IRC log for #debian on 20190608

00:00.09kskeh, this looks totally wrong to me. fe80:: should never be the default gw?
00:01.17jcb2016__looks like im getting an ipv6 ip though
00:01.29ksk(as its a so called link-local-address, which is similar to the 127.0.0.0/8 loopback ranges)
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00:02.19magic_ninjaSo I getta build another control system on linux. I'm kinda stoked.
00:03.47jcb2016__ksk, LtL somiaj i gotta go battery is about to die i got like 1 sec left
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00:23.09LaScoumouneHi all
00:23.21dvszzzzzzzzzzzz
00:23.26LaScoumounelol
00:24.15LaScoumounei have a question with card SD "SDXC" debian support this type ? And how can i see if my hardware is compatible. That extfat
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00:27.03dvstry and mount the card?
00:27.26Daggerksk: I'm a little late here, but no, link-local as gateway is normal
00:28.08kskuh okay. In a server environment I worked with, it was not iirc.
00:28.09Daggerlink-local is closer to 169.254.0.0/16 than loopback (being as that's the link-local range in v4), with the main difference being that v6 link-local is always available rather than just when DHCP fails
00:28.16LaScoumounei have buy card sdxc in the past but that was dont work. Maybe because i have use an adapter usb/sd i dont know
00:28.24kskDagger: thanks!
00:28.44LaScoumounebut i have read some doc about "sdxc" and that say, Os & hardware compatible after 2008
00:28.57Daggerstatic config is often done using the global address, but autoconfig will be link-local. your server was probably statically configured
00:28.59LaScoumounebut all is possible with debian so
00:29.09kskindeed. okay.
00:29.14dvsLaScoumoune, yeah, the hardware has to support SDXC in order for linux to support it
00:30.07LaScoumounesorry for my english:)
00:30.10LaScoumouneok dvs
00:31.08LaScoumouneso debian support it, but if my interne card reader don't read sdxc that don't work
00:31.58dvsyes
00:33.16LaScoumouneokay that clear now
00:33.39LaScoumouneso i do find what type my internal card reader is
00:34.21LaScoumounehow can i show a detail with the shell for my intern card reader ?
00:34.54LaScoumouneis like usb hardware ?
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00:36.29LtLlshw as root
00:38.18LaScoumounelshw/stable 02.18-0.1 ? ok i test that thank
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01:29.38H0rny_Girl_98I will start my Live Show in 10 minutes. Fastest people will join my Private Live for FREE! Be among the first 5 people to write me "FREE INVITE" on my CAM room: http://snip.li/Y9uLM
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01:32.47melpyis it 2006 right now
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01:43.17mlt-How can I enable core dumps for PostgreSQL service? I have sudo sed -i '2 a/ulimit -c unlimited -S/' /etc/init.d/postgresql echo /tmp/core.%p.sig%s.%ts | sudo tee -a /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern , but still no core dumps produced :(
01:44.02mlt-I mean those were 2 separate commands...
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02:12.29AKHow to set default browser in debian?
02:12.42AKexcept $BROWSER
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02:14.19mlt-AK: through alternatives?
02:14.46AKmlt-: I'm on dwm. no DE
02:14.54Unit193update-alternatives --config x-www-browser  likely the same for gnome-www-browser
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02:17.26AKUnit193: did samething  and now gonna check it if it works. it was already set to google-chrome which I want
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03:37.25agrisHello, I'm having some serious errata with my INIT system and I've recorded it. Would someone mind telling me if i'm doing something wrong, or if this is indeed insane system behavior?
03:37.31agrishttps://0x0.st/zuuJ.mkv
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03:49.03somiajAK: also look at xdg-mime, it has a browser setting for xdg-open which some apps will use
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03:51.36somiajAK: https://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser -- it is xdg-settings (this as a browser setting) and xdg-mime can set the application for say html mime type.
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07:00.35boubai have pron in the boot   Running /scripts/local-block.... done?
07:00.50bouba-n  +b
07:02.26klysbouba, right there it should be checking your disk.
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07:02.47boubablkid?
07:04.07klysbouba, are you using an lvm or raid setup?
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07:04.34boubahard disk sata
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07:04.52klysdoes you rpartition show up in fdisk -l
07:05.01klysyour partition*
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07:06.23klyscan you ls -l /dev/sda5
07:06.43boubabrw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 5 juin   8  2019 /dev/sda5
07:07.22klysis it mounted?
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07:07.44boubaim using the disk now
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07:08.12klyswhat sort of problem had you encountered?
07:09.20boubawaiting 20 s in the boot msg "Running /scripts/local-block.... done"
07:09.49klysyes because it was fsck'ing your disk before mounting
07:10.55klysthis happens, especially when the system is not shut down properly.
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07:12.18boubathe prob is here /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d
07:12.35boubaresume
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07:14.11boubathe swap partition is wrong
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07:15.55boubareboot .... erification
07:15.59bouba+v
07:16.27klysye need a swap partition at least the size of your memory, for resume.
07:17.05klysalso pass resume=/dev/sda6 (for example) to the kernel at boot time.
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07:17.52klysalso when hibernating you need to make sure your swap is active.
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07:20.12boubaklys ty4help the prob is resolved
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08:09.56Henry151hi #debian
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08:10.15Henry151https://bpaste.net/show/c669f46d918c <--- any ideas about this? I'm trying to fix my dbus session
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08:22.55dutchfishHenry151, what does sudo `journalct -x` and `sudo systemctl status dbus.socket` tells you?
08:24.22dutchfishHenry151, also look at the versions of `sudo dpkg -l | grep dbus`
08:25.27Henry151hey dutchfish thanks but got things sorted out already
08:25.35Henry151not sure what was wrong but it's all working properly now.
08:25.44dutchfishHenry151, ok
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10:01.36Guest45can you guys help me out connecting to a wifi network via cmd line?
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10:07.17miskatoniciw  seems to be the command for wireless network config
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10:10.22jimGuest45, there's tne nmcli thing
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10:11.36jimGuest45, let's see if your card is working... could you do: lspci -nn | nc termbin.com 9999
10:12.44jimthat'll pastebin the lspci listing, and the url you get back will show us that listing
10:15.37Guest45iwconfig wlo1 essid Roast key s:12345670
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10:16.26Guest45I get : wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device wlo1 ; Invalid argument
10:16.50Guest45shouldnt that work?
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10:18.43Guest45plz help?
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10:22.55jimGuest45, what does it say when you run: ls /sys/class/net
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10:53.32zeeking99_Hello
10:54.38zeeking99_I have a problem with my Parrot Security OS installation. My internal WiFi card isn't detected.
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11:00.12diogenes_!debian based
11:00.12dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/).  #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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11:28.31hejuxhello, how do i list available GCC tool chain?
11:29.24hejuxbuild: : warning: Tool chain [GCC6] is not defined
11:30.40hejuxgcc (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516
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11:36.23jimhejux, that's the gcc you have/
11:36.24jim?
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11:46.37NetTerminalGenemy debian automatically updates. i added a 3rd party repo and installed a browser. my question is; does it update it automatically?
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11:47.38JyZyXELno, at least unattended-upgrades would not do that by default
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12:11.57fghHi! i want to save images from email to a specific folder in linux. have googled about it but find only scripts/solutions about 10years old. does anyone have a modern solution?
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12:24.42rdzhey all. what is the mechanism to execute a script when a certain usb device is plugged in?
12:24.57rdzis this still done through udev on Debian stretch?
12:25.07rdzor has systemd taken over?
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12:35.08rephlexierdz, I think stretch wise you can pick either route.
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12:44.56rdzrephlexie, thanks
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12:49.04petn-randallrdz: systemd is still doing the same things as in the previous releases.
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13:26.47yeplahello guys
13:27.00yeplasomething very strange happen on my linux debian desktop
13:27.24yeplai was on browser and see like my mouse move strange when i use it
13:27.38yeplathen i have been log off
13:28.06yeplai am thinking than someone have hack my computer :(
13:28.40lbryepla, clean the mouse sensor and change the surface (e.g. use mouse pad)
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13:30.58yeplaeffectivly there was a eyelash on the sensor
13:31.19yeplabut i dont understand why i have been log off
13:31.32yepladoes it s normal ?
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13:33.04EdePopedehappened to me one or two times, suddenly the X session was closed. don't remember anymore if the logs gave a hint, but it may be worth looking into them (also those in $HOME)
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13:40.36yeplaseems someone strange happen in my browser
13:40.41fghHi! i want to save images from email to a specific folder in linux. have googled about it but find only scripts/solutions about 10years old. does anyone have a modern solution?
13:41.00petn-randallfgh: How are you fetching the mails?
13:41.25petn-randallfgh: In thunderbird you can simply right click -> "save all" on the attachments.
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13:42.28fghpetn-randall: it should be automated and its in a shell.
13:42.42fghif its sendmail qmail or whatever doesnt matter much
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13:43.37petn-randallfgh: You could probably teach mutt to do that, though I can't help you with the details since it's 15 years ago since I've used it.
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14:54.04LtLjim: i found this, use 'xinput list' to find device, then: xinput set-prop "$device_name_or_number" "Evdev Middle Button Emulation" 1
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15:08.16magic_ninjakk guys i r need helps
15:08.42magic_ninjai have linux disk need to move.
15:09.56magic_ninjaJust kidding. I have a hard disk docking station built into my case. I put my new SSD in that and have been running off of that. I want to move it to a new sata port, as I'm going to put it in a bay and close it back up. If it is a different sata port, will my install read it as the same disk?
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15:10.26magic_ninjaI let debian do a LVM install, kept the system size the default and gave the rest to my home directory.
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15:11.49jimLtL, right, I saw that when I set that property (not the default), it works
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15:14.45jimLtL, so I tried that emulation, and it doesn't work very well... so, I wonder if there is another way to get a third button (note, it looks like the left button is 1, the right button is 3, how can I get 2, other than by the emulate thing?
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15:16.54jimfor example, can I have it send button 2 ButtonPress event, when I hold the alt key and press (say) the left button?
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15:19.11LtLjim: will pressing 1 and 3 at the same time work as the middle click?
15:19.41jimwhen I have that option set, it sorta works, but not reliably
15:20.11jimand nowhere -near- reliable enough to use/learn blender
15:20.38jimso that's why I'm looking for a different alternative
15:21.10LtLjim: peek at this fix, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/3-button-mouse-emulation-4175576567/
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15:23.26LtLjim: i use a trackball with two buttons on this box, a middle click i haven't figured out yet but i rarely need one/
15:24.10LtLjim: ps. its blender that makes it tough for me also.
15:25.16LtLi can't press left+right button at the same time, so i don't know if that might work as a middle click.
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15:27.32jimLtL, I'm doing the first ever starting from the beginning tutorial video
15:28.19jimand the middle click can rotate
15:30.12LtLjim: blender is really slick but with no middle click it's barely usable. if you find a fix post it here. As i said i use a trackball so i'm not sure what might work.
15:30.46jimthe trackball you use, is it the logitech?
15:31.02LtLjim: no, kensington
15:31.14jimoh ok, used to have one of those
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15:32.00LtLit's been good to me but lacking a middle click is a drag.
15:32.37jimbut the one I use has these two little buttons next to the right and left main ones, and they're buttons number 8 and 9
15:33.28LtLthis just has left/right and the trackball in the center.
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15:34.22jimLtL, didn't work for me... but, you can try it... in blender, file -> user prefs -> input, there's a setting for emulatiung the middle button, near the top left
15:34.23LtLblender pretty much demands a middle click button :(
15:34.43LtLjim: okay, i'll try that later.
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15:37.51LtLjim: okay, did that, now i have to remember how to use it!  thanks :)
15:38.13jimI believe it's alt-leftclick
15:38.22jimdid it work?
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15:40.38LtLjim: i'm not sure, i've forgotten how to use the program, but i think it will.
15:41.36jimhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCkHNxOf9lE&list=PLa1F2ddGya_8V90Kd5eC5PeBjySbXWGK1&index=2
15:42.17LtLjim: i believe its working, now i need more practice
15:45.02jimhere's the problem I'm having with it: in kde, when I use alt-leftclick anywhere in a window, it moves it
15:45.16jimdo you happen to know how to turn that off :)
15:45.59jimactually nm, let me ask on #kde first
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15:48.49jimLtL, well I hope that helps you so that it works for one of us :)
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15:56.45LtLjim: great video, thanks.. this is gonna take time. any combination keystrokes or buttons are difficult for me. paralyzed hands
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16:10.46jimLtL, ugh! sorry to hear that
16:11.27jimLtL, you're not running kde are you?
16:12.37PrimerI am, and I love that feature
16:12.42PrimerLtL: howdy
16:13.03LtLPrimer: hello
16:13.24PrimerSome times windows appear with their title bars off screen here, and grabbing an edge like that is convenient
16:13.35Primerand the default across most DEs, IIRC
16:13.41Primerthat key combo, that is
16:14.02LtLjim: enabling the numpad is useful, but the alt-left click may work but i need a third hand !
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16:14.32LtLjim: i'm running gnome3
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16:16.56jimoh ok
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16:20.52LtLjim: i quit kde years ago when hyperlinks in Konsole didn't work. i'm sure thats fixed by now
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16:22.13jimyeah it seems to work
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16:28.17LtLjim: enable numpad also, seems to be off by default and it's useful.
16:29.56tecloyeah, perhaps a "you should know" question but... I'm trying to change the title of Konsole from the shell
16:30.52tecloI'm doing export PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@freenode\007"'
16:31.09teclothat changes the title of xterm windows
16:31.14teclobut not of Konsole windows
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16:31.39Primerhit enter again
16:32.02PrimerYou know what PROMPT_COMMAND does, yes? Every time you hit enter, it runs
16:32.05PrimerSo, hit enter :)
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16:32.24tecloyeah I know :)
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16:32.44PrimerJust making sure. Let me try
16:34.13Primeryeah, konsole's title changes if I say, run top
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16:34.18Primerbut not from PROMPT_COMMAND
16:34.29PrimerThat is unfortunate
16:35.06somiajHmm, the docs I find for konsole online don't seem to talk about enviorment variables.
16:35.52somiajmaybe konsole requires a different method to control the title
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16:37.00somiajhttps://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/applications/konsole/console-dialogs.html -- seems konsole wants to use dialogs, and this is under its settings
16:38.26petn-randall,checkbackport python-gitlab
16:38.27juddBackporting package python-gitlab in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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16:40.46somiajgitlab is written in python? Or is that some interface to access gitlab?
16:41.14somiajahh its for the gitlab api
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16:43.52petn-randallI should have done that in PM, I was checking something for someone on the mini-debconf here. :)
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16:45.50LtLhttps://stackoverflow.com/questions/19897787/change-konsole-tab-title-from-command-line-and-make-it-persistent
16:46.34LtL^^ can't test that but maybe it works in debian kde
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16:49.19somiajone of the later answers seems most appropriate, the echo one works only if you change the options in console first via the dialog %w I linked above it seems.
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16:52.09jimLtL, that's the thing that lets me type the regular numbers and have effect as if it was typed on the numpad... I have a numpad, and it seems to be working :)
16:53.56EdePopedei've added some options to the grub line and now i forgot which manpage told me about them.
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17:05.42jimEdePopede, you can also check the info page if you'd like
17:06.25EdePopedebut which one? it was something related to the live iso stuff.
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17:07.10EdePopedehaving noautologin locales= timezone= really eliminates some work after system start.
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17:15.05somiajcshzg: you may find ##winehq a better palce to ask that.
17:15.42somiajsorry it is #winehq
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18:37.57lord4163I just installed the release candidate of Debian Buster, but how do I manage users? The utilities like usermod don't appear to be available to me?
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18:38.39winnyis there a recommended way to configure the initramfs to get my luks volume's key from a thumbdrive? I see there is a keyscript option. Is this the recommended way?
18:38.55somiajlord4163: they are located in /usr/sbin and not a normal users path. Run them as root (since normal users can't run them).
18:39.05somiajthey are part of passwd, which is a required package
18:39.19somiajlord4163: also debian has some nicer tools for that, what sort of thing are you wanting to do to users?
18:39.40lord4163somiaj: I was just going to add my user to the sudo group
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18:40.04lord4163somiaj: Interesting that it isn't in my PATH though.
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18:40.59lord4163somiaj: I know about adduser too :)
18:41.09lord4163I thought it was an Ubuntu thing.
18:41.09somiajlord4163: adduser username sudo
18:41.17somiajwell it is taken from debian.
18:41.18lord4163Yes :-)
18:41.35somiajlord4163: well a normal user dosen't have primisions to do things to users, so having those binaries in a normal users path wouldn't do much good.
18:41.44somiajhence it is in sbin (super user binairies)
18:41.55lord4163somiaj: Nah, but I was logged in as root though?
18:42.11somiajhow did you login as root?
18:42.17somiajdid you just run su?
18:42.19jhutchinssystem as a whole.
18:42.21lord4163Yes
18:42.30jhutchinsWhat?  Sorry
18:42.32somiajthat is why, su won't give you a full root enviorment, use 'su -' next time.
18:43.07jhutchinslord4163: In a multi-user model, ordinary users shouldn't be able to do things that affect the whole system.
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18:44.45somiajin this case it is more these binaries would just fail if a normal user tried to run them, so they are outside a normal users $PATH as a result.
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18:45.11lord4163somiaj: Silly me :) I haven't seen that on any operating system before though. It's usually in the normal user path, both on Ubuntu and Arch.
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18:45.36somiaj(There is some discrpiancy here, because sometimes a normal user can get information from the binary, but can't change things, so it isn't a flawless system to move binaries that only root should be using to sbin/
18:45.52jhutchinslord4163: I'd be really surprised if that were true, it's part of the LFS standard.
18:46.05somiajlord4163: they both use the same fhs, they may just include /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin in a normal users $PATH. You could add this to your path, but in theory it shoudlnt' be needed.
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18:46.29somiajalso since ubuntu inherits so much from debian, they aren't moving paths around, though their default main user PATH maybe different.
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18:47.43somiajin practice though some binaries in sbin can be annoying. For me ifconfig not being in my normal users PATH Was annoying to quickly get info about my interfaces. Though now that ip replaces it, I no longer have that problem.
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18:49.19jhutchinsI always figured part of the inconvinence was "Hey, you can break things now, be careful".
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18:52.07somiajA normal user shoudln't be able to break things on the system, the binaries should just fail due to some permission error.
18:52.22somiaj(they can destory their own data, but not system data)
18:53.08jhutchinsI meant the extra step of sudo or su -
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18:53.53rantI had installed freedombox on my server to check it out and since removed it.. but I still have a freedombox message coming up when I login via ssh, its not in the /etc/motd any idea where else it may be?
18:54.10somiajahh yea, that is one way to view it. Also a security issue with multiuser systems.
18:54.56jhutchinsrant: How did you install/remove it?
18:55.09jhutchins,v freedombox
18:55.09rantapt install, apt remove.. the usual way
18:55.10juddPackage: freedombox on amd64 -- buster: 19.1; sid: 19.2; experimental: 19.8
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18:55.23jhutchinsrant: Try purge.
18:55.34rantcan you purge after something is removed?
18:55.40annadaneyes
18:56.04somiajrant: dpkg -l | grep ^rc (it will be in state rc -- removed but config files still around)
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18:56.54rantyeah.. I've seen that state before
18:57.29rantyeah purge seemed to do the trick.. I got the motd only now
18:57.46somiajmight have put something in a profile/bashrc file somewhere
18:58.04somiajyea /etc/profile.d/ might have been where it was
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19:09.59jhutchinsrant: What was your reason for not continuing with it?
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19:11.52HelloShittyHello guys
19:12.07HelloShittyHow can I check if my web cam is v4l2 compatible?
19:12.33jhutchinsHelloShitty: Manufacturer's specs?  Try it?
19:13.02HelloShittyIt's probably old enough to not be able to find manufacturer details
19:13.04HelloShittybut I'll try
19:13.10HelloShittyit's an Acer BisonCam
19:14.00HelloShittyIt's a built-in webcam in my laptop
19:14.13rantjhutchins: well, I usually need several reasons to do or not to do something.. and in this case my reasons were that I had no need for it, nobody here who would need such things would use it, and my server isnt real powerful and I'd like it to focus its energies on doing what it needs to
19:15.15rantjhutchins: I had webmin installed from 3rd party repo before I switched hardware, and nobody used it but me.. and mostly just to get stats, do upgrades, and mess with samba configs.. and I know how to do all that with ssh so :P
19:15.52rantI couldnt get usermin to work at all.. but webmin has drastically improved over the years
19:17.31rantone thing I would like to implement though is a simple way for folk to change their smbpassword.. and short of coding a cgi script or something idk of any means to do that
19:17.50rantI've done cgi in python before
19:19.03rantmain reason I looked into freedombox is cause configuring openvpn is a PITA but it didnt seem to make any sense to me the way it did it.. I am thinking of just using wireguard instead
19:19.10rantwiregaurd looks promising
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19:20.17rantI'm just a lil skeptical about the maturity of the code
19:20.31rant,v wireguard
19:20.32juddPackage: wireguard on amd64 -- sid: 0.0.20190406-1
19:20.39rantand the fact its only in sid :P
19:21.05jhutchinsDoes not sound like a good idea for an exposed system.
19:22.19rantyeah.. I dont have enough need for VPN to either go through the headaches of openvpn or risk immature code
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19:23.09rantI'd started doing the whole openvpn cert thing but then I decided to savor my youth :D
19:23.13jhutchinsThankfully I haven't had to deal with samba in years, but I seem to recall a line in the configuration file that allowed a user to change PW from their Windows box.
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19:23.55rantyeah I seen mention of such a feature but I had no idea what implemented it client side and it sounded a bit like it would require a more complicated samba setup
19:24.24jhutchinsrant: Are you using it linux-to-linux?
19:25.28rantright now mostly.. as the only ones using it are me and my father and I managed to get him on debian years ago now.. and I use nfs mostly.. but everyone else is on windows they just haven't bothered using it at all yet
19:26.35rantI have minidlna setup too.. but it works in some cases and not in others.. its hit or miss
19:26.53foul_owlTrying to boot into recovery mode, boot process hangs on "Started Remount Root and Kernel File Systems"
19:27.00foul_owlIs there a way to get to a shell at this point?
19:27.06rantso samba is mostly used right now as a fallback for minidlna
19:27.27foul_owlOr is there a more conservative recovery mode? I think the issue is with my xorg config and I just want to get to a shell
19:27.59jhutchinsfoul_owl: Live image.
19:28.09foul_owlThat was my thought
19:28.16foul_owlNo other way though?
19:28.30rantfoul_owl: just select the normal boot option, but press e instead of enter and edit the linux line and append init=/bin/bash at the end
19:28.43rantthen press ctrl+x to boot
19:28.45jhutchinsThe error message suggests problems with the disks, but remember that the message you see is from the process before the one that failed.
19:29.11foul_owlGotcha
19:29.18rantfoul_owl: if this boots, the rootfs will be mounted read-only and there will be no init
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19:29.46rantfoul_owl: so you'll need to mount -o remount,rw / to make any changes then remount it ro again before rebooting
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19:30.15rantcause you can't reboot by any normal means and you dont want to corrupt the fs while its in rw mode doing a rube reboot
19:30.16foul_owlThank you!
19:30.30rantsince there is no init, you can't reboot normally that is
19:30.54ranteither gotta ctrl+alt+del or use sysrq might work
19:31.14foul_owlOk understood
19:31.51jhutchinsOr just umount & power off.
19:32.08ranthow are you supposed to unmount the rootfs? :P
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19:33.09rantI usually do mount -o remount,ro / and then ctrl+alt+del
19:33.15rantand never had any issues with the fs
19:33.25rantI dont take any extra precautions of flushing or anything
19:33.45jhutchinsrant: Well, the remount will flush it.
19:33.59rantI need to do this on occasion cause I typically run my personal machines with all user accounts disabled
19:34.14rantso when SHTF I need to boot that way cause there are no passwords
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19:34.39rantI use fingerprint and keys on my systems
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19:36.31rantfprintd is fairly robust these days but still has its issues at times
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19:37.48foul_owlThank you!
19:43.29rantif someone manages to crack my crypt and are trying to fool my fingerprint reader, they're just an idiot :P
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19:44.58rantin which case it offered me more security than a password.. heh.. and if they arent that stupid and decrypted the drive, they could get around either
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19:46.37rantreally the bigger security issues concerning a machine while the disk is decrypted and system is running are the applications themselves
19:47.15rantand Xorg and light-locker are two rather serious offenders these days :P
19:47.36rantI won't even get into the mess that are modern browsers
19:48.00Psi-JackBut, you're already in such a rant, why not? ;)
19:48.09Habbie"i never let other people execute code on my computer" "so you don't use the web?" "what?"
19:48.32rantheh.. yeah talking about web browsers these days is just tiring
19:48.46rantI've been working on just removing them from the equation
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19:49.26annadanethat said firefox is doing good work
19:49.32rantbeen working on a link handler that bypasses the browser and parses and opens web urls in other applications with only the content I want to see
19:49.43Psi-JackWell, Chrome is doing somewhat better, but Firefox is catching back up.
19:49.49Psi-JackHopefully. :)
19:49.58annadaneethically, firefox is doing "good work", is what i meant
19:50.12rantso far the only working code I got is atrocious and only handles news sites and youtube links.. the most annoying two in my opinion.. but I'm working on trying to rewrite and extend it
19:50.22Psi-JackAs is Chrome. I mean, have you seen the results in pwn2own?
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19:51.47rantas far as I'm concerned the continued extension of web APIs is counterintuitive to any security progress.. so I wont for a second buy that anyone is doing a good job at this as long as they keep giving more and more power to web developers to do crap
19:52.22rantI'm just sick of seeing sites wanting to send me notifications and stopping me from navigating away from a page, and so on
19:52.36annadanefire the ad industry into the sun
19:52.56netcrashHello, I have a .jar application that has a tomcat server to be executed, what's the best way to run this in linux in a secure enviroment?
19:52.57rantthis isn't convenience, this is annoyance.. these things should be implemented by the user on their end.. not the web developers on their end
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19:54.35rantnetcrash: don't do it. is the short answer.. or deal with the consequences
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19:55.09netcrashrant: How else am I going to run the service?
19:55.26rantthe problem with things that run in VM, like I had this issue with opensim for example, which runs in mono.. coded in .NET.. you can't really jail it cause the mono runtime needs /proc /sys /dev so.. what good did that chroot do? nothing..
19:55.45rantnetcrash: you could try do some trickery with apparmor or something I suppose
19:55.52rantminimize damages
19:56.09rantbut the idea of getting security from things that run on top of horrid VMs is a joke
19:56.17netcrashrant run it in a non root user that doesn't have shell
19:56.26rantthis is just an extention of my web browser points :P
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19:57.40rantnetcrash: whatever makes you feel better :D
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19:59.17rantI try to avoid .NET, Java, etc like the plague.. and I sure as shit wouldn't want to run any internet facing service from such.. but if I had no other choice, I'd just suck it up and deal with the consequences.. I wouldnt try dance around the idea of securing it
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20:05.32netcrashrant: I have to find a way to best secure it
20:05.37netcrashthank you
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20:06.50rantnetcrash: try asking in security or java channels I guess.. and as I said consider maybe things like apparmor or such that can lock it down at a kernel level idk..
20:07.01rantyou're at mercy of the jvm in these kinds of scenarios
20:09.13rantin a normal sane situation where you had something not coded by a moron who only knows java.. you are only dealing with the hardware, kernel, and application.. once you throw a shitty vm in the middle... thats where stuff gets complicated
20:09.18jmcnaughttomcat9-docs - Apache Tomcat 9 - Servlet and JSP engine -- documentation
20:09.29jmcnaughtoops
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20:10.15jmcnaughtnetcrash: I was going to suggest reading any Debian specific documentation in the /usr/share/doc/tomcat* directories, particularly any README.Debian files if they exist
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20:24.37L00P3XGoodEvening, I can't come over the installation of libcups2-dev from debian stretch. I used to update my repos also adding as showen here https://packages.debian.org/it/stretch/i386/libcups2-dev/download ... but this is the output still I get from terminal https://pastebin.com/R8W8SPZj and can't understand why
20:26.08jmcnaughtL00P3X: are you running a Debian stretch system?
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20:27.14L00P3Xjmcnaught: yes, debian 9
20:27.44jmcnaught!bat
20:27.44dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
20:27.45L00P3XI need to mention, i'm on a 32bit system
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20:43.02userDoes anyone else have this bug where newline isn't working properly in TTY7? For example, "[  OK  ] Started foo" on each new line should be be at the beginning, but instead is offsetted by the position of the previous line
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20:43.30userSounds kinda trivial but it bothers me
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20:44.27petn-randalluser: I don't have anything on tty7.
20:44.58userHmm ok. Well it's whichever tty has the service inits displayed on it
20:45.06userI'm using stretch
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20:45.52petn-randallHmm, on 1 and 2 I have an X server, and 3 to 6 are login terminals. I guess it's different if you upgrade instead of a fresh install.
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20:46.38usermaybe all of this is just a symptom of upgrading from jessie to stretch
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20:47.53petn-randallUnfortunately I don't recall where to configure such things.
20:48.12userno worries
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20:51.52userbtw for clarity, it's the carriage return that seems to be broken
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20:53.21L00P3Xjmcnaught: like this? https://paste.debian.net/1087032/
20:55.11rantidk what exactly we're talking about here, but the ttys are configured in /etc/inittab if thats what you're referring to
20:55.33rantor at least they were before the matri-- I mean, systemd..
20:56.00jmcnaughtL00P3X: you're using repositories that seem to be meant for Ubuntu.  These third party repositories are introducing conflicts between packages.
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20:57.15L00P3Xjmcnaught: I was suggested to use debian. I maybe share a link to that repo. If I would restore the repo to default settings, how would I procede?
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20:58.06rantL00P3X: you'd have to remove all packages from non-debian repos and reinstall anything that gets removed that you wanted
20:58.38rantif you have gotten to the point some core package like libc6 is replaced, you're screwed and will probably have to reinstall
20:59.23rantthere are suggestions on how do target non-debian packages in the release notes.. Ch 4 on upgrades iirc
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20:59.51L00P3Xrant: lik
21:00.12L00P3Xsorry, can I remove /etc/atp to resrore default settings?
21:00.49L00P3Xapt.. sorry again
21:00.55rantL00P3X: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list ?
21:01.03jmcnaughtL00P3X: it doesn't work like that.  You can look at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList for a sample sources.list, but there could also be repos listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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21:01.18rantL00P3X: no.. cause first of all whatever sources you have are probably in seperate files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
21:01.19jmcnaughtL00P3X: and that still doesn't deal with any installed packages that could be causing conflicts
21:01.30L00P3Xthis repositories are locaded exclusevly in .d .. there is no entry for them in the source.list
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21:07.03L00P3Xsorry, I went down..
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21:14.22L00P3Xjmcnaught, I moved all kxrepo files out of the apt folder, made apt update and no error appeard, but I'm still unable to install that. could I would restore apt to default now
21:16.15jmcnaughtL00P3X: I don't know what you mean by "restore apt to default".  There is no easy way to undo installing from random sources, but you could start with a search for software not from Debian
21:16.43jmcnaughtL00P3X: "aptitude search '~S ~i !~A^stable'" looks for packages installed not from stable
21:17.10jmcnaughtaptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'  will look for pacakges not from Debian
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21:19.15L00P3Xjmcnaught: I found cups from the last command
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21:19.40L00P3XI can try to uninstall it and reinstall without the repos
21:19.47jmcnaughtL00P3X: also see https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian for advice on installing software not from Debian
21:20.36jmcnaughtL00P3X: give it a try, make a paste if it asks abount also removing a lot of other packages
21:20.36roylaprattepis there a way to install openssl latest version in Jessie?
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21:21.48jmcnaughtroylaprattep: no you would need to upgrade to stretch, or install openssl in a chroot or container
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21:22.46roylaprattepjmcnaught: even stretch doesnt have the latest 1.1.1 version
21:22.56roylaprattepthat support tls1.3
21:23.06L00P3Xit wants to delete 1.5gb of programs. I used to have kx studio because it's an awesome resource for music production, my instruments work out of the box with it and the audioserver is just plug and play with my mixer..
21:23.21jmcnaughtroylaprattep: oh right, you need buster for that.
21:23.36L00P3Xbut by now I do not need kx at all, and should get 2 pc for this purpose
21:24.10jmcnaughtL00P3X: careful removing that much software that it's not removing important stuff like your DE or WM for example
21:24.12roylapratteptls1.2 becoming weak
21:24.48petn-randallTLSv1.2 is still safe, though.
21:25.32roylaprattepwell, qualys telling me that my cert are weak, but eh, i think it is still safe too.
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21:25.47L00P3Xjmcnaught: I would have to reinstall debian, right? if necessary I will do so. I need a second pc to separate my tasks, but one question. can a user be created wich have an indipendent workspace for his own apps and repos?
21:26.01roylaprattepQyalys SSL Labs
21:26.22azeemL00P3X: what do you mean with "own apps and repos"?
21:26.26petn-randallI wouldn't bother upgrading to testing or recompiling openssl and potentially breaking my system over some checkbox on a TLS test.
21:26.34jmcnaughtL00P3X: not really unless you use a virtual machine or something. APT installs system-wide, not per-user
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21:26.41roylapratteppetn-randall: sure. i will not.
21:27.03petn-randallAnd I'd be surprised if the qualsys score is negatively affected by TLSv1.3. It's probably just informational.
21:27.16petn-randall*qualys
21:27.35jmcnaughtL00P3X: there are some packages managers that you can use as an unpriviledged user, flatpak is in Debian and can install apps to a user's $HOME.  There's also guix but it's not in Debian and is outside the scope of this channel.
21:27.47roylaprattepI am using RSA 4096 bits (SHA384withRSA) which is ebough imo.
21:28.14L00P3Xthanks everyone
21:28.37petn-randallroylaprattep: Do you have a link to the report?
21:29.08roylaprattepI dont want my ip/domain showed publicly.
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21:30.30roylapratteppetn-randall: wait i will blur anything sensible and show you
21:31.07petn-randallroylaprattep: If it's public on the website might as well link it.
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21:31.52roylapratteppetn-randall: what do you mean? sorry im french, i do not understand everything
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21:32.51roylaprattepi pm'd you, i can show you in private.
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21:35.47petn-randallroylaprattep: Did you check "Do not show the results on the boards"
21:35.49petn-randall?
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21:37.17roylaprattepno i did not
21:37.52petn-randallroylaprattep: Then your results are already public.
21:37.57petn-randallAnd you can just post the link.
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21:38.25roylaprattepcan i erase my past result?
21:39.46petn-randallI don't think so.
21:39.51roylaprattepi pasted the link in private message to you
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21:41.14petn-randallI didn't receive any message.
21:41.39roylaprattepI would be graded B if my cert would be trusted
21:41.56magic_ninja_workSo I swapped my desk's Sata port, and now my system won't boot.
21:41.58roylaprattepit tell you are mode +g and that you have been notified of my messaye
21:42.03roylaprattepmessage*
21:42.28magic_ninja_workI'm downloading a debian live image right now, but what will I need to do to get the uefi to find the right place on the disk now?
21:42.50roylaprattepyou can disable secure boot magic_ninja_work
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21:43.04roylaprattepand install as MBR if you want to.
21:43.08magic_ninja_workroylaprattep, secure boot and fast boot, intel rapid storage tech are all disabled.
21:43.23roylaprattepthan MBR gonna be supported.
21:43.27magic_ninja_workNo, I don't want to use MBR and I don't want to reinstall.
21:43.28roylaprattepthen*
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21:43.43roylaprattepi never installed debian in GPT yet.
21:43.58magic_ninja_workI did. It was fine, but I had to change sata ports.
21:44.03roylaprattepok
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21:44.43roylapratteppetn-randall: sent again in private.
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22:05.33magic_ninja_workhttps://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall
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22:56.39RebelCoderGuys, how to find out when a package will be available in Debian Testing or Unstable ?
22:57.15RebelCoderfor Example, Plasma 5,15 is Stable for about 2 month now. How to find out when it will be added to Unstable  ?
22:57.26RebelCoderCurrent Unstable is 5.14
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22:57.58petn-randallRebelCoder: It only happens when the maintainer prepares the version upgrade. And since buster is in deep freeze right now they're very reluctant to do such changes.
22:57.58jmcnaught!slushy
22:57.59dpkgWhen a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well.  This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
22:58.01petn-randall!slushy
22:58.02petn-randallgah
22:58.06petn-randall:)
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22:58.42RebelCoderpetn-randall, but shouldn't Unstable have THE latest anyway ?
22:59.35petn-randall!sns
22:59.35dpkgShiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released.  If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
22:59.40petn-randallRebelCoder: no. ^^^
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