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| 01:09.32 | laptop | does it make sense to encrypt hd with 1 gb ram dual core laptop |
| 01:09.44 | laptop | 5200 HD 40 gb |
| 01:09.50 | laptop | I want to encrypt |
| 01:09.55 | laptop | I tried it and it is slower |
| 01:09.58 | laptop | and computer freezes |
| 01:10.04 | laptop | what about encrypting swap |
| 01:10.10 | laptop | does that slow it down a lot |
| 01:10.13 | ksk | running encrypted will always be slower, the question is if you can live with that slowness |
| 01:10.17 | abrotman | wonders if laptop knows you can put more than five words on a line .. |
| 01:10.25 | ksk | !enter |
| 01:10.25 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:10.54 | laptop | ok, sorry, will not do that, but encrypting swap a good idea it seems but will that slow your computer down a lot? |
| 01:11.05 | ksk | encryption should not use too much ram, but 1G is really not much to begin with :( |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | probably more about your CPU than the other bits |
| 01:11.24 | laptop | yes but when i do not encrypt my computer runs okay |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | laptop: We can't answer if it's worth it, it's your data |
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| 01:12.28 | laptop | what about encrypting grub or grub password, can this be bypassed |
| 01:12.49 | ksk | sure, one needs just to remove the hdd from your pc, and put it into another one. |
| 01:12.55 | ksk | (or boot a linux livecd9 |
| 01:13.21 | laptop | well I just need to encrypt one program firefox |
| 01:13.41 | ksk | !luks |
| 01:13.41 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://sf.net/projects/freeotfe.mirror/ and <ext2read>. |
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| 01:14.11 | laptop | can you encrypt one program and one program only |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | the program or the data? |
| 01:15.36 | Unit193 | You can use something like gocryptfs/cryfs to 'mount' an encrypted directory to ~/.mozilla/, can even use libpam-mount to automount it on login. |
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| 01:15.52 | Bjornn | I'm curiou why would you want to encrypt jut firefo |
| 01:16.02 | laptop | it is the only program with private data |
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| 01:17.07 | laptop | I delete any documents I download |
| 01:17.11 | laptop | and put the rest in email |
| 01:17.30 | Bjornn | big tech read email tho |
| 01:18.05 | laptop | you know the only problem with crypting a f using truecrypt is someone can get access to your key no if th |
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| 01:19.24 | Unit193 | Not the fork, VeraCrypt (or CipherShed?) |
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| 01:20.37 | Bjornn | I'l have to google thi, I'm intriguged. |
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| 01:21.38 | vandemar | Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader |
| 01:21.38 | vandemar | I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software, |
| 01:21.38 | vandemar | because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message |
| 01:21.38 | vandemar | across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention! |
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| 01:22.33 | abrotman | neat spam .. |
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| 01:23.13 | ksk | started yesterday, really brainded. |
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| 01:24.27 | vandemar | Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader |
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| 01:24.39 | abrotman | drat |
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| 01:25.04 | Unit193 | Sorry. |
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| 01:25.55 | vandemar | themill suck my dick |
| 01:25.58 | vandemar | Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader |
| 01:25.58 | vandemar | I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software, |
| 01:25.58 | vandemar | because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message |
| 01:25.58 | vandemar | across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention! |
| 01:25.58 | vandemar | /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey |
| 01:26.43 | ksk | abrotman: the-mill did set "+q $~a" yesterday, if that helps.. |
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| 01:30.59 | valerius | Indeed, they finish Nginx development, or is it desinformation? |
| 01:31.22 | ksk | valerius: do you have any source, aside from irc spam? |
| 01:31.47 | valerius | It would be strange if Nginx team would use spambots for that |
| 01:31.52 | ksk | if not, you should think about your aquiring of informaion techniques. |
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| 01:32.18 | valerius | ksk no, just wondered where this strange info comes from |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | Spam, ignore it, move on |
| 01:33.17 | Deihmos | damn |
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| 01:48.44 | Benedict | hi im stuck in the debian setup |
| 01:48.58 | Benedict | i made an encrypted volume over the entire drive in manual partitioning |
| 01:49.00 | Benedict | but i can't remove it |
| 01:49.12 | Benedict | since i forgot to make unencrypted /boot |
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| 01:50.05 | Benedict | https://i.imgur.com/zSNEOgB.png stuck here |
| 01:50.12 | Benedict | how do i remove the crypt partition so i can make a /boot ? |
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| 01:53.17 | Benedict | bug from 2008 STILL not fixed 11 years later? https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/10/msg00336.html |
| 01:53.44 | jmcnaught | Benedict: did you look under "Configure encrypted volumes"? |
| 01:53.49 | Benedict | that has no option to delete |
| 01:53.52 | Benedict | only create |
| 01:54.25 | Benedict | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/652641 |
| 01:54.30 | Benedict | bug that nobody wants to fix it seems |
| 01:54.31 | Benedict | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 01:55.03 | jmcnaught | I would try deleting the 31.9 GB ext4 first then look under configure encrypted volumes again |
| 01:55.20 | Benedict | there is no way to delete it |
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| 01:55.39 | Benedict | selecting "do not use partition" just resets it back to ext4 |
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| 01:55.58 | jmcnaught | Or you could use the go back button, then select partitioning from the main menu again |
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| 02:35.34 | k-man | often when i print something in gnome, the job appears "paused" in the active jobs list, sits there for minutes |
| 02:35.39 | k-man | then just starts |
| 02:37.02 | UnicornS | Paul Wize is there ? |
| 02:37.37 | Unit193 | Paul Wise, perhaps? What are you looking for? |
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| 05:38.52 | Benedict | hi need help with https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/392286 |
| 05:39.02 | Benedict | i am doing this but I get error "invalid argument" after entering the password |
| 05:39.10 | Benedict | and have to type all the extra passwords |
| 05:39.39 | Benedict | here is my crypttab https://0bin.net/paste/6ZH3QeYbyridF4ps#89EpOwJzmtGQ6g4Hez1KclgN83KLWrMaeqM-2uMHUb1 |
| 05:41.16 | ksk | did you read the linked bugreport, stating "Yup, this is due to systemd's cryptsetup implementation not supporting |
| 05:41.18 | ksk | key scripts, cf. #618862. |
| 05:41.19 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/618862 in systemd (open, help): «systemd: ignores keyscript in crypttab»; severity: important; opened: 2011-03-19; last modified: 2018-08-04. |
| 05:41.20 | ksk | " |
| 05:41.36 | Benedict | but it works on my other server |
| 05:41.42 | Benedict | which i am now booting to see what i did differently |
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| 06:13.22 | rant | do we have installer images that install buster yet? |
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| 06:19.13 | themill | sure, installer rc1 was released a few weeks ago |
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| 06:20.10 | ksk | rant: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:20.17 | ksk | not too hard to find :P |
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| 06:23.39 | rant | ksk: yes but that installs buster by default? |
| 06:25.24 | themill | I think that page even answers that exact question |
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| 06:26.53 | Pascal_1 | hello |
| 06:27.40 | Pascal_1 | what could be the way to launch automatically a script after a package upgrade (postgresql) ? |
| 06:29.02 | ksk | rant: did you read what the linked webpage says? |
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| 06:30.18 | ksk | Pascal_1: mhm, Iam not aware of apt being that hookable, so to say. |
| 06:30.55 | ksk | there is postinst in the package of course, but you would need to build your own package (postgres+your script in postinst) |
| 06:30.56 | superlinux | Pascal_1, I am going to help you |
| 06:31.02 | superlinux | just wait a little |
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| 06:31.37 | themill | Pascal_1: your package or postgresql or someone else's? (what do you need to do?) |
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| 06:33.12 | Pascal_1 | on each postgresql upgrade i want to run automatically a script. I dont use my owns packages but the debian packages |
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| 06:36.21 | superlinux | Pascal_1, use: apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep '^Inst postgresql .. this will tell you whether there are any packages whose names starting with ' postgresql' are going to be installed |
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| 06:37.31 | superlinux | Pascal_1, use a shell script and save it in your cron ( cron is the systetm jobs scheduler) . |
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| 06:39.20 | superlinux | Pascal_1, the shell script should run your script based on the output of apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep '^Inst postgresql ' |
| 06:41.13 | Pascal_1 | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade | grep 'postgresql' dont seems to work |
| 06:42.35 | ksk | please no. this will make your script run repeatedly, even if you did not upgrade the package yet. |
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| 06:43.12 | ksk | if you are on to "hacking configmanagment/deployment in bash", I would advise the following: |
| 06:43.18 | superlinux | Pascal_1, !!! NO! you missed the (-s) option |
| 06:43.29 | superlinux | use apt-get. |
| 06:43.33 | Pascal_1 | but i dont want simulate |
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| 06:43.51 | themill | Pascal_1: do you want this only for upgrades between minor versions or on every single package upgrade? |
| 06:44.09 | Pascal_1 | each time postgresql is upgraded |
| 06:44.12 | themill | Pascal_1: I'm just wondering what you're going to automate that the maintainer doesn't feel is safe enough to automate in the maintainer script |
| 06:44.21 | superlinux | Pascal_1, simulation will only tell you whether the package is going to be updated. |
| 06:44.31 | Pascal_1 | i want to launch my own script |
| 06:44.40 | ksk | but not tell us whats in there? :> |
| 06:45.08 | superlinux | if it's going to be upgraded.. you run the script.. that's the algorithm... and of course you upgrade eventually |
| 06:45.26 | ksk | superlinux showed you a way of checking if updates are pending - you could bash (chrchr) around with that and create your own update-script if you want. |
| 06:45.30 | superlinux | Pascal_1, capiche? understand me now? |
| 06:46.06 | superlinux | ksk, thanks mate.. sometimes I reach the English language barriers |
| 06:46.16 | superlinux | it's my second language |
| 06:46.19 | ksk | if you have the time and effort and willingness to change your style of working (to a degree) I would seriously advice for a config-mangment tool thogh (saltstack, chef, puppet, etc) |
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| 06:46.43 | themill | Pascal_1: apt hooks are a thing for DPkg::Post-Invoke but I'm not sure if this is really the right approach |
| 06:49.09 | superlinux | there is another way .. from dpkg --list , you can find the current version of the postgresql, then upgrade, then see if the version changed, then run the script |
| 06:49.34 | superlinux | I think, this way is easier |
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| 06:50.09 | agio | i agree with ksk. this could easily be done in ansible with a handler call after apt changes the package state |
| 06:50.28 | agio | and other config tools prob have similar features |
| 06:50.33 | ksk | ack. |
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| 07:03.03 | fiet | rolin |
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| 07:07.18 | superlinux | Pascal_1, open this paste.. https://paste.debian.net/1083672/ it has what you want |
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| 07:16.51 | Pascal_1 | superlinux: i prefere the dpkg way thanks for your help |
| 07:17.32 | superlinux | welcome.. |
| 07:21.31 | Pascal_1 | a command like that is ok according to you : dpkg --list |grep postgresql | grep server |awk '{ print $3 }' |
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| 07:23.49 | Pascal_1 | may be also apt-cache policy postgresql ? |
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| 07:31.11 | Pascal_1 | superlinux: and i could make that : aptitude versions postgresql |
| 07:31.37 | Pascal_1 | if postgesql have to be upgrade the answer is more than 1 line. I could check that ? |
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| 07:33.44 | stemid | how do I upgrade wheezy if no mirror carries wheezy files? the first step is to always do update upgrade dist-upgrade. |
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| 07:34.10 | stemid | do I just change the sources without doing this step? |
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| 07:34.40 | a__pi | archive.debian.org i think will contain wheezy files if main one doesn't |
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| 07:42.12 | tachikomas | Hello, questions about screen, is there any way to get out of the screen without killing the terminal windows ? lets say i have one urxvt windows open, into a ssh and then a screen and an app, can i get out of the screen without loosing the screen itself and without disconnecting from the ssh ? |
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| 07:44.08 | jmcnaught | tachikomas: 'Ctrl-A D' you mean? and then 'screen -DR' to reattach |
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| 07:45.44 | tachikomas | Exacly that |
| 07:45.49 | tachikomas | Thanks |
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| 07:58.21 | stemid | a__pi: thanks that got the upgrade going. |
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| 08:37.49 | mystified1234 | what do you guys suggest to play home networked media (tv & movies) plex emby oor kodi. Ive never used them before. Or something else |
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| 09:00.35 | stemid | mystified1234: I used emby for a couple years, even have the lifetime license. tried plex the last 8 months. plex was nice but I noticed it was hard to update the library when new media was added. eventually I just gave up and went back to emby where I could trigger a library scan that actually worked. |
| 09:01.00 | stemid | I still have no idea why plex isn't showing my newly added media. |
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| 09:01.13 | stemid | but it cost a lot less at least. |
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| 09:25.05 | dka_ | I want to build a docker image starting from java:8-jdk docker image |
| 09:25.20 | dka_ | i am having issue installing things such as curl/tmux/htop through jessi-backports |
| 09:25.24 | dka_ | W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 09:25.27 | dka_ | any idea how to do ? |
| 09:28.27 | jmcnaught | !jessie-backports |
| 09:28.27 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but rebuilt for use with Jessie (Debian 8) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Jessie-backports are no longer being created, and the existing ones are archived. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie for instructions. |
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| 11:06.12 | brokencycle | Hi! A job of mine does not start. It says "Failed at step CHROOT", but I can't see where it wants to chroot. |
| 11:06.32 | brokencycle | In my unit file, I don't have any chroot statement. |
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| 11:12.41 | brokencycle | Likewise, it says "Changing to the requested working directory failed: Operation not permitted" |
| 11:12.55 | brokencycle | for a directory, where every directory along the path is mode 0755. |
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| 11:14.05 | brokencycle | In my unit file, I have RootDirectory=/ and WorkingDirectory=/path/to/local/software |
| 11:14.06 | FinalX | brokencycle: systemd can use pretty much all namespace privilege settings that containers can, too; perhaps you have some setting turned on that protects system directories and stuff, or isolation |
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| 11:14.28 | moldy | hi |
| 11:14.35 | moldy | i am seeing this on my CI runners: https://dpaste.de/Y0N0 |
| 11:14.41 | FinalX | things like ProtectHome=true |
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| 11:15.03 | moldy | am i doing anything wrong here, or is that more likely some temporary issue on an apt mirror? |
| 11:15.03 | brokencycle | FinalX: I don't understand. As I said, I am trying to disable all Chroot-ing. Where would I find ProtectHome? |
| 11:15.24 | OS-46353 | aha |
| 11:15.41 | brokencycle | My local software resides in /srv, and that directory is also listed in /etc/passwd. |
| 11:15.47 | FinalX | You just said you made a unit-file... these things can be placed in unit-files, and can cause issues like this. Perhaps you could share the unit-file |
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| 11:17.01 | moldy | ahh, missing apt-get update, probably |
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| 11:17.49 | brokencycle | FinalX: Ok... http://paste.debian.net/1083691/ |
| 11:19.29 | themill | brokencycle: why are you setting RootDirectory at all? |
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| 11:20.30 | brokencycle | When I created this unit file, that was the only way I could see to make ExecStart work. Let me try without... |
| 11:21.02 | brokencycle | Taking it out makes it work. |
| 11:21.05 | brokencycle | Ouch! |
| 11:21.24 | brokencycle | But it should be a NOP, shouldn't it? |
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| 11:22.39 | brokencycle | Should I report a bug? |
| 11:23.35 | dka_ | it says my filesystem hardrive is full |
| 11:23.40 | themill | brokencycle: chroot(2) doesn't think it's a noop and people normally complain when systemd layers above that try to do too much magic. (i.e. the developers can't win) |
| 11:23.48 | dka_ | how can I make up space? |
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| 11:24.59 | themill | dka_: 'apt-get clean' is a good start. Look at /var/log. Look at whether you've got excess kernel packages installed/ |
| 11:25.30 | dka_ | thanks |
| 11:25.36 | dka_ | I already did apt-get clean |
| 11:26.46 | brokencycle | themill: That sounds weird to me. In Unix, every file system tree starts at "/". So doing 'chroot("/")' should do nothing. But I didn't check the source, and don't understand the rationale. |
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| 11:27.17 | themill | brokencycle: try running "chroot /" as a normal user. |
| 11:27.58 | brokencycle | That doesn't work, either. But can we please have an error message indicating the directory and user which are involved? |
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| 11:29.20 | brokencycle | I mean, maybe I'll check what chroot(2) does under the hood. But this is (obviously) a surprise to me, and it's hard to figure out what broke, given the rather general error message. |
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| 11:30.17 | brokencycle | Thank you for this information! I've learnt something. |
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| 12:17.49 | rootkea | Hello! I'm using ClamAV 0.100.3/25448 on Debian Stretch. On my system without receiving any mail clamd consumes 950+ MiB memory. I searched and found that people had similar complaints for clamd consuming 250+ Mb memory! Clearly, some configuration is very wrong on my end. How do I make clamd use less memory? |
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| 12:26.03 | abrotman | rootkea: there is a #clamav that might be more help (fewer people though) |
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| 12:26.54 | rootkea | abrotman, Oh okay. Thanks! |
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| 12:35.16 | jelly | rootkea: 950MB of which memory? RES? |
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| 12:36.21 | rootkea | jelly, The one reported by gnome-system-monitor |
| 12:36.32 | jelly | and that is...? |
| 12:36.40 | jelly | rootkea: what does top command say? |
| 12:36.44 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.44 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.38 | rootkea | Ah, I killed the clamd. Let me reboot to let clamd start with it's initial command line. |
| 12:38.05 | rootkea | Brb |
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| 12:47.33 | Sepultura | Hallo. Linux will remove ATA Kernel drivers :O |
| 12:47.35 | rootkea | jelly, top o/p: |
| 12:47.38 | rootkea | 8164 clamav 20 0 1255316 988.1m 31296 S 0.0 25.9 0:50.44 clamd |
| 12:48.08 | rootkea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.57 | rootkea | jelly, By memory percentage your clamd looks more expensive. 33%! |
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| 12:53.12 | dvs | only 4GB? |
| 12:53.12 | gour_ | here clamd uses ~700MB |
| 12:54.09 | rootkea | dvs, Dell Inspiron laptop from 2010 |
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| 12:55.50 | rootkea | gour_, Which version? Without any active scan clamd is using ~1 Gb here :( |
| 12:56.08 | gour_ | rootkea: buster |
| 12:56.37 | gour_ | 0.101.2 |
| 12:56.52 | gour_ | i see it looks like normal... https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/114709/how-to-reduce-clamav-memory-usage |
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| 12:57.41 | rootkea | gour, That OP is complaining for clamd using >200 MB memory. 200+ and 950+ huge difference! |
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| 12:58.02 | gour | nods |
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| 12:58.34 | rootkea | May be I need to tweak something in clamd conf? |
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| 13:00.15 | jelly | rootkea: removing all the extra databases might help |
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| 13:00.42 | jelly | but no idea really, I don't have 0.101 anywhere yet |
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| 13:02.43 | rootkea | jelly, Oh okay. I was thinking may be I could reduce memory usage by setting some conf without removing any AV databases thereby not limiting clam's functionality/effectiveness... |
| 13:03.05 | shibboleth | anyone know why deb is stuck on wpad/wpa_supplicant 2.6? |
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| 13:03.38 | shibboleth | 2.7 has been out since... 2014 and supports 11w, MAC rando, etc. libre enough for openwrt |
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| 13:04.08 | uniqdom | hello. My computer had a heart attack and it died. It donated its hard drive to another computer. It boots fine, but can't see the graphical interface (X). I can access a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+F1. Is there something that I can do to have X again? |
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| 13:04.48 | dvs | ,v wpa_supplicant |
| 13:04.49 | judd | No package named 'wpa_supplicant' was found in amd64. |
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| 13:05.09 | dvs | ,v wpasupplicant |
| 13:05.10 | judd | Package: wpasupplicant on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2.3-1+deb8u7; stretch: 2:2.4-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2:2.4-1+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 2:2.7+git20190128+0c1e29f-4~bpo9+2; buster: 2:2.7+git20190128+0c1e29f-5; sid: 2:2.7+git20190128+0c1e29f-5; experimental: 2:2.8-2 |
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| 13:06.07 | dvs | shibboleth, looks like 2.7 will be in the next stable |
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| 13:08.13 | shibboleth | buster? |
| 13:08.25 | shibboleth | next *next* stable? |
| 13:08.27 | themill | and also in stretch-backports |
| 13:08.32 | shibboleth | alright then |
| 13:08.58 | shibboleth | suppose they had te, re WPA3 |
| 13:09.00 | gour | shibboleth: buster has 2.7, sid 2.8 |
| 13:09.01 | shibboleth | had to |
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| 13:27.53 | rootkea | jelly, gour, Just mailed to clamav-users list. I'll report back if something useful turns up. :) |
| 13:30.51 | gour | rootkea: thanks ;) |
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| 13:45.13 | wr | how can i install omemo on debian 9.9? |
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| 13:48.18 | themill | isn't omemo a protocol? |
| 13:48.19 | Marlin1113 | wait, i can use zypper on debian? |
| 13:48.52 | greycat | if you can tell us what it means to "install omemo", like the name of a file that should be present, we can search for a package containing that file |
| 13:49.29 | greycat | or, the standard fallback... |
| 13:49.34 | greycat | wr: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:50.14 | wr | greycat, need omemo on dino.im |
| 13:51.42 | greycat | since "dino-im - modern XMPP client" was one of the results I got when I ran "apt-cache search omemo", I guess this has something to do with the dino-im package which is apparently an ... "XMPP client"? |
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| 13:51.55 | wr | greycat, themill https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gajim-omemo would i use? |
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| 13:52.44 | themill | wr: if that's what you mean by "install omemo"... that is installing omemo into the gajim client. |
| 13:52.46 | greycat | notes that "what are you trying to do" never got answered |
| 13:53.04 | wr | themill, i need it on dino.im |
| 13:53.10 | greycat | you're going in circles |
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| 13:54.16 | greycat | !xmpp |
| 13:54.16 | dpkg | Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP, originally Jabber) is an open communications protocol based on <XML> for message-oriented middleware. http://wiki.debian.org/Jabber http://xmpp.org/ Non-official Debian chat room is at xmpp:debian@conference.jabber.org. For packaged XMPP servers, ask me about <ejabberd>, <jabberd14>, <jabberd2>, <prosody>. |
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| 13:54.34 | themill | wr: dino-im is not in stretch at all |
| 13:54.42 | wr | omg |
| 13:54.46 | greycat | ,v dino-im |
| 13:54.47 | judd | Package: dino-im on amd64 -- buster: 0.0.git20181129-1; sid: 0.0.git20181129-1 |
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| 13:55.32 | wr | buster? |
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| 13:55.48 | EdePopede | next stable. on the way. |
| 13:55.54 | themill | versions that start with "0.0 |
| 13:55.58 | themill | are always fun |
| 13:56.16 | EdePopede | yay, down to 115 bugs |
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| 13:56.40 | themill | Fun fact... there are versions lower than 0.0 in debian, but ⦠|
| 13:56.47 | greycat | The description for "dino-im" says "It does support OMEMO and OpenPGP for end-to-end encryption." |
| 13:56.51 | greycat | (in buster) |
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| 14:00.14 | wr | greycat, if i don't have any package omemo on stretch what would be proper way to install? |
| 14:00.27 | jelly | 0.0~git20190231~dfsg0-1~0.jelly.1 ? |
| 14:00.38 | greycat | I've never heard of ANY of this stuff until now. |
| 14:01.40 | jelly | wonders if 8=D~ is a valid version number |
| 14:01.45 | greycat | Near as I can tell, you found some upstream or third-party version of dino-im outside of Debian and installed it, and it doesn't have all of the features of the buster version. So, your first bet would be to get a newer upstream release. Probably. |
| 14:03.14 | wr | greycat, https://dino.im/img/screenshot-contact.png |
| 14:03.28 | greycat | so dino.im is a web site |
| 14:04.16 | greycat | https://github.com/dino/dino/wiki/Distribution-Packages |
| 14:04.28 | greycat | is like two clicks from their home page |
| 14:06.11 | greycat | if you keep clicking on the debian>=9 stuff it tells you how to add a third-part repository and install their package from there... I cannot vouch for its quality |
| 14:06.42 | themill | jelly: = is not ;) |
| 14:06.50 | wr | greycat, i have dino installed, what i miss is omemo |
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| 14:07.40 | greycat | so you're saying that the nightly builds provided by their third-party repository are missing that functionality? then you need to talk to THEM. |
| 14:08.07 | Tenkawa | hi a |
| 14:08.10 | Tenkawa | ll |
| 14:08.12 | greycat | you also need to learn how to communicate |
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| 14:08.58 | Tenkawa | greycat: my |
| 14:09.21 | Tenkawa | is my text coming out ok? |
| 14:09.32 | jelly | Tenkawa: mostly. |
| 14:09.36 | Tenkawa | this client id |
| 14:09.39 | Tenkawa | uggh |
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| 14:09.44 | jelly | too many enters, though |
| 14:09.50 | Tenkawa | its clumsy |
| 14:09.54 | Tenkawa | ipad |
| 14:10.06 | __m4ch1n3__ | #applehipster |
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| 14:10.17 | wr | greycat, yes |
| 14:10.27 | Tenkawa | all i have with me atm |
| 14:10.43 | Tenkawa | my gear is all put up |
| 14:11.03 | Tenkawa | oooh thats better |
| 14:11.04 | __m4ch1n3__ | i was just joking ;3 |
| 14:11.17 | Tenkawa | found the full window switch |
| 14:11.51 | Tenkawa | i was only getting like a third of the screen |
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| 14:14.39 | Tenkawa | __m4ch1n3__: nah doesnt bother me.. i actually spend most of my time in fixing apple stuff for people |
| 14:15.05 | Tenkawa | heehee |
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| 14:50.38 | Sepultura | any hebrew Guy here? |
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| 14:51.09 | dvs | ??? |
| 14:51.20 | OpenVms | Sepultura: hi israeli. |
| 14:51.25 | Sepultura | How is the Debugging in hebrew? does the Debugger writes the string from right to left? |
| 14:51.41 | Sepultura | Just wondering how Israeli Coders see hebrew strings |
| 14:53.05 | wr | update-rc.d -f apache2 remove, would this be the correct command to stop a program autostart on login? |
| 14:53.18 | greycat | *what* |
| 14:53.47 | greycat | Can we start with "Why do you believe that LOGINS have anything to do with apache2?" |
| 14:54.21 | _alx_ | I'm looking for documentation or guidance in relation to creating users and groups in a production level environment for web services. I would like to avoid Stack Overflow and digital ocean posts if possible. |
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| 14:55.25 | greycat | After that we can move to "Why do you think update-rc.d has anything to do with logins" and/or "Why are you using update-rc.d on a systemd release" |
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| 14:58.50 | greycat | If I go out on a limb and rewrite your question to say "How do I stop apache2 from starting at BOOT (not login)" then the correct answer, since you said you're on stretch, is "systemctl disable apache2" |
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| 14:59.36 | greycat | This is, of course, assuming you didn't swap out the stretch init system. |
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| 15:05.24 | linuxthefish | hey, is it possible to install ffmpeg with avfoundation on debian 9.8 ? |
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| 15:05.45 | linuxthefish | I'm trying to stream my webcam, but when I use the motion package the image is all washed out |
| 15:06.08 | evaluate | Hello. |
| 15:06.13 | dvs | 9.8 is old! |
| 15:06.24 | greycat | Debian 9.x is the current stable release. |
| 15:06.37 | greycat | 9.8 just means he hasn't done an apt-get update/dist-upgrade in a little while. |
| 15:07.01 | linuxthefish | yeah linux-image-4.9.0-9-686-pae is to install |
| 15:07.14 | linuxthefish | I normally run unstable on my home server for messing around |
| 15:07.45 | linuxthefish | I have 100mbit up and down with cheap power and I've run out of things to use it for! |
| 15:07.45 | evaluate | I'm trying to write a small application in go which would run during the installation (in late_command) to ask the user a question and do some configuration based on that. I am kinda stuck though trying to find any pointer on how to run debconf command from golang, does anyone have any pointers on this? |
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| 15:09.41 | evaluate | I have glanced over the /usr/share/debconf/confmodule script, which contains the routines I would need (like db_x_loadtemplatefile, db_get, etc.), but I am quite confused about how that actually works and how I would translate it into golang. Any hints would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 15:14.59 | linuxthefish | argh it's so hard to just take a picture with my webcam from command line :'( |
| 15:15.12 | linuxthefish | "movie writer initialisation failed" with streamer, and using motion the image is all washed out! |
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| 16:04.27 | dka_ | Hi |
| 16:04.32 | dka_ | I would like to install git on debian:stretch |
| 16:04.50 | dka_ | But the version available is obselet |
| 16:05.02 | dka_ | any idea how I can access a recent version without needing to build from source? |
| 16:05.43 | dka_ | The latest on debian repo is 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u4, while the one we want is 2.20.1 |
| 16:05.53 | milkt | ,v git |
| 16:05.54 | judd | Package: git on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u7; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:2.20.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.20.1-2; sid: 1:2.20.1-2; experimental: 1:2.21.0+next.20190425-1 |
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| 16:06.23 | gour | dka_: from backports - https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 16:06.38 | dka_ | yeah, but everytime I use backports, then it get deprecated at some point |
| 16:07.10 | themill | in the same way as every Debian release does? |
| 16:07.11 | dka_ | Is there another way which fir for LTS? |
| 16:07.43 | dka_ | why does debian keep the stable version of git obselete? Why backports git never get into stable over the time? |
| 16:07.46 | themill | "LTS" is incompatible with "must have new shiny". You pick LTS releases when you can't change things. |
| 16:08.01 | dka_ | by LTS, I mean long term support, not the brand |
| 16:08.06 | dka_ | or the product |
| 16:08.07 | themill | Sure. |
| 16:08.23 | dka_ | My use case is that I am building a docker image for development purpose, it is use within gitlab-ci runner |
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| 16:08.35 | dka_ | I want to have jdk8, node/npm, and many build tools in it |
| 16:09.10 | themill | so you need a peculiar mixture of brokenly ancient and brokenly recent. |
| 16:09.11 | dka_ | every year I have issue due to the way I use backports, this is the reason why I have done a new image today, because old backports were disabled |
| 16:09.32 | themill | jessie-backports were discontinued a year ago, yes. |
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| 16:10.09 | dka_ | yes, and jessie-backports never went to stable, neither in stretch. I need to be able to keep building, without such kind of issue, and the most reliable task to get the latest git version was to build from source |
| 16:10.15 | dka_ | but this makes our docker image build very long |
| 16:10.43 | themill | the entire point of backports is that they do not get incorporated into the stable release. stable is unchanging. |
| 16:10.45 | dka_ | In fact I only need a recent git version, can't use the one older than a year |
| 16:11.03 | dax | out of curiosity, why? |
| 16:11.09 | dka_ | but latest git version are stable, while distributed one is unstable, that's a fact |
| 16:11.36 | themill | dka_: no, they introduce new things and they break old things (either accidentally or on purpose) |
| 16:11.40 | dka_ | because git client is getting evolution and now required in many libs, since debian never updated their stable version, those tools needs new git version |
| 16:11.46 | themill | dka_: "stable" is one thing they are not. |
| 16:11.59 | themill | *precisely* what is needed from a newer git. |
| 16:12.12 | dka_ | I've been using both and the one difference I notice is not broken command but missing command |
| 16:13.12 | dka_ | anyhow, how can I enable backports in non tty (docker) in stretch from command line? |
| 16:13.50 | themill | is there not a stretch-backports enabled image as a starting point? |
| 16:14.33 | annadane | the expert installer offers it |
| 16:14.47 | annadane | well, expert install |
| 16:15.19 | dka_ | I still think there are no good reason for debian keeping an old obselete version of git in stable branch over debian version |
| 16:16.00 | dka_ | it should have been upgrade long ago. in how many debian stable version will they keep git 2.1 over git 2.20? |
| 16:16.02 | themill | dka_: there are. |
| 16:16.35 | dka_ | themill name one. Because all git command that I know are perfectly working. |
| 16:16.48 | annadane | it's really just a matter of policy, if you start arbitrarily deciding to upgrade x package in stable then why not the others, debian has a strong sense of policy |
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| 16:17.34 | annadane | users do sometimes rely on these old programs and don't feel like upgrading immediately |
| 16:17.59 | themill | dka_: "that I know". Important caveat. |
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| 16:19.37 | annadane | i have a separate question but i'll wait until this discussion dies down |
| 16:19.48 | dka_ | it is already |
| 16:19.59 | dka_ | Building from source is the safest option |
| 16:20.11 | at0m | define safest |
| 16:20.34 | dka_ | the build from source script will remain available and working over debian new releases |
| 16:20.49 | themill | unlikely |
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| 16:21.38 | dka_ | this is the script to install |
| 16:21.39 | dka_ | https://pastebin.com/vw5DjAWp |
| 16:21.59 | dka_ | I don't believe the git url to download the source tar will ever get 404 since microsoft bought 5 billions github |
| 16:22.43 | dka_ | I believe this script will live longer than the backport for stretch, and it will bring the same version as the build period or a new one. |
| 16:22.44 | themill | the names of the build-deps will change, however |
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| 16:22.58 | dax | mutters something about /usr/local |
| 16:23.05 | dka_ | I believe backport can't do that, obviously I am redoing it for the second time, after 2 debian version |
| 16:23.30 | themill | dka_: you seem to not actually want any advice, which means I'm not sure why you're asking |
| 16:23.52 | dka_ | That is true, I am making assertion. |
| 16:24.16 | dka_ | Bringing different assertion from different people bring truth, in general |
| 16:24.17 | jhutchins_wk | If you're averse to change IT is not the feild for you. Try stonmasonry. |
| 16:24.59 | dka_ | themill, it's still unproven that git version over 2.1 will break 2.1 |
| 16:25.27 | greycat | but if you dislike change, Debian is probably the second best OS for unchangingness (stability) after CentOS |
| 16:25.32 | dka_ | Which was the original assumption you defend. Sorry I'd like to understand why things are working a certain way and not another way, so I can decide the best for my images |
| 16:25.37 | themill | dka_: I'm telling you that's a risk Debian is not prepared to take (and I bet there are things that are broken because the on-disk structures changed) |
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| 16:30.21 | jmcnaught | dka_: maybe the part you're not understanding is Debian 'stable' doesn't mean 'no crashes' it means 'does not change', so you can count on be able to do security updates without any surprise version bumps that change how things work |
| 16:31.05 | greycat | *cough* samba bind9 |
| 16:31.15 | jmcnaught | for the most part |
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| 16:37.34 | annadane | okay so yeah, my question, do people just not use needrestart or is that the de facto lazy solution for things requiring restarts? |
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| 16:37.42 | annadane | i guess i'll just use it... |
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| 16:40.47 | annadane | i guess this really isn't a good questin |
| 16:40.49 | annadane | question, even |
| 16:42.28 | milkt | is it safe to add additional custom partition to the disk/usbmemory which holding debian installer iso image? or do i need further configuration? |
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| 16:54.57 | sangy | !debian-security |
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| 16:56.38 | sangy | nvm |
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| 16:58.41 | jhutchins_wk | milkt: Worst case scenario is that you might have to re-image the USB. Go for it. |
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| 17:02.10 | sangy | better than re-imagining the USB, which would be way worse |
| 17:03.11 | milkt | jhutchins_wk: i can access to both installer and custom partition mostly, but it fail to boot sometimes, and i wonder whether the disk or additional partition causing it |
| 17:05.31 | pie3 | how to know which devices are connected to bridge0? i guess every bridge is connected with 2 devices at least. |
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| 17:12.41 | tds | pie3: you can `ip link show master bridge0` |
| 17:12.56 | jhutchins_wk | milkt: More likely a hardware issue. |
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| 17:13.14 | pie3 | tds: no response |
| 17:13.26 | tds | sounds like you don't have any interfaces on the bridge then |
| 17:13.48 | pie3 | ok, how many maximum devices can be connected to a single bridge/ |
| 17:14.17 | pie3 | is it possible to see this bridge/networking in a visual/gui representation? since i assume bridge is same as physical switch |
| 17:14.29 | pie3 | that would be more fun to understand them by visualizing it |
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| 17:17.46 | pie3 | what is added to bridge ; a device like mouse, monitor etc.. or interfaces like ethernet, wifi? |
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| 17:18.49 | greycat | ... |
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| 17:21.14 | milkt | jhutchins_wk: i see, thanks, i'll try with other storage device |
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| 17:52.41 | mzajc | I have a problem with WiFi. It takes a very long time to connect to after boot (KDE just says "Configuring interface") and NetworkManager always times out when checked with systemd-analyze blame. Is there any way to fix this? |
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| 17:55.20 | OpenVms | C# |
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| 18:02.16 | jmcnaught | mzajc: does it happen with all networks? After booting if you disconnect does it also take a long time to connect? Were there any clues in "journalctl -u NetworkManager.service"? |
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| 18:04.39 | mzajc | jmcnaught: Just a moment, let me dig through all of that. |
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| 18:05.38 | freq | hello |
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| 18:07.28 | freq | has anyone used unattended-upgrades before? |
| 18:08.18 | greycat | !anyone |
| 18:08.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 18:09.13 | freq | does unattended-upgrades protect against breakage? |
| 18:10.04 | ksk | freq: normally, a package upgrade in debian does not brake thinks. but no, unattended upgrades does not contain an AI or so :P |
| 18:10.26 | freq | ok. thank you ksk. |
| 18:10.59 | ksk | also, downgrading a debian package is not (always) possible, nor desirable, so it would not really work anyways. |
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| 18:12.16 | freq | okay. i run debian and raspbian on different boards. unattended-upgrades was mentioned by the raspbian community, so now i am testing it on both boards. |
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| 18:17.07 | jhutchins_wk | freq: There are a few different packages that do that. It's always hazardous, and some of them will hang if there's an update message. |
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| 18:17.44 | jhutchins_wk | freq: It's better to upgrade less often, but with someone paying attention. |
| 18:18.19 | jhutchins_wk | freq: Subscribe to the security and/or announce mailing lists, you'll see when something important is updated and can respond accordingly. |
| 18:18.38 | freq | jhutchins_wk: I always did manually do the work. I assume that there can be a hangup if the package diffs message comes up and no one is there to hit "q". |
| 18:19.16 | jhutchins_wk | freq: Yeah, there's an updater that can handle that, and there's one that doesn't. |
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| 18:19.37 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: it's always a good idea to update the security fixes |
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| 18:19.49 | freq | Okay. I'm living in DWM and the other board is headless. There is no taskbar and everything is done via cli. |
| 18:19.51 | jhutchins_wk | If your net connection is not all that great, there's one that just does the index update nightly. |
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| 18:21.15 | freq | RoyK: great point, too. |
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| 18:22.06 | RoyK | freq: you can setup unattended-upgrades to only fetch the security fixes - no problems there |
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| 18:22.24 | freq | Very good point. |
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| 18:25.24 | mzajc | I'm back with my long-to-connect WiFi and more research. First of all, yes, this only happens to the wireless interface. Second, journalctl did not provide any useful information regarding the problem. |
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| 18:27.07 | jhutchins_wk | mzajc: dmeg | less, /var/log/syslog ... |
| 18:27.20 | jhutchins_wk | mzajc: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:28.43 | RoyK | s/dmeg/dmesg/ |
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| 18:30.35 | mzajc | dmesg doesn't contain much info on the matter, gonna look forward |
| 18:31.09 | jhutchins_wk | mzajc: dmesg should show the connection negotiation. |
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| 18:32.17 | mzajc | jhutchins_wk: it does, but there doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary |
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| 18:38.43 | mzajc | jhutchins_wk: nope, none of these logs contain anything that would be of a hint |
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| 18:49.25 | mzajc | One weird detail is that NetworkManager-wait-online.service will timeout at boot, but it starts up immediately when I restart it in userspace. |
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| 19:00.33 | jhutchins_wk | mzajc: Is this on stable or testing? |
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| 19:04.05 | jhutchins_wk | mzajc: I would guess that there's something that NM needs to be up before it can start, and it's timing out before that thing is up. |
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| 19:21.00 | zerocool | anyone know if you can follow and also search with journalctl |
| 19:21.19 | zerocool | like follow a specific service but also lookup specific substrings |
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| 19:23.16 | ksk | zerocool: have a pager (less) installed. invoke yournal via "journalctl -u $unit", then use normal less syntax to search ("/$searchstring" enter) |
| 19:23.25 | ksk | "yournal" - nice :D |
| 19:23.44 | greycat | did you try the obvious: journalctl --follow whatever | while read -r; do [[ $REPLY = *mypattern& ]] && printf '%s\n' "$REPLY"; done |
| 19:23.49 | greycat | bah |
| 19:23.54 | greycat | did you try the obvious: journalctl --follow whatever | while read -r; do [[ $REPLY = *mypattern* ]] && printf '%s\n' "$REPLY"; done |
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| 19:24.45 | zerocool | ksk can you do that while following? using journalctl -u service -f |
| 19:24.46 | enowaldo | What's the terminal paste site again? |
| 19:24.59 | enowaldo | nc <site> 9999 |
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| 19:25.05 | zerocool | greycat: that makes sense if i can't do it with journalctl i'll try something like this |
| 19:25.15 | greycat | there are many of them. If you mean "the one that has a 9999 in it" you probably mean termbin.com |
| 19:25.17 | wr | greycat, regarding omemo someone said "It should work out of the box. It only functions for one-to-one chats or private group chats. Your server needs to support it though" |
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| 19:30.51 | EdePopede | enowaldo: termbin.com |
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| 19:34.11 | Ignacy | Hello! Is there a way to emulate `sudo su -` with just `sudo +options`? |
| 19:34.52 | Ignacy | i take that back. emulate is a wrong word. I meant for something identical to sudo su - |
| 19:35.03 | greycat | sudo -i |
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| 19:35.54 | ksk | enowaldo: there is also the package "pastebinit" in debian. |
| 19:36.47 | Ignacy | ahhh |
| 19:36.53 | Ignacy | thanks greycat :P |
| 19:37.17 | freq | can x forwarding be optimised for speed? |
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| 19:37.47 | freq | I can only guess that speed is mostly dependent on the network equipment. |
| 19:38.22 | ksk | freq: I don't know, but I think other solutions (like xtightvnc) are less bandwith intensive. |
| 19:39.01 | ksk | freq: cant you check if your bandwith is limiting user-experience, by looking at network utilisation? ;) |
| 19:39.18 | freq | undoubtedly. i once forwarded steam to my raspi to fool a friend into believing that the raspi can run steam. |
| 19:39.28 | freq | ksk, sure can. |
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| 19:49.33 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 19:59.02 | mzajc | jhutchins_wk: any guess as to what that would be? |
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| 20:09.26 | zerocool | okay how about this one, i set logging level for specific service to 'DEBUG' and i can see it in journalctl but it's no longer going to syslog, any idea what controls that? |
| 20:09.49 | zerocool | from what i can tell it should be going to file unless another admin changed something in the past which is possible |
| 20:09.59 | greycat | "no longer going to syslog", or "my rsyslogd isn't logging DEBUG"? |
| 20:10.29 | greycat | typically a syslog config skips debug messages unless those are specifically requested, and will usually go into a special debug log |
| 20:10.33 | zerocool | greycat: i mean it's not showing in /var/log/syslog anymore, if i set to info it does |
| 20:11.01 | zerocool | ahhh, i will check there, thank you again greycat |
| 20:11.25 | greycat | /var/log/debug* may exist and may or may not have content |
| 20:11.35 | greycat | also look for "debug" in /etc/rsyslog.conf and friends |
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| 20:12.20 | Amandaaa | Check my story. You will be amazed how it ends. You will see my nice boobs & clean WET pussy in the end. 18+ only!!! ---> http://snip.li/Su2H :) |
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| 20:13.46 | zerocool | if the service is named myservice i just add it to /etc/rsyslog.conf under rules as `myservice.*`? |
| 20:13.57 | mzajc | Amandaaa: let's not |
| 20:13.58 | greycat | gods NO. read the man pages. |
| 20:14.10 | greycat | mzajc: don't respond to already-vanished spam bots |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | zerocool: "man syslog" and/or "man logger" and/or "man rsyslog.conf" |
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| 20:15.04 | zerocool | already on it, thanks |
| 20:15.40 | jmcnaught | zerocool: just wondering, if you're getting the DEBUG messages in the journal isn't that good enough? You probably don't want DEBUG turned on forever |
| 20:16.07 | McErroneous | why does "service --status-all |grep ? " is show first 5 results only ? i know the question mark should be escaped, but it still works for the first 5 results, is that not funny ? how come ? any reports of links regarding that problem ? |
| 20:16.38 | zerocool | jmcnaught: im trying to collect a specific set of information from debug and it's kind of mixed in with unrelated information and moving at 3943982 lines per second |
| 20:16.44 | McErroneous | reports or links regarding that issue... |
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| 20:17.32 | greycat | McErroneous: your unquoted ? may match one or more files in your current directory, in which case the resulting grep command could do *anything* |
| 20:17.43 | greycat | McErroneous: try echo ? to see what it expands to |
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| 20:19.33 | mzajc | Either way, can anyone help me solve my issue with the NetworkManager-wait-online service. It times out and fails on boot, but starts immediately when manually restarted in userspace. |
| 20:19.37 | DammitJim | for a file server, should I use xfs or ext4? |
| 20:19.50 | DammitJim | I've always used ext4 but someone mentioned xfs recently... |
| 20:20.12 | McErroneous | greycat, question 1= yes, question2 = echo 2 ( unquoted) results in " 1 2 " on the prompt |
| 20:20.15 | annadane | mzajc, i guess you can maybe also try #systemd if #debian turns out to be clueless |
| 20:20.39 | apollo13 | mzajc: in userspace like after you logged in? |
| 20:20.41 | annadane | that's not especially helpful though |
| 20:20.43 | apollo13 | in the gui? |
| 20:21.00 | greycat | McErroneous: so, if echo ? expands to 1 2 then your earlier command expands to journalctl whatever | grep 1 2 which means the output of journalctl is ignored, and grep looks for the string 1 in the file named 2 |
| 20:21.18 | apollo13 | DammitJim: both probably work, rhel defaults to xfs and they probably have a reason :) |
| 20:21.42 | apollo13 | DammitJim: that said, depending on what you do on the server, btrfs/zfs could also be interesting |
| 20:21.54 | DammitJim | interesting... the guy I was talking to loves CentOS |
| 20:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | mzajc: Again, what release are you on? |
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| 20:22.11 | annadane | it's fun to think about how much longer debian will use ext4 by default |
| 20:22.14 | greycat | should also be noted that XFS is much more mature than ext4 |
| 20:22.25 | annadane | is it really? interesting |
| 20:22.45 | greycat | XFS is a high-performance 64-bit journaling file system created by Silicon Graphics, Inc (SGI) in 1993.[6] |
| 20:22.45 | DammitJim | xfs is more mature than ext4???? |
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| 20:22.52 | apollo13 | DammitJim: note, I also use rhel at work and for me ext4 as well as ext4 usually just work |
| 20:22.55 | greycat | 1993, dude |
| 20:22.58 | McErroneous | is confused |
| 20:23.20 | McErroneous | greycat.. thx.. |
| 20:23.22 | greycat | McErroneous: you had grep ? which has a question mark in it, which is special to the shell. |
| 20:23.40 | DammitJim | wow... when I was born! |
| 20:23.47 | greycat | I *think* you said that echo ? wrote 1 2 as output. It was hard to tell, because you wrote a bunch of weird shit. |
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| 20:24.08 | jhutchins_wk | mzajc: I see you're on buster, you should probably ask in #debian-next on oftc.net. You will have to register, which involves going to the oftc web page in addition to the regular nic identify. |
| 20:24.13 | activist | hi all. i am looking for a way to encrypt my Debian 9 with LUKS but at the same time i want to use a USB for /boot partition. I mean detached /boot partition with USB but i couldn't find a proper guide for this job. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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| 20:25.51 | DammitJim | cool... I think I'm going xfs, then! |
| 20:25.52 | McErroneous | greycat.., sorry that is how i am... |
| 20:26.14 | apollo13 | DammitJim: that is a rather unscientific decission |
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| 20:27.07 | DammitJim | I'll just tell the customer that apollo13 said so |
| 20:27.23 | apollo13 | oh customer system, I thought you were playing at home |
| 20:27.32 | McErroneous | greycat, but that the command worked for the first 5 of about 70 files is still wiered, is it ? |
| 20:27.41 | jhutchins_wk | I've seen more tools to work with ext filesystems than xfs - but just because *I* haven't seen them doesn't mean they're not out there. |
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| 20:27.50 | greycat | by comparison, ext4 was created in 2006. ext2 started in 1993, so that's tied with XFS, but ext4 is much newer. |
| 20:27.57 | apollo13 | DammitJim: that said, I'd evaluate more. what are your requorements. snapshots etc⦠it's not like one would choose a FS based on the year it was released |
| 20:28.12 | greycat | McErroneous: what's in the file named "2"? |
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| 20:28.43 | DammitJim | I don't really have a reason to change... ext4 has been great for me |
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| 20:28.56 | jhutchins_wk | guesses those are failed redirects. |
| 20:29.11 | McErroneous | hmmm.. , okay... i get it ... let me see what happens if i remove the file "2", because i might have created one while playing with redireccion.... |
| 20:29.28 | kinky_nekoboi | i am using seahorse with blank password ..but from time to time it set the password to my user login password |
| 20:29.33 | jcb2016 | guys i want to try jwm really quick but currently running mate how do i switch or change into another window manager? do i need to install lightdm or something else to be able to switch? |
| 20:29.42 | kinky_nekoboi | anybody knows this behaviour and has a way to prevent it ? |
| 20:29.47 | greycat | McErroneous: you should QUOTE the ? character instead of playing with files. But also bear in mind, "?" is not a valid regular expression, so who knows what grep would do with it. |
| 20:30.07 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes |
| 20:30.15 | jhutchins_wk | jcb2016: You should already have a login manager installed. |
| 20:30.39 | jcb2016 | jhutchins_wk, i have the default mate installed when i logout i can login but there is no option to change the window manager |
| 20:30.41 | greycat | well, ... actually '?' is a valid BRE, it just doesn't mean what you might expect it to mean. |
| 20:30.43 | McErroneous | greycat.., nice one.. |
| 20:31.12 | jhutchins_wk | jcb2016: Have you installed the other window manager? |
| 20:31.13 | greycat | it's an invalid ERE (grep -E) but GNU grep on buster appears to accept it without error messages |
| 20:31.18 | jcb2016 | jhutchins_wk, yep |
| 20:31.32 | jhutchins_wk | jcb2016: From a Debian stable package? |
| 20:31.47 | jcb2016 | jhutchins_wk, yep im running stable |
| 20:31.58 | coyotea | aooooooo! my friend's usb drive isn't showing up. lsusb though does show it |
| 20:32.03 | coyotea | help? |
| 20:32.14 | jcb2016 | don't i need to install another DM to be able to switch window managers? jhutchins_wk? |
| 20:32.17 | jhutchins_wk | jcb2016: I'd check the account/login settings menu then (I'm not familiar with mate). |
| 20:32.53 | jhutchins_wk | jcb2016: Not afik. Light should be able to handle it. The button/box/menu might not be obvious. |
| 20:33.20 | greycat | jcb2016: either put the appropriate line in your .xsession if you use one, or do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 20:34.04 | greycat | I don't think lightdm has switchers for regular window managers; just for big ol' honking Desktop Environments (x-session-manager) |
| 20:34.13 | jcb2016 | ok |
| 20:34.31 | jcb2016 | i just changed the dm with the update-alternatives. let me check |
| 20:35.09 | jhutchins_wk | jcb2016: I think you can configure session= in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf as well. |
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| 20:35.36 | apollo13 | DammitJim: oh internet failed me, I took your "cool... I think I'm going xfs, then!" to serious |
| 20:35.46 | DammitJim | ;) |
| 20:36.20 | apollo13 | DammitJim: then again IRC :D |
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| 20:45.35 | annadane | i can see icewm on my lightdm |
| 20:45.55 | greycat | OK, guess I was wrong then. I thought it only showed x-session-manager entries |
| 20:46.54 | jhutchins_wk | coyotea: I usually look in dmesg to see what the kernel thinks has been done with it. |
| 20:47.16 | jhutchins_wk | coyotea: Depending on your desktop/file manager, you may need to mount it manually. |
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| 21:04.55 | chana | could anyone here help me with an ipsec issue? its not exactly debian related exactly, though one of the systems is debian |
| 21:05.16 | apollo13 | chana: I assume the software is strongswan? |
| 21:05.21 | chana | yes |
| 21:05.36 | apollo13 | then you are better off in #strongswan unless it is very debian specific |
| 21:05.58 | chana | no one seems to be responding there |
| 21:06.33 | apollo13 | just because you got no answer in 10 minutes? |
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| 21:07.00 | chana | because im looking for help? |
| 21:07.44 | apollo13 | so what? you are not paying for an answer and ten minutes is to much to wait? XD |
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| 21:08.48 | chana | apollo13: is it illegal to ask for help in more than one place |
| 21:08.50 | chana | ? |
| 21:09.14 | ksk | no, but we do not like crossposting in here anyways. |
| 21:09.22 | apollo13 | it's kinda rude ;) anyways, what I am trying to say is that quite a few people are active in #strongswan during UTC times |
| 21:09.41 | apollo13 | and eleven pm is kinda late for that, so you will have to be patient |
| 21:09.47 | EdePopede | your assumption that "no one seems to be responding there" just because you didn't get your answer after 10 minutes as it seems, is simply incorrect. |
| 21:10.09 | chana | ... |
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| 21:12.22 | ksk | chana: irc is totally fine to be used asynchronously. you can ask a question, and people have the possibility to answer hours or even days later - and will do so if they think they can help. |
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| 21:13.01 | chana | ksk: i understand that i just thought i would come to a channel with a few more people to see if anyone was available |
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| 21:13.14 | chana | but it seems that people here are more instersted in just picking on someone than helping |
| 21:13.30 | ksk | you should not assume that. |
| 21:14.01 | chana | that is how it appears to me, im not demanding help, just asking, if you dont want to help then thats fine |
| 21:14.13 | chana | but if you want to have a whole meta-conversation about something else, thats silly |
| 21:14.35 | ksk | its actually helping you to get more answers, but I will drop it now :P |
| 21:14.54 | avu | chana: they are not demanding you taking part in that conversatin, just offering, if you don't want to participate then that's fine |
| 21:14.57 | avu | ;p |
| 21:15.11 | EdePopede | you've been pointed to your wrong assumptions. first step to help is to know about the topic. and i don't even know what strongswan is, and i'm sure most users don't know it either, if they don't have to do anything with it |
| 21:15.35 | chana | EdePopede: then why are you even part of this conversation |
| 21:15.53 | chana | heaven forbid i ask to ask in two different channels |
| 21:16.09 | EdePopede | the alternative would obviously have been to not react at all, leaving you with 2 channels where "no one seems to be responding" instead of just one |
| 21:17.14 | EdePopede | and there are also users asking and leaving after 10 minutes or half an hour or whatever. only to return the next day and leaving again. to repeat the game on the following game again. |
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| 21:17.25 | EdePopede | s/game/day/ |
| 21:17.55 | chana | EdePopede: which is not what im doing im just looking for help |
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| 21:19.02 | r15 | hi, i created a bootable iso using bootcd, want to add an option for the installatin from live bootcd |
| 21:19.28 | r15 | which package/s would provide install to disk option? |
| 21:19.34 | EdePopede | right. ask, wait for the answer. ask again after some time, but not after 10 minutes. fluctuation of regulars usually is not that high. irc is teatime friendly. take scound and a cup and enjoy your staying until someone has an answer for you. |
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| 21:19.56 | chana | EdePopede: i dont need a lecture on using irc, thanks |
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| 21:20.49 | m4ch1n3znc | > webirc |
| 21:20.54 | m4ch1n3znc | :D |
| 21:21.01 | EdePopede | pst! |
| 21:21.12 | chana | yeah not on webirc... sorry |
| 21:22.18 | jmcnaught | chana: hey I think you should just ask your question, at this point it's clear you've also asked elsewhere. If someone can and wants to help, they will. |
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| 21:23.51 | milkt | is this channel logged publicly? followed dpkg irclog link but can't see log after 2019 Feb 14 |
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| 21:26.27 | ksk | !log |
| 21:26.27 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>. |
| 21:26.30 | ksk | !irclog |
| 21:26.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
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| 21:27.12 | ksk | mhhhm.. |
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| 21:28.36 | ksk | the oftc logging seems to work, and its admin has code at githug: https://github.com/mikegrb/Thegrebs.com-IRCLogViewer - seems we miss a service/volunteer running that though.. |
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| 21:29.43 | milkt | oh yes, could see today's oftc #debian log, but not freenode #debian one |
| 21:31.08 | milkt | i can see some small log if specify date directly with url, http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20190512.html.gz |
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| 21:31.40 | milkt | maybe storage ran out or something ... ? |
| 21:32.22 | ksk | "http://rikers.org/" looks really nice, much 2019 :D |
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| 21:32.41 | ksk | you can message him on icq ;) |
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| 21:40.27 | Tenkawa | hmm dont know what happened but the 5.1.1 kernel update seem to get rid of that acpi nvidia syslog flood i was gettimg |
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| 21:40.37 | Tenkawa | yay |
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| 21:43.24 | milkt | not familiar with other messaging platform TwT |
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| 21:46.21 | ksk | TwT? |
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| 21:49.46 | milkt | crying face |
| 21:50.15 | ksk | I have problems parsing that, but okay :D |
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| 21:57.04 | annadane | abolish text emojis! |
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| 22:05.32 | ksk | nah, Im totally a text emoji guy, but cant just get that one ;) |
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| 22:47.11 | jhutchins | annadane: Soon there will be no text, only emojis. |
| 22:47.54 | annadane | >:( |
| 22:48.24 | jhutchins | ... and Chinese pictograms. |
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| 22:52.59 | McErroneous | :-)) |
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| 23:22.11 | metbsd | my debian xfce4 has no sound |
| 23:22.54 | annadane | did it have sound before? |
| 23:23.07 | metbsd | no |
| 23:23.19 | metbsd | it's been using as console only |
| 23:23.26 | metbsd | but i recently add xfc34 to it |
| 23:23.49 | annadane | basically i guess if you want to use pulseaudio, install that and pavucontrol and make sure channels aren't muted in pavucontrol, turn the volume up, etc |
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| 23:24.39 | metbsd | it's already installed |
| 23:26.25 | metbsd | i don't see the sound icon |
| 23:27.01 | annadane | open the pavucontrol application? |
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| 23:39.26 | annadane | (even though i think pulseaudio is a broken pile of garbage in Stretch, hopefully Buster fixes it) |
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| 23:44.03 | metbsd | yes it's working well |
| 23:44.15 | metbsd | whatelse can we use instead of pulseaudio |
| 23:44.38 | metbsd | this debian works very well with my old laptop |
| 23:44.45 | annadane | there's alsa but i don't think alsa allows you to change output sources for specific applications... i'm not too familiar with sound |
| 23:45.01 | metbsd | i wonder what's ubuntu better than debian |
| 23:46.46 | starsaboveus | me personally, I would stick with debian. this is coming from someone who started off using *buntu and mint. :P |
| 23:46.51 | Chex | I just spent 2 weeks trying to get stretch and buster installed on my Ryzen5 2400G, gave up, and put Ubu 19.04 on it, worked perfectly. |
| 23:47.11 | Chex | the funky 'G' GPU on the CPU thru debian display drivers for a loop. |
| 23:47.14 | metbsd | maybe debian is old hardware friendly |
| 23:47.23 | starsaboveus | although I understand switching to ubuntu for hardware compatibility. that was the biggest hurdle for me before switching. |
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| 23:47.51 | Chex | s/thru/threw/ |
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| 23:49.31 | Tenkawa | was anyone around for the OSS audio days? |
| 23:49.42 | Tenkawa | now that was rough |
| 23:50.09 | starsaboveus | lol, I remember reading a couple of old linux guides for installing unreal tournament w/ oss-compatibility |
| 23:50.18 | starsaboveus | seems like it was a pretty dark age for gnu/linux |
| 23:50.58 | Tenkawa | it was scattered... thats for sure |
| 23:51.17 | Tenkawa | I dont miss it |
| 23:51.46 | Tenkawa | I'm not a huge fan of pulse either though |
| 23:52.09 | Tenkawa | alsa was great for me |
| 23:52.20 | starsaboveus | I think pulseaudio has definitely gotten better in recent years, although I heard it's hell for audio production envs |
| 23:52.24 | Tenkawa | the way it was going |
| 23:52.56 | Tenkawa | starsaboveus: bummer |
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| 23:53.49 | starsaboveus | I'm kind of a newbie when it comes to gnu/linux, tbh. my first distro was ubuntu 14.04 and I was just happy to be away from windows 10, haha |
| 23:54.34 | Tenkawa | i'd really like to see better tools like cakewalk, sonar, etc in linux... but thats going to take some major api standardization |
| 23:55.09 | Tenkawa | has been using linux since 93 and unix a bit longer |
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| 23:57.54 | starsaboveus | lol, that's awesome! I've looked at a few old linux distros and they made me feel oddly nostalgic. feel like I probably saw old versions of ubuntu (8.04, etc) in public places? so hard to remember since I was 10 then, lol |
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| 23:58.30 | starsaboveus | yeah, I would love to see something like FL studio come to linux someday..but like you said, we need more standards and less divergence |
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| 23:59.32 | Tenkawa | Slackware always brings back memories when I see it |
| 23:59.47 | Tenkawa | my first distrib |
| 23:59.47 | starsaboveus | I remember ubuntu 14.04 running on computers at the community college in my hometown, but you could only tell when the slideshow wasn't on :P |
