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| 15:36.06 | lessless | what audio system should one install nowdays? Is it still ALSA? |
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| 15:38.44 | jmcnaught | lessless: you probably don't need to install ALSA. Also most people are probably using pulseaudio on top of ALSA, but if you install a desktop environment that will probably be configured automatically for you. |
| 15:39.12 | lessless | nope, not on desktop. Just a small ARM box and Native Instruments sound card |
| 15:39.15 | lessless | for mopidy |
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| 15:49.35 | BCMM | lessless: if you've just got one audio output and one program playing audio, there's no reason to not just use alsa directly |
| 15:49.59 | lessless | that's exactly my setup |
| 15:50.05 | BCMM | pulse would just be additional overhead in that case |
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| 15:50.38 | BCMM | (pulse still uses alsa as the backend for actually making sound come out, on typical installations - it's just a userspace daemon that mixes sound and lets you choose which alsa device to send it to) |
| 15:50.59 | BCMM | and depending on just how small the arm is, it can have significant cpu overhead |
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| 15:51.40 | lessless | thanks! |
| 15:51.46 | lessless | that makes sense |
| 15:52.49 | BCMM | lessless: i'm assuming that you're more-or-less configuring stuff yourself here. if you're using software or a distro that really wants you to use pulse, it might be kind of a pain to avoid it |
| 15:53.55 | lessless | nah, nothing really special. there are no hidden dependencies and I didn't start to setup mopidy yet. Just doing a groundwork |
| 15:54.07 | humpled | i just have alsa and mpd and no desktop |
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| 15:57.01 | lessless | humpled are you using USB sound card? |
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| 15:57.16 | humpled | no |
| 15:57.52 | humpled | except on the laptop, there pulse has helped tbh |
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| 15:58.23 | humpled | but also it makes things more complicated so i dunno |
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| 15:59.07 | lessless | I don't see any controls for a soundcard in alsamixer and wonder if it supposed to be so :\ |
| 15:59.16 | lessless | module is loaded https://www.alsa-project.org/wiki/Matrix:Module-usb-caiaq |
| 15:59.46 | lessless | although modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss are not found |
| 15:59.52 | lessless | should I build them? :\ |
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| 16:02.09 | wwilliam | what is that option that you use in /etc/fstab for nfs so the network is up before it tries to mount the nfs;s? |
| 16:02.45 | greycat | Make sure the interface uses "auto" rather than "allow-hotplug" in /etc/network/interfaces and it'll probably work. |
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| 16:03.01 | wwilliam | Ok greycat thanks |
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| 16:05.38 | wwilliam | STARTMODE='auto' |
| 16:05.47 | wwilliam | That one? |
| 16:05.58 | greycat | I cannot even guess what you're talking about. |
| 16:06.22 | wwilliam | !paste |
| 16:06.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:06.29 | greycat | Your interfaces in /e/n/i (if they are in fact defined in /e/n/i at all, and not controlled by network-manager or systemd-networkd) have lines like "auto eno1" or "allow-hotplug eth0". |
| 16:06.47 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/300424e7/ |
| 16:07.04 | wwilliam | Suse sorry |
| 16:07.16 | wwilliam | my bad |
| 16:07.19 | greycat | Then you're in the wrong channel. |
| 16:07.35 | wwilliam | I forgot i was in the suse box |
| 16:07.39 | wwilliam | sorry |
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| 16:56.08 | nixew | How to "ls" so it shows sizes of directories including everything (files & folders) in each directory? |
| 16:56.23 | greycat | du -sh * or du -sk * |
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| 16:57.22 | greycat | if you want it sorted for example, du -sk * | sort -n |
| 16:57.28 | han-solo | will it show hidden files (.cache and stuff) |
| 16:57.30 | nixew | Amazing. "ls" doesn't have the capability to show the whole sizes? |
| 16:57.39 | greycat | han-solo: not at the top level, unless you turn on dotglob |
| 16:57.46 | han-solo | greycat: Yeah |
| 16:58.02 | greycat | but it will include dotfiles that are inside non-dot directories |
| 16:58.43 | han-solo | just saw a guy had 39 GB in .cache at work, and `du -hs *` only reported 383 MB :), took me a minute to realize |
| 16:58.55 | greycat | fair point |
| 17:00.11 | han-solo | du -hs * | sort -hr # will sort for human readable, i guess |
| 17:01.09 | greycat | if you need to include dot files/directories, bash -c 'shopt -s dotglob; du -sk * | sort -rn' |
| 17:01.11 | nixew | han-solo: and descending by size |
| 17:01.21 | greycat | sort -r reverses it |
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| 17:02.15 | han-solo | ah, yeah, i always want the most usage at top, just habit |
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| 17:02.51 | greycat | having the most important results at the bottom can be useful, because it means when the output scrolls off the terminal, you still see the important stuff at the end |
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| 17:03.01 | greycat | you don't have to scroll back up to find it |
| 17:03.26 | han-solo | yeah, usually there will be a lot of files, and i usually just need `head -10` |
| 17:03.58 | han-solo | mostly, just /var/log eating more memory. We don't have very good etiqueue for logging :) |
| 17:04.22 | han-solo | s/etiqueue/etiquette |
| 17:04.41 | jhutchins_wk | nixew: The directory entry itself has an actual size, and that's what ls -l shows. |
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| 17:06.30 | han-solo | s/memory/storage/ |
| 17:06.32 | han-solo | gah |
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| 17:28.56 | ahi2 | why no nm-applet in debian |
| 17:29.46 | greycat | ,v network-manager-gnome |
| 17:29.48 | judd | Package: network-manager-gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.10.0-2; stretch: 1.4.4-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.8.20-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.8.20-1.1; sid: 1.8.20-1.1; experimental: 1.8.22-1 |
| 17:29.57 | greycat | is that it, or is it something different? |
| 17:30.15 | EdePopede | it is, i just looked for the packagename |
| 17:30.18 | greycat | I also see "nm-tray - Simple Network Manager frontend written in Qt" |
| 17:30.21 | ahi2 | the applet for network-manager but not gnome |
| 17:30.31 | ahi2 | xfce |
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| 17:32.12 | EdePopede | xfce has Network Monitor, no idea what it does |
| 17:32.28 | EdePopede | maybe only showing infos and stats |
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| 17:32.50 | EdePopede | but *nm-applet* (what you were asking for) is from that package. |
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| 17:33.50 | ahi2 | network-manager-gnome did it |
| 17:33.54 | ahi2 | thanks all |
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| 18:10.25 | nixew | I'm having a problem with running LibreOffice 6.2. When I run it, the logo with progress bar shows, it starts loading and then quits. When I run it in terminal, it simply throws "Application Error". Can I get the whole report of the error somehow? |
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| 18:18.14 | jmcnaught | nixew: are you using unstable? |
| 18:18.26 | mutante | what is the command (passwd?) that sets a user account to "NP" in /etc/shadow |
| 18:18.52 | mutante | and could there be any difference to editing it manually |
| 18:19.02 | greycat | editing manually would achieve the exact same thing |
| 18:19.05 | nixew | jmcnaught: I actually downloaded the latest version from libreoffice.org |
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| 18:19.36 | nixew | I just found out it's not supported by stretch 9.9, so I removed it and installed LibreOffice 5 via apt. |
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| 18:19.50 | nixew | I'll try the backported version of 6.1 |
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| 18:33.44 | jhutchins_wk | mutante: You might want to use vipw |
| 18:34.42 | mutante | jhutchins_wk: ah, i see, sounds like visudo. will do |
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| 18:35.09 | mutante | though this edits /etc/passwd |
| 18:35.16 | mutante | and i need to edit /etc/shadow |
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| 18:35.22 | greycat | more like visudo is based on vipw |
| 18:35.32 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.32 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.29 | mutante | thanks. that works but i already have the change i needed .. there must be additional problems i need to debug |
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| 18:37.45 | greycat | HISTORY |
| 18:37.45 | greycat | The vipw command appeared in 4.0BSD. |
| 18:37.51 | greycat | (from OpenBSD man pages) |
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| 18:46.25 | jhutchins_wk | iirc vipw will prompt you to update shadow if you change passwd. |
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| 18:47.40 | annadane | can i stop the xfce notification tool thing from popping up when needrestart says such and such binary is outdated? |
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| 18:49.56 | EdePopede | annadane: i don't have needrestart installed, but does it have a setting to not send a notification? |
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| 18:50.58 | annadane | nothing really useful in the manpage |
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| 18:52.21 | annadane | if i run it myself then yes there are options but when it runs as part of an update there isn't that level of granularity |
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| 19:00.11 | byteckline | hi huys |
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| 19:01.37 | EdePopede | annadane: config file? maybe it has its own manpage with a hint |
| 19:03.50 | annadane | fair point. i've been fairly lazy here |
| 19:03.53 | annadane | i'll dig around |
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| 21:20.48 | Henry151 | howdy #debian |
| 21:21.27 | klys | hi |
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| 21:22.48 | Henry151 | I am trying to load firmware for my Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 I think |
| 21:23.02 | Henry151 | i downloaded http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-bnx2_20161130-5_all.deb and put it on a thumbdrive |
| 21:23.11 | Henry151 | moved it over to the machine that has no internet |
| 21:23.25 | Henry151 | and did dpkg -i to the deb file.. then restarted the machine |
| 21:23.39 | Henry151 | ip l shows eno1 and eno2 both as "DOWN" |
| 21:23.47 | klys | do you have the name of the files you need? |
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| 21:23.58 | klys | do they show up in dmesg |
| 21:24.09 | Henry151 | yeah it's /bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw |
| 21:24.12 | nulix | Henry151, what about dmesg, what does it say about it |
| 21:24.18 | Henry151 | i see nothing about it in dmesg |
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| 21:24.48 | klys | ok can you run something like: ifconfig eno1 192.168.1.2 |
| 21:25.08 | klys | and then ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:25.42 | Henry151 | ifconfig seems to be nonexistent |
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| 21:25.45 | Henry151 | this is debian 9 |
| 21:25.56 | nulix | klys, he may want to ajust that to his network |
| 21:26.16 | Henry151 | ping anything says "network is unreachable" |
| 21:26.30 | klys | nulix, do you know how to do the same thing with the "ip" tool? |
| 21:26.41 | nulix | nop |
| 21:26.56 | Henry151 | yea in the past i would figure ifconfig eno1 up |
| 21:27.06 | Henry151 | because it says "state DOWN" in ip l |
| 21:27.26 | klys | well you need to run your dhcp client. dhclient -d eno1 ? |
| 21:27.51 | nulix | sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.5 dev eth0 |
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| 21:29.51 | Henry151 | dhclient -d eno1 seemed to find nothing, it tried something like 6 times and then said "No DHCPOFFERS received" |
| 21:29.54 | klys | if dhclient assigns an address (or not) you can just press ctrl-c to exit the program. |
| 21:30.24 | klys | henry151, is there a cable plugged into eno1 ? |
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| 21:30.32 | Henry151 | nulix: 192.168.0.5 is supposed to be ip of my router, or is a new ip to assign to my machine? |
| 21:30.42 | klys | the new ip for your machine. |
| 21:30.47 | Henry151 | klys: i think so. might be eno2 actually, i'll try same thing with eno2 |
| 21:30.52 | nulix | sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.5 dev eno1 |
| 21:31.05 | nulix | ajust it to your network |
| 21:31.17 | nulix | what is the ip of your gw? |
| 21:31.22 | Henry151 | heyheyhey! I think it's working |
| 21:31.27 | klys | oh good |
| 21:31.41 | Henry151 | dhclient -d eno2 seems to have bound me to 10.0.0.79 |
| 21:31.51 | klys | so, ping 10.0.0.1 |
| 21:32.05 | klys | and then ping a public ip such as 198.60.22.2 |
| 21:32.17 | Henry151 | pinging google.com is working great now |
| 21:32.18 | klys | and then ping a dns name such as www.internic.net |
| 21:32.24 | klys | cool |
| 21:32.26 | nulix | sudo ip route show |
| 21:32.27 | Henry151 | i think i'm fully connected |
| 21:32.35 | klys | your nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:32.51 | Henry151 | i haven't installed sudo yet |
| 21:33.10 | Henry151 | but i'm about to update my sources.list and update and upgrade everything and get this thing bangin |
| 21:33.17 | Henry151 | y'all just saved me thank you much |
| 21:33.46 | nulix | Henry151, for reference: https://www.tecmint.com/ip-command-examples/ |
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| 21:34.21 | Henry151 | would you believe me if I told you i had that open in my browser already? exactly that page XD |
| 21:34.52 | Henry151 | that dhclient -d command was what i think i had to find |
| 21:34.57 | Henry151 | thank you for all the assistance. |
| 21:35.01 | klys | yw. |
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| 21:54.44 | plantroon | which tool is recommended for creating apt repositories, that will be well supported in the future? |
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| 22:15.58 | somiaj | plantroon: there are various options depending on what the repo is gonna be used for, how big of one, etc. |
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| 22:17.16 | somiaj | plantroon: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup -- You could look at tracker.debian.org for the various tools to see which one seems most active. |
| 22:17.35 | somiaj | also depending on what your goal is, apt-cacherng is a nice utility |
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| 22:17.52 | plantroon | I am thinking about mini-dinstall. Not sure about how the repo is gonna be. At most 100 packages, keep old versions, 3 debian releases compatibility and gpg signing. Thats what I need |
| 22:18.21 | somiaj | I have little experince with the actual tools, so no suggestions from me what to use. |
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| 22:21.09 | CH13F | how do i get html folder back in var/www |
| 22:21.16 | plantroon | thanks anyway, I hope I get replies from someone who has a repo of their own. mini-dinstall seems best for me but I see no recommendations :( |
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| 22:29.15 | plantroon | CH13F: what do you mean? You want the package maintainer's version of the directory /var/www and its contents? |
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| 22:29.40 | CH13F | yes |
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| 22:35.28 | plantroon | I usually purge and reinstall the package that provides it (nginx or apache? not sure) |
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| 22:37.03 | CHI3F | i got disconnected so how do i get it back sorry |
| 22:37.35 | plantroon | CHI3F: I usually purge and reinstall the package that provides it (nginx or apache? not sure). But try reading apt-get and dpkg man pages, there might be a better way |
| 22:38.06 | CHI3F | sounds good thank you |
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| 23:16.56 | RandomSerb | hello. I haven't made any changes recently on my debian stretch for my desktop workstation, but since a week ago, after a few days of system not being rebooted, graphics kind of glitches, youtube gets slow, and all the video related stuff |
| 23:17.20 | RandomSerb | this said, I'm running top in terminal, and don't really see anything suspicious |
| 23:17.36 | RandomSerb | also, I can stop all the apps, but it won't get any better until I reboot |
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| 23:19.14 | plantroon | any chance you run out of RAM? Also, any chance you use Intel graphics? |
| 23:19.32 | RandomSerb | http://i.imgur.com/qmex9vA.png |
| 23:20.22 | plantroon | I mean if at all between the system working and not working you run out of RAM :D |
| 23:21.07 | plantroon | I had a similar issue recently and after I have set up monitoring, I found out that the system ran out of RAM regularly and killed some stuff supporting GPU accel |
| 23:21.11 | RandomSerb | plantroon, http://dpaste.com/3GQRQR8 |
| 23:22.15 | RandomSerb | plantroon, are you saying that if I run out of RAM at any given time, it may be that RAM can't be recovered properly and bugs as I described? |
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| 23:22.48 | RandomSerb | because, as far as my logic goes, it should get in normal once there's enough free RAM |
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| 23:24.13 | plantroon | its about some process getting killed. But dont let that mislead you, I am just wildly speculating as I dealt with something similar recently |
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| 23:52.24 | annadane | i'm an idiot, but does kill <pid> actually do anything? |
| 23:52.32 | annadane | i've been using it but after reading the manpage i'm not so sure |
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| 23:53.16 | annadane | maybe i just kant reed |
| 23:53.34 | dax | yes, it sends the SIGTERM signal to the given pid |
| 23:54.00 | mutante | annadane: i always get reminded of this quote "Generally, send 15, and wait a second or two, and if that doesn't work, send 2, and if that doesn't work, send 1. If that doesn't, REMOVE THE BINARY because the program is badly behaved! Don't use kill -9. Don't bring out the combine harvester just to tidy up the flower pot. |
| 23:54.50 | annadane | useful, thanks |
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| 23:56.32 | annadane | kill isn't either of those by default, is it? |
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| 23:57.38 | annadane | sorry for being so dense |
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| 23:59.36 | ksk | !kill9 |
| 23:59.37 | dpkg | No, no, no! Don't use kill -9. It doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself. See: http://www.ruhr.de/home/smallo/award.html#uuk9letter ... first try kill -15; then try kill -2; then try kill -1. |
