| 00:00.56 | jmcnaught | CyberManifest: yes, jessie users can upgrade to stretch. There is also some limited security support for jessie in jessie/updates from https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
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| 00:02.01 | CyberManifest | root________, did you catch that? Just do sudo apt dist-upgrade to go to stretch the update from there |
| 00:02.31 | jmcnaught | CyberManifest: that's not what I meant. If you want to upgrade from jessie to stretch you follow the instructions in the release notes |
| 00:02.46 | altker128 | Terrell: You're asking about using an iPhone as a USB-Ethernet interface or something? |
| 00:02.54 | altker128 | Any Ryzen desktop users in here? |
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| 00:03.04 | CyberManifest | jmcnaught, what's wrong with "apt dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 00:04.02 | jmcnaught | CyberManifest: it's not the correct way to upgrade, see the instructions in the release notes. |
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| 00:04.49 | CyberManifest | jmcnaught, why does "apt dist-upgrade" exist then? |
| 00:05.20 | CyberManifest | also in Open Source what is technically "correct"? |
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| 00:06.46 | starsaboveus | Hey all :) |
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| 00:08.23 | jmcnaught | CyberManifest: read about dist-upgrade in "man apt-get" |
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| 00:09.55 | Marlin1113 | Hello |
| 00:10.02 | Marlin1113 | Started using debian two days ago |
| 00:10.06 | Marlin1113 | Pretty comfy |
| 00:10.26 | CyberManifest | so just put repos in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt dist-upgrade |
| 00:10.59 | starsaboveus | I just started using Debian, too! Using a ThinkPad X220 with the Xfce DE. :) |
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| 00:15.42 | CyberManifest | jmcnaught, section 4.4.5. Upgrading the system from instruction in release notes... "# apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 00:23.15 | root________ | CyberManifest: jmcnaught yes. I have caught it now. Thank you for the prompt response. The webchat from freenode isn't the most easy to actually read |
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| 00:30.12 | karlpinc | CyberManifest: It's always good to read and follow the release notes. For instance, if you upgrade to buster a system that was installed before stretch (and then upgraded to stretch) your networking will break unless you follow the instructions. You're welcome to try doing anything you like, but you may have to pick up the pieces. |
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| 00:34.44 | karlpinc | Marlin1113: What release? |
| 00:34.57 | CyberManifest | karlpinc, root_______ wasn't talking about "buster" and the release notes in fact said to use apt dist-upgrade in section 4.4.5 |
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| 00:38.42 | karlpinc | CyberManifest: We see a lot of people here who have upgraded willy-nilly without reading the release notes and then need help fixing their system. |
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| 00:39.41 | CyberManifest | karlpinc, good for you? |
| 00:39.51 | icarious | Hi what is the difference between stretch/updates and stretch-updates from security.debian.org as shown here https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 00:40.16 | icarious | I know debian-security includes the CVE fixes, and what about the other one? |
| 00:40.40 | icarious | A default (non-expert) Buster install didn't include stretch-updates by default. Isn't it necessary? |
| 00:40.54 | icarious | Sorry I mean the buster-updates line |
| 00:40.55 | jmcnaught | !stretch-updates |
| 00:40.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stretch-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <stretch/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 00:42.06 | icarious | Oh ok got it |
| 00:42.10 | icarious | Was confising me |
| 00:42.12 | icarious | *confusing |
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| 00:45.03 | icarious | So stable-updates is not mandatory per say if someone is running a production server? |
| 00:45.29 | jmcnaught | icarious: correct |
| 00:45.58 | icarious | Nice distinction. Comes handy to avoid frequent updates |
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| 00:57.32 | Glibdos | Hello, I just installed debian, and I would like to chroot into the new installation before I boot into it. How do you chroot into debian from the console after installation? |
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| 00:58.22 | rant | I was following the Debian Wiki https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN#TLS-enabled_VPN for setting up TLS for openVPN, my server is running buster, and needless to say not a single line of this is applicable anymore.. I figured out up to the DH generation part.. but I can't figure out what the equiv command is for ./build-key client |
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| 01:02.40 | rant | this is the output of the easyrsa command.. if any of this makes any sense to anyone http://paste.debian.net/1083315/ none of those stand out to me as the obvious command for building a client key |
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| 01:05.52 | rant | Glibdos: if you're still in the installer, the rootfs should probably be mounted on /target |
| 01:06.06 | icarious | These "snap" packages are officially supported by Debian Team? |
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| 01:06.46 | dax | what snap packages? |
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| 01:08.25 | Glibdos | rant I am in a console of the installer but I don't see anything in /target for some reason |
| 01:09.04 | rant | Glibdos: you may have reached a point in the install where it has already unmounted it.. idk |
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| 01:09.39 | rant | Glibdos: unless you have reason to believe the system is unbootable, there is no real reason to go through the trouble of doing this |
| 01:09.40 | Glibdos | rant: ok thanks :) |
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| 01:12.43 | Marlin1113 | karlpinc: started with Stretch, on buster now |
| 01:12.51 | Marlin1113 | also using guix to help me with packages |
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| 01:18.55 | ghormoon | how much overengineering is thinking about some apt-cache container, if I'm having a bunch of containers (~20) on a laptop? for two reasons, updates to download once and having one place to change mirrors (as i'm changing countries often and using home mirrors still is SLOW). Not a ful lmirror, not enough space on laptop for that, but maybe some on-demand cache would do? |
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| 01:20.20 | cybercrypto | hi there. |
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| 01:20.57 | rant | nm its probably the build-client-full command I guess |
| 01:21.04 | cybercrypto | could anyone point me to a doc explainning about default gnome xorg/wayland decisions for the next debian release? |
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| 01:22.33 | rant | dpkg, apt-cacher |
| 01:22.33 | dpkg | somebody said apt-cacher was a caching proxy designed specifically for use by <apt>. http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/ See also <apt-cacher-ng>, <approx>, <aptly>. |
| 01:22.45 | rant | !apt-cacher-ng |
| 01:22.45 | dpkg | apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. Its usage is documented at http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/ and alternatives comprise <apt-cacher>, <squid deb caching> and <approx>. |
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| 01:24.41 | jmcnaught | ghormoon: I use apt-cacher-ng for the same reason, running in a tiny VM |
| 01:24.46 | ghormoon | yeah, something like that. the only question is if the host should handle that, or a new CT |
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| 01:25.33 | ghormoon | i guess a new ct would be cleaner. maybe even excluded from backups |
| 01:25.37 | Guest47261 | where I need to configure the UUID of the swap partition to use for hibernation ? |
| 01:25.41 | ghormoon | or at least exclude some cache-folder |
| 01:26.14 | Guest47261 | update-initramfs complains about i need to set the RESUME variable, is this setting not for the /etc/default/grub (boot parameters) anymore? |
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| 01:42.43 | miroesq | I have a new install of debian stretch. I removed the 70-persistent-net.rules using 'rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' and the file no longer generates upon reboot and my wifi does not work. I can get my wifi working by using 'udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=net --action=add' but that still does not cause the 70-persistent-net.rules file to regenerate. It used to in Debian Jessie, has this been changed? |
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| 01:45.39 | jmcnaught | miroesq: did you look to see if the wireless interface has a different name? New installs of stretch default to using the predictable names instead of the old eth0, wlan0 etc: https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch#If_you_install_fresh_instead_of_upgrading... |
| 01:48.08 | miroesq | jmcnaught: After I did the new install, I installed the wifi drivers and wpa_supplicant and it set it up as wlan0 in nano /etc/network/interfaces and everything worked fine. |
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| 01:49.40 | jmcnaught | miroesq: if you run "ip a" does it show another interface name for wireless? On my laptop wireless is wlsl1 instead of wlan0 |
| 01:49.47 | miroesq | I never checked after that install if the 70-persistent-net.rule file was there, but I did delete it before shuting down the machine to do an image (this was so I can install it on another similar machine, but with a diferent network card) and I did not get any errors, so I assume the file was there and was deleted correctly, but I can't be ceretain |
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| 01:50.27 | miroesq | No, 'ip a' still shows wlan0 |
| 01:51.39 | rant | I have a USB wifi thing here Netgear WG111v3 that won't work with the new ifnames, you have to disable them and let it set it to wlan0 or it wont work |
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| 01:52.56 | rant | it'll scan and attempt to connect but auto disconnects.. its a rather odd bug in the firmware I can't for the life of me understand :P |
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| 01:57.40 | Guest47261 | where I need to configure the UUID of the swap partition to use for hibernation ? |
| 01:57.41 | Guest47261 | update-initramfs complains about i need to set the RESUME variable, is this setting not for the /etc/default/grub (boot parameters) anymore? |
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| 01:58.54 | karlpinc | miroesq: It might not hurt to see what happens with a newer kernel from backports. This is a random stab, but is relatively easy to try. |
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| 02:02.13 | miroesq | karlpinc: I'm not in the least bit fam,iliar with linux, but will google that and look into it. thanks |
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| 02:07.26 | karlpinc | !backports |
| 02:07.26 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:07.40 | karlpinc | !debian-backports |
| 02:07.40 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 02:09.26 | miroesq_ | I am using an image I created right after setting uop the wifi to see if 70-persistent-net.rules is there |
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| 02:11.24 | miroesq_ | I also had another question. I do not have a battery on my system's clockl, it's an Odroid XU4. How can I have the system always execute this command upon startup after the netwrok card is up? 'ntpdate -u 0.us.pool.ntp.org && hwclock -w' |
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| 02:18.01 | altker128 | miroesq_: You could put it into the /etc/rc.local ; there's a systemd add-on (package) that gives you rc.local |
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| 02:20.25 | miroesq_ | altker128: I see the rc.local file on my install, does that mean I have this systemd add-on package and can therefore just add it to that file? |
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| 02:21.13 | jmcnaught | there's no systemd add-on package for rc.local you just create the file |
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| 02:22.14 | miroesq_ | jmcnaught: The file is already there, but it says that in order to enable the script, I have to chnage the execution bits. |
| 02:22.26 | miroesq_ | not sure how to do that. |
| 02:22.58 | jmcnaught | miroesq_: weird because it's not there by default on Debian, are you using a derivative? |
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| 02:24.34 | miroesq_ | jmcnaught: I'm using an Odroid XU4 so I downloaded the Debian-Stretch image then installed FreeSWITCH/FusionPBX using a script, so perhaps it was installed with one of those, but how do I enable the script? |
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| 02:27.27 | jmcnaught | miroesq_: that probably explains why you had the old style interface name (wlan0) because the people that made the image have obviously changed some thing from defaults. To make that file executable "chmod +x /etc/rc.local" |
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| 02:29.12 | miroesq_ | jmcnaught: thanks. It was I who edited nano /etc/network/interfaces and manually put in 'auto wlan0' etc... |
| 02:29.58 | jmcnaught | miroesq_: I mean the naming of the interface wlan0 would be different on a fresh stretch install, but maybe not on ARM |
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| 02:30.36 | altker128 | miroesq_: I use these as my guide |
| 02:30.38 | altker128 | https://www.linuxbabe.com/linux-server/how-to-enable-etcrc-local-with-systemd |
| 02:30.40 | altker128 | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44797694/where-is-rc-local-in-debian-9-debian-stretch |
| 02:30.54 | miroesq_ | jmcnaught: you're the expert :) I'm going to reboot using the old image i made after installing the wifi and i will check out if the file is there |
| 02:31.09 | miroesq_ | altker128: thx will check them out |
| 02:31.45 | altker128 | miroesq_: The stackoverflow instructions are what I use. |
| 02:32.03 | jmcnaught | altker128: the first one unnecessarily creates a .service file when one already exists at /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service |
| 02:32.44 | altker128 | jmcnaught: Agreed, I think the stackoverflow instructions use the existing one |
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| 02:33.18 | jmcnaught | altker128: yeah the stackoverflow answer is the way to go |
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| 02:34.39 | jmcnaught | that said it's really easy to make a .service unit file, which while unnecessary for rc.local in the linuxbabe.com example, it does show how to make one |
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| 02:37.42 | miroesq | jmcnaught: Found the file 70-persistent-net.rules in the previous image I saved, but it is blank. What does that mean? I'm confused. |
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| 02:38.48 | jmcnaught | miroesq: I don't have the file at all so it could be your hardware vendor adding that file in the images they distribute for their boards? |
| 02:39.10 | jmcnaught | miroesq: I wouldn't focus too much on 70-persistent-net.rules anyways as it's deprecated and will not work at all in buster |
| 02:39.27 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names |
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| 02:42.55 | miroesq | jmcnaught: The issue is I like to create an image which I use accross different Odroid XU4 machines. When Debian used to have the 70-persistent-net.rules fil and I installed the image on a different machine, it owuld boot up, but I would not have network access because the network card would be different, so I used to always delete that file before I create an image so that it would self generate with the new syntax to accomodate the new |
| 02:42.55 | miroesq | network card on the new machine. So with the new Debian Stretch, that file is no longer used and it will just "activate" a new network card if the image is started on a nww machine? |
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| 02:47.36 | _Random_ | hey guys just installed mxlinux(debian based) |
| 02:47.45 | jmcnaught | miroesq: instead of wlan0 it would be wlan1 you mean? The way that interfaces get named has changed to be based on which "slot" the device is in. Under the new way of naming network interfaces they always get the same name and you don't need to use tricks anymore like deleting 70-persistent-net.rules |
| 02:48.25 | _Random_ | my internall partitions or inserted usb drives at=re not being auto mounted |
| 02:48.43 | _Random_ | any suggestions for fix on these |
| 02:49.16 | dvs | !debian based |
| 02:49.16 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 02:50.56 | cybercrypto | _Random_: have you tried the mxlinux channel? give it a try |
| 02:51.13 | miroesq | No, I meant because the new machine had a network card with a different Mac address, it would not obtain an IP address and you could not go online, so you literally had to either change the Mac address in the 70-persistent-net.rules file or delete the file altogether and then the network card was able to obtain an IP address and go online |
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| 02:52.32 | _Random_ | no mx channel |
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| 02:58.30 | miroesq | jmcnaught: The rc.local file has this commented out '#!/bin/sh -e' should I remove the '#' to uncomment it? |
| 02:59.21 | yans | Damn, i'm so fuckin drunk... |
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| 03:00.08 | yans | playin' some hard rock [: |
| 03:00.44 | jmcnaught | miroesq: no leave that line alone |
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| 03:01.44 | miroesq | jmcnaught: The file already has the attribute of 0755 so does that mean it's already chmoded and ready to go or do I still need to do 'chmod + rc.local'? |
| 03:02.16 | jmcnaught | miroesq: you don't need to make it executable because it already is apparently |
| 03:02.30 | miroesq | k. thanks a lot. will give it a shot now |
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| 03:04.03 | cybercrypto | _Random_: in their website, there is a link for a forum. You may want to check it perhaps. |
| 03:05.59 | eblip | hey when you do a denbian net install ...does it install gnome and everything |
| 03:06.40 | jmcnaught | eblip: gnome is optional |
| 03:06.56 | eblip | hmm maybe something went wrong ..i didnt get the option for gnome |
| 03:06.59 | eblip | so i jsut have a terminal |
| 03:07.13 | eblip | ill have to apt get gnome probably |
| 03:07.23 | jmcnaught | you can run tasksel |
| 03:07.38 | eblip | thanks ill look into it |
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| 03:09.28 | miroesq | jmcnaught: worked like a charm. unplugged the Odroid, waited a while, boted back up and it's got the right time :) thanks a lot |
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| 03:20.48 | eblip | hey what is the debian 9 stable also known as ..is it jesse or squeeze |
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| 03:21.10 | tacocat | eblip, debian 9 is stretch |
| 03:21.12 | eblip | im looking for gnome and there are various versions ..if i apt-get install gnome |
| 03:21.17 | eblip | it says cant find |
| 03:21.26 | eblip | ok stretch |
| 03:21.48 | tacocat | stretch has gnome 3.22 |
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| 03:31.15 | eblip | ah tacocat maybe it was a typo ..its installing it now |
| 03:31.22 | tacocat | ^^ |
| 03:31.52 | eblip | one thing though i have a wireless card that i dont think got the driver in the net install |
| 03:32.06 | eblip | is there like a bunch of drivers i can get in a package |
| 03:32.48 | tacocat | debian kinda separates them by manufacturer, what model card is it? |
| 03:33.05 | eblip | erm ill have to do an lspci ... |
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| 03:34.07 | eblip | Intel pro/wireless 4965 or AGN kedron network connection |
| 03:34.52 | eblip | maybe it will be dragged in with gnome |
| 03:35.00 | eblip | which is still installing |
| 03:36.09 | tacocat | try installing firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free |
| 03:36.20 | eblip | ah great stuff |
| 03:41.04 | eblip | decided to go debian after net install of opensuse leap on a memory stick kept crashing ..debian just so rock solid...safe hands |
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| 04:04.03 | miroesq | Debian is not broadcasting it's hostname for samba share, even though in samba.conf I have 'netbios name = odroid-stretch' |
| 04:04.28 | miroesq | sorry, smb.conf |
| 04:04.32 | johnjay | debian works on odroids? |
| 04:04.36 | johnjay | hmm |
| 04:06.34 | miroesq | yes, there's a great image for stretch. want the link? |
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| 04:25.15 | bigMouthCommie | fairly fresh install of debian. i have a bunch of old shell scripts in ~/bin and i can't seem to get other apps to call them. |
| 04:25.37 | bigMouthCommie | FOR INSTANCE, i configged liferea to use a "custom" browser called ytsux |
| 04:25.47 | bigMouthCommie | which is i shell script in ~/bin |
| 04:27.30 | themill | ~/bin is probably not in the PATH (at all, or at least for the graphical session) |
| 04:27.30 | apt | ...but /bin is already something else... |
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| 04:30.08 | eblip | good stuff tacocat wifi working.. |
| 04:33.19 | Unit193 | ~/.profile (via /etc/skel/.profile) is the one that adds ~/bin or ~/.local/bin to the PATH. |
| 04:33.19 | apt | that's too long, Unit193 |
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| 07:52.48 | rant | how can I set mate-terminal to use a custom app for opening links? I've tried gconf /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/ and ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list neither of those has changed the behavior |
| 07:53.51 | rant | really I'm fine with this being global behavior.. as this app is a url handler that I wrote that parses urls and opens different apps depending on the url |
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| 08:03.16 | haclusterer | hello folks of the great debian empire |
| 08:04.26 | rant | yes, I am emporer rant.. your taxes are in arrears. |
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| 08:14.34 | laptop | hi I have encrypted my hd and swap, does encrption use up more ram |
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| 08:23.32 | rant | the overhead of any kind is negligent on any modern system |
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| 08:25.50 | rant | and if you wanna know specifically, its real easy to figure out, install virtualbox, download a debian iso, make two identical virtual machines, install just a base install one with encryption and one without |
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| 08:50.18 | haclusterer | how to >= php7.1? |
| 08:50.29 | haclusterer | i was hinted at: https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt |
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| 08:50.53 | haclusterer | and I was wondering if you can recommend it |
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| 08:57.27 | themill | haclusterer: which release of Debian |
| 08:58.08 | haclusterer | current, stretch |
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| 08:59.04 | themill | then yes, sury.org packages or upgrade to buster. |
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| 09:13.25 | haclusterer | themill: you wouldn't recommend buster for productive servers, would you? |
| 09:14.31 | dutchfish | haclusterer, when are you planning to take that system into production? |
| 09:14.37 | nkuttler | you said you need php >= 7.1... your call |
| 09:15.32 | haclusterer | well wo would like to have testing system available by next week but going productive can wait another month I guess |
| 09:15.36 | nkuttler | also, will that system do anything else than running php? |
| 09:15.37 | dutchfish | haclusterer, furthermore, dont use 7.2. also take a look at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/php7.3 (specially the bug list) |
| 09:16.28 | haclusterer | nkuttler, the **system** would but I might be able to isolate php to its one VM |
| 09:16.40 | dutchfish | haclusterer, last but not least 7.1 is bit more efficient as it stands now, not by features but by overall performance. |
| 09:19.24 | dutchfish | haclusterer, on a testsystem i am at 7.3.5, that looks promissing |
| 09:19.50 | haclusterer | I'm not to concerned with efficiency at the moment.. would probably go with the latest and greatest.. that debian can provide |
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| 09:20.52 | dutchfish | haclusterer, well, as it stands now buster will prolly be relased this year, hence i asked when you are planning to deploy. For now stable is my best bet, when it comes to security. |
| 09:21.19 | dutchfish | released* |
| 09:21.26 | haclusterer | okay, i'll use the repo for now |
| 09:21.38 | haclusterer | thanks |
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| 09:22.50 | dutchfish | haclusterer, one more thing, when buster is released, there will prolly newer versions of php7.x from backports available. |
| 09:23.43 | dutchfish | haclusterer, so there is no need to rush into new stuff |
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| 09:24.11 | dutchfish | think security |
| 09:24.15 | haclusterer | how does backports work? I understand that they are packages form newer releases available for older ones |
| 09:24.59 | dutchfish | haclusterer, right, just ask in here if there is a need, it boils down to pointing apt to bpo and install from there the newer versions |
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| 09:25.05 | dutchfish | !bpo |
| 09:25.05 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 09:28.28 | haclusterer | so its basically a apt-repo with recompiled packages for an older distro.. |
| 09:28.46 | dutchfish | haclusterer, for an older release, yes |
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| 09:30.00 | haclusterer | so in theory php7.x could be in backports already? (I checked its not) |
| 09:30.01 | dutchfish | haclusterer, and there is also Debian LTS (long time stable) |
| 09:30.38 | haclusterer | i don't understand |
| 09:30.43 | dutchfish | haclusterer, i cant predict when 7.3 will land in bpo, but likely once Buster has been released |
| 09:30.48 | haclusterer | i think im missing context |
| 09:31.45 | haclusterer | dutchfish, okay cool. but for my understanding, there is noting stopping the devs from adding it right now, right? |
| 09:31.55 | dutchfish | haclusterer, you can think of this, once a new Debian release has arrived, many packages from the new stable will land in old-stable through bpo. |
| 09:32.13 | dutchfish | haclusterer, when there is a real need, it will prolly end up in bpo |
| 09:32.39 | dutchfish | haclusterer, since php is used eveywhere, your changes are good |
| 09:32.39 | haclusterer | okay, got it, thanks |
| 09:33.54 | themill | haclusterer: yes, I have buster in production in a few places already |
| 09:34.19 | themill | and no, php packages are highly unlikely to land in stretch-backports |
| 09:35.45 | haclusterer | themill: i think I'll wait |
| 09:35.52 | haclusterer | why is it unlikely? |
| 09:36.39 | themill | because the person most likely to make the backports has already uploaded them to sury.org |
| 09:37.14 | dutchfish | https://tecadmin.net/install-php-debian-9-stretch/ |
| 09:38.19 | dutchfish | themill, is Buster that close to release? |
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| 09:40.00 | themill | a couple of months |
| 09:40.09 | dutchfish | ah ok |
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| 09:42.00 | dutchfish | i based my assumptions on https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 09:44.26 | joze | ls |
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| 09:48.57 | themill | dutchfish: yeah, it's close. The difficulty is that it's only the hard bugs left to fix ;) |
| 09:50.04 | dutchfish | themill, ok. i am more worried about rc bugs that didnt get reported. Thanks for the info. |
| 09:51.05 | themill | well, there's always plenty of unreported rc bugs.... that's why the number in stretch has gone from ~0 to 770 over the past 2 years. |
| 09:51.23 | dutchfish | right |
| 09:51.45 | themill | (some of those are just not version tracked and stretch might not actually be buggy, but the same version in stretch is) |
| 09:51.53 | themill | err "in buster is" |
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| 10:55.47 | M6HZ | Hello, does someone know what I'm neglecting with this? I'm trying to `pgrep firefox-esr`, but nothing is printed unless I add the option "-f". Then the full path of the executable is printed: '[PID] /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr [ARGS]'. - Why is that? If "firefox-esr" is the executable name, then why do I have to pass "-f"? |
| 10:56.14 | M6HZ | I've noticed that '/proc/PID/status' reports on its first line: "Name: Web Content" instead of "firefox-esr", which is also how the command "ps" reports it. Meaning that I'm able to select this process with `pgrep "Web Content"` instead of `pgrep "firefox-esr"`. But, I cannot select this process with `ps -C "Web Content"` nor with `ps -C "Web Content"`. Do you know why? |
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| 11:13.28 | EdePopede | are the files in /etc/init.d meant to be modified? usage of weblog is commented out for webfs though it checks for its existence by sourcing the .conf anyway. |
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| 11:15.56 | live1 | Hello! I've got a problem. |
| 11:16.10 | EdePopede | M6HZ, that's weird. with and without -f i get the PID only, `ps | grep` only shows my esr when looking for firefox. not even when i copypaste from the output it works with firefox-esr |
| 11:16.33 | EdePopede | live1: that's why you're here i suppose |
| 11:16.44 | live1 | Yes. Of course. |
| 11:17.00 | live1 | I'll wait a bit then I'll post my question. |
| 11:17.16 | EdePopede | !ask |
| 11:17.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:17.45 | EdePopede | someone posted this one yesterday, also a nice reading https://mikeash.com/getting_answers.html |
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| 11:21.56 | ryouba | hi! for older boxes still running jessie, is there an example sources.list that has the recommended lines in it? |
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| 11:22.41 | live1 | EdePopede: Thanks for the link. Reading at the moment. |
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| 11:24.42 | M6HZ | EdePopede: Are you using an uptodate Debian? |
| 11:24.51 | ryouba | nm, just found https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 11:25.01 | humpled | erm |
| 11:25.32 | EdePopede | M6HZ: yip. updated stretch. |
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| 11:25.56 | M6HZ | EdePopede: That's weird. |
| 11:26.40 | M6HZ | EdePopede: Here when I type firefox-esr, the first "binary" excecuted by the shell "/usr/bin/firefox-esr" is a symlink to the real binary "/usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr". Same for you? |
| 11:27.20 | M6HZ | apt-cache policy firefox-esr reports: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1 |
| 11:27.26 | EdePopede | M6HZ: maybe bacause started as "firefox" (you know, that script with the firefox-$REAL thing in it) |
| 11:27.38 | EdePopede | yep |
| 11:27.57 | M6HZ | Oh, alright |
| 11:28.26 | M6HZ | May you try with firefox-esr to check if the problem happens to you too? |
| 11:28.46 | EdePopede | hm, /proc/$PID/cmdline says firefox-esr |
| 11:29.59 | M6HZ | EdePopede: same, now take a look at /proc/PID/{status,stat} |
| 11:30.15 | EdePopede | same as before, only ps|grep works now |
| 11:30.39 | M6HZ | What do you mean? |
| 11:32.05 | EdePopede | i get it with `ps | grep firefox-esr` now too |
| 11:32.10 | EdePopede | erm, ps ax |
| 11:32.20 | M6HZ | Can you try with pgrep? |
| 11:32.22 | EdePopede | restarted again with firefox, and now... |
| 11:32.24 | EdePopede | 00000010 4e 6c 20 20 20 20 30 3a 31 37 20 66 69 72 65 66 |Nl 0:17 firef| |
| 11:32.24 | EdePopede | 00000020 6f 78 2d 65 73 72 0a 31 37 30 37 36 20 70 74 73 |ox-esr.17076 pts| |
| 11:32.45 | EdePopede | looks like 'firefox-esr' would be the actual string, so why doesn't grep catch it? |
| 11:33.10 | M6HZ | "pgrep" not grep. |
| 11:33.30 | humpled | so confusing |
| 11:34.15 | M6HZ | humpled: Are you experiencing this strangeness too? |
| 11:34.29 | EdePopede | ok, ps and grep look ok. now. whatever Oo |
| 11:34.50 | humpled | i can't tell what you are saying |
| 11:35.46 | M6HZ | humpled: here is what I've sent: [06:55] <M6HZ> Hello, does someone know what I'm neglecting with this? I'm trying to `pgrep firefox-esr`, but nothing is printed unless I add the option "-f". Then the full path of the executable is printed: '[PID] /usr/ lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr [ARGS]'. - Why is that? If "firefox-esr" is the executable name, then why do I have to pass "-f"? |
| 11:35.55 | M6HZ | [06:56] <M6HZ> I've noticed that '/proc/PID/status' reports on its first line: "Name: Web Content" instead of "firefox-esr", which is also how the command "ps" reports it. Meaning that I'm able to select this process wi th `pgrep "Web Content"` instead of `pgrep "firefox-esr"`. But, I cannot select this process with `ps -C "Web Content"` nor with `ps -C "Web Content"`. Do you know why? |
| 11:35.57 | EdePopede | status -> Name: firefox-esr |
| 11:36.08 | M6HZ | EdePopede: wow |
| 11:36.14 | EdePopede | how do you start it? |
| 11:36.30 | M6HZ | I think that chromium started it I don't know how. |
| 11:37.09 | M6HZ | Yes, there is chromium's garbage in /proc/PID/environ of the proc. |
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| 11:38.33 | EdePopede | chromium starting firefox? |
| 11:38.40 | M6HZ | Apparently yes. |
| 11:39.00 | EdePopede | a handler for some web content maybe? |
| 11:39.08 | M6HZ | I could not tell. |
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| 11:39.48 | EdePopede | always starts the fox from within screen and only has some other browser for the inevitable "view help" buttons in dialogs |
| 11:40.58 | EdePopede | i also have strange names in htop sometimes, mostly to due to upgrades without restart afterwards |
| 11:41.19 | EdePopede | but sometimes i couldn't figure it out, why this would happen |
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| 11:42.28 | EdePopede | sdpam atm, binary points to /lib/systemd/systemd (deleted) |
| 11:43.36 | humpled | pgrep -f doesn't give me any commandline, only the pid |
| 11:43.43 | EdePopede | yep |
| 11:44.27 | M6HZ | humpled: sure, add the argument "-a" |
| 11:44.45 | EdePopede | humpled: pgrep only *looks* in the cmdline for the string, doesn't print it |
| 11:45.41 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.59 | EdePopede | `pgrep -f systemd` is a good example. some more entries than w/o the `-f` |
| 11:49.43 | M6HZ | EdePopede, humpled If you want pgrep to report the command line, use `pgrep -fa firefox-esr` |
| 11:50.25 | M6HZ | I'm trying to figure out how chromium could have started firefox-esr so you can try to reproduce the issue. |
| 11:51.42 | humpled | i don't have chromium |
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| 12:02.44 | EdePopede | M6HZ: i'd look into its handlers, everything that is external is suspicious |
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| 12:03.09 | EdePopede | M6HZ: especially look for things like exo-open or similar. btw, do you use xfce? |
| 12:04.06 | M6HZ | Alright I've found out how it started. First it starts `xdg-email`, which starts `xdg-open`, which starts `x-www-browser`, which starts `Web Content` (firefox-esr). Since there is "mailto:[EMAIL]" in argument for these processes, it appears that chromium indirectly forks a firefox-esr process to deal with e-mails. |
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| 12:06.32 | EdePopede | that's nuts. btw, what does `touch file.ts && xdg-open file.ts` do for you? |
| 12:07.08 | EdePopede | there are so many levels of handling on modern desktops, that's just meh |
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| 12:11.53 | M6HZ | EdePopede: I do not use xfce, but bspwm. |
| 12:12.18 | humpled | :D |
| 12:12.33 | EdePopede | oh, looks rather new |
| 12:12.46 | humpled | wonder what happened to live1 |
| 12:12.51 | live1 | I'm here. |
| 12:13.03 | EdePopede | M6HZ: why i ask, xfce has exo-open which is broken when it comes to filetype sniffing |
| 12:14.03 | EdePopede | yay, it is even in stretch. looks good btw |
| 12:14.30 | live1 | One reboot and I'll leave a reply. Be right back. |
| 12:14.41 | humpled | ok good luck ;) |
| 12:14.50 | M6HZ | EdePopede: xdg-open [file].ts runs mplayer here, which is weird since `xdg-mime query default text/vnd.trolltech.linguist` (which is the format reported by `xdg-mime query filetype [FILE].ts) reports no default applications. |
| 12:16.02 | EdePopede | heh. exo starts libreoffice here (iirc it thinks it is some kind of message file), while with some shorter segments (6s or even 4s long instead of the usual 10s) it often passes it to firefox. |
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| 12:17.26 | haclusterer | hello everyone |
| 12:18.02 | haclusterer | are there known issues with cifs and acl? |
| 12:18.36 | M6HZ | EdePopede: Anyway, you could try to reproduce it by typing: `xdg-email mailto:[EMAIL]` |
| 12:18.46 | M6HZ | haclusterer: What is the problem you are experiencing? |
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| 12:19.23 | EdePopede | and the xdg-mime manpage is crap |
| 12:19.28 | watom | hey. i get wget in buster to download files really slow. it hang often. any idea? |
| 12:19.48 | EdePopede | query filetype FILE: Returns the file type of FILE in the form of a MIME type. <-- nope. it expects a mimetype, not a filename |
| 12:20.19 | EdePopede | watom: your internet connection, throttling on the server? how does curl behave? |
| 12:20.28 | haclusterer | I set up a samba share and mount it on /home/user1. there is a directory called public_html there. I have a web server running as www-data who has rwx access to this folder |
| 12:20.53 | watom | EdePopede: curl is not even working. "SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate" |
| 12:20.54 | EdePopede | watom, you could try to download some testfile some providers have on their servers, like 1GB of random data |
| 12:20.58 | haclusterer | but I'm unable to read nor write into that folder |
| 12:21.05 | haclusterer | as www-data |
| 12:21.08 | watom | EdePopede: nope is on any server the issue. |
| 12:21.29 | EdePopede | watom: then it *may* be your connection |
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| 12:21.48 | EdePopede | you could still try with say live stretch to see if it is distro specific |
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| 12:23.01 | haclusterer | M6HZ, if i give 0+rwx it works |
| 12:23.09 | haclusterer | *o+rwx |
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| 12:24.06 | live1 | Hello. I didn't fix my problem completely. I fixed a part of the problem. |
| 12:24.09 | M6HZ | haclusterer: I don't know what it could be. Stupid question: Have you tried the #samba channel? |
| 12:24.31 | haclusterer | M6HZ, nope, will do |
| 12:24.44 | M6HZ | haclusterer: Good luck. |
| 12:24.45 | EdePopede | haclusterer: you have a login shell for user www-data? if you `touch` a file to say /tmp while you can't write into that folder, who is the owner of this file? |
| 12:25.15 | live1 | Who needs graphical desktop anways? |
| 12:25.35 | EdePopede | or maybe into /home/user1 |
| 12:25.59 | haclusterer | EdePopede, how do you mean? have no login shell but "sudo -u www-data" was not able to touch in cifs |
| 12:26.12 | haclusterer | while it was able to do so on the samba server... which is wired since |
| 12:26.13 | EdePopede | live1: people who don't want to live with lynx|elinks|links2 and irssi|weechat only. and playing videos into fb |
| 12:26.24 | haclusterer | I set up acl on the client |
| 12:27.08 | haclusterer | the user of the file when executing "sudo -u www-data /home/user1/public_html/test" was... www-data |
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| 12:33.09 | EdePopede | could imagine it is a samba thing. the httpd runs on the server with full access to the directory which is local for it. you sudo on the client which does not give you access on the share. maybe you'd have to import it as the user in question or tell the server that your local www-data user is the same as the one on the server or something |
| 12:34.00 | EdePopede | i think i've read a long time ago something about the need to use the same account locally that you'd use on the server with some windows networking stuff |
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| 12:37.17 | haclusterer | I've read similar things to but thought it wouldn't apply in a linux only network |
| 12:37.23 | haclusterer | but let me check that |
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| 12:38.13 | haclusterer | user id and name on server are same as on client |
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| 12:44.13 | live1 | Modifying startx it is... |
| 12:46.45 | haclusterer | turns out: on samba server i can create a new file "test" but nether read nor write index.php |
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| 12:47.46 | EdePopede | in the same folder? and what about the access rights for those files? as in `ls -l test index.php` |
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| 12:50.42 | haclusterer | -rw-rw----+ 1 www-data www-data 0 Mai 11 14:44 test |
| 12:50.45 | haclusterer | -rw-------+ 1 1001 1001 21 Mai 11 13:31 index.php |
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| 12:51.27 | haclusterer | never mind the 1001.. is just user id of user1 on samba server.. user does not exist on client :) but isn't needed anyway |
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| 12:52.11 | haclusterer | I just found out, that the reason I cannot write into this file is probably because samba user restriction ensuring that only user1 can write to file... |
| 12:52.53 | haclusterer | but I will check this later.. currently I'm more interested in reading.. which should work regardless of that option |
| 12:52.59 | EdePopede | so the php belongs to user1 and not to www-data. sure you can't even read then as www-data |
| 12:53.48 | EdePopede | the system itself won't let you access it as www-data. if it would you should consider it broken ;) |
| 12:54.28 | haclusterer | there is also this line in the output of getfacl: |
| 12:54.40 | haclusterer | user:www-data:rwx #effective:--- |
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| 12:55.04 | haclusterer | which means, that acl knows that it is being ignored? |
| 12:58.59 | haclusterer | hmmm interesting.. this seams to be part of the samba config somehow.. |
| 12:59.07 | haclusterer | let me google some more |
| 12:59.08 | tds | haclusterer: what's the full getfacl output? (or the mask in particular?) |
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| 12:59.48 | haclusterer | # file: test |
| 12:59.49 | haclusterer | # owner: www-data |
| 12:59.49 | haclusterer | # group: www-data |
| 12:59.49 | haclusterer | user::rw- |
| 12:59.49 | haclusterer | user:www-data:rwx #effective:rw- |
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| 13:00.29 | tds | might want to pastebin that! |
| 13:00.35 | haclusterer | did it come through? |
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| 13:00.41 | tds | not all of it |
| 13:01.04 | haclusterer | https://pastebin.com/iT3WEjmc |
| 13:01.56 | tds | oh, that looks ok now (compared to #effective:--- earlier) |
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| 13:03.18 | haclusterer | yes this is the test file owned by www-data... which i cannot access with www-data |
| 13:04.37 | tds | does www-data have at least execute on the entire directory tree above this file? |
| 13:05.03 | haclusterer | yes.. implemented with o+x |
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| 13:08.26 | live1 | Okay, moving on with my problem... Starting graphical desktop now works! Now just to remove the login screen and to be greeted with a terminal and we're all set! |
| 13:08.56 | live1 | Sorry to jump in. |
| 13:09.00 | humpled | only one terminal :| |
| 13:09.22 | live1 | One to seven. |
| 13:12.19 | tds | haclusterer: dumb suggestion, but if you give it at least +r on the directory as well, can www-data even list the files? |
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| 13:13.18 | haclusterer | let me check |
| 13:13.46 | haclusterer | yes he can |
| 13:14.04 | laptop | hi why is it when I encrypt my harddrive that my memory usuage goes up |
| 13:14.14 | tds | weird |
| 13:14.22 | haclusterer | idk |
| 13:14.29 | tds | I didn't even realise that samba had full acl support though, so I'd be tempted to blame it |
| 13:15.17 | haclusterer | yes I'm quiet sure its a samba issue... the irc has been very silent though |
| 13:16.18 | M6HZ | EdePopede: You told me that you weren't experiencing the issue when you were directly invoking "firefox-esr" or "firefox" right? |
| 13:16.40 | laptop | which is better firefox-esr vs firefox for an older machine more memory efficient |
| 13:17.42 | haclusterer | from a security standpoint, would it be stupid to have the folder owned by www-data? |
| 13:17.59 | haclusterer | sorry i mean the group |
| 13:18.12 | haclusterer | owner: user1 group:www-data |
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| 13:19.13 | tds | btw, what options were you mounting it with? |
| 13:19.23 | tds | since you can definitely tweak what permissions takes place on the client and/or server with those |
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| 13:20.56 | EdePopede | M6HZ: running as `firefox &` now and pgrep shows the PID |
| 13:20.57 | haclusterer | fstab: //192.168.*.***/user1 /home/user1 cifs username=user1,password=**** 0 0 |
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| 13:21.18 | M6HZ | EdePopede: How do you use pgrep? |
| 13:21.52 | haclusterer | pretty standard |
| 13:22.03 | tds | and are permissions set so that user1 can read this file at all? |
| 13:22.16 | tds | since I think that's neccessary if you're mounting the share as user1 |
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| 13:24.16 | EdePopede | M6HZ: usually i don't but i tried all the combinations now. -a gives me the name, -f doesn't have any effect, since i start esr from the shell (even if using the script) |
| 13:24.31 | M6HZ | Send the full command please. |
| 13:25.06 | M6HZ | What pgrep -a firefox does? |
| 13:25.27 | zbychuk | I am trying to setup monit, but it is not starting its http interface |
| 13:25.41 | zbychuk | I configured it as: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-and-configure-monit-on-debian-9/ |
| 13:25.48 | zbychuk | But: netstat -ant | grep :2812 displays nothing |
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| 13:26.55 | haclusterer | yes user1 has full access to this folder |
| 13:27.24 | tds | including the test file? |
| 13:27.26 | haclusterer | apart from the test file which belongs to www-data |
| 13:27.47 | rant | haclusterer: will more than one person be using that system? |
| 13:27.48 | haclusterer | but thats actually an interesting point.. i can test acl on that file! |
| 13:28.06 | tds | from a quick read of the mount.cifs man page, I _think_ the client will do checks against the unix permissions there, and the server will do acl checks against the user that mounted the share |
| 13:29.03 | M6HZ | EdePopede: ? |
| 13:32.28 | EdePopede | M6HZ: -f -a, everything. works as expected in the manpage now. no idea what the problem was before. |
| 13:32.55 | EdePopede | pgrep -a firefox -> 16922 firefox-esr |
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| 13:33.34 | haclusterer | rant, yes |
| 13:34.03 | rant | haclusterer: putting your credentials in fstab is about the same as putting them on a post-it note on the monitor |
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| 13:34.20 | haclusterer | probably worse |
| 13:34.31 | haclusterer | its not going to stay there |
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| 13:34.51 | live1 | Just so you know - I've fixed my problem. |
| 13:34.57 | M6HZ | EdePopede: alright, then you don't get the same results on your machine than the ones I get on mine. |
| 13:35.17 | tds | haclusterer: what are you actually trying to do, autofs mounts per user but then also running a webserver serving out of home directories or something? |
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| 13:35.33 | rant | haclusterer: as for the permissions, that group needs permissions all the way.. not just to that file.. but also its parent directory and such |
| 13:35.53 | haclusterer | tds, pretty much |
| 13:36.00 | tds | rant: I think haclusterer claimed those were in place already? |
| 13:36.18 | rant | idk I just woke up and looked in..and working on my own issues |
| 13:36.22 | tds | well, I suppose they must be if www-data can list the contents of the directory |
| 13:36.24 | tds | :) |
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| 13:37.26 | M6HZ | EdePopede: what is the return of the command `which firefox` please? |
| 13:37.29 | haclusterer | rant, you are replying to setting group to www-data, right? |
| 13:37.38 | M6HZ | EdePopede: and `which firefox-esr` |
| 13:37.51 | rant | my problem is I wrote a lil link handler that will parse any news link to a text article and open it in an editor, send any youtube url to youtube-dl piped to mplayer, and pass any other link on to a browser.. but I can't figure out how to get this in place to intercept links from mate-terminal |
| 13:38.01 | EdePopede | /usr/bin/firefox and -esr, as expected |
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| 13:38.53 | rant | none of gconf, mime, or alternatives seem to be in play here :P |
| 13:39.18 | M6HZ | EdePopede: And /usr/bin/firefox-esr is a symlink to /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr right? |
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| 13:39.48 | rant | the System>Prefs>Personal>Perferred Applications seems to control it but for web browser it only has a drop down with web browsers.. |
| 13:40.08 | rant | and I'm trying to avoide renaming my web browser's binary and linking it to this script |
| 13:40.32 | EdePopede | M6HZ: yep |
| 13:40.47 | M6HZ | EdePopede: what `apt-cache policy firefox-esr` returns? |
| 13:41.48 | EdePopede | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1083376 |
| 13:41.59 | haclusterer | I'm giving up for today, thanks folks |
| 13:42.23 | M6HZ | EdePopede: Well, contrary to what you had said, it looks like your system is not uptodate. |
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| 13:42.47 | EdePopede | it is, only i'm stuck with the old esr |
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| 13:43.03 | M6HZ | EdePopede: That could change a lot of things. |
| 13:43.18 | EdePopede | but i don't think they broke their system handling the default firefox thing with the new one |
| 13:43.33 | M6HZ | EdePopede: There is only one way to know. |
| 13:43.43 | EdePopede | looking into the postinst ;) |
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| 13:44.44 | tds | haclusterer: just as a heads up the samba channel is normally very quiet, leave your irc client/bouncer/whatever going and you might hear back eventually :) |
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| 13:53.08 | JordiGH | What's that thing to check if a simple sid backport will be simple? |
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| 13:55.03 | M6HZ | EdePopede: now that I'm starting `firefox-esr` directly from the command line, `pgrep firefox-esr` reports one pid while `pgrep -f firefox-esr` reports three pids because it counts the render processes. Does it work like that for you too? |
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| 13:56.03 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: ,judd checkbackport srcpackage --fromrelease sid --torelease stable |
| 13:56.11 | SerajewelKS | erm |
| 13:56.13 | SerajewelKS | no jidd |
| 13:56.19 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: ,checkbackport srcpackage --fromrelease sid --torelease stable |
| 13:56.23 | SerajewelKS | god i can't type this morning |
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| 13:56.29 | EdePopede | M6HZ: nope, only one |
| 13:56.59 | M6HZ | EdePopede: even with pgrep -f ? |
| 13:57.15 | JordiGH | ,checkbackport obs-studio --fromrelease sid --torelease stable |
| 13:57.25 | judd | Backporting package obs-studio in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libxcb-xinput-dev. |
| 13:57.39 | EdePopede | M6HZ: yep |
| 13:57.53 | EdePopede | let me check with 66 |
| 13:58.14 | M6HZ | EdePopede: alright, could be interesting to know if it would still be the case once you would have updated your system. |
| 13:58.55 | SerajewelKS | ,checkbackport libxcb --fromrelease sid --torelease stable |
| 13:58.56 | judd | Backporting package libxcb in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: xcb-proto (>= 1.13). |
| 13:59.09 | JordiGH | Yeah, already did that. Looks like there's two packages I'd have to do first. |
| 13:59.13 | SerajewelKS | ,checkbackport xcb-proto --fromrelease sid --torelease stable |
| 13:59.14 | judd | Backporting package xcb-proto in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 13:59.20 | SerajewelKS | yeah could be doable |
| 14:01.02 | EdePopede | M6HZ, as expected: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1083380 |
| 14:01.29 | EdePopede | the list in htop was a bit surprising the first time i had the new one running. |
| 14:01.56 | EdePopede | gah, firefox became nagware |
| 14:02.02 | M6HZ | EdePopede: Don't you see that you are experiencing the same thing that I'm describing? |
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| 14:04.40 | EdePopede | this was not esr, so i searched for firefox, not -esr. let me check which newer esr i have here |
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| 14:06.23 | M6HZ | EdePopede: sure, it is not the esr version, but you are still experiencing what I was talking about. |
| 14:06.27 | M6HZ | EdePopede: check the very two last lines of what you've sent. |
| 14:06.45 | M6HZ | Only one PID reported with the last command. |
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| 14:07.41 | M6HZ | EdePopede: While you get many PIDs reported with pgrep -fa |
| 14:07.57 | eblip | test |
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| 14:10.18 | EdePopede | M6HZ: sure. the one without -f is the main process, the other ones are those "-contentproc" things |
| 14:11.09 | M6HZ | That's what I was saying in the last part, when it comes to invoke firefox directly. |
| 14:11.19 | M6HZ | EdePopede: Have you tried with esr ? |
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| 14:14.46 | EdePopede | i just found out that the directory where 60esr should be is empty -.- |
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| 14:17.09 | EdePopede | the process name is firefox-bin for the others, so that's why i'd say |
| 14:17.28 | EdePopede | only it doesn't seem to accept wildcards |
| 14:18.04 | EdePopede | pgrep 'firefox*' still only shows one |
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| 14:22.59 | n_1-c_k | EdePopede: try 'firefox.+'? The pattern's a regex. |
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| 14:26.20 | EdePopede | without -f only that one process appears. whatever regex i add. . or not, + or * |
| 14:27.16 | M6HZ | EdePopede: That's it. |
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| 14:27.33 | EdePopede | even pgrep 'firefox-' shows me only the main process |
| 14:27.40 | EdePopede | 24468 /usr/local/lib/mozilla/firefox-67.0b8/firefox --profile /tmp/firefox/system/ |
| 14:27.45 | M6HZ | EdePopede: And now. If you try with `x-www-browser` not any PID should appear. |
| 14:27.49 | EdePopede | but none of the firefox-bin processes |
| 14:28.06 | EdePopede | i think i never used this thing |
| 14:28.40 | M6HZ | I will apparently exec firefox-esr |
| 14:29.34 | EdePopede | points to netsurf for me, installed it to get rid of the annoying browserautoopen crap |
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| 14:30.17 | M6HZ | Ok |
| 14:31.59 | EdePopede | htop says └─ x-www-browser |
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| 14:32.12 | EdePopede | and in the links view for the process... |
| 14:32.24 | EdePopede | txt REG 0x802 5069032 538105 /usr/bin/netsurf-gtk |
| 14:33.17 | M6HZ | EdePopede: type: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 14:35.02 | EdePopede | only the $proc/exe links to the netsurf binary |
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| 14:36.44 | EdePopede | M6HZ: wouldn't change anything. a link is redirected, that's all. |
| 14:36.59 | M6HZ | What do you mean?? |
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| 14:37.34 | EdePopede | if firefox or netsurf or whatever, x-www-browser is the term to search for if that link is used to start it |
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| 14:39.40 | M6HZ | Yes, I know that. I gave you the tool to modify the browser to which x-www-browser is linked in order for you to experience by yourself what we were talking about. |
| 14:40.19 | EdePopede | i just did, only with another browser |
| 14:40.38 | M6HZ | How is that relevant to do it with another browser? |
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| 14:41.27 | EdePopede | and to have the *exact* issue you have, i'd have to install chrome and have the mail handler point to the default browser |
| 14:41.43 | M6HZ | No! |
| 14:41.53 | M6HZ | You just have to run x-www-browser |
| 14:41.55 | M6HZ | that's all. |
| 14:41.56 | EdePopede | you don't start $browser with its own name, so it doesn't appear |
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| 14:42.11 | EdePopede | what starts netsurf here, as i said |
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| 14:42.29 | EdePopede | me: netsurf starts -> no netsurf found |
| 14:42.40 | EdePopede | you: firefox starts -> no firefox found |
| 14:42.48 | EdePopede | same in green |
| 14:43.03 | M6HZ | great |
| 14:43.24 | EdePopede | even when using "x-www-browser" in the shell |
| 14:44.09 | EdePopede | grab the pid and look where "exe" links to to get the actual binary. no idea what else could work |
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| 14:47.57 | M6HZ | EdePopede: So we agree now, this is weird right? |
| 14:48.17 | EdePopede | i don't even get netsurf with ps, though its 3 option groups always gives me headache |
| 14:48.55 | M6HZ | with ps, you normally want to use -C to select a process by its name. |
| 14:49.00 | annadane | i'm a little confused with dpkg's confmiss factoid, can anyone be a bit more verbose? i mean, it says that you have to explicitly tell the packaging system to reinstall config files, but aren't config files generated regardless depending on the user? the longer you use a program, config files tend to get generated... |
| 14:49.34 | EdePopede | it's the design, maybe there is a switch to show the REAL executable, maybe there's also some other hint than the symlink /proc/$PID/exe, but that would be a kernel thing and thus docs on ftp.kernel.org |
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| 14:50.13 | karlpinc | annadane: I assume that confmiss is about using the "reinstall" option of aptitude/etc. |
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| 14:50.47 | annadane | ah, that makes sense |
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| 14:50.54 | karlpinc | annadane: The point being that apt does not overwrite config files, even if because you deleted them. |
| 14:51.07 | EdePopede | and for /etc only, not $HOME. |
| 14:51.14 | karlpinc | right |
| 14:51.23 | EdePopede | purging first would be the other option i guess? |
| 14:51.40 | karlpinc | Yes, and then installing again. |
| 14:51.51 | hexnewbie | How do you list all packages that works-with::network-traffic |
| 14:51.55 | annadane | yeah so !confmiss is for apt install --reinstall foo |
| 14:52.04 | annadane | i might edit that factoid, it's pretty unclear |
| 14:52.35 | EdePopede | makes me think of windows registry and (time)limited shareware. the dumb appoach (from the vendor's sight) would be to remove all related entries including the "you must register now" hint |
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| 14:53.59 | karlpinc | hexnewbie: I always read the html aptitude docs for searching, found in file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html I'm sure there's other ways. |
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| 14:54.02 | EdePopede | hexnewbie: debtags search 'tag1 && tag2 ...' |
| 14:54.51 | hexnewbie | karlpinc: That's like 200 KB unsearchable HTML for something that ought to be a link somewhere |
| 14:55.00 | karlpinc | hexnewbie: Yes. It sucks. |
| 14:55.18 | karlpinc | hexnewbie: But EdePopede is right, it's all done, ultimately, via debtags. |
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| 14:55.52 | hexnewbie | EdePopede: Thanks, that works :) |
| 14:56.01 | EdePopede | hf :) |
| 14:56.22 | karlpinc | hf? |
| 14:56.46 | EdePopede | have fun. (with debian, in particular the cli tools, and the shell generally) |
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| 15:04.48 | truexfan81 | whats the easiest to use WM on debian buster? i'm trying to make my old netbook user, and even xfce is too heavy for it |
| 15:05.02 | truexfan81 | s/user/usable/ |
| 15:05.44 | karlpinc | truexfan81: Make sure you have enough swap configured so unused ram can be freed. |
| 15:06.01 | truexfan81 | it has 1GB ram and 4GB swap |
| 15:06.15 | karlpinc | That sounds like plenty. |
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| 15:06.24 | truexfan81 | sadly its running a 5400 rpm hdd tho |
| 15:06.25 | petn-randall | xfce should run fin on 1 GB RAM. |
| 15:06.29 | petn-randall | *fine |
| 15:06.39 | truexfan81 | yeah, i think its just the hdd slowing it down |
| 15:06.41 | petn-randall | Though any modern browsers will likely suck more RAM. |
| 15:06.43 | annadane | icewm/openbox are very minimal options |
| 15:06.55 | truexfan81 | i'd put an ssd in it if i could |
| 15:07.00 | annadane | (i keep recommending obox but just remembered icewm is also minimal) |
| 15:07.09 | truexfan81 | but to get to the hdd you have to completely disassemble the thing |
| 15:07.30 | truexfan81 | so of icewm and openbox which is easiest to use? |
| 15:07.33 | EdePopede | also wm2 and wmii, and bspwm has just been mentioned |
| 15:07.45 | annadane | icewm is slightly easier to use, it has an actual start menu iirc |
| 15:08.04 | annadane | openbox really just literally drops you off on a blank screen with no panels or anything |
| 15:08.18 | karlpinc | truexfan81: And check your kernel logs/dmesg output to be sure that there's no missing video non-free firmware. That can cause fallback to something slower. |
| 15:08.29 | truexfan81 | kk i think i'll do an install, and manually install xorg and icewm |
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| 15:08.47 | truexfan81 | karlpinc: intel gma950 graphics, pretty sure thats in the kernel |
| 15:10.09 | EdePopede | btw, `apt-cache show` reads from /var/lib/apt/lists? |
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| 15:11.10 | karlpinc | !tell truexfan81 about firmware images |
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| 15:11.22 | truexfan81 | you know what i could actually do if i wanted to make this netbook feel fast? |
| 15:11.34 | truexfan81 | not install xorg, and just use lynx |
| 15:11.40 | truexfan81 | lol |
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| 15:12.03 | annadane | yeeeah but that's boring |
| 15:12.08 | truexfan81 | lol |
| 15:12.44 | abrock | I have a problem with my laptop: after booting I get a black screen instead of the expected login screen |
| 15:13.09 | karlpinc | abrock: The installer worked? |
| 15:13.46 | karlpinc | abrock: Has it never worked, or is this something that used to work and then failed? |
| 15:13.50 | abrock | yes, the laptop also worked fine before. Also <ctr><alt><f1> gets me a terminal |
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| 15:14.09 | karlpinc | (work with debian) |
| 15:14.27 | EdePopede | truexfan81: elinks -g at least (or browsh) and cacalib for tv :) |
| 15:14.39 | EdePopede | (or links2?) |
| 15:14.47 | abrock | and I can type in my username, password, open a terminal and type "touch file", this creates the file in my user's home directory |
| 15:15.06 | karlpinc | abrock: Did you just install debian and now it does not work? |
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| 15:15.19 | abrock | I#ve been using debian for a logn time |
| 15:15.23 | abrock | it just now failed |
| 15:15.31 | truexfan81 | EdePopede: cacalib? lol i swear linux has some of the funniest lib names |
| 15:15.48 | EdePopede | i guess it is a pun on the old aalib ;) |
| 15:16.16 | EdePopede | and should you really.... http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/05/21/a-day-without-x/ |
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| 15:16.24 | thePiGrepper | truexfan81: what model is your netbook btw? |
| 15:16.33 | truexfan81 | acer aoa 150 |
| 15:16.42 | truexfan81 | like i said its old |
| 15:17.10 | truexfan81 | EdePopede: i'm quite comfortable with the linux cli |
| 15:17.21 | abrock | http://paste.debian.net/1083382 this is the Xorg.0.log |
| 15:17.54 | abrock | I read that starting with "nomodeset" kernel option might help, no difference |
| 15:18.04 | truexfan81 | EdePopede: so comfortable in fact that i've made a couple of arch VMs on my pc |
| 15:19.15 | karlpinc | does not know what the systemd unit is for X, to see if it is running |
| 15:19.16 | EdePopede | truexfan81: firefox and mplayer. everything else is text based here (ok, hexchat, but this only because i didn't make it to irssi when i had the idea years ago. i simply consider irc being text) |
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| 15:19.43 | truexfan81 | why mplayer? mpv is so much better |
| 15:20.14 | EdePopede | i'm used to it |
| 15:20.34 | EdePopede | waiting for buster first |
| 15:20.34 | karlpinc | truexfan81: I'm using an acer aspire 1 as a X server. It does ok (but for some reason gets only about 1 fps of video when I upgraded to stretch. I'm hoping buster fixes this.) |
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| 15:21.18 | truexfan81 | karlpinc: on mine with buster and xfce i can watch youtube so long as i don't fullscreen the video |
| 15:21.19 | karlpinc | abrock: Does ps say Xorg is running? |
| 15:21.46 | thePiGrepper | truexfan81: Im right now writing on a latitude 2100. currently using full wayland/sway + suckless programs as much as possible |
| 15:22.33 | truexfan81 | i'm typing from my windows 10 pc lol but i'll be putting linux on it some day, probably debian |
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| 15:22.59 | abrock | karlpinc: pstree: http://paste.debian.net/1083383 |
| 15:23.02 | thePiGrepper | Im using around 100M after booting so that could work for you as well |
| 15:23.30 | abrock | karlpinc: yes, it's running |
| 15:23.50 | truexfan81 | i do admit i am curious how debian buster would react to my gpu |
| 15:23.59 | truexfan81 | nvidia RTX 2060 |
| 15:24.28 | abrock | <ctrl><alt><f7> switches first to a black screen, then the backlight turns on |
| 15:24.46 | whats0ns | that will look awesome ;) if you install the driver propely |
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| 15:25.11 | karlpinc | abrock: It looks like you're running the nvidia driver. Isn't that the proprietary version? Maybe it needs updating, or has failed with a newer kernel? After a while those proprietary drivers are no longer supported by the vender. You might consider using an open source driver. |
| 15:25.12 | abrock | I tried blacklisting the nvidia module, the nouveau module and both, makes no difference |
| 15:25.38 | FreeBDSM | is it normal/okay/wrong to have 1M biosgrub partition on each physical hdd? or will I get into troubles upon reboot if it's not the only attached disk? |
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| 15:25.52 | karlpinc | abrock: That's a bit strange. I'd think some sort of fallback driver would make _some_ X happen. |
| 15:27.28 | abrock | how can I temporarily disable the nvidia driver? |
| 15:28.08 | thePiGrepper | truexfan81: after taking a look at your netbook's specs, I found out that you can actually up your ram to 1.5GB(replace your current 512M DDR2 with a 1GB one). that change and the SSD upgrade will get you a fine machine(for a netbook ofc lol) |
| 15:28.22 | karlpinc | abrock: I don't know. I only ever poke X with a stick to get it to work. |
| 15:28.58 | truexfan81 | thePiGrepper: i don't use the netbook enough to be worth all that tho |
| 15:29.16 | karlpinc | FreeBDSM: I don't know. I wouldn't think it'd be a problem. What do you think might go wrong? |
| 15:29.25 | truexfan81 | ddr2 is expensive, and to get to the hdd you have to take the keyboard off, remove the speakers, and the mobo |
| 15:29.56 | FreeBDSM | karlpinc: an update would update only 1 grub's table |
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| 15:30.17 | karlpinc | abrock: I'd think you could always uninstall it (purge it) and then re-install. |
| 15:30.19 | FreeBDSM | I mean an os update where the kernel gets an update - this usually results into grub-update |
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| 15:30.46 | thePiGrepper | hmm, I see. you could always buy another laptop a get the ram from it? my 2100 cost me $30, so I bought 2. and a cheap ssd is around 30bucks as well |
| 15:30.48 | karlpinc | FreeBDSM: Yes, if you want to keep all the disks synchronized then you'll have to do "something". |
| 15:32.07 | karlpinc | FreeBDSM: You might be able to raid1 them. But it's unclear to me exactly how you'd tell grub that you want it to update via the raid. Sounds doable. |
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| 15:32.18 | thePiGrepper | anyway, you should try sway, its a very lightweight WM |
| 15:32.21 | truexfan81 | ok so in tasksel i unticked everything, so this should give me a basic cli only install yes? |
| 15:32.23 | FreeBDSM | I don't want to raid them |
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| 15:33.52 | karlpinc | FreeBDSM: I'm thinking lvm and then raid (or maybe raid in lvm -- I forget.) That way you don't raid the actual disks, just the boot partition. I think grub understands lvm these days. All the same, seems overcomplicated. |
| 15:34.27 | FreeBDSM | yeah, I think I'll pass with 2nd grub then... |
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| 15:35.06 | karlpinc | FreeBDSM: There might be a hook in grub (it's so complicated these days) that would let you dd one partition to another. Or do something else to keep everything in sync. |
| 15:35.29 | FreeBDSM | karlpinc: thing is, there's no need for now |
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| 15:35.51 | FreeBDSM | I was just thinking about making this disk ready to be detached and be attached elsewhere |
| 15:36.08 | FreeBDSM | but I now realize I don't plan to have any OS on it, just purely for data |
| 15:36.13 | FreeBDSM | so, it doesn't matter |
| 15:36.33 | tds | FreeBDSM: that should work, if you grub-install on every member disk - putting /boot on mdadm is also possible but requires a bit of fiddling |
| 15:37.41 | truexfan81 | confirmed cli only install and no wifi lol |
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| 16:05.24 | truexfan81 | lovely installing lightdm seems to have broken grub, instead of getting the grub menu i just get a blinking cursor |
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| 16:09.42 | abrock | karlpinc: I remembered that I had version 390 before and now I have 418 so I downgraded nvidia-driver (from testing to stable) but it didn't help |
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| 16:10.06 | truexfan81 | is there some way i can get to a terminal from the netinstall usb so i can chroot in and fix grub? |
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| 16:12.34 | SerajewelKS | truexfan81: installing lightdm should not affect the bootloader in any way at all |
| 16:13.36 | SerajewelKS | truexfan81: the netinstall should have a "rescue mode" that will let you launch a shell chroot'ed into your environment |
| 16:14.22 | truexfan81 | yep it did, booting back into the system now after running update-grub from the chroot |
| 16:15.36 | truexfan81 | appears i'll have to do it again tho and disable lightdm, unless someone can tell me a package name that will install a xorg keyboard driver |
| 16:16.24 | truexfan81 | right now i'm sitting at lightdm login window with mouse working, but no keyboard driver |
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| 16:23.11 | wald0 | Im pretty confused with my swap... I have 8gb and in Wheezy it was never starting to be used until the RAM was full |
| 16:23.38 | wald0 | now in Buster, it's always swapping things and everything feels extremely laggy because of that (while not even 1gb of ram is used) |
| 16:23.58 | wald0 | sysctl settings are of course the same, and I have played with it but not changes |
| 16:24.11 | petn-randall | wald0: Did you upgrade from wheezy straight to buster? |
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| 16:24.27 | wald0 | petn-randall, no, new install |
| 16:25.08 | petn-randall | wald0: I don't think any of the swappiness settings changed between then and now. I can imagine that you have a different set of things installed and that's causing RAM to run out. |
| 16:26.05 | wald0 | I can tell its the same packages (i use a list for the packages that i need), the only thing changed is that they are new (and new kernel, etc), also the filesystem which is btrfs + compression now |
| 16:26.18 | milkt | isn't default swappiness is 60 |
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| 16:27.49 | wald0 | milkt, yes but it doesn't matter, i normally use 10 but even using 0 stills swapping |
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| 16:28.03 | milkt | i see |
| 16:28.49 | wald0 | the situation is so bad (using less than 1 gb of ram) that i constantly need to swapoff the partition (in an attempt to have my lagged terminals to react in around 5 minutes) |
| 16:29.02 | wald0 | question: does anybody here using Buster has the same problem? |
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| 16:29.48 | wald0 | I still have a computer with wheezy, and looking on htop it simply shows 0% of swap used no matter what, all the time... it never fills up unless there's no ram remaining |
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| 16:31.06 | petn-randall | wald0: How much RAM do both systems have? |
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| 16:32.52 | truexfan81 | sighs |
| 16:32.57 | truexfan81 | i don't get it |
| 16:33.04 | truexfan81 | everything working except the keyboard |
| 16:33.33 | wald0 | petn-randall, 8gb, and the machine here in Buster is not even using 1gb |
| 16:33.40 | truexfan81 | keyboard works as long as i don't start the xserver |
| 16:33.52 | truexfan81 | once i start the xserver, no more keyboard |
| 16:33.54 | truexfan81 | please help |
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| 16:34.16 | wald0 | truexfan81, apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-libinput |
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| 16:43.43 | wald0 | petn-randall, milkt, if you ware running the system "newer", did you have your swap used or empty atm ? |
| 16:44.16 | milkt | sorry, i have swap disabled |
| 16:44.25 | truexfan81 | wald0: that fixed it ty |
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| 16:44.53 | truexfan81 | now in icewm installing programs, next goal will be to get wifi working and auto starting |
| 16:45.24 | truexfan81 | am using ethernet for now |
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| 16:46.58 | wald0 | in 15 years of linux*, i NEVER had a good experience with swap, when its used, its worse than not having it |
| 16:47.22 | wald0 | it was good in wheezy just because was not used at all unless the ram is fileed up (and then, is worse than the OOM killer) |
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| 16:50.28 | milkt | clear |
| 16:50.45 | milkt | sorry mistype |
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| 16:51.55 | petn-randall | wald0: A few MB is always used on a typical system. |
| 16:51.58 | wald0 | milkt, try ctrl + L, its faster :) |
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| 16:53.11 | wald0 | petn-randall, unless this system uses considerably the ram, it should not... at least in my (actually running) wheezy machine i can see since hours my swap of 9GB partition mounted but totally empty, 0 |
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| 16:53.55 | wald0 | and here in buster, my swap used, like you are saying, a few MB (why this makes sense at all if im using 1gb over 8gb of ram? no idea!), and these few MB (30 mb) are making my system extremely lagged |
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| 16:55.02 | milkt | wald0, yeah i should use that instead >x< |
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| 17:18.53 | Terrell | test |
| 17:19.13 | Terrell | I cannnot send to channel #debian-offtopic |
| 17:19.22 | Terrell | how do I correct this |
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| 17:21.31 | wald0 | lol #debian in OFTC which is the official has only 350 users, here 1500 |
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| 17:22.11 | Terrell | wald0, I also cant send to #firefox. Possible the same issue? |
| 17:24.06 | jelly | Terrell: some channels require you to register your nickname and identify, to talk. /msg NickServ help register |
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| 17:24.26 | Terrell | jelly my nick is registered |
| 17:24.38 | jelly | your current session is not identified, Terrell |
| 17:24.58 | jelly | /msg NickServ help identify |
| 17:25.06 | Terrell | I tried to re register and nickerv said I'm already registered |
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| 17:25.29 | jelly | you only register once. You identify every time you connect to freenode anew. |
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| 17:26.50 | Terrell | Jelly, let me try again |
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| 17:27.11 | Terrell | jelly, works |
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| 17:27.42 | ryouba | hi |
| 17:28.36 | ryouba | so i f**** up and upgraded to stretch without first converting the postgres 9.4 cluster to 9.6. and now ofc there is only postgresql-9.6 available ... is it still possible to migrate the cluster? |
| 17:29.23 | jelly | ryouba: what do the release notes say about the correct way to upgrade? |
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| 17:30.38 | ryouba | jelly: not sure what you mean ... i only know https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html and that's not helpful |
| 17:31.09 | ryouba | also i hadn't noticed and now already have one database in postgres 9.6 which i don't want to loose |
| 17:31.52 | jelly | I vaguely remember postgres server making a copy of its binaries someplace during the upgrade, and doing a dump and import step |
| 17:32.46 | jelly | did you already have 9.6 before doing jessie->stretch? Do you have logs of the release upgrade process maybe? |
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| 17:34.14 | wald0 | the new grub doesn't shows so easily the multiple kernels installed, how i can set which one should be the default? |
| 17:34.23 | petn-randall | wald0: How do you know these two things are even related? |
| 17:34.49 | wald0 | petn-randall, which two things? |
| 17:35.05 | petn-randall | wald0: 1) your system being slow 2) swap being the issue |
| 17:35.29 | wald0 | petn-randall, very simple, the only way to stop making it lagged is to swapoff |
| 17:35.52 | wald0 | then everything becomes -instantly- responsive |
| 17:36.21 | jelly | wald0: how long does swapoff -a take? |
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| 17:36.27 | wald0 | if i swapon, and wait 5 minutes, everything is lagged and slow |
| 17:36.52 | wald0 | jelly, damn, I just thought that after so many years the swapoff was an issue (extremely slow) but stills present in buster |
| 17:37.40 | wald0 | i just don't understand how is possible to take so much time to simply "save to the ram these 100 mb of data from the hard disk ", it just makes no sense |
| 17:38.21 | jelly | bbiab |
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| 17:45.23 | petn-randall | wald0: I don't have this issue with any of my machines, so maybe your HW has some issues. |
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| 17:48.46 | wald0 | petn-randall, it was not like that 2 days ago with my previous system installed running on wheezy |
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| 17:49.33 | wald0 | brb need to reboot |
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| 18:00.44 | CarlFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.44 | dpkg | carlfk: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 18:01.04 | ryouba | jelly: no log, and no binaries. trying to see whether compiling is an option. |
| 18:02.03 | jelly | ryouba: you can always install 9.4 from jessie repos. |
| 18:02.05 | jelly | or copy the data to a jessie machine and do a dump there |
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| 18:03.36 | gour | evening |
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| 18:03.55 | CarlFK | http://paste.debian.net/1083401/ Errors were encountered while processing: libc6:armhf - pretty sure I don't want to remove/purge that :p |
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| 18:05.00 | ryouba | jelly: those are nice ideas! it seems that pg_upgradecluster might still be an option, too. not sure yet. |
| 18:06.23 | jelly | CarlFK: which debian release is this? |
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| 18:06.38 | jelly | dpkg, tell CarlFK about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 18:06.38 | CarlFK | jelly: raspberian |
| 18:06.46 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 18:06.46 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 18:07.11 | gour | after many years of using different distros (gentoo, arch, opensuse, debian sid...) i've decided to settle on (debian) stable. however, some time ago i was using manjaro and migrated my gnucash data to 3.5 and in order to be able to keep 'em, i did install 'buster' which has 3.4 so i can continue using my data. now in my sources.list i've 2x2 lines (for regular repos and buster-updates) and would like to continue with buster when it becomes stable, so |
| 18:07.12 | gour | wonder whether after bustr release i should add some new lines to sources.list (possibly for security) or can just continues as it is now? |
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| 18:08.07 | jelly | gour: security.debian.org buster/updates will have to be added, yes |
| 18:08.30 | gour | jelly: right after stable release? |
| 18:08.34 | jelly | not sure if you can do that already |
| 18:09.01 | jelly | you can. |
| 18:09.05 | jmcnaught | ryouba: did you look at the upgrade instructions in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-9.6/README.Debian.gz ? |
| 18:09.18 | jelly | gour: it's still empty, but it exists now. deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:09.19 | gour | hmm, just curious about that...ahh, that's cool |
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| 18:09.53 | ryouba | jmcnaught: no, but that looks like what was scrolling by too quickly during the update... reading now! |
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| 18:10.12 | jmcnaught | ryouba: it's normal to do this step after the Debian upgrade |
| 18:10.36 | jelly | ryouba: consider running the release upgrade inside screen/tmux and then inside "script", next time |
| 18:10.48 | gour | jelly: one line for deb-src as well? |
| 18:10.56 | ryouba | yeah i know about script and keep forgetting each time :-/ |
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| 18:11.04 | jelly | gour: if you want sources, yes |
| 18:11.23 | gour | jelly: ok, maybe not then ;) |
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| 18:11.41 | jelly | !deb-src |
| 18:11.41 | dpkg | You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed. |
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| 18:13.46 | gour | jelly: heh, building debian pkgs is on my todo list...did it for gentoo, arch, rpms, but never *.deb :-( |
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| 18:29.13 | yokowka | heavenO everysoul!!!! when debian 10 started?? |
| 18:30.18 | jelly | !wwbr |
| 18:30.18 | dpkg | Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html . Remember that Debian releases come out when they are ready, and arrive sooner, if you help ;) |
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| 18:37.50 | EdePopede | yokowka https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 18:37.54 | EdePopede | 118 \o/ |
| 18:39.45 | cybercrypto | dpkg: great news! |
| 18:39.45 | dpkg | cybercrypto: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:39.55 | a__pi | just installed from rc1 installer and it went perfect |
| 18:40.15 | cybercrypto | dpkg: apt! |
| 18:40.15 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 18:40.18 | cybercrypto | :-) |
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| 18:52.55 | wald0 | petn-randall: this is strange, i upgraded the system where just a few packages has been updated (like libc6) and now it doesn't looks like I have the issue anymore |
| 18:54.07 | ryouba | jmcnaught: jelly: i ended up manually resolving deps and installing 9.4 from jessie .debs and then running pg_upgradecluster. that worked. |
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| 19:00.42 | laptop | anyone know about hardening |
| 19:00.47 | laptop | debian or know what channel |
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| 19:04.34 | DixieNormous | Other than creating a ghost that can be reinstalled acroos machines, is it possible to create a Bash application that will setup a new install with my previous preferneces. Such as software, firewall config etc |
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| 19:10.57 | karlpinc | !debian clone |
| 19:10.57 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 19:12.03 | karlpinc | laptop: You can ask here. There's nothing special about debian, and it all depends on your threat model. |
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| 19:28.14 | ShyGirl99 | Hi, boys! It's time for my Saturday Live Show. I start in 10 minutes. If you would like to watch, just send me a message "Free Vip Invite" in the Cam Site (and let the fun begin!). Link: http://lnnk.in/@vCams |
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| 19:35.13 | Egy | Hello, not to long ago I stumbled upon a site where people (mostly developers) could create a profile page and publicly share their public keys (via their profile page). However my Google skills fails me and I seem unable to find it again. Does anyone know the site I'm referring to? |
| 19:36.02 | JordiGH | keybase.io |
| 19:36.03 | JordiGH | It's a bit weird, though... |
| 19:37.01 | Egy | I thought that was a slack competitor.. "Unlike Slack, it is free and encrypted. And without ads." |
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| 19:37.45 | sadtaco | I recently copied an OS and software image from a Xeon VM to an Epyc VM. Would I need to rebuild packages or anything to run better on the new VM? |
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| 19:38.13 | Egy | Thank you @JordiGH I will look past the front page....:) |
| 19:38.38 | JordiGH | Yeah, keybase.io seems to have, uh, "pivoted", I think they call it. |
| 19:38.47 | JordiGH | But they still have those profiles with pgp keys somewhere. |
| 19:38.51 | JordiGH | I don't really know what they're doing. |
| 19:39.25 | JordiGH | sadtaco: You mean rebuild the guest or rebuild the host? |
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| 19:39.51 | sadtaco | Hm I don't know what you mean by guest or host. I don't own the server itself, if that's what you mean. I just have a VM on it. |
| 19:40.12 | Egy | @JordiGH: thanks though, I searched for keybase.io+profile and I think I found what I was looking for. Thanks a lot! |
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| 19:42.32 | JordiGH | sadtaco: Your VM is a guest which lives in a host OS. I was trying to understand if you were asking about your VM's software to upgrade or the host's software. |
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| 19:42.50 | sadtaco | Ah yes, guest then. |
| 19:43.04 | JordiGH | So, theoretically, no, that's the whole point of VMs, that you can move them around and they'll work just fine. Is this not the case? |
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| 19:47.37 | sadtaco | No I mean it *works*. I was just wondering if performance might not be optimal. I know it's not gentoo where everything is compiled for the specific hardware, but still. |
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| 19:49.40 | Guest44764 | qualcuno vuole viaggiare attraverso l'oceano nei sottomarini? vieni a chattare con noi su #subline |
| 19:50.04 | JordiGH | ,ops |
| 19:50.26 | JordiGH | Anyway, we got an Italian-speaking spammer on a Canadian IP address. Probably a bot. |
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| 19:52.28 | JordiGH | sadtaco: I think you should be fine. Again, in theory, the guest shouldn't be too aware of what its host is doing and therefore shouldn't be able to tweak itself to run faster depending on the host. |
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| 19:53.15 | JordiGH | I mean, other than things like seeing how many cores are available and how much RAM there is so that it can parallelise more or use more memory, but this is all routine stuff that doesn't require special software. |
| 19:53.20 | sadtaco | Performance is really different on Epyc/Ryzen when not compiled for it, is what I mean. |
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| 19:54.03 | JordiGH | Did your guest's architecture change too? I thought you copied the same arch from one host to another. |
| 19:55.24 | JordiGH | Am I saying something stupid? I thought you could e.g. have a 32-bit guest in a 64-bit host. |
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| 19:59.36 | sadtaco | From a Xeon host to Epyc. |
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| 20:02.54 | JordiGH | Anyway, Debian doesn't have packages for different variants of the amd64 arch. |
| 20:03.22 | JordiGH | That's gonna be weird, the day when amd64 isn't a single arch and everything should be recompiled for variants of amd64 for optimal performance. |
| 20:03.32 | sadtaco | yeah, I didn't think so. I should have phrased that better. |
| 20:03.51 | sadtaco | Well that's already basically here... you get significant performance improvements if you compile for it. |
| 20:04.31 | sadtaco | The architecture is significantly different. 6 micro-ops per cycle instead of 4. |
| 20:05.14 | JordiGH | And gcc knows how to compile differently for each sub-arch already? |
| 20:05.40 | sadtaco | It didn't 2 years ago but from what I've seen it mostly does now. |
| 20:05.45 | JordiGH | Or is it like you have to use AMD's special compiler like how Intel's icc optimises for Intel and pessimises for AMD? |
| 20:06.30 | sadtaco | No there isnt' one like ICC. AMD and Sony and others contribute to other compilers. LLVM is the primary one I think. |
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| 20:11.22 | sadtaco | here, JordiGH https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-epyc-gcc9&num=2 |
| 20:12.28 | sadtaco | over 10% faster in some cases. |
| 20:12.51 | sadtaco | except 1 case where it's slower there |
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| 20:15.09 | JordiGH | Oh, 10%. |
| 20:15.16 | JordiGH | You sure you're not a gentoobie? |
| 20:15.31 | JordiGH | :P |
| 20:15.43 | JordiGH | I guess nowadays it's arch instead of gentoo, eh? |
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| 20:28.45 | elm_ | I have a problem with debian buster/testing |
| 20:29.15 | elm_ | gcc does not work; or that is better to say ld does find symbols like main for normal .c programs |
| 20:29.22 | elm_ | g++ works well |
| 20:29.26 | elm_ | after gcc mset.c -o mset |
| 20:29.34 | elm_ | gcc -c I mean |
| 20:29.52 | elm_ | nm -s mset.o | grep main |
| 20:29.56 | elm_ | 0000000000000989 T main |
| 20:30.06 | elm_ | yet ld reports an undefined reference |
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| 20:39.24 | altker128 | elm_: Did you install build-essential ? |
| 20:41.16 | altker128 | I wish Debian did have different builds for different AMD64 variants...or some script that let you do that and mirror the source tarballs, build, package and create for a tuned CPU ISA |
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| 20:45.52 | elm_ | yes; how can I install the man page for gcc? |
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| 20:51.31 | elm_ | I have already rtesolved the problem with gcc: need to use static inline instead of inline now |
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| 20:51.53 | elm_ | ... but it would be nice to know how to obtain a man page for gcc |
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| 20:54.11 | mtn | elm_: the man page should be installed with the program package |
| 20:54.48 | elm_ | mtn: apt-get install package? |
| 20:55.10 | mtn | elm_: do you have gcc installed? |
| 20:56.04 | elm_ | yes |
| 20:56.15 | mtn | elm_: and man gcc does not work? |
| 20:56.29 | elm_ | apt-file search gcc | grep /man./ | grep /gcc\. does not yield any usable results |
| 20:56.35 | elm_ | no man?.gz |
| 20:56.41 | mtn | elm_: and man gcc does not work? |
| 20:56.43 | elm_ | debian does not ship it |
| 20:56.48 | elm_ | no |
| 20:56.58 | elm_ | I need a package from another distribution |
| 20:57.00 | mtn | elm_: maybe it is manpages-dev |
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| 20:57.25 | elm_ | have installed that but no gcc man page inside |
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| 20:58.07 | mtn | elm_: apt-get install gcc-doc |
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| 20:59.32 | elm_ | package does not exist |
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| 21:00.05 | mtn | elm_: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gcc-4.9-doc |
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| 21:01.46 | jmcnaught | !gcc-doc |
| 21:01.46 | dpkg | The man pages for <gcc> are in non-free, as they are released under the <GFDL> with invariant sections, so they do not meet the <DFSG>. To install, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the gcc-doc package. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then install the manpages-dev package. |
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| 21:06.00 | elm_ | works; good thx |
| 21:06.13 | enowaldo | Is ther |
| 21:06.33 | enowaldo | Sorry, lagging.... |
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| 21:16.57 | enowaldo | Is there a utility that will show mouse input events as detected under Xorg? I'm trying to find out why my middle mouse button isn't behaving as desired. |
| 21:17.12 | phogg | enowaldo: xev |
| 21:17.57 | enowaldo | phogg: xev :) |
| 21:18.00 | enowaldo | phogg: Thanks. |
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| 21:21.52 | enowaldo | OK, one feature seems to be that button 2 is detected, but only registers on _release_, not key-down event. |
| 21:21.55 | enowaldo | hrm. |
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| 21:25.18 | EdePopede | enowaldo: maybe to allow midclick emulation? |
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| 21:31.15 | enowaldo | EdePopede: I have a middle mouse button. There's no need to emulate anything. What I need is for the click to be detected on press rather than release. |
| 21:31.40 | enowaldo | EdePopede: This apparently got fuxnored a few years ago possibly in kernel (though gdm works fine, Xorg is b0rken). |
| 21:32.48 | EdePopede | a good test is also mplayer running a video from the terminal. it doesn't use most of the mousebutton actions, so it spits out some readable error :> |
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| 21:42.15 | enowaldo | EdePopede: Good to know, thanks. |
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| 22:02.11 | enowaldo | So, I'm finding descriptions on how to emulate *mouse* *wheel* scrolling. But not to fix the middle-mouse to behave _just as a mouse button_. For mousewheel, see: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint |
| 22:02.17 | enowaldo | That's actually _not_ what I want. |
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| 22:02.27 | humpled | hrm |
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| 22:09.49 | sadtaco | https://paste.debian.net/1083414/ how am I not using the "--kernelsourcedir" option here? |
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| 22:16.37 | enowaldo | OK, apparently this is an evdev driver issue, possible ... at a URL I'll paste when I've got middle mouse button working as desired. |
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| 22:16.40 | sadtaco | trying to point to one of the headers folders doesn't do it, either |
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| 22:18.28 | humpled | have you checked synclient enowaldo |
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| 22:27.28 | enowaldo | humpled: No. |
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| 22:31.00 | rwp | enowaldo, I have that same desire too. And I haven't figured out how to disable trackpoint scrolling either. |
| 22:32.15 | rwp | But middle button still works as paste for me. The thing that gets in the way is control-middle is eaten by the trackpoint so can't use it for xterm menu. :-( |
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| 22:42.59 | enowaldo | rwp: That ... would be annoying. Right now _all_ my modifier keys seem to get eaten. |
| 22:44.07 | rwp | enowaldo, I do "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp -option compose:menu ; xmodmap .xmodmap ; xset r rate 275 45" where the xmodmap file sets up control and escape and such for me. |
| 22:44.33 | rwp | add Control = Control_L Control_R and add mod4 = Super_L Super_R. |
| 22:44.55 | rwp | So maybe something is destroying your modifiers? Maybe you can add them back in? |
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| 22:50.38 | enowaldo | rwp: Given that the middle button creates no event until release, I think not. This ... has been going on for a while -- I'd first encountered this in 2016. |
| 22:52.02 | rwp | Of course I have a trackpoint so I encounter the inability to get to the control-middlebutton xterm menu whenever I use this keyboard. |
| 22:52.21 | rwp | If I plug in an additional USB mouse then the control middle works as intended. |
| 22:52.44 | rwp | So that is an idea for you. You might plug in an additional usb keyboard/mouse and see how that modifies the behavior. |
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| 22:57.03 | enowaldo | rwp: ... hrm, interesting, though I'd prefer it Just Worked. |
| 22:58.34 | rwp | Not suggesting that as a long term solution. Just a debugging tactic. |
| 22:59.11 | rwp | Note that I still haven't figured it out myself. So I am probably not the person you want helping you to figure it out. :-) |
| 22:59.39 | rwp | I am just the only person in the room at the moment. |
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| 23:35.46 | sadtaco | https://medium.com/@m.yunan.helmy/decrease-the-size-of-ebs-volume-in-your-ec2-instance-ea326e951bce I'm following this guide, but I don't have a UUID for /dev/xvda1 (which for me is /dev/nvme0n1) for "Use tune2fs to replace UUID sudo tune2fs -U COPIED_UUID /dev/xvdf". Instead it's /dev/nvme0n1: PTUUID="1312987e" PTTYPE="dos". |
| 23:35.54 | sadtaco | Would I copy the PTUUID instead? |
| 23:36.13 | sadtaco | oh wait |
| 23:36.23 | sadtaco | disregard that |
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| 23:39.57 | enowaldo | rwp: Yeah, thanks all the same. |
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| 23:41.18 | nyanwindozelinux | Hello |
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| 23:49.27 | rant | personally I was too busy trying to figure out what a taco would be sad about to regard that :D |
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| 23:51.03 | ghormoon | hi, not sure of that is feature of firmware or drivers, but when writing, touchpad stops. is it possible to toogle this behaviour somehow? (thinkpad T470s) |
| 23:52.32 | rant | ghormoon: palm detection, and yes.. |
| 23:52.51 | rant | erm well you are probably not dealing with palm detection but just disabled while typing |
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| 23:53.30 | rant | in MATE you can go to System>Prefrences>Hardware>Mouse [Touchpad] General: and uncheck Disable touchpad while typing |
| 23:53.33 | ghormoon | can i toggle that "runtime"? (echoing something somewhere ...) |
| 23:53.42 | rant | other DE probably have something similar |
| 23:53.48 | ghormoon | I've got xmonad :D |
| 23:54.18 | ghormoon | but yeah, that sounds exactly like the behaviour i see |
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| 23:57.19 | ghormoon | find through proc and sys for "*disa*" didn't point me to anything on first sight :( |
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| 23:58.01 | rant | well near as I can tell mate-mouse-properties is modifying a dconf setting |
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| 23:59.06 | rant | probably /org/mate/desktop/peripherals/touchpad/disable-while-typing |
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| 23:59.27 | rant | alternatively it'd be an xorg setting if anything |
| 23:59.32 | humpled | just how big is the mousepad? |
| 23:59.32 | rant | its not a kernel thing |