | kalboob | my pc power reset button is broken , is there a way to reset through terminal |
| 14:52.14 | greycat | the normal reboot command (shutdown -r now) ... or are you saying that commands are not working? |
| 14:53.10 | themsay | I don't wanna disturb you guys more with my problem. Thanks all for helping out! |
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| 14:54.02 | greycat | Translation: "My Debian system is not networked to whatever system I am IRCing from, so I cannot paste the actual character into IRC." |
| 14:54.22 | NYTimes | hello guys readlink is giving me the wrong path wtf ? |
| 14:54.25 | greycat | Which you could have just *said*, and we would have told you how to hex dump the character's bytes locally. |
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| 14:55.04 | NYTimes | does anyone experienced it ? |
| 14:55.05 | kalboob | greycat thnx |
| 14:56.10 | NYTimes | full_path="$(readlink -f $file)" => I get /home/user1/location0 instead of /home/user2/location1 |
| 14:56.32 | NYTimes | Erratum: full_path="$(readlink -f $file)" => I get /home/user1/location0 instead of /home/user2/location0 |
| 14:56.43 | greycat | Run ls -l commands manually and track it down. |
| 14:56.55 | greycat | And stop obfuscating. |
| 14:57.11 | greycat | One more "user2" or "location0" |
| 14:57.17 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.43 | NYTimes | okay greycat understood |
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| 14:59.21 | NYTimes | is it possible that it is a permission issue ? |
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| 15:00.08 | greycat | You're asking whether a symlink can be resolved differently depending on which user you are? No, not to my knowledge. |
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| 15:01.13 | greycat | Also, just for the record, your "$file" variable needs to be "double quoted". |
| 15:01.36 | greycat | full_path="$(readlink -f "$file")" |
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| 15:04.35 | EdePopede | /proc/self/cwd/.. may fit |
| 15:04.46 | NYTimes | just tried with realpath and it's worse I get => '../cashstory/DataFactory/CS_WORLD-DATA' cashstory is the $HOME of the user executing the script |
| 15:06.05 | greycat | A symlink with literal ../ resolves relative to the directory that the symlink is in. It has nothing to do with the current working directory of the process, or the home dir of the user. |
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| 15:07.06 | NYTimes | greycat: just added quotes around the variable and still getting => '/home/cashstory/DataFactory/CS_WORLD-DATA' but the folder is located at /home/admin-sftp/data_sources/CS_WORLD-DATA |
| 15:07.37 | greycat | You'll have to track it down manually. Look at the content of the variable, and then check *every* single directory component. |
| 15:07.39 | NYTimes | but I'm executing readlink in /home/cashstory/DataFactory/ maybe that's why I get this madness going on |
| 15:08.16 | greycat | you might start with ls -ld / /home /home/cashstory /home/cashstory/DataFactory |
| 15:08.16 | NYTimes | the content of the variable is just 'CS_WORLD-DATA' |
| 15:09.00 | greycat | also "pwd" and "pwd -P" |
| 15:09.48 | NYTimes | here is the output of `ls -ld / /home /home/cashstory /home/cashstory/DataFactory` https://0bin.net/paste/QFG2G2fZ97pO0H72#XoHHKfaJcCyVYAeFmq1bx3p7x5rofxZ35z6HnzzltuZ |
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| 15:10.36 | greycat | Paste site requires javascript. Not happening. |
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| 15:11.36 | NYTimes | where do you want me to paste it > |
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| 15:12.11 | EdePopede | !paste |
| 15:12.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:12.14 | greycat | Mostly I want you to actually *read* it yourself... but if you feel you need someone to read it for you, paste.debian.net or any site that does not require javascript or an account registration. |
| 15:12.27 | EdePopede | the debian paste even has a link to the raw text |
| 15:12.32 | greycat | who put that 0bin.net bullshit in that factoid |
| 15:12.39 | Johann | the eternal "javascript, not happening" vs "clear text on the server, not happening" *bin debate |
| 15:12.54 | NYTimes | it's alright I've found nothing wrong with the output of `ls -ld / /home /home/cashstory /home/cashstory/DataFactory` |
| 15:13.15 | greycat | It's a fucking PUBLIC IRC CHANNEL. Everything is PUBLIC. Obviously you don't put secret data there. |
| 15:14.49 | greycat | There is no "I am not going to allow my publically pasted data to reside in clear text on the server" camp, and if you profess to be in such a camp, thank you for allowing my /ignore list to grow. |
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| 15:15.10 | greycat | dpkg, paste =~ s# or https://0bin.net/## |
| 15:15.10 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 15:20.00 | NYTimes | I really don't understand you greycat |
| 15:21.00 | greycat | Open a terminal and type lynx and then press a space and then paste your 0bin URL and then press Enter. |
| 15:21.03 | greycat | Then you will understand me. |
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| 15:39.40 | NYTimes | :D greycat there is a guy here at work using emacs in tmux googling in lynx wtf ? |
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| 15:42.56 | NYTimes | I bet to get notifications from irc you have set a libnotify server and that you have a computer that no one else can use <3 |
| 15:44.13 | NYTimes | btw I've found why readlink was bugging greycat that's because it was inside a inotifywait context |
| 15:45.48 | greycat | so readlink -f CS_WORLD-DATA gives you different results in the shell than it does in this "inotifywait context" even for the same user in the same current working directory? |
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| 15:51.25 | NYTimes | didn't try with the same user in the same current dir but just with the same file at the same path in and outside the "inotifywait context" |
| 15:51.55 | NYTimes | thank you greycat for helping thinking about this madness |
| 15:52.01 | NYTimes | o/ |
| 15:52.24 | NYTimes | I salute you lynx user :D |
| 15:52.57 | jelly | he should migrate to links2 or elinks! |
| 15:54.20 | NYTimes | ah ! or even firefox cause I'm sure he won't use chrome ;p |
| 15:54.41 | greycat | I tried w3m for a while but I could never get used to the key bindings. And then when I moved entirely over to Debian instead of HP-UX with ssh to older servers, lynx started working again (for the moment), so I went back. |
| 15:54.56 | NYTimes | Oh ! I forgot he does not have a mouse |
| 15:55.03 | greycat | I do use firefox and google-chrome for sites of MY choosing, but for unsolicited user pastes from IRC I only use a terminal based browser without javascript. |
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| 15:55.28 | jelly | that seems sane from an opsec perspective |
| 15:55.58 | NYTimes | https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/selectall/2017/02/09/09-roll-safe.w700.h467.jpg |
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| 15:59.51 | jelly | kalboob: don't do that |
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| 16:02.05 | kalboob | ok |
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| 16:21.05 | milkt | how can i spin down external hdd before i eject it? |
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| 16:22.15 | SwedeMike | milkt: why do you want to spin it down? The important thing is to unmount the file system before removing it |
| 16:22.31 | jelly | milkt: after unmounting it, you can echo 1 > /sys/block/sdWHATEVER/device/delete (as root) |
| 16:22.44 | milkt | eh... filesystem is not mounted, and hdd is not used, but it still not spin down |
| 16:22.52 | milkt | jelly: thanks, i'll try |
| 16:23.06 | jelly | does not work on all the enclosures |
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| 16:23.41 | jhutchins_wk | I believe hdparm will allow you to spin down a drive on command. |
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| 16:25.13 | jelly | I don't think I've ever seen hdparm work with any usb sata bridge |
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| 16:28.08 | milkt | jelly: /sys/block/sdX/device/delete worked as expected, thank you |
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| 16:30.05 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: It worked for me, I set the spin-down time on my external drive and it does as expected. |
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| 18:23.55 | Greyztar | hello,sometime in nano editor on a document text goes outside the screen and continue,is there a keycut to copy the whole line still? |
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| 18:25.19 | Sleaker | Greyztar: ctrl+k cuts the entire line. |
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| 18:25.37 | greycat | WordStar lives |
| 18:25.41 | Greyztar | Sleaker: thanks! |
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| 18:28.38 | kre10s | How can I get linux to recognize it as a sub to serial converter? |
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| 19:12.23 | wald0 | yay, finally in buster apt-get update is much faster! |
| 19:12.35 | wald0 | seems like it only downloads "changes" and not the entire files |
| 19:12.41 | wald0 | i wonder which technology uses to do that |
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| 19:12.44 | greycat | That has always been the case, long before buster. |
| 19:13.16 | greycat | well, maybe not "always", but a reaaaally long time |
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| 19:22.07 | i-node | hello, so, I can install debian using debootstrap in a chroot system while my main system is for example gentoo? |
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| 19:22.39 | greycat | That's the goal, yes. |
| 19:22.48 | i-node | ok, thank you greycat |
| 19:22.58 | greycat | Just make sure the kernel is compatible with the libs and programs in the chroot. |
| 19:23.07 | i-node | ok |
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| 19:26.38 | Tiger-Valentine | Hey, is Debian considered Linux? |
| 19:26.47 | zleap | Tiger-Valentine: yes |
| 19:26.47 | Sleaker | debian uses the linux kernel, yes. |
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| 19:27.32 | Tiger-Valentine | Thanks |
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| 19:27.39 | wald0 | greycat: but if im not wrong, there's a single Packages.xx file in the repos (not .pdiff like before), do you know how its managed to updated it with only the differences? |
| 19:27.44 | zleap | Tiger-Valentine: how can we help ? |
| 19:27.51 | wald0 | looks similar to the torrent or zsync technology |
| 19:28.16 | greycat | I don't know the implementation details. It's some kind of binary diff, and it's been that way for many years. |
| 19:28.19 | Sleaker | wald0: I don't think there are tools to recompute a Packages file via diffing |
| 19:28.25 | Tiger-Valentine | zleap, just a stupid argument :P I consider Debian and Ubuntu to be Linux, and Linux to not simply be the kernel. |
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| 19:28.53 | diogenes_ | Tiger-Valentine, there is also debian hurd which is not linux. |
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| 19:29.22 | Tiger-Valentine | Indeed |
| 19:29.33 | phazon | debian also had the freebsd kernel before it was discontinued |
| 19:30.13 | zleap | Well I think technically debian is GNU + Linux, |
| 19:30.23 | greycat | !kfreebsd |
| 19:30.23 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:31.47 | somiaj | Debian likes to think of itself as the 'universial operating system' and has tried not to tie itself to the linux kernel. But in practice almost everyone who uses debian also uses the linux kernel with it. |
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| 19:33.24 | ChunkzZ | When can we expect a new Debian release? |
| 19:33.41 | greycat | !wir |
| 19:33.41 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 19:33.57 | ChunkzZ | Lol. |
| 19:33.59 | somiaj | When it is ready is the debian time line. Buster has been frozen for a few months now, so the release will be sometime in the next few months (maybe more) |
| 19:34.09 | ChunkzZ | Not the answer I was looking for but ok. |
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| 19:34.32 | somiaj | Ideally it is ready when the rc bug count reaches 0, but in practice not all rc bugs are fixed before the release date (and some are found after the release) |
| 19:34.33 | greycat | Debian doesn't release on a time line. They release when the critical bug count is sufficiently low. |
| 19:34.54 | mutante | let's ask the other way. why did you want a specific date |
| 19:35.00 | mutante | you can already install buster now |
| 19:35.07 | ChunkzZ | Oh, good to know. |
| 19:35.07 | zleap | I would also guess as we are currently on 9.8 we should expect 9.9 first |
| 19:35.31 | greycat | stable point releases are completely separate from new major version releases |
| 19:35.35 | somiaj | zleap: stretch may get another point release before/after the buster release, as those two things are not tied together. |
| 19:35.50 | zleap | somiaj: ah thanks |
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| 19:36.34 | somiaj | there is usually an annoucment about a week before the release, and you can follow the rc-bug count to see how progress is being made.....trying to find a link. |
| 19:36.43 | mutante | ChunkzZ: you could either install buster (what is soon called stable) now and wait until it just become the release.. or you could install jessie now and later upgrade it |
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| 19:37.01 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- there it is, currently 147 rc bugs in buster. |
| 19:37.51 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
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| 19:52.58 | zEneeergy | ola |
| 19:54.32 | Sleaker | hmm question on apt. we just swapped our apt server. and now when clients try to download files from it they get a hash sum mismatch on the Packages files. |
| 19:54.49 | Sleaker | but the md5sums all match and such. so I'm a little confused as to what causes that. |
| 19:56.41 | Sleaker | only happens for the older repositories that we had archived. |
| 19:56.50 | Sleaker | newly generated ones seem to work jsut fine |
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| 20:19.23 | JohnA | how big should the efi partition be? |
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| 20:20.56 | dropkick500 | JohnA: Eh, 100-300 MB, I'd say |
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| 20:41.19 | i-node | is it safe to use the same swap device for two distros at the same time? (one chrooted) |
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| 20:42.44 | bernyrd | hi |
| 20:42.56 | bernyrd | I use usbip to forward a device to a machine, and then I wish to pass it to a VM |
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| 20:43.18 | bernyrd | I can do the usbip forward, but it looks like hid-generic binds to the device and consequently qemu gets read eror |
| 20:43.24 | bernyrd | I try to make udev rule |
| 20:43.27 | bernyrd | it did not work: |
| 20:43.49 | bernyrd | SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0001", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1efe", ATTR{authorized}="0" |
| 20:44.20 | dropkick500 | i-node: As far as i know as long as you're not hibernating the os or trying to use two swaps when one is in a VM, everything should be fine as the swap is most likely unloaded when you restart to switch OSes |
| 20:44.48 | i-node | ok, thank you dropkick500 |
| 20:45.32 | dropkick500 | NP |
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| 20:48.23 | JohnA | dropkick500, thanks, When I tried the auto install it set it 538mb |
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| 21:07.53 | i-node | oh, I see that debian has adopted systemd per default |
| 21:08.23 | i-node | last time I used debian sid, potato was stable version lol |
| 21:11.01 | zleap | i-node: yeah systemd is default there is a fork called devuan that uses system v |
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| 21:13.27 | zleap | ah buster rc-1 is out |
| 21:13.45 | zleap | what order are these things in like beta-alpha-rc-release |
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| 21:37.29 | Sleaker | alright I tracked my issue down to the apache server mangling the Packages file. |
| 21:37.31 | Sleaker | wierd |
| 21:37.46 | Sleaker | not sure how to fix this though. |
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| 21:46.26 | gabrielschulhof | Hey! How can I tell dpkg -l to not format the output? I want something I can give to diff so I can get a before/after picture of installed packages. |
| 21:47.00 | kadiro | hello, I was trying to download debian stable 64bit from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ but it fail when it is close to be done ( may be 90% ) |
| 21:47.13 | gabrielschulhof | Turns out some packages get upgraded and the new name is longer than the old name, so the number of characters per column changes, causing the whole file to be different. |
| 21:47.34 | mutante | kadiro: you can also torrent them |
| 21:47.50 | mutante | kadiro: or you can get the tiny netinstall image and let it download the rest during install.. only what is needed |
| 21:48.45 | kadiro | mutante, I was thinking about netinstall but that will take one day |
| 21:48.50 | gabrielschulhof | Oh, nm, diff -ub ignores white space. |
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| 21:51.07 | mutante | kadiro: but it would still be less data to download vs. the full CD image |
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| 21:52.12 | kadiro | mutante, you right, i have another problem with my old pc, the fan do a full noise on downloading installing at night, for that i was forced to use the full iso |
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| 21:54.27 | kadiro | mutante, another question, what's the version of kernel on this debian stable? |
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| 21:59.35 | mutante | kadiro: currently i see 4.19.0-2-amd64 on buster |
| 21:59.41 | mutante | on my example machine that is |
| 22:00.09 | kadiro | mutante, can i use an older version like 4.8 or 4.9 for example? |
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| 22:01.26 | mutante | kadiro: i dont know about downgrading. but probably yes |
| 22:01.56 | kadiro | ok thank you very much for your help mutante |
| 22:02.34 | mutante | kadiro: you are welcome |
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| 22:06.02 | RoyK | is it possible somehow to allow ssh access in run level 1? I have some issues with my home server and sometimes I'm not at home, so it'd be nice to login, just as root, with a key etc, and not travel back home if the shit hits the fan |
| 22:07.31 | mutante | RoyK: if it was a server, like f.e. a Dell or HP made for datacenters then you'd have a management interface you can SSH into separately and power up/down the host or get a console even if it is offline |
| 22:07.44 | mutante | possibly you could buy something like that .. an extension card |
| 22:07.44 | RoyK | yes, I know |
| 22:07.49 | RoyK | but this is a home server |
| 22:07.55 | RoyK | which is why I ask |
| 22:08.01 | mutante | yea, but maybe you could still add a PCI card for it |
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| 22:08.13 | RoyK | that wasn't the question |
| 22:08.35 | mutante | ok then |
| 22:08.59 | RoyK | so - does anyone know how I can have ssh and networking start in single user mode? |
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| 22:24.24 | Hayrom | https://soundcloud.com/hayrullah-coruhlu |
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| 22:26.53 | Copenhagen_Bram | I'm on debian stretch with xfce, when I close my lid my screen goes black with only a cursor, if I try to switch to a tty with ctrl-alt-f1 it just goes blank |
| 22:27.25 | Copenhagen_Bram | Forcing me to hold the power button until my computer turns off |
| 22:27.47 | Copenhagen_Bram | I just set it to "turn display off" in the power settings but when I close my lid it still does the same thing |
| 22:29.35 | Copenhagen_Bram | The power button doesn't seem to do anything either, it's set to ask when I push the power button but I don't see any dialog |
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| 22:31.41 | Copenhagen_Bram | Can someone help me? |
| 22:32.17 | Copenhagen_Bram | I really hope I didn't mess anything up by powering off my computer the hard way |
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| 22:37.48 | kadiro | Copenhagen_Bram, I'm new to debian ( i even didn't install it ) but try with alt+ctrl+F{1..6} |
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| 22:41.10 | Copenhagen_Bram | kadiro: thanks but i already tried that |
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| 22:42.53 | i-node | Copenhagen_Bram: what's the meaning of lid? |
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| 22:53.14 | kingsley | Is the distribution called "NixOS" comparable to Debian? |
| 22:53.19 | kingsley | If so, how? |
| 22:53.30 | Krennic | hmmm |
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| 22:55.13 | ryouma | i think they are completely different, but are both community distros |
| 22:55.33 | ryouma | nix package manager has neat features. debian is huge. |
| 22:57.25 | kingsley | ryouma: Please elaborate. |
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| 22:59.16 | ryouma | this channel is for debian. it's an old, large repo, well supported, but quirky distro used by a variety of user types from home users to sysadmins with 100k servers. nix is a new, dunno size repo, smaller user base probably, innovative distro. |
| 22:59.34 | jmcnaught | Copenhagen_Bram: on my laptop I have set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf so that closing the lid does nothing, you could try that |
| 22:59.36 | ryouma | a lot of linuxes are based on debian. |
| 23:00.21 | ryouma | guix is an alternative to nix |
| 23:00.29 | ryouma | guixsd* |
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| 23:04.06 | abrotman | ryouma: kingsley is well versed in what Debian is .. |
| 23:05.44 | kingsley | ryouma: If you happen to have the time,and are so inclined, I'd be interested in your detailed thoughts on how nix innovates. |
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| 23:06.18 | abrotman | Not in this channel, please |
| 23:06.26 | ryouma | i have rsi and other issues. also maybe ##linux would be better? it is "fucntional". |
| 23:07.10 | ryouma | ##linux is a decent channel with people who use debian |
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| 23:10.35 | SerajewelKS | "innovative small distro" is another way to say "they haven't solved many problems yet" :) |
| 23:11.35 | Copenhagen_Bram | guix is even more innovative |
| 23:11.41 | Copenhagen_Bram | and small |
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| 23:12.28 | Copenhagen_Bram | btw it's quite possible to install nix or guix on debian |
| 23:17.45 | ryouma | idk but maybe some of the attraction of a new innovative small distro is that debian has a lot of half-solved stuff. as a trivial example, the user often has to know that dpkg and ucf have or are alternate config thingies, that debconf is yet another config thingie that is different (and has a file not in /etc), etc. i imagine a new innovative small distro would have only one dpkg/ucf thingie, for example. |
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| 23:22.10 | Krennic | hmm |
| 23:23.04 | Krennic | debian and ubuintu are similar i run both in my computer |
| 23:23.07 | Krennic | :P |
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| 23:23.13 | Krennic | ubuntu* |
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| 23:28.44 | Sleaker | ryouma: never heard of ucf directly or used it. not sure how that's related. |
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| 23:32.06 | jcb2016 | Krennic, of course debian and ubuntu are similar. ubuntu is a copy of debian |
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| 23:33.14 | boku | # |
| 23:33.44 | jcb2016 | https://www.debian.org/derivatives/ |
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| 23:42.41 | ryouma | Sleaker: some packages use it. this is nothing provided for all packages, but up tot he pacakge dev, which imo is inconsistent. |
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| 23:43.32 | Sleaker | doesn't seem inconsistent |
| 23:43.43 | Sleaker | that's the whole point of choice |
| 23:44.20 | ryouma | it means the user has to know there are 2 and account for that |
| 23:44.56 | Sleaker | i disagree |
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| 23:45.08 | Sleaker | generally don't need to know about wrapper tools like ucf and how they interact |
| 23:45.59 | Sleaker | ucf requires debconf, it's more of an extended tool... |
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