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| 00:02.10 | milkt | becks: i think disk cache is enabled by default in most case |
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| 01:24.40 | icarious | Hi I have a question. The linux-source as shipped by Debian also includes all the patches / deblob that Debian uses? Or is it the Kernel in vanilla form unpatched? |
| 01:27.03 | cusco | it includes the patches |
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| 01:27.13 | cusco | err |
| 01:27.19 | cusco | no sorry I missread your question |
| 01:27.30 | cusco | the deb-src of linux-image includes the patches |
| 01:27.56 | cusco | the linux-source is a different package, I cannot pronounce myself about it |
| 01:28.31 | icarious | Ok got it |
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| 02:24.25 | annadane | does wine-development in debian stable use the latest upstream or...? |
| 02:25.12 | annadane | i notice wine itself is in backports |
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| 02:28.08 | rant | winetricks and playonlinux as I recall both facilitate installing different versions for different bottles and are capable of easily installing the lastest version |
| 02:28.13 | rant | ,v wine |
| 02:28.14 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch-backports: 4.0-1~bpo9+2; buster: 4.0-2; sid: 4.0-2 |
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| 02:28.32 | rant | the answer to your question however seems to be, obviously not. |
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| 02:35.32 | annadane | comparing the versions between wine and wine-development it seems development is the development version of each individual branch, be it stable or testing/sid |
| 02:36.04 | annadane | in the same sense as kernel 4.9 can get updates independant from 4.19 or whatever |
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| 02:38.23 | awal1 | ,v telegram-desktop |
| 02:38.24 | judd | Package: telegram-desktop on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.1.23-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.5.11-1; sid: 1.5.11-1 |
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| 02:38.42 | awal1 | does ^works fine? |
| 02:38.47 | annadane | !tias |
| 02:38.48 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 02:38.54 | awal1 | :D |
| 02:40.48 | annadane | most packages in stable/stable backports should work... |
| 02:40.53 | annadane | if not, well, that's a bug repor |
| 02:40.54 | annadane | t |
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| 02:42.41 | jakey__ | hey, i installed python3-pip but typing `pip` doesn't bring up pip |
| 02:43.00 | jakey__ | i checked and it's because my default python is python2 |
| 02:43.17 | annadane | jakey__, use pip3 |
| 02:43.20 | jakey__ | so i think i need to set my default python to python3 and then pip will also show up in my path? |
| 02:43.23 | jakey__ | pip3? |
| 02:43.28 | jakey__ | is that the package name? |
| 02:43.29 | milkt | k |
| 02:43.29 | annadane | use pip3 as the name of the command |
| 02:43.33 | jakey__ | ohhhh |
| 02:43.40 | jakey__ | thanks |
| 02:43.48 | jakey__ | o/ |
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| 02:43.52 | annadane | and no do not start messing with changing default pythons, avoid root with this python stuff blah blah |
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| 02:44.53 | milkt | sorry mistype |
| 02:45.11 | rant | annadane: I don't really see your point.. stable has 1.8.7 sid has 4.0 latest upstream is 4.0.1 |
| 02:46.58 | rant | but by the look of winehq I can probably get rid of crossover on my fathers machine before I do a buster upgrade.. cause it's showing Office 2003 and 2007 at platinum status.. he's got 2003 and last I tried it Crossover 17 ran it better |
| 02:48.16 | rant | though I probably wont upgrade him anyhow.. by time stretch reaches EOL or he drives me nuts, I'll have gotten him a new computer and just do a fresh install :P |
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| 04:30.31 | kdn | why there is update-man-something process taking 100$ of the cpu? |
| 04:30.53 | kdn | it sits there for a couple of minutes alreafy |
| 04:32.33 | themill | is this a particularly large upgrade? |
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| 05:18.40 | Ericounet | salut à tous |
| 05:19.00 | Ericounet | oups .... wrong chan ... sorry but hi, anyway :) |
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| 05:28.50 | annadane | how simple is it to resize an existing partition with debian on it? use a live image, unmount the partition, use gparted or something? |
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| 05:30.07 | annadane | the internet seems to agree with me |
| 05:30.18 | annadane | remind me to ask it before blindly demanding irc |
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| 05:44.21 | deego | Why do I see this Ignore upon apt update? Ign:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease |
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| 05:44.54 | dessy22 | Hi |
| 05:45.19 | dessy22 | LADIES Love Foreskin! https://pastebin.com/LHZWFC6h |
| 05:46.37 | dessy22 | "WE LOVE FORESKIN!" Smart women in the Party Truck - Brother K https://www.bitchute.com/video/K26JX1TjVK90/ |
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| 05:48.06 | deego | ah, "Ign means there are no changes in the pdiff index file, it wont bother downloading it again." |
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| 05:48.48 | deego | In that case, why does it keep hitting "Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease" if I apt update in quick succession? |
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| 06:12.54 | CrazyTux | is debian testing the rolling release variant of Debian? |
| 06:13.41 | agio | no |
| 06:13.47 | rwp | Testing is the release candidate for the next Stable release. |
| 06:13.58 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 06:14.09 | CrazyTux | when is the next stable release going to happen? |
| 06:16.14 | rwp | !wwbr > CrazyTux |
| 06:16.34 | agio | !wwbr |
| 06:16.34 | dpkg | Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html . Remember that Debian releases come out when they are ready, and arrive sooner, if you help ;) |
| 06:16.53 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 06:18.33 | agio | if debian's packaging model isn't "rolling releases" what is the "model" debian uses called? |
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| 06:21.44 | agio | "point releases"? |
| 06:21.45 | hans_ | agio, closest thing debian got to rolling is sid, i guess |
| 06:22.24 | agio | no, my question was what do we call debians release model? |
| 06:22.35 | milkt | agio: stable release or point release i guess |
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| 06:28.24 | rwp | An old but related reference agio https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/10/04/can-debian-offer-a-constantly-usable-testing-distribution/ |
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| 06:29.17 | agio | rwp there is also this: |
| 06:29.19 | agio | http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 06:29.42 | wr | remote access to a debian pc with GUI across reboots and poweroff's what do you guys suggest to use? |
| 06:29.43 | agio | similar idea |
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| 06:30.17 | agio | X over ssh |
| 06:30.21 | rwp | agio, Yes but http://cut.debian.net/ is paused until Wheezy releases! :-/ |
| 06:30.37 | agio | hah, ok |
| 06:30.58 | agio | even your link is dated 2010 |
| 06:31.26 | rwp | Well... I did say it was an old reference. |
| 06:31.46 | rwp | wr, There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Weasel_2000 that turns a graphics top into a serial port just like a datacenter server. |
| 06:32.12 | rwp | But those are obsolete and hard to find these days. |
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| 06:33.50 | rwp | There are also KVM over IP converters that do the same thing with an external adapter too. Those work acceptably but are relatively expensive. |
| 06:33.55 | wr | rwp, that what was going to say, but i don't refer to hardware just software access side |
| 06:34.34 | wr | rwp, but if wanna say something on hardware go ahead |
| 06:35.06 | rwp | If you are working on a bare metal hardware system then I think it requires more hardware to do what you are asking. |
| 06:35.22 | rwp | However what you are asking is very easy on a virtual machine system. Because the host can provide it for the guest. |
| 06:35.35 | wr | rwp, basically is pc+ debian inside, thats it |
| 06:36.02 | wr | pc, debian, remote access to home from anywhere |
| 06:36.23 | wr | by the way ssh is top |
| 06:36.46 | rwp | If you only care about remote desktop when the desktop is up then there are solutions for it. (Names escape me at the moment however.) |
| 06:37.03 | wr | rwp, what i really need is something so good as ssh on the GUI side |
| 06:37.29 | rwp | And most of us use ssh for terminal access from anywhere. That's the base level of access. But you said graphical across reboots and poweroffs... |
| 06:37.47 | wr | rwp, i think i hate all solutions to remote desktop that exist today, rdp, vnc, etc |
| 06:38.02 | pingfloyd | remote with gui generally sucks |
| 06:38.17 | pingfloyd | x2go is one of the better options for that though |
| 06:39.50 | t0x-Avgr | nomachine (NX) works well, but its not foss |
| 06:40.18 | pingfloyd | I try run all free software as much as possible |
| 06:40.28 | wr | rwp, pingfloyd one thing fairly easy to use is teamviewer you install a deb and have ID pass, but i hate it too because you use someone else machine to access your pc, so... |
| 06:41.01 | pingfloyd | isn't teamviewer proprietary though? |
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| 06:41.13 | wr | yeah so it sucks too |
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| 06:41.51 | Franknog | wr: hey vnc is pretty good if you don't mind a mess of screen tearing and sloppy mouse control |
| 06:41.58 | rwp | Is anyone using Apache Guacamole? |
| 06:42.22 | hans_ | rwp, tried aliexpress? |
| 06:42.23 | pingfloyd | should try one of the libre ones such as x2go first at least. one of the nice things about it is that the client is multiplatform. |
| 06:42.47 | wr | Franknog, if i poweroff or reboot will the vnc always be able to resume logins? |
| 06:43.24 | Franknog | wr: if you set it to start on boot, and log back in |
| 06:43.31 | wr | i tried a bunch of stuff and for me all remote desktop sucks on linux |
| 06:43.42 | rwp | hans_, The Alibaba retailer? Have not. |
| 06:44.10 | hans_ | y but nvm they dont have it x.x |
| 06:44.22 | wr | Franknog, the vnc does work, but never liked it's setup |
| 06:44.54 | Franknog | wr: just run tightvncviewer from terminal |
| 06:44.59 | pingfloyd | wr: I just use ssh |
| 06:45.06 | rwp | I have heard good things about https://guacamole.apache.org/ but have not tried it myself yet. |
| 06:45.10 | rwp | I just use ssh for my own needs. |
| 06:45.19 | pingfloyd | wr: I prefer the CLI and it works no fuss. |
| 06:45.47 | wr | rwp, i never installed that one but i once had a look on it |
| 06:45.49 | rwp | ssh, bash, mutt, emacs, FTW! |
| 06:46.29 | wr | pingfloyd, ssh is great but when you use something with a GUI comes more pain |
| 06:47.06 | rwp | I should have added to my list above i3 a mouse-less window manager. |
| 06:47.46 | rwp | Plus tmux/screen. Couldn't live without those either. |
| 06:48.13 | rwp | There is a theme there. The theme is, "It's All Text." |
| 06:48.55 | pingfloyd | there's really only a few programs that gui makes more sense |
| 06:49.19 | hans_ | > We call it clientless because no plugins or client software are required. |
| 06:49.21 | pingfloyd | programs like gimp and blender |
| 06:49.26 | hans_ | sorry but that's impossible |
| 06:49.38 | Franknog | pingfloyd: I'd bet an insignificant amount of tux bucks you have weechat installed |
| 06:49.44 | rwp | I think they mean other than that which is already part of the web browser. |
| 06:49.47 | pingfloyd | Franknog: yep |
| 06:49.52 | pingfloyd | Franknog: that's what I'm using |
| 06:50.04 | pingfloyd | Franknog: been using for quite a few years. I used to use irssi |
| 06:50.16 | Franknog | pingfloyd: I love it |
| 06:50.16 | hans_ | the closest you can get to a tcp socket is WebSocket and you can't implement a SSH client in WebSocket - not without special ssh server support, anyway |
| 06:50.26 | pingfloyd | Franknog: weechat or irsii? |
| 06:50.26 | hans_ | SSH just doesn't use the WebSocket protocol. |
| 06:50.31 | CrazyTux | what is Ubuntu LTS based on? debian testing or unstable? |
| 06:50.37 | Franknog | pingfloyd: weechat |
| 06:50.48 | pingfloyd | Franknog: yeah, I think it's the best one of them all |
| 06:50.51 | rwp | CrazyTux, Neither. It's a fork. |
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| 06:51.16 | pingfloyd | CrazyTux: they base it on an snapshot of testing |
| 06:51.23 | CrazyTux | rwp: ok |
| 06:51.23 | Franknog | pingfloyd: how do you change buffers with numbers greater than 9 with a hotkey? lol |
| 06:51.25 | hans_ | CrazyTux, it's based on debian testing |
| 06:51.30 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 06:51.35 | pingfloyd | CrazyTux: the regular ubuntu is from a snapshot of sid |
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| 06:52.01 | hans_ | pingfloyd, really? last i read, which was years ago, it was based on testing, but idk anymore |
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| 06:52.10 | pingfloyd | hans_: LTS is based on testing |
| 06:52.13 | rwp | Franknog, The letters q w e r (not t) y u i o give you more numbers. |
| 06:52.16 | hans_ | oh kk |
| 06:52.18 | pingfloyd | hans_: regular release on sid |
| 06:52.22 | wr | pingfloyd, on that x2go if use any win machine to get to a linux one, will it work ok? |
| 06:52.47 | pingfloyd | wr: yeah. I has a windows client |
| 06:52.55 | pingfloyd | wr: the server part of it is linux only though |
| 06:53.54 | pingfloyd | that's actually what I used, because it was at work. |
| 06:53.57 | rwp | Some things in Debian are based on Ubuntu packages. Some things are the reverse. The two are related but separate. |
| 06:54.11 | pingfloyd | they used x2go windows client there. |
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| 06:56.06 | wr | pingfloyd, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3fe519bb/ |
| 06:57.27 | pingfloyd | wr: try: apt-get install -f |
| 06:57.31 | pingfloyd | all by itself |
| 06:57.47 | pingfloyd | you have held broken packages |
| 06:57.59 | CrazyTux | does Debian have more number of packages as compared to distros based on rpm? |
| 06:58.01 | rwp | apt-mark showhold |
| 06:58.05 | wr | pingfloyd, doesn't do nothing just retrieves terminal again :) |
| 06:58.14 | wr | i tried it before |
| 06:58.15 | CrazyTux | like mageia, fedora, pclinuxos etc? |
| 06:58.19 | pingfloyd | CrazyTux: yeah |
| 06:58.38 | pingfloyd | CrazyTux: centos and fedora don't have that many official packages |
| 06:58.52 | CrazyTux | can we install snaps and flapaks on debian stable? |
| 06:59.33 | rwp | CrazyTux, "Enough is equal to a feast" --Henry Fielding . Which is to say that if it has everything you need then the number of packages does not matter. |
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| 07:04.19 | CrazyTux | can community based distros be more complete and more refined than distros supported by corporations? |
| 07:05.04 | CrazyTux | for example, mx linux vis-a-vis ubuntu. |
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| 07:11.18 | rwp | CrazyTux, Debian and Ubuntu have a similar number of packages. Both have a huge amount more than RHEL by comparison. |
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| 07:12.24 | hans_ | or RedStarOS |
| 07:13.46 | oiaohm | rwp: https://www.howtogeek.com/194247/whats-the-difference-between-main-restricted-universe-and-multiverse-on-ubuntu/ Ubuntu has similar number of packages as debian because the universe repository is basically lets import from debian. |
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| 07:18.13 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:21.22 | rwp | oiaohm, Yes. That does make it rather cheating to count numbers of packages then. Which is why I was saying that the number of packages don't really matter. |
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| 07:22.33 | rwp | And if numbers do matter then it reinforces that corporate backed distros really have fewer packages than community based ones. |
| 07:23.11 | wr | rwp, guacamole client uses java :( |
| 07:23.18 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: some of the distributions people think of as community are not 100 percent that. https://www.debian.org/partners/ this is companies that keep debian with its servers and other resources to operate. |
| 07:23.37 | CrazyTux | oiaohm: ok |
| 07:24.16 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: so debian you would class as a multi company distribution. This does kind of explain why it has so many packages. Its not depending in the income of one company. |
| 07:24.34 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:25.43 | rwp | Guacamole client uses Java? I did not know that. :-( |
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| 07:29.54 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions If you go down to the "Package management and installation" table and order by number of packages. You will see that debian and ubuntu roughtly have the most packages |
| 07:30.21 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:31.52 | oiaohm | Debian only has so many because it really has so many big servers to be building and running quality control. If you subtract debian packages off ubuntu there is not much left of ubuntu. |
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| 07:33.17 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:33.50 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: https://piuparts.debian.org/ Like this ever new package submitted to debian is going though automated tests. |
| 07:34.15 | CrazyTux | great. |
| 07:34.39 | rwp | Debian is also pushing reproducible builds in a big way. Which is really an important goal. |
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| 07:35.05 | oiaohm | again reproducible doing that you need server power to be have to build and compare. |
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| 07:35.42 | oiaohm | Debian is well resourced by companies even that is call a community distribution a lot because no single company rules it. |
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| 07:36.16 | oiaohm | It really simple to create a new distribution. The problem is having the resources to maintain it. |
| 07:36.32 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 07:39.11 | CrazyTux | thanks a lot for all this info. |
| 07:39.15 | oiaohm | CrazyTux: As you should be getting is the line between "community based distros" and "distros supported by corporations" is not a line. There is areas of overlap and debian is one of those in the middle between both. |
| 07:39.31 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:40.08 | oiaohm | Even redhat with Fedora/RHEL combination is not 100 percent corporation its part community as well. |
| 07:40.20 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 07:40.43 | oiaohm | Linux world has many things that are shades of grey. |
| 07:41.00 | oiaohm | Like Microsoft contributing code to the Linux kernel. |
| 07:41.06 | CrazyTux | I agree. |
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| 07:55.05 | daifuco | corporation are just groups of organized people after all |
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| 09:28.47 | strk | I get a "NO_PUBKEY F473DD4473365DE1" message from apt, but I've specified a pubring in the source.list.d file: |
| 09:28.51 | strk | deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/matrix-org-archive-keyring.gpg] https://packages.matrix.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 09:29.14 | strk | what could the problem be ? |
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| 09:32.53 | strk | oh sorry, wrong repo :) |
| 09:32.57 | strk | it was for http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian/dists/jessie-updates |
| 09:33.12 | strk | I guess they dismissed jessie-updates mirror ? could that be ? |
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| 10:04.41 | EdePopede | strk: according to the topic? yes. |
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| 10:15.31 | strk | istempted to dist-upgrade, but very scared about loosing all services hosted on that server and needing days to bring everything up again |
| 10:16.26 | alocer | dont then |
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| 10:21.15 | kurian | Hello |
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| 10:27.01 | EdePopede | strk: installing the code is the easy part, bringing the data back to life is the manual job. make a list of what you need, install it on another machine, see what changes are needed, read the docs, especially those with focus on changes. see if you can simply throw your old content over the upgraded packages. |
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| 10:28.18 | EdePopede | of course this can take days or even weeks, depending on how good you are and what the server is running. but if it is that crucial, you also don't wait with your plans until your distro reaches EOL. |
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| 10:54.37 | melpy | !eat |
| 10:54.37 | dpkg | eats melpy's ass! |
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| 11:29.44 | melpy | you can change later after installation |
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| 11:38.56 | strk | so, I just did an "apt upgrade" (instead of dist-upgrade) and was still able to lock me out :( |
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| 11:39.09 | strk | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 11:39.14 | strk | any idea why could that be ? |
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| 11:46.27 | abrotman | strk: anything /etc/hosts.deny or /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 11:46.52 | strk | abrotman: I cannot reach the host! |
| 11:47.57 | abrotman | you hvae no other way in |
| 11:48.30 | strk | I have a password, but ssh client doesn't prompt me for one, do you know how to force it to prompt me? |
| 11:49.25 | abrotman | you don't have a remote console/ |
| 11:49.26 | abrotman | ? |
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| 11:49.43 | strk | I'm looking for it now |
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| 11:49.55 | strk | not that friendly :( |
| 11:50.07 | at0m | strk: hmm.. ssh keeps connection open even when sshd gets upgraded/reloaded. my practice is to then try another ssh connection. not unless that other connection works, i close the first. this doesn't help you now, but it might in the future. |
| 11:50.23 | at0m | if the new connection fails, i can fix the sshd from the old |
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| 11:55.22 | strk | booting in rescue mode |
| 11:55.40 | strk | at0m: unfortunately my previous connection was interrupted (I think a tcp timeout) |
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| 11:56.38 | at0m | :/ |
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| 11:58.16 | strk | at0m: anyway, can you think of any reason why ssh would start doing that ? |
| 11:58.19 | strk | on upgrade |
| 11:58.24 | strk | (no dist-upgrade!) |
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| 12:08.54 | strk | systemd[1]: Failed to reset devices.list on /system.slice/systemd-remount-fs.service: No such file or directory |
| 12:08.57 | strk | from logs of the machine |
| 12:09.00 | strk | many such errors |
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| 12:09.42 | strk | are logs in UTC ? |
| 12:09.43 | strk | May 19 12:19:34 |
| 12:10.04 | strk | the above is timestamp in /var/log/daemon.log -- how to tell if there's a timezone ? |
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| 12:11.17 | strk | ok, ENOMEM |
| 12:11.21 | strk | sounds to be the issue |
| 12:13.22 | abrotman | strk: did you look in the files I asked about? |
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| 12:15.58 | strk | abrotman: uphm, no (given the ENOMEM issue I foundin syslog) |
| 12:16.16 | strk | a normal reboot fixed it |
| 12:16.44 | strk | now to find out what did that |
| 12:16.49 | strk | not easy to tell |
| 12:17.56 | at0m | strk: /var/log/auth.log if the sshd refused the connections. if it was running at all, ofc |
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| 12:18.51 | strk | I'm afraid it wasn't able to run due to lack of RAM |
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| 12:19.20 | strk | here: May 19 13:47:52 hst sshd[601]: error: fork: Cannot allocate memory |
| 12:19.44 | at0m | strk: oh. and maybe a whole bunch of services along with it |
| 12:19.50 | strk | any idea where to find info about which process could have been using all that RAM ? |
| 12:19.57 | strk | yes, whole bunch |
| 12:20.19 | strk | - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATT |
| 12:20.19 | strk | EMPT! |
| 12:20.23 | strk | at May 19 12:15:02 |
| 12:21.55 | strk | at May 19 12:20:02 the out-of-memory started to occur |
| 12:22.05 | strk | but the IP could have actually been mine |
| 12:22.15 | strk | or of someone being on my own subnet and having my private ssh key :/ |
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| 12:25.06 | strk | now this is "funny": Unison failed: Uncaught exception Out of memory |
| 12:25.13 | strk | this time the server side seems ok with RAM |
| 12:25.24 | strk | KiB Mem: 2016928 total, 812704 used, 1204224 free, 49572 buffers |
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| 12:26.41 | strk | on the server: apt-get install unison |
| 12:26.45 | strk | unison is already the newest version. |
| 12:26.47 | strk | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 175 not upgraded. |
| 12:26.52 | strk | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] |
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| 12:26.58 | strk | what's the point of asking if there's nothing to do ? |
| 12:28.29 | melpy | !spam |
| 12:28.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt . See also <greylisting>, <spf>, <list spam>. |
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| 12:34.41 | strk | PHP Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 4718592) |
| 12:34.50 | strk | top doesn't show there being a problem of RAM |
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| 12:38.31 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.31 | strk | Mem: 1.9G 1.0G 967M 97M 52M 569M |
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| 12:54.06 | hans_ | is there a live version of "unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware" ? (any desktop env, i don't care) |
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| 12:55.48 | hans_ | nvm i think i found it - https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.9.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.9.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.iso |
| 12:56.40 | strk | what's /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1 ? ideas / |
| 12:56.56 | hans_ | idk but have you asked file? |
| 12:56.56 | strk | called by /usr/lib/sysstat/debian-sa1 |
| 12:57.04 | strk | they are both shell scripts |
| 12:57.11 | hans_ | pastebinit |
| 12:57.15 | strk | just wondering if you know them because they are unfamiliar to me (run by cron) |
| 12:57.46 | strk | they end up calling /usr/lib/sysstat/sadc |
| 12:58.00 | strk | which is an ELF 64-bit LSB executable |
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| 12:58.17 | strk | supposedly part of sysstat package |
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| 13:33.10 | strk | it is unison -server taking all that memory up! |
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| 13:33.36 | strk | 10% and growing |
| 13:33.54 | strk | do you have an alternative suggestion to keep directories synchronized across servers ? |
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| 13:36.23 | strk | 12.4% RAM and 41% CPU ! |
| 13:36.31 | dvs | ouch |
| 13:36.55 | strk | unison has never been so much stable actually, I should really switch to an alternative way to synchronize mail |
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| 13:39.57 | dvs | strk, I'm surprised that synchronizing mailboxes is not a function of the mail server program. |
| 13:40.19 | themill | it's an odd use for unison |
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| 13:44.34 | rant | yeah, I'd think for something like syncing mail you'd use a mail program or just write a simple script |
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| 13:46.05 | rant | ,file sysstat/debian-sa1 |
| 13:46.10 | judd | Search for sysstat/debian-sa1 in stretch/amd64: sysstat: usr/lib/sysstat/debian-sa1 |
| 13:46.46 | strk | 15.4% RAM usage |
| 13:46.52 | strk | yes, it's an odd use for unison |
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| 13:47.17 | strk | I've heard "offlineimap" could be better suited |
| 13:47.22 | strk | but I don't have a much experience with imap servers to set one up |
| 13:47.41 | strk | my approach is: POP mail, filter it, organize in Maildir, then synchonize Maildir across devices |
| 13:48.34 | rant | yes well imap was designed to address many issues with pop, you'd probably do yourself a favor to learn about it |
| 13:49.08 | rant | personally I hate email and do all I can to avoid using it |
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| 13:51.37 | noodlepie | I'm building me a 4.9.168 kernel on this 'ere communal debian PC |
| 13:51.40 | rant | strk: https://linux.die.net/man/8/sa1 |
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| 13:52.39 | rant | noodlepie: idk if you are looking for a "congratulations", a "sorry to hear that" or a "why?" |
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| 13:58.04 | strk | hating email has had the result of people using more and more proprietary services to communicate |
| 13:58.32 | strk | anyway, unison completed, now I've started it again to check it doesn't kill the server anymore |
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| 14:02.13 | uio | Hi, could someone please unmute me in #debian-offtopic? It's been a while. |
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| 14:03.49 | themill | unlikely |
| 14:04.45 | dvs | sure.... on |
| 14:04.48 | dvs | nno |
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| 14:08.43 | uio | apologises for using wrong channel, but can't access #offtopic for the moment. |
| 14:08.46 | uio | Dear #debian-offtopic. Sorry for having bothered you today, especially themill, rant, abrotman, EdePopede, Butt3rfly. I was frustrated by the channel rule: no support, but now I do understand that this is the channel rule and the channel culture. For consistency, may I suggest either changing the rules regarding language/wholesome content, or following the rule? Anyway, I hope you all have a good day, and hope to see you again soon here or in |
| 14:08.47 | uio | #Debian. Or maybe #Microsoft :P |
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| 14:17.59 | hans_ | so no support in #debian-offtopic ? |
| 14:18.35 | themill | Indeed, our social channel is not there to support derivatives. |
| 14:18.49 | hans_ | derivatives? |
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| 14:19.45 | hans_ | stuff like Ubuntu & co? |
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| 14:26.39 | rant | hans_: these days seems more often we get people in here using kali, mx, or raspbian.. but you get the idea |
| 14:27.27 | RoyK | themill: what did uio do, really? |
| 14:29.18 | themill | Wandering from channel to channel to pick arguments isn't a good use of anyone's time. |
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| 14:49.46 | laptop | hello has anyone used protonvpn |
| 14:50.58 | EdePopede | the developers i hope |
| 14:51.30 | ksk | never heard of mx until now. their homepage is a really nice picture of 2.0 meeting 1990 regarding the style :D |
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| 14:52.45 | ksk | laptop: as long as you dont have specific question about a vpn client supported by debian (== available via official debian repos), you have come to the wrong place. |
| 14:53.13 | laptop | what vpn client is supported by debian |
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| 14:53.29 | ksk | !smart questions |
| 14:53.29 | dpkg | Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>. |
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| 15:47.59 | annadane | can i resize my partition via the debian installer usb stick i have or is a live image a better idea? |
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| 15:49.23 | ksk | didnt the debian installer contain a live system? not sure.. |
| 15:49.44 | annadane | it... has a rescue mode |
| 15:49.49 | annadane | so maybe? |
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| 15:53.12 | annadane | virtual machine ahoy! |
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| 15:54.48 | annadane | (i need to stop deleting my images of distros, these downloads take forever sometimes) |
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| 15:55.04 | denahv | true |
| 15:55.17 | denahv | backup is always nice :) |
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| 15:59.06 | xparanoik | i used to keep several gigabytes worth of images, but deleted it over the years. haven't had issues with download speeds, but it really depends on the mirror |
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| 16:12.18 | phazon | ross`: please share the output of 'lspci -vnn' so we can see what the device is; if it's usb: 'lsusb -v' |
| 16:14.25 | phazon | !tell ross` -about paste |
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| 16:16.09 | ross` | http://paste.debian.net/1082158/ |
| 16:16.31 | ross` | I have an Avermedia gamer ultra, which theoretically works with linux and I've seen youtube videos of it working on Ubuntu I think out of the box. |
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| 16:16.56 | ross` | OBS detects the capture card, even with the correct name, but does not actually output the video. |
| 16:17.06 | ross` | It works on windows |
| 16:18.42 | ross` | The lsusb output is 1103 lines long just for the device with a bunch of video streaming interface descriptors |
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| 16:20.06 | phazon | the provided info should be fine |
| 16:20.54 | ross` | I think I have either a kernel problem, a driver problem, or a firmware problem. |
| 16:21.19 | ross` | Based on how extensive that output is, I think it's interfacing with the device correctly on maybe 2/3 of those things, and I'm just missing one piece of the puzzle |
| 16:22.26 | karlpinc` | ross`: What version of debian? If stable, it wouldn't hurt to try a newer kernel from backports. |
| 16:22.41 | ross` | 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 16:22.48 | ross` | I think that is the backports kernel |
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| 16:23.33 | ross` | http://paste.debian.net/1082159/ |
| 16:23.44 | ross` | uvcdynctrl shows the device |
| 16:25.34 | ross` | in obs if I turn the camera connected to the capture card off it says no input |
| 16:25.46 | ross` | and if I turn it on it says connecting... with a static usb wheel |
| 16:25.47 | phazon | idk if we have kernel modules for this; most of what I see is for dvb tuners and not so much v4l devices |
| 16:26.21 | ross` | Could you help me get the necessary non-free stuff from Ubuntu? |
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| 16:27.34 | phazon | most of their non-free (and contrib) repo is from debian anyway |
| 16:28.08 | ross` | Hmmm, ok. People on youtube who have this card working on linux have it working on Ubuntu, I think with default settings. |
| 16:28.28 | ross` | The company also says the device works on linux, but they don't specify under what kernel/drivers/firmware |
| 16:32.59 | karlpinc | ross`: How does it work? It does some sort of hdmi pass-through (?) and does what with the usb port? |
| 16:33.18 | ross` | hdmi pass-through and captures with usb |
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| 16:33.50 | phazon | try to install 'v4l2ucp' and see if it can recognize the device |
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| 16:34.14 | phazon | it is a gui for configuring /some/ v4l devices |
| 16:34.44 | ross` | Cool, it finds my card and says it is using uvcvideo |
| 16:34.54 | ross` | I need it to use V4L2 right? |
| 16:35.02 | karlpinc | ross`: So it un-hdmi's, then re-hdmi's to pass-through, right? What is the "capture" that happens on the usb port? What does the usb endpoint look like and how do you access the data? (Sorry to be less than helpful. I'm mostly curious and trying to understand the problem.) |
| 16:35.19 | ross` | karlpinc: I think it outputs to /dev/video0 |
| 16:35.48 | ross` | I think it bi-channels. I don't think it re-hdmi's for pass-through, but I could be wrong. |
| 16:36.43 | phazon | if it is uvc-compliant then check 'lsmod' to see if the uvcvideo module is loaded |
| 16:37.38 | karlpinc | ross`: I'm going to have to RTFM. I don't even know what bi-channel is. (I always thought that the HDMI signal was encrypted, so you'd have to un-hdmi to get the data.) |
| 16:37.48 | ross` | phazon: That's not a technical term |
| 16:37.50 | ross` | I just came up with that |
| 16:38.08 | ross` | I think it just does raw pass-through though |
| 16:38.16 | phazon | ross`: uvc is a thing though |
| 16:38.18 | ross` | I don't think it processes the hdmi signal at all |
| 16:38.40 | ross` | http://paste.debian.net/1082162/ |
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| 16:44.04 | ross` | While it registers the device, the preview tool does not work |
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| 16:49.38 | phazon | i found 'guvcview' which is a bit newer and more polished than 'v4l2ucp'; seems to have builtin video capture which might help a bit with testing |
| 16:50.35 | phazon | modules are loaded and software seems to be able to see and interact with the avermedia thing; is maybe just an effort to select the proper input/output some how |
| 16:50.45 | ross` | http://paste.debian.net/1082164/ |
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| 16:53.15 | ross` | It registers in that tool as well, but the capture doesn't actually work |
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| 16:54.27 | ross` | It says: Could not start a video stream in the device. You seem to have video devices installed. Do you want to try one? Then it has a drop down with the same name Live Gamer Ultra-Video listed twice, and I tried both of them. |
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| 17:02.26 | santost12 | how do I remove this line "Linux node2 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2 (2019-05-13) x86_64" whenever I login with SSH? I was able to edit the motd but not the first line. |
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| 17:04.02 | phazon | ross`: can you read straight from /dev/video0 ? could test with ffmpeg: 'ffplay -f video4linux2 -framerate 35 -video_size hd720 /dev/video0' |
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| 17:04.31 | woenx | Hey. quick question. Is it possible to set different permissions for subfolders in a Samba share? |
| 17:04.54 | woenx | ideally: is it possible to replicate the folder and file permissions of the server? |
| 17:05.24 | woenx | In a mount, I want two subfolders to have 770 permissions, while others just 750 |
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| 17:06.32 | met | santost12, it's in /etc/update-motd.d/ |
| 17:06.41 | santost12 | met: thanks |
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| 17:08.39 | met | https://wiki.debian.org/motd |
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| 17:12.22 | ross` | /dev/video0: Device or resource busy |
| 17:15.06 | phazon | close all the other stuff that is trying to read it. also: video0 is the only videoXX device? |
| 17:15.18 | ross` | I restarted my computer thinking that |
| 17:15.20 | ross` | [video4linux2,v4l2 @ 0x7f7c58000b80] ioctl(VIDIOC_STREAMON): No such file or directory |
| 17:15.23 | ross` | /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| 17:15.24 | ross` | Now it says that |
| 17:15.26 | ross` | but it does exist |
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| 17:15.49 | ross` | video1 does not work at all |
| 17:15.50 | ross` | [video4linux2,v4l2 @ 0x7f3fcc000b80] ioctl(VIDIOC_G_INPUT): Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 17:15.53 | ross` | /dev/video1: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 17:16.48 | ross` | guvcview shows a glitched preview window this time |
| 17:16.51 | ross` | and thinks it's capturing |
| 17:16.56 | ross` | It wasn't doing that before |
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| 17:17.04 | ShalokShalom2 | can somebody explain me this? |
| 17:17.06 | ShalokShalom2 | https://funkyimg.com/i/2U3eb.png |
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| 17:18.31 | phazon | ross`: one of the videoXX could be a webcam |
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| 17:19.14 | ross` | I got it to capture video saying no signal hehe |
| 17:19.25 | ross` | Oh wait, my camera was off this time >< |
| 17:19.26 | ross` | It was on before |
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| 17:20.26 | ross` | The preview shows the same thing of connecting and usb' |
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| 17:20.54 | ross` | let me reboot again now that my camera ison |
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| 17:26.33 | ross` | phazon: ffplay isn't crashing now. It's running |
| 17:26.50 | ross` | It always says this though: nan : 0.000 fd= 0 aq= 0KB vq= 0KB sq= 0B f=0/0 |
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| 17:29.14 | ross` | I can run this command and it also doesn't crash: vlc v4l:// :v4l-vdev="/dev/video0" |
| 17:29.17 | ross` | But it doesn't show anything eitehr |
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| 17:31.51 | ross` | Yeah, All I am getting it to say is connect.. usb. |
| 17:31.57 | ross` | I don't think this is a driver issue directly. |
| 17:32.00 | phazon | i think video0 is the one most likely to be the webcam due to the bus it's on and how things initialize |
| 17:32.10 | ross` | It's like linux isn't telling the camera to start or something |
| 17:32.28 | ross` | I thikn my capture card is working |
| 17:32.46 | ross` | I think that's what the connecting preview I got in guvcview and obs means |
| 17:33.12 | phazon | guvcview previewed the card? |
| 17:33.27 | ross` | Only a connecting screen |
| 17:33.30 | ross` | not actual video |
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| 17:35.53 | ross` | I am.. so stupid |
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| 17:37.34 | bora | ross; Why ? |
| 17:37.49 | ross` | It works, thanks. |
| 17:37.52 | ross` | >< |
| 17:38.00 | annadane | noooo! tell us what the answer was. >:( |
| 17:38.01 | phazon | ross`: how did you make it work? |
| 17:38.06 | bora | ok what happened |
| 17:38.10 | ross` | I really appreciate your help / time with this. That was alot of effort you put in. |
| 17:38.23 | ross` | So, I had the usb cable plugged in as well (which only works on windwos) for remote control |
| 17:38.33 | ross` | And I just looked at the back of the camera, and it indeed showed connecting usb |
| 17:38.37 | ross` | so it was capturing that correctly lol |
| 17:38.46 | ross` | when I unplugged the usb control it started working fine |
| 17:38.53 | ross` | I really should have checked the back of the camera during this process. |
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| 17:56.24 | Caterpillar | What is the path of systemd unit files? I am helping a person but I use another distro |
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| 17:57.36 | apollo13 | the same as in $another distro |
| 17:59.47 | Caterpillar | apollo13: are you sure? https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=12946&postid=91552 |
| 18:00.08 | apollo13 | yes |
| 18:00.18 | apollo13 | and even if not, locate and find are your friends |
| 18:00.24 | apollo13 | as well as the systemd docs :þ |
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| 18:08.28 | phazon | Caterpillar: we don't offer support for linux mint here |
| 18:09.34 | phazon | even if it's "asking for a friend" |
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| 18:15.10 | annadane | friends don't let friends use mint! |
| 18:15.12 | annadane | :P |
| 18:16.13 | jelly | coworker used it until a short while ago, it wasn't _that_ bad if you ignore the nonexistent security patches |
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| 18:18.15 | jelly | Caterpillar: path for default, distro provided ones seems to be /lib/systemd/system, path for custom ones should be /etc/systemd/system; customizing an existing one is doen best using snippets in /etc/systemd/system/service-or-unit.name.d/ |
| 18:18.51 | jelly | Caterpillar: which debian release are you talking about and which service or unit? |
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| 18:20.15 | McErroneous | Hi, is there a "xwmconfig"-equivalent (Slackware) in Debian ... |
| 18:20.34 | jelly | McErroneous: what does it do? |
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| 18:21.20 | McErroneous | jelly: It lets you choose the default "Desktop Environment" to use... |
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| 18:23.06 | McErroneous | want to set default "Desktop Environment" in Bash... |
| 18:23.35 | McErroneous | a command-line would be fine too |
| 18:23.52 | jelly | McErroneous: when you have multiple DEs installed you can choose which "session" to start on the login screen. There's "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" but I'm not sure where, if anywhere, it gets used. |
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| 18:24.46 | McErroneous | Debian is so hard to understand... , all this "update-alternatives" and "dpkg-reconfigure"... |
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| 18:24.57 | McErroneous | i cant get used to it.. |
| 18:25.05 | McErroneous | its so complicated.. |
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| 18:25.32 | phazon | McErroneous: took me a while to get used to the complexity moving from slackware to debian as well |
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| 18:25.56 | McErroneous | phazon: Why did you switch to debian ? |
| 18:26.08 | phazon | not having to maintain what was basically a custom slackware distro all the time |
| 18:27.26 | McErroneous | I would be so happy to buy a Slackware-Documentation, but it hard to find..., Debian Documentation is easy to buy..., but well... , it tends to be partial... |
| 18:29.04 | McErroneous | I dislike the Multi-Disto Documentation..., i cant concentrate on the Distro i am trying to learn... |
| 18:29.27 | McErroneous | and i am getting confused... all the time.. |
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| 18:32.14 | EdePopede | only the whole package system would fill a book |
| 18:32.30 | McErroneous | Bought some Multi-Distro Documentation... , but i cant even take a look at it.., its so painful, opening a book and having to distinguish , which command is for which Distro..., thats BS... |
| 18:32.51 | EdePopede | most of documentation is crap, no difference for what it is |
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| 18:34.31 | EdePopede | btw, i started with a non-distro specific book, but that one took the n00b by the hand, had some manpagas in the appendix (not that bad if the alternative are the docs on a 80x25 screen) and was well-written. and also explaining why things are as they are |
| 18:35.56 | McErroneous | Yes.., the commonly available documentation tends to be superficial..., even the expensive books . I needs to be a collection of books, that one could buy ..., but then after 2 years.., you have to learn something new, while never finishing the old stuff.... |
| 18:36.54 | EdePopede | expensive isn't a sign of quality. usually you pay the name of the author or the book company or the hardcover. |
| 18:37.19 | McErroneous | that is all somewhat crapy, in Ubuntuusers.de forum one is not even allowed to talk about out-dated releases..., no such option.... |
| 18:38.00 | EdePopede | i grabbed some of Schaum's Outlines during that time, also some math stuff. 30DM only, cheaper than the normal sized computer books i held in my hands. |
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| 18:38.44 | EdePopede | ubuntu... those people who force you to make an account when you want to see the raw text on their pastebin? |
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| 18:39.41 | McErroneous | Lol..., they like to use force...., update and upgrade , by force.., or no posting in the forums... |
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| 18:40.12 | EdePopede | McErroneous: modules could fix that problem, but then you get problems with printing. unless you keep them small and do rolling releases for book sets. |
| 18:40.14 | jelly | McErroneous: you might have to get experienced with more than one distro to start recognizing which parts are common and come from upstream, which are distro specific |
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| 18:44.04 | EdePopede | jelly: true. but mixing up distro specific stuff (often contradictory) throughout the book is contraproductive. that should be part of the intro scenery where the big picture is shown. or expect users asking how to install yast on debian. |
| 18:45.22 | McErroneous | jelly, i am sorry i am not that kind of a student, i need a distro-specific documentation and a forum to post on e.t. a community.., even if the release not on-par.. , with the rest of the world... |
| 18:45.22 | EdePopede | what is a deb package? a specially designed ar archive. like rpm was a compressed cpio archive at least in the past. |
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| 18:46.42 | apollo13 | still is |
| 18:47.30 | EdePopede | the problem with package managing on debian is that there are so many different tools. and they come from different times (gotta check out what i used in hamm). and often different options for similar tasks. can be REALLY confusing. |
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| 18:48.07 | McErroneous | thinks that all Linux-Distros are made in such a manner that "I", yes me, can not advance in learning... . |
| 18:48.16 | EdePopede | apollo13: thanks, good to here. i had the impression they use some proprietary stuff now (or redhat as RPM's mum, no idea) |
| 18:48.29 | EdePopede | McErroneous: you're wrong. |
| 18:49.11 | McErroneous | wants to cry.. |
| 18:49.12 | EdePopede | get the basic concepts. build up a minimal system to play. should be possible in a vm nowadays. |
| 18:49.12 | apollo13 | EdePopede: why would they, redhat is pretty good in opensourcing stuff, I don't know of any redhat offering that is closed source when it comes to rhel |
| 18:50.08 | EdePopede | apollo13: not closed, but something they (don't remember if it was about suse or rpm, but about the packages) did on their own. like mozilla's own brand of lz4. |
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| 18:51.05 | apollo13 | EdePopede: it's not like debian isn't patching the shit out of packaging to the extend that it breaks stuff :þ |
| 18:51.05 | EdePopede | McErroneous: from experience i can tell you that understanding gnuish stuff is easier than windows. wanna start yelling only if i think of their translations for things. |
| 18:52.27 | EdePopede | apollo13: heh right. sometimes i like it, sometimes i don't get it why they would. but on this level (keeping simple files and working with unix'ish ideas) it is rather clean. |
| 18:53.07 | EdePopede | like the alternatives or apache's (dis|en)able scripts. |
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| 18:53.15 | apollo13 | EdePopede: *shrug* I do not see much of a diff between debian or rhel in that regard. arch is doing a little bit better |
| 18:53.23 | apollo13 | as they ship vanilla stuff |
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| 18:53.36 | apollo13 | EdePopede: a2enable is a tool from hell |
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| 18:54.25 | EdePopede | suse maybe has some yast module for the task ;) |
| 18:54.51 | apollo13 | hehe yeah. I guess what annoys me most about debian is that it starts services after installtion |
| 18:55.03 | EdePopede | that's btw one of the things i don't get. why can you only install one of the apache erm... rt modules or what they call them? |
| 18:55.18 | apollo13 | mpm? |
| 18:55.21 | EdePopede | yep |
| 18:55.37 | EdePopede | the binaries are in the base package and the mpm package only switches. |
| 18:55.42 | apollo13 | I guess because technically you can only run one at the time⦠|
| 18:55.54 | EdePopede | in two different instances? |
| 18:55.55 | apollo13 | that is as long as you don't start multiple apache instances |
| 18:55.57 | apollo13 | nono |
| 18:56.08 | apollo13 | but multiple instance and debian ⦠XD |
| 18:56.25 | apollo13 | to be fair multi instances are a problem for most distros |
| 18:56.31 | apollo13 | although it is easier with systemd |
| 18:56.34 | EdePopede | that's the point, when i played with apache i wanted to look for the other ones too |
| 18:58.32 | EdePopede | apollo13: i used my own config then and built it up from scratch. anyway the method i prefer. |
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| 18:59.18 | EdePopede | and i've learnt recently that metas can be a PITA. install a desktop and try to get rid of one of the packages. |
| 18:59.47 | apollo13 | I don't see the problem, it removes the meta but that is to be expected⦠|
| 19:00.43 | EdePopede | and systemd... have only webfs atm and couldn't get it restarted. systemd thinks there's something running on the port or whatever. started it it then manually with a handcrafted config. |
| 19:01.29 | EdePopede | apollo13: the meta. and everything in it including dependencies. a user wanted to uninstall orage recently. simulated it, even xorg joined the list. |
| 19:01.58 | apollo13 | EdePopede: only if those got auto-installed as dependency in the first place |
| 19:02.24 | apollo13 | and there is usually a minimal meta that will make sure that not much gets lost (if at all) |
| 19:03.19 | EdePopede | apt-get -s remove orage â https://termbin.com/zb7g |
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| 19:04.03 | EdePopede | minimal meta. found a post then which showed 3 solutions to the problem, one being installing another meta. |
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| 19:04.33 | apollo13 | I am not sure what you are complaining about |
| 19:04.39 | apollo13 | that is how dependencies are expected to work |
| 19:04.42 | EdePopede | and there are *a lot* of metas, but then there also are 40+k packages |
| 19:05.07 | apollo13 | packages marked as auto installed can get removed if you remove the dependent packages |
| 19:05.12 | EdePopede | so if i uninstall a clock my whole X disappears? |
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| 19:05.41 | apollo13 | if the meta depends on the clock and X only got in as dependency of the meta, then yes |
| 19:06.08 | EdePopede | seems to be the xfce package |
| 19:06.31 | OerHeks | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 73 not upgraded. .. awesome, but you finally get rid of xfce4 and orage |
| 19:06.43 | EdePopede | A depends on B. i should be able to uninstall A and keep B. |
| 19:07.03 | apollo13 | EdePopede: you do |
| 19:07.06 | EdePopede | OerHeks: gotta like that lil -s switch xD |
| 19:07.19 | apollo13 | as long as B was not auto installed and as such is just a light dependncy |
| 19:07.35 | McErroneous | On ebay.de i came across a documentation for CentOS, but unfortunatley it was written in japanese..., and i am not able to read japanese... |
| 19:07.52 | apollo13 | EdePopede: also your assumption is wrong, it only removes "orage task-xfce-desktop xfce4" |
| 19:07.56 | apollo13 | not xserver etc⦠|
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| 19:08.10 | apollo13 | the rest will only be removed if you manually run autoremove |
| 19:08.12 | EdePopede | last line of the list: xfdesktop4-data xfwm4 xinit xorg xsane xsane-common |
| 19:08.29 | apollo13 | read the lines below that too |
| 19:08.34 | EdePopede | oh |
| 19:08.35 | apollo13 | "Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them." |
| 19:08.42 | apollo13 | those will _not_ be removed |
| 19:08.44 | EdePopede | > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 19:08.46 | apollo13 | only orage task-xfce-desktop xfce4 |
| 19:08.47 | EdePopede | bad text |
| 19:08.51 | apollo13 | no it is not |
| 19:08.55 | EdePopede | sounds like "away with it" |
| 19:08.58 | apollo13 | no |
| 19:09.25 | apollo13 | well maybe, but joke is on you if you do not read the whole text |
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| 19:09.46 | EdePopede | if those packages don't get touched, they shouldn't appear on the list. or it should say "but will not be removed unless..." or similar |
| 19:09.55 | apollo13 | EdePopede: it does |
| 19:10.01 | apollo13 | "Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them." |
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| 19:10.02 | EdePopede | well, it is a text desert |
| 19:10.07 | apollo13 | which implies they will not be removed |
| 19:10.11 | apollo13 | lol |
| 19:10.22 | EdePopede | no formatting, and just 2 characters for indent |
| 19:10.22 | humpled | people have the strangest problems |
| 19:10.32 | apollo13 | complain what you want, but for instance if you install task-desktop xorg will no longer be in that list |
| 19:10.58 | apollo13 | EdePopede: now you are looking for an excuse as an excuse that you are not reading the text |
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| 19:11.20 | EdePopede | assume what you want |
| 19:11.37 | EdePopede | if it is clear TO YOU, doesn't mean that it is clear for EVERYONE, right? |
| 19:11.55 | EdePopede | you could try to leave your bubble at least for a moment |
| 19:11.58 | apollo13 | I agree with you there, but to quote you from before: <EdePopede> get the basic concepts. build up a minimal system to play. should be possible in a vm nowadays. |
| 19:12.03 | humpled | you would get more formatting in aptitude or synaptic if that helps |
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| 19:13.27 | EdePopede | used aptitude in the past, but the only thing where it is really helpful is to have multiple infos open. but then the one i wanted to used most was crashing it. so i stopped using it. |
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| 19:14.28 | EdePopede | and synaptic gave me some problems with the database. don't ask, happened some years ago. but i had to reinstall manually some packages, all i remember. |
| 19:15.01 | apollo13 | lol |
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| 19:16.30 | EdePopede | if that's all you can you'd better stay off support channels. there are better ways to make you feel better than trolling other users. |
| 19:17.02 | apollo13 | someone is in a bad mood ;) |
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| 19:18.50 | EdePopede | someone knowing about people feeling superior and behaving according to how they see themselves. |
| 19:20.51 | humpled | so if orage was pinned to -1, then the desktop task could be reinstalled before anything gets accidentally removed |
| 19:20.59 | humpled | would that be the apt way? |
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| 19:40.55 | mason | Apologies for this being in the nature of a poll, but I need to set up a direct equivalent to FreeBSD jails, and while I know I can pull in the LXD snap, I'm wondering if there are other good system container things I should look at... Vanilla Debian base, so not Proxmox or OpenVZ, unless OpenVZ has gotten to where it'll be okay on a vanilla Debian kernel. |
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| 19:47.56 | jmcnaught | mason: have you tried systemd-nspawn and machinectl? They're in the systemd-container package. |
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| 19:48.51 | mason | jmcnaught: I haven't. I'll add it to my list to explore. |
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| 19:49.30 | mason | Thank you. |
| 19:50.34 | jmcnaught | mason: it integrates nicely with journalctl and systemctl which both have -M options to specify a container |
| 19:51.20 | mason | Integrating nicely with journalctl might not count as a feature. :P But being able to reach in to start services with systemctl might. |
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| 19:57.37 | humpled | alternative solution to the orage question: https://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
| 19:58.09 | humpled | âI do this for Xfce, only using the graphical (curses) interface. I like to see what my changes will be and confirm, which is not possible with the command line you gave. Itâs nearly as fast, since I can mark xfce4 for removal with one keystroke and then select all dependencies for install (which effectively means they will be marked as manually installed) with another keystroke.â |
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| 20:16.02 | EdePopede | curses tools really have their advantages. didn't think of "unmarkauto" for a long time now. |
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| 21:03.58 | GenTooMan | question I want to reinstall debian but the most complicated issue is installing the USB network device driver it registers as a asix device suggestions? |
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| 21:14.21 | SZO | GenTooMan: When you install debian your wifi usb card is not detected propperly? |
| 21:14.34 | SZO | In the installation process? |
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| 21:15.57 | rant | !firware installer |
| 21:16.22 | abrotman | dpkg: firmware installer |
| 21:16.23 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 21:17.01 | rant | !firmware images |
| 21:17.01 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 21:17.55 | GenTooMan | SZO no it's an "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05ac:1402 Apple, Inc. Ethernet Adapter [A1277]" so it's not WIFI. It's wired however the MB internal ethernet adaptor is not functional so I use that instead. I have debian installed just need to be sure I can get the USB adaptor functioning before I start the install. |
| 21:18.32 | GenTooMan | SZO reinstall to be precise. |
| 21:19.40 | rant | GenTooMan: install virtualbox from backports, download the firmware image, boot it in virualbox with the adapter connected to virtualbox.. |
| 21:19.49 | rant | then you know if it works |
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| 21:24.24 | GenTooMan | rant The debian installation is broken at the moment due to a stalled update. The kind that is hard to fix without reinstalling everything. |
| 21:25.31 | SZO | I just need to clear this up |
| 21:25.43 | SZO | You are using an apple USB ethernet adapter? |
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| 21:30.35 | rant | GenTooMan: does the adapter work now? |
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| 21:33.59 | rant | GenTooMan: (uname -r;modinfo asix;dmesg|grep -i firmware)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 21:34.04 | rant | GenTooMan: run that as root |
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| 21:38.13 | rant | bottom line is, if you have it working now, and you are using a kernel version that is available in an installer and the firmware (if any) is present it'll work |
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| 21:49.32 | mason | jmcnaught: I don't see any docco for machinectl and friends on the wiki. Is there a relevant set of docs you like? |
| 21:50.12 | SZO | Hmmm, I am having issues with adb provided from the deb repos |
| 21:50.37 | SZO | I also tried android-tools-adb and was unnsuccesful |
| 21:51.12 | SZO | I downloaded the android-sdk and used adb from there and it worked properly |
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| 21:56.05 | GenTooMan | rant yes at the moment it does, result of said command yields nothing. |
| 21:56.50 | GenTooMan | rant I believe I just had to give the correct info to use eth1 (vs eth0) |
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| 22:01.19 | Thedarkb | Hey, I've got a Debian install with a bad filesystem, is there a way for me to run fsck without booting from another drive? |
| 22:01.31 | Thedarkb | I swear to got I've done it before, not that I can remember how. |
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| 22:04.46 | mason | Thedarkb: Maybe remount read-only first. Better to boot from something else and make sure you have back-ups before doing anything. |
| 22:05.16 | rant | GenTooMan: the command should return a URL |
| 22:06.08 | rant | Thedarkb: you go to single user mode and remount the fs read-only, if you're talking about the rootfs |
| 22:07.27 | Thedarkb | I'm in single user mode currently, rant |
| 22:07.35 | Thedarkb | What command should I use to remount read only? |
| 22:07.41 | rant | Thedarkb: mount -o remount,ro / |
| 22:07.47 | Thedarkb | Thank you sir. |
| 22:07.53 | oiaohm | Thedarkb: depends on the damaged to the file system will depend if that mount read only will work. |
| 22:08.09 | Thedarkb | The last time I did this, it mounted read only of it's own accord. |
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| 22:08.22 | Thedarkb | This drive has had issues for longer than I'd like to admit. |
| 22:08.29 | rant | yes the default fs opions tells it to remount ro on errors |
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| 22:08.56 | Thedarkb | It's busy |
| 22:09.04 | Thedarkb | Can I use -l? |
| 22:09.50 | oiaohm | Thedarkb: I would suspect if you check the drive smart that the harddrive could be requiring replacement not fixing the filesystem. |
| 22:10.12 | Thedarkb | That's what I'm doing. |
| 22:10.21 | Thedarkb | I'm going to fix the file system and then clone the drive. |
| 22:10.37 | Thedarkb | It's been having I/O errors that have been mangling things. |
| 22:10.38 | oiaohm | Thedarkb: I normally go the other way. |
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| 22:10.52 | oiaohm | Thedarkb: clone the drive then fix the file system. |
| 22:10.57 | Thedarkb | Yeah, I suppose I'll do that then. |
| 22:11.09 | Thedarkb | You normally have to do it anyway on cloned partitions for some reason. |
| 22:11.16 | rant | Thedarkb: https://www.hdsentinel.com/hard_disk_sentinel_linux.php |
| 22:11.38 | oiaohm | Thedarkb: remember if the controller is going nuts in the dieing drive attempting to repair just results in breaking the file system more. |
| 22:12.10 | Thedarkb | Okay, I've done a cat /dev/sda > /dev/sdb |
| 22:12.25 | Thedarkb | I'll run fsck on that drive from the old drive when it's done. |
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| 22:12.43 | rant | @.@ |
| 22:13.16 | Thedarkb | Is that not how you all clone drives? |
| 22:13.43 | rant | no, afaik nobody does that to clone a drive |
| 22:13.54 | Thedarkb | Oh |
| 22:13.56 | Thedarkb | It works though. |
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| 22:15.03 | Thedarkb | It's no different to using dd. |
| 22:15.12 | rant | @.@ |
| 22:16.06 | Thedarkb | Ah shit, it failed with an IO error. |
| 22:16.16 | rant | heh |
| 22:16.22 | Thedarkb | It's a Hitachi drive from 2007ish. |
| 22:16.38 | Thedarkb | It's been throwing I/O errors for the past month but I haven't been in a position to get them attended to. |
| 22:16.49 | rant | you mean cat doesnt do error checking on a use for something it wasnt designed to do? who knew.. |
| 22:17.02 | Thedarkb | Wait, you aren't supposed to use cat for that? |
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| 22:17.10 | annadane | *plonk* |
| 22:17.32 | GenTooMan | rant this perhaps ? https://termbin.com/bhjk |
| 22:17.35 | rant | annadane: greycat, I didn't recognize you :P |
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| 22:19.52 | Thedarkb | I'll go again with DD. |
| 22:20.11 | rant | GenTooMan: well that shows you're using the default stretch kernel, the module claims it, and there are no mentions of firmware |
| 22:20.21 | rant | dd isn't any better in this case |
| 22:20.53 | rant | dd only gives you more flexibility on bs and count and such.. it doesnt do any error correction |
| 22:21.08 | Thedarkb | How would you go about this, rant? |
| 22:21.11 | rant | if the disk itself is failing a low-level thing isnt your best chance |
| 22:21.23 | Thedarkb | Whenever I've cloned a drive before, it's been in good condition. |
| 22:21.25 | rant | doing it above the filesystem is your best chance to get the most of the data |
| 22:21.34 | Thedarkb | I've always used either cat or dd. |
| 22:21.41 | Thedarkb | I'll have to format that other drive first then. |
| 22:21.42 | rant | i.e. a file level copy not a block level copy |
| 22:22.00 | rant | doing a block operation on a failing drive is only corrupting the fs further due to SMART |
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| 22:22.33 | rant | cause everytime it encounters a read error, its trying to correct it |
| 22:23.14 | GenTooMan | rant So the default buster should be good. |
| 22:23.23 | EdePopede | rant: lol |
| 22:23.26 | rant | GenTooMan: I'd think so |
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| 22:33.06 | ncrowl | Hi, Im trying to update a debian computer, it was untouched since 5years, "apt-get update" just returns a bunch of NO_PUBKEY. What todo?? |
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| 22:35.11 | thePiGrepper | update your repo links probably, and update && upgrade.. |
| 22:35.58 | annadane | is there a practical reason one would use a self created backport rather than compiling something from source and sticking it somewhere? |
| 22:36.44 | annadane | or vice versa? |
| 22:37.37 | annadane | the former creates a .deb, the latter doesn't, i'm trying to ascertain the differences |
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| 22:41.32 | humpled | i guess you can pin your own deb so it doesn't get replaced by an upgrade |
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| 23:13.56 | victorqueiroz | I'm having some freezes while using Linux on Ryzen 7 and I see other people also have it. Not sure if it's a problem on the processor or what but it is very annoying. Can you guys please help me? I'm using Debian Sid with Linux 5.0. The same problem happen with previous versions of Debian and kernel as well. Here is my kern.log from the last freeze: https://termbin.com/ivpj |
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| 23:16.24 | Tom-_ | a lot of bluetooth error messages |
| 23:17.08 | Tom-_ | maybe it's to do with your bluetooth device. are you intending to use bluetooth? |
| 23:18.18 | Tom-_ | victorqueiroz, what's your CPU temperature like? ever try to crash it in terminal/console mode so you can see the kernel messages as they go by? |
| 23:18.32 | victorqueiroz | Yes, I'm using a bluetooth speaker. I'm starting to think it's a OOM problem that was not printed on the kern.log. Is it possible? I don't have OOM killer. |
| 23:19.09 | cheapie | Does it still freeze with your BT radio disabled/unplugged? |
| 23:19.24 | victorqueiroz | It happened after I opened 2 VMs (Windows with 8GB of RAM and Debian Stable VM) on Virtual Box and went out to showering. I only have 16GB of RAM |
| 23:19.40 | victorqueiroz | cheapie: Yes, it has been happening for a long time. How do I set up a OOM killer on Debian? |
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| 23:20.00 | cheapie | The OOM killer should always work unless you did something to break it, I think... |
| 23:21.02 | victorqueiroz | Does it comes as a default setting? |
| 23:21.44 | Tom-_ | "only" 16 GB of RAM. anyway the OOM killer shouldn't freeze the computer, and it should be in the log. the OOM killer never kills the kernel |
| 23:27.25 | victorqueiroz | Tom-_: So you don't think the problem is missing out of RAM? |
| 23:27.47 | Tom-_ | i think it has nothing to do with RAM, yes |
| 23:28.20 | Tom-_ | if your kern.log isn't being written to (the final line is incomplete), and you are reporting system freezes, i think it has nothing to do with RAM |
| 23:28.29 | Tom-_ | possible bluetooth hardware or driver problem |
| 23:31.01 | Tom-_ | or CPU cooling problem, though nowadays i think there's automatic shutdowns and warnings for that |
| 23:31.15 | Tom-_ | victorqueiroz, i don't really know, but it's not RAM. |
| 23:31.30 | Tom-_ | victorqueiroz, what do you mean "you don't have an OOMkiller"? |
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| 23:37.33 | victorqueiroz | Tom-_: Don't I have to enable it? I thought so |
| 23:37.57 | Tom-_ | it used to be enabled automatically, unless that's changed in the last 15 years |
| 23:38.27 | Tom-_ | anyway, it's not OOM because it wouldn't freeze your system, it would just kill whatever running program, and also you would see it in the log |
| 23:39.01 | Tom-_ | i don't even know if you can turn off OOM, but it's Linux, so it probably has an option |
| 23:39.10 | EdePopede | maybe having some live sensors in sight. cpu load and temp or so |
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| 23:44.10 | victorqueiroz | EdePopede: Good idea, just added it. let's see how it goes. |
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