| 00:00.56 | uio | It's immune to xkill!? |
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| 00:02.05 | uio | This is why I don't like Debian. |
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| 00:05.35 | milkt | which ugly one hijacked your nofication system? |
| 00:06.01 | uio | milkt, I'm not sure, I took a picture of it in the link above. |
| 00:06.17 | uio | Is the fact that the link has to be opened not good? |
| 00:06.30 | uio | I can test one of the other pastes.... |
| 00:06.40 | milkt | maybe it reqire javascript to operate |
| 00:08.13 | uio | milkt, I don't think so. It was working before. |
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| 00:10.10 | uio | https://imgur.com/a/aM8NuIA There, no download required to see the ugliness. |
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| 00:11.42 | uio | What is wrong in my problem solving approach? |
| 00:11.54 | uio | Is it normal to spend over an hour on this?? |
| 00:12.13 | Unit193 | uio: What's returned from dbus-send --session --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.GetConnectionUnixProcessID 'string:org.freedesktop.Notifications' |
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| 00:14.13 | uio | Unit193, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6cf8be1b/ |
| 00:14.48 | Unit193 | Find out what process 3670 is. |
| 00:15.01 | uio | Unit193, Sorry, how do I do so? |
| 00:15.11 | Unit193 | ps aux | grep 3670 is one way. :P |
| 00:16.12 | victor004 | could I get some help on this issue http://paste.debian.net/1081820/ |
| 00:16.21 | Unit193 | uio: That's the process ID of whatever's registered on the dbus socket. |
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| 00:17.02 | uio | Unit193, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/885bc5b3/ |
| 00:18.11 | uio | pkill dunst? |
| 00:18.24 | Unit193 | uio: Looks like you messed around with i3 at some point? :) |
| 00:18.29 | Unit193 | Yeah you can kill that. |
| 00:18.50 | uio | Unit193, Yep. Guilty. BUT - I uninstalled it! |
| 00:19.06 | Unit193 | You didn't uninstall dunst, it would appear. |
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| 00:21.47 | uio | Unit193, That did it! But the deeper question is: how could I have better tried to solve the issue?? |
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| 00:21.53 | uio | Unit193, Thanks |
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| 00:22.55 | Unit193 | uio: I would have started with dpkg -l | grep notification and scanned through the list. :P Well, as I did you could check what's registered on that dbus socket, and see if you need it or can kill/disable/uninstall it. |
| 00:23.00 | rivyn | uio: Perhaps when removing i3, using apt remove --auto-remove --purge ... |
| 00:23.21 | victor004 | quir |
| 00:23.23 | victor004 | quit |
| 00:23.26 | victor004 | whoops |
| 00:23.29 | dvs | !exig |
| 00:23.31 | victor004 | lol trying to quit |
| 00:23.34 | uio | victor004, No Stay with the party |
| 00:23.34 | dvs | !exit |
| 00:23.34 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 00:23.47 | victor004 | hahahaha |
| 00:23.48 | rivyn | Try clicking the X button at the top |
| 00:23.49 | Unit193 | Indeed, rivyn. |
| 00:23.51 | rivyn | :P |
| 00:23.57 | uio | lol |
| 00:24.00 | victor004 | nevermind ill just burn the thing |
| 00:24.17 | Unit193 | dpkg -l | grep ^rc can be interesting too. :3 |
| 00:24.17 | dpkg | ii | grep ^rc can be interesting too. :3 2.9-13 unit193's private porn collection |
| 00:24.36 | uio | I don't understand dpkg -l | grep notification |
| 00:25.01 | Unit193 | "What packages do I have with 'notification' in the name or short description", basically. |
| 00:25.12 | uio | Unit193, Okay, cool. |
| 00:25.29 | uio | rivyn, And yeahn I should learn how to get rid of things properly. |
| 00:25.56 | uio | OVer an hour to get rid of dunst. Gotta hate i3! lol |
| 00:26.42 | Unit193 | dpkg -l lists dpkg's database, 'ii' means installed while 'rc' means 'removed, config files remain' (basically, again.) |
| 00:26.42 | dpkg | No packages found matching lists dpkg's database, 'ii' means installed while 'rc' means 'removed, config files remain' (basically, again.) |
| 00:26.56 | Unit193 | I should really stop triggering dpkg.. |
| 00:27.19 | uio | Unit193, it's touchy |
| 00:28.12 | rivyn | dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 00:28.12 | dpkg | ii | grep ^rc 1.6-12.3 rivyn's private porn collection |
| 00:28.31 | rivyn | lol, okay then. |
| 00:29.04 | melpy | !nope |
| 00:29.04 | dpkg | yes |
| 00:29.10 | melpy | !nope |
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| 00:29.52 | uio | !yep |
| 00:29.52 | dpkg | yep is, like, WOOOOHOOOO |
| 00:29.58 | uio | !yes |
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| 00:30.02 | melpy | !nope |
| 00:30.03 | dpkg | yes |
| 00:30.18 | uio | !dpkg |
| 00:30.18 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 00:30.34 | uio | !windows |
| 00:30.34 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:30.44 | uio | !apple |
| 00:30.44 | dpkg | [apple] a fruit, or Apple Inc. (formerly Apple Computer, Inc.), a consumer electronics and software company. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple . See also <airport>, <alac>, <combo drive>, <daap>, <hfs>, <hfsplus>, <imac>, <ipod>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <mac mini>, <open firmware>, <powerpc>, <quicktime>, <superdrive>. ##apple on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:30.53 | uio | !google |
| 00:30.53 | dpkg | Google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. http://www.google.com/ See also <chromium>, <gmail>, <googledns>, <googleearth>, <googletalk>, <gsoc>, <gtalk>. |
| 00:31.11 | uio | !ubuntu |
| 00:31.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 00:31.21 | uio | !! |
| 00:31.21 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 00:31.29 | uio | !? |
| 00:31.34 | melpy | lul, just query dpkg before mods banhammer |
| 00:31.35 | ksk | uio: its nice listening to you and the bot, but stahp |
| 00:31.43 | ksk | you can message it directly, if you want all the faqtoids. |
| 00:31.49 | uio | ksk !lol |
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| 00:34.31 | milkt | can i remove remaining configuration files (aptitude purge ~c) with apt only? |
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| 00:34.53 | ksk | milkt: apt-get purge $package? will remote everything. |
| 00:35.12 | milkt | ksk: i mean when package is removed without purge option |
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| 00:35.22 | milkt | maybe install again then purge? |
| 00:35.27 | ksk | no, just purge.. |
| 00:37.06 | Unit193 | Might have to just dpkg --purge $package if it only has rc, but pretty sure you can use apt. |
| 00:37.27 | ksk | would not have said it twice if I was not sure :P |
| 00:37.47 | milkt | apt says "package is not installed, so not removed" |
| 00:37.47 | apt | milkt: okay |
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| 00:39.32 | ksk | so, about which package are we talking? |
| 00:39.36 | milkt | actually not that package umm... |
| 00:39.41 | milkt | i installed mcrypt |
| 00:39.44 | ksk | are the config files maybe coming via a -common package or the likes? |
| 00:40.00 | ksk | dpkg -S /path/to/config will tell you which package they come from |
| 00:40.00 | dpkg | There is no record of a /path/to/config will tell you which package they come from package |
| 00:40.09 | ksk | oops- |
| 00:40.43 | milkt | it also install libmcrypt4 libmhash2 |
| 00:41.00 | milkt | i can remove them with apt autoremove, but even after autoremove, aptitude says something is remaining there |
| 00:41.25 | ksk | something is a very technical term. |
| 00:41.33 | uio | Maybe this is a whole other can of worms, but xfce4-power-manager does not manage to reduce screen brightness after X minutes and other such things. |
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| 00:42.13 | milkt | nevermind, it worked with executing apt purge to dependencies directly |
| 00:42.43 | wr | !debian 11 |
| 00:43.27 | karlpinc | wr: It's polite to msg the bot directly. e.g.: /msg dpkg debian 11 |
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| 00:50.49 | melpy | uio: are you using a laptop? |
| 00:53.58 | GenTooMan | Does in make sense to reinstall debian after a catastrophic upgrade failure? |
| 00:54.22 | dondelelcaro | GenTooMan: not usually; it's pretty easy to fix most of the problems. |
| 00:54.35 | ksk | totally. can be a lot faster than repairing the mess.. make sure to backup /home /root and whereever you stored something you want to keep |
| 00:55.23 | ksk | also, if I rememer your talk earlier this day, your debian seemed to be strange before the update alredy ;) |
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| 01:03.54 | EdePopede | dpkg doesn't know about apple records? |
| 01:03.56 | dpkg | EdePopede: i don't know |
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| 01:04.06 | EdePopede | you don't say... |
| 01:04.07 | annadane | there's a !bullseye factoid |
| 01:04.12 | annadane | which is, of course, debian 11 |
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| 01:15.06 | Benedict | can someone please explain the correct way to restart networking (ie. changed /etc/network/interfaces) in 2019 |
| 01:15.28 | Benedict | ifdown && ifup? systemctl service restart networking? |
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| 01:20.53 | dvs | I thought it was ifdown and ifup |
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| 01:22.03 | tds | restarting networking.service will more or less just ifdown -a and ifup -a for you |
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| 01:36.24 | GenTooMan | having had to restore more than one system /home is it's own drive and partition so just unmount remount I have many partitions and choose them so that overfilling one won't cause catastrophic failure. |
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| 01:52.15 | ksk | a full /home will never cause any catastrophic failure in any case. |
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| 01:54.50 | EdePopede | it could kill files. i bet most programs won't check for diskspace before opening config files +w |
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| 01:56.04 | ksk | yeah okay, granted. |
| 01:58.28 | GenTooMan | Some of the contents of my home partition are from my original linux system from 1993? |
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| 02:00.19 | binaryhermit | GenTooMan: are you sure you're in the right channel, I mean, you don't sound like you belong in #debian, lol, and on a less trolling note, I thought I was a longtime user who's been using linux off and on since about 2005 |
| 02:00.34 | binaryhermit | don't mean to chase you from here |
| 02:01.40 | GenTooMan | binaryhermit Well slack 0.9 was my first install I think. Erstwhile you get tired of a lot of work with the different chunks of slack and managing dependences of the install. |
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| 02:03.03 | binaryhermit | I failed at installing debian 3.something, due to a quirk on the system's graphics hardware X barfed when it tried to start |
| 02:03.26 | binaryhermit | briefly used... mandriva, I think, stuck for a while with Fedora Core 3 |
| 02:03.45 | victor001 | Hello fellow deb users. How can I change $XDG_DATA_DIRS to accept a another directory into its path it gets overwritten regardless of where I put it example .bashrc .profile? |
| 02:04.02 | victor001 | this is on debian stretch |
| 02:04.26 | binaryhermit | the one time I installed slackware I rm -rf'd / as root out of frustration after about an hour (DO NOT DO THAT ON A SYSTEM YOU WANT TO STILL WORK) |
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| 02:06.25 | rant | victor001: what is it you're trying to do? those files you mentioned are typically for bash shell logins |
| 02:08.49 | victor001 | rant: I am trying to add my .nix-profile/share to my xdg_data_dirs path so I can include a custom folder with .desktop files in my application menu. |
| 02:10.30 | victor001 | I thought it would be as simple as including export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$HOME/.nix-profile/share:$HOME/.share:"${XDG_DATA_DIRS:-/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/}" to my ~/.profile. |
| 02:11.17 | victor001 | but it gets overwritten somewhere and it defaults to /usr/share/xfce4:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share |
| 02:11.47 | victor001 | its me trying to update my whisker menu on xfce |
| 02:15.50 | dvs | victor001, why not XDG_DATA_DIRS=$HOME/.nix-profile/share:$XDG_DATA_DIRS ? |
| 02:16.18 | victor001 | i will try that. |
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| 02:16.51 | victor001 | should I set that in my ~/.profile |
| 02:17.10 | dvs | sure |
| 02:18.39 | victor001 | i will be back need to log off and log back in |
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| 02:20.20 | rant | victor001: fwiw a commonly used dir for this is ~/.local/share/applications and it would seem you are not meant to add things to XDG_DATA_DIRS you are suppose to user-define with XDG_DATA_HOME https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
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| 02:21.42 | dvs | rant, try again |
| 02:22.10 | victor001 | it did not work still got overwritten and XDG_DATA_DIRS got set back too /usr/share/xfce4:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share |
| 02:22.39 | rant | dvs: "$XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored." |
| 02:23.03 | rant | "$XDG_DATA_DIRS defines the preference-ordered set of base directories to search for data files in addition to the $XDG_DATA_HOME base directory." |
| 02:23.49 | rant | I can't say whats doing it.. but I can say the spec clearly says users should customize with XDG_DATA_HOME |
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| 02:24.53 | rant | until someone has tested this and has the same problem with the XDG_DATA_HOME, I am going with what the spec says |
| 02:25.23 | rant | I am in the middle of coding, so I am not logging out to try it :P |
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| 02:26.06 | victor001 | rant: echo $XDG_DATA_HOME prints nothing but the internet keeps leading me back to XDG_DATA_DIRS |
| 02:26.25 | rant | yes its not set by default its a user-defined variable |
| 02:26.36 | rant | try setting that in your profile instead of the other var |
| 02:26.49 | victor001 | okay will try that |
| 02:26.55 | rant | let me know if it works |
| 02:27.38 | rant | the spec seems to say it reads XDG_DATA_HOME before XDG_DATA_DIRS |
| 02:27.57 | rant | which would solve issues with path name order |
| 02:28.06 | rant | putting the user-defined stuff first |
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| 02:28.14 | victor001 | im going to logoff and log back in again |
| 02:28.52 | rant | I too wanted my system to respect ~/.local/share/applications/ recently but didnt look further into it |
| 02:30.10 | rant | I determined it was reading ~/.config/mimeapps.list instead of ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list and stopped digging after that :P |
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| 02:32.18 | victor001 | it failed to respect it as well when I place in ~/.profile |
| 02:32.34 | victor001 | something is overwritting these XDG variables |
| 02:32.41 | rant | victor001: is env showing the variable set? |
| 02:33.01 | dvs | maybe what you're running is a script itself? |
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| 02:33.19 | victor001 | rant: yes that command works fine |
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| 02:34.53 | victor001 | XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/xfce4:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share |
| 02:35.25 | victor001 | like I where is that being set *scratching my head* |
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| 02:55.54 | victor001 | debian forever ill be back! |
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| 03:07.20 | sammm | do people here use CICD which supports building debs? |
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| 04:02.58 | rant | sammm: afaik gitlab (salsa.debian.org) is capable of doing this |
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| 05:45.34 | sammm | hey, I have a kiosk running debian + gnome, the kiosk user was created ages ago by people who didnt know what they were doing, it has too many privileges and I was wondering if three was an easy way to start the gnome session inside a chroot / container / jail type thing |
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| 05:58.49 | dff | is this the correct syntax to change my sources list "sed -i 's/stretch/buster/g /etc/apt/sources.list'" |
| 05:58.52 | dff | ? |
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| 05:59.22 | dff | without the quotation marks :) |
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| 06:00.05 | earendel | can i mount an image created by dd? i tried with mount -o loop <file> <mountpoint> and it fails .. could it depend on weather its an image of a disc or partition? or how to do it right in principal? |
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| 06:02.14 | diogenes_ | earendel, maybe acetoneiso? |
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| 06:06.47 | melpy | earendel: you probably have to specify the offset in bytes |
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| 06:26.26 | earende1 | melpy: how can i find out the offset? |
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| 06:29.12 | earende1 | ah ok. thanks i'll try that |
| 06:30.11 | melpy | fdisk -l imagefile |
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| 06:48.13 | earende1 | melpy: hey! that worked. |
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| 06:49.19 | earende1 | now the tough one: can i somehow use an image + some differential file to write changed to? |
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| 06:49.29 | earende1 | changes* |
| 06:50.14 | earende1 | like when u have a protected read-only part, and all changes go somewhere else .. |
| 06:50.28 | earende1 | know what i mean? |
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| 06:56.37 | met | it's possible - you can make a live usb with a "persistence layer" |
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| 06:59.03 | melpy | ʘ‿ʘ |
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| 06:59.38 | melpy | maybe device-mapper snapshots is what you're looking for |
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| 07:04.24 | met | mount -t overlay might do what you want |
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| 07:13.07 | melpy | TwT |
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| 08:18.09 | halt | Anyone is around from the Debian AWS Marketplace team ? ( This one https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile?ref=cns_srchrow&id=890be55d-32d8-4bc8-9042-2b4fd8306 4d5 ) I have few questions ... |
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| 08:31.01 | COOurb | I need to shrink size of partition to clone it with clonezilla. What should I do? |
| 08:31.19 | apollo13 | make a backup |
| 08:31.40 | apollo13 | then read the file system tools for your fs type and see if it supports shrinking |
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| 08:33.36 | Shlosre | I'm creating an rsyslogd VM to aggregade logs from about 20 servers, is there a recommended filesystem for /var/ in this use case ? |
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| 08:57.03 | RoyK | Shlosre: anything will do, really - ext4 or xfs, I'd say, or even zfs with its compression |
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| 08:58.12 | RoyK | Shlosre: we do the same at work, but we chose a dedicated, physical machine for the logs in case something smelly hits the fan in the virtualisation department |
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| 08:58.43 | Shlosre | What's you virtulisation environement based on RoyK ? |
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| 09:00.15 | RoyK | Shlosre: vmware - some 10 esxi nodes and dell compellent storage |
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| 09:01.12 | Shlosre | RoyK And you don't trust it? I mean if the whole virtualisation infrastructure goes down, you might have bigger issues than being able to check out the VM's log |
| 09:01.34 | RoyK | Shlosre: during the holiday in december, we had a whole blade centre going down because of an UPS dying, even though it should have handle that with power redundancy |
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| 09:02.43 | RoyK | Shlosre: obviously, a virtualisation environment should be safer, but still, we have chosen to keep the log server and monitoring servers on physical machines, just in case |
| 09:03.03 | Shlosre | Ok interesting... |
| 09:03.22 | Shlosre | The only thing we hesitate to keep "physicial" is a large file server |
| 09:03.46 | Shlosre | (To avoid having to manipulate multi-terabyte VM images) |
| 09:03.59 | RoyK | we don't do that anymore - everything is virtual except for those very few mentioned servers |
| 09:04.14 | RoyK | the largest fileserver we have now has 60TiB of storage |
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| 09:04.30 | RoyK | all virtual |
| 09:04.33 | RoyK | works well |
| 09:04.38 | Shlosre | yummy |
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| 09:05.04 | RoyK | mostly a video archive |
| 09:05.15 | Shlosre | wht kind of network do you have to move thing around with that volume? |
| 09:05.17 | RoyK | the AV dept uses it |
| 09:05.49 | RoyK | 10Gbps between buildings on the campus, 1Gbps to clients, 40Gbps to storage and so on |
| 09:06.48 | Shlosre | seems decent, i'm preparing a new virt infra right now, with 12Tb of SSD storage, and was going for 10Gb, as you're using 40Gb for 60Tb that coherent |
| 09:06.51 | Shlosre | that's |
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| 09:07.48 | RoyK | we have half a peta or thereabout on the dell compellent system with tiered storage, about 20TiB of SSD, the rest on spinning rust |
| 09:08.29 | Shlosre | So, according to what I understand of ESXi, the dell compellent is pretty much a SPOF, right ? |
| 09:08.31 | RoyK | that is - about 1PiB in total, but half of it is for the replicated stuff |
| 09:08.41 | RoyK | SPOF? |
| 09:08.45 | Shlosre | single point of failure |
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| 09:08.56 | jelly | I think I liked it better when storage had 15k rpm disks for performance and not ssd |
| 09:08.59 | RoyK | not really, since it's replicated between two sites |
| 09:09.02 | Shlosre | the ESXi can't do without, right? |
| 09:09.07 | Shlosre | oh, ok |
| 09:09.33 | RoyK | jelly: why is that, when SSDs are several magnitudes of order faster? |
| 09:09.39 | Shlosre | that's quite a massive infrastructure then |
| 09:09.50 | RoyK | Shlosre: it works ;) |
| 09:10.49 | jelly | RoyK: faster but less resilient to random io, esp. lots of writes |
| 09:10.50 | Shlosre | Jelly: It's the member berries talking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_Berries |
| 09:11.37 | RoyK | jelly: it all depends on the sort of SSDs you get. Enterprise stuff last a long time and with sufficient redundancy, it's no problem at all |
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| 09:18.27 | jelly | RoyK: the ones with enough DWPR are $$$ |
| 09:18.32 | jelly | DWPD* |
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| 09:18.49 | jelly | wait, this isn't #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:23.41 | RoyK | jelly: dell compellent is also $$$, so is most things labelled "enterprise" |
| 09:24.32 | RoyK | jelly: and 10/40Gbps networking doesn't come cheap either |
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| 09:34.28 | Fox | could you define "cheap" ? |
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| 09:59.00 | RoyK | krion: hi |
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| 10:05.36 | krion | trying to make works and understand pinning here |
| 10:05.50 | krion | obviously I should try to understand first and then make it works |
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| 10:11.04 | krion | I guess I can only pin a version that is referenced in a Packages file of a repository |
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| 11:10.32 | netriber | Hello, what other open source containers exists besides Docker? |
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| 11:17.31 | met | lxc |
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| 11:21.43 | knasten | anyone here that's good at ufw? |
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| 11:22.57 | RoyK | knasten: sure |
| 11:25.29 | knasten | RoyK, https://pastebin.com/ZJ3tb955 |
| 11:26.53 | knasten | Trying to let ssh in |
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| 11:53.40 | dff | can you set the limit? or is 6 attempts what you get? |
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| 11:55.29 | dff | the documentation is not clear is this, from what i could find |
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| 11:56.01 | dff | seems simpler than fail2ban if that is case |
| 11:56.08 | dff | the case* |
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| 11:57.28 | dff | man page for ufw links to a page that has this on it This site is now 100% read-only, and retired. |
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| 11:59.12 | alazred | Hi there! Anyone can give me a hand on a wireguard configuration ? |
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| 12:26.11 | kinky_nekoboi | someone should push the kernel with ZOMBIEFALL migitation to buster fast |
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| 12:26.40 | kinky_nekoboi | seem like someone finaly has pushed the microcode to buster |
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| 12:27.36 | dutchfish | kinky_nekoboi, there is also #debian-next on OFTC, this channel is for stable. And to your remarks, be patient, they are working on it. |
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| 12:28.31 | dutchfish | kinky_nekoboi, furthermore, noone promissed you, security updates in testing to be done promptly. |
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| 12:28.53 | kinky_nekoboi | thank you for feedback dutchfish, sry but i am a unpatient catboi regarding computing security per se |
| 12:29.22 | dutchfish | kinky_nekoboi, well, then you ca do as me, roll your own kernel package ;) |
| 12:29.42 | petn-randall | kinky_nekoboi: Then you'd understand that it's a pretty low security bug on a desktop, right? |
| 12:29.57 | dutchfish | petn-randall, true |
| 12:30.00 | petn-randall | kinky_nekoboi: And you'd also understand that buster doesn't get regular security support, as it is unreleased. |
| 12:30.18 | kinky_nekoboi | petn-randall, i am using buster on gateway thourgh i net the better nftables support |
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| 12:30.58 | kinky_nekoboi | luckily i am using amd hardware on desktop anyway |
| 12:31.18 | dutchfish | kinky_nekoboi, and that is why i prefer stable on production systems. |
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| 12:32.14 | dutchfish | kinky_nekoboi, and even on stable, bugs appear, but you will be get updates faster for it. |
| 12:32.40 | dutchfish | s/get/getting |
| 12:33.22 | petn-randall | kinky_nekoboi: nftables is also in stretch-backports, so that's not a good reason to run an unreleased OS on a production machine. |
| 12:33.26 | petn-randall | ,v nftables |
| 12:33.27 | judd | Package: nftables on amd64 -- stretch: 0.7-1; stretch-backports: 0.9.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.9.0-2; sid: 0.9.0-2 |
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| 12:33.39 | petn-randall | ^ same version in stretch-backports and buster. |
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| 13:48.43 | plasmik | topic |
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| 13:51.53 | plasmik | I'd like to set up a local Wheezy repo. Do I get the last release of it from the official .iso's; and "update" .iso's contain all the lts updates, and so I have all packages? |
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| 13:52.57 | themill | you wouldn't base it of the iso images; archive.d.o |
| 13:53.16 | greycat | wheezy is archived. the wiki page has the sources.list line for it. |
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| 13:56.08 | plasmik | greycat, sounds nice, I should mirror it at my repo machine, right? |
| 13:57.19 | ksk | You should maybe thing about upgrading, and not like buying an infracstructure to keep it running ;) |
| 13:57.24 | ksk | *think |
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| 13:57.59 | plasmik | we have it embedded )) |
| 13:59.19 | plasmik | we produce offline devices at work |
| 13:59.59 | ksk | industrial spies will thank you :P |
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| 15:09.31 | jelly | ksk: maybe not if they keep to versions of components that CIP plans to support (20 years LTS) |
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| 15:18.35 | toruvinn | oops pidof broken in buster |
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| 15:19.09 | greycat | bug number? |
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| 15:19.31 | jelly | ,v cherrytree |
| 15:19.32 | judd | Package: cherrytree on amd64 -- jessie: 0.35.2-1; stretch: 0.37.6-1; sid: 0.37.6-1.1 |
| 15:19.44 | jelly | judd, why is cherrytree not in testing |
| 15:19.45 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 15:19.50 | jelly | dpkg, why is cherrytree not in testing |
| 15:19.50 | dpkg | cherrytree is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=cherrytree |
| 15:20.28 | toruvinn | greycat, no idea, i've found it out on my own now. |
| 15:20.41 | toruvinn | but i havent upgraded for quite some time now |
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| 15:54.48 | ssa | Hello |
| 15:54.50 | ssa | Installing redis-server from stretch-backports created two systems service files, /etc/systemd/system/redis.service and /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/redis-server.service |
| 15:54.59 | ssa | Both have identical contents. Is this intentional? |
| 15:55.15 | ssa | Both services are "active (running)" as well. I'm a bit confused. |
| 15:56.59 | ssa | OK Found that both of them symlink to /lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service |
| 15:57.08 | ssa | So I guess whether I deal with "redis" or "redis-server", it's the same thing. Hmm |
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| 16:02.35 | furycd001 | HI Guys. I'm trying to boot crunchbang++ on a thinkpad but the keyboard is messed up and I cannot login or even use tty. Is there any way of setting the keyboard layout from the grub menu entry edit ?? |
| 16:03.17 | OerHeks | furycd001, crunchbang =!debian, not supported here |
| 16:03.32 | nkuttler | !crunchbang |
| 16:03.33 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 16:03.54 | furycd001 | Ok thanks :) |
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| 16:13.31 | elm_ | Who says what Thunderbird for buster is marking as scam? |
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| 16:14.09 | elm_ | It always marks emails from environmental organizations as scams while spam is not marked! |
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| 16:18.16 | jelly | elm_: as far as I know, Thunderbird itself does not do ANY mail filtering or marking on its own. Do you have any add-ons in TB or an antispam filter server side? |
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| 16:19.27 | elm_ | jelly: no I have no addons; it is just the plain version of Debian Testing/ Buster. |
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| 16:19.45 | elm_ | it marks the messages as read thus deterring potential readers |
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| 16:20.04 | elm_ | it is somewhat unfair that environmental organizations are on that list |
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| 16:22.31 | jelly | elm_: thunderbird should _not_ mark messages as read on its own. Do you have access to server logs and can you see if there's any other client reading the same mailbox? |
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| 16:22.58 | dax | thunderbird has adaptive junk mail controls enabled by default |
| 16:23.10 | elm_ | jelly: how to test for access to server logs? |
| 16:23.12 | dax | i forget whether those controls default to marking as read, but i recall there being an option to do so |
| 16:23.30 | elm_ | there is no other client reading the same mailbox |
| 16:23.35 | elm_ | it is a gmail account |
| 16:23.42 | elm_ | perhaps that one is evil |
| 16:23.45 | dax | if you go into Account Settings there should be a Junk Settings category that lets you turn it all off |
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| 16:24.01 | dax | (it's one of the first things I do when I set up thunderbird) |
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| 16:24.13 | jelly | elm_: gmail does very nasty filtering to all incoming mail. |
| 16:24.32 | jelly | verify you don't have and custom filter rules set there. |
| 16:24.46 | jelly | any* custom filter rules. |
| 16:24.59 | elm_ | yes, I could disable junk filtering alltogether |
| 16:25.11 | jelly | dax: so you're saying TB _does_ some filtering on its own by default? |
| 16:25.15 | dax | jelly: yes |
| 16:25.20 | elm_ | .. but it would be good to know who assembles these filters and who is liable for the results |
| 16:25.24 | dax | if you're using gmail, you're probably better off turning off Thunderbird's junk handling and just use Google's, it's significantly less crap |
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| 16:26.09 | elm_ | why does an open source project like thunderbird act against environmental networks? |
| 16:26.17 | greycat | ... |
| 16:26.29 | dax | it doesn't, it acts against messages that e.g. include hyperlinks that don't go where they say they do |
| 16:26.29 | jelly | elm_: you would have to ask the authors. |
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| 16:27.12 | elm_ | day: aha, good hint; I would like to analyse the next mail marked as scam |
| 16:27.25 | dax | specifically, https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbirds-scam-detection goes into details about scam detection |
| 16:27.26 | elm_ | and see whether there are any non-direct links in it |
| 16:27.34 | dax | and as for spam/junk stuff, it's based on what you've previously marked as spam |
| 16:27.54 | dax | (i don't think scam detection marks mail as read automatically, so maybe you're getting hit by both) |
| 16:28.40 | elm_ | ok; I understand |
| 16:28.58 | elm_ | as far as I remember no link had an illlegal server name |
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| 16:29.10 | dax | shrugs |
| 16:30.19 | elm_ | is there anyone whom I can contact at mozilla if thunderbird recurrently marks messages as scam that are definitely not a scam? |
| 16:30.36 | elm_ | I guess they also have some filter of senders or emails or so |
| 16:30.47 | dax | as far as i know, they do not have a sender blacklist |
| 16:31.06 | dax | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-community-support is the closest they have to a support contact afaik |
| 16:33.00 | elm_ | it does not list my issue: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/get-community-support |
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| 16:49.42 | Iarfen | hi! |
| 16:50.05 | Iarfen | If I get the error "sudo: unable to resolve host metricsMultitenancy", what does it means? |
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| 16:50.46 | greycat | I would imagine it means you've got something incorrect in your sudoers file |
| 16:50.52 | jelly | Iarfen: probably means that you have "metricsMultitenancy" somewhere in sudo's config file where it expects a host name? |
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| 16:51.43 | jelly | Iarfen: syntax errors in /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d/* won't be commited if you use "visudo" command to edit those files. |
| 16:52.06 | dax | make sure whatever hostname is in /etc/hostname is also in /etc/hosts |
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| 16:52.30 | Iarfen | jelly: the hostname should be identical to a user then? |
| 16:52.48 | greycat | start by undoing whatever you did in sudoers |
| 16:53.04 | greycat | THEN we can try to runravel why you would ask such a question |
| 16:53.04 | Iarfen | I haven't done something, I'm fixing an error that was already present |
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| 16:53.24 | jelly | Iarfen: no. The hostname should be valid or a literal ALL |
| 16:53.25 | jhutchins_wk | elm_: That's more likely to be your mailserver than thunderbird marking messages as spam. |
| 16:53.42 | Iarfen | jelly: then I can change the file hostname to ALL right? |
| 16:54.08 | jelly | Iarfen: can you show your sudoers file around where that string happens |
| 16:54.13 | jelly | or the whole file |
| 16:54.34 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 16:54.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:55.09 | jelly | Iarfen: and what do you mean by "the file hostname"? I meant in /etc/sudoers. |
| 16:55.22 | Iarfen | jelly: the string of the file /etc/hostname is metricsMultitenancy, inside /tc/sudoers there's no user called like that |
| 16:55.22 | greycat | 12:52 dax> make sure whatever hostname is in /etc/hostname is also in /etc/hosts |
| 16:55.42 | jelly | Iarfen: fix your /etc/hostname then, yes |
| 16:55.45 | greycat | Iarfen: that is a HOSTNAME, not a USER NAME |
| 16:55.58 | greycat | you have named your machine metricsMultitenancy |
| 16:56.08 | Iarfen | jelly: what I can wirte inside /etc/hostname? Anything? |
| 16:56.14 | greycat | it is the name of the machine |
| 16:56.17 | Iarfen | greycat: then the name was valid? |
| 16:56.24 | greycat | YOU CHOSE IT |
| 16:56.29 | jelly | Iarfen: a short name of the machine, probably should be valid for dns. |
| 16:56.30 | Iarfen | greycat: ok |
| 16:56.59 | jelly | !hostname |
| 16:56.59 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 16:57.52 | Tenkawa | and just think... none of you even have to deal with NIS |
| 16:58.03 | Tenkawa | now those were the days |
| 16:58.04 | greycat | none of whom? |
| 16:58.18 | Tenkawa | ok.. maybe.. mabe not all |
| 16:58.25 | Tenkawa | er maybe |
| 16:58.32 | jelly | Tenkawa: I'd rather shoot my foot than deal with NIS. In fact I'd rather join my Linux servers into Active Directory. |
| 16:58.50 | Tenkawa | jelly: nis was just scary |
| 16:58.58 | jhutchins_wk | I dunno, I worked with NIS for a couple of years, didn't have any serious problems. |
| 16:59.14 | jelly | the yellow pages have gone brown by now |
| 16:59.19 | jhutchins_wk | LDAP is a lot more problemic. |
| 16:59.22 | Tenkawa | hahaahahahaahaha |
| 16:59.24 | Johann | oO |
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| 17:00.55 | Tenkawa | jelly: some people may not even know what yellow pages computer or non computer are anymore.. I asked some people and they had never seen an actual phone book |
| 17:01.13 | jelly | [19:00] ~ # realm list |grep server |
| 17:01.16 | jelly | server-software: active-directory |
| 17:01.34 | greycat | Tenkawa: whaddaya mean "was" |
| 17:01.39 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: ldap does not _have_ to be problematic |
| 17:01.43 | greycat | wooledg:~$ ypwhich |
| 17:01.43 | greycat | ebase-fla.eeg.ccf.org |
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| 17:02.07 | hans_ | this bad? https://i.imgur.com/crmTFqk.png |
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| 17:02.35 | Tenkawa | greycat: eh? I didnt say was did I? |
| 17:02.43 | jelly | hans_: maybe. Some of those ethernet cards work without fw, some don't |
| 17:02.56 | greycat | 12:58 Tenkawa> jelly: nis was just scary |
| 17:03.05 | Tenkawa | ahh that |
| 17:03.17 | Tenkawa | I meant when "I" used it |
| 17:03.35 | jelly | hans_: the simplest thing to do if it turns out they do need it, is use unofficial debian-installer images that include firmware for physical servers |
| 17:03.37 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 17:03.38 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 17:04.42 | Tenkawa | out of curiosity any of you still doing cobol on debian |
| 17:04.43 | Tenkawa | ? |
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| 17:04.54 | Tenkawa | serious question |
| 17:05.09 | jelly | too young for cobol |
| 17:05.22 | jelly | also, !anyone |
| 17:05.26 | annadane | get off my lawn |
| 17:05.29 | greycat | the last time I saw cobol was in 1994 on aix |
| 17:05.34 | Tenkawa | spent the first part of his career doing it |
| 17:05.41 | jelly | that was about the last time I say yp |
| 17:05.53 | jhutchins_wk | Cobol 77 forever |
| 17:05.57 | Tenkawa | I was wondering if you think its going to be maintained |
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| 17:06.10 | jelly | if you asked about fortran you might have even gotten a positive |
| 17:06.30 | Tenkawa | Well cobol is still in a lot of banking apps |
| 17:06.36 | jhutchins_wk | Tenkawa: There are a lot of financial institutions with massive cobol codebases. |
| 17:06.53 | Tenkawa | jhutchins_wk: yep.. thats how I got in it |
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| 17:07.20 | Tenkawa | mind you at that time it was svr4 |
| 17:07.22 | jelly | you just say "massive" because they can't run a hercules emulator on a PC |
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| 17:07.58 | jhutchins_wk | IBM 360/370 |
| 17:08.09 | Tenkawa | now that machine could run on my watch/phone |
| 17:09.35 | gvth | Hi there; I just booted a live system from a USB key (created using the hybrid function). I created a new partition on the free space on the USB key using fdisk which succeeded. When I try to make a filesystem on it issuing "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb3", I get an error message: "/dev/sdb3 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!". The command-line tool df, at least, shows that /dev/sdb3 |
| 17:09.41 | gvth | is not mounted, so why the error message? |
| 17:10.00 | Tenkawa | well back to waiting for my downloads to finish so I can see if vmware and I are going to have an epic struggle today. |
| 17:10.03 | Tenkawa | afk |
| 17:11.18 | jelly | gvth: if any other partitions on /dev/sdb are in use, the kernel might not be able to update its in-memory notion of partition table layout and userspace, eg. mkfs, can't work with /dev/sdb3 |
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| 17:11.32 | jelly | gvth: reboot and try again :-) |
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| 17:13.03 | jelly | gvth: does /dev/sdb3 device node exist at all right now? |
| 17:13.15 | jelly | if it does not, that's a clue |
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| 17:13.56 | gvth | jelly: fdisk shows that sdb3 exists |
| 17:14.08 | gvth | jelly: I rebooted and tried again; to no avail |
| 17:15.19 | jelly | gvth: pastebin the output of "lsblk", and "mount" and "swapon -s" maybe? |
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| 17:16.18 | gvth | jelly: the machine running the live system cannot go online because the wifi-adapter is broken. I am just trying to shift some data files over |
| 17:16.39 | gvth | jelly: lsblk shows that sdb3 exists and is 27.6G large |
| 17:17.36 | jelly | I don't want your choice of excerpts, show the whole output please |
| 17:17.56 | rivyn | So I set up some Debian 9 VM's in vmware. I'm finding that when I reboot the VM's, even if I select at the BIOS level to boot from CD, it ends up booting the installed grub. How can I go about doing a reinstall? |
| 17:17.57 | jelly | upload screenshots to imgur.com or someplace |
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| 17:18.37 | gvth | jelly: I can't :( |
| 17:19.00 | jelly | no camera phone at hand? |
| 17:19.04 | annadane | or pipe it to termbin? |
| 17:19.17 | jelly | yeah, pipe it from a machine that does not have internet |
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| 17:19.24 | annadane | fair, lol |
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| 17:20.08 | rivyn | How do I make a system boot a Debian CD even when Debian is already installed? |
| 17:20.18 | jelly | gvth: is mount|grep sdb3 empty? |
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| 17:20.26 | greycat | boot menu in the firmware, usually |
| 17:20.29 | rivyn | It seem like the CD is detecting that there's an install and turning over the boot loading to that. |
| 17:20.35 | rivyn | I did select CD in the boot menu |
| 17:20.41 | rivyn | that works for Ubuntu, but not for Debian for some reason. |
| 17:21.21 | jelly | rivyn: debian-installer does not do that. which .iso are you trying to boot? |
| 17:21.28 | gvth | jelly: yes, mount|grep sdb3 is empty |
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| 17:22.24 | madjpm | hi |
| 17:22.37 | jelly | rivyn: if you suspect it of doing that, you can boot ubuntu, wipe the disk from boot loader and partition table, and try to boot debian iso again |
| 17:22.48 | rivyn | I guess, but that's a pain |
| 17:22.55 | rivyn | I figured there must be something simple |
| 17:22.57 | rivyn | I'll try it again |
| 17:23.15 | jelly | which iso is it? |
| 17:23.27 | rivyn | The 9.9 cd from debian.org |
| 17:23.33 | gvth | jelly: imgut wants me on my phone to download the app (which is non-free likely). I cannot find an option to upload a photo |
| 17:23.36 | jelly | rivyn: netinst? |
| 17:23.50 | rivyn | debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:23.57 | jelly | right |
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| 17:24.31 | rivyn | Is there an alternative to that? |
| 17:25.24 | jelly | gvth: click "no thanks", then the upload cloud icon, then X, then the upload form appears |
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| 17:25.31 | madjpm | anyone know why on a new install of debian 9, usb keys are mounted automatically on gnome but not on my old box... |
| 17:25.59 | madjpm | udev config problem ? |
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| 17:26.30 | gvth | jelly: there is only a "Gew App" button. There is no "no thanks" button |
| 17:26.45 | jelly | gvth: is there no X in top right corner? |
| 17:27.08 | gvth | jelly: no |
| 17:27.28 | jelly | wfm on android |
| 17:27.38 | jelly | picpaste.com maybe? |
| 17:27.54 | jelly | nope |
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| 17:31.17 | gvth | jelly: I am desperately trying to find a free photo host provider... |
| 17:31.43 | jelly | lewd.pics ? :-) |
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| 17:33.07 | jelly | wfm (but then again, so does imgur in browser) |
| 17:33.33 | jelly | and there's hardly any lewd |
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| 17:34.57 | jelly | sure https://lewd.pics/p/?i=hx0d.jpg is somewhat annoying to type in manually |
| 17:35.56 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose there is some reason everybody is ignoring the 800lb gorilla that is google photos. Probably involving tinfoil hats. |
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| 17:37.05 | annadane | it'll probably be discontinued in 6 months |
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| 18:02.41 | jhutchins_wk | rivyn: Are you sure your iso file is good? Checksum? |
| 18:02.55 | jhutchins_wk | rivyn: If it's a VM, why not just delete and recreate? |
| 18:03.14 | rivyn | that takes a lot more steps |
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| 18:03.28 | rivyn | anyways I'll figure it out, got sidetracked for now |
| 18:04.28 | rivyn | Creating a VM involves going through a dialog and configuring a bunch of options. I'm using a standalone VMWare ESXi server, and as far as I can tell there's no ability to clone VM's from a template unless you buy vCenter. |
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| 18:04.49 | rivyn | I'm just looking for the shortest path to "recycle" an existing configured VM |
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| 18:17.21 | a-l-e | how can i get virtualbox to install on testing? ... |
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| 18:18.06 | a-l-e | it's available for jessie, stretch-backports and sid... but not for buster : - ( |
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| 18:20.35 | a-l-e | ok... virtualbox.org has an "all distributions" download... that might be a solution... |
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| 18:22.33 | englosh | when I install `lua5.3-dev` and link with lua5.3, I get `undefined reference to `lua_pcall'`. Is this function not included in the package? `luaL_newstate` does work. |
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| 18:28.56 | teb007est | trying to install netinstaller for the first time I have no USB am stuck on Ubuntu 19.04 I want to switch to Debian 9 Stable Support I have the ISO I tryed installing Grub Rescue Placing the ISO in /boot/images/ & update grub-menu |
| 18:29.59 | greycat | you have no USB ... so write it to a CD? |
| 18:30.06 | teb007est | But when I tryed to install it boot to the menu I click graphic installer and it said when it was trying to dectect CD it did not and it no prossess after that |
| 18:30.52 | greycat | if you can't boot from USB or CD then you might have to try the deboostrap method, from within Ubuntu |
| 18:30.56 | teb007est | This is a netbook no CD I have no CD USB DRIVE or a USB it would be more easer for me to do so but I have no way of getting one I am trying to get this to work but very hard to |
| 18:31.19 | ksk | !tell teb007est about debootstrap |
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| 18:32.14 | a-l-e | so, no the "all distribution" is not a good idea... it (silently) messes with the system files. |
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| 18:32.36 | rwp | teb007est, How did you get Ubuntu installed if there is no USB or CDROM boot? |
| 18:32.57 | a-l-e | https://packages.debian.org/buster/virtualbox : - ( |
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| 18:33.28 | johnfg | Although I'm not a noobie, I feel like this is a noobie question. |
| 18:33.28 | ksk | a-l-e: iirc it was removed, because debian cannot keep up with oracles way of releasesing patches to security related stuff (they dont release patches, only new, patched builds..) |
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| 18:33.41 | ksk | dpkg, why is virtualbox not in buster |
| 18:33.42 | dpkg | ksk: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 18:33.47 | ksk | :( |
| 18:34.08 | rwp | a-l-e, I am not personally a fan of virtualbox on GNU/Linux. On Windows it works well enough. But on GNU/Linux KVM with libvirt works very well. Is there a reason you need VirtualBox? |
| 18:34.42 | a-l-e | ... the reason is that i don't know any other free solution to get another linux to run in my linux... |
| 18:34.44 | a-l-e | : - ) |
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| 18:35.24 | temple48 | let's assume there's a reason for wanting vbox rather than pushing libvirt, is there a reason why the debian 9 .deb here would not work for debian 10? or why oracle will not post a debian 10 link here when the time comes? https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 18:35.30 | johnfg | I'm running cinnamon and bash, on stretch, all updates installed. |
| 18:35.37 | rwp | Then I strongly recommend and suggest trying libvirt. You will have a much better success with it. |
| 18:36.10 | johnfg | I'm using ddev (a great thing btw, imho) and needed this in either my .profile or .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 18:36.26 | rwp | temple48, The kernel driver has had a very troubled history of poor support and bugs in the Linux kernel. |
| 18:36.34 | rwp | For vboxdrv. |
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| 18:36.56 | ksk | johnfg: what is ddev? |
| 18:37.04 | johnfg | http://dpaste.com/2BTMR4T |
| 18:37.04 | a-l-e | i'm reading about libvirt but i cannot really understand what it does... it looks more like a library that virtualbox is using... |
| 18:37.39 | johnfg | ksk: https://www.drud.com/ |
| 18:37.40 | a-l-e | i need somethign that will run a linux mint inside of my debian testing... that's all : - ) |
| 18:38.03 | johnfg | They've got the what is ddev right there. |
| 18:38.04 | temple48 | rwp: I get it, "use libvirt" is the answer to every virtualbox question, but assuming someone needs or wants to use vbox |
| 18:38.12 | temple48 | a-l-e: take a look at this https://packages.debian.org/buster/virt-manager |
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| 18:38.26 | temple48 | a-l-e: it makes libvirt a bit easier to handle |
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| 18:38.32 | rwp | a-l-e, I do exactly what you are wanting to do and and KVM with the libvirt utilities is IMNHO the easiest way to use it. |
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| 18:38.55 | rwp | I am lumping virt-manager in with the libvirt utilities. virt-manager is quite good. |
| 18:39.06 | johnfg | I've got the lines in the paste in my .profile, but it isn't getting read at login. |
| 18:39.25 | johnfg | I have to do a: . .profile, then it's there. |
| 18:39.28 | rwp | johnfg, Do you also have a .bash_profile too? .profile is ignored by bash if there is a .bash_profile. |
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| 18:39.39 | johnfg | I do. |
| 18:39.44 | rwp | Then that is why. |
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| 18:41.00 | dev__ | hello |
| 18:41.01 | dev__ | xd |
| 18:41.02 | a-l-e | virt-manager is pulling half of the world... |
| 18:41.05 | rwp | a-l-e, https://wiki.debian.org/KVM looks a little dated but generally has a lot of useful information. But I think it might need some update tweaks for current Stretch. |
| 18:41.08 | a-l-e | is qemu needed for what i need? |
| 18:41.09 | johnfg | I actually have the lines in .bash_profile as well, but not getting read. |
| 18:41.29 | rwp | a-l-e, Yes. QEMU is part of the system that you need. |
| 18:41.32 | johnfg | Is: "eval $(/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/bin/brew shellenv)" the right syntax for bash? |
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| 18:42.15 | rwp | a-l-e, Also see https://wiki.debian.org/libvirt |
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| 18:44.47 | Soliton | eval "$(/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/bin/brew shellenv)" |
| 18:44.52 | rwp | a-l-e, Looks like the full list of things that *I* install for KVM is this long list. apt-get install gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.0 libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system ovmf qemu-efi qemu-kvm qemu-utils spice-client-gtk virt-manager virt-top virt-viewer virt-what virtinst |
| 18:44.57 | Soliton | assuming brew outputs shell syntax. |
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| 18:46.07 | rwp | a-l-e, But that covers everything. And then add yourself to the 'libvirt' group. As root "adduser YOURLOGINNAME libvirt" and then log out and log back in again so that you get that additional group in your login groups. |
| 18:46.17 | a-l-e | ok, installing half of the world... i cannot remove substantial parts of the optional dependencies. |
| 18:46.18 | johnfg | Soliton: You're saying it *should* work as it's in my .bash_profile? |
| 18:46.50 | rwp | a-l-e, Then start "virt-manager", it will be a menu pick from the start menu too. If that all works and you have virt-manager up then we can talk about doing a linux installation. |
| 18:47.34 | Soliton | johnfg: if you're talking about an interactive login shell, sure. |
| 18:48.02 | rwp | johnfg, I think it should work as is in your .bash_profile file. |
| 18:48.57 | a-l-e | ok, thanks rwp |
| 18:49.05 | rwp | johnfg, You can run the "brew shellenv" command manually. Just type it into your bash shell. And see the output it produces. It should all be stuff that looks like bash syntax variables setting and things like that. |
| 18:49.14 | a-l-e | i can now restart X11... |
| 18:49.47 | rwp | a-l-e, You can verify that you are in the libvirt group with "id" and looking for it. "id | grep --color libvirt" and it should be there. |
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| 18:54.04 | a-l-e | ok, rwp i'm back in... |
| 18:54.34 | rwp | Cool! Can you start up virt-manager? It should also be a desktop menu item too. Your choice on how you start it. |
| 18:54.36 | a-l-e | and virt-manager is running |
| 18:55.23 | rwp | \o/ |
| 18:55.29 | a-l-e | i can try to add my iso as qemu/kvm... |
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| 18:56.06 | rwp | Is that an installation ISO? If so then the easiest thing is to copy it to /var/lib/libvirt/images/BOOTABLE_ISO_NAME |
| 18:56.58 | a-l-e | ok, it's a linux mint image... virt-manager cannot detect a system when trying to create a vm... |
| 18:57.00 | rwp | If not then easiest is to download a netinst iso and put it in the /var/lib/libvirt/images/ directory. Don't use the boot directory there. It's a distraction. |
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| 18:57.26 | a-l-e | i'll try to do as you are saying (but, well, putting in a non system path would be preferred : - ) |
| 18:57.53 | rwp | You can polish up the process as you desire after you have a working example. :-) |
| 18:58.11 | a-l-e | yep |
| 18:58.11 | rwp | Then right click on the system name in the body of virt-manager, select New. |
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| 18:58.31 | rwp | Choose Local install media or cdrom. Then Forward. |
| 18:58.53 | rwp | Choose Use ISO image and then Browse. |
| 18:59.06 | rwp | That should show you the contents of /var/lib/libvirt/images right there. Select your bootable install image. |
| 18:59.41 | rwp | At that point everything should be obvious enough that you can figure it out as you go along. Hopefully it will all work at that point. |
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| 19:00.24 | rwp | But the details of all of that up to that point can be confusing and easy to get off the working path. The smallest detail can cause lack of success. |
| 19:00.43 | a-l-e | ok, it shows up (i've missed the "images"... |
| 19:01.21 | a-l-e | it still says that i must select an os when going forward... |
| 19:01.52 | rwp | Select an OS instead of Generic? It would be best to select the specific OS you are installing from the selection list. So it can make other selections for you. |
| 19:03.12 | rwp | If you have gotten to the point where you are creating a VM successfully and it is installing and you are seeing the graphical display of it then there are a couple of more hints for you. |
| 19:03.20 | a-l-e | i can mount the iso... |
| 19:03.34 | rwp | Mount the iso? Huh? |
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| 19:03.52 | rwp | You can't boot from it? |
| 19:04.17 | rwp | Early on if you have an http netinst boot path that can be selected instead of a netinst boot iso. |
| 19:04.37 | a-l-e | well, i wanted to check if the iso was valid... |
| 19:04.52 | a-l-e | i could selecet "generic"... |
| 19:04.59 | rwp | I keep fearing that you have a VM image that you are trying to import rather than a bootable netinst image to boot from to do an install. |
| 19:05.21 | rwp | That would be a different path. |
| 19:06.31 | rwp | Another path is to boot from your hardware cdrom. That is a different selection to choose at the first step. |
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| 19:06.51 | a-l-e | ok, mint is booting... |
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| 19:07.26 | rwp | The guest OS choice is up to you. It could be anything. I have a dozen different varieties for testing and development. |
| 19:07.41 | weedloser | virt-manager is a very nice gui |
| 19:08.04 | weedloser | I don't like the generous dependencies however, as usual with readhat software x) |
| 19:08.28 | annadane | suckless should make a virtual machine |
| 19:08.47 | weedloser | meh, you can use qemu by its own |
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| 19:08.54 | rwp | The thing that used to snag me was lacking gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0 gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.0 meant the spice client failed. A hidden dependency. |
| 19:08.54 | weedloser | it's more of a hassle however |
| 19:08.57 | annadane | yeah but the syntax....... |
| 19:09.08 | annadane | vanilla qemu is arcane wizardry |
| 19:09.11 | a-l-e | ok, indeed, too many dependencies... but it it works! |
| 19:09.15 | a-l-e | thanks for your help! |
| 19:09.39 | weedloser | annadane: yeah x) |
| 19:10.33 | rwp | There are a few subtle points. For one, at step 5 of 5 there is a checkbox, Customize configuration before install. That is where deep details can be tweaked. Such as creating a UEFI boot or other. |
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| 19:11.46 | rwp | For another I always set up a network bridge so that the VM can be reached from the subnet. Most docs assume you are using a bridge. But it is okay to use the default NAT'd network interface for a pure client configuration. |
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| 19:13.13 | a-l-e | ok, it seems to work good enough for my needs : - ) |
| 19:13.19 | a-l-e | thanks for your help |
| 19:13.21 | rwp | For another I often use "virt-manager --no-conn-autostart" on my laptop and then connect up to the remote server with ssh to manage the VMs remotely. WORKS AWESOME! |
| 19:13.36 | rwp | Happy to help. Good luck! :-) |
| 19:13.51 | weedloser | You can also configure after install if you didn't know that. Open the viewer for a vm and click on the I |
| 19:13.57 | a-l-e | ... tomorrow i will need to the work i wanted to do... but, now it's friday night! |
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| 19:14.10 | annadane | dependencies... meh. disk storage is cheap, but i get why people don't like programs like that |
| 19:14.33 | weedloser | counting packages is an obsession of mine :p |
| 19:14.42 | annadane | i do draw the line on programs that i really don't need because there are alternative programs with fewer |
| 19:14.57 | annadane | like what is it, shutter? a screenshot program, pulls in everything under the sun |
| 19:15.04 | weedloser | have a nice night a-l-e |
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| 19:15.11 | annadane | whereas i can't just use qemu by itself, i'd never understand it |
| 19:15.13 | a-l-e | btw, i have a live install that works and i could install... but no need for it for now (i just have to check how the "system" variable are set when a dark theme is picked in gnome... |
| 19:15.45 | rwp | I used to use qemu just by itself. But then started to build up a management framework around. Realized I would just end up recreating libvirt. So now I use libvirt's framework. |
| 19:16.03 | rwp | I don't like all of the xml files for configuring libvirt. But meh it is acceptable enough. Works reliably enough. |
| 19:17.28 | rwp | a-l-e, I am glad we could save you from using the vboxdrv! |
| 19:17.46 | annadane | i avoided virtualbox because it's not free software |
| 19:17.58 | annadane | i just assumed the free alternative was better quality |
| 19:18.15 | rwp | But virtualbox is GPL. It's just poorly maintained. |
| 19:18.32 | annadane | yeah no, it's in contrib and not in non-free |
| 19:18.35 | weedloser | it performs pretty bad :/ |
| 19:18.35 | annadane | still |
| 19:18.45 | weedloser | and needs a kernel module |
| 19:18.48 | rwp | Let's see.. Here is a very old reference link: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/6/317 |
| 19:18.51 | annadane | i'd rather use software in main unless i have to use something else |
| 19:18.54 | weedloser | so yeah, no excuse to not use virt-manager |
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| 19:19.13 | annadane | (fucking nvidia...) |
| 19:19.30 | weedloser | I'm very happy with my RX580 :D |
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| 19:22.11 | weedloser | literally plug and play, and everything just works (with nonfree amd gpu firmware i might add :P) |
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| 20:03.17 | jhutchins_wk | ,v virtualbox |
| 20:03.18 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.8-dfsg-2 |
| 20:04.01 | jhutchins_wk | I run it on W10, don't have any issues, but all I do is ansible and irc. |
| 20:04.14 | jhutchins_wk | I run the gui so I get screen scaling. |
| 20:04.20 | jhutchins_wk | (xfce) |
| 20:05.42 | jhutchins_wk | weedloser: vbox will run without kernel modules. |
| 20:07.05 | weedloser | https://packages.debian.org/sid/virtualbox-dkms |
| 20:07.06 | weedloser | hm? |
| 20:08.39 | jhutchins_wk | weedloser: I believe that provides extended capabilities. But D'Oh, you're HOSTING on linux, not just running guests like me. |
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| 20:14.11 | rwp | jhutchins_wk, VirtualBox on Windows seems to be okay. It is the Linux kernel driver vboxdrv that is poor. |
| 20:16.51 | weedloser | Yes |
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| 20:28.03 | temple48 | there are some things it makes easy, bridged networking and shared folders under certain circumstances. libvirt had horrible performance for some reason on one of my machines, and virtualbox didn't, so i used / use vbox there. i think it's an iommu kernel setting perhaps that was causing it. in any event there are a rare few people who have a better experience with vbox than libvirt on linux host |
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| 20:28.40 | temple48 | never run it on debian though, as a topical caveat. only fedora. maybe it's especially rotten on debian due to other packages & components |
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| 20:32.36 | S1lv3rL1n1ng | beer thirty... off to the bar |
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| 20:33.27 | cbilt | S1lv3rL1n1ng: enjoy |
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| 20:35.36 | rwp | Regarding VirtualBox. My observation is that people running Windows always think it is fine. Then try to use it on a Linux distro and there are often problems. Because it is poor on Linux. |
| 20:35.40 | rwp | "Negative transference of learning." |
| 20:36.28 | Tenkawa | rwp: biggest problem I run into is activation |
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| 20:36.45 | Tenkawa | its just a pain.. virt and non-virt |
| 20:38.04 | rwp | "activation"? You mean Windows Microsoft license activation? |
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| 20:38.33 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 20:38.58 | temple48 | rwp: people running windows as the guest or the host? |
| 20:39.07 | Tenkawa | especially on amd virts |
| 20:39.15 | rwp | Well... You have a choice. I think you have chosen poorly. :-) |
| 20:39.41 | rwp | temple48, Yes. |
| 20:39.57 | Tenkawa | rwp: not really.. I support windows clients so I dont want all the hardware |
| 20:40.01 | temple48 | rwp: ha, fair enough. only thing i've ever done in vbox is win guest on fedora host |
| 20:40.17 | temple48 | in cases when i've had linux guests, virt-manager worked just fine |
| 20:40.38 | Tenkawa | mind you.. my new replacement box got rid of that problem :) |
| 20:41.01 | rwp | libvirt itself is simply a management framework for qemu kvm guests. So saying libvirt has a performance problem covers up the real issue of whatever was running the guest. |
| 20:41.22 | rwp | The latest intel-microcode firmware has significant performance loss for me for example. |
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| 20:41.53 | temple48 | rwp: right, many months later I stumbled into finding something that made me think it's an iommu kernel setting that was causing the bad performance on libvirt on that one machine |
| 20:41.54 | weedloser | intel... *sigh* |
| 20:42.06 | Tenkawa | perf problems are one thing I never had on any of the virt solutions |
| 20:42.51 | Tenkawa | I really do like kvm though |
| 20:43.23 | rwp | There is a little bit of a learning curve to figure out what needs to be installed and how to drive it. But after getting past that then it really works rather nicely. |
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| 20:43.37 | Tenkawa | indeed |
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| 20:44.17 | rwp | And different people have different needs. Some just want something very manual. Running qemu directly for them is fine. Others want a larger continuous integration build system. Something more like openstack. For them they want more. |
| 20:44.36 | Tenkawa | well.. lets see if this newly built vm will activate or not... I doubt it |
| 20:44.39 | weedloser | Regarding mitigations: I have an ASUS motherboard and i see a uefi/bios firmware update with mitigations, it's marked as beta tho and i have everything set up an running nicely. Is it really needed considering mitigations are in kernel already? |
| 20:44.42 | rwp | There is no single size to fit everyone. |
| 20:45.11 | greycat | Why does a kernel security fix bump the kernel ABI? |
| 20:45.17 | rwp | weedloser, Are you running untrusted code from 3rd parties on your system? Or only your own stuff? |
| 20:46.04 | rwp | If only your own stuff then you can delay maybe forever installing the beta fix. |
| 20:46.26 | rwp | greycat, Yes. That is an excellent question. There should be no need for an ABI change. |
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| 20:48.09 | weedloser | Why does it matter if there's kernel mitigations already? |
| 20:48.30 | rwp | The MDS flaw is similar to Spectre and Meltdown in that hosting companies like Linode, DigitalOcean, Amazon AWS, Microsoft Azure, are the ones really hit by it. Because they sell cpu cycles to anyone with a credit card. One customer can attack another customer. So they are the most vulnerable to those problems. |
| 20:48.34 | greycat | dpkg, mds is also <https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11091> |
| 20:48.34 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:48.56 | greycat | (would've added that to the factoid the other day but security-tracker was down) |
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| 20:49.55 | rwp | weedloser, The motherboard has no idea what OS you are running. |
| 20:50.54 | rwp | What does the full factoid say now? |
| 20:50.56 | rwp | !mds |
| 20:50.56 | dpkg | Microarchitectural Data Sampling (MDS) (aka MDSUM). Yet another hardware exploit in recent Intel CPUs. See <https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4447>, or <https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11091> |
| 20:50.59 | Terrell | does anyone know how to do this? I know it can be done. I want my cell phone mapped to a window on hte PC. Right now its wiondows 7 pro. But I also have all versions and they are legal. My desktop is going to be Debian. But I run at least 6 servers. OpenBSD on the firewalls and web servers. I have twin towers. Plus lap tops. I have been running Debian Linux for over 20 years. |
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| 20:53.25 | rwp | Terrell, No idea. |
| 20:53.41 | Terrell | rwp me too |
| 20:54.30 | vishal | Terrell: nothing debian related but I've used the vysor chrome app for an android phone tethered to the pc via USB before. |
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| 20:55.36 | Terrell | last time I was in court the Crown Prosecutor said to the judge. Quote: I have no idea. To which I reply. Well Jugde this makes two (2) of us. |
| 20:56.08 | Terrell | vishal, well I know we ccan do it. |
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| 20:57.29 | Terrell | I sa3w it. We can tether a smasung smart phone. I can use the KB on the PC and tsalk to the smart phone |
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| 21:02.06 | vishal | is this a good place for debian development type questions? or is there a different channel? |
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| 21:03.16 | Terrell | vishal, I think its a good placce |
| 21:05.16 | Terrell | vishal, I aM A PROGRAMMER |
| 21:05.28 | Terrell | DAMN CAPS LOCK |
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| 21:08.13 | vishal | I'm curious if someone who is/were a DM can give me a gist of the 'steps' for creating a new package update, I'd be grateful. I'm the upstream in this case, and I maintain the fedora/epel packages, but getting a request to also maintain the debian package. Debian sid does package this via some other DM, but it is a couple versions behind. |
| 21:08.39 | vishal | I'm just trying to get an idea of what I'm signing up for before going through the DM/DD process |
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| 21:09.04 | Terrell | vishal, you do far better than me |
| 21:09.11 | jmcnaught | !nmg |
| 21:09.11 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 21:09.25 | jmcnaught | !mentors |
| 21:09.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 21:09.46 | jmcnaught | vishal: ^^ check out the new maintainer's guide and #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:09.56 | vishal | jmcnaught: thanks, I'll give those a read |
| 21:10.13 | Terrell | vishal, I am 66 years old with dead kids |
| 21:10.38 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:10.47 | Terrell | Also kick ass |
| 21:10.48 | Terrell | ] |
| 21:11.36 | Terrell | My girl friedns say I can kick ass |
| 21:11.55 | ksk | Terrell: there is #debian-offtopic for your social needs. |
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| 21:29.07 | at0m | !ops Terrell |
| 21:29.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: at0m complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 21:29.29 | at0m | ksk: they tried there, too |
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| 21:31.53 | codedmart | Can I disable selinux with debootstrap? |
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| 21:36.38 | rwp | codedmart, If you are using debootstrap then simply don't install it if you don't want it. |
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| 21:37.53 | codedmart | rwp: Oh so when I install bionic it isn't installed by default? |
| 21:38.02 | codedmart | With debootstrap? |
| 21:39.06 | codedmart | I must be seeing another issue then. I am using debootstrap with systemd-nspawn (machinectl), but I get an error when I try to use `machinectl shell CONTAINER ...` and from googling I thought it was selinux. |
| 21:39.16 | codedmart | I will poke around some more. |
| 21:39.19 | codedmart | Thanks |
| 21:39.37 | rwp | bionic sounds like #ubuntu to me. :-/ |
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| 21:39.57 | codedmart | Ah right :( |
| 21:39.57 | rwp | But no, debootstrap installs a minimum system. Then you install whatever you want on top of that as a second step |
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| 21:40.50 | rwp | You can see if you have it installed: dpkg -l |grep selinux |
| 21:41.04 | rwp | And then you can always uninstall it if you don't want it or disable it or whatever. |
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| 23:03.34 | magic_ninja | How should I divide up a new debian install? I have a 1TB disk. I would like to keep my config files and such in /home but I don't know if I should have multiple partitions or just install the system on a single / |
| 23:03.57 | Chex | magic_ninja: I just do the whole thing, with LVM |
| 23:04.03 | Chex | I install on a small SSD, so I dont really care |
| 23:04.11 | Chex | 250GB SSD |
| 23:04.20 | magic_ninja | The idea is that I can save application configurations and all my files if I have to reinstall the system. |
| 23:04.33 | Chex | ah I dont bother with that |
| 23:04.57 | Chex | just take a disk image with Acronis every once in a while |
| 23:05.21 | Chex | and all my data is on /data on a separate RAID5 array |
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| 23:05.35 | annadane | acronis? |
| 23:05.43 | Chex | acronis, yep |
| 23:05.50 | annadane | ,v acronis |
| 23:05.51 | judd | No package named 'acronis' was found in amd64. |
| 23:06.21 | Chex | https://www.acronis.com/en-us/personal/true-image-features/imaging/ |
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| 23:06.59 | EdePopede | but why? |
| 23:07.14 | Chex | to get my system back if my / gets blowned up |
| 23:07.22 | EdePopede | ok, this convinces me. |
| 23:07.34 | EdePopede | they call it "Cyber Protection" |
| 23:07.39 | Chex | meh |
| 23:07.49 | EdePopede | "Create an exact, bit-by-bit replica of a disk on a second hard drive" |
| 23:07.53 | EdePopede | dd? |
| 23:08.02 | Chex | I just boot the utility and image it |
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| 23:08.03 | EdePopede | "Back up all the contents of a hard drive to a single compressed file" |
| 23:08.05 | EdePopede | tar/cpio? |
| 23:08.06 | Chex | yeah dd would work fine, too, but I am a tools idiot |
| 23:08.22 | Chex | everytime i try to use dd I mess something up |
| 23:08.54 | EdePopede | lots of options, try to stay with those you will need |
| 23:09.09 | humpled | pick a plan |
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| 23:09.42 | EdePopede | and a full disk image is simple as can be. dd if=$src of=$dest (optional bs and skip and count) |
| 23:09.56 | humpled | who needs a full disk image though |
| 23:10.07 | EdePopede | easy solution |
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| 23:10.30 | EdePopede | i can loop mount it later and pick the files i need until i restore them |
| 23:10.38 | EdePopede | talkin'bout /home |
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| 23:10.56 | humpled | so you only really need some of it |
| 23:11.12 | EdePopede | i don't need all of it all the time |
| 23:11.37 | EdePopede | reinstalling is always also cleaning up for me |
| 23:12.57 | humpled | hmm, |
| 23:13.20 | humpled | so you tidy up by putting everything in the cupboard, including the dust, then later just get out what you need |
| 23:14.26 | EdePopede | not the dust, just all the stuff that falls into my hands |
| 23:15.29 | EdePopede | i don't have hours of hd video here for editing, and media is what fills the disks |
| 23:16.21 | EdePopede | i really don't care about even some GB more or less which are laying around somewhere in $HOME |
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| 23:19.02 | Chex | EdePopede: dd if=$src |
| 23:19.05 | Chex | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.07 | Chex | my problem with this |
| 23:19.12 | Chex | is how to restore it to a boot partition again |
| 23:19.20 | Chex | backing it up is fine |
| 23:19.29 | Chex | but how the F do you restore it so it actually boots again? |
| 23:19.37 | ksk | Chex: eh? dd if=src of=/dev/sdx |
| 23:19.51 | EdePopede | the mbr? a sector is 512 byte and you need 1 such block |
| 23:19.57 | Chex | ksk: ive tried that, doesnt work |
| 23:20.02 | Chex | never ever boots |
| 23:20.04 | ksk | https://www.linux.com/learn/full-metal-backup-using-dd-command |
| 23:20.10 | EdePopede | add bs=512 count=1 |
| 23:20.14 | Chex | nope |
| 23:20.18 | Chex | doesnt work for me. |
| 23:20.31 | Chex | 'system not found' |
| 23:20.56 | EdePopede | sure you used /dev/sdX and not /dev/sdX1 or so? |
| 23:20.58 | ksk | maybe a grub-instal will solve that, not sure though. |
| 23:21.08 | dvs | that what I think |
| 23:21.28 | Chex | this is a pretty insane document to image a boot system and restore it |
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| 23:21.32 | Chex | acronis is 100 times easier |
| 23:21.43 | humpled | about how long does it take to dd a terabyte? |
| 23:21.46 | dvs | and clonezilla aint' bad either |
| 23:22.04 | EdePopede | if you don't get it manually, a simple shell script also would do the job |
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| 23:23.44 | Chex | EdePopede: yeah, I am just saying, every time I try to use dd, it fails badly for me, hence why I use the lolsumer tools like acronis |
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| 23:26.58 | EdePopede | chex: the only time i messed up my booting was with the debian installer :D |
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| 23:28.37 | Chex | EdePopede: actually I have a usecase for this soon, I want to upgrade my Lenovo laptop from stretch to buster when it is released, I will do the dd backup of the drive before I upgrade, and then ill try to restore it onto a external drive for shiz and gigs |
| 23:29.00 | Chex | and see if it boots |
| 23:29.22 | EdePopede | entire drive or partitions + mbr? |
| 23:29.27 | dvs | Chex, so why not copy it to an external in the first place? |
| 23:29.54 | joze | why are mbr so bloated nowadays? |
| 23:29.58 | Chex | dvs: because I want the backup image to be portable |
| 23:30.10 | EdePopede | bloated? 512 bytes? |
| 23:30.10 | joze | is it smartphones fault? |
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| 23:30.50 | joze | uefi |
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| 23:32.13 | Terrell | Lady_Aleena, arw you heer |
| 23:32.20 | EdePopede | isn't the first time users get confronted with something more than just mbr. there are some partition types for boot managers.... and remember acronis? |
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| 23:32.54 | EdePopede | uefi, well. you shall not do things you shall not do. |
| 23:33.17 | humpled | mbrs seem to be 2k now |
| 23:33.54 | EdePopede | and iirc it also was something with DRM. don't allow the crap to be played on "non trustworthy" systems |
| 23:34.37 | EdePopede | humpled: isn't this the "too many sectors" thing related to disks on USB? can't use my 4TB externally. |
| 23:35.10 | EdePopede | so they report 1/4 of the # of sectors with 4 times the size or so |
| 23:38.49 | humpled | actually this disk is weird |
| 23:40.40 | Terrell | Lady_Aleena, arw you heer |
| 23:41.12 | ksk | EdePopede: didnt the blocksize of hdds increase some time ago? or like, whats reported to os increased, using same size internally. can vaqely remember something like that |
| 23:41.20 | ksk | EdePopede: you did setup with GPT I suppose? |
| 23:41.42 | EdePopede | first GPT one i had was an USB disk formatted NTFS. no idea if it is formatted properly, but works in debian, so what. i think it has a protective MBR, also looked at a dump of the start area. |
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| 23:42.59 | EdePopede | ksk: could be, but no idea of it really did or the disk just tricks the OS. and i don't think you mean those blocks, whatever they were called, used by windows? |
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| 23:45.06 | EdePopede | ksk: ah, i did. wanted to get rid of this "4 partitions only" crap with old MBR. and i still don't feel like having partitions of some TBs. |
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| 23:50.45 | ksk | as long as its not "PBs" I see no problem :P |
| 23:50.57 | ksk | (and even these do work, hardware raid but still..) |
| 23:51.38 | ksk | EdePopede: I was talkin about this: https://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/advanced-format-4k-sector-hard-drives-master-ti/ |
| 23:51.58 | ksk | but I never had to actually care about that up to until now, everything just worked if I remember correctly |
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| 23:53.08 | EdePopede | ah thanks, could be the info i need for my 4T one on USB |
| 23:53.29 | EdePopede | reports around 2TB only and the partitioning also isn't recognized properly |
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| 23:53.48 | COOurb | H |
| 23:53.59 | ksk | EdePopede: are you using parted to determine that? (parted /dev/device; print;) |
| 23:54.15 | ksk | COOurb: I |
| 23:54.18 | COOurb | I can't run linux, it writes "no such device" |
| 23:54.23 | rwp | I've grown to like GPT for the regularity of it. And the lack of small limits. |
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| 23:54.40 | COOurb | I load it first from usb-hdd converter |
| 23:54.54 | COOurb | then install disk into case so now it prints this |
| 23:55.01 | EdePopede | ksk: the message when i plug it in |
| 23:55.20 | EdePopede | but could also be the usb adaptor, maybe it was *too* cheap ;) |
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| 23:57.11 | EdePopede | it also has its problem sometims, and then the disk gets resetted. reconnecting usually solves the problem. i suspect it to be something electric. had a ps/2 mouse a long time ago with an adaptor where i also had to reattach it occasionally and touch the contacts |
| 23:57.56 | EdePopede | rwp: there was a time when 528MB sounded like a really huge disk to have ;) |
| 23:58.10 | EdePopede | what about 4K 3D videos? |
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| 23:59.18 | jmcnaught | COOurb: are you trying to boot the installer? |
| 23:59.40 | COOurb | no |
| 23:59.56 | ksk | !fixmbr |
| 23:59.56 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
