| 00:00.22 | ksk | replace "ufw change config" with a wrapper, which logs some stuff, and then calls ufw maybe? could decrease performance though |
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| 00:02.05 | techexo | I was thinking maybe have a cron job watching the file, and make a diff with the previous version when modifying time changed? |
| 00:02.29 | EdePopede | or even a simple loop checking its mdate and md5 |
| 00:03.45 | techexo | EdePopede, yes, but I wouldn't know what was the modification made with md5 |
| 00:04.06 | techexo | or did you suggest to hash it every X min and diff it when md5 changed? |
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| 00:04.39 | EdePopede | just as a first test to see if something was going on. though making a diff maybe wouldn't be much more work |
| 00:04.43 | EdePopede | yep |
| 00:05.22 | EdePopede | first mdate, then hash, then diff |
| 00:05.48 | techexo | I think I will go that way. In my first script attempt, I was diffing the stdout of ufw status verbose, which didn't work with cron. I just thought about checking the files two mins ago... >.< |
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| 00:07.04 | techexo | Thanks EdePopede & ksk |
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| 00:07.16 | EdePopede | even in the days of GHz CPUs i like to keep things cheap ;) |
| 00:08.21 | techexo | On a self-hosted server, cheap is good ;) |
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| 00:09.23 | techexo | Stupid question: is there a way to store variables between two iterations of a shell script beside "tmp" file? |
| 00:09.46 | techexo | (yup, I'm not that good scripting :P) |
| 00:09.59 | ksk | not really. |
| 00:10.29 | techexo | Great (means I have an idea how it works :D) |
| 00:10.39 | ksk | in a master script which runs forever and starts the iterations for you of this other script |
| 00:12.59 | EdePopede | what about some... exec $($script) where it outputs some foo=bar at the end? |
| 00:13.11 | EdePopede | though maybe this shouldn't be done |
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| 00:13.48 | techexo | Honestly I'll go the dirty way as it is not of crucial importance here. Thanks for your help |
| 00:14.00 | SerajewelKS | is there some tool in debian for taking a specific image and finding a duplicate of a different size in a library? ideally being able to pre-process the library into an index of some kind that can speed up the search. |
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| 00:14.22 | SerajewelKS | the goal is to, given a low-resolution version of an image, locate the full-resolution version |
| 00:14.26 | SerajewelKS | but many times, not just once |
| 00:14.53 | EdePopede | using image recognition? |
| 00:15.16 | SerajewelKS | that's kind of a vague term |
| 00:15.37 | SerajewelKS | the only manipulation will have been proportional scaling |
| 00:15.43 | EdePopede | like "here's an image and there is a fullsize version of it in the library, where is it?" |
| 00:15.47 | SerajewelKS | so i don't need any kind of deep learning here |
| 00:16.54 | SerajewelKS | but i do need lookups to be fairly fast |
| 00:17.04 | EdePopede | on the other end of the scale there would be thumbnail creation, and xdg has some ideas for it, like the thumbnail name is the md5 of the path and the original path is stored in the thumbnail file |
| 00:17.25 | SerajewelKS | right but assume that the image has been resized by a third party and they have no desire to retain any information about the original |
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| 00:20.11 | EdePopede | sounds like what upladfilter would have to do now in the EU, and i'm not sure too many people really trust those things to do a good job |
| 00:21.30 | EdePopede | couldn't they even cheat some access system (iMac or what it was) by drawing some lines into their faces? |
| 00:22.11 | SerajewelKS | probably but that's not relevant here |
| 00:22.19 | m4ch1n3znc | resize has no effect on proportions in image, you can try googles reverse image search |
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| 00:22.43 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure how my original request is being this fantastically misunderstood |
| 00:22.46 | m4ch1n3znc | and resize an image |
| 00:22.55 | m4ch1n3znc | :D |
| 00:23.33 | EdePopede | i know what you mean (at least i think i know it ;)) but in the end it's all about comparing 2 images and see if they match or not |
| 00:24.18 | SerajewelKS | i have a library of images that are mine. some of those have been uploaded to a third party and we didn't realize they would be resized. we are trying to reconcile them. |
| 00:24.19 | EdePopede | fingerprinting would be the way to go, or not |
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| 00:25.10 | m4ch1n3znc | quantum computing cv |
| 00:25.26 | m4ch1n3znc | :3 |
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| 00:28.16 | SerajewelKS | for a sense of scale, we're trying to locate 200-300 images among a set of ~31,000 |
| 00:28.31 | SerajewelKS | which is why i'm hoping there is some way to preprocess the library into an index of fingerprints |
| 00:31.54 | EdePopede | something like this? https://realpython.com/fingerprinting-images-for-near-duplicate-detection/ |
| 00:32.20 | SerajewelKS | i came across that too :) wasn't sure if there was something pre-existing in debian |
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| 00:33.59 | EdePopede | uh. 40k+ packages. i really like the debtags approach, but a lot of packages aren't perfect here. |
| 00:35.15 | bigMouthCommie | using vlc to stream, getting an error in cli console and unable to connect to the stream remotely |
| 00:35.21 | bigMouthCommie | $ vlc pl.m3u --sout '#standard{access=http,mux=ogg,dst=localhost:5900}' |
| 00:35.24 | bigMouthCommie | http access out: Consider passing --http-host=IP on the command line instead. |
| 00:35.37 | EdePopede | ,v findimagedupes |
| 00:35.38 | judd | Package: findimagedupes on amd64 -- jessie: 2.18-6; stretch: 2.18-6+b2; buster: 2.18-7; sid: 2.18-7 |
| 00:36.06 | SerajewelKS | EdePopede: i read the linked article in depth and it specifically states that the fingerprinting approach does not work for images that are of different sizes, so that's out :( |
| 00:36.54 | SerajewelKS | findimagedupes suffers the problem that it has to process every image pair, AIUI. so lookups against a big library are really slow. |
| 00:37.11 | SerajewelKS | i actually wrote a tool a long time ago to do pretty much this, maybe i should dig that up... |
| 00:37.36 | SerajewelKS | it scaled everything to a fixed size (512x512 i think) then did a very similar fingerprinting thing |
| 00:38.41 | SerajewelKS | this was over a decade ago though |
| 00:38.51 | EdePopede | debtags search 'use::searching && works-with::image:raster' also brought up gnuift |
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| 00:39.19 | EdePopede | ah that's the trick maybe, to scale them down before |
| 00:39.39 | SerajewelKS | EdePopede: oh gnuift is a good find, thanks |
| 00:39.47 | SerajewelKS | that looks very close to what i'm looking for |
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| 01:19.24 | deb-test | How do I install the torbrowser-launcher package? It does not appear to be available from stretch-backports. |
| 01:20.28 | milkt | deb-test: you have to enable contrib i think |
| 01:20.55 | dvs | ,v torbrowser-launcher |
| 01:20.56 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 0.3.1-2 |
| 01:21.09 | dvs | not in stretch-contrib |
| 01:22.07 | wald0 | how to install gnome with wayland in buster? |
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| 01:26.02 | milkt | yeah i think i installed torbrowser-launcher from backport contrib few weeks ago |
| 01:26.11 | milkt | not in there now |
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| 01:28.21 | m4ch1n3znc | https://blog.torproject.org/mozilla-research-call-tune-tor-integration-and-scale |
| 01:28.51 | m4ch1n3znc | that sounds pretty neat |
| 01:30.08 | m4ch1n3znc | hmm no torbrowser launcher in buster 2 |
| 01:30.31 | m4ch1n3znc | have nonfree & contrib enabled |
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| 01:32.23 | jmcnaught | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926042 |
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| 02:22.07 | karlpinc | ,v torbrowser-launcher |
| 02:22.08 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 0.3.1-2 |
| 02:22.22 | karlpinc | m4ch1n3znc: Looks like it did not make it into buster. |
| 02:22.30 | dvs | I did that earlier |
| 02:22.44 | karlpinc | dvs: Ah, so you did. |
| 02:23.52 | melpy | uoods: thanks, all intel users should upgrade to the latest kernel http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1905.1/05371.html |
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| 02:58.42 | jcb2016 | anyone help me with not being able to close my lid for 5 mins and the screen just blank white and i have to ctrl+alt+Del to reboot. any ideas? |
| 02:58.52 | jcb2016 | im on debian stable 9.9 |
| 03:01.16 | dvs | Power setting in System Settings? |
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| 03:02.00 | jcb2016 | dvs, it says when laptop lid is closed: suspend |
| 03:02.04 | jcb2016 | should i change that? |
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| 03:02.24 | annadane | a laptop having problems with suspend may be a missing firmware issue i guess |
| 03:02.33 | dvs | jcb2016, that would be my guess |
| 03:02.54 | jcb2016 | when i boot up i have lots of missing firmware it says. would dmesg show this? |
| 03:02.59 | annadane | yes |
| 03:03.04 | annadane | dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 03:03.06 | jcb2016 | ok let me paste dmesg |
| 03:04.13 | jcb2016 | http://dpaste.com/3QPR3BX |
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| 03:06.59 | dvs | looks like firmware-amd-graphics is missing |
| 03:07.13 | jcb2016 | yep how can i fix this? just google searches? |
| 03:07.52 | dvs | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
| 03:07.53 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1 |
| 03:08.31 | jcb2016 | dvs, where did you get im missing firmware-amd-graphics? |
| 03:08.40 | jcb2016 | i don't see that in the dmesg |
| 03:08.50 | annadane | [ 11.998239] [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-amd-graphics. |
| 03:09.12 | jcb2016 | oh there o_O |
| 03:09.30 | xcorshinex | is there anyone using crunchplusplus debian os? |
| 03:09.32 | jcb2016 | could be this the reason why i can't suspend? |
| 03:09.34 | annadane | i don't suppose rtl_nic is responsible for the failed suspend though you can try one at a time i guess |
| 03:10.05 | annadane | xcorshinex, ask ##linux maybe, this channel is for pure debian support |
| 03:10.36 | xcorshinex | annadane: crunchplusplus is debian |
| 03:10.56 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 03:10.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:10.57 | dvs | !crunch++ |
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| 03:11.23 | xcorshinex | Oh I see, okay thanks |
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| 03:12.34 | jcb2016 | dvs, should i install the backport of fimware-amd-graphics to get a most recent version? |
| 03:13.01 | annadane | generally if you don't know you need a backport for something the answer is "no" |
| 03:13.20 | dvs | jcb2016, R600 is not a new chipset |
| 03:14.24 | jcb2016 | ok so i will install the stable one |
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| 03:17.59 | annadane | well actually to be fair it's a good question |
| 03:18.08 | annadane | i suppose for some cards then yes backports is the right answer |
| 03:18.10 | annadane | i shouldn't be dismissive |
| 03:18.44 | jcb2016 | ok one down |
| 03:18.54 | annadane | remember to reboot, to apply those changes |
| 03:19.11 | jcb2016 | ok |
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| 03:24.32 | annadane | i wouldn't change anything now but yes, people installing debian on laptops generally get recommended to use the non free firmware image |
| 03:24.39 | annadane | though to be fair that's mainly for wifi |
| 03:24.53 | annadane | AFAIK |
| 03:27.14 | dvs | for wifi and graphics card |
| 03:27.16 | dvs | s |
| 03:28.12 | annadane | yes well i use nvidia on desktop so i'm not immune from this hellscape |
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| 04:01.40 | volatilevic_ | on debian stretch I get an error: invalid command 'bdist_wheel' |
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| 04:06.30 | met | volatilevic_, what are you trying to do? |
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| 04:12.23 | annadane | volatilevic__, if it's within a virtualenv just do pip install wheel |
| 04:12.27 | annadane | (and never use root with pip) |
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| 04:14.22 | volatilevic__ | anyone with experience dealing with error failed building wheel in debian stretch? |
| 04:15.03 | voltagex | volatilevic__: you'll have to provide more information than that |
| 04:17.49 | volatilevic__ | I am installing the lenovo-throttle fix and its using python3 but it fails to build the python wheels it says error: invalid command 'bdist_wheel' worked without errors in ubuntu 18.04 but in stretch it gave me errors. |
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| 04:35.01 | thor | sup |
| 04:36.12 | JonHanDin | Sup thor - Nice handle |
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| 04:37.18 | thor | thanks debian rocks |
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| 04:40.36 | JonHanDin | thor: You are damn right && looks like a friend of yours has joined |
| 04:41.12 | JonHanDin | thor: preferred debian release? im a ubuntu user looking to move away to a new experience |
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| 04:41.51 | JonHanDin | ooops. thor has gone - open question: |
| 04:41.51 | JonHanDin | preferred debian release? im a ubuntu user looking to move away to a new experience |
| 04:43.25 | ironman | i've used debian stable in all my suits helped me to the end before I snapped my fingers and saved the world but thats my two cents. |
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| 04:55.21 | _Random_ | hey guys I've been using linux for a number of yrs, I'm no techie & I'd like to set up a pc as a multimedia/nas box for the purpose odf streaming media on a home network. what do you guys suggest that will be fairly easy for a novice. Btw, a couple of ios devices will need to access the media files |
| 04:58.13 | _Random_ | hardware is i5-3470 128 Gig ssd, internal 2 *500G 2 1/2 'sata, 1 * 1tb 3 1/2" internal sata to. Pc box is sff hp-8300 |
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| 05:05.47 | annadane | it sounds suspiciously like volatile is using root but now we can't help them because they left |
| 05:05.48 | zellfaze | _Random_: My setup is to use Sonarr, Lidarr, Jackett, Deluge, and Jellyfin on a Raspberry Pi. |
| 05:06.14 | _Random_ | zellfaze: thanks |
| 05:06.37 | zellfaze | The folks at #sonarr probably know way more about this sort of thing than me. |
| 05:06.57 | annadane | JonHanDin, i like stable. because that's debian's focus, it tends to work for most people, etc. imo if you're going to run rolling then run an actual rolling distro |
| 05:07.04 | _Random_ | other than raspberry Pi, im not aware of the others :D |
| 05:07.05 | annadane | even tho many people do run testing/sid comfortably |
| 05:07.26 | zellfaze | Jellyfin is the actual application for streaming your stuff. Lidarr and Sonarr are for finding media. |
| 05:07.29 | annadane | stable + the occasional backport tends to suit most people |
| 05:07.46 | zellfaze | Jackett acts as a translator between the way you search Usenet and the way you search Torrent Indexers. |
| 05:07.50 | zellfaze | And Deluge is a bittorrent tracker. |
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| 05:30.22 | JonHanDin | If i connect to a nordvpn proxy over Port 80, am i exposing my credentials when I am connecting? are the creds sent in plaintext? |
| 05:32.43 | ceptor | JonHanDin: Depends on the protocol, but generally the credentials will be encrypted. |
| 05:34.07 | JonHanDin | ceptor: Forgive my ignorance; i'm using the ubuntu network mgmt GUI. I dont know if that can add any further insight? |
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| 05:38.34 | ceptor | JonHanDin, I took a look at the list of protocols supported by your provider, looks like they are using OpenVPN or IKEv2/IPsec. The details don't matter here, as both of them will provide strong encryption in your case. |
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| 05:40.14 | JonHanDin | ceptor: Thank you very much for taking the time to look into that for me. That make me more comfortable. Wishing you all the best! |
| 05:40.28 | ceptor | So even though the connection uses port 80, the spoken protocol is not unencrypted HTTP (since you can use custom ports for most protocols). I can imagine they are doing this just for their users behind a firewall. |
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| 05:42.53 | JonHanDin | ceptor: That is exactly what i was looking for. I can't express my gratitude for your time taken here. Thanks very much!! |
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| 05:49.37 | cbilt | ceptor: well done |
| 05:50.55 | JonHanDin | cbilt: seconded! |
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| 05:51.15 | cbilt | oh sorry |
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| 05:52.49 | milkt | JonHanDin: you can analyze packet yourself or contact nordvpn support directly i guess |
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| 05:56.05 | JonHanDin | milkt: Are you speaking of a wireshark like situation? As for support, that is something that is now on my list for the day |
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| 06:00.27 | milkt | yeah something like tcpdump or wireshark etc, also have no idea about what are you trying to say with latter half of message |
| 06:03.20 | JonHanDin | milkt: Wireshark im familiar with and so will use that! Forgive me, truly poor language use: My to-do list for the day, i will contact Nordvpn support |
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| 06:06.23 | melpy | JonHanDin: You can verify the authentication method being used by navigating to - networkmanager -> edit connections -> edit- VPN/openvpn/nordvpn -> authentication/advanced |
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| 06:12.03 | JonHanDin | melpy: Im using the nordvpn as an installed application rather than using the OpenVPN interface. in your opinion, should I dl the config packs and use the OpenVPN interface? |
| 06:12.33 | JonHanDin | melpy: forgive me if i have misunderstood your reply. I'm a networking noob in all honesty |
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| 06:26.01 | melpy | JonHanDin: systemctl status nordvpnd - to find the location of the ovpn configuration file in use by the nordvpn app |
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| 06:34.24 | JonHanDin | melpy: I ran the command you sent and returned 'Unit nordvpnd.service could not be found.' |
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| 06:48.55 | melpy | JonHandin: I believe you will find all the ovpn configurations files for each server in this directory /etc/openvpn/, that is if you want to know specifically which cipher/key/certifcate/protocol is in use |
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| 07:21.55 | JonHanDin | melpy: Thank you, you are absolutely right! Thanks so much for the information that you have given me today. It has helped me massively |
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| 09:28.51 | fling | how to install flash player plugin for firefox esr properly? |
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| 09:37.45 | melpy | https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Installation |
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| 09:42.31 | sourcream | How do I saw iptables, I tried using iptables-persistent but after reboot /etc/iptables/rules.v4 was empty |
| 09:42.36 | sourcream | save* |
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| 09:44.04 | melpy | iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 09:45.16 | sourcream | melpy, permission denied when trying with sudo |
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| 09:45.23 | sourcream | sudo su and then that? |
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| 09:45.45 | sourcream | also do I need to enable some service after install iptables-persistent |
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| 09:46.46 | milkt | sourcream: how did you save iptables rules? are you using any other firewall? or using any other iptables-related packages? |
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| 09:48.24 | sourcream | nvm dudes, now its working. Somehow the rules.v4 got empty once after restart even that i checked it was correct before reboot |
| 09:48.25 | sourcream | works now |
| 09:48.27 | sourcream | thanks though |
| 09:48.48 | SZO | Someone want to give me a hand with a quick kernel config question |
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| 09:49.36 | kolla | depends what the quick kernel config question is |
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| 09:49.45 | milkt | !anyone |
| 09:49.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 09:51.39 | SZO | Im running a Phenom II 1090t and I would like to know what to set the cpu family as |
| 09:51.42 | SZO | Operon/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 Generic-x86-64 |
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| 09:52.36 | SZO | I believe the 1090t is a K10 |
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| 09:56.04 | ksk | SZO: not a debian question? did you google? http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20II%20X6%201090T%20Black%20Edition%20-%20HDT90ZFBK6DGR%20%28HDT90ZFBGRBOX%29.html |
| 09:56.36 | ksk | also, what do you mean by "set cpu familiy"? Imho you dont need to set anything regarding to debian, it just works using a cpu.. |
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| 09:58.47 | SZO | I am configuring a kernel for a debian system and the documentation for linux and this cpu is limited. |
| 09:58.58 | SZO | I will find another place to ask. Thankyou for your time |
| 09:59.42 | ksk | behold the additonal 10k filesize, if you make it work on all CPUs (a wild guess..) |
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| 10:31.47 | colo-work | I'm thinking of providing users in the office Debian-based "remote workstations" on big iron that's acting as a Xen HV. I'd like them to be able to use their browser (via apache guacamole) to connect to a persistent remote desktop session on a number of shared domUs. has anyone of you ever set up something like this with/on Debian, or knows a project that's kina alike to what I have in mind? |
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| 10:34.37 | ksk | didnt know guacamole, looks nice! |
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| 10:35.00 | bhuddah | colo-work: all i can say is you're in for quite a ride when you have a downtime and nobody can do any work. |
| 10:35.17 | ksk | totally yes, you create a single point of failure. |
| 10:35.22 | colo-work | bhuddah, yeah, I'm aware of that :) |
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| 10:35.32 | ksk | you might make it clustered etc, but still.. |
| 10:35.46 | bhuddah | colo-work: still your awareness will reach another level once that happens to you. |
| 10:36.21 | colo-work | I've been professionally operating a HA compute environment for more than seven years. I think I have the required awareness already. |
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| 10:38.41 | colo-work | hmm, seems like guacamole hasn't made it into buster :/ |
| 10:39.22 | ksk | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926275 |
| 10:39.50 | ksk | ,v tomcat9 |
| 10:39.51 | judd | Package: tomcat9 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 9.0.16-1~bpo9+1; buster: 9.0.16-3; sid: 9.0.16-3 |
| 10:39.59 | ksk | ,v tomcat8 |
| 10:40.00 | judd | Package: tomcat8 on amd64 -- jessie: 8.0.14-1+deb8u11; jessie-security: 8.0.14-1+deb8u14; stretch: 8.5.14-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 8.5.14-1+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 8.5.38-2~bpo9+1; experimental: 8.5.39-1 |
| 10:40.09 | ksk | mhhmkay.. |
| 10:40.39 | ksk | tomcat8 is EOL since 30 June 2018: |
| 10:40.46 | ksk | so it seams guacamole is ded? :( |
| 10:41.10 | colo-work | I guess the "depends" only refers to the package metadata. I can't imagine guacamole not working with a more recent tomcat release |
| 10:41.14 | colo-work | (but I might be wrong) |
| 10:41.44 | ksk | I would assume they would just have changed the depends to tomcat9 if that would have been an option. |
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| 10:42.19 | colo-work | idk, the package doesn't seem very actively maintained |
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| 10:43.54 | colo-work | seems like there's an unresolved dependency problem in regard to freerdp |
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| 10:45.01 | colo-work | with https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GUACAMOLE-249 being the upstream issue everything else blocks on |
| 10:46.06 | jelly | ,v guacamole |
| 10:46.07 | judd | Package: guacamole on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.3-1.1; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.9.9+dfsg-1 |
| 10:47.15 | jelly | SZO: what are you missing in default distro kernel? |
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| 11:09.26 | talin | hello. is there any package containing the source for glibc? specifically i am looking for malloc.c such that i can use it in gdb |
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| 11:12.51 | colo-work | talin, check out "glibc-source" |
| 11:13.14 | themill | For debugging, you'd often use the dbgsym packages not the source |
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| 11:15.01 | talin | colo-work: can't find that one |
| 11:15.09 | talin | themill: hmm, okay |
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| 11:15.40 | colo-work | ,v glibc-source |
| 11:15.41 | judd | Package: glibc-source on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; sid: 2.25-2; sid: 2.25-3; sid: 2.28-8; buster: 2.28-10; sid: 2.28-10 |
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| 11:23.00 | jelly | huh. why is that a binary package |
| 11:24.29 | colo-work | I have no idea :) |
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| 11:45.37 | suchademon1 | Hello there, one short question, on the repos located at apt.puppetlabs.com the PC1 is not available any more for dists/jessie, was that a mistake or planed? |
| 11:46.26 | ksk | suchademon1: ask puppet? not a debian issue at all. |
| 11:46.56 | themill | not surprising that people are no longer supporting jessie |
| 11:47.35 | suchademon1 | ah sorry wrong room :D |
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| 12:16.38 | riezaizu | Why does the debian installer not use IEC units when partitioning? |
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| 12:23.54 | jelly | riezaizu: whichever units it chooses, the other half of users will complain |
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| 12:28.47 | tradar | IEC units make much more sense. Possibly the installer should give the user the chance to decide which units to use and switch to. Either IEC's, SI's, cylinders, sectors.. like parted. |
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| 12:36.36 | colo-work | damn. x2go is pretty impressive for what I have in mind. |
| 12:36.51 | colo-work | (requires a "native" client executable, but that'd be OK for the purpose) |
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| 12:47.11 | ksk | yeah, x2go is nice :) |
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| 12:49.30 | ksk | (xtight)vnc might be another option. |
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| 12:51.38 | yokowka | is your firefox browser open youtube? |
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| 12:53.02 | ksk | yokowka: pardon? If the question is "can I use youtube on a debian/firefox system" - Im inclined to say yes.. |
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| 12:54.01 | colo-work | yokowka, videos do work, but the UI renders unusable. no text being displayed etc. |
| 12:54.02 | ksk | google/youtube is quick with changes though, and firefox in debian is based on ESR, which can lead to problems sometimes |
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| 12:54.11 | colo-work | (firefox esr from Debian Stretch and Buster) |
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| 12:54.53 | ksk | (and I was going around telling everyone, that nowadays you could install (debian) linux and use youtube (with sound!) out of the box :X ) |
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| 12:55.54 | colo-work | looks like this for me: https://imgur.com/a/Sx1BoHb |
| 12:56.04 | yokowka | now i've got firefox esr in debian 9 and no youtube since one hour from now..... also when started buster? |
| 12:56.22 | ksk | buster is not out yet, its still testing. |
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| 12:57.39 | yokowka | colo-work, i have such look on youtube too |
| 12:58.34 | yokowka | it's seemed broken. on debill gates oknah youtube is working.... |
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| 13:27.25 | enoq | should you run apt-get upgrade -y when building your container? |
| 13:27.51 | jelly | yokowka: English-speaking world has no idea what oknah are. |
| 13:28.42 | jelly | but see if chromium fails as well. |
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| 13:42.57 | botho | hello |
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| 13:45.04 | botho | i would like to mirror a debian stretch repo for amd64 only, would ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/ be the right url to mirror? but i want strech specifically, not stable. any ideas where to look? |
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| 13:45.36 | themill | debmirror can do that for you and no, you don't just mirror a URL |
| 13:46.07 | karlpinc | !mirror |
| 13:46.07 | dpkg | The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:46.29 | greycat | !debmirror |
| 13:46.29 | dpkg | debmirror is a script to create a partial Debian mirror. Receiving "public key not found" errors from gpgv? Use "gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --export | gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring trustedkeys.gpg --import" or "gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring trustedkeys.gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys <key ID>" to add the required key to ~/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg. See also <mirrors>. |
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| 13:55.09 | gie | hi, on debian 9 i added the php sury repo, and install php 7.1 packages - all good so far - now i want to install php-imagick and it installs php7.3 packages that come with it. how can i prevent this? it should be all php7.1 at the end. |
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| 13:56.17 | greycat | The horror show never ends, does it. |
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| 13:57.41 | gie | greycat: what do you mean, me asking or the problem? |
| 13:57.54 | nevivurn | I have a question about gnu make, tell me if there is a better place to direct this to. I have a list of targets, eg. deps = a.zip b.zip c.zip, and these have as prereqs mydir/a/a mydir/b/b mydir/c/c. I can't seem to use static patterns ( $(deps):%.zip:cmd/%/% doesn't work). What is the proper way to go about this? |
| 13:58.08 | themill | gie: you might need to show us details |
| 13:58.14 | themill | !bat |
| 13:58.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:58.21 | greycat | The continued existence of PHP. The continued deployment of new things using PHP. The continued "I need a newer PHP to deploy my newer foobar". |
| 13:58.43 | greycat | That is the horror show. It's still going. |
| 13:59.21 | greycat | nevivurn: if you don't get an answer here, ##workingset |
| 14:00.01 | nevivurn | Thanks, I'll wait a bit longer before asking again over there. |
| 14:00.50 | gie | the command used is 'apt install php-imagick' the output is seen here http://paste.debian.net/1081567/ |
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| 14:02.30 | ksk | gie: how about reading the faqtoid the-mill just spawned for you? the output you pasted does not really contain anything useful. |
| 14:03.07 | themill | gie: install the php7.1-* versions of those packages first (assuming they exist in that repo) |
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| 14:12.13 | gie | themill: k thanks, seems it does not exist |
| 14:13.10 | themill | gie: is php7.1 in that repo at all? |
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| 14:13.38 | ksk | imagemagick is kind of a standard thing for php, would be a little strange if it was not available., |
| 14:13.42 | gie | yes |
| 14:14.05 | gie | when i install it php-imagick i have a mixture of 7.1 packages and 7.3 |
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| 14:14.37 | gie | my workflow was the following- |
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| 14:15.15 | gie | added deb https://packages.sury.org/php stretch main to sources.list.d |
| 14:15.17 | karlpinc | nevivurn: Isn't there a patsub() function, or some such? I always poke about the info pages to come up with answers to that sort of question. |
| 14:15.21 | ksk | is imagick the same as imagemagick? you maybe want to search apt for the latter. |
| 14:15.24 | gie | installed some php 7.1 packages, which works fine |
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| 14:16.05 | nevivurn | Hm, the documentation for static patterns says that these are applied after functions / variables, so that would end up with a string that looks like %/% in the static pattern matching stage |
| 14:16.07 | nevivurn | No? |
| 14:16.45 | gie | then i install php7.1-imagick, which switches to php-imagick (Note, selecting 'php-imagick' instead of 'php7.1-imagick') and then come the 7.3 packages in the mix |
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| 14:20.43 | themill | gie: I don't think there is any php7.1 stuff in that repo is there? You could provide the sort of details dpkg asked for earlier |
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| 14:22.06 | gie | this is debian 9.9, where else should the 7.1 come from? debian 9 comes with 7.0 as standard doesnt it? |
| 14:22.16 | themill | (and if they are there, then in what way is installing the other 7.1 packages not working?) |
| 14:22.19 | greycat | gie: He is talking about your SURY repo. |
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| 14:22.39 | greycat | Does your sury repo contain ANY php 7.1 packages AT ALL any more, or is it exclusively 7.3 now? |
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| 14:23.20 | gie | it contains 7.1, i can install them without problem |
| 14:23.26 | themill | gie: please show us |
| 14:23.41 | themill | the details matter here and you're not showing any |
| 14:24.13 | gie | http://paste.debian.net/1081574/ |
| 14:24.16 | themill | 7.1 packages appear to be there, so in what way does installing the php7.1 versions of those php7.3 packages not work? |
| 14:25.03 | greycat | gie: you are still not showing the output of the various "apt-cache policy" commands you were asked for OVER and OVER |
| 14:25.28 | greycat | showing us that your SYSTEM has various php7.1-* installed FROM THE PAST does not mean those packages are still in the sury repo NOW |
| 14:26.07 | themill | gie: you said earlier that "apt-get install php7.1-cli php7.1-common php7.1-json php7.1-opcache php7.1-phpdbg php7.1-readline" failed but not how |
| 14:26.47 | gie | this is a fresh system with an uptime of three hours |
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| 14:26.54 | gie | http://paste.debian.net/1081575/ |
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| 14:27.00 | gie | cache command ^ |
| 14:27.45 | gie | then installation of the 7.1 packages does not fail, just the php-imagick one - it comes with 7.3 packages |
| 14:27.53 | gie | as dependencies |
| 14:27.59 | gie | everything else works |
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| 14:28.08 | themill | gie: I asked you to install all of them earlier |
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| 14:28.23 | themill | please do so now |
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| 14:29.58 | gie | i don't understand - i got a list of php 7.1 packages that i wanted to install and those are installed now. now i want to add another, which is php imagick fpr 7.1 - but this one seems to fetch php 7.3 packages |
| 14:31.30 | themill | gie: can you please try install those php7.1 packages first. |
| 14:32.28 | gie | but they are installed - please see http://paste.debian.net/1081574/ |
| 14:32.40 | gie | i did this an hour ago or something like that |
| 14:32.52 | greycat | THAT one shows none of the packages in themill's list |
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| 14:32.55 | themill | gie: that looks nothing like the list of packages I asked for ;( |
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| 14:33.12 | greycat | 10:26 themill> gie: you said earlier that "apt-get install php7.1-cli php7.1-common php7.1-json php7.1-opcache php7.1-phpdbg php7.1-readline" failed but not how |
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| 14:33.36 | greycat | funny how NONE of those show up in 1081574 |
| 14:34.13 | gie | ah sorry, missed that one |
| 14:34.14 | gie | http://paste.debian.net/1081578/ |
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| 14:36.33 | gie | no problem installing those packages |
| 14:37.22 | themill | that's the right dependencies in place, now try your php7.1-imagick package |
| 14:40.09 | gie | this time it worked, no 7.3 packages |
| 14:42.34 | gie | http://paste.debian.net/1081567/ this was the last try, where it fetched 7.3 packages |
| 14:42.44 | jelly | that apt is locale-confused... Do you want to continue? [J/n] |
| 14:43.08 | greycat | his hostname is also xxxx. who names a system xxxx. |
| 14:43.16 | themill | Queenslanders. |
| 14:43.33 | jelly | Jaa. |
| 14:43.36 | greycat | except when it's xxxxx. he seems to be changing the hostname on the fly, or using multiple systems. |
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| 14:46.29 | gie | i can take a joke, why not explain what went wrong? |
| 14:46.35 | gie | i could learn smt |
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| 14:47.20 | gie | there were php 7.1 packages installed before the ones from themills list |
| 14:47.25 | themill | It looks like php-imagick thinks it has a hard dependency on a php-api that is only provided by php7.3. It might be that if you install both php7.3-cli and php7.1-cli that it works with both odd. |
| 14:47.27 | gie | what changed |
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| 14:48.31 | themill | php-imagick only ships one version of /usr/lib/php/*/imagick.so and so can only work for one version of php; no idea why it's not a versioned package like the others. |
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| 14:48.48 | themill | You could ask the maintainer or start using php 7.3 instead. |
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| 14:52.06 | gie | ok thx :) |
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| 14:55.57 | themill | (or use something other than php!) |
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| 15:03.48 | gie | so far it was a package problem, not an issue with php itself. heh |
| 15:03.59 | gie | but i would switch if i had the choice |
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| 15:04.15 | gie | customers decide most of the time |
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| 15:10.02 | jhutchins_wk | Wordpress and Drupal are a huge percentage of sites on the web, both PHP projects. |
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| 15:48.33 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 15:48.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-1); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 15:48.35 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
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| 15:53.18 | faranbrygo | Any seasoned Grafana users around today? |
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| 15:53.51 | greycat | !anyone |
| 15:53.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 15:56.14 | mason | !survey |
| 15:56.14 | dpkg | well, survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 15:56.41 | mason | pets dpkg. |
| 15:57.13 | themill | ,kernels --release experimental |
| 15:57.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1) |
| 15:57.26 | themill | now with an updated regex for the 5.x kernels... |
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| 16:04.00 | vic004 | I get an error: invalid command 'bdist_wheel" in python on debian stretch but python script does not get same error on ubuntu 18.04 |
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| 16:06.56 | jelly | vic004: which script, which python version, 3 or 2? |
| 16:07.55 | jhutchins_wk | vic004: What's the full text of the actual error, and what is the command in the script that triggers it? |
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| 16:08.18 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 16:08.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:09.20 | vic004 | will paste in a bit |
| 16:09.58 | [exa] | Hi everyone! Where can I get a netinstall image with newest possible kernel? (reason: trying to boot a ryzen laptop) |
| 16:10.06 | jelly | judd: file bdist_wheel.py |
| 16:10.11 | judd | Search for bdist_wheel.py in stretch/amd64: python-wheel: usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wheel/bdist_wheel.py; python3-wheel: usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/wheel/bdist_wheel.py |
| 16:10.42 | jelly | vic004: maybe the relevant module is not installed? See above. |
| 16:10.46 | vic004 | http://paste.debian.net/1081592/ |
| 16:11.46 | vic004 | okay will check file |
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| 16:18.20 | vic004 | I installed python-wheel for Python2 and Python3 but still get same build errors I think it has something to do with distutils being used to import |
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| 16:20.22 | jelly | is paste.debian.net especially slow today or is it just me |
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| 16:22.06 | jelly | so your script builds a virtualenv and grabs whatever versions of modules from internets and builds them instead of using any system ones |
| 16:22.51 | jelly | because that's a sane thing an installer does these days? |
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| 16:23.24 | jelly | and it fails to check any exit statuses and runs until the sorry end |
| 16:23.38 | jelly | ... file a bug report with lenovo, if you can. |
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| 16:24.12 | jelly | vic004: or try to install all the modules the software actually wants to use, and see if that helps |
| 16:24.37 | jelly | instead of the modules installer wants to use to build the modules the software wants to use |
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| 16:25.17 | vic004 | okay jelly will take a look at the script and hunt down the modules they should all be in the stretch repository? |
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| 16:26.53 | jelly | they might be |
| 16:27.15 | jelly | just look at the output you gave and see what it's trying to build. |
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| 16:28.15 | jelly | vic004: and when you see someone saying stuff works on "Debian/Ubuntu", chances are they are lying through their teeth |
| 16:28.32 | jelly | !Debian/Ubuntu |
| 16:29.30 | vic004 | yeah I thought so now it worked on ubuntu 18.04 but on stretch it failed thanks though for all your help jelly. |
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| 16:30.32 | tds | jelly: doesn't work over ipv6 from here at all |
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| 16:30.40 | tds | so you're probably waiting for happy eyeballs :( |
| 16:30.54 | jelly | tds: that might be it, my proxy also tries ipv6 first |
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| 16:31.33 | tds | I don't have any ipv4 fallback on my network at all, so that's a little annoying, no more paste.debian.net here I guess |
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| 16:31.55 | jelly | still I can ping -6 it directly. |
| 16:32.25 | tds | yeah, pings fine, doesn't respond to tcp connections to 80/443 |
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| 16:32.44 | jelly | but does on 148.251.236.38. |
| 16:32.51 | jelly | shrugs |
| 16:33.22 | jelly | the browser figures it out on its own if I use no proxy. |
| 16:33.39 | jelly | concludes browser authors are used to ipv6 not working well |
| 16:33.59 | jelly | squid authors, less so |
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| 16:54.21 | jhutchins_wk | There are http protocols that have never been enabled in ipv6. |
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| 16:59.31 | pagetelegram | For console only debian, how can I disable all power management ... when I close lid to laptop and open it again, all I get is black screen and have to do a hard reset. |
| 17:00.20 | tds | jhutchins_wk: what do you mean by that? |
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| 17:09.26 | dff | tds: out of curiosity why wouldnt you have ipv4 fallback? |
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| 17:09.54 | pagetelegram | found powermanagement solution. |
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| 17:11.15 | annadane | https://xkcd.com/979/ |
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| 17:11.31 | annadane | "fixed it!" |
| 17:11.33 | annadane | ........ |
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| 17:15.47 | tds | dff: i'm on an ipv6-only network with dns64 + nat64, so I can connect to things that don't publish aaaa records at all (dns64 synthesises one that gets translated back to the v4 address), but if people publish an aaaa record and then break the service on v6 I can't access it |
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| 17:16.26 | tds | there is happy eyeballs 2 to handle that gracefully in browsers and other applications, I don't think many have implemented it though |
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| 17:19.03 | dff | tds: and the benefit of having your set up is what? (curious) |
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| 17:19.52 | tds | I only have to deal with ipv4 at the edge of my network on a few routers doing translation, the entire internal network is only ipv6, less work than dual stack :) |
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| 17:21.30 | jhutchins_wk | Fun with power supplies. |
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| 17:25.09 | jhutchins_wk | Somebody asked what I meant about ipv6. There are many features that are "not yet implemented", some of which have to do with how some HTML pages respond to a request depending on the headers. |
| 17:25.53 | jhutchins_wk | Sor of like how Drupal or WordPress will respond with different sites on the same IP address if called by different URLs (althoug both of those work fine over ipv6). |
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| 17:42.51 | jhutchins_wk | botsnack |
| 17:42.57 | jhutchins_wk | ! botsnack |
| 17:42.57 | dpkg | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
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| 17:58.41 | annadane | so ipv6 is like the "wayland" of... stuff |
| 18:00.13 | tds | heh |
| 18:00.29 | tds | it works nicely, just needs hacky translation mechanisms sometimes, eg nat64, 464xlat, ds-lite, etc |
| 18:00.41 | tds | but still a nicer situation than running native v4 a lot of the time ;) |
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| 18:01.35 | ksk | imho you have to think a little longer sometimes regaring v6 (as one has done v4 for "some years) - but in the end it kind of works as expected - most of times ;) |
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| 18:02.49 | SPF | I want to run Debian from usb stick. Any suggestions what brands are good? |
| 18:03.09 | bjelleklang2 | Hp |
| 18:03.33 | annadane | i don't know but storage is getting pretty good now :P |
| 18:03.50 | ksk | SPF: I would not really bother, just buy a "well known brand" from a known vendor. |
| 18:03.50 | annadane | you can probably get 100GB+ USB sticks relatively cheap |
| 18:04.10 | annadane | glares at 1TB hard drive |
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| 18:04.28 | SPF | well, I have tried several brands over the years, some didn't last one month |
| 18:04.36 | annadane | (even though i'm not really in danger of running out of space...) |
| 18:04.50 | annadane | ...because i have all my stuff saved to an external hdd... |
| 18:04.53 | annadane | anyway |
| 18:05.24 | SPF | I'm only use it for os, data is stored elsewhere |
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| 18:05.39 | ksk | SPF: thats a problem with all usb drives as far as I can tell, they do not have wear leveling, and to not like to be written on regularly (cells have a limit of write cycles) |
| 18:05.47 | diogenes_ | SPF, transcent and kingstone. |
| 18:05.58 | ksk | SPF: most people running on usb sticks will want to disable all the logging that linux does, for example, to increase lifetime |
| 18:06.24 | bjelleklang2 | SPF:https://www.sandisk.com/home/usb-flash/cruzer-blade |
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| 18:06.37 | SPF | diogenes_: I have a Transcend, it lasted the longest (several years, not sure how long) |
| 18:07.23 | SPF | ksk: I know, thanks for the tip though |
| 18:08.11 | SPF | bjelleklang2: I'm currently using cruzer, but I'm having some stability issues, journal and dmesg doesnt tell me anything ... |
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| 18:19.28 | jhutchins_wk | SPF: That's the nature of SSD storage devices, although the internal drives are much better. The "sticks" are just limited-lifetime, and one should assume that any data on them is volitle/transitory. |
| 18:20.01 | jhutchins_wk | ie any data you only have on a USB stick you may not actually have. |
| 18:20.37 | dvs | well, he has it but for how long? |
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| 18:20.59 | jhutchins_wk | dvs: That's just it, he may or may not have it at any given moment. |
| 18:22.29 | SPF | that's why I use it for os only |
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| 18:24.02 | SPF | if it's broken, I just replace it and reinstall Debian. Reinstalling Debian is sometimes advised as well (during new releases for example) |
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| 18:25.12 | jmd | SPF: That sounds like advice that might come from Microsoft. |
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| 18:25.37 | jmd | ... Reopen, Reboot, Reinstall |
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| 18:26.48 | SPF | well, if the upgrade caused complications, it's recommended to reinstall (at least that's what I read sometime here) |
| 18:28.45 | mason | Should I be seeing dsa-4444 on mirrors yet? |
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| 18:36.41 | nightshift | Does anyone know when the patches to protect against spectre, zombieload, fallout, etc (the Intel cpu microcode exploits) will be released? |
| 18:37.03 | mason | nightshift: https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4444 exists now and references a kernel package that I don't see on mirrors yet. |
| 18:37.23 | dvs | mason, I received a new intel-microcode update today |
| 18:38.07 | annadane | it'll be the year 2300 and we'll still be getting spectre patches |
| 18:38.10 | nightshift | mason: thanks, I just got that pulled up right before I saw your response, reading now |
| 18:38.15 | mason | And I've just been pointed to http://security-cdn.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/ which has it |
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| 18:38.46 | mason | Maybe it's still percolating to mirrors. |
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| 18:39.52 | nightshift | mason, high possibility. Small chance that I might have a delay because I'm on buster as well..... |
| 18:39.57 | mason | But this wouldn't involve a mirror: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:40.05 | mason | so I have no clue what the deal is |
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| 18:43.34 | nightshift | I'll just have to keep checking for updates |
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| 18:44.05 | nightshift | It's the kernel that I'm worried about, as the right version doesn't seem to be anywhere |
| 18:44.11 | dvs | The package has a date of today |
| 18:45.02 | dvs | about 6 hours ago |
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| 18:46.24 | dvs | intel-microcode_3.20190514.1~deb9u1_amd64.deb |
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| 18:46.30 | greycat | testing is the *slowest* branch for security fixes, generally. |
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| 18:46.38 | mason | dvs: I'm not sure how to understand seeing it in http://security-cdn.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/ but not getting it with http://security.debian.org/debian-security in my sources.list. |
| 18:47.01 | greycat | the deb9u2 kernel images are in stable |
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| 18:48.31 | mason | greycat: Is the process by which the u6 kernels make it out to the world documented? This seems like something that should be fairly transparent, and may well be if I knew where to look. |
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| 18:49.13 | greycat | what do you mean by u6? the DSA in question references 4.9.168-1+deb9u2 |
| 18:50.19 | mason | Does it? I was pulling u6 from what I see in http://security-cdn.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/ |
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| 18:50.36 | greycat | I don't know what you're talking about. Something not in stable? |
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| 18:51.10 | mason | Oh, I'm confused. |
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| 18:51.38 | mason | I was looking at the first installed kernel and missing that I had the corrected version as well. =cough= |
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| 18:52.09 | mason | This will be solved by applying calories and caffeine and by working out a plan to end the current state of sleep deprivation. Sorry for the noise. |
| 18:52.25 | mason | greycat: ^ |
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| 19:04.02 | nightshift | Alright, looks like the microcode update is in sid, so, 10 days or so for that update for me.... |
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| 19:04.44 | nightshift | the kernel update that is supposed to go with it, though, who knows, sid doesn't even have the right version |
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| 19:05.35 | greycat | how do you know what kernel version is supposed to fix that DSA in unstable/buster? |
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| 19:08.57 | nightshift | greycat: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MDS-Kernel-Fixes |
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| 19:09.12 | greycat | wonder what a phoronix is |
| 19:09.27 | nightshift | testing/unstable is on the 4.19 branch |
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| 19:09.51 | greycat | Yes, and? This site you just linked does not appear to be Debian specific at all. |
| 19:10.16 | littlebit1 | hi people, I'm trying to use rename to bulk rename files where I'm trying to use regex patterns. I have a problem with getting the machted patterns together |
| 19:10.20 | greycat | If security is your #1 concern then you are running stable, and the fixed kernel is already available. |
| 19:10.24 | nightshift | it does state the kernel version for 4.19 is 4.19.43 |
| 19:10.32 | greycat | If you are not running stable, you wait and/or do more research. |
| 19:10.36 | nightshift | unstable has 4.19.37.... |
| 19:10.43 | greycat | you are reading NON-DEBIAN NEWS SITES |
| 19:10.56 | littlebit1 | this is my command: rename 's/(.+)(foo)(.+)/$1$3/ |
| 19:11.11 | greycat | Debian security works by applying patches to "older" upstream releases of things. |
| 19:11.30 | greycat | littlebit1: looks like you forgot part of it. |
| 19:12.16 | greycat | littlebit1: are you simply trying to remove the first instance of 'foo' from any filename that contains 'foo'? |
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| 19:12.45 | greycat | or are you trying to justify the use of back-references by making up random questions until the only solution involves using a back ref? |
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| 19:13.27 | nightshift | from what I can tell, the version within debian would be 4.19.0-5, or possibly 4.19.0-6. 4.19.0-5 appears to correspond to kernel 4.19.37 (based on the state of unstable,,,,, |
| 19:13.50 | rwp | littlebit1, In other words... Did you really want 's/foo//' there? |
| 19:13.50 | greycat | you're just making up version numbers now |
| 19:14.37 | nightshift | then, point me to a debian site that explains what I need to know |
| 19:14.44 | littlebit1 | rwp: no I want to cut out foo |
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| 19:15.29 | greycat | nightshift: I can't tell what you need to know because I can't figure out all of the false gods that live in your mind. But at least ONE of your false gods appears to involve the conflation of the kernel ABI version with the package version. |
| 19:15.57 | rwp | littlebit1, Right. You want to cut out foo. So why not 's/foo//' then? |
| 19:15.58 | greycat | littlebit1: in other words, you want rename s/foo// *foo* just as rwp said. |
| 19:16.19 | greycat | that will remove the first instance of foo from every filename that contains foo, which is what I asked you |
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| 19:17.06 | littlebit1 | rwp: ... ok, i'll try that |
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| 19:17.41 | rwp | littlebit1, Remember that rename -n will show you what it would do without doing it. Good for testing patterns. |
| 19:17.55 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 19:17.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-1); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); |
| 19:17.57 | judd | wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 19:18.17 | littlebit1 | rwp: yep, that is my safetyline and -v is verbose |
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| 19:22.45 | greycat | The kernel currently in stretch (via security) has ABI version 4.9.0-9-686 and package version 4.9.168-1+deb9u2. You know it's "fixed" because it matches the package version shown in the DSA. |
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| 19:23.39 | greycat | If you had built kernel modules against an older kernel with the same ABI version (4.9.0-9-686) then you don't need to rebuild those modules for this kernel. That's what the ABI signifies. |
| 19:23.58 | greycat | If the ABI gets bumped to 4.9.0-10-686 (or whatever) then you will have to rebuild your third-party modules. |
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| 19:25.55 | rwp | If the CVE number is known then the Debian CVE tracker is useful. Such as this CVE https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-12130 |
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| 20:19.43 | ses1984 | strange question, but is there a way to find the minimum packages to explicitly install, given the total list of packages installed on a system? |
| 20:21.47 | jhutchins_wk | ses1984: Well, debootstrap is pretty minimal, as is netinstall if you don't connect. Stripping packages off of a system that already has "extras" installed is a lot harder if you don't already know what to strip. |
| 20:22.16 | jhutchins_wk | ses1984: If nothing else, do one of those installs in a VM and pull a package list. |
| 20:23.08 | ses1984 | right -- i can think of a couple approaches to writing a program to find the answer to this, but was wondering if maybe there was something already out there, to sort of "freeze" the minimal list of explicit packages to install to duplicate the full list of packages in a system |
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| 20:32.21 | Megagolgoth | hi |
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| 20:33.59 | Megagolgoth | I've got problems with niu kernel module and Sun ATLS1QE network card |
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| 20:34.35 | `ajven | Hello everyone, Im trying to install VMware workstation 19, but It say that need to install inux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64. So I extend repo list and trying to install it. But I'm taking som dependencies problem I dont know how to solve it, maybe you will have some advice? https://pastebin.com/fFCupETF |
| 20:35.07 | greycat | if you are not running the latest backported kernel, you are going to have a hell of a time finding the headers to match your older backported kernel |
| 20:35.11 | greycat | ,kernels |
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| 20:35.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-1); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 20:35.13 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 20:35.35 | `ajven | So what I should do now? |
| 20:35.39 | greycat | hmm, it seems 4.19.0-0.bpo.4- |
| 20:35.54 | greycat | hmm, it seems 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-ARCH actually is the current backport. so it should be relatively straightforward. |
| 20:36.25 | greycat | ,v linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
| 20:36.26 | judd | Package: linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 4.19.28-2~bpo9+1 |
| 20:36.41 | greycat | should be really simple. just install that, same way you installed the backported linux-image. |
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| 20:37.44 | `ajven | Should be, but Im really lost. Not sure how I can fix that |
| 20:37.46 | rwp | ses1984, I have wondered that question myself too. I don't think there is any completely trivial way to do it. But there are some automated techniques that could help determine it experimentally. |
| 20:38.31 | rwp | ses1984, For example, use apt-mark auto for everything and then see what is a candidate for autoremove, then mark those you want to keep as manual. Repeat until there are no candidates for autoremove anymore. |
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| 20:47.03 | `ajven | so maybe someone know to fix that? |
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| 20:47.37 | greycat | scrolls up... again... again... you're asking how to install vmware? good luck. |
| 20:48.00 | `ajven | I asked about kernel installatio and problem with dependcies |
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| 20:49.17 | greycat | there is no kernel installation problem with dependencies |
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| 20:49.43 | greycat | you asked about HEADERS TO MATCH YOUR RUNNING KERNEL so you could COMPILE SOMETHING under the larger umbrella problem of INSTALLING VMWARE |
| 20:49.51 | `ajven | ?? |
| 20:49.53 | `ajven | The following packages have unmet dependencies: Â linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 : Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 (>= 4.14.17-1~) but 4.9.168-1+deb9u2 is to be installed |
| 20:50.00 | `ajven | you sure you read that? |
| 20:50.06 | greycat | ,v linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 |
| 20:50.07 | judd | Package: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 4.9.144-3.1; stretch: 4.9.168-1; stretch-security: 4.9.168-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 4.19.28-2~bpo9+1 |
| 20:50.23 | greycat | Maybe you are failing to use backports correctly. Try reading the instructions again. |
| 20:50.31 | `ajven | what instructions? |
| 20:50.38 | greycat | !stretch-backports |
| 20:50.39 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 20:50.40 | greycat | THOSE |
| 20:50.45 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:50.52 | `ajven | so how i could ready it "again" if i see that first time |
| 20:51.01 | `ajven | anyway, thank you will read that |
| 20:51.09 | greycat | Oh god, his nick began with a `. I couldn't even see it until the /ignore tab completion gave me the wrong guy. |
| 20:51.20 | greycat | I should just perma-/ignore anyone whose nick begins with a fucking backtick. |
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| 20:51.31 | `ajven | with that attitudfe i think you shouldnt even have keyboard ;) |
| 20:51.49 | greycat | ... yes. Yes, in fact I will do that. |
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| 20:52.10 | phogg | greycat: why stop at backtick? Has anything good ever come from a _ prefixed user? |
| 20:52.43 | greycat | I already had ^* perma-ignored. Other punctuations haven't led to enough problems yet, but I'll glare at them menacingly if they do. |
| 20:53.01 | ChunkzZ | how do I install chromium-browser? |
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| 20:53.15 | ChunkzZ | E: Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation candidate |
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| 20:53.35 | jhutchins_wk | !chromium |
| 20:53.35 | milkt | ChunkzZ: apt-get install chromium |
| 20:53.35 | dpkg | Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Ask me about <pepper flash>. https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>. |
| 20:53.46 | darsie | Is 4.9.0-9-amd64 vulnerable to the new intel vuln? |
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| 20:57.32 | jhutchins_wk | darsie: 14:22 < greycat> The kernel currently in stretch (via security) has ABI version 4.9.0-9-686 and package version 4.9.168-1+deb9u2. You know it's "fixed" because it matches the package |
| 20:57.36 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.41 | darsie | thx |
| 20:58.47 | Krennic | hmm |
| 20:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | darsie: https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4444 |
| 20:59.06 | karlpinc | Interestingly, the changelog.Debian.gz says that 4.9.168-1+deb9u1 fixed the intel mce problem. |
| 20:59.57 | Krennic | hmm i see antix is similar to debian strech |
| 21:00.13 | Krennic | same pakages |
| 21:00.42 | karlpinc | Then why use antix? |
| 21:01.16 | karlpinc | is always interested in what people see in "debian derivitives" |
| 21:01.32 | Krennic | cause is what a friend of mine install in my laptop |
| 21:02.09 | karlpinc | !tell Krennic about antix |
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| 21:03.44 | Krennic | i see thanks karlpinc :) |
| 21:03.52 | martinus | Hi everyone, does anyone know why udev would immediately disconnect a device just after it was plugged in? |
| 21:04.20 | ses1984 | is there a way to tell from the installed packages, which were explicitly installed and which were transitive dependencies? |
| 21:04.29 | darsie | martian67|: lose contact? |
| 21:05.12 | jhutchins_wk | martinus: I'd start with dmesg |
| 21:05.12 | darsie | martinus* |
| 21:05.27 | jhutchins_wk | martian67|: I'd start with dmesg |
| 21:05.43 | jhutchins_wk | WHoever. |
| 21:05.49 | martinus | I have a detailed description written up on reddit if that helps? |
| 21:05.54 | karlpinc | ses1984: Well, the aptitude output (search, say) says in the 3rd column with an "A" that it was automatically installed because it is a dependency. |
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| 21:06.08 | martinus | There were no replies so I thought I'd check in with you all. :) |
| 21:06.11 | karlpinc | ses1984: "aptitude why" helps also. |
| 21:06.41 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 21:06.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:06.55 | martinus | Is linking to a reddit post acceptable? |
| 21:06.56 | jhutchins_wk | martinus: That might be more accessible than reddit. |
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| 21:07.07 | martinus | kk, I'll post it there, thanks! |
| 21:07.09 | ses1984 | thanks |
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| 21:08.04 | karlpinc | ses1984: If you tell us more about what you're trying to do that would let us help more. (Or not. :) |
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| 21:09.15 | jhutchins_wk | They're probably trying to build something like a container image. |
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| 21:09.57 | martinus | Here you go, many thanks to anyone who takes the time to look at it: https://paste.debian.net/1081667/ |
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| 21:12.57 | jhutchins_wk | martinus: I don't know that you'll find a Debian-specific answer. Start with the manufacturer's web site, see if they support any form of Linux. Google is your friend. There might be mailing lists or forums. |
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| 21:14.00 | martinus | jhutchins_wk: It's a chinese, cheapo pad. If it doesn't work then I'm not too burned up about it - it's a clone pad though so I'm hoping I can tweak and recompile the driver. |
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| 21:15.14 | martinus | jhutchins_wk: many thanks for having a look. |
| 21:16.25 | jhutchins_wk | martinus: My guesses would be that the driver debian is trying to use isn't quite right, or that the pad is switching modes or something in response to the debian connection. |
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| 21:16.37 | jhutchins_wk | Supposed to be linux compatible. |
| 21:16.59 | jhutchins_wk | Search something like "EasySMX wireless joypad (model number ESM-9101) +linux". |
| 21:17.20 | jhutchins_wk | Check their web site first though. |
| 21:17.47 | jhutchins_wk | martinus: https://www.easysmx.com/ |
| 21:17.52 | teclo | yeah |
| 21:18.44 | martinus | jhutchins_wk: Cheers, I started there then searched duckduckgo and google but I appreciate the suggestion. The manufacturer claims win, android and OSX compatibility so I thought it would be xpad or xboxdrv compatibility. |
| 21:19.40 | jhutchins | There's an ad on Amazon that claims linux compatibility too (which makes sense given OSX). Good luck! |
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| 21:24.55 | karlpinc | martinus: What version of debian? |
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| 21:26.56 | karlpinc | martinus: (You could try a newer kernel from backports. Pretty easy to try and it might matter.) |
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| 21:29.33 | martinus | karlpinc: I'll have a look at that, many thanks! |
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| 21:58.32 | jhutchins | There is so much on debian that just works these days. |
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| 22:22.02 | maxtim | Hello, I'm trying to connect to a vpn using StrongSwan, but I'm a little confused by the terminology in the man file and the example files on strongswan.org |
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| 22:26.44 | p3rror | Hello |
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| 22:52.41 | annadane | i consider myself fortunate jessie/stretch worked with my hardware the first try |
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| 22:53.02 | annadane | sucks when you get hardware that won't even boot because you need a newer kernel or whatever |
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| 23:29.37 | melpy | (â£_â£â) |
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| 23:36.07 | annadane | but oh well i guess that's why there's ubuntu |
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| 23:38.18 | zerocool | hi yall, anyone know how to set gnutls cipher suites? |
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| 23:43.32 | milkt | zerocool: can you provide more detail, where/what are you going to use gnutls with? |
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| 23:48.45 | zerocool | milkt: openldap on debian uses gnutls over openssl because of licensing or something like that, i need to connect an application to openldap that only supports ssl |
| 23:49.18 | zerocool | when i check that port i only get tls, which i like but im trying to enable ssl |
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