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| 00:08.24 | maxcell_ | rant: the logic i was trying to say was, i5 is already 4/4 or 6/6, you were only right about laptop's i5. the same wont apply to desktop processors |
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| 00:08.37 | maxcell_ | already = always |
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| 00:12.34 | rant | again, your logic is severly flawed |
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| 00:15.28 | rant | it'd be more accurate to say that all dual-core Core i support HT (2 threads per core) |
| 00:15.55 | rant | the lack of HT is exclusive not to i5, but to QUAD CORE i5 .. and only the older gen ones |
| 00:16.02 | maxcell_ | rant there is no Dual core i5 for desktop |
| 00:16.07 | maxcell_ | only 4 or 6 |
| 00:16.39 | maxcell_ | every core has only one thread, in all versions of i5 for desktops |
| 00:17.34 | maxcell_ | no, there is not a version of i5 for desktops that supports HT, even the last ones, 8º and 9º gen are all 6/6 |
| 00:17.37 | maxcell_ | afaik |
| 00:18.15 | maxcell_ | if you find an i5 with HT tell me, i may buy it someday |
| 00:18.42 | rant | Intel Core i5-7400 |
| 00:18.48 | rant | just to name one of many |
| 00:18.52 | rant | https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97147/intel-core-i5-7400-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-50-ghz.html |
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| 00:19.09 | bindi | 4c/4t |
| 00:19.17 | maxcell_ | 4/4 too rant |
| 00:19.19 | maxcell_ | not HT |
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| 00:19.38 | maxcell_ | bro, your good no doubt but you are wrong about that |
| 00:19.45 | maxcell_ | just stop |
| 00:19.49 | maxcell_ | please |
| 00:20.03 | maxcell_ | it doesn't make sense at this point anymore |
| 00:20.16 | maxcell_ | we are altering laws of physics with this talk |
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| 00:20.29 | maxcell_ | just forget about it |
| 00:20.31 | mplsjoker | I was just installing from a USB and Debian |
| 00:20.32 | rant | heh |
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| 00:20.52 | mplsjoker | said that there were exsiting OSs installed using bios compatability mode |
| 00:21.10 | mplsjoker | but I have never installed anything in bios comp mode |
| 00:21.51 | rant | sorry to hear that |
| 00:22.13 | rant | I install EVERYTHING (Debian is all I install) in bios compatibility mode :P |
| 00:22.23 | rant | since we're sharing |
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| 00:24.02 | rant | chances are this is a result of an os-prober looking at the ESP and then the partition table, and finding something bootable thats not in the ESP |
| 00:24.10 | rant | a recovery partition perhaps |
| 00:24.35 | rant | maybe even the install media itself for all I know |
| 00:25.31 | rant | regardless there is no question in there I can see |
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| 00:56.15 | tom_work | Is it possible to use a concatnated zone file with bind9 in Debian? |
| 00:56.54 | tom_work | instead of putting every single zone in it's own file, and having 5 lines in the config for bind |
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| 01:11.56 | xormor_GNU | so how many of you have moved on to buster? |
| 01:12.06 | xormor_GNU | when will it be "stable"? |
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| 01:24.17 | tom_work | Is it possible to use a concatnated zone file with bind9 in Debian? |
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| 01:24.20 | tom_work | instead of putting every single zone in it's own file, and having 5 lines in the config for bind |
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| 01:40.58 | tom_work | Is it possible to use a concatnated zone file with bind9 in Debian? |
| 01:40.59 | tom_work | instead of putting every single zone in it's own file, and having 5 lines in the config for bind |
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| 01:46.20 | themill | tom_work: Sort of. https://serverfault.com/questions/664779/different-domain-names-within-one-zone-file-bind9-dns |
| 01:46.59 | themill | (I know that bind is a relic but I'm not sure why you'd want to go back in time to the most hideous ways of configuring it possible) |
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| 01:48.34 | tom_work | themill, because as soon as i;ve enabled AXFR and transfered the zones to linode, i'm going to delete the server |
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| 01:50.39 | tom_work | the old provider refused to enable AXFR for the zones and instead provided a file which seems to be ~600 zones concated into 1 file |
| 01:50.52 | tom_work | I'm not sure what i'm supposed to do with this |
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| 01:53.27 | m0rd3cai | does anyone know what these errors usually mean or are referring to? |
| 01:53.29 | m0rd3cai | May 31 11:07:51 raptor-host kern.warn kernel: dhd_prot_ioctl: status ret value is -23 |
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| 01:56.59 | tom_work | it keeps complaining there's not an SOA record at the top of the file |
| 01:57.01 | tom_work | but there is |
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| 01:58.53 | tom_work | example.com. 3600 IN SOA ns.example.com. hostmaster.example.com. (bunchofnumbers) |
| 02:00.39 | tom_work | i don't know why it's not taking it |
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| 02:01.52 | tom_work | SOA record not at top of zone |
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| 02:52.24 | metreo | I'm trying to install a older version of `ghc` using `apt` is this possible? |
| 02:52.54 | metreo | sudo apt install ghc=8.0.2 |
| 02:52.54 | metreo | E: Version '8.0.2' for 'ghc' was not found |
| 02:53.12 | metreo | So not found = not existing |
| 02:53.26 | dvs | ,v ghc |
| 02:53.27 | judd | Package: ghc on amd64 -- jessie: 7.6.3-21; stretch: 8.0.1-17+b1; buster: 8.4.4+dfsg1-2; sid: 8.4.4+dfsg1-2; experimental: 8.6.4+dfsg1-1 |
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| 02:54.11 | metreo | I'm on sid currently. So I need to add the source for stretch? |
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| 02:55.49 | metreo | What about installing and using multiple versions simultaneously? |
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| 02:57.52 | dvs | That's a no-no |
| 02:57.56 | dvs | !frankendebian |
| 02:57.57 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 02:58.43 | metreo | I was worried that might be the case. Opam handles this nicely, Haskell is seemingly bifurcated due to versioning headaches. |
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| 03:01.02 | metreo | Nothing wrong with Debian of course :-[ |
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| 04:09.13 | bigMouthCommie | fairly fresh install of v9.8, i tried xfce but i'm not happy with all my cofigs. i want to switch back to gnome, but i know that i allowed xfce to switch me to lightdm. |
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| 04:21.26 | annadane | gnome should already allow you to without dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 05:54.30 | TomyWork | i tried to install a package but there were conflicts. now it's in state "in", according to dpkg -l, implying that i desire to install it, but that it's not installed. How do i get that thing out of the system? |
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| 05:55.20 | TomyWork | dpkg --purge only got it to "unknown |
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| 05:56.04 | TomyWork | wat |
| 05:56.35 | TomyWork | actually nm, i just realized this is an ubuntu, not a debian |
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| 07:16.35 | lupulo | hi |
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| 07:25.08 | dreamer | eh, what? |
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| 07:32.10 | rkd | I'm hitting a 'cycle found while processing triggers' error (https://pastebin.com/g4tJefXU) when trying to upgrade some custom packages. I suspect I've misunderstood the trigger docs but can't quite tell how. |
| 07:32.55 | rkd | package-A has a package-A.triggers file saying "interest package-C" and "interest package-D", and package-C has a package-C.triggers file saying "activate package-C". (This is because if package-C is installed or upgraded, I want to reconfigure package-A to start using it). package-B has a package-B.triggers file saying "interest package-B". (I want to restart package-B if any of twenty other packages are installed, as they |
| 07:32.55 | rkd | put config files for it into place, so they have 'activate package-B'). |
| 07:33.22 | rkd | Does any of that sound like an invalid use of triggers? |
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| 07:48.42 | maxcell_ | hi, i recently found out Anbox, it is an Android emulator that uses a container to run Android apps. It needs 2 modules for the kernel tho, ashmem and binder. Can i install those on Debian? |
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| 07:50.23 | Fox | maxcell_: you don't have these on stretch stock kernel, you'll have to use backports kernel |
| 07:50.37 | maxcell_ | i'm on buster actually Fox |
| 07:50.54 | at0m | maxcell_: it's been a while, but i did run anbox on buster |
| 07:51.00 | Fox | I don't know about buster kernel, sorry, this channel is for stable :) |
| 07:51.04 | maxcell_ | help me guys |
| 07:51.06 | Fox | !debian-next |
| 07:51.06 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:51.13 | at0m | Fox: /topic has recently changed |
| 07:51.14 | petn-randall | Support for buster is fine in here. |
| 07:51.18 | at0m | ^ |
| 07:51.22 | Fox | oh, did see that, thx at0m |
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| 07:51.27 | Fox | didn't |
| 07:51.30 | maxcell_ | Fox: they said earlier to me that buster is almost stable so the channel is supporting |
| 07:51.34 | petn-randall | maxcell_: Both modules are in the buster kernel. |
| 07:52.03 | petn-randall | Yes, the opers agreed on that we'll also support buster in here. |
| 07:52.05 | at0m | maxcell_: so, it sounds like you're all set for anbox :) |
| 07:52.23 | maxcell_ | ok so, no need to install anything else? |
| 07:52.32 | maxcell_ | just lxc and anbox? |
| 07:52.36 | at0m | petn-randall: technically speaking, opers are admins on the irc /server/ |
| 07:52.47 | at0m | admins are channel operators |
| 07:53.40 | maxcell_ | at0m: do i need to run Anbox through LXC? |
| 07:53.41 | petn-randall | maxcell_: anbox is also part of buster. So I'd say just install it and then try it and see. |
| 07:53.50 | petn-randall | at0m: oh, right. |
| 07:53.54 | jelly | ,v anbox |
| 07:53.55 | judd | Package: anbox on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 0.0~git20181014-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1; sid/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1 |
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| 07:54.02 | maxcell_ | petn-randall: really? it will run using the hardware and all? |
| 07:54.06 | at0m | maxcell_: yea no need for lxc, afaik |
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| 07:54.12 | maxcell_ | wow |
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| 07:54.43 | petn-randall | maxcell_: Try it and see. |
| 07:54.45 | jelly | it's packaged, but that does not always mean it runs (well) |
| 07:54.50 | maxcell_ | i literally being all day trying to install android-x86 on a virtualbox/qemu without luck regarding performance |
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| 07:55.34 | maxcell_ | let's try it out |
| 07:55.37 | maxcell_ | :) |
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| 07:56.22 | jelly | maxcell_: apt-cache show anbox shows a Description with a pointer where to find more docs |
| 07:57.19 | maxcell_ | jelly: i was reading their website, it says you only need ashmem and binder modules DKMS for kernel and install Anbox through Snap |
| 07:58.29 | maxcell_ | i was trying to find a way to install those modules, are we sure we have it already out-of-the-box? |
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| 08:03.11 | petn-randall | maxcell_: If in doubt, look for yourself. |
| 08:03.38 | petn-randall | maxcell_: `modinfo <kernelmodulename>` will give you info about it, if it exists. |
| 08:03.38 | maxcell_ | petn-randall: i can't, but thanks anyway |
| 08:03.41 | maxcell_ | thats ok |
| 08:03.51 | maxcell_ | hmm |
| 08:03.52 | maxcell_ | ok |
| 08:03.54 | petn-randall | maxcell_: Why can't you? |
| 08:03.57 | at0m | hmm modinfo: ERROR: Module binder not found, same for ashmem. |
| 08:04.02 | at0m | but apt show android-androresolvd |
| 08:04.04 | maxcell_ | petn-randall: don't know how |
| 08:04.05 | at0m | that has them |
| 08:04.22 | petn-randall | maxcell_: I just gave you the literal command. |
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| 08:04.35 | maxcell_ | petn-randall: module ashmem or binder not found |
| 08:04.41 | petn-randall | They're called ashmem_linux and binder_linux. |
| 08:04.42 | at0m | maxcell_: apt show android-androresolvd |
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| 08:05.07 | at0m | petn-randall: oh, right! |
| 08:05.24 | at0m | the appended _linux does it |
| 08:05.34 | maxcell_ | at0m: i saw this before, i think it's ashmem |
| 08:06.10 | maxcell_ | petn-randall: it says in-tree |
| 08:06.31 | lupulo | at0m, compile the kernel or search the module and compile it |
| 08:06.32 | maxcell_ | if it's in-tree it's already loaded? |
| 08:06.42 | at0m | maxcell_: /sbin/modinfo binder_linux ; /sbin/modinfo ashmem_linux |
| 08:06.45 | lupulo | at0m, plus you need headers |
| 08:06.59 | at0m | lupulo: no need. this is stock 4.19.0-4-amd64 |
| 08:07.26 | at0m | lupulo: it's maxcell_ that's looking for support, not me. |
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| 08:08.13 | at0m | but afaik they're in stock buster kernel, so no need to compile or get headers |
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| 08:09.54 | maxcell_ | so, as it is built-in no need to load the module, it is already working, right? |
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| 08:11.35 | at0m | maxcell_: i would guess so. just apt install anbox (and its depends that it pulls in, if any aren't installed already) |
| 08:13.15 | maxcell_ | ok, sorry for many questions |
| 08:14.01 | at0m | maxcell_: no worries :) |
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| 08:26.24 | petn-randall | maxcell_: Both kernel modules are shipped with the standard kernel from buster. As I said, you can verify this yourself with the commands I gave you. There's no need to ask thrice. |
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| 08:27.17 | petn-randall | maxcell_: modinfo only tells you about the module. You'd use `modprobe` to load it, but I'm guessing that anbox already does the job automatically. |
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| 09:03.29 | lupulo | why? qemu-arm -L /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/ -> ./main -> Profiling timer expired |
| 09:03.41 | lupulo | why? qemu-arm -L /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/ ./main -> Profiling timer expired |
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| 09:15.18 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 09:15.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:15.37 | petn-randall | lupulo: See above. What are you trying to do? |
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| 09:44.29 | uio | Hi. I'm using LXDE and xfce4-power-manager. I can't get the manager to manage. Just an example : it won't display a message at 15% battery left. Another: it won't suspend the laptop after a certain period of inactivity. How can I fix this? Are there other tools that would work better with LXDE? |
| 09:45.07 | zamuro | LXDE has its own power manager. |
| 09:45.53 | uio | zamuro, Ah. That could suspend, and give notifs? |
| 09:46.37 | uio | zamuro, I can't find anything about it... I don't think there is one. |
| 09:46.46 | zamuro | It notifies, indeed. As per suspending, most likely. |
| 09:47.02 | uio | zamuro, Would you have the exact name of the package? |
| 09:47.27 | zamuro | It's like an panel applet. I've got an Lubuntu installed on an old laptop and it has power manager. |
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| 09:48.01 | uio | zamuro, Ah - maybe there is something for Lubuntu, but I'm on Debian. |
| 09:48.30 | zamuro | Never used LXDE on debian TBH. On arch and ubuntu. |
| 09:48.33 | mrig | Hello, is there a password to return back into a live usb session, after the screen locks? |
| 09:48.39 | uio | zamuro, I also have it working on Lubuntu (perhaps another example of how Debian is not user-friendly...) but can't get it to work on Debian. |
| 09:48.49 | uio | *can't find it on Debian. |
| 09:48.53 | mrig | I am using debian 9.9 gnome, live cd |
| 09:49.37 | uio | mrig, Not sure, maybe just root? |
| 09:49.52 | uio | mrig, or guest? |
| 09:49.52 | zamuro | uio Have you tried running xfce4-power-manager-settings? |
| 09:50.05 | uio | zamuro, Yep, I am right now. |
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| 09:50.18 | mrig | uio I will try that, thank you, I think the lock on sleep is turned off now, but just in case. |
| 09:50.22 | uio | zamuro, Have been for months now, but can't get it to work properly. |
| 09:50.24 | zamuro | To no avail, I presume. |
| 09:50.49 | zamuro | I see. Sorry for not being of much help. |
| 09:51.05 | mrig | I am stuck and can no longer install debian after using it for a couple of years, no idea why :( |
| 09:51.25 | uio | zamuro, No worries. It is odd: on Lubuntu it works great, but not on Debian. Alas. |
| 09:51.27 | Gasoline | why can't you install it? |
| 09:52.46 | mrig | Gasoline, I thought that it might be a UEFI issue, but that appears to be working okay, the UEFI graphical install is workink, it just fails at the install system step, with no further details. |
| 09:53.16 | Gasoline | I was having a problem with it picking up my cd drive |
| 09:53.29 | Gasoline | came across an article that helped me finally |
| 09:53.39 | uio | Would it be possible to use the Lubuntu power-management on Debian? |
| 09:53.41 | Gasoline | just had to unplug the usb for a few seconds |
| 09:54.02 | mrig | ah, I dont have a cd drive but have moved the cd usb to a different location in the listing. |
| 09:54.19 | mrig | that is after that it started to refuse to install though. |
| 09:54.51 | mrig | I am beginning to really suspect foul play. It is as if it just hits something that stops it. |
| 09:55.06 | uio | Apparently Lubuntu uses xfce4-power-manager... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup |
| 09:55.11 | mrig | Gasoline do you remember the link? |
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| 09:55.41 | Gasoline | I'm looking for it now |
| 09:55.57 | mrig | Thank you very much. |
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| 09:58.36 | Gasoline | I can't find it atm but I'll keep looking |
| 09:59.05 | Gasoline | but if I remember right what I did was unplug the usb when it stalled and waited 30 seconds |
| 09:59.19 | Gasoline | plug it back in and hit enter |
| 09:59.25 | Gasoline | or try that step again |
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| 10:02.33 | Gasoline | I really shoulda saved that link cause I'm sure I'll need it again someday |
| 10:02.52 | mrig | Gasoline, thank you for the tip, I have had a similar comment in linux, will go and try this now. |
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| 10:03.14 | lupulo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.18 | lupulo | why? |
| 10:03.23 | mrig | they did not mention unplugging though so this is grat to have extra options. |
| 10:03.37 | mrig | great |
| 10:03.42 | Gasoline | I found a similar post about kali linux |
| 10:03.48 | Gasoline | https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/forum/fix-failed-detect-and-mount-cd-rom-problem-when-installing-kali-linux-0177158/ |
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| 10:04.03 | Gasoline | not the same one I used but looks like the same deal |
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| 10:04.31 | sorokinvic | Hi! Is there a way to revert Thunar theme in Buster to the Stretch one (striped rows and dotted lines btwn columns) ? |
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| 10:49.52 | Nong | apt update && apt upgrade && -yes |
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| 11:09.23 | m1dnight_ | I have a noobie question. I installed a fresh install of stretch, and want to install texlive-full, but that depends on asymptote. That package doesn't want to install because it needs libosmesa6 (>= 10.2~) , which needs libglapi-mesa (= 13.0.6-1+b2), but it says "but 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1 is to be installed" |
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| 11:13.11 | jelly | m1dnight_: you have some packages installed from stretch-backports already, and apt-get does not know how to gracefully deal with that. Use aptitude instead, or add -t stretch-backports to the command line but the latter might install more stuff from backports than is strictly needed |
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| 11:13.50 | m1dnight_ | aha |
| 11:13.58 | m1dnight_ | Yeah, I needed to install the nvidia-driver from backports |
| 11:15.12 | m1dnight_ | ill give it a shot, thanks jelly |
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| 11:30.44 | mrig | Hello, well unplugging the usb ans reinserting did not seem to help. Still no install. |
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| 12:26.08 | Guestss1 | hi , register for free on https://www.pokerstrategy.com/#uHQOLZ and get 50$ free money and decent poker education! |
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| 12:44.29 | BCMM | i'm kind of impressed that it's possible to so bad at spamming that you kick yourself before you can get klined |
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| 12:50.09 | JolietJakeBlues | are there other reasons for spamming than annoying people and/or economic profit? |
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| 12:56.40 | m1dnight_ | Relieving some form of frustration? |
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| 13:14.19 | debuser | hello, what create the .cache directory ? |
| 13:15.04 | greycat | the first thing that needs to create it |
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| 13:16.01 | greycat | if you need it, then that thing is you |
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| 13:17.18 | debuser | the issue i have, something create a .cache directory directly in / |
| 13:17.36 | greycat | was HOME set incorrectly at the time? |
| 13:17.48 | debuser | yes |
| 13:17.58 | debuser | how i can trace the issue? |
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| 13:18.32 | petn-randall | debuser: You can probably run fsnotify on /. However, I'd wonder what you're running as root in the first place. |
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| 13:19.47 | debuser | i don't know yet the condition for it's creation |
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| 13:21.08 | greycat | if you're asking "over the history of my computer's existence, what are all the events that could have led to this directory being created", we can't possibly tell you. |
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| 13:21.22 | greycat | if you don't want it here, delete it and get on with your life |
| 13:21.33 | wwilliam | hello i did this usermod -a -G wireshark wwilliam but when i log in as wwilliam and do id he is not part of the wireshark group, do i need to do anything else? |
| 13:21.36 | wwilliam | Thank you. |
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| 13:22.25 | dvs | wwilliam, adduser wireshark wwilliam |
| 13:22.34 | greycat | if you want to add a user to an existing group in Debian and you aren't comfortable just editing the /etc/group file by hand, the correct command is "adduser username groupname" |
| 13:22.40 | greycat | dvs: other way around |
| 13:22.48 | dvs | yup, just got that |
| 13:22.50 | wwilliam | Thanks greycat |
| 13:22.59 | dvs | hmp |
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| 13:23.30 | wwilliam | the user already exists also. |
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| 13:23.40 | greycat | Yes, I meant to imply that. |
| 13:23.53 | greycat | The man page for adduser has better formal language than I felt like typing out. |
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| 13:28.56 | debuser | greycat, i'll do more debugging tonight (i think the directory get created at each boot) |
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| 13:30.37 | greycat | OK, then you can start by looking through all of the stuff that YOU (or your fellow sys admins) added at boot time. Any customized local stuff, init.d script, systemd unit files, crontabs, rc.local and so on. |
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| 13:34.49 | debuser | will try the fsnotify thing |
| 13:35.57 | greycat | You have so many local boot things that you don't feel you can possibly review them all?! |
| 13:36.16 | greycat | You think it'll be easier to hack something *more* into the boot sequence? |
| 13:36.35 | tmroland | tried to apt install steam bt no go. no candidate found for package steam |
| 13:36.41 | tmroland | followed wiki instructions |
| 13:36.42 | greycat | !steam |
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| 13:36.42 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 13:37.21 | tmroland | E: Unable to locate package steam:i386 |
| 13:37.27 | tmroland | did that already |
| 13:37.58 | milkt | !nonfree |
| 13:37.58 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
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| 13:38.16 | greycat | either you didn't enable multiarch correctly, or you didn't add non-free correctly, or both |
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| 13:41.36 | tmroland | root@localhost:/home/tmroland# dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 13:41.42 | tmroland | thats ok i suppose |
| 13:42.20 | woenx | I have a question regarding ssh public and private keys. Let's say I give my public key to a server, so I can access it without a password (e.g. to run some script or check some stat) |
| 13:42.21 | greycat | setting your hostname to localhost is probably going to break something, sometime, but I don't know what |
| 13:42.38 | woenx | then, if my computer was hacked, the server would be at risk too, no? |
| 13:42.54 | greycat | woenx: if your private key has a passphrase (which it should) then the attacker would need that passphrase as well as your private key fikle |
| 13:43.12 | woenx | greycat: no, it doesn't |
| 13:43.15 | greycat | if your private key does not have a passphrase, then you're correct |
| 13:43.22 | woenx | ok, that's what I thought |
| 13:43.30 | tmroland | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib <- looks good? |
| 13:43.51 | woenx | greycat: but if I used a passphrase, I couldn't program (via cron) scripts to be run in another machine, right? |
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| 13:43.58 | woenx | (i mean remotely) |
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| 13:44.54 | BCMM | woenx: you can't have automated remote access without storing sufficient credentials to enable that remote access... |
| 13:45.12 | BCMM | (but you could maybe edit the crontab on the remote server) |
| 13:45.35 | greycat | tmroland: a sid user shouldn't have to ask these things. Seriously. |
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| 13:46.11 | woenx | basically, I have a scheduled weekly backup that connects to another remote device and performs the backup (via rsync) offsite. For that, I use passwordless ssh keys so it can be automated |
| 13:46.33 | tmroland | greycat no one should need to ask anything if documentation and instructions would work properly, which they don't , obviously. there is no error in that file or in what i did. yet the package still doesn't work. |
| 13:46.38 | woenx | but the thing is... if anyone has access to my computer (well, it's my NAS), then that person would also have access to my backup device, no? |
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| 13:47.00 | greycat | tmroland: *plonk* |
| 13:47.11 | milkt | ,v steam |
| 13:47.12 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 13:47.42 | BCMM | tmroland: try #debian-next on oftc maybe |
| 13:47.43 | tmroland | yes, no package, same error here |
| 13:47.55 | tmroland | i installed steam before doing the same im doing now |
| 13:48.22 | greycat | It's funny how the documentation and instructions worked for everyone except him. |
| 13:48.43 | BCMM | greycat: come on, saying "you should already know the answer" on IRC is just plain unhelpful |
| 13:48.49 | greycat | He's using sid. |
| 13:48.58 | greycat | He should be able to edit a sources.list file without hand-holding. |
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| 13:49.40 | BCMM | tmroland: you've definitely done `apt update` since enabling non-free, right? |
| 13:50.15 | tmroland | greycat i see you are very late in reading, analyzing and processing information provided. |
| 13:50.29 | tmroland | i already did everything exactly according to instructions and it doesn't work , that's why i'm here |
| 13:50.45 | tmroland | assuming that the problem is a very basic one and it's my fault for having it is not the purpose of a help channel |
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| 13:51.05 | tmroland | BCMM ofcourse |
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| 13:51.28 | woenx | greycat: what' the benefit of using passphrased SSH keys intead of passwords? |
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| 13:52.30 | greycat | For starters, someone trying to falsify themselves as you needs both the key file AND the passphrase, not just the password. So it's two-factor authentication, which is one thing. |
| 13:52.54 | Fox | tmroland: sid is unstable, it's for advanced users that don't need explanations about the problem you're having |
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| 13:53.12 | BCMM | woenx: 1. now an attacker needs two pieces of information, which are stored separately, to take over the remote computer. 2. the key is effectively impossible to bruteforce, unlike any passphrase that isn't horribly cumbersome |
| 13:53.26 | woenx | greycat: BCMM: Ok, now I get it. |
| 13:53.32 | milkt | tmroland: try different mirror maybe? |
| 13:54.47 | BCMM | tmroland: did you get any errors when trying to add i386? |
| 13:54.53 | BCMM | tmroland: and can you see any other i386 packages? |
| 13:54.57 | tmroland | none |
| 13:55.08 | greycat | Another thing: scripting stuff is immensely easier with passphrased keys, because you just use an ssh-agent and type the passphrase once, and the key is then available for scripts/programs to login securely from your session. You don't have to write some awful hack in expect(1) to feed the password to the server every time. |
| 13:55.13 | tmroland | only tried adding steam |
| 13:55.44 | karlpinc | woenx: (There's a whole slew of advantages to using keys. The remote end can disable password logins....) |
| 13:56.01 | woenx | karlpinc: that's true too |
| 13:56.25 | karlpinc | woenx: command= in authorized_keys is probably my favorite. |
| 13:56.38 | woenx | I was reading about that right now |
| 13:57.04 | woenx | So I could tell the remote machine to just accept some commands (like rsync) from my nas, right? |
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| 13:58.24 | karlpinc | woenx: Well, command= forces the running of a command. So you could run the daemon end of rsync listening on stdin, for instance, to have a key that only rsyncs. (I've done this but I forget how. It might involve "." in the rsync command line.) |
| 13:58.53 | woenx | Ok. I'll have to check it out |
| 13:59.08 | woenx | so by having passwordless ssh keys, the weakest link in the chain is always my computer |
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| 13:59.14 | karlpinc | woenx: rsync --server --daemon . (perhaps) |
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| 13:59.49 | karlpinc | woenx: Yes. Depending. (Sometimes I do rsync pulls instead of pushes, so the connection is initiated the other way around.) |
| 13:59.58 | woenx | aha |
| 14:00.58 | woenx | what about using sshfs through ssh keys? (e.g. to mount a remote NAS in my computer automatically). The whole NAS would be vulnerable if something happens to my computer, right? |
| 14:01.55 | BCMM | woenx: that depends on the capabilities that your user on the remote NAS has |
| 14:02.15 | BCMM | again, an attacker taking over your computer will have exactly the same access to remote machines that your computer has now |
| 14:02.33 | woenx | BCMM: well, it would only be limited by the user permissions in the remote machine |
| 14:02.35 | woenx | Ok |
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| 14:03.05 | BCMM | woenx: you can configure your remote user so it can't have a shell (sftp only), and you can use file and directory permissions to restrict which files and directories it can access |
| 14:03.16 | woenx | aha, ok |
| 14:03.24 | karlpinc | I have a tendency to do things as root with rsync. On the side being copied I often need root permission to read everything. And on the receiving side I often want to keep uid and gid exactly as it is in the original. There's probably something I could do instead, but haven't paid attention. |
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| 14:03.29 | BCMM | but there's nothing magic about ssh keys - it's just an authentication method. |
| 14:03.30 | greycat | (sshfs uses sftp) |
| 14:03.55 | woenx | is it possible to check which hosts have access to a specific machine? |
| 14:03.57 | greycat | karlpinc: I do that too. |
| 14:04.19 | woenx | karlpinc: yes, same as me. I use root for rsync, and preserve the uid and gid |
| 14:04.22 | greycat | access should not be based on "hosts" for most protocols. NFS is an exception, because it's old. |
| 14:05.08 | woenx | greycat: well, yes, I meant in that specific case. NFS does not work in remote connections (unless you use a VPN or similar) |
| 14:05.45 | greycat | What specific case are you talking about, and why are "hosts" involved in the decision? |
| 14:06.21 | woenx | doing a backup to a remote location |
| 14:06.26 | BCMM | woenx: you can restrict which IPs can connect in sshd_config. but there's no way for the server to know who has a copy of the key, if that's what you mean |
| 14:06.34 | woenx | ok, that's what I meant |
| 14:06.42 | BCMM | woenx: the private key really is just a file, that can be readily shared out-of-band if you want to |
| 14:06.47 | bashes5 | Anyone have good resources for deploying zfs on a debian home server? |
| 14:07.06 | woenx | BCMM: so what if I suspect a private key has been compromised? what should I do? |
| 14:07.22 | woenx | is there any way to revoke access to all previous ssh keys? |
| 14:07.24 | BCMM | woenx: you should remove the corresponding public key from authorized_keys |
| 14:07.46 | BCMM | woenx: and then generate a new one, once you've worked out how to stop that one getting leaked too |
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| 14:08.09 | greycat | authorized_keys is just a text file. you can delete keys (lines) from it at will. |
| 14:08.10 | woenx | BCMM: ok |
| 14:08.20 | BCMM | woenx: ssh keys are generated in pairs, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography for an overview |
| 14:08.25 | woenx | so just removing them from .ssh/authoorized_keys |
| 14:08.25 | karlpinc | bashes5: I think if you enable contrib, or non-free, you can just install the zfs package. You might want to install a minimal debian to do that, and then migrate. Or do it running a live boot, etc. etc. |
| 14:08.49 | BCMM | woenx: yup. authorized_keys is just a serious of public keys with line-breaks in between |
| 14:09.02 | woenx | ok |
| 14:09.03 | BCMM | woenx: any private key that matches a public key in authorized_keys can be used to log in |
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| 14:09.28 | karlpinc | bashes: That's just a thought. I've not tried it. |
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| 14:10.33 | karlpinc | bashes: (IIRC, the trouble with zfs is that it's non-free. The licence requires that the end-user compile it. So that's what the package does.) |
| 14:10.48 | BCMM | karlpinc: it's not non-free as such. just not gpl-compatible |
| 14:11.17 | bashes | What file systems do you use for a debian server? |
| 14:11.18 | BCMM | you can't distribute cddl binaries linked to gpl binaries |
| 14:11.30 | bashes | I'm completely new and trying to weigh out options |
| 14:11.34 | BCMM | bashes: ext4 still feels like the most trustworth solution to me |
| 14:11.35 | woenx | ok. So a related question. I have a script that connects to several raspberry pi at home, runs some commands, and records stats (cpu, ram usage, uptime, etc. for Grafana). The best way to "secure" that access would be limiting the commands that the computer can run on these raspberryes, right? |
| 14:11.41 | karlpinc | BCMM: Ah, right. So it's just not compatible with Linux's licence. |
| 14:12.22 | greycat | woenx: a better model would be for each of those pi boxes to initiate a connection and send you the information. That could be done with ssh, or with email, or with a specific TCP service that you create.... |
| 14:12.31 | BCMM | bashes: i mean it doesn't do any of the fancy features like snapshots that you can do with zfs and btrfs, but i guess if you're asking an open-ended question about filesystems, you're not using those? |
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| 14:12.42 | BCMM | bashes: and it's extremely well-supported and well-tested |
| 14:12.59 | woenx | greycat: well, I think that MQTT would be ideal for this |
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| 14:13.08 | woenx | (I already use it for some sensors) |
| 14:14.07 | BCMM | karlpinc: yeah. so it can't be shipped with the linux sources, or shipped in binary linux kernels. |
| 14:14.20 | Psi-Jack | Mmmm, MQTT can be nice. |
| 14:14.26 | BCMM | karlpinc: but compiling it locally isn't a huge deal, since there's a dkms package in contrib |
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| 14:16.04 | woenx | Well, thanks everyone, that's all I wanted to know!| |
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| 14:23.52 | Psi-Jack | But, hmm... using MQTT for stats like CPU, memory, etc... Seems ... Silly, to me. |
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| 14:24.24 | greycat | it's what SNTMP was built for, probably, but I never learned that |
| 14:24.59 | Psi-Jack | snmp, you mean. That's one way, or another way is a special monitoring agent like zabbix-agent, or node_exporter (prometheus), etc is for. |
| 14:25.06 | greycat | yes |
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| 14:25.15 | greycat | I have no idea where that T came from |
| 14:25.27 | Psi-Jack | It came from your misplaced fingers. :) |
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| 14:27.03 | Psi-Jack | Heh, I finally got all my LXC containers migrated back to VMs this weekend, and been re-implementing monitoring back with Prometheus. So I'm happy. Lot more reliable. |
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| 14:34.46 | rpifan | why does a ppa not auto import the pub key on debian |
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| 14:36.35 | nkuttler | !ppa |
| 14:36.35 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 14:37.06 | rpifan | well this package only comes in a ppa |
| 14:37.10 | rpifan | several of them do in fact |
| 14:37.18 | greycat | because if it could "auto import a key" that key would not be useful |
| 14:38.00 | rpifan | well i run the command by hand what difference does it make |
| 14:38.11 | greycat | then it's not "auto", is it |
| 14:38.21 | rpifan | Debian users also can install Papirus from our PPA, but the commands will differ: |
| 14:38.39 | rpifan | but its stupid, the key still goes through the same gpg server |
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| 14:39.21 | greycat | You need to tell apt that you TRUST this key. Otherwise there's no point. |
| 14:40.23 | rpifan | i trust all keys |
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| 14:40.25 | rpifan | from everyone |
| 14:40.32 | rpifan | id like to enable that |
| 14:40.45 | themill | umm, no. |
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| 14:43.09 | rpifan | it makes no difference |
| 14:43.14 | rpifan | paranoid for no reason |
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| 14:44.09 | themill | has 3 decades of computer virus transmitted by untrusted file transfer taught us nothing? |
| 14:44.24 | greycat | yes. |
| 14:44.45 | dvs | what's a virus? |
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| 14:45.21 | greycat | in any case, look at apt.conf(5) and search for Insecure |
| 14:45.32 | rpifan | i like my apt like i like my sex bareback |
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| 15:06.12 | wrksx | hey, how can I easily find out what 'command' a systemd service accept? |
| 15:06.40 | greycat | systemctl {stop|start|disable|enable|...} servicenmae |
| 15:06.46 | greycat | man systemctl for a full list |
| 15:07.05 | wrksx | but I mean, are all services accepting all commands? |
| 15:07.19 | wrksx | I would like to know if vsftp supports some kind of reload command |
| 15:07.24 | greycat | Do you mean, "what does this service DO?" That would be documented in the individual service's documentation. |
| 15:07.59 | greycat | You seem to be confused between "what systemctl accepts |
| 15:08.10 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.43 | wrksx | I want to type "systemctl reload vsftp" |
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| 15:09.02 | wrksx | but that outputs nothing |
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| 15:10.20 | greycat | it's not supposed to. systemctl just sends a signal (or whatever) to systemd. |
| 15:10.37 | greycat | use "systemctl status vsftpd" to see what the current status is, when the process started, the last things it logged, etc. |
| 15:11.23 | wrksx | The man systemctl says Reload: Asks all units listed on the command line to reload their configuration. |
| 15:11.38 | wrksx | That's exactly what I wanna do with vsftpd |
| 15:11.48 | greycat | check 'status' and see if it logged something like "re-reading my config" |
| 15:12.02 | wrksx | but based on what you said I understand it's not systemctl responsability |
| 15:12.35 | wrksx | It says reloading then reloaded |
| 15:12.40 | wwilliam | So I can not transfer from IphoneX to Stretch? |
| 15:12.42 | greycat | If you COMPLETELY REFUSE to use systemctl status, then go to the /lib/systemd/system directory and grep for ExecReload= in the vsftpd unit file. |
| 15:13.15 | wrksx | greycat: sorry I was a bit slow that's all |
| 15:13.27 | wrksx | greycat: still I'll have a look at /lib/systemd/system |
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| 15:14.39 | wrksx | okay so it kill -HUP |
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| 15:14.48 | wrksx | ty greycat |
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| 15:15.59 | greycat | it's funny that systemd seems to require forking /bin/kill just to send a HUP signal instead of offering it as builtin functionality |
| 15:17.06 | wrksx | I have no clue what effect the HUP signal has on vsftpd |
| 15:17.19 | greycat | man vsftpd |
| 15:17.35 | wrksx | tried without any luck, looked for "HUP" |
| 15:17.37 | greycat | It's an extremely common convention for unix daemons that HUP means "reread config". |
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| 15:18.34 | wrksx | Seems like vsftp doesn't do that |
| 15:18.35 | greycat | but it's weird that it's not in the man page |
| 15:18.37 | wrksx | too bad |
| 15:18.53 | wrksx | I just tried it while changing the config, it's not updated |
| 15:19.05 | wrksx | probably the reason why it's not in the man =) |
| 15:19.49 | greycat | That's a weird omission. |
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| 15:33.14 | greycat | Is there a way I can see the vsftpd.service file online without downloading and extracting it from the .deb? |
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| 15:33.50 | Elon_Satoshi | Will zathura-pdf-mupdf ever be available for zathura? |
| 15:34.23 | Elon_Satoshi | s/for zathura/for debian |
| 15:34.33 | petn-randall | greycat: You could check the packaging repo from vsftpd, if it's on salsa / gitlab you can view it online. |
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| 15:35.02 | greycat | "VCS: unknown" on tracker |
| 15:35.09 | greycat | good idea though |
| 15:36.28 | petn-randall | greycat: Or grab the source via apt-get source vsftpd`. That's the complete tarball, though. |
| 15:36.38 | DLange | greycat: https://sources.debian.org/src/vsftpd/ |
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| 15:37.18 | greycat | DLange: thanks |
| 15:37.27 | DLange | any time |
| 15:37.33 | greycat | OK, so https://sources.debian.org/src/vsftpd/3.0.3-8/debian/vsftpd.service/ shows ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID |
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| 15:37.46 | greycat | If HUP doesn't actually *do* anything to this daemon, I'd think that's a bug in the service file. |
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| 15:41.22 | petn-randall | Ah right, sources.d.o is a thing, too! Nice! |
| 15:41.26 | greycat | (on the other hand, if HUP *does* work with this daemon, the man page could use some additions) |
| 15:41.31 | tony` | hi |
| 15:41.56 | DLange | my vsftpd seems pretty un-impressed when HUP'ing it |
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| 15:43.57 | Janni | Hello. I have a question... Does anyone know a way to change the mouse cursor temporarily into a BIG crosshair? What I mean by that are a horizontal and a vertical line spanning the whole screen, indicating where the cursor is. |
| 15:44.16 | Janni | (on Xorg, obviously). |
| 15:44.53 | jelly | kde used to have ways of showing where the cursor was, but they looked different than that |
| 15:44.54 | DLange | greycat: ./standalone.c:static void handle_sighup(void* duff); in vsftpd-3.0.3 |
| 15:45.07 | greycat | ponders answers of the form "launch 3 instances of xeyes at different corners of the screen and triangulate from which way their eyes point" |
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| 15:46.16 | jelly | duff and his engine |
| 15:46.40 | DLange | Janni: I actually have a script for that in my XPS13 because of its insane screen resolution |
| 15:46.41 | greycat | looks like it tries to load the config file...? |
| 15:46.42 | Janni | jelly: I want to use it to help me read some files (in various contexts) with indentation. |
| 15:47.10 | saskwach | I'm trying to cross compile something with CMake, and can't figure out how to tell it that I have the target's libraries installed on my system. My toolchain file has |
| 15:47.10 | Janni | DLange: What is the script based on? |
| 15:47.13 | saskwach | SET(CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME Linux) |
| 15:47.13 | saskwach | SET(CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR armhf) |
| 15:47.22 | DLange | ah, won't do that, just helps to find the mouse cursor |
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| 15:47.39 | saskwach | Anyone know how to tell it where to find, for example, libssl? |
| 15:47.50 | saskwach | er, libcrypto |
| 15:49.08 | greycat | wrksx: anyway... if HUP (or systemctl reload which does a HUP) is not having any effect, you should file a bug report. It looks like it's supposed to work. |
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| 15:53.45 | markovski | guys how to install the ffmpeg codecs for opera-stable? |
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| 15:55.07 | mrig | hello, net install has worked. Will store the dvd as a backup form now on I think, rather than the live cd, I suspect that my locality could be the cause. Not in any way sure of that though. |
| 15:55.46 | markovski | ? |
| 15:56.18 | dvs | mrig, at least you only have to install from DVD once. |
| 15:57.07 | mrig | dvs, I am working up to that level, still have a habit of going to a new install when I don't know what is causing an issue. |
| 15:57.39 | mrig | dvs: really nice to know that you do not depend upon an internet connection to install software. |
| 15:58.26 | mrig | I am back with gnome again, no doubt about it, I really like it, the colour profiling is awesome. |
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| 15:58.38 | dvs | O_O |
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| 15:59.21 | mrig | Is that a reel to reel recorder or a look of surprise? |
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| 16:01.11 | mrig | I should try a session of switching GUI environments without reinstalling the base as a learning experience, seems that there is quite a difference between gnome and xfce when it comes to the user configuration of the GUI user profile. |
| 16:02.39 | dvs | mrig, you definitely dont have to reinstall to change GNU environment |
| 16:02.50 | mrig | Would really like to learn how to track down the cause of this glitch though, comes with time and experience I suppose. |
| 16:03.30 | mrig | dvs comes from being dependant on the live usb sticks I think, need to shake the habit. |
| 16:04.02 | mrig | I used a net advanced install, all seems quite familiar now, so no excuses. |
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| 16:05.16 | mrig | curious thing, the chromium colour is awful in gnome, and mozilla is excellent, less noticeable in xfce. |
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| 16:05.44 | mrig | I think gnome must have a wider color profile than xfce, speculation though. |
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| 16:06.09 | mrig | else it is mapping very differently. |
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| 16:09.08 | mrig | I had a question in the advanced install that I did not really understand, I would appreciate some clarification on; `Force grub to the EFI removable media path`. This was the default setting, I was wondering if there was any security benefit forsaken by doing this? |
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| 16:10.19 | dvs | mrig, I had to select that option in order to do the EFI install |
| 16:10.56 | mrig | right so it is sometimes an obligation, yes it mentions that the alternative can be buggy. |
| 16:11.46 | mrig | I used it but do not know if I had to or not, will experiment if I do need to install again. Intruiged to know if it is better protection if it is not done? |
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| 16:22.57 | Synaptic | is that possible to install debian on virtualbox, if the virtualbox is on a VPS?? |
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| 16:23.09 | Synaptic | i can reach only the installation screen.... then... all black |
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| 16:24.06 | RoyK | Synaptic: duuno about vbox, but with kvm I guess it should work, just by re-exporting the cpu flags needed |
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| 16:25.25 | RoyK | Synaptic: btw, why would you want to virtualise on a virtualised platform? using lxc will probably be far more efficient, although it won't have its own kernel |
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| 16:32.53 | Synaptic | RoyK because its a windows vps that i ned for some job.... but i need also a linux shell |
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| 16:33.12 | Synaptic | so what you suggest me to do? |
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| 16:33.55 | greycat | two separate VPSes? |
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| 16:34.50 | annadane | does crontab -e support aliases? |
| 16:35.28 | greycat | I wouldn't care to risk it. |
| 16:35.51 | greycat | It'll depend on which shell cron is using to parse the lines, and which mode that shell is operating in. |
| 16:36.13 | annadane | yeah i think i'll just not be lazy and standardize it instead. |
| 16:38.12 | bashes | How do you go about backing up a ext4 filesystem on a debian server? |
| 16:38.34 | Synaptic | greycat no to separate vps.... i have a vps hosted... i want to create a vps inside a vps |
| 16:38.54 | Synaptic | i will try now with vpware |
| 16:38.57 | Synaptic | vmware |
| 16:39.02 | greycat | I wasn't asking what you have now. I was proposing that as a solution. |
| 16:39.15 | Synaptic | ah ok no but i cannot fit that |
| 16:39.21 | Synaptic | i dont host the first vps |
| 16:39.41 | greycat | that's not relevant |
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| 16:40.01 | greycat | The question is just "can I afford the monthly charges of a second VPS or will that exceed my budget" |
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| 16:46.01 | jelly | Synaptic: which windows version on the host? |
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| 16:46.20 | jelly | well, vps-pretending-to-possibly-become-host |
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| 16:47.38 | Synaptic | server 2006 |
| 16:47.43 | jelly | Synaptic: if you 1) just need a shell and 2) do not care about performance a lot and 3) can live with serious limitations in socket api and 4) have a windows 10, try WSL |
| 16:47.54 | jelly | 2016? |
| 16:48.04 | jelly | no such thing as windows server 2006 |
| 16:48.32 | Synaptic | 2016 sry |
| 16:48.33 | jelly | or use cygwin |
| 16:48.44 | Synaptic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.14 | jelly | ability to use nested virtualization usually comes with a price tag |
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| 18:14.34 | spacedust | hi, could anyone give me a link the adb+fastbook package ? |
| 18:14.56 | tom_work | you mean fastboot? |
| 18:15.21 | spacedust | lol that writing :) |
| 18:15.30 | spacedust | hi, could anyone give me a link to the adb+fastboot package ? |
| 18:15.47 | petn-randall | spacedust: They're literally called "adb" and "fastboot". |
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| 18:16.07 | spacedust | but im not on debian right now but i would still like to download and try them |
| 18:16.07 | tom_work | spacedust, apt install adb fastboot |
| 18:16.26 | tom_work | spacedust, you can download them from packages.debian.org |
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| 18:16.57 | spacedust | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/adb |
| 18:17.06 | spacedust | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/fastboot |
| 18:17.18 | spacedust | ah loads of deps :) |
| 18:18.10 | spacedust | i am using gentoo right now, and android-tools package wants to download go , which is 600mb, not sure why would i need go for adb + fastboot :) |
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| 18:18.22 | spacedust | so was thinking maybe i can make the debian packages work on it :D |
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| 18:21.59 | petn-randall | That won't work. You're better off installing from sources than trying to get Debian packages work on Gentoo. |
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| 18:24.25 | spacedust | yeah petn-randall i figured, its just it need go to build ... which is 600mb big ... and i dont want go |
| 18:24.34 | spacedust | fsck go :) |
| 18:24.39 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
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| 18:34.36 | uniqdom | how can I reconfigure mysql-server package? I need to get rid of all misconfigs that I have done. I don't care about the databases or users that i had created |
| 18:34.54 | uniqdom | apt purge mysql-server; apt install mysql-server ?? |
| 18:35.22 | greycat | you'll need to purge the actual server package, not the meta package |
| 18:35.30 | uniqdom | i see |
| 18:35.34 | uniqdom | thanks :) |
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| 18:35.55 | petn-randall | uniqdom: `dpkg-reconfigure -plow <packagename>` |
| 18:35.56 | greycat | I'm not sure if it's mariadb-server-core-10.1 or mariadb-server-10.1 ... hell, just do 'em both |
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| 18:59.20 | milkt | is it completely safe to pause "dd" or "rsync" or "ffmpeg" etc with ctrl+z and resume it later? or should i better avoid to pause jobs often? |
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| 19:02.11 | Akuw | hi, i am trying to copy using scp -P 38752 user@domain.com:home/user/file.tar |
| 19:02.31 | Akuw | but command show me usage options |
| 19:02.40 | nkuttler | no target |
| 19:02.41 | greycat | milkt: depends on too many factors to give a single answer. You gave three incredibly DIFFERENT commands, and you gave no indication what kind of devices the dd is operating on. |
| 19:03.06 | petn-randall | Akuw: Read them closely. |
| 19:03.32 | Akuw | damm . |
| 19:03.34 | greycat | for rsync the most likely source of problems would be "after x minutes of inactivity, the connection to the remote host is lost because my NAT times out" |
| 19:03.36 | Akuw | all is ok now |
| 19:03.57 | greycat | there are workarounds for that, and they're the same ones you use for regular interactive ssh sessions |
| 19:06.07 | milkt | greycat: sorry, i meant just some non-interactive local file manipulation without networking |
| 19:06.39 | greycat | well, your local system probably won't complain that you're doing nothing, unless you're talking to some exotic device |
| 19:06.40 | petn-randall | It was missing the dot. :) |
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| 21:19.26 | z3r0_r00t | hi |
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| 21:23.36 | z3r0_r00t | hi |
| 21:23.37 | z3r0_r00t | ! |
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| 21:28.29 | _2E0LNX | Hi z3r0_r00t... |
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| 21:32.04 | z3r0_r00t | i need to know about this exploit |
| 21:32.19 | z3r0_r00t | windows/nuuo/nuuo_cms_sqli |
| 21:32.37 | z3r0_r00t | msfconsole |
| 21:32.38 | jmcnaught | z3r0_r00t: we don't do that here |
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| 21:34.01 | dvs | we can solve it: install Debian! |
| 21:34.01 | z3r0_r00t | why ?! |
| 21:34.25 | z3r0_r00t | kali linux is my os |
| 21:34.34 | jmcnaught | !kali |
| 21:34.34 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 21:35.00 | jmcnaught | z3r0_r00t: try #kali-linux ^^ |
| 21:35.14 | z3r0_r00t | oh yeah sure |
| 21:35.19 | annadane | !whynotpentesting |
| 21:35.19 | dpkg | For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
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| 21:35.24 | enowaldo | Upgraded from jessie to stretch, Xorg doesn't start, ask here or elsewhere? |
| 21:35.27 | z3r0_r00t | thanks for your time anyone |
| 21:35.30 | annadane | here, enowaldo |
| 21:35.47 | enowaldo | annadane: I've got a /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste, where should that go? |
| 21:35.52 | annadane | paste.debian.net |
| 21:35.56 | enowaldo | annadane: Tx. |
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| 21:38.05 | enowaldo | annadane: Here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a956f016/ |
| 21:38.42 | enowaldo | Xorg segfaults on startup with: [ 47.649] (EE) modeset(0): glGetString() returned NULL, your GL is broken |
| 21:39.01 | enowaldo | 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1 (2016-07-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:39.07 | enowaldo | Thinkpad T520 |
| 21:40.01 | annadane | that's neither a jessie nor a stretch kernel |
| 21:40.21 | enowaldo | annadane: Too new or old? It's freshly installed. |
| 21:40.26 | enowaldo | annadane: I can update that if needs be. |
| 21:40.32 | annadane | for stretch, too old, stretch uses 4.9 |
| 21:40.47 | annadane | not certain, of course, that the kernel is the source of your problems or not |
| 21:41.14 | annadane | jessie uses 3.16 so it's strange you have that one |
| 21:41.22 | enowaldo | annadane: I'll see if I can't update that. |
| 21:41.43 | enowaldo | annadane: ... as it may impact other bits. And yes, I did update the kernel during the upgrade. System's been offline a few years. |
| 21:42.22 | enowaldo | hrm. I'm finding 4.19 in aptitude... |
| 21:42.34 | enowaldo | and 4.9 |
| 21:42.43 | annadane | 4.19 is in stretch-backports, you likely have that in your sources list |
| 21:42.47 | annadane | ,kernels |
| 21:42.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-1); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: |
| 21:42.49 | judd | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 21:43.48 | enowaldo | Hrm, strange... |
| 21:44.42 | annadane | someone else can probably answer this better than i can, i'm not completely aware of your problems |
| 21:45.18 | enowaldo | annadane: NP. And I've got a 4.19 installed, just ... not booted, for some reason. I'll go kick at grub a bit. |
| 21:45.54 | enowaldo | BBIAM, rebooting |
| 21:46.02 | annadane | enowaldo, did you read the release notes btw? |
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| 21:58.27 | enowaldo | So ... what happened to update-grub? |
| 21:59.23 | annadane | you probably need to be more specific |
| 21:59.40 | annadane | also, i was asking before you rebooted... did you follow the release notes? |
| 21:59.46 | enowaldo | I thought there was a command "update-grub", for re-generating Debian grub configs. I don't find it now. |
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| 22:00.00 | enowaldo | annadane: Which release notes? xorg, linux-image, or ... ? |
| 22:00.14 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes |
| 22:00.35 | enowaldo | annadane: Thanks, no. |
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| 22:00.51 | enowaldo | reads. |
| 22:01.11 | annadane | in any case i'm pretty useless at all this, best let one of the experts take it |
| 22:01.53 | enowaldo | annadane: Any recommendations on who's expert? |
| 22:02.07 | annadane | probably many people idling in this channel! |
| 22:02.27 | annadane | or bug debian-user@lists.debian.org if nobody answers |
| 22:03.02 | jmcnaught | update-grub should be called automatically when you install a kernel package |
| 22:03.52 | annadane | but yes every debian release comes with release notes which people should read when dist-upgrading, it may address some problems they have |
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| 22:04.05 | annadane | and yes, for a newer kernel you'll need apt dist-upgrade and not just upgrade |
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| 22:09.02 | melpy | How can I find all the packages that would break if I removed systemd |
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| 22:10.51 | jmcnaught | melpy: you don't need to remove systemd to use a different init. Look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz (at the bottom) for how to do it properly |
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| 22:14.32 | EdePopede | any reason why moinmoin is python-moinmoin in debian? thought it was taken out until i found it in the list |
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| 22:18.25 | enowaldo | annadane: yeah, I thought I'd try IRC first. |
| 22:21.43 | enowaldo | melpy: You can run apt (or apt-get, or aptitude) remove and see what's listed. Don't approve the action. |
| 22:21.50 | enowaldo | melpy: Or you can use dpkg-awk: dpkg-awk 'Depends:systemd' -- 'Package' |
| 22:22.03 | enowaldo | melpy: lists all packages with dependencies on systemd. |
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| 22:22.23 | enowaldo | melpy: I need to check to see if that's limited to _installed_ packages though. |
| 22:22.59 | rant | EdePopede: because its a python library and thats how we name such things :P |
| 22:23.22 | EdePopede | wikis count as libraries? |
| 22:23.37 | rant | ,i python-moinmoin |
| 22:23.38 | judd | Package python-moinmoin (python, optional) in stretch/amd64: Python clone of WikiWiki - library. Version: 1.9.9-1+deb9u1; Size: 7795.5k; Installed: 28038k; Homepage: http://moinmo.in/ |
| 22:24.25 | rant | ,depends python-moinmoin |
| 22:24.26 | judd | Package python-moinmoin in stretch/amd64 -- depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.7), python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~), python-werkzeug, python-pygments, python-parsedatetime, python-recaptcha, python-passlib. |
| 22:24.38 | rant | without a webserver its not a wiki |
| 22:24.43 | rant | it doesn't even depend on one |
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| 22:24.55 | rant | ,suggests python-moinmoin |
| 22:24.56 | judd | Package python-moinmoin in stretch/amd64 -- suggests: python-flup, python-4suite-xml, python-xml, python-gdchart, python-docutils, python-pyxmpp, python-openid, python-tz, python-ldap, python-mysqldb, miscfiles | wordlist, antiword, catdoc, cifs-utils, poppler-utils | xpdf-utils, docbook-dsssl. |
| 22:24.58 | EdePopede | "python-moinmoin - Python clone of WikiWiki - library" - mediawiki is a website engine, nurpawiki a Wiki, yaws-wiki a Wiki application, and there are some Wiki clones |
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| 22:25.20 | rant | ,recommends python-moinmoin |
| 22:25.21 | judd | Package python-moinmoin in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent, python-xapian, python-xappy, fckeditor, libapache2-mod-wsgi | httpd-cgi. |
| 22:25.44 | EdePopede | there's didiwiki coming with its own webserver, the only one i remember atm |
| 22:26.27 | rant | its a some assembly required library that can build a wiki :D |
| 22:26.51 | enowaldo | vimwiki can run w/o a webserver, FWIW. |
| 22:27.19 | EdePopede | like most of the others, so they should be seen as libs too, then. and then there are all the other tools doing stuff on the web. blogs. forums. |
| 22:27.24 | rant | yeah I've seen editor wikis |
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| 22:29.07 | EdePopede | ah right, personal wiki. the desktop solution. not to forget tiddlywiki ;) |
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| 22:34.40 | enowaldo | How do I force Grub to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
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| 22:37.08 | enowaldo | That used to be done via update-grub IIRC, but I don't find that on my system as of jessie |
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| 22:38.35 | jmcnaught | it's still update-grub, maybe you're missing grub2-common package for some reason related to your non-Debian kernel? |
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| 22:39.54 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: Could be. I just did a jessie -> stretch upgrade a few days ago on a long-offline box. Thins appear to have not gone entirely smoothly. |
| 22:39.57 | dvs | or not running it as root or without sudo |
| 22:40.51 | jmcnaught | enowaldo: sounds like maybe it wasn't a pure Debian system to begin with? Did you have third party repos in sources.list during the dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:41.32 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: Mozilla only. Some pinning across testing/unstable. |
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| 22:42.14 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: Looks as if grub-common is installed ,not grub2-common. |
| 22:42.28 | enowaldo | ... or was. Sec. |
| 22:43.12 | jmcnaught | enowaldo: oh mixing testing/unstable with stable/oldstable is probably your problem. Pinning is ridiculously difficult to get right |
| 22:43.38 | annadane | and yet often recommended :/ |
| 22:43.40 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: Yeah, it was the only real option at the time. I'm trying to clean up and use backports if at all possible now. |
| 22:43.45 | annadane | i was just confused by the 4.6 kernel |
| 22:43.57 | enowaldo | annadane: As am I. |
| 22:44.07 | jmcnaught | enowaldo: just backup your data and reinstall from scratch, it'll be quicker than trying to figure this mess out |
| 22:44.20 | enowaldo | I'd also pinned systemd to priority -1 and yet _that_ seems to have installed. |
| 22:44.24 | annadane | see? there *are* experts here :D |
| 22:44.52 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: But this is so _educational_ |
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| 22:45.43 | enowaldo | OK, update-grub now exists. running. |
| 22:45.58 | jmcnaught | !frankendebian |
| 22:45.58 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 22:46.05 | enowaldo | And I've screened my IRSSI session (another box) so it should persist through this next reboot.... |
| 22:46.19 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: It really shouldn't be that bad. Trust me. |
| 22:46.31 | jmcnaught | good luck |
| 22:46.33 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: :) |
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| 22:46.46 | enowaldo | jmcnaught: I've been doing this for a few decades. |
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| 22:47.40 | enowaldo | bbiam |
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| 22:52.32 | enowaldo | Back |
| 22:52.45 | enowaldo | 4.19.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:52.51 | enowaldo | But Xorg still fails... |
| 22:53.21 | enowaldo | modeset(0): glGetString() returned NULL, your GL is broken |
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| 23:02.47 | xparanoik | evening. trying to install Debian on an older 32bit machine (AMD K6-2) and when booting installer, it says this kernel version requires "cmov". I am aware of 32bit support requiring i686 instructions, so what would be the latest release that I could try installing instead? |
| 23:04.54 | xparanoik | would Jessie still work, or would it have to be the previous release? |
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| 23:07.50 | jmcnaught | xparanoik: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html |
| 23:08.02 | jmcnaught | so jessie is the last one you can use |
| 23:08.35 | xparanoik | thank you. I'm assuming if I do an inplace upgrade using apt then it will break the install? |
| 23:09.18 | jmcnaught | yes |
| 23:09.27 | xparanoik | okay, thanks :) |
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| 23:09.53 | xparanoik | should have researched first, just wasted a good ol' CD-R :( |
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| 23:51.55 | enowaldo | N |
| 23:54.44 | enowaldo | Xorg segfaults on startup. Full log: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/53454f6f/ |
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| 23:59.52 | rant | xparanoik: I dont think in 2019 its possible to "waste" a CD-R |