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| 00:38.02 | tw | huh, only 121 release critical bugs remaining for buster? must be pretty close. |
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| 00:40.06 | kanliot | i kidnapped a maintainer but nobody noticed |
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| 00:40.58 | Unit193 | tw: Pretty sure it was down to 109 earlier. :) |
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| 00:41.56 | tw | Either way, it sounds like it's time for me to start trying it on test systems. |
| 00:42.31 | kanliot | do me a favor and test non-gnome |
| 00:43.09 | kanliot | and testing is fine here |
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| 01:06.46 | Unkn-Error | hello what dose the /msg dpkg stretch from toppic? I did it and now dpkg said " strech " |
| 01:06.50 | Unkn-Error | what is that? |
| 01:07.22 | Unkn-Error | ^^*** sorry, why dpkg did said that, I mean is that helpfull in some way? |
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| 01:08.01 | Unkn-Error | oh oh. got it, I just saw right now the info from the private chat box |
| 01:08.32 | Unkn-Error | I have a question.... I am on windows now, and I wish to download some .deb packages form the official mirror |
| 01:08.47 | Unkn-Error | for example, the firefox.DEB package |
| 01:08.51 | Unkn-Error | how can I do that? |
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| 01:10.18 | jmaher | Unkn-Error: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages <-- search for it here |
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| 01:10.59 | Unkn-Error | thank you jmaher I'll dig into it |
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| 01:35.52 | _Random_ | need some hardware(Gpu) help, my display keeps crashing. I get white screen with lines on it. pc unusable when this happens, still under warrantty & it just happend again.I've ssh into the pc. I'd like to look at my logs & see what errors there are. Not sure what to look for & what commands to use |
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| 01:39.29 | _Random_ | can anyone help, please |
| 01:39.44 | Ede|Popede | _Random_, what kind of lines? |
| 01:40.28 | Ede|Popede | once i had tiny, short, green horizontal lines on the left border. was the GPU. |
| 01:41.02 | _Random_ | the screen is off white & grey blocks running vertically |
| 01:41.37 | Ede|Popede | definitely not a screensaver? |
| 01:41.50 | _Random_ | I susspect its hardware as it also occurs in windows.. |
| 01:42.02 | Ede|Popede | ah ok. so no need to check with a live |
| 01:42.10 | Ede|Popede | warranty? use it. |
| 01:42.17 | _Random_ | I've dual booted, I dont want to damage my warrantty by removing windows. |
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| 01:42.24 | ksk | _Random_: your PSU is powerful enough? Id go with warranty then. |
| 01:42.41 | ksk | ehm, you will not (in europe for sure not, not sure about the us..) |
| 01:42.42 | _Random_ | is ther a way via ssh to see what my logs are saying about the error |
| 01:42.53 | Ede|Popede | don't even try to do something. if it is a hardware problem, then turn it into their problem. |
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| 01:43.36 | _Random_ | it happens random.. I've taken it in & its not happen in front of them |
| 01:44.32 | _Random_ | thats why I'd like to see if there is anthing being highlighted in my logs.. |
| 01:44.33 | Ede|Popede | sure, `less` on log files. or.. what was it for systemd... |
| 01:44.42 | _Random_ | it' just ahppend & ive logged into the lapto with ssh |
| 01:44.51 | Ede|Popede | journalctl |
| 01:44.59 | _Random_ | yes |
| 01:45.04 | _Random_ | systemd |
| 01:45.37 | Ede|Popede | you could also keep a terminal open and tail -f kern.log or syslog in it. |
| 01:46.12 | jmcnaught | _Random_: after a freeze happens look in your /var/log/syslog. When booting starts one of the first lines is "Linux version 4.9â¦" so search for that line and look above it for what got logged during the crash |
| 01:46.36 | _Random_ | cannot open 'kern.log' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 01:46.56 | Ede|Popede | /var/log/kern.log |
| 01:47.06 | _Random_ | the system is still running, has not crashed |
| 01:47.18 | _Random_ | the display has just crashed |
| 01:47.47 | Ede|Popede | maybe tailing the log on that other machine would be an idea |
| 01:48.40 | Ede|Popede | and if you know *when* it happened, you can `less` the logfile and go to that timestamp |
| 01:48.49 | _Random_ | http://dpaste.com/3FTBXEC |
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| 01:49.44 | jmcnaught | _Random_: is this Ubuntu? |
| 01:50.18 | _Random_ | yes, ubuntyu based on debian & my remote pc is debian |
| 01:50.44 | _Random_ | btw, it's a touch screen, thats why I went with ubuntu, |
| 01:50.58 | jmcnaught | if the machine that you are troubleshooting is running Ubuntu then you should continue in #ubuntu |
| 01:51.16 | _Random_ | thanks, I appreciate your efforts ! |
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| 01:54.14 | Ede|Popede | rfkill is for wireless networking? |
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| 02:04.38 | AndroUser | I was wondering if anyone one could send an iso to my network with PXE is that possible I just need a install of mininal iso of ubuntu |
| 02:04.59 | ksk | Adran: PXE is layer2, so no ;) |
| 02:05.19 | ksk | or, parts of it are. it will not work this way. |
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| 02:05.45 | ksk | also, this is #debian, we support debian in here, not ubuntu. |
| 02:06.11 | AndroUser | ksk is there a way I could do this with Debian with my Android Device |
| 02:06.49 | AndroUser | I have Debian in terminal Android but I am lost how to set it up |
| 02:09.04 | ksk | !debootstrap |
| 02:09.04 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 02:09.17 | ksk | AndroUser: dont you have a CD or usbstick handy? |
| 02:09.22 | ksk | they come cheap.. |
| 02:09.56 | AndroUser | I do but I don't have any other devices only my Android it can't be rooted either |
| 02:10.39 | AndroUser | This is the only method I was trying to do I seen some videos on YouTube but they do not explain it to will. |
| 02:11.27 | AndroUser | I mean I have a USB Drive ThumDrive but there are no bootable devices |
| 02:11.59 | ksk | wat? |
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| 02:14.58 | m4ch1n3znc | they are not bootable because there is no partition on them with boot flag |
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| 02:35.13 | ksk | !usbinstall |
| 02:35.27 | ksk | !usb install |
| 02:35.28 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 02:35.48 | ksk | if you put the debian installer on a usb stick, it will make it bootable. |
| 02:36.38 | magic_ninja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:38.21 | ksk | magic_ninja: pssst! |
| 02:38.52 | Resilience | I am having trouble with my FF, it hangs ups, hides parts of webpages and hangouts a lot, what can be wrong? |
| 02:39.23 | ksk | Resilience: FF in debian is based on the firefox ESR version - I heard for example youtube does not work with that browser. |
| 02:40.03 | dvs | Really? I can use YouTube with FireFox ESR |
| 02:40.03 | Resilience | ksk, it happens random with random pages, maybe I have few memory for the number of pages I am browsing (a lot) |
| 02:40.08 | jmcnaught | that's false, youtube works fine in firefox-esr |
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| 02:40.41 | ksk | uh okay, sorry then. the other day I think two dudes in here stated it would not work. |
| 02:41.56 | jmcnaught | Resilience: are you using any add-ons? If you go to about:support there's a restart with add-ons disabled button |
| 02:42.46 | magic_ninja | I didn't know you used debian. |
| 02:42.51 | Resilience | jmcnaught, I will try, thanks |
| 02:43.05 | ksk | magic_ninja: only on servers and virtual machines ;) |
| 02:43.19 | ksk | windows for the daily gaming needs :X |
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| 02:44.05 | magic_ninja | Heh, I just switched over. Was working on smurf and a windows update peeved me off. Shut everything down. |
| 02:45.34 | ksk | magic_ninja: it is possible to run d2/d2bs via wine - not sure if its worth though ;) |
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| 02:46.58 | magic_ninja | more trouble than it is worth. D2hackit used to run under wine just fine, too. |
| 02:47.15 | magic_ninja | I have enough computer to run a windows 10 VM no problem. |
| 02:47.45 | magic_ninja | I need to see how the nvidia drivers do with SLI now. |
| 02:49.08 | ksk | eh, SLI is bad, even on windows ;) no games since 2005 support it anymore as far as I know. |
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| 03:03.37 | Deihmos | it was a dumb idea to begin with |
| 03:04.00 | Deihmos | those folks that bought 2 video cards had money to burn |
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| 03:10.19 | magic_ninja | Deihmos, I sure did :). It is kind of nice being able to dedicate a GPU to a VM, though. |
| 03:10.24 | magic_ninja | brb |
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| 03:19.40 | UniFreak | hi. I'm using docker to build a php7 service from official image php:7.2-fpm, it will run `apt-get update` |
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| 03:20.16 | UniFreak | and the commend keeps give me `Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?) |
| 03:20.16 | UniFreak | ` error |
| 03:20.51 | UniFreak | searched the web, still no clue to solve this |
| 03:21.11 | UniFreak | anyone have ran into this problem? what's the cause? |
| 03:23.40 | milkt | UniFreak: this is related i think https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=807049 |
| 03:23.41 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/807049 in apt (closed): «apt: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT'»; severity: important; opened: 2015-12-04; last modified: 2016-01-03. |
| 03:24.57 | milkt | try different source maybe? |
| 03:24.57 | UniFreak | yeah that's what I have found and read, it concluded as a `proxy network problem` and not a but |
| 03:25.28 | UniFreak | tried three source and got some different error, but all with the `NOSPLIT` error |
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| 03:25.49 | UniFreak | don't know whether I should turn to my company Ops |
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| 03:32.07 | laptop | Hello I have an older pos laptop amd athalonx2 2 gb ram and I want to try debian testing, I currently have debian stretch stable. Will updating to testing break the laptop. I would just replace out the repositories but I am afraid that testing would use more ram (I only have 2 gb). I notice there are a lot of good uddates. How long to migrate those changes to stable. I am still using chromium 73 and apparently they have 74 |
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| 03:51.53 | phazon | laptop: stick with stretch for the time being and update after the freeze is over. no update is perfect (i always wait for the x.1 point releases) so keep your files backed up. ram usage should be about the same. they update to stable when the freeze is over (maybe a couple months). '/msg dpkg sns' for info about abritary version numbers |
| 03:52.51 | cbilt | oh nice, didn't know about dpkg before |
| 03:53.17 | laptop | what is the freeze anyway |
| 03:53.53 | phazon | !freeze |
| 03:53.53 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>. |
| 03:54.23 | laptop | wow |
| 03:54.35 | laptop | that means I cannot update at all |
| 03:54.43 | laptop | I mean what about updating my chromium? |
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| 03:59.13 | phazon | what about it? |
| 03:59.25 | laptop | well they are on 74 and stretch is on 73 |
| 03:59.39 | laptop | same with firefox |
| 03:59.48 | laptop | 66 vs 67 (much faster) |
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| 04:03.21 | cbilt | laptop what he said is to wait until the new stable is released which is soon |
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| 04:03.33 | cbilt | then you can update |
| 04:03.33 | laptop | ok |
| 04:03.42 | phazon | Soon(TM) |
| 04:04.01 | cbilt | you could just download the firefox binaries from their website though, works perfectly fine |
| 04:05.19 | phazon | or compile it yourself. by the time firefox is done building on your "older pos laptop" buster should already be released :) |
| 04:05.39 | laptop | i did do that with firefox |
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| 04:05.58 | laptop | my computer is so slow I do not notice much difference between 1 and 2 gb lol |
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| 04:14.40 | magic_ninja | laptop, as a bit of a reference, I have a decent machine, and debian only uses about 2.5gb ram with KDE running. I'm sure it would be much less if I used a tiling window manager. |
| 04:15.01 | laptop | wow |
| 04:15.04 | laptop | I am using icewm |
| 04:15.09 | laptop | and getting by with 2 gb |
| 04:15.13 | laptop | on a 2003 laptop |
| 04:15.32 | magic_ninja | I used to use icewm back in the day. |
| 04:15.37 | magic_ninja | I would suggest lxqt now. |
| 04:15.45 | magic_ninja | It is lite and very nice. |
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| 04:16.34 | magic_ninja | Do you have an external drive? I would fire up clonezilla, image my drive so that I can restore it later, then change the resources to buster. I've been running it and it is great. |
| 04:16.40 | laptop | not as light as icem 120 mb out of the gate |
| 04:17.05 | laptop | a computer with 1 gb of ram nowadays is unusualb |
| 04:17.10 | laptop | unuseable |
| 04:17.36 | magic_ninja | You are almost better off with a rapsberry pi |
| 04:18.02 | laptop | i can still play lotro |
| 04:18.31 | magic_ninja | here, lxqt might actually be a worthwhile choice after the upgrade: https://blog.lxde.org/2016/10/04/benchmark-memory-usage-lxqt-desktop-environment-vs-xfce/ |
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| 04:19.00 | magic_ninja | Should put you right in the same zone and give you a more modern UI |
| 04:19.18 | laptop | what about trinity desktop |
| 04:19.56 | magic_ninja | dunno. I have used KDE, Gnome, Deepin, LXDE, lxqt, and tried a few others before I really settled on KDE. |
| 04:20.09 | magic_ninja | they really cleaned KDE up on this last release. |
| 04:20.29 | laptop | trinity is pretty good also though |
| 04:26.08 | _Random_ | hey guys i know i'm not in the right channel, nobodys around, at my channel.. |
| 04:26.15 | _Random_ | hope you can help.. |
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| 04:26.51 | _Random_ | I have a nvme laptop. just updted the bios via windows & the removed secure & fast boot |
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| 04:27.30 | _Random_ | at grub, the os fails ..as missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev) |
| 04:28.05 | _Random_ | i'm not able to list the disk..blkid shows nothing nor can I use cat |
| 04:28.19 | _Random_ | not in in the initramfs |
| 04:28.31 | _Random_ | very limited tools |
| 04:29.49 | phazon | _Random_: what is the other channel you tried before this one? |
| 04:30.19 | _Random_ | LOL "ubuntu" in very small writing |
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| 04:36.30 | jim | is it possible to get an installed kernel to regenerate its initrd? |
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| 04:37.44 | jim | or to get all the kernels to regen the initrd? |
| 04:38.24 | jim | !initrd |
| 04:38.24 | dpkg | [initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>. |
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| 04:52.07 | trioxane | hey guys, ive got a storage server runing debian 9.6 and glusterfs, today my boss rang and said some folders are offline (which can happen when a gluster brick and its mirror go offline at the same time), lookign at my system it looks like 4 drives have somehow got the same UUIDs and fstab has mounted them to the same mount point, 2 drives on one and 2 drives on another |
| 04:52.11 | trioxane | any ideas how i can fix this? never seen anything like this before |
| 04:52.36 | trioxane | screenshot: https://matrix.monoxane.com/_matrix/media/v1/download/monoxane.com/cphBMDRmFobsypHoYiDiVvzg |
| 04:52.51 | trioxane | i dont wanna restart right away incase it breaks things more |
| 04:52.51 | trioxane | fstab says the 2 UUIDs that've been replaced cant be found when i try to sudo mount -a |
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| 04:58.19 | lumuscode | Algum br ai |
| 05:00.43 | trioxane | its definitely only got 1 drive mounted to each mount point, if I write a large file to the mount point I get an activity spike on one and not the other |
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| 05:47.10 | Guest79355 | hello? |
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| 05:49.03 | cbilt | hi |
| 05:50.24 | Guest79355 | can i ask here an issue on the apt? |
| 05:55.30 | ayekat | yes |
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| 05:59.20 | Guest79355 | i have a problem when i do "sudo apt-get update" |
| 06:00.15 | Guest79355 | W: http://security.debian.org/dists/stretch/updates/InRelease: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key. |
| 06:00.15 | Guest79355 | W: http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-updates/InRelease: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key. |
| 06:00.16 | Guest79355 | W: http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch-proposed-updates/InRelease: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key. |
| 06:00.16 | Guest79355 | W: http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release.gpg: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key. |
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| 06:04.08 | Synaptic | hello good morning |
| 06:04.43 | Synaptic | im going to install now Debian 9 64bit, on my laptop, but unfortunately now i dont have a connection to internet in order to update it |
| 06:05.09 | Synaptic | that's why im installing it from the dvd size image... i hope is gonna have almost everything i need at the beginning |
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| 06:58.00 | weedloser | Guest79355, I'm seeing a few threads. It looks like you (obviously) messed up you apt gpg keys. |
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| 06:58.47 | weedloser | I see a few suggestions but I don't know which is the most correct. |
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| 07:48.21 | terrell | I want to ask some general questions on virtual machines. I have experiance but nothing recent. Someone might know. As far as I know there are basically 3 options: VirtualBox, VMware and Hyper-v. What I would like to do is run both windows 7 and 10 as guests under Debian Linux. But I don't even know if this is prossible |
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| 07:49.22 | terrell | I checked and the docs say I can run linux under Hyper-v but I have found windows to be broken most of the time so I don't reallyu want to do it that way |
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| 08:02.49 | ghasem | terrell: use qemu-kvm under gnu/linux, and you can use both windows 7 and 10 with high-performance in your OS. |
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| 08:06.40 | terrell | I haven't heard of this |
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| 08:09.01 | terrell | ghasem, thsi looks great. But I assume ti does not run under Debian |
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| 08:09.47 | terrell | I have machines where I can install and try it out. |
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| 08:10.54 | terrell | I see virtmanager comes from Red Hat |
| 08:12.31 | terrell | Boy I am rusty. More home work. Well I've got time to do it |
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| 08:17.45 | VicMackey | Hello! Does anybody now why the "eclipse" package is unavailable even in unstable? |
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| 08:18.12 | VicMackey | It seems that I can only download it from eclipse.org and they even don't have their own repos for that :/ |
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| 08:19.37 | VicMackey | Oooooooooooooooh it seems to be in debports |
| 08:20.16 | VicMackey | Nope |
| 08:21.35 | RoyK | ,v eclipse |
| 08:21.36 | judd | Package: eclipse on amd64 -- jessie: 3.8.1-7; stretch: 3.8.1-10 |
| 08:22.17 | VicMackey | Yep, I find it weird that there's no sid :/ |
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| 08:23.09 | terrell | ghasem, The target machines are loaded with memory and storage. My paln is first back them up so I can reinstall if necessary then re partition and install multi boot and Debian and then windows 7 adn 10. But I likely will not beed performance and if I can do it in Linux I won't even need them. Windows is there juist so I can use it if I need it. Your tip was great. Watching youtube now. |
| 08:23.11 | VicMackey | No problem, I'll download their targz'd file and work with it. Although it feels dddeeeeerty. Thanks people ;) |
| 08:23.23 | RoyK | !debian-next |
| 08:23.23 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:23.44 | VicMackey | Oooooooh sorry. Thanks RoyK! |
| 08:24.02 | RoyK | np |
| 08:24.03 | terrell | ghasem, I'lll pop out of chanel now becuse my question was answered. This looks great |
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| 08:34.20 | Myrkur | :q |
| 08:34.33 | Myrkur | sorry guys |
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| 08:42.30 | bony | I am building a debian live image with d-i enabled. the image is getting built but the problem is the d-i. when I start the d-i it says kernel mismatch. kernel version of d-i is 4.19.0-4 and the live systems kernel version is 4.19.0-5. how to update d-i kernel version and include in the live image |
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| 08:47.43 | synaptic | hello |
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| 08:50.21 | strk | I find python / ruby bindings but not the actual server |
| 08:54.13 | BCMM | strk: debian has https://packages.debian.org/stretch/docker |
| 08:54.39 | BCMM | strk: but it's kind of old, even on sid. you basically have to use docker.io's official debian repository if you want current docker |
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| 09:01.16 | synaptic | jelly: im on mint right now |
| 09:01.23 | synaptic | i did with CP now |
| 09:01.28 | synaptic | but i think i mess something |
| 09:01.29 | synaptic | https://ibb.co/LrXW7L3 |
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| 11:29.51 | BlackBishop | !wheezy |
| 11:29.52 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. Consider upgrading. |
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| 11:30.03 | BlackBishop | !sources wheezy |
| 11:30.23 | jelly | !wheezy sources.list |
| 11:30.23 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
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| 11:31.46 | jelly | if you can't upgrade there is a paid support option |
| 11:31.48 | jelly | !elts |
| 11:31.48 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ |
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| 11:46.14 | JolietJakeBlues | my friend here wants to know when debian buster will be stable. |
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| 11:47.43 | avu | some time this year probably |
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| 11:48.22 | avu | !buster pool 1 |
| 11:48.22 | dpkg | ! coruja=2019-06-25 themÃll=2019-06-15 jëlly=2019-08-01 petn-rándall=2019-07-28 |
| 11:48.32 | avu | ^- some guesses |
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| 11:49.11 | BCMM | JolietJakeBlues: debian releases on a "when it's done" basis rather than on a schedule like ubuntu |
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| 11:58.14 | karlpinc | !guess the release date |
| 11:58.14 | dpkg | Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. |
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| 12:01.18 | nifker | is there no clangd package yet? |
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| 12:06.25 | BCMM | nifker: is this what you want? https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/clang-tools-6.0 |
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| 12:09.43 | nifker | BCMM: yes thats right thanks |
| 12:10.02 | BCMM | do you already know how to install backports packages? |
| 12:10.59 | nifker | Im on buster |
| 12:12.40 | jelly | ,file bin/clangd |
| 12:12.45 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:12.57 | tw | Does the buster release pool follow price is right rules? closest without going over? |
| 12:13.04 | BCMM | nifker: ah, ok. i think that's technically a #debian-next thing? |
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| 12:14.00 | nifker | BCMM: didnt hear about debian-next yet - or does it just describe the next release? |
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| 12:14.21 | BCMM | nifker: anyway, i think you can just `apt install clang-tools` on buster |
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| 12:15.35 | BCMM | nifker: anyway, for next time: try `apt-file find clangd` |
| 12:15.45 | BCMM | (to work out which package provides a given command) |
| 12:16.04 | nifker | ahh Ill try to keep this in mind ^^ |
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| 12:34.04 | generic | how can I build a debian image for netboot? |
| 12:34.43 | generic | i.e. PXEboot |
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| 12:41.30 | petn-randall | generic: There should be instructions in the release notes. |
| 12:42.59 | generic | petn-randall: I found this one but its not specific to debian wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Diskless_nodes |
| 12:43.45 | petn-randall | Those aren't the release notes ... |
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| 12:45.09 | generic | petn-randall: just download this here ? ftp://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd/squeeze-rc/debian-edu-6.0.4+edurc3-CD.iso |
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| 12:45.20 | generic | petn-randall: might be a little big |
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| 12:48.06 | generic | petn-randall: wrong page .. www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ |
| 12:48.25 | petn-randall | Yeah, that's the one. |
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| 12:50.05 | generic | petn-randall: ok but where ? |
| 12:50.05 | petn-randall | generic: It links to here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-tftp |
| 12:50.45 | JolietJakeBlues | "* Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)" |
| 12:51.19 | jmcnaught | JolietJakeBlues: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:51.28 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 12:51.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:54.24 | generic | petn-randall: so netboot/gtk/mini.iso is the easy way to go ? |
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| 12:55.59 | nt80 | how to check which package provides a binary in bot? |
| 12:56.15 | Soo_Slow | hello. Does anybody know if there is a timeshift-like (in terms of user-friendliness) backup gui, but with completely configurable locations, FROM where to backup (said one can only backup root and /home, as far as I know)? |
| 12:56.29 | greycat | nt80: /msg judd file relative/path/to/file |
| 12:56.32 | petn-randall | generic: Whatever it says in the instructions. I've never had to use netboot. |
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| 12:56.39 | Soo_Slow | found grsync overcomplicated |
| 12:56.53 | nt80 | thank you |
| 12:57.19 | generic | petn-randall: doesnt look too bad .. if I can actually find the image on the mirror |
| 12:57.22 | greycat | judd file bin/grep |
| 12:57.26 | judd | Search for bin/grep in stretch/amd64: grep: bin/grep; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/grep |
| 12:57.51 | nt80 | yeah i wanted /sbin/reboot, it's in init found out |
| 12:58.26 | greycat | ...? |
| 12:58.35 | humpled | isn't that just a symlink? |
| 12:58.40 | nt80 | systemd-sysv: sbin/reboot |
| 12:58.55 | greycat | yeah, systemd-sysv is what I get for stretch and buster. |
| 12:59.14 | greycat | sysvinit in wheezy. not in "init" on anything I checked. |
| 12:59.17 | nt80 | i said 'init' as init subset, is it wrong saying that? |
| 12:59.30 | greycat | yes, because there's a package named init, but it's not in that package |
| 12:59.30 | nt80 | ok |
| 13:02.41 | jelly | ,file bin/reboot |
| 13:02.45 | judd | Search for bin/reboot in stretch/amd64: molly-guard: sbin/reboot; sysvinit-core: sbin/reboot; systemd-sysv: sbin/reboot; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/reboot |
| 13:03.01 | jelly | now I'm interested in molly |
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| 13:09.07 | petn-randall | molly-guard is great if you ever accidentally rebooted the wrong machine. |
| 13:09.48 | greycat | can't say that's ever been a problem for me |
| 13:10.11 | BCMM | lol, i've definitely done that |
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| 13:10.50 | Tenkawa | oh I've never done that... *cough* *cough* |
| 13:11.38 | Tenkawa | mind you honestly it has been a LONG LONG time |
| 13:11.58 | nt80 | well it may happen any time |
| 13:12.03 | Tenkawa | indeed |
| 13:13.05 | Tenkawa | I'm more afraid of my machines losing power actually |
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| 13:21.09 | petn-randall | greycat: I know A FRIEND who accidentally rebooted the wrong server. |
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| 13:21.53 | dvs | uh huh |
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| 13:35.09 | jelly | petn-randall: just once? |
| 13:36.13 | jelly | petn-randall: molly-guard would not have prevented my FRIEND, who pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del on a KVM console switched to wrong server |
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| 13:41.32 | Fox | petn-randall: if he just rebooted that's not that bad, I once halted a server that was far far away with no kvw/ilo/drac on it |
| 13:42.10 | greycat | now *that* one, I've almost done (halt when I wanted reboot), except the distance wasn't so bad |
| 13:42.30 | Fox | Malta is far away from France :) |
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| 13:43.36 | greycat | I've also done "forgot to put this account in the wheel group, so it can't su, so I can't become root on this box until I travel back to it". BSD-based systems, decades ago. |
| 13:43.44 | jelly | still, a trip to Malta is nice |
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| 13:45.23 | Fox | spent a week there, only spent a few hours out of the datacenter |
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| 13:47.29 | Tenkawa | 2 weeks in Luxemburg was nice |
| 13:48.04 | petn-randall | hehehe |
| 13:48.10 | petn-randall | I like the stories coming up now :) |
| 13:48.58 | Tenkawa | that was a datacenter and one of our regional offices.. you can't beat that trip |
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| 14:20.08 | edi | hi i got this problem |
| 14:20.13 | edi | so i rebooted my box |
| 14:20.19 | edi | no network interfaces anymore |
| 14:20.26 | edi | when I use "ip a" |
| 14:20.42 | edi | however lsmod shows kernel module |
| 14:20.53 | edi | and lspci shows the network card fine |
| 14:20.54 | greycat | Please don't press Enter in the middle of sentences. Do they show up in "ip link"? |
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| 14:22.07 | edi | greycat, no it doesn't |
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| 14:25.16 | greycat | are there any errors in dmesg that look relevant? |
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| 14:27.16 | edi | nope |
| 14:27.26 | edi | i checked dmesg and syslog |
| 14:27.51 | edi | and I only see in syslog |
| 14:28.14 | edi | that when the systems tries to raise the network interface, it doesn't find eno1 |
| 14:28.47 | greycat | which version of debian is this? |
| 14:29.22 | edi | 4.9.0-0-amd |
| 14:29.36 | edi | stable |
| 14:29.47 | edi | but maybe good to know |
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| 14:29.49 | edi | on an intel nuc |
| 14:30.07 | edi | with the intel e1000e driver that I had to grab from their site and compile myself |
| 14:30.30 | edi | i did it on a coouple of other (identical) box too , same versions and everything , and they reboot fine |
| 14:30.43 | greycat | Hrm. Wondering if a stretch-backports kernel might be better, but I'm really just trying generic stuff here, no specific knowledge of this problem. |
| 14:31.09 | Tenkawa | whats the problem? |
| 14:31.12 | Tenkawa | I |
| 14:31.32 | edi | I rebooted my box and suddenly my primary network interface isn't recognized anymore |
| 14:31.32 | Tenkawa | I'll say hi |
| 14:31.33 | greycat | After rebooting, his eno1 interface does not appear in ip link or ip addr. |
| 14:31.35 | edi | :-) |
| 14:32.06 | greycat | (sorry, I keep assuming masculine pronouns) |
| 14:32.07 | edi | maybe extra context, i had to shut my box down cause I foolishly let /home flood |
| 14:32.21 | Tenkawa | is the hardware even seen by the kernel? |
| 14:32.26 | edi | yes |
| 14:32.28 | edi | it is |
| 14:32.38 | edi | first thing I checked was lspci and modprobe |
| 14:33.11 | edi | i added an extra hdd in the box to extend home, and then booted up again |
| 14:33.19 | edi | since then the nic is lost |
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| 14:33.31 | Tenkawa | oh.... |
| 14:33.35 | edi | i took the new hdd out again tested again |
| 14:33.43 | edi | doesn't seem like the problem |
| 14:33.46 | greycat | adding a drive or filling a file system and shutting down emergency-like still shouldn't affect NICs |
| 14:33.51 | Tenkawa | no |
| 14:33.54 | edi | yeah i assumed that |
| 14:34.02 | edi | further everything works fine |
| 14:34.24 | Tenkawa | but did you change any scripts? |
| 14:34.26 | edi | i can pastebin the dmesg log if you like |
| 14:34.45 | Tenkawa | does ifconfig -a show anything? |
| 14:34.50 | edi | Tenkawa, what kind of script you're thinking of ? |
| 14:35.00 | edi | only my lo |
| 14:35.06 | edi | or the lo |
| 14:35.07 | edi | :p |
| 14:35.08 | edi | lol |
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| 14:35.51 | Tenkawa | some of those modules have to be initiated with specific variables and you mentioned you re-compiled your own copy of the source |
| 14:36.27 | OdinPrkl | hi everyone! |
| 14:36.38 | Tenkawa | and I wanted to rule out it knocking out module initialization settings |
| 14:36.47 | edi | well tbh |
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| 14:37.11 | Tenkawa | that may have persistent from udev before |
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| 14:37.30 | edi | i read something on 70-udev-persistent or smth |
| 14:37.36 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 14:37.45 | Tenkawa | those especiallt |
| 14:37.45 | edi | but I don't have such file |
| 14:37.49 | Tenkawa | er especiallt |
| 14:37.52 | edi | as fas as I can see |
| 14:38.00 | greycat | you wouldn't have that unless you upgraded from pre-stretch |
| 14:38.05 | Tenkawa | ugh i cant spell today |
| 14:38.07 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 14:38.11 | edi | and I compared to the box where it works, it also doens't have that |
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| 14:38.20 | edi | what greycat says |
| 14:38.26 | Tenkawa | i agree |
| 14:38.28 | edi | they're fresh net installs |
| 14:38.33 | edi | 2 months old |
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| 14:38.57 | edi | and I can't remember the previous reboot so :p |
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| 14:41.45 | NetTerminalGene | guys, i have brave browser repository. it is "deb [arch=amd64] https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/brave-apt stretch main" i don't want to add it to source.list. i just want to download deb file and install deb package. how can i do that? |
| 14:42.19 | edi | Tenkawa, https://pastebin.com/XhVPuKk7 |
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| 14:42.49 | greycat | NetTerminalGene: you can browser through it manually, but you're *supposed* to use apt-get/apt/etc. |
| 14:43.44 | Tenkawa | edi: looking |
| 14:43.58 | BCMM | NetTerminalGene: why don't you want to add the repo? you trust the current version, but don't necessarily trust future security updates? |
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| 14:44.05 | edi | think i got a clue |
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| 14:44.34 | edi | maybe i compiled the module for amd 4.9.0-8 |
| 14:44.42 | BCMM | NetTerminalGene: if you do download and install the .deb, you might want to check that it doesn't work like the google chrome .deb |
| 14:44.44 | NetTerminalGene | BCMM, i don't want to harm my debian's purity |
| 14:44.44 | edi | and it's now 4.9.0-9 |
| 14:44.52 | BCMM | i.e. it installs the repo automatically |
| 14:45.18 | BCMM | NetTerminalGene: please bear in mind that a browser is *the worst* bit of software to run and outdated version of |
| 14:45.23 | BCMM | ^an outdated |
| 14:45.27 | edi | I see linux-headers-4.9.0-8-amd is installed |
| 14:45.43 | NetTerminalGene | BCMM, i will install manually |
| 14:45.46 | NetTerminalGene | updates |
| 14:46.04 | BCMM | how will you know when to update? |
| 14:46.09 | greycat | edi: aha, yes, bumped kernel ABI means you have to rebuild your e1000e module for the new ABI |
| 14:46.24 | NetTerminalGene | BCMM, actually i just want to try first |
| 14:46.39 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 14:46.40 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: if you want a piece of software, the safest way to add it is to add its repo. If you dislike it later, purge and remove repo then. |
| 14:46.46 | greycat | so you would need to install linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64 and proceed from there |
| 14:46.58 | BCMM | NetTerminalGene: i'm still not sure what exactly you're worried about - are you concerned that the repo will try to replace system libraries with its own version, for example? |
| 14:47.08 | edi | already trying that :p |
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| 14:47.23 | edi | so this means I'm going to encouter this every 3 months or so |
| 14:47.24 | edi | ? |
| 14:47.31 | edi | how can I solve this better? |
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| 14:47.37 | jelly | edi: if "linux-headers-amd64" is installed, you just need to do "apt-get dist-upgrade" to get it. |
| 14:47.48 | edi | oh |
| 14:47.52 | edi | cool |
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| 14:47.56 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 14:48.00 | greycat | It only happens when the kernel ABI changes. I don't understand why security updates keep changing it. |
| 14:48.11 | jelly | our topic states you need dist-upgrade to get all the bits from 9.9 point release. |
| 14:48.16 | edi | now lets quick fix this first then I'll root it out for good |
| 14:48.25 | edi | thanks for the help ! |
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| 14:48.48 | jelly | greycat: because not changing it is lots of work |
| 14:49.06 | jelly | sometimes effectively impossible |
| 14:49.23 | Tenkawa | why did we get into software devel again? |
| 14:49.27 | edi | so I did make && make install after grabbing the right linux headers |
| 14:49.30 | edi | should do it |
| 14:49.30 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 14:49.32 | edi | ? |
| 14:49.49 | BlackBishop | thanks jelly |
| 14:49.56 | edi | hehe i don't develop i configure stuff :p |
| 14:50.13 | Tenkawa | edi: I do aota |
| 14:50.26 | Tenkawa | aota = all of the above |
| 14:50.42 | BlackBishop | !jessie sources.list |
| 14:50.43 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:50.49 | Tenkawa | develop, admin, configure, design, fix, and sometimes bream |
| 14:50.52 | Tenkawa | er break |
| 14:51.19 | edi | break i do to :p |
| 14:51.24 | edi | i need a break actually |
| 14:51.27 | Tenkawa | heehee |
| 14:51.49 | edi | oke I'm back up! |
| 14:51.52 | edi | yes |
| 14:51.59 | Tenkawa | yay!!!!! |
| 14:52.24 | edi | now I can fix the issuea that mabe me reboot in the first place lol |
| 14:57.18 | edi | quick next question, how to change an old disk partition table? i want to convert an old ntfs disk to ext4 |
| 14:57.54 | greycat | just write an ext4 file system on that partition, and mount it |
| 14:58.03 | greycat | you don't need to adjust the partition table |
| 14:58.32 | Tenkawa | greycat: shouldn't he change the type for consistency? |
| 14:58.45 | greycat | if you want to, but it's just decoration |
| 14:58.48 | Tenkawa | true |
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| 14:59.13 | edi | well its an old disk with 4 partitions |
| 14:59.20 | edi | and I used cfdisk to delete em |
| 14:59.27 | Tenkawa | doesnt matter |
| 14:59.30 | edi | and write a new single partition |
| 14:59.37 | edi | but the 4 still show up |
| 14:59.42 | edi | maybe disk broken? |
| 14:59.53 | Tenkawa | did you save and refresh |
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| 15:00.00 | edi | ah no |
| 15:00.02 | edi | i'm stupid |
| 15:00.11 | edi | I didn't unmount one of the partitions |
| 15:00.18 | edi | sorry |
| 15:00.19 | Tenkawa | that will do it too |
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| 15:28.53 | NetTerminalGene | how can i learn which mesa driver i use? |
| 15:29.46 | greycat | glxinfo | less |
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| 15:33.09 | BCMM | `glxinfo | grep amdgpu` - nothing on my machine |
| 15:33.57 | BCMM | glxinfo is how you check whether you're using mesa or some proprietary libgl like the nvidia one |
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| 15:40.39 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: look around glxinfo|grep -A1 Vendor |
| 15:41.08 | greycat | or just keep paging down through glxinfo|less until you find what you're looking for |
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| 15:41.37 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.38 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.47 | csanyipal | Hi, |
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| 16:07.06 | csanyipal | I have installed Debian Stretch on a Desktop machine which has floppy drive too. I can access floppz disk but can't write on it. |
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| 16:07.24 | csanyipal | I am using XFCE DE. |
| 16:07.40 | csanyipal | How to set it to can write on floppz disks? |
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| 16:07.45 | csanyipal | floppy |
| 16:08.04 | Ede|Popede | is it formatted, mounted rw, do you have write access? |
| 16:08.29 | greycat | ,info mtools |
| 16:08.30 | judd | Package mtools (otherosfs, optional) in stretch/amd64: Tools for manipulating MSDOS files. Version: 4.0.18-2+b1; Size: 177.1k; Installed: 361k; Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/mtools/ |
| 16:08.36 | csanyipal | It is formatted. It is not mounted rw so I have no write access. |
| 16:08.59 | csanyipal | I am going to install mtools. |
| 16:09.12 | greycat | mtools is an alternative to mounting and treating it like a unix file system |
| 16:10.30 | jelly | wow. I haven't used mtools for probably more than a decade, back when there were floppies |
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| 16:10.38 | greycat | yeah, it's been a while |
| 16:10.55 | Ede|Popede | didn't use them in years, do they have advantage to user(s) option and proper dmask/fmask? |
| 16:11.27 | Ede|Popede | still has a sealed package of 5.25â floppies, just for the case :) |
| 16:11.42 | jelly | ,i dosemu |
| 16:11.43 | judd | Package dosemu (contrib/otherosfs, optional) in stretch/amd64: DOS Emulator for Linux. Version: 1.4.0.7+20130105+b028d3f-2+b1; Size: 2180.4k; Installed: 4891k; Homepage: http://www.dosemu.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/dosemu |
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| 16:13.16 | csanyipal | Just installed mtools. |
| 16:13.47 | csanyipal | So how to use it to mount floppy rw? |
| 16:14.31 | jelly | you don't mount it at all AFAIR, just use mcopy to copy files to and from? |
| 16:14.32 | greycat | You don't mount floppies if you use mtools. It's an alternative to the entire mounting paradigm. |
| 16:14.39 | ksk | csanyipal: https://wiki.debian.org/Floppy - I dont think you need additional software for that.. |
| 16:14.50 | ksk | ah okay.. |
| 16:15.00 | jelly | and mdir to look at contents |
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| 16:32.07 | Mazhive | but opendkim runs fine ??? |
| 16:32.43 | Mazhive | i know 5 times within 10 seconds but that is not the case here .. |
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| 16:50.58 | jelly | Mazhive: read the docs, find where the service does logging, look at log files. It might not be systemd-journal enabled. |
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| 17:06.05 | ehko | Another Beautiful Birth - Birth of a New Earth: https://www.bitchute.com/video/KcAtp1L4FOFl/ (EVIE WILLOW ROBSON). Enjoy. |
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| 17:21.40 | beaver | -_- |
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| 17:37.59 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I am currently trying to get my system ready for upgrade. I ran apt-get upgrade to make sure all of my packages were up to date, but it holds back the following packages. Is there a way to find out why? |
| 17:38.29 | greycat | !held back |
| 17:38.29 | dpkg | Apt says packages are "kept back" when they cannot be upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 17:38.30 | Lady_Aleena | firmware-linux-nonfree libfreerdp-cache1.1 libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-core1.1 libfreerdp-gdi1.1 linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 python-reportbug reportbug |
| 17:39.13 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: you're still on jessie? do a dist-upgrade as well. |
| 17:39.27 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I'm preparing for it. |
| 17:39.40 | greycat | apt-get upgrade (as opposed to apt upgrade) needs --with-new-pkgs in order to do what apt does by default |
| 17:39.51 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: not a release upgrade. An "apt-get dist-upgrade" while still on jessie. |
| 17:40.14 | greycat | or, as jelly says, you can just use dist-upgrade |
| 17:40.25 | Lady_Aleena | apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs |
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| 17:41.10 | Lady_Aleena | ^trying that |
| 17:41.12 | velix | !seen debian10 |
| 17:41.12 | dpkg | velix: i haven't seen 'debian10' |
| 17:41.19 | velix | I also haven't :( |
| 17:41.31 | jelly | dpkg, wwbr |
| 17:41.32 | dpkg | Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html . Remember that Debian releases come out when they are ready, and arrive sooner, if you help ;) |
| 17:41.44 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 17:41.44 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=stretch&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 17:42.01 | velix | jelly: I know, I'm just going through the list. |
| 17:42.06 | velix | jelly: But thanks! |
| 17:43.23 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, dist-upgrade while jessie is still in my sources.list? |
| 17:43.46 | greycat | !kept back |
| 17:43.46 | dpkg | Apt says packages are "kept back" when they cannot be upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 17:44.00 | ksk | Lady_Aleena: yes. why not take a look at the apt-get manpage, and take a look at the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade.. |
| 17:44.22 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, hold on, I was just told that I need to restart my computer. |
| 17:44.34 | Lady_Aleena | ^Not just greycat, but everyone. |
| 17:44.35 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: precisely that. |
| 17:44.39 | Lady_Aleena | brb |
| 17:45.37 | greycat | she doesn't actually understand anything she reads, does she |
| 17:46.13 | jelly | she's... trying |
| 17:46.54 | jelly | I wouldn't go so far to say "anything" is accurate |
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| 17:47.55 | jelly | dabbles in perl and databases, but is missing many core concepts |
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| 17:48.11 | jelly | speak of the devil |
| 17:48.19 | velix | Interesting, only two bugs would annoy me. |
| 17:48.25 | velix | I think of trying Buster now. |
| 17:48.27 | Lady_Aleena | I'm the devil? |
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| 17:49.03 | greycat | I'm sure he meant it in a nice way. |
| 17:49.06 | velix | Lady_Aleena: When god is a girl, devil can be, too. |
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| 17:49.51 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, well, one good thing just happened. For the last couple of months and when I would (re)boot, I was getting an SRST error with errorno=16. When I just rebooted, that error was gone. |
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| 17:51.42 | Lady_Aleena | Now, apt-get upgrade is clear of any packages. I think my system is now, minimally up to date software-wise. Now to get to the dist-upgrade suggestion. |
| 17:52.25 | Lady_Aleena | So, now do a dist-upgrade while jessie is still in my sources.list? |
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| 17:52.50 | jhutchins_wk | !jessie->stretch |
| 17:53.01 | jelly | jessie and nothing else. Bring jessie up to date frist. |
| 17:53.02 | annadane | that factoid has never worked ever, has it... |
| 17:53.08 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I'm not to that point yet. |
| 17:53.34 | jhutchins_wk | ! jessie->stretch |
| 17:53.34 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 17:53.35 | jelly | annadane: short character ! addressing the bot fails with factoids that have -> |
| 17:53.49 | jelly | nickname addressing it works. |
| 17:53.56 | BCMM | that's a confusingly specific issue |
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| 17:54.04 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:54.07 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Work with a space. |
| 17:54.16 | jelly | I refuse to space it. |
| 17:54.25 | jelly | dpkg: botsnack |
| 17:54.25 | dpkg | jelly: thanks |
| 17:55.15 | jelly | (ok, I did not know that) |
| 17:55.22 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I am still not to the point where my system is ready for upgrading from jessie to stretch. |
| 17:55.51 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Yes, it is safe to do a dist-upgrade at this point. |
| 17:56.03 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: In fact, they don't have to be done separately. |
| 17:56.53 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I'm not past section 4.2 on https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 17:56.55 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: The install guide may recommend doing it in two stages, but if you're allready running a given release you can just dist-upgrade everything. |
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| 17:57.08 | BCMM | Lady_Aleena: dist-upgrade does not, in fact, always mean "upgrade to a new distro" |
| 17:57.28 | Lady_Aleena | I'm not past the opening of that section. I haven't gotten to 4.2.1 |
| 17:57.41 | BCMM | it's just "like upgrade, but it will remove packages if necessary" |
| 17:57.45 | greycat | the confusion caused by this is why apt changed the spelling from "dist-upgrade" to "full-upgrade" |
| 17:58.24 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, but not my apt-get I take it. |
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| 17:59.12 | BCMM | Lady_Aleena: greycat means the the `apt` command, an additional frontend to apt-get that does not replace apt-get |
| 17:59.24 | greycat | the user interface of apt-get is static, so it can be used in scripts |
| 17:59.32 | Lady_Aleena | So, run apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure jessie is fully up to date. |
| 17:59.36 | BCMM | yes |
| 17:59.48 | Lady_Aleena | Done |
| 17:59.54 | jhutchins_wk | BCMM: There's no reason apt can't replace apt-get, and aptitude, which can also replace apt-get. |
| 17:59.54 | greycat | the user interface of apt is whatever they decide to do this month |
| 18:00.57 | jelly | colors! progress bars! |
| 18:01.04 | jelly | cake?!?! |
| 18:01.07 | Lady_Aleena | So, dist-upgrade is done. |
| 18:01.11 | greycat | E: Invalid operation cake |
| 18:01.17 | jelly | moo |
| 18:01.46 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: you possibly have an even newer kernel now |
| 18:02.01 | BCMM | jhutchins_wk: for interactive use, sure. i'm just clarifying that it's a distinct tool, not the new version of apt-get |
| 18:02.28 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: or not. there are probably a smaller number of held packages. |
| 18:02.39 | jelly | there is* |
| 18:02.52 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/1082933/ was the result of apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.42 | Lady_Aleena | So, nothing happened when it was run. |
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| 18:05.54 | velix | With Stretch, I've only used "apt" instread of "apt-get". Is "apt" grown up enough? |
| 18:06.13 | greycat | that's for you to decide |
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| 18:06.42 | velix | greycat: I don't miss the cow powder. |
| 18:06.44 | velix | eeeh cow power. |
| 18:07.28 | greycat | they both have Super Cow Powers |
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| 18:07.52 | BCMM | i'm slightly disappointed that they have the exact same cow tbh |
| 18:08.16 | greycat | they're wrappers around some library calls that do the actual stuff |
| 18:08.26 | greycat | or at least I think that's how it works |
| 18:09.12 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: good |
| 18:09.55 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: are there still some packages held? |
| 18:09.59 | Lady_Aleena | So, now I have nothing in upgrade being held back, now I can go back to figuring out why I have a list of ~20 packages that Debian doesn't like: http://paste.debian.net/1082935/ (Back to section 4.2). |
| 18:10.03 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, no |
| 18:10.10 | jelly | okay |
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| 18:10.49 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: canon printer drivers did not come from Debian. |
| 18:11.22 | jelly | neither did org.jessies.terminator and I did not even know there was a Notepad++ native Linux build |
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| 18:11.37 | Lady_Aleena | discord and org.jessies.terminator didn't either. I don't know what all the lib thingys are. |
| 18:12.42 | jelly | the multimedia crap is probably from dmo. See if their version numbers have "dmo" in the name. If that is so, I'd purge those now and reinstall later, from stretch. |
| 18:12.48 | Lady_Aleena | s/know what all the lib thingys are/know where all the lib thingys came from/; |
| 18:13.09 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, how do I do that? |
| 18:13.19 | jelly | list package versions? |
| 18:13.26 | jelly | dpkg -l | grep dmo |
| 18:13.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep dmo |
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| 18:13.56 | jelly | that's not a 100% correct command |
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| 18:14.13 | jelly | ii gtk-engines-redmond95 0.12-8.1+b1 i386 Windows-like theme for GTK+ 1.2 |
| 18:14.19 | jelly | but is good enough |
| 18:14.20 | Lady_Aleena | Only on came back, libjs-jquery-ui-theme-redmond |
| 18:14.39 | greycat | hah |
| 18:14.45 | Lady_Aleena | s/Only on/Only one/; |
| 18:14.57 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: what does dpkg -l ffmpeg|tail -n1 say? |
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| 18:15.06 | jelly | (ie. which version of package is that?) |
| 18:15.45 | Lady_Aleena | ii ffmpeg 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1 amd64 Tools for transcoding, streaming and playing of multimedia files |
| 18:16.08 | greycat | jessie-backports |
| 18:16.11 | jelly | oh, you have some packages from jessie-backports and you removed that repo |
| 18:16.23 | jelly | that's _most likely_ fine |
| 18:16.38 | Lady_Aleena | I take it that is what -bp or -bpo stands for? |
| 18:16.46 | jelly | bpo8, yes |
| 18:17.14 | jelly | and most if not all the libav stuff is for ffmpeg. |
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| 18:17.54 | Lady_Aleena | So, it might be that the whole list with the exceptions of discord, notepadqq, and org.jessies.terminator may be from backports? |
| 18:17.54 | BCMM | what exactly does `aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)'` do? list packages that didn't come from debian repos? |
| 18:17.55 | jelly | if you want to make sure, you can readd jessie-backports back, do that Origin check again |
| 18:17.57 | greycat | bpo stands for "backports.org" because they used to be on www.backports.org. Now that's a redirect to backports.debian.org. |
| 18:18.33 | jelly | BCMM: ~i installed packages, ! not from ~O Origin: Debian |
| 18:19.06 | Lady_Aleena | Aren't backports dead now? |
| 18:19.12 | BCMM | jelly: thanks. i'm wondering how i got things like libicu57 and openjdk-8-jdk on that list... |
| 18:19.36 | BCMM | there's a few things i expect, i.e. stuff i have repos for or stuff i installed from a .deb, but there's some other stuff that has me stumped... |
| 18:19.37 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: oh right, you'd have to pull the repo from archive.debian.org |
| 18:19.51 | greycat | libicu* is from dnsutils |
| 18:20.15 | jelly | BCMM: you can safely "apt-mark auto libicu57" |
| 18:20.34 | BCMM | jelly: right, but why is it marked as not from debian? |
| 18:20.36 | greycat | or... maybe I'm thinking of different cryptic libs |
| 18:20.41 | Lady_Aleena | So, which line do I alter in my sources.list? |
| 18:20.48 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1082936/ |
| 18:21.11 | jelly | BCMM: possibly because you've also removed the repo so apt can't check where the exact installed version is available from |
| 18:21.33 | jelly | apt and dpkg do NOT keep track of where an installed package came from |
| 18:21.33 | greycat | sorry, I was thinking of libidn* and libisc* |
| 18:21.56 | BCMM | jelly: "libicu57 was already set to automatically installed.", but apt autoremove doesn't try to remove it... |
| 18:22.08 | Lady_Aleena | It is a good possibility that my firefox on that list is a backport. |
| 18:22.10 | greycat | then use "aptitude why libicu57" |
| 18:22.11 | BCMM | what's the actual logic behind autoremove? i've noticed it not wanting to remove stuff like that before |
| 18:22.12 | jelly | BCMM: something depends on it. |
| 18:22.28 | BCMM | greycat: oh right, i forgot about suggestions again |
| 18:22.52 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: if you want to keep things neat, you could I guess replace line 11 with a working line for jessie-backports |
| 18:23.19 | jelly | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 18:23.37 | jelly | but you will also have to use this option to do an apt-get update |
| 18:23.42 | jelly | !valid-until |
| 18:23.42 | dpkg | valid-until is, like, apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false and/or see https://ftp-master.debian.org/#validuntil |
| 18:24.16 | jelly | otherwise, |
| 18:24.18 | jelly | E: Release file for http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 93d 21h 58min 21s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 18:26.18 | velix | Can anyone explain, what "sloppy" releases are? |
| 18:26.27 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, update didn't like deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 18:27.02 | greycat | did you read what jelly already wrote? |
| 18:27.18 | Lady_Aleena | How does that work? |
| 18:27.26 | annadane | !tell velix -about backports-sloppy |
| 18:27.32 | velix | annadane: thx |
| 18:28.25 | annadane | i *could* explain it myself instead of spamming you with a bot but where's the fun in that |
| 18:28.44 | Lady_Aleena | What option do I need to use when I run apt-get update? "apt-get update --valid-until" |
| 18:29.05 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: now read what dpkg said in response to what jelly said. |
| 18:29.48 | jelly | even if bot's message could be clearer, it shows an URL that explains "How does that work?" |
| 18:30.11 | Lady_Aleena | What is the exact command? It is all mixed up, and I don't know what parts go where. |
| 18:30.49 | jelly | apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false [and do here what you wanted it to do] |
| 18:31.07 | jelly | which is "update" |
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| 18:33.04 | Lady_Aleena | So that aptitude search got a lot shorter. http://paste.debian.net/1082937/ |
| 18:33.53 | jelly | package "firefox" is a transitional one and you can safely purge it or ignore it. The others are really coming from outside of Debian. |
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| 18:34.31 | Lady_Aleena | Would they be a hindrance to upgrading to stretch? |
| 18:34.46 | jelly | that 100% depends on the packages |
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| 18:35.48 | Lady_Aleena | So, apt-get remove firefox or apt-get purge firefox? |
| 18:36.04 | jelly | ... they might, or they might not. I only know existence of cndrvcups-ufr2-uk, cndrvcups-common did not horribly break my jessie->stretch |
| 18:36.33 | jelly | either is fine, use purge |
| 18:36.52 | Lady_Aleena | That won't affect my .mozilla will it? |
| 18:37.03 | greycat | no |
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| 18:37.07 | Lady_Aleena | Cool. |
| 18:37.34 | joze | are stupid people soon allowed to install buster? |
| 18:37.50 | jelly | (you could check yourself by looking at what package /var/lib/dpkg/info/firefox.*rm scripts do) |
| 18:38.15 | jelly | joze: this year probably |
| 18:38.27 | BCMM | discord should be fine, it's apparently statically-linked (since it's just the ".deb" version on their site. not the "debian stable" or "ubuntu" or whatever package) |
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| 18:39.26 | jelly | coworker succeeded installing buster on a fresh 8gen intel desktop, but he had 2-3 fellow sysadmins to help |
| 18:39.57 | jelly | stretch installer failed badly on this hw |
| 18:39.57 | joze | intel cpus are those with the flaws? |
| 18:40.07 | jelly | all modern cpus have flaws. |
| 18:40.12 | BCMM | but where you got a notepadqq deb is a mystery to me, since it seems to be one of those "just use snaps!" developers |
| 18:40.35 | jelly | BCMM: any why is it not called notepad++? |
| 18:40.47 | weedloser | On an offtopic note: I would strongly suggest to simply use discord in a browser instead. |
| 18:40.55 | Lady_Aleena | BCMM, I got rid of notepadqq since it is way underdeveloped. |
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| 18:41.09 | BCMM | jelly: it's a npp sorta-clone for linux |
| 18:41.21 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: vscode is kinda nice. |
| 18:41.33 | BCMM | (bit odd, because we already have a bunch of editors with a similar concept, like kate) |
| 18:41.42 | jelly | BCMM: oh, not the real thing? |
| 18:42.00 | BCMM | jelly: no. notepad++ doesn't run natively on linux |
| 18:42.10 | BCMM | (and isn't exactly flawless on wine either) |
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| 18:42.22 | Lady_Aleena | kate is horrible. |
| 18:43.09 | Lady_Aleena | I went to geany. It is close, but there are some things about it that bug the hell out of me. |
| 18:43.51 | nt80 | same |
| 18:44.06 | Lady_Aleena | So the printer driver, discord, and org.jessies.terminator shouldn't hurt my dist-upgrade to stretch? |
| 18:44.29 | humpled | what is so annoying about geany? |
| 18:44.48 | Lady_Aleena | humpled, when I go to save a file, it does not remember the LAST dir used. |
| 18:45.02 | ChunkzZ | leafpad > geany. |
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| 18:45.18 | BCMM | ChunkzZ: leafpad is a different category of software |
| 18:45.27 | ChunkzZ | :p |
| 18:45.29 | BCMM | it's more like notepad than notepad++ basically |
| 18:45.31 | Lady_Aleena | humpled, it always takes me up to the top defined "home" directory. There are times where I am working 4 or 5 dir levels down. |
| 18:45.48 | BCMM | (i mean, apart from the fact that notepad.exe is kind of broken) |
| 18:46.25 | Lady_Aleena | Notepad++ remembered where I was working. |
| 18:47.41 | Lady_Aleena | But that is for another day. I'm trying to get my system ready for dist-upgrade, even if I don't do it this weekend, I know I have to do it SOON. |
| 18:49.23 | humpled | hmm, geany always shows me Recently Used |
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| 18:57.08 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a list of sources for stretch for sources.list? I doubt just changing the lines in my current sources.list from jessie to stretch would do the trick. |
| 18:57.44 | Lady_Aleena | It isn't in https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
| 18:58.00 | greycat | !stretch sources.list |
| 18:58.00 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:00.13 | Lady_Aleena | Tack on contrib and non-free after main on each line? |
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| 19:01.28 | Lady_Aleena | Also, there are no backports in stretch? |
| 19:01.35 | greycat | !stretch-backports |
| 19:01.35 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 19:01.46 | greycat | they are not *in* stretch |
| 19:01.51 | Guest23 | https://www.swagbucks.com/p/register?rb=57367224 |
| 19:01.54 | greycat | they are a thing that you might add *to* stretch |
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| 19:02.39 | humpled | there are no backports for jessie |
| 19:02.45 | dax | Guest23: don't spam on freenode, please |
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| 19:03.42 | Tenkawa | apt-get build-deps and apt-get source -b is my friend |
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| 19:05.12 | Tenkawa | er build-dep |
| 19:05.18 | Lady_Aleena | humpled, now, but there were. |
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| 20:11.56 | hmuller | I am using Debian testing aka buster. Network stopped after reboot today. Network interface was renamed to something different than shown in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 20:13.23 | hmuller | It's been awhile since I have done network troubleshooting, module r8169 is doing the remaining, but why all of a sudden might it be using a different name? |
| 20:13.53 | greycat | what are the names before and after the change? |
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| 20:14.32 | hmuller | Eth0 is being renamed to enp24s0, where it was enp31s0 previously |
| 20:14.56 | greycat | ... but it was never actually eth0? that's just you here in IRC making that part up? |
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| 20:16.16 | hmuller | I no, dmesg shows the interface name as eth0 before the rename |
| 20:16.16 | tehnull | why can't eht0 be eth0 |
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| 20:17.09 | tehnull | enp5s0 is such a logical name for eth0 |
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| 20:17.44 | karlpinc | hmuller: The name says the nic changed to a different pci slot. (I think.) |
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| 20:19.05 | karlpinc | hmuller: The buster release notes come to mind as a place where there's info, but really the documentation is in the source code. (Google for "predicable interface naming" or some such.) |
| 20:19.20 | hmuller | Oh. That's weird, I did a bios upgrade, but didn't think of that as the problem |
| 20:19.35 | greycat | ... seriously, the documentation for "How does the new naming scheme look" tells your read the kernel source code?!? |
| 20:19.52 | greycat | or wait, I guess it's udev source code. but still, that is not acceptable. |
| 20:19.57 | karlpinc | greycat: Sorta kinda. It gives some common examples first. |
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| 20:20.03 | greycat | WHERE |
| 20:20.07 | greycat | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 20:20.10 | greycat | How does the new naming scheme look like, precisely? |
| 20:20.14 | greycat | That's documented in detail in a comment block the sources of the net_id built-in. Please refer to this in case you are wondering how to decode the new interface names. |
| 20:20.15 | karlpinc | greycat: Uh. I'll have to go looking.... |
| 20:20.30 | karlpinc | greycat: There ya go. |
| 20:20.46 | greycat | that is the entire answer. |
| 20:21.04 | karlpinc | greycat: I went and looked at the source. The comments are pretty good. |
| 20:21.29 | karlpinc | greycat: (Although nothing says (IIRC) that the numbers are in base 10.) |
| 20:21.43 | karlpinc | greycat: There's a block comment at the top. |
| 20:21.44 | greycat | I ctrl-f'e for enp. Do you know how many results there are for enp in this source code? |
| 20:22.02 | karlpinc | greycat: Lemme look.... |
| 20:22.10 | greycat | I'll give you a hint. It's between -1 and 1. |
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| 20:25.06 | greycat | the wiki page links to #L20 but line 20 is #include <stdio.h> which makes me think there USED TO BE comments here but they were moved/removed |
| 20:25.46 | karlpinc | greycat: They got moved to here: |
| 20:25.49 | karlpinc | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/man/systemd.net-naming-scheme.xml |
| 20:25.59 | greycat | so now I have to read XML |
| 20:26.04 | greycat | I think I'd rather read C |
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| 20:26.31 | greycat | in either case, their wiki answer thing needs to be updated to point to the correct place |
| 20:27.39 | greycat | what is a person expected to do with documentation that's in an XML file, exactly? |
| 20:28.13 | greycat | ,file net-naming-scheme |
| 20:28.17 | hmuller | greycat: read it with a machine obviously |
| 20:28.18 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 20:28.34 | greycat | what kind of machine? what command? |
| 20:29.00 | hmuller | That was a poor attempt at humor |
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| 20:29.39 | karlpinc | greycat: I can only imagine that there must be on-line docs. (Right?) |
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| 20:30.36 | karlpinc | greycat: To generate anything useful you need docbook, which requires a whole lot of dependencies. |
| 20:31.39 | greycat | and nobody has actually done this... or at least, the results are not anywhere in Debian |
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| 20:34.56 | karlpinc | I can't find any on-line version of the docs. |
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| 20:37.31 | karlpinc | It'll probably show up in here, eventually: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/index.html |
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| 20:38.48 | hmuller | Modifying /etc/network/interfaces is a temporary fix. Apparently until a bios upgrade switches the PCI slot my network interface resides on |
| 20:39.05 | karlpinc | thinks it is too bad Debian is not so behind the adoption curve that actual documentation exists for its features. |
| 20:39.42 | karlpinc | hmuller: There's a kernel parameter you can supply at boot that will make it go back to eth0. |
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| 20:41.27 | hmuller | karlpinc: thanks for the pointer, I will look that up. That looks like a more permanent solution. I am not hot plugging network cards |
| 20:41.28 | karlpinc | hmuller: (On second thought, I think it's the pci bus number that's changed on you. ) |
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| 20:42.19 | karlpinc | hmuller: The reason they did this is because sometimes the eth0 changes out from under you -- I think. I did not try hard to understand. |
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| 20:43.00 | ksk | yeah, it was changed from "first card initialized is eth0" to something more deterministic (pci ids?) |
| 20:43.04 | greycat | if your machine only has one ethernet interface, eth0 will never change |
| 20:43.17 | ksk | because order of initialisation can differ from boot to boot |
| 20:43.35 | greycat | the udev thing makes more sense on machines with multiple NICs |
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| 20:47.08 | hmuller | Yes, there is only one NIC. So perhaps the answer is to set net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 in grub as karlpinc suggests |
| 20:50.01 | ksk | hmuller: afaik you can also set the devices names via udev - if this is what you initally asked. |
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| 20:50.30 | ksk | like, specify pci-id for matching, and give it "name=eth0" or something like that (its been some time I messed around with udev) |
| 20:51.28 | greycat | if the machine will never have multiple NICs, I wouldn't even bother with that |
| 20:52.06 | hmuller | I was curious why the naming changed. I updated bios today, karlpinc's hypothesis is the NIC bus number changed |
| 20:52.43 | greycat | somewhere in this XML thing is supposedly a description of what the "p" and "s" values mean |
| 20:55.19 | hmuller | greycat: I read about change from eth0 to the new system and summarily dumped that information. I meant the name change from enp31s0 to enp24s0 |
| 20:55.40 | greycat | Yes. We are trying to find the actual documentation that says what p31s0 means. |
| 20:55.47 | greycat | all we've got is https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/man/systemd.net-naming-scheme.xml |
| 20:56.07 | Habbie | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 20:56.22 | greycat | apparently nobody in the history of history has converted that XML shit into actual documentation |
| 20:56.48 | Habbie | ugh |
| 20:56.52 | Habbie | my url has a link at the end |
| 20:56.55 | Habbie | to a code comment |
| 20:56.56 | greycat | Habbie: that links to the OLD location in ths source code. The link now points to #include <stdio.h> |
| 20:56.58 | Habbie | that comment is gone and now there is that xml |
| 20:57.01 | Habbie | yes |
| 20:57.05 | Habbie | the comment was perfect |
| 20:57.19 | Habbie | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/0b1e5b6ed8c6b9a2bc53709eb75e381d360f05bf#diff-6b3292374fa2202636f29787988d9e07 |
| 20:57.38 | Habbie | that xml is supposed to generate a man page |
| 20:58.15 | Habbie | but i cannot find a render of it |
| 20:58.50 | Habbie | anyway, p24 is PCI bus 24 and s0 is slot0 on that bus |
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| 21:01.58 | greycat | so... distributors like Debian are expected to convert this XML thing into a man page somehow, and include it in their packages? |
| 21:02.36 | Habbie | yes |
| 21:02.45 | greycat | has anyone told them? :) |
| 21:02.49 | jmcnaught | that XML man page only got committed 15 days ago |
| 21:02.52 | winny | docbook is pretty well tried and true |
| 21:02.54 | Habbie | that commit i linked to is 15 days old |
| 21:03.02 | winny | a lot of projects use docbook |
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| 21:03.13 | Habbie | i trust it will come to debian when debian upgrades to the next systemd release after this commit |
| 21:03.37 | winny | all of the freebsd documetation is docbook, for example |
| 21:03.44 | winny | (not manpages though ;) |
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| 21:03.59 | greycat | who the fuck can possibly WRITE xml like this, what... |
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| 21:04.17 | Habbie | i did it for a while |
| 21:04.19 | Habbie | i did not like it |
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| 21:05.42 | winny | greycat: it might be nice to compare to the old manpages, if they use the simple man macros, it's probably not very semantic (and won't translate well into non-manpage usage) |
| 21:05.57 | hmuller | Thanks everyone for the input, nice to know BIOS updates can disrupt your networking |
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| 21:07.34 | greycat | even texinfo is better than this |
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| 21:10.07 | winny | can't argue with that :) |
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| 22:49.39 | Lady_Aleena | Is 269GB enough disk space to install Stretch? |
| 22:50.16 | mtn | easily |
| 22:50.25 | Lady_Aleena | Good. |
| 22:50.35 | mtn | you could do it in 20G or less |
| 22:51.32 | Lady_Aleena | Now to get the nerve to move onto the next steps. |
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| 22:53.18 | Lady_Aleena | I didn't go through this between wheezy and jessie, I just installed a new hard drive and installed jessie from scratch. I am really nervous about using dist-upgrade. Anyone have anything that can sooth my fears? |
| 22:53.47 | ryouma | in stretch, the /root directory's ctime and mtime keep getting changed when i am not using the computer. what could cause this, and are there straightforward steps i can take to find out what is doing it? |
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| 22:54.40 | Chex | Lady_Aleena: take a image backup of your boot drive before you start the upgrade, if it screws up, just restore it back |
| 22:54.49 | Chex | easy peasy |
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| 22:55.51 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know how to make an image. |
| 22:55.53 | ryouma | you can rsync root and boot partitions and then restore them to the same place. but make sure uuid same etc. |
| 22:56.02 | ryouma | i.e. don't re-do the filesystems |
| 22:56.06 | Lady_Aleena | Do you mean just copy the whole thing and save it somewhere. |
| 22:56.10 | ryouma | yes |
| 22:56.23 | ryouma | but do not try to run from the new place |
| 22:56.39 | ryouma | just rsync back (with --delete and stuff) |
| 22:56.50 | Lady_Aleena | Well, if something goes splat, then I won't have access to anything on this computer. |
| 22:57.25 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: this assumes youh ave something you can boot from and use comfortable to copy it back |
| 22:57.42 | ryouma | s/le/ly/ |
| 22:58.24 | ryouma | live cd works for many, but are totally inaccessible for some; a spindle anywhere will do |
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| 22:59.23 | ryouma | there is also doing it right, wihch is much more complex than people say it is: you copy your running config to a spindle and make that bootable. this is possible, but you have to edit fstab crypttab, get uuid's right, deal with mtab, understand chroot, etc. |
| 23:00.08 | Lady_Aleena | ryouma, then I am out of luck, I don't know how to deal with any of that. |
| 23:00.35 | ryouma | do you hafve a spindle you can isntall to and be comfortable with? install to that, then dist-upgrade. |
| 23:00.46 | Lady_Aleena | What's a spindle? |
| 23:00.49 | ryouma | any disk |
| 23:00.52 | ryouma | any drive |
| 23:01.09 | Lady_Aleena | I've got some writable dvds around here somewhere. |
| 23:01.11 | ryouma | (it used to mean the axis of a winchester hard drive) |
| 23:01.23 | ryouma | ok, maybe not that |
| 23:01.32 | ryouma | anything you can install to |
| 23:01.43 | Lady_Aleena | All my flash drives are full and two are non-functional. |
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| 23:03.22 | ryouma | why would stretch change mtime and ctime of /root when nobody using computer, every night?: the only thing i can think of is that for some reason it is saving to ~ and then deleting or something |
| 23:03.46 | Lady_Aleena | Is is okay to do all this while in a DE, or should I try to figure out how to shut down the DE and do it all from plain command prompt? |
| 23:04.30 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: the instructions tell you to do it from vt. but you can keep teh de running. but it is probable that you can do it from a terminal in your de. but possible that it will tell you to reboot x or something. |
| 23:05.05 | ryouma | the instructions say apt-get, which is perforce cli |
| 23:05.45 | Lady_Aleena | Would you all mind if I think this process that I think I have to do out loud and offer advice if I am wrong? |
| 23:05.47 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: also definitely recommended to do the upgrade inside a GNU screen session that you can reattach to in case something happens like your terminal emulator gets closed |
| 23:06.13 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: you could think offline, post it as a pastebin all figured out, and get lots of comments, probably |
| 23:07.02 | ryouma | jmcnaught: great idea. got any turnkey instructions there? i thinkt here is also... um, some kind of alternative to screen that just does that. like tmux or something? |
| 23:07.14 | Lady_Aleena | Here is what I know so far: 1) Change my sources.list to the stretch. 2) Run apt-get update. 3) Run apt-get dist-upgrade. 4) Done. |
| 23:07.29 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: read instructions! definitely! |
| 23:07.39 | ryouma | but yeah |
| 23:08.26 | Lady_Aleena | ryouma, I have been, and they are really confusing for me. I've had https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html up, and I don't know what applies to me. |
| 23:08.27 | ryouma | also if you are me then do dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set to critical or high so you don't get bombarded with quesitons all the time. but htat depends if you are a control freak |
| 23:08.41 | Lady_Aleena | I'm a control freak. |
| 23:08.46 | ryouma | hehe |
| 23:08.58 | ryouma | then it will take forever :) |
| 23:09.02 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you can just start screen with "screen" and if you get detached from it somehow, run "screen -DR" |
| 23:09.16 | Ede|Popede | Lady_Aleena: if you have some spare DVDs you could backup the pendrive to them (take two maybe just to be safe) and put a live iso to the stick then. |
| 23:10.47 | Lady_Aleena | I just wish there were a way to upgrade that didn't take so much guesswork. |
| 23:10.51 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: so with what jmcnaught said you can probably risk an xterm in your de instead of using the vt and having to switch 100 times to answer debconf |
| 23:11.02 | ryouma | (no guarantees) |
| 23:11.37 | ryouma | the guesswork could be eliminated with a vm. but i find those pretty inscrutable. |
| 23:11.41 | ryouma | and inaccessible. |
| 23:13.14 | Lady_Aleena | I'm also sorry for being so whiny, it is just that wheezy=->jessie (even with the fresh hard drive install) nearly destroyed me. |
| 23:13.50 | Lady_Aleena | I remember crying a LOT. |
| 23:13.51 | ryouma | you don't need to shuyt down de |
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| 23:14.18 | ryouma | you can do tail -f on the script(1) output, but beware that that buffers |
| 23:14.26 | ryouma | (i.e. you can keep using your de) |
| 23:14.30 | ksk | Lady_Aleena: judging from your talk in here all the day, this most likely comes because you add shitty repositories of everything to your system. never really had any problems upgrading myself.. |
| 23:14.45 | ryouma | she said fresh install |
| 23:14.50 | ksk | be sure to check the release nodes though. |
| 23:14.53 | Lady_Aleena | ksk, what repositories are you talking about? |
| 23:15.23 | ryouma | installation is more annoying than upgrading |
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| 23:17.34 | Lady_Aleena | ryouma, I am planning a plain upgrade this time, not a fresh install. |
| 23:19.47 | Lady_Aleena | Now I'm worried about what repositories that I use that are so bad. |
| 23:20.48 | ksk | Lady_Aleena: basicly everything that is not official debian repos. (you mentioned for example having notepad++ - I dont remember that being part of debian) |
| 23:21.08 | Lady_Aleena | ksk, I have removed notepadqq. |
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| 23:21.48 | Lady_Aleena | All I have left that isn't part of Debian are my printer stuff, discord, and org.jessies.terminator (my te). |
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| 23:24.29 | Lady_Aleena | If discord and org.jessies.terminator are removed during upgrading, that's okay, since I have the debs for them saved. I would just need to find the printer drivers again. |
| 23:25.20 | Lady_Aleena | If I have to do that though, since the upgrade may come with the drivers that work with my printer. |
| 23:26.06 | Lady_Aleena | So, I am NOT too worried about that. |
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| 23:37.28 | ryouma | te? |
| 23:37.32 | tehnull | rip me |
| 23:37.42 | tehnull | for using the nvidia drivers from their site |
| 23:37.56 | Lady_Aleena | ryouma, terminal emulator |
| 23:37.58 | tehnull | probably going to have to just reinstall |
| 23:38.34 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: buckle down on the instructions. if something is unclear, ask. much of it will not apply to you as it is designed fore verybody. |
| 23:39.22 | Lady_Aleena | ryouma, it is hard to get through them since I don't know what I need and what I don't. |
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| 23:40.56 | Lady_Aleena | Like under section 4.4, it says to "# mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint". I don't know if I need to do that. |
| 23:41.30 | ryouma | um, idr that but that is proably just for special purposes that do not apply |
| 23:43.57 | Lady_Aleena | See? That is why the instructions are hard to get through. I don't know what applies to me, and what doesn't. There isn't a "simple upgrade" page that has just the bare bones upgrade instructions that apply to a single user system that isn't on a network. |
| 23:50.57 | jmcnaught | tehnull: there is an nvidia-installer-cleanup package that might help if you're trying to switch to the packaged nvidia drivers |
| 23:51.50 | tehnull | nice |
| 23:52.15 | tehnull | do you think upgrading to buster will break apache or nginx? |
| 23:53.39 | jmcnaught | it's not supposed to, if there are extra steps to take for apache or nginx during the upgrade they should be in the buster release notes |
| 23:53.54 | jmcnaught | keep in mind that buster won't get security support until it becomes stable |
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| 23:59.09 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: debian is partly made for sysadmins of like a biillion machines, partly for home users who are new. you will get crazy stuff that does not apply and youa re like wtf is this. |