| 00:00.00 | annadane | aaaand dead link |
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| 00:00.27 | ksk | mhhm, not sure if all of as are allowed to tweak the entries, will ask an op if I see one ;) |
| 00:00.32 | ksk | s/as/us/ |
| 00:00.58 | EdePopede | the problem is that not even man signal gives any hint what all these signals are meant for |
| 00:00.58 | annadane | yes, we are |
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| 00:01.19 | annadane | syntax is dpkg, no, foo is <reply> blah blah blah... |
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| 00:01.22 | EdePopede | so the user finds out some day that kill -9 is the method to stop a program running wild |
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| 00:03.15 | SoreGums | so toddler mashed my keyboard and now I can't use any of the num-rom/symbols/brackets[{}],equals keys - obviously the keybaord works (1234567890!@#$%^&*()=[{}]) - it is just in this debian vm - |
| 00:03.15 | SoreGums | i setup a new VM and keyboard is fine - any ideas? |
| 00:03.28 | mutante | annadane: The default signal for kill is TERM. that is 15 |
| 00:03.36 | ksk | dpkg, no, kill9 is <reply> No, no, no! Don't use kill -9. It doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself. First try kill -15; then try kill -2; then try kill -1. |
| 00:03.37 | annadane | ahh |
| 00:03.38 | dpkg | ksk: okay |
| 00:03.47 | ksk | thanks annadane. |
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| 00:04.05 | annadane | there are other dpkg invocations for changing stuff but that's the most basic |
| 00:05.07 | annadane | for existing factoids it's dpkg, no, etc, for new ones it's dpkg, blah is blah |
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| 00:05.42 | SoreGums | ahh so it ijust inside X LXQt these keys don't work |
| 00:05.42 | SoreGums | fine on the console |
| 00:06.24 | SoreGums | i checked the keyboard lay9out, still US - 105 keys |
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| 00:10.58 | dvs | SoreGums, Have you tried rebooting since the keys work in the console? |
| 00:11.16 | ksk | or, logging out and start a new session maybe? |
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| 00:11.42 | SoreGums | yes rebooted twice |
| 00:12.09 | SoreGums | i'll check a new user then |
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| 00:18.51 | SoreGums | ok - sorted - the issue is with NoMachine doing something weird. |
| 00:18.51 | SoreGums | going direct via the VM after setting the default back to systemctl set-default graphical.target and logging in keys all work |
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| 01:01.13 | jim | hi, what are the depends and rdepends for alsa-utils-udeb? (yes already checked the bot) |
| 01:02.02 | ksk | jim: so, if you already checked apt, why would you ask? |
| 01:02.23 | somiaj | you can also use apt, or apt-rdepends to show this on your system. |
| 01:02.44 | ksk | btw, what is an rdepent? |
| 01:03.09 | somiaj | reverse depends, so the list of all packages that depend on alsa-utils-udeb |
| 01:03.16 | LtL | jim: alsa-utils, Depends: kmod (>= 17-1~), lsb-base (>= 3.0-9), whiptail | dialog, libasound2 (>= 1.1.1), libc6 (>= 2.15), libfftw3-single3 (>= 3.3.5), libncursesw5 (>= 6), libsamplerate0 (>= 0.1.7), libtinfo5 (>= 6) |
| 01:03.20 | somiaj | (though not sure why you are doing this for a udeb, these packages are for the installer) |
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| 01:03.46 | somiaj | LtL: apt-rdepends will go deeper than that, I think that is just one level, and each of those depend on things and so on. |
| 01:03.47 | bbb98 | You wanna watch my Live (Starting in 8-10 minutes)? I am going to touch & play with myself. Enter and reserve your seat (FREE for next 5 people): http://split.to/ICt27Go |
| 01:06.20 | LtL | jim: rdepends http://paste.debian.net/1085223/ |
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| 01:11.12 | LtL | somiaj: i don't have a apt-rdepends |
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| 01:11.57 | LtL | somiaj: i used, apt rdepends alsa-utils |
| 01:12.08 | aedinius | apt rdepends, not apt-rdepends |
| 01:13.11 | LtL | did that |
| 01:13.58 | LtL | theres also apt-cache rdepends, same output. |
| 01:14.43 | somiaj | yea, apt can do it. I think apt-rdepends works recursivally which gives you a bigger list but you have to parse out duplicates |
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| 01:15.18 | somiaj | though maybe apt-cache/apt has the full feature now |
| 01:15.50 | LtL | somiaj: ok, yeah... it's not installed. |
| 01:16.06 | LtL | jim: still need it jim? |
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| 01:18.01 | LtL | jim: here you go, http://paste.debian.net/1085224/ |
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| 01:18.46 | CarlFK | echo test | tio /dev/ttyACM0 >test.log ... cat test.log Error: Saving current stdio settings failed |
| 01:19.00 | CarlFK | how do I ... make it not error? |
| 01:19.49 | jim | LtL, hi, I was curious, I just built the package, and one of the packages is a udev, alsa-utils-udev, and it's that package I was curious about what depended on it and what it depends on |
| 01:20.55 | jim | or, do udevs depend on anything? |
| 01:21.00 | LtL | W: Unable to locate package alsa-utils-udev |
| 01:21.06 | jim | udebs rather |
| 01:21.18 | somiaj | udev is not the same thing |
| 01:21.24 | jim | and alsa-utils-udeb |
| 01:21.31 | LtL | nope |
| 01:21.32 | jim | yeah sorry |
| 01:21.54 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/udeb |
| 01:21.54 | jim | so there's not a depend for that either way? |
| 01:22.03 | aedinius | sd |
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| 01:22.48 | somiaj | they are for the debian installer, just ignore it |
| 01:23.26 | jim | yes, I'm not going to install it... and, it got generated, and I became curious about it |
| 01:23.42 | jim | that's the only reason I asked |
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| 01:24.30 | jim | the page you linked to mostly just has a definition for 'udeb'... |
| 01:26.45 | jim | let me ask a somewhat different question: what use would the debian installer have for sound? |
| 01:30.34 | LtL | jim: apt-rdepends for pulseaudio, maybe you can glean something from this. http://paste.debian.net/1085225/ |
| 01:30.54 | CarlFK | jim: screen reader comes to mind |
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| 01:32.34 | LtL | perhaps, alsaplayer-common/stable 0.99.81-2 amd64 |
| 01:33.04 | LtL | that should pull in all you need jim |
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| 01:40.12 | LtL | jim: apt search alsa output, http://paste.debian.net/1085227/ |
| 01:41.39 | LtL | alsa is pretty much debian's goto sound, pulse rides on top of it, if needed afaik. |
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| 01:45.36 | somiaj | yea, assessibility needs a sound card |
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| 02:12.41 | SoreGums | gah - my issue was Windows had set my keyboard layout to Vietnamese, omg |
| 02:13.16 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:13.23 | dvs | 3$$#$# $%#$$6j34%#$5#$^# 34 ? |
| 02:13.26 | SoreGums | NoMachine was doing the right thing, VM's were ignoring windows and mapping the correct keys - yet windows itself could use the num row still - gah |
| 02:13.57 | dvs | still blames the toddler |
| 02:15.52 | SoreGums | for real - rumbling my keyboard... |
| 02:16.31 | SoreGums | discovered it by bringing up the windows on-screen keyboard |
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| 02:17.51 | SoreGums | I really like Debian - it starts so fast - like arch, with less updates :P |
| 02:19.00 | SoreGums | be great once buster is proper released - even less updates then, haha |
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| 02:20.16 | aedinius | debian is pretty alright. |
| 02:20.18 | dvs | 115 bugs left |
| 02:20.35 | aedinius | I don't think I have any real hardware running it anymore though :( |
| 02:22.24 | dvs | so you're imagining you're running Debian? |
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| 02:23.55 | SoreGums | will be giving it a spin once released maybe nvidia updates will work with my gtx980m now. i can't run any flavour of linux directly on my laptop with-OUT stuttering in youtube. |
| 02:24.37 | SoreGums | it's an optimus laptop - however turned off the intel gpu in the bios - no difference. enable optimus, no dice. |
| 02:25.45 | SoreGums | from what i read nvidia did weird stuff in this hardware sku then made it work fine in windows, but linux not so much |
| 02:26.08 | aedinius | I want to build out a portable amdgpu for when I'm stuck in a hotel |
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| 02:28.44 | dvs | My ThinkPad has a Radeon built-in! |
| 02:28.59 | rant | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 02:29.00 | SoreGums | yeah, super thin 17" 3840x2160 doesn't need a long battery life, 75mins is enough. just needs enough GPU to save power when doing video/browser rendering. |
| 02:29.00 | SoreGums | then if need proper GPU plug it in. |
| 02:29.03 | aedinius | my thinkpads have either intel or nvidia. my dell has a radeon though |
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| 02:30.26 | aedinius | SoreGums: Yeah, I have plenty of portable laptops that I don't mind if my main portable is a luggable |
| 02:30.27 | dvs | I waited until I could find one with a Radeon in it. |
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| 02:35.02 | alyssa | How do I setup ecryptfs on buster? (Full disk encryption is unfortunately not feasible on my hardware right now.) |
| 02:35.29 | mason | alyssa: Why infeasible? |
| 02:35.59 | alyssa | It's an Arm Chromebook. The kernel situation is.... delicate. |
| 02:36.26 | mason | You can always just encrypt root and such, leave boot unencrypted. |
| 02:36.27 | alyssa | FDE, as far as I know, requires an initramfs/rd to help things along? |
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| 02:37.04 | alyssa | There is no /boot/; it's its own partition. (Chromebooks have a custom bootloader specifically for ChromeOS. Booting Debian is workable with it, since Linux is Linux. But you know.) |
| 02:37.24 | mason | Oh... In which case, maybe just encrypt /home. You can have that happen fairly cleanly. |
| 02:37.43 | alyssa | That's why I was wondering about ecryptfs? :) |
| 02:38.08 | mason | Mm, someone will know, but not me. As for LUKS, you can have /home on LUKS automount with a prompt during boot. |
| 02:38.13 | Lyberta | hi, I'm installing a new system via debootstrap loaded in live system, when I requested to install cryptsetup-initramfs, it tried to read a lot of stuff from /sys, should I have mounted /sys before installing? |
| 02:38.42 | mason | Lyberta: I always mount /proc, /sys, and /dev into the chroot if I'm going to install from it. |
| 02:38.58 | aedinius | proc sys dev run? |
| 02:39.02 | mason | mount --rbind /proc /mnt/proc and so forth |
| 02:39.06 | mason | Run too? |
| 02:39.11 | aedinius | I think so |
| 02:39.18 | mason | I never do it, but maybe something's changed. |
| 02:40.56 | alyssa | Maybe XY question, but... if I grab the sid package for ecryptfs from buster, will anything combust in my face? |
| 02:41.26 | mason | You'd be better off getting the source package and backporting it yourself. |
| 02:44.10 | alyssa | mumbles about not being cut out to be a sysadmin |
| 02:44.55 | mason | LUKS is the path of least resistance. |
| 02:45.57 | alyssa | LUKS on a Chromebook sounds... scary, but you're probably right regardless |
| 02:46.43 | mason | Encryption is encryption. |
| 02:46.50 | mason | The cost should be more or less the same. |
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| 02:51.00 | jim | LtL, thanks so much; I'll look that over |
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| 02:52.39 | jim | alyssa, yep, building a debian package on the machine and debian version you' |
| 02:53.17 | mason | One key at a time, please. |
| 02:53.25 | jim | are going to run it on, will ensure that it will run, be linked with what you have, and generally be compatible/installable on your machine |
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| 02:53.55 | jim | mason, still getting used to this keyboard after all these years of having it |
| 02:54.07 | mason | I do that regularly. |
| 02:54.32 | jim | make that kind of typo? yeah me too |
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| 02:54.39 | alyssa | mumbles about maybe porting GalliumOS to aarch64 |
| 02:57.17 | jim | you're mumbling! can't understand a thing you say! |
| 02:58.51 | alyssa | jim: Sorry, I'm just trying to mentally balance actual need for encryption, desire for encryption out of principle, personal time available, sysadmin skills, and possibilities for upstream assistance |
| 02:59.15 | jim | add to that, backups |
| 02:59.52 | jim | you might want to make a backup of your entire system before you start, and make sure you can restore from the backup |
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| 03:00.24 | jim | maybe you'd like borg backup, I did |
| 03:00.48 | jim | borg will optionally encrypt the backups |
| 03:01.44 | alyssa | Well, that ties into the "actual need" category -- 99% of the machine is checkouts of public projects (this is my dev machine) ;) |
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| 03:03.48 | jim | if the checkouts are uptodate with the remote repos they came from, I guess no need to back those up... but you may wish to back up the system stuff and other things, maybe in your home dir, that are personall |
| 03:03.54 | jim | -l |
| 03:04.13 | alyssa | What personal? :) |
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| 03:04.38 | alyssa | The nice thing about the digital age is that, in exchange for zero privacy, you have nothing to backup! ;) |
| 03:04.48 | jim | dunno :) I abstracted what you might find personal with the name "personal" :) |
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| 03:42.55 | Matthias2323 | hi, someone of Argentina? |
| 03:44.29 | rant | Lyberta: as root from outside the chroot do lslk -f | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 03:44.35 | rant | erm |
| 03:44.44 | rant | lsblk -f | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 03:47.24 | rant | or even better yet (lsblk -f; mount)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 03:47.30 | Lyberta | rant, http://termbin.com/16qk |
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| 03:51.49 | Lyberta | rant, http://termbin.com/rcxi |
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| 03:57.37 | rant | shrugs |
| 03:58.30 | rant | I never used this before.. I keep my entire /boot unencrypted |
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| 03:59.28 | Lyberta | rant, that is required for pre-EFI systems, but in UEFI you can just copy kernel and initramfs to ESP and have everything else encrypted |
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| 04:05.32 | Lyberta | what package provides /etc/mtab? |
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| 04:18.07 | rant | Lyberta: in debian /etc/mtab is a symlink to /proc/self/mounts |
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| 05:38.19 | mzajc | I have a problem with grub. Grub allows everyone to temporarily edit the script that starts up the OS, which can lead to permission elevation. Is there any way for me to disable the edit script (E) and open shell (C) prompts from the OS selection screen? |
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| 05:43.58 | abrotman | or put a password on grub editing? |
| 05:44.06 | detha | To edit that, the attacker needs physical access or access to your mgmt network. If that is the case, you have other ptoblems. |
| 05:44.26 | mzajc | abrotman: How do I do that? |
| 05:44.46 | abrotman | detha: while yes, that doesn't answer the question .. |
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| 05:45.28 | detha | correct. my point was, why bother. |
| 05:46.17 | abrotman | detha: Because security is a multi-phased approach? |
| 05:47.01 | mzajc | Either way, I've already managed to generate a password using grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2. Now I just want to know how to make grub use it. |
| 05:47.01 | abrotman | mzajc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords I"m sure you can google other examples |
| 05:47.59 | detha | abrotman: in the whole 'defense in depth' thing, it may slow someone down a bit yes. IMO not enough to be worth the inconvenience |
| 05:49.24 | abrotman | detha: But you're not asking the question, it's not your decision (and you're not being helpful in any way) |
| 05:50.34 | abrotman | There are many stages of "But, if ... |
| 05:50.35 | abrotman | " |
| 05:53.31 | detha | Correct. We considered this, long ago. We rejected it for the reasons mentioned above. Just stating that it may not offer the protection the OP might think it offers |
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| 05:54.46 | abrotman | Right, so maybe he'll get a case lock, or encrypt the drives, or boobytrap the case with EMP .. lots of options, but this is one step that they've asked about, and we can help with |
| 05:54.51 | mzajc | I know well what protection just setting a password to the grub editors ofeers. |
| 05:55.13 | mzajc | *offers |
| 05:55.31 | abrotman | you've spent more time arguing against security than it took me to find a reference page for setting a grub2 password |
| 05:56.07 | abrotman | Again, it's not your system, they asked a question .. if you don't want to help, no need to chime in |
| 05:58.11 | mzajc | abortman: I've added this https://paste.debian.net/1085230/ to my grub.d/40_custom. Will it do the trick? |
| 06:00.06 | abrotman | from the docs: |
| 06:00.09 | abrotman | The user may prefer to enter this data into a custom file, such as /etc/grub.d/40_custom so it is not overwritten should the Grub package be updated. If placing the information in a custom file, do not include the "cat << EOF" and "EOF" lines as the content is automatically added from these files. |
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| 06:00.27 | mzajc | Got it |
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| 06:39.16 | ihateAdmins | Hello, i'm trying to enable autlogin as root in lightdm and edited /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf for it, but it still doesn't work, when i reboot or restart service i still get the login prompt |
| 06:39.58 | rant | wtf would you be digging into /usr/share/anything to enable autologin? |
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| 06:40.10 | rant | configuration is in /etc/ |
| 06:40.42 | SpeedyG | probably because he hates admins ;) |
| 06:40.55 | ihateAdmins | i saw it in a tutorial, but i didn't see it's different in the debian manual.. thanks |
| 06:41.12 | rant | first you probably need to reinstall lightdm to fix whatever nonsense you did |
| 06:41.16 | SpeedyG | its the same in nearly every distro... /usr/share is only for examples/templates/other stuff |
| 06:41.43 | rant | then you need to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 06:42.45 | rant | then under [Seat ..whatever] uncommend the line autologin-user= and just put a username at the end |
| 06:42.51 | rant | and you're done |
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| 06:45.02 | rant | though personally I'd use nodm for autologin, then you can easily switch back to normal login with systemctl,service,dpkg-reconfigure, etc |
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| 06:47.09 | ihateAdmins | i uncommented (and added root) like in the debian wiki, but it didn't work im still getting the login prompt |
| 06:47.47 | rant | I wouldnt doubt there is probably a safegaurd against you logging into X as root.. cause its a VERY BAD IDEA |
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| 06:49.24 | rant | even if you are running a machine in a highly trusted environment most code isnt meant to be run as root, it can literally destroy hardware |
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| 06:50.39 | ihateAdmins | i understand your concerns, i will change that later on but for now i want it to be root :) |
| 06:50.50 | rant | and I or anyone else here with any sense is not going to help you any further in doing so.. you're on your own.. or you can be more specific about what you need and we can talk about more sane ways to do things |
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| 06:51.30 | rant | I wouldnt bother looking into what stops you from doing so, because whatever it is.. its a good thing |
| 06:51.57 | rant | and you really don't understand, or you wouldnt have even asked |
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| 06:53.53 | ihateAdmins | of course i do, obviously i will change it to a user account and use sudo, but it should be possible to use root too, i don't like safety measures against my will of any reason |
| 06:54.21 | abrotman | Have you heard of DOS? |
| 06:54.30 | rant | its not about your will.. the software is without warranty for a reason |
| 06:54.31 | jim | and if he didn't understand, that would be totally ok |
| 06:54.45 | rant | its about you running something as root that the designer never intended to be running as root |
| 06:55.30 | rant | there are things that can literally fry the hardware.. svgatextmode for example includes in its documentation saying just that.. it can completely ruin your video card |
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| 06:56.23 | abrotman | dpkg: flw79 |
| 06:56.24 | dpkg | from memory, flw79 is <ihateAdmins > of course i do, obviously i will change it to a user account and use sudo, but it should be possible to use root too, i don't like safety measures against my will of any reason |
| 06:57.58 | ihateAdmins | well it works fine with a user account, i will stick to that, thanks for the help was an amusing talk |
| 06:58.02 | abrotman | ihateAdmins: Have you looked at the lightdm docs to see if there's an explicit method denying 'root' from running Xorg? Obviously you can run Xorg as root if you choose |
| 06:58.05 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 06:58.11 | abrotman | well, problem solved it seems |
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| 07:28.26 | choice | Good Morning! |
| 07:28.36 | klys | hi |
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| 07:30.15 | choice | So far I had VMs in the cloud: 1 for production and 1 for testing. Both with Debian 8. I wonder if I can save one VM by doing the testing in a docker container with Debian 8. What do you guys think? |
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| 07:31.35 | ihateAdmins | Good morning, im having issues with my screen resolution, i installed the nvidia drivers as in the debian manuals, but the highest resolution i get in xrandr or nvidia-settings is 1360x768. My gpu is the gtx 750ti and i want the resolution to be 1920x1080(i am able to get it with windows/kali). I already tried the xrandr newmode with Modeline metho |
| 07:31.35 | ihateAdmins | d, but that didn't work |
| 07:32.38 | klys | ihateadmins, what was your modeline? |
| 07:32.56 | ihateAdmins | Modeline "1920x1080_60.00" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync |
| 07:33.20 | klys | that doesn't look like a 60 Hz modeline. |
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| 07:35.21 | ihateAdmins | Well 60Hz is the only option in nvidia-settings i don't know what you mean |
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| 07:35.47 | klys | well then again, I suppose it does. |
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| 07:58.29 | xevilstar | good morning |
| 07:58.45 | choice | When you run debian 9.9 from debian.org on a VM and debian 9.9 from docker.io in a container - how similar/different are these environments then? |
| 07:58.59 | choice | I know the container will use the kernel of the host. |
| 07:59.02 | choice | Any other differences? |
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| 08:29.50 | ChrisH | I am looking for Kiosk Browser mode using Debian. I managed to get it working on Centos but would prefer Debian. I did not yet find documentation on how to to do it. xguest (centos/RHEL way) does not seem to be avaliable on Debian. |
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| 08:35.34 | Fox | ChrisH: found this after 5mn of googling maybe it'll do the job https://agock.com/2018/06/set-up-signage-kiosk-debian-linux/ |
| 08:43.32 | ChrisH | Fox: Thanks. I spend a longer time, most probably using wrong search terms. I will give it a try. |
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| 08:49.51 | Fox | ChrisH: yaw |
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| 09:23.55 | Barabacha | how to update a PHP application in a production environment without breaking anything? |
| 09:24.38 | Johann | Barabacha: that's a million dollar question |
| 09:24.55 | Barabacha | what are the best practices? |
| 09:25.02 | Barabacha | it's literally my first time |
| 09:25.06 | e | unclear how this is a debian question |
| 09:25.13 | ihateAdmins | maybe wait with the update until every other dependecy is updated as well |
| 09:25.14 | Barabacha | it's on debian |
| 09:26.54 | SpeedyG | Barabacha: its more an application question than a debian question really... you have to know which dependencies the application has to which libraries, how it all ties together... |
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| 09:27.50 | SpeedyG | when it comes to process, make sure to have it running in a testing/acceptance environment, perform the OS-updates and check if everything still works.. |
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| 09:46.33 | DrBunsen | Hey all, quick question. My HDD is dying and I want to replace it with a SSD, if I use dd to copy the HDD to the SSD, will the kernel automatically detect it is a SSD and change accordingly? Or should I just do a fresh install? |
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| 09:50.35 | e | it should not care |
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| 09:53.42 | DrBunsen | e: thanks |
| 09:53.52 | DrBunsen | Figured as much |
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| 10:28.40 | ChrisH | Fox: confirmed. Works at least inside a test VM. Thanks again. |
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| 10:30.22 | Fox | good to know, you're welcome |
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| 11:24.38 | xevilstar | please help https://github.com/kamailio/kamailio/issues/1969 |
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| 11:27.16 | petn-randall | xevilstar: How is this related to Debian? |
| 11:27.52 | xevilstar | it is related to the fact that app_java is missing on buster repo |
| 11:28.01 | humpled | i don't understand the purpose of copying a filesystem bit by bit instead of creating a nice new filesystem and copying files into it |
| 11:28.08 | xevilstar | since gcj was removed |
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| 11:29.03 | xevilstar | I have managed to compile it without gcj but got a memory leak problem that is beyond me |
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| 11:29.35 | xevilstar | since I am using openjdk there will be no issues on making a deb myself if anyone here could help me |
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| 11:30.04 | xevilstar | humpled: is that ok ? |
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| 11:30.22 | xevilstar | opps i meant to say |
| 11:30.27 | xevilstar | petn-randall: is that ok |
| 11:30.31 | xevilstar | ? |
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| 11:32.52 | petn-randall | xevilstar: Are you using kamailio from the Debian repos? |
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| 11:34.29 | xevilstar | yes tried that version too same problem exactly the same error, then switched to the kamailio repo hoping it would solve the problem |
| 11:34.44 | xevilstar | for the record deb http://deb.kamailio.org/kamailio52 buster main |
| 11:34.44 | xevilstar | deb-src http://deb.kamailio.org/kamailio52 buster main |
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| 11:40.26 | rant | xevilstar: the deb-src line is probably doing nothing for you but making your cache update take longer.. those lines are only if you need source code |
| 11:41.10 | xevilstar | rant: thanks but ... what about the memory leak ? |
| 11:41.45 | rant | xevilstar: is there a CVE on this issue? |
| 11:42.10 | rant | ,v kamailio |
| 11:42.11 | judd | Package: kamailio on amd64 -- jessie: 4.2.0-2+deb8u3; jessie-security: 4.2.0-2+deb8u5; stretch: 4.4.4-2+deb9u3; stretch-security: 4.4.4-2+deb9u3; buster: 5.2.1-1; sid: 5.2.2-1 |
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| 11:43.30 | xevilstar | rant: the kamailio-java depends still on gcj and not on openjdk so it is not present in buster since buster has gcc 8 that has no gcj |
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| 11:44.05 | xevilstar | I am near to make a deb that will depend on openjdk if anyone could give me some hints about the error |
| 11:44.13 | rant | xevilstar: this is a debian support channel, we support debian, not third party repos.. there is no mention on tracker or bts about this issue or a memory leak |
| 11:44.30 | rant | you are using our testing branch apparently and have not filed any bugs |
| 11:44.33 | xevilstar | rant: I sent a mail to the list also |
| 11:45.14 | xevilstar | and it was a requirement to use kamailio 5 anyway |
| 11:47.03 | rant | xevilstar: idk what you want us to do for you here.. either you need to remove that repo, install the debian package, file some bugs and maybe we can help some on this, or you need to goto #kamailio |
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| 11:50.12 | petn-randall | xevilstar: If you want to fix the upstream one, then solve that with upstream. We have zero control over their packages. If you want it fixed in Debian, I'd suggest you file a bug report with Debian. The maintainer might not know about this issue yet. |
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| 11:50.46 | xevilstar | rant: I started from the one in debian repo |
| 11:50.49 | rant | humpled: if the filesystem is damaged or if you want to make a clone, do forensics, etc, block level makes more sense.. each way has its uses |
| 11:51.12 | xevilstar | petn-randall: I have written to the mailing list isn't that enough ? what should I do ? |
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| 11:51.23 | xevilstar | by the way I am talking on upstream channel also |
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| 11:52.12 | rant | xevilstar: congratulations.. point is we here are debian users supporting debian.. most of us probably never even heard of kamailio and we can't hardly be expected to support issues with the upstream packages. The users of kamailio and the developers are in #kamailio |
| 11:52.33 | petn-randall | xevilstar: You can use `reportbug` to report the bug to Debian. |
| 11:53.01 | rant | reportbug is fairly useless imho especially when you have an upstream version installed |
| 11:53.16 | petn-randall | xevilstar: But gcj is not maintained, so going back to it is not an option. |
| 11:53.38 | petn-randall | rant: Feel free to offer better suggestions. |
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| 11:54.50 | rant | my suggestion is to open whatever you use for email, To: submit@bugs.debian.org with the first two lines of the email being "package: kamailio" and "version: 5.2.1-1" (without the quotes) and describing the problem in detail |
| 11:55.12 | rant | and some kind of concise description in the subject line |
| 11:55.54 | xevilstar | rant: doing it |
| 11:56.19 | rant | reportbug just gives you an annoying template most people dont even have the decency to remove, that will have an upstream version number of the package which is meaningless to our maintainer |
| 11:56.40 | rant | xevilstar: report whatever issue you had with the DEBIAN BUSTER version, not with the UPSTREAM package |
| 11:57.08 | xevilstar | rant: ok since the error is exactly the same word by word |
| 11:57.11 | rant | debian packages are almost always DRASTICALLY different than their upstream versions |
| 11:58.01 | rant | no, the error you were mentioning sounded like a packaging issue.. and we have automated systems that would've caught that before it had a snowballs chance in hell of getting anywhere near buster |
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| 11:58.23 | rant | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kamailio |
| 11:58.52 | rant | you'll see there things are held up reaching sid/buster due to many issues that were auto-detected |
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| 12:01.32 | rant | if I were absoultely required the use of this package I'd not be using buster or sid right now, and I'd be seriously considering using something else entirely.. the road ahead for this is not looking good |
| 12:02.14 | rant | ,popcon kamailio |
| 12:02.15 | judd | Popcon data for kamailio: inst: 115, vote: 53, old: 56, recent: 4, nofiles: 2 |
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| 12:02.34 | petn-randall | rant: The thing is that people often get the syntax wrong, which is why reportbug was invented ... |
| 12:03.16 | rant | petn-randall: yeah well the only thing worse than incorrect syntax (its really simple) is incorrect information that has people running down issues that don't exist |
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| 12:03.24 | xevilstar | rant: don't be so negative... I am talking on the upstream channel too |
| 12:03.29 | xevilstar | [13:52:52] <xevilstar> db_res of srdb1 has pkg_free((str *)RES_NAMES(_r)[col]); |
| 12:03.30 | xevilstar | [13:55:55] <tsearle> ok, so I guess the issue is a double free then |
| 12:03.32 | xevilstar | [13:57:24] <tsearle> the method this line is in, I assume it's getting invoked by app_java (or app java calls a method that in turn invokes the crashing method) |
| 12:03.34 | xevilstar | [13:57:33] <tsearle> but would find it strange that app_java would need a database |
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| 12:03.45 | petn-randall | rant: And how does not using reportbug prevent that ...? |
| 12:03.51 | rant | this user currently has the upstream package installed.. reportbug would be pulling in info on that |
| 12:04.20 | rant | if in fact they had a different issue on the debian version, they can manually put the right headers in and explain that issue |
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| 12:06.44 | rant | and fwiw I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic.. the tracker has a bunch of red flags on this package, its not even being considered for update for this upcomming release .. its flagged for several major transitions.. and seems both the current debian and upstream version are buggy from what you're sayig and its popcon score is low which means almost nobody cares |
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| 12:08.39 | xevilstar | rant: mail sent |
| 12:09.07 | xevilstar | meanwhile ... is there here any programmer expert willing to help on that like which causes the memory leak ? |
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| 12:09.49 | dvs | 112 bugs! |
| 12:10.42 | rant | you are seriously misunderstanding and abusing the scope of this channel |
| 12:10.46 | N4Z4__ | Hello :) |
| 12:11.03 | apollo13 | chances that people are bored enough to look for memory leaks in weird 3rd party software is slim at best |
| 12:11.30 | apollo13 | hell, looking for memory leaks in your own code is annoying enough, in 3rd party software only if you throw loads of money :D |
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| 12:16.01 | rant | we're very close to a release, folk are focused on more serious issues things like this systemd patch I'm holding my breath on that will affect a LARGE number of our users.. not 4 people like whatever this SIP issue is :P |
| 12:16.46 | apollo13 | rant: which systemd patch? :) |
| 12:17.37 | rant | the one that addresses a total cascading failure on AMD cpus after wakeup from an S3 state :-/ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929215 we're waiting on D-I team approval |
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| 12:17.55 | apollo13 | ah well, who uses AMD :D |
| 12:18.49 | rant | heh.. I do on my home server atm.. but I dont put it to sleep.. my concern is it will affect a lot of people and its so obscure we will be hardpressed to run it down when it winds up here |
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| 12:27.56 | xevilstar | rant: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929803 |
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| 12:28.45 | rant | xevilstar: yeah I been auto refreshing the page waiting on it.. I am dealing with phone calls and other crap this morning :P |
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| 12:31.24 | rant | ,depends kamailio-java-modules buster |
| 12:31.25 | judd | No package named 'kamailio-java-modules' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 12:31.40 | petn-randall | xevilstar: You didn't mention the memory leak issue in the bug report, and neither linked to the upstream issue. |
| 12:31.40 | rant | ,depends kamailio-java buster |
| 12:31.41 | judd | No package named 'kamailio-java' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 12:31.51 | petn-randall | (this is why there's `reportbug` ...) |
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| 12:33.03 | xevilstar | petn-randall: in the end is the final goal we all need, anyway I am ready to send another on Monday :) |
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| 12:35.16 | rant | I'm a bit confused here.. this is all I can find https://packages.debian.org/sid/kamailio-java-modules and its only for two unofficial ports |
| 12:35.34 | rant | there is no tracker info on this, no bugs other than the one just filed.. |
| 12:35.42 | petn-randall | A good problem description is the first step to a good bug report. |
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| 12:35.57 | rant | this is a wishlist / wnpp bug it seems |
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| 12:36.22 | petn-randall | It's a bug report to an invalid package, so nobody will see it. |
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| 12:36.45 | rant | you file this against wnpp right? |
| 12:36.53 | petn-randall | Ah wait, that package *does* exist. |
| 12:37.01 | rant | not officially |
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| 12:37.30 | rant | its only in hppa/sh4 (unofficial) and its on an old version not the current sid version |
| 12:37.31 | jelly | rant: noone puts amd machiens to sleep? |
| 12:37.50 | petn-randall | xevilstar: kamailio-java-modules does not exist in buster/sid, so I you'll need to explain the issue more in detail for anyone to actually fix it. |
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| 12:38.04 | rant | jelly: >:-/ |
| 12:38.31 | xevilstar | petn-randall: the package was there for kamailio version 4 I need 5 |
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| 12:38.52 | apollo13 | xevilstar: then why don't you start by properly packaging it? :D |
| 12:38.53 | xevilstar | anyway if I need to explain more I will on monday on the next bug report |
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| 12:39.10 | petn-randall | rubs temples. |
| 12:39.27 | xevilstar | apollo13: houston we have a problem here.... I would as soon as it works |
| 12:39.30 | rant | ,bug 736212 |
| 12:39.31 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/736212 in kamailio-java-modules (closed, sid): «kamailio-java-modules: uninstallable in sid: unsatisfiable Depends: gjc-jre»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-01-21; last modified: 2014-03-09. |
| 12:39.55 | rant | this train stalled on the tracks years ago |
| 12:40.17 | petn-randall | xevilstar: You can't say the dependencies are missing in buster if that package doesn't exist there, so your bug report does not compute. |
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| 12:40.44 | rant | dpkg, what is wnpp? |
| 12:40.44 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 12:41.09 | xevilstar | rant: thanks |
| 12:42.03 | rant | dpkg, what is rfp? |
| 12:42.03 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 12:42.19 | cbilt | dpkg, what is dpkg? |
| 12:42.19 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 12:42.42 | rant | cbilt: lets not get carried away, you can /msg the bot or talk to it in #debian-bots |
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| 12:42.58 | cbilt | lol. |
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| 12:43.23 | rant | xevilstar: your bug should've been filed against wnpp in this case |
| 12:43.26 | xevilstar | cbilt: have you tried searching google on google ? hahahahahah |
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| 12:46.23 | ihateAdmins | i have found something strange.. when i type ifconfig im getting 192.168.*.51 but my network configuration shows that my ip is 192.168.*.134 and im connected over ssh ... I just tested it with the other ip and it seems im getting a connection to that ip as well, so my system is using 2 ips.. how is that even possible |
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| 12:48.30 | jmcnaught | ihateAdmins: how is your network configured? |
| 12:48.36 | xevilstar | rant: sent it also to wnpp |
| 12:49.06 | xevilstar | jmcnaught: he hates us :( |
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| 12:49.29 | ihateAdmins | what do you mean? Im using network-manager on xfce, im using my own ip *.134 entry in the ipv4 setting |
| 12:49.35 | rant | xevilstar: did you use the subject RFP: kamailio-java-modules or such like the bot said? |
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| 12:49.52 | ihateAdmins | but i can still acces the pc with *.54 so i have both ips.. |
| 12:50.10 | xevilstar | rant: i read it all here https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l2 |
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| 12:50.43 | xevilstar | ihateAdmins: please do not hate :( |
| 12:51.26 | ihateAdmins | xevilstar don't be superficial :( |
| 12:51.39 | xevilstar | ihateAdmins: just joking :) |
| 12:52.53 | ihateAdmins | ah ok i solved it now i have 3 ips :joy: |
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| 12:53.04 | rant | ihateAdmins: you'd probably need to be more specific about whats going on here.. first of all there are no * in ipv4 addresses and 127. 192.168. 10. are all internal ips this isnt sensitive information |
| 12:53.30 | rant | ihateAdmins: I am speculating you have some kinds of VM scenario going on |
| 12:53.33 | ihateAdmins | i just typed all ip adresses just a few lines above, but it's solved |
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| 12:53.57 | ihateAdmins | i was just using * as placeholder here |
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| 13:29.02 | rant | xevilstar: you still gonna be here in a few hours? |
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| 13:29.37 | xevilstar | rant: thank you, please define few |
| 13:29.39 | xevilstar | :) |
| 13:29.51 | rant | xevilstar: idk 2hrs from now |
| 13:30.19 | xevilstar | rant: it could pretty much be, got anything in mind ? :) |
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| 13:31.47 | rant | I got an appointment to go to and I got no interest in this sip server, but I grabbed the source and was compiling crap on buster amd64.. so far I tried just extracting app_java/ and it didnt seem to wanna build without the full source tree, so I extracted that and "make" and "make modules" |
| 13:32.05 | rant | went ok.. but I dont see anywhere that its built the java part yet.. so idk.. |
| 13:32.31 | rant | as in there are no .o or such files in app_java/ |
| 13:33.00 | rant | one thing I did notice though the MakeFile in app_java/ seems to have a lot of incorrect paths for buster's jdk 11 |
| 13:33.32 | rant | but I gotta run.. got a 10am appointment, its 9:33, I'll be back in a bit |
| 13:33.32 | xevilstar | rant: been there done that I fixed the paths and it compiled fine |
| 13:33.52 | xevilstar | rant: (hope she's pretty ;) ) |
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| 14:31.53 | dasshankh | pretty dead place |
| 14:33.28 | amelia_ | It's IRC, folk are across a bunch of different timezones, doing different things, often being AFK or doing other stuff with life. Nature of the beast. |
| 14:33.47 | amelia_ | If you're looking for something in particular, you could try asking and waiting for a reply, or taking a peek at https://wiki.debian.org/IRC :) |
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| 14:34.14 | annadane | still, fairly unusual to be this quiet on a weekday |
| 14:34.28 | annadane | still, that probably means debian is working as intended and nobody has any problems :-) |
| 14:34.36 | ihateAdmins | well there is some active people :) i can no longer login to xfce/lighdm with my user account, but root works.. i checked the lightdm log, but it is not returning any error |
| 14:34.51 | xevilstar | annadane: weren't you here sometime ago ? |
| 14:34.59 | jelly | this channel is expected to be quiet if there are no tech questions. Chat goes to #debian-offtopic |
| 14:35.41 | ihateAdmins | when im logging in it just goes black and the login menu pops up again.. |
| 14:36.24 | xevilstar | ihateAdmins: lightdm.... are you using a pi ? |
| 14:36.34 | ihateAdmins | no debian on pc |
| 14:36.46 | ihateAdmins | lightdm is the login service |
| 14:36.49 | ihateAdmins | xfce |
| 14:36.58 | Tenkawa | ihateAdmins: did you add something to .xinitrc? |
| 14:37.27 | Tenkawa | sounds like something is immediately logging you back out |
| 14:37.46 | Tenkawa | in your homedir |
| 14:37.56 | Tenkawa | for that user |
| 14:38.11 | Tenkawa | check that users homedir for anything .x* |
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| 14:38.41 | Tenkawa | make sure they havent been modified recently |
| 14:38.42 | jelly | ihateAdmins: also, create a fresh new normal user and try to log in as that one |
| 14:38.55 | Tenkawa | indeed.. what jelly saod |
| 14:38.59 | Tenkawa | er said |
| 14:39.02 | greycat | I would expect lightdm to process .xsession but not .xinitrc, but who knows. |
| 14:39.11 | jelly | problematic user's ~/.xsession-errors might have clues, but it also has lots of junk |
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| 14:41.12 | Tenkawa | tries to figure out what to do with an extra LVM external drive |
| 14:43.38 | ihateAdmins | i deleted that user and created a new one, i tried to login with that one and the same issue occurs it won't let me to xfce(only root works) |
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| 14:44.09 | greycat | look for .xsession-errors in that user's home dir |
| 14:44.18 | annadane | stupid idea but try from the lightdm dropdown menu selecting "xfce session" instead of default session or whatever it's called |
| 14:44.27 | annadane | but yes also see .xsession-errors |
| 14:44.44 | annadane | i just know for me xfce has been finnicky and that's solved it |
| 14:45.10 | Tenkawa | can linux's lvm not do block level cloning? only filsystem lel? |
| 14:45.15 | Tenkawa | er level |
| 14:45.48 | jelly | Tenkawa: lvm does not do filesystem anything. |
| 14:46.04 | Tenkawa | bummer |
| 14:46.08 | Tenkawa | oh well |
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| 14:46.17 | jelly | it only deals with slicing and dicing block devices. |
| 14:46.34 | Tenkawa | actually thats not 100% true |
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| 14:46.50 | jelly | Tenkawa: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:47.54 | Tenkawa | add a second drive into a volume group.. extend the pvs.. and detach them to have it be its backup |
| 14:48.21 | Tenkawa | thats the way it was done back in original LVM implemtation |
| 14:48.36 | Tenkawa | er implementation |
| 14:48.54 | Tenkawa | wow my spelling reaks today |
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| 14:49.05 | jelly | you want to create a backup of the whole VG, all LVs on it? |
| 14:49.13 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 14:49.41 | Tenkawa | I cant find any way in the docs to pause/snapshot the lvs |
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| 14:50.03 | jelly | snapshots / clones are created using lvcreate. |
| 14:50.04 | Tenkawa | for the current way without creating temporary ones |
| 14:50.09 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 14:50.17 | Tenkawa | which uses up tons of space |
| 14:50.42 | jelly | it uses exactly the amount of space you tell it, or 100% |
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| 14:51.09 | Tenkawa | these unfortunately are huge |
| 14:51.29 | Tenkawa | compared to the backup vg |
| 14:52.06 | Tenkawa | on to plan 2... rsync to a 4 times a large array |
| 14:52.12 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
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| 14:52.41 | Tenkawa | after lunch |
| 14:52.50 | Tenkawa | bbialw.. cheers |
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| 15:06.43 | rant | xevilstar: she's is, but thats not why I see her. :P So what was the issue after you compiled the module? |
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| 15:07.20 | xevilstar | memory leak |
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| 15:07.34 | xevilstar | do you want some logs and the makefile ? |
| 15:07.58 | rant | xevilstar: how were you using it, just dropped it in along with the debian package or did you use it with the rest of what you compiled or what? |
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| 15:08.16 | xevilstar | I have installed all the debs |
| 15:08.26 | xevilstar | then downloaded the corresponding source |
| 15:08.50 | rant | xevilstar: so you compiled the java module with the debian source or the upstream source? |
| 15:08.57 | xevilstar | fixed the Makefile in order to find the headers and the jvm libs |
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| 15:09.06 | xevilstar | compiled it without errors |
| 15:09.14 | xevilstar | and moved it to the modules dir |
| 15:09.16 | rant | cause what I grabbed was the latest from github.. I was trying to gather why its not been packaged anymore |
| 15:09.35 | xevilstar | then configured it in the kamailio.cfg |
| 15:09.42 | rant | other than the makefile I haven't seen any reason it shouldnt still build on buster |
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| 15:10.26 | rant | the makefile of course needs the gcj thing set to no, and the paths for openjdk11 fixed |
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| 15:10.54 | xevilstar | wait I dcc it to you in a sec |
| 15:11.18 | rant | yeah I dont think a dcc will work and even if it did I haven't used that in like 30 years and never on this client so.. |
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| 15:11.50 | xevilstar | I am sending |
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| 15:12.04 | xevilstar | else pm me where you prefer it to be |
| 15:12.06 | xevilstar | :) |
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| 15:12.20 | xevilstar | (not pasting it to chan) |
| 15:12.49 | rant | you can netcat it to termbin or put in on paste.debian.net |
| 15:13.08 | rant | cat MakeFile | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 15:13.08 | xevilstar | pastebin will be then |
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| 15:14.02 | rant | xevilstar: but what I asked was, which source were you using? The debian source? From buster? sid? from that upstream repo? from the git? |
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| 15:14.26 | xevilstar | rant http://paste.debian.net/1085260/ |
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| 15:15.01 | rant | https://github.com/kamailio/kamailio/archive/master.zip is what I grabbed |
| 15:15.17 | xevilstar | both sources the debian buster one and the /usr/src/kamailio-5.2.3+buster one both same results with the corresponding debs |
| 15:15.42 | xevilstar | no rant you cannot compile the git source it has a different mayor and minor version |
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| 15:15.53 | xevilstar | the modules will not work |
| 15:16.25 | rant | thats what I'm asking :D which version you used and which you compiled java module from |
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| 15:16.31 | choice | Hello! When I am root, how do I ran a programm as another user? |
| 15:16.47 | rant | I wanted to see if the latest upstream would build on buster.. to find out why it is no longer there |
| 15:16.58 | jelly | choice: the command "su" can be used. |
| 15:17.00 | xevilstar | choice: man su |
| 15:17.15 | diogenes_ | choice, su username |
| 15:17.27 | choice | jelly: Let me try that ... |
| 15:17.28 | jelly | # su - jelly -c 'who am i' |
| 15:17.52 | greycat | does not like the direction this is heading |
| 15:18.01 | rant | heh |
| 15:18.10 | xevilstar | rant: ok I am giving you the repos |
| 15:18.11 | xevilstar | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free |
| 15:18.11 | xevilstar | deb [arch=amd64] http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/mariadb/repo/10.4/debian buster main |
| 15:18.16 | choice | "su joe libreoffice" gives me "/usr/bin/libreoffice: line 175: /mnt/e/data/my/tasks/oosplash: No such file or directory" |
| 15:18.21 | greycat | experimental?! |
| 15:18.30 | xevilstar | oh shit |
| 15:18.39 | xevilstar | cat my client |
| 15:18.42 | xevilstar | not the server |
| 15:18.46 | xevilstar | wrong terminal sorry |
| 15:18.59 | jelly | choice: run libreoffice as normal user, not as root. |
| 15:19.10 | jelly | choice: open a different terminal if you need to |
| 15:19.18 | choice | This seems to work: sudo -H -u user libreoffice |
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| 15:19.41 | jelly | yeah, don't run gui stuff via su. |
| 15:19.41 | xevilstar | rant: |
| 15:19.41 | xevilstar | deb http://deb.kamailio.org/kamailio52 buster main |
| 15:19.41 | xevilstar | deb-src http://deb.kamailio.org/kamailio52 buster main |
| 15:20.07 | xevilstar | greycat: on my personal client workstation i like to be on the bleeding edge |
| 15:20.12 | jelly | xevilstar: what's wrong with https://paste.debian.net |
| 15:20.19 | e | you really ought not to run things as non-root attached to a root tty :) |
| 15:20.25 | xevilstar | jelly: nothing |
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| 15:20.46 | jelly | e: some of us run grsecurity kernels that disable silly tty ioctls! |
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| 15:21.22 | e | fair enough |
| 15:21.30 | rant | greycat: you may have missed this earlier but the issue is that this user wants kamailio-java-module which was available up to stretch, and is in sid but only for two unoffcial ports hppa & sh4 its unknown as of yet why they stopped packaging this module but it had used gcj which is no longer in debian's gcc, but a simple setting gcj=no in the makefile and tweaing the openjdk11 paths makes it build on buster |
| 15:21.36 | rant | it would seem |
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| 15:22.20 | xevilstar | problem being that it crashes kamailio creating a memory leak |
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| 15:22.57 | xevilstar | core> [core/route.c:872]: fix_actions(): fixing xlog() |
| 15:22.57 | xevilstar | May 31 15:15:03 PROXY-TEST-01 /usr/sbin/kamailio[16509]: CRITICAL: <core> [core/mem/q_malloc.c:144]: qm_debug_check_frag(): BUG: qm: prev. fragm. tail overwritten(55c775816cd0, abcdefed)[0x7f64aa9c9d80:0x7f64aa9c9db8]! Memory allocator was called from xlog: xlog.c:498. Fragment marked by core: db_res.c:88. Exec from core/mem/q_malloc.c:384 |
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| 15:24.34 | xevilstar | rant: got the paste ? |
| 15:27.07 | rant | xevilstar: yeah well I dont have a clue what to do with this program in the first place.. I was merely trying to see if this module would build on buster and trying to see if I could find any info either in Debian or upstream as to why its broken.. the code /has/ been modified recently for some memory macros about 5 months ago |
| 15:27.30 | rant | xevilstar: thats why I was pressing on what version you were using specifically |
| 15:27.53 | xevilstar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.05 | rant | I see nowhere anyone saying definitively "this" is why we stopped packaging this module |
| 15:28.24 | greycat | what's the package name? |
| 15:28.39 | xevilstar | rant: sadly my boss wants it else will have me for dinner |
| 15:28.43 | xevilstar | kindof |
| 15:28.47 | xevilstar | :) |
| 15:29.10 | xevilstar | greycat: kamailio-java-something |
| 15:29.21 | rant | greycat: it was kamilio-java-modules https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=kamailio-java-modules |
| 15:29.55 | rant | greycat: the sid version of it is only for two unofficial ports and the version is older than buster's version of kamailio |
| 15:29.59 | greycat | wow, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kamailio-java-something just throws an error |
| 15:30.23 | greycat | oh. you didn't give me the real name. :( |
| 15:30.35 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kamailio |
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| 15:31.58 | greycat | ah, this is a source package that builds a *shitload* of binary packages for different languages, and you're asking about just one of those binary packages... |
| 15:32.09 | xevilstar | yes |
| 15:32.13 | xevilstar | exactly |
| 15:32.14 | yogurt2ungue | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.34 | xevilstar | greycat: crazy life isn't it ? |
| 15:32.54 | rant | thinks greycat has me ignore in #debian :P |
| 15:33.17 | greycat | rant: no |
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| 15:33.43 | greycat | but xevilstar gave the wrong pkg name first and I started pursuing that one before I saw your correction |
| 15:33.59 | xevilstar | greycat: sorry |
| 15:34.16 | xevilstar | facepalm |
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| 15:34.54 | rant | I was unable to find any documented reason why this one module was no longer included.. only issues I seen is the loss of the gcj thing and some simple changes to the MakeFile for this module fixes that problem |
| 15:35.13 | greycat | pick any one of the remaining kamailio* packages, grab the Debian changelog and try to find a place where they talk about no longer building/shipping the -java-* pieces |
| 15:35.30 | greycat | if it's not in the Debian changelog, look for a bug report |
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| 15:35.37 | xevilstar | rant: and the ..-. --- -..- - .-. --- - / ..- -. .. ..-. --- .-. -- / -.-. .... .- .-. .-.. .. . / -.- .. .-.. --- ing reason is ..... gcj has been removed |
| 15:35.49 | xevilstar | that package requires gcj |
| 15:36.12 | xevilstar | I managed to tweak the makefile into using openjdk as you can see in the paste |
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| 15:37.01 | rant | I'll be honest, idk wtf gcj is, just that we dont have it anymore.. heh.. if I wouldn't even let an employer say ja-- before my desk was vacant and I was nowhere to be found.. |
| 15:37.18 | greycat | gcj is like gcc but it compiles Java instead of C |
| 15:37.52 | rant | but near as I can tell the module builds without it if you install openjdk11 set gcj=no in the makefile and tweak the java paths a bit |
| 15:38.30 | xevilstar | greycat: gcj is dead |
| 15:39.03 | greycat | I wish all of Java were dead, but the headless chicken keeps running around and crashing into things. |
| 15:39.23 | xevilstar | rant: clues ? |
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| 15:39.53 | rant | xevilstar: idk greycat had a good point about the changelogs.. I checked bts and tracker I didnt get around to grepping the changelog before I left |
| 15:40.45 | xevilstar | rant: btw the crashlog says ........ core> [core/route.c:872]: fix_actions(): fixing xlog() |
| 15:40.45 | xevilstar | May 31 15:15:03 PROXY-TEST-01 /usr/sbin/kamailio[16509]: CRITICAL: <core> [core/mem/q_malloc.c:144]: qm_debug_check_frag(): BUG: qm: prev. fragm. tail overwritten(55c775816cd0, abcdefed)[0x7f64aa9c9d80:0x7f64aa9c9db8]! Memory allocator was called from xlog: xlog.c:498. Fragment marked by core: db_res.c:88. Exec from core/mem/q_malloc.c:384. |
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| 15:41.07 | xevilstar | malloc = memory leak |
| 15:41.17 | rant | on the one hand, the popcon score is low, and that codebase hasn't changed much in years other than one fairly recent change.. but I'd think if people were using this they'd have to have realized these issues, and when I went looking for alternatives this kamilio thing was the top recommended thing to use so idk.. |
| 15:42.10 | rant | I would assume this java module is just to be able to code around this server in java.. which I'd rather have a colonoscopy than do that |
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| 15:42.30 | xevilstar | thanks guys think it's time for me go home and enjoy some weekend... hope I will see you on Monday |
| 15:42.33 | xevilstar | :) |
| 15:43.30 | rant | ,bug 892538 |
| 15:43.31 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/892538 in src:kamailio (closed, buster, sid): «kamailio: Depends on GCJ which is going away»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-03-10; last modified: 2018-04-26. |
| 15:43.39 | rant | ,bug 893701 |
| 15:43.40 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/893701 in src:kamailio (closed, buster, patch, sid): «kamailio-java-modules package (GCJ based) needs to be removed or ported to OpenJDK»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-03-21; last modified: 2018-04-26. |
| 15:44.12 | xevilstar | if you have any clues comment/vote on this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929803 |
| 15:44.33 | rant | looks like thats why it was removed.. which I don't get.. cause I'm not a java developer and the thing seemed like it could compile on openjdk already with very minor makefile tweaks |
| 15:44.41 | greycat | sounds like it needs someone who knows Java to help port it to OpenJDK |
| 15:44.56 | xevilstar | judd: that is not the problem the problem is the memory leak after install |
| 15:45.06 | xevilstar | ok /me goes afk |
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| 15:52.14 | rant | he needs to use stretch for the time being with the upstream deb repo, and then either get comfortable with maintaining that, or come up with a long-term plan to migrate away from the java module or to work out the bugs with it on openjdk. |
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| 15:53.10 | rant | cause really the crux of his issue was needing kamailio 5 and for w/e reason apparently upgraded to buster to try achieve this only to realize there was no java module on buster cause stretch is the last release to have gcj-jre |
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| 15:55.11 | rant | heh.. I just did something really stupid.. |
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| 15:55.33 | greycat | touched java? :) |
| 15:55.45 | rant | na way worse.. I just removed nearly all my system |
| 15:56.00 | rant | cause I didnt pay attention before confirming what apt was doing |
| 15:56.08 | rant | thats pretty annoying |
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| 15:57.48 | magic_ninja | can anyone suggest a good wifi dongle. |
| 15:57.58 | magic_ninja | I can't find good drives for this one. I built a set but they keep crashing. |
| 15:58.21 | petn-randall | magic_ninja: Depends on what you plan on doing with it. |
| 15:58.39 | rant | well I may be exaggerating a tad.. I just removed 176 packages.. and at leas half of them I didnt intend to remove |
| 15:59.03 | petn-randall | and how much you're willing to spend. IIRC Mediatek has some problematic/unsupported chipsets, so I'd avoid them if possible. |
| 15:59.07 | greycat | as long as you can put them back, it's not a grave error |
| 15:59.31 | rant | yeah.. I got a laptop with dual batteries and a log of what happened.. its reversible |
| 15:59.52 | rant | but can't think of how to do it putting things back to their original state.. they'll all be manually installed now |
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| 16:01.26 | petn-randall | rant: You can always mark them as installed "automatically" with aptitude. |
| 16:01.58 | ihateAdmins | i ran a useful command in ssh and it affected a bunch of packages as well as network-manager now it is broken... the sad thing isn't to fix it, but to remember what it was for |
| 16:03.50 | jelly | rant: or apt-mark |
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| 16:04.06 | jelly | in case you do not have aptitude installed for some reason |
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| 16:05.07 | ihateAdmins | is there a log file which shows the used commands? |
| 16:05.29 | greycat | Not *all* of them, no. What are you actually looking for? |
| 16:06.15 | ihateAdmins | i want to know my latest command in ssh it broke my network-manager package and therefore ssh and vnc, i need to know what the command was |
| 16:06.50 | greycat | if you were ssh'ed into system A with an interactive, shell, then it's probably in your .bash_history on system A |
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| 16:06.59 | greycat | assuming you logged out of A at some point |
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| 16:07.55 | greycat | if you haven't logged out of that session yet, then you can use the 'history' command inside the shell inside that session |
| 16:08.09 | brabo | good day to all. i wanted to try out netsurf and to my surprise i see it is in jessie and sid, but not in buster. is there any particular reason? will it come to buster too? |
| 16:08.23 | jelly | dpkg, why is netsurf not in testing |
| 16:08.24 | dpkg | netsurf is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=netsurf |
| 16:08.41 | ihateAdmins | that session is gone, i restarted it after the pc wasn't responding and .bash_history doesn't show it |
| 16:08.43 | brabo | jelly: ah thanks! |
| 16:08.52 | jelly | brabo: probably "no security support and known security issues" |
| 16:09.15 | greycat | ihateAdmins: if the system crashed or if bash was killed by -9 or something, then the command may not have made it into history |
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| 16:11.27 | brabo | jelly: aah and i also spot buster should be in freeze now, i was not aware :) |
| 16:11.29 | ihateAdmins | well i have to fix network-manager without wlan connection, i copied Networkmanager from git and have it on a usb, but there is no installation guide or deb file |
| 16:11.43 | BazookaTooth | exit |
| 16:11.44 | rant | jelly: is that a plugin or a factoid with argument variables? |
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| 16:12.27 | greycat | buster has been in full freeze for a while now |
| 16:13.16 | brabo | i haven't been spending much time behind computers lately so it went unnoticed for me until now ;) |
| 16:14.41 | brabo | thanks for the infos! |
| 16:15.21 | jelly | rant: factoid |
| 16:15.39 | rant | brabo: it was announced over a year ago |
| 16:15.55 | jelly | dpkg: literal CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing |
| 16:15.56 | dpkg | "cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing" is "($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=$1" |
| 16:16.11 | rant | ah.. I had done: |
| 16:16.16 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.49 | stefanos82 | greetings everyone. those of you who use Debian as your server of choice, both for bare metal and VPS, what are the steps you usually follow to secure it as much as possible? I'm interested in security in general. Please advice, thank you. |
| 16:21.04 | cbilt | ihateAdmins: i remember ceptor had some success with this problem |
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| 16:22.26 | ihateAdmins | Well i tried setting up wlan0 first with net-setup which is not existing and second manually with wpa_passphrase ... but dhcpcd isn't installed |
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| 16:25.07 | ihateAdmins | this is giving me quiet a headache now, i was almost finished and was finally getting to install gpu drivers.. |
| 16:25.20 | cbilt | don't you have cablez |
| 16:25.26 | ihateAdmins | no |
| 16:25.33 | ihateAdmins | everything but lan |
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| 16:27.24 | ihateAdmins | im trying it with the network-manager.deb now |
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| 16:28.12 | Tom-_ | stefanos82, maybe try https://www.linode.com/docs/security/securing-your-server/ for starters |
| 16:28.34 | ksk | stefanos82: these kind of questios (some ask them from time to time) do not really fit the scope of this channel, nor do I know of something that you could read and be good. |
| 16:28.53 | stefanos82 | Tom-_: thank you for the link. |
| 16:28.56 | ksk | stefanos82: disabling password login for ssh is always a good Ide though. |
| 16:29.12 | stefanos82 | ksk: well, I have an experience around security, but want to know more |
| 16:30.34 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: Not running ssh on port 22 (or 222) is a good idea. There are lots of little things like that. You could look around for server hardening guides. |
| 16:30.37 | stefanos82 | I was asked to set up a VPS for a candidate customer and wanted to know whether the steps I already follow are decent enough to configure a VPS to work without much hiccups |
| 16:30.38 | cbilt | for me it's important to allow root login over ssh |
| 16:31.15 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: It really depends a lot on usage. Are there going to be multiple semi-trusted shell users, or only a couple of admins and a web site? |
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| 16:32.22 | stefanos82 | jhutchins_wk: most of the time, I read articles and watch conference videos that divide the community in two battlefields: those who say there's no need to change the default port of SSH and those who insist on changing it to something else than the default. I tend to agree with both, depending on each side's justification |
| 16:33.31 | stefanos82 | jhutchins_wk: your last question is indeed a very nice one, thank you. The customer will definitely need to have some sFTP access (mind the lower 's' I used here) |
| 16:33.34 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: If you have a server on the internet with ssh listening on port 22, you will get DOS attacks. That's just a fact of modern life. |
| 16:34.01 | ksk | jhutchins_wk: I would disagree on that last statement ;) |
| 16:34.07 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: If you move the port, you're still vulnerable to port scanners, but you are a lower-yeild target because you've obviously done at least basic hardening. |
| 16:34.31 | stefanos82 | the thing is, if I secure it with SSH key, then what should be the ideal use to allow the user to access his or her sFTP account without needing to worry about the key? |
| 16:35.03 | ksk | also nice: someone stated on twitter there is a remote code execution bug in nginx. CVE and patches pending.. |
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| 16:35.41 | ksk | stefanos82: they would need a key then to use sftp. "winscp" on windows can do that for example, if you have windows users. if not, its even easier I suppose. |
| 16:35.41 | ihateAdmins | so how do i get a wlan connection without network-manager and no internet on that machine? |
| 16:35.56 | nimba | Hi. How can I disable the screen magnification feature that is bound to Alt-mouseScrollWheel in Xfce with composite on? |
| 16:36.06 | cbilt | ihateAdmins: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ enjoy |
| 16:36.06 | stefanos82 | jhutchins_wk: true. also fail2ban does some kind of protection, I have to admit. Not everyone like it, but it does work most of the time |
| 16:36.11 | jhutchins_wk | ihateAdmins: Static configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:36.15 | jhutchins_wk | !interfaces |
| 16:36.16 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 16:36.18 | ksk | ihateAdmins: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 16:36.45 | jhutchins_wk | !wpa_supplicant |
| 16:36.46 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. https://wiki.debian.org/WPA https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 16:36.52 | ksk | ihateAdmins: iirc you need to put your wifi password into some hashing foo, and put that into a config. see the link.. |
| 16:36.53 | stefanos82 | ksk: what worries me is the coming request which I'm 1000% sure they will ask me: how about cPanel? |
| 16:37.04 | ksk | stefanos82: how about no? :D |
| 16:37.17 | stefanos82 | ksk: yeah lol that would be hilarious |
| 16:37.22 | jhutchins_wk | !webmin |
| 16:37.22 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 16:37.31 | ihateAdmins | i did install the drivers and as i wrote before i tried it with wpa_supplicant but it didn't work |
| 16:37.32 | ksk | if you have administrators, which are worth that term, you dont want to have cPanel or the likes I would say. |
| 16:37.49 | ksk | ihateAdmins: "did not work" is not too helpful. |
| 16:38.05 | stefanos82 | ksk: the user(s) will need to use the sFTP as they have requested it |
| 16:38.08 | stefanos82 | WordPress you know... |
| 16:38.10 | stefanos82 | don't ask |
| 16:38.32 | ihateAdmins | well it is successfully initalized, but i need a ip, but dhcpcd isn't installed |
| 16:38.33 | ksk | stefanos82: no problem with sFTP as far as Im concerned ( not sure how WP does fit in here though..) |
| 16:38.45 | ksk | ihateAdmins: then configure an IP? |
| 16:38.50 | stefanos82 | ksk: for sFTP uploads of theirs |
| 16:39.13 | stefanos82 | I didn't bother asking too many questions so I could avoid the unnecessary headaches |
| 16:39.13 | jhutchins_wk | ihateAdmins: Either assign a static IP that isn't in use, or install dhclient. |
| 16:39.58 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: Once you get WP and WP-CLI working, they shouldn't need sFTP. WP handles uploads on it's own. |
| 16:40.46 | stefanos82 | jhutchins_wk: personally I use WP-CLI as I find it way better to control my environment, but I need to respect a customer's request |
| 16:40.53 | stefanos82 | and I need to secure them as much as possible |
| 16:41.31 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: They should be able to manage it entirely from the WP Admin system. This is something that's evolved, so they may have outdated expectations. |
| 16:41.59 | ihateAdmins | dhclient did stop at dhcprelease and how would i setup a static ip? |
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| 16:42.52 | jhutchins_wk | !networking |
| 16:42.52 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 16:43.08 | stefanos82 | jhutchins_wk: very nice. so your suggestion would be to avoid giving them access to sFTP? |
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| 16:43.42 | stefanos82 | how about project collaboration I have with a business partner? How can he access the VPS since I have the original SSH keys? |
| 16:43.45 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: Well, I think I might go ahead and set it up because they expect it, but you might be able to remove it or at least not have to maintain it. |
| 16:43.47 | ihateAdmins | well iface isn't even installed |
| 16:44.09 | jhutchins_wk | stefanos82: Either set up an account for him or share the keys. |
| 16:44.45 | jhutchins_wk | ihateAdmins: Is this some sort of "cloud" server? |
| 16:44.51 | stefanos82 | jhutchins_wk: I could setup the sFTP, no worries, but that would mean no SSH keys for the sake of customer convenience; guess who's going to hear the nagging afterwards lol! |
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| 16:45.20 | ihateAdmins | it's my second pc next to me i only have wireless adapters and it was all fine until network-manager decided to go corrupt |
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| 16:55.59 | ihateAdmins | would it be possible to fix it with livecd chroot? |
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| 16:58.22 | milkt | ihateAdmins: why don't you reinstall network-manager |
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| 16:58.59 | ihateAdmins | because it is broken, so i don't have internet for it and the deb file i downloaded needs dependecies which i can't get because of no connection |
| 16:59.00 | greycat | maybe they hate managers too? |
| 17:00.32 | milkt | i guess you have physical access, get .deb files from other device, then transfer it |
| 17:01.11 | ihateAdmins | i did, but as i said it need a lot of other debs then as well and only if im lucky i will eventually have installed all debs |
| 17:02.16 | ihateAdmins | i would have to get all those requirments and maybe they do have requirments as well so... https://debian.pkgs.org/9/debian-main-amd64/network-manager_1.6.2-3+deb9u2_amd64.deb.html |
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| 17:03.07 | mandala | zxrf: |
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| 17:05.26 | milkt | ihateAdmins: apt-cache depends --recurse --no-recommends --no-suggests --no-conflicts --no-breaks --no-replaces --no-enhances --no-pre-depends network-manager | grep "^\w", will give you all dependency list, as far as i know |
| 17:05.44 | ihateAdmins | ok livecd does work maybe it will save me, before i have to reinstall the os |
| 17:05.45 | greycat | woah, apt-cache --recurse? |
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| 17:06.12 | ihateAdmins | well either way i would have to download every single package on my usb for that |
| 17:06.21 | ihateAdmins | im trying to fix it with chroot |
| 17:06.37 | greycat | damn, that's been in since at least wheezy and I never knew about it |
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| 17:07.24 | magic_ninja | Turns out the wireless adapter is the USB port. |
| 17:07.34 | magic_ninja | I switched up ports and it is working fine now. |
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| 17:09.22 | ihateAdmins | i wouldn't have think that i would have to fix sooo many issues in debian... kali doesn't give me any issue at all and gentoo was even less problematic |
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| 17:10.44 | magic_ninja | debian isn't necessarily configured like those versions. |
| 17:11.12 | ihateAdmins | i never said that, of course i use debian handbook/wiki tutorials |
| 17:12.34 | ksk | ihateAdmins: you are not able to setup a static IP address for your wireless interface? ( I did skip some lines..) |
| 17:13.12 | ksk | also, if you did choose a "desktop" in the installert, I suppose it would have installed dhcp and the likes? |
| 17:13.14 | ihateAdmins | no i couldn't well i'm currently fixing it with chroot so i will reply sooner or later |
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| 17:17.48 | ihateAdmins | allright im safe |
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| 17:18.42 | ihateAdmins | and i was worrying that i would have to install gentoo now =( |
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| 17:22.11 | demo | hi |
| 17:22.14 | demo | i need help |
| 17:22.29 | ihateAdmins | just ask your question :) |
| 17:22.31 | dvs | !ask |
| 17:22.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:22.55 | demo | I was trying to install mx linux and selected erase entire disk but it got failed |
| 17:23.13 | demo | now getting system boot fail |
| 17:23.20 | ihateAdmins | is that debian related..?^^ |
| 17:23.28 | demo | yes |
| 17:23.31 | demo | mx linux |
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| 17:23.36 | dvs | !mxlinux |
| 17:23.37 | dpkg | Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. |
| 17:23.52 | demo | can some one help |
| 17:24.14 | zamuro | !help |
| 17:24.26 | annadane | we don't support mx linux here, unfortunately, as it isn't debian |
| 17:24.35 | annadane | you may try what dpkg linked or ask ##linux |
| 17:25.01 | ihateAdmins | if you are setting up your linux look for youtube tutorials or even better the official handbooks |
| 17:25.19 | demo | i just selected erase dist |
| 17:25.23 | demo | disk |
| 17:25.34 | demo | but it is failng |
| 17:25.48 | dvs | you're not getting help for MXLinux here. |
| 17:26.02 | demo | wtf |
| 17:26.06 | ihateAdmins | as said before we can't really help you it's not debian and i can't really help you like that if i don't even know what you mean |
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| 17:26.09 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 17:26.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:26.12 | demo | it is debian |
| 17:26.19 | dvs | no, it's not |
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| 17:26.48 | demo | lol |
| 17:26.50 | ihateAdmins | demo if you really want help try to provide more information |
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| 17:27.27 | annadane | no, do not provide more information. support for it isn't given here |
| 17:27.41 | demo | i selected auto install using entier disk in mx linux installer |
| 17:27.49 | ihateAdmins | is that a rule? Like would i not be allowed to answer? |
| 17:28.00 | dvs | ihateAdmins, not in here |
| 17:28.36 | milkt | demo: are you getting any error message? |
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| 17:28.43 | ihateAdmins | demo go and lookup for some tutorials for that and sry but if it's about the installation you really need to stick to tutorials and handbooks you won't get support for that from anywhere |
| 17:29.04 | milkt | try debian installer then people here can help i guess |
| 17:29.07 | greycat | the installer is one of the most uniquely customized pieces of a distro |
| 17:29.17 | demo | ok |
| 17:29.22 | greycat | nobody in #debian can help you with any other distro's installer |
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| 17:29.36 | ihateAdmins | !rules |
| 17:29.37 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
| 17:29.37 | demo | will see video now |
| 17:29.52 | ihateAdmins | !based |
| 17:30.01 | ihateAdmins | !based on debian |
| 17:30.02 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:30.10 | annadane | feel free to /msg dpkg, to avoid spam |
| 17:30.40 | zamuro | ihateAdmins having fun with the bot? |
| 17:30.52 | ihateAdmins | i was just looking 2 things up lol |
| 17:30.56 | annadane | i blame that person who said "wow it's so quiet in here" |
| 17:30.57 | greycat | wooledg:~$ env UID=42 bash -c 'echo "$UID"' |
| 17:30.57 | greycat | 42 |
| 17:31.01 | greycat | sorry, mischannel |
| 17:31.02 | annadane | it's been downhill ever since |
| 17:32.10 | demo | which distro is suported here |
| 17:32.11 | demo | ? |
| 17:32.20 | ihateAdmins | DEBIAN :') |
| 17:32.26 | dvs | just Debian |
| 17:32.31 | dvs | pure Debian |
| 17:32.34 | demo | deabian based ? |
| 17:32.37 | dvs | no |
| 17:32.57 | annadane | really, just debian. the problem with supporting alternative distributions is we have less experience using them and we can't really apply our experience to them, and doing so would only spam the channel for actual debian support questions |
| 17:32.57 | ihateAdmins | dude you are asking for a mute lmao you broke multiple rules since you joined |
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| 17:41.02 | dvs | evil twin! |
| 17:42.21 | ihateAdmins | ye what's with that? |
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| 17:49.20 | ihateAdmins | well my network-manager is repaired, but my network-manager-applet in the task bar disappeared |
| 17:49.23 | ihateAdmins | how do i repair that? |
| 17:50.42 | diogenes_ | nm-applet |
| 17:51.13 | ihateAdmins | doesn't exist |
| 17:51.33 | diogenes_ | what DE? |
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| 17:51.52 | ihateAdmins | the newest streched |
| 17:52.04 | greycat | ihateAdmins: someone asked about that earliner in the week, and they seemed happy with network-manager-gnome |
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| 17:52.21 | diogenes_ | ihateAdmins, DE = Desktop Environment |
| 17:52.26 | ihateAdmins | well im running on xfce, won't that cause issues? |
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| 17:52.33 | greycat | ihateAdmins: "what DE" means do you run GNOME, or KDE, or XFCE, or none of the above? |
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| 17:52.48 | ihateAdmins | ah sry i thought "DE"stribution ; xfce |
| 17:53.33 | diogenes_ | ihateAdmins, run: sudo apt install network-manager network-manager-gnome |
| 17:53.39 | diogenes_ | then run: nm-applet in terminal |
| 17:53.45 | diogenes_ | and it should appear |
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| 17:54.10 | diogenes_ | but you need to add the plugin to the panel = Notification Area |
| 17:55.19 | humpled | hmm |
| 17:55.57 | ihateAdmins | great it's fixed |
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| 17:57.24 | ihateAdmins | i have 5 different ipv6 adresses assigned to the interface how do i remove them? It is not done by network-manager. I probably set it up when i was trying to fix the interface before... |
| 17:57.49 | greycat | why bother to remove them? just leave it. |
| 17:58.34 | ihateAdmins | well you are right, but i don't like that text spam in ifconfig |
| 17:59.04 | greycat | !hurts |
| 17:59.42 | somiaj | ifconfig is depericated, using ip might be preferable. |
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| 18:00.02 | somiaj | Though it will still list that info, just differently |
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| 18:01.34 | greycat | dpkg, hurts is <reply>"Doctor, it hurts when I bend my arm this way!" |
| 18:01.34 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 18:01.45 | dvs | so don't bend that way! |
| 18:01.58 | ihateAdmins | well i know.. but i like ifconfigs output more.. i will switch to ip sooner or later |
| 18:02.09 | ihateAdmins | i was able to flush the adresses |
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| 18:04.42 | ihateAdmins | nevermind after reconnecting the interface gets all the ipv6 back |
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| 18:13.05 | khagan | i wanted to make my usb flash drive to be the os so i used unetbootin to make it a live usb disk so i can use it anywhere but when i rebooted it with usb drive it was saying that there was no root file is defined.am i doing something incorrectly?? |
| 18:13.42 | khagan | file system* |
| 18:13.43 | milkt | !unetbootin |
| 18:13.43 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 18:14.37 | khagan | so should i use rufus or lili?? |
| 18:15.14 | ihateAdmins | use win32diskimager |
| 18:15.20 | ihateAdmins | or on linux dd |
| 18:15.48 | diogenes_ | khagan, or etcher. |
| 18:16.47 | khagan | fine will try with those:) |
| 18:16.48 | somiaj | You aren't clear what you are copying to the usb. But debian images can get mangled by unetbootin, rufus, lili, or anything else that claims to make usb bootable. Debian images are already bootable. |
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| 18:18.39 | diogenes_ | i guess even: sudo co debian.iso /dev/sdx |
| 18:18.56 | diogenes_ | cp* |
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| 18:19.35 | somiaj | that is the suggested way for debian images, but the question was not clear on what 'make my usb flash drive the os', since there are many ways to goa bout this. |
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| 18:29.42 | khagan | ya i am window guy just trying to make it work.but started with installing debian from usb drive(which i think could be done with done with unetbootin)..but then i think i shifted to making into make it a bootable debian usb(which was different if)which could be done with lili(unixstackexchange suggested that) which could be used from anywhere...so ya i was not sure what i was doing... |
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| 18:30.51 | khagan | are you guys like the sadist elites or the not so sadist type??last ques before i am thrown out:) but it was fun |
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| 18:33.25 | milkt | khagan: i'm not sure about what do you want to do exactly, but there is official bootable debian live image(not installer), or you can also install debian into usb memory drive |
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| 18:40.56 | annadane | we're not sadist, we're pretty friendly... mostly |
| 18:40.59 | somiaj | khagan: read the install guide, it gives you proper suggestions on how to copy a debian iso image to a usb drive. It suggest win32diskimager |
| 18:43.08 | ihateAdmins | lol sadists on this irc nice one, if you aren't smart enough to lookup a simple youtube video than im sorry, but it's either too early or not ment for you |
| 18:43.29 | greycat | also bear in mind that many of us have never written a CD from a Windows system, or have very limited experience in that area |
| 18:43.38 | greycat | same for USB thingies |
| 18:44.00 | greycat | has to keep reminding himself that the kids these days don't write CDs regularly |
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| 18:45.22 | khagan | annadane;ok:),others people:)i was watching youtube video(NOW) before you told me that... |
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| 18:47.11 | somiaj | The one skill you should pick up early with debian is learning to read documentation, all this info is clearly presented in the install guide. |
| 18:48.06 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch04s03.html.en -- note this does give linux info first, but it mentions that win32diskimager can be used in windows. |
| 18:48.45 | somiaj | (also documentation can seem daungthing at first, because it is listing all possible ways, which maybe more than your single use case) |
| 18:49.47 | khagan | ty somiaj |
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| 19:33.05 | Neobenedict | is there a way to have multiple game servers invisibly appearing on the default port |
| 19:33.16 | Neobenedict | eg. with nginx subdomains |
| 19:33.36 | greycat | So many questions... let's start with "what does invisibly appearing mean". |
| 19:34.39 | Neobenedict | here i have two minecraft servers |
| 19:34.42 | Neobenedict | one IP address |
| 19:34.54 | Neobenedict | I want people to type mc1.server.com and mc2.server.com |
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| 19:35.05 | Neobenedict | not mc.server.com:25565 mc.server.com:25575 |
| 19:35.22 | greycat | I don't know anything about minecraft. I'm *guessing* this is not going to be possible. |
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| 19:35.58 | Neobenedict | theres no iptables/nginx fuckery that can do it without extra ipv4 |
| 19:37.00 | vishal | not sure where ngnix comes into the picture for a minecraft server, but if it is, reverse proxy to a different port? |
| 19:37.24 | Neobenedict | well nginx can definitely do "subdomains" but i dont know at what level that falls |
| 19:37.30 | greycat | someone with knowledge of how minecraft works would have to assist you |
| 19:37.41 | Neobenedict | if the subdomain resolution is anything http related |
| 19:37.58 | Neobenedict | greycat: pretend it's ssh, ftp, etc |
| 19:37.59 | Neobenedict | all the same |
| 19:38.12 | greycat | if it's ssh then this is a hard NO, it will not work, period. |
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| 19:38.25 | vishal | I doubt http is involved (I could be wrong). Any subdomain resolution would happen at the DNS level |
| 19:38.26 | greycat | if the minecraft protocol operates over http then it's a whole different story |
| 19:38.35 | Neobenedict | it does not |
| 19:38.46 | Neobenedict | but if subdomain resolution happens before any http stuff |
| 19:38.52 | Neobenedict | then it can be used as a reverse proxy |
| 19:39.34 | Neobenedict | this is a question for #nginx |
| 19:40.03 | greycat | I doubt it |
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| 19:41.33 | vishal | heh seems like minecraft can grok SRV records to get a port number |
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| 19:42.09 | vishal | https://gaming.stackexchange.com/a/106666 |
| 19:44.29 | Neobenedict | vishal: is srv lookup client-sid |
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| 19:44.38 | Neobenedict | client-side |
| 19:46.21 | vishal | yes. but assuming your goal is for users to be able to specify {mc1,mc2}.something.com without providing a port, SRV records should accomplish that. |
| 19:46.40 | vishal | Your actual servers would run on two different ports |
| 19:46.54 | Neobenedict | good, and what about servers (csgo) that dont support srv? |
| 19:47.01 | greycat | !xy |
| 19:47.01 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 19:47.01 | Neobenedict | out of luck I guess |
| 19:47.02 | vishal | :shrug: |
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| 19:47.22 | Neobenedict | I was already aware of srv and planned to use it for minecraft but MC is the only thing that supports it it seems |
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| 19:47.33 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:47.39 | Neobenedict | I was hoping for a more general solution... |
| 19:47.42 | Neobenedict | but I guess it doesn't exist |
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| 19:55.07 | annadane | i guess this will be in the release notes but does debian generally recommend to purge obsolete config files before dist-upgrading to the new stable? |
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| 20:01.38 | jhutchins_wk | Does 10-20 seconds seem like an unacceptable wait to load a web page? |
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| 20:02.34 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: Not that I've seen. It will offer to retain or replace a file if a package is upgraded. |
| 20:03.06 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: I'm not sure what it does if the package is no longer installed but wasn't purged. |
| 20:03.14 | annadane | i just removed a truckload of packages i don't really want but just decided to apt remove instead of purge to be "less destructive" |
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| 20:13.30 | annadane | i *should* just purge |
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| 20:15.13 | Sir_Cheer | YOUR MOM |
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| 20:25.03 | humpled | what's the worst that could happen |
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| 20:27.01 | budgie | hello, what is the difference of apt and apt-get ? |
| 20:28.35 | greycat | budgie: apt-get has a stable interface (arguments, options, output format), whereas apt is ever-changing. apt is aimed more at beginners, with colored output and stuff. |
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| 20:28.57 | greycat | and why the hell can't I find a factoid on this |
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| 20:29.50 | budgie | to me, "ever-changing" sounds like rolling release. is it stable? and what do you recommend? |
| 20:30.28 | greycat | today it uses yellow. tomorrow it may be blue. or purple. who the hell knows. |
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| 20:30.49 | budgie | even in stable debian releases? |
| 20:30.56 | greycat | no |
| 20:31.03 | budgie | ah |
| 20:31.20 | budgie | got you wrong then, sorry |
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| 20:31.59 | annadane | i'm just curious how dpkg will keep the conf files the same upon upgrades for packages if the syntax changes |
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| 20:32.35 | greycat | either there'll be a conversion done in a postinst script, or there'll be a brand new config file and you're prompted whether to use it or keep your old one |
| 20:32.50 | greycat | it will depend on the package, and whether you edited the config file by hand |
| 20:33.18 | budgie | will dpkg backup the old config file when you select you want the new one? |
| 20:33.25 | greycat | yeah |
| 20:33.41 | greycat | /etc/ca-certificates.conf.dpkg-old |
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| 20:35.38 | annadane | wing it, essentially :P |
| 20:35.50 | annadane | that said i should look into keeping a git repo |
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| 20:40.45 | jhutchins_wk | budgie: Apt is really still in development, but the version released in stable is just that, stable. I believe apt-get is the oldest, with the least features (which is sometimes an advantage), aptitude is the flagship, solid and full of functions, apt is the "man, we need to start over from scratch" version. |
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| 20:43.54 | m0rd3cai | Im having a bit of trouble trying to understand how a service gets masked. Every apt-get or dpkg command ends with "cups.service failed to start. service is masked" ive tried 'sudo service unmask cups.service' no error message when command was run. restarting the service throws the same error |
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| 20:45.26 | jmcnaught | m0rd3cai: what does "systemctl status cups.service" say? |
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| 20:46.25 | m0rd3cai | "loaded: masked (/dev/null; bad) then Active: inactive (dead) |
| 20:47.00 | m0rd3cai | im checking the logs and found this in syslog |
| 20:47.02 | m0rd3cai | audit: type=1400 audit(1559335175.473:368): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" info="same as current profile, skipping" profile="unconfined" name="/usr/sbin/cups-browsed" pid=16602 comm="apparmor_parser" |
| 20:47.55 | jmcnaught | m0rd3cai: is there a symlink to /dev/null at /etc/systemd/system/cups.service? |
| 20:48.13 | budgie | jhutchins_wk: thanks for explaining :) |
| 20:49.16 | m0rd3cai | yes, cups.path cups.service and cups.socket are all -> /dev/null |
| 20:50.39 | m0rd3cai | i dont understand how a service gets masked |
| 20:51.14 | jmcnaught | m0rd3cai: a service gets masked by symlinking it to /dev/null, so if you delete those symlinks (which is what systemctl unmask is supposed to do) they'll be unmasked |
| 20:51.33 | jmcnaught | cups is not masked by default, so maybe you masked it at one point? |
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| 20:52.09 | m0rd3cai | ive run that command twice now and it appears to have worked. no errors reported. tried to reconfigure cups, tried to remove cups. |
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| 20:54.20 | m0rd3cai | just did sudo systemctl list-unit-files and cups.path is showing masked. if service cups unmask doesnt fix the sym link would this require manually editing the symlink? |
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| 20:54.54 | jmcnaught | m0rd3cai: why are you using the service command, use "systemctl unmask cups.service cups.socket cups.path cups-browsed.service" |
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| 20:57.19 | m0rd3cai | Removed the symlink cups.socket and cups.service |
| 20:57.53 | m0rd3cai | dude you rock. |
| 20:58.10 | m0rd3cai | i need to read more on service vs systemctl |
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| 20:59.09 | greycat | "service" is much older, and is a generic wrapper that's supposed to work equally well regardless of whether your service is using systemd configs or sysv-rc configs |
| 20:59.27 | m0rd3cai | ok that makes sense |
| 20:59.30 | greycat | I don't think it knows about mask and unmask, because those are unique to systemd. |
| 20:59.33 | jhutchins_wk | m0rd3cai: That message from apparmor is suspicious. I'm not familiar with it, but it _could_ be disabling cups. |
| 21:00.22 | jmcnaught | profile="unconfined" means apparmor is not restricting this binary |
| 21:00.37 | m0rd3cai | jhutchins_wk: thats what i was thinking because cups.browsed error just appeared |
| 21:01.10 | jmcnaught | I would be very surprised if apparmor was masking systemd units |
| 21:01.13 | jhutchins_wk | "service" was originally provided so you didn't have to type out the whole path of the init script, but it's very handy now if you're in a mixed environment and want to have a command that will work on any server. |
| 21:01.29 | greycat | most servers, anyway |
| 21:02.22 | jmcnaught | the service command argument order is "service <service> <command>" while systemctl's argument order is "systemctl <command> <units>" allowing you to use a single command on multiple units |
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| 21:03.39 | jhutchins_wk | jmcnaught: Interesting. So you can enable several things at once. |
| 21:03.54 | m0rd3cai | thats cool |
| 21:03.56 | jhutchins_wk | ... or turn off all of the mail services for instance. |
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| 22:22.14 | magic_ninja | What does everyone here use for a google drive client. |
| 22:22.23 | magic_ninja | I'm okay with buying one. I paid for overgrive it it keeps missing files. |
| 22:22.39 | magic_ninja | Twice I've driven all the way into town, gotten to the office, and it didn't back up my stuff. |
| 22:22.47 | magic_ninja | Only synced part of it. |
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| 22:27.13 | somiaj | magic_ninja: any reason you have to use google-drive? I personally just have rsync between my computers and my servers keeping all my files synced. |
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| 22:28.53 | magic_ninja | I have to have a cloud service, yes. |
| 22:29.03 | magic_ninja | I would prefer to not switch platforms. |
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| 22:30.33 | somiaj | https://itsfoss.com/use-google-drive-linux/ is what I get from google, have you tried things in that list? |
| 22:30.58 | somiaj | Wonder if your overgrive is just not configured correctly, or is using cron to sync, and it just isn't syncing as often as you like (might be a configuration issue with overgrive) |
| 22:31.36 | somiaj | but you might have to send support for that to the developers, you are paying for it, they should hopefully support you. |
| 22:32.35 | magic_ninja | It is skipping files, pretty much. |
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| 22:33.51 | somiaj | I have no experience with such thing, as I just don't use google-drive. That page seems to be decent, but I dont' think any of that is in debian. If you are having trouble with stuff, you should seek support from the support network of the software you choose. |
| 22:33.59 | somiaj | (though others might be able to give better advise than I) |
| 22:36.27 | magic_ninja | I'm about to email the person. I mean, it was only 5 bucks for overgrive. I can't complain too much. |
| 22:36.42 | magic_ninja | I'm pretty sure Insync is better. I'll see if I can justify putting it on the company card. |
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| 23:00.43 | victorqueiroz | Is it possible to install Deepin DE on Debian? |
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| 23:03.02 | somiaj | victorqueiroz: Probably not in a supported why, why not just run deepin. Someone could probably get it to work via a source install. Have you aksed the makers of deepin if they make packages for debian stable that can be installed without the rest of deepin? |
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| 23:22.44 | EdePopede | just had a strange encounter with midnight commander's filetype handling stuff. pressing Enter on a file usually executes it (aka "Run File withâ¦"), there are handler scripts like /usr/local/lib/mc/ext.d/video.sh which are called from a temporary shell script in /tmp/mc-$USER/ with the filename(s) predefined. that script is immediately deleted after execution. |
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| 23:24.01 | EdePopede | now i didn't notice that i had all the files tagged, pressed enter on a file and got "/usr/local/lib/mc/ext.d/video.sh: Argument list too long". ok. but then also "/bin/rm: Argument list too long". both out of the temporary script. |
| 23:25.01 | EdePopede | the only thing that would have to be removed is that script, how do the filenames come in here? and why does it look as if rm would want to remove them? |
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