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00:03.55annadanei kind of suspect after buster the version numbers won't increase too much for wine, 1.6 or whatever to 4 is a big jump
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00:04.13annadane1.8
00:04.27Unit193,v wine-development
00:04.29juddPackage: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; stretch: 2.0-3; sid: 3.7-1; sid: 3.10-1; buster: 4.2-4; sid: 4.2-4
00:04.44annadanei could be totally wrong ofc
00:05.16annadanejessie 1.6, stretch 1.8, buster 4.0
00:05.27somiaj,v wine
00:05.28juddPackage: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; sid: 4.0-2
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00:06.02annadanejust depends how seriously you take your gaming :P
00:06.20somiajon stretch I'd probably suggest the package from stretch-backports if you need a newer version.
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00:12.34BazookaToothcould try lutris
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00:19.14magic_ninjasee, it just shut itself off. grr.
00:19.20magic_ninjaI'm getting really frustrated.
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00:30.44magic_ninjaokay so here is where I'm at. I need to figure out how to monitor a USB port period and log disconnects and reconnects.
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00:49.02mvaenskaewhat is the correct approach to removing old kernels?
00:49.57somiajmvaenskae: just use apt to remove them like any other package.
00:50.04mvaenskaemanually?
00:50.19somiajapt shoudl be removing all except the latest two with autoremove, so one should only have two kernels installed if you run autoremove
00:50.30somiajapt keeps one back just in case the new kernel doens't boot.
00:50.54mvaenskaemaybe apt is getting confused then because i move my kernels around for refind
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00:52.29OerHekssudo apt install byobu && sudo purge-old-kernels --keep 2
00:53.47somiajif you manually install your kernels (so they aren't autoinstalled) the autoremove won't remove them.
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00:54.27magic_ninjaLets see. So it appears that the USB port is dropping out and reconnecting
00:54.36mvaenskaei merely want to move them from /boot to /boot/efi/EFI/$distro
00:55.58mvaenskaeas /boot is on the partition as my rootfs BUT /boot/efi isn't (which to my understanding is the correct way using efi -- one ESP for the whole system)
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01:01.12somiajmvaenskae: debian has troubles with /boot being on efi (vfat) because of how dpkg does upgrades.
01:01.42somiajdebian uses hardlinks for upgrades, and vfat doens't support that. So upgrading kernel packages will error out if you put /boot on your efi partition (vfat)
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01:05.01mvaenskaei am not a technical expert but i would think at some point ESPs are expected to exist and people will not want to handle multiple bootloaders
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01:07.16somiajthere is no need to use grub anymore with efi boot, and gummiboot (which now has some replacement in systemd) can be used instead to allow your uefi firmware to function as your bootloader
01:07.33mvaenskaewhy is grub then so ingrained in debian?
01:08.26somiajI have seen people put the /boot on the esp partition which can contain all the kernels along with the efi files for boot. But they run into problems upgrading kernels due to debian packages assuming you are on a *nix file system that supports hardlinks, which causes upgrades to fail.
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01:08.47somiajso this is just an incovience you have to deal wiht if you want to but /boot on your efi partition and then encrypt the rest of your system.
01:09.03somiajmvaenskae: debian sitll supports legacy boot, which requirs a boot loader. Debian also still has lilo if you dont' like grub.
01:09.08mvaenskae/boot shouldn't be used as the ESP :)
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01:09.29somiajso it is easiest to just have grub which works for both legacy and uefi.
01:10.07magic_ninjaWell, lets try this. Perhaps there is some kind of interference around here
01:10.15magic_ninjaThe usb card doesn't seem to be dropping.
01:10.16somiajmight be personal opinion, I'm just stating what i"ve seen people try to do. I personally keep /boot on a *nix file system and just efi info on my esp partition.
01:11.06mvaenskaesomiaj: also what i do, but as i use FDE for my root-partition my kernels which reside in /boot are not really available :)
01:14.17magic_ninjaHmm, so 2.4 works way better than 5 ghz, or it seems to.
01:14.31magic_ninjaI know I had a driver working quite well on the 4.19 kernel, I just can't remember which one
01:15.33somiaj5gz is faster but you need to be closer to the ap and have a clearer signal.
01:15.41somiaj2.4 is more relialbe, but slower
01:16.01somiaj(well can't have the same data trasnfer, but often times this is not the case). The only thing I use on 5gz is my streaming device
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01:21.39magic_ninjaI'm 5 feet away
01:22.09magic_ninjait works fine in windows.
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01:22.49somiajthen might be a driver issue in linux
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03:24.52herpyis oftc down for anyone else?
03:26.13dvsnope
03:28.41herpyhuh, the  website is not loading for me
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03:32.38Lady_Aleena,v my_brain
03:32.40juddNo package named 'my_brain' was found in amd64.
03:32.46Lady_AleenaDarn it.
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03:38.00mvaenskaeeh, how can i change the cuda version of nvidia?
03:39.09mvaenskaei know this is not debian-next but buster's nvidia version seems to have been updated to one which uses cuda10.1 (but i need cuda10.0 due to tensorflow and tf is NOT compatible with cuda10.1) -- alternatively i can also reinstall the old version but how would i do that?
03:39.12oiaohmmvaenskae: change the complete driver in use.
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03:41.34mvaenskaeiirc the previous was nvidia-410 but it's at least not visible in `apt search` anymore
03:43.55mvaenskaeon here i can see a link to the old driver: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nvidia-graphics-drivers but how would i correctly instlal it and remove the currently active nvidia driver?
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03:46.11somiajyou could look at snapshot.debian.org for older packages, but these get no support.
03:46.49mvaenskaei understand not receiving support for them and hope tensorflow fixes their build system (in which case i will migrate to the new version and rebuild tf)
03:48.04mvaenskaesomiaj: would installing the old nvidia version automagically pull in the whole shebang of deps?
03:49.13mvaenskaenope, not listed on snapshot.debian.org...
03:52.05somiajyou can add various snapshots to your sources.list and install them that way, or just manually download the .debs you need.
03:52.24somiajI don't use snapshot that often, so read the docs.
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03:59.47mvaenskaethanks for mentioning the snapshot option
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04:17.24truemanHi everyone - newbie here - have installed 6.0.4 on and old pc but cannot log in
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04:29.46mvaenskaealright, downgrading was not necessary but the update broke some cuda-stuff which i manually installed (needed it for manual compilations)
04:29.55mvaenskaereinstall and reboot fixed it
04:30.19mvaenskaebut i learned about snapshots (very valuable for the future)
04:30.32mvaenskaeso thanks for pointing me towards that
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07:28.57rantcan anyone think of what ELSE would cause ssh to say no route to host.. other than there being no route to host? I can ping -c1 10.0.0.2 and get a reply, I can access http://10.0.0.2 but doing ssh 10.0.0.2 is saying no route to host which is nonsense
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07:29.42Habbierant, a firewall
07:31.26ranttrue.. hmm.. but wouldnt that have to be a local firewall on the client side? cause if it were on the server it'd just say connection refused or connection timed out
07:31.39rantI don't have any firewall on this machine
07:32.04rantfurthermore I was just using ssh to that same ip and port before I swapped the server
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07:34.19lupulo@rant, but the firewall could drop packet of different ways
07:35.20rantyes but the error no route to host would be generated by my local routing tables, no?
07:35.37lupulorant, https://nmap.org/book/firewall-subversion.html
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07:35.55ranthmm.. idk this new server got all kinds of crap I'm not familiar with yet.. has fail2ban among other stuff that installed with the freedombox I was trying out
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07:38.24rantnot sure really what to check to see if this is fail2ban related ..
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07:41.30rantit does say in this freedombox security setting that only users in the admin group will be able to login to the console or via SSH
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07:44.02CarlFKhow do I give a user (jenkins) sudo privs so it doesn't prompt for a password ?
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07:47.13rantCarlFK: is the user already in the sudo group?
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07:48.05CarlFKrant: yes
07:48.18rantCarlFK: change the %sudo line to read: %sudo   ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
07:48.32rantCarlFK: unless you want to create a new rule just for one user
07:48.59CarlFKmeh, this this is fine - thanks
07:49.11rantCarlFK: use the visudo command
07:49.18rantto edit that
07:49.29CarlFKrant: how do I tell visudo to use vim?
07:49.37rantheh
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07:50.11rantthats hilarious to me cause I hate vi* and it always used to use vi.. which I believe is where it got its name.. now it uses nano by default
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07:50.33CarlFKyeah, I was thinking that...
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07:51.34rantthats a question that has a vast many answers..  as it has a number of ways to change this.. for a single run doing EDITOR=vi visudo should work
07:52.23rantfor more information see man visudo, the bit about editors is at the top.. says it uses /usr/bin/editor by default which is handled by alternatives i.e. update-alternatives
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07:52.53rantso the simplest most debian way of doing it would be to change your default editor in alternatives
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07:53.01rantbut it can also be done with env vars or directives in the sudoers file itself
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07:55.51rantremoves all the freedom box crap and prepares to reboot :P
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07:56.51rantI satisfied my curiousity and seeing what that does.. might be great for someone who doesn't know wth they're doing, but its confusing the crap outta me and I just wanna ssh in and get to work, dont need newfangled crap I dont understand keepin me out
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08:02.48lupulorant,  man update-alternatives
08:02.53rant:D  thats more like it..
08:03.32rantlupulo: I ain't your man, buddy
08:04.04rant(its a south park meme..)
08:04.20rantI wasn't asking about alternatives I was answering a question about it
08:04.32rantmore specifically about how to change the editor for visudo
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08:07.35Ticho_"man visudo" has an entire paragraph about how visudo chooses the editor program
08:07.50rantyeah.. I said that as well
08:08.12rantbut I felt the need to mention alternatives cause it doesnt mention that
08:08.37Ticho_because it's a completely unrelated thing
08:08.44rantand lesser experienced users who havent been using debian for decades might not realize the reference to /usr/bin/editor is a link to alternatives
08:09.13rantit is in general, but not in debian.. and not if a user is likely the only user of a system and prefers vi to nano
08:09.30rantwhich I think is insane, but w/e
08:09.44rantisn't a fan of vi* :P
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08:11.32tinyhippovisudo is a stupid thing
08:11.59tinyhipposhould just be /path/to/editor/of/your/choice /etc/sudoers
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08:12.40rantnot really.. its validation of editing a priv escalating config with far reaching scope and giving a less confusing entry into the linux manual pages than sudoers :P
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08:14.33Ticho_tinyhippo: nobody is stopping you from doing just that on your system
08:14.45jellytinyhippo: and let users edit /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$USER directly!  crontab -e is stupid
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08:15.49ranthttps://xkcd.com/378/  'course there's an emacs command to do that. Oh yeah, good ol
08:16.02rantC-x M-C M-butterfly :P
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08:20.27blebim trying to enable "sudo apt ..." for my user account with no password
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08:20.36blebin my sudoers file i have:
08:20.36blebcm      ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt
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08:21.04Habbiebleb, any reason you're trying to allow just apt and not everything else?
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08:22.06blebHabbie: i have some distractions dns blocked and want to make it difficult for myself to circumvent
08:22.17Habbiefair enough :)
08:22.43blebok its working now... i forgot i had changed my user account name
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08:26.44tinyhippojelly: I mean the fact that it's called visudo and opens nano where nano is set as the default editor
08:26.54tinyhippomaybe it should be `sudotab -e`
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08:28.40Ticho_don't forget to also change commands vipw and vigr, while you're at it
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08:57.25ksktinyhippo: visudo is a wrapper around EDITOR, which makes sure you do not mess up sudoers (and end up with an unusable system)
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09:09.18MdlpeHi, I attempt to install MxDebian on my laptop. I installed it on my second hdd. I made a new efi partition on sdb. All is fine but I don't have ths Windows boot option on the grub menu. How to add it, please ?
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09:10.37AdamJensenDoes Debian's Chromium disable signing in with a google sync account?
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09:18.48AdamJensenHalp?
09:18.57kskAdamJensen: not sure, but I thought the whole point of chromium was to have something google-ecosystem-free in the first place?
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09:19.23AdamJensenksk: but I need the stuff I have synced there
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09:20.30lavendershow to encrypt a normal usb drive?
09:20.40kskhttps://askubuntu.com/questions/41766/is-it-possible-to-enable-google-bookmarks-sync-in-chromium -- not a primary debian soure so to say - but did you actually check if you could just use the sync?
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09:20.57ksk"They are no longer building the Sync-APIs into Chromium, so it does not appear to be working with the current version 59.0.3062.0."
09:21.49AdamJensenksk: everything's working fine on my archlinux build
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09:22.03AdamJensenWith version 74
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09:22.49AdamJensenI'm running unstable also
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09:23.01AdamJensenPlease, I want those digital handcuffs from Google
09:24.55AdamJensenIs Debian's chromium built without it?
09:25.32AdamJensenbtw, unstable is the new sid, right?
09:25.40ksk!sid
09:25.40dpkgsid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.  The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
09:25.53ksk!debian-next
09:25.53dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
09:25.54ksk!next
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09:26.18AdamJensenksk: don't give me that X_X
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09:30.09AdamJensenYep, it seems like the package is built this way
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09:31.53kinky_nekoboianbody experiences kernel 4.19 hangs at the loading ramdisk stage ?
09:31.54AdamJensenStarting to regret installing debian instead of archlinux on this box...
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09:34.55kskkinky_nekoboi: is that an official debian distributed kernel, or something you build? most of times you are missing devices (LVM, raid, ??) when it hangs on ramdisk.
09:35.04xevilstarhello fellow debianinsts ..... where can I check if anyone is looking after https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929803
09:36.07kinky_nekoboiksk, its the offical kernel from debian buster
09:36.14kskxevilstar: the maintainer of that package (And maybe more) have gotten an email regarding your issue.
09:36.39kskkinky_nekoboi: since buster is not live (yet), I think this talk is best put to debian-next.
09:36.54kinky_nekoboiksk, some background: ASUS KGPE-D16 with coreboot. 4.9 from stretch boots fine
09:36.59xevilstarkinky_nekoboi: I am not invited there
09:37.20kskdid you read the debian-next faqtoid to the end? its not on this network.
09:37.21kinky_nekoboicannot find debian-next on freenode
09:37.30kinky_nekoboiah ok
09:37.45xevilstarkinky_nekoboi: can I get invited ?
09:37.58kskxevilstar: wat?
09:38.18xevilstarI'd like to be invited to #debian-next
09:38.25xevilstarhow can I ?
09:38.29ksk!tell xevilstar about debian-next
09:38.34kskread what the bot says.
09:38.46xevilstar!tell xevilstar about debian-next
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09:39.05kskit did already message you. look out for a window with a private message (from dpkg)
09:40.03xevilstar[11:39:32] Attempting connection to irc.oftc.net (OFTC) on port 6667
09:40.05xevilstar[11:39:32] Looking up the server hostname (irc.oftc.net)...
09:40.07xevilstar[11:39:35] Can't find the server IP address: Unknown node (host not found)
09:41.01kskworks for me (and using google its 8.8.8.8)
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09:41.42xevilstarnow it works
09:42.21uptimeHuh, didn't work for me either a few minutes ago.
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09:46.24xevilstarhttps://services.oftc.net/ for the moment is 404
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09:46.43xevilstarwait ... connecting ....
09:47.11xevilstar(slow as death by hunger)
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09:49.21AdamJensenWhy not make the unstable channel here? Connecting to another server is a hassle
09:49.46xevilstarAdamJensen: exactly
09:49.51jellyAdamJensen: this IS the other server.
09:50.10AdamJensenjelly: but we can't talk about unstable/sid here
09:50.14jellyall #debian* channels are on OFTC.  irc.debian.org is OFTC.
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09:54.00xevilstarjelly: cannot reach that oftc site
09:54.16xevilstarjelly: how can validate my nickname ?
09:54.30humpledWAH
09:55.22shellclearhi, it has been few days OS always checks filesystem at boot time, looking for a solution I verify /etc/fstab and tune2fs
09:55.25shellclearhttps://asciinema.org/a/Nta6mV9I7tPx8D3by575HIfeM
09:56.11shellclearthe question is: why 'Maximum mount count' value is set to -1 ?
09:56.30shellclearIdidnt remember to change this option in the filesystem
09:57.05shellclearwould someone knows why that?
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09:59.03xevilstarnice I am trying from two different connections to reach https://services.oftc.net/ and it gives me a 404
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10:02.00tdnHow can I implement a 'pi-hole' on a regular Debian server that is not a raspberrypi?
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10:03.51Unit193xevilstar: Try to send /msg nickserv checkverify over there now.
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10:04.56xevilstarUnit193: NickServ [services@services.oftc.net]: To set +R, your nick must be registered and verified.
10:05.30Unit193xevilstar: Did you try since I made that comment?
10:06.10Unit193If so, seems you aren't logged in?
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10:08.03xevilstarUnit193:  I tried to verify connecting to the https site but 404
10:08.23xevilstartried that checkverify and nada
10:08.27Unit193Yeah, but your account is verified now (/msg NickServ info xevilstar)
10:08.29xevilstarwill try again now
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10:09.17xevilstaroki works now
10:10.19xevilstarthanks
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10:33.25Greyztarhello, im wondering is it possible to get continuously output from ps command? Im trying this sort of ps aux | grep program | tail -f but obviously doesnt work,is there another way?
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10:33.51LopeSolved. /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max
10:37.14humpledGreyztar $ watch <command>
10:38.10Greyztarhumpled, nice one exactly what i was looking for =)
10:40.16humpledyup i used to do all kinds of faff until i heard of that
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11:04.54uioHi. I noticed over the past few days that my default firefox search had been switched to Google. Why is this?
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11:07.59kreyrenanyone figured out how to nuke systemd from debian buster (minimall install)
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11:10.42kreyrengetting this err http://ix.io/1KNC
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11:11.21Habbiethat's a pretty clear error
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11:12.35Habbiekreyren, i haven't tried it, but perhaps installing sysvinit-core will help
11:12.37uptimeuio: Probably more a thing you'd want to take up with firefox's support rather than (#)debian's.
11:13.25kreyrenHabbie: core and utils of sysvinit already installed
11:13.40kreyrenuptime: what
11:13.59themillkreyren: that's not what the error message says
11:14.10uptimekreyren: "what" what?
11:14.22Habbieupdate-alternatives perhaps?
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11:15.32kreyrenthemill: http://ix.io/1KND
11:15.52kreyrenuptime: assuing it was on me.. asking firefox for openrc support?
11:16.17themillkreyren: please read the error message.
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11:16.37kreyrenhow do i switch to it then
11:16.40uptimekreyren: my comment was directed at another user, not you, sorry
11:16.56kreyrenuptime: np, mb
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11:19.34kreyrenthemill: do i just reboot after i apted openrc package and invoked requested script in installer?
11:20.46kreyrenor using upstart?
11:21.02kreyrenbased on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/11/msg01452.html
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11:21.57kreyrenyolo reboot
11:23.56uiouptime, But, as far as I know, Debian packages an older version of FF.
11:25.20uiouptime, Debian FF does come with a Debian Package search option, which must be from Debian. So it would appear that Debian does alter some things from the original FF.
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11:47.47uioHas anyone else had this same FF issue where the search engine default has changed?
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11:48.05kreyrenI broke my xorg.. Need help: http://ix.io/1KNN
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11:51.18kopperkreyren: What did you do to break it?
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11:51.52kreyrenkopper: followed instructions to install openrc
11:52.08diogenes_kreyren, at the end of the log it says: Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org :)
11:52.20kreyrendiogenes_: did that didn't help
11:52.45kreyrenseems to be missing debian dep
11:52.51kreyrenthat was provided by systemd
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11:53.42kreyrenxorg 1:7.7+19 is installed
11:54.07kreyrenix.io/1KNQ list of installed pck
11:54.28Habbiekreyren, you do understand that debian without systemd is not a supported configuration?
11:54.45kreyrenHabbie: why not it has official package + wiki
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11:54.52kreyren+ #debian-next is down
11:55.04Habbiedown?
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11:55.16kreyrenyep can't log in outputs unable to connect
11:55.25Habbiethere are 178 people in it
11:55.27Habbieit is not down
11:55.29kreyrenwhat
11:55.30kreyrenchecking
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11:55.51kreyrenwhat is the server for #debian-next?
11:56.25kreyrenoftc.net ?
11:56.31jellyHabbie: debian with sysvinit as /sbin/init is still a supported configuration
11:56.39Habbiejelly, kreyren installed openrc
11:56.42Habbiehttps://wiki.debian.org/Init
11:56.48kreyrenincluding sysvinit
11:56.53kreyrencore + utils
11:57.00kreyrensince thats what openrc provides on debian
11:57.02Habbiejelly, ah i reread what i said, yes, that was inaccurate
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11:57.15jellyupdate-rc.d has some support for openrc
11:57.43kreyrenmb debian-next works i had wrong server o.o
11:58.04jellybut the further you go from the well established defaults, more bugs you're going to find, of course
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11:59.52kreyrenlike openrc works no issue on exherbo and gentoo for me.. rather downstream needs to update deps for debian..
12:01.49oiaohmjelly: also going back to sysvinit means running into the bugs that systemd fixes as well.
12:02.01kreyrenbugs alike
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12:03.25oiaohmkreyren: systemd cgroups detect process leak events.   So when you stop a service in systemd you in fact stop all of it.   Where in sysvinit something can be left running this results in time not being able to restart particular services simply.
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12:07.43kreyrenoiaohm: reference?
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12:08.24kreyrenalso cgroup are part of SElinux right? i'm not using that NSA thing..
12:08.43oiaohmkreyren: cgroup is not apart of Selinux.
12:09.12themilltinfoil is rarely helpful to configuring Debian.
12:09.59oiaohmkreyren: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cgroups  History of it has absolutely nothing todo with NSA.
12:10.56Resilienceoiaohm, what is a "process leak event"?
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12:11.22kreyrenchecking
12:12.19uioTinfoil isn't helpful, but sarcasm is.
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12:13.12kreyrenmb then o.o
12:15.49oiaohmResilience: It a name I have given to a particular annoyance.   Something I use to run into with cups and servivces.    Where you tell it to  restart under sysvinit and it would fail because some resource that was required was still held by some process that had been spawned.
12:16.17oiaohmResilience: basically a process excaped the stop part of the sysvinit script.
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12:17.15oiaohmResilience: this could also turn into a form of memory leak when you had restarted a service many times as well from the lost processes.
12:18.26Resilienceoiaohm, I would noto xcall it a leak, becuase the process isnot leaking memory, but I understand what you mean
12:19.02Habbieit is commonly called a leak
12:19.04Habbienot only memory can leak
12:19.10Habbiesome bugs leak file descriptors
12:19.28oiaohmthis form of bug leaks processes.
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12:20.00oiaohmI hope openrc cgroup functionality will stop this pest as well.
12:20.07oiaohmIn time.
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12:31.09EdePopedeif i want to mount an USB hdd by mountpoint, but this HDD isn't attached, why is the DVD accessed?
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12:35.14psicobrahi guys any ideas how i can change the default mount point for an external drive
12:35.37towo^workwrite it in fstab
12:35.45towo^workor create an udev-rule
12:36.10psicobratowo^work, i tried that but i must have got something wrong and it stopped booting
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12:36.29towo^workyou have to use noauto as option in fstab
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12:41.25psicobratowo^work, does this look right https://pasteboard.co/IhHznsR.png
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12:51.04kinky_nekoboithe kernel hang i described today also hapends with the stretch-backports kernel linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64
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13:18.19uioIs hiddenwasp a concern for Debian?
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13:19.21greycatIs there a CVE?  Is there a DSA?
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13:19.54Habbieit's a malware toolkit
13:19.56Habbienot a vulnerability
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13:21.41uioHabbie, I read briefly about linux computers being affected...
13:21.49Habbieuio, yes, it is a rootkit for linux
13:22.02Habbieuio, which somebody could deploy on your system -once they have gotten access-
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13:22.36uioHabbie, So, there'd have to be a different security issue?
13:22.48uioHabbie, And then they could set it up on the machine?
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13:23.05Greyztarhello, is there a way to redirect errors to a file ,only that if its no error no file will be created?
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13:23.28greycatGreyztar: no.  The shell cannot predict the future.  The best you can do is remove the empty file afterward.
13:23.32Habbieuio, yes
13:23.54Greyztargreycat, alright thanks!
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13:25.11wwilliamHello where are the all users alias located?
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13:25.14uioHabbie, Okay, so I guess security problems cause more security problems. Thanks!
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13:25.35greycatwwilliam: the what?
13:26.18wwilliamaliases like cp=cp -i
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13:26.46greycatsome might be in /etc/skel/.bashrc, some might be in /etc/bash.bashrc
13:26.57wwilliamThanks greycat
13:27.07EnissayI forgot my root psw, but from my user account I can do "sudo passwd root" and update it. However, when I try to open a root session, I keep getting "Access denied" !
13:27.18greycatthe files in /etc/skel/ get copied into new user home directories if you create the users with adduser
13:27.45greycatEnissay: how are you trying to "open a root session"?
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13:35.59EnissayOkay, I'm MobaXterm to open these SSH session on my raspberry. First I connect via SSH to my user, then "sudo -i" then "sudo passwd root"... When again I try to open an SSH session with root user, I get the "Access denied"
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13:36.06Enissaygreycat: ^
13:36.08spectral`hello
13:36.27greycatso the failure happens when you try to ssh in directly as root?  that probably means your sshd_config is configured not to allow direct root logins.
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13:36.47greycatgrep PermitRoot /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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13:39.38spectral`I'm trying to upgrade to Buster. I did remove the defaultrelease file and the only lines left in my sources.list are "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian buster main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" (and the associated deb-src). However when I use "apt update" it tells me that all packages are up to date, and I can't upgrade. No other error shows up. Do you have an idea of what's wrong?
13:40.01spectral`(actually no error shows up at all)
13:40.02greycatcomment out the security.debian.org line for now, and remove the comment when buster is released
13:40.07Enissaygreycat: https://pastebin.com/PrzTXL1M
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13:40.21dvsspectral`, apt dist-upgrade?
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13:41.32greycatEnissay: (1) raspbian support it in the raspbian channel; (2) no PermitRoot means you're using whatever the default is; read sshd_config(5) to find out what that is
13:41.47spectral`I commented security upgrades, but I still have no upgradable packages. (I did use both update, upgrade and dist-upgrade)
13:41.58spectral`I'm rebooting in case it needs to reload something
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13:44.37spectral`could pinning.ref be the cause? grep shows it has a line "Pin: release a=stable"
13:44.56greycatyou were mixing releases before?  ugh.
13:45.15spectral`I was? I only used stretch, and backports
13:45.32spectral`or backports counts as mixing
13:45.46greycatno, it doesn't, but you shouldn't have to touch pinning for that
13:45.48Enissaygreycat: Thanks, will try there
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13:47.35EdePopedeis there a better solution to columnate output of multiple commands? with `(foo;bar)|column` it truncates after half of the lines, while i'd need something like `<td>foo</td><td>bar</td>` were it doesn't spread output of one command over multiple columns
13:47.53spectral`well, after removing the pinning I have 2426 packages showing up in update
13:47.56spectral`problem solved
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13:49.11greycatEdePopede: exec 3< <(foo) 4< <(bar); while IFS= read -ru3 foo || IFS= read -ru4 bar; do printf '<td>%s</td><td>%s</td>\n' "$foo" "$bar"; done; exec 3<&- 4<&-
13:49.52greycatof course you're on your own if the contents of the streams contain < > & chars
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13:51.38EdePopedegreycat: i'm still trying to get through all these redirections, but... erm. this html was just to demonstrate how the layout should be, i don't really want html. only a real clean table output. just like... output of foo on the left, output of bar on the right.
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13:52.32EdePopedethough piping to w3m or so would maybe work, but this sounds like overkill
13:52.35greycatEdePopede: exec 3< <(foo) 4< <(bar); while IFS= read -ru3 foo || IFS= read -ru4 bar; do printf '%-40s%-40s\n' "$foo" "$bar"; done; exec 3<&- 4<&-
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13:56.51twdid not know you could set env vars in only the subcommand part of the while loop. That's really handy.
13:57.53greycatAnd in case it wasn't obvious, the scripts I wrote just now use bash features, so you need to run them with #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh
13:58.32twshould also work in zsh, though I haven't tried it.
13:58.55greycatspecifically the process substitions <(foo) and the read -uN flag
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14:00.04EdePopedegreycat: a good start. problem is only that the 2nd column starts in the line after the 1st one unluckily. seems that my first idea wasn't that bad: count lines for the last printed column, go up that many lines and instead spaces move the cursor to the right for each line. going to play a bit with ANSI Escapes :)
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14:00.53greycatis your terminal less than 80 characters wide?
14:02.12greycatyou can change the second %-40s to %s to avoid the space padding on the second column
14:02.29jellytw: I honestly do not know anyone writing zsh scripts (and I won't admit to it)
14:02.38EdePopedemore, that's the thing. i want to show infos i did with conky, but i don't feel like setting it up again while waiting for buster. so i thought i'd give it a screen window of my fullscreen terminal. 212 columns in fact, that's a nice playground.
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14:03.18greycatif you want to measure the width ($COLUMNS or tput ...) and divide by two, you can do that
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14:04.30EdePopedegreycat: no, the issue is that for the 2nd column your script doesn't return to line 1. it continues at line 25 or whatever depending on the length of the 1st column
14:05.03EdePopedeoh wait, multitail...? iirc it has curses and multiple windows
14:05.11twjelly: I try to maintain my no-bash policy as much as is reasonable. A petty result of the shellshock ssh exploit, but since I started, I've just kept up the practice.
14:05.28greycatEdePopede: did you forget the \n in the printf?
14:06.08EdePopedenope, copypaste and only replaced the commands in the exec statement
14:06.44EdePopedeor do i also have to do it in the while?
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14:07.30greycatEdePopede: damn it.  let's try...
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14:07.54greycatexec 3< <(seq 3 5) 4< <(seq 111 115); while IFS= read -ru3 foo; IFS= read -ru4 bar; [[ $foo || $bar ]]; do printf '%-40s%-40s\n' "$foo" "$bar"; done; exec 3<&- 4<&-
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14:08.39EdePopedei wish column had such an option to not only know about a column divider character, but also about a line divider to make columnating long texts more flexible
14:09.06EdePopedeyip. great. thanks.
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14:09.44EdePopedethat's why i love the shell :)
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14:10.06greycatit's good at some things
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14:10.23NocaoVERIFY REGISTER Nocao vkbzetuogqzq
14:10.24twI feel like `paste <(seq 3 5) <(seq 111 115)` would do a similar thing w/o all the reading.
14:10.47greycattw: his original question said he wanted HTML, so I wrote that
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14:10.51greycatthen he changed it
14:10.52twmakes sense.
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14:11.06twTaught me something too, so I'm glad of it.
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14:17.48EdePopedetw: indeed. looked yesterday through the coreutils list and didn't find it. don't ask, i don't have an answer either ;)
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14:18.21EdePopedebut still good to have an alternative. and a nifty bash oneliner
14:19.46greycata while back in #bash we tried to figure out what the hell the purpose of column(1) is, and it wasn't clear to anyone
14:20.15greycatit seems to be two programs merged together into one, but neither one had a clearly defined input case or goal
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14:21.03EdePopedei only used it to columnate lines lke a:b:c so far, with -t -s: or what the options are (gnu uses different ones in different commands :/)
14:21.37greycat"column -t" does a thing, and "column" without -t does another thing, but neither of those things is obviously useful
14:21.49greycator at least, none of us at the time could figure it out
14:23.12EdePopedei thing i used it (as an example) as part of the process of filtering and outlaying (is this even a word?) the output of sensors
14:23.21EdePopedes/thing/think/
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14:23.42twI could find a use for column sans -t. In the same way ls automatically generates columns from output.
14:24.06EdePopedeand things like password files, a common delimiter throughout the whole thing being really helpful
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15:16.35velixapt search fast-food
15:16.39velixapt install kebap
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15:18.19EdePopedevelix, be careful. kebap depends on hot and everything ;)
15:18.39velixEdePopede: chicken not found :(
15:19.01EdePopedevelix: add the Wienerwald repo ;)
15:20.17masonkebap?
15:20.29masonvariant of kebab?
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15:22.03EdePopedemason: german wikipedia has it as alternative, turkish starts with "Döner ya da döner kebap". one should be a transitional package.
15:22.31masonheh
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15:24.14masonOh, wow. I never new the etymology here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batata_vada  I should really join whatever the relevant -offtopic channel is at some point.
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15:25.08EdePopede#debian-offtopic you mean?
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15:25.40masonLikely, yes.
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15:30.47kalipsohey guys. i have trouble setting up dnsmasq. i use it as dns and dhcp. the problem is that it is giving out ipv6 nameservers which ignore my local domains. is there a way to prevent that?
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15:31.29kalipsomaybe i have to configure something in ip6tables?
15:32.09Daggerip6tables isn't going to affect which DNS servers dnsmasq hands out
15:32.21jellykalipso: what do you mean ignore, did you tell dnsmasq to forward queries for your private domains to your own auth servers?
15:32.42Daggerthe right answer is to configure it to give out the servers you want to use instead of ones you don't want to use, but I don't know how to do that with dnsmasq
15:33.18jellyDagger: dnsmasq puts itself in resolv.conf, and forwards or responds authoritatively based on config
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15:35.53jellykalipso: which debian release is this?  What does your dnsmasq.conf look like?
15:37.19kalipsojelly: i configured a local domain "local=/foo.bar/". when connecting via dhcp i get an ip and to nameservers in resolv.conf. the first one is the ipv4 addr of the host running dnsmasq and the second one is an ipv6 addr which looks like it represents the whole subnet. if i use the ipv4 nameserver the local domains are resolved correctly, if i use the ipv6 nameserver it does not
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15:38.47kalipsojelly: stretch
15:39.04jellykalipso: is "foo.bar" the actual domain name you're using?
15:39.24kalipsojelly: no :D
15:39.42jellythe real value wouldn't by any chance end with .local would it?
15:39.48kalipsono
15:40.00jellyokay
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15:41.54kalipsoon my laptop everything is fine. the problem is that windows and android devices prever the ipv6 addr which prevents them from finding the local host
15:41.58tdskalipso: what's the ipv6 address exactly? I think dnsmasq in certain configs can hand out its own link local address with rdnss options in RAs?
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15:42.50kalipsotds: its like: "1111:2222:3333::1"
15:43.24kalipsothats why i think it represents a subnet. iam not rly into ipv6
15:43.30tdsand that address isn't bound on the box running dnsmasq? are you sure it's coming from dnsmasq in the first place?
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15:43.48tds::1 in a subnet is often a router, sounds like your router might be sending RAs with its own address as an rdnss option
15:44.10Daggerthat represents the subnet as much as 192.168.1.1 represents a v4 subnet (i.e. not at all; it's probably your router)
15:44.19Daggerand my gut says the v6 address is probably coming from your router via RDNSS, in which case you'd need to do the reconfiguring on the router
15:44.55tds`rdisc6 eth0` will tell you what's actually sending RAs, on debiany things you want the ndisc6 package
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15:45.40kalipsotds: okay. so i have no router, the router is a debian machine which also runs dnsmasq
15:45.49kalipsohow would i prevent to send rdnss
15:46.03tdsI'd run that command to check if it's actually coming from RDNSS options in RAs first
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15:46.49Daggerso what machine is 1111:2222:3333::1?
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15:47.04kalipsotds: gimme a sec
15:47.09tds^^ what Dagger said
15:48.12kalipsoi get "Sending ICMPv6 packet: Operation not permitted"
15:48.15kalipsoas full root
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15:48.55kalipsoiam dropping INPUT and OUTPUT in ip6tables for debugging
15:48.56Lady_AleenaBefore I do the dist-upgrade, I believe I was told to NOT be in my de while doing that. So, how do I get out of my de and get a command prompt and log in as root?
15:49.33greycatLady_Aleena: log out, then Ctrl-Alt-F2
15:49.36tdsyeah, those drop rules would break it, if you really want to test without removing the drop rules you could just tcpdump for icmp6 on the interface
15:50.29jellyLady_Aleena: if your dist-upgrade is also a release upgrade, consider running it inside screen or tmux.
15:50.53Lady_Aleenajelly, what are those?
15:51.17jelly!screen
15:51.17dpkgscreen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected.  See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>.  See http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnuScreen to keep ctrl-a unbroken.  http://www.gnu.org/software/screen  #screen on irc.freenode.net.
15:52.09kalipsotds: ok i ACCEPT INPUT and OUTPUT now. i get some output, there is a line "recursive dns server " followed by the ipv6 address i get in resolv.conf
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15:52.32tdsok, sounds like that is where it's coming from then, so what's the source of that RA?
15:52.37jellyLady_Aleena: both allow logging of output which is helpful when something goes wonky
15:52.43Lady_AleenaOkay, this made it even more complicated.
15:52.48jellyyes.
15:52.49dvsyup
15:52.59kalipsoiam starting to think that one of the openwrt access points is handling out that address. because i DROPED ipv6 on the dnsmasq host and still got that ipv6 nameserver
15:53.10greycatthe release notes suggest using script(1) to log the session
15:53.29tdskalipso: rdisc6 should include the source mac, you can hunt it down from there
15:53.33jellyI... run script -a ... inside screen.
15:53.39Lady_AleenaI was just going to change my sources.list, apt-get update, then log out, ctrl-alt-F2, log in as root and run the dist-upgrade. Now there are additional steps?
15:54.02dvsthat's fine
15:54.17jellygreycat: ubuntu's do-release-upgrade script does all that and ALSO starts a separate sshd on a different port
15:54.35Lady_AleenaThis is why I haven't upgraded from jessie yet. I don't know what the proper set up steps are.
15:54.38jelly(they're covering as many bases as sanely possible)
15:54.41themillLady_Aleena: you know how you keep ignoring the release notes because it has additional steps in there?
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15:55.08Lady_Aleenathemill, I read the upgrade guide several times, it is filled with too much technobabble.
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15:55.17Lady_AleenaI can't understand half of it.
15:55.25themillyou mean the extra steps that you're now saying you don't know about
15:56.03Lady_AleenaI read something about logging, but I didn't understand it.
15:56.24jellymaybe ask us about the specific things you don't understand?
15:56.34Lady_AleenaI didn't see anything about using screen, unless I missed it in the upgrade thing.
15:57.00greycatscreen/tmux was jelly's personal suggestion, not part of the release notes AFAIK
15:57.00themill« In order to gain extra safety margin when upgrading remotely, we suggest that you run upgrade processes in the virtual console provided by the screen program, which enables safe reconnection and ensures the upgrade process is not interrupted even if the remote connection process fails.»
15:57.10kalipsotds: with the MAC and some nmap scan i was able to find the AP. thanks a lot u saved my day, i was close to getting insane :)
15:57.33greycatah, the "remotely" clause.  right, I forgot that...
15:57.39jelly.o O.O
15:57.59tdskalipso: depending on what switches you're using, you may want to enable "RA guard" or a similar feature to drop RAs from ports that don't have routers behind them :)
15:58.07jellydid not know the release notes told about screen either
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15:59.10kalipsotds: i will look into that
16:01.42Lady_AleenaFor example, section "4.1.4. Prepare for recovery" seems to be talking about what could go wrong AFTER the upgrade, am I correct? If so, why isn't it at the end of the document?
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16:02.50LtLLady_Aleena: the word 'Prepare' kinda says it all.
16:03.15themillIt's hard to prepare for disaster recovery after the disaster.
16:03.50dvs"For this reason it makes sense to ensure that you will be able to recover if your system should fail to reboot or, for remotely managed systems, fail to bring up networking. "
16:04.13dvsthat says it all.
16:04.55Lady_AleenaWhat is an initrds?
16:05.05greycatthe plural of initrd, which is an initial ram disk
16:05.07Lady_AleenaFrom section 4.1.4.1
16:05.26greycatDebian kernel images use an initrd to boot.  Those live in /boot.
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16:06.11greycatEach Debian kernel you've installed has 3 files in /boot: vmlinuz (the kernel itself), initrd.img (the initial ram disk image), and config (a text file showing the configuration options)
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16:14.33Lady_AleenaI'm not trying to find a page that tells me how to make a live CD just in case. This may take a while.
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16:15.04greycat!live
16:15.05dpkgThe Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own.  These can be used to install a Debian system.  Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ .  http://live.debian.net/  #debian-live on irc.debian.org.  See also <live firmware>.  For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>.
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16:21.39Lady_AleenaWhich file do I want from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/?
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16:22.04jellywhichever you prefer?
16:22.12EdePopedefavorite DE?
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16:22.25EdePopede(you still can install another one later)
16:22.56jellyEdePopede: this is only for recovery purposes, their goal is jessie->stretch
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16:23.15EdePopedeah right
16:24.03Lady_AleenaSo the KDE iso then, since I use KDE right?
16:24.23dvssure
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16:26.23jellycollect them all!
16:26.36jellya set of 7 usb sticks!
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16:27.51jellyif your hardware requires non-free firmware to get network access, consider using an unofficial live image with firmware
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16:28.07Lady_Aleenajelly, I'm using CDs, I don't have any usb sticks.
16:28.27Lady_AleenaAnd I am running out of CDs.
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16:28.53jellywell next time maybe get a couple cheap 8GB sticks
16:29.15jellythey can be overwritten a hundred times with different images
16:29.36Lady_AleenaNow, that I have the iso, I've opened up K3b, but I can't remember the steps for making the cd.
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16:30.19dvsTools | Burn Image...
16:32.44Lady_AleenaBurning now...this will take a while.
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16:36.36EdePopedeLady_Aleena: on the long run sticks are far better than CDs, which i'd use only when really needed. even for backup purposes a HD is cheaper nowadays.
16:36.37Lady_AleenaI don't think I have any firmware that needed something from non-free to get it to work.
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16:37.06Lady_AleenaEdePopede, my last USB stick died on me. I can't access the files on it.
16:37.29Lady_AleenaAnd it was my good 64GB usb stick.
16:37.34EdePopedeouch
16:37.53Lady_AleenaYep, the thing won't mount.
16:37.57EdePopedenever spent too much for them, even bought one in a discounter. and 32GB was my limit so far.
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16:38.22EdePopededid you try to dd it? maybe just a software problem
16:38.50jhutchins_wk1Anything you have only on a flash drive you don't really have.  Shrodinger's files.
16:38.55Lady_AleenaI can't remember all the steps I took to recover it, it was a while ago. I have two back up hard drives in my computer, so I rsync things to them.
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16:39.26jhutchins_wk1I built a system a few years ago with a hotplug SATA bay and five rotating backup drives.
16:39.57EdePopedewhat about SDD? aren't they flash after all?
16:39.59Lady_AleenaSo, my boot disk is complete, I hope.
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16:40.50EdePopedeLady_Aleena: you could read it back and check if you think you'll feel better about it. or simply try to boot from it
16:42.06jhutchins_wk1EdePopede: From what I've seen, SSDs started out slightly more reliable than USB sticks and have continuously improved.
16:42.39jhutchins_wk1EdePopede: We now have enterprise storage systems with multiple terabytes.  They're raid of course, but not a high failure rate.
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16:44.41EdePopedeso maybe i should really think of one for the system. would it be advisable to also put the swap to it?
16:45.34jhutchins_wk1EdePopede: In as much as you don't want to be using swap except in "emergencies", it's ok to put it on SSD.
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16:46.17Lady_AleenaSo, with this disk, I could install Stretch if the dist-upgrade fails, right?
16:46.35EdePopedejhutchins: xfce on both machines, this one is for daily usage, 2GB RAM only, the other ones with 4GB runs smoother even with a live stick :D
16:46.50dvsyes
16:46.50noahmg123Is there any command I can pipe some text into that will parse ascii escape codes (like \040 becomes a space)?
16:47.42pie3how CPU communicates with various controllers?
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16:48.11greycatis \ooo the only type of escape sequence you need to expand?
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16:48.24jellyLady_Aleena: the idea is to have a stepping point to fix things if you end up with an unbootable or otherwise broken system during the release upgrade
16:48.35Lady_AleenaSo, sections 4.1.4.1 and 4.1.4.2 are to be used to figure out what went wrong on my system if dist-upgrade doesn't work as expected?
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16:49.26noahmg123greycat: yeah that's it. my .mysql_history file somehow got corrupted with them.
16:49.57greycatnoahmg123: if it's a small to medium amount of text, printf %b "$(< your file)"
16:50.12dvsLady_Aleena, that's correct
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16:53.08jhutchins_wkWhat automation/scripting is available to manage bind dns?
16:54.02nkuttlerjhutchins_wk: hm, what do you want to automate?
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16:55.15jellyjhutchins_wk: /usr/sbin/rndc
16:55.17jellyhides
16:55.38Lady_AleenaRunning aptitude by itself is pretty intense.
16:56.02Lady_Aleenais going through the results of aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)' again, and all the same packages are listed from the last time.
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16:57.11Lady_AleenaIt seems that it doesn't like my printer driver, discord, ffmpeg, something from geany, and my preferred terminal emulator.
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16:58.23blacksoulHello everyone
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16:59.19blacksoulI was installed teamviewer on my pc but not working with waysland.Can anyone solve it?
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17:00.11jellydon't run wayland, run a session with X ?
17:02.28blacksouli am using gnome bro
17:02.36blacksoulhow to run with X?
17:02.40Lady_AleenaI just messed up bad with aptitude. I will be gone for a while. It just uninstalled KDE.
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17:02.55Lady_AleenaI think it is killing my system.
17:03.08Lady_AleenaIt is removing everything.
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17:03.20greycatblacksoul: I've been told that somewhere on the login screen there is a widget that lets you select "GNOME with X" instead of "GNOME with Wayland"
17:03.22blacksoulRunning with gdm3 bro
17:03.42blacksoulYes i see bro
17:03.46blacksoulThanks for suggest
17:03.56Lady_AleenaIt looks like I'm not running dist-upgrade, but doing a fresh install from the disk I just made.
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17:04.30Lady_AleenaIf I close anything right now, I am sol.
17:04.44annadaneyou don't have to accept aptitude's suggestion, you can cycle between them...
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17:05.08annadanelook at what the output tells you before pressing y for updates
17:05.15dvsLady_Aleena, you booted of the live disk to do the upgrade
17:05.19dvs?
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17:07.06Lady_AleenaNot yet, I was following the directions on the upgrade page that said " To perform this review, launch aptitude in full-terminal mode and press g (“Go”). If it shows any actions, you should review them and either fix them or implement the suggested actions. If no actions are suggested you will be presented with a message saying “No packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or upgraded”."
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17:07.36greycatI don't think *anyone* ever follows all those steps.
17:07.43jellyLady_Aleena: which upgrade page is that
17:08.00dvsjelly, section 4.2.1
17:08.08dvsrelease notes for stretch
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17:08.21Lady_AleenaI pressed g, and it did this so far: http://paste.debian.net/1085872/
17:08.57Lady_AleenaI was following on screen instructions from aptitude. I messed up.
17:09.43jellyLady_Aleena: you pressed g twice, probably
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17:09.51dvsSo it looks like kde was scheduled to be removed but it wasn't actually run (yet).
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17:10.11jellyLady_Aleena: if you want kde to be installed, install task-kde-desktop back.
17:10.31Lady_AleenaI hope I can jelly. I haven't pressed return after that last thing.
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17:12.45noahmg123greycat: thank you, I will try that
17:13.49Lady_AleenaThis is why I wish there were an upgrade package I could install and run that would do what needs to be done without the complicated instructions that lead me to do stupid crap like this.
17:14.40dvsThere would be no way to make one upgrade package that would work for everyone.
17:15.19greycat"edit sources.list, apt update, apt upgrade, apt full-upgrade" should work for about 95% of cases
17:15.29greycatthe dozens of pages of what-ifs are for the other 5%
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17:16.15noahmg123greycat: ok it works, but now there are no line breaks
17:16.40greycatnoahmg123: you're sure you remembered the double quotes around "$(< file)" ?
17:17.16Lady_Aleenagreycat, that was what I was going to do over an hour ago, but logging and other things were mentioned, so I went through the list on the upgrade page set by step this time, and I made a mess.
17:17.35noahmg123I forgot whoops
17:17.40noahmg123Thanks, it works now
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17:18.04jellydvs: ubuntu has one.
17:18.30jellythey also have like 10% the amount of actually supported packages
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17:20.10jellyand I think they force conf-new and do some other unsightly things to streamline the process
17:20.42dvsjelly, ugh.
17:21.42noahmg123greycat: ok wait, the file keeps getting corrupted with those escape codes whenever I login to my databse
17:22.19greycatI can't help much with mysql issues
17:22.48noahmg123Yeah, I just asked over in #mysql
17:23.04annadanemysql support questions, thesequel.
17:25.01dvsLady_Aleena, aptitude install task-kde-desktop gets KDE back.
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17:27.12Lady_Aleenadvs, I used apt-get install, I hope it worked.
17:27.24Lady_AleenaI haven't rebooted yet, so I don't know.
17:27.40dvsapt-get is fine too
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17:28.13Lady_AleenaRight now, I'm trying to copy /etc to my home dir.
17:28.29Lady_Aleenacp -r /etc/ myetc/ isn't working.
17:28.39jerryr u root?
17:28.52Lady_AleenaNo, I will try that next.
17:29.43somiajLady_Aleena: many files in /etc are only readable by root. So you may want to put the backup somewhere else besies $HOME too, maybe /home/etc, or /home/backup/etc, this way you can preserve permissions, and not have it in your users $HOME.
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17:36.22Lady_Aleenasomiaj, thank you.
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17:38.10Lady_AleenaI got it copied and then rsynced to another drive.
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17:40.20Lady_AleenaDo I just copy and paste the lines in section 4.4.1 to get a transcript, or do they need fiddling to be more specific to me?
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17:42.04dvsLady_Aleena, I think they want you do substitute the word "step" with the name of the actual step you're performing.
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17:42.46Lady_AleenaDo you all do that part?
17:43.25dvsI don't
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17:50.06Lady_AleenaWell, I am going to go with greycat's list of commands, and pray it works.
17:50.34han-soloWho would you pray to ?
17:50.43dvsME!
17:50.55dvsand a require pennance!
17:51.24Lady_AleenaI hope to see you on the other side, safe and sane.
17:51.56weedloserone should only pray to the manuals
17:52.45greycathttps://www.flickr.com/photos/mum/70822218
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17:53.03han-soloSafe journey Ms. Lane
17:53.11han-solooh, she's gone :)
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17:53.44han-sologreycat: who's that ?
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17:54.14greycatRichard Stallman as St. Ignutius
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17:56.19han-soloOh, Society of Jesus
17:56.29melpywhat is going on here
17:57.32dvstrouble!
17:57.39han-soloWe're waiting for Lady_Aleena to come back...
17:58.08dvsIF she comes back.  Muhahahaha! :-P
17:58.31han-soloone way or other. Either in rage or pure happiness
17:59.11pyfgcris https://paste.debian.net/ only for debian related code? or can I use it for anything?
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17:59.52guipanHi everybody!
18:00.32han-solopyfgcr: who's stopping you ?
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18:00.44han-solos/who/what/ # :)
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18:01.10pyfgcrhan-solo: I mean, is there any policy stating I shouldn't?
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18:01.50han-solopyfgcr: I'm also waiting for someone to comment :)
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18:06.20melpywell the maintainer is formorer ask him lol
18:06.57melpyaway nevermind
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18:11.07yeplahello
18:11.18yeplai have a little question
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18:11.38yeplai have create a raid1 with lvm for an hard drive
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18:11.53yeplaand i want automount it in /mnt/storage
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18:12.40yeplaand i would like know if i must set 0 or 2 in fstab for pass
18:12.42yepla<pass> fsck reads the <pass> number and determines in which order the file systems should be checked. Possible entries are 0, 1, and 2. The root file system should have the highest priority, 1, all other file systems you want to have checked should get a 2. File systems with a <pass> value 0 will not be checked by the fsck utility.
18:12.52yeplai dont understand quite well what is it ...
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18:13.57greycatwhat part don't you understand?
18:14.20yeplain fact i dont understand if it must be checked or not
18:14.48tecloFederighi said "let's descend into darkness"
18:15.02tecloI thought he was gonna talk about W*ndows but no
18:15.07greycatFile systems get checked when you boot.  That number in the fstab field controls the order.  Root gets checked first.  Everything else gets checked after that.
18:15.08tecloit wasn't a metaphor, actually
18:15.26greycatIf it's not a file system (e.g. it's swap) then you put a 0 there, because it's not a file system, so it does not get checked.
18:15.46greycatI don't know how I describe this any more clearly than the man page.
18:16.01yeplaso in fact i dont understand the world filesystems
18:16.17greycatA file system is a thing that you can mount on a directory.  It has files in it.
18:16.19yeplafilesystem mean file of the system
18:16.30greycatA swap partition, by contrast, is not mounted, and does not contain files.
18:16.45yeplamy hard drive contain data
18:16.54yeplabut does it a filesystem ?
18:17.15masonyepla: A filesystem is how your data is organized.
18:17.16greycatYour hard drive contains (probably) one or more partitions.  Each partition may have a file system in it, or may be used as swap, or may be used as raw database storage, or whatever.
18:17.53greycatThe entries you see in "df" are file systems, even though some of them are virtual (do not have actual disk storage behind them).
18:17.54yeplai still don t know if i must use 0 or 2
18:18.02sorko999yepla if you don't want it checked, then put a 0 there...  some examples: say it's a device that might not always be available (you remove it often) or you're using a FS type that doesn't require fsck'ing, you can put a zero there.
18:18.04greycatIf you're adding a new swap partiton, use 0.
18:18.11greycatIf you're adding a new file system, use 2.
18:18.48yeplai m not using swap
18:19.07greycatWhat are you adding to fstab?
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18:19.43dvsyepla, well, that's your answer: 2.
18:19.46yeplaactually i have add this: /dev/mapper/data--vg-storage /mnt/storage ext4 defaults 0 0
18:20.00greycatext4 is a file system type.  This is a file system.  Use 2.
18:20.03sorko999you want a 2 there
18:20.12yeplaok so i will set 2
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18:20.44yeplai don t know if it s because i have set 0
18:20.49yeplaand reboot
18:20.58greycat0 means it isn't being checked at boot time, which could be bad in the long run
18:21.07yeplabut it created a folder lost+found
18:21.13greycatthat's normal
18:21.28yeplaok
18:22.26yeplaso i will set 2
18:22.32yeplaother little question
18:22.37yeplai have set defaults in fstab
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18:23.00yeplaonly root can write on it ?
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18:23.22greycatthat's controlled by ownerships and permissions within the mounted file system, not fstab options
18:24.23yeplaso if i want user write in it i must chmod 777 /mnt/storage ?
18:24.28greycat!777
18:24.28dpkg777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems".  Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files.  It is VERY WRONG...  learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry.  Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>.
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18:24.55independentchmod +rwx file
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18:25.25EdePopedeyepla: are you the only user?
18:25.39yepla??? actually when i try to write something in /mnt/storage with user i have permission problem
18:25.40greycatThe *simplest* answer would be to chown (change owner) the /mnt/storage directory to your user account, but leave the permissions alone (755 rwxr-wr-x)
18:26.10greycatIf you have more than one user account that needs access, then we can discuss more complicated answers.
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18:26.41greycatdamn, I screwed up that first sentence.  755 rwxr-xr-x
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18:27.03greycatthat's how most directories should be set, unless there is a specific reason to change them
18:27.26dvsgasps at greycat
18:27.29yeplaok i have create storage in /mnt with root in 755
18:27.39greycatthat's AFTER it's mounted, right?
18:28.00yeplapardon ?
18:28.00greycat(or both, before AND after, would also be good at this point)
18:28.12greycatis /mnt/storage mounted right now, or not?
18:28.17yeplayes
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18:28.32greycatOK, then chown youruser /mnt/storage
18:28.44yeplai have first create with root /mnt/storage then mount it
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18:29.46yeplaok so in fact if i chown youruser /mnt/storage before mounting hard drive it will be not validated ?
18:30.10yeplai must first mount the chown to be ok ?
18:30.12greycatthe mounted file system's stuff will overwrite it
18:30.21greycatoverlay is perhaps a better word
18:30.25yeplai must first mount then chown to be ok ?
18:30.28jerryyepla /mnt/storage will be empty until you mount something there
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18:30.50yeplajerry: yes i know
18:31.08jerryso why chown an empty folder?
18:32.48yeplajerry: in my mind /mnt/storage was the main folder mounted or not who have the priority
18:33.15yeplabut like say greycat when you mount it s overlay
18:33.33yeplaand i wasn t know that
18:33.51jerryyepla /mnt/storage is basically just a place holder until you actually mount it with somwething then you'd want chown if needed
18:34.08yeplathanks guys for your time and your answer
18:34.13jerrynp
18:34.17yeplanow i must reboot ;)
18:34.29yeplasee you later
18:34.42jerrylatz
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19:15.01amedhi, i have problems to transfer data from mi xiaomi mi a1 to mi laptop with debian 9.9, somebody?
19:15.13amedproblems with usb
19:16.07Lady_AleenaHello again. The dist-upgrade did not work after the upgrade. Here is what I got back when trying to run dist-upgrade: https://paste.debian.net/1085884/
19:16.09annadaneamed, describe your problems a bit more thoroughly and someone will answer
19:16.40avalchevamed, check /var/log for some messages
19:16.49greycat1.0.1-1+deb8u1 is a jessie-backports package
19:17.41Lady_AleenaSo it did not upgrade with everything else.
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19:17.46amedannadane: ok, it is the problem:When I connect my cell phone to the computer via USB, I can not transfer data; I have Debian 9.9
19:17.50greycatwhat happens if you try to install rdnssd?
19:19.06Lady_Aleenahttps://paste.debian.net/1085885/
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19:20.13greycatyou *really* got into these backports, didn't you
19:20.23Lady_AleenaI guess so.
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19:20.49greycatI don't know nvidia stuff.
19:21.09annadaneamed, okay... any error messages? anything?
19:21.15annadanehow did you try to transfer?
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19:22.26Lady_Aleenagreycat, so am I screwed?
19:22.55avalchevnvidia is a mess :)
19:22.56amedannadane: nothing, on my cell phone: the "use usb for the following" options are not enabled
19:23.08greycatHopefully someone who knows this nvidia stuff will answer, but you want to install whatever libgl* packages are needed.
19:23.18avalchevOn fresh testing install, I can't get nvidia driver working.
19:23.33amedannadane: just charge the current
19:23.51Lady_Aleenagreycat, so just install all the stuff that it says isn't going to be installed?
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19:24.09avalchevamed, did you check USB settings on your phone
19:24.25avalchevtry change them to PTP or something...
19:24.59amedavalchev: in the cellphone i can't change options
19:25.14avalchevYou can :)
19:25.36amedavalchev: i can't this options aren't enable
19:25.39Lady_AleenaDammit! It is a maze of packages that aren't going to be installed!
19:26.04avalchevamed, try search for "android usb connection"
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19:26.28jhutchins_wkWhere is ld.so on stretch?
19:26.45amedavalchev: yes, but I can not install the mtpfs package
19:27.20avalchevamed, my point is that your phone is configure to "charging only", not as connectable device
19:27.26greycatjhutchins_wk: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Feb  6 16:17 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> i386-linux-gnu/ld-2.24.so
19:27.51annadanewants to suggest to just switch to nouveau, purge the nvidia packages, do the upgrade, install nvidia later...
19:27.55annadanebut that may or may not be wise
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19:28.37jhutchins_wkls: cannot access '/lib/ld*': No such file or directory
19:29.07Lady_AleenaSo it looks like I am going to have to put the disk in that I made and do a fresh install, wiping out everything because I had to use a driver that is a little bit off.
19:29.21amedavalchev: the phone does not allow me to change the connection options with the pc, before (I reinstalled the operating system) when I was connecting the cell phone at that moment I could change those options
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19:29.48greycatjhutchins_wk: oh, wait, it's different on pure amd64
19:29.53avalchevamed, unplug your phone from USB, and then try to change it
19:29.57jhutchins_wkAh.
19:30.01greycatlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Feb  6 16:17 /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.24.so
19:30.22greycatwith the other one coexisting if i386 multi-arch is installed
19:30.39jhutchins_wkgreycat: Thanks, didn't thin of lib64.
19:30.49Lady_Aleena782 packages were kept back during apt-get upgrade
19:31.12Lady_AleenaAnd the following kills upgrade now:
19:31.21greycatyou're not expected to get a huge number during the "apt upgrade" part
19:31.26Lady_AleenaN: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
19:31.44greycatthat sounds like a warning to me
19:32.03Lady_AleenaDo I delete the file?
19:32.36greycatyou could move it to /root or something
19:32.43greycatI doubt it's going to make a difference either way
19:33.05LtLLady_Aleena: mv it, then check for held packages, fix those then try again
19:33.43LtLLady_Aleena: # dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$'  .. will tell what's held
19:34.16LtLLady_Aleena: whats 'ucf' sounds familiar?
19:34.28greycat!ucf
19:34.28dpkgucf (Update Configuration File) is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts.  See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information.  See also <ucf confmiss>.
19:34.52LtLthanks greycat
19:35.30Lady_AleenaHow do I start fixing this: https://paste.debian.net/1085887/
19:36.34Lady_Aleenasudo dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$' didn't return anything
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19:39.13Lady_AleenaThis kind of thing is why I am terrified of upgrading.
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19:39.17LtLLady_Aleena: my guess is the 50unattended-upgrades business
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19:39.42greycatyou really think that wasn't just a warning?  even if that's the case, moving the file out of /etc/ should have worked.
19:40.08Lady_AleenaI moved it out of /etc/, but those packages are all not being installed.
19:40.22Lady_AleenaI will try dist-upgrade again.
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19:40.59Lady_AleenaNope, rdnssd still stops dist-upgrade.
19:41.16LtLLady_Aleena: is this a stretch-buster dist-upgrade or jessie-stretch?
19:41.22greycatso when I asked you, what happens when you try to install it...?
19:41.25Lady_Aleenajessie->stretch
19:41.40greycathow the hell did you have a 9u1 backport on jessie?!
19:41.46Lady_Aleenagreycat, I pasted the results earlier.
19:41.56greycaterr sorry, I meant bpo9+1
19:42.14greycat<PROTECTED>
19:42.30greycatthere is nothing about rdnssd in that second paste
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19:42.47chocolatehow can I know what process is from a pid?
19:42.57greycatps -fp YOURPID
19:43.05Lady_AleenaThis was my OLD sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/1085888/
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19:44.36jmcnaught'systemctl status <PID>' works too
19:44.44Lady_AleenaWhen I try to install rdnssd: https://paste.debian.net/1085889/
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19:45.43greycatyou have a stretch-backported libgl something on a nominally jessie box
19:46.21Lady_Aleenagreycat, I did run apt-get upgrade after apt-get update after changing my sources.list to stretch.
19:46.55greycatLady_Aleena: dpkg -l | grep bpo
19:47.33Lady_Aleenahttps://paste.debian.net/1085890/
19:48.10LtLeek
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19:48.21greycatthat is a whole hell of a lot of backports
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19:49.12greycatand yes, you somehow managed to put stretch-backports packages (bpo9) on a jessie box
19:49.32Lady_AleenaI needed the backported version of LibraOffice to get something to work in LO at one time. I remember that.
19:49.48greycaterr, wait, I'm mixing up deb9u* with bpo9* again
19:49.51LtLLady_Aleena: i'm by far no expert but i's do fresh install, that's a mess.
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19:52.18greycatLady_Aleena: I know you talked with jelly a *lot* in the last week or two.  Were you not advised, at some point during that discussion, to remove all backported packages?
19:52.30Lady_AleenaSo shut down my computer after putting in the Debian 9 with KDE disk in and install from that, wiping out everything on the drive.
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19:53.08greycatI'm not saying it needs a full reinstall, necessarily, but you're going to have to straighten out this nvidia mess.
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19:53.22Lady_Aleenagreycat, I don't think backported packages came up, just packages not installed from Debian.
19:53.34LtLIf one needs -that- many backports its time to dist-upgrade a long time ago.
19:53.39greycatAnd it will probably involve removing your backports of ffmpeg, libreoffice, geany, and god knows what else.
19:54.46greycatAnd now I have a much more sympathetic understanding of why aptitude wanted to nuke half your system.
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19:57.52nmschulteI am unable to connect to two A2DP bluetooth audio sinks at the same time.  As well, after disconnecting an A2DP audio sink and reconnecting it, Debian always chooses HSP/HFP audio profile for the device.  If I put the sink in pair mode and choose to [re]connect, Debian chooses the A2DP profile.
19:57.52jhutchins_wkI thought the dpkg system was supposed to handle backports gracefully during an upgrade.  I know there have been issues with dmm packages not being correctly versioned, but backports?
19:58.16nmschulteI'm using blueman and pulseaudio on Debian (Sid, but I've had this issue for years).
19:58.28greycatshe's got backports of about 50 packages, mostly in HUGE suites like libreoffice and geany
19:58.58greycatme, I'd just purge 'em and reinstall afterward
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19:59.17jhutchins_wkAh, I seen now, wrong release backports.
19:59.18greycatit's not like she needs libreoffice during the dist-upgrade
19:59.55dvsI thought the backports repo was supposed to be removed during a version upgrade.
20:00.06jhutchins_wkYeah, make a list, remove 'em, keep the list for future reference.
20:00.45LtLdvs: it's suggested, but i got away with it. probably depends on the bpo's
20:01.00Lady_AleenaWouldn't purging them remove the configs in my $HOME dir?
20:01.04greycatno
20:01.10greycatit only removes /etc configs
20:01.24Lady_AleenaGood thing I have /etc backed up elsewhere just in case.
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20:02.04Lady_AleenaSo sudo apt-get purge libreoffice # first?
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20:03.02somiajdvs: It shoudln't cause problems if it isn't, all versions should be strictly less, ~bpo, than the version one is upgrading too. Though backport packages upgrades are not tested as much, so the backport package upgrades could have issues.
20:03.18dvsok
20:03.42Lady_AleenaTrying it.
20:04.14Lady_AleenaWell that didn't remove everything for libreoffice.
20:04.21Lady_AleenaMight have made it worse now.
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20:04.40greycatI would expect you have to name a bunch of packages, not just one
20:04.53mutantturkeyis there a way to password protect a private repository (using approx?)
20:05.03Lady_AleenaI have to purge each thing on the list individually?
20:05.10mutantturkeyi guess i'm routing it right now with inetd, so maybe via inetd or like, nginx as a pass through
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20:06.07greycatmutantturkey: it's not exactly what you asked for, but you could run the web service only on localhost, and allow/require an ssh tunnel to get to it
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20:06.16dvsWhy won't upgrade -t stretch work?
20:06.18mutantturkeyyeah.
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20:06.23mutantturkeygreycat: not a bad thought.
20:06.45mutantturkeyat that point might as well just hook it into the vpn
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20:09.30mutantturkeyidea here is to separate any building systems from systems that use those packages.
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20:09.49mutantturkeyie -> systems using our internal package can connect to the builders but not the other way around
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20:10.21mutantturkeyi think nginx should work. thanks greycat
20:10.43Lady_AleenaWhat does the rc mean in the first column of https://paste.debian.net/1085892/
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20:11.22dvsLady_Aleena, ii - installed, rc - not installed but config remain.
20:12.33Lady_AleenaCan I use wildcards in apt-get purge?
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20:12.45Lady_AleenaSo apt-get purge libreoffice*
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20:12.49deadromhi
20:12.54deadrom!backports
20:12.54dpkgA backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
20:13.10greycatthat wouldn't catch them all, because you've things like ii  ure                                   5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1 amd64        LibreOffice UNO runtime environment
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20:13.24Lady_Aleenagreycat, but most right?
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20:14.07dvssome of those aren't bpo packages.
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20:16.25Lady_AleenaI'm down to https://paste.debian.net/1085893/
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20:16.55dvsI only see seven backport packages.
20:17.18Lady_AleenaWhich ones?
20:17.44jelly,v libpolkit-agent-1-0
20:17.46juddPackage: libpolkit-agent-1-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.105-15~deb8u2; jessie-security: 0.105-15~deb8u4; stretch: 0.105-18+deb9u1; stretch-security: 0.105-18+deb9u1; buster: 0.105-25; sid: 0.105-25; experimental: 0.116-1
20:18.02dvsgeany libacodec57 libchromaprint1 libreoffice-kde libx265-87 uno-libs3 ure
20:18.03greycatthat matches bpo in the package name, not the version
20:18.12jellythat one's not a backport, it's straight from stretch
20:18.17greycatliBPOlkit
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20:18.35Lady_AleenaHave I been removing the wrong things?
20:18.37greycatshe's in the middle of a jessie->stretch so she has picked up a few stretch packages already
20:18.42jelly(which is typically not a problem for a release upgrade)
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20:19.10mutantturkeywell, what do Debian and Ubuntu do, they just server package lists via a folder and have the webserver do the rest?
20:19.24mutantturkeyah, wait i am totally misunderstanding approx
20:19.43dvsLady_Aleena, Use "dpkg -l | grep ~bpo"
20:19.56mutantturkeyapprox is the local mirror, got it.
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20:20.11Lady_Aleenahttps://paste.debian.net/1085894/
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20:20.30dvsstill wrong
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20:20.53Lady_AleenaWhat is still wrong?
20:21.08dvsIt still lists more than the backported packages
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20:21.54greycatDid you fix the nvidia / libgl* stuff yet?  That was the REAL issue all along.
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20:22.14Lady_Aleenagreycat, I got sidetracked on this bpo stuff.
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20:22.49Lady_AleenaOh, missed the tilde.
20:23.17Lady_Aleenadvs, better? https://paste.debian.net/1085895/
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20:23.29dvsThat's better
20:23.55jhutchins_wkmutantturkey: The repos also have some metadata for the packages.
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20:26.10Lady_AleenaHave anything changed in host /etc/hosts, /etc/sudoers, and /etc/apache2 file are configured between jessie and stretch?
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20:26.22Lady_Aleenas/in host/in how/
20:26.34n_blownapartHi I have debian 9 on a 32bit machine. When in a cafe, I cannot connect to wifi. Whether there is a password or not, my wifi icon is on, in the wifi settings the signal says good, but I cannot get a password dialog or a browser-based protocol. i.e. in Peet's coffee shop, there's no password, but a dialog page normally says "sign in as guest" what-have-you.
20:26.42kskLady_Aleena: read the release notes? I would expect changes in apache2...
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20:27.01greycatno major changes in apache2 for stretch
20:27.12greycatwheezy->jessie was the big killer for apache2
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20:27.18n_blownapartthat dialog page being browser-based*
20:27.59jhutchins_wkdpkg: tell mutantturkey about local mirror
20:28.10Lady_AleenaGive me a minute, I just started crying.
20:28.17jhutchins_wkdpkg: tell mutantturkey about local repository
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20:29.07jhutchins_wkLady_Aleena: No, that's very standard across many years a most distros.
20:30.08jhutchins_wkn_blownapart: They don't have it set up correctly.
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20:34.13Lady_AleenaI need to go afk for a moment.
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20:34.42maxm3232hey guys, I would appreciate if anyone here can help me out. I had Debian wheezy on one of our servers and I upgraded to it Jessie because i figured there is no support out there anymore for Wheezy and I couldn't get sources.list to work when I use apt-get update. I upgraded to  Jessie and used a sources.list I found online and still, apt-get update doesn't work. Is Jessie outdated too?
20:35.16Habbiemaxm3232, show us the sources.list please
20:35.31maxm3232deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main
20:35.31maxm3232deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main
20:35.31maxm3232deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
20:35.31maxm3232deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
20:35.31maxm3232deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main
20:35.43Habbieand how is apt-get update failing? please use a pastebin
20:35.51greycatwait til he gets back...
20:35.56Habbieoh haha
20:36.14dvsHabbie, troublemaker! ;-P
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20:38.48LtLmaxm3232: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ <version> main non-free contrib
20:38.59greycat!jessie sources.list
20:39.00dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
20:39.05maxm3232Thats my sources.list: https://pastebin.com/RyhH3Dim
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20:39.22maxm3232ok i try that, thanks
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20:41.46maxm3232!wheezy sources.list
20:41.46dpkgDebian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list».
20:42.08maxm3232and with that line I get everything I need for wheezy?
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20:43.48maxm3232I get this error message if I try it (with eheezy on another server): https://pastebin.com/v3t3tvAW
20:44.36LtLmaxm3232: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib   read!
20:44.50dvsdpkg just said that
20:44.50dpkgwish i knew, dvs
20:44.57dvsgrrrr
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20:45.18LtLdvs: indeed but maxm3232 didn't read it.
20:45.34jhutchins_wkI thought jessie had moved to archive?
20:45.43maxm3232I read it but I didn't quite understand it, thanks
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20:46.12greycatjessie isn't archived yet, but its backports are
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20:48.39maxm3232I still get this error message after I type apt-get update: https://pastebin.com/hFFanFTL
20:48.47jhutchins_wkIs there a factoid about creating your own local mirror?
20:48.48maxm3232my sources.list looks like this now: https://pastebin.com/bitP2tLE
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20:49.34maxm3232I guess he tries to access wheezy-backports but it's not in sources.list, but I didn't find it in the archive either
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20:49.44dvsmaxm3232, why do you have two lines that are almost identical.  You only need the second line
20:50.03jmcnaughtmaxm3232: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for additional .list files
20:50.16dvsmaxm3232, also, you probably have files in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory
20:51.12maxm3232should I delete the lines in wheezy-backports.list?
20:51.19maxm3232no risk he won't download something I will need?
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20:51.27Lady_AleenaHow soon will Buster be the new stable?
20:51.34jmcnaughtmaxm3232: also just in case it wasn't clear, you won't get any new updates for wheezy at all security or otherwise.  The archive is read-only.
20:51.46maxm3232ah I see
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20:52.02dvsLady_Aleena, I give it two months at most.
20:52.09dvsBut who knows?
20:52.10Lady_AleenaI am thinking that if I end having to nuke my system, I might as well get ahead a little this time instead of being behind.
20:52.11crestfallenjhutchins: sorry I was disconnected. now I can't connect even to a network that is stored .. something is up. any suggestions appreciated
20:52.34dvsLady_Aleena, Nuke? Why? What isn't working?
20:52.36EdePopedeuh, down to 102 releas-critical bugs. were 116, and 106 yesterday
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20:53.14Lady_Aleenadvs, I am now so confused by all the problems that are stacking up, I don't know what is what now.
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20:53.31jmcnaughtLady_Aleena: what does "apt-get dist-upgrade" do now?
20:54.05Lady_Aleenahttps://paste.debian.net/1085899/
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20:54.54Lady_AleenaAnd trying to install rdnssd: https://paste.debian.net/1085900/
20:56.08crestfallencorrection jhutchins. I am connected to my wifi at uc berkeley. I'm chatting from another machine since now it seems my hexchat is malfunctioning after my initial successful send earlier.
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20:57.46dvsLady_Aleena, so what does apt-cache policy rdnssd say?
20:58.04Lady_AleenaAnd sudo apt-get upgrade: https://paste.debian.net/1085901/
20:58.57greycatjust pick one of the packages that it can't upgrade, focus on it, figure out what it wants, fix it, and repeat
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20:58.57Lady_Aleenaapt-cache policy rdnssd: https://paste.debian.net/1085902/
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21:00.51greycatI am still stumped by  libgl1 : Depends: libglx0 (= 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1)
21:01.03crestfallenany suggestions for a chat client aside from hexchat? I'm having troubles after reinstalling hexchat
21:01.16greycatirssi and weechat are very popular
21:01.21dvsso systemd needs a version less than 1.0.1-5? Why is systemd asking for that?
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21:01.54dvsLady_Aleena, and you did an apt-get update?
21:02.44maxm3232Can I ask questions here about apache2 on my debian server? Or is this the wrong channel?
21:02.52greycatThis is the right channel.
21:03.17jmcnaught,v libglx0
21:03.18juddPackage: libglx0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.0-1; sid: 1.1.0-1
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21:04.12greycat,v libgl1
21:04.13juddPackage: libgl1 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.0-1; sid: 1.1.0-1
21:04.18Lady_Aleenadvs, yes I linked the resuls above.
21:04.25greycatsee, I have no idea what libgl1 and libglx0 are
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21:04.34dvsLady_Aleena, which paste?
21:04.46Lady_AleenaAnd sudo apt-get upgrade: https://paste.debian.net/1085901/
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21:05.20Lady_AleenaThat is after an apt-get update... (Did you want the update or the upgrade?)
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21:05.34dvsupdate
21:06.13Lady_Aleenadvs, that went fine, no errors.
21:06.52jmcnaughtmaybe comment out stretch-backports in sources.list, apt-get update again, then try apt-get dist-upgrade
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21:07.44maxm3232Alright, I upgraded wheezy to jessie yesterday, and I spent a lot of time in troubleshooting so that the apache2 service runs again. It works, it runs, but all my websites are not working, I get a 503 error message on the sites
21:08.03greycatcheck the error.log first
21:08.16dvsOh? stretch-backports is in the sources.list still? comment that out for now.
21:08.18Tom-_Lady_Aleena, please do not be alarmed, this is not as bad as it looks, i promise we can fix this
21:08.35Tom-_i'm good at sorting out apt nightmares anyway
21:08.37Lady_AleenaStill getting 712 packages not installed.
21:08.44greycatyou should definitely *not* have stretch-backports active during a jessie->stretch upgrade
21:08.59jmcnaughtOh I see, in stretch libgl1 is a virtual package provided by libgl1-mesa-glx
21:09.01dvsLady_Aleena, comment out stretch-backports in the sources.list
21:09.16Tom-_Lady_Aleena, after commenting out, and saving it, run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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21:09.32Lady_AleenaI did comment out stretch backports before running an update and upgrade again.
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21:10.03jmcnaughtwhat does dist-upgrade do now, anything different?
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21:10.31Lady_Aleenajmcnaught, the same as before, the rdnssd problem persists.
21:10.38Tom-_Lady_Aleena, is this the output here? https://paste.debian.net/1085901/
21:10.44maxm3232I checked the errorlog, wasnt very useful to me, Ill post it here
21:11.00jmcnaughtLady_Aleena: what does "apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx" say?
21:11.00crestfallenthanks greycat I've tried irssi before. rather complicated but I'm giving it anudder shot
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21:11.08Lady_AleenaHold please!
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21:11.47Lady_AleenaI am now getting somewhere with installing rdnssd, but before I do that, I would like to show you what came up.
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21:12.48Lady_AleenaThis is what came up now when I try to install rdnssd: https://paste.debian.net/1085905/
21:13.21Tom-_why does it say suag there?
21:13.46dvsLady_Aleena, Well, that's progress
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21:14.32Tom-_it's trying to switch to sysvinit-core
21:14.45Tom-_it looks like the main conflict is systemd-sysv vs sysvinit-core
21:15.20dvsOh? kill systemd-sysv :->
21:15.20jmcnaughtit wants to remove apache2 and KDE as well… wth is going on here?
21:15.29jcb2016wow look at all those packages and stuff needed to be removed
21:15.41jcb2016Lady_Aleena, when is the last time you update this system?
21:16.28jmcnaughtjcb2016: this is in the middle of a jessie→stretch upgrade that ran into some hiccups
21:16.36jcb2016aw
21:17.36maxm3232thats my error log for apache2: https://pastebin.com/7w7bUaBS
21:17.52Lady_AleenaTom-_, suag is my alias for sudo apt-get install (getting suag/swag).
21:17.56maxm3232I already googled the messages but most people say that's just warnings I can ignore
21:18.21tdsmaxm3232: the useful part of those lines appears to be cut off
21:18.23jmcnaughtmaxm3232: those error log lines all look truncated
21:18.33maxm3232oh, im so sorry
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21:18.56Tom-_Lady_Aleena, okay, i just wanted to make sure.  have you tried anything since or should we try to help you where you are?
21:18.57greycatthey all appear to have AH00094 which I'm guessing can be googled but I haven't yet
21:18.58Lady_Aleenajcb2016, I updated it almost every time I thought about upgrading to stretch.
21:19.22jcb2016got it
21:19.52Lady_AleenaSo, do I just nuke at this point or continue trying to dist-upgrade?
21:19.59Tom-_definitely don't nuke it
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21:20.12Tom-_i (and others) can help you debug this
21:20.21Tom-_i'm trying to find out if you need rdnssd
21:20.39Lady_AleenaTom-_, there is so much to debug, and I've already taken up several hours of their time already.
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21:20.54dvsLady_Aleena, apt-get upgrade shows that it's willing to upgrade packages.
21:20.58Tom-_please continue to take up my time, i need to know what is going on
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21:21.48Tom-_Lady_Aleena, out of curiosity, can you paste the output of apt-get remove rdnssd , but say no, to paste.debian.net?
21:21.51Lady_AleenaI aborted the rdnssd install since it looks like it wants to remove everything.
21:21.59maxm3232thats my error log for apache2: https://pastebin.com/v67SK4Ws
21:22.01jmcnaughtgood call
21:22.28Tom-_it looks like a package conflict to do with a package systemd depends on
21:22.30maxm3232but I guess it's useless
21:22.35crestfallenso if I have internet but both clients hexchat and irssi are "Not connected to server" after the irssi  " /SERVER /ADD -auto -network Freenode irc.freenode.net " command , what does that tell me ?
21:22.35jmcnaughtmaxm3232: do you have apache configured with virtualhosts that each have their own error logs?
21:22.47Tom-_i've been trying to install things without systemd so i get the feeling it is like this
21:23.04maxm3232to be honest, I have no idea
21:23.18Lady_Aleenaapt-get remove rdnssd: https://paste.debian.net/1085909/
21:23.45Tom-_okay, maybe just remove rdnssd and try dist-upgrade again
21:24.23LtLLady_Aleena: i'd do it, then update/upgrade dist-upgrade
21:24.24dvsno, just upgraee
21:25.06crestfallenthe irssi instructions say to /CONNECT Freenode and /JOIN #irssi before "/SERVER ADD -auto -network Freenode irc.freenode.net"    Is that correct?
21:25.33Habbiecrestfallen, that looks backwards to me
21:25.35crestfallensomething's up, since hexchat suddenly stopped working as well. but I have internet
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21:25.47maxm3232I need to check on /sites-available  if there is a conf, and then I know if apache is configured with virtualhosts that each have their own errorlog?
21:25.50crestfallen:/
21:26.02humpledbut how are you here?
21:26.09Tom-_dvs, but upgrade as she is now removes most of the system she needs
21:26.09LtLcrestfallen: irssi.org will explain all that you need for freenode among others
21:26.10crestfallendifferent machine
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21:26.42humpledsame LAN?
21:26.58jmcnaughtmaxm3232: the Debian way to configure Apache is to make separate files in /etc/apache2/sites-available each with a VirtualHost defined, and then use the a2ensite command to enable the site (which symlinks to ../sites-enabled)
21:27.18crestfallenLtL bloody complicate
21:27.19crestfallend
21:27.26Tom-_rdnssd autoconfigures recursive DNS servers on IPv6 networks  <-- i don't think she needs this package at the moment, certainly nothing is depending on it
21:27.30jmcnaughtmaxm3232: but users of course are free to just put all of their VirtualHost definitions into /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
21:27.40maxm3232yeah I think I have, let me check
21:27.44LtLcrestfallen: irssi.org will make it easy, trust me.
21:27.52maxm3232so I just need to check the error logs from the virtual hosts now?
21:28.05Lady_AleenaI still have 688 packages that are being kept back in apt-get upgrade.
21:28.18Tom-_can you show us the output of dist-upgrade?
21:28.18tdsjmcnaught: `apache2ctl -S` will quickly get you a full list of virtualhosts and where their configs are
21:28.25Lady_AleenaThe only thing it is upgrapding is tzdata.
21:28.27bs0dHi all. I was surprised to see that bison version in apt is 3.0, while the current one is 3.4. Could anyone please confirm that it is indeed 3.0, and it is not the case that my system is outdated?
21:28.28maxm3232jmcaught: https://pastebin.com/SgJX9ahB
21:28.36maxm3232where would I have to search for the error log?
21:28.46LtLLady_Aleena: try a apt-get full-upgrade
21:29.01tdsprobably /var/log/apache2/sendyerrorlogs.log
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21:29.12crestfallenLtL thanks but I think something's wrong because my initial query was successful with hexchat, then it suddenly disconnected. I removed it and installed irssi and now I can't connect
21:29.15Lady_AleenaLtL, "full-upgrade" or "dist-upgrade"?
21:29.39LtLLady_Aleena: use full-upgrade first
21:29.54Lady_AleenaInvalid operation
21:30.02LtLget those packages in a up-gradeable state.
21:30.53Tom-_it says invalid operation when you say apt-get full-upgrade ?
21:30.58Lady_AleenaHere is the latest result of dist-upgrade: https://paste.debian.net/1085910/
21:31.24LtLLady_Aleena: nwevermind, it'd be apt full-upgrade but its synonymous with dist-upgrade i believe
21:31.35Tom-_Lady_Aleena, i think that output is exactly what you want
21:31.41Lady_AleenaHOld on. Let me say now and close chromium.
21:32.13Lady_AleenaIt looks like it doesn't want to upgrade chromium.
21:32.13crestfallenalso LtL while in a cafe, I cannot cannot to wifi. this is also a new problem. so I think something in my debian9 is amiss
21:32.24Tom-_yeah i would just try upgrading chromium later
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21:32.40LtLLady_Aleena: methinks Tom-_ is right go with that last paste.
21:32.41Lady_AleenaShould I say y(es) now?
21:32.47LtLy
21:33.00Tom-_so after this dist-upgrade is done you may need to install:  task-kde-desktop vlc-plugin-pulse chromium geany
21:33.06Lady_Aleenatwiddles a pen.
21:33.07Tom-_yes it's perfect go
21:33.23Tom-_just some old libraries are being removed
21:33.35Tom-_mostly
21:33.49Lady_AleenaYou have no idea how much I will have to reinstall. I have to get geany, libreoffice, and other things. I just hope cpan still works as expected.
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21:34.15Tom-_i would make a to-install list in a file or on paper, please include everything you and I have just listed
21:34.16Lady_AleenaIf I don't have music, you WILL be hearing from me.
21:34.53crestfallenI'm getting "Irssi: warning SSL handshake failed: Connection timed out " LtL
21:34.59LtLcrestfallen: run # systemctl restart networking.service
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21:35.14crestfallensweet thanks
21:35.24Tom-_i think you don't need to reinstall the vlc-plugin-pulse, i assume it's built in to the package now what with the popularity of pulseaudio
21:35.37maxm3232There is sendyerrorlogs.log.1 and sendyerrorlogs.log, sendyerrorslogs.log is empty, and in .1 I found this: https://pastebin.com/GxtZUYNH
21:35.42Lady_AleenaIt is still getting things.
21:35.54Tom-_and also i notice this problem seems to have something to do with systemd or init compatibility because when we remove rdnssd it stopped trying to install sysvinnit-core
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21:36.36Tom-_Lady_Aleena, yep, this may take a while.  i think everything should be fine, and even if it's not perfect it'll be 50 times easier to fix than to reinstall
21:36.45maxm3232Not sure it's the correct error log, I restarted apache2 a lot the last days, not only on June 1
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21:37.16spectiehey all
21:37.26maxm3232I didn't even upgrade the server on that day, forget it, it must be the wrong file
21:37.28spectieis there a way to add targets for rust with the rust debian packages without using rustup ?
21:37.31tdsmaxm3232: none of those shows 503s
21:37.43crestfallenLtL very sorry same problem
21:37.46LtLLady_Aleena: it's bound to be busy awhile, i think you're on the right track tho'
21:38.13maxm3232sorry I search the correct log
21:38.15LtLcrestfallen: 'ip a'  shows your wifi UP?
21:38.16spectieor is there a specific rust on debian channel i can ask in ?
21:38.35tdsmaxm3232: I noticed that apache wasn't listening on the standard port in the vhost you posted - are you testing this connecting directly to apache? might you be connecting to a reverse proxy sitting in front of apache generating a 503 because apache itself is down?
21:38.44bs0dhttps://packages.debian.org/stretch/bison this page indeed shows outdated bison. How can I install the version at least 3.2?
21:39.02Tom-_spectie, there is a #debian-rust and other rust channels on OFTC, and some on freenode
21:39.16tdsbs0d: wait for buster :)
21:39.32Lady_AleenaEVERYONE! Thank you for hanging in there while I have been working this. (I would ping everyone involved, but the list of usernames may get me banned from freenode.)
21:39.45bs0dtds buster?
21:39.51LtLLady_Aleena: success?
21:39.54crestfallenweirdest message ever from ip a . but craigslist works!
21:39.57crestfallenLtL
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21:40.07dvsLady_Aleena, money is fine! ;-)
21:40.08Tom-_it's useful infoirmation to me.  i'm  not a debian developer (or even a primary user) but i do want to see Linux help everyone
21:40.22Lady_AleenaAnd I hope that I have not worn out my welcome here. I will let everyone know what happened, one way or another, after the dist-upgrade completes and I reboot.
21:40.36dvsLady_Aleena, see? it was just a few trouble packages.
21:40.38Tom-_i'd reinstall everything on your reintall list before you reboot
21:40.40tdsbs0d: the current testing distro, but due to be stable soonish maybe
21:40.59dvsTom-_, good point
21:41.03LtLcrestfallen: do not paste here, use a pastebin. i have to go for a bit anyway.
21:41.15maxm3232tds, to be quite honest, I don't know, I never had someting to do with apache2, I was just asked to fix this. It worked for more than a year and then after it got upgraded to Jessie it didn't owrk anymore
21:41.37crestfallenLtL ok I'll paste it thanks
21:41.44Lady_Aleena,v libreoffice
21:41.45juddPackage: libreoffice on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u12; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u5; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.5-3; sid: 1:6.1.5-3; experimental: 1:6.3.0~beta1-2
21:42.04tdsmaxm3232: can you pastebin the output of `apache2ctl -S`?
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21:42.26Lady_AleenaI can msg dpkg to not bother the channel but not judd?
21:42.36maxm3232tds: https://pastebin.com/VxMW7yEM
21:43.07tdsmaxm3232: there's a bunch of vhosts there, which one is actually broken? or all of them?
21:43.14Lady_AleenaBe back in a few minutes.
21:44.09maxm3232How can I check that?
21:44.24tdshow are you testing this in the first place to get a 503?
21:44.36maxm3232I'm trying to reach the site
21:45.05maxm3232should I just post the site address here?
21:45.07tdswhat is "the site"? there are at least 8 sites configured on that server!
21:46.20maxm3232Well a lot of sites run on the server, these one: https://pastebin.com/0XS0kk3S
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21:46.37crestfallenLtL    paste.ee/p/9sG$K
21:47.06crestfallencorrection LtL  paste.ee/p/9sG4K
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21:49.41tdsmaxm3232: I'd expect that to be hitting the vhost on line 2 of 000-default.conf, so check that config, see where the error log is for that vhost
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21:50.23crestfallenor anyone who'd like to look   paste.ee/p/9sG4K
21:50.34tdsmaxm3232: something also doesn't seem right there, since that webserver is happily talking https on port 443, while that's not included in the apache config
21:50.55crestfallen[I have internet but my two irc clients won't connect.]
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21:51.29Doti<crestfallen> how u connecting right now
21:52.02Psi-JackI suspect... magic carpet. But who's this "u" you speak to?
21:52.19crestfallenI'm on a different machine
21:52.23crestfallenDoti ^
21:53.37crestfallenit's strange
21:53.46Doticrestfallen what it say when u try to connect
21:53.51tdsmaxm3232: that webserver also claims to be running Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) - that sounds more like wheezy than jessie, so maybe your upgrade didn't complete, or there's another apache sitting in front of yours as a reverse proxy?
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21:53.57tds(the second option seems likely to me)
21:54.05maxm3232yes, that seems more likely
21:54.30crestfallenIrssi: not connected to server    Doti
21:54.34maxm3232the error log is empty btw, there are a bunch of gzs with error logs but they are all pretty old
21:54.35tdsi'd check to see if your webserver is running at all then, just testing with curl on the host itself is probably a good start
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21:55.03crestfallenthanks a lot Doti I need to step away.
21:55.54maxm3232tds: couldnt I just try to complete the upgrade?
21:56.32tdsmaxm3232: to start with, what version of apache is this server actually running?
21:57.05maxm3232Server version: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian)
21:57.41tdsok, so the server you were connecting to and getting 503s from appears to be completely separate and on an older version of apache
21:58.47maxm3232So I would have to upgrade the server he tries to connect to too?
21:59.00tdswell you should, but that's not the immediate issue
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21:59.01maxm3232or at least upgrade apache?
21:59.10tdsit'll be returning 503s because it's failing to connect to the webserver you upgraded
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21:59.36tdsso actually test the box you're connected to, and see what's going on, checking if apache is even running would be a good start
22:01.06maxm3232apache is running on the server i guess
22:01.07maxm3232https://0bin.net/paste/MnAccSD9b7cehOGe#ApCdC4VjQqDaUjwbDr8xBOzGZydGfWpYlrVKM+A1W8Z
22:01.14maxm3232cant use pastebin anymore lol
22:02.05tdsdo you have access to the reverse proxy? being able to see what it's actually trying to connect to would probably be useful
22:02.55Lady_Aleenadist-upgrade better not touch $HOME/perl5/lib/perl5
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22:03.30maxm3232tds: I think so, is there any way to find out the server address?
22:03.31Tom-_nothing touches anything under ~ after the directory is created by adduser/useradd
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22:03.58Tom-_not a debian process, none that i know of anyway
22:03.58tdsmaxm3232: `host firewall.junior-comtec.hg.tu-darmstadt.de` will get you the IP
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22:06.55Schwarzbaer_Hi. I just upgraded according to https://linuxconfig.org/check-what-debian-version-you-are-running-on-your-linux-system and everything went swimmingly, according to the checks at the end I'm on 9.9, but my python3 --version is 3.5.3; That seems QUITE old to me. Is that intended? Where can I look up the current versions in stable and testing?
22:07.08maxm3232tds: What should I do if I'm on the server? Or how can I check if I'm on the right one where the reverse proxy is?
22:07.37tdsread the webserver config, apache2ctl -S might be a good starting point again
22:07.57tdsalso, this conversation should probably be in #httpd at this point
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22:08.44jmcnaughtSchwarzbaer_: Debian 9 comes with Python 3.5.  Also you cannot install testing packages on a stable system.
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22:10.17Tom-_well you and like 100 million other people find packages in Debian stable too old.  you can try a newer debian (less secure) or backports (apparently less tested) or build yourself or maybe some other APT source (frankendebian?)
22:10.24Tom-_Schwarzbaer_, I meant that to you
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22:12.20Schwarzbaer_Thanks. I think I'll just try upgrading to buster. Python3 isn't the only thing holding me back, Mesa is as well.
22:12.26maxm3232tds: could it be on this server? got this wen I typed apache2ctl -S: https://0bin.net/paste/hXWwWEu69DXhXCz1#5bhUH2RcnNwRhiZ4gEsLs0ck28F+zrxQSPgxL+JaZr3
22:13.00tdscould be, it's your infrastructure, you should know ;)
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22:14.39maxm3232I guess so :'D I would have to ask someone else, and I might come back tomorrow, nevertheless thanks so much for everyone here for helping me and others
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22:15.31tdsit this is for work, you should definitely find someone more familiar with their infrastructure, or see if there's internal documentation
22:15.48tdsor get good at digging through undocumented boxes and figuring out what they're doing and how they work :)
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22:16.53maxm3232Nothing is documented and the people who implemented it are all gone, atm I'm trying to find someone who is more familiar with debian in general, but till then I have to deal with this lol but thanks!
22:17.25tdsah, the latter option then :D
22:17.44tdsand it sounds like you've discovered another wheezy box to upgrade in the process of diagnosing this one
22:19.16maxm3232yes but a lot of important stuff is running on that one, I won't try to upgrade it, at least not alone
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22:20.43Schwarzbaer_...and I encountered an error during upgrade. What log does this refer to? http://dpaste.com/3E8FTA9
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22:21.27Tom-_i don't know what appstream is
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22:22.12Tom-_part of GNOME or depended on by gnome apparently
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22:28.55Lady_AleenaSon of a B****! My graphics card is causing problems now. How can I run this computer without the nvidia driver? The Nouveau drivers don't work with my card.
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22:29.41Tom-_well just vesa or fbdev drivers will work, but let's try to fix the nvidia driver
22:30.29Lady_AleenaI am being asked if I want to install the nvidia driver even thought, supposedly, my graphics card is unsupported.
22:31.09Lady_AleenaSo, do I want to install the nvidia driver just in case?
22:31.12Tom-_you can install the nvidia-detect package after the upgrade is over and follow its instructions
22:31.34Tom-_i'd like to see a screen paste
22:31.45Tom-_i guess i'd say no, i think i tried that before on another computer
22:32.27Lady_AleenaLEt's hope that I can see my screen upon reboot.
22:32.59Lady_AleenaAnd I got an error and dist-upgrade quit.
22:33.22Lady_AleenaI guess I should have said yes.
22:33.32Lady_Aleenahttps://paste.debian.net/1085914/
22:33.53Tom-_let me look at it
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22:34.33Lady_AleenaHere it is, a little more complete: https://paste.debian.net/1085915/
22:35.00Tom-_wonders what you're supposed to do
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22:35.31Tom-_Lady_Aleena, maybe we should just install the appropriate nvidia driver right now, what do you say?  if so, apt-get install nvidia-detect
22:35.47Tom-_and then resume the dist-upgrade
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22:36.26Lady_AleenaAnd that had errors: https://paste.debian.net/1085916/
22:36.34kevinnnhi all, can anyone tell me how to tell if a certain network device (like eth0) is an ethernet device or a wireless device?
22:36.58Tom-_Lady_Aleena, okay let's try to finish the dist-upgrade.  please run dpkg --configure -a and answer any questions...
22:37.07indomitableso what's the best replacement for docker?
22:37.13indomitablesince it's now 100% insecure
22:37.15kevinnnfor example I can tell if a network device is wireless depending on whether or not /sys/class/net/<device>/wireless exists
22:37.29Tom-_kevinnn, i think wireless devices are wlan0 and not eth0
22:37.41Tom-_in the old network card naming scheme (pre-systemd?)
22:37.51kevinnnTom-_ that is not always the case
22:37.54Lady_AleenaTom-_, what does that do, resume dist-upgrade?
22:38.07kevinnnyou cannot tell simply based on the name of the card
22:38.25Tom-_Lady_Aleena, dpkg --configure -a configures any partially installed packages, it's designed to help you finish the dist-upgrade ... someties it will just tell you to do that anyway
22:39.20Tom-_kevinnn, i've heard your question before but i don't remember the answer, i'd just web search it
22:39.41Tom-_dpkg, what's my wireless
22:39.41dpkgInstall the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>.  See also <wireless>.
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22:44.04Lady_AleenaErrors were encountered while processing: https://paste.debian.net/1085918/
22:45.46Tom-_okay rerun apt-get upgrade now
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22:46.34Lady_Aleenahttps://paste.debian.net/1085919/
22:47.12Lady_AleenaSo follow directions and run apt-get install -f?
22:47.22Lady_AleenaOr apt-get -f install?
22:47.46Tom-_sure
22:48.10Tom-_i haven't met an apt problem i couldn't figure my way out of for a very long time, don't worry
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22:50.10Lady_AleenaI'm surprised no one else is getting tired of this.
22:50.22Lady_AleenaAnd now apt-get upgrade again?
22:50.34Tom-_sure
22:50.53Tom-_if we Debian bigots got tired of technical tediousness i don't think Debian would exist
22:51.01Tom-_selection bias
22:51.58Lady_AleenaI hope someone from the Buster development team has been watching this to see the trouble I'm having with something that should have been simple.
22:52.39Tom-_i think there's not exactly a team, just Debian developers, but i feel you
22:53.32Tom-_i think the rdnssd-related bug and the nvidia-legacy-check erroring just because you say no maybe doesn't work
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22:54.33Lady_AleenaShould I run dist-upgrade again because upgrade had like 300+ packages it was holding back?
22:56.04Tom-_yep
22:56.18Tom-_i should have said dist-upgrade the last two times i said upgrade, but it doesn't harm anything
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22:56.42Schwarzbaer_Tom-_, from #gnome: "looks like the warning are from debian specific data, i'd try asking in a debian channel"
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22:57.10Tom-_Schwarzbaer_, ah crap sorry, i didn't know you'd go in a #gnome channel :)
22:57.11Lady_Aleenatries to relax.
22:57.31Tom-_Schwarzbaer_, i can try to help you after a while
22:57.53Tom-_Lady_Aleena, you should relax, everything should be good
22:58.06Lady_AleenaTom-_, I always expect the worst.
22:58.23Tom-_thinks of Windows 98 and philosophises
22:58.24Schwarzbaer_Thanks. I do have a bit of time.
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22:59.08Tom-_Schwarzbaer_, you can try upgrading anyway and just ignoring the appstream error
22:59.13Lady_AleenaThis time I said yes about the video driver, and so far so good.
22:59.15Tom-_i don't think it does much
22:59.41Tom-_Lady_Aleena, remember to add nvidia-detect to the list of packages you should install after the dist-upgrade completes its run
22:59.47Schwarzbaer_Tom-_, will do.
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23:04.06Lady_AleenaMy list so far: LibreOffice, Geany, InkScape, nVidia-detect, and chromium. Can you remember anything else?
23:05.31Tom-_no.  double check that audio works in VLC, if you use VLC, afterwards
23:06.00Lady_AleenaThat is on my list to check (after reboot?).
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23:07.52Tom-_sure
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23:08.30Tom-_it's possible you could file a bug report on nvidia-legacy-check
23:08.46Tom-_say that it makes no sense to interrupt the install if you say no, seeing as you're just doing what it tells you to
23:09.09Tom-_i'm just trying to follow up  your thought on hoping the debian developers are watching
23:09.33Tom-_Lady_Aleena, task-kde-desktop should be on your list
23:12.47Lady_AleenaTo check or install?
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23:13.24Tom-_install.  i'd just put all of those packages in one line after your dist-upgrade is done, apt-get install task-kde-desktop chromium etc
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23:18.56Lady_AleenaSo, before I run the installation of these six packages, should I run either upgrade or dist-upgrade again just to be safe?
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23:19.56Tom-_sure! :)
23:20.39Tom-_also after you install nvidia-detect, please run nvidia-detect and follow its instructions.  this should get 3D working on your video card
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23:23.12Lady_AleenaShould I do autoremove?
23:23.39Lady_Aleenadoes it.
23:23.47Tom-_probably
23:25.03Lady_AleenaOh good guh! What is lightdm and sddm?
23:25.13Tom-_new graphical login managers
23:25.20Lady_AleenaWhich do I want?
23:25.25Tom-_i haven't sddm.  do you have kdm?
23:25.32Lady_AleenaYes
23:25.37dvssddm then
23:25.43dvsIt's the new login window
23:26.00Tom-_maybe go with sddm
23:26.13Lady_AleenaI hope I can change it later if I don't like it.
23:26.20Tom-_you can! :)
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23:29.38Lady_AleenaI'm going to try installing nvidia-detect by itself since I had trouble the last time.
23:29.45Tom-_ok
23:30.48Tom-_i think i was in error to make that suggestion the last time, but you can do it that way if you want to :)  It's a free operating system, and i hope you're in a free country :^)
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23:30.53Tom-_i hardly ever use that emoticon
23:31.25Lady_AleenaI don't see emoticons, just characters strung together in hexchat.
23:35.20Lady_AleenaI keep seeing the following crop up and don't know why or what firmware it is looking for: https://paste.debian.net/1085922/
23:36.19Tom-_me neither.  you said you needed no firmware at the beginning right?  if you got your computer working before, you probably don't need this tg3 thing
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23:36.50Lady_AleenaI don't even know where it came from.
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23:38.02jmcnaughtIt's for an ethernet card, the firmware files are in the firmware-misc-nonfree package
23:38.27jmcnaughtIf ethernet already works then the firmware probably just enables some extra features.
23:38.46Lady_AleenaWhat should have taken an hour, maybe an hour and a half, has taken nearly 8 hours and the patience of so many saintly people in here.
23:39.11Lady_AleenaToday has made me love the Debian community more.
23:39.17Tom-_and me!
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23:40.03Lady_AleenaTom-_, you have repaid me in full today, and then some, for my little bit of help on your website.
23:40.18Tom-_no problem
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23:41.04Lady_Aleena,v geany
23:41.05juddPackage: geany on amd64 -- jessie: 1.24.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 1.29-1; buster: 1.33-1; sid: 1.34.1-1
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23:47.08Lady_AleenaNow, apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade, and autoremove all return "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." so, should I reboot? If yes, are you ready for my complete pms-fueled mental break down when something doesn't work as expect?
23:47.36Lady_Aleenas/expect/expected/;
23:48.27jmcnaughtLady_Aleena: did you reinstall those packages you were mentioning earlier?
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23:49.29Tom-_yeah that
23:49.52Tom-_i think i'd like to make sure you have a kernel installed too, apt-get install linux-image-amd64
23:50.22jmcnaughtand task-kde-desktop which should pull in a display manager
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23:54.24Lady_Aleenatask-kde-desktop was already on the latest version when I went to install it; nvidia-detect has been installed and run and directions followed from its results; chromium was installed with a rerun of dist-upgrade; libreoffice, geany (and geany-plugins), and inkscape were all installed as well.
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23:55.21Tom-_can you please run apt-get install linux-image-amd64 and if that works i would say reboot
23:55.24Lady_AleenaAnd I am going to put my spaghetti sauce together before I do anything else.
23:55.30Tom-_okay
23:55.38Lady_AleenaIn about 10 minutes.
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