| 00:00.57 | ryouma | i don't suppose debian is going to push a fix for firefox bug... |
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| 00:07.30 | EdePopede | i switched that xpinstall thing off and ublock is working. everything is fine for the moment :) |
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| 00:08.16 | rant | i switched to chromium years ago and everything is fine :P |
| 00:08.52 | EdePopede | just what google wants you to do :P |
| 00:08.58 | binaryhermit | until google switches to manifestv3 or whatever it is and a lot of useful extensions break |
| 00:09.25 | rant | really I'd like a new browser cause they all piss me off |
| 00:09.49 | rant | but there is no happy medium.. its either bloatfest 2019 or nutscrape 1993 |
| 00:10.41 | rant | I never want to see any of the popups about "Do you really want to leave this page?" or "This website wants to send notifications" or such.. |
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| 00:11.53 | rant | idk why we dont have a browser that is user oriented instead of aiding all the web developers in driving the user crazy |
| 00:13.52 | kanliot | no idea how anyone could like chromium with all the damn tracking and background process |
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| 00:17.06 | rant | getting screwed and liking it are two totally different things :D |
| 00:18.40 | kanliot | i turned off 90% of firefox telemetry a few months ago. don't ask me how. it was hard. |
| 00:19.57 | kanliot | search about config for firefox.secure.autoreport.reportenabledisable.notallowed=user |
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| 00:23.08 | rant | just the idea of "search about config" is ridiculous.. I remember when it was just a few simple options |
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| 00:23.20 | ^Tranquil^ | where is gogs and magogs wall ? |
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| 00:23.50 | kanliot | apparently firefox only makes $ for the users it can track |
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| 00:25.07 | kanliot | also something on youtube about how concert tickets require putting spyware on your phone that uploads your contact list, etc. |
| 00:25.27 | kanliot | admittedly some music fans should be punished, but |
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| 00:46.17 | tw | is there a debian package that includes common rfc3161 timestamp certificates? viz. where the x509v3 purpose field includes id-kp-timeStamping / OID 1.3.6.1.5.5.7.3.8 |
| 00:46.37 | tw | none of the ssl certs in /etc/ssl/certs have that. |
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| 01:43.02 | jim | ni... I'm running stretch, and I'm trying to backport kmymoney-5.0.3-2 from buster... judd says I can't because the build deps aren't satisfyable, but I looked closer, and the reason it said that (I think) is because of one package, which I have already backported. |
| 01:43.24 | jim | in any case, I have a build log from trying to build the package |
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| 01:57.25 | themill | jim: judd's check is not recursive. |
| 01:59.32 | jim | so... I would need to look further? or? also, would there be someone who wants to see the build log |
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| 02:24.10 | themill | I'm not sure what you're asking about "look further". Judd told you what builddeps were unsatisfied and then you can deal with that. |
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| 02:29.13 | jim | if we look at it, it will say the package |
| 02:30.03 | jim | , checkbackport kmymoney=5.0.3-2 |
| 02:30.04 | judd | No package named 'kmymoney=5.0.3-2' was found in sid/amd64. |
| 02:30.15 | jim | , checkbackport kmymoney |
| 02:30.16 | judd | Backporting package kmymoney in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libalkimia5-dev (>= 7.0). |
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| 02:31.11 | jim | it says libalkimia5-dev is unsatisfyable because no version of it is in stretch, however I backported it |
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| 03:09.43 | tw | So what ended up happening is I extracted the TSA certificate and TSA CA cert from the tsr (response) data, then verified the chain using the system CA certs. Of course, openssl 1.1.0j doesn't support ts replies using sha256withrsaencryption, but the *cert chain* at least validates. |
| 03:09.58 | themill | jim: and installed it? |
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| 03:12.14 | jim | themill, yes, both the runtime and compiletime halves |
| 03:12.51 | jim | it has one with debsyms, but I didn't install that |
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| 03:51.58 | jim | I should just put the build log out there for anyone who's willing to take a look |
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| 03:52.56 | jim | kmymoney-5.0.3-2 from buster buildlog: https://termbin.com/dly6 |
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| 04:01.42 | __m4ch1n3__ | jim, did you "apt-get build-dep kmymoney" before building |
| 04:01.45 | __m4ch1n3__ | ? |
| 04:02.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | would install 195 packages on my machine |
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| 04:22.05 | jim | __m4ch1n3__, well, I read the debian/control file and tried to install all those. I can try that however |
| 04:22.47 | __m4ch1n3__ | build-dep installs all build dependencies |
| 04:23.02 | __m4ch1n3__ | apt-get build-dep <pkg-name> |
| 04:23.24 | __m4ch1n3__ | without these pks you wont be able to build a package |
| 04:23.30 | __m4ch1n3__ | *pkgs |
| 04:23.55 | jim | __m4ch1n3__, yes, I understand that... I figured reading the build-dep section of the debian/control file would be enough |
| 04:24.14 | jim | maybe not, so that's what I'm doing now |
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| 04:26.45 | jim | __m4ch1n3__, didn't want to do anything... by the way I appended the version, so the actual command I ran was apt-get build-dep kmymoney=5.0.3-2 |
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| 04:29.39 | jim | when I ran it without the =5.0.3-2, it assumed I wanted to build the version that;s in stretch, and it said: E: Can not find version '4.8.0-2' of package 'kmymoney', I believe because I have deb-src lines for buster, but not for stretch |
| 04:30.15 | jim | do you think I should add those lines and try again? |
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| 04:33.04 | __m4ch1n3__ | not sure about version in apt-get bild-dep |
| 04:33.15 | __m4ch1n3__ | would it onstall things without version? |
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| 04:33.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | *install |
| 04:34.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | current stable seems to be anyway 5.0.4 |
| 04:34.24 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://download.kde.org/stable/kmymoney/5.0.4/src/kmymoney-5.0.4.tar.xz.mirrorlist |
| 04:35.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://kmymoney.org/release-notes.php |
| 04:36.43 | __m4ch1n3__ | btw |
| 04:36.47 | __m4ch1n3__ | /msg alis list kmymoney |
| 04:37.01 | __m4ch1n3__ | there is an offical channel here on freenode |
| 04:37.05 | __m4ch1n3__ | #kmymoney |
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| 05:06.11 | jim | __m4ch1n3__, maybe two different versions have different build dependencies... apt-get build-dep needs to konw which version, and so does apt-get source (I believe they both default to the latest in the version of debian being run |
| 05:06.33 | jim | ) |
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| 05:09.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | belive != know |
| 05:09.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | :D |
| 05:10.13 | jim | very true |
| 05:10.34 | jim | at least, I believe that's true :) |
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| 06:09.10 | shtrb | Good morning what is the correct channel to ask about the mozilla emergency patch for the May 5'th bug ? |
| 06:10.12 | shtrb | This include firefox-esr ( https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/ ) but I didn't see any update this morning |
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| 06:33.38 | mandeep | shtrb: one hasnt been released for esr afaik |
| 06:34.31 | shtrb | You mean mozilla didn't release , or that Debian didn't prepare an update for it ? |
| 06:35.37 | mandeep | shtrb: mozilla hasnt released one |
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| 06:35.44 | shtrb | Oh thanks ! |
| 06:35.47 | mandeep | np |
| 06:36.00 | mandeep | shtrb: there may be a fix on the Studies program though |
| 06:36.10 | shtrb | ,v studies |
| 06:36.11 | judd | No package named 'studies' was found in amd64. |
| 06:36.31 | shtrb | External to debian correct ? |
| 06:36.40 | ro | !ff cert bug |
| 06:36.40 | dpkg | A dirty hack allowing unverified signed code is to set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about:config, or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973, or https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928417 |
| 06:36.46 | mandeep | shtrb: no i meant studies program as in a data collection thing related to mozilla |
| 06:36.48 | ro | not supported by mozilla, but it works ^ |
| 06:36.49 | mandeep | it's a setting in firefox |
| 06:37.03 | mandeep | ro: it works somewhat |
| 06:37.07 | jim | try apt-cache search studies |
| 06:37.11 | ro | works more than somewhat for me *shrug* |
| 06:37.21 | mandeep | with ublock origin i still see ads |
| 06:37.43 | ro | i don't |
| 06:37.51 | mandeep | on videos? |
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| 06:38.02 | ro | if by "videos" you mean "youtube", yes |
| 06:38.18 | ro | been playing them all evening, no ads as normal |
| 06:38.25 | mandeep | hmm i see ads on youtube |
| 06:38.45 | mandeep | and other platforms |
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| 06:39.37 | ro | sounds like your ublock config is messed up if it's enabled and not blocking ads |
| 06:41.59 | mandeep | hmm |
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| 07:09.51 | pie3 | http://www.physics.udel.edu/~bnikolic/teaching/phys660/RUTE/rute/node34.html mostly i see articles related to this are very descriptive, is there resource/book/site which explains linux/computer internal processes by visual/graphics/flow chart/mind mapping tools? |
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| 07:14.20 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 07:17.15 | csanyipal | I have installed Debian Stretch on my laptop. I want to use with it the micro:bit hardware. I have added my user account to dialout group. Are there any settings more to get micro:bit working? |
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| 07:19.45 | csanyipal | I am using the mu-editor with micro:bit, but it complain about 'DEBUG: There was a problem getting the list of files on the micro:bit.' |
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| 07:21.19 | csanyipal | I check the log too: mu.modes.microbit:122(ls) ERROR: Could not enter raw REPL. |
| 07:21.48 | csanyipal | How can I solve this problem? |
| 07:24.47 | __m4ch1n3__ | man mu-editor + reading might be helpfull |
| 07:25.55 | __m4ch1n3__ | also you could try google |
| 07:25.57 | __m4ch1n3__ | site:debian.org "micro:bit" |
| 07:26.21 | __m4ch1n3__ | that limits results to debian.org domain |
| 07:26.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | and subdomains |
| 07:27.00 | csanyipal | __m4ch1n3__: thanks! I will try these. |
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| 07:28.20 | __m4ch1n3__ | i have no idea what it is but htere seems to be an firmware package for that |
| 07:28.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | apt-cache show firmware-microbit-micropython-dl |
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| 07:29.43 | __m4ch1n3__ | oh wait |
| 07:29.51 | __m4ch1n3__ | that was only a downloader |
| 07:30.00 | __m4ch1n3__ | apt-cache show firmware-microbit-micropython |
| 07:31.04 | __m4ch1n3__ | This package provides a binary firmware file for the BBC micro:bit small board computer (SBC), containing the MicroPython runtime. |
| 07:31.05 | __m4ch1n3__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.05 | __m4ch1n3__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.10 | csanyipal | m4rley: waw! I am going to install firmware-microbit-micropython package right away. |
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| 07:32.37 | __m4ch1n3__ | drivers are in most cases part of kernel but firmware usually is not, if you have a device that is not running try search for firmware first |
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| 07:33.13 | csanyipal | But I can't find it on the system. Why? |
| 07:33.59 | __m4ch1n3__ | sounds like you have to flash micropython with ufalsh after firmware install to use it, you should follow for that carefully official vendor documentation |
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| 07:35.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | can you do |
| 07:35.09 | __m4ch1n3__ | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 07:35.19 | __m4ch1n3__ | and post the link it returns? |
| 07:35.20 | csanyipal | I can't to install firmware-microbit-micropython, because it is nnot out there. |
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| 07:36.04 | csanyipal | The output is: https://termbin.com/zsrq |
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| 07:38.05 | __m4ch1n3__ | each deb line should end with |
| 07:38.53 | __m4ch1n3__ | main contrib non-free |
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| 07:39.03 | __m4ch1n3__ | so if there is only main |
| 07:39.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | add contrib non-free |
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| 07:39.22 | __m4ch1n3__ | and when you done "apt-get update" |
| 07:39.29 | __m4ch1n3__ | then try again |
| 07:39.41 | csanyipal | m4rley: thanks! |
| 07:40.04 | __m4ch1n3__ | except the virtualbox line |
| 07:40.10 | __m4ch1n3__ | only debian repos |
| 07:40.24 | csanyipal | OK |
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| 07:42.54 | zhivatma | how to fix firefox addons problem on debian ? |
| 07:43.28 | kirk781 | zhivatma, The Firefox devs are working on the issue. Hopefully it should be fixed soon |
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| 07:44.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | its not only debian mozilla fu*** up signatures |
| 07:44.14 | __m4ch1n3__ | about:config |
| 07:44.34 | __m4ch1n3__ | xpinstall.signatures.required = False |
| 07:44.59 | __m4ch1n3__ | and restart firefox |
| 07:45.21 | __m4ch1n3__ | they have to release firefox update to fix that |
| 07:45.41 | kirk781 | That does introduce a security issue |
| 07:45.53 | __m4ch1n3__ | the bug disables all addons turns |
| 07:46.34 | zhivatma | __m4ch1n3__, thank you! |
| 07:46.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | yes if you install addons from not trusted sources |
| 07:46.49 | __m4ch1n3__ | but there is atm no other way to use addons in firefox |
| 07:46.56 | cheapie | I do question how trusting stuff you downloaded from a trusted site to be what the site said it was is a security issue. |
| 07:46.57 | kirk781 | Funnily, one addon on Firefox I have installed is still not broken |
| 07:46.59 | lbr | kirk781, it does. However you can disable signatures check and avoid installing anything except what you already have until official fix is ready. |
| 07:47.01 | csanyipal | m4rley: I did as you adviced me, but still have not here the firmware-microbit-micropython package. Why? |
| 07:47.29 | shtrb | The transition to web* packages is manual or there is some script to do it ? |
| 07:47.45 | csanyipal | https://termbin.com/9g0f |
| 07:48.08 | csanyipal | __m4ch1n3__: I did as you adviced me, but still have not here the firmware-microbit-micropython package. Why? |
| 07:48.09 | __m4ch1n3__ | looks good |
| 07:48.16 | csanyipal | m4rley: sorry. |
| 07:48.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | "apt-get update" |
| 07:48.37 | csanyipal | I did apt-get update. |
| 07:48.50 | __m4ch1n3__ | apt-cache search microbit |
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| 07:49.18 | csanyipal | The command gives no output at all. |
| 07:49.50 | zhivatma | csanyipal, contrib/non-free ? |
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| 07:50.09 | csanyipal | https://termbin.com/9g0f |
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| 07:53.06 | csanyipal | The firmware-microbit-micropython package is now in the Debian testing distribution only. |
| 07:53.10 | csanyipal | Right? |
| 07:53.30 | csanyipal | But my system is Debian Stretch stable. |
| 07:54.29 | __m4ch1n3__ | hmm its not in stable :3 sorry |
| 07:54.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can add |
| 07:54.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 07:54.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:54.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 07:54.58 | jim | what's the p[ackage name? |
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| 07:55.07 | themill | csanyipal: you could download just that single package reasonably safely and install it on your machine |
| 07:55.37 | __m4ch1n3__ | apt-get update, install it , then remove it from sources.list and again "apt-get update" |
| 07:55.39 | csanyipal | themill: from where? |
| 07:55.58 | themill | csanyipal: packages.debian.org |
| 07:56.21 | csanyipal | themill: I will do that. |
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| 07:56.31 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-microbit-micropython |
| 07:58.13 | jim | csanyipal, in case you're curious to know the files that firmware package installs, you can... dpkg -L firmware-microbit-micropython |
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| 08:00.32 | csanyipal | At https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-microbit-micropython there is no deb package for it, right? |
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| 08:02.37 | csanyipal | __m4ch1n3__: I did as you adviced, and I am going to install the package now. |
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| 08:02.54 | jim | scroll down, you'll see a black-lined table, with a link, architecture "all" |
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| 08:04.22 | csanyipal | jim: indeed. But I am doing this the way m4ch1n3 adviced. |
| 08:04.40 | csanyipal | 'apt-get install firmware-microbit-micropython python3-uflash |
| 08:06.07 | jim | (in the "tradition" of being very careful of what goes in your sources.list, I'd advise against that... aside from which, there;s the download link right there :) |
| 08:06.39 | jim | where in the world are you located? |
| 08:07.24 | csanyipal | jim: In Europe, Serbia. |
| 08:07.35 | kirk781 | csanyipal, Isn't that cold as fsck? |
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| 08:08.03 | csanyipal | kirk781: ?? |
| 08:08.18 | kirk781 | csanyipal, shit. I confused Serbia with Siberia |
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| 08:08.38 | jim | actually, probably doesn't matter, if the package is pretty small... you can download the .deb here: http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/firmware-microbit-micropython/firmware-microbit-micropython_1.0.1-1_all.deb |
| 08:08.55 | csanyipal | jim: after I have installed these packages, I removed the burst entries from sources.list out there. |
| 08:09.39 | jim | ok, then you want to run apt update one more time (after changing the sources back) |
| 08:09.53 | csanyipal | jim: I just did it so. |
| 08:10.42 | csanyipal | Should I reboot now? Because the issue remain: mu-editor still complain as previously did. |
| 08:10.48 | jim | ok, now, do you have nc installed? (does 'which nc" return /usr/bin/nc?) |
| 08:11.08 | jim | no, that won't help I don't think |
| 08:11.30 | csanyipal | jim: then I not reboot. |
| 08:11.42 | jim | let's see if it's a pci device, and if it's listed |
| 08:11.53 | jim | ok, now, do you have nc installed? (does 'which nc" return /usr/bin/nc?) |
| 08:12.03 | csanyipal | It returns: /bin/nc |
| 08:12.09 | jim | oh ok |
| 08:12.25 | jim | it is installed, just I din't remember where) |
| 08:12.56 | jim | could you run: lspci -nn | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 08:13.15 | jim | if you do that, the lspci listing will be pastebinned |
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| 08:13.33 | csanyipal | https://termbin.com/k0qz |
| 08:13.56 | csanyipal | I'll be back soon. |
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| 08:15.18 | jim | well at least we know you have an ethernet port and an atheros wireless |
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| 08:18.31 | csanyipal | I am here again. |
| 08:18.42 | jim | there's one thing I guess it could be, but not so sure... what I see is: "00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 [8086:1e3a] (rev 04)" |
| 08:19.22 | jim | but it's a pretty wild guess, the only reason, I see the word "communication" |
| 08:20.17 | jim | have you looked at dmesg listings before? |
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| 08:21.58 | csanyipal | jim: no, I did not. |
| 08:23.43 | jim | I'm out of ideas, unfortunately |
| 08:23.55 | csanyipal | Should I pastebin the mu-editor's log with termbin? |
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| 08:24.12 | jim | what's a mu-editor? |
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| 08:25.35 | csanyipal | mu-editor: https://github.com/mu-editor |
| 08:26.10 | csanyipal | I think I am going for help out there. |
| 08:26.18 | jim | are you starting to learn python? |
| 08:26.31 | csanyipal | jim: yes. |
| 08:26.59 | jim | what are you reading to learn it? also, python 3, right? |
| 08:28.45 | kalboob | white superior |
| 08:29.08 | csanyipal | I shall reading micropython: https://microbit-micropython.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html |
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| 08:30.49 | jmabsd | when you attach a USB networking interface, the /etc/network/interfaces configuration for the interface is ***NOT*** applied. |
| 08:31.19 | jmabsd | my first response here is irritation & ask why primitive behavior |
| 08:31.24 | kalboob | white superior , burn india |
| 08:32.23 | jmabsd | second, how do you actually force configuration of a NIC based on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:33.03 | jmabsd | .."ifup NIC", ok. |
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| 08:36.13 | jim | jmabsd, could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 08:37.05 | csanyipal | Thank you very much for help! |
| 08:37.08 | csanyipal | Bye! |
| 08:38.22 | jmabsd | jim: https://paste.debian.net/1081538/ |
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| 08:38.39 | jmabsd | there's even the "allow-hotplug" there. |
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| 08:53.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys when are we getting debian stable bug update for firefox? |
| 08:53.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want my plugins back! |
| 08:55.12 | lbr | Eryn_1983_FL, please use "xpinstall.signatures.required" for now. |
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| 09:04.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | interesting.. |
| 09:04.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks man |
| 09:04.55 | lbr | You are welcome. |
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| 09:19.29 | Sveta | hi! I have an install that is somewhere in the middle between 32bit and 64bit. I'd like to remove all 32bit packages and replace them with 64bit alternatives. some relevant information is here and basically I am concerned that during a reinstall operation it insists on installing /both/ architectures. http://paste.debian.net/plain/1081541 |
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| 09:22.37 | jim | Sveta, hi. do you have your /home on a separate partition or vol? |
| 09:22.47 | Sveta | I think " dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" outputs i386, and this is needed for one package that does not provide a 64bit version. perhaps all of this is normal. but the pc only sees 2.9gb of ram out of 4gb, that's something I would be glad to fix |
| 09:22.51 | Sveta | the kernel is 64bit |
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| 09:23.05 | Sveta | jim, nope, all on one partition |
| 09:24.27 | GNU\colossus | Sveta, running a 64bit kernel should already be enough to be able to use all your RAM |
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| 09:24.38 | jim | hmm, one of your choices would be to reinstall the 64bit arch... but, you should separate your /home and also do a full backup beforehand (ideally anyways) |
| 09:24.55 | GNU\colossus | if I were you, I'd take an up to date backup and reinstall 64bit, too |
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| 09:25.05 | jim | I think you can remove the 32bit arch as well, I dunno how |
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| 09:26.09 | Sveta | GNU\colossus: 'uname -a' says "Linux acerdebian 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux", I think that's 64 bit. However `sudo dmesg |grep "Memory: "` returns `[ 0.000000] Memory: 3060584K/3143800K available (6254K kernel code, 1159K rwdata, 2872K rodata, 1420K init, 688K bss, 83216K reserved, 0K cma-reserved)`, not enough |
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| 09:26.23 | Sveta | jim, would be great to fix without a reinstall |
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| 09:27.04 | jim | also, as an aside hint, you might want to run apt-cacher-ng on a separate machine with plenty of disk space, and point all of your debian installs at it |
| 09:27.07 | Sveta | jim, this pc user needs skypeforlinux which only provides a 32bit version. We originally installed 64 bit in the first place and added the skype as a foreign architecture. Repeating exactly the same procedure again may result in the same outcome. |
| 09:27.08 | LinuxGuy2020 | I just bought a USB numberpad and I want the system to recognize the keys as additional function keys so that I can use them for keyboard shortcuts without disrupting my main keyboards built in numberpad. Is there a simple way? |
| 09:27.09 | jelly | Sveta: that is indeed a 64bit kernel and reinstallation with amd64 as native arch would not change that. |
| 09:27.19 | Sveta | jelly, yes. |
| 09:27.21 | jelly | Sveta: there's a different issue to be solved. |
| 09:27.29 | Sveta | Yes. That is? |
| 09:28.04 | jim | (that last thing might save you some time if you have to install more packages that have been installed before, while you had apt-cacher running) |
| 09:28.18 | jelly | Sveta: figure out why the kernel does not see the whole RAM, and verify the actual amount of physical RAM |
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| 09:28.29 | Sveta | jelly: BIOS sees 4GB ok. |
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| 09:29.00 | jelly | Sveta: what about dmidecode? |
| 09:29.01 | Sveta | jelly: any help with figuring out why the kernel does not see the whole RAM would be greatly appreciated. I am at the moment clueless; the Internet says 'install 64bit' and 'install pae', but the latter does not seem applicable. |
| 09:29.22 | jim | Sveta, what's your uname -r? |
| 09:29.46 | Sveta | jelly: dmidecode @ http://paste.debian.net/1081542/ |
| 09:29.55 | Sveta | jim, 4.9.0-8-amd64 |
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| 09:30.09 | GNU\colossus | you don't want a PAE kernel |
| 09:30.36 | Sveta | GNU\colossus: I agree with that. |
| 09:31.02 | jim | ok, that kernel isn't the pae one, that does weird things about/with ram |
| 09:31.31 | jelly | that shows two ddr2 2GB sticks |
| 09:31.38 | humpled | pretty unusual to have a non-pae kernel |
| 09:31.52 | jelly | humpled: 64bit systems do not need PAE. |
| 09:32.23 | martin-_-_ | hi, how can I check if my system got a swap partition? or is even using swap? |
| 09:32.24 | jelly | it's an extension useful for systems running with 32bit address space. |
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| 09:33.01 | humpled | yes i thought that was the problem |
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| 09:33.23 | martin-_-_ | isn't that odd https://paste.debian.net/1081543/ ? I don't have a hdc2 parition |
| 09:33.31 | jelly | martin-_-_: "swapon -s" or "cat /proc/swaps" will show active swap. "free" command also shows how much swap is in use. |
| 09:34.00 | martin-_-_ | thanks jelly cat /proc/swaps also prints hdc2 |
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| 09:34.09 | martin-_-_ | but fdisk -l doesn't list hdc2 0o |
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| 09:34.51 | martin-_-_ | if possible I would like to create the swap partition on my /dev/sda1 30G 29G 1.6G 95% /USB/USB_FLASH_2 |
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| 09:35.14 | jelly | martin-_-_: you want to tell fdisk which disk to show partitions for, it only shows one disk by default. |
| 09:35.31 | jelly | martin-_-_: thus, fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
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| 09:35.44 | Sveta_ | I disconnected briefly. |
| 09:36.04 | Sveta_ | I'll come back in about half an hour |
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| 09:38.08 | jelly | martin-_-_: (also, a metal platter hdd is probably more resilient to a part of it being used as swap space, than a tiny USB stick or SD card) |
| 09:38.33 | martin-_-_ | jelly I want to use this swap only temporarly |
| 09:38.43 | jelly | martin-_-_: then create and use a swap file. |
| 09:38.45 | martin-_-_ | when compiling stuff it runs out of memory |
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| 09:39.24 | martin-_-_ | https://paste.debian.net/1081544 jelly |
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| 09:39.59 | martin-_-_ | jelly so I don't need to create a swap partition? I can use my regular partitions and create the swap file there ? |
| 09:40.15 | GNU\colossus | you can create a swap file on a supported filesystem, yes |
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| 09:40.31 | jelly | martin-_-_: yes, unless you have a VERY old kernel swap files are pretty much as efficient as swap partitions. dd if=/dev/zero of=/c/swap bs=1M count=1024; mkswap /c/swap; swapon /c/swap |
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| 09:41.13 | GNU\colossus | (you should also make the swap file owned by root:root with permissions like 0660) |
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| 09:41.36 | jelly | swapon will whine if permissions are unsafe. |
| 09:41.52 | martin-_-_ | jelly hm I got an old kernel |
| 09:41.54 | Sveta | It would be great to have a recommendation how to proceed - with troubleshooting. |
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| 09:42.10 | martin-_-_ | 2.6.17.14 |
| 09:42.21 | jelly | Sveta: I'd look for memory map options in BIOS. |
| 09:42.28 | usgtyuer | hi |
| 09:42.33 | jelly | Sveta: memory holes, that sort of thing. |
| 09:43.32 | jelly | Sveta: also, search for your particular hardware model and 4GB RAM and Linux |
| 09:44.18 | jelly | Sveta: also2, see if there are any firmware updates for BIOS and their changelog. |
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| 09:46.05 | jelly | martin-_-_: that's probably ok. Not sure about swap on a fs on lvm, try it and see |
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| 09:47.37 | martin-_-_ | jelly isn't 1GB not too small for swap? I already got 1GB RAM and its not enough |
| 09:47.54 | jelly | martin-_-_: it's an example. |
| 09:48.28 | martin-_-_ | hm so maybe 6GB should be fine, I guess |
| 09:48.33 | __m4ch1n3__ | swap should be bit more then ram |
| 09:48.34 | jelly | no |
| 09:48.50 | __m4ch1n3__ | so ram can be dumbed to swap on hibernate |
| 09:49.10 | __m4ch1n3__ | /standby |
| 09:49.14 | martin-_-_ | if swap should only a bit more then ram I would create 2GB swap as I got 1GB ram |
| 09:49.21 | jelly | martin-_-_: if your build process requires that much you're a) going to wait FOREVER b) easier to do crosscompiling on a beefier (x86) machine |
| 09:49.52 | jelly | if your workload needs much more than that 1GB it's going to be horribly slow anyway. |
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| 09:50.24 | jelly | __m4ch1n3__: they seem to want to just compile some stuff natively (on an embedded device) |
| 09:50.36 | jelly | not run memory hogs the whole time |
| 09:50.36 | __m4ch1n3__ | *swap should be at least bit more then ram |
| 09:50.49 | jelly | neither use hibernation |
| 09:51.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | hm oke then its propably usless |
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| 09:52.09 | jelly | martin-_-_: that disk is at least 3 orders of magnitude slower than RAM access. 1GB RAM + 1GB swap is still more than 1GB RAM. |
| 09:53.34 | __m4ch1n3__ | 1+1 > 1 |
| 09:53.36 | __m4ch1n3__ | :3 |
| 09:53.36 | martin-_-_ | hm I understand that the hd disc is much slower but I only need it for this build process |
| 09:54.09 | martin-_-_ | maybe I try it first with 1GB and then recreate it |
| 09:54.35 | __m4ch1n3__ | its not just slower, its 10000x superslowmotion slower |
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| 09:55.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | its like a spaceshuttle and a skatebord |
| 09:55.51 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can use a swapimagefile fs |
| 09:55.54 | jelly | martin-_-_: if that does not work out, you can also consider setting up an emulated system with same architecture and build inside that |
| 09:55.57 | __m4ch1n3__ | and switch it |
| 09:56.25 | jelly | martin-_-_: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 09:56.58 | martin-_-_ | sparc jelly |
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| 09:57.46 | jelly | qemu does some 32bit sparc machines. Or did, once upon a time. |
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| 10:44.20 | ngomes | hi ! how to run nvidia latest drv with flatpak ? |
| 10:45.41 | Sveta | I'm back |
| 10:46.00 | ksk | totally not a desktop guy, but things like flatpak are normally for installing a software, and not mangle with your system files. |
| 10:46.03 | Sveta | jelly, bios already sees 4GB of RAM |
| 10:46.06 | ksk | might not be the best way to install a driver. |
| 10:46.41 | ksk | ngomes: afaik there are nvidia drivers in debian nonfree repos? |
| 10:47.25 | ngomes | ksk, ok just checking , looks like this flatpak nvidia is for flatpak apps |
| 10:47.42 | ngomes | ksk, ok just checking , looks like this flatpak nvidia is for flatpak apps that need it |
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| 10:47.49 | ksk | If you just wanna have the drivers Id advise against flatpack ;) |
| 10:47.58 | jelly | Sveta: what the BIOS presents to the OS may vary depending on settings (I've mentioned some keywords) |
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| 10:48.38 | ngomes | i installed steam flatpak , and there's no icon , so i don't know how to launch it |
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| 10:50.26 | __m4ch1n3__ | what is flatpack? |
| 10:50.31 | ksk | ,v flatpack |
| 10:50.32 | judd | No package named 'flatpack' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:50.35 | ksk | oops. |
| 10:50.39 | ngomes | flatpak |
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| 10:50.44 | ngomes | not *pack |
| 10:51.08 | ksk | some docker-ish foo. platform indepentend way for projects to give people their apps. |
| 10:51.19 | __m4ch1n3__ | start steam client and launch from gameslibrary tab |
| 10:51.20 | ksk | ,v flatpak |
| 10:51.21 | judd | Package: flatpak on amd64 -- stretch-security: 0.8.9-0+deb9u2; stretch: 0.8.9-0+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 1.2.4-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.4-1; sid: 1.2.4-1; experimental: 1.3.3-1 |
| 10:51.38 | ngomes | i get steam now. looks like flatpak also installs flatpak dependencies lol |
| 10:52.07 | ksk | ngomes: if you use apt* to install any software, it will install all dependencies needed to run this software. |
| 10:52.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | dpkg-query -L <packagename> |
| 10:52.33 | __m4ch1n3__ | lists all installed files |
| 10:52.45 | __m4ch1n3__ | look for something like ../bin/... |
| 10:52.51 | __m4ch1n3__ | and run from commandline |
| 10:53.11 | ksk | might be totally different for a flatpak, look it up in flatpak documentation :> |
| 10:53.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | *all installed files by package |
| 10:54.08 | ngomes | ksk, i like the flatpak ideia for some cases. newbie with this tech, i was not expecting those "dependencies" |
| 10:54.38 | ksk | ngomes: the whole point of (things like) flatpak is dependency (hell). |
| 10:54.51 | Sveta | jelly, it is acer travelmate 4230, it can use 4GB of ram but not sure with which OS. On the web together with linux ram is not really mentioned. |
| 10:55.06 | ksk | because, if you have software X, and you want to give it to "linux users", you will have to build it for every target (eg, ubuntu version Y, debian version Z, etc..) |
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| 10:55.26 | ksk | but the problem with flatpak is, that debian and its package system are kind of stable and nice. |
| 10:55.28 | qqz | I would need a Debian version that is equivalent to Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 10:55.47 | ngomes | ksk, also easier to install , 1 package brings it all |
| 10:55.48 | qqz | I have already installed Ubuntu 10.04 and can find out about package and kernel versions |
| 10:56.02 | ksk | it might be the flatpak creator whos package you are using, is not. and so for example you have outdated depencencies in your flatpak, or worse. |
| 10:56.08 | qqz | package versions will be more important since I want to compile an old firefox version |
| 10:56.15 | ksk | there already have been examples of that in the past. |
| 10:56.19 | qqz | how to find out which Debian version to use? |
| 10:56.37 | ksk | qqz: that might not be possible at all. |
| 10:56.46 | ksk | iirc ubuntu is based on a snapshot of unstable. |
| 10:56.47 | ksk | !ubuntu |
| 10:56.47 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 10:56.59 | ngomes | well, thanks for the help see # next time |
| 10:57.00 | Sveta | qqz, you can install latest stable and install old firefoxes in virtual machines |
| 10:57.08 | __m4ch1n3__ | wow amazing how people manage install an os without knowing which one it is |
| 10:57.11 | ksk | qqz: also, you will want to build ON THE PLATFORM you are building for. |
| 10:57.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | :3 |
| 10:57.13 | Sveta | jelly, I'll follow up with ##hardware about this and come back here |
| 10:58.01 | qqz | yes I am running Debian 9 and want a respective oldstable version of about ~ 2007 |
| 10:58.12 | ksk | qqz: why though? :> |
| 10:58.38 | ksk | it would be heavily outdated and a security risk on all fronts. |
| 10:59.05 | qqz | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486199 |
| 10:59.08 | ksk | like, this crazy bash exploit we had some years ago, many many ssl related things, apt broken... |
| 10:59.20 | qqz | I need to compile an old version of Firefox that has SCTP support |
| 10:59.34 | ksk | (not sure if all these apply, or if these bugs were introduced in newer version though..) |
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| 11:00.22 | ksk | qqz: would you also be willing to share why you need SCTP? never heard of that before to be honest. |
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| 11:01.03 | qqz | just see for the last comment in the bug report |
| 11:01.05 | ksk | if there only is a patch for a 10 year old firefox (which should get auto-owned browsing the web??), might be it did not went well (with SCTP?) |
| 11:01.12 | jelly | !release history |
| 11:01.12 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 11:01.25 | qqz | I want to program an sctp sample server and need an sctp client browser for testing |
| 11:01.32 | qqz | sctp is better than SPDY/QUIC |
| 11:01.53 | ksk | qqz: port the SCTP patch to a recent FF then. |
| 11:02.09 | ksk | or take a look at jell-ys hint ;) |
| 11:02.16 | qqz | that has not worked for me so far |
| 11:02.31 | qqz | are the old Debian versions really offline?? |
| 11:03.08 | jelly | !ado |
| 11:03.09 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 11:03.13 | ksk | qqz: they are not, at all. you can still get the installers somewhere iirc, and the packages are under archive, too. |
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| 11:04.29 | qqz | ksk: how to query which Debian version supports a Firefox close to 10.0.1 / 3.0.11 |
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| 11:05.32 | jelly | qqz: enable sources.list lines for old releases and see what's there |
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| 11:06.54 | qqz | I remember there was a special server for old Debian releases; not the one that is in my sources.list |
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| 11:07.16 | jelly | see what dpkg bot said above about "!ado", qqz |
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| 11:07.34 | qqz | jelly: no idea what !ado should mean |
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| 11:08.08 | jelly | qqz: do you not see lines by "dpkg" bot in this channel's log? |
| 11:08.39 | jelly | it's not 10 lines before this |
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| 11:09.25 | qqz | jelly: what channel log? |
| 11:09.35 | qqz | jelly: don´t understand at all what you mean |
| 11:09.51 | qqz | I simply need the http address for old releases to open in my browser |
| 11:09.55 | ksk | look at this screen, did someone named "dpkg" say something? |
| 11:09.56 | qqz | nothing more nothing less |
| 11:09.59 | ksk | up a few lines.. |
| 11:10.10 | jelly | qqz: this channel. Your irc client. Can you see what dpkg user in this channel wrote, 6 minutes ago |
| 11:10.16 | ksk | line starts with Debian has archives of" - there is a link. |
| 11:10.35 | qqz | ahh, thx |
| 11:10.37 | ksk | chrchr. |
| 11:10.51 | jelly | and a couple lines before that, too |
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| 11:11.37 | jelly | there are several problems with SCTP and DCCP |
| 11:12.10 | jelly | 1) different protocols meant buggy network hardware would not deal well with them |
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| 11:12.54 | jelly | 2) implementations in Linux kernel were (and probably are) for both were historically not great quality and full of security holes |
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| 11:13.40 | Sveta | I was mistaken, I do not need any i386 packages. How do I replace them all with amd64 versions and remove the i386 architecture in dpkg? I have the list: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1081541 |
| 11:13.59 | ksk | Sveta: reinstalling is the much more easier option. |
| 11:14.17 | ksk | depdning on the number of packages I suppose. |
| 11:14.21 | Sveta | ksk, it is Sunday evening, not Saturday morning |
| 11:14.37 | ksk | that totally depends on your timezone :P |
| 11:14.47 | ksk | UGT |
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| 11:15.28 | ksk | Sveta: too many packages for "replacing them". afaik you would need to remove them, and then install the amd64 version. |
| 11:16.11 | ksk | there is no replace in apt, anyway. |
| 11:16.47 | ksk | Sveta: take a look at dpkg get/set-selection also |
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| 11:17.03 | ksk | "--get-selections" in man dpkg. |
| 11:17.23 | ksk | this helps with reinstalling. make sure to backup /home. |
| 11:19.07 | jelly | Sveta: what's the native architecture of this debian installation? |
| 11:19.16 | jelly | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 11:19.16 | dpkg | s390x |
| 11:19.23 | jelly | dpkg: be quiet |
| 11:19.23 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
| 11:19.48 | Sveta | jelly: amd64 is native. (Interesting architecture of the bot :) ) |
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| 11:21.25 | jelly | Sveta: why not just remove the i386 packages? |
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| 11:21.36 | Sveta | ksk: 'dpkg --get-selections' is too long; dpkg --get-selections | grep ':' @ http://paste.debian.net/plain/1081548 |
| 11:22.30 | Sveta | jelly: I would be glad to remove, but I would like to have their amd64 versions -- are they already installed or not? I think the list of i386 packages includes some video drivers too/ |
| 11:22.58 | jelly | Sveta: there are no amd64 versions of wine32 |
| 11:23.38 | Sveta | jelly: what about everything else? |
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| 11:24.00 | jelly | Sveta: what about it? They seem to be mostly libraries and dependencies for wine. |
| 11:24.01 | qqz | what cdimage will fit to the firefox version in http://archive.debian.org/debian-amd64/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/? |
| 11:24.22 | qqz | I guess it is the right version though I wonder how to find out about other versions |
| 11:24.32 | qqz | Debian 6.0.x? |
| 11:24.59 | qqz | what Debian version does archive.debian.org pertain to? |
| 11:25.08 | qqz | I did not see any choice for multiple versions |
| 11:25.12 | jelly | qqz: all the old releases are there. |
| 11:26.07 | jelly | it's unlikely firefox 1.0 will be useful to you if you want to tamper with code for 3.0 |
| 11:26.42 | jelly | qqz: pick something around etch or lenny and look for versions of... probably iceweasel there |
| 11:26.47 | jelly | !iceweasel |
| 11:26.48 | dpkg | Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch". See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>, <iceweasel user-agent>, https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel for historical information. Since 2016, Debian no longer applies a custom branding to Mozilla Firefox (https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3600). <https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/> |
| 11:27.02 | Sveta | jelly, what command can I use to remove all these packages? |
| 11:27.23 | Sveta | jelly, I can think of 'apt remove wine32 && apt autoremove', but perhaps there is a better way |
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| 11:27.58 | jelly | Sveta: dunno, I'd grab a list of all the :i386 packages, feed them to apt-mark auto ... as parameters, then do an autoremove. |
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| 11:29.31 | Sveta | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/plain/1081549 is ok to remove, correct? |
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| 11:30.24 | jelly | Sveta: that seems to include many non-i386 packages. |
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| 11:30.57 | Sveta | jelly, that's my current autoremove list, looks a bit scarily long |
| 11:31.29 | Sveta | jelly, also I would be glad to feed of all i386 packages to apt-mark auto but I do not know how to get a space separated list |
| 11:31.44 | __m4ch1n3__ | any idea howto make stubby response with ipv4 addresses only if possible to dns requests? |
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| 11:32.55 | jelly | __m4ch1n3__: what's stubby? Don't make requests for AAAA records if you don't need them? |
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| 11:34.21 | jelly | Sveta: I'd save the output of the command (run under script or something), let it remove things, then install back things you notice are missing (like, do you need vlc?) |
| 11:34.28 | BCMM | Sveta: at worst, some sort of dpkg | awk thing out to work... |
| 11:34.39 | __m4ch1n3__ | stubby is client side dns over tls forwarder, it listens for regular dns requests on local address and does an dns over tls requests |
| 11:34.40 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://dnsprivacy.org/wiki/display/DP/Configuring+Stubby |
| 11:34.55 | __m4ch1n3__ | it also spreads dns requests over multiple servers |
| 11:35.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | one goes to one server another to other |
| 11:35.40 | __m4ch1n3__ | makes it more dificult to isp monitor dns queries |
| 11:35.41 | jmcnaught | Sveta: 'aptitude -F "%p" search ~i~ri386' should give you a list of package names of installed i386 packages. You could also check if 'aptitude remove ~i~ri386' does what you want. |
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| 11:36.42 | __m4ch1n3__ | its an regular dns to secure dns proxy |
| 11:37.32 | __m4ch1n3__ | its pretty cool works like a charm but i dont know how to give higher priority to ippv4 over ipv6 |
| 11:37.39 | Sveta | jmcnaught: yes, I think, http://paste.debian.net/plain/1081552 is a bit scary though (it removes vlc-nox but vlc stays I think -- I do not use vlc-nox ) |
| 11:37.42 | __m4ch1n3__ | result |
| 11:38.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | ahh wrong link path |
| 11:38.13 | __m4ch1n3__ | https://dnsprivacy.org/wiki/display/DP |
| 11:38.58 | qqz | I have selected Debian 5 and the netinst iso; |
| 11:39.08 | qqz | however now I need to pick a mirror server for installation |
| 11:39.11 | __m4ch1n3__ | its in regular debian repository btw |
| 11:39.25 | __m4ch1n3__ | deafult config works outofthebox |
| 11:39.25 | qqz | I would need to specify a mirror that is on the archive |
| 11:39.31 | qqz | how to do that? |
| 11:39.37 | jelly | __m4ch1n3__: that priority would need to be set in your actual app and the resolver library it uses (ie. glibc) |
| 11:39.47 | qqz | or what address will I need for /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:40.17 | __m4ch1n3__ | ahh ok |
| 11:40.20 | jelly | __m4ch1n3__: disabling ipv6 completely if you don't have ipv6 connectivity is a crude workaround |
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| 11:40.42 | jelly | __m4ch1n3__: man gai.conf, maybe |
| 11:40.53 | jelly | (for glibc resolver tunings) |
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| 11:42.12 | jelly | qqz: something like deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 11:42.23 | jelly | qqz: that means http://archive.debian.org/debian is the mirror. |
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| 11:42.40 | __m4ch1n3__ | the problem is when i disable ipv6 via kernel bootoption wget & curls keep trying connect ipv6 addresses from dns response |
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| 11:42.53 | jelly | that shouldn't happen |
| 11:43.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | when boot with "ipv6.disable=1" |
| 11:43.42 | jmcnaught | Sveta: is that with 'aptitude remove ~i~ri386'? I don't know why it would want to remove stuff like brasero |
| 11:44.04 | __m4ch1n3__ | torreselove mages for same requests to get ipv4 |
| 11:44.23 | __m4ch1n3__ | *menages |
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| 11:44.45 | __m4ch1n3__ | or actually i dont know how exit resolves it |
| 11:44.47 | __m4ch1n3__ | hmmm |
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| 11:45.27 | jelly | Sveta, jmcnaught: it is likely apt state of what is marked as automatic installation already included stuff like brasero and vlc-nox from before, so autoremove would have wanted to remove it even before current actions. And aptitude does autoremove by default as a side step. |
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| 11:55.06 | qqz | how is the tool called which is used to select a package list like the kde desktop environment? |
| 11:55.22 | BCMM | qqz: tasksel |
| 11:55.49 | BCMM | but AFAIK `apt install task-kde-desktop` has exactly the same effect |
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| 11:58.57 | qqz | GPG error: keyexpired |
| 11:59.02 | qqz | what shall I do? |
| 11:59.12 | qqz | can I disable the use of gpg keys? |
| 11:59.36 | qqz | or will I need to set an old date |
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| 12:02.43 | __m4ch1n3__ | use an debian that did not reached end of life |
| 12:03.05 | BCMM | __m4ch1n3__: it could be some other repo, like that google one that expired last month |
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| 12:03.07 | qqz | setting an old date is just very simple! |
| 12:03.12 | BCMM | qqz: can you post the entire error? |
| 12:03.12 | __m4ch1n3__ | sure you can disable it and with it breake whole security concept |
| 12:03.38 | __m4ch1n3__ | you can dl packages manually and |
| 12:03.43 | __m4ch1n3__ | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 12:03.43 | dpkg | package file.deb is already installed |
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| 12:03.52 | __m4ch1n3__ | lol |
| 12:03.54 | __m4ch1n3__ | ahaha# |
| 12:03.57 | __m4ch1n3__ | awesome |
| 12:04.04 | BCMM | qqz: setting and old date or disabling signiture checking are both workarounds. why don't you work out what the actual problem is, instead of hiding the symptoms? |
| 12:04.09 | BCMM | ^an old date |
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| 12:11.12 | jelly | BCMM: they are installing lenny. |
| 12:12.20 | BCMM | jelly: oh god, i missed that bit... |
| 12:13.18 | BCMM | qqz: is this some sort of learning exercise, or do you want to have a computer you can actually use? |
| 12:13.44 | jelly | the former |
| 12:14.26 | BCMM | heh, fair enough then |
| 12:14.26 | qqz | BCMM: we will have to wait a bit since I am installing the offered dekstop environment with tasksel by having set a date of 2008 |
| 12:14.55 | BCMM | i'm surprised that there's still a mirror |
| 12:15.09 | qqz | BCMM: I need to compile an old firefox with SCTP support |
| 12:15.14 | jelly | qqz: you don't need a DE, just install build deps for iceweasel |
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| 12:15.26 | jelly | use ssh to connect to the machine. |
| 12:15.51 | qqz | jelly: It won´t work without a chroot environment, will it? |
| 12:15.56 | qqz | BCMM: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486199 |
| 12:16.06 | jelly | what won't work? |
| 12:16.06 | qqz | BCMM: see for my last comment why I want SCTP |
| 12:16.26 | qqz | jelly: compiling a Firefox from 2007 |
| 12:16.31 | BCMM | qqz: so this whole debian install is just to build firefox, right? |
| 12:16.52 | jelly | qqz: why would it not work? |
| 12:17.12 | qqz | yes, merely for this |
| 12:17.22 | BCMM | qqz: then i don't see why you'd want kde at all |
| 12:17.41 | jelly | you don't need an extra chroot if you're already whipping up a separate vm just for this |
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| 12:17.52 | Oksana | Tired. I am trying to ddrescue a 131.7GB partition from old 500GB hard disk drive with bad sectors, to new 1TB SSD. Hours have passed, only 8.95% have been rescued, going at snail's pace. 0 errors, 85929kB non-trimmed, whatever it means. |
| 12:18.00 | BCMM | jelly: perhaps he's saying he needs X11 to actually run firefox? |
| 12:18.11 | BCMM | (and a wm to make it usable) |
| 12:18.12 | qqz | I have compiled the old firefox with todays g++ and libraries but the result crashed after I had to disable -fpermissive warnings |
| 12:18.22 | jelly | BCMM: X server does not have to run on the same machine. |
| 12:18.33 | BCMM | seems like chroot would be a much nicer approach than VM anyway |
| 12:18.41 | qqz | jelly: I mean either chroot or vmware where the chroot would be more light weight |
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| 12:19.13 | jelly | you can try, I do not know whether a lenny chroot works at all with a current kernel |
| 12:19.30 | BCMM | i'd just chroot and install literally nothing beyond `apt-get install build-essential` and `apt-get build-dep firefox` |
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| 12:19.40 | jelly | iceweasel :-) |
| 12:19.46 | BCMM | heh, good point |
| 12:19.50 | qqz | BCMM: yes I have some experience with chroots as I have written the xchroot utility |
| 12:19.54 | BCMM | jelly: i don't see any reason it wouldn't work with a modern kernel |
| 12:20.29 | qqz | .. but the easiest way to get an old chroot is to install with qemu and then copy the root fs out of it |
| 12:20.40 | jelly | I may be misremembering a newer distro chroot not working because kernel too old. |
| 12:20.50 | qqz | debbootstrap could also help |
| 12:21.07 | qqz | the kernel is usually pretty compatible |
| 12:21.13 | BCMM | jelly: the kernel keeps basic userspace compatibility indefinitely. it should work for just basic stuff like compiling software. there might be a problem if he was trying to use something that makes use of more unusual kernel APIs |
| 12:21.22 | qqz | .. but the date problem would remain |
| 12:21.43 | BCMM | e.g. old versions of ddrescue rely on a low-level disk api that's been superseded |
| 12:21.44 | qqz | so a qemu-img is quite good for now until I have successfully compiled firefox |
| 12:21.59 | qqz | aha; interesting to know |
| 12:22.02 | BCMM | oh right, you can't have a different date inside a chroot... |
| 12:22.18 | qqz | what will an old version of dd then do; will it yield an error message? |
| 12:22.39 | BCMM | i said ddrescue, not dd |
| 12:22.59 | BCMM | dd just needs to be able to read(), ddrescue uses some fancy API to get lower-level access than that |
| 12:23.49 | BCMM | point is, that's one of the edge cases of stuff which cares about kernel versions. approximately anything that isn't directly interacting with hardware should work on future kernels |
| 12:24.17 | jelly | ,i faketime |
| 12:24.18 | judd | Package faketime (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: report faked system time to programs. Version: 0.9.6-7+b1; Size: 13.6k; Installed: 37k; Homepage: http://www.code-wizards.com/projects/libfaketime/ |
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| 12:24.52 | jelly | you can have a different date (to a point, some apps don't work) |
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| 12:26.58 | EdePopede | well done debian |
| 12:27.00 | RoyK | qqz: or kvm or lxc/docker or ⦠|
| 12:27.12 | RoyK | oops - late answer |
| 12:27.23 | EdePopede | why do bigger updates always have to use my complete ressources? |
| 12:27.49 | EdePopede | trying to do it all at once or what? |
| 12:27.50 | BCMM | EdePopede: are you talking about the computer being slow while updates are being applied? |
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| 12:28.13 | RoyK | EdePopede: I/O or CPU? |
| 12:28.16 | EdePopede | slow wouldn't be a thing if it wouldn't even kick me out of irc |
| 12:28.35 | BCMM | EdePopede: it's probably because it's keeping the disk (and, to some extent, the cpu) busy while it's actually extracting large archives to disk |
| 12:28.37 | RoyK | sounds like I/O or memory (or then, perhaps both, if it's swapping) |
| 12:28.44 | BCMM | you could try doing `nice ionice apt` |
| 12:28.46 | RoyK | EdePopede: what sort of disk? |
| 12:28.51 | EdePopede | must have been during the preparing/unpacking stage of libreoffice |
| 12:29.01 | RoyK | BCMM: ionice doesn't help much if you're low on memory, though |
| 12:29.09 | EdePopede | RoyK: me goode ole 80GB barracuda |
| 12:29.11 | jelly | [14:26] ~ => sudo debootstrap --keyring=/home/jelly/.gnupg/pubring.gpg --arch amd64 lenny /opt/chroots/lenny-amd64 http://archive.debian.org/debian ... _almost_ worked, but segfaulted trying to install base-passwd |
| 12:29.11 | BCMM | (although if it's a spinning disk, there's only so much you can do to help, because they *really* don't like doing two things at once) |
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| 12:29.26 | RoyK | EdePopede: that's definetely one of the issues :) |
| 12:29.41 | EdePopede | RoyK: also may be the 2GB RAm it has ;) |
| 12:29.41 | RoyK | EdePopede: 5400rpm? |
| 12:29.47 | RoyK | oh - wow |
| 12:29.48 | EdePopede | 7200 iirc |
| 12:29.56 | RoyK | smartctl -i will tell |
| 12:29.58 | EdePopede | yeah. bios date if from end 2007 |
| 12:30.07 | RoyK | shouldn't matter too much |
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| 12:31.00 | jelly | EdePopede: does the system have a GUI? 2GB might not be quite enough for normal work |
| 12:31.09 | BCMM | EdePopede: how much memory is free? |
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| 12:31.30 | BCMM | if you're already swapping, doing anything that uses the disk intensively will make the system grind to a halt |
| 12:31.44 | EdePopede | 7200 indeed. https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST380011A-80GB-UDMA-7200RPM/dp/B000H3EJ2A |
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| 12:32.02 | RoyK | EdePopede: pastebin the output of free -h and smartctl -a /dev/sdX |
| 12:32.20 | EdePopede | jelly: everything's fine usually unless firefox goes mad. which it rather easy with newer builds and today's web |
| 12:32.30 | qqz | does an old dd give an error message like unsupported kernel api call on a recent linux? |
| 12:32.41 | BCMM | qqz: ddrescue is not dd |
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| 12:33.03 | qqz | BCMM ahh; only ddrescue has that problem? |
| 12:33.12 | BCMM | qqz: yes, that is what i've been saying |
| 12:33.26 | RoyK | qqz: ddrescue is in the repos - worked last time I tested it |
| 12:33.32 | BCMM | qqz: dd just reads and writes data, using what is probably unix's most boring and stable api |
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| 12:34.15 | BCMM | qqz: ddrescue can use a linux-specific direct disk access api |
| 12:35.25 | jelly | EdePopede: consider giving half of that RAM to zram and swap on it. |
| 12:35.26 | BCMM | (which changed about 10 or 15 years ago) |
| 12:35.31 | RoyK | BCMM: that's O_DIRECT, and it's 20+ years old |
| 12:35.47 | BCMM | RoyK: yeah, it's definitely not something that's a practical problem for anybody these days |
| 12:35.47 | RoyK | it's just a flag passed to open() |
| 12:36.20 | BCMM | RoyK: before O_DIRECT it used a different system that has been obsolete for a long time |
| 12:36.48 | BCMM | RoyK: i just mentioned it as an example of something that actually cares about the kernel version, as opposed to the overwhelming majority of userspace programs which will work on future kernels for ever |
| 12:37.00 | EdePopede | RoyK http://paste.debian.net/plain/1081556 |
| 12:37.25 | EdePopede | jelly: in addition to my swap? |
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| 12:37.58 | jelly | EdePopede: yes, and with higher priority |
| 12:38.03 | RoyK | EdePopede: you need more memory, and your disk has a few pending sectors so it should be replaced too, preferably by an SSD |
| 12:38.15 | RoyK | EdePopede: with that, you'll have a brand new computer :) |
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| 12:39.11 | EdePopede | jelly: ah, gotta read about this thing, didn't care up to now. there was a discussion going on here some weeks ago, i remember. |
| 12:40.12 | EdePopede | only i also try to keep load away from the cpu as much as possible, had some real problems before stretch. frozen system and the like, including the 23s softlock warning. |
| 12:41.17 | jelly | EdePopede: you have more used swap than available ram. swap on zram typically does 2.5-3:1 compression and is amazingly useful when you're short just a tiny bit of ram. |
| 12:41.39 | jelly | but yes it does compression at the expense of cpu% |
| 12:41.43 | EdePopede | RoyK: DDR2-800 iirc, well. was talking about my machine in my local computer shop. would also need some more things, we came to the conclusion that it would be best to replace the whole thing. but then it starts again with nvidia/amd, which cpu, mb, whatever. |
| 12:42.35 | jelly | EdePopede: I got a haswell i3 desktop with 6GB DDR3 for like $100 |
| 12:42.46 | EdePopede | the replacement nvidia i have here really was cheap and never meant to stay forever. had an amd until in died. wouldn't mind using the one from my last PC, but that one is AGP. yuck. |
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| 12:43.06 | jelly | the onboard gpu is good enough not to need any discrete graphic card at all |
| 12:43.38 | EdePopede | jelly: i also bought a used M82 for around â¬100 last year. 4GB, live runs fantastically on it. RAM is really the thing. |
| 12:43.45 | divx | Hope I won't forget to reenable add-on signature checking in firefox when the patch is out... |
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| 12:44.15 | EdePopede | divx: write an email to yourself, but don't forget to look into the spam folder ;) |
| 12:44.23 | jelly | divx: make a calendar task! |
| 12:44.41 | EdePopede | the mozilla dev should have done this in advance :P |
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| 12:44.57 | divx | Or even better, have a shell script that runs in the background and checks for firefox updates :P |
| 12:45.25 | EdePopede | they shouldn't have killed sunbird. used it for quite some time. but i won't install thunderbird to just have their calendar |
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| 12:45.43 | RoyK | EdePopede: you get those quite cheap from ebay :) |
| 12:46.06 | EdePopede | royk: i don't ebay, i don't amazon |
| 12:46.13 | divx | Ah but actually, just noticed it shows a warning in the extensions list. "Could not be verified for use in Firefox. Proceed with caution." |
| 12:46.21 | jelly | EdePopede: there are 120GB SSDs for $40 new even in local shops |
| 12:46.33 | EdePopede | and i won't make an account on their payment company for sure |
| 12:47.07 | RoyK | EdePopede: all cache-in-the-local-shop? |
| 12:47.11 | EdePopede | i don't have a credit card, not even a payback |
| 12:47.12 | jelly | divx: I installed https://storage.googleapis.com/moz-fx-normandy-prod-addons/extensions/hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi and the other extensions started working a couple minutes later on their own |
| 12:47.13 | EdePopede | RoyK: sure |
| 12:47.23 | RoyK | s/cache/cach/ |
| 12:47.44 | EdePopede | or mostly. i bought that pc from last year online. but they accept account-toaccount (whatever it's called) |
| 12:47.47 | RoyK | well, they might have something lying in the bottom of a drawer somewhere - who knows :) |
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| 12:48.36 | divx | jelly: I'll try that instead, thank you. |
| 12:48.46 | EdePopede | ebay also has those local sale displays, not a bad thing. and there still are those free local papers |
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| 12:49.25 | jelly | divx: (from svuorela's comment on https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/ ) |
| 12:49.44 | EdePopede | divx: btw, i got the .4b from their ftp (the link was postet yesterday). whatever they did to it, it downloaded that .xpi and everything's normal |
| 12:50.20 | BCMM | jelly: worth noting that that post says that mozilla does not recommend any of the solutions currently being discussed in the community, because they might conflict with the final fix |
| 12:50.21 | RoyK | EdePopede: just check how much memory your motherboard can handle and fill it up |
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| 12:50.38 | RoyK | EdePopede: and replace that spinning rust with an ssd - anything will do better than that PoS |
| 12:51.21 | EdePopede | 8. but getting RAM w/o a board attached to it could be an adventure after all those years. at the moment i was looking for it in the shops the prices were heading to antic level already :/ |
| 12:51.25 | jelly | BCMM: that xpi is part of their official interim fix |
| 12:51.33 | RoyK | EdePopede: I can only guess that the reason upgrades take so long, is that you're already using two out of four gigs of swap and it's getting close to full, meaning *lots* of swapping to a very slow disk |
| 12:52.16 | BCMM | jelly: is that the same fix that they're pushing through Studies (for people with mozilla-distributed builds)? |
| 12:52.27 | jelly | BCMM: precisely the same apparently |
| 12:52.48 | EdePopede | RoyK: i'll stay with that old barracuda as long as possible. i really like the fact that it still does the job. had some issues years ago, but that was a one time thing. and tbh i'm still not sure about flash memory for daily use |
| 12:53.30 | jelly | EdePopede: you're missing a lot, just replacing the hdd with any ssd makes it feel like a new machine |
| 12:53.31 | EdePopede | RoyK: could be. i would have closed firefox, but though it seems to be immune, i was afraid doing it xD |
| 12:53.38 | BCMM | jelly: what about uninstalling? is the reason they want people to install it via studies so that they can remotely remove it when the full fix is released? |
| 12:53.48 | jelly | BCMM: ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 12:54.10 | humpled | i like my old machines |
| 12:54.38 | divx | The whole 'studies' thing is disabled by default in Firefox ESR or Debian's packaged version? |
| 12:55.02 | jelly | divx: disabled in esr, and debian's packaged one is also esr |
| 12:55.20 | divx | Yeah I was just asking if it was some sort of flag in the debian package |
| 12:55.32 | jelly | not debian specific. |
| 12:55.56 | RoyK | EdePopede: just make sure you have a backup. Current_Pending_Sector and Offline_Uncorrectable should be zero and UDMA_CRC_Error_Count should be zero or at least reasonably low. Power_On_Hours tells me it's soon eight and a half years old, so it has probably done its job :) |
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| 12:56.23 | BCMM | divx: afaik studies are only available on mozilla's own builds |
| 12:56.35 | EdePopede | jelly: i know. but then i compare prices. just bought a 4TB for 100 something. oh, and my huge problem (with BOTH machines) is that they have some kind of HDD adapter. this one uses one small thing on each side (look like skis a bit) and the other one some plastic skeleton i have to put the HD into first. though i like the idea not to have to put 4 screws per HD i don't have any of them left :/ |
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| 12:56.44 | BCMM | divx: you can't use them on Fx66 on Sid either |
| 12:57.13 | EdePopede | RoyK: i made a backup long ago. and then of my old system before i installed stretch. and most stuff is on the big disk anyway. |
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| 12:57.42 | BCMM | divx: but on ESR i think you can just disable signature checking in about:config anyway |
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| 12:57.44 | RoyK | EdePopede: just a reminder from my side - it's your data ;) |
| 12:58.19 | EdePopede | heh, 80GB is not that much more than 64. and sticks of that size are really affordable. incredible. |
| 12:58.38 | jelly | BCMM: don't forget to also disable automatic updates for extensions then, unless you like MITM |
| 12:58.40 | RoyK | EdePopede: sticks? you mean usb? |
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| 12:58.44 | EdePopede | yup |
| 12:59.05 | RoyK | EdePopede: your system probably has usb2, meaning it's slow, and those usb sticks really *are* slow |
| 12:59.08 | EdePopede | usb-sticks we call them here. can't remember all these other names |
| 12:59.11 | BCMM | jelly: is there no https for mozilla's own extension updates? |
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| 12:59.19 | RoyK | pendrives or whatever |
| 12:59.26 | EdePopede | i know. backing up one of them really takes time |
| 13:00.00 | BCMM | jelly: signature checking wasn't introduced over mitm concerns; updates worked fine for years. it was introduced to prevent users from intentionally installing extensions from untrustworthy sites. |
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| 13:00.37 | BCMM | i.e. it doesn't check that updates are signed by the original developer of the extension, it checks that they are signed *specifically by mozilla* |
| 13:01.15 | EdePopede | actually i was buying them mostle when i needed some more storage space and getting a new HDD wasn't an option. but at the moment they're more or less unused. i think i'll put some ISOs to one of them and play with grub and persistence. |
| 13:01.21 | BCMM | jelly: note that mozilla still allows unsigned extensions in their own developer edition builds |
| 13:02.22 | RoyK | EdePopede: just don't use one as your rootfs |
| 13:03.04 | BCMM | some USB sticks have wear-leveling and actually are suitable for rootfs use |
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| 13:03.27 | divx | BCMM: Did they use the 'studies' system to roll out those controversial ad extensions? |
| 13:03.42 | BCMM | divx: i don't know anything about that |
| 13:04.13 | EdePopede | heh never. i started using this disk in an usb box while i had xp on the main disk. was my old pc. happened twice that the disc was disconnected. usb on the pc side, simple jack on the oder end. whatever idiot designed this. |
| 13:04.20 | RoyK | BCMM: on USB2, I doubt they're suitable for anything like a rootfs with x/gnome |
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| 13:04.36 | BCMM | divx: i mean, i don't know what extensions you're talking about. but studies are only for users who downloaded firefox from mozilla.org basically. debian does their own firefox builds, and they aren't eligible for studies |
| 13:04.58 | EdePopede | and i also managed to forcefully unmount the live drive while plugging in an usb disk next to it. |
| 13:04.58 | BCMM | RoyK: for application use, it's surprisingly easy for seek time to outweigh bandwidth |
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| 13:05.29 | RoyK | BCMM: a small SSD doesn't cost too much either |
| 13:05.45 | EdePopede | btw, i was thinking back then that i could run the root fs from a ramdisk? would it be much work? |
| 13:06.27 | divx | BCMM, I understand. Sorry I was unclear. A while back some extensions popped up in people's browsers I think the name was "Looking Glass". I was just curious if this meant Debian builds of Firefox would not be affected. |
| 13:06.32 | RoyK | EdePopede: I've done that a few times with embedded stuff booting off pxe, but really, I don't see any reason for it |
| 13:06.44 | EdePopede | @rootfs/usb, i'm trying to minimize usage (especially writing) to an absolute minimum |
| 13:08.58 | RoyK | EdePopede: suggestion: Install a new SSD, 120GB or so, and install the system from scratch with the SSD and the old, rotating rust as a mirror. Later, set the rotating rust to "write mostly" so that linux will only read from the SSD until the SSD dies or has other issues. Redundancy and decent speed for a very low price |
| 13:09.16 | EdePopede | RoyK: would be a nice feature for a live system. i use wireless input on the other one, so both USBs at the front are used. another pendrive would have to go to the backside. i can't put the kbd/mouse thing there, it becomes even more unreliable. sure i could use a cable, but that it would be dangling around. hate this. |
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| 13:09.20 | RoyK | then perhaps use a little of the extra on that SSD to place the swap on |
| 13:09.23 | BCMM | ramdisks for non-volatile files (synced to real storage at shutdown) is a somewhat reasonable approach to avoiding writes |
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| 13:09.54 | BCMM | out-of-the-box, Armbian does that for /var/log to mitigate write-amplification effects on SD cards |
| 13:10.04 | EdePopede | and the one with the OS isn't too safe there. as i said, i already managed to unmount it. just had to touch it while plugging in the other drive. meh. |
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| 13:12.05 | EdePopede | RoyK: i'll keep that in mind. but i'll have to find a solution first for my adapter problem. need 2 of those things on this pc, seen a pair for around â¬35 on amazon or ebay. by far too much for that old box. |
| 13:13.22 | EdePopede | these are by far cheaper (wouldn't think twice buying them), but i can't say if they are exactly what i need https://www.ebay.de/itm/2-Stueck-Fujitsu-3-5-Laufwerk-Festplatten-Schienen-HDD-Drive-Rails-K716-C320-/132381385442 |
| 13:13.35 | RoyK | EdePopede: what sort of adaptors? |
| 13:13.51 | RoyK | oh - that sort |
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| 13:14.11 | RoyK | 3d print something? ;) |
| 13:14.43 | EdePopede | the only person i know of with a 3d printer resides in #gnu ;) |
| 13:14.56 | jelly | I gave this 120 SSD's firmware a bit of room to deal with writes by only allocating 96GB total. I'm imagining it really has like 128GB inside, and could survive 4x as much with 4x the reservation. |
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| 13:16.27 | EdePopede | and i'm not even sure if printing is cheaper than something used. |
| 13:17.03 | EdePopede | jelly: by just keeping something out of the partitioning? |
| 13:18.08 | EdePopede | ok, this price isn't that bad either. and at least the company name fits :> https://www.ebay.de/itm/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-Festplatten-Halterung-Rahmen-HDD-Caddy-GN5008HF-BL6D104-pz146/264222166340?epid=1060503135&hash=item3d84de4d44:g:x34AAOSwBRZce3mW |
| 13:18.19 | jelly | EdePopede: yes. |
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| 13:19.34 | EdePopede | hm. i thought they have some reserved sectors and use those and when they are all gone, the available disk area starts shrinking more with every error just like a static warp bubble |
| 13:20.09 | jelly | it's a bit smarter than that |
| 13:21.31 | jelly | it has to be, because write units on flash are sized like 4MiB and the device pretends to have units of 512B |
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| 13:22.31 | EdePopede | the thing is i really like to keep systems on a system disk. if HDD or SDD. but data disks are datadisks to me. atm i don't even have the disk with Win10 it came with built in because i don't have any of those adaptors left. meh. would have to fix this problem before getting some SDD for buster. i won't bother now with stretch so short before the release. |
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| 13:24.11 | EdePopede | oh. yes. the usb size thing. have to admit that i was a bit irritated first when my first brandnew 4TB only reported back some 2TB while hanging on an SATA/USB adaptor. (other pc, this one this time, but the same problem: missing adaptors for the cage -.-) |
| 13:24.22 | jelly | I'm already putting buster on machines for internal use if users need software that fresh (python >= 3.6, sheesh) |
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| 13:24.43 | dvs | 137 bugs still! |
| 13:24.45 | EdePopede | and the php thing (if someone should want it anyway) |
| 13:25.15 | EdePopede | it's a bit unlucky that the version from stretch reached EOL before buster is out |
| 13:25.31 | EdePopede | 136! |
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| 13:25.57 | dvs | so I exaggerated.... |
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| 13:26.15 | EdePopede | would plead for a X-buster-bugs header for just this one page |
| 13:26.27 | EdePopede | absolutely! |
| 13:26.46 | jelly | ondÅej's packages for php if I had to |
| 13:27.02 | EdePopede | the official maintainer iirc? |
| 13:27.33 | jelly | one of the members of php maint team |
| 13:27.50 | jelly | !deb.sury.org |
| 13:27.50 | dpkg | Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt |
| 13:28.32 | jelly | did not have to use it, yet |
| 13:28.41 | EdePopede | i always stayed with the repos, now i don't even have non-free. don't like breaking things i plan to use. will be the playground on the other pc then. or on this one should i switch. let's see. |
| 13:29.19 | EdePopede | including using it offline. and if it breaks, who cares :) |
| 13:30.40 | EdePopede | the live will be ready shortly after the release i guess? |
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| 13:33.09 | RoyK | EdePopede: better use a linux machine for the data and setup samba for windows to use if you're that kind of user |
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| 13:36.41 | EdePopede | RoyK: i'm still not sure how to handle that thing. didn't use windows for more than a decade now, didn't even went to XP SP3. and i don't want to get to the point where i have to care of virusdb updates every 2 hours and similar stuff. booted 10 just a few times until i took out the disk. most of the boots even were because i had to find out the keys for bios and boot menu. |
| 13:37.03 | EdePopede | maybe Xen finally, better on 4GB than on 2 i think ;) |
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| 13:38.34 | EdePopede | and if i run 10 home on it i probably don't want it to go online. pass it through this one or block it in some modem, gotta see. |
| 13:38.59 | EdePopede | changing the mac of the network card isn't a real problem in debian? |
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| 13:39.20 | EdePopede | because then i could block its real mac and allow the fake one |
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| 13:39.39 | RoyK | EdePopede: if this machine is connected to the internet, it's quite definetely infected by a dozen or five viruses |
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| 13:44.28 | EdePopede | RoyK: my windows is safe, it is in a shelf ;) |
| 13:44.41 | EdePopede | and i'm not really afraid of stretch |
| 13:47.37 | dvs | be afraid of the stretchy dog! |
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| 13:57.10 | martin-_-_ | jelly I got "virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory" |
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| 13:57.19 | martin-_-_ | I try to increase the swap |
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| 14:01.42 | ngomes | does debian have steam package in repositories ? i don't see it |
| 14:02.24 | themill | !steam |
| 14:02.25 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 14:11.39 | SanchoPensa | !ff ca bug |
| 14:11.57 | SanchoPensa | dpkg !ff ca bug |
| 14:11.57 | dpkg | SanchoPensa: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:12.03 | SanchoPensa | :D |
| 14:12.11 | annadane | does it even affect ESR? i'm not certain it does |
| 14:13.06 | petn-randall | It does. |
| 14:13.43 | SanchoPensa | geez... aparently I am not the only one with a no plugins problem with firefox, right? |
| 14:14.47 | petn-randall | SanchoPensa: There's already a bug report to it, including workarounds. |
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| 14:17.40 | edi | hi guys, when i try to boot the installer from usb on a fresh intel nuc i get smth like this http://cloud.continu.online/s/dHQ7zakQbjyg2Lp |
| 14:17.54 | edi | which pretty much sucks |
| 14:18.14 | edi | i've been fooling around with vga options and stuff, so far no luck |
| 14:18.34 | edi | when I try to launch just the live image (no installer) screen goes black |
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| 14:31.14 | annadane | if a package has missing Recommends will it tend to acquire them during a dist-upgrade to Buster? |
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| 14:37.40 | annadane | or i guess, on package upgrade generally |
| 14:37.52 | themill | annadane: newly added Recommends will be installed when dist-upgrading |
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| 14:40.30 | ksk | how about --no-install-recommends? |
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| 14:42.21 | tw | debian's firefox-esr responds well to xpinstall.signatures.required = false, which is how I'm working around it for now =( |
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| 14:44.28 | Monodroid | Lets face it : Ian Murdock was killed beacause Debian/GNU Linux is a thread to the Elite and their New World Order. |
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| 14:47.27 | xormor_GNU | buster! buster! buster! |
| 14:47.40 | Monodroid | :) |
| 14:47.50 | qqz | "You should kill the best of the non jews" is written somewhere in a quasi-secret book the jews have in addition to the old testament |
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| 14:48.06 | Monodroid | You guys (debian devs) are heros. Never forget that! |
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| 14:48.11 | qqz | too bad that I can not remember its name for now |
| 14:48.23 | qqz | I have written it down somewhere |
| 14:48.56 | tw | wayland, nvidia, tiling desktop; pick two =( |
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| 14:51.26 | jmcnaught | qqz: anti-semitic remarks are not appropriate in this channel |
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| 14:52.03 | qqz | jmcnaught: that is not an invention of me; it is true in deed |
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| 14:52.34 | qqz | I have asked whether the jews have some additional literature in addition to the old testament when I was in Israel |
| 14:52.39 | tw | it's still not relevant to this channel. |
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| 14:52.48 | qqz | I do not argue that the jews have killed him |
| 14:53.00 | qqz | I am just saying what is written in this book |
| 14:53.02 | qqz | dot |
| 14:53.06 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.52 | qqz | ask for the book and then read it |
| 14:53.58 | qqz | if you are interested |
| 14:54.15 | qqz | you may see my email on www.elstel.org |
| 14:54.24 | qqz | though there is no content about judaism on my site |
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| 15:09.17 | rant | SanchoPensa: cert |
| 15:09.23 | rant | !ff cert bug |
| 15:09.24 | dpkg | A dirty hack allowing unverified signed code is to set xpinstall.signatures.required to false in about:config, or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973, or https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928417 |
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| 15:10.31 | jair | hello all, just curious, I am running debian buster and tried to run the command hostnamectl, but I get a timeout > Failed to query system properties: Connection timed out |
| 15:10.55 | jair | is this only a function for ubuntu systems? can't debian use this as well? |
| 15:14.25 | edi | apparently UEFI fucks with me |
| 15:14.37 | edi | so booting legacy, problem solved |
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| 15:26.19 | ngomes | i install joystick to calibrate my usb device. It went great and i saved it using jscal-store. On steam the device is working yet uncalibrated. any help ? |
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| 15:27.19 | __m4ch1n3__ | calibrate again :3 |
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| 15:27.36 | ngomes | i run jstest-gtk and it's fine |
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| 15:35.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | wanted say that steamclient seems reset input devices on startup, so plug device after steam launch |
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| 16:31.15 | martin-_-_ | hi |
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| 16:31.38 | martin-_-_ | I have in my .bashrc export PATH=$PATH:/opt/rfw/bin/:/usr/local/ssl/bin/:/opt/git-2.21.0/bin/ |
| 16:31.48 | martin-_-_ | but it seems it doesn't execute it |
| 16:32.36 | laptop | hi may I ask someone to help me partition an encrypted swap space, it is 2 gb but I have only 1 gb of ram, my hd is encrypted, and I want to unencrypt one 1 gb of swap space and use that as an unencrypted drive |
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| 16:32.50 | martin-_-_ | when initial logging the git command is not found |
| 16:33.01 | martin-_-_ | but when I export it manually again it will find the git command |
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| 16:41.30 | Lady_Aleena | ,v mysql |
| 16:41.32 | judd | No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:43.24 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: MySQL got replaced by mariadb in stretch, there's a note about it in the release notes |
| 16:43.42 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I'm on Jessie |
| 16:44.24 | jmcnaught | ,v mysql-server |
| 16:44.25 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- jessie: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.62-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.25-1 |
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| 16:47.42 | laptop | help |
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| 16:49.25 | __m4ch1n3__ | poweroffs laptop |
| 16:50.32 | Tom-_ | laptop, did you say you want to convert swap to a filesystem? |
| 16:51.26 | laptop | I want to convert part of the swap to a file system and part of it keep it encrypted, so I have 2 gb swap encrypted with luks, I tried to decrypt it and partition with gparted but it will not let me |
| 16:51.36 | laptop | i tried with usb boot up and then on the computer |
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| 16:51.49 | laptop | I can delete the partition and do it that way but then I can not |
| 16:51.54 | laptop | encrypt it |
| 16:52.10 | laptop | basically I want one gb of unencrpyted space |
| 16:52.16 | laptop | to store the iso |
| 16:52.22 | laptop | of debian |
| 16:52.29 | laptop | create a menu entry in grub |
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| 16:52.42 | laptop | and then in case debian messes up i can reinstall from iso |
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| 17:02.37 | annadane | are there any programs which allow one to set the xfce wallpaper not through the official xfce wallpaper selector thing? nitrogen doesn't do it |
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| 17:13.32 | ruben__ | hola, estoy tratando de instalar (desde USB booteable con YUMI) debian en una netbook intel atom 1.66 GHz, 2 GB de RAM y 32 bits. Lo hago desde el particionado manual pero cuando pasa la opción de configuración del teclado me pide que inserte el CD/DVD. Alguna recomendación? |
| 17:14.24 | jmcnaught | !es |
| 17:14.24 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 17:15.33 | ruben__ | ok, thanks |
| 17:16.14 | humpled | sounds a bit familiar |
| 17:17.37 | diogenes_ | annadane, variety << app name and there used to be an app called wallch but i can't see it anymore. |
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| 17:20.53 | annadane | ew 9 million dependencies |
| 17:22.43 | miroesq | Did a fresh install of Debian Stretch on my Odroid XU4 and my USB hard drive is not showing up. |
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| 17:25.26 | laptop | how much memory does debian use with lxde |
| 17:25.40 | laptop | anything that would get you 160 mb with deb stretch |
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| 17:26.27 | diogenes_ | laptop, antiX OS |
| 17:26.42 | laptop | that is light than antixOS |
| 17:26.43 | SanchoPensa | ladies and gentlemen, Mozilla say, the patch will be coming within the next hours. |
| 17:26.53 | laptop | that is lighter than debian why? |
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| 17:27.21 | diogenes_ | laptop, because it's designed for low end devices. |
| 17:32.21 | laptop | ohh my is super low end 2 gb memory and amd athlon processor but I can still run chromium 73 |
| 17:32.31 | laptop | it is a 64 bit processor but I use 32 bit |
| 17:32.39 | laptop | 1gb memory |
| 17:32.45 | laptop | amd athlon 1.6 dual processor |
| 17:32.54 | laptop | and nvidia 32 mb graphics |
| 17:32.58 | laptop | wonder if I can run debian 10 |
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| 17:35.33 | RoyK | laptop: possibly if you set it up with lxde or xfce - the other ones will be far too heavy https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
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| 17:35.39 | RoyK | laptop: what sort of disk? |
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| 17:36.01 | laptop | 40 gb |
| 17:36.06 | laptop | regular hd |
| 17:36.11 | RoyK | rotating rust, then |
| 17:36.18 | laptop | i can run lotro |
| 17:36.20 | laptop | lol |
| 17:36.34 | RoyK | if you can get your hands on a small, second hand ssd, it'll help immensely |
| 17:36.50 | RoyK | since with that amount if memory,the system *will* use swap |
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| 17:36.58 | RoyK | and then you want somewhere fast to swap to |
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| 17:37.11 | RoyK | laptop: any room for more memory? |
| 17:37.26 | humpled | i'm not using 2GB now |
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| 17:38.08 | humpled | not even 1 |
| 17:38.15 | annadane | i'm actually surprised how much swap debian does use by default |
| 17:38.20 | annadane | it's a lot |
| 17:38.33 | laptop | lol |
| 17:38.37 | RoyK | annadane: that's tunable with sysctl vm.swappiness |
| 17:38.38 | laptop | I only need 1gb |
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| 17:38.52 | RoyK | annadane: and using swap is really ok, since it frees memory to do caching |
| 17:39.09 | RoyK | laptop: then I'll just suggest trying |
| 17:39.17 | humpled | and hard drives aren't rusty, they're the shiniest things i've ever seen |
| 17:39.18 | RoyK | but not with gnome |
| 17:39.40 | RoyK | humpled: "spinning rust" is an expression meaning "rotating drives" ;) |
| 17:40.17 | humpled | whatever |
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| 17:44.43 | laptop | most media whether ssd or hd only last 10-15 years |
| 17:44.53 | ruben__ | btw... any help for install debian 32 bits in a netbook 1.66 GHz proc. 2 GB RAM, it runs till the keyboard setting then the installer ask for DVD/CD but iḿ using an USB device with Yumy |
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| 17:48.30 | humpled | first why are you using yumi when the debian isos are ready to go on usbs now |
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| 17:48.56 | humpled | second iirc this is an easy fix, the installer just doesn't know where it was booted from |
| 17:49.08 | RoyK | ruben__: perhaps the network installer would be better? |
| 17:49.25 | RoyK | ruben__: I've seen similar issues, but that was ages ago |
| 17:49.34 | humpled | basically you go into tty2 and make a symlink |
| 17:49.46 | ruben__ | humpled, because I don't know another method |
| 17:51.28 | ruben__ | what USB booteable syst u recommend? |
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| 17:53.57 | jhutchins | What's wrong with the netinstall image? |
| 17:54.13 | humpled | i believe all the debian ISOs are hybrid now |
| 17:54.56 | jhutchins | humpled: If by hybrid you mean they can do live, no. |
| 17:55.19 | humpled | but they can run equally from a usb stick as from a cd/dvd |
| 17:55.25 | RoyK | not live, but they work on a CD and on a USB pen |
| 17:55.33 | RoyK | humpled: beat me there :) |
| 17:55.59 | humpled | tools like yumi and unetbootin aren't needed so much |
| 17:56.02 | jhutchins | Oh, there's no difference to the system whether it's a disk or a USB (for anything that can boot usb). |
| 17:57.13 | jhutchins | The same image will also work with PXE. |
| 17:57.13 | humpled | but the usb will be reformatted by becoming an installer, |
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| 18:08.45 | zellfaze | So I just installed an AMD RX 480 into my PC and am having an issue with it just showing a blank screen on boot. |
| 18:09.00 | zellfaze | I can't even switch to tty1 and see things. |
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| 18:09.18 | zellfaze | Though I can still login and shutdown properly even with a blank screen. |
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| 18:09.37 | zellfaze | managed to get logged in to ask this by using nomodeset, but I understand that is a bit of a hack. |
| 18:10.06 | zellfaze | I purged the old Nvidia drivers, rebooted, came up fine, installed linux-firmware, rebooted, and had a problem. |
| 18:10.11 | zellfaze | Any ideas? |
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| 18:12.46 | thePiGrepper | it should at least give you a boot, it doesnt? |
| 18:13.03 | zellfaze | It lets me boot up, but I get a blank screen. |
| 18:13.10 | thePiGrepper | when do you get the blank screen? |
| 18:13.39 | thePiGrepper | is it a xorg issue? |
| 18:13.44 | zellfaze | As soon as it tries to switch graphics modes during boot. |
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| 18:14.25 | zellfaze | I can press CTRL-ALT-F1 to switch to a terminal (that I can't see, but will at least still allow input) |
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| 18:15.25 | kleanchap | How do I convert a m4b audio file to mp3 on linux? |
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| 18:15.48 | zellfaze | I'm not sure if it is an Xorg issue, I would guess not given that it seems to prevent me from seeing tty1-6 as well |
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| 18:17.00 | thePiGrepper | hm, I see, if you cant even see grub or whatever bootloader you have installed, nor the kernel booting, it's probably not a xorg related issue |
| 18:17.08 | zellfaze | I can see grub. |
| 18:17.12 | thePiGrepper | have you tested the card with another OS? |
| 18:17.15 | zellfaze | No. |
| 18:17.16 | thePiGrepper | oh, you can |
| 18:17.19 | thePiGrepper | hmm |
| 18:17.25 | zellfaze | I get past grub. |
| 18:17.38 | zellfaze | The problem occurs when everything would usually be doing its: |
| 18:17.44 | zellfaze | Starting xyz: [Okay] |
| 18:17.51 | zellfaze | Type of thing |
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| 18:18.56 | thePiGrepper | maybe chrooting from a live cd could solve the issue, at least you could disable lightdm or the one you use and get to the tty directly |
| 18:19.12 | thePiGrepper | or you dont have lightdm(or similar) installed/enabled? |
| 18:19.25 | zellfaze | I use lightdm |
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| 18:19.46 | zellfaze | thinks for a bit. |
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| 18:20.18 | thePiGrepper | ok, try disabling lightdm for now |
| 18:20.23 | thePiGrepper | and see what happens |
| 18:21.02 | thePiGrepper | at least this way you'll discard xorg as a cause |
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| 18:21.57 | thorian93 | df -hP |
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| 18:26.54 | zellfaze | thePiGrepper: I found a polaris10 Alright |
| 18:26.57 | zellfaze | Whoops |
| 18:27.05 | zellfaze | I forgot to delete that |
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| 18:27.12 | zellfaze | Um, brb, rebooting without lightdm |
| 18:27.17 | m4lv4 | hi! |
| 18:27.40 | m4lv4 | last week I installed a debian testing in an acer aspire es 17 |
| 18:27.58 | m4lv4 | I removed the windows partition |
| 18:28.13 | m4lv4 | and I couldn't boot the system |
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| 18:28.55 | m4lv4 | I used the same usb of the installation to put the boot partition in the |
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| 18:29.19 | m4lv4 | "removable media path" |
| 18:29.26 | m4lv4 | and everithing was fine |
| 18:29.38 | m4lv4 | until now, I updated the system |
| 18:29.53 | m4lv4 | and it freezes with the package shim-signed |
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| 18:30.48 | m4lv4 | I think the system thinks that the boot partition is in some partition, but I have changed it using the rescue mode |
| 18:30.54 | m4lv4 | I don't kno |
| 18:31.04 | m4lv4 | any ideas? |
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| 18:31.45 | miroesq | After I install and configure samba on my debian stretch, whenever I try and reboot the system hangs for 5 minutes beforfe rebooting. Is there a fix for this? |
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| 18:49.35 | zellfaze | Well. I loaded the computer without nomodeset and then ssh'd in to run dmesg |
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| 18:50.07 | zellfaze | [ 31.723570] amdgpu 0000:02:00.0: Fatal error during GPU init |
| 18:50.27 | zellfaze | So I think I can safely say it isn't Xorg at least |
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| 18:52.11 | zellfaze | https://pastebin.com/2ddFzdwn |
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| 18:53.31 | zellfaze | Looks like it might be trying to load the 8188eu module from my previous card. |
| 18:53.47 | zellfaze | Oh wait, no that is my wifi driver. |
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| 18:57.54 | zellfaze | This sounds a lot like my problem: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100964 |
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| 19:07.50 | qwebirc95665 | Hi, i have installed gnome on a server with debian, i have achived x11-foreward (i can guilike interact with programs on the server, how can i start gnome? |
| 19:09.07 | qwebirc95665 | if i type gnome-session it says only terminated |
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| 19:19.46 | brabo | i see fixed firefox esr is out |
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| 19:28.37 | brabo | g40 |
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| 19:33.10 | Sveta | qwebirc95665: is there no screen attached? |
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| 19:34.32 | brabo | ohi Sveta |
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| 19:35.35 | Sveta | hi, brabo |
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| 19:36.47 | brabo | smyds: you too :po |
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| 19:37.12 | smyds | brabo: hey :p |
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| 19:53.15 | qwebirc95665 | Sveta, no screen, its on a server far away |
| 19:53.28 | Sveta | use vnc |
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| 19:56.42 | qwebirc95665 | i am connected via remmina |
| 19:56.50 | qwebirc95665 | i can open stuff like gnome-terminal |
| 19:56.59 | qwebirc95665 | but not a gnome-session |
| 19:57.57 | humpled | gnome on a remote server :D |
| 19:59.02 | englosh | I'm getting a bunch of python errors when installing keystone on Debian: https://pastebin.com/raw/yhTxQGzN. I can't really find anything relevant when searching for some of the errors |
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| 20:00.09 | Sveta | qwebirc95665 what error message does it say? |
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| 20:03.52 | qwebirc95665 | gnome-session => terminated |
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| 20:04.45 | qwebirc95665 | sudo DISPLAY=:1 gnome-session results in Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
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| 20:09.38 | Sveta | qwebirc95665: gnome-session --session=gnome-classic |
| 20:10.52 | qwebirc95665 | Sveta i found this in /var/log https://pastebin.com/WeU2qEaP |
| 20:11.08 | qwebirc95665 | terminated as well |
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| 20:12.14 | zellfaze | Still no luck getting my new gpu to work. :( |
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| 20:12.33 | Sveta | qwebirc95665: ls /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ |
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| 20:14.11 | qwebirc95665 | gnome-classic.session gnome.session |
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| 20:15.10 | qwebirc95665 | [GNOME Session] Name=GNOME Name[af]=GNOME Name[an]=GNOME Name[ar]=جÙÙÙ
Name[as]=GNOME Name[ast]=GNOME Name[be]=GNOME Name[be@latin]=GNOME Name[bg]=GNOME Name[bn]=GNOME Name[bn_IN]=GNOME Name[br]=GNOME Name[bs]=GNOME Name[ca]=GNOME Name[ca@valencia]=GNOME Name[crh]=GNOME Name[cs]=GNOME Name[csb]=GNOME |
| 20:15.18 | qwebirc95665 | this is inside the files |
| 20:15.44 | Sveta | Interesting, I'd ask #xorg about this. include the pastebin |
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| 20:16.46 | qwebirc95665 | ok |
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| 20:19.47 | zellfaze | https://paste.debian.net/1081618/ Anyone have any ideas what I can do here? |
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| 20:19.58 | zellfaze | It appears that my GPU driver is failing to load. |
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| 20:28.02 | zellfaze | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108585 <-- Think this might be what I am experiencing |
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| 20:37.04 | zellfaze | Going to try updating the firmware past what is in the Debian repos using this: https://github.com/q3aql/amdgpu-firmware-update |
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| 20:46.39 | zellfaze | Still nothing. :( |
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| 20:57.33 | jhutchins | qwebirc95665: X is really not intended to be run as a remote desktop. You will need some sort of VNC if you really want to do that. |
| 20:57.42 | qwebirc95665 | i have VNC |
| 20:57.52 | qwebirc95665 | tightvncserver |
| 20:58.08 | qwebirc95665 | and remmina localy |
| 20:58.24 | jhutchins | qwebirc95665: You also don't want to run a desktop session as root. |
| 20:59.24 | qwebirc95665 | how to change that? |
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| 21:08.32 | jhutchins | qwebirc95665: Have the system start a Dextop Manager/Greeter. |
| 21:08.56 | jhutchins | qwebirc95665: If you're primarily running remotely it will depend on what VNC software you run. |
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| 21:09.31 | jhutchins | qwebirc95665: Some share a local session, some starte a true remote session. |
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| 21:20.25 | dka_ | hi |
| 21:20.37 | dka_ | I am trying to fix the plug and play for hard drive in my debian stretch environment |
| 21:20.45 | dka_ | it work fine at work on a similar env, more recent |
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| 21:21.07 | dka_ | I am using a Samsung SSD T5 usb drive, formated by the factory |
| 21:21.27 | jhutchins | dka_: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 21:21.41 | dka_ | I have to manually mount the drive to see its content, and I cant access it through nemo explorer using the direct link to access the hard drive |
| 21:21.58 | dka_ | the plug and play task give me an error , and the click on the nemo explorer drive icon gives me another one both in a popup |
| 21:22.25 | dka_ | jhutchins, I am plugging the USB drive into my USB port, I expect it to open a new folder with the content automatically |
| 21:22.54 | dka_ | Instead, I have nothing and I have to manually mount the drive to make it appear in the explorer, and I have to manually type 'nemo /path/to/mnt/point' to view the file in the nemo explorer |
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| 21:25.21 | dka_ | after manual mounting, I have an error that say when I try to click on the drive in devices under the nemo explorer left pan, It says : Could not display /media/dka/Samsung_T51, the location is not a folder |
| 21:25.42 | dka_ | If I unplug and replug, I expect to see the nemo explorer with the content of the drive |
| 21:25.46 | dka_ | instead I have the following pop up |
| 21:26.12 | dka_ | Unable to open a folder for Samsung_T5 No application is registered as handling this file |
| 21:26.27 | dka_ | its a new hard drive and it work on my debian at work |
| 21:27.33 | jhutchins | What does lsusb say? |
| 21:27.39 | RoyK | or lsblk |
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| 21:28.04 | RoyK | you may need to add "sudo" in front of those to get proper answers |
| 21:28.07 | jhutchins | Or fdusj |
| 21:28.08 | RoyK | or just "sudo -i" first |
| 21:28.17 | jhutchins | fdisk |
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| 21:28.37 | RoyK | lsblk is a bit more userfriendly imho |
| 21:29.07 | jhutchins | What desktop is nemo a part of? |
| 21:29.53 | dka_ | https://paste.gnome.org/pczfk4xky |
| 21:30.21 | RoyK | 250GB disk? |
| 21:30.22 | dka_ | nemo is part of the cinnamon desktop environment, it is offered during debian install |
| 21:30.24 | dka_ | yes |
| 21:30.41 | RoyK | so sdb1 on /media/dka/Samsung_T51 |
| 21:30.48 | RoyK | can you 'ls /media/dka/Samsung_T51' ? |
| 21:30.53 | jhutchins | dka_: Ok, so you should have gvfs and you should have options to configure auto-mounting. |
| 21:31.11 | RoyK | jhutchins: looks like it's automounted |
| 21:31.32 | dka_ | I have gvfs installed I dont know how to use it |
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| 21:31.49 | dka_ | ls: cannot access '/media/dka/Samsung_T51': Permission denied |
| 21:31.50 | RoyK | dka_: pastebin output of 'df -h' |
| 21:31.57 | dka_ | it work with sudo |
| 21:32.03 | RoyK | bingo |
| 21:32.21 | RoyK | so it's mounted, but the permissions are wrong for the user |
| 21:32.22 | dka_ | https://paste.gnome.org/pyfrytnyh |
| 21:32.27 | jhutchins | dka_: For some stupid reason, external drives mount as root access only. |
| 21:32.42 | dka_ | well, it does not on my work station which is the same is |
| 21:32.42 | RoyK | no, wait |
| 21:32.42 | dka_ | os |
| 21:32.51 | RoyK | it doesn't show up in df |
| 21:32.53 | dka_ | i had to manually create the drive |
| 21:32.56 | RoyK | what about 'mount'? |
| 21:33.00 | dka_ | maybe I messed up with my /mnt/dka perms |
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| 21:33.52 | jhutchins | dka_: Most systems will set the wrong permissions at mount time. I have xfce, and I have entries in fstab that specify r/w all users. |
| 21:34.14 | dka_ | at work it is a default new brand formated OS debian stretch, i want the same here |
| 21:34.28 | dka_ | dont know why its not the same, dont know why I would need to change settings either |
| 21:35.18 | dka_ | https://paste.gnome.org/phb8nrlbb |
| 21:35.21 | dka_ | are my perms correct ? |
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| 21:35.43 | jhutchins | dka_: I would expect gnome to have either sensible defaults or system setting options, or possibly settings in nemo |
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| 21:36.14 | dka_ | do you guys know how to fix that? |
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| 21:38.23 | mahe | hey guys, quick question: is there any fix for the current Firefox addon problem on stable with firefox-esr yet? |
| 21:38.55 | brabo | mahe: sortof! |
| 21:39.13 | brabo | i know they are working on packaging and testing out 60.6.2esr |
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| 21:40.02 | dka_ | I have tried to sudo chown -R dka:dka /mnt/dka but that does things worst, now it s not even getting mounted |
| 21:40.06 | dka_ | when I plug in |
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| 21:41.09 | brabo | mahe: i know there's a test .deb package already, i suspect they will move it into sid soon |
| 21:41.23 | brabo | i can link you to it if you feel adventurous |
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| 21:43.38 | mahe | brabo, nah thanks. I'll wait until the package lands in stable. Thanks for the info though. Any ETA for the 60.6.2esr? |
| 21:43.40 | jmaher | brabo: a link woudl be nice |
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| 21:45.10 | brabo | https://people.debian.org/~jcristau/firefox-esr/ but i do want to say once more: this is not yet in sid, only a couple people have been testing this, understand that you are about to install a virtually untested package |
| 21:45.41 | jmaher | brabo: you meen it might not work? :) |
| 21:45.52 | brabo | it might mean a lot of things ;) |
| 21:46.19 | jmaher | brabo: I will test it right now... |
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| 21:46.41 | user_Max | mahe, or "xpinstall.signatures.required=false" in "about:config" |
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| 21:47.26 | user_Max | ... I hear it work, but don't know |
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| 21:47.42 | jmaher | user_Max: ok - that worked just fine.... |
| 21:47.45 | mahe | user_Max, thanks! the addons reappeared as soon as I toggled the entry! |
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| 21:50.06 | dka_ | cool |
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| 21:53.22 | brabo | however: i just hear, if you opt out telemetry by not setting MOZ_TELEMETRY_REPORTING then your build should have shield disabled (can still work with a config parameter) |
| 21:53.28 | brabo | however: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1549126 |
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| 21:54.13 | brabo | debian esr doesn't opt in to telemetry, and that apparently is the thing you need to have not set to not opt in |
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| 21:54.55 | zellfaze | I have made some progress with my GPU problem. After updating to the latest kernel from stretch-backports I now get an image on boot! |
| 21:55.00 | zellfaze | Sadly it flickers like crazy. |
| 21:55.13 | brabo | oops |
| 21:55.16 | zellfaze | Too much to be usable. Spends as much time black as having an image |
| 21:55.44 | brabo | sorry, i was in the wrong channel there >< |
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| 21:57.11 | karou | yo so i need to add a package to my debian install cd |
| 21:57.15 | karou | how do i go about that? |
| 21:58.49 | rant | karou: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 21:59.01 | karou | i've been reading that but i'm on a windows system atm |
| 21:59.18 | rant | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 22:00.15 | karou | trust me i am too :( |
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| 22:00.41 | OerHeks | put it on a 2nd usb/fat32 |
| 22:00.54 | rant | yeah.. I haven't even seen a cdrom in nearly a decade.. using windows.. and cds.. wow.. I'm glad I'm not you |
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| 22:01.08 | zellfaze | I actually prefer to make livecd on cd. |
| 22:01.16 | zellfaze | Runs easier on older hardware |
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| 22:05.04 | zellfaze | Gonna try something else. |
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| 22:10.29 | zellfaze | Damnit. Was excited. |
| 22:10.33 | zellfaze | The system came up. |
| 22:10.39 | zellfaze | But dmesg still says gpu init failed. |
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| 22:15.23 | karou | thanks guys i got it haha |
| 22:15.26 | karou | peace! |
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| 22:15.34 | TFaulkner | and you |
| 22:15.55 | brabo | jmaher: mahe if you use the disable signatures option do realize that this disables checking an addon for a valid signature, which may be not optimal. remember to set it to true again once you run one of the new releases |
| 22:16.28 | TFaulkner | @brabo Most Deffo |
| 22:17.01 | brabo | personally i just risk running the rather untested debian package and not turn off and forget such options |
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| 22:18.42 | mosh | Does anyone know of a way to make Sid use Python 3.7 without everything breaking? |
| 22:19.41 | jmcnaught | ,v python3 |
| 22:19.42 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.2-1; sid: 3.7.3-1 |
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| 22:20.41 | mosh | I mean use the command python as 3.7 without cinnamon breaking and networking breaking as well |
| 22:20.47 | brabo | jmaher: mahe ff builds for sid running: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=firefox%2desr |
| 22:20.54 | jmcnaught | mosh: it's python3 |
| 22:20.58 | jmcnaught | the command |
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| 22:21.20 | zellfaze | Gonna try the amdgpu firmware from the linux kernel website. |
| 22:22.12 | mosh | I want to change the symlink from /bin/python to 3.7 I tried it and both Cinnamon and Networking died. |
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| 22:24.20 | mosh | apt seems to work fine with 3.7 but everything else dies. |
| 22:24.23 | jmcnaught | mosh: what's wrong with leaving it the way it was? |
| 22:24.33 | jmcnaught | why make problems for yourself? |
| 22:25.08 | mosh | Things made in Python won't run under the correct version because it defaults to python 2 |
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| 22:25.33 | jmcnaught | what things? they need to use the python3 binary, that's just how it is in Debian |
| 22:26.09 | jmcnaught | take a look at the python-policy under /usr/share/doc/python, python is 2.7, python3 is python 3.x, the two are treated like separate runtimes |
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| 22:26.54 | zellfaze | I got it to flicker again. Trying to use it with the flicker as we speak. |
| 22:26.55 | mosh | Lots of stuff off github ends up defaulting to 2.7 which is deprediated already by most REAL python coders |
| 22:27.11 | zellfaze | Nope. Can't read like this. |
| 22:28.23 | dka_ | I cant copy things on my hard drive it say |
| 22:28.27 | dka_ | Input/Output error |
| 22:28.56 | jmcnaught | mosh: can't you run the stuff from github with "python3 foobar.py"? |
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| 22:33.44 | mosh | jmcnaught that still doesn't change the fact that python 2.7 is pretty much depreciated. |
| 22:35.44 | jmcnaught | mosh: Debian comes with python3, it's just called python3 |
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| 22:39.50 | mosh | Yeah well it seems like the lazy way out of upgrading a lot of stuff that comes with Sid because I had everything set to run off 3.7 and it just shit itself. |
| 22:39.54 | winny | mosh it's actually an uphill battle, you shouldn't really assume python is 2 or 3 |
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| 22:40.06 | winny | run python2 for python2, and python3 for python3 |
| 22:40.08 | winny | same goes for any os |
| 22:41.39 | mosh | I know but why are we still use python2 for anything? |
| 22:41.43 | winny | https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ in fact this peprecommends that python should in general refer to python2 |
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| 22:42.15 | winny | this isn't always the case anymore (arch defaults python to python3 for example, and some distros let you configure this) |
| 22:42.46 | mosh | Yeah, I know. |
| 22:42.57 | humpled | that doesn't mean the tools are ready to use it |
| 22:42.59 | mosh | It should be configurable. |
| 22:43.12 | humpled | it is configurable for you |
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| 22:43.37 | winny | for what it's worth i never run into this problem since i just use a virtualenv, which has its own copy of python, named just python, regardless of what version |
| 22:43.39 | mosh | I tried using 3.7 and all hell broke loose. LOL |
| 22:43.43 | humpled | you just don't magically update cinnamon to use python3 by changing a symlink |
| 22:43.47 | zellfaze | I got it to boot properly with amdgpu.dc=0 !!! |
| 22:43.56 | zellfaze | just has to figure out what that does now. |
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| 22:51.26 | zellfaze | Hey, how do you add a kernel param permanently? |
| 22:51.29 | zellfaze | I can't remember. |
| 22:51.39 | zellfaze | I feel like there is a file for grub that I have to modify somewhere. |
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| 22:54.23 | zellfaze | Apparently it is under /etc/default/ instead of /etc/grub.d/ |
| 22:56.46 | dvs | /etc/default/grub ? |
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| 22:58.10 | zellfaze | dvs: That was it |
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| 23:05.04 | annadane | can i put a virtualenv package in /usr/bin if i'm never going to install that package from the repository? |
| 23:05.16 | Zppix | Does doing sys/proc/vm/drop_cache really do anything for performance? |
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| 23:06.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | sys/proc ? |
| 23:07.41 | __m4ch1n3__ | that path looks like a mix of /sys/ and /proc/ :D |
| 23:07.50 | __m4ch1n3__ | that cant be correct |
| 23:08.26 | __m4ch1n3__ | and if then "echo 1 > path" |
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| 23:11.01 | zellfaze | So apparently turning dc off removes audio. |
| 23:11.10 | annadane | i guess the answer to my question is yes because literally the only reason to not do it is to not interfere with the package manager |
| 23:11.12 | zellfaze | So while I now have working video, my audio is gone. :( |
| 23:11.35 | zellfaze | annadane: Yeah, go for it. |
| 23:11.42 | jmcnaught | annadane: why not /usr/local/bin? |
| 23:11.55 | annadane | why not indeed, that's a fair point |
| 23:11.56 | zellfaze | Better idea /|\ |
| 23:12.02 | jmcnaught | it's what it's for |
| 23:12.17 | annadane | i'm clearly half asleep |
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| 23:17.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | Zppix, yeah but you can access most resources through unix paths and device files like that |
| 23:18.20 | __m4ch1n3__ | trigger keybord leds or things like that |
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| 23:47.07 | zellfaze | is giving up for now. |
| 23:47.39 | zellfaze | It appears the opensource amdgpu drivers don't have audio support or some such. And the amdgpu-pro drivers don't seem to support the rx580. |
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| 23:47.59 | zellfaze | Why must gfx drivers always be so hard. :( |
| 23:51.00 | brabo | zellfaze: graphics drivers are no simple matter |
| 23:51.32 | brabo | that's to begin with. if the vendor does not make a good open source driver, it gets worse quickly |
| 23:51.54 | zellfaze | I got an AMD card to try to take advantage of the open source driver. xD |
| 23:52.03 | zellfaze | So much for that. :( |
| 23:52.15 | zellfaze | is sorry. Just frustrated after working on this all day. |
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