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| 00:08.34 | annadane | or uh, go to salsa and get the latest version of the release notes |
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| 00:14.05 | somiaj | carl_: things offical in a debian release are seldom if ever broken, what is broken for you? |
| 00:14.38 | somiaj | often times when stuff breaks it is because of mixing things. It is worth learning to do things the 'debian way',whcih basically is just some best practices to keep from breaking your debian. |
| 00:16.59 | jim | carl_, maybe apt -f install could make things better |
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| 00:18.39 | jim | somiaj, are Release files generated usually? |
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| 00:19.49 | somiaj | jim: they are created by the person who controlls the source. |
| 00:20.01 | somiaj | and yes they are most likely generated |
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| 00:21.09 | jim | somiaj, is there just one way to generate the Release file? |
| 00:21.18 | jim | if so, what way is that? |
| 00:22.00 | jim | (idea being, let me tell them that, so they can do it) |
| 00:22.09 | somiaj | why do you want to generate a release file, is this still about the fact the docker source you are trying to use doesn't have one? |
| 00:22.42 | jim | that's explained immediately above |
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| 00:23.14 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format |
| 00:23.27 | jim | they have to generate it, and place it in the right place, is that not so? |
| 00:24.13 | somiaj | are you trying to build a docker repository, or is this just one that isn't working? You probably shouldn't work as the middle person to getting their repository to work. |
| 00:24.38 | somiaj | and I can't really provide you enough details. The tools they are using to build the repository should be building the release files. |
| 00:25.22 | jim | nope, just trying to use one, and get something to tell them how to generate that release file |
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| 00:26.10 | carl_ | somiaj, well there's blatant bugs in the package that's in stable, and when I look online I get lots of non-working instructions, including on the debian wiki. Also people here point me to help pages that turn out to be either missing or incorrect |
| 00:26.11 | jim | is it possible to proceed without the release file? (it must be some switch of apt-get update) |
| 00:27.26 | somiaj | this is not the channel to try to get support on some third party repository. If the release file is missing either you have not entered int he repository correctly or the people who craeted it have a problem. Contact them. |
| 00:28.09 | carl_ | somiaj, I came here to get support on installing a package from testing |
| 00:28.15 | carl_ | surely it is the correct channel for that? |
| 00:28.17 | somiaj | carl_: what package again? Debian isn't bug free, but most things work just fine. At the time of the release debian is *almost* release critical bug free, but sometimes these bugs are found after the release. |
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| 00:28.24 | carl_ | somiaj, guake |
| 00:28.34 | Synaptic | can i install vlc from the testing stretch? even if im running on stable? |
| 00:28.40 | Synaptic | because i would like vlc 3.* |
| 00:28.40 | somiaj | carl_: that was to jim, and the short answer is there is we dont' support installing packages from testing in unstable. |
| 00:28.52 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 00:28.52 | dpkg | i guess dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 00:29.03 | somiaj | Synaptic: ^^ read that, the short answer is no, you cannot install testing packages in stable. |
| 00:29.11 | Synaptic | ok |
| 00:29.15 | somiaj | carl_: arg, I mean installing testing packages in stable. |
| 00:29.21 | Synaptic | but audio of movies is going out of sync here |
| 00:29.25 | Synaptic | all my movies |
| 00:29.37 | carl_ | somiaj, yes yes don't install any new packages and just give up on having any updates even though current version is broken and upstream fixed it |
| 00:29.46 | jim | you can, however, build the package from testing... |
| 00:29.56 | jim | ,checkbackport vlc |
| 00:30.11 | judd | Backporting package vlc in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libaom-dev, libaribb24-dev, libbluray-dev (>= 1:1.0.0), libplacebo-dev (>= 0.2.1) [linux-any], libspatialaudio-dev. |
| 00:30.38 | jim | hmm, so that can't be backported either |
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| 00:30.52 | somiaj | Synaptic: I personally with your expeirnce would not suggest backporting from testing. Also since buster is about to release, either use buster now (with limited security support) or wait for the release. |
| 00:31.02 | Synaptic | ok |
| 00:31.06 | jim | not without a lot of work getting those build dependencies satisfied |
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| 00:31.14 | Synaptic | but in this moment my movies are not correctly sync |
| 00:31.21 | Synaptic | and i dont know how i can fix it |
| 00:31.39 | somiaj | carl_: Debian's frozen release structure has some very good thigns about it, but it isn't for all users. Personally I suggest just running buster at this time if you want newer software from buster. |
| 00:32.06 | somiaj | Synaptic: all your movies or just certain ones? |
| 00:32.23 | jim | somiaj, if this isn't the channel to find out how the 3rd party repo admins can fix their repo, what would be? |
| 00:32.43 | carl_ | somiaj, why can't I just install only the package I want from testing, and also whatever dependencies are strictly necessary, and if that breaks creates a frenkendebian and something breaks then so be it? |
| 00:33.01 | carl_ | *if that creates |
| 00:33.01 | Synaptic | somiaj, all |
| 00:33.14 | jim | carl_, possibly, you'd break your packaging db |
| 00:33.16 | Synaptic | and same with mpv dragonplayer and vlc |
| 00:33.46 | Synaptic | when i start the movie is sync good... after 10 minutes is not on sync anymore |
| 00:33.56 | Synaptic | and keep loosing |
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| 00:34.35 | jim | carl_, well the only problem there, is you'd end up with something you'd have to take over support on |
| 00:34.45 | somiaj | carl_: you can do with your system whatever you want. We will not support you if you mix because it leads to lots of crazy issues, including not being able to install stuff and bugs that are due to mixing. |
| 00:35.00 | Synaptic | i will keep testing it |
| 00:35.08 | Synaptic | some adjustment on preferences |
| 00:35.13 | carl_ | fair enough somiaj, but HOW do I get the testing package to install? |
| 00:35.26 | carl_ | that's really the only thing I'm asking |
| 00:35.49 | somiaj | Synaptic: hmm, I don't know vlc that well, try to install mpv, then play the moving from the command line, mpv filefoo. mpv should be able to play almost anything. |
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| 00:36.00 | carl_ | if it's unsupported and I do it anyway and something breaks because I did it obviously I'm not going to come back here and complain it broke, I'm going to uninstall it and give up |
| 00:36.08 | carl_ | But I haven't been able to even try |
| 00:36.34 | somiaj | carl_: It is not supported, you will have to figure out how to get it to install. |
| 00:36.53 | carl_ | argh |
| 00:36.57 | somiaj | I would jsut install buster on your system, it will be a far better experience than mixing. |
| 00:36.58 | carl_ | that's just unhelpful |
| 00:37.30 | somiaj | buster is almost stable, many users run it just fine, you just have limited security support until the release which isn't that big of a deal for most desktop systems. |
| 00:37.43 | somiaj | you can even just upgrade stable to buster if you like. |
| 00:38.27 | somiaj | jim: I'm not seeing any channel for making repositories, https://wiki.debian.org/IRC. Maybe #packagining, but I don't htink it is appropraite there. Here I would just leave it to the repo's owners to figure out. |
| 00:38.28 | Synaptic | when is gonna become stable ? |
| 00:38.44 | somiaj | Synaptic: debian uses a 'when it is ready' time line. Basically when the last 120 bugs are fixed. |
| 00:38.55 | Synaptic | ok |
| 00:38.57 | dvs | 122! |
| 00:39.00 | somiaj | well 120 release critical bugs are fixed. Which is gonna be in the next 1-3 months. |
| 00:39.15 | somiaj | oh it went up again, well keep it up testers, get those rc bugs found and fixed. |
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| 00:39.50 | Synaptic | nice for you that u able to find bug and fix them |
| 00:39.53 | Synaptic | ok im going |
| 00:39.55 | Synaptic | good night |
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| 00:40.43 | carl_ | somiaj, I mean it's a very simple thing I'm asking - what command do I run to install a package from testing, plus those dependencies which cannot be satisfied by stable |
| 00:40.54 | carl_ | if this is impossible, okay |
| 00:41.17 | somiaj | You may think it is simple but it is not, due to shared libaries. |
| 00:41.19 | dvs | carl_, If you do that then you will be running testing |
| 00:41.41 | somiaj | just upgrade to testing, it is for the most part stable, has the software you want. |
| 00:42.09 | carl_ | there seems to be a fundamental break in communication here |
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| 00:42.44 | somiaj | yes, you don't understand what 'we do not support mixing' means. It means we don't support it, including figureing out how to do it in anyway what so ever. |
| 00:42.44 | carl_ | like stable has 99 softwares I want, but testing has 1 software I want, so I'm asking how to get the 1 from testing and you're telling me just switch to testing! |
| 00:42.54 | jim | somiaj, ok. so in that case it doesn't get fixed. so be it. so in the alternative, can I proceed without them having a repease file? |
| 00:43.20 | carl_ | well what about the other 99 programs which I want to run the stable version of? |
| 00:43.21 | somiaj | jim: I'm unsure the best way to install docker on debian. |
| 00:43.21 | dvs | carl_, I'm telling you that that one package in testing will pull in base libraries from testing |
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| 00:43.35 | carl_ | yes guake has like 7 dependencies from testing |
| 00:43.42 | carl_ | so I install 8 packages big whoop |
| 00:43.44 | somiaj | carl_: simple case, that 1 package pulls in some core libaries like libc6, and some other core stuff that most of your system depends on. |
| 00:43.51 | carl_ | still not the same as switching to tetsing |
| 00:43.59 | humpled | it seems you want something which is not debian |
| 00:44.08 | somiaj | carl_: now you have some core libaries that are on testing, and this could break every one of those other 99 packages that also depend on this core package. |
| 00:44.13 | dvs | carl_, No, it's called a frankendebian |
| 00:44.36 | carl_ | humpled, yes, I want to install the working version of a program as opposed to the broken version, if that is "not debian", then maybe I should step back and reflect here I guess |
| 00:44.44 | jim | somiaj, following that line of reasoning, you're also not sure if debian properly supports docker... my original intent was to learn something about it, so I'd be better equipped to help people |
| 00:45.02 | jmcnaught | ,v docker.io |
| 00:45.03 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- buster: 18.09.1+dfsg1-7~deb10u1; sid: 18.09.1+dfsg1-7; experimental: 18.09.5+dfsg1-1 |
| 00:45.10 | jmcnaught | jim: docker's in buster |
| 00:45.47 | carl_ | somiaj, why would it break them? maybe they'll break and maybe they won't. I want to try it and see, if it breaks I'll go back |
| 00:45.47 | jim | yeah, I looked at the checkbackport for that already |
| 00:46.02 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 00:46.02 | somiaj | jim: docker's development was moving really quickly so the packages were pulled from stretch as debian couldn't support them. Seems they are in buster now. I don't know the best way to install docker in stable, which isn't offically supported. |
| 00:46.02 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 00:46.17 | humpled | doesn't gnome have it's own drop-down terminal? i'm sure i used something that wasn't guake |
| 00:46.22 | somiaj | carl_: you can't just go back. Did you read that don't break debian wiki page? |
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| 00:47.14 | carl_ | somiaj, i don't get how i can't just uninstall the handful of packages |
| 00:48.11 | jim | carl_, you understand what a tree of package dependency relations is? |
| 00:48.26 | carl_ | jim, yes and so? |
| 00:49.14 | jim | if you install a package from another version of debian, you also introduce a dependency tree that's not compatible with the one you have |
| 00:50.02 | carl_ | jim, *not NECESSARILY compatible |
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| 00:50.57 | jim | carl_, this could, for example, lead to the installation of a later libc, and this would result in trying to install every package containing binary executables linked against libc |
| 00:51.57 | carl_ | yes jim i realize that |
| 00:52.02 | jim | true, not necessarily compatible. if it has binary executables linked with libc, then definitely incompatable |
| 00:53.08 | somiaj | our basic policy here is to not suggest or help someone break their system. That is what 'not supported' means. |
| 00:54.23 | carl_ | somiaj, that policy doesn't seem to mean much since the I did get suggested things that did break my system |
| 00:55.05 | somiaj | Sure, and there is a lot (and I mean a lot) of bad advise about debian on the internet too. |
| 00:55.47 | jim | looking at the original intent for having this whole system, it's in order to afford some convenience in installing software that wasn't originally installed when they first installed debian |
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| 03:02.48 | hopper1 | anyone running Stretch on a Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 6? |
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| 03:07.54 | annadane | sigh of course there's xfce 4.14 right as buster is about to release |
| 03:08.06 | annadane | hate when that happens |
| 03:08.11 | hopper1 | chuckles |
| 03:08.29 | annadane | woo 2 years of waiting |
| 03:08.38 | dvs | ,v xfce |
| 03:08.40 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64. |
| 03:08.41 | hopper1 | what's Buster's release date? |
| 03:08.46 | annadane | when it's ready |
| 03:08.52 | hopper1 | obviously lol |
| 03:08.52 | annadane | but basically june/july |
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| 03:11.07 | hopper1 | how's XFCE these days? I used to run it 4-5 years ago but have since switched to Cinnamon |
| 03:13.37 | aypea[1] | I use it daily. I don't notice I use it daily. :) |
| 03:13.59 | hopper1 | end of the day, that's the point of a window manager |
| 03:14.04 | annadane | it's fine |
| 03:14.15 | annadane | i've come to like it, fits my workflow |
| 03:14.24 | chet | why do I only have one channel in alsamixer |
| 03:15.06 | chet | Im trying to make the audio auto switch when plugged into back and front port |
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| 03:15.46 | chet | it is coming out of both port similtaneously |
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| 03:19.35 | rocketmagnet | good morning everyone |
| 03:19.57 | rocketmagnet | short question: how can i make xinput changes permanent so they stay after reboot ? |
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| 03:27.30 | rocketmagnet | i'm using lighdm |
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| 03:34.25 | ealfonso | Hi. I'm trying to help a friend install debian on a MacBookAir (2010, 11', Oct 2010). I saw the guide (https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple#MacBook_Air) but for this model I can't find a working link. Is there a suggestion for how to go about this? |
| 03:39.27 | Synaptic | hello |
| 03:40.17 | Synaptic | ealfonso, i dont want to say something not true, but, installing debian on a macbook anyway is going to scan and find all hardware components like all the other PC |
| 03:40.30 | Synaptic | the only way you need to find the way to boot the installer |
| 03:42.40 | Synaptic | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookAir/3-2 |
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| 03:47.17 | rant | ,v xfce4 |
| 03:47.18 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5 |
| 03:48.13 | ealfonso | 3-2 is not the same as 3-1. Maybe it doesn't matter, but the guide isn't explicit about this. I'm also unsure about the rEFit step, which seems unmaintained since 2013 |
| 03:48.32 | rant | the only thing special about apple machines of the last 10 years is the EFI, other than that they are the same as any other machine |
| 03:49.09 | rant | older ones that arent amd64 (x86_64) are no longer supported by debian |
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| 03:51.14 | ealfonso | rant are you aware of anything special needed for dual-booting with the original OS X ? will grub do it? |
| 03:51.21 | rant | personally if I had one I'd sell it and get a 2013 era lenovo thinkpad X or T series.. which you should be able to do with ease.. and it'd be way better hardware all the way around |
| 03:51.48 | rant | I have no idea about OSX |
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| 03:53.43 | Synaptic | wich one is the definitive quide to make work a Bluetooth internal adapter Ralink RT3290 on Deb? |
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| 03:56.23 | rant | Synaptic: (lspci -nn;lsusb)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 03:58.13 | Synaptic | oh, rant i willl check later im not from deb now |
| 03:58.30 | rant | Synaptic: are you on the machine right now? |
| 03:58.33 | Synaptic | i save this command somewhere |
| 03:58.35 | Synaptic | no im in the office |
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| 03:59.36 | Synaptic | but this is a bash command (lspci -nn;lsusb)|nc termbin.com 9999 ?? |
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| 03:59.38 | rant | Synaptic: yes well, when asking hardware questions like that the names are irrelevant we need the vend/prod id codes.. the software doesnt claim devices based on their names and many different names could correspond to many different id numbers |
| 03:59.54 | Synaptic | ok |
| 03:59.58 | Synaptic | i will be back from debian later |
| 04:00.09 | rant | Synaptic: yes, it will send the pci/usb bus info to a pastebin and return a URL |
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| 04:00.24 | Synaptic | need just lspci ? |
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| 04:00.31 | Synaptic | is pci nont usb |
| 04:00.36 | Synaptic | so i guess lspci its enough |
| 04:00.58 | rant | Synaptic: you're certain of that? cause my card is also pcie and has both bluetooth and wifi but the bluetooth is usb |
| 04:01.09 | Synaptic | its on the same card of the wifi |
| 04:01.11 | Synaptic | and its internal |
| 04:01.15 | Synaptic | no usb around |
| 04:01.23 | rant | you have no clue wht you're talking about |
| 04:01.31 | rant | my camera is also internal, and also usb |
| 04:01.39 | rant | usb is not solely an external bus |
| 04:01.43 | Synaptic | like virtual usb? |
| 04:01.50 | rant | its not virtual anything |
| 04:02.02 | rant | usb on modern processors like the core i is on the CPU itself |
| 04:02.04 | Synaptic | ok i will do lspci and lsusb |
| 04:02.16 | rant | and the vast majority of the bus is internal |
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| 04:02.37 | rant | its naieve to assume only the ports you see are all there is to the USB bus |
| 04:02.47 | Synaptic | ok im sorry rant, im not expert on this, i will provide info once i reach the laptop |
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| 04:03.30 | midoriya | Hello all, running a fresh installation of Debian unstable with GNOME 3. It looks and runs beautifully! :) |
| 04:04.08 | rant | Synaptic: as I said I have on my USB bus, my fingerprint reader, webcam, and bluetooth, without anything plugged in.. all three of these devices are internal.. the bluetooth is on the same mini pci express card as my wifi which is on the pci bus |
| 04:04.44 | rant | midoriya: I'm sorry to hear that |
| 04:04.51 | Synaptic | ok |
| 04:05.06 | Synaptic | midoriya, i installed also as GNome and i immediately switch back to KDE |
| 04:05.23 | rant | is sorry to hear that too |
| 04:05.33 | Synaptic | heheh next will be xfce |
| 04:05.57 | Synaptic | i can install all 3? or is gonna compromise something? |
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| 04:06.22 | jmcnaught | you can install them all, you'll just have lots of programs in your menus |
| 04:06.23 | rant | Synaptic: it will only clutter your menus up a bit.. which can be painstakingly manually addressed |
| 04:06.28 | midoriya | I originally used Xfce on my laptop for a week, but I find the experience with GNOME to be really nice so far! |
| 04:06.47 | jmcnaught | ++GNOME |
| 04:06.53 | rant | I was considering recently working on a program to address multi-DE installs by fixing the menus |
| 04:06.59 | midoriya | I decided to do a fresh install of Debian since I didn't really have much installed on that original installation, lol |
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| 04:07.12 | Synaptic | ok jmcnaught rant |
| 04:07.20 | Synaptic | maybe i will download xfce as well cuz i like it |
| 04:07.24 | Synaptic | plasma looks too delicate.. |
| 04:07.43 | Synaptic | jmcnaught, i installed nvidia drivers at the end... |
| 04:07.49 | Synaptic | thanks to the proper guide.... |
| 04:07.58 | midoriya | I do like Xfce, but I'll wait until 4.14 is released before I try it out again. It just has too much screen tearing and Compton isn't really that great of a workaround :P |
| 04:08.36 | rant | according to annadane about an hour or two ago, it was already released |
| 04:08.51 | Synaptic | installing them all, at the boot i can choose it from the login page right? like i did from gome to plasma? |
| 04:08.58 | rant | its not in debian yet of course cause we're in a freeze |
| 04:09.10 | rant | Synaptic: yes |
| 04:09.17 | Synaptic | ok it will be just one more.. xfce |
| 04:09.38 | midoriya | It just got its first pre-release, but 4.14 should be out by the time 10 rolls around... shame it didn't mean the Buster freeze deadline, though |
| 04:10.04 | midoriya | meet*, not mean |
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| 04:10.09 | rant | I think I may setup some VM and work on that issue.. cause those cluttered menus do really bother me..and its extremely difficult for average user to address that issue with multiple DE |
| 04:10.40 | midoriya | I think you could use MenuLibre to hide a lot of applications that are built around different environments. That's definitely what I'd do, haha |
| 04:11.26 | rant | yes well those menu editors are buggy and complicated as all hell and dont make it easy if even possible to edit menus on a per-de basis |
| 04:11.38 | Synaptic | https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xfce_in_an_already_installed_system |
| 04:11.42 | Synaptic | that is the proper one? |
| 04:12.05 | rant | you can mirror .desktop files to your homedir and put ShowOnlyIn=foodesktop but even that isnt the best solution |
| 04:12.19 | rant | cause you may WANT to use other apps in a different desktop |
| 04:12.39 | rant | there should be a per-de menu then a total debian menu |
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| 04:13.17 | rant | Synaptic: apt install task-xfce-desktop |
| 04:13.40 | Synaptic | rant thats it? |
| 04:13.55 | rant | by using the high-level task-foo-desktop metapackages you make it easier to remove by just removing that task package then doing apt autoremove |
| 04:15.08 | Henry151 | eliminate your DE entirely :) |
| 04:16.20 | rant | sawfish used to do this automatically, had its own menu, then a debian menu which had everything |
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| 04:20.16 | jmcnaught | Maybe sawfish was using Debian menu? |
| 04:20.18 | jmcnaught | ,i menu |
| 04:20.20 | judd | Package menu (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications. Version: 2.1.47+b1; Size: 370.7k; Installed: 1435k |
| 04:20.48 | rant | yes it was afaik |
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| 04:22.11 | rant | our menu systems are ridiculously complicated compared to say any version of Windows |
| 04:22.24 | rant | which are just simply directories with links |
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| 04:22.59 | rant | and none of our menus support in place editing, and at most support dragging items out to a panel or desktop |
| 04:23.30 | rant | the system is so damn complicated the developers who made it can't even develop ways to edit it |
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| 04:31.07 | magic_ninja | Sometimes abstraction can make things so stupidly complex. |
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| 04:40.12 | rant | my thought is to just make a simple automated program that can quickly build you per-de menus in your homedir.. and perhaps have several different pre-defined layouts.. where its DE-only, DE with all in seperate menu hierarchy, DE with other in each submenu, etc.. and perhaps have a simple mechanism to allow you to "import" apps from other DE to the current DE menu |
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| 04:40.47 | Synaptic | rant, for me its even complicate read what are you writing.... can you imagine me doing something like that? |
| 04:40.51 | Synaptic | XD |
| 04:41.28 | somiaj | I thought some of the DE's contained gui apps to edit menu entries already. |
| 04:42.09 | rant | Synaptic: well thats kinda my point.. new users I'm sure would love to just install multiple DE and mess with each.. and its daunting when you goto your menu and you got 4 text editors, 4 calculators, 4 archive managers, 4 file managers |
| 04:42.55 | Synaptic | true |
| 04:42.58 | rant | somiaj: they usually need to be installed seperately and the point is you start out using a global menu with virtually everything.. newer users need to start out the way they would get it if they had only installed 1 DE |
| 04:43.06 | Synaptic | i just have 2 of each because i switch from gnome to kde.. |
| 04:43.37 | Synaptic | if i dont like them i just go on synaptic and select wich one need to be uninstalled |
| 04:43.38 | Synaptic | no? |
| 04:44.19 | rant | mixing and matchign components from various DE is something you do AFTER you become acquainted.. this is why seperating the redundant menu entries should be default behavior |
| 04:44.50 | Synaptic | talking about desktops..... is it possible to run a bash command, for example top on the background of the screen? |
| 04:44.58 | Synaptic | like a wallpaper i mean |
| 04:45.09 | rant | Synaptic: yes and no |
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| 04:47.01 | rant | Synaptic: technically the desktop and wallpaper are just a frameless window.. last I used sawfish with mate, the desktop was drawn at like -5 so putting something at -4, ignored (without a window frame decor at all) and full-screen sized, would make it appear above the desktop but below everything else.. |
| 04:47.32 | Synaptic | levels of desktops |
| 04:47.41 | somiaj | Synaptic: you can get a terminal that has psudotransparancy and uses your wall paper as the background. |
| 04:47.42 | Synaptic | didnt know that could make it like that |
| 04:47.46 | rant | but doing this requires support for doing this in your WM, and should be possible with any EWMH compliant wm, but it would then still be on top of your icons |
| 04:48.16 | Synaptic | mhh |
| 04:48.19 | rant | the other option would be to render the output of the command using something like imagemagick to an actual image |
| 04:48.29 | Synaptic | long time ago i was using conky but im not good anymore coding it |
| 04:48.31 | rant | actually putting the text onto an image file |
| 04:48.36 | somiaj | there is actually a command that does this, can't seem to recall its name though. |
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| 04:49.47 | somiaj | hmm, there is root-tail, but that wasn't waht I was thinking off |
| 04:50.04 | rant | Synaptic: its simple window stacking order.. most windows are 0 and above.. but things like panels and desktop apps that show icons or backgrounds are exceptions.. they typically run at negative levels and often also change the usable desktop size (for maximizing windows) |
| 04:50.26 | rant | I recall xphoon which was one that showed the phase of the moon on the root window |
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| 04:52.17 | Synaptic | ok |
| 04:53.30 | somiaj | ahh there it is, xosd-bin is the package name, there is also aosd-cat, or even osdsh, various tools for this (osd = on screen display) |
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| 04:58.33 | Synaptic | xpsd-bin |
| 04:58.38 | Synaptic | xosd* |
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| 05:02.28 | m4ch1n3znc | are that all bugs? |
| 05:02.30 | m4ch1n3znc | grep ^bugs /proc/cpuinfo | uniq |
| 05:02.30 | m4ch1n3znc | bugs: cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds |
| 05:02.33 | strk | would you consider enabling OpenID login for salsa.debian.org ? |
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| 05:04.44 | m4ch1n3znc | uname -r |
| 05:04.44 | m4ch1n3znc | 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 05:05.10 | m4ch1n3znc | there was |
| 05:05.16 | m4ch1n3znc | ups |
| 05:07.00 | somiaj | m4ch1n3znc: provided you have updated the microcode/firmware of your machine the kernel should have protection against those cpu flaws. |
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| 05:11.16 | tdn | somiaj, I do not want a 'fancy' web front end. However, I do want to be able to check out via https. Like I can do with subversion and apache |
| 05:12.26 | somiaj | Maybe you can just ssl_proxy apache to the port git-daemon is running on localhost, I haven't done this though. |
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| 05:13.53 | somiaj | http://web.mit.edu/git/git-doc/howto/setup-git-server-over-http.html -- I found this, seems there is an apache module that can do that. |
| 05:14.46 | somiaj | not something I have used, but I think this setup is fairly common. |
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| 05:17.40 | themill | tdn: you can just expose a bare git repo with any httpd and it is able to be cloned via http/https. |
| 05:18.50 | themill | (that's readonly; pushing requires more, but you did say "check out" not "commit" so perhaps that is sufficient for your needs) |
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| 05:20.29 | magic_ninja | I wonder if python is good for a general purpose language. |
| 05:20.47 | magic_ninja | I want something I can, for instance, easily move some data around in a database, or parse a csv or something. |
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| 05:21.46 | somiaj | python is a fairly good general purpose langauge that is still quite popular, has a good community, lots of docs, and in my opinion easy to write. |
| 05:22.17 | magic_ninja | It has to be easier than C |
| 05:22.20 | rabbitear_sdf | use go instead |
| 05:22.42 | somiaj | I find the syntax nice (once you get use to it) and the code easily readable. |
| 05:22.48 | rabbitear_sdf | actually you are suppose to write stuff in c first |
| 05:23.03 | magic_ninja | I don't have time to keep screwing around with C |
| 05:23.23 | magic_ninja | I need something that I can slap together :) |
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| 05:23.27 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: oh, you will |
| 05:23.33 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: you will my friend |
| 05:23.40 | somiaj | scripting langauges are great for small jobs, and overall python can be fairly quick, lots of times python will use a compiled c libary for speed on complicated things. |
| 05:24.02 | magic_ninja | rabbitear_sdf, I've written a nice bit of C in the last year. I want something else. |
| 05:24.36 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: why? |
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| 05:25.55 | magic_ninja | somiaj, right on. I know python has libs for a ton of things. I was kinda debating between that and java. |
| 05:26.12 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: I have to have to you write a full report, why you need to talk to people and do something else for me, okay? |
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| 05:27.34 | somiaj | magic_ninja: I think on linux you'll find python a bit easier since it is installed by default on linux, and if you are wanting to get away from C syntax, java would be similar, and require a lot of additional stuff to install. |
| 05:27.59 | rabbitear_sdf | there's 3 kinds of people in this world, but hopefully what to learn question gets gone, because you're already learning what you do <-- do is a funny thing these days too |
| 05:28.01 | somiaj | I mean java has similar syntax to C. |
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| 05:28.15 | magic_ninja | I'm not worried about size. |
| 05:28.20 | magic_ninja | 1TB SSD just for the linux install. |
| 05:28.43 | magic_ninja | But, if java has a C syntax, I might pick it up more quickly. |
| 05:29.09 | magic_ninja | I'll go with python. It is one of the main languages for Ignition HMI as well, so I could double up. |
| 05:29.23 | rabbitear_sdf | what you'll probably be worrying about and taking up most of your energy is messing with yourself saying 'why don't I know this' |
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| 05:30.32 | magic_ninja | rabbitear_sdf, I'm in my second year of EE school, I've been programming PLC's for years, been building networks since I was a teenager and I'm a journeyman electrician. I think I can deal with technology. |
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| 05:31.05 | magic_ninja | extrapolate that pedantic shit out so I can focus on the logic. |
| 05:31.09 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: do you believe anybody else can? |
| 05:31.52 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: lisp is better then for you |
| 05:32.27 | magic_ninja | Sorry about that. I lost my temper a minute. |
| 05:32.39 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: it'll work, and with your EE background as a little kid, you might actually enjoy it |
| 05:32.39 | magic_ninja | somiaj, thanks for the info there. |
| 05:33.04 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: nobody cares |
| 05:33.25 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: you're on your own fuel kid |
| 05:33.58 | rabbitear_sdf | garbage in, garbage out |
| 05:34.10 | rabbitear_sdf | you learn that one yet ? |
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| 05:34.15 | somiaj | magic_ninja: many like ipython when learning python or the more fancy jyupter notebook if you want to write it over a web front end. |
| 05:34.20 | chet | I finally got sound coming the fromt aux (3.5mm) port and the sound is switching back and forth if I unplug but there is terrible feedback coming out the rear aux but no music |
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| 05:34.53 | somiaj | chet: could the rear aux being acting like a mic port? |
| 05:35.16 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: and its wise to watch what you have taken in |
| 05:35.24 | chet | like the sound when the audio card goes to sleep, foe example in some reboots |
| 05:35.42 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: other wise heart attack |
| 05:35.49 | magic_ninja | somiaj, I'm comfortable learning the CLI tools for it. |
| 05:36.03 | magic_ninja | Does it compile to bytecode? |
| 05:36.32 | somiaj | I don't think so, I think there is some version of compiled python but unsure on the details, I have never used it. |
| 05:36.36 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: can I ask you what you are asking about with bytecode? |
| 05:36.58 | chet | somiaj: is it expecting me to unplug the other cord plugged into the rear jack? |
| 05:37.20 | rabbitear_sdf | chet: just not the wrong one |
| 05:37.36 | somiaj | chet: I'm unsure. Is this on a laptop? |
| 05:37.49 | chet | when I unplug the headphones sound goes back to the other device |
| 05:37.55 | chet | desktop |
| 05:38.36 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: drink a glass of water, take shower, it'll be the same stuff when you're a refreshed mind |
| 05:38.38 | somiaj | yea, I'm unsure, is this the intel hda sound card? |
| 05:39.00 | rabbitear_sdf | magic_ninja: you are thinking too much, i believe |
| 05:39.10 | chet | the rear is hooked to sound system via 3.5mm but I want it to switch when I plug and unplug the headphones |
| 05:39.31 | somiaj | magic_ninja: I was wrong there, turns out what I was thinking of was a python bytecode. I haven't had to use it, I would just start simple. Nice thing about ipython is you can just start writting pythong in a shell to get use to it. |
| 05:40.01 | rabbitear_sdf | somiaj: you are confusing the users! |
| 05:40.16 | m4ch1n3znc | so zombiload was patched with last intel-microcode package update? |
| 05:40.54 | rabbitear_sdf | m4ch1n3znc: they say |
| 05:41.26 | chet | somiaj: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB |
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| 05:44.32 | chet | cat /proc/asound/modules |
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| 05:44.57 | somiaj | chet: I think that sound driver should be able to detect if you plug in headphones and switch output accordinglly. I have no clue how to configure this if it isn't working. |
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| 05:48.01 | chet | somiaj: well its switching |
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| 05:48.35 | chet | just tons of bad feedback coming out the rear when headphones plugged in |
| 05:49.06 | chet | **headphones plugged into the front |
| 05:50.59 | somiaj | as I said, maybe plugging in the headphones in the front is switching the port in the back to be a mic jack or something like that. |
| 05:51.22 | Synaptic | just a thinking... right now, let say with the incoming new stable release of debian, for a everyday usage of a pc, lets say a normal user desktop user. debian start to be more user friendly compared to the past? and compared with all forks and derivated from debian that everybody says more beginners friendly? |
| 05:51.44 | somiaj | that snd_hda_intel card has lots of models that have various different behaviors. But most the info I have is kinda outdated. |
| 05:52.47 | somiaj | Synaptic: debian does have improvements on that front, but debian provides for a much bigger audience (both in number of ports supported and number of packages supported), that it most likely won't ever be as user friendly as some derivatives that focus only on that. |
| 05:52.52 | Synaptic | i will type again the questio on #debian-offtopic if necessary |
| 05:53.12 | Synaptic | but for me for example |
| 05:53.22 | Synaptic | me im not a linux expert, im not able to compile manually |
| 05:53.25 | somiaj | Synaptic: I think taking the time to learn debian is worth it, but it maynot be as catered to say a desktop on amd64 hardware as say mint is. |
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| 05:54.02 | somiaj | you shoudln't have to complie things manually in debian. You may have to realize debian has a differnt goal, and sometimes the software available is older, but in most cases provided y ou are okay with the software provided, this won't be an issue. |
| 05:54.05 | Synaptic | im scared to do something wrong, but i believe if i break a debian, i can break a mint in same way |
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| 05:55.42 | somiaj | That is correct, the basic thing is just use official debian sources, and if software you want is not in debian, it is often better to find an alternative that is than try to add software to debian (until you better understand debian and what you are doing) |
| 05:56.41 | somiaj | this would be the same for mint. If you choose mint, only use mint sources, and only use the software mint has availabe in their sources if at all possible. Also realize that your choice of distro comes with a support commuinty. You do get to ask questions here if you choose debian, other wise you need to use mints (or X distros) support community. |
| 05:57.05 | Synaptic | i can tell you what im doing 99% with my laptop. watching movies HD, listen to FLAC music or hi-res music, photography editing with lightroom or darktable, i like a lot graphical things, and normal internet browsing/yt and thats it |
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| 05:57.36 | Synaptic | im running debian at the moment |
| 05:57.53 | somiaj | Synaptic: personally I would just install buster at this point and see if it is what you want. It is basically stable, and the limited secuirty support isn't that big of an issue (for the most part) |
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| 05:58.16 | Synaptic | im trying to understand if im doing ti right..... why im on debian? because i dont want to use a derivated or fork system, if the original system is available |
| 05:58.35 | Synaptic | ubuntu is debian based and mint is ubuntu based... al coming down from debian, so i want to use debian |
| 05:58.42 | Synaptic | thats my philosophy right now |
| 05:58.50 | Synaptic | buster is testing? or unstable? |
| 05:58.56 | somiaj | Though we don't support derivatives here, they have their place, and sometimes focus more on a smaller target (such as desktop use) which some users may find more to their liking. |
| 05:58.59 | somiaj | buster is testing. |
| 05:59.17 | Synaptic | testing have plenty new software on it right? |
| 05:59.27 | Synaptic | also vlc 3.* if im right |
| 05:59.34 | somiaj | but soon buster will be stable, which is why I'm recommending it. This way you can get more moder software and make sure debian suits your needs |
| 05:59.39 | somiaj | ,v vlc |
| 05:59.40 | judd | Package: vlc on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.6-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.6-0+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.6-1; sid: 3.0.6-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:3.0.3-dmo1+deb9u6; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.6-dmo5; sid-multimedia: 1:3.0.7-dmo1 |
| 05:59.54 | somiaj | both stretch and buster have vlc 3.0.6 |
| 06:00.05 | Synaptic | wait asec |
| 06:00.08 | Synaptic | both stretch? |
| 06:00.20 | Synaptic | there is stable testing and unstable no? |
| 06:00.36 | somiaj | well there is oldstable, stable, testing, and unstable. |
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| 06:00.43 | Synaptic | ok named it? |
| 06:01.01 | somiaj | when a release happens, stable becomes oldstable, testing becomes stable, a new testing is created (as a copy of the old testing) and unstable is always unstable. |
| 06:01.17 | Synaptic | but stretchs are stable and olstable? |
| 06:01.27 | somiaj | right now stretch is stable and jessie is oldstable |
| 06:01.55 | somiaj | after busters release, stretch is oldstable, and jessie is oldoldstable (though outside of server use, most won't be using jessie) |
| 06:02.09 | Synaptic | ok so stretch stable stretch testing and buster unstable |
| 06:02.12 | Synaptic | right now? |
| 06:02.25 | somiaj | no, stretch is stable, and buster is testing. unstable is always sid |
| 06:02.30 | Synaptic | ah ok |
| 06:02.43 | somiaj | after the relaese, buster becomes stable, and a new testing (With a new codename) is created. |
| 06:02.51 | Synaptic | ok |
| 06:03.14 | somiaj | Looks like the new testing (And future release for debian 11) is going to be called bullseye |
| 06:03.14 | Synaptic | to update from stable to testing just change in resolv.con from stable to testing? |
| 06:03.21 | Synaptic | and run apt update && upgrade |
| 06:03.25 | Synaptic | ? |
| 06:03.35 | somiaj | you actually should use codenames, so use 'buster' instead of 'testing' |
| 06:03.40 | Synaptic | ok |
| 06:03.49 | somiaj | and yup, that is basically it, but some things might break, so it is best to follow some best pratices |
| 06:03.51 | Synaptic | lets say i want to update to buster |
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| 06:04.22 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html -- might want to read that first, this might not be finalized and mention all issues, but it is a good start. |
| 06:04.58 | somiaj | but yes, basically change your sources.list to use 'buster' instead of 'stable' (though it is always better to use codenames so it might be stretch) |
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| 06:05.31 | Synaptic | i get always headache reading long papers |
| 06:05.56 | somiaj | note that guide is covering worst case scenerio, often times just chaging your sources and upgrading works. But there are some best practices, and things to do to help save things if it breaks |
| 06:06.18 | Synaptic | i installed clean stable 2 hours ago |
| 06:06.21 | somiaj | if you are okay with just reinstalling from scratch (all your personal data is backed up) just change your sources.list and upgrade. |
| 06:06.22 | Synaptic | almost nothing installed on it |
| 06:06.38 | somiaj | yea, then just change your sources.list and then apt update && apt dist-upgrade |
| 06:06.49 | Synaptic | how many gb? |
| 06:06.51 | somiaj | If it breaks you can just install buster from scratch, no loss |
| 06:06.56 | Synaptic | because i have limited internet traffic |
| 06:07.03 | somiaj | totally depends on the number of packages you have installed. |
| 06:07.21 | somiaj | the dist-upgrade will tell you how many gigs it has to download |
| 06:07.26 | Synaptic | lets remain on stable for the moment im in a situation where if i loose the pc... im dead |
| 06:07.27 | Synaptic | :) |
| 06:07.35 | Synaptic | i will experiment once i wil be back home |
| 06:07.43 | Synaptic | now im in the middle of the ocean working |
| 06:07.55 | somiaj | Yea, always best to prepare for worse case scenerios |
| 06:08.01 | Synaptic | true... |
| 06:08.06 | Synaptic | i will be home in 2 month |
| 06:08.14 | Synaptic | i think buster will become even more stable |
| 06:08.34 | Synaptic | a question... who is working on that? i mean.. people in that channel? or on the OFTC ? |
| 06:08.36 | somiaj | yea, by then buster might even be released and offically stable. |
| 06:09.03 | somiaj | It is a combination of the release team and the matainers of the packages that have rc-bugs in them. |
| 06:09.33 | somiaj | Some of these devs are in various development channels on oftc, but the irc channels are mostly filled with support volunetters such as myself. |
| 06:09.44 | somiaj | well that and users |
| 06:10.20 | Synaptic | nice |
| 06:10.37 | Synaptic | support here is good, but i can see almost the same 5-6 helpers typing |
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| 06:10.52 | Synaptic | and me breaking the balls to all of them with my stupid questions :) |
| 06:12.06 | Synaptic | im not good reading guide.... i can follow like STEP-guides... where i can read the actions i could do, but im learning much faster listening experts and explaining my needs |
| 06:12.53 | Synaptic | sometimes guides are old and not suitable anymore for what i need |
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| 06:13.40 | somiaj | and some are just terrible and give bad advise for debian. It just takes experience. |
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| 06:15.08 | Synaptic | of course like i did today with nvidia drivers |
| 06:15.12 | Synaptic | i installed this xpackage |
| 06:15.14 | Synaptic | i dont remember the name |
| 06:15.18 | Synaptic | i lost everything |
| 06:15.24 | Synaptic | needed to reinstall from scratch all |
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| 06:15.29 | somiaj | did you finally get nvidia to work? I never saw if you did or not. |
| 06:15.34 | Synaptic | yes |
| 06:15.38 | somiaj | good |
| 06:15.43 | Synaptic | i installed linux headers first |
| 06:15.59 | Synaptic | i mean i dont know if nvidia is working all good... but at least after reboot i saw the screen |
| 06:16.00 | Synaptic | ahahaha |
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| 06:16.44 | Synaptic | ye is working i have nvidia panel on the application list |
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| 06:17.05 | Synaptic | i have this internet line satellite handicap... and i cannot download much things |
| 06:17.14 | Synaptic | i need to act carefully |
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| 06:18.49 | Synaptic | somiaj, you are good in math? |
| 06:19.11 | somiaj | They let me teach it, but this is off-topic for #debian. |
| 06:19.22 | Synaptic | ok |
| 06:19.31 | Synaptic | i just google ur name thats why |
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| 06:21.51 | Synaptic | :/ |
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| 06:33.07 | war | wassup |
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| 06:52.49 | tdn | themill, so if I just serve the repository via a std. httpd, git client will know how to check out and commit via that? How to define and enforce who has read and write access to what folders then ? |
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| 07:09.27 | themill | tdn: If you do a simple http-served repo like that, it can be cloned. You can commit to your local copy of the repo. You can't push to the http-served repo, though, as it is read-only. If you want to be able to push, then you need something fancier. |
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| 07:10.56 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've troubles installing oracle-java8, i tried to follow a few tutorials like the one from https://linoxide.com/debian/install-java-8-debian-gnulinux-9-stretch/ but apt-get don't find the package oracle-java8-installer |
| 07:11.14 | rocketmagnet | it's the same with every tut i tried, he never find the oracle package for java |
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| 07:12.47 | jelly | rocketmagnet: if you have access to oracle's downloads you can download the jdk or jre tarball there, then use make-jpkg tool from java-package package to convert it to an installable .deb |
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| 07:14.33 | rocketmagnet | jelly: that's a good idea |
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| 07:25.17 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i find no make-jpkg tool with apt-get |
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| 07:27.14 | humpled | looks like it's in java-package rocketmagnet, |
| 07:27.37 | themill | (just like jelly said) |
| 07:27.40 | jelly | rocketmagnet: I believe I said it was in "java-package", make sure you jave contrib in sources.list |
| 07:27.47 | jelly | !contrib |
| 07:27.47 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 07:30.17 | jelly | oh, it looks oracle made a public release for java8 this april after all |
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| 07:33.20 | jelly | but a license with more usage restrictions |
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| 07:55.19 | Synaptic | ready to try to install and configure my bluetooth |
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| 07:55.27 | Synaptic | https://paste.debian.net/1084126/ |
| 07:55.38 | afidegnum | hello, anyone familiar with Sed? im having troubble, |
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| 07:56.13 | Fox | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 07:56.51 | Synaptic | my bluetooth not working, maybe somebody wish to help me, here it is my lspci and lsusb https://paste.debian.net/1084126/ |
| 07:56.58 | Synaptic | Running debian 9 stable |
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| 07:58.54 | afidegnum | here is my issue: I m trying to remove the first enclosure of php file, and leave the rest out. i.e <?php bla bla bla ?> <?php other codes .... this is what i have come up with find . -type f -name "*.php" -exec sed 's/<?php/''/g' {} \; but it only removes <?php |
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| 08:01.43 | ghasem_ | afidegnum: try sed -e 's/\(<?php\|?>\)/''/g' |
| 08:02.10 | afidegnum | what does -e stands for ? |
| 08:02.51 | ghasem_ | afidegnum: read man page, --exprossion |
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| 08:05.07 | Synaptic | my bluetooth say no adapters found |
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| 08:05.38 | ghasem_ | afidegnum: sorry, i made a mistake. don't use -e no need |
| 08:06.28 | afidegnum | ok, |
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| 08:10.57 | dcpc007 | hi, i try to find why i have different umask for root between my debin 7 and debian 9 (without any umask config in /root/* |
| 08:11.53 | dcpc007 | i login with a user account --> sudo -i --> umask |
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| 08:12.25 | dcpc007 | deb7 i 022, deb9 is 027 |
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| 08:15.30 | Synaptic | ok will see tomorrow for this bluetooth |
| 08:15.34 | Synaptic | think all gone to sleep :D |
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| 08:26.41 | afidegnum | ghasem_: it only stripped the encloses and left the contents |
| 08:26.47 | afidegnum | which will result in an error |
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| 09:19.18 | Hagansire | hello |
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| 09:23.10 | Hagansire | hello |
| 09:23.15 | Hagansire | my favorite classic distro |
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| 09:23.33 | Hagansire | you got packagem management down before Red Hat could say Fedora |
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| 09:30.02 | diogenes_ | Hagansire, 26 years. |
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| 09:31.34 | Hagansire | SuSe is an abominatoin |
| 09:31.36 | Hagansire | so is Fedora |
| 09:32.28 | Hagansire | I use Deblian on my non work laptop and my boyfriend uses Kubuntu deskop which uses the package manager |
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| 09:34.36 | diogenes_ | aha |
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| 09:35.18 | diogenes_ | why not windows? :) |
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| 09:36.00 | Hagansire | I only use windows for work |
| 09:36.58 | diogenes_ | which is? |
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| 09:37.50 | Hagansire | fullstack web dev |
| 09:38.03 | Hagansire | even though Visual Studio Code runs on linux |
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| 09:38.13 | Hagansire | the company issues the laptops |
| 09:38.15 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 09:38.21 | Hagansire | so I get to play along |
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| 09:38.44 | diogenes_ | i see |
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| 09:42.12 | Fox | need to register/authenticate first |
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| 09:57.34 | rocketmagnet | jelly: i now have make-jpkg and the jdk.tar.gz file, how do i go from there ? |
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| 10:06.16 | rocketmagnet | question: i've added http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/binary-amd64/ to my sources.list - but apt-get does not find any packages located in the repo - what can be the issue here ? |
| 10:06.51 | Fox | you add ubuntu ppas to your debian install ? you're looking for trouble |
| 10:07.09 | rocketmagnet | how else can i install java oracle ? |
| 10:07.50 | rocketmagnet | i downloaded the .deb file from the oracle page and tried dpkg -i xyz-java.deb and it doesn't show me any errors but it does not install oracle java |
| 10:07.53 | Fox | I dunno, but I wouldn't use ubuntu software on my debian servers |
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| 10:12.05 | rocketmagnet | i found a server where i can get java11 from oracle with apt, thanks anyways |
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| 10:12.56 | humpled | i thought you wanted java 8 |
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| 10:26.14 | starbuck | Will I have the same system if I installed Debian Buster from an alpha ISO version and keep it updated with the official repository compared to installing it after it is released later this year? Or should I wait till release and install a fresh system? |
| 10:26.16 | diffy | what does firejail protect against?javascript attacks?side-channel attacks? |
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| 10:34.41 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've made changes that i've not yet commited and want them to be undone and the repo should be like the HEAD branch, how can i achieve that with git ? |
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| 10:37.04 | themill | rocketmagnet: running "git status" will often tell you what you can do next btw. (also, #git is over â) |
| 10:38.01 | rocketmagnet | ups -> wrong channel =) |
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| 11:54.09 | rant | I am experiencing what seems to be a total systemd failure https://termbin.com/lup5 ( cliffs-notes version: https://termbin.com/jd98 ) |
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| 11:57.45 | ksk | rant: wild guess: disk-failure? |
| 11:59.10 | rant | ksk: doesn't seem to be.. I removed one of the disks, the one I had mounted to /media/HGST3TB but I'd also stopped samba, nfs, removed it from fstab and exports .. so idk why it'd be causing total system failure because I removed a non-critical drive |
| 11:59.46 | rant | other than housing samba/nfs shares which I'd merged onto the other disk, it also had a 512MB swapfile on it |
| 12:00.07 | ksk | Did you try turning it off and on again? :X |
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| 12:00.25 | ksk | (the computer, I mean, and sorry for asking..) |
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| 12:01.38 | rant | well considering I can't do anything with systemd I didnt think that'd be a good idea |
| 12:01.50 | rant | since systemd is responsible for making the machine boot |
| 12:02.01 | rant | chances are rebooting will just brick the damn thing |
| 12:02.32 | rant | and its a thin client running off an internal m.2 ssd in my ceiling and that would be a royal pain in my ass if it doesnt boot |
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| 12:04.10 | aypea[1] | hi. where should I look to figure out why my path gets set to ':/bin' when I ssh in as a normal user? |
| 12:04.25 | aypea[1] | cos it's driving me mad :( |
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| 12:05.47 | Fox | aypea[1]: ~/.profile ? |
| 12:06.23 | aypea[1] | this is pre-profile it seems. the first line in /etc/profile is 'if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then' and it fails cos it cannot find 'id' |
| 12:06.53 | aypea[1] | in fact, ps auxwwe shows that the process is started with PATH=:/bin |
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| 12:15.27 | kalsan | Hi there! This is my first time on IRC, hope I'm using this correctly |
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| 12:15.50 | SwedeMike | kalsan: looking good so far. |
| 12:16.34 | kalsan | I'm trying to figure out why systemctl won't let me run it as a normal user. For instance, I cannot run systemctl --user mycommand because permissions are set to -r-s------ |
| 12:16.48 | kalsan | By permisssions I mean /bin/systemctl |
| 12:17.15 | olavx200 | change permissions? |
| 12:17.39 | kalsan | Which permissions are safE? |
| 12:17.45 | ayekat | -r-s------ for /bin/systemctl seems wrong - how did you end up with that? |
| 12:18.02 | kalsan | hahaha I never changed that :-D maybe Buster update broke them? |
| 12:18.07 | ayekat | regular -rwx-r-xr-x is fine (at least that's the default, I think) |
| 12:18.15 | kalsan | very interesting |
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| 12:18.49 | ayekat | (drop that - between the first x and r) |
| 12:19.17 | kalsan | chmod 755 did the trick! |
| 12:19.20 | ayekat | ugh, hexadecimals are easier - "0755 is fine" |
| 12:19.31 | ayekat | *octals |
| 12:19.47 | colo-work | 0755 is what the permissions are supposed to for that path |
| 12:19.50 | kalsan | thanks a lot! No idea how I ended up with these weird perms. Maybe I messed up something in Ansible |
| 12:20.17 | colo-work | maybe you fed a number to something that accepts permissions, and your octal notation got interpreted as base10 |
| 12:20.22 | colo-work | (or vice-versa) |
| 12:20.34 | colo-work | it's a common problem for leaky type abstractions |
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| 12:22.02 | kalsan | Interesting. I'll scrap the machine, let Ansible rebuild it and hunt the issue |
| 12:22.16 | kalsan | Thanks for your great help and have a nice day! |
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| 12:39.27 | samba35 | i add intel_iommu=on it /etc/default/grub and then i update grub and reboot but when i could not see expected outout i check with cat /proc/cmdline it show old grub |
| 12:39.38 | samba35 | any idea why ? |
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| 12:52.03 | ghasem_ | did you here use `surf` browser ? i will "zoom in" with `Ctrl+-` but i couldn't "zoom out" with `Ctrl++`. how to do it? |
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| 13:18.55 | horribleprogram | hello |
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| 13:19.45 | horribleprogram | obviously I'm way too smart to ask such a stupid question, but I'm just testing you guys. Why does the files I create in /var/www/, my apache2 server, always make it unable for me to save my changeas |
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| 13:20.19 | dvs | horribleprogram, your user is not a part of the www-data group? |
| 13:20.23 | horribleprogram | does the umask change or something? |
| 13:20.42 | horribleprogram | dvs: I guess not, but shouldn't the files I create, regardless of where they are, have always the same permissions |
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| 13:21.17 | horribleprogram | umask --> 022 |
| 13:21.33 | xormor | horribleprogram, they are only writable by the root user and perhaps the root group or www-data group by default. you need to either have root privileges or belong to the group root or www-data, or make it world-writable that would be a bad idea. |
| 13:21.53 | dvs | horribleprogram, nope. It also depends on the permissions of the directory they are being created in. |
| 13:21.57 | horribleprogram | OHH |
| 13:22.03 | horribleprogram | the directories permissions decide this |
| 13:22.12 | horribleprogram | so the directory itself has a group with it right? |
| 13:22.27 | dvs | yes |
| 13:22.30 | horribleprogram | and a user |
| 13:22.33 | horribleprogram | kk |
| 13:22.53 | horribleprogram | so basically, I'd either change the directory permissions, or make my user part of the group? |
| 13:23.21 | xormor | $ ls -l /var/www/html ---> "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8082 huhti 21 10:57 index.html" |
| 13:23.21 | dvs | horribleprogram, yes, but being part of the group is the preferred route. |
| 13:23.22 | horribleprogram | xormor suggests against making it word-writable |
| 13:23.31 | horribleprogram | kk |
| 13:23.34 | xormor | horribleprogram, it would be a bad idea, though. |
| 13:23.41 | horribleprogram | world* |
| 13:23.56 | horribleprogram | xormor: your group is root? |
| 13:24.02 | horribleprogram | lemme check mine |
| 13:24.32 | horribleprogram | yeah mine's the same |
| 13:24.32 | xormor | horribleprogram, $ ls -ld /var/www/html ---> "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 huhti 21 10:57 /var/www/html" |
| 13:24.35 | xormor | horribleprogram, yes. |
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| 13:24.54 | horribleprogram | so why is everyone talking about this weird www-data group |
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| 13:25.37 | horribleprogram | ls -ld /var/www/html ---> "drwxr-xr-x 2 root www-data 4096 huhti 21 10:57 /var/www/html" would make more sense |
| 13:25.43 | dvs | horribleprogram, because the www-data group is the group that owns /var/www |
| 13:25.53 | xormor | horribleprogram, so you should use "sudo starteditor filename" or "gksudo starteditor filename" or "su" and then start the editor. |
| 13:25.54 | horribleprogram | doesn't say so in the dir permissions |
| 13:26.07 | horribleprogram | xormor: sure, but that's annoying af |
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| 13:26.36 | horribleprogram | dvs: no root owns it |
| 13:26.38 | xormor | horribleprogram, $ ls -ld /var/www --> "drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 maalis 18 20:52 /var/www" |
| 13:26.44 | horribleprogram | ^ |
| 13:27.07 | horribleprogram | http://99.249.0.101/ |
| 13:27.23 | horribleprogram | I just set it up |
| 13:27.42 | horribleprogram | it's just a basic index.html skeleton |
| 13:27.53 | xormor | dvs, we are using the default configuration of apache2 and debian. there the "root" group owns all of those directories and files, /var/www/, /var/www/html/ and /var/www/html/index.html are owned by the "root" group. |
| 13:28.05 | horribleprogram | ^ |
| 13:28.24 | horribleprogram | maybe I should change those particular directories to a new group www-data, and add my user to that group |
| 13:28.50 | horribleprogram | can a directory have more than one group |
| 13:28.55 | dvs | no |
| 13:29.04 | horribleprogram | kk |
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| 13:29.37 | horribleprogram | i swear to god if one of u hack me because my website probably has 200 exploits I'll find you and destroy you |
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| 13:30.15 | xormor | horribleprogram, you need "chown root.www-data /var/www/* -R" and "chmod g+w /var/www/* -R" |
| 13:30.15 | horribleprogram | next question |
| 13:30.28 | horribleprogram | xormor: ik ... |
| 13:30.42 | horribleprogram | except the root.www-data syntax |
| 13:30.57 | horribleprogram | and next question, how do I make it www.horribleprogram.com |
| 13:31.06 | horribleprogram | I dont want it to be my IP address |
| 13:31.14 | horribleprogram | I already port forwarded it properly and set it up |
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| 13:31.39 | rany | horribleprogram, do you mean ServerName? |
| 13:31.44 | horribleprogram | yes |
| 13:31.45 | rany | or ServerAlias?? |
| 13:31.49 | horribleprogram | idk |
| 13:32.02 | horribleprogram | Do i make some sort of DNS request |
| 13:32.03 | rany | Wait, so how many vhost are you running? |
| 13:32.09 | horribleprogram | dude just 1 |
| 13:32.20 | horribleprogram | domain name |
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| 13:32.24 | horribleprogram | Do I have to buy such a thing |
| 13:32.54 | rany | horribleprogram, definitely |
| 13:33.06 | horribleprogram | what happened to free internet? |
| 13:33.08 | rany | looks like it is NXDOMAIN, so you are lucky |
| 13:33.15 | horribleprogram | rany: what do you mean? |
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| 13:33.29 | rany | horribleprogram, it isn't registered. you can purchase it |
| 13:33.37 | horribleprogram | rany: holy shit I'll do that today |
| 13:33.39 | rany | the internet is free, you just have to buy the domain name |
| 13:33.48 | horribleprogram | awesome |
| 13:33.58 | horribleprogram | if one of you steal my domain name I'll find you |
| 13:33.59 | rany | if you want to host something without a domain use a tor hidden service |
| 13:34.12 | horribleprogram | no no I want this to be accessible through google and whatnot |
| 13:34.18 | rany | ah ok... |
| 13:34.37 | horribleprogram | I'm just surprised it worked |
| 13:34.39 | horribleprogram | with minimal setup |
| 13:35.01 | rany | port forward is a pain to setup lol |
| 13:35.07 | rany | surprised it worked out for you easily |
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| 13:35.25 | horribleprogram | :D yeah |
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| 14:24.51 | horribleprogram | https://pastebin.com/4A5ijiYj |
| 14:25.15 | horribleprogram | this POS wants to play with me? |
| 14:25.21 | horribleprogram | 124.173.68.36 |
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| 14:25.58 | FinalX | just block him or get a WAF |
| 14:26.01 | Fox | chinese scans happen all the time |
| 14:26.08 | FinalX | or don't bother doing anything |
| 14:26.08 | JohnDoe2 | what's a waf? |
| 14:26.15 | FinalX | web application firewall, like mod_security and such |
| 14:26.15 | horribleprogram | WAF? |
| 14:26.23 | JohnDoe2 | oh I see |
| 14:26.25 | rany | horribleprogram, this is normal... if you are worried use mod_security and fail2ban |
| 14:26.33 | FinalX | https://modsecurity.org/ |
| 14:26.47 | FinalX | but, most of them come from computers that were taken over and won't be for long |
| 14:27.16 | horribleprogram | FinalX: this looks complicated |
| 14:27.16 | FinalX | and most webservers can deal with the requests just fine.. plus the IP's could be different every time.. so just blocking the IP won't really help much.. |
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| 14:27.34 | FinalX | you have two options, either get something like that working, or just keep your stuff updated and ignore it |
| 14:27.48 | FinalX | personally I usually advice people the latter of the two |
| 14:27.48 | horribleprogram | No, I take things personally, no one messes with me. |
| 14:27.56 | horribleprogram | this guy is going down |
| 14:27.58 | FinalX | and then what? you're going to do what exactly? |
| 14:28.17 | horribleprogram | report him to the chinese police |
| 14:28.21 | FinalX | if you attack that IP, you commit a crime. and not just that, you will often attack an innocent person's computer of someone that doesn't even know they've been abused either. |
| 14:28.36 | horribleprogram | Idc there's no extradition laws |
| 14:28.42 | Fox | you have your first vhost up for a couple of hours and already take thnigs personnaly ? you'd better leave internet |
| 14:28.44 | FinalX | haha, good luck on that one.. the Chinese government is involved in espionage and these things as well |
| 14:28.56 | rany | horribleprogram, btw you can use a fail2ban profile that reads http.log and bans too many 404 requests |
| 14:29.04 | FinalX | so /shrug .. I'd recommend to not waste your time on it |
| 14:29.07 | rany | access.log * |
| 14:29.14 | horribleprogram | rany: yeah that seems simpler than mod_security |
| 14:29.18 | rany | personally don't bother |
| 14:29.19 | FinalX | maintains load-balancers for over 10k websites |
| 14:29.34 | FinalX | I see this every second or so, and do my own pattern detection + filtering when necessary |
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| 14:29.48 | FinalX | but most of the times I just let it go... :) |
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| 14:31.33 | horribleprogram | I'm implementing fail2ban |
| 14:31.38 | horribleprogram | AND hunting this guy down |
| 14:31.41 | horribleprogram | ty for your input guys |
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| 14:32.26 | horribleprogram | 124.173.68.36 won't be able to open a web browser without his computer exploding |
| 14:32.35 | horribleprogram | goodbye and ty |
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| 14:33.42 | annadane | good grief |
| 14:33.46 | annadane | !next |
| 14:33.46 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 14:34.19 | rany | ;'( |
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| 14:42.01 | jelly | usually those bots work _for_ the government :-) |
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| 14:43.06 | rany | jelly, thanks... now i'm going to have nightmares |
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| 14:49.04 | EdePopede | or at least they were create *by* the government: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/25/us/nsa-hacking-tool-baltimore.html |
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| 14:52.50 | _Fremen_ | Hello everyone |
| 14:52.59 | _Fremen_ | I have been thinking of migrating to Debian KDE for a while, are there any guides that can help me make it more user friendly? Like in the case of Manjaro KDE? |
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| 14:55.02 | rany | EdePopede, that was an interesting read.. thanks for the link |
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| 14:56.17 | EdePopede | completely OT of course, only i can't resist a good timing ;) |
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| 14:58.57 | rany | _Fremen_, i never got to use manjaro.. but i don't see what is unfriendly about KDE on Debian Stretch |
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| 15:04.07 | _Fremen_ | rany: well, You first need to change your repo to testing from stable to get the latest KDE. then you need to install KDE-full package to install all of KDE (just like Manjaro maybe?) then finally, install and configure a time machine/backup tool to protect your installation. |
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| 15:04.39 | _Fremen_ | Are there any other steps I should do to make it better? |
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| 15:07.27 | EdePopede | manjaro seems to have a different package policy than debian. stable is "stable" because it usually stays with the versions from the freeze stage. which of course means that until the next release is about to reach stable status the upstream versions of software under develpopment usually has a clearly higher version number. |
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| 15:09.47 | _Fremen_ | EdePopede: yeah and to be honest, I prefer to sacrifice some stability for newer software versions. That's why I changed it to testing after installation. |
| 15:10.09 | _Fremen_ | by the way, which time machine or system restore tool do you guys use? |
| 15:10.51 | EdePopede | from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTestingâ Compared to stable and unstable, next-stable testing has the worst security update speed. Don't prefer testing if security is a concern. |
| 15:11.09 | EdePopede | that may also be an issue |
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| 15:12.03 | EdePopede | system restore? i install and uninstall with apt-get, didn't have any problems with it so far. |
| 15:12.13 | jelly | EdePopede: read "backup software" |
| 15:12.37 | jelly | time machine is OSX default backup tool. |
| 15:13.00 | RoyK | _Fremen_: Having worked in IT operation for a couple of decades, I don't really agree with sacrificing stability - but wth - if it's a simple thing and easy to reinstall, whatever :) |
| 15:13.20 | jelly | moves RoyK to Ops part of DevOps |
| 15:15.52 | jelly | _Fremen_: neither is a complete automated system restore, but good enough for a start: dirvish (one of a dozen rsync wrappers), restic (a bit smarter backup tool) |
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| 15:16.06 | jelly | that's what I use at home |
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| 15:17.51 | _Fremen_ | EdePopede: are you saying unstable have better security than testing? :) |
| 15:18.32 | EdePopede | _Fremen_: that's what the wiki suggests |
| 15:18.46 | _Fremen_ | RoyK: it is my home system so it is ok :) and I really would prefer use latest browser, libreoffice and KDE tbh :). |
| 15:19.14 | _Fremen_ | jelly: have you used Timeshift or deja-dub before? |
| 15:20.38 | _Fremen_ | EdePopede: hmm, if the same thing goes with stability as well, I would use unstable then, instead of testing, I will read about it later :). |
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| 15:24.01 | EdePopede | _Fremen_: they saying goes to expect sid breaking at any time. that's why it's called "unstable" ;) |
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| 15:25.19 | EdePopede | having newest versions from upstream *and* a stable system is something you can't get. testing things is a question of time, no matter how many people are involved in the process. |
| 15:25.25 | _Fremen_ | EdePopede: in that case, I will sacrifice some security for stability :D. |
| 15:25.51 | _Fremen_ | EdePopede: yep, it is always a trade off. |
| 15:26.02 | EdePopede | buster is about to come btw, so things shouldn't be that bad anymore |
| 15:26.25 | EdePopede | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 15:27.05 | jelly | yes, unstable has no security promise, while testing has worse |
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| 15:29.56 | _Fremen_ | EdePopede: thank you all for your help |
| 15:30.16 | EdePopede | glad to help |
| 15:30.17 | _Fremen_ | jelly: I will come back here if I have any problems in the future |
| 15:30.38 | _Fremen_ | I will check out other system restore software to pick the best one |
| 15:30.47 | _Fremen_ | have a nice day everyone :) |
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| 15:39.24 | _Fremen_ | I have another question, should I install this package? https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/meta-kde or this package? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kde-full |
| 15:39.33 | _Fremen_ | what is the difference? |
| 15:42.11 | themill | _Fremen_: you can't install a source package |
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| 16:11.59 | clouddancer | Hello, could someone help me to get platform io working on a debian 9 machine |
| 16:15.06 | annadane | clouddancer, be more specific? and don't ask to ask, just ask your question |
| 16:16.37 | clouddancer | okay |
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| 16:17.24 | clouddancer | arrgh ... I detected the problem by myself just in the moment omg how stupid I sonmetimes can be XD |
| 16:17.29 | clouddancer | thx a lot |
| 16:17.30 | clouddancer | bye |
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| 16:19.20 | jelly | !next |
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| 17:40.24 | JohnDoe2 | I have a UEFI only amd64 system (hp laptop). Installed Debian 9.9, selected to use the whole disk. Upon install finishing, I rebooted the machine which is now displaying a grub prompt. Am I missing something? |
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| 17:42.56 | rany | JohnDoe2, you mean there is no menu entry? |
| 17:43.18 | JohnDoe2 | yeah it seems to have forgotten about it |
| 17:43.19 | rany | if you have initrd and vmlinuz then you can boot up |
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| 17:44.14 | JohnDoe2 | I did, just gave me an error about mounting /dev/sda1 on root - no such device. It exists in /dev however |
| 17:46.21 | rany | JohnDoe2, huh.... odd... you can try running `fsck /dev/sda1` from a live cd |
| 17:47.37 | rany | if you end up booting up correctly run `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi` and `update-grub2` to fix the install |
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| 17:48.06 | JohnDoe2 | can I do that with a net install image? i.e. get to a prompt |
| 17:48.27 | rany | JohnDoe2, as long as the net install has fsck you should be good |
| 17:49.12 | rany | JohnDoe2, to get to a prompt open a tty by <ctrl>+<alt>+<f3> |
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| 17:51.37 | JohnDoe2 | got it |
| 17:51.50 | JohnDoe2 | fsck says it's clean however the system now states sda2 is the / |
| 17:52.01 | JohnDoe2 | so I'll try manually booting again from the grub console |
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| 17:53.48 | JohnDoe2 | ok great success, thanks rany |
| 17:54.07 | rany | JohnDoe2, did `grub-install` and `update-grub2` do the trick? |
| 17:55.01 | JohnDoe2 | nope |
| 17:55.05 | JohnDoe2 | but I can boot manually |
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| 17:55.17 | JohnDoe2 | I think it may be confused as to where to install it. there's an efi partition |
| 17:55.30 | rany | JohnDoe2, odd... can you send the output of `efibootmgr` to pastebin? |
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| 17:55.39 | rany | (as root) |
| 17:55.49 | JohnDoe2 | ok |
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| 17:57.50 | viqas | weird question - i did an apt-get upgrade last night, it updated maria db (mysql-common (1:10.3.15+maria~stretch) over (1:10.3.14+maria~stretch)) but now i am facing a slowdown on my wedding site and wrath from my fiancee |
| 17:57.59 | viqas | is there a way to roll it back |
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| 17:59.26 | Tenkawa | better question is to determine if thats actually whats causing the slowdown |
| 17:59.59 | viqas | that is a good question, i checked the error log in nginx |
| 18:00.10 | rany | the slowdown might be from mds mitigation, for example... |
| 18:00.29 | rany | if you got old microcode, then you will be stuck with slow software mitigation |
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| 18:00.42 | rhizome | why does mozilla hate bookmarks |
| 18:01.02 | Tenkawa | rhizome: eh? |
| 18:01.19 | rhizome | firefox, bookmarks, apparently enemies |
| 18:01.23 | viqas | it was pointing the finger to : "fastcgi://unix:/var/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock" |
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| 18:01.49 | rhizome | mozilla#firefox wants registered accounts for +v, just venting |
| 18:02.23 | Tenkawa | oh you mean on irc |
| 18:02.50 | rany | rhizome, but what does this have to do with bookmarks? |
| 18:02.53 | JohnDoe2 | https://paste.debian.net/1084186 I think I see the issue. old ubuntu entry was not wiped |
| 18:02.55 | rhizome | well, the browser sucks with bookmarks, but yeah they won't let me complain there. |
| 18:03.07 | Tenkawa | its registered account btw |
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| 18:03.36 | viqas | rhizome: because firefox thinks your hello kitty erotic fan fiction pages bookmarks suck? |
| 18:03.36 | rany | JohnDoe2, found your problem... you must change your boot order |
| 18:03.38 | rhizome | they don't say how to register or i would have and saved you all of my noise. |
| 18:03.44 | viqas | /s |
| 18:04.17 | JohnDoe2 | ok |
| 18:04.41 | rhizome | if they can distinguish between forums.mozilla and my hello kitty porn, they can make a usable bookmarks UI |
| 18:05.25 | rhizome | google isn't giving me any love for "firefox hates bookmarks" ...i must be the only one. |
| 18:05.32 | rany | JohnDoe2, run `efibootmgr -o 0002,0000,2002,2004,3001,2001,0001` and `efibootmgr -Bb 1` |
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| 18:05.46 | rany | (as root ) |
| 18:05.50 | viqas | rhizome: i hate book marks in general - i only use the tool bar and mines a mess |
| 18:05.57 | JohnDoe2 | oh thank you I was googling how to do it :) |
| 18:06.09 | rany | JohnDoe2, welcome :D |
| 18:06.20 | rany | send me your command output before rebooting |
| 18:06.28 | rhizome | viqas: a decent bookmarks UI is the solution for that! |
| 18:06.55 | rhizome | i bet IE nails it, i'll check next time I'm at a win box |
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| 18:09.37 | JohnDoe2 | initially it complained about 2004 not existing, so I omitted that. Then it gave me 0002,0000,2002,3001,2001,0001 as stated. Then after -Bb 1 it made ubuntu disappear and omitted 0001 at the end of the list. |
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| 18:10.30 | rany | JohnDoe2, so the boot order shows 0002 as first? |
| 18:10.46 | rany | if so reboot ! |
| 18:10.49 | JohnDoe2 | yup |
| 18:10.49 | JohnDoe2 | ok |
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| 18:12.58 | JohnDoe2 | well that's awkward, I'm still getting the grub menu. I videotaped the screen to catch that error that appears before the grub menu. it says "error: no such device: fe44ab28-" |
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| 18:21.55 | JohnDoe2 | ok seems I was on the right path. if I select the boot device manually, I get 2 entries for the same single internal ssd. First one is ubuntu, second one is debian |
| 18:22.17 | JohnDoe2 | no idea how to remove the first, maybe wipe the efi partition and run grub-install again? |
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| 18:31.53 | jhutchins | JohnDoe2: Also need to run update-grub |
| 18:32.28 | jhutchins | rany: Hey, if you know about UEFI boot: I get "Invalid partition table |
| 18:32.49 | jhutchins | " when I boot mine. If I press any key it continues with a normal boot. |
| 18:33.00 | jhutchins | rany: Any idea how to fix? |
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| 18:36.38 | rany | jhutchins, sorry if this may seem silly but are you booting in uefi mode... usually mbr matters if you are doing csm boot. check you bios settings |
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| 18:36.43 | rany | csm might be called legacy boot |
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| 18:38.13 | somiaj | jhutchins: Is your partition table MBR or GPT? |
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| 18:39.58 | rany | somiaj, does uefi require gpt? i've had no problems with booting mbr partitions in uefi mode |
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| 18:40.49 | somiaj | It doesn't require GPT, but if using MBR you have to kinda 'hack' it to make it an EFI partition on MBR and work with it |
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| 18:43.39 | somiaj | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFI_system_partition#MBR_partitioned_disks kinda explains it |
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| 18:45.49 | rany | somiaj, Thank you. Well, I wouldn't call that a 'hack'... |
| 18:46.26 | rany | I use parted and never knew the difference |
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| 18:47.07 | rany | more like noticed... |
| 18:47.07 | JohnDoe2 | jhutchins ran that several times :) |
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| 18:54.18 | jhutchins | Funny thing is it complains then continues. |
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| 18:55.31 | rany | jhutchins, well, can it be some usb drive trying to boot up first? |
| 18:55.50 | jhutchins | ope, only one drive. |
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| 18:55.51 | rany | check your boot order |
| 18:56.09 | rany | grr.. strange. At least you are getting to boot up ;) |
| 18:56.37 | rany | Bye |
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| 19:12.28 | magic_ninja | I need to find a system-restore like solution with a nice easy-to-manage GUI. I'm more worried about system config getting messed up than I am losing my data. |
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| 19:21.20 | rant | I am experiencing what seems to be a total systemd failure https://termbin.com/lup5 ( cliffs-notes version: https://termbin.com/jd98 ) |
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| 19:35.33 | jmcnaught | rant: is it an AMD CPU with the rdrand flag, and had the computer been suspended? It sounds a lot like https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11810 |
| 19:39.25 | jhutchins | Actually on the device now. fdisk shows a gpt partition table. BIOS is set to boot in legacy mode. If I switch to UEFI it says no bootable device. |
| 19:39.43 | jhutchins | fdisk does not appear to have the option to mark a boot flag in gpt. |
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| 19:41.27 | jhutchins | Ok, parted shows the efi partition has the boot flag set. Is this correct? |
| 19:41.44 | rant | jmcnaught: it /is/ an AMD G-series SoC but it had not been suspended |
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| 19:43.23 | rant | jmcnaught: I removed one of two disks I had on a USB dock I was using for file sharing.. the /media/HGST3TB, I had stopped nfs, samba, did swapoff on the swapfile that was on the disk, moved all the data from it to the other drive, removed it from fstab and exports, and did exportfs -a and unmounted the disk |
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| 19:44.14 | jhutchins | It appears that the efi partition is correctly the one with the boot flag. |
| 19:44.26 | rant | if this was the cause, systemd is total shit.. I went through every process of properly removing a non-essential disk and now the entire system is broken |
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| 19:45.48 | rant | jmcnaught: there is no X on this machine at all |
| 19:46.54 | jhutchins | rant: Millions of happy systemd users would seem to argue against your statement. |
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| 19:47.41 | rant | jhutchins: there is nothing to argue with this.. if in fact removing a USB media from /media caused the ENTIRE SYSTEM to fail, its shit. |
| 19:47.51 | jmcnaught | rant: which Debian suite is it? |
| 19:47.58 | jhutchins | rant: It's likely grub is the culprit, not systemd. |
| 19:48.00 | rant | I'm still not convinced it is the cause |
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| 19:48.13 | rant | I dont see how grub has anything to do with this |
| 19:48.20 | rant | the system has been up over two months |
| 19:48.27 | rant | the issue just occured within the last week |
| 19:48.44 | rant | jmcnaught: it is running buster amd64 |
| 19:48.49 | jmcnaught | maybe ask in #systemd, they might have seen that 'Failed to set invocation ID for unit: File exists' error before |
| 19:49.52 | jhutchins | rant: Have you commented out any nfs mounts in your fstab (assuming you're not automounting)? |
| 19:49.55 | rant | I googled the crap out of that error got nowhere. I think this is related to dependencies.. some domino fell and then they all fell |
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| 19:51.31 | rant | jhutchins: as I said, and my history reflects, when I removed that disk, I did swapoff /media/HGST3TB/swap, commented out the lines for that disk in exports and fstab, did the exportfs -a, stopped nfs and samba, changed all samba entries to point to the new locations on /media/WL3TB and then unmounted the disk |
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| 19:53.18 | jhutchins | rant: I repeat my question. Have you disabled all network filesystem mounts? |
| 19:53.35 | jhutchins | rant: Also, which release and kernel are you on? |
| 19:54.09 | rant | jhutchins: I'm not going to repeat my answer.. cause its obvious from looking at the log, samba, nfs, and everything else can't start.. and I already said I stopped them and redid their configs |
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| 19:54.43 | rant | its the stock buster kernel 4.19.0-2-amd64 |
| 19:54.52 | jhutchins | Well, there you go. |
| 19:54.59 | jhutchins | !debian-next |
| 19:54.59 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:55.30 | jhutchins | It's fairly likely to be kernel related. |
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| 19:56.41 | jhutchins | rant: "I redid the configs" does not directly answer what I asked. It appears to be attempting to mount network filesystems. |
| 19:56.59 | jhutchins | rant: You appear more interested in complaining than in solving the problem though, so I'm done. |
| 19:58.21 | rant | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/1084191/ |
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| 20:00.47 | rant | thats not complaining thats restating the obvious.. I said multiple times I shut them down and changed their configs and I already showed they wont restart |
| 20:01.08 | rant | so if you know how something can be mounting shares when its not running, then you know something I dont |
| 20:02.30 | rant | I'll ask again later in #debian-next and #systemd since this is obviously beyond our scope.. |
| 20:04.23 | somiaj | jhutchins: I think efi partitions might need more than a 'boot flag', for a GPT partition table esp flag/efi flag as well. |
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| 20:04.59 | somiaj | what the flag is called seems to varry a bit depending on which partition tool you are using. |
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| 20:14.11 | Synaptic | hello to all |
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| 20:17.52 | tehnull | Kill your family |
| 20:18.02 | tehnull | in the most painful way imaginable |
| 20:18.07 | somiaj | tehnull: no need to feed the trolls |
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| 20:24.04 | Synaptic | lol |
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| 20:30.25 | humpled | that's pure troll love |
| 20:31.15 | jhutchins | somiaj: efi flag is there too. |
| 20:32.37 | somiaj | jhutchins: maybe its an issue with your firmware, I know some uefi firmware is buggy. |
| 20:32.59 | somiaj | or check your firmware configuration. It seems your firmware is catching something that makes it think it can't boot, but then boots anyways. |
| 20:33.54 | jhutchins | I messed with it a bit, toggled non-existant boot devices, didn't get anywhere. |
| 20:34.19 | jhutchins | I have yet to build a successful EFI Debian. |
| 20:34.40 | somiaj | is this on multiple machines/firmware, or just this one? |
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| 20:34.47 | jhutchins | I have an HP that has something that's incompatible with grub-install. |
| 20:34.56 | somiaj | I personaly have no issue with UEFI on the 3-4 machines I've isntalled it on |
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| 20:35.26 | somiaj | for me, provided I boot the installer in EFI mode, it 'just works'. |
| 20:35.32 | jhutchins | This particular symptom just one Del Lattitude 6430u |
| 20:35.41 | somiaj | on my desktop I converted from legacy to efi took me a bit of fiddiling around though. |
| 20:36.01 | somiaj | Hmm, I've installed UEFI just fine on multiple dell machiens at work, 2 desktops and 2 laptops |
| 20:36.32 | somiaj | works just fine on my lattidue 3380 here. |
| 20:37.33 | jhutchins | When buster comes out I'll do a clean install, see how it goes from scratch. |
| 20:37.56 | jhutchins | Basically all I use this for is browser and ssh. |
| 20:38.51 | jhutchins | I only boot it for new kernels (or messing with EFI), so having to hit a key to boot is not a big deal. |
| 20:41.01 | jhutchins | I wonder if VMWare offers an EFI boot mode... |
| 20:41.44 | somiaj | even qemu does |
| 20:42.05 | somiaj | though I think you need some sort of uefi virtual firmware for this, and on my vms I don't have it installed, but I see the option in virt-manager |
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| 20:42.56 | jhutchins | Seems like the whole BIOS/EFI layer is handled by the hypervisor anyway, just go directly to the bootloader. |
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| 21:05.45 | Synaptic | When buster will become the new stable, (in the next few months), me, that im running on the current stretch, in order to update to the new stable, i will just need to use "apt update" ? |
| 21:07.03 | Nickholas_The_Ga | hi all. i'm having problems with my personal assistant, Debbie. I keep telling her that I need to google maps a place to eat, but I'm getting all of these errors about cores fragmented and misplaced memory files, as well as a fault in ultra threading. should I just recap my mobo? i'm afraid that might melt the blast processing emulation chip. does |
| 21:07.04 | Nickholas_The_Ga | anyone have any experience in this? is it safe? help appreciated, thanks :) |
| 21:08.05 | Synaptic | the only help i can give you is to find a place where to eat.... |
| 21:08.17 | Synaptic | but for sure somebody more xperienced then me will help you :) |
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| 21:09.00 | somiaj | Synaptic: yes you can upgrade from stretch to buster once it is released, but apt update is only one part |
| 21:09.05 | Nickholas_The_Ga | heh, maybe~ ;) catch me later, i'll buy you a beer x3 |
| 21:09.36 | Synaptic | somiaj, so apt update and dist-upgrade without needed to change the sources |
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| 21:09.42 | Synaptic | gotcha |
| 21:09.53 | Nickholas_The_Ga | does anyone here know how to help me out with this? |
| 21:10.06 | somiaj | well you should have 'stretch' in your sources, and need to change it to 'buster'. If you have 'stable' in your sources, that is not recommended at all. |
| 21:10.06 | Synaptic | Nickholas_The_Ga, if they know they will read and they will reply to you |
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| 21:10.22 | Nickholas_The_Ga | ok thank you :) ;) |
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| 21:11.14 | somiaj | if you see lots of errors about bad cores in 'dmesg' you may just have a bad cpu/mobo. |
| 21:11.36 | Synaptic | somiaj, those are my current sources https://paste.debian.net/1084201/ |
| 21:12.01 | Nickholas_The_Ga | i tried that on my windows command prompt, but it gave me an error, sorry. I'll see about replacing the blast processor chip tomorrow. |
| 21:12.54 | annadane | #debianrestaurantsuggestions |
| 21:13.06 | somiaj | Synaptic: Yea those are good sources, you'll have to change stretch to buster before you upgrade. This is what you want, as you should only dot he upgrade when you have the time to do it right (and be prepared for the case it breaks -- usually it doesn't but it can) |
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| 21:14.11 | Synaptic | ko |
| 21:14.28 | Synaptic | if i will change it now to buster im going to upgrade to the unstable |
| 21:14.32 | Synaptic | need to do it when it become stable |
| 21:14.33 | Synaptic | ok |
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| 21:14.41 | Synaptic | testing |
| 21:14.46 | Synaptic | sry... not unstt |
| 21:15.00 | somiaj | no buster is testing, and yes |
| 21:15.15 | Synaptic | yey just got confused |
| 21:15.18 | Synaptic | :) |
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| 21:18.43 | trCody | hello community, i'm on debian 9 since some time and i'm thinking about deb sid (testing) as main os.. someone doing this and have some experience in this? like how often does it crash? is it usefull as a main os? vanishing programms? etc |
| 21:18.59 | Nickholas_The_Ga | Synaptic, every time i look at you, i fail to comprehend how a neanderthal like you could have even a single synapse fire any minute. if yuou open your fucking mouth one more time, I will shit directly into it. I will cum straight to your house and remove the blast processing unit straight from your frame. |
| 21:19.26 | trCody | some content would be nice |
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| 21:20.16 | ganoush | trCody, i have ran sid for a while, don't recommend it though |
| 21:20.40 | somiaj | trCody: sid is unstable, not testing. |
| 21:20.45 | Synaptic | lol? |
| 21:20.49 | Synaptic | why it was upset with me? |
| 21:21.01 | trCody | oh it's actually named unstable :P |
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| 21:21.07 | trCody | y |
| 21:21.35 | trCody | ok noted |
| 21:21.38 | somiaj | trCody: if you run sid, packages in sid will break. Many use it as their main desktop just fine. But one should knwo debian well to do this, and one should expect that they spend time fixing their computer instead of using their computer. |
| 21:22.06 | somiaj | trCody: if, when, how it breaks always changes. Sometimes the fixes are easy, others they are not. |
| 21:22.49 | trCody | thx helped me a lot |
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| 21:23.30 | somiaj | I personally learned a lot in my years of running sid, and when it works, it works fine. |
| 21:25.23 | trCody | i think i test is with a sec hhd to try it out, also do you have some information about the full freeze in deb 10? |
| 21:25.34 | ganoush | in my case, "when" it works was not an option... got myself in trouble when evolution scrambled some emails around |
| 21:26.56 | ganoush | that was the end of the experiment, fallen back to stable ever since, sometimes with backports |
| 21:27.05 | hypn0 | there are sid based distros - vsido, etc |
| 21:27.05 | somiaj | trCody: what info do you want, you can look up the freeze schedule, but testing right now is close to stable, and the only changes are going to be mostly rc bug fixes. So if you want something with newer software than stretch, but don't want to wait for buster's relase, running it right now will mostly be just fine, minus timely security fixes. |
| 21:27.43 | Synaptic | actually what new things are on buster instead of stretch? |
| 21:27.52 | Synaptic | i mean, important ones |
| 21:27.59 | annadane | kernel, desktop environments... |
| 21:28.11 | Synaptic | also kde is new? |
| 21:28.14 | annadane | newer x/newer nvidia... |
| 21:28.15 | annadane | yep |
| 21:28.29 | Synaptic | where can i read list of all differencews? |
| 21:28.34 | annadane | actually not certain about nvidia |
| 21:28.36 | Synaptic | i think isaw something n distrowatch |
| 21:28.39 | annadane | wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster |
| 21:28.53 | annadane | that doesn't list much, though |
| 21:29.31 | Synaptic | maybe my bluetooth will work on buster |
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| 21:29.34 | Synaptic | who know.. |
| 21:29.40 | somiaj | Synaptic: be hard to list all the differences, there have been lots of major software transitions since stretch was released into buster. |
| 21:29.58 | annadane | Synaptic, if you just need bluetooth to work you can try the kernel from stretch-backports |
| 21:30.38 | trCody | well i'll stick in this chan, u are nice :D |
| 21:30.57 | trCody | well for my only profanity |
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| 21:32.58 | trCody | dosen't work on stretch (2me) tried to get it working for days |
| 21:33.28 | Synaptic | bluetooth u mean? |
| 21:33.34 | Synaptic | me neither is not working on stretch |
| 21:33.38 | Synaptic | showing no device.. |
| 21:33.53 | Synaptic | but i would like to know if maybe on buster they changed something maybe they add some firmw |
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| 21:34.44 | hypn0 | you might need to install something |
| 21:35.31 | somiaj | Synaptic: try to see why it is not beign detected (make sure it isn't a firmware issue, which might be fixable on stretch) |
| 21:35.57 | Synaptic | the problem is that i cannpot find proper guide for my card |
| 21:36.02 | somiaj | Synaptic: but in general almost all drivers are included in the linux kernel, installing the 4.19 kernel from stretch-backports will see if the kernel supports that hardware. If it doesn't, it won't in buster either. |
| 21:36.10 | Synaptic | for debian, found something for mint, but i dont want to mess with it |
| 21:39.22 | Synaptic | on last mint release i remember it was working.. i think |
| 21:39.27 | Synaptic | wich kernel is it using? |
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| 21:39.50 | somiaj | I don't know, look it up. But trying a backports kernel isn't that hard and will quickly tell you if it supports the hardware or not |
| 21:40.01 | raidghost | I wonder why i getting "Multicore Par2 Not available" when its allready installed |
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| 21:40.42 | Synaptic | somiaj, somebody told me to avoid to backport too much.... but you can tell me way to do it? |
| 21:41.40 | somiaj | well one should only use backports for software one needs (not just blinding install stuff from there because it is newer). In this case a newer kenrel is something you may need for that hardware |
| 21:41.56 | somiaj | also kernesl are quite standalone packages, not much issue in getting one from stretch backports |
| 21:41.57 | ganoush | apt pinning |
| 21:41.57 | apt | pinning is probably 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
| 21:42.00 | somiaj | !stretc-backports |
| 21:42.00 | Synaptic | 4.15 has last mint |
| 21:42.04 | somiaj | !stretch-backports |
| 21:42.05 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 21:42.44 | somiaj | Synaptic: go follow those instructions, once you have the stretch-backports sources added, apt update, then apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 |
| 21:43.03 | Synaptic | k |
| 21:43.21 | Synaptic | strwetch wich kernel it is? |
| 21:43.25 | Synaptic | stretch* |
| 21:44.19 | Synaptic | i will try that anywy |
| 21:44.39 | hypn0 | I got 4.14.x |
| 21:45.06 | jhutchins | Synaptic: Is your PA software something from debian? |
| 21:45.28 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:45.29 | somiaj | Synaptic: that will pull in the latest stretch-backports kernel which is 4.19 |
| 21:45.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-3~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); |
| 21:45.30 | judd | wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 21:45.33 | velix | Wait wh00t: No "checkinstall" on buster/testing? |
| 21:46.23 | jhutchins | ,v checkinstall |
| 21:46.24 | judd | Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; stretch: 1.6.2-4 |
| 21:46.37 | velix | :D |
| 21:46.42 | velix | Crazy new world. |
| 21:46.46 | jhutchins | ! why is checkinstall not in buster? |
| 21:46.47 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jhutchins |
| 21:46.55 | jhutchins | !why is checkinstall not in buster? |
| 21:46.57 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jhutchins |
| 21:47.01 | velix | ! why is checkinstall not in testing? |
| 21:47.01 | dpkg | checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=checkinstall |
| 21:47.01 | somiaj | ,v stow |
| 21:47.02 | judd | Package: stow on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.0-2; buster: 2.2.2-1; sid: 2.2.2-1; stretch: 2.2.2-1 |
| 21:47.08 | jhutchins | ,why is checkinstall not in buster? |
| 21:47.09 | judd | No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 21:47.15 | velix | jhutchins: stop! :D |
| 21:47.19 | somiaj | velix: there is stow as an altenrative. |
| 21:47.20 | velix | jhutchins: it's "testing", not buster. |
| 21:47.28 | velix | somiaj: Stow is someting complete different. |
| 21:47.36 | velix | somiaj: But sture, I use stow ;) |
| 21:47.40 | velix | sure* |
| 21:48.00 | somiaj | velix: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=878487 |
| 21:48.02 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/878487 in checkinstall (open, patch, upstream): «checkinstall: Segmentation fault when invoking `checkinstall cmake -P cmake_install.cmake`»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-10-14; last modified: 2017-10-14. |
| 21:48.26 | somiaj | velix: I thought they served similar purpose, of manging source installs in /usr/local |
| 21:48.27 | Synaptic | somiaj, after put source backports and install it, i need to remove that source? or keep it there? |
| 21:48.44 | velix | somiaj: checkinstall is creating deb files. |
| 21:48.55 | somiaj | Synaptic: the source is setup safely that it can stay there. Note the command I gave you to isntall from it had a -t stretch-backports in it. Packages will only be installed from there if you explicity ask |
| 21:48.57 | velix | somiaj: So you can distribute it to other computers. |
| 21:49.10 | Synaptic | ok |
| 21:49.24 | jhutchins | Synaptic: No harm in leaving it there, you will get updates to only packages installed from backports (from backports). |
| 21:49.29 | velix | somiaj & jhutchins: I'm really in a small shock... checkinstall is damn useful. |
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| 21:49.30 | Synaptic | somiaj, now im at work with work pc, once i reach my debian laptop maybe i will ask you again this command |
| 21:49.34 | Synaptic | or i can save it |
| 21:50.04 | Synaptic | , apt update, then apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 |
| 21:50.06 | Synaptic | here it it |
| 21:50.10 | Synaptic | correct? |
| 21:50.30 | jhutchins | velix: I hadn't seen your (correct) syntax for the query. I can never remember it. |
| 21:51.04 | velix | jhutchins: Hehe, no problem. You've helped me. |
| 21:51.32 | velix | Seems like checkinstall won't make it in final release, since it's frozen? |
| 21:51.50 | velix | Just used the one from sid, works on buster. |
| 21:51.50 | somiaj | velix: check that bug report I linked, if you can fix that bug maybe it will be added. It also may appear in buster-backports after the release. |
| 21:52.06 | jhutchins | Yeah, what somiaj said. |
| 21:52.11 | velix | somiaj: yeah, this might confuse many users :/ |
| 21:52.35 | somiaj | hmm, wonder why they didn't try to fix it, says it was fixed upstream. Maybe the matainer didn't have time to get a new package in before the freeze (That is an older bug) |
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| 21:52.40 | jhutchins | If they're using checkinstall they should be able to figure it out. |
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| 21:53.01 | velix | jhutchins: true, true. |
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| 21:54.43 | somiaj | yea, the fact that the bug report had no reply, seems the matainer doesn't consider this a priority for debian. There hasn't been any updates to check install since 2013 |
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| 21:55.09 | velix | Seems like docker has taken over ;) |
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| 21:56.46 | somiaj | velix: yea, just looks like no one is using it much anymore, last major release was 2013, there have been some bug fixes, but I think due to limited upstream support they just removed it (maybe in favor of newer tools which you may want to look into). If what you want is to nicely make .debs from source, debian helper has improved a lot. |
| 21:57.15 | somiaj | On the webpage, last new istem was 2011 |
| 21:57.32 | somiaj | and 1.6.2 (version in strech) was released in 2009 |
| 21:58.07 | velix | somiaj: perhaps there's an alternative I don't know. Thanks for investigating it |
| 21:58.59 | jhutchins | Too bad you can't use checkinstall to install it. |
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| 22:00.14 | Synaptic | any way (except try it) to see if kernel 4.19 support a certain hardware? |
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| 22:01.55 | jhutchins | Synaptic: Review changelogs, review kernel code, configuration options, get the pciid of the hardware and google. |
| 22:01.58 | somiaj | Synaptic: get the actual chipset of your hardware and look up what kernel version first had support. |
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| 22:04.24 | Synaptic | https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_4.19 |
| 22:04.30 | Synaptic | here found changes and new supported hardware |
| 22:04.44 | somiaj | Sure, but you also ahve to look at 4.18, 4.17, all the way down to 4.10 |
| 22:04.55 | somiaj | It is better to figure out exactly what chipset you have and figure out if/when linux kernel supported it |
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| 22:08.57 | Synaptic | chipset is RT3290 |
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| 22:11.19 | Synaptic | https://launchpad.net/~blaze/+archive/ubuntu/rtbth-dkms |
| 22:11.26 | Synaptic | found this but i dont know if can apply to stretch |
| 22:11.34 | Synaptic | its made for ubuntu |
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| 22:13.15 | Synaptic | https://archie94.github.io/blogs/ralink-rt-3290-bluetooth-kernel-module |
| 22:13.18 | Synaptic | and here its the same |
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| 22:17.48 | somiaj | Synaptic: Is that your wirless or bluetooth chip, or are they the same. 'lsmod | grep rt' what sort of modules are loaded any like rt2800 or rt3290? |
| 22:18.01 | somiaj | it appears support has been around for this for a while, so if that is your chipset, I don't think upgrading the kernel will help much. |
| 22:18.48 | Synaptic | rt3290 |
| 22:18.52 | Synaptic | wifi and bluetooth together |
| 22:18.56 | Synaptic | but wifi work great |
| 22:19.09 | Synaptic | just needed to isntall the ralink firma |
| 22:20.27 | somiaj | hmm, looks like maybe the bluetooth needs an additional driver that might not be present in 4.9 |
| 22:20.43 | Synaptic | damn... is a almost 5 years old pc. and still drivers missing |
| 22:20.52 | Synaptic | and asus... one of the best |
| 22:21.18 | somiaj | A lot just depends on the hardware that is choosen, the wifi is fine, maybe bluetooth wasn't a high priority with that card. |
| 22:21.23 | Synaptic | but i know i made it work on a previous distro |
| 22:21.48 | Synaptic | but i dont remember how and wich one it was |
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| 22:21.56 | Synaptic | but was something related with this rtbh |
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| 22:24.01 | Synaptic | somiaj, right now im running 4.10 ? |
| 22:24.05 | Synaptic | because |
| 22:24.07 | Synaptic | <tomreyn> from what i just read, it's supported since Linux 4.13. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS comes with Linux 4.15 by default. |
| 22:24.18 | Synaptic | maybe he has reason |
| 22:24.23 | Synaptic | should be good to try backport |
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| 22:27.51 | somiaj | Synaptic: you should be running 4.09 if running stretch |
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| 22:28.35 | somiaj | also it appears some third party module is needed to get bluetooth to work with that, rtbth, which doesn't seem to be included int he main line kernel. It would require a bit of work to get it to work in debian from what I'm reading, not something I would suggest with your current skill level (unless you really really wanto bluetooth, I woudl just go without) |
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| 22:31.29 | Synaptic | ok |
| 22:31.41 | Synaptic | no i just use it to connect my bose speaker |
| 22:31.44 | Synaptic | i will sue aux cable |
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| 22:34.05 | wonderworld | hey, i have got a problem with iptables. a have a pretty simple setup -> https://pastebin.com/AeDbTSdS. i want to allow traffic thru interface tun0 only. all other traffic should be dropped. but my rules also drop tun0 traffic? |
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| 22:40.10 | jordanm | wonderworld: I would guess that the traffic to and from the vpn endpoint goes through a different interface |
| 22:40.11 | dvs | wonderworld, it looks like you'll only allow traffic to go out of tun0 but not get i. |
| 22:40.37 | dvs | n |
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| 22:44.15 | wonderworld | hmm, i added iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -i tun0 for testing |
| 22:44.16 | wonderworld | still nothing |
| 22:46.01 | dvs | maybe you need input for lo too? (Probably not related) |
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| 22:54.27 | ganoush | wonderworld, start with the policy accept on all interfaces, then start closing untill you start loosing packets |
| 22:54.53 | ganoush | thaT would be one way to get it |
| 22:55.22 | ganoush | goes off to wonder land... bye |
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| 23:29.35 | HexTolens | About a year ago it was announced that Debian buster would be released in mid-2019 ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html ). Is there newer information on the release time line? |
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| 23:36.17 | annadane | HexTolens, when the release critical bugs are fixed (i think there's under 100 at this point without patches) or those packages are removed for not timely fixing them |
| 23:36.27 | annadane | no one knows for sure but i guess it'll be june/july |
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| 23:39.39 | HexTolens | Ok thanks |
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| 23:48.39 | tmroland | hi |
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| 23:59.14 | TTT | hi, I have a problem on one of computers. If I do "ifconfig xxx down" on an USB-ethernet device, it doesn't come back up if I do "ifconfig xxx up". Seems to get suspended or something? Happens on one PC I own, doesn't happen on another. Tried two USB-ethernet devices, both work the same way |
| 23:59.18 | dvs | bets on June |
| 23:59.32 | TTT | I don't have tlp nor laptop-mode-tools installed on that machine |
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