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| 00:34.50 | k-man | i'm having a problem with sshd, and when i try and connect, i get connection refused. and systemctl status reports: http://ix.io/1GVH |
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| 00:46.05 | __m4ch1n3__ | k-man, remote logins should be done with keys not with passwords, https://wiki.debian.org/SSH#Using_shared_keys |
| 00:46.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | if you want make your machine insecure you have to allow it explict in config |
| 00:47.03 | jmcnaught | k-man: any more errors in "journalctl -u ssh.service"? |
| 00:47.17 | __m4ch1n3__ | /etc/ssh/sshd_config -> PasswordAuthentication yes |
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| 00:50.58 | k-man | __m4ch1n3__: ok - but that doesn't help me with this issue right now. something weird going on with connection refused I think |
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| 00:51.32 | k-man | jmcnaught: ah thanks, that's giving me a clue: Missing privilege separation directory: /run/sshd |
| 00:51.36 | k-man | but why? |
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| 00:55.07 | k-man | why would it not have been created when I booted? |
| 00:55.31 | k-man | fwiw, this machine has been running debian stable for ages, and I've sshed into it many times. this happened after a recent reboot |
| 00:55.55 | Sveta | did you create the directory, and it started working? |
| 00:56.01 | k-man | yes |
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| 00:57.10 | Sveta | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1109934/ssh-server-stops-working-after-reboot-caused-by-missing-var-run-sshd discusses this, not sure if any of the linked bugs or conclusions are of much use to you |
| 00:57.38 | Sveta | they mostly link to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/45234 |
| 00:57.52 | Sveta | and that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453285 |
| 00:57.53 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/453285 in openssh-server (closed): «openssh-server: Missing /var/run/sshd if run by inetd»; severity: normal; opened: 2007-11-28; last modified: 2008-01-27. |
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| 01:02.20 | k-man | how do i tell if my sshd is being started by inetd? |
| 01:02.59 | k-man | i don't believe it is on my system. it should be just systemd starting sshd |
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| 01:03.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | na if its started by systemd |
| 01:03.23 | k-man | yes, agreed |
| 01:04.02 | __m4ch1n3__ | systemctl status sshd |
| 01:04.18 | jmcnaught | systemd can act like inetd, listening on a socket and starting a daemon if something connects, then passing the connection to the daemon. Also look at "systemctl status ssh.socket" |
| 01:04.25 | k-man | yes, it's running now that I created /run/sshd by hand |
| 01:04.30 | k-man | but why did I have to |
| 01:05.33 | k-man | http://ix.io/1GVJ |
| 01:05.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | 'systemctl enable sshd' or 'service sshd start' |
| 01:05.57 | k-man | it was enabled and started |
| 01:06.10 | k-man | but couldn't run because /run/sshd was missing. |
| 01:06.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | socket is disabled |
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| 01:06.46 | __m4ch1n3__ | systemct enable ssh.socket |
| 01:06.54 | __m4ch1n3__ | *systemctl enable ssh.socket |
| 01:06.56 | Nongrick | I'm not sure where I should post this, i'm trying to use my laptop as an extended desktop for my desktop, both are Debian MATE. When using SSH -Y user@0.0.0.0 && export DISPLAY=:0.0 && mate-session (with correct ip/creds) from the laptop it'll say "mate-session[4582]: WARNING: Failed to acquire org.gnome.SessionManager" and the Desktop will get a popup saying, "Could not aquire name on session bus". Any thoughts? I've been at it for hours |
| 01:06.56 | Nongrick | with no leads on DuckDuck. Thank you, |
| 01:07.12 | jmcnaught | ssh.socket is disabled here for reference |
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| 01:07.29 | __m4ch1n3__ | ? |
| 01:09.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | you have to open/forward port 22 on your machine/router ofcourse if you want ssh from outside |
| 01:09.50 | __m4ch1n3__ | into your machine |
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| 01:17.03 | Nongrick | __m4ch1n3__, it's over my local network and I can successfully SSH -Y into the machine. Does that cover your recommendation? |
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| 01:36.22 | karlpinc | Nongrick: I always work at the X level. For what you want xdmx comes to mind. Otherwise, sounds like a mate question because, seems to me, you have two sessions going. One on each machine and somehow you're trying to merge them. I don't know anything, really, about that. |
| 01:38.03 | karlpinc | (But then, as of stretch, my remote X session does only like 1 frame/sec of video. I'm hoping that fixes with buster.) |
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| 01:40.14 | Nongrick | karlpinc, thank you that's given me some ideas, i'll go hunting! :) |
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| 03:03.36 | king_mamba | hi guys |
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| 03:14.23 | JohnDoe2 | is there something special that needs to be done to be able to ifdown and ifup? |
| 03:14.52 | JohnDoe2 | when I try to ifdown eth0 it says it's not configured. I added it manually to /run/network/ifstate |
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| 03:45.11 | Tom-_ | JohnDoe2, i guess ifdown should only work if ifup has already been run |
| 03:45.19 | Tom-_ | i don't fully understand ifupdown either |
| 03:46.13 | JohnDoe2 | it doesn't matter what I do it screws up |
| 03:46.29 | JohnDoe2 | some say it's a problem with interfaces |
| 03:46.45 | JohnDoe2 | but even if I revert to a vanilla dhcp eth0 config it still chokes |
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| 03:47.04 | JohnDoe2 | I rebooted the server, no idea what it wants |
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| 03:50.12 | qman__ | in order to run ifup, the interface needs to be in an unconfigured state (no IPs) |
| 03:50.33 | qman__ | in order to run ifdown, it must have been configured with ifup, and the config has to match what's in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:51.01 | JohnDoe2 | well does ifup run automatically on server boot? |
| 03:51.05 | qman__ | yes |
| 03:51.13 | JohnDoe2 | then it should not give me errors when I do ifdown |
| 03:51.20 | qman__ | well, if you have a statement such as "auto eth0" anyway |
| 03:51.30 | JohnDoe2 | oh I see. these utils can't handle static? |
| 03:51.41 | qman__ | that doesn't define static or dynamic |
| 03:51.49 | qman__ | that defines whether the system will automatically bring the interface up |
| 03:52.01 | qman__ | another one is "allow-hotplug eth0" |
| 03:52.07 | qman__ | they mean slightly different things |
| 03:52.14 | JohnDoe2 | oh ok that's what I have in the config |
| 03:52.18 | JohnDoe2 | hotplug |
| 03:52.41 | JohnDoe2 | so the ip configuration itself does not matter so long as it is the same as it was when ifup was issued |
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| 03:53.21 | qman__ | correct |
| 03:53.41 | qman__ | ifdown has to be able to "undo" what it expects to exist |
| 03:53.55 | JohnDoe2 | makes perfect sense |
| 03:54.18 | JohnDoe2 | now once I change things in interfaces (from dhcp to static for example), do I /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 03:54.31 | qman__ | that hasn't worked that way in years |
| 03:54.49 | qman__ | a few options for procedure |
| 03:54.50 | JohnDoe2 | all I have is google :) sorry |
| 03:54.56 | qman__ | ifdown, then edit, then ifup |
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| 03:55.05 | JohnDoe2 | okay I did that and ifup goes to dhcp still |
| 03:55.10 | JohnDoe2 | although the iface is set to static |
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| 03:55.47 | qman__ | sometimes the dhcp client gets caught up |
| 03:56.03 | qman__ | try manually telling dhclient to release, I think it's dhclient -r (might be -x) |
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| 03:57.53 | JohnDoe2 | ok a longer delay before running ifup will help with dhcp getting stuck |
| 03:58.01 | qman__ | that's part of another process for dealing with it, clear the config manually and then ifup with the new config; dhclient release, ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up, then ifup |
| 03:58.23 | JohnDoe2 | got it thank you |
| 03:58.28 | qman__ | or ip a d <address> dev eth0, etc |
| 03:59.25 | JohnDoe2 | alright so now I have a fully functioning ipv4 stack, configured manually. I'm trying to get ipv6 to work as well. Should I create a device alias? |
| 03:59.47 | JohnDoe2 | as I understand there's an issue with specifying more than one gateway per interface |
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| 04:01.12 | qman__ | for ipv6 you just define it a second time - like this: iface inet6 eth0 static |
| 04:01.24 | qman__ | then address, netmask, gateway in ipv6 |
| 04:01.38 | JohnDoe2 | that's how I had it before, will attempt again |
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| 04:04.42 | JohnDoe2 | alright that didn't error out, awesome. I have default via 2605:6400:10::1 dev eth0 metric 1024 pref medium in ip -6 route but I can't ping out |
| 04:05.47 | JohnDoe2 | what I'm guessing might be going on: wrong gateway (I have conflicting info provided by host), or mac address filtering on host's end |
| 04:06.16 | JohnDoe2 | ip neigh gives me this: 2605:6400:10::1 dev eth0 FAILED |
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| 04:12.48 | JohnDoe2 | and I'm back to the same errors as before http://paste.debian.net/1078919 |
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| 04:14.12 | Guest43 | https://pastebin.com/m37q0Xa8 |
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| 04:30.49 | JohnDoe2 | ok so the silly no such process and cannot assign address are bugs https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858070 |
| 04:30.50 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/858070 in ifupdown (open, ipv6): «ifupdown: ifdown puts the interface down before removing the IPv6 addresses»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-03-17; last modified: 2017-03-17. |
| 04:30.54 | JohnDoe2 | still doesn't help |
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| 04:55.16 | Glanzmann | Hello, I'm on buster. This morning when I rebooted my keyboard under x is no longer working. Has someone the same problem? |
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| 06:07.48 | _abc_ | Hello. Does anyone know where the sources for wheezy went? It was EOL'd last year but the sources are not online in the usual way. Also most binary packages are not online. |
| 06:07.51 | bbt | how do i re-add the pgpkeys for the main repos? i accidnetly deleted /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:08.18 | bbt | stretch\ |
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| 06:10.11 | dax | /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't have gpg keys in it. if you deleted that file and need to recreate it: |
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| 06:10.15 | dax | dpkg: sources.list |
| 06:10.15 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 06:11.04 | dax | _abc_: archive.debian.org, I believe |
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| 06:11.16 | bbt | getting this on updates though: W: GPG error: http://deb.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
| 06:11.18 | _abc_ | dax: I looked, it is not there in the usual way |
| 06:11.30 | _abc_ | dax: packages missing, src missing completely |
| 06:11.52 | _abc_ | Do you know if it is low priority work in progress? Or what? |
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| 06:13.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | will uninstall systemd and install sysvinit-core make my system unbootable? |
| 06:13.32 | _abc_ | __m4ch1n3__: it might create serious problems imnsho |
| 06:13.50 | phazon | bbt: try to manually reinstall debian-archive-keyring with dpkg |
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| 06:16.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | dont run full desktop only X & openboxsession, remove systemd would uninstall lightdm but thats not a huge issiue for me |
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| 06:17.17 | phazon | bbt: and backup /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ somewhere so you dont hose the keys again |
| 06:17.47 | bbt | getting this now: Err:10 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch/main Translation-en |
| 06:17.47 | bbt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.03 | dax | _abc_: weird. as far as i can tell it has src. you did do apt-get update after switching to archive.debian.org, right? |
| 06:20.23 | dax | _abc_: (based on looking at the relevant files online; i don't have a wheezy system to test) |
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| 06:21.38 | dodobrain_ | dax, you sure the packages are there? lots of binary packages were not there last time i looked |
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| 06:21.53 | _abc_ | dax: I'm not on a wheezy system, I need to compare releases and so on, between wheezy and jessie and stretch. |
| 06:22.04 | _abc_ | So no "standard solutions" like edit sources etc |
| 06:22.08 | dodobrain_ | essentially i spun up an interactive wheezy docker instance |
| 06:22.12 | _abc_ | ^ |
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| 06:22.45 | dax | huh. |
| 06:23.09 | _abc_ | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/source/ this is all I get and the contents are not to be found |
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| 06:25.11 | _abc_ | eg in my case looking for 'sysvinit_2.88dsf-41+deb7u1.debian.tar.gz' 'sysvinit_2.88dsf.orig.tar.gz' |
| 06:25.14 | _abc_ | brb |
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| 06:28.40 | dax | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.88dsf-41+deb7u1.debian.tar.gz http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.88dsf.orig.tar.gz |
| 06:29.21 | dax | and "apt-get -t wheezy source sysvinit" works as expected when i add an archive.debian.org wheezy deb-src line to a buster system |
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| 06:52.12 | _abc_ | dax: oh, ok. So how do I do that "manually" from another system without altering sources.list? Which I am not allowed to do? |
| 06:52.17 | _abc_ | As user, not root. |
| 06:52.26 | _abc_ | dax: and thanks |
| 06:52.47 | dax | if you know the filenames, you could pull them out of http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ i guess? |
| 06:52.51 | _abc_ | Sorry been away for a few minutes |
| 06:52.58 | _abc_ | dax: trying |
| 06:53.34 | dax | i think you can do debootstrap with fakeroot too, but i know barely anything about that |
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| 06:54.33 | _abc_ | You are right, I was able to find it where I looked yesterday. Strange. I must have had a typo somewhere. Thanks. |
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| 07:40.11 | AnononAgramA | Hi ive just formatted for the 10th time. im having trouble with nvidia drivers latest .run from nvidia website the install i can get fine but when installed steam wont run. the other method i used was with headers from debain wiki installing and older driver where is i want the absolute latest does anyone know if there is a solid method for getting latest drivers and steam working |
| 07:40.47 | AnononAgramA | debian 9.8 stretch |
| 07:42.00 | AnononAgramA | ive spent alot of time researching for diffrent ways of driver install the only one i know that works but gives older driver is this method https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#stretch |
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| 07:43.35 | AnononAgramA | any help is greatly appreciated its been days trying to find the best solution |
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| 07:45.27 | towo^work | AnononAgramA, don't use that .run file |
| 07:46.28 | AnononAgramA | i have read this the understanding to as why is not yet fully clear |
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| 07:47.19 | AnononA | thanks for the reply to and just relized i was useing old nick |
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| 07:50.18 | AnononA | what method do you guys use that is well fullproof |
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| 07:54.55 | AnononA | towo is there a good method you follow and have info on |
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| 07:55.17 | Nidhoegger | hi |
| 07:55.22 | AnononA | hi |
| 07:55.26 | Nidhoegger | can somebody tell me in which package the GLESv1 headers are? |
| 07:55.39 | Nidhoegger | i cannot find any package for GLES1 (Dev) |
| 07:56.13 | Nidhoegger | i am on buster btw |
| 07:56.58 | Nidhoegger | have they been dropped? in stretch there is libgles1-mesa-dev |
| 07:57.00 | Nidhoegger | in buster there isnt |
| 07:57.51 | AnononA | i have libgles1-mesa-dev problems in stretch to |
| 07:57.55 | AnononA | with steam |
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| 07:58.21 | Nidhoegger | accoring to packages.debian.org the package is not in buster anymore :/ |
| 07:58.52 | Nidhoegger | the problem is my dev hardware my employer gave me is too new for stretch, only buster runs on it properly |
| 07:58.58 | Nidhoegger | and I need the GLESv1 headers :/ |
| 08:00.07 | AnononA | out of luck in stretch generally but i had it install the other day when installing steam but the method i was using wasnt the best for drivers. evan tho it installed steam would not run |
| 08:00.17 | AnononA | this is above me what your asking |
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| 08:00.39 | AnononA | so you need that package i take libgles1-mesa-dev |
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| 08:01.34 | Nidhoegger | yes, but that package is not in the repositories |
| 08:01.47 | Nidhoegger | i would be happy with the headers so I can build it |
| 08:01.53 | AnononA | what about backports |
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| 08:04.28 | alkisg | Hi, is it normal to have mirror propagation issues? `apt update && apt full-upgrade` on buster: http://termbin.com/qgkt (or should I be asking in debian-next or debian+1 or somewhere?) |
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| 08:05.40 | AnononA | Nid does this help https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/271522/install-mesa3d-on-debian-libdrm-not-found-by-configure-autoconf/271537 |
| 08:06.03 | AnononA | there talking about building mesa |
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| 08:08.01 | jelly-home | alkisg, there is no output of "apt update" part in there |
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| 08:09.45 | Nidhoegger | nope AnononA, sorry |
| 08:10.14 | alkisg | jelly-home: it's just a successful update, with no errors at all |
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| 08:13.15 | AnononA | Nid do the headers have to be debian specific |
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| 08:13.39 | AnononA | tell me if any of this is of use https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/libgl1-mesa-dev |
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| 08:14.13 | alkisg | Hmm, it seems to be the `apt update` part that produces the old packages, as for example fwupd should be 1.2.5-2, not -1: http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fwupd/fwupd_1.2.5-1_amd64.deb |
| 08:16.26 | AnononA | will mesa utils work |
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| 08:20.28 | AnononA | maybe more info on your topic ill help search |
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| 08:23.01 | alkisg | jelly-home: apt update with debug headers, and apt policy fwupd, shows the old package as available: termbin.com/1j8n |
| 08:23.12 | alkisg | So it's apt update that "malfunctions" somehow |
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| 08:24.56 | AnononA | how would one find the right kernal headers |
| 08:26.28 | at0m | dpkg: nvidia |
| 08:26.28 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:29.42 | toolz | I have a problem after upgrading from jessie to stretch on one system with python. Everything went fine, no errors, except after the upgrade I get: on apt upgrade: https://pastebin.com/dhVwaKw1 and when I try to fix with apt --fix-broken install I get: https://pastebin.com/Bwymspzw |
| 08:30.13 | toolz | I tryed removing/moving python from /usr/lib, removing dependencies, nothing seem to work, I cant do anything now, any ideas? |
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| 08:31.19 | AnononA | so really if i dont use .run method ill be stuck with older version that correct |
| 08:32.05 | at0m | AnononA: depends on your card often. but indeed, .run is the origin from nvidia so they're usually newer |
| 08:32.39 | AnononA | whats the latest that can be installed with other method |
| 08:33.06 | AnononA | is there more -options that can be used so it will auto grab the latest |
| 08:33.19 | AnononA | card is a gtx 680m |
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| 08:34.12 | at0m | AnononA: i'd follow what nvidia-detect suggests |
| 08:34.37 | at0m | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 08:34.38 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.87-8~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.116-1; buster/non-free: 410.104-3; sid/non-free: 418.56-2 |
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| 08:38.41 | AnononA | 418 thats the latest |
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| 08:39.52 | AnononA | nvidia detect says all |
| 08:40.17 | AnononA | what is sid |
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| 08:42.58 | inviz | hi. can I do something like this in single user mode? mv /var /var2 ; and then move files from /var2 to /var ? |
| 08:43.10 | inviz | is /var/log in use in single user mode? |
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| 08:43.43 | svip | Can I skip the erasing of data of my current disk during install? |
| 08:43.44 | at0m | dpkg: tell AnononA about sid |
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| 08:43.56 | svip | There is just a cancel button, and I fear it's cancelling the whole thing. |
| 08:43.56 | AnononA | svip yes |
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| 08:48.31 | svip | During the guided partition, how do I change the size of a partition? |
| 08:48.49 | svip | It only provided 30 GB for /, but I need at least 150 GB for /. |
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| 08:49.36 | __m4ch1n3__ | delete other partitions and create new one |
| 08:49.43 | __m4ch1n3__ | or buy bigger hdd |
| 08:50.10 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can make a partion as big as there is free space |
| 08:50.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | no space no bigger partition |
| 08:51.08 | svip | How do I delete a partition? |
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| 08:52.05 | svip | Why can't I just resize my /home partition? Nothing has been written yet. |
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| 08:54.52 | svip | Ah, found it. |
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| 08:55.24 | AnononA | are you dual booting |
| 08:55.31 | AnononA | svip |
| 08:55.55 | svip | AnononA: No. |
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| 09:05.39 | AnononA | ok guys i still need help this driver situation is frustrating at this point i dont want to have to do another format and start fresh is there a good method that anyone knows of to help me thru |
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| 09:08.11 | AnononA | once kernal headers are installed i dont know how to revert back |
| 09:08.17 | AnononA | if needed |
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| 09:15.11 | anzipex | Can somebody help me with this? I have microsd card dd image (filesize 62,7 GB). If i write this img on 64 GB microsd (which i made this image) it works well. But if i write that img on 128 GB microsd it fails. Is there any way to write this image to a larger microsd card? |
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| 09:19.35 | omonk | what is a good alternative to firefox-esr on stable ? i'm looking at flatpak/docker/other but i would like the least overhead and easy updates if possible |
| 09:20.11 | omonk | i want to avoid mixing apt releases |
| 09:20.14 | netriber | Hello, not a related question but if anyone has done it. Feedback would be helpfull , has anyone connected phpldapadmin to a Active Diretory domain? |
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| 09:21.54 | AnononA | just go to firefox |
| 09:22.15 | AnononA | and install latest then create launcher and then it will be non ESR then you have content blocking control |
| 09:22.22 | AnononA | ESR is more for testers |
| 09:22.42 | omonk | i thought esr was extra-stable ? |
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| 09:23.32 | Johann | omonk: yes, it's extended support |
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| 09:24.16 | AnononA | if you want privacy check this https://www.privacytools.io/ |
| 09:24.21 | AnononA | and follow the firefox guides |
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| 09:24.46 | svip | I am using the testing XFCE CD to install, but it complains about the hash of one package, so I cannot install software. How do I make apt-get update work? |
| 09:25.04 | AnononA | is it pgp key |
| 09:25.31 | AnononA | svip |
| 09:26.12 | omonk | AnononA: i don't understand why you are stressing privacy (i just want a up-to-date firefox, i know how to configure it once installed) |
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| 09:26.19 | svip | AnononA: It says "adwaita-icon-theme_3.30.1-1_all.deb Hash Sum Mismatch" |
| 09:27.02 | AnononA | just a tip friend and just download firefox from there main page |
| 09:27.11 | AnononA | and youl see its uptodate |
| 09:27.15 | AnononA | more options |
| 09:27.37 | omonk | AnononA: thanks. will it update automatically or at least notify when there is one ? |
| 09:27.45 | AnononA | ESR can be configured greatly i was under the impression it was more for devs/unistudents |
| 09:28.05 | AnononA | alot of the options i needed ESR lacked |
| 09:28.15 | superlinux | I want to report a problem which I just solved. kate editor save/open dialog boxes when opened, kate crashes. TeamViewer aborts when trying to build its interface as it loads and runs. AnyDesk told me there is a problem that the desktop does not support OpenGL. my GPU card is Nvidia. Solution: installed the closed version of the driver. everything is working well. my GPU is geForce GT 630 |
| 09:28.43 | omonk | AnononA: i think this is because ESR is frozen at a previous release and only gets bug fixes |
| 09:29.26 | AnononA | if you just want an update should be in help about update. or make sure apt update and apt upgrade is ran |
| 09:29.41 | omonk | appreciate it, thanks |
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| 09:30.00 | Johann | omonk: the easiest way is to download directly from firefox website as he said. Also, as testing is frozen and next stable should be released soon, you could upgrade to buster and install latest firefox from the package manager |
| 09:30.02 | svip | Is it possible to tell the installation not to use the cdrom at all? |
| 09:30.07 | svip | I have wired connection and everything. |
| 09:30.28 | AnononA | yes |
| 09:30.35 | AnononA | open synaptic |
| 09:30.46 | AnononA | then go repositories and untick cdrom |
| 09:30.56 | omonk | Johann: i decided against upgrading to buster for now (i'll do a fresh install when it's officially out) |
| 09:31.03 | svip | AnononA: How do I do that during the installation progress? |
| 09:31.20 | Johann | svip: do you mean during the installation or after the installation? |
| 09:31.21 | superlinux | svip, are you asking at the time of installing the distro, or are you asking when you have a desktop and everything? |
| 09:31.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | use netinstall iso |
| 09:31.27 | svip | During. |
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| 09:31.50 | svip | Well, for some reason, one of the files on the ISO I put on a USB-disk has a wrong hashsum. |
| 09:32.10 | AnononA | svip there is a fix for this |
| 09:32.14 | AnononA | i had it before |
| 09:32.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell toolz about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 09:32.37 | superlinux | svip, if During, then use the DVD while you are completely disconnected. you have already downloaded some packages that are in the DVD |
| 09:34.05 | superlinux | once done , on the 1st reboot after installation, you can remove the DVD from package sources in synaptic or in /etc/apt/sources.list .. both have the same effect |
| 09:34.21 | superlinux | synaptic edits /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:34.42 | svip | superlinux: But the problem is that the file on the CD is wrong, right? How will disconnecting fix it? |
| 09:34.53 | svip | Should I just skip installing software, but I then I will have no desktop. |
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| 09:35.06 | superlinux | yes skip.. |
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| 09:35.25 | superlinux | you can later run tasksel from command line.. |
| 09:35.37 | svip | Aha. |
| 09:36.14 | superlinux | tasksel is the same one you see when selecting which bouquet of desktops to install. |
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| 09:36.35 | Johann | svip: i'm not sure to understand your problem, why cannot you connect to the internet during the installation? It should be a proposed option to download packages from the internet |
| 09:37.07 | superlinux | but before anything: apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
| 09:37.22 | svip | It looks like my partitioning went bad too. |
| 09:37.33 | svip | It keeps saying my volume group cannot be found. |
| 09:37.36 | svip | Back to the grindstone. |
| 09:37.56 | superlinux | Johann, what I am trying to do here is guarantee that svip will have a booting system with minimal stuff |
| 09:38.43 | svip | I'll just try again. |
| 09:38.43 | superlinux | I know my method looks advanced, but it really always guarantee that you'll have debian on the system |
| 09:39.20 | superlinux | svip, don't ever download any CD directly unless no other way.. always use torrent |
| 09:39.50 | superlinux | torrent always guarantees the download |
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| 09:44.56 | AnononA | dont torrent check the download like verify for it being legit aswell |
| 09:45.25 | toruvinn | the way it works is by downloading chunks and each chunk has a hash which is compared... if it does not match, redownloaded |
| 09:45.34 | toruvinn | hash collisions exist, but... |
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| 09:46.15 | AnononA | so your garenteed to have legit file instead of having to gpg --verify |
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| 10:35.41 | pie33 | are there any pre-configured cloud/web based various linux system/os? & virtual machines? |
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| 10:39.31 | oiaohm | pie33: https://bitnami.com/stack/wordpress/virtual-machine I guess you mean like bitnami stuff. |
| 10:39.45 | oiaohm | pie33: of course there are risks to this route. |
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| 10:44.51 | wald0 | im trying to rebuild the kernel using apt-get source linux-image... , but it seems like the kernel is now already compiled? how i can recompile it ? |
| 10:45.06 | wald0 | im specially interested in the kernel 5.0.x from experimental |
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| 10:50.59 | ov3rmind | Hello great guys, here is a great time to say, good morning! |
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| 10:58.06 | svip | Why is my keyboard-configuration in Dutch? |
| 10:58.11 | svip | I set my LANG to en_GB? |
| 10:58.17 | svip | And my region to DK. |
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| 11:01.58 | pie33 | any qemu user? |
| 11:02.18 | Johann | pie33: just ask your question |
| 11:02.40 | pie33 | arm/rpi/arduino emulator available on it? |
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| 11:06.23 | baraquiel | svip: you need to do `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration` to change your keyboard layout |
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| 11:06.46 | omonk | i figured i would extract the firefox tar archive in /opt/firefox and change its owner to be me instead of root. Is this a bad idea ? |
| 11:06.49 | svip | baraquiel: I ended up modifying /etc/default/keyboard manually. |
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| 11:07.56 | omonk | (actually i extracted it as me and copied it to /opt/ with sudo, no chown involved) |
| 11:08.22 | jelly | omonk, if you're the only user that's going to use that copy of firefox, it's a good way to make mozilla's auto updates work. Better yet, give yourself temporary write permissions to /opt, and unpack as user not root. |
| 11:09.06 | omonk | yes, i'm the only user. thanks for confirming |
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| 11:19.51 | inviz | so I copied file to another server which runs on btrfs (synology), the file size is different on btrfs. is it normal? |
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| 11:23.11 | jelly | inviz, ls -l shows different size on source and dest? |
| 11:23.44 | inviz | jelly, I used du. |
| 11:23.54 | jelly | that's not file size, that's disk usage |
| 11:24.10 | inviz | jelly well their md5sum is different as well |
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| 11:24.33 | jelly | was the source written to in the meantime? |
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| 11:24.57 | inviz | ls -l shows correct size. same. no, not written into. |
| 11:25.03 | inviz | to* |
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| 11:26.02 | jelly | different checksum indicates problems, then |
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| 11:29.02 | inviz | jelly, sha256sum checks out though. |
| 11:31.27 | AnononA | anyone who can help me with this normally it just goes out and find correct headers needed and installs the lot he following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:31.27 | AnononA | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.27 | AnononA | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.27 | AnononA | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:31.51 | __m4ch1n3__ | debhelper, good boy |
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| 11:34.31 | AnononA | #flood |
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| 11:35.59 | AnononA | https://pastebin.com/sqj8tytk |
| 11:36.05 | AnononA | can someone help me with this please |
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| 11:37.33 | AnononA | can nvidia driver be installed from the debain cdrom |
| 11:38.36 | __m4ch1n3__ | this is debian stable/stretch support channel |
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| 11:39.19 | __m4ch1n3__ | ... 410.104-1~bpo9+1 is to be installed looks like debian sid |
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| 11:40.21 | __m4ch1n3__ | you could try |
| 11:40.22 | __m4ch1n3__ | sudo apt-get install --fix-broken --assume-yes |
| 11:40.43 | EmleyMoor | I know releases are "when ready" but whereabouts are we towards buster being stable now? |
| 11:40.56 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 11:40.56 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=stretch&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 11:41.26 | jelly | EmleyMoor, ^ the number of RC bugs for buster (testing) needs to be zero |
| 11:42.02 | EmleyMoor | OK, supplementary... is there an easy way to get qemu 3 for stretch? |
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| 11:42.54 | jelly | ,v qemu |
| 11:42.55 | judd | Package: qemu on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u10; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u5; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u5; buster: 1:3.1+dfsg-7; sid: 1:3.1+dfsg-7 |
| 11:43.18 | jelly | ,checkbackport qemu |
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| 11:43.26 | judd | Backporting package qemu in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libvirglrenderer-dev. |
| 11:43.56 | jelly | EmleyMoor, you might try to build it yourself, perhaps without "virglrenderer" support. |
| 11:44.09 | __m4ch1n3__ | or try "apt --fix-broken install" |
| 11:44.27 | EmleyMoor | So "easy" is out... fair enough |
| 11:44.42 | jelly | __m4ch1n3__, bpo9 means stretch-backports |
| 11:45.57 | jelly | inviz, it's rather unlikely md5sum would show a mismatch but sha256sum would not, try again |
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| 11:47.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | oh :3 |
| 11:47.15 | __m4ch1n3__ | sorry |
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| 11:55.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | how do i setup a public dnssec-nameserver as default resolver without local server and local cache, just like regular nonsec dnsserver e.g from google 8.8.8.8? |
| 11:55.17 | FarhaadN | i am using debian server 8 x64, i have problem with time , UTC time show me +1 hour that should be, i put this commands to paste: "hwclock --show" , "cat /etc/timezone" , "hwclock -w --utc --debug" , "cat /etc/adjtime" , https://paste.debian.net/1078968/ |
| 11:55.58 | FarhaadN | my local time is +1 hour that should be |
| 11:57.00 | __m4ch1n3__ | could be missconfigured timezone |
| 11:57.01 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges#Check_Configured_Timezone |
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| 11:58.45 | FarhaadN | __m4ch1n3__: no its ok, but I enter that command again, but no diffrente |
| 11:59.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | you have to select your timezone .... |
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| 11:59.25 | FarhaadN | __m4ch1n3__: time zone is correct +4.30 hour |
| 11:59.38 | FarhaadN | i think problem is UTC time, its +1 hour |
| 12:00.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | takes first effect after logout all sessions, reboot |
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| 12:01.52 | FarhaadN | __m4ch1n3__: reboot takes effect on "Universal time" ? |
| 12:02.20 | __m4ch1n3__ | when changing locale variables and stuff like that you have to logout all login shells and Xsessions |
| 12:02.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | before it takes effect |
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| 12:03.14 | __m4ch1n3__ | as long as you are loged in nothing will change |
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| 12:04.28 | FarhaadN | __m4ch1n3__: i dont change anything , timezone set correctly before to Asia/Tehran , can i change "Universal time" ? |
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| 12:05.25 | __m4ch1n3__ | system clock? duno bios or so |
| 12:05.28 | __m4ch1n3__ | uefi |
| 12:05.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | but thats not how its done |
| 12:06.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | utc is everywhere on earth same, and local time is +- x hours from utc |
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| 12:06.56 | FarhaadN | __m4ch1n3__: this is now for my server : Universal time: Tue 2019-04-23 13:06:19 UTC |
| 12:07.25 | FarhaadN | why this is +1 ? |
| 12:07.53 | greycat | if that's what you get from "date -u", your clock is set wrong |
| 12:08.19 | FarhaadN | greycat: Tue Apr 23 13:07:53 UTC 2019 |
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| 12:08.38 | greycat | so date -u is correct, and this other thing is wrong? what's the other thing? |
| 12:08.40 | FarhaadN | how can i fix it? |
| 12:09.12 | FarhaadN | no, date -u show universal time, and i google it , universal from google is -1 hour from my server |
| 12:09.50 | greycat | you're saying "a random page I found on google is showing me the wrong time, how can I make my server also show this same wrong time"? |
| 12:10.24 | FarhaadN | no , __m4ch1n3__ tell me universal time in all world is same |
| 12:10.42 | FarhaadN | i check it in site : https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/timezone/utc |
| 12:10.53 | wald0 | how i can rebuild the kernel package ? |
| 12:10.53 | FarhaadN | and it s -1 hour |
| 12:11.02 | FarhaadN | is that correct? |
| 12:11.05 | wald0 | all that i get from "apt-get source linux..." is already packed kernels ? |
| 12:11.12 | greycat | that page shows me "12:10:58" and date -u is showing me the same thing |
| 12:11.15 | greycat | I don't know what you want. |
| 12:11.29 | FarhaadN | exacly |
| 12:11.38 | greycat | Exactly WHAT? |
| 12:11.51 | FarhaadN | i want my universal time set to correct universal time |
| 12:11.55 | n_1-c_k | FarhaadN: why not run openntpd or similar? |
| 12:11.59 | FarhaadN | and with timezone |
| 12:12.02 | greycat | What does "date -u" give you? |
| 12:12.30 | FarhaadN | root@PCC-Hamedan-U:~: date -u |
| 12:12.30 | FarhaadN | Tue Apr 23 13:12:09 UTC 2019 |
| 12:12.39 | greycat | Your clock is WRONG. Fix it. |
| 12:12.58 | FarhaadN | n_1-c_k: i cant access to internet from server |
| 12:13.26 | greycat | Usually that means making sure (a) you don't dual-boot this machine between Linux and Windows, (b) making sure Linux is storing the system clock in the hardware clock as UTC not as local time, (c) running an NTP daemon to keep your system clock in sync. |
| 12:13.33 | greycat | That is how you make a clock be right. |
| 12:13.34 | n_1-c_k | FarhaadN: oh! That's an unusual concept of a "server"! |
| 12:13.54 | FarhaadN | greycat: how i can? just use "timedatectl set-time "yyyy-MM-dd hh:mm:ss" " |
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| 12:14.27 | greycat | Can this "server" contact other machines on your local network, one of which can act as an NTP source? |
| 12:15.03 | FarhaadN | n_1-c_k: yes you right , but ... |
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| 12:15.36 | FarhaadN | greycat: yes, there is windows ntp server |
| 12:15.45 | FarhaadN | but i cant sync with thath |
| 12:15.50 | FarhaadN | that* |
| 12:16.23 | FarhaadN | i set ntp server to /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd |
| 12:16.31 | FarhaadN | but not work |
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| 12:16.38 | greycat | If you can't sync with it, then it isn't an NTP server. |
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| 12:17.07 | greycat | I don't know what you want us to tell you. You seem to be doing random shit. |
| 12:17.25 | greycat | I guess you will just continue doing random shit until something appears to work. |
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| 12:17.54 | FarhaadN | i want you tell me, why my universal time is wrong? and how can i fix it |
| 12:18.02 | FarhaadN | that is all i need |
| 12:18.08 | greycat | YOU FIX IT BY SETTING THE DAMNED CLOCK |
| 12:18.13 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 12:18.20 | greycat | man 1 date |
| 12:19.24 | FarhaadN | how? with "timedatectl set-time "yyyy-MM-dd hh:mm:ss" "? |
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| 12:19.38 | FarhaadN | i ask , becouse i used before |
| 12:19.57 | FarhaadN | but time change , and i dont know why |
| 12:20.16 | teclo- | well time changes all the time |
| 12:20.20 | teclo- | that's why it's time |
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| 12:20.57 | FarhaadN | teclo-: no i meat always +1 hour of my timezone |
| 12:21.04 | FarhaadN | mean* |
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| 12:21.46 | teclo- | FarhaadN: are you sure you're not confused between UTC and localtime ? Or that daylight savings time opreates ? |
| 12:21.47 | greycat | Buy a cheap computer, stick Debian on it, set it up to sync time from Internet NTP pool sources, and to act as an NTP time source for your internal network. Done. |
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| 12:23.21 | teclo- | I agree with greycat |
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| 12:26.00 | FarhaadN | teclo-: can you please read this : https://paste.debian.net/1078973/ , my local time should be "16:53:57" not "17:53:57" |
| 12:27.15 | inviz | I would not agree with "cheap computer" part of suggestion but whatever. |
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| 12:27.48 | greycat | an expensive one will also do the job |
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| 12:30.47 | FarhaadN | greycat: i cant prefer access from that server and mine, i just can access ssh to it from vpn |
| 12:31.08 | FarhaadN | and i dont know why universal time changed |
| 12:31.25 | FarhaadN | i want to figure out this |
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| 12:31.41 | FarhaadN | sry my bad language , i am not native on english language |
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| 12:32.30 | __m4ch1n3__ | you cant change the universal time :D, you can only try set system clock |
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| 12:32.58 | __m4ch1n3__ | and that is a hardware setting not debian |
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| 12:34.39 | FarhaadN | __m4ch1n3__: this server is virtual machine, should i change it in bois of virtual machine or esx host? |
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| 12:35.22 | __m4ch1n3__ | thats what i would try |
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| 12:37.17 | __m4ch1n3__ | hmm, stubby seems to be for client/desktop dns over tls resolving |
| 12:37.34 | greycat | *boggle* |
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| 12:42.11 | FarhaadN | __m4ch1n3__ and greycat tanx |
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| 12:44.00 | __m4ch1n3__ | teaching how to set a clock on irc lol |
| 12:45.22 | greycat | Computers are just completely incapable of keeping accurate time. It has something to do with temperature changes and the crystals in the clock. So you NEED an external source of time. |
| 12:47.24 | indomitable | greycat, "accurate time" |
| 12:47.27 | indomitable | you wanna clarify here |
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| 12:48.09 | greycat | you check the time and it's off by several minutes, or hours |
| 12:48.14 | greycat | "shit, ntpd died" |
| 12:48.18 | Ede|Popede | beaing no more accurate than the digital clocks of the 80s would be a big progress. |
| 12:48.20 | greycat | Clear? |
| 12:48.43 | indomitable | ...that's accurate? |
| 12:48.58 | indomitable | Ede|Popede, I haven't really tested my hardware clocks but they're rarely that bad |
| 12:49.03 | indomitable | however with UEFI it's hard to tell if you've NTP-synced or not |
| 12:49.03 | Ede|Popede | compared to "RT"Cs it is |
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| 12:50.24 | Ede|Popede | indomitable: i used to set my wrist watch every few weeks, and i was picky about accuracy, if it shows me the seconds it shouldn't be more off that a grandfather clock |
| 12:50.42 | indomitable | grandfather clocks are notoriously inaccurate |
| 12:50.44 | indomitable | :P |
| 12:51.08 | Ede|Popede | and until i finally had a flatrate i had to set the PC clock manually. couldn't wait that long. |
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| 12:52.16 | indomitable | Ede|Popede, you're a flatrate |
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| 12:53.30 | Ede|Popede | indomitable: you had to set it every day. and having to set the digital clocks only every few weeks was a difference. but then there came my first PC. and i went beck to days instead of weeks. |
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| 12:59.32 | ChrisH | I observe this strange behaviour on/since Friday. After reboot and login into KDE the existing Terminals did only take ONE character each. Using the KDE Key I can also only type ONE character to search for applications. After I killed all terminals the freshly opened are fully functional. KDE Quicktart and ALT-F2 do not work as epxected (no entry possible or only one character). I am not aware of changes I |
| 12:59.34 | Ede|Popede | indomitable: that other PC is running for ~20hrs now. corrected the hw clock before booting. is 2s off again. |
| 12:59.38 | ChrisH | did. Where to look next? |
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| 13:09.24 | \dev\cache | has anyone recently installed Linphone 4? |
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| 13:14.18 | Ede|Popede | is it possible to reattach a live image back to the running system? |
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| 13:27.44 | petn-randall | \dev\cache: It's better if you ask your actual question. |
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| 13:53.01 | \dev\cache | petn-randall: I am trying to get Linphone 4 installed on debian however, the apt-get pkg is 3.6 whereas the actual linphone release is already on ver 4 |
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| 13:54.56 | greycat | ,v linphone |
| 13:54.57 | judd | Package: linphone on amd64 -- jessie: 3.6.1-2.4+b1; stretch: 3.6.1-3; buster: 3.12.0-3; sid: 3.12.0-3 |
| 13:55.25 | greycat | You get to make a choice, then: use the Debian package, or use the upstream software and skip the Debian part. |
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| 14:19.03 | JohnA | I am not keen on adding a GUI to my home server, but any recommendations as to which might be better? |
| 14:20.12 | greycat | !better |
| 14:20.12 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 14:20.30 | __m4ch1n3__ | deep |
| 14:21.12 | annadane | you probably want something minimal, openbox is basically as small as it gets |
| 14:21.20 | annadane | openbox/dwm or something |
| 14:21.22 | petn-randall | JohnA: A GUI for what? |
| 14:21.35 | greycat | If you don't want one, why are you going to install one? |
| 14:21.51 | annadane | (though be advised the latest dwm doesn't compile natively on stretch) |
| 14:22.16 | JohnA | dpkg, Granted. I am trying to get the biggest bang for the smallest buck. most function for the smallest or least footprint/additional software. |
| 14:22.17 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, JohnA |
| 14:22.32 | BCMM | JohnA: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:22.46 | BCMM | JohnA: lxqt is a reasonably functional desktop environment with a small footprint |
| 14:22.55 | JohnA | BCMM, ooops! |
| 14:23.06 | BCMM | but why do you want a gui for this server? this sounds like it might be |
| 14:23.08 | BCMM | !xy |
| 14:23.08 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 14:23.08 | greycat | why would you even want to consider thinking about a desktop environment |
| 14:23.44 | oiaohm | JohnA: lot of my servers run screen and keyboard less. Manged by either puppet or ansible |
| 14:23.54 | BCMM | JohnA: hmm, that factoid is less clear than i hoped. what i mean is, perhaps there's a better solution for your server than installing a GUI. what's the actual objective here? |
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| 14:25.19 | oiaohm | JohnA: again it depends on what the server is doing if you can be totally screenless. Like render units with nvidia graphics you have to have graphics installed. |
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| 14:28.34 | JohnA | This server is a single unit for family use. family includes people that are not necessarily physically local. |
| 14:28.49 | greycat | so a GUI would serve zero purpose |
| 14:29.07 | BCMM | JohnA: i'm still not entirely clear on what you want a GUI for |
| 14:29.31 | greycat | maybe it's so he can run a fishbowl screen saver to entertain the cat |
| 14:29.32 | BCMM | JohnA: oh hang on, are you talking about a GUI like when people use an ordinary desktop computer in the normal way? or do you mean like a remote management web gui? |
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| 14:33.34 | JohnA | I am not sure I have thought this through. I had to rebuild my server over the last week due to a HW failure. I found that the BU I had expected to use had been corrupted. which resulted in have to reinstall everything. |
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| 14:36.32 | BCMM | JohnA: i'm still not sure on where the GUI comes in to any of this |
| 14:36.40 | JohnA | And redo the configuration (not something I recommend). I found that tools like meld very useful. |
| 14:37.19 | JohnA | but they require a gui, |
| 14:38.26 | JohnA | your right I don't need a gui, I need a better backup system. |
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| 14:39.59 | BCMM | JohnA: oh, well what about X forwarding or something? do you also have a linux desktop? |
| 14:41.16 | jelly | does JohnA consider a web UI to be a GUI? |
| 14:41.22 | Ede|Popede | is it possible to get rid of the bgimage of live system's grub? at least in the UEFI version big parts of the screen are unreadable (what's the point anyway in having a bright pattern while using a bright font color?) |
| 14:41.34 | JohnA | BCMM, that is the answer. |
| 14:41.57 | JohnA | jelly, what are you leading up to? |
| 14:42.46 | greycat | ,info meld |
| 14:42.47 | judd | Package meld (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: graphical tool to diff and merge files. Version: 3.16.4-1; Size: 484.7k; Installed: 3049k; Homepage: http://meldmerge.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/meld |
| 14:42.49 | jelly | maybe you want a nextcloud and a vpn, not a GUI, I have no idea |
| 14:42.55 | greycat | I don't ... even ... |
| 14:43.58 | Ede|Popede | ah, background_image |
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| 14:44.34 | greycat | He wants to install gnome libs on his "server" so he can run "meld" which is a hopped-up diff? On the server? Instead of just running it on his desktop box with files from the server? |
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| 14:46.21 | jelly | that's probably not the same meld. |
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| 14:47.26 | BCMM | JohnA: greycat does kind of have a point. i'd just mount the server's filesystem on my local machine and run meld locally. |
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| 14:47.44 | JohnA | greycat: I found diff didn't always give me the "best" output. |
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| 14:49.30 | JohnA | BCMM: Why couldn't I have talked to you sooner, "goes to corner and kicks himself server times" |
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| 14:50.13 | greycat | That's why we ask "what are you trying to do". |
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| 14:50.37 | BCMM | JohnA: seriously, everybody should read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem - i don't just mean this as a dismissive reply |
| 14:51.22 | jelly | sshfs is a thing! Not the most performant thing but a thing anyway |
| 14:51.48 | BCMM | or the wikipedia article actually, which is a little more concise |
| 14:52.42 | BCMM | jelly: i was kind of assuming the a personal "server" is acting, amongst other things, as a NAS. so some sort of remote mount is probably already configured |
| 14:53.02 | BCMM | but yeah, sshfs is "the remote mount that probably already works" |
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| 14:54.37 | JohnA | jelly: performance was not the problem I faced, At one point I seriously thought about phyically moving the server FS to a desktop. but i wasn't sure it would work and I wold havehad to move the raid controller |
| 14:55.13 | jelly | BCMM, now I'm imagining Sir Patrick Stewart saying: ... Acting! |
| 14:55.46 | jelly | JohnA, one does not use hw raid controllers if one does not have a spare |
| 14:55.48 | JohnA | I should have asked here about 100 days ago and saved my self a lot of time and energy |
| 14:56.32 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 14:57.41 | JohnA | jelly: I agree but as the original failure was the raid controller itself and the problem took several days to find. |
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| 14:59.08 | JohnA | where the hell did '100 days' come from, I really should read my post before hitting enter. |
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| 15:01.25 | NaN001 | hey guys i use kali linux version 2016.2 |
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| 15:01.55 | BCMM | !kali |
| 15:01.55 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 15:01.59 | BCMM | NaN001: ^ |
| 15:02.34 | NaN001 | wpscan has a f***ing bug |
| 15:02.53 | __m4ch1n3__ | omg finally clientside dns over tls |
| 15:02.55 | NaN001 | working with the latest ruby version |
| 15:03.04 | BCMM | NaN001: did you read the above? you should ask #kali-linux about this. this is #debian, and you're not using Debian. |
| 15:03.15 | NaN001 | excuse me |
| 15:03.21 | NaN001 | i new here |
| 15:03.28 | NaN001 | have a good time |
| 15:03.33 | NaN001 | goodbye! ^^ |
| 15:03.34 | BCMM | NaN001: but, if i were to hazard a guess as to what they'll say over on the kali channel: get a newer version of kali! |
| 15:03.46 | NaN001 | (y) |
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| 15:04.06 | __m4ch1n3__ | yes the point of downloading kali is that the tools are uptodate and working |
| 15:04.06 | JohnA | thanks you all for your help. |
| 15:04.10 | BCMM | NaN001: it's free, you don't have to hang on to ancient, broken version of it like you might with windows! |
| 15:04.42 | NaN001 | ahahaha i know it i break my machine lot of times cause im n00b |
| 15:04.49 | NaN001 | lol |
| 15:04.59 | NaN001 | thx anyway |
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| 15:07.16 | __m4ch1n3__ | how can i monitor/track my own url resolve request, to proof that stubby resolves over dnssec server |
| 15:07.56 | jelly | enable query logging on the dns recursor. |
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| 15:12.37 | Ede|Popede | i don't see anything in https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#553 how to get persistence with the GPT name (whatever this is)? only see explained how to use it with the fs label, .conf file and an image on some partition. |
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| 15:17.53 | __m4ch1n3__ | if anyone is interested in clientside secure dns https://dnsprivacy.org/wiki/display/DP/DNS+Privacy+Daemon+-+Stubby |
| 15:18.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | needs only 1 pkg from debian distro to be installed |
| 15:18.33 | __m4ch1n3__ | *repo |
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| 16:12.04 | jhutchins_wk | Ede|Popede: https://pendrivelinux.com has some good info on customizing live images. |
| 16:12.05 | wonderworld | whats a nice tool to quickly convert values from/to hex, binary, ascii, dec, etc? |
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| 16:14.27 | petn-randall | wonderworld: xdd does some of that. |
| 16:14.41 | petn-randall | wonderworld: If it's only for single values, probably any decent calculator. |
| 16:15.23 | wonderworld | petn-randall: i was looking for something easy. one where i could put in any value and get the others. something all-in-one. |
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| 16:17.13 | Brigo | wonderworld, something like this web? https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/decimal-to-binary.html |
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| 16:17.38 | wonderworld | something like this -> https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/ for cli |
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| 16:23.05 | Ede|Popede | jhutchins_wk: i mostly see stuff like "create a stick with some live linux on it using some tool" and no word about how to use external data in the live system |
| 16:26.00 | miroesq | I did a fresh debian 9 install on my Odroid XU4 and everything went great. Rebooting was never a problem. After running the fusionpbx install script, whenever I try and reboot the system just freezes and I am forced to manually power down and back up. Is there a log I can look at to even begin to see what the problenm could be? |
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| 16:31.19 | friendofafriend | miroesq: How long do you wait, after the reboot command "freezes"? |
| 16:31.53 | miroesq | friendofafriend: Sorry, it actually freezes for about 5 minutes then reboots. |
| 16:32.14 | friendofafriend | Right, that's systemd doing something wrong. |
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| 16:32.37 | miroesq | Is there a log i can see to maybe fix this issue? |
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| 16:32.56 | shush | Does Debian 9 no longer have `deb`? |
| 16:33.18 | friendofafriend | shush: What's "deb"? |
| 16:33.30 | shush | friendofafriend: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 16:33.50 | shush | `deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main` gives me "sudo: deb: command not found" |
| 16:33.50 | friendofafriend | What, you're running "deb" on the command line? |
| 16:33.59 | shush | friendofafriend: yeas |
| 16:34.00 | friendofafriend | Right, that belongs in sources.list. |
| 16:34.07 | friendofafriend | There is no deb command. |
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| 16:34.19 | shush | oh derp |
| 16:34.26 | friendofafriend | Good luck. |
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| 16:36.54 | shush | Is apt an alias for apt-get now? |
| 16:37.01 | greycat | no |
| 16:37.11 | greycat | they share many options, but there are differences as well |
| 16:38.11 | shush | greycat: confusing |
| 16:38.22 | greycat | just use whichever one you prefer |
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| 16:38.45 | friendofafriend | miroesq: Using systemd to figure out why systemd doesn't work? Quicker to write your own init system. |
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| 16:38.47 | annadane | shush, you're looking for /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:38.55 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good way in exim to bounce all mail destined for a particular user (whether -suffixed or not) with a custom message? |
| 16:39.00 | shush | annadane: Yeah I got it set up already |
| 16:39.08 | shush | Just wondering about the difference between apt and apt-get |
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| 16:44.13 | jmcnaught | miroesq: did you look for errors in /var/log/syslog? |
| 16:45.54 | friendofafriend | If it happened after you installed fusionpbx, I'd probably check fusionpbx's log also. |
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| 16:55.06 | jhutchins_wk | shush: aptitude as well. |
| 16:55.38 | shush | jhutchins_wk: Why so many command names? |
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| 17:15.45 | karlpinc | greycat: You may be interested in bug #881771: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=881771 It morphed into buster release note instructions for pre-stretch network interface names (eth0, wlan0, etc.) and how to upgrade systems installed before stretch. |
| 17:15.46 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/881771 in release-notes (closed, moreinfo, buster): «release-notes: No mention of "predictable network interface names" in Debian 10»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-11-14; last modified: 2019-04-14. |
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| 17:16.03 | mishehu | greets folks. when I'm trying to install some dependencies to build wireshark-2.6.8 using their in-tree debian build, I'm getting the `E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.` , but `apt-mark showhold` returns nothing. |
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| 17:17.45 | BCMM | mishehu: it might be an idea to pastebin the entire error |
| 17:17.57 | karlpinc | EmleyMoor: One usually does that in /etc/aliases, regardless of MTA. The "vacation" program is often involved. |
| 17:18.22 | karlpinc | EmleyMoor: (There is also the ~/.forward file, a sort of per-user aliases file.) |
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| 17:19.39 | karlpinc | EmleyMoor: (I confess I've forgotten whatever I once knew about - and + suffixes.) |
| 17:19.46 | mishehu | BCMM: sec |
| 17:20.33 | greycat | karlpinc: ok, but ... I still don't understand what "no longer supports" means apparently |
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| 17:21.32 | karlpinc | greycat: As of buster, it seems, you need to set a kernel command parameter to retain the old-style interface names. Otherwise you boot with new interface names. |
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| 17:22.21 | Sleaker | karlpinc: that has been in effect since stretch |
| 17:23.17 | karlpinc | Sleaker: Nope. If you upgraded to stretch you retained the old names. You can migrate to the new names on stretch if you want. Or if you install stretch you start with new names. |
| 17:23.18 | Sleaker | also seems odd to me that people are surprised about this. |
| 17:23.30 | Sleaker | this has been in kernel mainline for many yeasr |
| 17:23.37 | mishehu | out from trying to run wireshark's tools/debian-setup.sh . I'm guessing this isn't because of libmaxminddb-dev, because it occurs if I manually run `apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev` |
| 17:23.41 | mishehu | http://dpaste.com/3YXNV73 |
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| 17:24.53 | Sleaker | karlpinc: so it only happens on an upgrade is what you're saying. |
| 17:25.03 | karlpinc | Sleaker: Thing is, unless you read the "whats new" of the stretch release notes you wouldn't know anything about it. |
| 17:25.20 | karlpinc | Sleaker: Yes. It only matters if you upgrade to buster a system installed before stretch. |
| 17:25.54 | Sleaker | ah I see what you're saying. |
| 17:26.04 | karlpinc | Sleaker: I tend to keep boxes around forever, and just upgrade. Way easier than a re-install. |
| 17:27.11 | Sleaker | I dunno if anyone had poked around other OS in the last 5 years they would have noticed this. |
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| 17:27.31 | karlpinc | Sleaker: Not a serious problem; you do lose network if your interface names unexpectedly change. But it is serious for those who administer remote machines, and anybody easily freaked out when networking breaks on upgrade. :) |
| 17:27.40 | Sleaker | sure. |
| 17:28.41 | karlpinc | Sleaker: When I tend to use another OS it tends to be something installed by somebody else and I never really _need_ to look at the interface names. But anyway, I'm satisfied enough with how the buster release notes handle this. |
| 17:29.18 | greycat | karlpinc: I can personally assure you that upgrading stretch->buster kept my old interface name (eth0) |
| 17:29.19 | karlpinc | Sleaker: Of course, nobody reads the instructions. So when buster is out you can expect a lot of cries for help here. :) |
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| 17:29.46 | Sleaker | greycat: odd, debian specifically dropped the patch for systemd to allow that. |
| 17:29.55 | greycat | karlpinc: I had to go out of my way to get the new interface name to show up, and the instructions you gave didn't help me tell WHICH new name it was going to be |
| 17:30.02 | Sleaker | greycat: do you have the kernel options turned off to force old names? |
| 17:30.04 | karlpinc | greycat: The udev/systemd people claim that that's not the case for the final release of buster. |
| 17:30.18 | greycat | wooledg:~$ cat /proc/cmdline |
| 17:30.18 | greycat | BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.19.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=57cd3d98-68de-46b4-b8ad-ed3c8e2f7c10 ro |
| 17:30.43 | Sleaker | my stretch: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64 root=UUID=55ab5dcb-f005-47ae-a8dc-e2badfea7cd2 ro net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 quiet |
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| 17:32.15 | karlpinc | greycat: The patch to the buster release notes are supposed to contain a udevadm command that displays what the new interface name will be. I haven't tested. |
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| 17:33.11 | greycat | The udevadm command writes several lines of output, and it wasn't clear to me which line would be used. |
| 17:33.39 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/1079013/ |
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| 17:34.11 | greycat | I thought it was going to use enp0s31f6 so I changed all the files to that, then after rebooting I had no network, because it used eno1 |
| 17:34.25 | karlpinc | greycat: You're welcome to complain to the bug, or file a new one. (Anything that clarifies will probably help a lot of people.) |
| 17:34.51 | greycat | fair enough |
| 17:35.21 | karlpinc | greycat: I'd have made your mistake too, for what it's worth. |
| 17:37.13 | karlpinc | I think that udevadm command would be worth testing on a vmware stretch system. It didn't work for me on a vmware jessie system, but then maybe vmware interface names are not affected. |
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| 17:59.27 | shush | Is it a Debian thing to have this weird case in my .bashrc: https://gist.github.com/samholmes/b23bce91e7bf895f6822eb757ac1877a |
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| 18:01.59 | greycat | If you're asking whether it's in the template .bashrc, you can just read /etc/skel/.bashrc to see. |
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| 18:04.36 | shush | greycat: Yeah, it's in the template |
| 18:04.41 | shush | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/257571/why-does-bashrc-check-whether-the-current-shell-is-interactive |
| 18:04.58 | shush | Looks like a lot of distros have this condition check for -i |
| 18:05.10 | shush | by a lot I mean the two listed on that link |
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| 18:05.30 | greycat | (then why did Debian turn on the non-default SSH_SOURCE_BASHRC compile-time behavior in bash if it didn't want bash to actually process the .bashrc file...) |
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| 18:11.45 | shush | greycat: I think it's something ssh is doing |
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| 18:20.56 | indomitable | any clues as to why "sudo service <some service that exists> restart" would hang? |
| 18:21.30 | towo` | au |
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| 18:21.47 | indomitable | au? o_O |
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| 18:21.54 | towo` | oops, wrong window, sorry |
| 18:22.05 | greycat | probably <something happened> during <the stop or the start> |
| 18:22.05 | indomitable | I can't start it either, suspicious |
| 18:22.17 | indomitable | I didn't stop it to begin with, it said "exited" |
| 18:22.19 | greycat | good thing you provided so much detail |
| 18:22.19 | indomitable | in the status |
| 18:22.25 | indomitable | it's minidlna |
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| 18:22.58 | indomitable | very fishy |
| 18:23.00 | greycat | Does it use a sysv-rc script, or a systemd unit file? |
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| 18:23.06 | indomitable | systemd unit file presumably |
| 18:23.07 | Peeta | Hello help pleae |
| 18:23.14 | Peeta | ./configure |
| 18:23.16 | Peeta | configure: error: please read GIT-Access before trying to build from git |
| 18:23.17 | greycat | So you don't know. That's the first thing to find out. |
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| 18:23.22 | indomitable | I mean it's the default debian one :P |
| 18:23.26 | indomitable | so yes, it's systemd init |
| 18:23.43 | indomitable | god damn it I'm going to have to restart aren't I |
| 18:23.48 | indomitable | well cya in 3 mins I guess |
| 18:23.53 | Peeta | why do I get that error? |
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| 18:24.03 | greycat | If you don't know HOW to find out, I suggest starting with "systemctl status minidlna". It should show you on the Loaded: line. |
| 18:24.18 | indomitable | greycat, It showed me nothing particularly useful |
| 18:24.28 | indomitable | I figure "off and on again" is the safest approach given your abstract advice |
| 18:24.44 | indomitable | interesting, maybe someone hacked my box |
| 18:24.46 | annadane | try systemctl status minidlna as root |
| 18:24.58 | greycat | even as non-root it should have a Loaded: line |
| 18:24.58 | indomitable | I can't access it anymore via ssh, which is ... intriguing to say the least |
| 18:25.20 | indomitable | I always do these things as root :P |
| 18:25.55 | jhutchins_wk | Peeta: Have you read GIT-Access? |
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| 18:26.44 | Peeta | Now |
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| 18:31.33 | indomitable | no clue why that bug happened |
| 18:31.33 | indomitable | tedious |
| 18:31.40 | indomitable | maybe there are logs |
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| 18:32.49 | indomitable | great, log only remembers its time since being rebooted -.- |
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| 18:49.29 | Ignacy | This can be changed. And might be, that there is some older log "cycled" out. (I know it's a different word, but something with wheels) |
| 18:49.50 | greycat | journalctl's logs are all volatile unless you go out of your way to make it log to disk |
| 18:50.29 | Ignacy | ok, stand corrected. |
| 18:50.45 | jhutchins_wk | Don't they go to /var/log/journal by default? |
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| 18:51.15 | greycat | nope |
| 18:51.17 | jhutchins_wk | Ignacy: You may be thinking of logrotate. |
| 18:51.23 | greycat | ls: cannot access '/var/log/journal': No such file or directory |
| 18:51.32 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: That must be on a different distro. |
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| 18:52.28 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, non-Debian feature. |
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| 18:53.19 | jhutchins_wk | It's a pain in the /var 'cause everything ends up logged twice. |
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| 18:54.13 | annadane | not by default but AFAIK you can mkdir /var/log/journal for persistent journalctl |
| 18:54.54 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: Yeah, and there's a config file where you can specify what percentage of your space is used. |
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| 18:55.27 | Tenkawa | is the server really lagged or me? |
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| 18:58.17 | jeytuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.22 | jeytuan | hehehe .... |
| 18:58.27 | jeytuan | sorry noob here |
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| 18:58.45 | annadane | test123 is a terrible password, obviously change it, but change it to something less obvious |
| 18:59.08 | FinalX | it's not even in the top 50 of most used passwords |
| 18:59.17 | FinalX | "iloveyou" and "fuckyou" are, though :P |
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| 19:02.39 | annadane | and, man, protonmail? especially no excuse for "test123" |
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| 19:32.41 | jubo2 | this is troubling. a Debian server did not ask for sudo password when running a script with sudo and was the first thing I did with sudo in a new tmux session |
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| 19:33.14 | greycat | sudoers can be configured not to require a password |
| 19:33.37 | jubo2 | this.. is.. not.. supposed.. to.. be.. happening. |
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| 19:34.01 | jubo2 | greycat: It always asks for a password the first time in a new TTY sudo is invoked |
| 19:34.06 | greycat | in that case, I would check /etc/sudoers and see if someone's done something naughty |
| 19:34.43 | jubo2 | greycat: I'd go for 'last' (to see there are no other IPs) |
| 19:35.09 | jubo2 | and a 'sudo chkrootkit' does not hurt |
| 19:35.34 | jubo2 | greycat: there are no other users on the server in question |
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| 19:37.13 | indomitable | sudo chkrootkit? o_O |
| 19:37.31 | jubo2 | indomitable: 'sudo apt install chkrootkit' if you feel a need |
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| 19:38.11 | indomitable | I'm not installing a rootkit on my device |
| 19:38.14 | indomitable | bad jubo2 :P |
| 19:38.41 | jubo2 | humor? |
| 19:39.50 | jhutchins_wk | indomitable: Perhaps you should find out what chkrootkit actually is. |
| 19:39.54 | jubo2 | CHK is a common abbreviation for CHecK .. so by doing 'sudo apt install chkrootkit && sudo chkrootkit' you can check if known rootkits are installed |
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| 19:41.32 | jubo2 | but how come a fresh tmux inside a fresh ssh session did not ask for sudo passwords upon the first invocation of sudo? |
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| 19:41.48 | jhutchins_wk | rkhunter is another similar tool. |
| 19:41.49 | Tencryn | I'm a couch potato and I noticed I was getting errors regarding the debian wheezy repos. They've been moved to archive right? I'm having a hard time with it. By default, I was using digitalocean's repos for wheezy main, and security.debian.org for wheezy/updates. I've changed this to archive for main and security. but I get a 404 on the wheezy backports for binary-amd64 which isn't even in sources.list. Any pointers? Thanks. |
| 19:41.55 | indomitable | jhutchins_wk, never |
| 19:42.00 | jhutchins_wk | jubo2: Had you already used sudo in another session? |
| 19:42.05 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 19:42.05 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
| 19:42.06 | jubo2 | jhutchins_wk: no |
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| 19:42.35 | jhutchins_wk | jubo2: So this was the first use of sudo since you logged in/connected? |
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| 19:43.06 | jubo2 | I log in via ssh (using just passwords, sorry about that. Gonna fix it with keychain and agent forwarding) start tmux. run the backup script with sudo as the first thing |
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| 19:43.24 | Tencryn | greycat: That's the one I am using but I'm still getting the 404 regarding backports. I have no idea where that repo is stored because it's not in sources.list. Little confusing. |
| 19:43.43 | greycat | !wheezy-backports |
| 19:43.43 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 19:43.53 | greycat | hmm, that's probably out of date. |
| 19:44.14 | jubo2 | jhutchins_wk: yeah. The script takes 10 minutes to complete. I think I would have made a memory imprint of that however dandelionroot I am |
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| 19:44.30 | greycat | if you find them, you can teach the bot where they live now |
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| 19:46.08 | jubo2 | dandelion root extract works against at least 2 types of leukemia and 2 other cancers according to 10+ yrs of research in Ontario Canada http://www.uwindsor.ca/dandelionrootproject/ |
| 19:46.53 | jubo2 | oh yeah.. support channel, not post random awesome stuff with most spin channel |
| 19:47.53 | jhutchins_wk | jubo2: I'd definitely check the sudoers file and anything in /etc/sudoers.d/ for something set to NOPASSWD. |
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| 19:50.53 | mutante | jubo2: is the root password actually different from the user password? just to make sure |
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| 19:51.11 | Tencryn | I think it's `deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main` however... despite that, which seems to work fine when doing `apt-get update`, I'm still getting the other wheezy-backports 404... so that must be defined elsewhere but no idea where. might be a question for digitalocean tbh |
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| 19:52.16 | Tencryn | nevermind, got it. it was inside of sources.list.d as wheezy-backports.list |
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| 20:25.41 | EmleyMoor | karlpinc: This isn't really a case of alias or vacation... I want mail to be rejected totally with a custom error response. |
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| 20:26.34 | greycat | .forward file in the user's home dir? Or is that not a thing in exim? |
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| 20:27.34 | EmleyMoor | greycat: Non-users don't have home dirs |
| 20:27.44 | mutante | rejected or dropped? |
| 20:28.02 | mutante | if you just want to drop you can alias to :blackhole: |
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| 20:28.29 | greycat | if he's a non-user, why is he getting mail at all? |
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| 20:28.39 | EmleyMoor | mutante: Rejected - just in case there's the odd mailing list (legitimacy irrelevant) that hasn't, over the last 5 years, got the message |
| 20:28.40 | greycat | or is this some wacky virtual-user thing |
| 20:29.04 | EmleyMoor | greycat: User died 5 years ago |
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| 20:30.06 | greycat | so how's mail being delivered to him now? |
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| 20:30.25 | peylight | Who wants Linux System Adminstrator / Devops (Remote Job)? |
| 20:30.28 | EmleyMoor | greycat: It's forwarded to a special suffix on my account at present |
| 20:30.47 | mutante | apparently there are also aliases with a target like ":fail: Disabled due to spam volume." |
| 20:31.40 | mutante | peylight: fully remote? does it have a link? |
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| 20:35.22 | jmcnaught | EmleyMoor: are you also using dovecot for IMAP? Maybe sieve is what you're looking for. |
| 20:35.53 | EmleyMoor | jmcnaught: Yes to the first and certainly not to the second |
| 20:36.22 | jmcnaught | Do you want to reject all messages to this address, or only some? |
| 20:36.54 | EmleyMoor | jmcnaught: Alll... and I've just found the relevant documentation. |
| 20:37.02 | karlpinc | EmleyMoor: Sorry, I'm a postfix user. |
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| 20:38.14 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... seems I'm actually getting spammed directly on the special suffix |
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| 20:39.10 | EmleyMoor | Must have removed him from the mail setup a few years ago, then |
| 20:39.56 | EmleyMoor | Ah, oddly it's actually to me but is being sorted oddly by my exim filter |
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| 21:02.15 | johnjay | sh ouldn't the /etc/apt/sources.list file have a commented out line for apt-update to use? |
| 21:02.40 | johnjay | I tried installing stretch and told it not to use a mirror... but then when i wanted to enable it i had to kinda guess |
| 21:02.50 | johnjay | eventually i figured out it had to be httpredir.debian.org |
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| 21:04.36 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 21:04.36 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:05.01 | johnjay | yes i needed the first one |
| 21:05.15 | greycat | If you mean "I did an install without a working network, and it left me without a template sources.list" then I COMPLETELY agree with you. That's the WORST. |
| 21:05.19 | johnjay | i think i just told it to skip selecting a mirror because i thought it would try to download packages |
| 21:05.31 | johnjay | yes that is essentially correct |
| 21:05.42 | johnjay | the network was unusable at the moment i was installing |
| 21:06.42 | greycat | Yeah, I HATE that. The installer should leave a valid sources.list file in place, even if it's all commented out. |
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| 21:07.11 | greycat | Meanwhile, your best bet is to stop the installation and fix the network and restart the installation. It will save you a lot of heartache and hassle in the long run. |
| 21:07.14 | indomitable | greycat, that is very tedious |
| 21:07.15 | indomitable | I concur |
| 21:07.22 | indomitable | I hate installing from netinst |
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| 21:09.00 | johnjay | also this netselect-apt thing... was that supposed to be installed? |
| 21:09.10 | johnjay | because it didn't. and i tried it |
| 21:09.19 | greycat | never used it, never cared |
| 21:09.38 | greycat | get a valid sources.list during install or by typing it in by hand or by copying it from another machine you installed, etc. |
| 21:10.04 | johnjay | yes i had to google a bit to figure out i needed all 3 of those lines |
| 21:10.12 | johnjay | by the way greycat, since you're here |
| 21:10.29 | johnjay | i was confused as hell why the xfce launcher wouldn't run ~/bin/palemoon/palemoon for me |
| 21:10.36 | greycat | and you're asking me? |
| 21:10.45 | johnjay | it took me about 10 minutes to figure out that bash recognizes ~ |
| 21:10.51 | johnjay | but it's not a universal thing |
| 21:11.06 | johnjay | i had assumed the xfce thingie would just plug the command into bash |
| 21:11.11 | greycat | subdirectories of ~/bin/ are also weird. |
| 21:11.13 | johnjay | but apparently not. so i had to give it an absolute path |
| 21:11.24 | greycat | $HOME/bin should be in your PATH and you shouldn't have subdirs inside it |
| 21:11.57 | johnjay | ah ok. what should i do with palemoon then? i untar'd it and it said to run the program from the folder. |
| 21:12.21 | johnjay | under linux should executables run without the .so's in the same dir? |
| 21:12.24 | greycat | if $HOME/bin/palemoon is a program with +x permssions, you can just run "palemoon" assuming your PATH is properly set up |
| 21:12.56 | greycat | you're apparently not using GNOME, so getting $HOME/bin into your PATH should not be impossible |
| 21:13.00 | greycat | it might even be the default |
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| 21:13.51 | johnjay | ah there is a way to install it to the system and put it in PATH. ok |
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| 21:14.17 | johnjay | ln -s ~/palemoon/palemoon /usr/bin/palemoon |
| 21:14.18 | johnjay | something like that |
| 21:14.27 | greycat | I don't know what your palemoon extraction thing did. You talk about .so files. If it extracted some of those, then the palemoon that it wants you to run is probably some wrapper shell script that fucks with LD_LIBRARY_PATH and god knows what else. |
| 21:14.42 | greycat | In which case you definitely should not have extracted it under a bin directory. |
| 21:15.22 | johnjay | hmm, ok |
| 21:15.33 | greycat | I would have to know how this thing-you-extracted is intended to be used, what's in it, etc. I am going home now. Maybe you just wanted to extract it in /opt and then symlink /usr/local/bin/palemoon to /opt/palemoon/palemoon ?? |
| 21:15.34 | n-st | johnjay: don't manually put stuff in /usr/bin, you'll confuse/screw up your package management |
| 21:15.36 | johnjay | is /usr/bin only for binaries? |
| 21:16.00 | n-st | for executables, rather |
| 21:16.00 | greycat | use /usr/local/bin for your local system-wide programs |
| 21:16.03 | johnjay | ok thanks greycat i'll try that |
| 21:16.15 | greycat | or symlinks to wherever they live in some bloated /opt type place |
| 21:16.20 | n-st | executables might be scripts, not just binaries |
| 21:16.46 | johnjay | well it is an executable |
| 21:16.46 | johnjay | but if manually putting things in /usr/bin can be bad i'll avoid it |
| 21:16.46 | johnjay | by the way their website suggests doing just that |
| 21:17.23 | jmcnaught | johnjay: /usr/bin is supposed to be only for files from .deb packages, /usr/local/bin is meant for stuff you install manually |
| 21:17.39 | johnjay | ok. i just have a vague understanding of the directories |
| 21:17.42 | n-st | johnjay: `man hier` (filesystem hierarchy standard) for more about where to put things |
| 21:17.48 | johnjay | wonders if the debian handbook clarifies these things |
| 21:17.58 | n-st | there's also a decent wikipedia article about the FHS |
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| 21:19.13 | johnjay | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.18 | johnjay | er static files |
| 21:19.23 | johnjay | ok thanks |
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| 21:20.57 | n-st | it gets a bit muddled at times, and different distributions have different ideas what "local" and "add-on" mean |
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| 21:21.59 | johnjay | greycat seemed adamant that $HOME/bin shouldn't have subdirectories in it |
| 21:22.07 | johnjay | so maybe that's one of those ambiguities |
| 21:22.19 | johnjay | i mean if /usr/local/bin can have subdirs but /usr/bin can't |
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| 21:22.27 | n-st | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.10 | n-st | any */bin shouldn't have subdirectories, since those won't be searched when you put the bin directory in your $PATH |
| 21:23.27 | n-st | hence /opt and symlinking to relevant bits to /usr/local/bin :) |
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| 21:24.45 | n-st | s/to relevant bits/the relevant bits/ |
| 21:24.58 | Ede|Popede | does debian even have some content for /opt? the only thing i rememeber to have been there was kde and opera years ago. when Qt was considered not kosher. |
| 21:25.48 | n-st | Ede|Popede: google's .deb for chrome installs to /opt, IBM's rational software architect, various gpu stuff⦠|
| 21:26.04 | n-st | but nothing from the package repos as far as i've encountered |
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| 21:28.07 | n-st | just checked `apt-file` (albeit on an old ubuntu because i don't use apt-file anywhere else): no packages contain files in /opt |
| 21:28.55 | n-st | -> bed -- sorry to cut this short ;) |
| 21:29.09 | Ede|Popede | gnite then :) |
| 21:29.23 | n-st | good night, have fun with the FHS :P |
| 21:29.38 | Ede|Popede | so /opt is the place where windows users feel like at home ;) |
| 21:29.45 | skyfighter | Hi all :D |
| 21:29.48 | n-st | (it's not as bad as it sounds) |
| 21:29.49 | Ede|Popede | FHS was a great reading |
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| 21:37.38 | johnjay | n-st: ah that explains the dilemma better. on windows i wasn't sure how to handle it. |
| 21:37.55 | johnjay | so i ended up making a bin folder putting it in the path... and then just copying every program folders contents into it |
| 21:38.03 | johnjay | the linux way makes more sense |
| 21:38.21 | johnjay | *program folders from add ons that weren't installable that is |
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| 22:46.03 | roylapra1tep | to dist-upgrade or not. |
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| 22:46.51 | mutante | dpkg: dist-upgrade |
| 22:46.51 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>. |
| 22:47.31 | __m4ch1n3__ | no risk no fun |
| 22:47.32 | mutante | dpkg: tell roylapra1tep about why not dis-upgrade |
| 22:47.38 | roylapra1tep | oh, its better to use full-upgrade? |
| 22:47.47 | roylapra1tep | i didnt knew about that command |
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| 22:47.57 | mutante | dpkg: tell roylapra1tep about why not dist-upgrade |
| 22:48.24 | mutante | it depends what you want to achieve |
| 22:48.58 | mutante | dpkg: tell roylapra1tep about full-upgrade |
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| 22:49.30 | roylaprattep | jessie to stretch |
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| 22:49.46 | roylaprattep | mutante: its roylaprattep |
| 22:50.15 | mutante | roylaprattep: none of the commands mentioned so far are doing "jessie to stretch" |
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| 22:50.33 | roylaprattep | dpkg: tell roylaprattep about full-upgrade |
| 22:51.07 | roylaprattep | ok |
| 22:51.17 | roylaprattep | dpkg: tell roylaprattep about dist-upgrade |
| 22:51.22 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 22:51.36 | mutante | roylaprattep: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 22:51.39 | __m4ch1n3__ | /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
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| 22:56.08 | roylaprattep | mutante: they dont mention full-upgrade anyway |
| 22:56.14 | roylaprattep | anywhere* |
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| 22:57.47 | roylaprattep | so changing the sources.list to stretch repo and doind apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt fully upgrade to debian 9? |
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| 22:58.25 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: that's the jist of it, but there's a few more steps you may want to take that are documented in the release notes that were linked to you |
| 22:58.59 | roylaprattep | apt-get purge the obsolete package |
| 22:59.23 | roylaprattep | thats the only thing I can see that I need to do |
| 22:59.57 | ttl- | is there a SIP softphone that works on Debian? |
| 23:00.24 | roylaprattep | 3CX? |
| 23:00.55 | roylaprattep | ttl-: 3CX. |
| 23:01.35 | roylaprattep | ttl-: There is a ISO just for Debian! |
| 23:01.53 | roylaprattep | https://www.3cx.com/docs/manual/installing-debian-linux-pbx/ |
| 23:02.16 | ttl- | thanks! |
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