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| 00:30.35 | Tom_- | samantha-, maybe /etc/default/grub or https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.config-bootloader.en.html#sect.config-grub |
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| 02:06.02 | un214 | It's no by default now |
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| 02:15.58 | pennTeller | Hi guys what is your top reason as to why Debian is king? |
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| 02:16.22 | Sveta | stability, easy to use and customize |
| 02:16.27 | Sveta | what about you |
| 02:16.28 | un214 | because packages sit and work in the repository about a decade after they lost a maintainer |
| 02:16.37 | un214 | c.f. lilo |
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| 02:25.11 | pennTeller | Thanks |
| 02:25.40 | Sveta | no worries pennTeller , what are you up to anyway? what brings you to debian? |
| 02:27.37 | pennTeller | Sveta: Not much, I am building a smart mirror using Debian and felt like coming to the channel |
| 02:28.11 | pennTeller | I don't know if I am dm you correctly I am on my phone |
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| 02:37.46 | AnononA | Hi all was wondering after recent driver install nvidia with headers through stretch backports say if i wanted to go testing unstable would i use purge command for the installed driver |
| 02:38.16 | AnononA | if i wanted to wipe them completly headers and all for current installed |
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| 02:48.18 | AnononA | hope im explaining myself correctly... would i use purge in debain to completly uninstall drivers |
| 02:48.35 | AnononA | would it uninstall headers aswell |
| 02:50.01 | magic_ninja | So I'm under the impression that if I install stable, and enable backports, I will have to specify a package from backports, right? |
| 02:50.27 | magic_ninja | Erm, during an install. |
| 02:51.05 | AnononA | you wont have to using -t command or anything if you apt update it will know they exist then when you say install package it will use the right repos |
| 02:51.38 | AnononA | hence why apt update is important |
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| 02:54.06 | AnononA | are you using apt-get, apt or aptitude |
| 02:55.11 | magic_ninja | I usually use apt-get |
| 02:55.33 | AnononA | try use apt its abit more sophisticated at dealing with problems |
| 02:55.35 | magic_ninja | I don't necessarily need anything from back ports, unless I specify it. |
| 02:55.50 | AnononA | but aptitude in my experiance has been better then both |
| 02:56.28 | magic_ninja | Which one is the primary |
| 02:56.39 | magic_ninja | I would say aptitude probably? |
| 02:57.35 | AnononA | you can go that route but depends what specify means.... so when using apt or apt-get you can use parameter's to specify use stretch packports |
| 02:57.51 | AnononA | primary is apt-get and apt but i reccommend apptitude |
| 02:58.01 | AnononA | you may have to install aptitude aswell |
| 02:58.18 | magic_ninja | I just remember using apt-get back in the day. |
| 02:58.48 | AnononA | apt and apt-get already there to use apt is better then apt-get and apptitude provides solutions |
| 02:58.48 | apt | that's too long, AnononA |
| 02:59.09 | AnononA | same man recently ive learnt all this and apptitude has saved the day plenty time now |
| 03:00.02 | AnononA | some will say depends what your doing witch it does and if you know apt-get down to its core then you may never need to use anything else but not always the case |
| 03:00.28 | rant | I have a Lenovo T440 with hybrid bt/wifi 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b2] (rev 83) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 [8086:c270] and I only recently installed bluetooth packages and realized unlike the wifi, which nm remembers the last state, bluetooth seems to always be enabled on boot. I'm wondering if this significantly reduces my battery |
| 03:00.34 | rant | life |
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| 03:01.08 | AnononA | if you dont use it disable at startup or bios man disable it from in there |
| 03:01.16 | AnononA | and i doubt its gunna reduce it heaps |
| 03:01.49 | AnononA | there alot more eco power saving mechanisms n hardware these days |
| 03:02.13 | AnononA | if you dont use it then disable from bios |
| 03:02.45 | AnononA | youll see the diffrence if it really sucks some power |
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| 03:03.32 | rant | yes this machine has great battery life and the wireless card mentions a lot of power saving features |
| 03:03.56 | rant | I just wasnt sure how I could really tell.. BT seems to significantly reduce an android phone's battery life |
| 03:04.34 | AnononA | yeah there batterys are equivalent to a vaperizer |
| 03:04.38 | AnononA | tho |
| 03:05.03 | AnononA | with your lenovo a power profile would probs be the way to go |
| 03:05.12 | AnononA | if you use bluetooth |
| 03:05.31 | rant | this laptop has two batteries in it.. the internal 24Wh and the external 72Wh |
| 03:05.39 | AnononA | wow |
| 03:06.27 | AnononA | i wouldnt worry to much about the bluetooth if you need to know check the model of bluetooth wifi card specs and see how much it actually draws |
| 03:06.32 | AnononA | manufacture website |
| 03:06.44 | rant | yeah the battery life is execellent.. I just will rarely if ever use bluetooth and I noticed unlike the wifi which network-manager remembers the last state and I usually turn it off when I leave, the BT doesnt and seems to always start enabled |
| 03:07.34 | rant | well also I'm not too familiar with BT but I'd imagine if its not discoverable or searching for devices it shouldnt really be using much power anyhow |
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| 03:08.11 | rant | or paired/connected to anything |
| 03:08.12 | AnononA | correct wifi card would use more ...ok check in your bios if you can disable it from in there that will disable the card directly |
| 03:08.23 | AnononA | and it wont function no matter what os you run |
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| 03:08.59 | AnononA | then when you want it simple bios enable option |
| 03:09.13 | rant | yeah I doubt it.. and wouldnt wanna totally disable it.. just maybe have it default off if there is any significant power draw |
| 03:10.19 | rant | unfortunately unlike the old t-series these dont have the actual hw switches |
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| 03:14.02 | AnononA | oh ok |
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| 03:15.25 | rant | I could probably get 12hrs or more with wifi on this machine so its not a huge deal, but I also like to just bug out for long periods of time and use this to charge other things like my mobile as well |
| 03:16.06 | AnononA | not sure if you can use ifocnifg to diable the adapter |
| 03:16.20 | rant | you'd more than likely use rfkill |
| 03:16.32 | rant | but I can use whatever bt crap I installed that has a panel applet too |
| 03:16.38 | AnononA | https://askubuntu.com/questions/638352/how-do-you-disable-bluetooth-from-terminal-in-ubuntu |
| 03:16.54 | AnononA | was just about to suggest that |
| 03:17.00 | AnononA | beet me to it lol |
| 03:17.27 | rant | yeah I been using this system nearly 20 years.. I just dont really have experience with BT |
| 03:17.43 | rant | BT accessories were always a lil too rich for my blood |
| 03:17.46 | AnononA | well that link will get you started for search terms n what not |
| 03:18.01 | rant | I always wanted a BT keyboard but they were always rather expensive |
| 03:18.20 | magic_ninja | What about a "system-restore" type utility? Any suggestions there? |
| 03:19.11 | rant | magic_ninja: you mean as in disk imaging backup and restore or something retarded like windows restore points in the registry? |
| 03:19.17 | AnononA | as in go back to a state where its not installed |
| 03:19.47 | AnononA | lol |
| 03:19.49 | magic_ninja | something akin to windows system restore. Not an actual disk image / backup |
| 03:20.02 | AnononA | this is debian channel |
| 03:20.05 | rant | yeah probably not likely to happen |
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| 03:20.32 | rant | most backup and restore software in linux is at the FS or block level.. dd, lvm snapshots, etc.. |
| 03:21.05 | rant | proprietary systems where every single one of them is the same, its a bit easier to make something like that |
| 03:21.35 | magic_ninja | Are we not allowed to speak about debian administration practices? |
| 03:21.37 | rant | not even every one of the hundreds of debian based systems are the same.. not even every debian machine itself is the same |
| 03:22.02 | AnononA | hey rant: https://askubuntu.com/questions/73904/how-do-i-monitor-power-consumption |
| 03:22.07 | rant | this is why the only reliable method of restore that makes sense is something that underlies all that |
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| 03:22.38 | AnononA | theres alot of utils in that link |
| 03:22.52 | AnononA | maybe that will help so see just how much its useing |
| 03:23.29 | rant | yeah in theory.. but in my experience unless its using quite a bit or has a specific process to monitor, not really |
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| 03:24.31 | rant | If I were to unplug this ac cord right now it says I have over 17hrs of power remaining, sometimes it says over 12,000 hours.. |
| 03:24.32 | magic_ninja | Well, this is just a desktop. I was just looking for something to undo a botched update or package install that for some reason broke things. |
| 03:24.35 | Mystified1234 | need some help with mxlinux unable to stat ssh sudo systemctl status ssh " Failed to get properties: No such interface '' " |
| 03:24.38 | rant | that shit is all guess work at best :P |
| 03:25.16 | magic_ninja | rant, that is kinda strange. I wonder how it is collecting the data. |
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| 03:25.30 | magic_ninja | Either that, or it is being vary precise with its readings. |
| 03:25.53 | Mystified1234 | sudo systemctl start ssh Failed to start ssh.service: Unknown unit: ssh.service |
| 03:26.21 | rant | magic_ninja: as a general rule, we have no means of going backward officially with the deb package system.. other than restoring a backup.. but aptitude is really good at coming up with solutions until you hear something you like when SHTF, and if upgrades/installs alone were your main concern, customizing something wouldn't be all that difficult |
| 03:27.27 | rant | magic_ninja: you gotta understand for most people on a desktop/workstation their largest disk usage is all under /home the rest of the system where their OS lies will probably stay between 4-32GB max so its not all that much to backup and restore really |
| 03:27.30 | magic_ninja | rant, okay. I was looking at Timeshift. Once again, not critical stuff here. |
| 03:28.06 | rant | !de usage |
| 03:28.07 | dpkg | de usage is, like, The HDD/RAM usages of the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M |
| 03:29.29 | rant | smallest DE install is 2.9G largest is 4.2G if you're a gamer you could have double that in games, but things like crossover or steam or such would be installing to your homedir and outside your package manager.. so really backing up and restoring that small amount of data wouldn't be that cumbersome to achieve |
| 03:29.54 | magic_ninja | That is for just the system, though, right? |
| 03:30.18 | magic_ninja | So you make a / then /home and /swap and just back up your / |
| 03:30.26 | rant | yes.. those sizes were fresh installs that didnt yet have anything in /home |
| 03:30.35 | rant | thats the idea basically |
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| 03:31.20 | rant | if you also run services which will have large data outside of home you may want to configure them to use something under /srv/ like /srv/samba or /srv/http and make that seperate too |
| 03:31.27 | AnononA | maybe use service instead of systemctl |
| 03:32.13 | rant | Mystified1234: ssh is a client program, not a service |
| 03:32.30 | AnononA | so startup options |
| 03:32.33 | rant | the server is often called openssh, openssh-server, sshd, or such |
| 03:32.44 | Mystified1234 | thanks |
| 03:32.49 | Mystified1234 | its active |
| 03:35.15 | magic_ninja | Well, I'll look at that. I have a few more things to consider as well. |
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| 03:44.34 | SZ[] | Hey fellas, Im having issues with grub not displaying my newly compiled kernel |
| 03:44.44 | SZ[] | What prerequisites do you need before we get to it? |
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| 04:01.09 | friendlyGoat | hello, im here to ask about rsync. i have it on Debian and Xubuntu and thought it was all set up and perfect. exactly what i needed really but now theres a problem. for some reason with every sync, i lose a little more space. on my PC the drive thats synced to my debian server has gone all the way down to 12gb from 15 and my server itself somehow fell to 6 free gigabytes. whats going on? |
| 04:01.54 | friendlyGoat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.22 | magic_ninja | friendlyGoat, are you clearing out old syncs as you go? |
| 04:03.41 | friendlyGoat | i dont know alot about rsync, what do you mean old syncs? |
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| 04:04.14 | magic_ninja | I don't either. Basically, do you have it clearing out old files it no longer needs or does it constantly add? |
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| 04:10.45 | friendlyGoat | its supposed to clear out files it doesnt need anymore i think, i have it so it deletes things that arent in one or the other. |
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| 04:15.32 | magic_ninja | perhaps if you give a config file or some indication of how it is set up someone can check it out for you. |
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| 04:17.50 | friendlyGoat | sounds like a plan, someone in the xubuntu chat knows a bit about and uses rsync and asked to see my command, im gonna see how that goes. |
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| 04:32.19 | SZ[] | Can someone help me out with a grub issue? |
| 04:33.42 | diogenes_ | !ask | SZ[] |
| 04:34.09 | diogenes_ | nioe, doesn't work. |
| 04:34.49 | SZ[] | I compiled a new kernel and after running dpkg -i Linux-image/headers I run update-grub2. It lists my new kernel in the grub.cfg, but after restarting it is not in my grub menu |
| 04:35.48 | SZ[] | Grub verion : 2.02+dfsg1-16 990 |
| 04:35.58 | SZ[] | Debian Testing |
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| 04:41.47 | diogenes_ | SZ[], maybe create: /boot/grub/custom.cfg paste there your custom menu entry with initrd and linux pointing at your kernel, e.g. linux/boot/vmlinuzxyz. |
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| 04:50.26 | OS-48818 | hey,i am trying to register my nickname and dont get any email after im writing the massage?can someone help mw please? |
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| 04:51.35 | DEBlAN | k |
| 04:52.15 | at0m | OS-48818: email is just for password recovery, and not mandatory, afaik. see also #freenode |
| 04:53.14 | magic_ninja | OS-48818, try /msg nickserv help |
| 04:53.53 | OS-48818 | thanks a lot |
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| 04:55.59 | DEBlAN | guys can you help me out with udev rules ? i want to connect usb device that can expose itself with different interfaces depending on "mode", for example as an sd-card reader, or block device when in firmware flashing mode |
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| 05:00.55 | DEBlAN | anyone here ? |
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| 05:21.26 | SZ[] | My grub issue persists |
| 05:21.41 | SZ[] | I am also given the option to load kernel 4.9.0.8 |
| 05:21.52 | SZ[] | I do not know where it is getting that kernel from |
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| 05:25.29 | SZ[] | OK lets start with the basics |
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| 05:26.19 | SZ[] | my /boot folder has my config, initrdsystem.map, vmlinuz files in it |
| 05:26.49 | SZ[] | I compiled the kernel with make clean && make deb-pkg |
| 05:26.57 | SZ[] | I installed with dpkg -i |
| 05:27.28 | SZ[] | I ran update-grub2, It lists my kernel in the cfg file |
| 05:27.43 | SZ[] | What is missing from this process preventing my kernel from appearing in my grub menu |
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| 05:43.15 | dt3 | /close |
| 05:43.21 | dt3 | heh |
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| 06:29.30 | dileks | hi. is #debian-systemd the correct irc channel for systemd related stuff |
| 06:30.11 | dileks | or where to ask? |
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| 06:33.55 | at0m | !systemd |
| 06:33.56 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 06:34.01 | at0m | dileks: ^ |
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| 06:37.27 | dileks | at0m: thanks. there is only one guy around. we have here problems on the systemd jessie update 215-17+deb8u12 with postgres 9.4. with postgres user having no permissions to write to /var/run/postgresql/. a chown helped. |
| 06:37.58 | dileks | after reboot of the machine |
| 06:39.15 | user | what is the default password for parrot? |
| 06:39.37 | at0m | !parrot |
| 06:39.37 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 06:40.03 | user | thanks... |
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| 06:53.21 | AnononA | have you tried root toor |
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| 06:54.06 | AnononA | normally is usr root pss toor |
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| 07:00.12 | at0m | some advanced security right there. ideal for new users, learn them to run everything as root |
| 07:00.19 | at0m | /s |
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| 07:04.41 | Mystified1234 | http://dpaste.com/1MC264F |
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| 07:27.42 | at0m | Mystified1234: did you reinstall that machine? is it possible that there was another machine on that IP before? |
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| 07:57.24 | interrobangd | hello |
| 07:58.23 | interrobangd | which kernel modules are delivered with the mainline kernel source and which with the debian dist.? |
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| 07:58.46 | interrobangd | where i can see it? |
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| 08:09.05 | EmleyMoor | I've got both a package and a local install of qemu - is there a way to remove the package one but keep its dependants installed? |
| 08:09.27 | EmleyMoor | Alternatively how might I package qemu 4.0.0 for stretch? |
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| 08:14.24 | TTT | hi, I tried nordvpn app on my Debian install, and uninstalled it, and now I cannot edit /etc/resolv.conf even as root. How do I fix that |
| 08:14.36 | TTT | I checked config for selinux or apparmor, I don't see them protecting resolv.conf |
| 08:14.56 | TTT | AFAIK there's some ACL config that could prevent root from writing to a file, how do I check that? |
| 08:15.04 | ayekat | EmleyMoor: you could write a meta-package that depends on the dependencies you need |
| 08:15.12 | ayekat | EmleyMoor: but I guess packaging it would be cleaner |
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| 08:15.33 | ayekat | TTT: getfacl |
| 08:16.30 | TTT | # file: resolv.conf # owner: root # group: root user::rw- group::r-- other::r-- |
| 08:16.32 | TTT | looks ok to me |
| 08:17.01 | TTT | yet touch resolv.conf; touch: setting times of 'resolv.conf': Operation not permitted |
| 08:17.11 | EmleyMoor | I'm sure there's a factoid on rebuilding a package with a new upstream source, but I can't remember what to ask dpkg |
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| 08:19.59 | ayekat | TTT: and getfattr? |
| 08:20.34 | TTT | I don't have getfattr installed |
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| 08:21.10 | TTT | let me get it |
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| 08:24.26 | ayekat | TTT: then again I'm not sure wheter that'll reveal more |
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| 08:25.06 | TTT | I'm trying to get myself nordvpn deb, to see what on earth it did, but I have to be online in 20 minutes for a meeting, damn bad timing... |
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| 08:47.33 | EmleyMoor | How do I apply Debian's patches, where possible, to the new upstream? The instructions I've found call for "dquilt" which seems to be non-existent |
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| 08:55.24 | EmleyMoor | Anyone??? |
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| 08:58.46 | Erikano_Buzz0 | Hello all! |
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| 09:00.25 | HmpfCBR | Anyone else on LTS having problems with permissions not being set on /var/run/postgresql since systemd 215-17+deb8u12? |
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| 09:25.08 | at0m | HmpfCBR: dileks asked the same 3hrs ago. if that's not you. |
| 09:25.39 | HmpfCBR | at0m: nope that was not me. I check the backlog thanks. |
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| 09:35.25 | jmabsd | ah, "cmospwd" exists for Linux and is packaged, let's try. |
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| 09:41.48 | at0m | jmabsd: and nvramtool can dump all contents, too, though i haven't tried |
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| 09:50.45 | Brawcks | Hi guys, i'm facing a problem actually for which i can't find a solution (i did some research, but stil blocked, i can't understand) |
| 09:50.48 | Brawcks | E: Release file for http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 64d 13h 8min 48s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 09:51.33 | Brawcks | this error happen when i do an apt update, can't find the fix |
| 09:51.40 | Brawcks | any ideas ? Thanks |
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| 09:52.42 | Brawcks | i have this in my /etc/apt/source.list.d/backports.conf : |
| 09:52.54 | Brawcks | .list * |
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| 09:53.03 | Brawcks | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 09:53.30 | colo-work | jessie backports are dead. upgrade to stretch. |
| 09:55.19 | Brawcks | Oh, ok ! |
| 09:55.50 | Brawcks | There is no possibility to stay on jessie ? |
| 09:56.00 | towo^work | sure |
| 09:56.10 | towo^work | but only without backports |
| 09:56.11 | colo-work | jessie, without backports, will have LTS support until 2020 |
| 09:56.33 | colo-work | but you should consider upgrading to stretch. stretch's successor will be released in the forseeable future. |
| 09:57.35 | Brawcks | Ok, i'll keep it in mind, just some dependancies to fix first, its for an old production server on jessie 8.10, and it would be hard to change it fast. I'll try without backports first |
| 09:57.44 | Brawcks | Thanks for help :) |
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| 10:26.45 | sufy | hello anyone of the opinion buster is good to go if you want to test? |
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| 10:33.53 | themill | sufy: yes, buster is well into the freeze and there will only be small changes between now and release |
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| 10:46.37 | maelcum | hello. are there any plans to remove ifupdown, before i go and build something on top of it and will have to rewrite it later? |
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| 10:50.22 | d0x0b | Hello, i've installed xen-system-amd64 on my debian 9 when I try to boot the system I am getting following error: https://snag.gy/jLAMaT.jpg |
| 10:50.23 | epsilon | don't think it will disappear soon, but you'll find equivalent of each command with ip |
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| 10:51.27 | maelcum | epsilon: not really, i saw such a table. ip won't restart wpa_supplicant for you after a flakly wifi connection reappears, and such. although i guess most such things could be done via ifplugd. |
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| 10:52.38 | maelcum | they are really very different - /etc/network/interfaces (which is only interpreted by ifupdown afaik) describes a state, ip makes state changes |
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| 10:54.26 | epsilon | wait, i have mistaken ifupdown with net-tools (containing ifconfig) |
| 10:55.25 | maelcum | you don't seem to be the only one. this https://wiki.debian.org/NetToolsDeprecation looks a bit ominous for ifupdown, but at the same time shows no understanding of what it does |
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| 10:56.09 | maelcum | if something would replace it, it would be network-manager or systemd-networkd (rather garbage that one) |
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| 10:58.04 | epsilon | systemd is a master in failing bringing up interfaces on bootup, no way I trust it |
| 10:58.09 | hk238 | hi, does anyone know of a program you can use to create a bootable USB installer for debian? |
| 10:58.54 | epsilon | hk238: that install image from debian.org? |
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| 10:59.15 | hk238 | you can make a bootable usb on debian.org? |
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| 10:59.18 | maelcum | i've seen a very strange bug with systemd-networkd on an embedded system whose kernel had all the features enabled that are supposedly necessary according to the documentation, so... yeah |
| 10:59.34 | lupulo | hk238 netbootin and the iso as saying epsilon |
| 11:01.02 | lupulo | hk238 netbootin format the iso to usb and (the type of partition uefi or mbr) |
| 11:01.11 | hk238 | okay |
| 11:01.27 | epsilon | hk238: the install images from https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst & co can be directly written on USB with dd if=<debian.iso> of=<usb device> |
| 11:01.34 | lupulo | hk238 https://unetbootin.github.io/ |
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| 11:06.36 | hk238 | the debian package for netbootin seems to be missing |
| 11:07.03 | BCMM | lupulo: please don't recommend unetbootin |
| 11:07.07 | BCMM | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 11:07.36 | BCMM | hk238; lupulo: unetbootin basically tries to do some kind of magic to turn CD images in to USB images |
| 11:07.49 | hk238 | Hmm so you can just copy the iso file on the usb? |
| 11:08.12 | BCMM | that's not necessary for debian images, because they are already "hybrid" ISOs, specifically designed to boot from USB *and* DVD |
| 11:08.32 | BCMM | hk238: yes. debian iso images should be written to usb without modification |
| 11:09.09 | BCMM | the ability to use cp depends on a relatively recent coreutils, i think. it's functionally equivalent to using dd. |
| 11:09.22 | hk238 | Hmm so I guess you can also do that on filemanager? Or do you need to do the cp version? |
| 11:10.45 | BCMM | hk238: i wouldn't try it in a file manager. some tools might attempt to remove and recreate the file, instead of writing in to the existing file |
| 11:11.26 | BCMM | !unetbootin |
| 11:11.26 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 11:11.28 | BCMM | !hybrid images |
| 11:11.41 | hk238 | I was thinking about juts copy pasting the file |
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| 11:12.27 | BCMM | hk238: pasting it where, exactly? |
| 11:12.32 | hk238 | On the usb |
| 11:13.02 | BCMM | hk238: you *don't* want to make a USB stick with an FAT32 partition on it, and the iso stored as a file on that filesystem |
| 11:13.15 | BCMM | you want to actually write the contents of the iso file to the raw block device |
| 11:13.20 | tachikomas | Why not dd the iso to the usb ? |
| 11:13.33 | hk238 | okay I'll try the dd thing then |
| 11:13.48 | hk238 | I'm just trying to avoid using commandline commands when possible because it tends to get unnecessarily c omplicated |
| 11:13.55 | BCMM | hk238: i was about to ask the same question: what's wrong with just using dd? are you trying to create this usb on debian, or some other OS? |
| 11:14.05 | tachikomas | dd if=/somewhere/iso.iso of=/dev/USBDRIVE bs=4M |
| 11:14.35 | BCMM | hk238: if you *really* want a GUI, etcher should do the right thing. but i don't think that's available in debian's repos. |
| 11:14.58 | tachikomas | hk238: Why a gui for only one command ? |
| 11:15.34 | hk238 | well it would be convenient if I download the iso and then do something like right click and select create Usb |
| 11:15.51 | tachikomas | hk238: Not really. |
| 11:16.02 | tachikomas | what if i dont want to create usb each time i have an iso ? |
| 11:16.03 | hk238 | isntead of googling how to create USB on debian, and finding some place that reads what the commandline command is, and how to figure out what the device is called and all that |
| 11:16.17 | tachikomas | lsblk |
| 11:16.23 | tachikomas | then dd it. |
| 11:16.25 | hk238 | but anyway I'm doing the dd thing now |
| 11:16.30 | hk238 | so what's lsblk? |
| 11:16.31 | BCMM | hk238: honestly, i think you need to accept that creating a bootable USB stick is kind of an advanced task |
| 11:16.37 | BCMM | not something a typical user does every day! |
| 11:17.00 | hk238 | right, but it's only advanced because you're using the commandline for that? :D |
| 11:17.22 | tachikomas | hk238: do you need it everyday ? |
| 11:17.39 | hk238 | I'm just pointing out it's more convenient, that's all |
| 11:19.01 | hk238 | so do I write sdb or sdb1? Both are pointing to the USB? I think the sdb1 is a logical partition, so probably the non-partition part as in sdb? |
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| 11:20.29 | hk238 | It seems to be working |
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| 11:21.57 | tachikomas | your device is sda / sdb / sdc etc... |
| 11:22.10 | tachikomas | sda1 sda2 etc... are partition on sda device |
| 11:23.30 | hk238 | I wrote /dev/sdb and it seems to be doing something so I think it's working it's the 3.7gb firmware.iso (someone linked on this channel earlier) so it's going to a while |
| 11:24.06 | hk238 | I have a poorly working wifi device on my 2nd computer, the connection tends to drop without installing some driver first, so the net install failed last time I tried that |
| 11:24.13 | hk238 | but this should finish even if the wifi device stops working |
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| 11:27.30 | tachikomas | if you do have a full iso you should have a debian installed with the packages from the iso, be aware they might be outdated |
| 11:27.49 | tachikomas | you can ask to install without doing the update |
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| 11:28.51 | hk238 | I was thinking I'd try to fix the wifi after the install and then update |
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| 11:30.09 | tachikomas | what is your wifi issue exactly > |
| 11:30.10 | tachikomas | ? |
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| 11:30.50 | hk238 | it needs to get some sort of patch otherwise the connection hangs |
| 11:31.07 | hk238 | I knew the details at some point but I don't remember them anymore |
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| 11:38.01 | hk238 | Basically it had something to do with the device's own driver had some problem, which had some sort of error like, there was a wrong ID for the device or something like that. So the computer would sort of 'forget' what the device is, and you'd need to refresh it. But during the time it takes to install an OS, it's too long and the device loses connection |
| 11:38.39 | hk238 | there was some patch called something like 8903ci or something which was supposed to fix it, I don't remember the details anymore. I could look up the name of the device if I have the cardboard box somewhere lying around, it's not written on the device itself |
| 11:38.53 | hk238 | but anyway just starting the installer so far so good |
| 11:40.03 | tachikomas | hk238: see :) not that hard |
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| 11:43.24 | EdePopede | hk238: GUI file managers are now way more convenient. i use UUID on my HD partitions, mount them into properly numbered subdirectories in /media. file managers only show me their size, there's no way i can find out which is which. |
| 11:44.00 | hk238 | 'now' or 'no'? |
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| 11:44.33 | EdePopede | definitely no. imagine you have some 1TB partitions, and that's the only info the fm gives you. now mount #2. |
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| 11:45.16 | hk238 | I fail to see how I would have 1TB partitions |
| 11:45.54 | hk238 | But okay, maybe for someone who does, that makes sense |
| 11:46.13 | EdePopede | and maybe it would be possible to add arbitrary actions to the context menu on file types depending on which fm you use. but someone still would have to do it first. |
| 11:46.42 | EdePopede | hk238: it isn't really unusual to install more than one partition on a harddisk. |
| 11:47.50 | tachikomas | hk238: Actually, you can code that feature if you want. |
| 11:47.54 | EdePopede | i prefer to have one "small" partition causing trouble instead of one spanning the whole disk. had arbitrary freezes in the past, so i'm careful. |
| 11:48.17 | hk238 | Now.. Which DE to choose : |
| 11:48.28 | epsilon | it should be normal at least to separate var, home, root |
| 11:48.30 | tachikomas | depend what you want ? |
| 11:48.38 | EdePopede | which one you prefer and which one works best on the PC |
| 11:48.42 | hk238 | Hmm I don't know. I think I could go with Mate |
| 11:48.50 | tachikomas | than go to mate. |
| 11:48.59 | hk238 | It's not a super computer so KDE is probably too heavy. I find gnome a bit fishy with the javascript stuff |
| 11:49.15 | epsilon | hk238: to try out, use debian live images |
| 11:49.32 | EdePopede | i've read some days ago that KDE $thingy (the 5) is better in ressources, but no idea. |
| 11:49.36 | tachikomas | hk238: what kind of computer is it ? |
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| 11:50.00 | hk238 | speaking of all that I should also re-install this computer but this is tedious with deciding what stuff I'd like to keep or not. It's a computer I got for 30$ |
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| 11:50.18 | tachikomas | EdePopede: compared to what ? The older version ? |
| 11:50.23 | hk238 | Which was amazing because it has an SSD HD but I think it has motherboard graphics |
| 11:50.30 | EdePopede | tachikomas: that's how i understood it |
| 11:51.18 | tachikomas | hk238: if you feel tilling you could try i3 |
| 11:51.23 | hk238 | hmm the installer may have frozen again, because it configured the network thing anyway. I'll restart and try and disable the network |
| 11:51.35 | hk238 | What's i3? |
| 11:51.39 | EdePopede | but i didn't touch it after KDE3 (iirc). only installed one (3 or 4, don't remember) on someone's PC. he has no clue about how to use such a develish apparatus besides "press the button" so it was ok :) |
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| 11:51.58 | hk238 | I installed KDE on this one, liked it at first, sort of, but then ended up not liking it very much |
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| 11:52.10 | EdePopede | hk: if you feel i |
| 11:52.13 | hk238 | yeah I think the installer is stuck now |
| 11:52.36 | EdePopede | hk: if you feel like exploring you could throw some other DE to your computer and figure out the differences |
| 11:53.00 | EdePopede | maybe some boot parameter to not look for wifi |
| 11:53.08 | hk238 | yeah I feel this computer at least is a complete mess, plus I think it's hacked and has some sort of malware potentially, but for the most part I don't mind |
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| 11:53.24 | tachikomas | hk238: some sort of malware where ? |
| 11:53.32 | hk238 | It's a long story |
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| 11:54.28 | hk238 | So to clarify Ihave 2 computers, I'm chatting from the 'main' computer. I think it has some sort of malware and I also think someone might have hacked it at some point, but how come that's the case is a long story. Anyway I'm installing the OS on the second computer, which has the wifi issue. This one is connected by cable. |
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| 11:54.53 | tachikomas | so, why not connecting the second one by cable ? |
| 11:55.07 | hk238 | I don't have a cable, and I have a wifi device |
| 11:55.14 | EdePopede | hk238. something else someone mentioned recently: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/ (just to get an impression about the do's and dont's) |
| 11:55.19 | hk238 | problem is the wifi device has some sort of problem |
| 11:55.29 | tachikomas | second if you boot from an usb drive, its mostly unlikely that you have any security issue |
| 11:55.33 | hk238 | as has been discussed already |
| 11:55.40 | hk238 | okay so now I need to figure out how to do this install without network |
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| 11:56.19 | atpa8a | hello |
| 11:56.20 | tachikomas | disconnect the wifi ? |
| 11:56.25 | hk238 | I guessI could disconnect the device |
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| 11:56.37 | tachikomas | remove the cable from your first computer and plug it on the second |
| 11:56.46 | hk238 | the cable doesn' treach that far |
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| 11:57.05 | hk238 | and it seems it like it should be possible to just install this using the USB in the first place |
| 11:57.24 | no_gravity | I often wish I could do "less 1234.txt" and then while reading 1234.txt press rightarrow to switch to 1235.txt and left arrow to switch to 1233.txt. Any ideas how to realize this? |
| 11:57.43 | EdePopede | i bought a 15m eth cable when i first had 2 working PCs around, wasn't *that* expensive. didn't have to use this one for years, but it's still there. can't be wrong having one. |
| 11:57.44 | atpa8a | which "framework" for network initialization is used in stretch? my wifi connects but doesn't set the search domains in resolv.conf |
| 11:57.52 | tachikomas | no_gravity: use vim |
| 11:58.06 | tachikomas | or ranger as a terminal file manager |
| 11:58.14 | no_gravity | tachikomas: How would you realize it with vim? |
| 11:58.40 | tachikomas | no_gravity: plugins ? macro ? |
| 11:58.51 | EdePopede | no_gravity: or mc in a terminal. C-q opens a quickview on the "other" panel. |
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| 11:59.04 | atpa8a | vim 123*.txt :bn |
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| 11:59.35 | no_gravity | EdePopede: But I don't want C-q. I want right-arrow to go to the next text file and left arrow to go to the previous. |
| 12:00.19 | EdePopede | no_gravity: your choice of tools depends of what hotkeys they use? |
| 12:00.39 | hk238 | I disconnected the wifi device manually and the installation process seems to work so far |
| 12:00.41 | EdePopede | open the view and you can scroll through the file list |
| 12:00.53 | tachikomas | atpa8a: on jessie ? maybe look around systemd resolve |
| 12:01.26 | atpa8a | on stretch, not jessie |
| 12:01.27 | hk238 | no_gravity it seems to me that you also use the arrows to move the cursor around, so that would be a bit inconvenient? But I can see it would make sense, maybe something like ctrl + right/left arrow |
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| 12:01.53 | hk238 | Also do you mean reading the next file from the same folder as the source file, or moving between tabs of already open files? |
| 12:02.18 | no_gravity | hk238: Yeah, it would be nice if :n could be mapped to ctrl+right. |
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| 12:03.19 | atpa8a | no_gravity: i never needed to get that specific with vim... but i think you should be able to remap the keys |
| 12:03.50 | no_gravity | atpa8a: Sure, remapping is easy in Vim. I have a ton of mappings. |
| 12:03.56 | no_gravity | atpa8a: But I would prefer to use less. |
| 12:04.42 | atpa8a | IIRC you can open multiple files with less but not sure about key bindings to navigate |
| 12:05.05 | no_gravity | atpa8a: "less 123*" and then :n for next and :p for previous. |
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| 12:05.22 | no_gravity | atpa8a: But that means I have to decide upfront which files to open. |
| 12:05.37 | no_gravity | atpa8a: And :n/:p is not that convenient. |
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| 12:07.01 | pragomer | if bash completion know different posibilities, it shows them in several columns (like I would do "ls" without the "-l" option). |
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| 12:07.30 | pragomer | can I change that, so that when I press "tab, tab, tab...." to completion, all is shown in just one column? |
| 12:07.32 | domovoy | hi |
| 12:08.08 | domovoy | trying to setup uwsgi-emperor, i get permissions troubles: https://pastebin.com/fekNSfcn any idea why? |
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| 12:12.46 | hk238 | the install was successful, yay |
| 12:13.49 | hk238 | I feel tempted to reinstall this computer also :d |
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| 12:15.32 | tachikomas | hk238: try to do a bit more command line next time :) its always nice to dont rely on gui |
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| 12:17.14 | dooteo | Hi there! I've got a computer with internal 3 USB sound card |
| 12:17.20 | dooteo | Sometimes one or more USB sound card does not work, but there is no error message. They seems to be suspended. |
| 12:17.27 | dooteo | Even I modify Debian Installer adding "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="usbcore.autosuspend=-1" to /target/etc/default/grub && update-grub on targtet, once installation is over, and computer rebooted, no USB sound card sounds. |
| 12:17.32 | tachikomas | dooteo: is it a laptop ? |
| 12:17.35 | dooteo | sometimes I need to switch power off and on computer again to check out that all USB sound cards work. |
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| 12:18.02 | dooteo | No, it's an special computer with DB9 connectors to sound output |
| 12:18.04 | tachikomas | do you have any kind of powersaving feature ? laptop mode tools ? |
| 12:18.21 | dooteo | Desktop computer for Industrial Area |
| 12:18.42 | dooteo | yep |
| 12:18.50 | dooteo | it contains laptop-detect package |
| 12:18.54 | tachikomas | then look into that :) |
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| 12:19.18 | tachikomas | mainly laptopmodtools or other powersaving feature deactivate the sound card after a while |
| 12:19.32 | tachikomas | it might not getting out of sleep for another reason |
| 12:19.50 | dooteo | ok, let me check it! |
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| 12:20.19 | tachikomas | look at something called CONTROL_*_POWER=! |
| 12:20.25 | tachikomas | *1 |
| 12:20.47 | tachikomas | you can also autosuspend device blacklist |
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| 12:24.03 | EdePopede | hk238: if you suspect it to be hacked/infected you maybe should. still could make a dump of the system for later analysis. |
| 12:24.31 | hk238 | I think that sort of analysis is beyond my skills here :D |
| 12:24.50 | hk238 | meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how to add myself to sudoers group |
| 12:25.04 | EdePopede | it's root's job |
| 12:25.40 | hk238 | also the network connection is not working |
| 12:25.46 | hk238 | how do I login as root from the terminal? |
| 12:26.45 | tachikomas | hk238: su root |
| 12:27.02 | tachikomas | or su - root |
| 12:27.24 | greycat | or Ctrl-Alt-F2 |
| 12:27.39 | divx | Came across 'rxvt-unicode-256color' in apt while trying to install 'rxvt-unicode'. I looked the package up, it says "dummy transitional package for rxvt-unicode", I'm guessing it can safely be ignored? |
| 12:27.48 | tachikomas | greycat: why ? |
| 12:27.58 | greycat | it's one of the ways to login as root |
| 12:28.06 | greycat | it even involves a terminal |
| 12:28.10 | colo-work | divx, afair, urxvt has 256 color support in the "vanilla" version nowadays |
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| 12:28.43 | tachikomas | greycat: what is the point for a gui user to open a pty root on his computer, especially since xserv exist ? :D |
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| 12:28.53 | hk238 | ok thanks managed to add myself in the sudoers |
| 12:29.08 | hk238 | but now the wifi is not working and I'm not sure how to fix it :p |
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| 12:29.25 | divx | colo-work, alright thanks. Seems to be what the Arch wiki was saying as well |
| 12:29.54 | greycat | He asked "how do I login as root from the terminal?" |
| 12:30.14 | greycat | I gave a 100% valid answer. An answer I have used myself. It's not a joke. |
| 12:30.59 | dooteo | tachikomas: there is only laptop-detect installeds, but no other packs for laptop kind of computers. |
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| 12:31.28 | dooteo | I found not confiration file at /etc/ with CONTROL or POWER keywords |
| 12:31.45 | dooteo | I wanna m wrote "configuration files" |
| 12:31.53 | tachikomas | dooteo: are you using any DE ? |
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| 12:32.19 | dooteo | no, it has just shell |
| 12:32.26 | tachikomas | Do you have any sleep hooks or some custom made systemd configuration ? |
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| 12:33.34 | tachikomas | Do you use pulseaudio ? |
| 12:33.37 | dooteo | There are some client systemd services, but they does not set system as suspended |
| 12:33.46 | dooteo | no, just ALSA |
| 12:34.24 | dooteo | with same configuration, if I remove power connector and plug it again, sound begins to work well |
| 12:34.29 | tachikomas | Wait, its an usb powered device right ? |
| 12:34.36 | tachikomas | usb device |
| 12:34.48 | dooteo | Other feature is that / partition is ReadOnly |
| 12:35.10 | dooteo | USB Sound cards are internals, |
| 12:35.28 | tachikomas | what kernel are you on ? |
| 12:35.37 | tachikomas | 4.17+ ? |
| 12:35.38 | dooteo | There is only DB9 connectors to send sound to speakers |
| 12:35.58 | dooteo | 4.9.0-4 |
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| 12:36.46 | tachikomas | what you could try is a options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf if they use a HDA intel compatible device |
| 12:37.23 | dooteo | They use snd_usb_audio driver |
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| 12:38.05 | dooteo | let me try "options snd_usb_audio power_save=0" at that file |
| 12:38.23 | tachikomas | might work |
| 12:39.30 | dooteo | is not there some kind of option like "usbcore.autosuspend=-1" for power? |
| 12:39.39 | dooteo | to set into GRUB? |
| 12:39.45 | tachikomas | not that i know. |
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| 12:40.37 | tachikomas | your problem really look like a powerfeature from the kernel. But its not written if usb_audio support powermanagement |
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| 12:45.59 | Shahnaz | anybody know if theres a s3fs channel? |
| 12:46.29 | Shahnaz | if not, does somebody use s3fs + netapp and has delay problems while coping files? |
| 12:46.50 | Shahnaz | ie. list takes a long time and it seems it waits for another unrelated operation to finish |
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| 12:47.44 | domovoy | trying to setup uwsgi-emperor, i get permissions troubles: https://pastebin.com/fekNSfcn any idea why? |
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| 12:48.37 | atpa8a | ahh... seems like connman is what's managing networks in stretch... |
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| 12:50.10 | atpa8a | Apr 24 18:51:14 myhost connmand[317]: Failed to set domainname to mydomain.net |
| 12:50.17 | atpa8a | and there's my problem |
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| 12:57.24 | dooteo | tachikomas: only one of three USB sound cards is working |
| 12:57.39 | dooteo | with "options snd_usb_audio power_save=0" |
| 12:58.24 | dooteo | Other two are in silent |
| 12:58.37 | tachikomas | mhh :/ no clue then. |
| 12:58.50 | dooteo | Alsamixer is configured for all sound card, volume output are set with -5 dB |
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| 12:59.40 | tachikomas | Have you try another kernel ? might be a driver issue for this one |
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| 13:00.22 | dooteo | I tried with Linux Mint 19.1 LiveCD, and the same issue |
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| 13:03.16 | tachikomas | mhh... did you try with a 4.20+ ? |
| 13:03.30 | tachikomas | if i remember well saw something about usb in a change log before 4.20 |
| 13:03.36 | munshine | Hello! Beginner question: when I install a new package, how does that work so it is (when available) reachable from the shell? Is there a file somewhere linking commands to binaries location? |
| 13:04.43 | tachikomas | munshine: we call it the path |
| 13:04.54 | tachikomas | in a terminal do echo $PATH |
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| 13:05.23 | tachikomas | each location are separetaed by a : |
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| 13:07.03 | dooteo | tachikomas: Unfortunately, my company decided we must use 4.9 until next big developing jump! |
| 13:07.16 | munshine | haaa! Thanks tachikomas :) |
| 13:07.25 | tachikomas | dooteo: I know that feeling |
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| 13:08.11 | tachikomas | munshine: if you add any scripts inside one of thoses folders, remember to make it executable :) |
| 13:08.31 | tachikomas | chmod +x <myfile> |
| 13:09.10 | munshine | haha you just anticipated my next question! Thanks! |
| 13:09.16 | tachikomas | :) |
| 13:09.30 | tachikomas | i would recommend to place your own scripts somewhere else |
| 13:09.58 | tachikomas | and add that to the path |
| 13:10.15 | tachikomas | OR place them in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 13:10.22 | tachikomas | avoid using /bin or /usr/bin |
| 13:10.48 | tachikomas | just to keep it clean :) |
| 13:12.15 | munshine | I was using this: /home/munshine/.local/bin is that ok? That's for a python script |
| 13:12.29 | tachikomas | does it need to be executed only by you ? |
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| 13:12.32 | tachikomas | or system wide ? |
| 13:12.34 | tachikomas | like root |
| 13:12.38 | tachikomas | or sudo ? |
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| 13:13.02 | tachikomas | you can definetly use that aswell |
| 13:13.07 | dooteo | munshine: for your personal use, move those scripts into $HOME/bin |
| 13:13.08 | tachikomas | cd |
| 13:14.01 | dooteo | and modify $HOME/.bashrc to expand PATH env var (see $HOME/.profile) |
| 13:14.02 | greycat | A script that you're writing/working on for personal use that isn't really ready for a wider audience generally goes in $HOME/bin. When it's ready for someone other than you to use, it can graduate to /usr/local/bin. |
| 13:14.22 | munshine | I'm trying to make a clean python package, so ideally it's meant to be public and to be installed by others. |
| 13:14.42 | munshine | Ha ok! Wow, whole new world for me |
| 13:14.54 | tachikomas | then /usr/local/bin |
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| 13:15.08 | munshine | Ok! Thanks :) |
| 13:15.11 | tachikomas | for the target would be nice. |
| 13:15.13 | greycat | You'd want to ask #python about python packages. I assume those are more involved than just a single script in a single file that you run directly. |
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| 13:16.13 | Oddmonger | hello, can someone tells me how to start squid ? |
| 13:16.45 | tachikomas | as a service ? |
| 13:16.50 | Oddmonger | yes |
| 13:17.04 | tachikomas | i would "systemctl start squid.service" |
| 13:17.07 | greycat | just installing the package should do it, but Debian's packaging only uses RAM, not disk cache |
| 13:17.25 | Oddmonger | its systemd service is broken, and /etc/init.d/squid uses systemctl too |
| 13:17.28 | greycat | if you want it to use disk cache, you have to modify the configuration and possibly create the cache structure (it's been a while) |
| 13:17.38 | greycat | funny, it worked for me |
| 13:18.01 | Oddmonger | maybe you are using squid4 in unstable ? |
| 13:18.03 | greycat | yes, it does appear to use an init.d in stretch |
| 13:18.11 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.38 | greycat | what problem did you have with it specifically? |
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| 13:19.11 | Oddmonger | squid.service: PID file /var/run/squid/squid.pid not readable |
| 13:19.50 | greycat | I have a /var/run/squid directory but it's empty. |
| 13:20.04 | Oddmonger | i tried and changed pid location in squid.conf and in /etc/init.d/squid, but it is still searched at the same place |
| 13:20.55 | greycat | The only mention of squid.pid I see in my squid.conf is commented out. |
| 13:21.41 | greycat | So it's using the default /var/run/squid.pid which I have as -rw-r--r-- 1 root proxy 5 Feb 19 09:48 /var/run/squid.pid |
| 13:21.44 | Oddmonger | squid seems to start despite its error (telnet localhost 3128, and then get is ok) |
| 13:22.49 | Oddmonger | but it seems blocking (the shell is blocked until i control-C), so i'm afraid of a start at boot |
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| 13:23.02 | greycat | what shell? |
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| 13:23.35 | Oddmonger | the shell from which i exec «systemctl ⦠» or «/etc/init.d/squid start» |
| 13:23.51 | greycat | so you're saying it didn't start automatically at boot? |
| 13:24.09 | colo-work | don't use/do `/etc/init.d/something start` |
| 13:24.15 | colo-work | use `service something start` |
| 13:24.18 | greycat | maybe it's because of your modified squid.pid location? |
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| 13:25.05 | Oddmonger | i have removed the entry where i had modified squid.pid location, as it didn't changed anything |
| 13:26.11 | Oddmonger | «service squid start» is blocking too⦠it launches a squid instance, but don't give back shell prompt |
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| 13:26.58 | Oddmonger | and «journalctl -u squid» shows it is using systemctl |
| 13:27.12 | greycat | if you don't have any custom stuff in squid.conf that you want to save, I would suggest you --purge the package and reinstall it |
| 13:27.25 | greycat | something's definitely screwy |
| 13:28.14 | humpled | i'm having a problem with /var/run too, ownerships have changed and neither screen nor mpd will start |
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| 13:28.34 | humpled | this is on debian 8 tho, on 9 they work fine |
| 13:28.55 | Oddmonger | it is «apt remove --purge» for removing config, ok |
| 13:29.01 | Oddmonger | didn't knew |
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| 13:29.23 | greycat | I use "dpkg --purge" when it's just one package and I don't also need automatic dependency handling. |
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| 13:30.08 | Oddmonger | ah, «apt purge» seems ok too |
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| 13:31.54 | Oddmonger | well, i have just reanabled my new pid location (in /var/run/squid/ ), and now, systemctl starts squid without errors⦠|
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| 13:34.15 | Oddmonger | but for doing this, you'll have to copy the generated squid.service (from /run/systemd/generatorâ¦) into /etc/systemd/system , and then |
| 13:34.45 | Oddmonger | remove: #SourcePath=/etc/init.d/squid in [Unit] |
| 13:34.47 | greycat | I didn't mess with any of that. I'm just using the stretch package with its init.d script. |
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| 13:35.26 | Oddmonger | well, i must have missed a thing, but on fresh start, it didn't start |
| 13:35.45 | Oddmonger | in service file, you must also point to the correct PID : PIDFile=/var/run/squid/squid.pid |
| 13:35.57 | Oddmonger | (with the same location in squid config) |
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| 13:36.32 | Oddmonger | i know it's not very clean to use its own system service file, but i don't know how to do better |
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| 14:02.58 | humpled | on debian 9, /run/screen is owned by root:utmp and /run/mpd by mpd:audio, whereas on debian 8 both are owned by root:root |
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| 14:04.51 | hk238 | done installing debian anew on this computer |
| 14:05.17 | humpled | i can change them and things work but they are reset on reboot, apparently /run is on tmpfs, in all cases they have suitable conf files in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d |
| 14:05.41 | domovoy | trying to setup uwsgi-emperor, i get permissions troubles about realpath(): https://pastebin.com/fekNSfcn any idea why? (does realpath() need some permissions i haven't set?) |
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| 14:06.46 | humpled | domovoy testapp has group uwsgi, but /srv/uwsgi and below are not group writable |
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| 14:07.12 | domovoy | humpled> why should they be writable? |
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| 14:07.38 | humpled | don't know |
| 14:08.46 | domovoy | realpath() doesn't need write access does it? unless something is very wrong |
| 14:09.44 | humpled | yup sorry i just saw the permission denied on that path and jumped to a conclusion |
| 14:10.53 | domovoy | i also tried `chmod -R o+rX /srv/uwsgi` with no luck |
| 14:11.23 | hk238 | hm how do I add myself to the sudoers file? it seems to not have worked |
| 14:11.49 | tachikomas | hk238: look at usermod |
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| 14:12.15 | LtL | hk238: run 'visudo' and add the user. |
| 14:12.17 | hk238 | I tried that but it didn't work? |
| 14:13.23 | greycat | hk238: in debian, the 'sudo' group has full access to sudo, so all you need to do is add yourself to the sudo GROUP, and log out and back in. "adduser myusername sudo" |
| 14:13.24 | karlpinc | !sudoers |
| 14:13.24 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 14:13.25 | hk238 | or maybe it did work, but it didn't get saved |
| 14:13.47 | LtL | hk238: logout/login |
| 14:14.00 | hk238 | oh okay I'll relog |
| 14:17.02 | roylaprattep | Someone can explain me all the steps to upgrade Jessie to Stretch, I am pretty confused now, I tought only a dist-upgrade was necessary after changing sources.list to strech repo |
| 14:18.04 | LtL | roylaprattep: you need to apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade after soures.list is edited. |
| 14:18.22 | LtL | *sources.list |
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| 14:18.33 | roylaprattep | I heard that dist-upgrade do not upgrade completely to stretch |
| 14:19.00 | LtL | roylaprattep: it certainly did for me. |
| 14:19.23 | LtL | roylaprattep: note- you cannot skip releases. |
| 14:19.33 | roylaprattep | i heard of full-upgrade |
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| 14:19.53 | LtL | but you aren't doing that so, nevermind. |
| 14:20.07 | roylaprattep | whats the differences between both |
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| 14:20.48 | hk238 | hello |
| 14:21.02 | hk238 | I think the sudo works now after relogging |
| 14:21.04 | greycat | "apt full-upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" are the same thing |
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| 14:21.14 | hk238 | but now I got some additional problems audio is not working probably need to start pulseaudio or something like that |
| 14:21.52 | roylaprattep | greycat: ok, full-upgrade if for users using aptitude instead |
| 14:22.02 | roylaprattep | is* |
| 14:22.03 | hk238 | and also probably need to install proprietary nvidia drivers so I need to add the non-free repos but how do I do that again? |
| 14:22.39 | roylaprattep | hk238: edit your sources.list and add "non-free" at the end of the line |
| 14:22.55 | hk238 | but they seem to be in there already? |
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| 14:23.14 | roylaprattep | then you are ok, just install the package you need. |
| 14:23.17 | hk238 | there's many lines containing apparently the same lines? |
| 14:23.40 | roylaprattep | each line is different |
| 14:24.19 | greycat | aptitude is NOT recommended for release upgrades, because it has a history of getting confused with large changes |
| 14:24.39 | roylaprattep | greycat: i never used aptitude since i am using debian anyway |
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| 14:25.41 | hk238 | okay so they were not included in the first 2 lines but they were on the last 4 lines so I added them to the first 2 as well |
| 14:26.02 | roylaprattep | now do a apt-get update and you are good to go |
| 14:27.04 | hk238 | okay thanks it seems to be working, I think. Did nvidia-detect and then sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver |
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| 14:27.40 | hk238 | I wonder if there's a driver for this audiocard too? Although I think it works without the driver, I just need to select the channel from somewhere ,which might require installing some package |
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| 14:28.05 | hk238 | I forgot what I had to do, I went through this before when I last installed debian, although I think it was a different release |
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| 14:30.40 | freeCrypto | Earn bitcoin easily here :) |
| 14:30.40 | freeCrypto | https://www.coinpayu.com/?r=csanchez |
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| 14:32.05 | roylaprattep | \\10.17.10.13Cunt. |
| 14:32.08 | roylaprattep | Cunt. |
| 14:32.46 | hk238 | Free lunch spam :p |
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| 14:39.32 | dsbv | Anyone can help with l2tp/ipsec vpn config with debian - I'm not getting the ppp0 link up after issuing ipsec up myvpn , and echo "c myvpn" > /var/run/xl2tpd/l2tp-control, ipsec log : http://paste.debian.net/1079324/ |
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| 14:40.24 | dsbv | also had to enable unencrypted_main_mode (found via https://kevinlocke.name/bits/2017/08/26/strongswan-sonicwall-payload-type-id-v1-was-not-encrypted/ ) |
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| 14:43.59 | hk238 | yay got audio working too |
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| 14:45.13 | hk238 | now I'd need to fix the wifi for the other one |
| 14:45.17 | hk238 | https://wikidevi.com/wiki/ASUS_USB-N10_Nano |
| 14:45.36 | petn-randall | dsbv: Is that the log from the server or the client? |
| 14:45.39 | hk238 | I think this is the correct fix, or could be, but now the wifi is not activating at all.. So I'd need to figure out how to get connected for long enough to install the fix |
| 14:45.41 | hk238 | any ideas about that? |
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| 14:46.44 | dsbv | petn-randall, client to server |
| 14:47.06 | dsbv | I'm behind NAT , checked with win10 machine behind the same router and it worked |
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| 14:49.24 | petn-randall | dsbv: NAT is always tricky with ipsec. What is the log output on the server during the whole transaction? |
| 14:49.43 | dsbv | I have no access to the server |
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| 15:01.16 | dsbv | petn-randall, by any chance you have an l2tp/ipsec config you use as a client and can share ? |
| 15:01.32 | dsbv | Which work with NAT |
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| 15:04.52 | hk238 | This is getting tricky :d |
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| 15:06.13 | hk238 | is it possible to get a package in an offline installable form? |
| 15:06.14 | petn-randall | dsbv: I don't use ipsec for many reasons, so I don't have a config to share. Besides, that config would depend on the server config. |
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| 15:08.32 | dsbv | Thank you petn-randall |
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| 15:14.58 | petn-randall | dsbv: I'd try to get the server admin to help you debug the issue, AFAICS the server is terminating the connection for unknown reasons. |
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| 15:15.21 | dsbv | I thought it was a client configuration error |
| 15:15.52 | dsbv | I got into that belief because debian iniate QuickMode |
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| 15:18.52 | Ingvix | Can I somehow launch app below my wm? If I execute the app before the wm with override_redirect on, it stays in the background but is it possible to launch it to the back after starting the wm? |
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| 15:28.03 | BCMM | what's the correct way of getting the attention of ops in here? |
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| 15:29.38 | `ajven | Hello, Im trying to make GPU passthrue to VM with Win10. I see my GPU 1080Ti have PCI ID 41:00.0 and 41:00.1 but when I list full iommu group this group with number 41:00.0 not exist. https://pastebin.com/Na0DfpcUany idea how I can fix that? |
| 15:30.40 | petn-randall | BCMM: Just call `!ops <reason you need ops attention> |
| 15:31.40 | petn-randall | `ajven: That paste just gives me "This page has been removed!" |
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| 15:32.44 | `ajven | petn-randall, reupload - https://pastebin.com/BWKsKWwE |
| 15:33.53 | petn-randall | `ajven: And what is the output of `lspci -nn`? |
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| 15:34.54 | `ajven | petn-randall https://pastebin.com/pRYbpbXM |
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| 15:53.29 | petn-randall | `ajven: IOMMU groups are not related to PCI IDs. |
| 15:55.05 | petn-randall | I take that back. |
| 15:55.07 | `ajven | petn-randall so what to do in this case? |
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| 15:55.36 | petn-randall | Seems as though nvidia just doesn't support IOMMU. In this case you can either buy an AMD card or pass through your Intel card. |
| 15:56.15 | `ajven | but on network I can find a lot of info about supporting this gpu for passthrue :( |
| 15:57.03 | petn-randall | `ajven: Is your host OS using that card? |
| 15:57.33 | `ajven | now not, im connected to AMD RX550 GPU I keep 1080Ti for passthrue |
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| 16:00.22 | petn-randall | `ajven: You might want to work through https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Gotchas then. |
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| 16:00.51 | tmroland | hi, i installed gnome packages from experimental rep and gnome session doesnt appear in gdm |
| 16:00.53 | tmroland | only plasma |
| 16:01.30 | petn-randall | tmroland: It's called "experimental" for a reason. And mixing stable and experimental is not recommended. |
| 16:01.54 | tmroland | im on sid |
| 16:02.01 | petn-randall | Ah, in that case: |
| 16:02.04 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 16:02.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:11.10 | sangy | I have an image that's using this on their sources.list 'deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main' and it appears to fail. Should i be replacing this with something else? or is the image just too old |
| 16:11.20 | greycat | !jessie-updates |
| 16:11.21 | dpkg | jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17. |
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| 16:12.07 | sangy | greycat: ah, so just dropping jessie-updates would do the trick I take it? |
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| 16:14.01 | greycat | yes, just delete that line |
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| 16:16.38 | sangy | thanks! |
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| 16:36.10 | ebol4 | is there a way to change the order that dhcpcd places DNS entries in resolv.conf for different interfaces? |
| 16:36.20 | ebol4 | it's placing the DNS servers from eth0 above wlan0 |
| 16:36.25 | ebol4 | but I want to use wlan0's DNS servers |
| 16:36.44 | ebol4 | i tried changing the metric in dhcpcd.conf for eth0, but that only seems to effect routes |
| 16:36.50 | greycat | sounds like you want to dig into the resolvconf package |
| 16:37.12 | ebol4 | i'm actually using systemd-resolved to further complicate things |
| 16:37.22 | greycat | if resolvconf can't do it, then I don't know what could |
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| 16:47.18 | BCMM | ebol4: what do you mean by "for different interfaces"? |
| 16:47.43 | BCMM | if you mean network interfaces, i'm not sure the question is meaningful - DNS happens *before* you decide which network interface you are going to use |
| 16:48.49 | tds | resolved does have a concept of resolvers being attached to interfaces though, and will pick which interface's resolvers to use based on the search domains for each interface |
| 16:49.04 | tds | ebol4: you can set the search domain to ~. if you want to force all queries out a specific interface |
| 16:49.26 | BCMM | oh i see, the dns servers that are *provided by* different interfaces, e.g. by dhcp |
| 16:49.35 | ebol4 | yeah exactly, dhcp is setting them |
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| 16:49.50 | ebol4 | eth0's end up first in the list of DNS servers, and i don't want that |
| 16:50.28 | tds | oh, you still see a list of actual dns resolvers in resolv.conf? I wouldn't expect that with most resolved configurations, just one entry for resolved's stub listener on 127.0.0.53 |
| 16:50.40 | BCMM | that's the bit that's puzzling me here too |
| 16:50.43 | ebol4 | no, i see them if i run `systemd-resolve --status` |
| 16:50.50 | ebol4 | it's using the DNS server from eth0's DHCP lease |
| 16:50.55 | tds | ah right |
| 16:51.14 | ebol4 | and if I dig, I get a result from eth0's DNS server |
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| 16:52.50 | tds | so if you want to force it to use wlan0's resolver, the easiest option is probably to set wlan0's search domain to ~. |
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| 17:03.15 | atpa8a | grrr... so i figured out that stretch uses connman for connections... but still not clear why it would not set search domain |
| 17:03.18 | atpa8a | any clues? |
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| 17:06.19 | greycat | ,info connman |
| 17:06.20 | judd | Package connman (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: Intel Connection Manager daemon. Version: 1.33-3+deb9u1; Size: 380.6k; Installed: 1148k; Homepage: https://01.org/connman |
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| 18:48.18 | Sleaker | ,v firefox-esr |
| 18:48.19 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.6.1esr-1; sid: 60.6.1esr-1 |
| 18:48.39 | Sleaker | oh wierd, is there not a new esr for buster? |
| 18:49.00 | Sleaker | oh mozilla wont put one out until July. |
| 18:49.07 | greycat | buster will follow the same plan as stretch |
| 18:49.30 | greycat | only abandon the currently supported-by-Debian firefox-esr package when upstream abandons it |
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| 18:49.37 | Sleaker | ahh ok |
| 18:49.44 | Sleaker | so that means after EST 60.9.0 ? |
| 18:49.51 | Sleaker | ESR* |
| 18:50.08 | greycat | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ |
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| 18:50.27 | Sleaker | yah I'm looking at their overview thing |
| 18:50.45 | greycat | ESR 60 is abandoned on October 23, so that's when Debian will switch to ESR 68 |
| 18:50.52 | Sleaker | mhmm makes sense |
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| 18:51.17 | domovoy | this is starting to piss me off, how the hell do i make firefox forget about hsts for a website? (ns1.errlock.dev) it keeps giving me the https. I cleared cache and everything, closed firefox, deleted SiteSecurityServiceState.txt, cert(8|9).db, and send "Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=0; includeSubDomains" header |
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| 18:55.33 | domovoy | when did all those apps decided to go the way of "designed for monkeys"? What happened to "this may not be the easiest software to configure, but _you_ have the power, we won't stop you of doing wtf you want" |
| 18:56.04 | format_c | domovoy: which one you're referring to? |
| 18:57.19 | domovoy | format_c> firefox, and virtually every with little to no config, and no easy way to change _anything_ |
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| 18:58.20 | domovoy | format_c> ho, you just joined, i'm looking for a way to make firefox forget about hsts for my website, it keeps giving me https |
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| 18:58.45 | greycat | 'The HSTS Policy is communicated by the server to the user agent via an HTTPS response header field named "Strict-Transport-Security".' |
| 18:59.02 | format_c | domovoy: he well the standard states that this is wanted that the user cannot recurse |
| 18:59.06 | ross` | Can someone help me out, I have an gigabyte aorus z390 ultra motherboard and the net installer can't find a driver for my build in NIC |
| 18:59.21 | greycat | So, if it's *your* server, just stop sending that. |
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| 19:01.10 | domovoy | greycat> i do, i even tried sending "Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=0; includeSubDomains", no luck |
| 19:01.47 | domovoy | format_c> what standard are you talking about? |
| 19:01.56 | format_c | HSTS |
| 19:01.58 | somiaj | ross`: it might just be that the built in nic requires non-free firmware. Do you know the chipset the built in nic uses? |
| 19:02.30 | ross` | z390 / "Intel® GbE LAN with cFosSpeed Internet Accelerator Networking" / "Integrated Intel® 802.11ac Wave2 CNVi WIFI + Bluetooth 5" |
| 19:02.45 | ross` | I'm having trouble figuring out what that means haha |
| 19:02.51 | ross` | in terms of driver names or revisions |
| 19:02.52 | greycat | domovoy: I did a "wget --spider -S http://ns1.errlock.dev" and it gave me the Strict-Transport-Security: header |
| 19:03.08 | ross` | If I knew what I was even looking for I would download and modprobe it into the kernel |
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| 19:03.34 | format_c | domovoy: I was talking about RFC6797 sect. 12.1 |
| 19:03.57 | somiaj | Could there be some ModRewrite (or similar) on the server redirecting all http:// requets to https:// requests (just a thought, I haven't fully read through the backlog) |
| 19:04.02 | ross` | somiaj: What debian installer might I try that would include non free firmware without internet? |
| 19:04.08 | ross` | I could try that and see if it wors |
| 19:04.09 | ross` | wors |
| 19:04.10 | ross` | works |
| 19:04.20 | greycat | somiaj: it's not. It's sending an HTTP response with a Strict-Transport-Security: header. |
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| 19:04.36 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 19:04.37 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 19:04.42 | greycat | Apparently he doesn't want to stop sending this header, though I cannot imagine why. |
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| 19:04.59 | somiaj | ross`: ^^. Another option is complete the install without the internet, and then manually install the firmware after and get your network up at that time. |
| 19:05.18 | ross` | somiaj: yes, I would have already done that if I knew what driver I needed |
| 19:05.31 | domovoy | greycat> yes, with a max-age of 0, right? i just set that because of: http://svictor.net/tools/joomla,-html-co/205-make-firefox-chrome-forget-hsts-for-your-site |
| 19:05.48 | somiaj | ross`: you don't need a driver, you need firmware as I mentioned. firmware-iwlwifi is the name of the debian package in non-free for that. |
| 19:05.59 | greycat | I am not even going to guess what setting that knob to 0 does. I've never even heard of this thing before today. |
| 19:06.46 | ross` | Thanks! |
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| 19:08.30 | ross` | somiaj: does that come with the netinst? |
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| 19:09.00 | ross` | Can I manually load it easially, or failing that can I stick in another usb that has a .deb for the firmware I assume |
| 19:09.04 | somiaj | greycat: I saw the info about the header, was just double checking that it wasn't also using ModRewrite as well. |
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| 19:09.12 | format_c | domovoy: AFAIK as soon as a browser has recognized a host being HSTS enabled, any further HSTS signalling must happen through the secure channel. Otherwise things like max-age are ignored. Refer to RFC6797 sect. 8.1 |
| 19:09.32 | domovoy | greycat> the link in the article explains it, it is supposed to be a switch so that firefox "forget" the preloaded setting from whatever source it decided to use |
| 19:09.40 | somiaj | domovoy: ^^ |
| 19:09.47 | ross` | Also, what I'm really trying to do is get ethernet and not wifi working. |
| 19:10.10 | somiaj | ross`: then you need to tell us what the chipset of the wired connection is. You pasted the info about the wifi |
| 19:10.24 | ross` | It's a z390 |
| 19:10.41 | ross` | "Intel® GbE LAN with cFosSpeed Internet Accelerator Networking" |
| 19:10.42 | somiaj | oh its some integrated controller that is both wired and wifi, maybe the wifi firmware is needed to get it to function at all |
| 19:10.54 | greycat | RFC 6797 8.1 says the max-age is only respected if it comes via https |
| 19:10.55 | ross` | No, I think they are separate |
| 19:11.05 | ross` | well, not sure. |
| 19:11.25 | somiaj | I couldn't tell form your post, a pciid would help out too. |
| 19:11.40 | ross` | I can get that for you I think, one sec! |
| 19:11.48 | somiaj | But you could just blindly try the unoffical non-free firmware images. If that doesn't work you may need a newer kernel than stretch has for that card. |
| 19:12.06 | somiaj | (which you could get from stretch-backports) |
| 19:13.13 | domovoy | format_c> i see, thing is, i actually never enabled hsts on this host specifically, but it may have been a CNAME to a mass vhost that used it for a time... now i have to dig my old server for the right certificate? crap |
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| 19:14.06 | greycat | domovoy: I literally did "wget --spider -S http://ns1.errlock.dev" and it gives me the STS header. And since it's over http, not over https, none of the fields matter -- just the presence of the STS header. |
| 19:14.20 | greycat | or at least that's my understanding after literally knowing about this thing for all of 10 minutes |
| 19:14.35 | ross` | sysrescd gets ethernet off the bat |
| 19:14.48 | domovoy | anyway, firefox _must_ be storing that "this host is hsts" info somewhere, i can be root on this computer, its _mine_, since when can't _i_ decide what it should do? |
| 19:15.22 | ross` | lspci -k says Kernel driver / module in use is e1000e |
| 19:15.41 | greycat | 5.2 'HSTS Policy explicitly overrides the UA processing of URI references, user input (e.g., via the "location bar"), or other information that, in the absence of HSTS Policy, might otherwise cause UAs to communicate insecurely with the Known HSTS Host.' |
| 19:16.18 | domovoy | greycat> yes i'm currently removing the header, and then trying all the firefox "forget about it" crap, but slow connection, even my ssh is slow |
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| 19:16.59 | ross` | Looks like the wifi device is showing up as a Wireless-AC 9560 and it's loading iwlwifi |
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| 19:17.45 | somiaj | ross`: if the non-free firmware from stretch doesn't work for that card, you'll need to get a newer kernel and firmware from stretch-backports (if that card is supported in linux, that should work) |
| 19:17.51 | domovoy | greycat> yes, but the storage of this policy is still on _my_ computer, isn't it? it is _my_ computer, i want it to do what _i_ say. there surely is a file somewhere that says "ns1.errlocj.dev is HSTS" |
| 19:18.12 | ross` | sysrescd has a 4.19 kernel |
| 19:18.33 | greycat | domovoy: why do you assume that? The server is still giving the header. |
| 19:18.35 | somiaj | ross`: what install image are you using, that is not the stock stretch kernel. |
| 19:18.47 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.49 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:19.29 | domovoy | greycat> i can't type here and deal with my slow ssh at the same time, give me some time :) |
| 19:19.33 | ross` | the debian installer kernel is 4.9 |
| 19:19.35 | ross` | so that shouldn't be an issue |
| 19:20.10 | ross` | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 19:20.12 | ross` | I used that one |
| 19:20.21 | somiaj | I'm not sure what you mean by sysrscd then, I was just pointing out that newer cards sometimes are not supported by the older 4.9 kernel in stretch and you may need a newer one |
| 19:20.31 | ross` | oh |
| 19:20.36 | ross` | systemrescuecd |
| 19:20.43 | ross` | is what I used to lspci -k |
| 19:20.58 | ross` | it loads e1000e and iwlwifi |
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| 19:21.33 | somiaj | so the network card works with that? Then if the non-free firmware dosen't work, you'll have to get the newer kernel and firmware from stretch-backports as I said. |
| 19:22.06 | ross` | How do I test nonfree firmware |
| 19:22.18 | ross` | do I just use a second usb and do dpkg -i linux-firmware-nonfree.deb |
| 19:22.35 | somiaj | well you want firmware-iwlwifi, but that is one way |
| 19:22.43 | somiaj | other is just download the unoffical firmware installers I pointed you at a while ago |
| 19:24.09 | ross` | Oh, thank you so much! I missed that url the bot sent me |
| 19:24.13 | ross` | I'll try that |
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| 19:29.47 | domovoy | ok, no more "Strict-Transport-Security" header from the server, forgot website from firefox history, closed firefox, deleted SiteSecurityServiceState.txt, cert(8|9).db from firefox profile, opened http://ns1.errlock.dev with firefox, it stills sends me to https, saying hsts is enabled. |
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| 19:31.53 | greycat | domovoy: yes, I get that as well, and something analogous in google-chrome |
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| 19:32.37 | hk238 | hello.. I'm trying to install this app called 'signal' on my debian but it involves adding a custom repository, and it still didn't work, anyone know about that? |
| 19:32.40 | domovoy | greycat> why? |
| 19:34.04 | domovoy | do i need to send a letter to the president of the us saying "can i please disable hsts on my website?" |
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| 19:35.58 | Yamahapsr200 | Hi! I want to upgrade the kernel of a server of mine - found out it is stuck with 3.2.41 for years now. I installed linux-image-amd64 and linux-version list reports 4.9.0-8-amd64. uname -r and neofetch however both still report 3.2.41, what can I do now? |
| 19:37.16 | greycat | domovoy: I have no idea. I tried curl --verbose hoping it would shed some light, but all it does is give me what I assume to be the desired HTML page. Whatever chrome and ff are doing is not what curl is doing. |
| 19:37.25 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 19:37.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 19:37.27 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 19:37.50 | jhutchins_wk | Yamahapsr200: What release are you on? |
| 19:38.10 | tds | domovoy: are you certain you're not on the preload list? |
| 19:38.21 | Yamahapsr200 | jhutchins_wk: Debian GNU/Linux 9.8 (stretch) x86_64 |
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| 19:38.56 | mawk | you rebooted right Yamahapsr200 ? |
| 19:39.13 | jhutchins_wk | Do you have the 4.9 kernel in /boot? |
| 19:39.33 | Yamahapsr200 | mawk: yes indeed I did everytime I tried |
| 19:39.44 | BazookaTooth | openvz? |
| 19:39.45 | domovoy | greycat> yes, that's about what the link in the article about max-age = 0 said, those ua preload a list of htst hosts from somewhere, so that on the first request to a website you don't hit http, but directly https without even requesting the server |
| 19:40.04 | Yamahapsr200 | jhutchins_wk: ls of /boot: "config-4.9.0-8-amd64 initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64 System.map-4.9.0-8-amd64 vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64" |
| 19:40.06 | jhutchins_wk | Yamahapsr200: Try update-grub and watch for the new kernel. |
| 19:40.39 | domovoy | tds> i guess i might be, but still, this setting _is_ somewhere on _my_ computer, i should be able to edit/remove it |
| 19:41.02 | mawk | if you're in the preload list no it's not on your computer |
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| 19:41.04 | mawk | it's on the internet |
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| 19:41.14 | tds | https://hstspreload.org/ you can check here |
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| 19:42.58 | Yamahapsr200 | jhutchins_wk: command not found - grub2 (and all it's dependencies) is installed however... that's odd |
| 19:43.19 | domovoy | mawk> but it is _not_ checked _every_ time i access an url, is it? firefox must access it from time to time, and update a local database |
| 19:44.24 | mawk | maybe yes |
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| 19:45.08 | mawk | is it a subdomain domovoy ? |
| 19:45.16 | tds | I thought firefox (and other browsers) included a full copy of the preload list, but I may be wrong there |
| 19:45.30 | domovoy | so i should still be able to decide _not_ to use hsts for a particular host |
| 19:45.32 | greycat | 'Status: errlock.dev is currently preloaded.' |
| 19:45.39 | mawk | if that's the case you should verify that every parent domain doesn't have includeSubdomains |
| 19:45.43 | tds | is that the domain? |
| 19:45.51 | greycat | his host is ns1.errlock.dev |
| 19:45.52 | tds | the .dev tld is preloaded |
| 19:46.06 | domovoy | it is |
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| 19:46.44 | domovoy | whut? _all_ the .dev? |
| 19:46.49 | tds | yes |
| 19:47.06 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dev says so |
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| 19:47.15 | domovoy | wtf, for what bloody reason? |
| 19:47.32 | mawk | someone thought it would be a good idea I guess |
| 19:47.38 | greycat | It doesn't give a citation, sadly. |
| 19:48.49 | domovoy | can't a dev do whatever he want he want whit his dev environment? another example of "designed for monkeys" i guess |
| 19:49.00 | greycat | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/29/google_dev_network/ |
| 19:49.33 | tds | tim@phosphorus:~$ curl https://cs.chromium.org/codesearch/f/chromium/src/net/http/transport_security_state_static.json?cl=fa25101faf091614edb81cc34ffba810e10f3a7b 2>&1 | grep dev\" |
| 19:49.33 | tds | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.13 | domovoy | i would never have thought about that. preloading .com, maybe, but .dev? that's just stupid |
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| 19:50.34 | greycat | What seems stupid is *hosting* your web site on *.dev |
| 19:50.37 | tds | preloading .com would break a _lot_ of stuff right now, .dev is new and was preloaded from the start |
| 19:51.06 | domovoy | anyway, that answers my question, i just can't disable hsts on thi domain |
| 19:51.20 | domovoy | greycat> it is .dev because it is... in development |
| 19:51.51 | ross` | somiaj: I didn't have any luck using the firmware netinst iso. |
| 19:51.57 | greycat | Well, use a different domain name. |
| 19:52.06 | ross` | I even selected e1000e from the list of drivers when it said it couldn't find an ethernet device and that did not help |
| 19:53.10 | tds | or just deploy tls and be done with it, much nicer :) |
| 19:53.42 | greycat | he has a self-signed certificate on it, apparently -- the redirection happens, and then the browser throws a "bad cert" type error |
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| 19:56.48 | domovoy | tds> that's what i'll do, let's encrypt makes it easy enough |
| 19:56.57 | tds | indeed :) |
| 19:58.21 | domovoy | but it's the end of the month, my phone data bandwidth is reduced because i used too much of it... even ssh is slow :/ |
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| 19:58.40 | domovoy | even let's encrypt could take me all night at this rate ^^ |
| 20:01.25 | Yamahapsr200 | jhutchins_wk: get's weirder: just found out I don't have any sd* "files" in /dev How do I boot at all? :o |
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| 20:02.51 | domovoy | Yamahapsr200> mount; fdisk -l |
| 20:05.03 | jhutchins_wk | df is easier to read than mount now that mount shows all the pseudo-device mounts. |
| 20:05.10 | Yamahapsr200 | domovoy: "/dev/vzfs on / type vzfs (rw,relatime,usrquota,grpquota)" seems to be the only interesting one |
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| 20:06.14 | sam123 | hi |
| 20:06.39 | sam123 | pls i need help with linux and ios |
| 20:08.09 | jhutchins_wk | Yamahapsr200: update-grub is root only. |
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| 20:10.43 | Yamahapsr200 | jhutchins_wk: oh! Didn't work with sudo - I really have to be root? didn't recall that... It does however find the right kernels. gives this error though: "Cannot find list of partitions! (Try mounting /sys.)" /sys is mountes as far as I can tell though |
| 20:11.46 | jhutchins_wk | Yamahapsr200: sudo -i update-grub would work, as would sudo /sbin/update-grub |
| 20:12.20 | greycat | first of all, it's /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 20:12.29 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Oops. |
| 20:12.34 | ross` | The debian netinst iso should be able to mount a btrfs partition in a fallback shell right? |
| 20:12.35 | greycat | second, sudo changes PATH for you, so just "sudo update-grub" should work, unless you changed the sudoers config |
| 20:12.37 | ross` | It's saying invalid argument |
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| 20:13.30 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: It seems like I can't do sudo shutdown, but I can do sudo -i shutdown. Different distro though. |
| 20:14.29 | greycat | wooledg:~$ sudo env | grep PATH |
| 20:14.30 | greycat | [sudo] password for wooledg: |
| 20:14.30 | greycat | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 20:14.41 | jhutchins_wk | It's funny, there are certain things like sudo and lvm I only do on that other distro, other things that I only do on Debian. |
| 20:15.23 | ross` | How do I find a debian installer that has a kernel that supports my ethernet device/ |
| 20:16.12 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 20:16.12 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 20:16.22 | ross` | I tried that |
| 20:16.39 | ross` | It still wouldn't find my ethernet even when I choose e1000e driver |
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| 20:16.46 | ross` | which was what systemrescuecd had loaded in lspci -k |
| 20:18.14 | jhutchins_wk | Well, that's not it, I just don't undestand sudo very well yet. |
| 20:18.23 | ross` | Also I don't understand why but if I do mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb it always says failed invalid argument |
| 20:18.28 | ross` | I've tried 3 different file systems |
| 20:18.31 | ross` | What is the deal with that? |
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| 20:19.43 | ross` | nevermind I was able to mount, but the debian installer (firmware version) doesn't seem to have dpkg |
| 20:19.59 | ross` | how do I force install deb files (or is the debian installer not debian)? |
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| 20:21.21 | Yamahapsr200 | "grub-install: Error: Drive »hostdisk//dev/vzfs« was not found.." (translated)... I'm a bit lost now.. ls /sys does yield results... |
| 20:22.36 | BazookaTooth | if it's an openvz vps, you're kernel locked |
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| 20:35.20 | Yamahapsr200 | BazookaTooth: I dread that might be the case. I found some kind of control-panel for my server and while there is an update-thing it seems to be broken... Thank you all for your help though! |
| 20:37.44 | warai_otoko | any tool recommendations to deep search formatted partitions for .docs? |
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| 20:39.27 | ross` | !backports kernel |
| 20:39.37 | ross` | How do I find information on the stretch backports kernel |
| 20:39.43 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 20:39.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 20:39.45 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 20:40.12 | ross` | is there a .deb version of the stretch backports kerbel? |
| 20:40.15 | ross` | kernel |
| 20:40.21 | greycat | Yes. That's what a backport is. |
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| 20:40.45 | greycat | Follow the instructions at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 20:41.47 | ross` | I have no internet though whichi s why I'm doing this |
| 20:42.09 | ross` | so if I just copy this .deb to a flash drive and dpkg -i will I have any issues? : http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-signed-amd64/linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64_4.19.28-2~bpo9+1_amd64.deb |
| 20:42.44 | ross` | Do I need to copy anything else onto the flash drive to install simultaneously? Doesn't look like there are any dep |
| 20:42.52 | ross` | well, any dep that I wouldn't have anyway |
| 20:45.43 | BazookaTooth | warai_otoko: photorec/testdisk? |
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| 20:46.42 | ross` | Yay I have internet, thanks |
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| 21:01.53 | nullbyte_ | freebsd and uefi under gpt with grub from linux, how? what to add in /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
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| 21:03.27 | petn-randall | nullbyte_: `update-grub` should find and add freebsd automagically. |
| 21:03.42 | petn-randall | nullbyte_: However if you installed freebsd in legacy mode, it won't be bootable in EFI mode. |
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| 21:08.11 | OnceMe | hello, default connection on debian is via ipv6 |
| 21:08.15 | OnceMe | can I force ipv4? |
| 21:08.37 | OnceMe | in 50-default.network for [Route] Destionation I see it's set IPv6 |
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| 21:14.08 | Dagger | Debian defaults to dual-stack, and programs will use either v6 or v4 depending on what the server they're connecting to has. you shouldn't need to change that |
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| 21:18.18 | JohnDoe2 | having a really weird time with a kvm 9.8 (so solusvm image, no idea how they modify them). I added vestacp's source but apt-cache can't find any results. I installed 9.8 (local vm) and ran the same commands but mine is able to find the packages ok. No errors on the kvm, and --print-uris are the same for both |
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| 21:27.44 | jhutchins_wk | nulleip: Probably want to edit /etc/defaults/grub instead. |
| 21:28.08 | jhutchins_wk | update-grub should find the freebsd kernel and add it though. |
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| 21:54.08 | OnceMe | can someone please help me |
| 21:54.15 | OnceMe | I have migrated from deb8 to deb9 and now I cant open crontab -e |
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| 22:28.36 | rustbuckett | hello everyone! i'm having trouble installing mariadb |
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| 22:30.18 | rustbuckett | The trouble isn't actually installing it, it's what follows. It never has me set a root password, yet when I try to connect to the server as root with empty password, it fails. And running mysql_secure_install fails when it asks for the root password. |
| 22:30.24 | rustbuckett | any ideas? |
| 22:31.15 | rustbuckett | I've tried purging mariadb-server and mariadb-client and reinstalling them. The install never prompts to set a root password. |
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| 22:36.25 | jmcnaught | rustbuckett: the Debian package doesn't set a mariadb root password anymore. There's a note about it in /usr/share/doc/mariadb-<SOMETHING>/README.Debian (sorry can't remember which package exactly) |
| 22:37.21 | jmcnaught | basically just connect to the database as system user root to be mariadb root |
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| 22:38.38 | rustbuckett | jmcnaught: ah. okay. |
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| 23:15.15 | sam123 | @debhelper hi |
| 23:15.49 | sam123 | i need help with my linux |
| 23:18.30 | mrjpaxton | Everybody needs help with Linux at some point. |
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| 23:46.14 | mishehu | we've got some jessie servers (they'll be upgraded after 10 is released), and this is driving me nuts... they boot up with powersave as the cpufreq governor. it's a server, and one that will be under heavy load. I just want the governor to be set as performance, and not have to install cpufrequtils or stuff like that. how do I force the thing at boot time to use performance without having to iterate |
| 23:46.20 | mishehu | on sysfs to set it manually or using sysfsutils? |
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