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| 00:10.03 | craigevil | !ssb |
| 00:10.03 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 00:17.48 | kreyren | <tds> kreyren: CAs never see your private key, they can't decrypt traffic |
| 00:17.51 | kreyren | context plz? |
| 00:19.21 | ksk | seems like a wrong highlighting ;) |
| 00:22.53 | tds | kreyren: ah yeah sorry, that was meant to be for karlpinc |
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| 00:44.33 | laptop | hi, I installed ufw, ssh port limit attacks, clamav, linux malware detect (killed monitor), chkroot and rkroot, app armor and firejail |
| 00:44.54 | laptop | I have 1 gb ram and dual core 1.6 ghz, should I add hips or network intrusion protection |
| 00:44.57 | laptop | how do I do this? |
| 00:45.09 | laptop | I am using chromium latest version 32 bit, I want something low spec |
| 00:45.50 | ksk | laptop: Id say you have 500% more security foo installed now than anyone else in here.. ;) |
| 00:46.14 | laptop | amazingly did it one 1 gb and desktop and os uses up only 156 mb |
| 00:46.19 | gert_ | most likely yes, at best I use firejail for a few internet-facing applications |
| 00:46.21 | ksk | clamav, for example, will most likely only find windows viruses (eg in your email, if you use thunderbird or something like that) |
| 00:46.24 | laptop | and that is with hexchat open |
| 00:46.39 | laptop | what about intrusion protection system |
| 00:46.58 | laptop | or network intrusion protection, anything better than ufw with ssh limit |
| 00:47.04 | ksk | but Im impressed, I did not know it was possible to run a browser (plus the rest needed for running it) with 1G of ram. |
| 00:47.06 | laptop | I also have hd encrption |
| 00:47.20 | laptop | rest, chromium on 32 bit only 4-5 tabs open at one time |
| 00:47.23 | laptop | one extension |
| 00:47.30 | laptop | also I have add block open as well |
| 00:47.30 | ksk | as far as I know, the thing with OSS IDS is, that you have to make your own patterns. |
| 00:47.46 | gert_ | I know there is fail2ban, that's a solid way to reduce brute force password attempts |
| 00:47.57 | laptop | I thought about it and installed it before |
| 00:48.00 | gert_ | might be heavy since it's python based |
| 00:48.01 | ksk | disable ssh password login, use keys. problem solved ;) |
| 00:48.13 | laptop | I disabled ssh password login and am using keys |
| 00:48.23 | laptop | I forgot to mention I added prey to the computer for laptop stolen |
| 00:48.28 | ksk | fail2ban can get heavy, if you use it on a like 10G webserver accesslogfile :D |
| 00:48.40 | laptop | it only slows the computer with shutting down |
| 00:48.45 | laptop | I can even run lotro on 1 gb |
| 00:48.48 | laptop | which is amazing |
| 00:49.02 | laptop | debian 9 stretch |
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| 00:49.20 | laptop | total hd space 26/33 gb used |
| 00:50.02 | gert_ | you're certainly better than the standard on security; even just a strict ufw or firejail would do this |
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| 01:11.13 | gert_ | ls |
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| 01:19.42 | seeker63 | i have gcc on my system but when i type gcc myfirst.cpp at root it says can not find gcc |
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| 01:21.07 | ksk | seeker63: what did you type in exactly, and what did the commandline reply? |
| 01:21.09 | ksk | !paste |
| 01:21.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 01:27.35 | seeker63 | ksk; i think i figured it out i did a whereis gcc and it told me /usr/lib/gcc so i will try and compile the code while in that directory |
| 01:28.03 | ksk | please no. |
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| 01:29.14 | ksk | take a look at "man hier" - /usr/lib/ is where libraries are stored, not executable commands. |
| 01:29.24 | ksk | how did you install gcc? |
| 01:31.17 | seeker63 | ksk: i believe it came when i installed jessie |
| 01:31.45 | rant | seeker63: do you have aptitude installed? |
| 01:31.57 | seeker63 | i use apt |
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| 01:32.12 | rant | seeker63: that wasnt my question.. humor me |
| 01:32.42 | rant | seeker63: aptitude has a feature that tells you the answer to that previous question |
| 01:32.55 | rant | seeker63: aptitude why gcc |
| 01:33.11 | seeker63 | rant: ok just a sec |
| 01:33.33 | rant | idk that the answer to that question is important.. I just find it curious you don't know the answer.. |
| 01:33.35 | ksk | not really needed imho. do a "dpkg -l gcc" to check if its installed. |
| 01:33.57 | ksk | (but I do like aptitude why!) |
| 01:34.06 | rant | ksk: why? |
| 01:34.07 | rant | :D |
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| 01:36.35 | seeker63 | ksk: what command to find the version of debian -- it looks like i am more legacy than i realized |
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| 01:37.09 | rant | ksk: a generic check is to cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:37.11 | ksk | "cat /etc/debian_version" for example. |
| 01:37.13 | rant | erm |
| 01:37.26 | rant | however thats not really gaurenteed to be accurate |
| 01:37.36 | rant | apt policy will also give some hints |
| 01:37.45 | rant | as well as dpkg -l libc6 or such |
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| 01:46.06 | seeker63 | wow i am still on wheezy. can i upgrade to stretch without screwing up my video workability. this desktop is very legacy |
| 01:46.28 | rant | seeker63: we do not support such a thing.. you have to upgrade through each release |
| 01:46.54 | seeker63 | rant: so i could upgrade to jessie from wheezy |
| 01:47.03 | rant | and you'll have to use archive to upgrade to jessie |
| 01:47.11 | rant | cause jessie was just recently archived |
| 01:47.32 | rant | seeker63: read the jessie release notes ch4 |
| 01:47.39 | seeker63 | rant: can i be sure that my video will not get messed up? |
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| 01:48.06 | rant | seeker63: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 01:48.12 | seeker63 | rant: ok thanks |
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| 01:48.18 | rant | seeker63: idk what you mean, but you can be almost sure it will :P |
| 01:48.36 | rant | cause I am guessing you have some kinda weird nvidia setup or something if you're asking such a thing |
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| 01:48.57 | rant | seeker63: then you'd go to the stretch release notes and do the same |
| 01:49.21 | rant | seeker63: and then in a month or so, go to the buster release notes and do it all over again :D |
| 01:49.45 | seeker63 | rant: I tried installing stretch on another system and the video would never appear when gnome would try to load |
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| 01:50.47 | rant | idk what you mean... you'd need to be more specific |
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| 01:51.45 | rant | seeker63: and if you're on wheezy you probably want to go with MATE going forward.. |
| 01:51.53 | rant | gnome isn't gnome as you'd know it anymore :P |
| 01:52.11 | seeker63 | rant: it will start to boot and then all i see is the mouse pointe on a blank screen |
| 01:53.08 | rant | seeker63: ah.. well if you see the mouse pointer the graphics are at least working somewhat.. |
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| 01:53.21 | rant | hard to say without more details on the hardware |
| 01:54.32 | ksk | Id maybe go for a reinstall here, rather. |
| 01:54.44 | ksk | this way, you would only need to make everything work one time.. |
| 01:54.52 | seeker63 | rant: ok well it will take awhile to get that info regarding graphics card etc. I even took away fb at boot parameter |
| 01:55.00 | rant | yes, if you're that far behind it'd be simpler to reinstall if you have means to backup things that are important like /home and such |
| 01:55.28 | rant | seeker63: yes it sounded like it could've been a fb issue but which gfx it was would be relevant |
| 01:56.32 | seeker63 | i can back up my files on this one i am on and install stretch on this one but the other system had a bigger hd and more ram |
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| 01:56.39 | rant | seeker63: were it me, and I had a machine running wheezy I'd just plan to reinstall a base using stretch then upgrade to buster before installing the rest of the system |
| 01:56.55 | rant | cause buster will be releasing within a few weeks.. probably sometime next month.. |
| 01:57.01 | rant | and you'd be current again |
| 01:57.40 | dvs | 132 bugs left! |
| 01:57.50 | rant | seeker63: and if you are comfortable with gnome on wheezy you should use MATE cause gnome3 is a completely different animale and rather atrocious in my opinion |
| 01:58.00 | seeker63 | ok tell me how to determine what graphics card i have on this system short of shutting down system and look at it . is the a command line that would tell me that |
| 01:58.04 | rant | dvs: yes well if you look at the graph its been stagnent for a week or two |
| 01:58.37 | rant | seeker63: lspci -nn give us the [1234:ABCD] portion of the line that seems to indicate graphics |
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| 02:01.36 | seeker63 | rant: looks like nvidia geforce4 ms nforce gpu |
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| 02:02.40 | rant | yeah well that could have some fb issues with noveau perhaps.. would probably work well with the legacy nvidia driver though.. its old enough to have had its bugs ironed out |
| 02:02.54 | rant | the name is irrelevant for support purposes |
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| 02:03.33 | rant | everytime I tell someone the command for lspci -nn and tell em to tell the portion that looks like [1234:ABCD] they never do it :P |
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| 02:07.13 | seeker63 | rant: [10de:01f0] on mb [102b:051a] graphics card in slot |
| 02:08.02 | dvs | ,pciid 102b:051a |
| 02:08.03 | judd | [102b:051a] is 'MGA 1064SG [Mystique]' from 'Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd.' with kernel module 'matroxfb-base' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=102b:051a |
| 02:08.17 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:09.23 | dvs | ,pciid 10de:01f0 |
| 02:09.24 | judd | [10de:01f0] is 'NV1F C17 [GeForce4 MX IGP]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:01f0 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 02:09.48 | rant | isnt that like the same gpu the original xbox had? |
| 02:12.42 | seeker63 | rant: so if i did the same with the other system could we figured out the problem? i.e. why mouse pointer but no desktop and does the above indicate that the graphics cards on this system would work with stretch and or buster |
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| 02:13.38 | MaTTFuRY | hey how many rootkits do u know for windows server? |
| 02:13.57 | MaTTFuRY | man Windows is bugged out to max recently |
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| 02:15.43 | rant | MaTTFuRY: not within the scope of this channel |
| 02:16.08 | rant | seeker63: it'd give some clues.. but really would need to explore it while the system is up and running |
| 02:20.35 | ksk | its more like an adventure. |
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| 02:22.12 | MaTTFuRY | how to mount a ntfs partition rw? |
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| 02:22.34 | rant | MaTTFuRY: with the ntfs-3g driver |
| 02:23.09 | rant | which would pretty much happen automatically on a stretch system |
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| 02:23.56 | rant | I would strongly recommend against doing extensive writing to NTFS not created with debian |
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| 02:25.00 | MaTTFuRY | rant, ill sell you the logs like "The Lonely Hacker APK" |
| 02:25.51 | MaTTFuRY | thats a mad game eh? |
| 02:26.13 | MaTTFuRY | Does Linux have an ARM Simulator? |
| 02:26.58 | rant | qemu can emulate it |
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| 02:48.28 | MissBrunette | You want to look at mе without clothes, sweetie (EXCLUSIVE FREE FOR NEXT 3 PEOPLE!!) ;-) follow the link and add me as a friend -----------> https://cutt.ly/3tYwHa |
| 02:50.19 | ksk | imho, the spammers should use per-channel specific links, to find the best clicking audience. |
| 02:50.51 | rant | they're not that clever |
| 02:51.23 | dvs | duh? |
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| 03:42.06 | nehemiah | I have a Debian Testing installation booting from the network using iSCSI. The machine won't shutdown or reboot properly as it, unassumingly disconnect from the network before it can actually power down or restart. |
| 03:42.49 | nehemiah | Is there a way to keep the network 'active' and let it die out with the reboot or halt? |
| 03:43.01 | xormor_GNU | nehemiah, sudo halt or sudo reboot |
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| 03:45.18 | nehemiah | xormor_GNU: I guess my issue is that, once disconnected from the network, that computer is missing it's root drive as it's on the network. I need to keep the network alive until Debian (Linux) does whatever it does to power down or reboot. |
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| 03:48.00 | rwp | nehemiah, I recall there being a mount option needed for NFS diskless operations to say that the root file system is on the network so do not disable the network before shutting down. |
| 03:48.10 | rwp | I just can't remember the detail of the option now though... |
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| 04:08.28 | bleb | is it just me or is the mutt package really neomutt? |
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| 04:13.06 | fred1807 | How can I install https://packages.debian.org/sid/fonts-noto-color-emoji on debian 9 strech ? |
| 04:13.20 | Unit193 | ,v fonts-noto-color-emoji |
| 04:13.21 | judd | Package: fonts-noto-color-emoji on amd64 -- buster: 0~20180810-1; sid: 0~20180810-1 |
| 04:13.31 | Unit193 | Huh, not even a backport. |
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| 04:15.53 | fred1807 | should I change my system to testing? |
| 04:17.19 | jetscreamer | only if you think you know you should or so |
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| 04:23.18 | fred1807 | google-compute-engine : Depends: python3-google-compute-engine (= 20190124-3) but 2.8.14-1 is installed |
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| 04:51.47 | incal | hello, what is a "multihardlink" or "regular file with more than one link"? |
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| 04:53.20 | incal | touch regular-file; ln regular-file hardlink-1; ln regular-file hardlink-2 # is regular-file a multihardlink now? |
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| 05:08.16 | bleb | it looks to me like the mutt package in stretch is actually neomutt |
| 05:08.20 | bleb | http://ix.io/1ImY |
| 05:08.24 | bleb | ^ output off mutt -v |
| 05:08.37 | bleb | this is actually on devuan ascii but i'm pretty sure the package is from debian |
| 05:08.51 | bleb | can anyone reproduce? |
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| 05:18.11 | bleb | incal: haven't heard the term "multihardlink" |
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| 05:18.35 | bleb | but a regular file with more than one link would be after running ln regular-file hardlink-1 |
| 05:18.43 | bleb | then you have two links: regular-file and hardlink-1 |
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| 05:25.43 | incal | bleb: OK. I read it after doing 'dircolors --print-database' |
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| 05:25.59 | mi11k1 | nebody have experience with Dell VRTX or m1000 blades? |
| 05:26.16 | incal | also, you don't know how to create a door or a non-stat'able file? :) |
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| 05:27.45 | incal | or a file with a "capability" |
| 05:29.09 | bleb | incal: pretty sure door and "capability" aren't unix file terms |
| 05:29.17 | mi11k1 | lol |
| 05:29.20 | bleb | must be specific to whatever you're trying to do |
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| 05:33.43 | incal | bleb: trying to understand the output of 'dircolors --print-database' |
| 05:34.06 | incal | as for doors, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doors_(computing) |
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| 05:35.37 | incal | man capabilities |
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| 05:37.28 | incal | so they exists but where I don't know |
| 05:43.54 | bleb | sorry i'm not familiar |
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| 05:53.47 | darxmurf | morning |
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| 05:54.10 | Ericounet | ÐÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ , hi |
| 05:54.33 | darxmurf | Priviet (sorry, no russian keyboard ^^) |
| 05:55.14 | darxmurf | I have a server where the .bashrc is not executed at logon, it was before and there is obviously somebody who changed something |
| 05:55.27 | darxmurf | when I . .bashrc it's fine then. But not directly at login |
| 05:56.48 | darxmurf | .profile is correct and /etc/bash.bashrc too |
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| 05:58.03 | met | darxmurf, maybe your shell is not bash anymore? echo $0 |
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| 06:02.23 | pragomer | it is 2019, I am using linux for 10 years now and I still have problems finding debians correct ISOs that I want. perhaps thats to me: |
| 06:02.26 | pragomer | http://i.imgur.com/hib5ToO.png |
| 06:02.42 | pragomer | where can I download live-isos of actual testing/buster with different desktops? |
| 06:03.08 | pragomer | I feel total dump about me not able to find the right iso. but its not the 1st time this happens to me regarding debian isos |
| 06:03.08 | darxmurf | met: it is |
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| 06:06.18 | jelly | pragomer: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -> weekly live builds -> amd64 -> iso-hybrid |
| 06:08.34 | mi11k1 | pragomer, debian site is horrible |
| 06:08.43 | jelly | pragomer: unless you need firmware on them to make hardware work, then -> unofficial -> non-free -> images-including-firmware -> weekly-live-builds -> ... |
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| 06:09.19 | jelly | debian site does not link automated live builds for testing anywhere AFAIK |
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| 06:09.54 | mi11k1 | just hard to navigate |
| 06:10.58 | mi11k1 | i alwasys find what i need, but its frequently mentioned i find.\ |
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| 06:13.08 | mi11k1 | darxmurf, what DM? |
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| 06:18.06 | pragomer | I know and love debian since years, but you are right.. the site (and navigation and finding isos) is really horrible |
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| 06:19.21 | mi11k1 | i think its done on purpose to weed out ppl with no patience. |
| 06:21.05 | k_sze[work] | `getfattr -d my_file_path` shows nothing even though `ls -l` shows a + sign. |
| 06:21.10 | k_sze[work] | What could be wrong? |
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| 06:23.40 | darxmurf | mi11k1: DM ? |
| 06:24.40 | mi11k1 | darxmurf, sorry i thought something else. |
| 06:25.24 | mi11k1 | darxmurf, just for one user? |
| 06:25.39 | mi11k1 | what if you make a new user? |
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| 06:31.58 | superlinux | hello |
| 06:32.00 | darxmurf | it works with another account |
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| 06:32.49 | superlinux | I just want anyone check for me whether the website http://obeidforpumps.net opens nomally. would you please help? |
| 06:33.23 | superlinux | you should see a blue elliptic slogan |
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| 06:38.03 | superlinux | ok thanks |
| 06:38.14 | superlinux | it seems that my proxy was off |
| 06:40.38 | darxmurf | mi11k1: the .bash_profile file is in cause |
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| 06:58.39 | targz_ | Hi, is there a recommended package for notifying for apt package updates? Something like a GUI tray icon applet. |
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| 07:05.23 | LobsterEd | how do I verify my registered username in hexchat? |
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| 07:06.08 | targz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.34 | LobsterEd | thanks targz will try that |
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| 07:08.54 | LobsterEd | OK - not logged in? How do I log in? |
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| 07:11.27 | targz_ | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat |
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| 07:14.43 | targz_ | In general you can just /msg NickServ identify <user> <pass>, but SASL is more convenient. |
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| 07:16.02 | LobsterEd | thanks targz ... on my way there ... |
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| 07:22.14 | LobsterEd | seems my registered name and password is not for freenode - it is pretty ancient |
| 07:22.42 | kirk781 | LobsterEd, lol |
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| 07:23.53 | LobsterEd | gosh - have got to read up on this dinosuar methodology - no fingerprint recognition or eyeball scan |
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| 07:24.15 | LobsterEd | and kirk781 laughing at me ... |
| 07:24.36 | kirk781 | LobsterEd, how old is your username? |
| 07:25.02 | LobsterEd | at least 8-10 years since I last used IRC |
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| 07:26.36 | LobsterEd | anyway I can be unverified for now |
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| 07:28.15 | Unit193 | LobsterEd: Your nick isn't registered, you could just register (/msg nickserv help register) |
| 07:28.36 | LobsterEd | Came here to ask about Raspberrian but am probably in the wrong place |
| 07:29.14 | LobsterEd | OK thanks Unit193 (are you part of the DR WHO posse?) |
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| 07:30.19 | LobsterEd | Unit is the equivalent of MIB |
| 07:30.50 | Unit193 | LobsterEd: That'd be #raspbian, and I am a Doctor Who fan, sure. |
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| 07:32.18 | OS-43576 | hi |
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| 07:34.09 | LobsterEd | thanks gonna try joining raspbian |
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| 07:35.01 | LobsterEd | hi OS |
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| 07:36.51 | kirk781 | Unit193, who is your favorite doctor? |
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| 07:37.17 | LobsterEd | Thanks for advice everyone - new dimensions to explore for me |
| 07:37.19 | Unit193 | This likely isn't the best channel to start that discussion, kirk781. |
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| 07:38.26 | LobsterEd | Don't mention the Dr? Dr Who? |
| 07:39.09 | LobsterEd | Mien god the cybomen are here - call Deb and and Ian - where are the companions when you need them? |
| 07:39.17 | kirk781 | lol |
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| 07:40.35 | LobsterEd | Did I mention I was a dimensional travelling lobster - probably best not to? |
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| 07:41.46 | LobsterEd | I normally use Puppy Linux - so just saying Woof woof to the big dogs :) |
| 07:43.19 | LobsterEd | I am official cructacean for Puppy -so friendly relations(puts away claws) are part of my remit |
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| 07:48.56 | LobsterEd | Reading the msg guidelines I see this is basically a help forum run by zombie bots? |
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| 07:49.18 | LobsterEd | Or am I being bad to the lurkers? |
| 07:50.34 | Unit193 | This is a support channel, given the time it tends to be dorment. If you'd like a social channel, there's always #debian-offtopic. |
| 07:51.41 | LobsterEd | thanks unit - am off to explore - thanks for help. Viva Le Penguin. Tux for smarts |
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| 07:55.50 | watom | hey, in buster curl is working on https links only if i set CURL_CA_BUNDLE. is that a common bug? |
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| 08:06.59 | tom_work | s |
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| 08:07.53 | tom_work | Is there any way to peform some APT operations on a mounted disk image of Debian, except I cant use chroot because my host is X86-64, and the OS i'm trying to prime is ARM64? |
| 08:08.46 | petn-randall | tom_work: You could boot it via qemu and emulate arm64. |
| 08:09.06 | tom_work | how can I do that? |
| 08:09.28 | petn-randall | Though I can imagine that apt has some flag to set the basepath if you find it in the documentation. |
| 08:09.41 | petn-randall | tom_work: I'd install virt-manager and then just use the GUI. |
| 08:09.52 | petn-randall | The CLI is quite arcane. |
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| 08:10.50 | Tom-_ | there's a dpkg --root or something, if you can use dpkg instead of apt |
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| 08:11.57 | tom_work | perhaps I could tell you my real problem |
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| 08:12.17 | tom_work | when I install openrc on my embedded computer, the system stops booting properly |
| 08:12.25 | tom_work | works fine with sysv-rc though |
| 08:12.37 | tom_work | no clue why, nothing in logs |
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| 09:02.32 | jadax | how do I install gimp 2.10 on Debian 9.8? |
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| 09:02.44 | jadax | some tutorial suggest using snap - package manager |
| 09:02.47 | jadax | never used it, never heard |
| 09:03.03 | jadax | but my 'apt-get cache search snap' only shows some snap to manage genes |
| 09:03.07 | jadax | seems like that's a different snap |
| 09:04.05 | jadax | this page says they have it in experimental: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gimp |
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| 09:07.16 | jor | well, if you're already using Gnome, easiest way is using flatpak to get more recent gimp |
| 09:07.23 | jor | https://wiki.debian.org/FlatpakHowto |
| 09:07.48 | jor | snap is basically Ubuntu's own version of flatpak |
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| 09:08.40 | jelly | jadax: short answer is you can't, not from any debian.org package |
| 09:09.02 | jadax | ok, so what's the least risky / most reliable way to get it then? |
| 09:09.06 | jadax | just build from source myself? |
| 09:09.08 | jelly | ,v gimp |
| 09:09.09 | judd | Package: gimp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.10.8-2; sid: 2.10.8-2 |
| 09:09.16 | jelly | upgrade to buster? |
| 09:09.41 | jelly | set up a buster chroot? |
| 09:09.53 | jadax | is buster stable? |
| 09:10.01 | jadax | I think it's testing |
| 09:10.11 | jelly | it's not stable yet. |
| 09:10.18 | jelly | possibly this year. |
| 09:11.03 | jadax | but if 2.10 is in experimental then why wouldn't I just add experimental to sources.list and install it using apt-get? |
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| 09:16.25 | jelly | jadax: because adding newer branches to an installation of stable results in a broken system. |
| 09:16.27 | jor | 'cause you don't wanna add experimental to a 'stable' debian. you could use it with 'unstable' |
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| 09:16.56 | jadax | even high-level purely userspace application like gimp? |
| 09:17.09 | jadax | I'm not changing systemd or any other core component |
| 09:17.15 | jelly | especially an app that has dozens of dependencies. |
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| 09:17.52 | jelly | if you want to test packages in experimental, install and use debian's unstable branch |
| 09:17.54 | jelly | !experimental |
| 09:17.55 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 09:17.55 | jor | it would need to update a *lot* of dependencies, for startes gimp will suck in whole new gnome version... which in turns want a newer systemd :) |
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| 09:19.46 | jadax | haha, ok |
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| 09:19.59 | jadax | I didn't think it was such a big deal to *just* install newer gimp on my stable debian |
| 09:20.16 | jelly | installing newer _anything_ is a big deal |
| 09:20.31 | jelly | unless it's made specifically to work with stable |
| 09:20.34 | jadax | ok, so how about upgrading to buster? |
| 09:20.43 | jadax | that seems rather straighforward |
| 09:20.53 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 09:20.53 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc (and please report additional problems). TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt- full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. Remember you're running a pre-release version of Debian. |
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| 09:21.37 | jadax | I don't have much experience with debian testing, is it very likely I will hit some bugs or other obstacles? |
| 09:22.40 | jelly | there are 136 or so still unsolved release-critical bugs to be solved for buster |
| 09:22.49 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 09:22.49 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=stretch&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 09:23.09 | jelly | your experience may vary |
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| 09:24.04 | jor | just always assume the worst, don't do it if you don't wanna deal with some bugs |
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| 09:25.20 | jor | i'd still suggest trying the flatpak version. Not sure how good that works on debian strech, but it's self contained, userspace installed, gimp version. So easy to get rid of if doesn't work |
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| 09:26.10 | jadax | ok, let me do the flatpak then |
| 09:26.53 | jor | I'm on unstalbe myself. But i've used flatpak in the past (to get a gimp that's usuable on hidpi screens) |
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| 09:29.16 | jadax | so flatpak is totally separate to apt-get? |
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| 09:29.52 | jor | well, you should be able to apt-get flatpak it self, after that it's seperate from apt-get/dpkg |
| 09:30.07 | jadax | ok, thanks |
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| 09:31.07 | jor | it's containerized app installations, mainly developed by the gnome people. So it integrates best with that :) |
| 09:31.24 | jadax | just started gimp 2.10 thru flatpak |
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| 09:31.29 | jadax | it works! |
| 09:31.33 | jadax | magic |
| 09:31.35 | jor | gimp also does nightly build to flatpak, so that alwasy nice to test new stuff :) |
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| 09:31.41 | jadax | what about all of the dependencies? |
| 09:31.53 | jadax | they are within the container? |
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| 09:32.07 | jor | yep, you basically get a whole 'gnome' container :/ |
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| 09:33.14 | jadax | and if I ever decide to remove that gimp 2.10, it's not gonna cause any harm to the rest of the OS? |
| 09:33.22 | jadax | seems like it's very well decoupled from anything important |
| 09:33.55 | jor | nope, just remove through flatpak uninstall |
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| 09:34.14 | jor | or just remove/purge whole flatpak through apt/depkg |
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| 09:35.04 | jor | yeah, works fine of something like gimp, since basically the only interaction with the 'outside' is opening and saving files |
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| 09:36.33 | jor | and hopefully that still works with the flatpak version in debian 9 :/ |
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| 10:18.23 | DonAlex | Morning peeps. |
| 10:18.43 | DonAlex | Still getting this error when using apt update.. https://paste.debian.net/1082066/ |
| 10:19.03 | DonAlex | Any idea how to clear it? I deleted the cache and refreshed it but still barfing . |
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| 10:27.07 | themill | DonAlex: ftp.uk.d.o isn't the most reliable |
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| 10:27.25 | wwilliam | GM |
| 10:27.26 | wwilliam | I have this "script" http://paste.debian.net/hidden/75d7535f/ but my var is not expandting i get this error:http://paste.debian.net/hidden/66440213/ any help or hint is greatly appreciated thank you in advance. |
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| 10:27.41 | themill | DonAlex: deb.debian.org is usually a better option |
| 10:27.48 | wwilliam | "${st}mntpnt" this one is not expanding to the mountpoint |
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| 10:29.32 | themill | wwilliam: it is expanding correctly though: $st is "fl" |
| 10:30.55 | wwilliam | yes but i want to keep going to the mount point |
| 10:30.56 | themill | The ${!foo} syntax can help you here |
| 10:31.12 | wwilliam | themill: ? |
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| 10:32.19 | themill | The ! gives you the level of indirection you are looking for |
| 10:32.52 | wwilliam | let me try thank you themill |
| 10:33.27 | themill | (or eval, but if you can avoid eval you'll be happier) |
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| 10:35.12 | wwilliam | ok thank you. |
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| 10:45.57 | wwilliam | if mountpoint -q "${!st}mntpnt"; then did not work |
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| 10:48.05 | themill | that's not the indirection required |
| 10:48.38 | wwilliam | oh |
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| 10:50.04 | wwilliam | in the script the $st can be ny fl nj nc and there are mountpoints name flmntpnt njmntpnt ncmntpnt nymntpnt i want when the client ch0oses any of thosethe var $stmntpnt |
| 10:50.05 | themill | wwilliam: m=${st}mntpnt; mountpoint ⦠${!m} |
| 10:50.15 | wwilliam | to expand to any of those mountpoints |
| 10:50.42 | wwilliam | Thank you let me try that |
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| 10:53.57 | xormor_GNU | what should I be able to remove from my / system safely? I installed Debian stretch, upgraded until 9.9 and then upgraded to buster. I want more space in /. |
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| 10:54.27 | xormor_GNU | I just removed old kernels and their headers, and libreoffice* |
| 10:54.57 | themill | xormor_GNU: an "apt-cache clean" if you have not yet. Also "aptitude search ~o" |
| 10:55.09 | wwilliam | m=${st}mntpnt if mountpoint -q "${!m}"; then still error |
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| 10:55.19 | wwilliam | fuse: bad mount point `': No such file or directory |
| 10:55.20 | wwilliam | find: ââ: No such file or directory |
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| 11:01.14 | xormor_GNU | themill, do I have to remove by hand the packages shown with "aptitude search ~o"? |
| 11:01.26 | xormor_GNU | themill, can I automate it with one, 2 or 3 commands? |
| 11:02.25 | xormor_GNU | themill, sudo apt-cache clean does not work, but sudo apt-get clean and sudo apt clean work. |
| 11:02.35 | themill | err yes, sorry |
| 11:02.49 | themill | if you want none of the obsolete packages, "aptitude purge ~o" |
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| 11:10.27 | xormor_GNU | themill, thanks. what else can I remove safely? so that the system is still operational for the usual Internet stuff, like WWW browsing, IRC, and of course for playing Quake 2 (locally) and BatMUD (on the net), and perhaps some fiddling around with system tools. |
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| 11:12.33 | xormor_GNU | mounted device name:/dev/sda2 whole:28G in use:11G free:16G in use:39% mount point:/ |
| 11:12.43 | BCMM | xormor_GNU: `apt autoremove` |
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| 11:13.09 | BCMM | xormor_GNU: it will find packages that were installed as dependancies of packages that are no longer installed (e.g. unused libraries) |
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| 11:14.46 | xormor_GNU | BCMM, thank you. it seems it did not find anything as of now, but often when I remove certain packages the system tells me I can run "apt autoremove" to remove those old packages, that were installed as dependencies no longer existing. |
| 11:14.54 | tmroland | hi |
| 11:15.15 | f0x | I forcefully shut down my computer yesterday, after the shutdown got stuck and I didn't want to wait any longer. Now I cannot unlock either of the two encrypted disks, any ideas? |
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| 11:21.09 | xormor_GNU | can I remove this safely? --> "ii linux-image-amd64 4.19+104 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)" when I have this installed "ii linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 4.19.28-2 amd64 Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)"? |
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| 11:21.27 | xormor_GNU | which is the current one I am using now? |
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| 11:24.08 | rant | xormor_GNU: you can but there is no reason to, and you shouldnt |
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| 11:25.32 | xormor_GNU | rant, ok. I am going outside for a cigarette. I think I have enough space in my / right now. |
| 11:25.58 | humpled | removing libreoffice was probably the biggest single thing you could do |
| 11:26.00 | rant | xormor_GNU: you will not gain any space removing an empty package,, and you may break upgrades to future kernels |
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| 11:30.06 | xormor_GNU | rant, I see. |
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| 11:33.57 | wickedmic | Hi everyone, when I boot my linux system my monitors go into stanby and i cannot reach the system via ssh (it not even ping works). When I boot the rescue console from my usb debian installer I can see that nothing was written to any log files. The only thing that works is to append 'break=top' as kernel parameter so I end up in the initramfs debug shell. Now I'm kind of out of ideas what to look for. Any |
| 11:34.00 | wickedmic | suggestions how to find out what's going wrong? |
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| 11:43.22 | ws-chris | wickedmic, what boot loader do you have? load the kernel or stop with a black screen before? |
| 11:43.31 | ws-chris | try this: https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/ |
| 11:44.00 | wickedmic | i'm using grub2 |
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| 11:48.55 | wickedmic | grub does not seem to be the problem since i can boot the system. but shortly after some console output the monitors are going into standby. |
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| 11:50.52 | rant | it sounds to me like your system is going to sleep/hibernate/powering off |
| 11:51.08 | rant | stuck button, failing cooling system, battery, etc.. |
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| 11:57.43 | wickedmic | well the machine is still running and all devices like mouse and keyboard are still on, also why are the log files untouched (the modification date is for yesterday) |
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| 12:12.15 | ws-chris | wickedmic, /var/log is mounted in a separated partition? |
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| 12:14.45 | ws-chris | wickedmic, do you can check your disk partition table (fdisk -l) and file system disk space usage (df -h)? |
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| 12:17.17 | humpled | just because the mouse shows a light doesn't necessarily mean the kernel has loaded |
| 12:18.16 | wickedmic | the /var/log folder is on the same partition as / and is 28% used |
| 12:18.50 | wickedmic | humpled: you are right, i'm 100% sure, maybe the machine goes into standby |
| 12:19.01 | wickedmic | but why should it do that? |
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| 12:23.25 | humpled | if you don't think you've changed anything, you can look for broken hardware as rant said |
| 12:24.17 | humpled | have you tried to edit the grub line and enable verbose, remove quiet, maybe use nomodeset, anything like that? |
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| 12:24.47 | humpled | looked in /etc/apt/history.log to see if there were any updates just before it went wrong? |
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| 12:25.22 | humpled | erm duh, that's /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 12:26.07 | humpled | also syslog obviously |
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| 12:30.38 | wickedmic | about broken hardware: i can boot into windows, which seems to have no problems with the hardware |
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| 12:32.19 | wickedmic | as mentioned i'm trying various settings for the kernel parameters to get some kind of information about what is going wrong |
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| 12:32.52 | wickedmic | the parameter break=top brings me into initramfs debug console where i can look at the system |
| 12:33.17 | wickedmic | but in this state there is nothing mounted but / |
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| 12:33.56 | humpled | yes and that / is not your real disk is it |
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| 12:38.07 | wickedmic | ok, i checked again: when in initramfs debug console (with break=top) and doing df there is /dev and /run, the / folder seem not to be the normal / (various folders are missing, e.g. /var has no log/ in it) |
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| 12:50.05 | rant | wickedmic: yes the initrd image is mounted as rootfs by the kernel and until it mounts the reall rootfs and runs pivot_root, you are just in a small image running in ram |
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| 13:36.12 | domovoy | hi |
| 13:37.17 | dvs | goodbye!!! ;-) |
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| 13:38.03 | Oberon4278 | Is it safe to say that Debian and Ubuntu are fairly similar? |
| 13:38.26 | greycat | This is a trick question. So I'm going to answer "No." |
| 13:38.27 | jelly | Oberon4278: they're about 60-70% similar |
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| 13:38.31 | dvs | dems fighting words! |
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| 13:38.40 | jelly | is that fair? |
| 13:38.44 | greycat | Please ask a more useful question. |
| 13:38.51 | jelly | "why do you ask" |
| 13:38.55 | kiwi_24 | Hello |
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| 13:39.32 | kiwi_24 | I am having some trouble installing debian and would appreciate a little help. |
| 13:39.57 | domovoy | in order to get ipv6 on my virtual machines, i'm trying to setup a ULA on a bridge interface, here is my interfaces.d file: https://pastebin.com/AarUUyu4 Problems: if i don't disable dad, it times out, why? The interface doesn't have its link-local address anymore, why? |
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| 13:40.51 | kiwi_24 | I have curious situation, having successfully installed debian from live cd's many times in the past, for some reason the installer no longer works. |
| 13:41.43 | jelly | kiwi_24: installer on live is a bit problematic in some situations. For more reliable results use the separate installer images, not live. |
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| 13:41.56 | kiwi_24 | Tried 9.9 and 9.8, gnome and xcfe. Fails every time at the 'install the system' step. |
| 13:41.58 | dvs | kiwi_24, use the dedicated installer ISOs. There's a much better chance of success with them |
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| 13:42.37 | tds | domovoy: did you `ip address flush` at some point? that's a common way to drop your link local by accident |
| 13:42.37 | kiwi_24 | dvs the full dvd images rather than the live cd? |
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| 13:42.59 | kiwi_24 | why would it stop working like this after several years of working just fine? |
| 13:43.00 | dvs | kiwi_24, Well, just not the live images |
| 13:43.12 | dvs | you lucked out |
| 13:43.17 | domovoy | tds> i don't remember doing that... but how could i fix it if i did? |
| 13:43.44 | tds | domovoy: if the system isn't doing anything important, just take the interface down and back up again |
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| 13:43.52 | kiwi_24 | dvs no luck involved in logic though, I dislike not knowing why this is happening. |
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| 13:45.09 | domovoy | tds> did that several times while testing my config (especially because i was getting 'Waiting for DAD... Timed out'), and tried it just now, so i don't think it's the problem |
| 13:45.41 | kiwi_24 | I will try the dvd, see if that will work, I am using the live cd to connect to irc via the Internet, the live part is working. |
| 13:46.37 | tds | domovoy: if you manually `ip link set virt0 down` and back up again, do you get the link local back? |
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| 13:49.12 | domovoy | tds> no, strange thing is... it doesn't get _any_ ipv6, while it gets the one i configure whith 'ifup virt0' |
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| 13:49.41 | tds | domovoy: you don't have the disable_ipv6 sysctl set by any chance do you? |
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| 13:50.07 | domovoy | tds: how do y check? |
| 13:50.19 | tds | `sysctl -a | grep disable_ipv6` |
| 13:50.47 | domovoy | my other interfaces _do_ get their link-local, virt0 used to, before i tried to add the ULA |
| 13:51.13 | domovoy | tds> no, all '= 0' |
| 13:52.20 | spirillen | Hi guys, I've just installed buster and of curse updated it to present state. I've installed the KDE on SDDM on my Lenovo t-520 with nvindia car. It is sitting on a docking-station with two external monitors over DP. Now is my Q how do I get my two external monitors enabled? |
| 13:53.10 | owl | do you love systemd? |
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| 13:53.53 | spirillen | owl who are you asking? |
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| 13:55.18 | tds | domovoy: ahh - could you pastebin `ip a`? |
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| 13:56.26 | DonAlex | themill: Fairy nuff. Changed it now.. still irks me a little because as part of the debian install it asked you to choose your mirror and that really should not need to be changed manually after x number of upgrades |
| 13:57.27 | tds | domovoy: testing on a random stretch box, that config gets me a bridge with no member interfaces which is stuck in no-carrier and therefore state down, so you won't get a link local until it actually comes up |
| 13:58.15 | domovoy | tds> isn't that what ifup does? |
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| 13:58.43 | domovoy | my `ip a`: https://pastebin.com/7TKryM9R |
| 13:58.48 | themill | DonAlex: you don't need to change it after a number of upgrades, you need to change it because ftp.uk.d.o tends to fall over from time to time. It's run by a volunteer on donated hardware btw. |
| 13:59.21 | themill | DonAlex: and that's precisely why deb.debian.org is strongly recommended since that is much more resilient. |
| 13:59.51 | tds | domovoy: yeah, since it's "state DOWN" you won't have a link local - if you add some actual member interfaces and then set it up I suspect it'll all start working? |
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| 14:00.55 | domovoy | tds> you mean start a libvirt domain that uses it? |
| 14:01.15 | tds | domovoy: sure |
| 14:03.00 | domovoy | tds> wow, you're right! :) never would have thought of that |
| 14:03.07 | tds | oh |
| 14:03.08 | tds | that's... odd |
| 14:03.21 | tds | it's down to you specifying the bridge_hw option |
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| 14:03.54 | tds | scrap that and it'll come up in state unknown with a link local |
| 14:04.48 | domovoy | tds> thanks |
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| 14:05.20 | domovoy | any idea why DAD times out? |
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| 14:05.56 | domovoy | ho wait, it doesn't anymore |
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| 14:06.06 | tds | did you remove the bridge_hw line? |
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| 14:06.19 | domovoy | all that because of bridge_hw? why? |
| 14:06.26 | domovoy | tds> yes |
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| 14:06.30 | tds | cool |
| 14:06.52 | tds | from a glance, looks like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725786 might be worth reading |
| 14:06.53 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/725786 in bridge-utils (closed, patch): «bridge-utils: Improving the bridge_hw option in /etc/network/interfaces»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-10-08; last modified: 2014-07-05. |
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| 14:07.28 | tds | oh, though that's all from way before stretch, weird |
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| 14:08.09 | kiwi_2639 | I am downloading the 1st DVD to try that, is this possible a uefi issue, some security setting in the bios? |
| 14:08.16 | tds | domovoy: btw, you should probably be picking a random prefix, rather than using 01 |
| 14:08.16 | tds | :) |
| 14:08.29 | wickedmic | ws-chris, rant, humpled: it turned out that the module amdgpu was the problem, I blacklisted it and now my system boots normally again. Now the question is, why is amdgpu broken? |
| 14:08.45 | kiwi_2639 | sorry I was kiwi_24 a few posts back :) |
| 14:09.07 | tacegory | what package should I install to use libinput with X.org? I already have xserver-xorg-input-libinput installed, but when I do "libinput list-devices" it says "command not found" |
| 14:09.48 | domovoy | tds> yes i know, but for testing that was enough. Any way to generate that random prefix automatically when the interface comes up? |
| 14:11.13 | tds | domovoy: you could probably do it with a post-up hook that adds an address - though assuming this is being set up once and left then you don't need to ever change it, just start with a random one |
| 14:12.09 | tds | there are a bunch of sites online that will generate a random prefix for you as well if you're feeling lazy |
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| 14:14.13 | domovoy | tds> yeah, lazy is kind of my second name :) |
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| 14:17.18 | ws-chris | wickedmic, what does this command? lspci -nn | grep -E 'VGA|Display' |
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| 14:21.12 | wickedmic | ws-chris: 0b:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Vega 10 XL/XT [Radeon RX Vega 56/64] [1002:687f] (rev c3) |
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| 14:21.44 | tacegory | maybe to give more context to my question. I am trying to use software debouncing for my broken mouse, and apparently libinput can do that |
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| 14:23.13 | incal | hello, if I have an URL, say http://www.some-url.con/x/y/z, is there a name (tech term) to refer to everything _but_ the x/y/z part? |
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| 14:24.06 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL#Syntax |
| 14:25.10 | incal | yeah I already looked but I can't call it scheme:[//authority]path in code, can I? |
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| 14:25.39 | incal | no one will understand it, it looks 100% alien to me as well |
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| 14:25.44 | greycat | you're asking "what should I name the variable that I put this stuff in"? |
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| 14:26.18 | incal | close, but a function argument |
| 14:26.44 | ayekat | naming things - the hardest part in IT |
| 14:27.00 | incal | maybe there isn't a name? |
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| 14:27.24 | greycat | The two hardest things in IT are naming stuff, caching, and off-by-one errors. |
| 14:28.07 | incal | OK either there isn't a name, or the name isn't good, or nobody knows the name, or won't tell... |
| 14:28.17 | ayekat | incal: probably not - it's like asking "how do I call the group of food that is bread and orange juice (but not other food)?" |
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| 14:29.20 | incal | no |
| 14:29.45 | incal | # is a hash, ! is a bang, #! is a hashbang |
| 14:30.13 | greycat | just make up a name, because there isn't one |
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| 14:30.23 | ayekat | incal: that's not the same thing, though |
| 14:30.28 | greycat | url_prefix or something |
| 14:30.40 | incal | yeah if there isn't one I can make one up, np |
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| 14:31.07 | incal | ayekat: obviously it isn't the same thing, it never is when comparing things |
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| 14:31.31 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 14:31.39 | incal | well thanks anyway |
| 14:31.39 | ayekat | incal: I was just giving an example of multiple things that each have a name individually, but a random sub-combination of these things might not necessarily have a name :-) |
| 14:31.50 | neilthereildeil | I was reading about creating services in debian that start at boot |
| 14:32.17 | incal | here there is a clear sequence of components tho, not "random" at all. anyway time to agree to disagree |
| 14:32.27 | greycat | ayekat: a closer analogy would involve talking about several pieces of a larger whole, like "the legs, groin and lower torso -- what's the name of that part of the body?" |
| 14:32.44 | ayekat | true |
| 14:33.05 | incal | ha ha |
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| 14:34.59 | neilthereildeil | if i only want to "losetup -f" a file at boot, would i need to create a full service for it? |
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| 14:36.09 | diffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.56 | ws-chris | wickedmic, update the bios to it's lastest ASRock version; comment with hashtag this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" on /etc/default/grub, after editing the /etc/default/grub file you have to update grub to make it in effect: sudo apt update-grub; reboot the system |
| 14:38.16 | ayekat | neilthereildeil: a .service file just describes how to run some program - "a full service" isn't as much as you make it sound |
| 14:38.22 | tinyhippo | diffy: 'doesnt work'? |
| 14:38.34 | ayekat | neilthereildeil: your program there would be something that losetup's a file (and ideally also provides a way to undo that) |
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| 14:39.30 | neilthereildeil | when i reboot, is there anything automatically calling "losetup -D" on the loopback volumes in my system? |
| 14:39.47 | diffy | os boots,but the browser doesnt work |
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| 14:41.18 | ayekat | neilthereildeil: not exactly by calling losetup, but AFAIK loopback volumes are automatically detached when the system shuts down, yes |
| 14:41.42 | neilthereildeil | what service does that and how? |
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| 14:47.13 | ayekat | not sure if this is done by any service, or if it's just the kernel destroying its devices at some point during shutdown |
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| 14:48.35 | ayekat | neilthereildeil: what is your goal, though? |
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| 14:49.43 | neilthereildeil | ayekat: when the machine boots, I want to automatically attach a loopback volume |
| 14:49.52 | neilthereildeil | because other services will use it |
| 14:50.02 | ayekat | yes, but what is inside that volume? |
| 14:50.06 | itamarst | hey, anyone have a sense of when debian buster will be out? |
| 14:50.15 | ayekat | neilthereildeil: will you then mount a filesystem that's in there? |
| 14:50.37 | neilthereildeil | no i wont actually mount it |
| 14:50.43 | neilthereildeil | its a VM image |
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| 14:50.54 | neilthereildeil | LVM volume |
| 14:51.07 | greycat | itamarst: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 14:51.25 | greycat | itamarst: also https://twitter.com/debian_tracker |
| 14:52.05 | itamarst | thanks! |
| 14:56.22 | ayekat | neilthereildeil: I'm afraid I can't quite help there... I think the issue will then be to have LVM properly recognise the volume contained in the loopback device |
| 14:56.48 | ayekat | I don't know how LVM works exactly, and whether it will automatically detect that the loopback device holds any LVM volumes |
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| 14:58.31 | ayekat | if yes, I guess it should not be an issue - if you know which loop device you want to assign (e.g. /dev/loop0), you can just have ExecStart= and ExecStop= directives in your service file (with the appropriate losetup commands) |
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| 15:08.01 | ksk | neilthereildeil: what does "attach a loopback volume" mean, if not mounting it? |
| 15:09.15 | neilthereildeil | losetup -f FILE_WITH_LVM_VOLUMES_IN_IT |
| 15:09.30 | neilthereildeil | these volumes show up in /dev |
| 15:09.56 | neilthereildeil | and my VMs point to these volumes as virtual disks |
| 15:10.05 | neilthereildeil | but the host never actually mounts it |
| 15:10.13 | neilthereildeil | i guess the VMs mount it though |
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| 15:12.26 | ksk | yeah, sounds like. running a (oneshot?) systemd service should do the trick I think. |
| 15:12.47 | ksk | make sure it runs before "start all VMs" unit kicks in. |
| 15:12.56 | greycat | The advantage of doing whatever-this-losetup-thing-is as a systemd service is that then you can have your OTHER systemd services depend on it. |
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| 15:33.59 | annadane | buster will likely fix this but um, what method have people used to solve the problem where if you open pavucontrol to switch a sound source to your headphones, there's buzzing and it takes a while to switch? as far as i understand it's the fact the pulseaudio daemon has to start up, or something... |
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| 15:40.03 | wickedmic | ws-chris: well there was indeed an update for my mainboard and i also noticed that my last debian update installed a new version of firmware-amd-graphics, so that sounded promissing, but with the new bios version amdgpu is still broken |
| 15:40.13 | annadane | hmm, i may have a few hints. let me try to figure this out on my own |
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| 16:08.04 | Sepultura | Hallo |
| 16:08.18 | Sepultura | Has anyone tried the Windows Subsystem for Linux? |
| 16:08.20 | Sepultura | :D |
| 16:09.40 | humpled | yes some people have tried it |
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| 16:13.35 | jelly | Sepultura: yes, someone most certainly has. |
| 16:13.53 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:13.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:32.12 | bleb | can someone who has installed mutt on stretch try mutt -v ? |
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| 16:32.21 | bleb | i'm getting this, which suggests it's actually neomutt: http://ix.io/1ImY |
| 16:32.25 | bleb | anyone know what's up with that? |
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| 16:32.54 | greycat | "mutt" in stretch is indeed neomutt |
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| 16:39.29 | jelly | mostly because mutt had to alive upstream for so long |
| 16:39.44 | jelly | had no* upstream alive |
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| 16:42.44 | awer | failing to locate the correct room - how can I grep out all lines form a file starting with either '03/14/2019' or '03/13/2019' |
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| 16:43.24 | greycat | grep '^03/1[34]/2019' myfile |
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| 16:47.10 | jelly | !kernel |
| 16:47.12 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.1, mainline: 5.1, stable 5.0: 5.0.14, longterm 4.19: 4.19.41, longterm 4.14: 4.14.117, longterm 4.9: 4.9.174, longterm 4.4: 4.4.179, longterm 3.18: 3.18.139 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.66, linux-next: next-20190508 |
| 16:47.12 | awer | greycat: thanks, i tried but didnt match anything |
| 16:47.31 | awer | greycat: using zsh by the way |
| 16:47.31 | dvs | 5.1 is out! |
| 16:47.35 | greycat | perhaps there's some whitespace before the date |
| 16:47.46 | greycat | dvs: and buster is in full freeze. |
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| 16:47.56 | awer | greycat: no white space |
| 16:48.08 | dvs | O_O |
| 16:48.12 | dvs | what a day! |
| 16:48.17 | greycat | hex dump one of the lines you think should match and see what the line REALLY has in it |
| 16:48.31 | jelly | awer: verify if there's invisibl stuff in there, head -n2 file | hexdump -C |
| 16:49.08 | jelly | heh |
| 16:49.59 | jelly | (two lines also provide a clue to a linesep pattern) |
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| 16:51.01 | awer | 31 39 20 30 33 3a 31 35 |03/14/2019 03:15| |
| 16:51.05 | awer | looks ok? |
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| 16:51.32 | awer | they are logs from responder |
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| 16:51.49 | jelly | that is not a complete line from hexdump. |
| 16:52.15 | greycat | Indeed. You're only showing the "19 03:15" part. |
| 16:52.57 | awer | 01334af0 31 39 20 30 33 3a 33 32 3a 32 33 20 50 4d 20 2d |19 03:32:23 PM -| |
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| 16:52.59 | jelly | but the lack of . on the ascii dump side kind of implies there are no shenanigans going on, at least not at line beginning |
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| 16:53.28 | awer | looks normal with cat but i guess thats why you said you hexdump |
| 16:53.41 | jelly | awer: surely your head -n2 did not output 0x01334af0 bytes?! |
| 16:54.03 | awer | sorry took off the head -2 because those arent the ranges i was looking for |
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| 16:54.39 | jelly | these are not the bytes WE were looking for |
| 16:54.59 | awer | my apologies |
| 16:55.00 | awer | 00000000 31 30 2f 32 33 2f 32 30 31 38 20 31 30 3a 33 39 |10/23/2018 10:39| |
| 16:55.00 | awer | 00000010 3a 35 36 20 41 4d 20 2d 20 52 65 73 70 6f 6e 64 |:56 AM - Respond| |
| 16:55.03 | jelly | (to make sure what a line beginning looked like) |
| 16:55.20 | jelly | that seems sane |
| 16:55.38 | awer | is because im using zsh? |
| 16:55.43 | jelly | but we still don't see how the line ends. |
| 16:55.53 | jelly | your shell has nothing to do with hexdump output |
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| 16:56.14 | jelly | or grep. |
| 16:56.30 | jelly | (zsh does not have a grep builtin... yet) |
| 16:56.34 | awer | this is what a line looks like 03/14/2019 01:08:34 PM - [*] [LLMNR] Poisoned answer sent to 1.1.1.1 for name PC |
| 16:56.58 | dff | http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 16:57.31 | awer | its got sensitive inforamtion in it so cant really share. |
| 16:57.32 | jelly | awer: does grep '^10/23/2018' file | head show anything? |
| 16:58.13 | awer | jelly: yes it does |
| 16:58.42 | awer | 10 entries all starting with "10/23/2018" |
| 16:58.44 | jelly | awer: and, does grep '^03/1[34]/2019' file ... say anything at all? |
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| 16:59.26 | jelly | like, maybe "Binary file matches" |
| 16:59.29 | awer | jelly: no |
| 16:59.40 | awer | jelly: well it says "Binary file Responder-Session-PF.log matches" |
| 16:59.48 | jelly | precisely. |
| 16:59.52 | awer | which is the name of the file |
| 16:59.53 | jelly | use -a |
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| 17:00.17 | awer | jelly: ah hah! |
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| 17:00.27 | jelly | greycat: see it's at this point I'd do a *plonk* if I were you! |
| 17:00.30 | awer | jelly: thank you sir/madam |
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| 17:00.45 | jelly | but I just *sigh* quietly |
| 17:01.20 | awer | jelly: sorry just new to this .. |
| 17:01.35 | awer | was using -e earlier |
| 17:01.48 | awer | then learnt of egrep = grep -e |
| 17:01.48 | greycat | 12:47 awer> greycat: thanks, i tried but didnt match anything |
| 17:01.59 | greycat | 12:59 awer> jelly: well it says "Binary file Responder-Session-PF.log matches" |
| 17:02.03 | jelly | awer: yeah, next time, if someone asks "does command say anything", that includes anything on EITHER stdout or stderr |
| 17:02.25 | awer | jelly: noted |
| 17:02.31 | greycat | It's a bit of a puzzler how someone can see "Binary file ... matches" and report that as "didnt match anything" |
| 17:02.49 | jelly | lights up some matches and watches the world burn |
| 17:02.56 | awer | greycat: becuase im thikin it didnt match anything. |
| 17:02.57 | greycat | and no, egrep is grep -E NOT grep -e |
| 17:03.14 | jelly | (case is important with linux commands) |
| 17:03.21 | awer | awer: ok i need to study basics. |
| 17:03.22 | awer | thanks |
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| 17:05.04 | awer | where should questions about regex be asked? |
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| 17:06.45 | jelly | I think there's a #regex |
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| 17:16.51 | jhutchins_wk | ! regex |
| 17:16.51 | dpkg | from memory, regex is ^[$%]?s/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\)+/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\)*/[i]?$, or tutorial at http://weblogtoolscollection.com/regex/regex.php |
| 17:17.07 | jelly | awer: a #regex channel here on freenode that is. |
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| 17:19.55 | nehemiah | I'm booting Debian from an iSCSI target. But shutting down fails with the message 'failed execute shutdown binary'. I suspect that is because the network goes down before it executes the binary loosing the root drive. |
| 17:20.21 | bleb | 12:39 < jelly> mostly because mutt had to alive upstream for so long |
| 17:20.23 | nehemiah | Is there a ways to keep the network active so that the machine can execute the shutdown binary? |
| 17:20.31 | bleb | jelly: when was the gap? |
| 17:21.01 | bleb | looking at mutt.org it looks like 1.8.0 came out 2-3 months after 1.7.2 |
| 17:21.11 | jelly | bleb: like debian 6 - debian 8 |
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| 17:21.46 | jelly | bleb: debian accumuled _lots_ of patches |
| 17:21.52 | jelly | can't type |
| 17:22.38 | jelly | afaik neomutt was created as a way to manage those patches across multiple distros |
| 17:23.56 | annadane | i'm wondering about emacs's upgrade path, stretch has 24 and 25, presumably buster will keep 25 for upgrade purposes, but then what of bullseye... |
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| 17:24.23 | annadane | i'll probably just install from nix anyway but just as a curiosity |
| 17:24.31 | bleb | jelly: so by "not alive" you mean mutt devs were making releases but not merging patches? |
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| 17:27.38 | Kurogane | Hello, i've a problem with connecting to ssh when my box is a full speed, there is anyway to connecting? the only why to get connect again is reboot the server but when my connect is back to full speed happen again |
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| 17:28.55 | jelly | bleb: pretty much. Consider the number of non-bugfix releases 2010-2016. |
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| 17:30.07 | jelly | bleb: http://www.mutt.org/news.html |
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| 17:31.01 | jelly | bleb: a single bug-fix release in three years does not look like a live upstream |
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| 17:32.51 | Sepultura | jelly: have you tried to run WINE on WSL ? :D |
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| 17:34.50 | jelly | Sepultura: current WSL does not have graphical capability, if you want to use X11 apps you need a windows-native X server, or run X on a different system |
| 17:36.18 | jelly | Sepultura: if you want that kind of thing, try ReactOS. |
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| 17:44.09 | bleb | jelly: i see, i think i understand. thanks |
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| 18:05.05 | neilthereildeil | how can i stop supervisord? |
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| 18:05.21 | jelly | how did you start it, neilthereildeil? |
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| 18:05.35 | greycat | ,file bin/supervisord |
| 18:05.39 | judd | Search for bin/supervisord in stretch/amd64: supervisor: usr/bin/supervisord |
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| 18:06.48 | greycat | looks like "daemontools written in python" from the pkg descr |
| 18:06.54 | neilthereildeil | supervisord -c path/to/cfg |
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| 18:07.11 | neilthereildeil | but that doesnt stop it |
| 18:07.27 | neilthereildeil | oops i meant thats how i started it |
| 18:07.29 | greycat | what does its documentation say? |
| 18:07.42 | ChunkzZ | I've been an Ubuntu user for years... never really "tested" Debian, I know Ubuntu is based off Debian.. anyway I have moved my server over to Debian 9 and was thinking about installing it on my desktop. can I test Buster? |
| 18:07.45 | neilthereildeil | supervisord stop servicename: |
| 18:08.07 | neilthereildeil | greycat: but that doesnt owrk |
| 18:08.11 | neilthereildeil | i still see it listed in top |
| 18:08.15 | dvs | ChunkzZ, well, buster won't be testing for much longer. |
| 18:08.16 | greycat | "it" |
| 18:08.30 | greycat | WHAT do you see in top |
| 18:08.33 | neilthereildeil | supervisorctl stop servicename: |
| 18:08.33 | greycat | WHAT did you expect to see |
| 18:08.45 | neilthereildeil | i see supervisord listed in top |
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| 18:08.48 | ChunkzZ | dvs, any idea how long? just curious. :) |
| 18:09.04 | neilthereildeil | but after i run "supervisorctl stop servicename:" it should be gone |
| 18:09.09 | dvs | ChunkzZ, a month or two? Not long. |
| 18:09.14 | ChunkzZ | Ubuntu's server is terribly slow on my old hardware dvs hence why I've moved to Debian. |
| 18:09.20 | annadane | stretch released june 2017 and release is roughly (not exactly) once every 2 years |
| 18:09.21 | greycat | the documentation told you that "supervisorctl stop servicename" would stop the ENTIRE supervisor and not the name service?! |
| 18:09.28 | jadax | ChunkzZ maybe your hardware is just slow |
| 18:09.30 | greycat | (why would you supply a service name?) |
| 18:09.33 | jelly | neilthereildeil: you think supervisord is itself a service under supervisord? |
| 18:09.41 | annadane | essentially when release critical bugs go to zero, though there are exceptions |
| 18:09.45 | ChunkzZ | jadax, nope, debian is fine with it. so is arch; ubuntu is like a snail. |
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| 18:10.03 | jadax | interesting, do you use Gnome/KDE? |
| 18:10.17 | ChunkzZ | nope, I was trying their server image. |
| 18:10.23 | neilthereildeil | jelly: no, that wouldnt make sense |
| 18:11.13 | neilthereildeil | jelly: wait im confused. are you asking me a question or was this rhetorical? it gets lost in text |
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| 18:11.36 | greycat | neilthereildeil: why did you think your command which includes a service name would kill the over-arching umbrella supervisord? |
| 18:11.56 | greycat | what does the documentation REALLY say about killing the main supervisor? |
| 18:12.04 | jelly | neilthereildeil: the command line you suggest looks as it is supposed to stop a service that supervisord is managing. not stop supervisord itself. |
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| 18:15.08 | jelly | ChunkzZ: you can test a buster installer, or install stretch (debian 9) and do a release upgrade to buster to test buster, or both. |
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| 18:16.54 | bla | It's second time that RC1 installer in virt-manager, after switching to tty2, "breaks" and I can't return to tty1. Hard to tell why. Maybe the keyboard layout is wrongly set for tty2 (worked in tty1?) |
| 18:18.25 | jelly | bla: does Alt + cursor Left/Right still work? |
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| 18:19.28 | jelly | (to switch VTs) |
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| 18:20.15 | bla | Hm. This time after few minutes, it started behaving ok, I managed to close the terminal and return to tty1 - the base install finished in the meantime. |
| 18:20.34 | bla | I haven't had chance to try alt+, but previously it hanged later so I'll check this. I've got console photo too. |
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| 18:22.58 | Sepultura | jelly: do you like to make Experiments? |
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| 18:25.08 | jelly | Sepultura: I'm not German, so no capitalized nouns for me, no |
| 18:25.25 | bla | http://temp.thera.be/rc1_console.jpg <- a lot more was clicked than is visible though. Rarely blocks were shown. block device was 100% busy and so the installer was laggy too. |
| 18:26.09 | jelly | bla: get a weekly build and try again, rc1 is like a month old now? |
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| 18:35.09 | bla | I started with daily, but there was kernel mismatch (modules not detected) |
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| 18:35.28 | bla | Probably should have gone with weekly... but well. Page suggests RC1. ;-) |
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| 18:37.14 | bla | Maybe it's caused by the dark-mode... |
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| 18:48.22 | x5a17ed | Hi, what do I need to put into my preseed.cfg so that the installer for debian 9 will set the keyboard layout to de with nodeadkezs in the new installation? It seems that d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select de only affects the installer itself |
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| 19:08.36 | LovellyEmma | i have sexy body,big Ass,Nice boobs, Clean WET pussy.See my all picture then knock me. I am sexy girl looking for crazy sex and love sucking dick. Watch me Live FREE: http://um.lk/V-Cams ⥠|
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| 19:09.45 | JohnDoe2 | so the target audience is debian users. interesting |
| 19:09.53 | greycat | No. They're hitting multiple channels. |
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| 19:18.31 | diogenes_ | i bet someone clicked on that link. |
| 19:18.51 | greycat | there's nothing we can do once it's been posted |
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| 19:32.09 | f0x | hm, is cryptsetup not included in the debian netinst? |
| 19:32.16 | f0x | can't seem to access it from the shell |
| 19:32.23 | rwp | nehemiah, I remember it now! Look at 'man interfaces' for use with ifupdown for "no-auto-down". That's the feature you are asking for. |
| 19:32.33 | diffy | maybe offtopic,but would an additional addon on torbrowser like darkreader would compromise security/anonimity of TB?zerothreat modell in my case using tor just for support |
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| 19:35.30 | rwp | nehemiah, Of course I don't know what network tool you are using but at least with ifupdown's no-auto-down option you know that it works with ifupdown and at least know the details of the feature you need. |
| 19:38.23 | ChunkzZ | right now I'm on Stretch, can I add (?) lines to my sources.list and upgrade to testing? there's an app I want but it's really old on stretch and it's new on buster. :( |
| 19:38.50 | greycat | dpkg stretch->buster |
| 19:38.50 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc (and please report additional problems). TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt- full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. Remember you're running a pre-release version of Debian. |
| 19:39.30 | dka_ | Hi, I have /bin/bash: line 110: envsubst: command not found |
| 19:39.35 | dka_ | within the Docker Debian image |
| 19:39.40 | dka_ | How can I install it ? |
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| 19:43.05 | nkuttler | dka_: same as outside of docker |
| 19:43.15 | dka_ | gettext-base? |
| 19:43.16 | annadane | ChunkzZ, but that also depends on whether you can run it on stable anyway and whether you feel it's really worth it to upgrade to testing |
| 19:43.18 | dka_ | isn't it default? |
| 19:43.32 | nkuttler | dka_: who knows how the docker images are built.. |
| 19:44.02 | nkuttler | btw, there is no "the" docker debian image, there are many |
| 19:44.12 | dka_ | what about debian:jessie ? |
| 19:44.31 | dka_ | or debian:stretch ? |
| 19:44.32 | nkuttler | jessie is pretty much obsolete |
| 19:44.40 | nkuttler | what about them? |
| 19:45.03 | dka_ | W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 19:45.08 | dka_ | How do I fix that ? |
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| 19:45.15 | nkuttler | don't use jessie |
| 19:45.42 | nkuttler | dka_: or see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 19:46.01 | nkuttler | if you must absolutely use jessie |
| 19:46.31 | koollman | dka_: stay in the past and use archive mirrors, or come back to present days with an upgrade to a more recent debian version |
| 19:46.56 | nkuttler | the reason i started my first docker container was to run an obsolete debian release ;) |
| 19:47.51 | nkuttler | well, at the time it was just oldstable i guess |
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| 19:49.47 | dka_ | Thanks |
| 19:49.51 | dka_ | I have added: RUN apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update |
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| 19:50.00 | dka_ | but still got : E: Release file for http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 77d 23h 19min 32s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 19:52.58 | And1am0 | need assistance with researching new techniques in the cyber security sector or a.k.a. Security Penetration Tester. |
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| 19:55.23 | RoyK | And1am0: start out with openvas and take it from there |
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| 19:57.37 | LtL | And1am0: you might try ##security ..over 1000 people there |
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| 19:58.30 | annadane | awesome, they started with that and not "hi i'm running kali how do i turn off the computer?" |
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| 19:59.04 | greycat | yes, it was polite of them to warn me to /ignore before I got invested in anything else they said |
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| 20:08.06 | wr | what do i install on debian if i want to use rdp? |
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| 20:10.39 | RoyK | xrdp? |
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| 20:13.34 | jhutchins_wk | wr: You can also use one of the VNC programs. |
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| 20:13.59 | jhutchins_wk | wr: I wouldn't recommend trying to use it over WAN though. |
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| 20:24.10 | grobi | hi guys is unoconv a pkg coming along with stretch? |
| 20:24.21 | greycat | ,v unoconv |
| 20:24.22 | judd | Package: unoconv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6-6; buster: 0.7-1.1; sid: 0.7-1.1; stretch: 0.7-1.1 |
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| 20:24.38 | greycat | not new in stretch, but yes it is in stretch |
| 20:24.39 | grobi | thank you |
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| 20:37.11 | ChunkzZ | trying to run this: openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf --daemon and I get: bash: openvpn: command not found - openvpn is installed??? |
| 20:37.40 | greycat | ,file bin/openvpn |
| 20:37.44 | judd | Search for bin/openvpn in stretch/amd64: openvpn: usr/sbin/openvpn |
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| 20:37.55 | wr | how can send magic packet on debian? |
| 20:37.58 | greycat | looks like it's in /usr/sbin/ which is perhaps not in your $PATH |
| 20:38.38 | ChunkzZ | greycat, bash: usr/sbin/openvpn: No such file or directory |
| 20:38.45 | greycat | you need the leading / |
| 20:39.13 | greycat | the bot doesn't show it because the bot is reading a list of relative pathnames from an archive, not showing actual paths on a live file system, I think |
| 20:39.53 | greycat | cf. the output of dpkg -L anypkg |
| 20:40.14 | greycat | oh, hm, those are absolute... must be some other tool that spits out these relative names |
| 20:41.02 | ChunkzZ | greycat, last question.. it says I'm connected but I have no Internet? |
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| 20:43.51 | ChunkzZ | yep no Internet |
| 20:43.53 | ChunkzZ | ugh |
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| 20:44.24 | OerHeks | oh, debian, not ubuntu, ChunkzZ ? |
| 20:44.31 | ChunkzZ | debian yeah |
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| 20:45.27 | jhutchins_wk | Check your gateway. |
| 20:45.33 | ChunkzZ | how? |
| 20:45.47 | OerHeks | check if there differences in the debian and ubuntu manual for ovpn |
| 20:45.54 | jhutchins_wk | ChunkzZ: How did you configure the connection? |
| 20:46.14 | ChunkzZ | jhutchins_wk, /usr/sbin/openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.ovpn |
| 20:47.55 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, your server is probably configured for local access only, not to forward the connection. |
| 20:48.16 | ChunkzZ | so how do I change that ? I'm not using network-manager... |
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| 20:48.54 | jhutchins_wk | ChunkzZ: Not having openvpn at hand to check the docs, I would suggest you start with the manpage and/or whatever guide you used to install it. |
| 20:49.34 | jhutchins_wk | ChunkzZ: Or just throw "openvpn no internet" at google. |
| 20:49.38 | somiaj | on debian /usr/share/doc/packagename also contains useful info |
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| 20:50.14 | agris | Is anyone selling non-X86 (preferably high end ARM64) replacement mainboards for older (pre 2010) IBM ThinkPad computers? |
| 20:50.40 | somiaj | You might find ##hardware a more appropriate place to ask such a question. |
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| 20:51.07 | somiaj | though that is quite specific, might not be that common of knowledge |
| 20:51.16 | somiaj | hence, start looking google. |
| 20:51.30 | greycat | or perhaps an ARM specialized channel |
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| 20:52.32 | neilthereildeil | can someone please help me run losetup from my supervisord.conf file? |
| 20:52.42 | greycat | ... |
| 20:52.47 | neilthereildeil | i added a section called [program:loopDevices] |
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| 20:53.04 | greycat | What version of Debian are you using, what init system are you using, and why did you add this python supervisor thing to it? |
| 20:53.12 | neilthereildeil | command = /sbin/losetup -f /home/VirtualMachines/Windows10/Windows10LVM.img |
| 20:53.58 | ChunkzZ | done, I had to edit the resolv.conf |
| 20:53.58 | neilthereildeil | Debian 9.9 |
| 20:54.00 | ChunkzZ | thanks. :) |
| 20:54.17 | neilthereildeil | i think debian always uses systemd, right? |
| 20:54.25 | greycat | Debian 8 and later use systemd by default. |
| 20:54.33 | neilthereildeil | im working with another project and they said to use supervisord |
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| 20:55.05 | greycat | then perhaps you should be asking them for help, since very few people here seem to know anything about supervisor |
| 20:55.09 | neilthereildeil | greycat: i was in here yesterday asking you about attaching a loop device via init scripts |
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| 20:55.27 | greycat | and we suggested you use systemd unit files instead because they are 10 times easier |
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| 20:55.38 | neilthereildeil | but i am trying to do it via this supervisord.conf |
| 20:55.44 | greycat | writing a sysv-rc script is HORRIBLE |
| 20:56.00 | neilthereildeil | this isnt a sysv-rc script through |
| 20:56.07 | greycat | good |
| 20:56.18 | neilthereildeil | supervisor is the service and it runs whatever you configure in the conf file |
| 20:56.26 | neilthereildeil | i have most of it working |
| 20:56.28 | greycat | yes, jelly and I guessed that much from the pkg description |
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| 20:57.24 | neilthereildeil | command = /sbin/losetup -f /home/VirtualMachines/Windows10/Windows10LVM.img |
| 20:57.30 | neilthereildeil | for some reason that line doesnt get run |
| 20:57.47 | neilthereildeil | do i need to add it to the programs= line too? |
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| 20:57.55 | greycat | nobody here knows supervisor. |
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| 20:57.59 | neilthereildeil | ah |
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| 21:00.48 | greycat | there's a #supervisor channel with 19 people |
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| 21:01.33 | jhutchins_wk | Possibly #python |
| 21:01.56 | greycat | It uses a monolithic .conf file?! Gack, why. |
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| 21:02.18 | greycat | Even sysv didn't make THAT mistake. |
| 21:03.40 | greycat | Anyway, I will once again repeat my earlier advice that you just write a systemd unit file for this thing. It would be a whole lot easier than introducing a whole new pseudo-init system that you don't already know and that nobody here knows either. |
| 21:04.07 | greycat | If you were on wheezy, or if you had prior experience with supervisor and were using it because you already knew it, that would be different.... |
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| 21:18.49 | mono | . |
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| 21:30.56 | ChunkzZ | how can I stop NetworkManager from overriding resolv.conf? dns=none doesn't work... |
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| 21:34.25 | mono | chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:34.40 | mono | maybe even |
| 21:34.45 | jmcnaught | ChunkzZ: check out the resolvconf package, it's for when multiple programs want to control resolv.conf |
| 21:34.45 | mono | chown |
| 21:35.02 | RoyK | chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:35.05 | jmcnaught | ChunkzZ: also NetworkManager can manage openvpn connections for you |
| 21:35.24 | RoyK | with the i attr, not even root can touch it |
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| 21:35.42 | ChunkzZ | jmcnaught, I don't have a gui, so no networkmanager. |
| 21:35.52 | RoyK | ChunkzZ: nwcli? |
| 21:35.57 | jmcnaught | ChunkzZ: nmcli and nmtui |
| 21:36.37 | RoyK | still, the quick-and-dirty way is chattr +i |
| 21:36.46 | jmcnaught | ChunkzZ: or disable NetworkManager entirely if you don't want to use it |
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| 21:40.35 | ChunkzZ | RoyK, I ran that command but now I've remove NM. can I undo it? |
| 21:42.42 | RoyK | chattr -i |
| 21:42.55 | ChunkzZ | yeah but it's still not working |
| 21:42.55 | ChunkzZ | ugh |
| 21:43.04 | ChunkzZ | nameserver 194.168.4.100 |
| 21:43.05 | ChunkzZ | nameserver 194.168.8.100 |
| 21:43.35 | RoyK | using good old /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:44.03 | ChunkzZ | yeah |
| 21:44.14 | RoyK | can you pastebinit, please? |
| 21:44.24 | ChunkzZ | how? |
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| 21:44.34 | RoyK | pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:45.53 | ChunkzZ | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 21:46.14 | ChunkzZ | sigh |
| 21:46.15 | ChunkzZ | brb |
| 21:46.21 | dvs | no paste? |
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| 21:47.42 | RoyK | ChunkzZ: apt-get update |
| 21:49.47 | Krennic | hmm |
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| 21:58.10 | maxcell_ | Hi, i can't install virtualbox-guest package on my Buster. It asking me to remove virtualbox in order to install the Guest package. |
| 21:58.23 | maxcell_ | How can i proceed |
| 21:58.26 | maxcell_ | ? |
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| 22:01.29 | deepesh | https://www.linuxbabe.com/desktop-linux/how-to-install-virtualbox-guest-additions-on-debian-step-by-step |
| 22:01.31 | somiaj | maxcell_: why do you think you need the virtualbox-guest package? |
| 22:01.40 | somiaj | ,i virtualbox-guest |
| 22:01.41 | judd | No package named 'virtualbox-guest' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 22:01.58 | somiaj | also where are you getting this virtualbox-guest package? |
| 22:02.01 | somiaj | ,v virtualbox-guest |
| 22:02.02 | judd | No package named 'virtualbox-guest' was found in amd64. |
| 22:02.08 | hypn0 | buster |
| 22:02.14 | somiaj | what is the actual package name? |
| 22:02.37 | maxcell_ | somiaj: i'm on buster bro |
| 22:02.45 | hypn0 | oh |
| 22:02.46 | somiaj | debian contains no package called virtualbox-guest |
| 22:02.46 | maxcell_ | this channel support buster now right? |
| 22:02.56 | RoyK | !testing |
| 22:02.56 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 22:03.23 | maxcell_ | sorry i read the topic and it says OFTC to unstable, but i'm on buster so i thought it was supported here as well |
| 22:03.28 | somiaj | buster is almost released, so questions can be asked either place, but I want to know the exact package you want to install. Debian doesn't have a package called 'virtualbox-guest' from as far as I can tell. |
| 22:04.04 | hypn0 | that was stretch? |
| 22:04.11 | maxcell_ | virtualbox-guest-additions-iso/testing,testing,now 6.0.4-1 all |
| 22:04.31 | somiaj | why do you want to install that iso? What is your goal, is this a host machine or a guest? |
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| 22:04.56 | somiaj | Also note virtualbox-guest-additions-iso is a different package, than virtualbox-guest, please use full package names, helps people double check things |
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| 22:05.20 | maxcell_ | what i wanna reach is simple, i want to install Android on Virtualbox on Debian. I want it to have guest additions to be able to use the hardware as i intended. |
| 22:06.19 | RoyK | qemu should work |
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| 22:06.53 | somiaj | that package should not be removing virtualbox, unless you have installed it from somewhere other than debian. |
| 22:07.11 | somiaj | Also unsure if the addons on the iso work on andriod guests or not. |
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| 22:07.46 | somiaj | maxcell_: paste the output of 'apt install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso' at paste.debian.net (so we can see the actual problem), also paste the output of 'apt policy' and 'apt policy pkg1 pkg2 ...' for any packges listed that could be causing problems. |
| 22:07.46 | maxcell_ | Debian repositories did not have any version of VirtualBox on available so, yeah, i add the repo from Oracle and i've installed VirtualBox. |
| 22:07.50 | somiaj | !bat |
| 22:07.50 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:08.21 | somiaj | Debian repos contain virtualbox, it is contrib. But that is your problem right there, you are trying to link debian packages with oracle packages, this is causing the problems. |
| 22:08.36 | somiaj | If using oracle's packages, you need to get support from oracle, as debian dosen't support the package. |
| 22:09.04 | maxcell_ | right, i didn't found any virtualbox on debian repos before, that's why i've installed oracle repo |
| 22:09.15 | somiaj | I just told you it is in debian, it is in contrib. |
| 22:09.17 | somiaj | !contrib |
| 22:09.17 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 22:09.17 | maxcell_ | i have contrib and non-free activated |
| 22:09.20 | somiaj | (not enabled by default) |
| 22:09.24 | somiaj | ,v virtualbox |
| 22:09.25 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.6-dfsg-1 |
| 22:09.38 | maxcell_ | i'm on buster |
| 22:09.38 | somiaj | Oh I see, yea get the package from sid |
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| 22:09.53 | maxcell_ | wait, i will remove oracle repos |
| 22:10.02 | dvs | ??? |
| 22:10.02 | somiaj | They are removing it from buster, becuse we cannot provide security support for virtualbox (due to oracle coprate policy) |
| 22:10.03 | maxcell_ | how can i get it from sid? |
| 22:10.09 | maxcell_ | i dont know how |
| 22:10.24 | somiaj | Once buster is released, virtualbox will be provided in buster-backports. |
| 22:10.28 | maxcell_ | got it somiaj |
| 22:10.41 | maxcell_ | how can i install it from sid? |
| 22:10.44 | somiaj | If the oracle packages are working just fine for you, you can keep using them. Just get the .iso from orcale, not from tha package in debian you are trying to install |
| 22:10.46 | RoyK | dpkg: tell maxcell_ about sid |
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| 22:11.01 | somiaj | basic, add sid repo to your sources.list (make sure you pin it low), and install virutal box from sid. |
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| 22:11.28 | RoyK | or just ask on the oftc channel - sid isn't popular in here |
| 22:11.35 | somiaj | you could just remove the sid repo after you do this. Though at this point I would be careful, since buster is about to release, you don't want to mix things. But if you want the debian package in buster, you'll have to get it from sid until after the release and it appears in backports. |
| 22:11.44 | maxcell_ | should i be using stretch package instead? |
| 22:12.01 | somiaj | I think using the oracle package is just fine, I would just reconsider wher eyou get that .iso from. |
| 22:12.17 | somiaj | You can just download that .iso from oracles site, put it on your machine, and tell your guests where to find it as a mount. |
| 22:12.26 | RoyK | just don't mix packages from different distro versions |
| 22:12.33 | RoyK | you'll just end up breaking things |
| 22:12.46 | somiaj | So nothing wrong with using oracles package, just don't mix them with debian packages, and realize support for those packages if from oracle. |
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| 22:13.34 | maxcell_ | ok |
| 22:13.50 | maxcell_ | i'll try to find that package from oracle but, when i search on apt it doesn't appears |
| 22:13.56 | maxcell_ | so i don't know if they have it |
| 22:14.15 | somiaj | just grab the .iso, you don't need a package to copy an .iso to your system. Most likely why oracle doesn't have a package for it. |
| 22:14.31 | somiaj | debian just packages the iso so it matches the version of virtualbox debian ships |
| 22:14.33 | maxcell_ | hmm |
| 22:14.44 | somiaj | I'm sure you can download the .iso from oracle. |
| 22:14.49 | maxcell_ | got it |
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| 22:16.12 | maxcell_ | tell your guest where to find it as a mount. You are saying i need to mount the .iso before? |
| 22:16.38 | maxcell_ | Then open vbox and tell guest where it is already mounted? |
| 22:16.39 | somiaj | when you configure the VM, you can select various hardware/mountpoints to add to it. |
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| 22:17.11 | somiaj | You will tell your vm to create a virtual cd image, and point it at the .iso, then the .iso will be provided to the guest as a piece of hardware (a cdrom with that cd in it) |
| 22:17.38 | maxcell_ | ohh got it |
| 22:17.40 | somiaj | the exact process in vbox for this I know not (I use qemu mostly because I don't like oracle's corprate policy around vbox) |
| 22:17.55 | somiaj | so the debian package just allows you to download that .iso, you would still have to do that anyways. |
| 22:18.05 | somiaj | (there are also other methods to get drivers for virtualbox into the guest) |
| 22:19.17 | maxcell_ | right |
| 22:20.06 | maxcell_ | that qemu have those drivers that can speak to your hardware in a better way? |
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| 22:23.15 | maxcell_ | because i need Android to be fast, specially on video side of things (nvidia) |
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| 22:24.21 | ChunkzZ | I reinstalled my system and made sure NetworkManager wasn't installed but it's still auto generating? |
| 22:24.50 | somiaj | qemu has a bunch of modules that should work with an andriod guest. I think because qemu is stock in the kernel, you don't need any additional guest addons for linux based oses |
| 22:24.53 | ChunkzZ | ameserver 194.168.4.100 |
| 22:24.55 | ChunkzZ | nameserver 194.168.8.100 |
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| 22:25.22 | somiaj | ChunkzZ: there are other ways your system can configure interfaces. Check /etc/network/interfaces (do you have anything in that file)? |
| 22:26.01 | ChunkzZ | yeah there's my etho etc in there |
| 22:26.06 | dvs | dhcp? |
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| 22:26.35 | ChunkzZ | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hd9byrCHsv/ |
| 22:26.37 | somiaj | if it configured via dhcp, it is your network assigining those addresses |
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| 22:26.52 | somiaj | yup, your network is assigining those via dhcp |
| 22:26.58 | ChunkzZ | omg |
| 22:27.01 | ChunkzZ | how do I change it? |
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| 22:27.34 | ChunkzZ | I edit; reboot and it goes back -.- |
| 22:27.46 | somiaj | what do you mean change it, what do you want it to do? |
| 22:28.00 | ChunkzZ | I want to change the nameserver so I can use a vpn |
| 22:28.12 | ChunkzZ | nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 22:28.12 | ChunkzZ | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 22:28.15 | ChunkzZ | to that |
| 22:28.35 | ChunkzZ | every time I edit, reboot; it's goes back |
| 22:29.01 | somiaj | might depend on your vpn, or how you have things setup. You have various options. 1) Configure dhclient to not set the nameserver or to use your vpn ones, 2) use the resolvconf (or openresolv) package to help manage this. |
| 22:29.07 | somiaj | there are more ways, but those are some options. |
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| 22:29.35 | maxcell_ | somiaj: thanks! |
| 22:29.43 | ChunkzZ | how? |
| 22:29.49 | maxcell_ | somiaj: i will try qemu |
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| 22:30.04 | maxcell_ | RoyK: thank you for the help too bro |
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| 22:31.26 | somiaj | maxcell_: I'm not quite sure what is the best way to emulate andriod, maybe ask around. I use qemu because I almost only emulate linux machines, and qemu to me is easy for linux (since it is all built into the kernel) |
| 22:31.47 | szy_mat | it looks like I have found a bug in xtightvncviewer (Debian Stretch) - when it fails to connect to a VNC server it sends something strange to Xorg and causes an Xorg I/O error, and something like a bug in i915 driver - when Xorg exits with an error the screen is hung until a new Xorg instance is started on the same VT |
| 22:31.49 | somiaj | ChunkzZ: pick one of those methods, if you pick one, man dhclient, or google, configure dhclient to set nameserver, if you use 2) install the package and read the docs. |
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| 22:32.26 | szy_mat | everything is on a fresh installed Debian Stretch, on Xen dom0 |
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| 22:33.11 | ChunkzZ | somiaj, I installed resolvconf and: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
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| 22:34.11 | somiaj | well yea, you now use resolv.conf to configure what writes to that file, read the docs on resolv.conf, it will tell you how to configure it. |
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| 22:34.15 | somiaj | I don't know off top of my head |
| 22:34.29 | jhutchins | ChunkzZ: So you have to follow the instructions on how to configure the system to use your settings instead. |
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| 22:34.48 | jhutchins | ChunkzZ: The file will be re-created on boot, configure the system to use your input. |
| 22:34.56 | jhutchins | !resolvconf |
| 22:34.56 | dpkg | from memory, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns> |
| 22:35.06 | somiaj | I think you can just add dns-nameserver options to your interfaces file for this |
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| 22:40.52 | maxcell_ | somiaj: i want to emulate android-x86 so, i think qemu will do it as any other linux distro? |
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| 22:42.01 | maxcell_ | i need to install qemu qemu-guest-agent and what more? |
| 22:42.12 | somiaj | maxcell_: that is my guess, since it is based off the linux kernel, it should have all the modules already. Though unsure what sort of stuff get stripped out of andriod kernels, hence andriod people may know better. |
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| 22:42.33 | somiaj | maxcell_: I would just install virtual-manager to have a gui (if you want one) to configure things, else yo uhave to manually do everything |
| 22:44.05 | maxcell_ | hmm i'm not seeing any virtual-manager on apt |
| 22:44.24 | maxcell_ | neighter qemu-virtual-manager or something |
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| 22:45.14 | maxcell_ | qemu-system-gui |
| 22:45.18 | maxcell_ | thats it? somiaj |
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| 22:47.16 | jmcnaught | maxcell_: maybe you're looking for virt-manager? |
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| 22:50.02 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught: hmm there it is |
| 22:50.13 | maxcell_ | jmcnaught: it's always easier than we expect |
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| 22:59.34 | zerocool | hi everyone, i have a strange question by google standards. with echo or printf how can i print the literal newline characters in one line? |
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| 23:00.12 | zerocool | oh wait no im using python, that would be a better place to look |
| 23:00.42 | rant | zerocool: echo -e |
| 23:00.52 | rant | zerocool: echo -e "\n" |
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| 23:03.42 | humpled | :þ |
| 23:04.11 | rant | pulls humpled's tongue |
| 23:04.36 | humpled | i don't know what they mean but i don't think they meant that |
| 23:04.56 | rant | idk, that prints a literal newline |
| 23:05.02 | rant | literally |
| 23:05.03 | rant | heh |
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| 23:06.57 | rant | if you mean a string literal.. you just do echo "\"\n\"" |
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| 23:07.23 | rant | or echo '"\n"' |
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| 23:07.58 | humpled | the question literally makes no sense |
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| 23:09.56 | maxcell_ | Hey, on QEMU there is "logic CPU's host" then -> actual alocation -> maximum alocation --- my processor is an i5 4 cores. What should i put on those in order to use maximum power all the time? |
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| 23:12.14 | maxcell_ | I can choose Manual Topology as well, and it asks me 3 questions. Sockets, Cores, and Threads. If i put 1, 4, 4 respectively the Actual Location changes to 16 minimum 64 maximum, that right?? |
| 23:12.41 | maxcell_ | I mean 16 maximum*** |
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| 23:13.30 | maxcell_ | and it gives a massage saying that too much alocation can cause performance issues |
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| 23:20.22 | hermande | For those still running Exim on Debian, here is a bit of config/perl script that can turn Exim into an MTA-STS compliant sender..... https://github.com/Bobberty/MTASTS-EXIM-PERL |
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| 23:22.36 | maxcell_ | Omg i'm on debian wiki right now and i'm not understanding a thing! |
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| 23:23.47 | maxcell_ | What is the right options i gotta use on Qemu in order to install Android-x86 and use the nouveau driver inside him? |
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| 23:27.26 | humpled | maxcell_ have you tried just using 1 socket 4 cores 1 thread? because i don't think i5s hyperthread |
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| 23:35.14 | maxcell_ | humpled: i5 is 1 thread for every cores |
| 23:35.26 | maxcell_ | 1 core 1 thread, 4 cores 4 threads |
| 23:35.42 | maxcell_ | should i put 1 instead of 4? |
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| 23:38.23 | rant | thats not true |
| 23:38.34 | rant | I have a core i5 in this machine, its dual core, and it has 4 threads |
| 23:39.23 | rant | maxcell_: http://paste.debian.net/1082266/ notice the threads per core and the ht flag |
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| 23:41.10 | humpled | so you would put 1 2 2 i guess |
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| 23:41.31 | maxcell_ | rant: your i5 is an laptop processor, i'm on a desktop |
| 23:41.38 | maxcell_ | intel.com i5 2500 |
| 23:41.45 | maxcell_ | 4 threads, 4 cores |
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| 23:42.09 | rant | yes well regardless to say the i5 is 1 thread per core is inaccurate.. YOUR i5 may be.. |
| 23:42.32 | maxcell_ | omg dude |
| 23:42.41 | maxcell_ | you serious? |
| 23:42.56 | humpled | âFor the PC target, the number of cores per socket, the number of threads per cores and the total number of sockets can be specified.â |
| 23:43.17 | maxcell_ | we are talking about my processor to make a config on Qemu, not every processor in the world |
| 23:43.50 | maxcell_ | the only i5 for desktop that is differente from the others is 8ª generation i5's |
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| 23:45.34 | humpled | well looking here https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/processors/core/i5-processors/i5-9600t.html |
| 23:46.25 | maxcell_ | yeah 8º gen or more, they are 6/6 cores, before that only 4/4 |
| 23:46.28 | humpled | there are plenty of different kinds now, rant is quite correct, i misspoke, nevertheless you don't have 16 or 64 threads |
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| 23:47.19 | maxcell_ | nice so we are set |
| 23:47.26 | maxcell_ | my i5 is 4/4 |
| 23:48.05 | maxcell_ | i won't discuss details about the mysterys of the world i only wanna config the qemu at this point |
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| 23:50.21 | maxcell_ | well, nevermind |
| 23:50.26 | maxcell_ | thanks anyways |
| 23:51.01 | maxcell_ | sorry i'm a little frustrated |
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| 23:51.29 | maxcell_ | not your fault rant |
| 23:52.09 | maxcell_ | you weren't trying to be an ass i gess |
| 23:52.15 | maxcell_ | just seems that way to me |
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| 23:54.29 | rant | I don't need to try.. I'm an ass.. heh |
| 23:54.48 | rant | but in this case, I was just trying to point out the flaws in your logic |
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