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| 00:13.31 | amvodf | Anyone fixed the firefox add-on issue? I'm using firefox 60.6.1 |
| 00:14.34 | Tom-_ | i guess the best way would probably be to enable the studies thing in the preferences, and then they fix it that way |
| 00:16.28 | RoyK | amvodf: set xpinstall.signatures.required = false in about:config |
| 00:16.41 | RoyK | amvodf: btw, I heard a fix was out already |
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| 00:25.36 | amvodf | so I should download from here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/? |
| 00:25.43 | amvodf | I'm using debian stretch. |
| 00:26.43 | amvodf | if so , I should manual remove the obsolete version of firefox before downloading? |
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| 00:30.30 | Tom-_ | amvodf, you can use one of the two suggestions we made, or download a new one. as for deleting the old one it's up to you, but it doesn't make much sense unless you plan to update firefox manually yourself for the future |
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| 00:30.37 | EdePopede | amvodf: you don't have to. firefox can be unpacked to whereever, you only may want some symlink or startscript for it. but of course you can. though i'd keep it around at least until it is clear that things are working. |
| 00:31.35 | amvodf | Is it true some people in the debian community weren't affected by the add-on fiasco? |
| 00:31.43 | zellfaze | No |
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| 00:32.48 | amvodf | The reason I ask is because of this: https://old.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/bkhi4f/when_everyones_losing_their_minds_because_firefox/ |
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| 00:34.29 | dogui | Does anyone have a recommendation on video editing software? I mainly need to add subtitles, not anything fancy. If I can keep things under Git that's even better. |
| 00:35.49 | zellfaze | I have a suggestion for subtitle editing software |
| 00:35.56 | zellfaze | But not really video editing in general |
| 00:36.17 | zellfaze | Aegisub is what I would recommend for subtitle editing. |
| 00:36.28 | zellfaze | makes subtitles for leftist-youtube videos sometimes. |
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| 00:36.50 | dogui | zellfaze: thanks! that can help |
| 00:37.05 | bindi | dogui: from a subtitle file? |
| 00:37.12 | zellfaze | Yeah. |
| 00:37.28 | zellfaze | It can edit and create subtitle files. |
| 00:37.29 | dogui | bindi: I'd prefer that, yeah, but no hard requirement |
| 00:37.32 | zellfaze | All the standard formats. |
| 00:37.32 | bindi | dogui: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/HowToBurnSubtitlesIntoVideo |
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| 00:37.43 | zellfaze | uses ffmpeg to burn the subtitles in after. |
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| 00:38.03 | dogui | thanks, this is already great |
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| 01:09.35 | EdePopede | there are no .deb files on the live disk as it seems. what happens to old package versions on the servers? |
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| 01:14.46 | miroesq | I have twio etherrnet cards instaled on Debian, eth0 and eth1. I want everything to use eth0 except for one program which i can set to use eth1. How do I force the system ands all programs on it to use eth0? |
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| 01:16.10 | tds | miroesq: you could move eth1 to its own network namespace and then run your own application there |
| 01:17.04 | miroesq | tds: thx i will gogle what network namespace is and check it otu. |
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| 01:28.26 | miroesq | tds: I am getting a bit of conflicting info. am i able to link a physical netwrok card to a network namespace or must it be a virtual network card? |
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| 01:33.27 | tds | miroesq: you can move a physical interface to a namespace |
| 01:33.52 | tds | ie `ip link set eth0 netns foo` |
| 01:34.13 | miroesq | would i have to move a virtual one with it as well or i tried that, it didn't work |
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| 01:34.33 | tds | in what way didn't it work? |
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| 01:34.47 | tds | keep in mind you'll lose your interface config, so you'll need to bring it up and add an ip in the namespace |
| 01:34.58 | miroesq | actually i think the syntax was a bit off. let me try your syntax |
| 01:36.16 | miroesq | it's a wifi connection and i have the network key and ssid in my network file. can i still add that in the name space or no, so best to move the regular interface to the namespace? |
| 01:37.56 | tds | miroesq: where have you set that key etc, what are you using to bring the interface up? |
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| 01:38.57 | miroesq | the key is here nano /etc/network/interfaces and I installed wpasupplicant, which brings it up automatically |
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| 01:39.38 | tds | ah right, you can probably just ip netns exec foo bash, then ip link set lo up, then ifup wlan0 or whatever |
| 01:39.50 | tds | (assuming you've moved wlan0 to the namespace :) |
| 01:42.18 | miroesq | will try moving it now and c what happens, but what u told me to do is way above my knowledge, will do some more googling :) |
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| 01:44.05 | miroesq | ip link set wlan0 netns torrent is giving me RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument. and yes, torrent is listed on my system as a namespace |
| 01:44.28 | miroesq | my system is an Odroid-XU4, so not a real computer |
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| 01:46.22 | tds | oh, apparently that requires extra fiddling for wireless interfaces - https://superuser.com/a/901438 |
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| 01:47.26 | miroesq | yeah, just googled that. will try it |
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| 01:57.20 | Resilience | how can I calculate the PSU for a computer? |
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| 02:03.07 | EdePopede | Resilience: maybe ##hardware would be a good place to ask. |
| 02:03.46 | Resilience | EdePopede, oh sorry, just mistaken channel xD |
| 02:03.55 | EdePopede | but i'd say the GPU is the monster nowadays |
| 02:04.00 | EdePopede | oh :D |
| 02:04.05 | Resilience | O :o) |
| 02:04.20 | Resilience | maybe is the monster, maybe not |
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| 02:05.18 | EdePopede | and i remember a test in an usually reliable it magazine where iirc the conclusion was to not get one that's much too big because they aren't really effective when they run on a to low level. |
| 02:06.00 | EdePopede | had something to do with the rectangle profile of the voltage graph or something |
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| 02:06.22 | Resilience | EdePopede, I udnerstand that thanks, not bigger means more efficient |
| 02:06.36 | EdePopede | mine isn't, but i also don't use the compositor and don't play and stuff |
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| 02:07.16 | Resilience | EdePopede, compositor? |
| 02:07.19 | miroesq | tds: having a bit of an issue. was following that page and created a pid in the namespace and then when i came to move the phy (sorry don't know what that is) using "iw phy phy0 set netns 858" I got the error command failed no such file or directlry |
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| 02:07.45 | EdePopede | Resilience: the nifty shiny stuff on the desktop (xfce). shadows, transparency, this kind |
| 02:08.17 | Resilience | EdePopede, me neither, I fnid them disturbing and distracting |
| 02:08.56 | EdePopede | on the other hand youtube's new layout is a no-go (tip: in the pref cookie append '&f6=8' to get the old one back. saves a lot of cpu) |
| 02:09.02 | tds | miroesq: hmm, what's the output of `iw phy`, and `ip netns pids foo`? |
| 02:10.30 | tds | oh, apparently you can also `iw phy phy0 set netns name foo`, that should be nicer to work with than relying on pids |
| 02:11.37 | miroesq | no output for either. to get the running pids in my 'torrent' namespace, I used 'ps $(ip netns pids torrent)' and the output there is ' |
| 02:11.37 | miroesq | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.37 | miroesq | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.37 | miroesq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:14.17 | Resilience | EdePopede, mmm were sohuld I put that? |
| 02:17.28 | EdePopede | Resilience: in firefox you open the dev tools, tab Storage (may have to add it in the options tab in that window), select youtube, there's a cookie named PREF then, doubleclick the value field. should already have f1=150000000 or so, and you add this: f6=8 |
| 02:17.49 | EdePopede | erm. THIS: &f6=8 |
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| 02:19.04 | EdePopede | it is a session cookie, so when the last yt tab is closed, it disappears. iirc i couldn't make it persistent, maybe with some cookie related addon. btw, chrome should have a similar method. |
| 02:19.50 | Resilience | EdePopede, I added as part of the lastline? or as a newline inside? |
| 02:21.14 | EdePopede | what? no. in the field with the value of the PREF cookie you append it to the already existing string |
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| 02:23.01 | Resilience | EdePopede, ok, thanks, I will try it, thank you very much |
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| 02:26.25 | EdePopede | ywc |
| 02:26.47 | EdePopede | still 136 bugs. |
| 02:27.19 | dvs | was 135 |
| 02:28.23 | miroesq | tds: I'm bringing up nothing on searches. any ideas? |
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| 02:55.04 | SZO | Hey I was wondering if this was a good place to ask a few questions regarding debian testing |
| 02:55.17 | SZO | Specific questions |
| 02:56.07 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 02:56.08 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:56.23 | SZO | Bae dpkg |
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| 02:57.14 | SZO | I am running plasma 5.14.5 & I am trying to get aa-notify to display a notification using a statup entry for any apparmor violations |
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| 02:57.48 | SZO | Unfortunate when I run pgrep -ax aa-notify |
| 02:58.10 | SZO | I only get shell output and I am missing the desktop notification I am looking for |
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| 02:59.06 | SZO | My autostart entry is |
| 02:59.11 | SZO | [Desktop Entry] |
| 02:59.11 | SZO | Type=Application |
| 02:59.11 | SZO | Name=AppArmor Notify |
| 02:59.11 | SZO | Comment=Receive on screen notifications of AppArmor denials |
| 02:59.11 | SZO | TryExec=/usr/bin/aa-notify |
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| 03:00.21 | annadane | SZO, 1) try not to paste multiple lines, use paste.debian.net 2) you did ask about testing and were redirected to the other network, so... |
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| 03:00.55 | SZO | Oh jeez I apologise |
| 03:01.08 | SZO | What was the link? |
| 03:01.17 | annadane | (i know people have said "testing is close to release, we can support it here" but...) |
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| 03:01.24 | annadane | it's #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:01.52 | annadane | though i'm surprised plasma in testing is only on 5.14 |
| 03:02.04 | SZO | Sorry, I joined chat.freenode.net out of instinct |
| 03:02.07 | SZO | Tis |
| 03:02.23 | annadane | yeah well ideally this stuff wouldn't be split into two networks |
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| 03:03.13 | SZO | No problem, I will check in with the other network. I appreciate your help |
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| 05:11.52 | daniel-s | I'm on Buster, I got this bug (all my extensions on Firefox are disabled) https://www.ghacks.net/2019/05/04/your-firefox-extensions-are-all-disabled-thats-a-bug/ |
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| 05:12.42 | daniel-s | I think I just have whatever the default version of the browser is when you install Firefox from apt. |
| 05:12.49 | daniel-s | Have other Buster users also had this issue? |
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| 05:46.33 | FriedEggBanjo_ | daniel-s: I have this problem with firefox not on Debian 9, only noticed last night and haven't been up long enough yet to investigate |
| 05:46.55 | FriedEggBanjo_ | sorry Still on Debian 9 |
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| 06:04.34 | miroesq | Debian 9 is not saving the time when rebooted. Install is on an Odroid XU4 |
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| 06:07.31 | xormor_GNU | how come "Connection failed (SSL handshake timed out)"? I am using Debian buster, and HexChat. |
| 06:07.56 | Tom-_ | miroesq, what is an Odroid XU4? |
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| 06:08.56 | Tom-_ | xormor_GNU, oh, is this an IRC connection you're trying? how did you get here? |
| 06:09.58 | xormor_GNU | Tom-_, Yes. I connected again. |
| 06:10.26 | xormor_GNU | Tom-_, the first connection always crashes with that error message, when I connect again it succeeds. |
| 06:10.49 | Tom-_ | not sure, is your connection fast? |
| 06:11.02 | miroesq | Tom-_: it's like a Raspberry Pi |
| 06:11.02 | xormor_GNU | Tom-_, I am not sure, I could check. |
| 06:12.12 | Tom-_ | miroesq, does the device even have a hardware clock? |
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| 06:14.16 | xormor_GNU | Tom-_, www.speedtest.net: Ping 19, Download Mbps 136.64, Upload Mbps 30.13. |
| 06:14.41 | xormor_GNU | Tom-_, should I reinstall something? like the SSL thingy? |
| 06:14.50 | miroesq | not really sure, when I issue hwclock, I do get a response. I think previously I had enable ntp then did 'hwclock --systohc' and finally did '/usr/bin/fs_cli -x "fsctl sync_clock_when_idle"' so that it says synched. not sure if there is a better solution |
| 06:15.09 | Tom-_ | i don't know what fs_cli is |
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| 06:15.33 | Tom-_ | miroesq, I think I had to install ntpd on my rpi |
| 06:15.52 | miroesq | so ntpd not ntp? |
| 06:15.56 | Tom-_ | xormor_GNU, i don't think reinstalling anything will help, it sounds more like a network problem |
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| 06:16.18 | Tom-_ | miroesq, ntp |
| 06:16.41 | miroesq | k, I'll try to do it the way I had previously and see what happens. |
| 06:16.43 | Tom-_ | Chromium kept reporting clock errors |
| 06:16.43 | miroesq | thx |
| 06:16.53 | miroesq | i only have a server |
| 06:17.28 | miroesq | sometimes it keeps the time, other times it doesn't. a huge pain bc of updating, etc. |
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| 06:19.05 | Tom-_ | does it lose the time when you unplug it? |
| 06:19.11 | Tom-_ | maybe that's why my pi loses the time |
| 06:20.54 | uptick | quick question. discord isn't in the repository, but i do see discord having a .deb for download. what's the general consensus on installing applications with .deb or compiling 3rd party software from source that aren't in the repository ? :P |
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| 06:37.07 | xormor_GNU | I will reboot and try to reconnect with Gnome on xorg. I logged out and logged in with Gnome and the HexChat connection worked immediately. I had also removed on reinstalled Gnome and installed some SSL component software (packages). |
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| 06:39.14 | xormor_GNU | works! |
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| 06:47.34 | miroesq | Tom-_: yes, it loses time when it loses power. it has a hwclock, but I need to buy a battery for it. trying to google how to use ntpd as that might work |
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| 06:49.35 | Tom-_ | xormor_GNU, I don't know what you did but if it works it's fine :) |
| 06:49.53 | xormor_GNU | Tom-_, yes :) |
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| 06:50.49 | Tom-_ | uptick, installing unsigned software or running unsigned scripts is a security hole, it's possible the deb could introduce package failures, and it might not agree with your principles :) |
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| 06:51.05 | Tom-_ | uptick, I do but I try to verify signatures, too. the site using https:// might help |
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| 06:53.33 | miroesq | Tom-_: I dfound a solution. How do I run this sytax on every reboot? 'ntpdate -u ptbtime1.ptb.de && hwclock -w' |
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| 06:53.59 | Tom-_ | i think there's a section in the handbook for running a command every boot |
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| 06:54.30 | miroesq | thx I 3ill check it out |
| 06:54.54 | Tom-_ | i can't find it now |
| 06:55.04 | Tom-_ | i'm just searching the web. there used to be an /etc/init.d/rc.local or something |
| 06:55.25 | Tom-_ | nowadays people use systemd but i'd probably end up writing a sysvinit script copied from some previously existing script |
| 06:56.09 | Tom-_ | !rc.local |
| 06:56.10 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd> |
| 06:56.27 | Tom-_ | miroesq, see above |
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| 06:56.31 | miroesq | Tom-_: yeah, my install is using systemd |
| 06:56.51 | Tom-_ | maybe systemd runs it anyway? |
| 06:57.06 | Tom-_ | it says "stretch" in the dpkg message |
| 06:57.12 | miroesq | seems to be working after I used that syntax, so lets see :) |
| 06:57.34 | miroesq | thanks for the help |
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| 07:37.17 | xormor_GNU | bourne again (s)hell |
| 07:37.25 | xormor_GNU | God speaks through Debian! |
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| 07:57.46 | f476 | in debian based os no tool for cable-test pair like router os? |
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| 08:00.02 | Tom-_ | f476, i don't know what a cable-test pair tool is, or what a router OS is. have you looked at the link light on your ethernet connections? |
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| 08:03.57 | f476 | Tom-_: in my connection all ok. need tool for test lan cable on bash |
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| 08:04.11 | f476 | without lan tester |
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| 08:07.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i should expect an update for firefox in stable by newyears? |
| 08:09.18 | Tom-_ | i don't get it, Eryn_1983_FL. sarcasm isn't useful for you here |
| 08:09.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh just being a butt |
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| 08:10.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | the whole cert package update has dropped but i wont see it in the repo for 6 months |
| 08:10.15 | winny | you might want to check out using the official snap images if you need a current release of firefox |
| 08:10.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | nah i can wait.. |
| 08:10.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | i hate snap never works. |
| 08:10.46 | Tom-_ | f476, i don't know what a lan test cable tool is |
| 08:10.46 | winny | probably a good idea in general: sadly a lot of websites deprecate old browsers versions that are less than a year old (looking at you, slack) |
| 08:10.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok the one time i tried it, it failed |
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| 08:52.32 | at0m | ,v firefox |
| 08:52.33 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 66.0.1-1 |
| 08:52.41 | at0m | uh judd's laggy |
| 08:52.53 | at0m | anyhow, fix in sid now |
| 08:53.11 | at0m | Get:1 http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 firefox amd64 66.0.4-1 |
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| 09:47.11 | xormor_GNU | what is the problem with MATE that I do not connect on the first time to the FreeNode server with SSL, but on the second time? I connect smoothly and fast on the first time in the GNOME desktop environment. I am using Debian buster 10. . |
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| 10:49.39 | HicksD | Is there any chance of seeing firefox 60.6.2 coming into stretch to resolve the add-on cert signing issue? Or is the buster freeze going to impact that? |
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| 10:58.00 | jelly | HicksD: freeze does not directly affect updates for stable. |
| 10:58.25 | dob1 | esr was not patched by firefox ? |
| 10:58.52 | dob1 | (firefox team) |
| 11:00.21 | HicksD | dob1: 60.6.2 was only released yesterday, not sure how quickly we could expect it, but I was more curious about whether it was possible or if the freeze would impact an update, jelly answered that ;) |
| 11:00.24 | HicksD | *:) |
| 11:01.21 | dob1 | HicksD, but if I remember correct, firefox didn't release an update for the fix. I was resolved by itself. |
| 11:01.31 | dob1 | without any new release |
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| 11:01.48 | HicksD | They've done a few things, if you have studies enabled they rolled out updates via that |
| 11:02.08 | HicksD | but they've also released 60.6.2 to address the issue in the esr |
| 11:03.10 | HicksD | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/60.6.2/releasenotes/ specifically |
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| 13:01.07 | miroesq | I'm having a hard time googling namespace setup. Is anyone aware of a good guide I can use. Basiclaly, I have two network cards and would like the system and all programs except one to only use one interface by default and my torrent prgram to only use the other. |
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| 13:03.52 | mawk | usually you don't do that yourself miroesq you use containers, that's why you can't find much info |
| 13:04.00 | mawk | but it's a cool thing to do by hand, you can read unshare manpage |
| 13:04.06 | mawk | it's pretty simple in your case |
| 13:04.14 | mawk | you spawn a new network namespace, move the other NIC into it, that's it |
| 13:04.19 | miroesq | mawk: how would I use a container to do that? |
| 13:04.48 | miroesq | i am looking for the easiest possible way as I have no linux background |
| 13:04.53 | mawk | to do what you want to do exactly a container isn't very suited |
| 13:05.03 | mawk | but I meant namespaces is the technology used in containers |
| 13:05.06 | tds | miroesq: was this the machine where you were trying to move a wireless interface into a namespace? |
| 13:05.11 | mawk | that's why you don't use them directly often |
| 13:05.40 | miroesq | tds: yes, but since I couldn't move the wireless, decided it would be easier to move the regular ethernet into it. |
| 13:06.00 | miroesq | mawk: ah. got it. |
| 13:06.11 | mawk | in one terminal tab you can do sudo unshare -n; then into it you do echo $$ to get the PID |
| 13:06.35 | mawk | then when you have the PID you can pin down its network namespace using funky commands, maybe ip netns can do it for you |
| 13:06.52 | mawk | then you can move stuff into it |
| 13:06.57 | mawk | let me try |
| 13:07.09 | miroesq | so once I create the namespace and move the network card into it, how do I get my torrent program, in this case transmission to use that space and how do I save that setup because when I had created a namespace before, it was gone when I rebooted |
| 13:07.32 | mawk | yeah even no need to pin down the namespace just use the pid in the ip link command to move the interface |
| 13:07.40 | mawk | ip link set $your_interface netns $the_pid |
| 13:07.57 | tds | you can always ip netns add foo to get a nice name rather than using pids ;) |
| 13:07.58 | mawk | then in your funny namespaced bash shell you can start whatever you want |
| 13:08.00 | miroesq | mawk: that seems easy enough |
| 13:08.18 | mawk | well easy for now, but since only the network is namespaced if this is a wifi interface you'll have some trouble getting authentication on it |
| 13:08.33 | mawk | if wpa_supplicant is already running in the main namespace |
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| 13:08.45 | mawk | if you add more and more isolation you just end up redoing a container, it's useless |
| 13:08.45 | miroesq | I will not move the wifi, i will move the ethernet |
| 13:08.48 | mawk | ah good |
| 13:08.51 | mawk | it's easier then |
| 13:09.00 | mawk | you can assign a static ip and route using ip commands |
| 13:09.12 | tds | miroesq: so how far along did you get with moving the ethernet interface? |
| 13:09.22 | miroesq | will do it now |
| 13:09.42 | tds | if you still had the config in /etc/network/interfaces, you should just be able to ifup it once you've got a shell in the new namespace |
| 13:10.42 | miroesq | I found this guide on namespace. is it good/right? https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/a5ngpy/create_a_namespace_with_a_wifi_interface/ |
| 13:11.35 | mawk | it's just someone asking a question |
| 13:11.38 | mawk | but yeah it amounts to the same |
| 13:11.39 | miroesq | tds: yes, the config for both my eth0 and wlan0 are both in my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:11.52 | miroesq | mawk: so use that guide? |
| 13:11.52 | tds | that looks more or less like the same commands I suggested last night :) |
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| 13:12.11 | miroesq | I've been at this since last nt lol |
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| 13:15.45 | xormor_GNU | the SSL Handshake Timed Out problem was a network connectivity issue and resolved upon reinstallation of network-manager and reboot of the machine. |
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| 13:23.38 | simpledat | Hi |
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| 13:24.02 | simpledat | is there coming any update for firefox? there is a addons unsupported issue |
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| 13:25.18 | themill | yes |
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| 13:29.43 | epsilon | I have a case where capabilities get lost after virtual disk migration... disk of a VM became too small, so created bigger one, partitioned and copied all files, fixed /etc/fstab and installed-grub |
| 13:31.17 | epsilon | so far so good, VM is booting from new disk. But some capabilities seems lost, like for /bin/ping. Only root can ping out of the box, users cant. getcap /bin/ping shows cap_net_raw+ep on old disk, none one new disk. Where did the information get lost? |
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| 13:32.13 | tds | epsilon: how did you do the copy? |
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| 13:35.16 | epsilon | tds: plain copy using mc |
| 13:35.21 | epsilon | as root |
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| 13:36.45 | tds | ah - you'd have needed to copy over xattrs, sounds like it didn't, I've no idea about mc though |
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| 13:38.20 | epsilon | ... so try again with classical 'cp -av'? |
| 13:38.32 | jelly | rsync -PaHSxX :-) |
| 13:39.51 | miroesq | I was able to move the eth0 interface into a namespace, but was not able to move the pid into taht namespace. Will try that now. is there a way to make the changes permanent? |
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| 13:52.04 | greycat | hey, remember that time when firefox broke every fucking extension at the same time and there's no fix? boy that was hilarious. |
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| 13:54.05 | themill | (s/no fix/several possible fixes/) |
| 13:54.41 | greycat | do all the possible fixes begin with "stop using -esr"? |
| 13:55.32 | themill | no, you can install an updated signing certificate or you allow firefox to do so itself or you can disable the signing check |
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| 13:56.16 | HicksD | I think they remove the option to disable the signing check in later versions, but debian's version still have it available. |
| 13:56.22 | greycat | well, the official mozilla blog post that told me to " |
| 13:56.42 | greycat | well, the official mozilla blog post that told me to "enable studies" is definitely not working, because I can't even check that box on the preferences screen. clicking it does nothing. |
| 13:56.56 | themill | you need to enable that in about:config |
| 13:57.00 | activist | Hi there. Does someone know is there any ETA update for Tor Browser? |
| 13:57.10 | themill | or you wait about another hour for an updated package. |
| 13:57.11 | HicksD | I would not be surprised if that was disabled by debian during packaging? |
| 13:57.16 | HicksD | studies I mean. |
| 13:57.19 | greycat | ok, I'll wait then |
| 13:57.50 | HicksD | Or was just not available by default in the esr version| |
| 13:57.52 | HicksD | *? |
| 13:58.12 | greycat | the boxes are visible in the UI, but clicking them does nothing |
| 13:58.19 | themill | it's turned off by default and the checkbox is disabled; app.shield.optoutstudies.enabled still exists |
| 13:58.39 | themill | (naming things is hardâ¢) |
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| 13:59.21 | HicksD | a quick workaround until the update comes out is xpinstall.signatures.required set to false, although I wouldn't risk installing anything from that point, but it allows existing installed extensions to work again. Not sure if they can auto update though, if so, that's a bit of a risk too then. |
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| 14:00.24 | greycat | HicksD: just *starting the browser* is a security risk at this point, because NoScript is gone |
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| 14:01.26 | greycat | I watched in horrid fascination as one of my web forum tabs kept making TLS handshaks after TLs handshake with every freaking domain in the universe, until I hit ESC |
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| 14:17.52 | dff | greetings! can i use a |
| 14:18.01 | dff | netinst CD image to install debian with a DE |
| 14:18.23 | themill | as long as you have a working internet connection at install time, or afterwards |
| 14:18.34 | Tenkawa | dff: any specfic reasons? |
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| 14:18.48 | dff | actually, i have a wifi chipset that needs non free drivers |
| 14:18.49 | Tenkawa | oops read your q wromg |
| 14:19.23 | Tenkawa | yes.. you can stage it with the non-free drivers |
| 14:19.51 | Tenkawa | if you have the software to put it on the media |
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| 14:25.43 | dff | ok thanks! |
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| 14:43.44 | FinboySlick | Hello people. I'm trying to install debian on a machine that only has serial console. I get to the debian bootloader and tried the 'install console=ttyS0,115200n8' trick described here: https://teklager.se/en/knowledge-base/installing-debian-over-serial-console-apu-board/ but that leads nowhere. |
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| 14:54.46 | miroesq | tds: this namespace will not really help me. When the system reboots, I have some apps that start listening on both interfaces. My quassel would also n ot connect and using nslookup chat.freenode.net tells me it's unreachable. If I were to disable the wifi interface and do nslookup, everythign works great and I can connect |
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| 14:58.13 | tds | miroesq: yeah, bringing everything up on boot with namespaces like that is a bit painful :/ |
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| 14:58.50 | miroesq | I am looking at a way to disable the wifi on reboot untill I start it manually |
| 14:58.56 | miroesq | that will do the job for me |
| 14:59.14 | tds | remove the "auto" or "allow-hotplug" line from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:59.31 | miroesq | think that may do it. thx |
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| 15:00.16 | tmroland | hi, how do i set date/time on debian, i followed wiki and instructions do not work |
| 15:01.18 | greycat | Are you on real hardware, or in a VM or container of some kind? If it's real, is Debian the only OS on the system, or is there another OS that you also boot? |
| 15:01.53 | tmroland | only debian on system, real hw |
| 15:01.56 | tmroland | fresh install |
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| 15:02.19 | greycat | then you should be able to set it by hand using "date", or simply by installing an NTP service if you're on the Internet |
| 15:02.32 | votesmith | my desktop/screen locks itself after some time (below 1 hour) of inactivity, even though in settinsg of xscreensaver I disabled all screen locking |
| 15:02.34 | votesmith | how to stop that |
| 15:02.50 | tmroland | i tried date --set 15:38:00 , i tried ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London /etc/localtime |
| 15:02.52 | tmroland | no go |
| 15:03.02 | tmroland | hour is still one hour before |
| 15:03.56 | greycat | what does "date -u" say? |
| 15:04.51 | Greyztar | tmroland: can try timedatectl set-time hour:minute:seconds also timedatectl set-timezone Zone/Town |
| 15:05.03 | greycat | that sounds systemd-ish |
| 15:05.05 | tmroland | root@localhost:/home/tmroland# date -u |
| 15:05.05 | tmroland | Mon 06 May 2019 03:04:51 PM UTC |
| 15:05.20 | greycat | tmroland: sounds correct to me. |
| 15:05.34 | tmroland | but its 16 05 |
| 15:05.41 | tmroland | so as i said, its flawed |
| 15:06.10 | greycat | your system clock is correct (within reason) because you're getting the right-ish time out of date -u. If your local time zone is not being seen correctly, that's a separate issue. |
| 15:06.30 | tmroland | that does not make sense |
| 15:06.36 | tmroland | how can the time be partially correct |
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| 15:06.55 | greycat | you're setting it by hand with a resolution of "nearest minute" |
| 15:07.10 | greycat | I have no idea how much lag there was between your running date -u and your pasting the result here |
| 15:07.17 | tmroland | 2 sec or so |
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| 15:07.31 | tmroland | so what would you do now if u wanted to set the time to 16 05 |
| 15:07.42 | greycat | wooledg:~$ LANG=C TZ=Europe/London date |
| 15:07.43 | greycat | Mon May 6 16:06:37 BST 2019 |
| 15:07.57 | dff | Hi all, im installing debian. I partitioned my 1tb sdb disk into two 500gb partitions, one i want to use for debian, and the pther empty for now. I uses the encrypted option which came with a warning that the volume will not be able to be resized later. That only goes for the partition im installing on right? |
| 15:08.15 | miroesq | tds: well, that didn't work :) system no longer obtains an ip address upon boot. |
| 15:08.33 | greycat | miroesq: ... isn't that what you asked for? |
| 15:08.37 | dff | so sdb1 will be locked, but i can still mess around with sdb2, right? |
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| 15:11.13 | jelly | dff: correct |
| 15:11.38 | jelly | dff: you could also leave that space completely unpartitioned. |
| 15:13.32 | dff | jelly: it is unpartitioned as is |
| 15:13.41 | dff | thanks for clearing that up for me |
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| 15:14.49 | wwilliam | I can not change the colors in vim |
| 15:14.51 | wwilliam | RETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)" |
| 15:15.06 | wwilliam | VIM - Vi IMproved |
| 15:15.12 | wwilliam | version 8.0.707 |
| 15:15.40 | wwilliam | How can I change the color scheme? |
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| 15:16.04 | wwilliam | :color "$color" |
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| 15:16.07 | wwilliam | dont work |
| 15:16.18 | miroesq | greycat: once I remove auto from the wlan0 interface in /network/interfaces and rebooted even the ethernet isn't getting an ip. |
| 15:16.21 | annadane | wwilliam, try not to hit enter so often, it makes it hard to follow discussions |
| 15:17.00 | wwilliam | ok sorry |
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| 15:19.18 | tds | miroesq: do you still have an "auto eth0" line or something along those lines? |
| 15:19.26 | humpled | is it real vim or tiny vim? |
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| 15:19.43 | Lt_Lemming | Hola all |
| 15:20.15 | wwilliam | humpled: |
| 15:20.16 | wwilliam | VIM - Vi IMproved |
| 15:20.39 | Lt_Lemming | I've got a VPS running Jessie that I want to upgrade to stretch, am I likely to break things if I just add the stretch repos to sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:20.47 | wwilliam | version 8.0.707 by Bram Moolenaar et al Modified by pkg-vim-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 15:20.49 | jelly | wwilliam: what does dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/vim) say |
| 15:21.07 | Lt_Lemming | it's mainly just running owncloud |
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| 15:21.24 | wwilliam | jelly: vim: /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 15:21.32 | jelly | Lt_Lemming: yes. You should read stretch release notes and follow the release upgrade procedure there |
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| 15:21.35 | greycat | Lt_Lemming: for a server the biggest changes are mysql->mariadb, and possibly the php 5->7 transition, but the latter is not automatic |
| 15:22.45 | jelly | Lt_Lemming: and verify owncloud and other third-party software that comes not-from-debian.org supports the new release |
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| 15:23.03 | jelly | it may have its own upgrade process |
| 15:23.07 | tmroland | seems like i had to modify timezone in /etc/timezone bcause just linking /etc/localtime to correct timezone in usr share timezone or manually adjusting it by date or timedatectl commmands will not work if timezone is incorrect in that file. |
| 15:23.14 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 15:23.15 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 15:24.28 | dff | jelly: i now have a partiotn called sb1_crypt but the installer gives an error that the partition is in use |
| 15:25.21 | jelly | dff: did the very same installer create it? |
| 15:25.27 | dff | yes |
| 15:26.35 | dff | jelly: "In use as physical volume for encrypted volume sbd1_crypt" |
| 15:27.17 | dff | No modifications can be made to the partition #1 of device SCSI6 (0,0,0) (sbd) for the following reasons |
| 15:27.29 | dff | typed in reverse order :) |
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| 15:30.35 | dff | wont let me delete the partition either |
| 15:30.40 | dff | ill reboot and try again |
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| 15:39.30 | de-facto | I installed Debian 9 Stretch with Gnome DE, now I want to only "startx" from .bashrc with autologin and execute .xinitrc |
| 15:39.37 | de-facto | what do i need to change? |
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| 15:40.03 | de-facto | I want to implement a "kiosk mode" |
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| 15:41.32 | jelly | dff: full disk encryption is implemented in layers, you use the partition (say /dev/sdb1) to put an encryption layer on it first (/dev/mapper/sdb1_crypt), then use _that_ to put real filesystems inside it |
| 15:42.13 | de-facto | I am planing to run chromium in a loop in openbox-session |
| 15:43.01 | jelly | dff: so /dev/sdb1 being "already in use" is fine |
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| 15:47.47 | jelly | dff: I suspect the installer assumes you know what you're doing. With a classic partitioning setup, if you want an ecrypted / filesystem, you need a separate small (say, 500MB) /boot that is not encrypted before it |
| 15:48.12 | dff | indeed it does |
| 15:48.26 | dff | i gave up and just used the whole disk |
| 15:48.31 | dff | :) |
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| 15:52.18 | annadane | well debian is awesome anyway, so... ;) |
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| 15:56.11 | dff | the reason i tried the other set up is i dont want a 1TB back up to restore the system |
| 15:56.33 | miroesq | tds: yes, it's still there. going to log in locally and change it back |
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| 16:04.19 | Guest290131 | Is there any announcement/bug no# for shipping the new firefox ESR point release which fixes addons? So far, I've been unable to find something |
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| 16:05.49 | greycat | a couple hours ago, I was advised to wait an hour for new packages |
| 16:06.07 | Guest290131 | greycat: I see! |
| 16:06.27 | Guest290131 | doesn't see an update yet, checks again? |
| 16:06.53 | jmcnaught | I've got 60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1 with the add-ons fix. The bug is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=928415 |
| 16:07.09 | de-facto | how do i disable GDM and autologin to bash to start .bashrc? |
| 16:07.19 | Guest290131 | I guess it hasn't reached my local mirror yet? |
| 16:07.37 | Guest290131 | (I am running stretch and apt update reports that all packages are up to date) |
| 16:07.44 | greycat | that's possible, yes |
| 16:08.11 | greycat | I'm not sure how the security.debian.org mirror network works |
| 16:08.27 | jmcnaught | it came from stretch-updates |
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| 16:08.40 | greycat | oh... |
| 16:08.44 | Guest290131 | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firefox-esr reports 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1 |
| 16:08.56 | Guest290131 | greycat: security is specifically set up for fastest propagation |
| 16:09.15 | greycat | jmcnaught said it's not coming from security.d.o but from stretch-updates |
| 16:09.20 | ro | p.d.o updates on a schedule, it's probably just behind |
| 16:09.40 | Guest290131 | I see |
| 16:09.47 | Guest290131 | Learning lots of new things today |
| 16:09.52 | jmcnaught | I'm using deb.debian.org as my mirror for what it's worth |
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| 16:10.30 | Guest290131 | jmcnaught: Same here, even though AFAIK this is a mirror redirect ;) |
| 16:10.54 | Guest290131 | Doesn't matter. I can take care of Other Things while the point release propagates |
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| 16:14.21 | glassresistor | any idea when the firefox add ons being disabled bug fix will go out on stable? |
| 16:14.39 | Guest290131 | glassresistor: It's out. It just has to propagate through the mirrors |
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| 16:15.08 | conta | I have it on sid already |
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| 16:15.37 | greycat | one person has reported getting in in stretch-updates already |
| 16:15.38 | glassresistor | awesome thanks |
| 16:16.00 | greycat | so, make sure you have the stretch-updates source as well as the normal stretch and security.debian.org sources |
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| 16:16.42 | Guest290131 | But stretch/updates is on security.debian |
| 16:16.48 | humpled | i see it too |
| 16:16.56 | humpled | firefox-esr/stable-updates 60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1 |
| 16:17.07 | greycat | stretch-updates and stretch/updates are two COMPLETELY different things |
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| 16:18.56 | Guest290131 | greycat: Funny that you mentioned it, but my sources.list does not have stretch-updates in it at all. |
| 16:19.03 | greycat | !stretch-updates |
| 16:19.03 | dpkg | i heard stretch-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <stretch/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 16:19.03 | Guest290131 | I do not remember modifying it. Why is that? |
| 16:19.43 | greycat | usually you can live without it just fine; this is an exceptional circumstance |
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| 16:20.10 | Guest290131 | recently switched to debian from another linux distro |
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| 16:21.23 | greycat | just got it from one of the ftp.us.debian.org mirrors here |
| 16:21.51 | humpled | slowest download ever |
| 16:22.36 | Guest290131 | So, stretch-updates gives me 4 packages to update. If I just update firefox, and then disable the repo, will I be fine? |
| 16:22.51 | greycat | yes |
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| 16:23.06 | greycat | those other 3 will be in the next point release, 9.10, whenever that happens |
| 16:23.14 | Guest290131 | Alright, thanks |
| 16:23.47 | Guest290131 | Is there someplace I can read about the way debian is organized/repos are set up? |
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| 16:25.11 | Guest290131 | Anyway, thank you for your assistance. Have a nice day! |
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| 16:30.43 | YokoBR | Hi folks, I'm trying to extract a huge deb file, but I get EOF error.. How do I do that? |
| 16:32.03 | tmroland | why are there so many gtk applications that do not respect the font settings (family,size) that I set in my DE? i'm in mate and i've chosen my fonts yet hexchat and libreoffice use different ones in their menus. makes me want to use windows 95 instead of linux on desktop. how do i fx it |
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| 16:36.17 | jelly | tmroland: gtk2 and gtk3 versions are rather different beasts, that's for hexchat. And libreoffice is a very special flower |
| 16:37.07 | tmroland | so if i want irc clientiwth same fonts in it as in mate what program should i use |
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| 16:44.05 | Bunk | Hi |
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| 16:45.30 | Guest45449 | I was close to installing Debian from usb. The iso was not contig, but lead to the install menu. I been told, there is no valid CD available. What was wrong ? I used the 670 MB iso and the 300 net installer |
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| 16:47.22 | rant | if you're wondering.. we're all sitting here reading that over and over trying to make sense of it |
| 16:47.34 | jmcnaught | Guest45449: how did you copy the ISO to USB? The recommended way it to use cp and to copy the ISO directly to the device (not to a partition on the device) |
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| 16:48.37 | de-facto | How would I disable GDM and autologin to a users shell to execute his .bashrc (starting startx hence .xinitrc)? |
| 16:48.46 | Guest45449 | jmcnaught: i use a multiboot usb and ther is a Linux iso menu. i mv ed from dolphin |
| 16:48.58 | zodd_ | I installed php-config on Stretch, which provides documentation, but not an executable. I am trying to build a .so PHP extension with gcc which requires php-config to ´run´. What gives? |
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| 16:49.28 | rant | de-facto: thats totally unnecessary.. you can run a custom xsession from a DM and also autologin from one |
| 16:49.29 | greycat | de-facto: perhaps you need to ask "how do I implement an autologin with gdm3" |
| 16:49.49 | rant | de-facto: furthermore there is nodm which is more lightweight if you want to do such things |
| 16:49.54 | jmcnaught | Guest45449: it's probably your multiboot USB whatever-that-is messing it up. Look at the install manual for how to do it properly: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 16:50.42 | Guest45449 | jmcnaught: I think so, too. I m going to oldschool burn it |
| 16:51.09 | de-facto | rant, greycat i am trying to start chrome in an openbox-session (works already when starting startx from a console), now i just need the autologin/startx part on bootup (kiosk mode) |
| 16:51.19 | Guest45449 | Ah. Is there - meanwhile - a linux program similar to wincontig ? |
| 16:51.36 | greycat | https://www.google.com/search?q=kiosk+autologin+gdm3 |
| 16:52.19 | rant | de-facto: the file you want it .xsession first of all.. the session mode you want in gdm is "default" which runs .xsession and then you want to enable autologin for a specific user in the gdm3 config |
| 16:53.04 | rant | de-facto: or as I said consider using nodm instead as it is used for this sort of thing, it ONLY provides autologin functionality and nothing more |
| 16:53.10 | zodd_ | lol. ah. It´s ancient. Removed in 2014 :-( |
| 16:53.12 | miroesq | tds: recovered the system. how can I delay the wifi bootup or start it manually? |
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| 16:55.03 | rant | YokoBR: you need to be more specific on what you mean by "extract" "huge" and "eof error" what command did you run specifically, what specifically was the error, what is this file? |
| 16:55.06 | Rhianon | proud to be an indain |
| 16:55.34 | Rhianon | thank you buddah |
| 16:55.47 | YokoBR | it's a 6gb deb file, but I've done a for and it worked. |
| 16:56.07 | de-facto | rant, for me there is no .xsession, but startx works fine with .xinitrc, as i would like to leave gdm pretty much untouched (to switch back for maintainance) i am looking into nodm. I remember something with agetty and systemd i did some years ago... not sure what exactly though |
| 16:56.25 | greycat | de-facto: mv .xinitrc .xsession |
| 16:56.56 | de-facto | hmm ok why? |
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| 16:57.45 | rant | de-facto: because thats the proper way to do it.. .xsession will be read by the DM and .xinitrc as the name implies is the runtime config for xinit |
| 16:58.25 | greycat | startx in Debian will read .xsession as well |
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| 17:00.45 | de-facto | currently i am doing an openbox-session with chromium in .xinitrc like this: https://pastebin.com/662ntptH |
| 17:00.53 | rant | heh |
| 17:01.03 | rant | gotta run, have fun with this one :D |
| 17:01.08 | greycat | mv .xinitrc .xsession and then you will be using an openbox-session with chromium in .xsession |
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| 17:01.24 | greycat | and then you can replace the startx with a DM, and then you can configure the DM for autologin, and voila |
| 17:01.46 | de-facto | ok sounds good so .xsession and nodm then |
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| 17:08.18 | de-facto | nice that works like a charm :) |
| 17:08.37 | de-facto | and chromium webgl seems to be even a bit faster than on gnome-shell |
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| 17:14.39 | Guest45449 | Quick Q. After partitioning / , home and swap, the rest of the disk is logical ext4, when it is used as storage ? |
| 17:16.05 | de-facto | there are 4 primary partitions possible afaik |
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| 17:17.32 | Guest45449 | ok, will try then |
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| 17:17.45 | humpled | what was the question? |
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| 17:18.41 | de-facto | how do i poweroff via sysrq? i know reboot r e i s u b ... my kiosk mode is very tightly configured lol |
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| 17:20.32 | de-facto | r e i s u o mazbe? |
| 17:20.47 | jmcnaught | de-facto: what about the computer's power button? |
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| 17:21.23 | de-facto | r e i s u o seems to work... power button yeah, does that do a fssync? |
| 17:22.07 | minik | welll.... I made a mistake and didn't back up my mysql databases... I did an update and now mysql appears to be broken. I have tried to uninstall, as well as -f flag, I've also tried dpkg removal... but no luck. purge might work, but it will destroy my databases... which isn't the end of the world... but I would really rather not have to deal with that... Any other recommendations? |
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| 17:26.22 | Tenkawa | minik: what errors are you getting in the logs first? |
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| 17:30.12 | minik | Tenkawa: /apt/term.log? not much |
| 17:30.23 | minik | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-9-amd64 |
| 17:30.25 | greycat | I'm sure he meant the MariaDB logs. |
| 17:30.25 | minik | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:30.27 | minik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.29 | minik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.36 | greycat | oh, you actually got errors from dpkg? wow. |
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| 17:31.14 | greycat | there is no such package as mysql-community-server in stretch. or buster. |
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| 17:31.24 | greycat | sounds like you're using some non-Debian packages |
| 17:31.30 | Tenkawa | minik: were you using outside sources? |
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| 17:31.55 | Tenkawa | greycat: yeah thats my thought too |
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| 17:32.07 | minik | I believe I am using mysql-community-server |
| 17:32.42 | greycat | well, you didn't get it from Debian |
| 17:32.58 | Tenkawa | that is not an official debian package |
| 17:33.03 | minik | yeah |
| 17:33.35 | minik | maybe i have to ask mysql, they sent me over here though |
| 17:33.52 | Tenkawa | well you jst did one of the quickest things to break system |
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| 17:36.13 | Tenkawa | by bring in something that was never meant to be there... the databases are probably ok.... getting to them is going through hoops |
| 17:37.50 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 17:37.51 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 17:38.32 | jelly | minik: ^ there may be other issues with dpkg or apt, can you provide all the info above? |
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| 17:40.37 | minik | yes, give me a bit. Thanks for all your help! |
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| 17:47.45 | dff | can someone help me with this mystery, i just made a clean install of debian 9.9 with gnome, full disk lvm encryption. All is fine, i unlock the volume and im sent to the user interface which doesnt accept my login credentials |
| 17:47.55 | dff | and there is tons of input lag |
| 17:48.00 | dff | and my mouse hardly works |
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| 17:48.16 | dff | ive even used the on screen keyboard to enter the passwd, but no |
| 17:48.37 | dff | (the passwd is really simple, as placeholder) |
| 17:48.44 | dff | so i have not gotten it wrong |
| 17:49.58 | minik | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/32ce6795/ |
| 17:50.09 | minik | for jelly and dpkg |
| 17:50.41 | dff | i used this to install with no net access debian-live-9.9.0-amd64-gnome.iso |
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| 17:55.47 | jelly | minik: so mysql service is failing to start at package configuration time. Are there any leftover mysqld processes that are still running? |
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| 17:56.14 | jelly | dff: can you switch to Ctrl-Alt-F1 and log in at the console? |
| 17:57.45 | dff | jelly: i wasnt 100% sure i set the correct keymap |
| 17:57.49 | dff | so im gonna redo it |
| 17:57.57 | dff | just 99.9999% sure |
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| 18:03.25 | minik | jelly: I'm not seeing anything by rinning top | grp mysqld or ps -aux | grep mysqld |
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| 18:03.52 | greycat | I'm not even going to guess what ps -aux does. |
| 18:03.54 | minik | running* |
| 18:04.05 | greycat | life's too short for that |
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| 18:13.50 | minik | sadly, I will have to take off in 15ish minutes... but i will be back in about an hour. I'll leave the room open. |
| 18:15.34 | jelly | diff -bdu <(ps -aux) <(ps aux) ... apparently sysv and bsd syntax are now the same |
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| 18:16.24 | jelly | minik: ok, you'll have to figure out why starting /usr/sbin/mysqld fails. Start by looking at syslog, grep mysqld /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 18:16.42 | Tenkawa | jelly: I thought they changed that a while back |
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| 18:17.16 | greycat | I wouldn't be completely surprised if they have special hacks to detect "-aux" and silently convert it to aux |
| 18:17.18 | Tenkawa | its about time either way |
| 18:17.18 | jelly | minik: if that does not provide clues you might need to run it manually in foreground |
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| 18:18.21 | Tenkawa | i hate these sys/bsd specific tweaks I always had to work on for *BSD |
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| 18:19.35 | jelly | I have either "ps -fe" in muscle memory or /ps auxw*/ but do not remember there ever being such a thing as ps -aux |
| 18:20.18 | Tenkawa | ps -aux was an OLD svr variant |
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| 18:20.41 | Tenkawa | I used it ncr unix |
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| 18:21.39 | Tenkawa | I havent seen it actually used either in an eon |
| 18:21.46 | greycat | System V ps syntax for "show me everything" is -ef |
| 18:21.57 | greycat | ps -ef (SysV) =~ ps aux (BSD) |
| 18:21.57 | Tenkawa | or ps -aef |
| 18:22.18 | EdePopede | iirc the manpage mentions 3 sets of options. somehow i switched to the ps aux group, didn't find an option in the other 2 or whatever. never looked back. |
| 18:22.35 | Tenkawa | there were too many sets of them |
| 18:22.44 | EdePopede | and (again iirc) the reason was some incompatibilities between them |
| 18:23.20 | jelly | linux should have stuck to one and put the other in /usr/ucb or something |
| 18:23.28 | EdePopede | +1 |
| 18:23.43 | Tenkawa | +1 agreed |
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| 18:24.29 | Tenkawa | but then again... the community agree on anything in mass? |
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| 18:24.41 | dvs | -1 |
| 18:25.03 | EdePopede | same with tools working with columns btw. some gnu, some util-linux, some bsd. each having its own syntax to tell it which column(s) to work on and what the character between them is. |
| 18:25.06 | MACscr | ok, so i do have a a few privileged (i think) linux containers that have been running for some time now. I have 24gb of ram on this system and not a lot of stuff that is memory intensive, but a process within one of my containers (crashplan enterprise server) keeps getting killed for OOM. I seem to have a majority of my memory in buffer on the node. suggestions? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/50cb88a9/ |
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| 18:25.33 | Tenkawa | EdePopede: yep.. the standards arent truly standard |
| 18:26.07 | ksk | MACscr: first one, dont use priviledge lxc containers. read the lxc docs on why.. |
| 18:26.09 | EdePopede | Tenkawa: they are. there are only too many of them. maybe next year will bring the one everyone will follw :) |
| 18:26.44 | MACscr | ksk i understand that now. was setup 5 or so years ago and changing them now really isnt an option |
| 18:26.49 | ksk | MACscr: then second, this output does not really help anyone. |
| 18:27.09 | Tenkawa | EdePopede: ok I might concede to that... there does need to be cleanup |
| 18:27.12 | MACscr | system is more in maintenance mode, not making any drastic changes. Just trying to keep it running |
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| 18:27.12 | ksk | you will need to take a system-snapshot (free, top etc) at the point of "right before OOM" to get to know whats happening. |
| 18:28.06 | AaronXu | how do i make my debian VM auto randomize its hostname upon boot? |
| 18:28.14 | ksk | MACscr: also, take a look at https://www.linuxatemyram.com/ -- having buffers with high values is not bad, this memory will get used if apps need it. |
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| 18:28.26 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 18:28.46 | dvs | ??? |
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| 18:29.03 | ksk | this is the grey cats way of telling us, that we are doin it wrong ;) |
| 18:29.11 | dvs | oh |
| 18:29.18 | greycat | Some questions... no. Just no. |
| 18:29.29 | greycat | Take your black hat script kiddie bullshit somewhere else. |
| 18:29.48 | MACscr | ksk the oom is getting initiated by puppet? |
| 18:29.57 | ksk | MACscr: nah, that is misleading. |
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| 18:30.39 | ksk | the kernel invokes oom-killer if it runs out-of-memory. it then kills what the it thinks is best to kill - usually the app with most ram used, but it differs afaik. |
| 18:31.07 | ksk | also, if you have puppet, and $java-app, Id bet that java app is causing the problems :P |
| 18:32.13 | MACscr | java is crashplan, so im i dont doubt thats eating the most memory, but i shouldnt be running out. I have a basic 4G memory set on the container: lxc.cgroup.memory.limit_in_bytes = 4G |
| 18:32.25 | MACscr | which maybe thats not working or isnt working the way i would expect it to |
| 18:33.22 | Tenkawa | bbialw |
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| 18:34.44 | ksk | MACscr: that more or less enabled your container to have 4G of ram. |
| 18:34.52 | ksk | 4G might be a little low for any java app though? |
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| 18:37.24 | ksk | adding swap can help with java, btw. |
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| 19:04.54 | cubemonkey | oops. Sorry. |
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| 19:12.22 | EdePopede | ,v brewtarget |
| 19:12.24 | judd | Package: brewtarget on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.0-1; stretch: 2.1.0-1+b1; buster: 2.3.1-3; sid: 2.3.1-3 |
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| 19:12.34 | EdePopede | DIY, cubemonkey ;) |
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| 19:13.21 | ksk | "GUI beer brewing software". lol. |
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| 19:27.37 | Tenkawa | wow for those who care did ou read about the windows WSL 2 coming in june? sounds like its going to be quite a substantial improvement |
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| 19:29.43 | Tenkawa | er released |
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| 19:33.32 | activist | hi all |
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| 19:36.03 | activist | i was looking for Debian privacy and security based distro and then i found PureOS but there is no enough article, reviews or something like that about them. If someone does have knowledge can you share? Thanks. |
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| 19:41.24 | bla | If you need full-fledged distro - stick with Debian and read articles on staying secure online. |
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| 19:41.50 | bla | If you just want to securely browse web and have no idea what are you doing - tails was mostly ok some time ago. |
| 19:42.06 | activist | bla you really deserve that nickname. |
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| 19:43.44 | bla | If you say so, then you're probably, or not, right. |
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| 19:44.35 | greycat | Snapping at the only person to answer you is not a great way to get more answers. |
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| 19:45.30 | bla | I should've quote the name "Tails" though. |
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| 19:45.59 | activist | Except Tails. |
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| 19:54.48 | de-facto | asking more specific questions increases chances to get more specific answers. In general I would consider Debian to be a very good distro for privacy, especially because it can be customized it to specific needs. If you are looking for something special maybe asking about that could help more? |
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| 19:59.31 | uio | Why isn't the Firefox fix for the add-on issue working for Debian? https://twitter.com/firefox?lang=en My addons are still disabled. |
| 19:59.57 | uio | Unless I do the turn-off-signature requirement in about:config |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | make sure you have stretch-updates in your sources. it's not in security. |
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| 20:00.26 | de-facto | ,v firefox |
| 20:00.27 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 66.0.4-1 |
| 20:00.31 | greycat | it's firefox-esr |
| 20:00.36 | de-facto | ah oh |
| 20:00.36 | Lisa_TX | You wanna watch my Live (Starting in 8-10 minutes)? I am going to touch & play with myself. VIP members get Requests Permissions (FREE VIP for the next 2 people). Link to my room: https://cutt.ly/EtQnEI ⥠|
| 20:00.49 | uio | greycat, But why did the issue appear without updating, but can't be solved without updating?? |
| 20:01.10 | greycat | It's something mozilla did, not something Debian did. I don't know much more than that. |
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| 20:01.30 | bla | The issue was caused by the time passing by. Certificate wasn't updated in time. |
| 20:01.42 | uio | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.51 | greycat | The fix is in stretch-updates. |
| 20:02.22 | uio | What is Lisa doing on here??? |
| 20:02.29 | greycat | Nothing. It's gone. |
| 20:02.46 | jhutchins | uio: It's best not to respond to things like that. |
| 20:03.16 | bla | And certainly refrain from clicking the links. |
| 20:03.46 | uio | jhutchins, bla Right. I just was confused as to how they were here.... |
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| 20:04.13 | jhutchins | uio: Anybody's welcome to join. |
| 20:04.51 | jhutchins | ... well, I suppose there are exceptions. |
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| 20:05.35 | uio | jhutchins, Join yes, but I'm not keen on people advertising whatever here. |
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| 20:06.41 | uio | greycat, Are my sources okay? : /etc/apt/sources.list : https://paste.debian.net/hidden/85eac2da/ |
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| 20:07.09 | uio | I tried apt install firefox-esr, but apparently it is the most up-to-date version already... |
| 20:07.21 | greycat | Probably. |
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| 20:07.39 | greycat | I don't know how long it takes for all mirrors to update, and I've never used the .jp one. |
| 20:07.49 | de-facto | i think i have seen an update today, is it possible to get publish dates for the package versions? |
| 20:07.51 | greycat | You did "apt-get update", right? |
| 20:08.11 | greycat | de-facto: /usr/share/doc/PKGNAME/changelog.Debian.gz typically |
| 20:08.20 | bla | uio, check the installed version: dpkg -l | grep -i firefox-esr |
| 20:08.39 | jhutchins | !mirrorstatus |
| 20:08.44 | de-facto | ah of course, right |
| 20:09.23 | jhutchins | ,v firefox-esr |
| 20:09.24 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.6.1esr-1; sid: 60.6.2esr-1 |
| 20:09.41 | greycat | judd doesn't know about it yet, apparently |
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| 20:09.57 | jhutchins | bla: No need to pipe it to grep |
| 20:10.11 | bla | jhutchins: old habits. |
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| 20:12.27 | greycat | jhutchins: if you don't pipe it to grep, then you end up needing to pipe the whole thing to cat, or else it truncates everything :-/ |
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| 20:15.23 | de-facto | stretch-updates seems to be http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_60.6.2esr-1_amd64.deb "Mike Hommey <glandium@debian.org> Sun, 05 May 2019 20:12:37 +0900" |
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| 20:21.23 | de-facto | oh correction i meant "stretch-updates" http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1_amd64.deb "Mike Hommey <glandium@debian.org> Sun, 05 May 2019 20:12:37 +0900" md5 4e8cc9cae7732b658d2dcdc8cf0a0817 |
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| 20:31.05 | x5a17ed | hi, is it possible to validate my partman recipe before using it in an installation? |
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| 20:31.43 | jhutchins_wk | x5a17ed: Try it and if you don't like the outcome change it and try again? |
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| 20:42.06 | uio | I tried apt install firefox-esr, but apparently it is the most up-to-date version already... |
| 20:42.18 | greycat | did you "apt-get update"? |
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| 20:44.52 | FunkyBob | ok, so I've used ~/.Xmodmap to try to stop my faulty up-arrow key being recognised.. but some apps are still recognising it |
| 20:45.05 | FunkyBob | how can I hook in lower to stop any apps ever seeing it? |
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| 20:45.54 | uio | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.01 | greycat | did you "apt-get update"? |
| 20:46.07 | uio | greycat, yep. |
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| 20:46.19 | greycat | then try a different mirror. I got it from the .us mirrors hours ago. |
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| 20:47.28 | de-facto | i think it should be version 60.6.2esr-1~deb9u1 from stretch-updates... |
| 20:47.46 | greycat | yes, he just has to find a mirror that has it |
| 20:48.02 | de-facto | deb.debian.org? |
| 20:48.05 | uio | Why don't official mirrors have it yet?? |
| 20:48.17 | greycat | stretch-updates has it |
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| 20:48.40 | greycat | whether a given individual mirror has it depends on how often and how reliably that particular mirror syncs up |
| 20:48.51 | uio | greycat, What are the best mirrors? |
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| 20:58.29 | uio | Two packages are telling me that they don't have public keys available when I run apt-get upgrade. How can I fix this? |
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| 20:59.51 | uio | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f8378281/ |
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| 21:08.13 | rwp | uio, You are mixing Debian and Ubuntu repositories! You have made a FrankenDebian! https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
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| 21:09.40 | greycat | rwp: not in the one I saw from him |
| 21:09.51 | rwp | 14:59 < uio> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f8378281/ |
| 21:10.20 | rwp | http://ppa.launchpad.net/nextcloud-devs/client/ubuntu zesty InRelease and https://packages.mailpile.is/deb release InRelease |
| 21:11.09 | greycat | 16:06 uio> greycat, Are my sources okay? : /etc/apt/sources.list : https://paste.debian.net/hidden/85eac2da/ |
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| 21:11.45 | uio | Oh. My bad. the two culprits are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d.... |
| 21:11.53 | uio | Should I just delete them them? |
| 21:12.02 | greycat | might be too late |
| 21:12.07 | rwp | The mailpile one looks acceptably not likely to cause trouble. |
| 21:12.19 | uio | rwp, And the other? |
| 21:12.40 | uio | greycat, Too late for what? I've been using it like this for months. |
| 21:12.42 | rwp | Well the other is an Ubuntu PPA so I assume it will want to pull in the Ubuntu libc and on from there. I did not look. |
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| 21:13.06 | uio | So, best course of action is to delete them at this point? |
| 21:13.10 | de-facto | are those the correct/complete standard mirrors for stretch? for R in stretch stretch-updates stretch/updates stretch-backports ; do printf "\n" ; for S in "deb " "deb-src" ; do printf "${S} http://deb.debian.org/debian$([ "${R}" = "stretch/updates" ] && printf -- "-security")\t\t${R}\t\tmain contrib non-free\n" ; done ; done |
| 21:13.25 | rwp | You can tell by running "apt-show-versions | grep -v /stretch" and see what it says. |
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| 21:14.33 | rwp | *With* those in place so that apt-show-versions knows they came from that repository. After you delete them then they will be "installed: No available version in archive" probably. |
| 21:14.41 | uio | rwp says that the command doesn't work. |
| 21:14.55 | greycat | it's an optional package |
| 21:14.59 | rwp | Does not work? Or is not found? It's a package that may need to be installed. |
| 21:15.12 | uio | bash: apt-show : commande introuvable |
| 21:15.16 | uio | Not found |
| 21:15.21 | uio | okay. |
| 21:15.25 | rwp | apt-get install apt-show-versions |
| 21:15.33 | greycat | it is apt-show-versions not apt-show versions |
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| 21:15.58 | uio | I tried both. |
| 21:16.05 | uio | And am installing it. |
| 21:16.29 | rwp | A normal line of output from it would be "xz-utils:amd64/stretch 5.2.2-1.2+b1 uptodate" saying that xz-utils is installed from stretch and is up-to-date. |
| 21:16.46 | uio | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d160e1b5/ |
| 21:16.48 | rwp | So all of those would be normal and okay. It is the other lines that it might print that are interesting. |
| 21:17.29 | rwp | Whew! Looks like you are in pretty good shape. Nothing too scary. |
| 21:17.55 | uio | Okay! So I can just delete those little fellas? I wish debian would get with Nextcloud though... |
| 21:18.10 | rwp | Without looking I will guess the python ones came from the mailpile repository. Not scary. The others are orphan older packages. |
| 21:18.23 | rwp | Yes. Just delete those two files from sources.list.d/ and then apt-get update again. |
| 21:18.59 | rwp | xul-ext-adblock-plus is a web browser plugin that looks orphaned. I would "apt-get purge xul-ext-adblock-plus" as a cleaning step. |
| 21:19.33 | rwp | I would also purge icedtea-8-plugin and default-java-plugin too since those are orphan on your system too. |
| 21:20.03 | rwp | firmware-iwlwifi is of course your wifi driver so keep that one or your wifi will not work. |
| 21:20.23 | rwp | It will be in the non-free suite and probably you don't have non-free enabled at this moment. |
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| 21:23.05 | uio | rwp okay! It's all good now! |
| 21:23.32 | uio | I'll just wait for that firefox fix to waddle over to jp and then try again soon. |
| 21:23.46 | dvs | jp? |
| 21:23.55 | uio | jp mirror. |
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| 21:26.17 | dff | im getting apt warnings with mulitple configurations in sources.list and sources.list.d/base.list, can i just remove the latter? |
| 21:26.55 | dvs | dff, can you paste what's in each? |
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| 21:28.55 | dff | too late i deleted it :D |
| 21:29.06 | dff | fixed my problem anyway |
| 21:29.19 | dvs | O_O |
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| 21:31.58 | dff | they both had the usual stuff |
| 21:32.04 | dff | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main and deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main |
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| 21:41.40 | mawk | /quat |
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| 21:45.53 | dff | hmm, why is the thai X terminal installed on a fresh system? under system tools |
| 21:46.10 | dff | used this iso debian-live-9.9.0-amd64-gnome.iso |
| 21:46.34 | EdePopede | because live i guess. should work for a lot of people out of the box |
| 21:47.01 | EdePopede | dff: while you *can* install from live you maybe should use one of the default ISOs |
| 21:47.27 | dvs | yes, it *MUCH* better to use the dedicated installer ISO |
| 21:49.25 | dff | that probably explains all the problems ive been having |
| 21:50.10 | EdePopede | really? also installed from live (had it anyway around) since i wanted to see how it will be. no need to reinstall so far. |
| 21:50.15 | EdePopede | what's wrong? |
| 21:50.28 | dff | apt sources |
| 21:50.28 | apt | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 21:50.54 | dff | really wonky login screen too, but i doubt that has to do with live-cd |
| 21:50.54 | uio | ragequit |
| 21:51.26 | dff | and a thai x terminal |
| 21:51.29 | dvs | If you managed to get it installed then you're OK |
| 21:51.30 | dff | cant have that now |
| 21:51.35 | EdePopede | only main here: stretch, security, updates |
| 21:51.47 | dff | i need non free from drivers |
| 21:51.49 | dff | for* |
| 21:51.56 | EdePopede | lightdm |
| 21:52.07 | __m4ch1n3__ | what drivers? |
| 21:52.13 | dff | broadcom |
| 21:52.16 | EdePopede | ah, drivers. that's usually the thing. then maybe you'd want the non-free iso |
| 21:52.20 | __m4ch1n3__ | no you dont |
| 21:52.25 | dvs | oh gawd |
| 21:52.26 | dff | yes i do |
| 21:52.27 | __m4ch1n3__ | driver is part of kernel |
| 21:52.39 | __m4ch1n3__ | you needfirmware from nonfree |
| 21:52.40 | dff | there is no way for me to get the wifi chip working without adding non free |
| 21:52.45 | __m4ch1n3__ | no you dont |
| 21:52.46 | dff | right sorry |
| 21:52.48 | dff | WAIT |
| 21:52.55 | __m4ch1n3__ | broadcom driver is part of kernel |
| 21:52.55 | dff | i need nvidia drivers |
| 21:53.07 | dvs | oh double gawd |
| 21:53.45 | EdePopede | dff: should you have a cisco router then please don't say it. dvs may collapse ;) |
| 21:53.55 | dff | pfsense |
| 21:54.08 | dvs | phew |
| 21:54.15 | EdePopede | ah nice. wanted to look at it for some time now. |
| 21:54.19 | dff | i use this computer for windows and gaming, thought id dual boot debian |
| 21:54.53 | dff | i had ubuntu on it until this morning |
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| 21:55.16 | EdePopede | nvidia here too btw. old cheap GT630. but i'm not a gamer, so it works at least. usually use the linux port of the slickware screensavers to test GPU performance |
| 21:55.17 | dff | threw that out the window when i saw studies for firefox was on by default |
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| 22:01.46 | JordiGH | Huh, is Courier a non-free font? |
| 22:01.47 | JordiGH | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier_(typeface) |
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| 22:01.51 | JordiGH | Wikipedia says it's free. |
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| 22:08.55 | sourcream | does the ExecStartPre in systemd units run if service crashes and restarts? |
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| 22:11.38 | rwp | dff, Please run "dpkg -S /etc/apt/sources.list.d/" and look to see if you have installed a package that installed a file there. You removed the files. You might want to remove those packages too. |
| 22:12.18 | rwp | Don't delete "apt" package that owns that directory though! :-) |
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| 22:16.19 | de-facto | sourcream, good question, maybe try to do something like "date > /tmp/test" to see when it fires? usually the docs are pretty well at https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html |
| 22:17.22 | sourcream | de-facto, yep I looked that actually |
| 22:17.41 | de-facto | i meant full path like /bin/sh -c 'date > /tmp/test' |
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| 22:18.53 | sourcream | Yep could try that |
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| 22:21.27 | de-facto | btw there is also #systemd on here, maybe the experts know more |
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| 22:26.38 | sourcream | Oh alright! Il go check there :) |
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| 22:29.48 | rant | anyone know why vlc in buster would put "thanks for being cool" across the middle of videos? |
| 22:29.57 | rant | it seems to do it even when OSD is disabled |
| 22:32.25 | ksk | its not part of your input file? :o |
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| 23:05.47 | de-facto | btw what is the standard config for pressing the power button? i would like to have it do a clean "fssync" poweroff |
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| 23:12.43 | sourcream | I need to create deployment bash scripts which pulls git repo and restarts service, is there some way I could do this without running process always with sudo? |
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| 23:17.56 | de-facto | sourcream, setuid? |
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| 23:20.04 | sourcream | de-facto, oh ye that could work |
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| 23:26.26 | humpled | de-facto i think the power button function is controlled by the desktop, in xfce4 it is in the power manager settings, a |
| 23:26.52 | humpled | and i presume it's calling the same actions as the logout/shutdown dialogue |
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| 23:28.48 | de-facto | humpled, yes i know i can configure it e.g. in Gnome, but I configured a "kiosk mode" with nodm and .xsession script (running openbox-session with chromium) and i disabled all the normal keys for breaking out of this |
| 23:29.07 | humpled | ah |
| 23:29.23 | de-facto | so i would like it to run the normal shutdown procedure e.g. poweroff or such when i press the physical power button |
| 23:29.53 | de-facto | i didnt test this today at work, but i powered it down with sysrq and r e i s u o |
| 23:30.08 | humpled | ah so you don't have the gui thing for setting the settings |
| 23:30.11 | humpled | i think openbox has some xml in ~/.config |
| 23:30.13 | de-facto | that worked, but the hdd made a very disturbing "click" |
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| 23:30.54 | humpled | oh that sounds like hard power off like holding the power button for several seconds or turning off the power with no battery |
| 23:31.15 | de-facto | yeah thats what sysrq "o" seems to do too |
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| 23:33.01 | de-facto | so i google for a solution to make openbox-session do a proper shutdown |
| 23:33.54 | annadane | openbox doesn't, by default, but it can be copied from /etc i think? |
| 23:34.03 | annadane | autostart, environment, rc.xml |
| 23:34.07 | annadane | one other i forget |
| 23:34.26 | annadane | cp /etc/xdg/openbox/* .config/openbox IIRC |
| 23:35.15 | de-facto | i dont have the computer with me right now |
| 23:35.25 | de-facto | but wanted to do some research how to achieve that |
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| 23:37.40 | annadane | i've never learned how to really ever use openbox properly, i always just bail out to something else lol |
| 23:38.50 | humpled | crunchbox/bunsenlabs was (probably is) pretty usable |
| 23:39.20 | humpled | had it's own shutdown dialogue, but i think systemctl can work |
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| 23:39.52 | de-facto | havent looked into it in detail but openbox-session for running chrome in a root window its quite stable/fast |
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| 23:41.30 | de-facto | btw what would debian itself do when i am in a tty console and press the powerbutton shortly? |
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| 23:41.59 | annadane | i think i've done it and it doesn't shut down right away, same as if you did it within x? |
| 23:42.02 | annadane | not entirely sure |
| 23:42.15 | humpled | hah well that worked |
| 23:42.23 | humpled | right away |
| 23:43.02 | de-facto | humpled, what worked? |
| 23:43.10 | humpled | systemctl poweroff |
| 23:43.16 | humpled | as user |
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| 23:43.45 | de-facto | ah ok, but not via "powerbutton event" or what that is called? |
| 23:43.54 | humpled | don't know yet |
| 23:44.10 | de-facto | ha be careful, dont mess up your filesystem... |
| 23:44.29 | annadane | what happens if you smash the computer case with a sledgehammer? |
| 23:44.31 | annadane | asking for a friend |
| 23:44.39 | de-facto | lol |
| 23:45.48 | de-facto | lemme try it myself tomorrow with the computer at work :) |
| 23:46.45 | humpled | http://openbox.org/wiki/Power_management |
| 23:47.20 | humpled | there's a link there to the arch wiki, often a good place for this kind of thing |
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| 23:48.45 | de-facto | also found a link i will try tomorrow: http://console.systems/2016/10/how-to-disable-power-button-in-openbox-and-debian-8-jessie.html |
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| 23:50.16 | de-facto | seems there is <keybind key="XF86PowerOff"><action name="Execute"><command>systemctl poweroff</command></action></keybind> in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
| 23:50.47 | humpled | nice |
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| 23:52.26 | humpled | that's changed then, since the old config i'm hanging on to, but i should have remembered those XF86 codes made my media keys work |
| 23:53.00 | de-facto | its for debian8 though, gonna try on stretch tomorrow |
| 23:53.54 | annadane | openbox also has pretty slow development so i guess it probably should still work on debian 9 |
| 23:54.21 | humpled | oh i was using it on 6 |
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