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| 00:15.05 | annadane | do i *want* the backported needrestart for extrmely casual use? |
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| 00:25.34 | LtL | no |
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| 00:29.03 | LtL | annadane: you'll have it with buster, backporting is a good way to mess up a dist-upgrade. ymmv |
| 00:29.52 | annadane | not backports in general, they should be upgraded fine if you just remove it from sources.list |
| 00:30.01 | LtL | the stable version works fine. |
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| 00:32.24 | LtL | i've dist-upgraded w/backports in sources.list even though it's not recommended, it's the installed backport packages that mess with release upgrades, most are so, just don't overdue it. |
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| 00:34.10 | LtL | when buster is released it'sbackports repo will likely be empty. |
| 00:34.31 | LtL | if it even exists at that time |
| 00:35.19 | LtL | i'll wait for the release notes myself. |
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| 00:40.04 | ksk | hey. How would I find out how the works to patch against this https://github.com/numirias/security/blob/master/doc/2019-06-04_ace-vim-neovim.md (vim arbirary code execution) gets fixed in debian? did not see a CVE assigned for this, nor is there a bug for the vim package (if I didnt fail to look that up correctly..) |
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| 00:45.23 | annadane | let me link you |
| 00:46.02 | annadane | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/bwzmwm/major_security_vulnerability_in_vim_anyone_know/eq25sej/ "Debian ships vim with modelines disabled by default due to security concerns. Unless you explicitly enabled them again you are not affected." |
| 00:46.44 | ksk | mhhm. |
| 00:47.10 | annadane | the debian subreddit is a fairly good place to check for all the "is this package patched yet?????" |
| 00:47.40 | ksk | its then btw, still not patched in debian? ;) |
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| 00:50.45 | Unit193 | I thought https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/vim (https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12735) were good links. |
| 00:51.31 | ksk | thanks! |
| 00:51.43 | ksk | also to annadane, of course. |
| 00:52.46 | ksk | the reason its not listed at "https://www.debian.org/security/" is that it was not posted to debian-security-announce (yet)? |
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| 01:01.18 | annadane | as to neovim specifically though, i don't know |
| 01:01.41 | Unit193 | Wouldn't that be bug #930024? |
| 01:02.16 | ksk | annadane: ehm, just tested in a debootstrapped stretch: the statement at reddit is true only for root, not for a normal user :/ |
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| 01:03.36 | menaceSociety | Whats the status of the darknet markets |
| 01:03.39 | menaceSociety | ? |
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| 01:05.57 | ksk | still good to know it would not have worked for root opening files with vim.. |
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| 01:07.39 | CarlFK | how do I log a bug against the voctomix-outcasts debian package, but im running ubuntu so reportbug isn't going to "just work" |
| 01:08.45 | ksk | CarlFK: if you are sure it is indeed a debian bug, I could think of using debootstrap (on ubuntu) to get a debian system. chroot there, use reportbug |
| 01:08.55 | ksk | iirc there is a "debian-keyring" package in the ubuntu repos. |
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| 01:12.49 | crestfallen | hi can I set all apps to open at a default size? I've read many articles but none work on my 32bit debian 9 sys. thanks |
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| 01:14.08 | crestfallen | ie window size |
| 01:16.01 | Unit193 | CarlFK: You can still use reportbug to spit out the template, then email that in. |
| 01:16.29 | CarlFK | Unit193: thanks - I was hoping for something like that |
| 01:16.55 | ksk | debian at reddit looks not too bad btw, going to join ;) |
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| 01:19.08 | Unit193 | CarlFK: Why won't reportbug work, btw? |
| 01:20.10 | crestfallen | hoping to use a cli command for about ^ |
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| 01:20.18 | crestfallen | *above |
| 01:20.24 | CarlFK | Unit193: I figured it was tied into launchpad or something other than https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 01:49.19 | CarlFK | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=930043 Debian Release: stretch/sid APT prefers xenial-updates :p |
| 01:49.35 | CarlFK | good enough. I now have a bug # to reference in the fix |
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| 01:53.26 | crestfallen | for example alt + f8 allows you to adjust the window size horizontal / vertically, but this is not permanent. how to set window size permanently? |
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| 01:53.49 | crestfallen | isn't there a terminal command? |
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| 01:59.04 | somiaj | what? Why would you have xenial-updates in your sources.list? |
| 02:00.19 | somiaj | CarlFK: I don't see why you reported that bug to debian, you are either mixing systems, are actually running ubuntu, but you have both a kernel and apt sources that are not debian, and that bug won't do any good sending it to debian. |
| 02:01.21 | CarlFK | somiaj: the packager likes to have a bug to reference when he makes a new package |
| 02:02.01 | somiaj | Still seems strange that you don't report the bug to the ubuntu bts, and then reference that bug number. |
| 02:02.16 | somiaj | (or at least prove it is reproducibale in a sid vm, and then report it from the sid vm) |
| 02:02.56 | somiaj | anyways, if the package matainer requsted it, it just seems strange to me. |
| 02:02.59 | CarlFK | somiaj: we don't need that (im the author, I know when my code is buggy :p) |
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| 02:53.08 | Unit193 | ksk: neovim was just uploaded to unstable, fixing #930024. |
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| 03:36.06 | maxrazer | Does anyone have chromium on debian unstable? Can you tell me if the d-bus and xdg-open problem was fixed? I'm curious how fast things get fixed on unstable. I switched to testing. |
| 03:36.40 | maxrazer | You open an external link from discord and it chrashes chromium. A d-dbus error. Only happens with Chromium, not Chrome. |
| 03:36.47 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 03:36.48 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:37.03 | maxrazer | I was going to file the bug, but have never done that before and a bit shy. |
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| 03:39.21 | somiaj | Unless there is a bug report it might not get fixed. |
| 03:39.40 | somiaj | you can follow the tracker at tracker.debian.org/chromium to see when new packages are uploaded and check the changelog |
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| 03:40.05 | dvs | 103 bugs left! |
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| 03:41.25 | RoyK | dvs: and 32786 to come ;) |
| 03:41.38 | maxrazer | I did see some bugs that said they found bugs in chromium that were not "upstream" in chrome. |
| 03:41.45 | maxrazer | Something similar. |
| 03:41.59 | dvs | doh! |
| 03:42.02 | maxrazer | I can't remember now if there were other d-bus problems with other apps. |
| 03:42.19 | maxrazer | But, I can easily use chrome instead of chromium. |
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| 03:47.17 | somiaj | chrome isn't necessaraly upstream, it will have differences (as it is only based off of chromium plus googles pripority addons) |
| 03:47.38 | somiaj | though it could be something with either the chromium version not matching the one chrome is built from, or something in the build process |
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| 03:52.12 | maxrazer | somiaj, Yeah, but I seem to remember a person calling it upstream. Which I found confusing. I guess it upstream and then downstream in a parallel stream. |
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| 03:54.04 | maxrazer | somiaj, Do you run testing or unstable? |
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| 03:55.27 | somiaj | well google does a lot of chomrium development, so it is kinda upstream, but they do add non-free components to google-chrome (though the dbus thing is either not present in their newer version or something in the build system) |
| 03:55.41 | somiaj | what version of google-chrome works just fine, and compare that to the chromium version. |
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| 04:16.08 | awal1 | maxrazer, i do run unstable and latest chromium version and no crashes at all when opening external links |
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| 04:16.59 | awal1 | i have seen apt-listbugs informing about a bug already reported about what you say but i am not affected at all |
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| 04:17.27 | awal1 | i have v. 74.0.3729.108-1 |
| 04:17.36 | awal1 | ,v chromium |
| 04:17.37 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; sid: 74.0.3729.108-1 |
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| 04:26.17 | maxrazer | awal1, Strange. It was doing it a week or more ago. |
| 04:26.45 | maxrazer | awal1, It is possible something else fixes it though when you install a full desktop environment. I don't run one. |
| 04:28.44 | awal1 | maxrazer, i don't find the bug right now |
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| 04:28.51 | awal1 | it may be fiixed yep |
| 04:29.13 | awal1 | you should have apt-listbugs if you run testing/unstable |
| 04:29.23 | awal1 | i just use a window manager |
| 04:30.03 | awal1 | i havebn't had chromium updates since the bug report |
| 04:30.28 | awal1 | so i guess the bug was originated by dbus or something else, not chromium |
| 04:31.00 | awal1 | anyway, i haven't experimented crashes here |
| 04:31.04 | maxrazer | awal1, That is what I thought, but it only had a problem with dbus in chromium and not chrome. |
| 04:31.20 | awal1 | no idea bro |
| 04:31.28 | maxrazer | awal1, No problem. thankxz |
| 04:31.30 | awal1 | i never used chrome under gnu-linux |
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| 04:31.36 | awal1 | and will not do :P |
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| 04:34.24 | maxrazer | awal1, I use DWM, but have tried other window managers. Do you know another good one you like? |
| 04:36.15 | awal1 | maxrazer, try them all and chose the one that feets your needs |
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| 04:36.41 | awal1 | i personally tried them all and ended with openbox (sometimes fvwm) |
| 04:37.30 | awal1 | i find it the most robust |
| 04:38.13 | maxrazer | Yeah. I tried them all. I forgot about fvwm I think. I had a lot of problems trying to setup openbox and tint2 and icon trays and getting openbox to display all the application icons etc. |
| 04:39.16 | awal1 | i prefer no icons, no icons=more lighter |
| 04:39.53 | maxrazer | awal1, Yeah I guess. I also found you can make an application menu with rofi. |
| 04:40.10 | awal1 | fvwm is more harder to configure but with time and learning you can do it |
| 04:40.19 | maxrazer | https://forum.manjaro.org/t/rofi-based-application-launcher-menu-with-categories/43113 |
| 04:40.36 | awal1 | and just before you was talking with the maintainer of fvwm:) |
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| 04:41.39 | awal1 | i am into simplicity , pure openbox + tint2 + only the appsmi need |
| 04:41.49 | awal1 | apps i need |
| 04:42.36 | awal1 | + conky |
| 04:43.18 | awal1 | if interested on fvwm, you can get great support visiting #fvwm on freenode server |
| 04:43.41 | maxrazer | ok, thanks. I might want fvwm over openbox if I want a floating window manager. |
| 04:43.57 | awal1 | by the way, it is the most customizable wm |
| 04:44.10 | awal1 | and it is very solid |
| 04:44.39 | maxrazer | awal1, Oh, I didn't know. I do tend to like this DWM. |
| 04:44.50 | awal1 | nice |
| 04:45.17 | awal1 | they are all good, a matter of needs |
| 04:45.28 | awal1 | dinner time here. see ya:) |
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| 06:11.04 | pickled_intestin | Greetings, all. |
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| 06:42.30 | Soo_Slow | hello. Which directory would be better to keep game's mods without breaking specifications - '$HOME/.config/folder' or '$HOME/.local/share/folder/' ? (as far as I understand, '.config' is only for text configs/savefiles, while '.local/share' is for other data. Or is it?) |
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| 06:43.52 | rant | Soo_Slow: .local is like a user version of /usr/local/ it is entirely up to the user to define, where .config/ is more like /etc/ and is managed by more defined specifications |
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| 06:44.39 | rant | Soo_Slow: if you are a developer making foo-game, then using .config/foo-game/ however you want is up to you |
| 06:45.47 | rant | Soo_Slow: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/config-spec/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/basedir-spec/ |
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| 06:47.14 | Soo_Slow | rant, Im not a developer, but only user who tries to avoid making a mess of home folder (since I often use wine's symlinks and self written shell scripts to redirect things here and there) :D |
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| 06:47.52 | darxmurf | morning |
| 06:48.06 | rant | Soo_Slow: for mods of a wine program, I'd keep the mods inside the wineprefix |
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| 06:49.03 | rant | Soo_Slow: wherever the program expects them under windows |
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| 06:49.57 | Soo_Slow | rant, since each game may have its own prefix with its own wine version, it turns into hell when it comes to backup |
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| 06:50.51 | rant | you aren't making any sense.. each game would have its own mods.. you dont share mods across multiple games.. Mods for GTA San Andreas dont get used on Red Alert 2 |
| 06:52.06 | rant | and each game should be in its own bottle |
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| 06:53.59 | Soo_Slow | each game has its own bottle. I keep games together with their wineprefixes on separated hard drive (due to size), while saves (via symlinks) go like $HOME/.config/gamename/ (each game has its own folder) |
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| 06:55.07 | rant | storing anything outside the bottle is what would make your backups complicated |
| 06:55.08 | nidhoegger | Hi. I have a problem: I got a laptop with intel/nvidia hybrid. Can I somehow completly disable the nvidia card? it has no option in the bios. The thing is: nouveau crashed as soon as I use OpenGL freezing the whole computer |
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| 06:55.50 | rant | nidhoegger: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus#Dynamic_Graphics_Disabled_-_xrandr_and_Display_Manager_Scripts |
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| 06:56.13 | nidhoegger | rant that is the opposite of what I want to do o_O |
| 06:56.36 | nidhoegger | i want to disable nvidia, not enable it |
| 06:56.54 | rant | that is EXACTLY what you just asked |
| 06:57.06 | rant | apparently you didn't read ti |
| 06:57.10 | nidhoegger | no |
| 06:57.22 | nidhoegger | what you posted is how to enable the nvidia card and ONLY the nvidia card |
| 06:57.25 | Soo_Slow | the logic is simple. If something will go wrong - I ll be able to easily redownload my games. But wont be able to get my savefiles back. Plus I have a limited amount of space for backups. Thus I only try to backup things, unrecoverable by other means |
| 06:57.26 | nidhoegger | I dont want to use the nvidia GPU |
| 06:58.27 | rant | its how to in software use just one.. that whole section is all about how to use one or the other either in HW or SW |
| 06:58.56 | rant | if you can't extrapolate from that how to switch it to the intel driver, then you need more hand holding than I am going to give you |
| 06:59.12 | nidhoegger | apperently you did not read it... |
| 06:59.20 | rant | because 1) I'm busy coding and 2) I'd just sell the crap and buy something that didnt suck |
| 06:59.59 | rant | I read enough to know I could change the nvidia parts to intel and do the same thing.. its f'n xorg.conf and xrandr commands.. |
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| 07:00.15 | nidhoegger | -.- |
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| 07:01.26 | rant | you can get a Lenovo X240 or T440 (my last two machines) for under $200 easy.. and I'm sure you could sell whatever that is to a windows user for more than that easily |
| 07:01.58 | rant | you wanna wait around for someone to regurgitate the wiki to you with the appropriate changes, be my guest :P |
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| 07:03.13 | nidhoegger | found a solution by a competent guy, thanks. ill forward your message to my company that they fucking should get some other notebooks and quit the leasing contract. thanks |
| 07:03.58 | rant | yes, if a company is leasing machines intending to use them on linux, they should not be buying stuff known not to work on linux.. |
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| 07:04.20 | nidhoegger | like i said, ill forward it. maybe they pay you top dollar for you advices |
| 07:04.47 | rant | not interested.. I tell people who do stupid stuff like that to shove it |
| 07:04.53 | nidhoegger | unless you are to busy coding |
| 07:04.59 | nidhoegger | and just have time for snappy comments |
| 07:05.02 | nidhoegger | that dont help anyone |
| 07:05.07 | nidhoegger | besides your ego |
| 07:05.23 | humpled | TOP DOLLA |
| 07:05.53 | rant | I directed you to the documentation on the issue we have available its not my problem you don't know enough to switch nvidia to intel in some xrandr commands or ask someone else how to use xrandr |
| 07:08.39 | nidhoegger | never came across such an asshole... i hope one day you have a problem and come accross a guy like you |
| 07:08.42 | nidhoegger | you are toxic |
| 07:09.56 | rant | you got snippy as soon as I pointed you to the documentation, and are still arguing despite the fact I've explained to you that you just change nvidia to intel |
| 07:10.10 | Habbie | they left |
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| 07:10.28 | bs0d | Hi all |
| 07:10.30 | rant | well then they're not arguing anymore.. which suits me just fine :P |
| 07:11.01 | bs0d | my stable debian does not contain all the packages I need. I need newer flex and bison. |
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| 07:11.25 | bs0d | What happens if I install those from sources? configure make install etc? |
| 07:11.47 | rant | bs0d: can you be more specific.. like why and/or what versions you need? |
| 07:11.52 | rant | ,v flex |
| 07:11.53 | judd | Package: flex on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.39-8+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.5.39-8+deb8u2; stretch: 2.6.1-1.3; buster: 2.6.4-6.2; sid: 2.6.4-6.2 |
| 07:12.00 | rant | ,v bison |
| 07:12.01 | judd | Package: bison on amd64 -- jessie: 2:3.0.2.dfsg-2; stretch: 2:3.0.4.dfsg-1+b1; buster: 2:3.3.2.dfsg-1; sid: 2:3.3.2.dfsg-1 |
| 07:12.03 | ksk | nice talk, made my morning :X |
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| 07:12.51 | bs0d | rant I need Bison >= 3.2 so that it can generate C++ output. My apt says it has 3.0.4 only, and a flex distribution which is compatible with it. |
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| 07:13.59 | bs0d | rant I can install them manually from sources, but I am afraid later when I will need to remove it, I will have to delete it file-by-file somewhere deep in the filesystem |
| 07:14.29 | bs0d | I'd like to ask if I install bison 3.4 and the latest flex from sources, will Debian see it like a package in the system which can be removed? |
| 07:15.03 | rant | ,checkbackport flex |
| 07:15.04 | judd | Backporting package flex in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports. |
| 07:15.07 | rant | ,checkbackport bison |
| 07:15.08 | judd | Backporting package bison in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
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| 07:15.48 | rant | bs0d: preliminarily it looks like you could backport Bison 3.3.2 and flex 2.6.4 from sid |
| 07:15.59 | rant | ,depends flex |
| 07:16.00 | judd | Package flex in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), m4, dpkg (>= 1.15.4) | install-info,debconf | debconf-2.0. |
| 07:16.08 | rant | ,depends bison |
| 07:16.09 | judd | Package bison in stretch/amd64 -- depends: m4, libc6 (>= 2.15), libbison-dev (= 2:3.0.4.dfsg-1+b1). |
| 07:16.37 | rant | ,depends bison sid |
| 07:16.38 | judd | Package bison in sid/amd64 -- depends: m4, libc6 (>= 2.17), libbison-dev (= 2:3.3.2.dfsg-1). |
| 07:16.47 | rant | ,depends flex sid |
| 07:16.48 | judd | Package flex in sid/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.26), m4,debconf | debconf-2.0. |
| 07:17.02 | rant | ,depends libbison-dev sid |
| 07:17.03 | judd | Package libbison-dev in sid/amd64 -- depends: . |
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| 07:17.18 | rant | though honestly it looks like the sid packages would install cleanly |
| 07:17.32 | rant | if you either pin or just download and install them manually |
| 07:17.47 | rant | ,v libc6 |
| 07:17.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; sid: 2.28-10 |
| 07:18.09 | rant | ah no, I forgot I'm on buster :P |
| 07:18.18 | rant | stretch only has libc6 2.24 |
| 07:18.27 | rant | flex in sid wants 2.26 or better |
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| 07:20.05 | rant | bs0d: well here are my best recommendations, either consider the possibility of upgrading to buster now.. it should release within another month or so.. or as you said compile out of tree from upsource into like /usr/local/ or such, and use equivs to satisfy the package manager that you have these installed, or backport them from sid yourself. |
| 07:20.57 | rant | bs0d: backporting them is probably the least time and simplest all around.. you'd need stretch-backports sources, a deb-src line for sid, and you'd need to backport debhelper first |
| 07:21.48 | rant | bs0d: though I'd personally if I had the time, would consider just upgrading to buster now.. I did it on my workstation cause I dont wanna be bothered with it later when I dont have time, and I wanted some newer things anyhow for some stuff I was working on |
| 07:22.41 | rant | apt does all the hard work for you of backporting /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 07:31.01 | bs0d | rant can I upgrade to buster now, or do I have to wait one month for it to be released? |
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| 07:33.22 | ksk | !tell bs0d about buster |
| 07:33.36 | ksk | !tell bs0d about stretch->buster |
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| 07:33.49 | ksk | you can always upate your stable installation to testing. |
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| 07:34.38 | ksk | and while you might not want to run testing in production, the release being near should make it relatively stable so to say. |
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| 07:39.04 | rant | bs0d: you can upgrade now if you like but you may want to consider everything you need and if its still available in buster |
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| 07:39.49 | rant | bs0d: I personally have installed buster in the last few months on 5 machines and in only 1 did I have issues because I wanted amarok and virtualbox in that case and neither were easily available |
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| 07:40.27 | Habbie | rant, i haven't tried it myself yet but Gnome Boxes looks like it might be a decent vbox alternative |
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| 07:41.20 | rant | Habbie: yeah I hate most everything GNOME does anymore.. I am learning to live with and understand the need for systemd, but I still tend to agree its over-reaching its scope a bit |
| 07:41.41 | rant | (agree with Michael Biebl that is) |
| 07:41.51 | Habbie | ok.. |
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| 07:43.15 | rant | I just install vbox from upstream if its not available.. which is preferable anyhow as they offer deb packages and the issue with vbox and debian is that they dont offer upstream security support that jives with the debian model.. so it keeps getting dropped from every stable release then later added as a backport from sid |
| 07:43.41 | Habbie | right |
| 07:43.49 | Habbie | i have a bad taste from using vbox on mac so now i just avoid it |
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| 07:45.13 | rant | I feel that if you use virtualization for serious regular application, there are much better solutions, but if you only use it for quickly deploying and cloning setups to test and support things, virtualbox's UI makes it MUCH simpler and has a wide array of unparalleled features and ships drivers that work flawlessly with their virtual hardwar |
| 07:46.39 | rant | My personal use is usually just quickly cloning VMs I have premade of stable/testing/unstable base, or each of the 7 DEs and reproducing issues for support purposes.. and when I install it for other people I'm doing it cause they want windows.. and the seamless mode and saved states is excellent for that |
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| 07:55.33 | oiaohm | rant: my problem is the systemd dealing with the process leak problem of init systems had to happen at somepoint. I do wish openrc was progressing faster. |
| 07:57.21 | rant | oiaohm: what systemd set out to do was totally necessary and is done fairly well, albiet with a good deal of technical debt for those who have been using sysv for decades.. and aren't real interested in wasting time learning a whole new system that largely worked for their needs. The issue is that systemd has far exceeded its scope as a new init system |
| 07:58.06 | oiaohm | rant: sysprof https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Mutter-Sysprof-Lands idea in gnome developers to add more profiling to graphical is something else we need to see more of. |
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| 07:58.45 | oiaohm | Really I don't think gnome or systemd does everything wrong. We do need to take their good points and spread those ideas. |
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| 08:01.00 | mrtnt | I have a weird problem where /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily ran by apt-daily.service messes up the repository cache: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/74816be2 I enabled 'APT::Periodic::Verbose "2";' and apt.systemd.daily logs following: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/ab9645f7 This looks normal to me.. Has anyone encountered something similar? |
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| 08:03.31 | rant | mrtnt: you have an unofficial repo in there, which it or a package from it, is probably the culprait |
| 08:04.16 | rant | mrtnt: many of these 3rd party debs have their packages configured in a way that modifies your apt setup to suit their needs.. like automatically adding their repository, keys, etc.. which is bad practice |
| 08:04.40 | rant | there is probably something doing that sort of ignorant stuff and doing it wrong. |
| 08:05.11 | rant | you may want to look into your apt term.log or such |
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| 08:11.19 | jelly | oiaohm: except most of the good ideas were done before and NIHed |
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| 08:13.15 | mrtnt | rant: thanks! By an unofficial repo you mean "https://repos.insights.digitalocean.com/apt/do-agent"? |
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| 08:16.02 | rant | mrtnt: yes, that looks to be a 3rd party repo for some particular package.. as its not a properly formed mirror line |
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| 08:17.04 | rant | mrtnt: the fact that they dont know how to properly setup a mirror suggest they are the ones screwing up your package manager :P |
| 08:17.19 | mrtnt | rant: ok.. On the other hand, when I run manually "apt-get update", then many more sources are downloaded: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/967dd94b |
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| 08:23.01 | rant | mrtnt: you're comparing apples to oranges apt-get and apt-helper and that convoluted sh script systemd runs are three different things |
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| 08:23.16 | rant | its to be expected they would do things differently |
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| 08:24.38 | rant | the simple fact is, with the information you provided.. the last thing that does is et:7 https://repos.insights.digitalocean.com/apt/do-agent main InRelease [5,132 B] then that repo is all you are seeing in apt policy.. so.. stands to reason thats where the problem lies |
| 08:24.48 | rant | and that is not an official mirror so.. |
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| 08:29.02 | mrtnt | rant: I think I can try to simply disable that repo. I don't need it anyway. However, I wish apt logs this somewhere. If I check the /var/log/apt/ directory, then latest update there is from 4.06. |
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| 08:45.17 | fredl-pc | hey folks |
| 08:45.31 | fredl-pc | got a bit of complex question.... |
| 08:46.01 | fredl-pc | I have a floating IP in my network using keepalived |
| 08:46.34 | fredl-pc | It's working somewhat fine when I don't use vmac |
| 08:47.05 | fredl-pc | I can ping the IP when I don't use vmac, networking over the IP (using haproxy) works just peachy |
| 08:47.32 | fredl-pc | However, I have a need for a vmac as my plastic router gets confused when it sees two IP's on one MAC |
| 08:47.38 | jelly | what's vmac? |
| 08:47.48 | fredl-pc | virtual mac address. |
| 08:48.23 | fredl-pc | it's a mac address keepalived 'makes up' on the spot when configured so that the virtual IP address has its own unique MAC address |
| 08:48.58 | fredl-pc | it in fact brings up a new interface when you use that, instead of adding the virtual IP to the configured interface |
| 08:49.05 | jelly | huh, haven't tried that |
| 08:49.15 | fredl-pc | its kinda neat if you ask me. |
| 08:49.18 | jelly | do you need a bridge to make that work? |
| 08:49.19 | Fox | fredl-pc: and why do you need vmac ? |
| 08:49.43 | fredl-pc | fully supported by the kernel using module macvlan |
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| 08:50.08 | fredl-pc | Fox: ^^^^ scroll up. My @#$(%) plastic router gets totally confused when seeing two IP's using one MAC |
| 08:50.19 | jelly | description: Driver for MAC address based VLANs |
| 08:50.26 | fredl-pc | no bridge jelly |
| 08:50.59 | fredl-pc | FYI, I get this: |
| 08:51.02 | fredl-pc | 5: vrrp.15@ens192: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000 |
| 08:51.03 | fredl-pc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.03 | fredl-pc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.03 | fredl-pc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:51.13 | Fox | did you try playing with arp announce/ignore ? |
| 08:51.15 | fredl-pc | oh shit, sowwy folks :P |
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| 08:51.49 | fredl-pc | a little bit Fox |
| 08:51.58 | jelly | https://hicu.be/bridge-vs-macvlan sounds similar to what you can do with a local bridge |
| 08:52.07 | fredl-pc | because there's a way that keepalived uses to announce the new MAC to the network |
| 08:52.59 | jelly | normally it'd send a gratuitous arp announce |
| 08:53.09 | jelly | just like when a failover happens |
| 08:53.24 | fredl-pc | I think it can be tweaked to temporarily flood the network with some gratuitous arp broadcasts to make the network aware of the new MAC, which sounds kinda, well, wrong, but in my small network it works |
| 08:53.30 | fredl-pc | Oh :) |
| 08:53.36 | fredl-pc | yeah what jelly sez |
| 08:54.14 | fredl-pc | in any case, my other host learns the VRRP MAC near instantly when I raise the interface, or rather, let keepalived do so |
| 08:55.29 | fredl-pc | I'm thinking I need to tweak the interface settings in the kernel somehow to make the virtual IP pingable even |
| 08:55.35 | jelly | wrong or not, it's the only way to quickly tell your switch the IP now over there |
| 08:55.44 | fredl-pc | But a bit at my wits end where to look |
| 08:56.23 | fredl-pc | yeah yeah, agreed. I've also worked with VyOS/Vyatta in the past and gratuitous ARP's were the way to go there as well, so not per say 'wrong' I guess |
| 08:56.54 | fredl-pc | Of course my plastic router (Fritzbox) does NOT seem to honor the gratuitous arps |
| 08:57.05 | fredl-pc | but that's a whole different issue for later |
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| 09:16.46 | fredl-pc | strange thing is... I DO see some traffic coming in on the VRRP MAC iface |
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| 09:17.56 | fredl-pc | just no outgoing traffic, hmmm |
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| 09:20.06 | fredl-pc | the important observation being... ESXi under these VM's does pass on the network traffic TO the VM's |
| 09:20.30 | fredl-pc | That was one of my possible root causes :/ |
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| 09:23.58 | fredl-pc | hmmm https://keepalived-devel.narkive.com/xzguuYZG/vmac-problems |
| 09:24.05 | fredl-pc | interesting thread |
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| 09:33.38 | fredl-pc | just too bizarre, the VRRP interface appears nearly dead or completely dead where it involves outgoing traffic.... |
| 09:33.53 | fredl-pc | IT couldn't be so simple as.... |
| 09:34.01 | fredl-pc | routing table? |
| 09:34.36 | jelly | fredl-pc: esxi standard switch will not let you fake MAC unless you explicitely allow it |
| 09:34.40 | fredl-pc | that traffic comes in on the virtual IP but replies get sent back over the physical interface.... |
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| 09:35.34 | fredl-pc | Well I haven't explicitly allowed it jelly, or I would know it (well I know, that's implied implicitly by the use of the word explicitly :P |
| 09:35.40 | jelly | where else would they get sent to? |
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| 09:36.03 | fredl-pc | hang on lemme test that theory that it's nothing more than a routing issue |
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| 09:36.28 | fredl-pc | if there's only one default gw, and somehow the replies get routed mistakenly |
| 09:36.53 | fredl-pc | I mean, the VRRP IP is in the same subnet as the physical interface's IP |
| 09:37.33 | ssa | Hi. I installed the iptables-persistent and netfilter-persistent packages, created my iptables rules, did `netfilter-persistent save` (which is equivalent of iptables-save > ...) |
| 09:37.50 | ssa | What do I need to do for these "persistent" rules to load at boot? |
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| 09:38.09 | colo-work | ssa, nothing, as long as the service is enabled |
| 09:38.21 | ssa | systemctl status netfilter-persistent shows active |
| 09:38.37 | ssa | However, after reboot, my rules aren't loaded. |
| 09:38.47 | ssa | I don't see them with iptables -L |
| 09:39.07 | colo-work | works for me(tm) on jessie, stretch, and buster |
| 09:39.28 | colo-work | do you have rules listed in /etc/iptables/rules.v4? |
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| 09:40.23 | fredl-pc | thank god it's not that simple as traffic coming in on one interface and replies going back over the other, physical, interface |
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| 09:41.00 | fredl-pc | What I should really do is to bring up a VRRP interface manually according to kernel documentation and see if that works as expected |
| 09:41.02 | ssa | I see my rules in /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 09:41.06 | ssa | colo-work: ^ |
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| 09:41.59 | ssa | I'm on stretch with 4.19 bpo5 |
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| 09:43.07 | colo-work | ssa, what does the journal have to say for the iptables-persistent service after you boot up? |
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| 09:43.53 | ssa | looked ok. (rebooting machine right now) |
| 09:43.53 | ssa | iirc there were 2 lines, one of ipv4 and other for v6 |
| 09:44.12 | colo-work | ah sorry, it is netfilter-persistent.service |
| 09:44.34 | ssa | ok it worked this time.. |
| 09:45.28 | ssa | retrying on another machine just to be sure :) |
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| 09:47.21 | fredl-pc | @jelly https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2018/10/22/introduction-to-linux-interfaces-for-virtual-networking/#macvlan |
| 09:47.26 | fredl-pc | interesting read |
| 09:48.38 | carp_ | Hi, Ive seen firefox ESR has been getting some big updates recently on debian updates. Has it changed for the worse or better in terms of privacy and sharing information with the big companies? Am I right that it has now automatically added a youtube search bar? |
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| 09:55.11 | mossylane | hi all, I see with nmap that my port 'submission' (for email) is open/filtered. how do I remove the listening on that port? |
| 09:55.20 | fredl-pc | Hrmm, manually adding a macvlan interface and configuring it with an IP *also* doesn't seem to work |
| 09:55.38 | fredl-pc | So time to go bother the folks at #linux I guess |
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| 10:01.59 | Fox | mossylane: comment the submission line in your master.cf and reload postfix, but why would you like to disable it ? |
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| 10:11.03 | mossylane | I want a clean nmap and I never use mail on that host and surely I don't care about mailing logs or something |
| 10:11.40 | mossylane | I don't seem to have an /etc/postfix folder |
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| 10:13.36 | fredl-pc | well that could be caused by not having postfix installed |
| 10:14.18 | mossylane | i dont even know what program is listening on my submission port then |
| 10:14.29 | fredl-pc | so telnet into it, see what it tells you? |
| 10:14.39 | Fox | I assumed it was postfix, sorry :) |
| 10:14.50 | fredl-pc | could be exim perhaps |
| 10:15.17 | fredl-pc | I don't know, first thing I always do is replace exim with postfix :D |
| 10:15.20 | yesman | i hear debian 10 is a few small bugfixes away from full release |
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| 10:15.40 | fredl-pc | sounds good to me yesman |
| 10:15.59 | fredl-pc | atm sid seems to be quite stable to me |
| 10:16.21 | fredl-pc | I run it on a few servers here and havent experienced much problems lately |
| 10:17.09 | Fox | mossylane: do you have /etc/exim.conf ? |
| 10:17.34 | fredl-pc | maybe I should replace sid with buster |
| 10:17.52 | mossylane | nope I dont have an /etc/exim.conf |
| 10:18.11 | mossylane | and I can't telnet into it, connection refused |
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| 10:19.41 | mossylane | if i nmap, i get: |
| 10:19.53 | mossylane | 587/tcp filtered submission |
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| 10:22.12 | mossylane | I guess nobody can use that port |
| 10:24.01 | fredl-pc | jelly? |
| 10:24.06 | fredl-pc | u there? |
| 10:24.39 | fredl-pc | I'm wondering if what you said before applies -- ESXi blocks MAC spoofing unless explicitly allowed |
| 10:24.50 | fredl-pc | With one exception perhaps, ARP itself |
| 10:25.06 | fredl-pc | That would somewhat explain the behavior I'm seeing wouldn't it? |
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| 10:28.17 | fredl-pc | Damnit.... just looked into my ESXi virtual switch settings |
| 10:28.41 | fredl-pc | and it has 'MAC address changes' set to 'Accept' |
| 10:28.56 | fredl-pc | I know for a fact I didn't consciously do that, but that seems to be the setting I need |
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| 10:34.20 | fredl-pc | oooohboy |
| 10:34.33 | fredl-pc | I can actually add a macvlan interface to a bridge :P |
| 10:35.36 | fredl-pc | ha! and that works without a problem! |
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| 10:37.30 | Fox | gg :) |
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| 10:39.17 | carp_ | what browser is recommended currently guys? firefox esr? ice weasel? im curious if firefox esr has been updated recently to share more information with the big companies or something (saw it has had a couple of 50mb updates in the last few weeks). |
| 10:41.13 | petn-randall | carp_: I'd go with Firefox ESR. |
| 10:41.14 | z3309 | Firefox is fine. You might want to adjust a few things in about:config and about:preferences regarding the search engine / privacy settings |
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| 10:44.20 | carp_ | petn-randall: z3309 yeah I have changed the default settings. Im not sure but I think it now has a youtube search bar added that is new. That was the tip off that maybe I should check. |
| 10:46.28 | carp_ | Was there a recent kind of battle between developers or something, I saw the big 50mb update and then a couple days later another 50mb update as it is was reverted perhaps. |
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| 10:46.55 | carp_ | *as IF it was reverted |
| 10:47.03 | yesman | i'm gonna wait until 10 is full release, then upgrade |
| 10:48.43 | carp_ | yesman: how come? |
| 10:48.59 | yesman | idk |
| 10:49.10 | yesman | despite it being safe to use now i'm gonna wait it out a bit |
| 10:49.29 | yesman | it's for that "completionist" complex in my brain |
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| 10:50.55 | z3309 | I haven't seen that youtube search bar before.. |
| 10:51.42 | carp_ | yesman: ok, im just worried if something 'bad' got put in recently, or if some sort of slightly 'bad' compromise was reached if that makes sense. |
| 10:52.56 | carp_ | z3309: in my search bar there is a youtube option in the drop down, not a dedicated youtube search bar. I think it appeared after the big update. |
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| 10:55.18 | melpy | sorry |
| 10:56.29 | carp_ | I went to about:preferences and removed it but maybe it just removes it visibly, not much confidence that it has been properly deleted from the browser. |
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| 11:01.06 | petn-randall | yesman: It's a good idea since buster does not have security support right now. |
| 11:01.38 | yesman | yeah, an idea especially for servers |
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| 11:03.33 | Belkachait08 | Hello |
| 11:03.41 | petn-randall | carp_: If you want to know the reason, look into the changelog at /usr/share/doc/firefox-esr/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 11:04.19 | carp_ | petn-randall: thanks, Ill do that now. |
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| 11:45.45 | dvs | 101 bugs! |
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| 11:46.53 | diogenes_ | hey guys is there any work going on to mitigate the hidden wasp? |
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| 11:48.05 | jelly | the what now |
| 11:48.14 | jelly | diogenes_: can you state that as a CVE number |
| 11:48.28 | jelly | or three |
| 11:49.04 | Babulal | hello guys i want to ask some question |
| 11:49.22 | diogenes_ | jelly, not a CVE as yet it's not even detected with clamav: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/05/advanced-linux-backdoor-found-in-the-wild-escaped-av-detection/ |
| 11:49.41 | jelly | so it's a payload |
| 11:49.51 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:49.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:50.12 | colo-work | âLinux malware may introduce new challenges for the security community that we have not yet seen in other platforms,â Intezer researcher Ignacio Sanmillan wrote in Wednesdayâs post. âThe fact that this malware manages to stay under the radar should be a wake up call for the security industry to allocate greater efforts or resources to detect these threats.â |
| 11:50.16 | colo-work | yawns audibly |
| 11:51.10 | Babulal | any body can tell me AWAE COURSE |
| 11:51.42 | jelly | diogenes_: debian does not have resources to track every possible malware payload and rootkit, mitigation is supposed to be done to avoid being exploited in the first place |
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| 11:52.57 | diogenes_ | i see. |
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| 11:53.44 | Babulal | any body have whatsapp group for discus about cyber security |
| 11:53.56 | jelly | Babulal: that does not sound like a Debian question, maybe /join #offsec |
| 11:54.06 | jelly | or ##security |
| 11:55.47 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 11:55.47 | dpkg | Yes, jelly you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 11:57.47 | Babulal | guy tell one thing how can i create worms in kali linux |
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| 11:58.02 | Habbie | Babulal, that's not a debian question either |
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| 12:11.30 | EdePopede | maybe also #scriptkiddies |
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| 12:18.18 | echoSMILE | yesterday I config a laptop with static ip for an interface, but after reboot the interface don't respect the /etc/network/interfaces config. What I am doing wrong? |
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| 12:18.49 | dvs | ??? |
| 12:18.57 | dvs | the interface changed the IP address? |
| 12:19.12 | echoSMILE | don't have any |
| 12:19.32 | petn-randall | echoSMILE: What is the config in e/n/i, and what did you get? |
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| 12:20.58 | echoSMILE | auto ino1, iface eno1 inet static, address 192.168.1.2, netmask 255.255.255.0, network 192.168.1.0, broadcast 192.168.1.255, gateway 192.168.1.1, dns-servers 1.1.1.1 8.8.8.8 |
| 12:21.28 | echoSMILE | the interface is up with none ip set |
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| 12:22.02 | dvs | echoSMILE, what does "ip addr" say? |
| 12:23.02 | dvs | Also, I'd change "auto" to "allow-hotplug" |
| 12:23.31 | echoSMILE | 2: eno1: <no-carrier,broadcast,multicast,up> mtu 1500 qdisc ofifo_fast, state down group default qlen 1000 |
| 12:24.09 | dvs | echoSMILE, there should be an inet line after that. |
| 12:24.20 | echoSMILE | no inet line |
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| 12:24.48 | dvs | echoSMILE, is there an address after running "ifup eno1" ? |
| 12:25.24 | echoSMILE | dvs yes, he put the ip configured at e/n/i |
| 12:25.48 | Bjornn | !help |
| 12:25.52 | dvs | echoSMILE, I'd change "auto eno1" to "allow-hotplug eno1" |
| 12:26.00 | echoSMILE | let me try |
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| 12:27.12 | echoSMILE | dvs I set that line and reboot, no ip set |
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| 12:28.38 | petn-randall | echoSMILE: It's better if you use https://pasted.debian.net for sharing data. |
| 12:28.46 | dvs | yes, agreed |
| 12:28.52 | petn-randall | (more readable at least) |
| 12:28.57 | echoSMILE | I don't have internet on that pc |
| 12:29.04 | dvs | We'd like to see what exactly that file contains |
| 12:29.06 | echoSMILE | because of this issue |
| 12:29.18 | dvs | echoSMILE, you do when you run "ifup eno1" |
| 12:29.51 | Fanni | mr freenode evader https://sendvid.com/bi8fken3 |
| 12:31.12 | petn-randall | You can put the output into a file `ifconfig > tmpfile; cat /etc/network/interfaces >> tmpfile`, and then fix the network so you can share it with us. |
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| 12:32.00 | petn-randall | Fanni: What is this video for? |
| 12:32.30 | petn-randall | Fanni: If you have a Debian support question you also need to write that, I cannot understand your issue from the video alone. |
| 12:33.12 | Fanni | nothing ,,, just like to share a script idea |
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| 12:33.49 | echoSMILE | dvs petn-randall https://paste.debian.net/1086547/ |
| 12:34.41 | petn-randall | Fanni: Ok, this isn't in any way related to Debian support, so I'd consider it off-topic here. |
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| 12:36.12 | dvs | echoSMILE, one says "ino1" and the other says "eno1" |
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| 12:36.49 | echoSMILE | dam |
| 12:37.37 | echoSMILE | sorry and thanks |
| 12:38.16 | dvs | I thought it was a typo, guess not |
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| 12:39.43 | Shina | petn-randall ok |
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| 13:11.28 | kalipso | i have trouble starting unprivileged containers on debian stretch. the user doesnt have the right permissions on cgroups: https://pastebin.com/KPaJFm3D . normaly this was fixed using "cgm", but that is not working anymore since cgroupmanager.service fails to start. |
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| 13:15.04 | jelly | kalipso: they are disabled by default on debian kernels, did you enable them |
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| 13:16.03 | barryG | hello |
| 13:16.27 | jelly | kalipso: cat /proc/sys/kernel/unprivileged_userns_clone ... 0 means disabled. |
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| 13:18.11 | kalipso | jelly: yes they are enabled |
| 13:18.47 | barryG | I need someones who's experienced help |
| 13:18.56 | jelly | !ask |
| 13:18.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:22.32 | kalipso | it seems like it is a problem with current debian stretch packages: https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/failed-creating-cgroups/272 sadly installing the ubuntu package doesnt help for me |
| 13:22.44 | barryG | It's mainly about a "hacking" thing im experiencing but... it's not about debian running |
| 13:22.52 | barryG | It's about what I can do to get rid of it. |
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| 13:36.28 | N4Z4_ | Hello friends |
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| 13:40.36 | N4Z4_ | Me too :'( |
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| 13:48.20 | mason | yee, https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2019/06/05/4 |
| 13:51.06 | greycat | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-10149 |
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| 14:00.21 | gluon | do dist-upgrades from old stable to the new stable present any considerable new risks when using backports? |
| 14:00.38 | gluon | i suppose it depends on the number of backports |
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| 14:01.13 | greycat | efforts have been made to try to make (e.g.) jessie-backports to stretch updates work smoothly, but they don't get tested as much as regular package upgrades |
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| 14:06.49 | somiaj | yea, the versions are strictly less than (due to the ~bpo), but the upgrade paths have not been tested so there could be bugs. I would still remove the stable-backport sources during the dist-upgrade, and as always backup before you upgrade just incase some bug arises. |
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| 14:06.57 | somiaj | well testd as much |
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| 14:09.30 | jelly | rce in exim4? It's like it's 2010 all over again |
| 14:10.01 | greycat | sendmail part deux |
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| 14:34.50 | jonnyutah | hi soo slow |
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| 14:35.33 | jonnyutah | hi winy |
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| 14:36.07 | jonnyutah | hi mortderire |
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| 14:46.33 | pts0 | needs some quick help |
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| 14:47.03 | pts0 | I installed debian 9 and selected the desktop environment but didn't select gnome or anything in the install |
| 14:47.14 | pts0 | now the box just comes up to a black screen with a mouse and that's it |
| 14:47.23 | pts0 | is there a simple way to fix this |
| 14:48.02 | pts0 | no login box, etc |
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| 14:49.20 | diogenes_ | pts0, you need to select gnome or anything in the install. |
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| 14:54.42 | Habbie | but to fix it |
| 14:54.48 | Habbie | use ctrl-alt-f3 to get a login prompt |
| 14:54.53 | Habbie | log in, apt install what you need |
| 14:55.00 | Habbie | (i do not have a more detailed answer) |
| 14:55.20 | jelly | pts0: choosing just DE installs Gnome. |
| 14:55.23 | jelly | diogenes_: ^ |
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| 14:55.35 | EdePopede | shouldn't the meta package pull everything else? |
| 14:55.38 | jelly | choosing DE _and_ Gnome... also installs Gnome. |
| 14:57.06 | diogenes_ | jelly, i didn't know, i always get an xfce iso. |
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| 14:58.56 | jelly | choosing just DE installs xfce, there |
| 14:59.10 | jelly | you can see where this is going |
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| 15:03.12 | pts0 | My fault |
| 15:03.23 | pts0 | I didn't mention it's a Citrix Xen vm |
| 15:03.27 | pts0 | I had to install vnc |
| 15:03.31 | pts0 | and the xen tools |
| 15:03.32 | pts0 | sorry |
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| 15:04.27 | EdePopede | is it normal that history structures in memory are broken? |
| 15:05.23 | EdePopede | not only that midnight commander forgets regularly what i had typed before, sometimes even after switching to another desktop and back, now bash also ignores HISTCONTROL changes. |
| 15:06.53 | EdePopede | have this entry FIVE times now in history and everytime i restart the subshell it is written to disk and reread and another instance is appended (and later saved of course), no matter how often i repeat it. |
| 15:08.53 | EdePopede | even the command to start mc is *twice* in its subshell, though it never ever should appear here. |
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| 15:20.03 | nifker | Does someone her know the FreeBSD Documentation License? - Doesn't it require to put the copyright holder and the year at the top? |
| 15:20.05 | nifker | here* |
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| 15:22.59 | themill | nifker: no |
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| 15:26.36 | nifker | does this have any advantages/disadvantages? |
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| 15:30.05 | nifker | CVE-2019-06-04 |
| 15:30.08 | nifker | ups |
| 15:30.24 | greycat | do you mean https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-10149 |
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| 15:32.28 | nifker | nah it was about a security issue in vim |
| 15:33.53 | greycat | well, CVE-2019-06-04 is not formatted properly. Do you have the correct CVE? |
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| 15:35.24 | Barabacha | how can I unpack a rar file on Debian 9? |
| 15:35.36 | greycat | ,info unrar |
| 15:35.37 | colo-work | ,v unrar-nonfree |
| 15:35.37 | judd | Package unrar (non-free/utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). Version: 1:5.3.2-1+deb9u1; Size: 124.5k; Installed: 307k; Homepage: http://www.rarlabs.com/ |
| 15:35.38 | judd | No package named 'unrar-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
| 15:35.43 | colo-work | :o |
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| 15:36.52 | jelly | Barabacha: enable non-free sources, then install "rar" or that "unrar-nonfree" thing. |
| 15:36.56 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 15:36.57 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 15:37.06 | greycat | it's "unrar" now |
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| 15:37.38 | greycat | the other one got changed to "unrar-free" |
| 15:37.38 | jelly | I _think_ rar itself works with more variants of the format |
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| 15:38.56 | Barabacha | I tried unrar-free but: unknown archive type, only plain RAR 2.0 supported(normal and solid archives), SFX and Volumes are NOT supported! |
| 15:39.25 | greycat | I've never attempted to use the -free one. I don't think most people bother. |
| 15:39.29 | pts0 | well i thought that was it |
| 15:39.45 | pts0 | debian 9 on xen is giving me systemd-logind: got pause for ... |
| 15:39.50 | pts0 | in the X log |
| 15:40.06 | pts0 | seems like a race condition...so i sometimes get the gui and sometimes dont |
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| 15:45.07 | bernyrd | hello |
| 15:45.11 | bernyrd | have problem x2goclient |
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| 15:45.23 | bernyrd | server and client run debian, try to connect with xfce4 session |
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| 15:45.40 | bernyrd | was working but after power failure not work, goes from "starting" to "finished" |
| 15:46.38 | bernyrd | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/390242/x2go-terminates-session-immediately-to-xfce-x2go-server |
| 15:46.41 | bernyrd | I found that but it doesn't help |
| 15:46.49 | bernyrd | I can't get debug from x2goclient |
| 15:47.00 | bernyrd | I can work around if I can launch X virtually even if I can not see it |
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| 15:51.00 | jhutchins_wk | bernyrd: Is the problem with the client or the server? |
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| 15:52.56 | bernyrd | no idea I think it is a server issue |
| 15:53.11 | bernyrd | trying to ubuntu server now |
| 15:53.25 | bernyrd | server issue |
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| 15:53.29 | bernyrd | other servers work ok |
| 15:54.20 | bernyrd | ok for now I am luck, I able to start qemu with xvfb-run |
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| 16:05.38 | Barabacha | how can I update the terminal? I'm using Mate terminal |
| 16:06.26 | jhutchins_wk | Barabacha: What do you mean by "update"? |
| 16:06.56 | Barabacha | get a newer version |
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| 16:08.56 | d3l3k_ | Barabacha: which debian version are you using? |
| 16:09.03 | jhutchins_wk | Generally apt upgrade will give you the latest package. |
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| 16:09.20 | jhutchins_wk | Barabacha: What do you need something newer for? |
| 16:10.06 | Barabacha | Debian 9.9 |
| 16:10.23 | Barabacha | Ctrl-[ doesn't work in Vim |
| 16:10.28 | Barabacha | updating the terminal helped |
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| 16:12.02 | d3l3k_ | does it work for another terminal? |
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| 16:12.22 | greycat | Ctrl-[ is ESC |
| 16:12.36 | d3l3k_ | another terminal emulator* such as gnome-terminal |
| 16:12.45 | greycat | I don't know what you expected Ctrl-[ to do, but perhaps you're mixing it up with something else. |
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| 16:13.07 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, what packages do i need fot GLUT opengl programming and opencl ? |
| 16:14.11 | EdePopede | what is the "GPT name"? i hope not that insanely long UUID. |
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| 16:15.08 | petn-randall | EdePopede: What is the context? |
| 16:15.23 | EdePopede | petn-randall: persistence |
| 16:21.10 | Barabacha | greycat: to exit insert mode in vim, it started to work once I updated the terminal |
| 16:25.17 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, which packages do i need for glut programming ? |
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| 16:29.33 | bernyrd | gluttony is not good rocketmagnet please reconsider |
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| 16:30.27 | nifker | e.g glfw is recommeded nowadays |
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| 16:48.51 | kidnextdoor | ahah build finished |
| 16:49.03 | kidnextdoor | i have the best linux. |
| 16:49.12 | Habbie | we all have the best linux |
| 16:49.43 | kidnextdoor | no, but i have my own, nobody have it like mine |
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| 16:50.40 | annadane | debian is the best linux. (: |
| 16:50.58 | annadane | most packages, developers, strong policy, social contract... |
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| 16:51.04 | kidnextdoor | steam came to change the world |
| 16:51.17 | kidnextdoor | the only thing that kept people stranded to windows |
| 16:51.23 | kidnextdoor | videogames, now steam is here |
| 16:51.31 | kidnextdoor | no reason at all to use piracy |
| 16:52.02 | kidnextdoor | also i love the fact that this deskptop is made by myself |
| 16:52.07 | kidnextdoor | all installations what i precisely want |
| 16:52.23 | kidnextdoor | thanks also to debin cause let me choose what software to install |
| 16:52.53 | kidnextdoor | im really happy, shout out for all open source communities |
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| 16:56.20 | d3l3k_ | kidnextdoor: which Linux did you build? |
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| 16:58.02 | kidnextdoor | well i didnt built a linux |
| 16:58.17 | kidnextdoor | i installed base debian system with nothing just console |
| 16:58.33 | kidnextdoor | then i installed all the stuff for desktop |
| 16:58.51 | kidnextdoor | im using openbox |
| 16:59.04 | kidnextdoor | for desktop, slim for login |
| 16:59.19 | kidnextdoor | im in love now |
| 17:00.38 | d3l3k_ | haha nice, i did it several times with various distros |
| 17:01.38 | d3l3k_ | my best setup was openbox with some xfce modules like the panel and the power manager |
| 17:01.43 | rocketmagnet | bernyrd: i'm going to use glfw, but i need it for another app i wanted to try |
| 17:01.49 | rocketmagnet | but ty |
| 17:02.17 | rocketmagnet | i write my own application structure |
| 17:03.39 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there a list of Debian related channels on OFTC somewhere? |
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| 17:04.20 | greycat | http://wiki.debian.org/IRC has a list, but I don't know how up to date or complete it is |
| 17:04.25 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: You can just use your IRC client to list all those containing "debian" in them. |
| 17:04.50 | petn-randall | IIRC you can also use some bot for that. |
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| 17:05.24 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, How do I get that list? I've forgotten how to search a server for channels. |
| 17:05.45 | greycat | he was probably thinking of /msg alis list *debian* |
| 17:05.49 | rant | Lady_Aleena: /msg alis help list |
| 17:05.49 | pie3 | how to scrap/parse pdf? |
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| 17:05.52 | greycat | I don't know if OFTC has alis |
| 17:06.22 | rant | Lady_Aleena: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
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| 17:08.04 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you rant. |
| 17:08.53 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena, actual shot: http://paste.debian.net/1086592/ |
| 17:11.36 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you EdePopede. So no debian-libreoffice or debian-perl, hmmm. |
| 17:12.34 | Lady_Aleena | EdePopede, and how did you get that list for my future reference? |
| 17:13.00 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: /quote list *debian* |
| 17:13.16 | EdePopede | and then sorted them |
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| 17:13.57 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you again EdePopede, wait, did you sort in your IRC client or out of your IRC client? |
| 17:13.58 | EdePopede | actually grep'd it out of the log, removed timestamp, sorted |
| 17:14.19 | EdePopede | util-linux, coreutils ;) |
| 17:14.30 | EdePopede | whereever sort and grep are from, can never remember it |
| 17:15.06 | nifker | kidnextdoor: steam is supporting DRM - a reason I wont spend any more cent on it |
| 17:15.07 | greycat | grep is a separate package; sort is in coreutils |
| 17:15.10 | Lady_Aleena | I know what grep and sort are, but I had a feeling that you had to get the list, put it somewhere else, and then munge it. |
| 17:15.33 | EdePopede | i like those user's little helpers |
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| 17:15.38 | kidnextdoor | <nifker> i dont spend a cent on videogames for years no matter the OS |
| 17:16.01 | Lady_Aleena | I may be a dumb blonde, but NOT that dumb of a blonde. |
| 17:16.05 | kidnextdoor | i believe videogames should pay gamers, im the troll that conplains in all forums online for videogames to turn real cash economy |
| 17:16.07 | greycat | kidnextdoor: if you're talking *to* someone, do not put their name inside <angle brackets> |
| 17:16.30 | EdePopede | yep, looks like you'd be citing |
| 17:16.37 | kidnextdoor | greycat>can you teach me? |
| 17:16.38 | greycat | usually <nick> is how an IRC client displays a name, so when you write <nick> foo bar baz you are quoting something that person said |
| 17:16.56 | greycat | just use : or , after the name |
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| 17:17.21 | kidnextdoor | but my middle mouse button paste comes with brackets |
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| 17:17.36 | nifker | I only spend money on some games in sale on GOG |
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| 17:17.52 | kidnextdoor | <nifker> real cash economy is the way believe me |
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| 17:18.47 | nifker | I dont believe into the economy anymore |
| 17:19.03 | EdePopede | so it seems i can logout from the desktop in the live system. now it would be nice to have an option for grub to not even autologin. now, is there such a thing? |
| 17:19.12 | nifker | but real cash economy uses digital processing too |
| 17:19.18 | nifker | so its the same but different |
| 17:19.53 | kidnextdoor | i dont believe in economy neither, but ive got to eat and food costs money so i have no other chance if i dont want to produce my own food |
| 17:20.28 | EdePopede | "i do believe in debian OS, i do believe in GNU..." |
| 17:21.08 | kidnextdoor | guys does anyone knows how to make windows pop up in the mouse position inside openbox using the menu? |
| 17:22.29 | nifker | kidnextdoor: yeah its just there for me I dont place money very high in my life |
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| 17:23.03 | nifker | but I try to spend time on things I think are interesting/fun |
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| 17:38.59 | kidnextdoor | these routers are so vulnerable |
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| 18:04.18 | r0x | Hi |
| 18:05.47 | r0x | I'm using an x86 based debian distro and in order to cross compile a software I want to install a package for armhf. I issued the following command: sudo dpkg --add-architecture armhf && sudo apt-get update but I got an error "Failed to fetch" for armhf based packages |
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| 18:06.33 | petn-randall | r0x: We unfortunately don't support derivatives in here. |
| 18:06.55 | r0x | ok |
| 18:06.56 | petn-randall | r0x: I recommend asking your the support channel of your distro. |
| 18:06.57 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 18:06.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 18:07.51 | somiaj | r0x: that is the generic reply. You need to ask your distro about if this other arch is even supported (for multiarch) or what is needed to setup a cross complier in this distro. |
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| 18:18.03 | Lady_Aleena | head desk, head desk, head desk. |
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| 18:18.49 | diogenes_ | new desk Lady_Aleena ? |
| 18:18.50 | Lady_Aleena | I just did something in KDE that I can't reverse and now my display is crappy. |
| 18:19.33 | diogenes_ | new user try. |
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| 18:22.06 | Lady_Aleena | I need a new DE that is more customizable. KDE is failing spectacularly. |
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| 18:22.47 | somiaj | Have you tried gnome lately? Though I hear cinnimon is quite popular. |
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| 18:23.30 | diogenes_ | xfce is very robust and customizable. |
| 18:23.56 | NicWow | the only issue with xfce is that it looks very old by default. |
| 18:24.00 | Lady_Aleena | Hubby just called, I'll be back in a bit. |
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| 18:38.40 | Lady_Aleena | The thing I don't like with KDE now is that they have themes. I need a DE that I can make look exactly the way I want without having to fight with themes and things. |
| 18:39.18 | Lady_Aleena | I have never liked themes, just give me a way to make me get the look I want. |
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| 18:42.01 | Lady_Aleena | Yep, I either have to do a from scratch install of stretch to not repeat the problems I just created by saying to myself "What does this do?" and doing it, to my deep regret. |
| 18:43.28 | dvs | !windows-mentality |
| 18:43.29 | dpkg | You don't have to reboot every time you change some configuration or if something goes wrong. You can restart a service by doing "/etc/init.d/<service> restart". If there is something wrong in the configuration, it can usually be fixed without reinstalling the entire system. |
| 18:44.15 | Tom-_ | you can change /etc/init.d to service foo restart |
| 18:44.20 | LtL | that's a out-dated factoid |
| 18:44.23 | Tom-_ | i don't want to mess with the bot though |
| 18:46.00 | saskwach | If you really want to blow something away entirely, you can always purge and reinstall the package instead of reinstalling the whole OS. |
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| 18:47.37 | LtL | one word 'backup' ..the end :) |
| 18:47.44 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: I second the recommendation of xfce. I switched to it after kde released 4.0 and pretty much ruined my system.. |
| 18:49.02 | Tom-_ | Lady_Aleena, you should probalby stay with Debian, but Linux Mint Debian Edition might suit you too. It has an officially supported Cinnamon interface, but all other interface can be installed too. (It's really Debian stretch with customisation and extra packages.) |
| 18:49.26 | Tom-_ | but it's not supported here and the mint channels are probably less expert than in here. (most places are less expert than #debian) |
| 18:49.50 | jhutchins_wk | On the other hand, mint has a lot of good documentation. |
| 18:50.09 | jhutchins_wk | Still, I wouldn't switch distros to switch desktops, just install the new desktop. |
| 18:50.30 | Tom-_ | i say stay in Debian too |
| 18:50.33 | Tom-_ | probably |
| 18:52.26 | Lady_Aleena | Tom-_, I am not contemplating switching OSs, just DEs. KDE's display options are so bulky. They are NOT easy to manipulate. So, I need a DE that doesn't have themes, where I can make the task bar any color and font and font size I want. KDE's environment gets in the way now more than ever. |
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| 18:53.16 | Tom-_ | meh i'd just try them out and dismiss them as you would |
| 18:53.19 | Lady_Aleena | If I could find a Windows 95 theme for KDE, I would be set. |
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| 18:53.46 | Tom-_ | moves to scream but looks down at his Windows 95-like MATE taskbar and stays quiet |
| 18:54.35 | Lady_Aleena | But I can't seem to get rid of KDE's Breeze and Breeze-dark from under the Appearance -> Workspace theme -> Look and feel I would be happy. |
| 18:56.39 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry I'm venting so much, but I had KDE looking the way I wanted in Jessie and can't seem to get it back. |
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| 18:57.35 | Lady_Aleena | BRB, I am going to try switching to XFCE. |
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| 19:05.50 | Lady_Aleena | I'm back and in XFCE, but it looks like I already lost my clock. |
| 19:05.56 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Yeah, that was one thing that bugged me about KDE, they offered you "options" that didn't actually work. |
| 19:06.17 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Right click the taskbar, add it back. |
| 19:06.42 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: xfce is a little more "build it yourself", not as preconfigured. |
| 19:06.56 | Lady_Aleena | It is still there, just hidden. |
| 19:08.29 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: what exactly is hidden, maybe you removed it |
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| 19:09.16 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I see the clock as long as I have the clock set up panel open, I close that set up and the clock disappears. |
| 19:09.35 | Lady_Aleena | And it loses all the settings I put in. |
| 19:09.37 | saskwach | IIRC, icewm is a Windows wannabe. |
| 19:10.19 | annadane | it just depends how much complexity you want in a desktop |
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| 19:10.40 | annadane | KDE can do stuff XFCE can't, but, xfce is built around powerful simplicity, just depends what you need |
| 19:10.50 | Lady_Aleena | Well, it looks like the clock does not like being configured. |
| 19:11.23 | annadane | 5.8 has *some* bugs and then you specifically may also have problems because of your upgrade issues |
| 19:12.16 | annadane | that said, anything that changes a lot, like KDE... will on average have more bugs |
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| 19:15.06 | annadane | xfce is certainly my preference of the things i've tried for full desktops (which can offer more functionality that the average user may want compared to a window manager) though i haven't used lxde/qt |
| 19:15.28 | annadane | it has some bugs in stretch but they're pretty minor and probably less show stopping than kde's |
| 19:16.03 | annadane | unfortunately debian's rigorous testing process can't modify upstream packages *too* much so you end up living with certain bugs for 2 years depending on the software |
| 19:16.58 | jhutchins_wk | xfce is simpler and lighter. It doesn't have features like the shared/integrated address book. |
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| 19:17.28 | jhutchins_wk | Still, as of stretch it all pretty much just works, and Debian has picked up most of the packages and plugins. |
| 19:18.25 | annadane | you can't select individual folders to use for wallpaper... that's basically the only xfce bug i've noticed, compare that to KDE's ignoring certain choices which i've seen happen in the past |
| 19:18.38 | annadane | which is not to hate on KDE, i'm sure it's fine, but... |
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| 19:19.28 | kinky_nekoboi | any coreboot on KGPE-D16 user here by chance ? |
| 19:20.34 | annadane | i just really like a lot of what xfce has to offer |
| 19:20.45 | annadane | and i don't find i want to use anything else |
| 19:20.46 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: That bug was supposed to be fixed. |
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| 19:20.58 | annadane | well, in stretch it's a bug |
| 19:21.04 | annadane | probably in buster it will have been fixed |
| 19:21.44 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, I think it's fixed. I'm on a VM here, but I reported and worked with the debian dev. |
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| 19:23.16 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: Yeah, select folder, other and you get a normal file browse dialog box. |
| 19:23.22 | annadane | and cinnamon is bloat city and i don't like how MATE looks so yeah, i guess i'll be (one of?) the perennial xfce users |
| 19:23.37 | jhutchins_wk | Let me check to see if it's a backport... |
| 19:23.51 | annadane | no, if you do that a bunch of folders are greyed out |
| 19:24.09 | annadane | you only get access to top level folders |
| 19:24.45 | jhutchins_wk | Are you up to date? |
| 19:24.48 | annadane | yep |
| 19:25.17 | annadane | this is having installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies and i don't know of any other xfce packages i'd need for that |
| 19:25.57 | jhutchins_wk | Dang, I thought we had that fixed. |
| 19:26.11 | dvs | files another bug! |
| 19:26.17 | annadane | point being, it's pretty minor as bugs go |
| 19:26.18 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, it locks to file type "Image Files", and folders aren't image filles. |
| 19:26.37 | annadane | and anyway i just like having panels by default |
| 19:26.43 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, now I've got to check my home system... |
| 19:26.52 | annadane | and xfce's application suite and their sane defaults and all that |
| 19:27.24 | jhutchins_wk | ... which I can't because of course I don't have a vnc set up. |
| 19:27.35 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, wait, I can check the package... |
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| 19:29.10 | jhutchins_wk | ,v xfdesktop4 |
| 19:29.11 | judd | Package: xfdesktop4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.2-3; stretch: 4.12.3-3; buster: 4.12.4-2; sid: 4.12.4-2; experimental: 4.13.3-1 |
| 19:29.12 | Lady_Aleena | I think I will pop over to #xfce to see if they can give me tips on how to get a few little things done that I would like to do. |
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| 19:30.50 | annadane | complexity can be good but there's something to be said for simplicity by design unless you need to complicate things for specific reasons |
| 19:31.07 | annadane | takes off philosophical hat |
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| 19:32.59 | Lady_Aleena | ,v xfce |
| 19:33.00 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64. |
| 19:33.06 | annadane | ,v xfce4 |
| 19:33.07 | dvs | ,v xfce4 |
| 19:33.08 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5 |
| 19:33.09 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5 |
| 19:33.12 | dvs | ha! |
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| 19:33.32 | kidnextdoor | guys where i can find my xorg.conf is not in stc/x11/ |
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| 19:33.56 | dvs | kidnextdoor, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d perhaps? |
| 19:34.06 | LtL | kidnextdoor: by default debian doesn't need one anymore |
| 19:34.55 | d3l3k_ | hi, does anyone have any clues about high-storage debian dedicated server/VPS providers on the web? |
| 19:34.57 | kidnextdoor | hmm so how can i change some stuff in nvidia setting to control my fan? |
| 19:35.22 | kidnextdoor | i have to add cool bits 12 |
| 19:36.12 | jhutchins_wk | kidnextdoor: Possibly in the power manager. |
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| 19:37.03 | kidnextdoor | i have to add cool bits 12 to xorg.conf file so i can be able to setup overclock via nvidia-settings |
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| 19:42.55 | Amarande | okay, on stretch, what package am i missing |
| 19:43.21 | dvs | kidnextdoor, create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory, cd to that directory, run "Xorg -configure", delete everything except for the section that the "cool bits 12" is supposed to belong to and add the cool bits 12 to it |
| 19:43.22 | Amarande | trying to follow this guide to rip audio cds using konqueror and it's not giving me the audio cd browser (only the video dvd browser) and audiocd:// is claiming invalid url |
| 19:43.30 | Amarande | presumably im missing a package, but which? |
| 19:43.42 | Amarande | or does debian not include the Audio CD browser with KDE for some reason? |
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| 19:44.16 | Amarande | abcde is worthless because apparently musicbrainz changed their protocol so unless i wanna manually rename all the output, yeah. :p |
| 19:44.39 | kidnextdoor | wait i found another file i can configure |
| 19:44.46 | kidnextdoor | 20-nvidia.conf |
| 19:44.51 | Amarande | anyway, which package on stretch adds the audio cd browser function to konquerer? |
| 19:44.53 | Amarande | *konqueror |
| 19:44.54 | kidnextdoor | but is not in the folder is suuposed to be |
| 19:45.37 | kidnextdoor | meaning /etc/x11/xor.gonf.d/ |
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| 19:45.48 | dvs | kidnextdoor, it needs to be in that /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory (create it if it's not there) |
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| 19:50.01 | ikella | test from ERC |
| 19:50.06 | dvs | !test |
| 19:50.07 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 19:50.22 | ikella | lol |
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| 19:59.58 | Tom-_ | dpkg, mac? |
| 19:59.59 | dpkg | [mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>. |
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| 20:00.45 | Tom-_ | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso I have 32 bit EFI on a very old Imac, but I want to install a 64 bit OS. It has a 64 bit CPU. Does this image let me do that? |
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| 20:01.38 | Tom-_ | maybe https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ i'm gonna try it |
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| 20:02.26 | Tom-_ | the 32 bit UEFI Debian works on it fine, and I crossgraded to 64 bit but i'm unsure if I fully got that working |
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| 20:03.13 | kinky_nekoboi | Tom-_, there are some tutorials online howto change the efi to a 64bit óne .. at least for the mac pro |
| 20:04.04 | Tom-_ | okay. that didn't come up in my research on this system |
| 20:04.18 | Tom-_ | and it's an imac, so i'm gonna try the disc first |
| 20:04.36 | dvs | what color? |
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| 20:06.16 | Tom-_ | white, it's a late 2006 or 2007 imac I think, 6,1 |
| 20:06.33 | dvs | oh, it's incompatible. ;-) |
| 20:06.43 | Tom-_ | incompatible with what exactly? |
| 20:06.55 | dvs | white. It only works with red. ;-P |
| 20:07.04 | Tom-_ | :P |
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| 20:07.48 | Tom-_ | oh i guess a USB stick would be easier, i think i have a spare one I can format GPT |
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| 20:08.28 | dvs | can't you just write the iso image directly to the USB stick? |
| 20:08.58 | jhutchins_wk | Not having installed on a mac in about ten years, I don't think formatting the installer media is a thing. You copy the iso to the device, it is a whole already-formatted filesystem. |
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| 20:13.20 | Tom-_ | jhutchins_wk, dvs, will try thanks |
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| 20:14.01 | Tom-_ | also how are you supposed to install grub-efi-ia32 and grub-pc at the same time? the instructions I was reading required grub-efi-ia32 to be installed. |
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| 20:16.49 | dvs | grub-pc is old |
| 20:18.08 | Tom-_ | !old |
| 20:18.56 | Tom-_ | anyway, it's not noticing the USB stick, which is what I expected. I read that this firmware only knows EFI 1.1, and booting from GPT-formatted USB mass storage devices, and DOS MBR as a backup |
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| 20:19.47 | dvs | it's GPT that has the MBR boot read-only |
| 20:19.51 | Tom-_ | i'll try holding the alt key like the instructions said |
| 20:19.55 | Tom-_ | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBook/2-1 |
| 20:21.26 | Tom-_ | dvs, I'm sorry, but I don't know what MBR boot read-only means |
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| 20:21.53 | Tom-_ | i used alt and it's not showing my USB device in the list of options, it just says Windows, by which it means my broken Debian installation |
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| 20:22.55 | dvs | What I mean is that a GPT formatted USB already has MBR on it, but it's read only. |
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| 20:24.58 | magnulu | anyone can recommend a lightweight cli-only live image? debian-based of course |
| 20:25.42 | Habbie | magnulu, cli-only or bootable to cli? |
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| 20:26.15 | magnulu | I only need cli, and I am on a slow connection... but I am open to suggestions on both :) |
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| 20:26.56 | Habbie | magnulu, right - i don't have a lot to suggest but grml has served me well at a decent size for disk recovery purposes in the past; it comes with GUI but i never booted it |
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| 20:27.13 | magnulu | thanks a lot, will check it out |
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| 20:31.16 | Tom-_ | but is a GPT formatted Debian install USB stick a possibility? |
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| 20:31.39 | dvs | it already is |
| 20:33.55 | Tom-_ | you mean the Debian 9.9 iso i already downloaded? it doesn't boot or show up in the boot menu if I press alt |
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| 20:34.50 | dvs | Tom-_, what command did you use to copy the .iso to the USB stick? |
| 20:34.58 | Tom-_ | mintstick |
| 20:35.49 | Tom-_ | I wrote debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso to it, and now it has a boot/grub but only 64 bit EFI grub |
| 20:35.52 | Rubin | so I saw that exim has a RCE (arbitrary eval()) vulnerability announced today.. |
| 20:35.58 | Rubin | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-10149 |
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| 20:36.39 | dvs | oh I see. I"m not sure how to make a 32-bit EFI. |
| 20:36.50 | Rubin | but it seems my mail server running exim4-daemon-heavy is stuck on deb9u3 because libmariadbclient18 is required to be a later version than is available |
| 20:37.04 | Rubin | so the security update is being held up .. i wonder who to tell? |
| 20:37.25 | Tom-_ | dvs, okay. but are you telling me the Debian ISO images should be bootable by something that only recognises GPT? because i didn't think it was that way |
| 20:38.13 | HelloShitty | Hello |
| 20:38.15 | dvs | Tom-_, no, it boots with EFI or MBR. It just depends on what the computer is set to load. |
| 20:38.25 | HelloShitty | I need help with the following command that is not working |
| 20:38.30 | Tom-_ | accoding to https://mattgadient.com/2016/07/11/linux-dvd-images-and-how-to-for-32-bit-efi-macs-late-2006-models/ i can use the debia-mac image on CD, I will try that |
| 20:38.42 | HelloShitty | sudo mount -t cifs -o uid=$(id -u),gid=$(id -G) //192.168.1.70/share/media_rw/sda1/rtorrent/Downloads /media/smb_rtorrent/ |
| 20:39.07 | HelloShitty | The output is simply the usage menu help of comman mount |
| 20:39.15 | HelloShitty | can't see where am I going wrong |
| 20:40.05 | petn-randall | HelloShitty: That usually means that you got the syntax wrong. It will also usually tell you what exactly in the first line of output. |
| 20:40.26 | HelloShitty | not in this case |
| 20:40.38 | HelloShitty | just showed possible options |
| 20:40.56 | azeem_ | HelloShitty: id -G outputs a lot of stuff on my box |
| 20:41.02 | azeem_ | probably that confuses the parser? |
| 20:41.10 | HelloShitty | hum, ok |
| 20:41.11 | HelloShitty | I see |
| 20:41.22 | petn-randall | yep |
| 20:41.24 | HelloShitty | It needs to be small caps |
| 20:41.27 | HelloShitty | g |
| 20:41.47 | petn-randall | So does it work now? |
| 20:41.47 | Lady_Aleena | ponders smashing her head against something harder than her desk. |
| 20:42.31 | Tom-_ | my head is harder than your disk! |
| 20:42.35 | Tom-_ | desk. whatever |
| 20:42.59 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Be patient with yourself, there's always a learning curve. |
| 20:44.17 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, well, a hexcaht config that I had is gone, a kolourpaint config I had is not working, and I guess I will have to live with a sloppy applications menu in xfce for now. And all this will probably change again in a couple of months. |
| 20:44.24 | dvs | and record the successful results |
| 20:44.52 | Tom-_ | your hexchat config shouldn't be deleted... |
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| 20:46.37 | HelloShitty | yes, it works now |
| 20:46.41 | HelloShitty | Thanks, peeps |
| 20:47.51 | petn-randall | yay \o/ |
| 20:48.19 | dvs | darn! |
| 20:49.53 | Lady_Aleena | DAMN! My hexchat problem is probably related to my perl problem. |
| 20:50.35 | humpled | ahem |
| 20:50.58 | dvs | wat izit maaaan? |
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| 20:54.20 | magnulu | Habbie: grml is great! thanks :-) |
| 20:54.29 | Lady_Aleena | Why does Debian NOT take into consideration that some people need to most recent version of perl modules and make it so that when perl is upgraded that those same people have a ~/perl5/lib/perl5 that may need to be updated for the new version of perl? |
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| 20:56.12 | Tom-_ | the debian-mac iso is working so far whoooooo |
| 20:56.17 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: because updates are a system thing and has to keep off $HOME |
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| 20:57.08 | Lady_Aleena | Well, the update added things to ~/perl5/lib/perl5 during the update. |
| 20:57.31 | EdePopede | :o |
| 20:57.50 | Lady_Aleena | ,v MenuLibre |
| 20:57.51 | judd | No package named 'MenuLibre' was found in amd64. |
| 20:58.17 | Lady_Aleena | ,v menulibre |
| 20:58.19 | judd | Package: menulibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.6-1; stretch: 2.0.7-1.1; buster: 2.2.0-2; sid: 2.2.0-2 |
| 20:58.19 | EdePopede | ,v menulibre |
| 20:58.20 | judd | Package: menulibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.6-1; stretch: 2.0.7-1.1; buster: 2.2.0-2; sid: 2.2.0-2 |
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| 20:58.34 | Tom-_ | i'm geeking out over this, the Debian strikes again :-) |
| 20:58.35 | EdePopede | case sensitive, good to know |
| 20:59.35 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: You might try irssi. IRC is a text medium, a text client makes good sense. Less to go wrong, text configuration file. |
| 21:00.02 | EdePopede | Lady_Aleena: is it possible that it happened during your first login after the update? happened to me for a test user with some scripting stuff, new dotdir appeared with at least some shell scripts. |
| 21:00.07 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I tried irssi, and it is hard on my eyes. |
| 21:00.57 | Tom-_ | there's weechat, but i don't mind if you use hexchat. your custom Perl installation is gonna be sensitive to underlying OS changes though :) |
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| 21:01.22 | shellclear | hi everyone, In the last weeks debian always make filesystem checks at boot. I already checked fstab configuration and ran tune2fs against all filesystems but I didn't find any issues. I recorded the output with asciinema -> https://asciinema.org/a/88XiNagnAexuOIovqnsDoyIjg I'll be grateful if someone could help me to solve this. |
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| 21:02.42 | Lady_Aleena | perl5/lib/perl5/5.24.1 was created on June 3 during the upgrade. |
| 21:02.47 | petn-randall | shellclear: Does it make a full check because the filesystem is marked dirty? Because if it was cleanly unmounted the fsck should be very quick. |
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| 21:08.15 | shellclear | petn-randall: fsck verify / and /vm and the checking is always very quick but is annoying always to have press ctrl+c each boot |
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| 21:11.41 | shellclear | petn-randall: answering your first question, / and /vm are clean -> https://paste.debian.net/1086655/ |
| 21:13.34 | Habbie | magnulu, wonderful :) |
| 21:15.55 | karlpinc | shellclear: Do you have a fsck.mode parameter on your kernel command line? (in /etc/default/grub IIRC.) |
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| 21:18.38 | Lady_Aleena | Well, it looks like XFCE is out, I left my computer for a few minutes, and when I came back my display wouldn't wake back up. |
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| 21:19.42 | Lady_Aleena | I really hate having to shut down my computer by the power button. Also, startx did NOT autostart upon reboot, I had to do it manually. |
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| 21:21.31 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, I seem to remember XFCE doing that to me with one of the versions. It was in the last two years or so. I don't think it has happened within recent times. |
| 21:21.49 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, I seem to remember it being related to having my mouse and keyboard plugged into my monitor. |
| 21:22.16 | EdePopede | usb via monitor? |
| 21:22.23 | maxrazer | Yes, USB via monitor. |
| 21:22.46 | maxrazer | I think it wouldn't happen if I plugged the mouse and keyboard in directly. I know I came here and mentioned it a long while back. |
| 21:22.50 | EdePopede | i'd guess that the info from the kbd/mouse doesn't reach the PC anymore |
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| 21:23.26 | maxrazer | However, I still plug the mouse/keyboard into the monitor and don't have that problem in recent times with XFCE. I've used stable, unstable and testing. |
| 21:23.28 | Lady_Aleena | So, if I continue to use XFCE do I have to stay at my keyboard the entire time and shutdown every time I want to walk away from my computer so I don't have to start over by the power button? |
| 21:23.58 | maxrazer | Are you using Debian Stable? |
| 21:24.09 | Lady_Aleena | I'm on stretch. |
| 21:24.16 | EdePopede | maxrazer: did you ever try connecting a disk to the monitor and copying over some big file? would be interesting to see if it stops or not even starts the sleep |
| 21:24.17 | maxrazer | I'm currently using Debian testing with DWM for the window manager. |
| 21:24.26 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: I'm on stretch too, with xfce and it works fine. |
| 21:24.55 | maxrazer | EdePopede, No. I don't remember if I figured more out to the problem. I know it started with the mouse and keyboard connected to the monitor, but it may have been some other factor I figured out too. |
| 21:25.17 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, Do you connect your mouse keyboard to the monitor or some hub, or is it connected directly? |
| 21:25.19 | Lady_Aleena | I am now thinking I should have just nuked my drive and did a fresh install of Stretch. The dist-upgrade has been nothing but problems on top of problems. |
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| 21:25.34 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, usb hub because I can't reach the back of my computer. |
| 21:26.03 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, Yeah, I think it has some relation to the hub based on my memory about the problem I had with my monitor. However, I haven't had that problem in recent times. |
| 21:26.26 | maxrazer | I also turn my monitor off as a way of turning off the mouse and keyboard lights. |
| 21:27.10 | Lady_Aleena | I left music playing and it kept playing while I was afk, but I couldn't get my display back up. |
| 21:27.23 | shellclear | karlpinc: not, just default options. |
| 21:28.03 | maxrazer | There is also the LXQT desktop environment. |
| 21:28.52 | maxrazer | It might have something to do with the screensaver or power manager. |
| 21:28.59 | shellclear | would be something related with cryptsetup? I have a crypt partition > lvm > ext4? |
| 21:29.06 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, Did you customize the desktop environment, or just an install and select XFCE? |
| 21:29.31 | maxrazer | I think it might happen due to some incompatability with the screen lock or screen saver or login manager. Trying to remember. |
| 21:29.34 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, I just started using XFCE today. |
| 21:29.58 | Lady_Aleena | I am thinking about purging the kde-desktop and reintalling. |
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| 21:30.07 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, Yes, but did you change the screen lock application or login manager or anything else that controls access to XFCE? |
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| 21:30.35 | maxrazer | I can't remember if I figure it out. There seem to be similar bugs reported about XFCE going years back. |
| 21:30.39 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, no, |
| 21:31.14 | maxrazer | Well, unless the KDE installed a login manager or screensaver that doesn't work with XFCE. |
| 21:31.31 | maxrazer | I seem to remember running into a problem like that. |
| 21:31.42 | jmichel | Does someone know if the option "-maintmode" is actually doing anything for a2ensite / a2dissite / etc. ? |
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| 21:32.47 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know what I'm going to do, but if anything else is broken, I may nuke it and start over and NEVER do a dist-upgrade again. |
| 21:32.47 | maxrazer | People are reporting problems like this as recent as Aug-2018 |
| 21:32.48 | jmichel | I found the option "-quiet" doing what I expect. But, as I am using that from postinst/postrm in a .deb, I am wondering about. |
| 21:33.10 | maxrazer | I like the DWM window manager. I suggest trying LXQT. |
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| 21:33.52 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: optional, apt show xfce4-power-manager might be some help. xfce has always needed extra packages to make it better that are optional. |
| 21:33.53 | annadane | dwm needs a newbie manual :P |
| 21:34.14 | maxrazer | I also suggest total fresh install when choosing desktop environment. |
| 21:34.20 | ska | Can I use SFP ports in debian as I do ethernet ? |
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| 21:34.39 | ska | I don't see many sfp online docs in google. |
| 21:35.02 | maxrazer | I've run into other bugs with XFCE that are anoying recently though, not the wake from sleep problem in recent times. |
| 21:35.21 | maxrazer | I also heard XFCE could become obsolete because it isn't keeping up with current libraries like GTK3. |
| 21:35.45 | maxrazer | So, I'd think go with LXQT. Or some minimal window manager. |
| 21:36.09 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, http://paste.debian.net/1086661/ |
| 21:37.38 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: i've seen that, yes. it's not installed, what's your point? |
| 21:38.17 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I though you wanted to see the results of xfce4-power-manager |
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| 21:38.56 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: already saw it, meant to be a suggestion for you to install. |
| 21:38.58 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, You did dist-upgrade from debian 8 to 9? |
| 21:40.00 | Lady_Aleena | Ltt, it shows it is installed, xfce4-power-manager is already the newest version (1.4.4-4). |
| 21:40.36 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: my mistake, so have you used it? |
| 21:40.44 | Lady_Aleena | Ltl, not yet |
| 21:40.58 | LtL | advise you to look it over |
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| 21:41.05 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: I'm not following along. Is there any indication in a log or anywhere as to what the actual problem is or are you poking it with a stick and hoping that it then works? |
| 21:41.30 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, I don't know what I'm doing now. |
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| 21:42.55 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Sometimes it can make sense to take a shot in the dark and hope your problem goes away but usually the first step is to figure out exactly what your problem is. Are there any indications of trouble in dmesg or the system logs or the X logs? |
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| 21:45.02 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: seriously, bite the bullet and do a fresh install or you'll be playing whack-a-mole forever. |
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| 21:45.23 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, This is a dist-upgrade from version 8 to 9? |
| 21:45.25 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: FWIW, I try to stay far away from the propietary drivers because, unlike what comes with debian, their support runs out and then you have to do "something different". I realize this is not always an option, or best for everybody. |
| 21:45.55 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, ye |
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| 21:47.34 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: LtL has a point. If you install a lot of non-debian stuff then upgrades between releases can fail and you can be better off going back to the old MS Windows way and erasing the disk and starting over. I stay away from non-debian stuff and find upgrading much easier than re-installing. |
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| 21:47.56 | maxrazer | I might quickly try apt update and apt full-upgrade and apt upgrade to see if anything else isntalls. |
| 21:48.01 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Of course, starting over means re-installing whatever non-debian stuff you need. |
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| 21:50.46 | karlpinc | maxrazer: I don't know your expertise but, just saying, a dist-upgrade is not the right way to upgrade major releases. The right way is to follow the instructions in the release notes. Otherwise, you get issues. |
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| 21:51.11 | maxrazer | sudo gdm3 -reset |
| 21:52.22 | maxrazer | Are you using Xscreensaver? |
| 21:52.51 | maxrazer | I seem to remember Xscreensaver not being compatible with some login manager or something. |
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| 21:56.40 | LtL | karlpinc: she had a jessie system with about ~80-100 backported packages, it took removing over 100 packages to get dist-upgrade not to error out. Then awhile to configure nividia with debian packages, blacklisting nouveau. Starting over would take a fraction of the time she's spent in the last three days. |
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| 21:57.42 | maxrazer | Also installing the nvidia-driver and generating an xorg config file and saving it would probably be a good idea. |
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| 21:59.16 | maxrazer | saving it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:00.00 | LtL | a dude from #nvidia stopped in and saved the day, i don't recall if he used xorg.conf or not maxrazer, but it wasn't too difficult. we could get it done again. |
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| 22:00.45 | LtL | all the removed packages threw the box into disarray imho. |
| 22:00.59 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I think I have one thing fixed, but another things is still not fixed, but I took that issue to the proper channel. |
| 22:02.26 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: have you found the power settings? to fix the afk business? |
| 22:02.58 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, not yet, but I think I have the perl issue on the right path to be fixed. |
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| 22:03.30 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: progress is good :) |
| 22:04.12 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, yes, it is, and the perl issue weighed me down heavily for the last day or so. |
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| 22:07.52 | Lady_Aleena | I need to restart hexchat, brb. |
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| 22:20.07 | Lady_Aleena | Now, do I want to work on the display wake up issue or the booting not putting me directly into a DE issue? |
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| 22:20.43 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, What happens when you boot up? That might be a clue. The display/login manager. |
| 22:20.53 | Lady_Aleena | Well, booting bypassing the command line login prompt and taking me directly to the DE log in prompt. |
| 22:21.22 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: i have those nvidia intructions whenever/if ever you decide on the nuclear option. carry on :) And to quote the guy who fixed your nvidia issues "2019-06-04 17:29:08 Primer Well, I feel my job is done. Note you still have no xorg.conf! Don't let anyone tell you you need one!" |
| 22:21.24 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, I have to log in to the command prompt then run startx. I would like to bypass that. |
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| 22:21.58 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, Well normally you would just add the start command for you DE/WM to your .xinitrc. |
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| 22:22.21 | maxrazer | When you install a DE it normally does it automatically, but I think through a different place. |
| 22:22.42 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I was thinking about asking Primer to write it up somewhere (maybe in a blog), and I could read it whenever I need it. |
| 22:23.06 | maxrazer | startxfce4 in the .xinitrc. check the command exists. |
| 22:23.09 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: i have it all. |
| 22:23.42 | maxrazer | did you install XFCE4 using task-xcefe4-desktop or whatever? |
| 22:23.47 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, paste.debian.net it, and I will put it in my notes. |
| 22:24.26 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, I installed it back on Jessie and did not use it, so when I upgraded, it must have upgraded to. |
| 22:25.06 | maxrazer | What DE did yo uuse on Jessie and what login/display manager? |
| 22:25.08 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, as long as I can get to a command prompt, I can read my notes. |
| 22:25.36 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, I used KDE but I don't remember what login/display manager I used. |
| 22:26.15 | Lady_Aleena | But let me look at .xinitrc. |
| 22:26.58 | maxrazer | Probably KDM then. KDE display manager. |
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| 22:28.15 | Lady_Aleena | I do not appear to have an .xinitrc file. |
| 22:28.36 | somiaj | .xsession is better to use on debian anyways. |
| 22:29.08 | Lady_Aleena | I do have .xsessionrc |
| 22:29.49 | humpled | no systemd? |
| 22:30.08 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: sorry took so long, http://paste.debian.net/1086666/ |
| 22:30.25 | maxrazer | Lady_Aleena, Is this a desktop computer? I'm just curious why upgradeing a version behind. |
| 22:30.30 | somiaj | I htink .xsession is prefered, what is in .xsessionrc |
| 22:30.47 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, yes, it is a desktop, and why do you say I am a version behind now? |
| 22:31.00 | maxrazer | I mean really late to upgrade. Since 10 is about to come out. |
| 22:31.16 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, export LC_COLLATE=C # is the only line |
| 22:31.44 | Lady_Aleena | maxrazer, because I had a bad feeling things like what I am going through now would happen, and I put it off. |
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| 22:33.19 | maxrazer | Unfortunately with linux it seems the less complex of a setup the more likely it is to work so going minimalist works out the best. |
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| 22:34.55 | Lady_Aleena | humpled, I should have systemd |
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| 22:36.53 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Not sure what sources that file, but I would assume that export (if actually needed) would be better placed elsewhere. |
| 22:37.08 | humpled | 'normally' the desktop (login) manager is a systemd service, you tell it what session (desktop) to load with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:37.15 | roylaprattep | someone can give me the link to do the jessie to stretch properly pls |
| 22:37.15 | somiaj | I missed yoru actual question, but if you are trying to configure what desktop startx or the 'default session' uses on debian, the .xsession file is prefered |
| 22:37.22 | somiaj | !xsession |
| 22:37.23 | dpkg | Debian uses ~/.xsession for startx(1) as well as *most* Display Manager logins. See https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 22:37.33 | roylaprattep | dpkg: jessie to stretch |
| 22:37.33 | dpkg | roylaprattep: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:37.48 | humpled | i don't have .xession, i have lightdm |
| 22:37.56 | somiaj | !tell roylaprattep about jessie->stretch |
| 22:38.06 | roylaprattep | thx somiaj :) |
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| 22:38.18 | Lady_Aleena | Hold on everyone for just a minute. |
| 22:38.38 | somiaj | if you don't have .xsession it will use the system default which can be set via the alternatives system, and many desktops will give you a menu and you can choose between multiple sessions. |
| 22:38.42 | humpled | there's usually a good reason why people are not doing things the obvious way :D |
| 22:39.41 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I also have the line "export LC_COLLATE=C" in my .bashrc too. |
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| 22:40.04 | maxrazer | The upgrade from one stable to the next should work, but these desktop environments don't seem to be very compatible I think. |
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| 22:40.23 | roylaprattep | should i use full-upgrade or dist-upgrades its confusing |
| 22:40.23 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you can probably safely remove that .xsessionrc file you have |
| 22:40.32 | maxrazer | If you keep a single DE installed and upgrade to the next distro with the same one I think there would be no problem. maybe. |
| 22:40.43 | somiaj | roylaprattep: apt uses full-upgrade apt-get uses dist-upgrade |
| 22:40.48 | somiaj | also aptitude uses full-upgrade |
| 22:40.56 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, it could be a remnant from wheezy for all I know. |
| 22:40.56 | roylaprattep | ok |
| 22:41.08 | maxrazer | full-upgrade is for apt, dist-upgrade is apt-get, right |
| 22:41.15 | roylaprattep | thx |
| 22:41.16 | somiaj | Yup, they do the same thing |
| 22:41.25 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: this should start X, assuming you're systemd. 'systemctl set-default graphical.target' |
| 22:41.30 | maxrazer | I think apt can even recognize dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:41.47 | maxrazer | If you have a login manager installed I think it will run automatically. |
| 22:41.50 | roylaprattep | im an apt-get guy |
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| 22:42.49 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:43.29 | maxrazer | what does "/etc/X11/default-display-manager" give you? |
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| 22:44.03 | maxrazer | and is that display manager installed? |
| 22:44.19 | Lady_Aleena | It's /usr/bin/sddm |