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| 00:01.14 | magic_ninja | ihateAdmins, did you get it figured out? |
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| 00:02.03 | ihateAdmins | no.. i did boot up kali from livecd but i can't install nvida, because i don't have enough ram therefore i can't install the nvidia driver. I will switch back to my broken debian and try to reinstall nvidia-driver |
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| 00:05.16 | ihateAdmins | suprisingly using nvidia-xconfig a second time and reboot did bring back the 1360x768 setting... at least the 640x480 problem is gone |
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| 00:07.06 | ihateAdmins | back to the original problem to get 1920x1080... |
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| 00:08.36 | magic_ninja | so |
| 00:08.55 | magic_ninja | perhaps you better figure out how to fix debian? |
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| 00:09.24 | ihateAdmins | what do you mean? |
| 00:09.24 | LtL | ihateAdmins: what does xrandr tell you? |
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| 00:10.40 | magic_ninja | Speaking of broke systems, I think the next thing on my list is to get some kind of backup utility |
| 00:10.48 | ihateAdmins | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/0f821cfada9c8cd7b0910547af9547d4/pasted.txt |
| 00:10.51 | ihateAdmins | well in putty nothing, but in local machine: |
| 00:10.53 | magic_ninja | not backup, but something more like system restore. |
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| 00:11.51 | ihateAdmins | livecd and chroot? |
| 00:12.07 | LtL | ihateAdmins: xrandr -s 1360x760 IF xrandr says it's doable. |
| 00:12.51 | ihateAdmins | Size 1360x760 not found in available modes. Well right now i am on 1360x768 |
| 00:13.39 | LtL | ihateAdmins: so choose one that is closest? will that do? |
| 00:14.09 | ihateAdmins | no^^ i need/want 1920x1080 or at least 1600x900 |
| 00:14.44 | ihateAdmins | i really don't get why that is a issue on debian(Windows can do it) |
| 00:14.48 | LtL | ihateAdmins: but xrandr doesn't list it? |
| 00:16.29 | ihateAdmins | well that's the problem, either a bug or missing/incomplete driver? |
| 00:16.32 | LtL | ihateAdmins: you should easily get 1920x1080 60.00*+ |
| 00:16.50 | LtL | driver/mis-config.. |
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| 00:18.50 | ihateAdmins | there was no greater option than 1360x768 in first place when i finished the debian wiki guide. So there isn't any config at all right now and trying the modeline xrandr newmode didn't work |
| 00:18.51 | LtL | ihateAdmins: yeah, saw your paste, very odd. max res looks kinda crazy too. |
| 00:19.31 | ihateAdmins | strangely debian tried/tries to set my display to 120hz which my monitor doesn't even support and makes the screen badly positioned/resolution |
| 00:20.08 | ihateAdmins | and by default i was getting xrandr 1024x768 |
| 00:20.08 | LtL | i'm sure |
| 00:20.47 | LtL | nvidia i suspect is doing that not debian. |
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| 00:21.39 | ihateAdmins | no. That was way before installing nvidia-driver |
| 00:21.53 | ihateAdmins | i do get that each time i install debian on that pc |
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| 00:23.01 | LtL | ihateAdmins: have you looked at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? |
| 00:23.14 | ihateAdmins | of course im talking about that wiki guide |
| 00:23.21 | LtL | ok sorry |
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| 00:23.26 | ihateAdmins | Installation |
| 00:23.34 | ihateAdmins | Version 390.48 |
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| 00:35.47 | otyugh | is it possible to open a stunnel without root privileges ? |
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| 00:54.12 | magic_ninja | who maintains usb device files and how do I contribute |
| 00:54.18 | magic_ninja | Like, the device ID list |
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| 01:02.45 | LtL | magic_ninja: judd is the bot that carries the device id's, not sure how it's edited though. |
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| 01:04.52 | LtL | magic_ninja: https://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a |
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| 01:05.47 | LtL | magic_ninja: root doc, https://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtml |
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| 01:13.45 | magic_ninja | LtL, bookmarked it. Thanks. My google-fu failed me. |
| 01:14.31 | LtL | magic_ninja: de nada |
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| 01:30.39 | ageis | is there an estimated release date for buster? |
| 01:30.57 | somiaj | !wir |
| 01:30.57 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 01:31.22 | somiaj | ageis: at this time it is anyones best guess. Most assume the next few months (during the summer). Keep an eye on the rc bugs. |
| 01:31.36 | ageis | k coo |
| 01:31.46 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html -- there are 107 left, when that hits 0 basically |
| 01:32.03 | somiaj | though that number has been fluxuating and has been around 100-120 for the last month (these are not easy bugs to fix) |
| 01:32.52 | ageis | I asked another question last night but I dont think anyone got to it -- isn't there a way that i can (without an existing source package) obtain the latest packaging template hooks/files for dpkg? |
| 01:33.00 | themill | I'm trying not to fix bugs right now, because when I try to fix bugs, I normally file more new ones than I fix... |
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| 01:33.31 | themill | ageis: can you be more precise about what you are looking for? |
| 01:33.50 | ageis | just rules, prerm, postinst, preinst, postrm, all that kidn of thing |
| 01:34.10 | ageis | i'm presuming there's a bare template for those which is somewhere and is updated very infrequently |
| 01:34.10 | themill | there are no default maintainer script at all; the default is to have none |
| 01:34.16 | ageis | ah. |
| 01:34.39 | themill | dh-make can help; I personally dislike what it does |
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| 01:35.43 | somiaj | yea, with modern debianhelper you can have a very small rules file, but this is often never appropraite for an actual package and needs to be edited to suite the package to integrate it into the debian ecosystem properly. |
| 01:36.11 | somiaj | though it can do the trick in terms of a quick hack if you just want to build a single package for personal use. |
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| 01:57.04 | alyssa | Progress, my dummy initramfs (statically linked hello world) works. But the one from mkinitramfs, no. |
| 01:57.30 | alyssa | Run /usr/bin/sh as init process; failed to execute /usrbin/sh (error -2) |
| 01:57.54 | somiaj | was the missing slash a copy/paste error? |
| 01:58.47 | alyssa | Yes, I'm just typing off visually from the term |
| 01:59.06 | somiaj | just double checking. Unsure what your issue could be. |
| 01:59.09 | alyssa | I'm wondering if I'm missing some kernel something |
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| 02:00.08 | alyssa | https://rosenzweig.io/file-ls.txt |
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| 02:00.50 | alyssa | From a chroot into the unpacked initramfs (from a healthy Debian system of identical hw), both binaries work fine |
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| 02:02.49 | themill | what does "ldd" say about your sh? |
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| 02:05.10 | alyssa | https://rosenzweig.io/ldd.txt |
| 02:05.21 | alyssa | The latter 3 are where they claim to be. Not sure what linux-vdso.so.1 is |
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| 02:05.54 | alyssa | Presumably that's the culprit then |
| 02:06.14 | themill | linux-vdso.so.1 is internal to the kernel |
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| 02:06.43 | alyssa | So that's probably what I messed up |
| 02:07.35 | alyssa | Unless it's really mandatory in which case I guess I couldn't've "forgotten" it |
| 02:08.07 | themill | There should be nothing for you to do with that one |
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| 02:09.16 | themill | Your error code (ENOENT 2 No such file or directory) could be the init itself or one of its libraries. Does /usr exist at the stage you're trying to run this? |
| 02:09.42 | alyssa | I see it in the initramfs |
| 02:10.12 | alyssa | misses graphics |
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| 02:25.41 | zumba_addict | Hi all. I got this when I was installing kernel source - `W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'linux_4.9.168-1+deb9u2.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)` |
| 02:25.53 | zumba_addict | The command I ran was `apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)` |
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| 02:26.54 | alyssa | themill: Lesson learned -- sometimes debugging can create new bugs. Generated a fresh initramfs and I've got a shell. Thank you for the support! |
| 02:29.10 | mason | alyssa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug |
| 02:29.22 | alyssa | That too |
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| 02:30.03 | alyssa | mason: Anyways, not sure if you read the scrollback, but I took your advice and now have LUKS setup on my Chromebook. |
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| 02:30.32 | mason | alyssa: Ah, no, but good. I think it'll work out. Did you encrypt root, or just /home or somesuch? |
| 02:30.34 | alyssa | Thank you to everyone here who's helped with this journey the past... sheesh, have I been at this all day... *whistles* |
| 02:30.37 | jcb2016 | debian on a chromebook? hows that working out for you? |
| 02:30.46 | alyssa | The whole / |
| 02:31.03 | mason | Ah, good good. |
| 02:31.07 | alyssa | Debian on a Chromebook is... Hm. Installation is a royal, royal, royal pain in the tuchas. |
| 02:31.15 | alyssa | Once it's installed, it's just like any other machine I've used |
| 02:31.28 | mason | I'd love to learn if I'm confused, but I suspect the math for the encryption will be just as heavy regardless of whether it's LUKS or ecryptfs or whatever. |
| 02:31.33 | jcb2016 | alyssa, why is it so hard? |
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| 02:32.27 | alyssa | Well, even if math is the same,with full disk encryption you're doing a lot more of it, full stop. Shrug. |
| 02:32.36 | zumba_addict | i decided to download the source from https://www.kernel.org/ rather than using apt-get |
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| 02:33.12 | alyssa | jcb: The bootloader is custom written for ChromeOS. Which is good, because ChromeOS is a Linux distro... except now we have to pretend to be ChromeOS |
| 02:33.31 | jcb2016 | yea sounds complicated |
| 02:33.49 | mason | I tend to use a lot of ZFS here, so the compression will tend to offset the encryption. But yeah. |
| 02:33.51 | jcb2016 | bootloader is this android? |
| 02:33.58 | jcb2016 | lol must be android/google etc. |
| 02:36.18 | jcb2016 | i heard buster is gonna be updated/upgraded/out in weeks or days? |
| 02:37.11 | alyssa | (FWIW, ChromeOS uses ecryptfs for /home and unencrypted-but-signature-checked root) |
| 02:37.29 | alyssa | But that wouldn't work out so well for a custom Debian install, haha |
| 02:38.42 | alyssa | Anyway, next step is to fix up the kernel args and flash the kernel internally, then I should be solid. (I'm on a hyrbid setup right now with / on internal storage but the /boot/-equivalent on a USB drive for easy kernel installs) |
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| 02:54.57 | somiaj | zumba_addict: what directory did you run apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) ? |
| 02:55.15 | somiaj | zumba_addict: note, debian packages the source in a binary package (the debian source package might not be what you are intersted in) |
| 02:55.21 | zumba_addict | outside /usr/src/linux |
| 02:55.35 | zumba_addict | i'm good now. I downloaded the tar.xz file |
| 02:55.47 | somiaj | zumba_addict: did your user have write permisions to /usr/src/linux? |
| 02:55.49 | zumba_addict | I just wanted to read the c files |
| 02:55.56 | zumba_addict | yes, I was root |
| 02:56.00 | somiaj | zumba_addict: also check out the source package (with debian patches) |
| 02:56.04 | somiaj | ,v linux-source |
| 02:56.05 | judd | Package: linux-source on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u5; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105 |
| 02:56.15 | zumba_addict | k |
| 02:56.28 | somiaj | or linux-source-4.9 for the stretch kernel (this is a binary package that puts the source in /usr/src |
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| 02:59.35 | magic_ninja | Almost done. First controls project on debian. |
| 03:00.00 | magic_ninja | I wish there was some better schematics software out there than what is currently in the open source world. I get it though, schematics is hard to do. |
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| 03:03.25 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 03:03.42 | zumba_addict | so my command was wrong somiaj? |
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| 03:04.33 | zumba_addict | output was blank so it's not installed - dpkg -l |grep linux-source |
| 03:04.58 | zumba_addict | i did downloaded the latest kernel because I was curious with 5.1.6 |
| 03:05.02 | somiaj | zumba_addict: I don't know what the error was with your command. I never run apt-get source as root |
| 03:05.10 | zumba_addict | k |
| 03:05.23 | zumba_addict | maybe if switch as regular user then sudo it |
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| 03:05.51 | somiaj | sudo won't change it. I just run apt source in my home directory in which the user has write permissions |
| 03:06.00 | zumba_addict | I've tasked myself to study syscall and assembly this year :) |
| 03:06.05 | somiaj | I don't know if there is some protection to not do that as root or not. |
| 03:06.16 | zumba_addict | yup, I was thinking that too |
| 03:06.30 | somiaj | so I don't really understand the error you are getting. But it seems you want the linux-source package and not the debian source package |
| 03:06.54 | somiaj | debian source package is also going to contain a lot of scripts fo creating the kernel packages (over all arches) so it is gonna be more complicated |
| 03:07.58 | somiaj | scripts is probably a bad way to put it. It contains all the info to build debian packages, as well as the kernel source |
| 03:08.37 | zumba_addict | k |
| 03:09.46 | somiaj | hmm, the wiki just says you don't have to be root for apt-get source, but doens't say you can't be root. |
| 03:11.03 | somiaj | okay I see what is going on, and it is only a warning, not error. |
| 03:12.13 | somiaj | when running apt, it runs some commands as sandboxed user _apt, and it is that user that didn't have write perimissions causing the warning. |
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| 03:12.27 | somiaj | it just must only use the sandbox user when running as root, and not a normal user. |
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| 03:13.36 | somiaj | though in general I don't think apt-get source should be run as root. |
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| 03:37.31 | Kurogane | Hello, anyone can tell why this error? https://bpaste.net/show/f676e5ebfd66 |
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| 03:41.37 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: what versions of openssh are at each end? Sounds like http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html |
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| 03:46.56 | Kurogane | jmcnaught, both server have 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u5 |
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| 03:55.01 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: I cannot "ssh -c arcfour â¦" either. sshd must have a more restricted list of ciphers than the client. Can you use something other than arcfour, one that the server offers? |
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| 03:56.05 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: yeah take a look at "Ciphers" in sshd_config(5) |
| 03:56.33 | Kurogane | jmcnaught, i can use whatever, i only want faster speed, i can't push more than 30MB/s |
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| 03:58.10 | jmcnaught | Kurogane: well you can edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to have Ciphers include arcfour if you want to use it, is it supposed to be faster? |
| 03:58.35 | jmcnaught | oh it's RC4 |
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| 03:59.17 | Kurogane | jmcnaught, i don't know if arcfour will fix the issue. |
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| 04:04.19 | Kurogane | jmcnaught, finally fixed, i drop off "z" now i can push 2gbit easy... |
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| 04:29.43 | tw | rc4 is generally not a benefit on modern cpus with aesni or other hardware crypto support. |
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| 04:50.03 | ssa | Hi |
| 04:50.37 | ssa | I've setup a program (Hashicorp's nomad) that executes programs within chroot. |
| 04:50.51 | ssa | This is my first serious encounter with chroot. |
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| 04:52.19 | ssa | From what I've noticed, it requires that my binary executables and any files these binaries may read (.env, db.yml, etc) be in "chroot environment" |
| 04:52.58 | ssa | If I put anything in, say, /apps/myapp/ , it refuses to run. However, if I put stuff under /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/etc , it works well |
| 04:53.19 | ssa | What is this "chroot environment" and where can I add a directory of choice to it? |
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| 04:56.15 | jmcnaught | Are you asking what is a chroot in general, or about a specific chroot that nomad uses? |
| 04:58.30 | ssa | What I might want to know... might be hidden somewhere in nomad, rather than chroot. |
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| 04:59.04 | jmcnaught | apparently nomad's in buster |
| 04:59.22 | ssa | It's one of those situations where you feel like the moment you understand what you want to ask, you wouldn't need to. |
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| 05:04.04 | ssa | This is probably about how nomad works, but it refuses to run any binary that isn't in $PATH of the user running nomad process. |
| 05:04.38 | ssa | Even with an absolute path. |
| 05:05.18 | ssa | I suppose that this doesn't have anything to do with chroot. |
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| 06:44.02 | Logg | what file managers do you all use? I've been using nemo from cinnamon, but it's really buggy & crashes sometimes requiring reboot to kill "uninterruptable" task. I've also tried Thunar but I think it's just based on the same thing nemo is & they're similarly buggy |
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| 06:45.39 | pingfloyd | a file manager shouldn't normally bring down the system |
| 06:46.01 | Logg | yeah I know right |
| 06:46.04 | pingfloyd | the program itself might crash, but it shouldn't take the system down |
| 06:46.17 | pingfloyd | this makes me wonder if there may be some hardware issue |
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| 06:47.34 | Logg | Eh, no, I don't really think so. I do have an annoying message dmesg that keeps getting spammed "No irq handler for vector", but every other program on the system runs correctly |
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| 06:48.56 | Logg | what nemo did was get stuck on some system call and so it wouldn't close with a state of "uninterruptable". couldn't `kill` it. |
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| 06:49.04 | Logg | & it's just generally buggy |
| 06:49.40 | Logg | Makes me want to make my own file manager b/c it seems like a really simple program to make, not that many features. idk how you mess it up that bad |
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| 06:50.10 | pingfloyd | I supposed you could strace it for some more insight |
| 06:50.28 | pingfloyd | may at least reveal some helpful leads toward the issue |
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| 06:57.00 | Logg | okay, well, I've got strace running on nemo now. Thanks for the suggestion pingfloyd |
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| 07:04.38 | leorat | i had same prob with cinnamon, installed kde (uses nemo too) prob solved, i had prob with menus not displaying properly too in cinnamon |
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| 07:07.03 | Logg | well, I don't have that problem, usually for me nemo just hangs for a couple minutes then is okay, or randomly crashes after attempting to copy a file, or in the middle of a file transfer... I'm not using the entire cinnamon desktop environment, just nemo & its dependencies |
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| 07:07.48 | Logg | but today it crashed in a spectacular way in which it could not be killed or restarted b/c it was "uninterruptable" which google says means it was in the middle of an uninterruptable system call & you may as well just reboot |
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| 07:21.27 | zothix | sorry wrong chat |
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| 07:37.18 | melpy | TwT |
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| 08:30.19 | activist | Hi all. I want to install Debian-pm but i couldn't find supported devices page. https://jbbgameich.github.io/debian-pm/ Can someone help me? |
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| 08:47.51 | reith | hi, can anyone help me know which package provides sshd-keygen service? |
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| 08:49.20 | melpy | ssh-keygen or sshd-keygen? |
| 08:50.18 | Logg | openssh-client provides ssh-keygen |
| 08:50.51 | reith | sshd-keygen systemd service |
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| 08:51.17 | reith | if you have it I think `apt file` would help to understand which package installed it |
| 08:51.51 | reith | actually I stuck in cloud-init setup because it needs that service |
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| 08:59.29 | activist | melpy are you there? |
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| 09:00.35 | Mystified1234 | hey guys how do I fix these |
| 09:00.36 | Mystified1234 | http://dpaste.com/2EBVA8V |
| 09:01.15 | activist | mystified1234 can you paste that on paste.ubuntu? |
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| 09:03.43 | Mystified1234 | not ubuntu |
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| 09:03.51 | Mystified1234 | based on debian |
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| 09:04.22 | melpy | ah yeah, sorry, I'm not sure, might take some work, only Redmi Note 4 is listed here https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q= |
| 09:04.26 | Mystified1234 | no ubuntu at all |
| 09:05.07 | activist | thank you melpy. i bit excited but now i disappointed :| |
| 09:05.55 | Soo_Slow | hello. Noob question - is there any subdirectory in $HOME for binaries, according to specifications? (similar to /usr/bin) Trying to sort my self-written shell scripts a bit |
| 09:06.30 | activist | maybe /usr/share/applications |
| 09:08.01 | Soo_Slow | activist, 100% not what Im searching for, sadly |
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| 09:09.56 | Logg | you can also use /opt as a traditional location. I put my shell scripts in ~/.scripts |
| 09:10.29 | Logg | that's not a specification, it's just where I put them |
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| 09:12.33 | Logg | you can try asking #bash but as far as I know, there's no official place to put shell scripts you write yourself |
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| 09:17.39 | DustyDingo | Soo_Slow: ~/.bin or ~/bin can be seen quite often, but there is no official way to do it |
| 09:18.42 | Soo_Slow | DustyDingo, I see, thanks |
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| 09:28.19 | Haxxa | My USB Webcam keeps causing my Guest VM to Kernel Panic: (Debian 9): https://imgur.com/a/qXeRldi (happens once a week) |
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| 09:28.59 | Logg | nice |
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| 10:18.46 | rant | Haxxa: lots of guests panic when hosts wont put their damn cameras away.. :P |
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| 10:26.24 | oiaohm | rant: if guests can see the cameras the host is not sneaky enough. |
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| 10:29.21 | oiaohm | Haxxa: there are reason to use usb/ip https://developer.ridgerun.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_setup_and_use_USB/IP |
| 10:29.45 | oiaohm | Haxxa: straight pass though of devices sometimes runs into timing hell. |
| 10:30.54 | Haxxa | oiaohm That means I need another server, the host runs many VMs and should not have excess software on it, I would need a Raspberry Pi or something in that case. |
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| 10:35.40 | Haxxa | oiaohm I might as well just stream the output over the network and use an embedded computer instead |
| 10:36.05 | Haxxa | some basic SBC like the Orange Pi Zero |
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| 10:36.36 | oiaohm | Haxxa: you have some issues with USB when you are not the host. Due to timing distruption. |
| 10:37.34 | oiaohm | Haxxa: so streaming over network idea may be the solution. |
| 10:37.36 | Haxxa | I will try with a different camera, if problems persist I will use a separate SBC to stream over the network |
| 10:37.56 | Haxxa | thanks for your advice |
| 10:38.28 | Haxxa | still weird the kernel panics and can't handle timing issues without fully giving up on lifee |
| 10:38.33 | oiaohm | Haxxa: please note what I suggested is a work around. What you are hitting is still a reportable bug. |
| 10:39.20 | Haxxa | oiaohm the camera has dead pixels not going to rule out hardware as the cause yet |
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| 10:40.20 | oiaohm | Haxxa: there was one of timing bugs at one point effecting RCU in guests in time that got fixed. So this could be another driver with a timing bug or device with very tight timing requirements for USB answers. |
| 10:40.54 | oiaohm | So changing device may fix it. |
| 10:41.17 | Haxxa | yeah, just bought a Logitech C920 for $20 so giving that a go. |
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| 10:41.42 | oiaohm | passing hardware devices to a guest is not without it crash risks. |
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| 10:42.04 | oiaohm | Not all device can be passed through due to drivers and other issues. |
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| 10:42.10 | Haxxa | yeah, thankfully it only happens in the guest the host is stable |
| 10:42.34 | oiaohm | Remember the guest is having cpu time nicked from it by the host when the host wants todo things. |
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| 10:42.55 | oiaohm | This is why these timing bugs turn up with VM guests. |
| 10:43.28 | oiaohm | driver test for running on host maybe totally code unstafe inside a VM guest. |
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| 10:44.01 | oiaohm | We all wish passing though devices to a VM guest was not a case of roll a dice and pray you are lucky. |
| 10:44.48 | Haxxa | ok long-term I will look at a seperate SBC |
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| 10:45.24 | oiaohm | Haxxa: you will get better performace when guest pass though works. |
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| 10:45.38 | oiaohm | But its not always going to work. |
| 10:45.40 | Haxxa | yes but I would prefer its stable |
| 10:45.45 | Haxxa | and works... |
| 10:46.12 | oiaohm | That could be the case with the right hardware choice on pass though. |
| 10:46.28 | oiaohm | Basically it one of those pain in ass things. |
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| 10:46.48 | oiaohm | that you hear of some people never hitting the problem because they have the lucky good hardware. |
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| 10:54.27 | xormor | how do I install freebasic in debian buster? |
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| 11:39.09 | xormor | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 11:50.54 | EdePopede | oh, what happened yesterday? they were at 116 iirc |
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| 12:01.50 | dvs | I happened! ;-) |
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| 12:08.32 | blastwave | how does one deal with possible missing firmware? the old realtek-firmware package seems to not exist any longer at least not in sid |
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| 12:09.58 | dvs | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 12:09.59 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1 |
| 12:10.24 | blastwave | erk |
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| 12:10.37 | blastwave | okay .. not realtek-firmware but is firmware-realtek |
| 12:10.40 | blastwave | duh |
| 12:10.52 | blastwave | sorry for the dumb question |
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| 12:11.01 | dvs | !lart blastwave |
| 12:11.02 | dpkg | blasts blastwave to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 12:11.21 | blastwave | I wonder if the old RTL8110Sc chips are supported and working ... we shall see |
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| 12:20.44 | blastwave | this is weird E: Unable to locate package firmware-realtek |
| 12:21.51 | xormor | blastwave, firmware-realtek-nonfree |
| 12:21.56 | dvs | not if you don't have non-free enabled |
| 12:22.24 | blastwave | well .. hrmm .. let me check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:22.41 | blastwave | well gee deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 12:22.57 | blastwave | guess I have to add non-free and maybe contrib here also |
| 12:23.10 | dvs | you're using sid? |
| 12:23.12 | blastwave | but with sid I thought that one does not have those |
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| 12:23.15 | blastwave | yes |
| 12:23.44 | blastwave | sorry it was a Debian Buster Alpha 2 install and then I edited sources.list and did apt-get update and upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 12:24.10 | blastwave | took also two hours to do the install on this oddball hardware |
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| 13:19.06 | samba35 | if i want to create systemd-boot then do i have to reformat /recreate esp boot partion to configure/install systemd-boot ? |
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| 13:21.49 | jelly | since same esp partition can be used for all the boot loaders of all the OSes, you probably don't need to wipe it just to switch the boot loader for one OS |
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| 13:22.38 | samba35 | ok |
| 13:23.13 | samba35 | how to install systemd-boot on debian based system ? |
| 13:23.49 | samba35 | bootct install and bootctl upgrade does the job or do i have to do more ? |
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| 13:24.26 | jelly | don't know anything about that particular boot loader, sorry |
| 13:24.38 | samba35 | ok |
| 13:25.00 | pikachu__ | I do not have backintime-qt4-root avaible on debian. how can I save my vms from kvm? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1379899 |
| 13:25.08 | GNU\colossus | samba35, I'm not using systemd-boot on Debian, but afaiui, that should be enough on an EFI system |
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| 13:27.02 | samba35 | ok |
| 13:28.33 | samba35 | but when i run bootctl list it does not show any entry and after reboot system reamain on efi boot loader tab and its painfull to come out of tab |
| 13:29.06 | jelly | pikachu__: which debian release is this? |
| 13:29.35 | jelly | pikachu__: in stretch, backintime-qt4 package provides a backintime-qt4-root menu entry |
| 13:29.42 | pikachu__ | strecthstrecth |
| 13:29.59 | jelly | pikachu__: which just calls "pkexec backintime-qt4" |
| 13:31.24 | jelly | pikachu__: which is what comment 4 in that bug reports suggests as well. |
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| 13:31.29 | pikachu__ | ok cool but it will not alter the way backintime works if we do not use exactly the nice package (backintime-qt4-root)? |
| 13:31.35 | pikachu__ | jelly thank you |
| 13:32.16 | pikachu__ | pkexec backintime-qt4 or su; pkexec backintime-qt4 |
| 13:32.18 | pikachu__ | ? |
| 13:32.19 | pikachu__ | jelly |
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| 13:32.44 | jelly | "pkexec backintime-qt4" |
| 13:32.50 | jelly | nothing more, nothing less |
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| 13:33.08 | pikachu__ | let me cjeck that |
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| 13:33.35 | jelly | pkexec is what asks for root password and runs the tool with root privs. |
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| 13:35.50 | pikachu__ | EError: Failed to get cron tab line 1 not crontab found |
| 13:35.53 | pikachu__ | jelly sorry :/ |
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| 13:38.40 | jelly | not sure what you're sorry about, do you have a question? |
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| 13:38.57 | pikachu__ | I am restarting I wills ee |
| 13:39.00 | pikachu__ | see |
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| 13:44.33 | GNU\colossus | saw this during upgrading from stretch to buster: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1085455 - do you think it warrants a bug-report against systemd? (I'm not sure what's going on here, and I don't observe any adverse effects) |
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| 13:47.30 | pikachu__ | jelly it seems it will work :) another question: wich folders do I have to save in case I loose my computer? only the folders /var/lib/libvirt and /etc/libvirt? |
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| 13:58.38 | jelly | no idea honestly, I don't kvm or libvirt |
| 13:59.34 | pikachu__ | ok |
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| 14:20.52 | psicobra | hi all i'm trying to setup minidlna on Debian arm |
| 14:21.15 | psicobra | it's all running and my devices can see the media server but minidlna will not see my movie files |
| 14:21.22 | psicobra | any help would be appreciated |
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| 14:25.59 | samba35 | psicobra, which arm cpu it is ? how much it cost ? |
| 14:26.25 | psicobra | it's a raspberry pi |
| 14:26.27 | psicobra | arm v6 |
| 14:26.30 | jelly | psicobra: what does your minidlna.conf look like, esp. media_dir lines? |
| 14:26.38 | samba35 | ok |
| 14:26.47 | jelly | if you're running raspbian and not actual Debian, ask in |
| 14:26.50 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 14:26.50 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:27.01 | psicobra | ok thanks |
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| 14:44.11 | cro | test |
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| 14:45.04 | dvs | !test |
| 14:45.05 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 14:48.57 | magic_ninja | how can I configure power management? What is the accepted way. |
| 14:49.05 | magic_ninja | I want to make sure that my machine isn't trying to disable USB |
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| 14:51.13 | magic_ninja | It is actually better use of my time to just get a wireless AC card with better drives |
| 14:51.16 | magic_ninja | *drivers |
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| 15:05.06 | Soo_Slow | does anybody there use bubblewrap as a sandboxing tool? If yes - do you know any good place to find various working rules to use as examples (since I cant understand it other way)? |
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| 15:13.31 | annadane | Soo_Slow, have you checked /usr/share/doc/bubblewrap/examples? |
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| 15:17.38 | Soo_Slow | annadane, I didnt even know about this, to begin with :D Thanks |
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| 15:35.06 | melpy | TwT |
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| 15:50.02 | BlackBishop | don't shoot... but did anybody recently install debian 9 on a sheevaplug ? :) |
| 15:50.25 | BlackBishop | dusted it off, booted the installer off tftp but it doesn't seem to show up the nand |
| 15:50.40 | dvs | !lart BlackBishop |
| 15:50.40 | dpkg | --purges BlackBishop |
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| 15:51.43 | BlackBishop | dpkg: >:P |
| 15:51.44 | dpkg | from memory, p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
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| 15:51.52 | BlackBishop | lol |
| 15:51.57 | BlackBishop | s/dpkg/dvs/ |
| 15:52.14 | dvs | from memory, I am a bot! ;-P |
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| 15:52.30 | BlackBishop | hahaha |
| 15:52.38 | BlackBishop | this channel is always funny |
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| 15:57.55 | annadane | the nand? |
| 15:58.55 | BlackBishop | internal flash |
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| 15:59.31 | BlackBishop | I know it's small ( just 512M ) if I remember right but I'd like to at least boot of it and put other partitions on usb/sdcard |
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| 16:02.35 | dvs | BlackBishop, according to https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en, you need a minimum of 780MB of disk space. |
| 16:02.51 | dvs | for the 32-bit version anyways. |
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| 16:37.01 | Greyztar | when i ssh how can i run a program which is on the remote computer like so ssh user@ip program ? |
| 16:39.13 | nifker | how does one install netsurf on debian if libcurl3 and libcurl4 conflict? |
| 16:40.43 | han-solo | Greyztar: yes |
| 16:41.35 | Greyztar | han-solo: though i get "program doesnt exist" ? |
| 16:41.51 | matt7676 | Any ideas, why apt-listchanges does not show the changes when the changelog.Debian.gz file is present: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1085466 ? |
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| 16:42.20 | Greyztar | han-solo: had an error in my line thanks for help |
| 16:42.38 | brokencycle | Hi! If I close the laptop lid, are there any functions still allowed to run? |
| 16:45.13 | brokencycle | the problem: sometimes, after closing the lid, the computer somehow seems to spring into action and gets very very hot |
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| 16:50.10 | brokencycle | I don't really know how to debug this. Any tips are very welcome! |
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| 16:53.20 | humpled | what is it supposed to do when the lid closes? |
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| 16:55.28 | brokencycle | It should just "suspend to ram" - I did not configure anything special. |
| 16:55.49 | brokencycle | but I don't know what "suspend to ram" means. |
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| 16:56.19 | brokencycle | I thought it would mean that every process stops, until I open the lid again. |
| 16:57.40 | magic_ninja | Greyztar, just run it. Either type the command or do a ./ to execute the script. |
| 16:57.52 | magic_ninja | Greyztar, what program? |
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| 17:01.28 | jmcnaught | brokencycle: you could close the lid, wait a moment, open it, then look at the journal to see what messages are there: 'journalctl --since="2 min ago' |
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| 17:03.35 | brokencycle | @jmcnaught: Is there a way to persist the journal across crashes and reboots? |
| 17:04.27 | jmcnaught | brokencycle: yes, you just need to make the directory for it: 'mkdir -p /var/log/journal ; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal' |
| 17:05.02 | jelly | what does that systemd-tmpfiles do? |
| 17:05.02 | jmcnaught | brokencycle: and then you can look at the journal from a previous boot with "journalctl --boot=-1" but also you can just look in /var/log/syslog which persists by default |
| 17:05.03 | apollo13 | jmcnaught: what does the latter do and why is it needed? |
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| 17:05.30 | jelly | a mere "mkdir /var/log/journal" made persistent journald here |
| 17:05.44 | apollo13 | yeah, I don't think tmpfiles should have anything to do with it |
| 17:06.01 | jelly | (okay, and a reboot) |
| 17:06.02 | BlackBishop | dvs: true, but the armel might have a different restriction. even so, I do have enough if I partition it right. |
| 17:06.06 | jmcnaught | jelly: that's what it says to do in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:07.08 | jelly | ah |
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| 17:08.14 | apollo13 | mhm, is that done to fix permissions maybe? |
| 17:08.58 | Greyztar | magic_ninja: thanks for help,i just wondered if i did it the wrong way cause it didnt work properly,had a longer line which had errors in it,after corrected it works thanks for helping |
| 17:09.24 | jmcnaught | I think it applies /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/journal-nocow.conf |
| 17:09.56 | apollo13 | "matters only for btrfs" :D |
| 17:09.58 | jelly | no cow? How dare they |
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| 17:10.55 | magic_ninja | Greyztar, usually, it is user error :) |
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| 17:11.58 | brokencycle | @jmcnaught: Thanks, but the syslog does not have any information. |
| 17:12.05 | Greyztar | magic_ninja: haha yes |
| 17:12.08 | brokencycle | any relevant information. |
| 17:12.15 | jelly | (but /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf seems more relevant) |
| 17:12.52 | apollo13 | it's great how they abuse tmpfiles.d for that |
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| 17:13.17 | jmcnaught | jelly: right |
| 17:13.34 | brokencycle | The problem started when the lid was closed, and there's nothing in the log during the time when it was closed, until the point, where I crashed and rebooted the machine. |
| 17:14.42 | jelly | I remember when tmpfiles was "do not ask about this file, and especially do not use it" |
| 17:15.59 | jelly | oh, no, that was /etc/udev/links.conf |
| 17:16.50 | jmcnaught | brokencycle: you can try making a copy of /etc/systemd/logind.conf in /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/suspend.conf then in that file set HandleLidSwitch to either ignore or lock, then "systemctl restart systemd-logind" (might restart login sessions, could reboot too) and see if the problem still happens |
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| 17:17.17 | GenTooMan | hmmm |
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| 17:20.32 | brokencycle | jmcnaught: I don't understand. The default seems to be "suspend". I'm fine with handling the locking myself, but I really want it to suspend and stay suspended until I say otherwise. |
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| 17:22.04 | jmcnaught | brokencycle: does the computer suspend successfully if you do it manually? |
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| 17:24.19 | brokencycle | I didn't try - most of the time, the computer seems to suspend properly, but sometimes, it doesn't seem to. |
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| 17:27.54 | brokencycle | you mean "systemd-logind[1296]: Suspending..." |
| 17:28.21 | brokencycle | and "systemd-sleep[14390]: System resumed." |
| 17:28.25 | brokencycle | I presume? |
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| 17:30.10 | jmcnaught | brokencycle: those messages are normal, are there any other clues near those messages? Maybe something that is inhibiting sleep? |
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| 17:53.24 | brokencycle | jmcnaught: I can see "ACPI: button: The lid device is not compliant to SW_LID.". |
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| 17:55.05 | brokencycle | kernel: PM: suspend entry (s2idle) |
| 17:55.17 | ihateAdmins | tightvnc doesn't start with init.d anymore what might be the issue? I have tried several installations and guides to add it to startup bot none of them works now |
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| 17:59.16 | somiaj | doens't it provide a systemd unit file in debian? |
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| 18:01.32 | melpy | Why do you hate admins though |
| 18:01.36 | RandomGuyOnIrc | How can I print information about my different tlb caches? Like the size of each each, which page sizes are supported etc |
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| 18:05.10 | somiaj | RandomGuyOnIrc: seems the tool cpuid (which has a debian package) can show this. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/113585/how-to-find-the-page-size-associativity-and-tlb-size-and-number-of-entries |
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| 18:05.27 | RandomGuyOnIrc | somiaj: thanks, I will try that |
| 18:06.08 | RandomGuyOnIrc | somiaj: thanks so much that worked! |
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| 18:48.22 | infinity_ | i'm curious. do bugs in launchpad get merged into debian? do they need to be reported in both places? |
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| 18:50.10 | infinity_ | I'm asking because I found this open in ubuntu but not debian. : https://bugs.launchpad.net/sssd/+bug/1773747 |
| 18:50.46 | pie3 | what is more penetrated? dtrace or kmdb/kdb, or any other more penetrated tool? |
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| 19:03.17 | melpy | TWT |
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| 19:06.01 | irl25519 | Hi everyone. I'm having an issue with the snapd and snaps in general. One day most of the snap commands seem to stop working. Consistently get "cannot mount squashfs image using squashfs". Is this some form of regression within the snapd package or the kernel? |
| 19:06.25 | irl25519 | I'm on latest stable |
| 19:06.40 | jelly | infinity_: they are not merged. Ubuntu maintainer may report it to debian as well, and in some cases the maintainers collaborate or are the same and they may choose to fix an issue in Debian right away. |
| 19:06.41 | irl25519 | which is a 4.16 kernel IIRC |
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| 19:07.00 | irl25519 | Ah right OK |
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| 19:07.48 | irl25519 | By not merged do you mean the package is not part of stable? Or that no fix has been merged? |
| 19:09.13 | jelly | irl25519: are you the same person as infinity_? |
| 19:09.31 | jelly | if not, that wasn't for you |
| 19:09.49 | irl25519 | missed the earlier conversation, no i'm not infinity |
| 19:11.17 | jelly | irl25519: debian stretch, current stable, uses kernel 4.9 series. Which debian release do you have installed? |
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| 19:12.06 | irl25519 | Actually I think I'm using Stretch with backports enabled |
| 19:12.09 | infinity_ | jelly: thanks. I guess I won't report it in debian. seems like an easy fix but yet super obscure |
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| 19:12.44 | infinity_ | I just updated my sources on one machine to buster. fingers crossed :) |
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| 19:13.52 | jelly | infinity_: if noone reports it, it won't get fixed. |
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| 19:27.02 | Greyztar | hello, trying to run command over ssh in screen on remote target,i do ssh user@ip screen -m command,but when i check the remote computer theres no screen session listed in ps manager,shouldnt it spawn a screen process on remote target? |
| 19:27.25 | infinity_ | quoting? |
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| 19:30.31 | jhutchins | Greyztar: -m is definitely not what you want. You need to start a detatched session. |
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| 19:31.16 | Greyztar | jhutchins, alright ill try without -m then |
| 19:32.07 | jhutchins | Greyztar: The problem is that when the ssh session ends, the screen session will also unless it's detatched. |
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| 19:33.46 | Greyztar | jhutchins, yeah i think i want it to persist, hmm omit -m gave me another error something terminal,could -t option help running it that way? |
| 19:34.23 | jhutchins | Greyztar: Im not sure what the strategy is. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 19:34.45 | somiaj | you may want to actually login with ssh (not run a command with ssh), then run screen after |
| 19:34.59 | somiaj | running a command via ssh may not give you a full shell |
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| 19:36.45 | Greyztar | jhutchins, im trying to do apt-update and upgrade over ssh thats why i want to spawn a screen session so if i get dc it would continue or so? but im running it as a cron job so want it automated aswell |
| 19:37.25 | somiaj | Greyztar: is this on stable? What is the goal here, would unatteneed-upgrades do the trick for you? |
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| 19:39.14 | Greyztar | somiaj, its stable i would be running commands from,but my server that receive update is ubuntu with lots of containers so its easier for me to run updates like this lxc exec container -- apt update and upgrade instead of installing ssh and so i think? |
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| 19:40.27 | Greyztar | though it would be nice with it being in a screen session in case i get dc and such so it wont mess it all up :) |
| 19:41.23 | Greyztar | ill look into gettin screen detached though i didnt think of it |
| 19:41.40 | somiaj | I think the problem is trying to do it in one command. You may have to ssh to the server, then run the sceen sessions |
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| 19:42.22 | somiaj | but if all you want is regular updates, unatteneded upgrades in stretch works good, because it will automatically apply security updates to your system, so you don't have to manually do this. You'll have to ask ubuntu about how it works there though. |
| 19:42.22 | Greyztar | yeah i think so too maybe ill have another go and see if may solve this otherwise |
| 19:43.23 | Greyztar | somiaj, yeah i know about that option its nice,but i want to use this ssh command for other stuff aswell so thought id research little about it maybe see if i could make a script or so |
| 19:43.57 | Greyztar | thanks for help all ill go research some more |
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| 19:44.48 | somiaj | You'll have to check the docs, but ssh user@foo command I don't think runs the command in a full shell (i.e. bash isn't run) which is what is causing you issues with screen here. |
| 19:46.14 | somiaj | as per the ssh manpage, " If command is specified, it is executed on the remote host instead of a login shell." |
| 19:46.40 | somiaj | so since a login shell isn't being run you won't always have the same affect as if you ran a command in a login shell (which I think is what you are running into with screen) |
| 19:47.22 | Greyztar | somiaj, thanks for info ill read up some more on ssh aswell for this,would be really nice to get going with this |
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| 19:48.03 | somiaj | it then further clarifies that it runs the command in a non-interactive shell. |
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| 19:52.07 | Greyztar | starting to wonder if im able to do this,im migrating my router soon and new os wont have ansible on it so i thought running updates and stuff over ssh instead but might be a challenge hehe |
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| 19:52.50 | somiaj | hmm, can't seem to find any info about screen and non-interactive shells. But the man page basically states that "Multiplex a physical terminal between several processes (typically interactive shells).", and you are trying to run it in a non-inteactive shell. Not getting any good gogole hits about running sceen in a non-interactive shell. |
| 19:53.01 | somiaj | You may want to go ask a more screen specific support channel for this. |
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| 19:53.45 | Greyztar | yeah ill search the web abit first and see what i can dig up aswell |
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| 19:54.43 | humpled | you can launch screen detached |
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| 19:57.56 | Greyztar | ill fiddle some more with it and report my findings havent read screen man yet either might do to find how i launch it detached aswell |
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| 20:27.28 | karlpinc | Greyztar: Could you use "nohup" instead of screen? |
| 20:29.05 | Greyztar | no wonder it didnt work,i checked processes on container instead of host where i was connected to its listed there of course,thanks again for help all its working as i needed now =) |
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| 20:30.10 | Greyztar | karlpinc, i thought of it also but first started testing screen i think nohup should possibly work fine aswell might test it also thanks for info |
| 20:31.33 | Greyztar | ill continue with it tomorrow i think,no use working when head isnt following though i think ill get it working properly now |
| 20:32.22 | karlpinc | Greyztar: The whole point of nohup is to continue processing when the controlling process goes away. |
| 20:33.21 | Greyztar | karlpinc, yeah i read about it also before screen its just screen ive used on some other occasions along with tmux so i thought it might be easier as i somewhat understand it though |
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| 20:34.42 | Greyztar | karlpinc, maybe its an better alternative aswell so i dont end up with many idle screen sessions if i dont find a way for them to end themselfs hehe |
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| 20:44.21 | jhutchins | Greyztar: nohup sounds like a good candidate. |
| 20:45.10 | jhutchins | Greyztar: You may also want to consider jenkins and/or ansible. |
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| 20:50.16 | Greyztar | jhutchins: yeah i agree on nohup i should just gone with it from start,im already using ansible but migrating os on my maintenance node and wont have it availible no more so have to rely on ssh,couldnt figure out how to get fq_codel effective on my router with armbian so i switch to openwrt as i think it should work there but no ansible for openwrt though |
| 20:52.00 | Greyztar | thanks for awsome help again all,i got so hung up on screen not working i didnt bother even looking at nohup good time to take a break then =) |
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| 21:11.34 | HelloShitty | Hi |
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| 21:12.02 | HelloShitty | Does anyone knows if the HDMI port laptops have can be use as input port? |
| 21:12.45 | HelloShitty | Can I try to connect a device that is usually connected to a TV to my laptop HDMI port and see what that device usually sends to a TV? |
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| 21:21.14 | BCMM | HelloShitty: nope |
| 21:21.25 | HelloShitty | ty |
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| 21:21.41 | BCMM | HelloShitty: like, they're not capable of it at an electronic level. there's not a hardware fix for it. |
| 21:22.05 | HelloShitty | sure, I understand |
| 21:22.08 | BCMM | i mean, not capable of accepting and decoding video data. it does accept *some* input, because hdmi is bidirectional |
| 21:22.15 | HelloShitty | it's an output port, period. |
| 21:22.28 | HelloShitty | ahhh ok |
| 21:22.32 | BCMM | like what the monitor supports |
| 21:22.40 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, it's pretty much output with sync. |
| 21:23.01 | HelloShitty | I see |
| 21:23.02 | BCMM | also hdmi can include ethernet support, or CEC (which is that thing where you can use your TV remote to control your DVD player or whatever) |
| 21:23.25 | Psi-Jack | If you re-wired the circuits that it goes to, aka: hardware hacking, you could make it accept input, but you'd have to modify literal hardware to do it. :) |
| 21:23.27 | BCMM | but the actual video data is one-way |
| 21:23.54 | BCMM | HelloShitty: i know this is probably obvious, but i meant to say "not a hardware fix for it" above |
| 21:23.57 | BCMM | i mean |
| 21:23.58 | Psi-Jack | BCMM: And various other names by various brands. LOL |
| 21:24.02 | BCMM | i meant to say "not a software fix" |
| 21:24.11 | HelloShitty | yeah, sure |
| 21:24.14 | HelloShitty | I got it |
| 21:24.15 | HelloShitty | :) |
| 21:24.39 | BCMM | Psi-Jack: heh, that's one of the nice things about shitty no-brand TVs |
| 21:25.17 | BCMM | you don't need a bloody lookup table of marketing names to work out if they do cec |
| 21:25.20 | Psi-Jack | You mean about the ONLY things? Excluding all the crappy parts of them like the crappy matte minimally visible screens, etc. ;) |
| 21:26.35 | Psi-Jack | BCMM: Good to see you here, BTW. :) |
| 21:26.52 | BCMM | Psi-Jack: heh, i've been here for a while |
| 21:27.16 | Psi-Jack | BCMM: Yeah. I know. I have been as well, mostly inactively. I've abandoned the /other/ channel. |
| 21:27.49 | _2E0LNX | Q: Is here right to ask for assistance on installing Debian on embedded? |
| 21:28.24 | jmcnaught | _2E0LNX: sure you can ask about anything Debian support related here |
| 21:29.54 | BCMM | jmcnaught: is that right? i thought Sid talk was discouraged, for example |
| 21:30.03 | _2E0LNX | Awesome, I am trying to install on a Cubietruck (cubieboard 3), following https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner I have used the "manual" TFTP method and managed, by altering the 'console' line to tty0, to get the debian-installer screen up (huzzah)... next "fun" how to get the keyboard working..? |
| 21:30.18 | jmcnaught | BCMM: they can ask and then we tell them where to go :) |
| 21:30.22 | Psi-Jack | hahaha |
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| 21:30.53 | BCMM | i reckon here is the right place because there's like half a dozen people in #debian-embedded |
| 21:31.23 | jmcnaught | BCMM: is that on OFTC? |
| 21:32.31 | BCMM | yeah |
| 21:33.32 | Psi-Jack | What's that about 9.9 needs dist-upgrade? |
| 21:34.04 | Psi-Jack | reads dpkg on it.. "Oh!" |
| 21:34.54 | somiaj | with apt-get, kernel abi changes will need a dist-upgrade. I don't think this is true for apt. |
| 21:35.36 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, I usually use apt, not apt-get anymore. |
| 21:36.45 | jmcnaught | 9.9 removed icedtea-8-plugin, that's why it needed dist-upgrade |
| 21:36.47 | Psi-Jack | It's monthly update time so I update all my servers around this time every month. Hehe |
| 21:36.59 | Psi-Jack | Oh.. Pfft. |
| 21:37.15 | metbsd | is there new version of debian? |
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| 21:37.35 | somiaj | metbsd: point releases aren't a new version, but just all the secuirty and grave bug fixes for stable. |
| 21:37.49 | somiaj | metbsd: the new stable version (buster or debian 10.x) will be released sometime this summer (Best guess) |
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| 21:38.41 | metbsd | im running 9 stable, how do i get those security and bug fixes? |
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| 21:39.09 | Psi-Jack | apt full-upgrade |
| 21:39.37 | metbsd | nothing to upgrade |
| 21:39.52 | Psi-Jack | Then tada. You're done! |
| 21:40.37 | somiaj | nerditup: if you have been doing dist-upgrade and have security sources, you have been getting them all along. |
| 21:40.43 | somiaj | metbsd: ^^ |
| 21:41.01 | metbsd | ok thanks |
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| 21:41.32 | somiaj | well you should only need upgrade, but dist-upgrade won't hurt. In this rare case a dist-upgrade was needed to remove an old plugin that probably had security issues |
| 21:43.30 | metbsd | i've never used dist-upgrade actually |
| 21:44.45 | somiaj | one shouldn't need to in stable. |
| 21:45.22 | jmcnaught | except sometimes, like for the 9.9 point release |
| 21:47.42 | somiaj | and only if you say had icetea-8-plugin installed |
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| 21:52.08 | Psi-Jack | I mean, I think I had to apt full-upgrade 9.9 last month in order to get all the updates proper. |
| 21:52.16 | Psi-Jack | On my servers..... |
| 21:53.04 | jmcnaught | _2E0LNX: are you using a serial console? |
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| 21:53.13 | _2E0LNX | jmcnaught: no, local |
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| 21:55.20 | _2E0LNX | as in, it has a built in HDMI port and USB sockets... |
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| 21:55.42 | Psi-Jack | uxfi: Umm.. Thanks. But please use the channel. |
| 21:56.00 | uxfi | test |
| 21:56.01 | uxfi | ah sorry |
| 21:56.03 | uxfi | was lagging |
| 21:56.11 | uxfi | wanted to be sure it is working :) |
| 21:56.48 | Psi-Jack | That... Makes no sense, to use PM, because you were lagging... |
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| 23:02.49 | laughingtiger | hello, I have a problem, when installing wine, it gives me a warning, says following packages cannot be authenticated. how to solve this? |
| 23:03.26 | laughingtiger | and when trying apt update, it says gpg error about wine, etc. |
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| 23:05.13 | laughingtiger | channel for wine is invite only so I have to come here. |
| 23:06.10 | laughingtiger | some programs won't work even I installed it by ignoring the warning, they worked fine before when there wasn't a warning. |
| 23:06.24 | OerHeks | invite only means register with #freenode |
| 23:06.30 | OerHeks | no guests |
| 23:06.46 | laughingtiger | OerHeks, oh thank you . |
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| 23:07.48 | laughingtiger | s/even/after |
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| 23:09.44 | anti | did a search for MX linux irc nothing came back anyone know where i can get some MX help?, ty... |
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| 23:13.31 | OerHeks | anti, check their website? i found none |
| 23:15.06 | laughingtiger | oh shit I fucked up again |
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| 23:18.45 | anti | OerHeks, ty i just did some more webfu and on a faq list says they host 0 irc = LAME.,share it with others if they ask and ty... |
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| 23:20.40 | OerHeks | certainly not, this is debian support, not the mx clan channel |
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| 23:27.31 | annadane | laughingtiger, how did you install wine? a gpg error is strange. perhaps post the full output to paste.debian.net and some wine expert can look at it |
| 23:28.03 | annadane | also if the package manager is trying to warn you, in future maybe don't force it |
| 23:28.43 | annadane | rushing and cheap hackery doesn't get you very far in linux, this isn't windows |
| 23:29.03 | annadane | that said i suspect things not working is unrelated to the gpg error |
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| 23:32.14 | annadane | it sounds like you added a third party repo to your sources list and i'm not sure how well supported that is in the case of wine, i haven't tried it |
| 23:32.29 | annadane | "gpg error about wine on apt update" |
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| 23:34.30 | annadane | i notice their website does say "The WineHQ repository key was changed on 2018-12-19. If you downloaded and added the key before that time, you will need to download and add the new key and run sudo apt update to accept the repository changes." |
| 23:34.52 | annadane | which is of course likely unrelated as we're now in june of 2019... |
| 23:36.01 | annadane | if all else fails you can just build it from source |
| 23:36.09 | annadane | that was too much information, but anyway |
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| 23:39.25 | laughingtiger | annadane, sorry I read your help just now, was away. |
| 23:40.12 | laughingtiger | I doubt it was the key's fault unless their website hasn't been updated since then. |
| 23:40.12 | annadane | laughingtiger, also, take note that there is a newer wine available in stretch-backports, if you need newer than is in stretch |
| 23:40.35 | annadane | i haven't installed it because i get a dependency mess but you may be better off :P |
| 23:40.51 | annadane | (nvidia, of course, because they play *so* well with everything) |
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| 23:44.41 | laughingtiger | annadane, thank you, probably I should reinstall the whole system. |
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| 23:49.33 | laughingtiger | annadane, sorry, pastebin was too heavyloaded a while ago, this is the apt-get udpate info: https://pastebin.com/zwspUjSr |
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| 23:51.47 | annadane | did you follow https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian, by the way? again i can't vouch for third party repos or that specific one, but... |
| 23:52.14 | annadane | from what i've read it *seems* to be recommended |
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| 23:52.45 | somiaj | the winehq packages are of decent quality if you don't want the one from stretch-backports |
| 23:52.49 | laughingtiger | annadane, I believe I did followed it precisely. |
| 23:53.00 | somiaj | (I think there is some overlap between the maker of those and the ones that are in debian too) |
| 23:53.17 | jmcnaught | laughingtiger: some of those warnings are because you have the repository listed in both /etc/apt/sources.list (line 18) and in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list (line 3) which is easy to fix |
| 23:53.18 | magic_ninja | man, is there a GUI for IFTOP |
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| 23:53.58 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, Ikr, but that's not the problem. |
| 23:54.43 | somiaj | magic_ninja: what are you looking for? There are some gui apps for netwrok traffic. iptraf is the only one I know, but it is a curses ui. |
| 23:55.00 | magic_ninja | I want something that puts out some more readable info |
| 23:55.23 | somiaj | https://www.tecmint.com/linux-network-bandwidth-monitoring-tools/ maybe see which of those are in debian that you like. |
| 23:55.39 | somiaj | I find iptraf useful, but I have very limited use |
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| 23:56.47 | laughingtiger | annadane, ah, I'm gonna reinstall , this is the level of my skill set so far, who can I blame but myself only? thank you for your help. than you all for your help. much appreciated. |
| 23:56.51 | magic_ninja | sudo: iptraf: command not found |
| 23:56.57 | magic_ninja | that is after installing it |
| 23:57.41 | annadane | sorry i couldn't be more helpful, i was a bit excessively wordy |
| 23:57.49 | jmcnaught | laughingtiger: if your problem is that you don't have the GPG key for the winehq repository it shows how to add it on this page: https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 23:58.48 | somiaj | magic_ninja: seems it is iptraf-ng (though surprised it didn't provide a link for iptraf via the alternative system or what not) |
| 23:58.50 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, hah, I added it already by doing whatever the page says. |
| 23:58.59 | laughingtiger | annadane, but I like wordy people. |
| 23:59.08 | laughingtiger | seriously |
| 23:59.12 | somiaj | magic_ninja: I had to look it up, seems iptraf is replaced with iptraf-ng and the iptraf package is just a transitional package. |
| 23:59.42 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, sorry i mean nah |