| 00:00.04 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: I'll download, do you have a quick link for the deb file? |
| 00:00.09 | LtL | _0xbadc0de: you need wpasupplicant for wifi encryption. |
| 00:00.15 | LtL | wait |
| 00:00.21 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: thought it was just a utility |
| 00:00.54 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: the fact that fw is failing to load at boot time doesn't smell wonderfully either |
| 00:01.19 | LtL | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/wpasupplicant/download |
| 00:01.23 | _0xbadc0de | ty |
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| 00:01.29 | LtL | no its not a good message |
| 00:02.37 | _0xbadc0de | I totally fucking hate these new hardware homossexual FUCKING shannenigans but, my dad gave me that laptop :( |
| 00:02.45 | _0xbadc0de | so I need to try my best to fix it with debian |
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| 00:03.18 | LtL | for any encryption that is, wpasupplicant is needed afaik |
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| 00:03.44 | magic_ninja | here is what would be cool. |
| 00:03.53 | LtL | install that, hopefully the firmware loads and its the right package |
| 00:04.26 | magic_ninja | Putting a debian ISO with a bootloader that points to that ISO on the /efi parition. Then, if you need to get into a live environment, you can boot from the live ISO |
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| 00:08.15 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: libpcsclite1 do you have it? |
| 00:08.47 | LtL | never heard of it, one sec. is that a file? |
| 00:08.53 | _0xbadc0de | dependency |
| 00:09.03 | _0xbadc0de | for wpasupplicant |
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| 00:09.53 | _0xbadc0de | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libpcsclite1 |
| 00:10.27 | LtL | ,depends wpasupplicant |
| 00:10.28 | judd | Package wpasupplicant in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libnl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libnl-genl-3-200 (>= 3.2.7), libpcsclite1 (>= 1.0.0), libreadline7 (>= 6.0), libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d), lsb-base, adduser. |
| 00:10.39 | LtL | yep you need it |
| 00:10.59 | LtL | thats the url also |
| 00:11.50 | LtL | actually i have that installed also. |
| 00:13.08 | _0xbadc0de | ok I am going to reboot |
| 00:13.47 | _0xbadc0de | OK I DO HAVE AN IP ADDR!!! |
| 00:14.01 | _0xbadc0de | AND I CAN PING 8.8.8.8 !!!! |
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| 00:14.14 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: can I get you a blowjob (not mine, but Ill find someone) |
| 00:14.16 | _0xbadc0de | ? |
| 00:14.29 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: ? |
| 00:15.03 | LtL | im good thanks, mind the language tho' |
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| 00:16.51 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: btw I have no sudo |
| 00:16.59 | _0xbadc0de | and apt-get install sudo ... doesnt work |
| 00:16.59 | LtL | you're welcome happy it works :) |
| 00:17.44 | _0xbadc0de | Also apt-get install "vim" nothing |
| 00:17.45 | LtL | as root adduser yourname sudo |
| 00:18.08 | _0xbadc0de | I wonder if my sources.list are screwed up somehow |
| 00:18.13 | LtL | dpkg: stretch sources.list |
| 00:18.13 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 00:18.21 | LtL | yes fix it |
| 00:18.32 | LtL | then apt update |
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| 00:19.14 | LtL | logoff/login for the group to take effect |
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| 00:20.08 | LtL | /me is on smoke break /noise |
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| 00:22.01 | _0xbadc0de | "sudo command not found" |
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| 00:24.10 | _0xbadc0de | ok... so now a little bit of extra help please? |
| 00:24.16 | annadane | log in/out, they said |
| 00:24.22 | annadane | to apply group membership |
| 00:24.41 | _0xbadc0de | annadane: No. sudo binary is simply not in my filesystem |
| 00:24.53 | _0xbadc0de | apt-get install sudo -y seems it fixed it |
| 00:25.11 | _0xbadc0de | the help I need now is with something else |
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| 00:25.26 | _0xbadc0de | I am now stuck in the terminal, I have no graphical interface |
| 00:25.33 | _0xbadc0de | how can I get KDE for instance? |
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| 00:26.05 | _0xbadc0de | apt-get update / upgrade basically did nothing |
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| 00:27.10 | _0xbadc0de | but GUIs are for babies pffff |
| 00:27.13 | _0xbadc0de | lol |
| 00:28.12 | _0xbadc0de | https://www.rootusers.com/install-kde-gui-debian-9-linux/ <- is this a good idea? |
| 00:30.47 | annadane | ... |
| 00:30.49 | annadane | SLOW. DOWN. |
| 00:31.04 | annadane | you're going to break everything by rushing |
| 00:31.26 | annadane | apt install sudo -y (assume yes) may have removed graphical packages, right? check your history.lo |
| 00:31.29 | annadane | .log* |
| 00:31.38 | LtL | its task-kde-desktop i think, let me check |
| 00:32.43 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop ? |
| 00:33.08 | LtL | yeah _0xbadc0de you need to install sudo if you haven't yet and apt install task-kde-desktop ; i know nothing about plasma |
| 00:33.35 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: sudo totally working atm |
| 00:33.36 | LtL | apt show <package> tells you about itself |
| 00:34.13 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: I totally love you right now |
| 00:34.22 | LtL | the task* packages install a lot of stuff |
| 00:34.22 | annadane | never mind, sorry. my advice was completely off base |
| 00:34.52 | _0xbadc0de | I have ran the kde-plasma-desktop |
| 00:35.03 | _0xbadc0de | worst case scenario it wont work and I'll install the task one |
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| 00:35.39 | LtL | oh it'll work, its just do you want a entire office suite etc. i think its worth it |
| 00:36.11 | _0xbadc0de | plasma contains office bs? |
| 00:36.27 | LtL | i dunno about plasma whatsoever |
| 00:36.52 | _0xbadc0de | kk |
| 00:37.15 | LtL | plasma i suspect will be very graphicically intensive |
| 00:37.18 | _0xbadc0de | we'll see, not my favourite WM actually, but its a good failsafe |
| 00:37.35 | LtL | typo excuse moi |
| 00:38.02 | _0xbadc0de | pa de probleme, mon ami, pa du probleme... |
| 00:38.17 | LtL | oui, bon |
| 00:38.32 | _0xbadc0de | (broken french *alert*, lol) |
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| 00:41.35 | somiaj | plasma is a desktop, it contains a lot of stuff. office apps are often considered part of a desktop these days. |
| 00:42.17 | LtL | somiaj: so is plasma kde just eye candy compared to the task-kde? |
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| 00:43.26 | somiaj | in debian the kde-plasma-desktop probably only contains the apps that are offically kde desktop, while the task will include a few other thigns that debian considers part of a full desktop (meaning everything installsed) |
| 00:43.38 | somiaj | so it will pull in firefox (or chromium), office, and a few things that aren't offically kde. |
| 00:43.53 | LtL | i see, thank somiaj |
| 00:43.59 | LtL | thanks |
| 00:44.15 | somiaj | in general the desktop tasks all do this, they are the offical desktop plus other apps to ensure a full desktop, and may would think a desktop isn't complete without office programs. |
| 00:44.24 | _0xbadc0de | it worked |
| 00:44.28 | somiaj | apt show packagename will show you the depends. |
| 00:44.38 | _0xbadc0de | except for my touchpad, so... where should I go to fix the touchpad? |
| 00:45.27 | somiaj | and you'll see the task pulls in kde-standard (Standard kde desktop) then recommends (which are installed by default) libreoffice, firefox|chormium, gimp, and other stuff not in the kde suite |
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| 00:46.08 | somiaj | _0xbadc0de: https://wiki.debian.org/LibinputTouchpad -- maybe start here. I belive libinput is now the default for pointers/touchpads. |
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| 00:48.46 | LtL | theres xserver-xorg-input-libinput and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics both show automatic, so they're probably installed already |
| 00:49.40 | LtL | dummy package kde-config-touchpad might be what he needs |
| 00:49.55 | somiaj | I think one should not use synaptics unless their hardware just dosn't work with libinput. You can check your Xorg.0.log to see what actual driver is being used. |
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| 00:50.30 | _0xbadc0de | libinput not making it work |
| 00:50.36 | LtL | my laptop touchpad just *worked* |
| 00:50.49 | _0xbadc0de | we cant be all lucky |
| 00:51.05 | LtL | run 'aptitude why kde-config-touchpad ' |
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| 00:51.55 | LtL | might need to install asptitude also, good tool |
| 00:52.01 | LtL | aptitude |
| 00:52.14 | LtL | /me shoots fingers off |
| 00:53.13 | _0xbadc0de | "Manually installed, current version 4:5.8.6-1, priority extra No dependencies require to install kde-config-touchpad |
| 00:54.15 | LtL | i have xserver-xorg-input-libinput and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed on this tower |
| 00:54.54 | LtL | couldnt hurt to install it |
| 00:55.10 | LtL | run, 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-libinput xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' |
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| 00:55.52 | LtL | you may need one of those also or possibly both, consult the wiki |
| 00:55.57 | LtL | - |
| 00:56.16 | LtL | _0xbadc0de: consult the wiki |
| 00:57.01 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: what is the cmd to paste automagically in the internets? |
| 00:57.13 | LtL | pastebinit |
| 00:57.55 | LtL | enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list also netcat, nc is good for pasting too |
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| 00:58.23 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/1087146 |
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| 00:59.06 | LtL | okay, the kde-config thing6y oughta work |
| 00:59.14 | LtL | paste is ok. |
| 00:59.21 | _0xbadc0de | kde-config? |
| 00:59.27 | _0xbadc0de | touchpad still dead though |
| 00:59.57 | LtL | install and run, kde-config-touchpad |
| 01:00.30 | LtL | by the way do not run X as root, ever! |
| 01:00.43 | _0xbadc0de | I am not |
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| 01:00.48 | _0xbadc0de | I am a regurlar user, corsair |
| 01:01.23 | _0xbadc0de | or at least, thats what I login as |
| 01:01.32 | LtL | thats fine |
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| 01:02.12 | LtL | just wanted to warn you, i recognize the nick so youre not new at this are you? |
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| 01:02.37 | LtL | maybe its just similar |
| 01:03.06 | _0xbadc0de | hmmm... I don't recall having done that, or if I did, I probably knew what I was doing |
| 01:03.26 | LtL | i can't tell you how that package is run, check your desktop for settings and such |
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| 01:03.56 | _0xbadc0de | yeah kde-config-touchpad cant be ran, not from terminal at least |
| 01:04.05 | _0xbadc0de | I'll try to find some other stuff |
| 01:04.10 | _0xbadc0de | in the desktop |
| 01:04.13 | LtL | ok, carry on |
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| 01:06.25 | _0xbadc0de | meh not mouch that I can do there |
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| 01:14.04 | LtL | no touchpad yet? |
| 01:14.13 | _0xbadc0de | w8 |
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| 01:14.32 | _0xbadc0de | absolt |
| 01:14.39 | _0xbadc0de | absolutely not. |
| 01:15.12 | LtL | you could grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 01:15.19 | _0xbadc0de | I was tryig |
| 01:15.25 | _0xbadc0de | trying to make sure: "In most cases, make sure you have xserver-xorg-input-libinput xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse installed, and not the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package." |
| 01:15.32 | _0xbadc0de | ok |
| 01:15.54 | LtL | The wiki said no synaptics? |
| 01:16.28 | _0xbadc0de | y |
| 01:16.37 | _0xbadc0de | https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 |
| 01:16.51 | _0xbadc0de | anyway paste: 1087147 |
| 01:17.30 | LtL | apt-get remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics /* i refrain from purge in this case */ |
| 01:17.48 | LtL | or just apt |
| 01:17.55 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/1087147 |
| 01:18.01 | _0xbadc0de | I have already removed it |
| 01:18.08 | _0xbadc0de | and rebooted, and nothing. |
| 01:18.38 | LtL | looks like a video driver message |
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| 01:19.33 | LtL | lspci -k see what the video chipset driver the kernel is using. is this optimus nvidia? |
| 01:20.00 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: Nvidia GForce |
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| 01:20.05 | LtL | this is a separate issue i believe |
| 01:20.15 | _0xbadc0de | yes. lets address GFX later |
| 01:20.27 | _0xbadc0de | right now I only want to find a way to fix the touchpad |
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| 01:20.46 | LtL | find the config thing |
| 01:21.38 | _0xbadc0de | if I go to touchpad settings |
| 01:21.49 | _0xbadc0de | I get a red screen with text: "No touchpad found" |
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| 01:22.44 | LtL | hmmm |
| 01:23.06 | _0xbadc0de | not really much I can do there |
| 01:23.26 | LtL | run, 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-libinput is there still |
| 01:24.33 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/1087148 |
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| 01:28.41 | LtL | dmesg |grep -i touchpad |
| 01:29.14 | _0xbadc0de | nothing |
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| 01:30.18 | alphazulu | LtL: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is better and you also need a kernel with CONFIG_RMI4_SMB enabled |
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| 01:30.58 | alphazulu | LtL: use xinput list-props and set-prop to list and alter the settings |
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| 01:31.28 | _0xbadc0de | scary as fuck the touch pad doesnt seem to show in xinput |
| 01:31.46 | LtL | alphazulu: well apparently it didn't work with synaptics |
| 01:32.04 | LtL | possibly disabled in BIOS? |
| 01:32.09 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: xinput --list if not showing then probably disabled in bios |
| 01:32.21 | _0xbadc0de | I can try again with synaptics, should I remove the other ones? |
| 01:32.34 | LtL | no, i wouldn't |
| 01:33.03 | _0xbadc0de | k |
| 01:33.23 | _0xbadc0de | how come would it be disabled in bios, it was working on windows 10 crapç |
| 01:33.25 | LtL | install lshw that or dmidecode should show the hardware. i'd check bios first |
| 01:33.45 | _0xbadc0de | k |
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| 01:33.54 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics should be all you need |
| 01:34.01 | LtL | synaptics should be fine i would think |
| 01:34.31 | alphazulu | *not* the libinput one |
| 01:34.35 | LtL | swap those out maybe _0xbadc0de |
| 01:35.28 | LtL | alphazulu: okay, leave libinput _0xbadc0de |
| 01:36.08 | alphazulu | LtL: remove it |
| 01:36.35 | LtL | alphazulu: remove libinput? |
| 01:37.05 | _0xbadc0de | synaptics not working |
| 01:38.00 | LtL | run, so remove xserver-xorg-input-libinput ? |
| 01:38.07 | _0xbadc0de | k |
| 01:38.37 | alphazulu | apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-libinput- |
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| 01:39.04 | _0xbadc0de | alphazulu: wtf you just told me to remove it... |
| 01:39.06 | LtL | meh, they were alphazulu -installed |
| 01:39.22 | alphazulu | but if it doesn't work for you then try the reverse or possibly another input driver. i have a thinkpad and that's what works |
| 01:39.23 | _0xbadc0de | not working stiff |
| 01:39.25 | _0xbadc0de | still |
| 01:39.48 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: that does remove it. see the '-' at the end |
| 01:39.57 | _0xbadc0de | ah ok |
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| 01:40.01 | _0xbadc0de | I removed it before |
| 01:40.03 | LtL | i have both installed automatic with a trackball and tower |
| 01:40.07 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: then you have to reboot |
| 01:40.14 | _0xbadc0de | already did that |
| 01:40.44 | _0xbadc0de | I mean I can offer some help reverse engineering the windows drivers |
| 01:40.51 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: apt-cache search xserver-xorg |grep input to see a list |
| 01:41.39 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: what is output of: egrep -i "synap|alps|etps|elan" /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 01:42.20 | _0xbadc0de | first cmd: http://paste.debian.net/1087149 |
| 01:42.42 | LtL | i have to go _0xbadc0de good luck and thank you alphazulu AZ |
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| 01:43.07 | _0xbadc0de | ty LtL |
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| 01:43.12 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: yeah that's just a list of input drivers |
| 01:43.16 | LtL | I like the NATO alphabet |
| 01:43.30 | LtL | /me waves g'night. |
| 01:43.36 | _0xbadc0de | alphazulu: second cmd comes out emptu |
| 01:43.38 | _0xbadc0de | empty |
| 01:43.58 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: what kernel are you using? |
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| 01:45.56 | _0xbadc0de | Linux Debian 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2 (2019-05-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:46.00 | _0xbadc0de | thats my uname -a |
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| 01:47.11 | _0xbadc0de | alphazulu: ? |
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| 01:48.00 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: i don't know why nothing is showing in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 01:48.38 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/1087150 |
| 01:48.42 | _0xbadc0de | thats a cat |
| 01:49.25 | _0xbadc0de | alphazulu: thats really bad, it seems the kernel isn't able to detect it at all |
| 01:49.37 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: try : sudo dmesg |egrep -i '(psmouse|smbus)' |
| 01:50.19 | _0xbadc0de | nope |
| 01:51.48 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: also look at: grep -i smbus /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 01:53.34 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/1087151 |
| 01:55.38 | LtL | i would check bios |
| 01:55.55 | _0xbadc0de | LtL: but in the bios I cant even find it |
| 01:56.22 | alphazulu | _0xbadc0de: what model is the chipset of the touchpad? |
| 01:56.40 | _0xbadc0de | I have : Main, Advanced, Boot, Security |
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| 01:57.15 | LtL | it will be buried if its there |
| 01:57.44 | _0xbadc0de | Internal Pointing Device |
| 01:57.48 | _0xbadc0de | [Enabled] |
| 01:58.04 | LtL | should be good.. |
| 01:58.10 | _0xbadc0de | Enable/Disable internal touch pad. |
| 01:59.06 | _0xbadc0de | alphazulu: how the heck would I know that |
| 01:59.10 | LtL | lshw should say the chipset, as root, lots of output |
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| 02:00.00 | LtL | if its pci bus, lspci -nn get the hex id if its there |
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| 02:01.53 | _0xbadc0de | http://paste.debian.net/1087152 |
| 02:02.17 | LtL | grep -i synaptic /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:03.00 | _0xbadc0de | nope |
| 02:04.56 | _0xbadc0de | I need to go get some sleep |
| 02:05.16 | _0xbadc0de | as I said before, I can offer my help reverse engineering the windows drivers |
| 02:05.34 | _0xbadc0de | if this is not supported yet |
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| 02:08.08 | risingtide | Well I wish I had audio |
| 02:08.18 | risingtide | not something I can control though |
| 02:08.31 | risingtide | it's not the debian machine's fault |
| 02:08.33 | LtL | cat /proc/bus/input/devices check there |
| 02:08.33 | risingtide | http://risingtide.international/uname |
| 02:11.57 | LtL | _0xbadc0de: i see you checked that path, youre not alone it seems many people have this issue. |
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| 02:14.14 | _0xbadc0de | is this just an issue of understanding how the windows driver works? |
| 02:14.42 | _0xbadc0de | I have done very deep windows reverse engineering for quite a while |
| 02:14.51 | _0xbadc0de | I can do it |
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| 02:15.49 | _0xbadc0de | if its necessary ofc, but now I really need to crash |
| 02:15.59 | LtL | closest fix i can find short of arch is, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/touchpad-not-working-4175543396/ |
| 02:16.32 | LtL | we'll try tomorrow _0xbadc0de |
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| 02:23.46 | risingtide | oh no, don't worry bout the audio...I've been watching silent films for quite some time |
| 02:24.02 | risingtide | no physical sound devices on this computer |
| 02:24.30 | _0xbadc0de | LOL |
| 02:24.36 | _0xbadc0de | #LinuxRocks |
| 02:24.41 | risingtide | unless I can get one of those little radios they have here and somehow setup a radio station on my vps which resides in...Tokyo..I am in Chicago |
| 02:25.25 | risingtide | #psychewards |
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| 03:43.34 | Sveta | using debian and webmin, how do i allow samba share users to write files but not delete them? |
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| 03:48.49 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 03:48.49 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 03:49.21 | somiaj | Sveta: anyways, unsure how to do this in webmin, I don't think webmin is in debian so not really supported. You may want to ask webmin matainers about that paticular esetting |
| 03:50.12 | somiaj | the other option is to just modify the samba configuration file and manually set up that (unsure if samba has that feature, maybe ask samba). That is almost a sticky bit feature, but the ower of a file can still delete it. |
| 03:51.06 | Sveta | Thanks somiaj, will ask #webmin and get back to you |
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| 04:06.31 | magic_ninja | somiaj, you are in here every day helping people. You paid or what ? |
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| 04:10.36 | somiaj | magic_ninja: nope, I'm part of the many volunteers that make debian possible. I voluneteer with support cause I don't really know how to code. |
| 04:10.40 | somiaj | (well I'm not that good at it) |
| 04:10.59 | somiaj | some volunteers have jobs in the tech field that pays them to also work on debian, I'm just a hobbiest though. |
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| 04:19.11 | magic_ninja | Right on. You are about the only one I see in here consistently volunteering to help out of like 1500 |
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| 04:21.35 | annadane | there's a core group of really smart people. i've tried to help but i'm more often than not unhelpful and i really ought to leave it up to those more capable |
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| 04:21.54 | magic_ninja | Some of that abstraction gets super-complicated. |
| 04:22.13 | magic_ninja | The coding part is pretty easy. What takes time is the data organization and abstraction. |
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| 05:34.55 | shaleh | I am looking for current instructions to build a newer NVIDIA/CUDA setup for Stretch. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is out of date and still points to SVN and alioth. |
| 05:35.19 | somiaj | shaleh: are the version in stretch-backports not new enough for you? |
| 05:36.05 | somiaj | basically there is no supported way to get newer than stretch-backports right now in debian. So I would first check if that version is good enough. |
| 05:36.22 | shaleh | somiaj: I need a 4xx series |
| 05:36.51 | somiaj | ,v libcuda1 |
| 05:36.53 | judd | Package: libcuda1 on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.56-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; sid/non-free: 418.74-1; experimental/non-free: 430.14-1 |
| 05:37.00 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:37.02 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.56-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; sid/non-free: 418.74-1; experimental/non-free: 430.14-1 |
| 05:37.09 | somiaj | 418.56 is availbe in stretch backports. |
| 05:38.36 | somiaj | 430.14 is in experimental. You could try to backport the experimantal packages to stretch (This could be a pain and I would really suggest using the 418.56 version if they will work for you) |
| 05:39.10 | shaleh | it looks like 418.56 should work |
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| 05:41.17 | somiaj | then you can just add stretch-backports to your sources.list and install them normally |
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| 05:43.33 | shaleh | yeah, trying that. |
| 05:43.41 | shaleh | but I am hitting depends failures. |
| 05:44.03 | shaleh | Maybe I am seeing a repo update and I need to be patient while they land. |
| 05:44.24 | shaleh | libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libdrm2 (>= 2.4.75) but 2.4.74-1 is to be installed |
| 05:44.24 | shaleh | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.21 | somiaj | shaleh: what command did you use to install the package? |
| 05:47.29 | shaleh | sudo apt install libcuda1 nvidia-driver nvidia-smi |
| 05:47.41 | somiaj | shaleh: sudo apt -t stretch-backports install foo |
| 05:47.46 | shaleh | Which failed to install so I started walking the depends asking each to install. I hit the one I pasted above |
| 05:47.47 | somiaj | you need to install them from stretch-backports |
| 05:48.06 | somiaj | (and the issue you ran into is because you already have some stretch-backports packages intalled causing problems) |
| 05:48.12 | shaleh | why do i need to force the backports? Isn't apt layering the depends? |
| 05:48.35 | somiaj | stretch-backports (for good reason) is pinned lower, and apt will never pick those packages as canidiates unless you tell it to |
| 05:49.02 | somiaj | (there is some wierdness with this when you have some stretch-backports packages already installed which is what you are running into) |
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| 06:07.57 | shaleh | thanks somiaj that appears to be rolling along now |
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| 06:14.37 | shaleh | spoke too soon. Only CUDA 9 is packaged in stretch-backports... I need 10 |
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| 07:17.00 | tugrul | nothing happens without lspci. |
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| 08:40.37 | HEX0 | I haven't used debian for a while but is dash the default /bin/sh ? |
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| 08:53.59 | met | HEX0, yes |
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| 08:55.22 | kandinski | hi, I futzed an install of 9.0.0 and have rebooted the installer CD into "rescue mode". Can I launch the installer from here? |
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| 08:56.11 | kandinski | I'd like to go straight to "choose kernel" and "install grub", since everything else succeeded. I want to save myself the time of having to repartition, copy all the files (from network, it's a netinst CD). |
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| 09:04.53 | mrtnt | Let's say that one is running Debian "stable" in high-security environment. What are the security-related concerns of enabling backports repo? I guess less testing? |
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| 09:07.07 | mrtnt | I guess even http://security.debian.org security-related patches are not available for backports programs? |
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| 09:15.24 | Johann | Main issue is with security patch yeah. Also those packages are less tested so a little more prone to bugs, but that's usually not much of a security issue. |
| 09:15.49 | mrtnt | Johann: ok, thanks! |
| 09:16.26 | Johann | It's the same issue with testing release btw, security patch have to go through the process of release first, going into unstable before being pushed to testing. Stable has the security repo for short circuiting all that for security patches. |
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| 09:23.04 | bs0d | Hi all |
| 09:23.21 | bs0d | is upgrading stretch -> buster |
| 09:23.48 | bs0d | I started wondering what happens to the testing branch once buster becomes stable? |
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| 09:24.22 | bs0d | one possibility that it will get another name, and to stay on the testing branch I will need to reconfigure the system once again? |
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| 09:36.17 | met | if you have 'testing' in your sources.list, you will stay on testing |
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| 09:45.39 | no_gravity | Does anybody know how to install Eclipse on Debian 9? |
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| 09:45.45 | no_gravity | Oh, Debian 10 I mean. |
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| 09:51.15 | JPT | no_gravity: The eclipse installer is a nice option: https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/installer |
| 09:51.50 | no_gravity | JPT: I only use software from the Debian repos. |
| 09:52.03 | no_gravity | JPT: It seems to be missing in Debian 10. |
| 09:52.12 | JPT | Oh, in that case it's the good old 'apt-cache search eclipse' and see if there's anything that matches. |
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| 09:52.34 | no_gravity | JPT: There isn't. |
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| 09:53.24 | no_gravity | JPT: Looks like it is only available for Debian 8 and 9: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=eclipse |
| 09:53.48 | JPT | Oh, i see |
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| 09:54.19 | JPT | https://tracker.debian.org/news/1006254/removed-381-11-from-unstable/ |
| 09:54.34 | bs0d | stretch -> buster upgrade was a success. No problems encountered. Yay! |
| 09:55.02 | JPT | I suspect that the eclipse installer is the official way to install eclipse now. |
| 09:55.16 | no_gravity | "Official"? |
| 09:56.58 | bs0d | met shall I list testing and testing-updates instead of buster and buster-updates? Is there any other repositories I could list there? Is there testing-security? |
| 09:57.00 | JPT | I assume that there was nobody to maintain the eclipse package, so it got dropped due to it being way too outdated |
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| 09:57.28 | no_gravity | Well... then I will probably never try Eclipse. |
| 09:58.15 | JPT | You could still install eclipse using their official installer (which just downloads the version you want and extracts it somewhere, so you can do that manually, too) |
| 09:58.37 | no_gravity | I could. But I am not *that* interested. |
| 09:59.00 | no_gravity | I'm happy with vim. Just felt like nerding around a bit this morning and try a fat ide like the guys who work in offices. |
| 09:59.26 | JPT | bs0d: If you refer to "buster", it will always be "buster". If you refer to "testing", it may change to whatever comes after "buster" in the future. |
| 10:00.16 | bs0d | JPT exactly, I'd like to stay in the testing branch. I cannot figure out the list of testing CDN-s to use. I've come up with testing and testing-updates only, are there any other ones? |
| 10:00.32 | JPT | I assume there are no others. |
| 10:00.43 | JPT | Let me try to check |
| 10:01.39 | JPT | According to https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting (Paragraph: "How to upgrade to Debian (next-stable) Testing"), there's no security or -updates repo |
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| 10:03.41 | bs0d | JPT thank you! I will comment -updates out as well |
| 10:04.02 | JPT | Enjoy your testing journey :) |
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| 10:04.53 | no_gravity | It seems when "apt install" says it will install 700mb it means the uncompressed size of the files? |
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| 10:14.25 | bs0d | JPT thanks :) |
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| 11:02.20 | centrix | I found in squid.conf "auth_param negotiate program /usr/lib/squid3/negotiate_wrapper_auth --ntlm /usr/bin/ntlm_auth --helper-protocol=squid-2.5-ntlmssp --domain=DOM1 --kerberos /usr/lib/squid3/negotiate_kerberos_auth -d -s GSS_C_NO_NAME" |
| 11:02.52 | centrix | How come the negotiate_kerberos_auth does not need a keytab? |
| 11:03.02 | centrix | I found none on the server. |
| 11:04.13 | centrix | My post may be more suitable for squid guys, but I founded it on a debian. Thus I post it here first to eliminate OS related stuff. |
| 11:04.16 | centrix | Thank you. |
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| 11:32.22 | anzipex | Can somebody help me with virtual serial port? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/523990/linux-client-program-to-connect-to-a-virtual-serial-port |
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| 12:04.34 | wwilliam | i entered a sensitive password on my command line and i am unable to delete from history it keeps popping up i edited /root/.bash_history i did history -d history -w |
| 12:04.46 | wwilliam | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.56 | wwilliam | how do i delete that line permanently? |
| 12:05.22 | whislock | wwilliam: Have you tried 'history -c'? |
| 12:06.19 | wwilliam | uyyy I dont wanna delete the whole history |
| 12:07.08 | toruvinn | well you could export HISTFILE=/dev/null after editing it. the trick here is that bash overwrites your .bash_history on close hence adds it there again |
| 12:07.24 | bs0d | In order to run software on a remote server, but display on my local machine, does the remote server need to have a xorg server installed? |
| 12:07.40 | Neobenedict | wwilliam: edit the file, then kill -9 $$ |
| 12:07.47 | Neobenedict | will kill your terminal without writing to the bash history |
| 12:07.54 | ksk | bs0d: if you use for example vnc (xtightvnc) then no. |
| 12:08.10 | BazookaTooth | you can delete single lines using the d switch |
| 12:08.15 | ksk | there are methods to also do that (like share the picture a real monitor is showing), but its not needed at all. |
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| 12:08.34 | ksk | you can have a headless server (without gpu/monitor) and make it run X-stuff on your local machine |
| 12:08.56 | ksk | or, the x-stuff runs on your machine, and uses the dat stored on $server. |
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| 12:09.03 | ksk | would be more precize. |
| 12:09.11 | ksk | x2go is also a thing, afaik. |
| 12:09.36 | BazookaTooth | get the line number from 'history' then 'history -d whateverthenumberis' |
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| 12:10.05 | bs0d | ksk so to run let's say xterm on a remote server which does not have a desktop environment on my local machine without vnc, the server needs to have an X server there - I am getting it right? |
| 12:10.54 | ksk | bs0d: not sure, sorry :P look for debian wiki only, it will have something about this topic. |
| 12:11.01 | ksk | s/only/online |
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| 12:11.03 | BazookaTooth | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49214/how-to-remove-a-single-line-from-history |
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| 12:13.49 | wwilliam | Neobenedict: Thank you that worked great ufff. |
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| 12:17.31 | {xmb} | can someone fix again the new perl in experimental to not deinstall apt-file and xorg ? |
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| 12:24.16 | corsair | hello back |
| 12:24.39 | corsair | someone here said they had a fix/workaround for the asus vivobook touchpad not working with debian? |
| 12:25.49 | corsair | I found a question made in askubuntu about this issue and some people claim this is solved by running a more recent version of the kernel |
| 12:25.55 | corsair | they run 4.19 |
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| 12:26.26 | corsair | here I am stuck with 4.9 in stretch unfortunately, is there anything I can do to upgrade it? |
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| 12:26.37 | towo` | yes, use backports |
| 12:26.57 | corsair | towo`: can you elaborate, how would I do that? |
| 12:27.07 | towo` | !bpo |
| 12:27.07 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 12:27.57 | corsair | towo`: from the description I take it backports are older versions of the kernel |
| 12:28.26 | corsair | unless I am getting the naming convention incorrectly, 4.19 is more recent than 4.9 |
| 12:29.17 | corsair | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086033/asus-tuf-fx504-ubuntu-18-04-touchpad-not-working |
| 12:29.26 | towo` | backports has linux-image-4.19 |
| 12:29.31 | towo` | what's the problem? |
| 12:29.40 | corsair | my touchpad doesnt work basically |
| 12:29.46 | corsair | I run debian stretch |
| 12:30.42 | corsair | I dont even understand why, is this a problem of lack of support or what is it? |
| 12:31.22 | towo` | coryou asked for kernel 4.19 |
| 12:31.28 | dvs | corsair, how new is the ASUS Vivobook? |
| 12:31.31 | towo` | which you can find on backports |
| 12:31.52 | corsair | dvs: just recently bought |
| 12:32.13 | corsair | towo`: what is more recent 4.19 or 4.9? |
| 12:32.23 | bs0d | hmm I figured out how to run remote software on my local display: ssh -Y ip command. I still do not understand if the remote server's X server is involved, or my local one? |
| 12:32.27 | towo` | what a question |
| 12:32.45 | towo` | coris 19 greater than 9? |
| 12:33.02 | towo` | corsair, is 19 greater than 9? |
| 12:33.04 | dvs | towo`, 4.9 and 4.19 could be interpreted as decimal numbers |
| 12:33.14 | towo` | since when? |
| 12:33.34 | dvs | to the uninitiated |
| 12:33.41 | dvs | to the layman |
| 12:34.13 | corsair | towo`: isnt it it odd that 4.19 is in a repo called BACKPORTS and then it is suddently 10 kernel versions ahead? |
| 12:34.32 | corsair | towo`: dont you find that odd? |
| 12:34.41 | towo` | corsair, you haven't read the backports page, did you? |
| 12:34.56 | corsair | I read the text the bot pasted |
| 12:35.10 | dvs | corsair, no because only some kernels are designated as long term support |
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| 12:35.38 | corsair | ok so let me try that then, could be in fact a problem with the kernel |
| 12:37.45 | dvs | corsair, how new is the ASUS Vivobook? I don't mean when you bought it. I mean when was it first released. |
| 12:38.08 | corsair | its an ASUS VivoBook S15 |
| 12:38.16 | corsair | thats the best I can do |
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| 12:40.08 | jelly | bs0d: testing is VERY unstable right after a release |
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| 12:40.46 | dvs | corsair, the best I can see it was last September |
| 12:41.48 | corsair | dvs: is that bad? |
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| 12:42.31 | dvs | corsair, it takes time to create the code from specs. |
| 12:42.37 | corsair | ok I have added the backports repo |
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| 12:42.55 | corsair | dvs: is it worth it to try the 4.19 kernel? |
| 12:43.09 | dvs | yes |
| 12:43.17 | corsair | ok how do I install it then? |
| 12:43.50 | bs0d | jelly so I should keep my apt pointed at buster repository for some time before setting it to testing? |
| 12:43.52 | dvs | corsair, apt -t stretch-backports install kernel-image-amd64 |
| 12:44.11 | jelly | bs0d: people who like to pretend testing is a usable rolling release for a daily work are advised to wait for a couple weeks, yes |
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| 12:44.50 | bs0d | jelly thanks for letting me know. How unstable is testing, in general? |
| 12:44.52 | jelly | bs0d: so you might as well switch from buster to bullseye then, and never actually use "testing" in sources.list |
| 12:45.00 | corsair | dvs: unable to locate package kernel-image-64 |
| 12:45.09 | bs0d | jelly bullseye? |
| 12:45.13 | dvs | that's not what I typed |
| 12:45.18 | corsair | dvs: unable to locate package kernel-image-amd64 |
| 12:45.29 | jelly | codename for next release that will become testing when buster is out |
| 12:45.36 | jelly | !bullseye |
| 12:45.36 | dpkg | The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/07/msg00002.html |
| 12:45.38 | dvs | corsair, apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:45.42 | dvs | oops my fault |
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| 12:50.04 | Logg | i hope they use "Zurg" soon |
| 12:50.20 | dvs | doubt it |
| 12:50.33 | Logg | because he's a bad guy? |
| 12:50.35 | dvs | unless there's another unstable like release |
| 12:51.04 | Logg | to be fair "Buster" doesn't sound like a stable operating system either lol |
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| 12:51.24 | corsair | hey |
| 12:51.25 | corsair | it worked |
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| 12:52.01 | corsair | tocuhpad is working. But I want to learn the implications here... what are the drawbacks or running this linux image versus the 4.9 one? |
| 12:52.27 | Logg | backports are stable, only drawback is having to install it. |
| 12:53.25 | corsair | but thats so odd, how can 4.19 be more stable than 4.9, assuming 4.9 is older? |
| 12:53.46 | Logg | older =/= more stable. some things get improved, like support for your touchpad |
| 12:53.50 | dvs | corsair, 4.9 is older, 4.19 has newer code in it |
| 12:54.30 | jelly | their "stability" is similar |
| 12:54.30 | corsair | ok |
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| 12:54.45 | corsair | I am really glad this worked |
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| 12:55.52 | corsair | also currently I am using the neauveu driver instead of an nvidia driver, should I leave it that way? are there any advantages in terms of power saving if I switch to the nvidia driver? |
| 12:56.10 | corsair | I am not entirely sure of the neauveu driver is using the GPU |
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| 12:56.42 | LtL | corsair: touchpad working? |
| 12:56.47 | corsair | LtL: absolutely |
| 12:56.53 | LtL | corsair: great |
| 12:56.55 | dvs | corsair, as far as nvidia is concerned, if it works don't touch it. |
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| 12:57.48 | corsair | dvs: yeah this laptop doesnt have a killer GFX card, so my only concern is battery saving |
| 12:58.21 | corsair | my other laptop was in deed special because it was an ASUS ROG and I actually installed the proper nvidia card |
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| 12:59.46 | corsair | can you guys give me some pointers (if there are any) like small tips and tricks to maximize battery performance on linux? Linux doesnt seem to be very friendly when it comes to battery usage |
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| 13:02.27 | dvs | corsair, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 13:02.57 | corsair | corsair@debian:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 13:03.00 | corsair | performance powersave |
| 13:03.24 | dvs | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 13:03.46 | corsair | corsair@debian:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 13:03.46 | corsair | powersave |
| 13:03.50 | corsair | corsair@debian:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 13:03.50 | corsair | powersave |
| 13:03.52 | dvs | that's good |
| 13:04.06 | corsair | what does this mean? |
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| 13:04.43 | dvs | it speeds up and slows down the CPU to save power |
| 13:05.07 | corsair | is there anything I can do if I want to switch to a battery saving mode? |
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| 13:05.39 | dvs | dunno |
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| 13:06.07 | Logg | I think i've seen it in gnome, but I don't use gnome. |
| 13:06.08 | corsair | like there exist those two modes, I was wondering if I could turn one on or the other |
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| 13:06.35 | corsair | one thing I do in KDE is to reduce the brightness on the screen |
| 13:06.40 | corsair | because it comes maximized |
| 13:07.31 | Logg | corsair: xbacklight can adjust brightness. |
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| 13:08.04 | dvs | corsair, KDE? What about the Power Management item in the System Settings? |
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| 13:18.16 | weedloser | the intel pstate powersave governor is optimal |
| 13:18.35 | weedloser | as for graphics card, you're better off disabling it if your igpu is sufficient. |
| 13:18.48 | weedloser | well, dedicated gpu. |
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| 13:47.20 | pax_rhos | hello |
| 13:47.24 | pax_rhos | where to get debian 9.6? |
| 13:47.39 | greycat | Why? |
| 13:47.51 | pax_rhos | cause we have a cluster of proxmoxes running on 9.6 |
| 13:47.58 | greycat | !proxmox |
| 13:47.58 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 13:48.22 | pax_rhos | huh? |
| 13:48.31 | pax_rhos | I don't ask for support about proxmox |
| 13:48.39 | pax_rhos | I need debian 9.6 |
| 13:48.40 | greycat | A more general answer: 9.6 is simply stretch from a few months back, missing several important security patches. There is no reason to run an older patch release of stretch. Just run stretch. |
| 13:49.15 | pax_rhos | yes, I need that |
| 13:49.17 | beardy | pax_rhos: Just make sure you have "stretch" in your sources.list |
| 13:50.32 | beardy | pax_rhos: Proxmox uses regular Debian mirrors, and just has its own repo(s) on top of it. |
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| 13:50.54 | pax_rhos | so is there a way to download stretch 9.6 from debian.org or do I have to trust 3rd party sources? |
| 13:51.05 | jelly | pax_rhos: debian 9.6 has security issues, if you use an old 9.6 installer image, it will patch itself up to 9.9 right away |
| 13:51.14 | pax_rhos | oh |
| 13:51.21 | jelly | during the install process. |
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| 13:51.59 | beardy | pax_rhos: Why do you think you need it? Do as I say.. |
| 13:52.05 | jelly | you would have to pick one exact snapshot before 9.7 and use that as a mirror. |
| 13:52.08 | jelly | !snapshot |
| 13:52.08 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 13:52.21 | greycat | I'm still waiting for an answer to "Why?" |
| 13:52.36 | jelly | because vendor says they support 9.6 |
| 13:52.46 | jelly | whatever vendor that may be |
| 13:52.47 | greycat | then see !proxmox |
| 13:53.09 | jelly | I mean in general, I have a product vendor says "Debian 9.4" |
| 13:53.27 | jelly | but if ask them whether we may patch up OS they say yes. |
| 13:53.46 | beardy | Yes. But who tf with a clue uses version numbers when it comes to Debian. |
| 13:54.10 | jelly | pax_rhos: so ask your vendor if they allow patching the OS for security updates, if they say yes, just install Debian 9 |
| 13:54.43 | pax_rhos | well, I'd go with 9.9 but our previous admin (he's way more experienced than I am) just told me that I don't want to be a beta-tester of newer versions and it's better to go with 9.6, the same version other servers of our proxmox cluster run on |
| 13:54.57 | beardy | No. Just update his Proxmox the regular Debian way, make sure it says the release name, "stretch", like usual. |
| 13:55.53 | greycat | pax_rhos: just imagine the glory when your fellow admin's boxes are all pwn3d by the exim4 remote execution vulnerability, and yours (up to date Debian 9.x) are safe |
| 13:56.38 | pax_rhos | greycat: that exim exploit is for very narrow/specific set of settings |
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| 14:00.32 | bezaban | looks like dsa-4456-1 is being actively exploited |
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| 14:02.44 | bezaban | crafted emails with bad recipients download a payload, enable password auth, put a chattr'd .ssh/authorized_keys in root and a cron job |
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| 14:03.36 | koios | hi |
| 14:04.02 | bezaban | so highly recommend an upgrade of your exim packages on stretch |
| 14:04.03 | pax_rhos | we use exim only for outgoing emails |
| 14:04.11 | pax_rhos | but I'll upgrade it anyways |
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| 14:25.08 | MrChinasky | Hey, so i dummly removed /etc/apt/sources.list.d. Since then apt get update returned error at every apt update. Removing the 'deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main' line removed all warnings. Is it a critical line, and do i have a chance to fix what's broke if i update from Jessie to Stretch ? |
| 14:25.28 | greycat | !jessie-updates |
| 14:25.28 | dpkg | jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17. |
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| 14:27.37 | jim | greycat, also he removed his /etc/apt/sources.list.d, which was empty anyway |
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| 14:27.45 | jim | can he just make it again |
| 14:27.46 | jim | ? |
| 14:28.06 | greycat | yes, it's just an empty directory by default |
| 14:28.19 | jim | ok, thanks |
| 14:28.31 | Gaffoonie | Should just need to make sure the permissions are correct, right? |
| 14:28.39 | greycat | root 755 |
| 14:28.55 | jim | that's probably the default |
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| 14:51.12 | DonAlex | Hey all.. does anyone know when or if the Xorg SIS video driver stopped being included into Debian builds ? |
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| 14:51.40 | DonAlex | Far as I can tell it is still in the upstream Xorg.. but I cannot find it in any of the Debian source packages |
| 14:52.08 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-sis seems to still be in |
| 14:52.23 | greycat | unless -sisusb is something different from what you're looking for |
| 14:52.35 | Tenkawa | yeah I see sisusb |
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| 14:53.18 | Tenkawa | if its a pci card he might have to look for a backport |
| 14:54.01 | DonAlex | Yeah.. it is a laptop so PCI/AGP |
| 14:54.27 | DonAlex | sisusb is for usb devices.. not embedded ones. |
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| 14:55.02 | DonAlex | Not sure why it would be a backport when it is still current in the upstream Xorg source ? |
| 14:56.04 | greycat | xserver-xorg-video-sis is in wheezy but not jessie |
| 14:56.15 | DonAlex | ftp://ftp.freedesktop.org/pub/xorg/current/src/driver/ |
| 14:56.34 | DonAlex | See the driver source is still there.. so just asking why it is not in debian? |
| 14:57.16 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xserver-xorg-video-sis |
| 14:57.17 | themill | #732478 |
| 14:57.18 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/732478 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: xserver-xorg-video-sis -- ROM; unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-12-15; last modified: 2014-01-16. |
| 14:57.30 | DonAlex | hmmm |
| 14:58.16 | greycat | what does "ROM" mean in this context? |
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| 14:59.20 | DonAlex | I am not at all sure.. |
| 14:59.48 | DonAlex | I mean it is not like the card needs any special binary blobs.. |
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| 15:00.04 | DonAlex | hell not even sure Nvidia was around when this card was made ;) |
| 15:00.08 | themill | Request of Maintainer |
| 15:00.26 | themill | The version is reported to not even compile against any X released in the last 8 years |
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| 15:00.47 | Tenkawa | its basicly not being supported anymore |
| 15:00.48 | DonAlex | Ok so that is a packaging problem then? It was not maintained. but should I not still be able to compile the driver myself from source ? |
| 15:01.02 | themill | DonAlex: not from what the maintainer says |
| 15:01.16 | DonAlex | hmm |
| 15:01.34 | Tenkawa | it sounds like its broke and noone wants to spend the time to fix/port it |
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| 15:02.37 | \dev\cache | Hi how can i create a checksum file for contents inside a directory? |
| 15:02.38 | DonAlex | Bottom line is I cannot breath life into this old laptop |
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| 15:03.38 | greycat | \dev\cache: recursively, or not? |
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| 15:05.15 | greycat | I'll pick one, then. Recursive. find "yourdir" -type f -exec sha1sum {} + > somefile |
| 15:05.27 | greycat | replace sha1sum with whatever program you wish |
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| 15:11.27 | stofflswelt | Hi! I'm using ufw on my debian server. When I disable ufw, I can access my directories via FTP. But when I enable ufw, I can login, but I cannot receive the file list. What am I missing??? |
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| 15:12.39 | \dev\cache | greycat: recursively? |
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| 15:12.53 | Psi-Jack | Well, ufw is a nasty little thing. And FTP, is a horrible protocol. |
| 15:13.04 | themill | stofflswelt: Likely you're missing that ftp is an utter pain in the arse to work with (as you've just demonstrated) and it's probably time to use something else... |
| 15:13.13 | greycat | \dev\cache: good, that's the answer I gave. |
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| 15:13.45 | Psi-Jack | themill: Heh, not probably, definitely. :) |
| 15:14.02 | jelly | stofflswelt: use sftp, which is built-in and comes with openssh-server by default |
| 15:14.07 | winny | stofflswelt: which ftp daemon are you using? It seems vsftpd is the least troubling to get set up correctly Also you might need to configure your FTP client to not use passive |
| 15:14.42 | stofflswelt | winny, I'm using proftpd |
| 15:14.45 | winny | people will go on recommending sftp but it's probably important to note there isn't a set convention for anonymous access, so it's site specific, unlike ftp, where anonymous ftp is a convention followed everywhere |
| 15:15.09 | \dev\cache | greycat: No i am asking what do you mean by recurisvely I just would like to generate a checksum file for all files within a given folder so that way I can ensure no data rot or something during transfers |
| 15:15.16 | stofflswelt | It is not anonymous. As I said, I can login. |
| 15:15.20 | themill | we've had http for a few decades now |
| 15:15.24 | jelly | proftpd supports sftp as well. |
| 15:15.42 | jelly | use that. Do _not_ use ftp protocol. |
| 15:15.57 | greycat | recursive means directories inside directories |
| 15:16.10 | winny | rather: know why you want FTP and not sftp, don't take some advice about not using ftp at face value :) |
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| 15:16.38 | jelly | winny: unless they know damn well why they need ftp, they should not use it |
| 15:16.42 | greycat | I agree that he should arm himself with knowledge. |
| 15:16.57 | greycat | The more he knows about FTP, the more likely he will refuse to support it. |
| 15:17.05 | jelly | and if they knew, they'd probably know enough about its firewall woes |
| 15:17.05 | winny | jelly: we don't know that so that's why i suggested they learn more |
| 15:17.09 | stofflswelt | I'm using the froxlor panel - btw |
| 15:17.49 | somiaj | \dev\cache: how are you transfering files. If you use rsync, it can do checksums for you to ensure the files are the same as part of the transfer. (not that your method won't work, but there are tools for such things) |
| 15:18.03 | themill | If someone goes off and reads all about ftp and eventually decides they still want it, then I question their technical prowess in 1999, 2009 and 2019. |
| 15:18.30 | \dev\cache | somiaj: no its for transfer between VM's and such |
| 15:18.39 | somiaj | \dev\cache: you can still use rsync for that |
| 15:18.44 | somiaj | espically if they all have sshd running |
| 15:19.13 | jelly | I mean okay, ftp can be done right but I've seen exactly one public anonymous ftp server doing it right (TLS only) |
| 15:19.23 | somiaj | It can still be useful to have a copy of the checksums, just again pointing out there are nice tools for transfering files and ensuring they are the exactly the same. |
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| 15:20.03 | \dev\cache | so sha256sum * > file.256 wont work, because it wont go into the directories |
| 15:20.04 | somiaj | yea, it is a shame that some webhosts only use ftp for access, still don't know why. |
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| 15:20.16 | \dev\cache | is there a way to get it to go inside the directories without doing it manually |
| 15:20.18 | greycat | \dev\cache: that would be an example of a NON-recursive solution |
| 15:20.19 | somiaj | \dev\cache: which is why greycat gave you a recrusive method. |
| 15:20.59 | \dev\cache | greycat: now you guys have me confused |
| 15:21.04 | \dev\cache | is it a recursive or not |
| 15:21.14 | jelly | try it and see? |
| 15:21.34 | greycat | find is recursive unless you go out of your way (-maxdepth) to stop it from recursing |
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| 15:25.05 | greycat | the solution that you asked about \dev\cache> so sha256sum * > file.256 wont work, because it wont go into the directories is non-recursive. "Won't go into directories" is precisely what non-recursive means. |
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| 15:25.24 | \dev\cache | greycat: how do you remember all these weird commands |
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| 15:27.26 | jelly | lack of grey laser pointers and grey mice running around |
| 15:27.27 | greycat | find is extremely common, and for good reason, but I can't deny that it's quite weird. It has a very different syntactic structure than almost everything else. |
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| 15:27.49 | dvs | xargs is good too |
| 15:28.01 | greycat | only under VERY specific circumstances |
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| 15:28.16 | greycat | for the most part, xargs is extremely naughty, and gets no pudding |
| 15:28.23 | \dev\cache | lol |
| 15:28.28 | dvs | d'oh! |
| 15:28.30 | greycat | that's why its main functionality was absorbed into find with -exec + |
| 15:28.54 | jelly | I avoid -exec like hell and only do find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ... |
| 15:28.59 | greycat | that's acceptable |
| 15:29.04 | dvs | That's what I was thinking |
| 15:29.20 | dvs | the syntax to use -exec is not obvious |
| 15:29.24 | jelly | 's less prone to thinkos and having to look things up |
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| 15:29.38 | jelly | and really, {} and ; as syntax in shell. |
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| 15:30.23 | themill | (xargs uses {} too, of course) |
| 15:30.36 | jelly | I avoid that, too |
| 15:30.41 | themill | :) |
| 15:30.43 | greycat | if you're using {} in an xargs command, you're usually doing something very wrong |
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| 15:31.06 | themill | or just using a command where you can't put all the filenames at the end |
| 15:31.31 | jelly | can't avoid putting parameters in the middle of a command? find ... -print0 | xargs -iX -n1 -0 do something with X and then do something else |
| 15:31.57 | jelly | and -r for xargs if there's a chance there are no matches. |
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| 15:32.46 | jelly | recently I've been abusing xargs in oneliners that don't use find |
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| 15:34.05 | fastputty | question guys, is it possible that CLOSE_WAIT status is higher in lsof than netstat? |
| 15:34.41 | jelly | fastputty: both of those commands are slow and prone to race conditions |
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| 15:35.11 | jelly | and ss, which you're maybe supposed to use instead of netstat, can be even slower but is more accurate |
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| 15:41.15 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I just ran a program on the command line and got the following message: |
| 15:41.17 | Lady_Aleena | Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 14: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. please move it to /home/me/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf manually |
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| 15:42.25 | Lady_Aleena | 50-uder.conf: http://paste.debian.net/1087247/ and fonts.conf: http://paste.debian.net/1087248/ |
| 15:43.04 | Lady_Aleena | So, do I move .fonts.conf to the new location and then edit 50-user.conf? |
| 15:43.35 | nixew | Any recommendations for how to rescue wiped data from a SDHC card? The data weren't overwritten and I need some software for it. Is TestDisk suitable? |
| 15:43.42 | themill | Lady_Aleena: you only need do the first of those |
| 15:43.48 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: why not just move it? |
| 15:44.19 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I am planning on moving it, I just wanted to see if I had to edit the 50-user.conf file. |
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| 15:44.27 | greycat | no |
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| 15:44.41 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: why do you think you'd have to edit it? The output does not say to edit it. |
| 15:44.56 | Logg | nixew, make a disk image before running any software on it. testdisk sometimes works, photorec is good |
| 15:45.25 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, maybe it was a mental leap that I took. |
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| 15:46.13 | nixew | Logg, disk image of the SDHC card? Will it backup the "invisible" data if the data on the card is overwritten? |
| 15:47.32 | Lady_Aleena | Now I can't move it because there is already a fonts.conf in .config/fontconfig/: http://paste.debian.net/1087249/ |
| 15:47.59 | jelly | pick the one with your desired tunings |
| 15:48.10 | greycat | make sure the new one has the stuff you want, and then remove the old one |
| 15:48.20 | themill | Lady_Aleena: did you look through those two files and see any differences? |
| 15:48.29 | themill | (or similarities, more to the point) |
| 15:48.55 | DonAlex | Lady_Aleena: it is one of those annoying upgrade but not removed the cruft problems. You could just purge the fonts and re-install them and it will get rid of the warning. |
| 15:49.03 | Lady_Aleena | ~/.fonts.conf is a lot smaller than ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf |
| 15:49.03 | apt | ...but /.fonts.conf is already something else... |
| 15:49.05 | nixew | Logg: can I make a disk image using dd? |
| 15:49.13 | jelly | who unmuted apt |
| 15:49.29 | jelly | apt: forget /.fonts.conf |
| 15:49.29 | apt | i forgot /.fonts.conf, jelly |
| 15:49.36 | DonAlex | nixew: Better to use ddrescue. |
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| 15:49.47 | nixew | DonAlex: alright, thanks. |
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| 15:50.43 | themill | Lady_Aleena: Given the difference in size, looking for the config of one already duplicated in the other would be a good start. |
| 15:52.02 | Lady_Aleena | All the ~/.fonts.conf has in it is the <dir>, ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf has the <dir> and a lot of other things. So I'm thinking that it may be safe to remove ~/fonts.conf. |
| 15:53.03 | themill | indeed |
| 15:53.05 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1087248/ and paste.debian.net/1087249 are the two files respectively. |
| 15:53.38 | jelly | clearly the answer is xml_merge |
| 15:53.42 | jelly | hides |
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| 15:54.14 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, why merge when the "data" in the former is already in the latter? |
| 15:54.16 | dvs | finds jelly and pats jelly on the back. |
| 15:54.55 | Lady_Aleena | So, remove ~/fonts.conf and shut up about it already? |
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| 15:57.21 | Lady_Aleena | does it and hopes it doesn't break anything. |
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| 16:00.57 | \dev\cache | greycat: what is {} +? |
| 16:01.04 | \dev\cache | i know what this does > but not those 2 |
| 16:04.29 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 16:05.32 | eblip | hey debian install is asking me if i want to install debian desktop environemtn and hten gnome or xfce kde etc. |
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| 16:05.55 | eblip | what happens if i just opt for debian desktop and no gnome.etc.. |
| 16:06.01 | kreyren | How do you get nouveau working on debian? |
| 16:06.03 | eblip | will it default to gnome |
| 16:06.09 | annadane | if you select desktop environment it will default to gnome |
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| 16:06.19 | kreyren | relevant ;https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/d476876d29e1fec1db8226dc1b4789a2 |
| 16:06.23 | eblip | ah thanks annadane |
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| 16:06.32 | eblip | ill deselect that then for now |
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| 16:15.42 | annadane | kreyren, i don't know but maybe also ask #nouveau i guess |
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| 16:24.25 | jelly | eblip: the default installer will default to gnome, however if you got the xfce installer iso image it would default to xfce, and so on |
| 16:25.04 | eblip | i finished the install and now i just have a terminal ...so im just installing xmonad and urxvt and a few more things and im done |
| 16:25.09 | eblip | thanks |
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| 16:30.38 | annadane | i always uncheck everything but "standard system utilities" |
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| 16:31.39 | Mondo | New install of Stretch and I'm getting username not a member or sudo group. Booted into recovery and tried to "addusr <username> sudo" but I'm getting addusr command not found. |
| 16:31.53 | rant | Mondo: its adduser |
| 16:31.53 | greycat | it's adduser, with an e |
| 16:32.00 | Mondo | Thanks! |
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| 16:32.29 | rant | sudo isnt installed by default |
| 16:32.36 | greycat | (mondo left) |
| 16:33.19 | greycat | if you give a root password, sudo isn't installed; if you DON'T give a root password during install, sudo is installed, and the user account you create during the installation is added to group sudo |
| 16:33.40 | rant | yes, I know :D |
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| 16:38.54 | nixew | Logg: what if I don't have ddrescue installed? apt seems like it can't find it. |
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| 16:42.27 | ksk | nixew: "apt-cache search ddrescue" - it implies said package is named gddrescue |
| 16:42.45 | ksk | don't forget about the GNU! |
| 16:43.26 | greycat | as opposed to all those other ddrescues .... |
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| 16:44.23 | nixew | ksk: what do you mean? |
| 16:44.33 | Mond_O | adduser worked. Thanks, again! |
| 16:44.33 | nixew | Found gddrescue, but what about the GNU? |
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| 16:44.57 | ksk | the g in front of "ddrescue" is there, because it stands for GNUddresue - most likely.. |
| 16:45.12 | Mond_O | Why do I get lvmetab failed to connect at boot? |
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| 16:47.17 | Mond_O | Does it have something to do with the encryption? |
| 16:48.05 | Mond_O | I see it on my Stretch workstation and on my CentOS server |
| 16:48.32 | rant | lvmetad is a daemon that caches LVM metadata.. its not running when the scripts in initrd run |
| 16:49.23 | Mond_O | OK. So, it's normal and OS resolves itself |
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| 16:49.40 | rant | yes.. lvmetad is not required to use LVM |
| 16:49.58 | Mond_O | OH? Good to know! |
| 16:49.59 | rant | it just makes lvm commands work faster and be more flexible |
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| 16:50.26 | Mond_O | Everything else seems fine. So, I'll stop worrying! |
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| 16:51.20 | Mond_O | Thanks, again, people! You guys rock! |
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| 16:58.28 | rant | feels more like a polka or something right about now :P |
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| 18:05.32 | Aqo | hi nice people of debian |
| 18:05.38 | Aqo | I have a question but I'm not sure if this is the right place |
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| 18:06.05 | Aqo | I got a debian9 vm on google's servers and I'm trying to install mysql with apt but it's failing to install |
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| 18:06.42 | ksk | seems fitting. |
| 18:06.43 | ksk | !bat |
| 18:06.43 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:06.45 | Aqo | I've previously installed mysql on debian9 on digitalocean with no problems but this time around I'm kind of stuck. I tried to purge, autoclean, reboot, redownload and reinstall... but it won't work |
| 18:06.58 | Aqo | ok lets see |
| 18:07.12 | Aqo | can I use something like github gist to paste logs? |
| 18:07.20 | Aqo | or is there a preferred paste method here |
| 18:07.51 | vishal | !ix |
| 18:07.55 | vishal | or not |
| 18:08.03 | Aqo | I'll use github gists. |
| 18:08.06 | ksk | !paste |
| 18:08.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:08.10 | ksk | github should be fine though. |
| 18:08.16 | Aqo | basically right now mysql is "installed" on the machine but it doesn't work |
| 18:08.27 | Aqo | systemctl reports error exit code |
| 18:08.37 | Aqo | the problem seems to be related to a failed config on a dependency during the apt install script |
| 18:08.38 | ksk | Aqo: but is it installed correctly? like, apt-get upgrade does not come back with an error? |
| 18:08.45 | Aqo | I'll purge everything |
| 18:08.54 | Aqo | and start over |
| 18:08.55 | Aqo | and then save all the logs and post a gist |
| 18:08.57 | Aqo | give me a moment |
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| 18:09.38 | ksk | Did you make sure the purge all mysql-related packages? I suppose "mysql-server" purge might not remove datadir? not sure.. |
| 18:09.45 | ksk | s/the/to/ |
| 18:10.12 | Aqo | I start by calling `apt-get remove --purge mysql` |
| 18:10.25 | Aqo | when it asks me to remove data directories I say yes |
| 18:10.47 | Aqo | now I call `dpkg -l | grep -i mysql` to see if there's any packages left |
| 18:10.50 | Aqo | it returns nothing |
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| 18:11.10 | Aqo | now I call `apt-get autoremove` |
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| 18:11.18 | ksk | !enter |
| 18:11.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:11.31 | Aqo | oh...thanks for the warning |
| 18:11.59 | Aqo | I just thought it might be better to post steps individually instead of one huge wall of text |
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| 18:12.34 | Aqo | https://gist.github.com/aqocyrale/a263308545a25e3dbf536cb322394ca8 |
| 18:12.46 | Aqo | this is the result of calling `locate mysql` after having down the steps mentioned before |
| 18:13.10 | ksk | most likely not needed, but okay. |
| 18:13.16 | ksk | trust the apt. |
| 18:13.19 | Aqo | okay |
| 18:13.27 | Aqo | so, now I shall reboot the machine and try to install |
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| 18:14.38 | Aqo | just to be safe, I called apt upgrade and apt update after the reboot. also, do note that I want mysql8 so I'm using the deb files from the mysql team dev repo |
| 18:15.05 | Aqo | http://repo.mysql.com/ specifically I'd like to get mysql-apt-config_0.8.13-1_all.deb here which seems to be the latest |
| 18:15.32 | Aqo | although anything from mysql-apt-config_0.8.10-1_all.deb and later will probably be fine (versions before that only have a preview version of mysql8 and are probably better for 5.7/5.6) |
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| 18:16.15 | corsair | hey guys |
| 18:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | I thought debian was moving to maria. |
| 18:16.19 | corsair | its me again |
| 18:16.23 | corsair | ALL IS GREAT. |
| 18:16.33 | Aqo | does maria work with workbench? |
| 18:16.33 | corsair | but I wanted to install virtualbox. |
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| 18:17.12 | corsair | The distribution packages containing the headers are probably: |
| 18:17.12 | corsair | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.28 | Aqo | anyway, I'm going to add it now. I cd to /tmp and then call `wget http://repo.mysql.com/mysql-apt-config_0.8.13-1_all.deb` to get the deb file, and then `dpkg -i mysql-apt-config_0.8.13-1_all.deb` |
| 18:17.31 | jhutchins_wk | Aqo: I think so. |
| 18:17.40 | corsair | linux-headers-amd64 is installed, but the other one isn't. |
| 18:17.56 | Aqo | I'm keeping settings here at the deb's default like in this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/eEpMTVI.png |
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| 18:18.12 | Aqo | can probably remove the tools and connectors but I'll keep it on for now |
| 18:18.20 | jhutchins_wk | Aqo: Which debian release are you on? |
| 18:18.31 | Aqo | err how can I check the specific version |
| 18:18.34 | corsair | http://paste.debian.net/1087279/ |
| 18:18.35 | jhutchins_wk | !virtualbox |
| 18:18.35 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 18:18.38 | Aqo | I know it's deb9 but not sure exactly which one |
| 18:19.12 | Aqo | cat /etc/debian_version returns 9.9 |
| 18:19.15 | corsair | jhutchins_wk: the problem I have here is with those specific packages |
| 18:19.23 | Aqo | oh god irc turned it into an emoji... 9 point 9 |
| 18:19.28 | corsair | can you guys help me out? |
| 18:19.44 | greycat | Aqo: it looks normal on this end, so it's just your client showing you weird things |
| 18:19.56 | Aqo | what do you mean my client |
| 18:20.05 | greycat | whatever you're using to communicate with IRC |
| 18:20.08 | Aqo | oh |
| 18:20.11 | Aqo | yeah my bad |
| 18:20.13 | corsair | vbox seems to install regardless but, its probably broken if I cant install those |
| 18:20.25 | Aqo | anyway after adding the package with dpkg |
| 18:20.53 | Aqo | I call apt update which runs with no errors and says All packages are up to date in the end |
| 18:21.03 | jhutchins_wk | corsair: Check the wiki, I do debian on VB, not VB on debian. |
| 18:21.08 | Aqo | and now I'll call `apt install mysql-server` which is where I got issues last time |
| 18:21.10 | ksk | Aqo: eh? first of all, you are using a 3rd party repo. then, you dont just "wget" a .deb file and install that. add the sources.list from upstream, and use apt to install packages. |
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| 18:21.14 | Aqo | so I'll drop a gist with the logs here |
| 18:21.27 | Aqo | oh, thanks ksk |
| 18:21.46 | Aqo | I'm new to this so I didn't know I could do this |
| 18:21.49 | ksk | this package will depend on many more packages, which are only avaiable via that mysql repo. |
| 18:22.06 | ksk | Aqo: there should be ressources over at mysql that tell you how to do that. |
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| 18:22.16 | Aqo | I thought apt would take care of downloading them |
| 18:22.23 | Aqo | hmm |
| 18:22.28 | jhutchins_wk | corsair: You haven't said what the actual problem is. |
| 18:22.46 | ksk | Aqo: if you told apt to install mysql, it would... |
| 18:22.57 | Aqo | but apt show mysql returns mysql 5.5 |
| 18:22.57 | ksk | but you use the low level tool dpkg (dont do that). |
| 18:23.03 | Aqo | and I want mysql 8.0 |
| 18:23.12 | corsair | corsair@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo apt install -t stretch-backports linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 |
| 18:23.20 | corsair | ^solved it like that |
| 18:23.23 | ksk | Aqo: then comply to the documentation coming with said version of that software. |
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| 18:23.40 | Aqo | mysql has specific documentation for debian? |
| 18:23.43 | eblip | how do you check if a package is installed on debian |
| 18:23.47 | corsair | if I specify backports it installs the headers without issues |
| 18:23.54 | greycat | eblip: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 18:23.55 | ksk | Aqo: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/linux-installation-debian.html - you know google? :> |
| 18:24.07 | Aqo | I did google and didn't get this page on my results orz |
| 18:24.16 | greycat | or many, many other possible commands depending on what output format you want |
| 18:24.19 | Aqo | but okay |
| 18:24.25 | Aqo | thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 18:24.28 | Aqo | I'll follow the guide on this page |
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| 18:24.40 | Aqo | do I need to undo the steps I did previously to proceed? |
| 18:24.59 | ksk | better to remove the now-broken package. might not be needed.. |
| 18:25.24 | ksk | Aqo: use the "mysql apt repository" btw, and do not use the 2nd method :P |
| 18:25.40 | Aqo | oh |
| 18:25.54 | LtL | corsair: something like, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) /* should install headers for the current/running kernel */ |
| 18:26.28 | dvs | LtL, but that'll only get the headers for the current kernel |
| 18:26.30 | Aqo | but ksk |
| 18:26.37 | Aqo | this guide literally tells me to do what I was just doing earlier |
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| 18:26.45 | corsair | LtL: failed if I didnt use -t backports |
| 18:26.46 | Aqo | to download a deb file and use dpkg |
| 18:26.49 | dvs | apt -t stretch-backports install linux-headers-amd64 |
| 18:26.57 | corsair | LtL: I was using 4.19 , remember?! |
| 18:26.58 | LtL | dvs: doesn't corsair have the 4.19 kernel running? |
| 18:27.06 | dvs | corsair, apt -t stretch-backports install linux-headers-amd64 |
| 18:27.07 | ksk | Aqo: no, it does not. the .deb you download there is something which setups the mysql-upstream-repo, so you dont have to do that. |
| 18:27.25 | Aqo | oh |
| 18:27.26 | dvs | LtL, yes, but he installed it using the linux-image virtual package |
| 18:27.27 | ksk | Aqo: its not the mysql-server you install via dpkg in the first step.. |
| 18:27.34 | Aqo | I see |
| 18:27.41 | corsair | dvs: LtL it seems it is now working and vbox no longer complains |
| 18:27.45 | Aqo | so the server is later in the line |
| 18:27.46 | LtL | yeah, -t is important, i did say 'something like' |
| 18:27.49 | eblip | hmm thanks greycat... i think i was looking for the wrong package...i was trying to see if firefox was installed ..and it seems to be called firefox-esr |
| 18:27.50 | Aqo | and I need a whole bunch of dependencies for it first |
| 18:28.06 | dvs | corsair, I'd still run my statement so both the image and headers will be up to date |
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| 18:28.13 | greycat | eblip: "dpkg -l | grep firefox" is also helpful if you don't know the exact names |
| 18:28.22 | eblip | ah thanks |
| 18:28.47 | corsair | dvs: ok |
| 18:28.56 | corsair | sudo apt update |
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| 18:29.54 | dvs | 93 bugs left! |
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| 18:31.58 | Aqo | I ran into the same problem as before when using mysql's deb package from your link ksk |
| 18:32.19 | Aqo | https://gist.github.com/aqocyrale/a263308545a25e3dbf536cb322394ca8 |
| 18:32.28 | eblip | doesnt look like google chrome stable is in the repo |
| 18:32.39 | Aqo | this gist includes the error logs (towards the end of apt-get install mysql-server) |
| 18:32.43 | greycat | google-chrome-stable is available from google, not from Debian |
| 18:33.02 | eblip | ah ok so i must do this ...wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb |
| 18:33.10 | Aqo | "dpkg: error processing package mysql-community-server (--configure):" "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 18:33.11 | greycat | if you install their .deb, it will create an entry in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ to keep you up to date |
| 18:33.21 | greycat | sources* |
| 18:33.32 | eblip | ah ok thanks |
| 18:33.55 | Aqo | I followed the steps listed here https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-apt-repo-quick-guide/en/#apt-repo-fresh-install |
| 18:34.04 | Aqo | but got the same exact result in the end |
| 18:34.08 | greycat | but yes, the *first* time, you can just download their .deb file and use apt install ./google-chrome-stable*.deb |
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| 18:34.36 | bs0d | Hi everyone. |
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| 18:34.50 | dvs | bs0d, go away, Windows! ;-) |
| 18:34.54 | corsair | btw I am absolutely sure that I have an extra hard drive that has 1 TB of memory, I am booting on a 256GB ssd |
| 18:35.07 | corsair | but most likely ms malware formatted it as an NTFS drive |
| 18:35.11 | bs0d | dvs another upgrade to buster didn't go so well |
| 18:35.11 | jhutchins_wk | Aqo: Look at your logs, look at /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
| 18:35.12 | greycat | fdisk -l |
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| 18:35.34 | corsair | actually not really... otherwise I would see it |
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| 18:35.43 | bs0d | Is it possible to download firmware-iwlwifi in the form of a deb package? |
| 18:35.44 | bruceeinstein | The current time is 9.344 KS |
| 18:35.47 | corsair | what utility should I use to see it? |
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| 18:35.59 | greycat | corsair: fdisk -l |
| 18:36.08 | g0zzy | I'm locked out as root of mariadb. Can someone tell me please how to get back in and ensure root can connect? |
| 18:36.12 | bruceeinstein | The current time is 9.372 KS |
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| 18:36.20 | greycat | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:36.21 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1 |
| 18:36.35 | corsair | greycat: I dont have fdisk |
| 18:36.38 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: Check the README file. |
| 18:36.47 | corsair | greycat: sudo apt-get install fdisk yeilds NOTHING |
| 18:36.50 | greycat | corsair: well, there's also lsblk, blkid, etc. |
| 18:36.52 | corsair | yields |
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| 18:36.57 | Aqo | jhutchins which files to check? I have several directories here with files like changelog.Debian.gz copyright LICENSE.gz README |
| 18:37.01 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: Had you previously been able to log in, or is this a new install. |
| 18:37.11 | bs0d | greycat is there any place I can download a .deb for firmware-iwlwifi? I cannot use apt - no network connection on that machine |
| 18:37.12 | Aqo | and the changelog.Debian.gz is just binary gibbrish |
| 18:37.13 | dvs | corsair, fdisk should be a base package |
| 18:37.18 | greycat | bs0d: package.debian.org |
| 18:37.21 | corsair | dvs: like sux |
| 18:37.21 | greycat | GAH |
| 18:37.22 | Aqo | well more like I should've ungzipped it |
| 18:37.24 | greycat | bs0d: packages.debian.org |
| 18:37.24 | Aqo | ugh |
| 18:37.24 | jhutchins_wk | Aqo: Mostly the README files. |
| 18:37.25 | corsair | life* |
| 18:37.39 | bs0d | greycat thanks! |
| 18:37.44 | Aqo | well the readme doesn't tell me anything I didn't know |
| 18:37.54 | Aqo | it just says basic readme stuff like "this product was brought to you by oracle blah blah" |
| 18:38.02 | jhutchins_wk | dvs: I think the default these days is parted, because it handles GVS. |
| 18:38.02 | g0zzy | jhutchins_wk: I thought i'd fixed this before but evidently not |
| 18:38.27 | g0zzy | It's not new but i don't remember when i last logged in as root |
| 18:38.37 | dvs | That's smart |
| 18:38.59 | corsair | I can see the drive its sda1 |
| 18:39.12 | greycat | it's good to do that every once in a while just to make sure you remember the password |
| 18:39.13 | dvs | corsair, that a partition |
| 18:39.31 | corsair | dvs: ok |
| 18:39.43 | corsair | I would like to have it mounted all the time when I boot my machineº |
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| 18:39.51 | corsair | makes no sense to have to mount it every time |
| 18:39.56 | greycat | then add an entry in /etc/fstab |
| 18:40.11 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 18:40.38 | jhutchins_wk | I've resorted to keepass2. |
| 18:40.53 | corsair | actually it was mounted by KDE when I clicked it /media/corsair/C66EAB526EAB3A57 |
| 18:40.58 | corsair | is this random every time? |
| 18:41.04 | corsair | (the folder name) |
| 18:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | corsair: Might be the drive "name". |
| 18:41.34 | jhutchins_wk | Some sort of internal identifier. |
| 18:41.52 | corsair | anyway still sucks that I need to click it |
| 18:41.56 | jhutchins_wk | corsair: What you probably want to do is put it in /etc/fstab by it's UUID. |
| 18:41.59 | corsair | so /etc/fstab? |
| 18:42.08 | g0zzy | Thanks. Looking |
| 18:42.19 | bs0d | I got networking back. Will apt now upgrade this package when needed, or I need later to remove this firmware .deb and reinstall using apt? |
| 18:42.58 | greycat | "lsblk -f" is one way to get the UUID for your file system(s) |
| 18:43.00 | corsair | jhutchins_wk: that seems the kind of stuff that if gone wrong would make my system not boot |
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| 18:43.23 | greycat | the string corsair got from KDE looks like the string that I see on my Windows file systems |
| 18:43.27 | corsair | ââsda1 ntfs C66EAB526EAB3A57 /media/corsair/C66EAB526EAB3A57 |
| 18:43.32 | greycat | yes, that |
| 18:44.17 | corsair | I like the smell of pwnage when I see it |
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| 18:47.13 | corsair | UUID=C66EAB526EAB3A57 /media/corsair/C66EAB526EAB3A57 ntfs |
| 18:47.17 | corsair | is this okay? |
| 18:47.32 | greycat | are you sure you want to keep it formatted as ntfs? |
| 18:47.39 | corsair | greycat: yes |
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| 18:47.59 | greycat | I would at least give it a better mount directory |
| 18:48.10 | corsair | ok, lets do something else then |
| 18:48.49 | corsair | corsair@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo mkdir /media/greycat |
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| 18:49.34 | corsair | http://paste.debian.net/1087284 |
| 18:49.50 | corsair | is this OK? |
| 18:50.05 | greycat | you test it to find out |
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| 18:50.22 | corsair | lets see if I can boot then |
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| 18:51.58 | jhutchins_wk | Rats, missed him. You put it in as noauto and try mounting it, then you change it to auto. |
| 18:52.16 | dvs | jhutchins_wk, and there's no numbers at the end of the entry |
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| 18:52.32 | corsair | it worked. |
| 18:52.36 | dvs | ??? |
| 18:52.49 | corsair | dvs: the fstab thingº |
| 18:52.55 | dvs | jhutchins_wk, as you were saying?? ;-) |
| 18:53.20 | g0zzy | jhutchins_wk: That didn't work with the init file. Access denied :( |
| 18:53.20 | jhutchins_wk | dvs: Those are optional. |
| 18:53.28 | dvs | corsair, I'm a bit surprised it worked because there are no numbers at the end of your fstab entry |
| 18:53.41 | dvs | jhutchins_wk, oh, ok |
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| 18:55.14 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: Yeah, the init file's never worked for me. Use the --skip-grant-tables thing in B.4.3.2.3 |
| 18:55.46 | g0zzy | OK trying now |
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| 18:58.50 | g0zzy | Bugger. Now i'm getting syntax error for ALTER USER 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'foo' |
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| 19:02.09 | corsair | dvs: WTF?!?! you say that now? |
| 19:02.19 | corsair | dvs: what numbers should there be? |
| 19:02.27 | greycat | corsair: man fstab |
| 19:02.35 | greycat | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 19:02.38 | Aqo | I think I realized my problem |
| 19:02.41 | Aqo | I get "Warning: apt-key should not be used in scripts " |
| 19:03.00 | Aqo | do I need to download some key manually to proceed with dpkg install of a package? |
| 19:03.04 | corsair | options /dump /pass why would I need those anyways |
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| 19:03.38 | dvs | I'm not sure what dump does but pass tell when the drive should be mounted. |
| 19:03.45 | greycat | I would imagine you want 0 0 for the numbers, because I can't imagine anything good coming from an attempt to fsck an ntfs volume |
| 19:03.57 | greycat | but maybe I'm behind the times |
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| 19:04.20 | corsair | it works, lets not touch it |
| 19:04.20 | greycat | as for options, I'm astonished that you reported it "worked" with no options to override the username mapping or anything |
| 19:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | g0zzy: flush privileges. |
| 19:04.49 | greycat | I guess if you wanted it to be effectively root-only, then hey, great |
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| 19:06.50 | corsair | can you guys give me a line or should I read through this documentation |
| 19:06.51 | g0zzy | I *think* i did that. But i wrote raw update DDL and that worked ;) |
| 19:07.17 | jhutchins_wk | corsair: For what? |
| 19:07.21 | g0zzy | Thanks for your support |
| 19:07.28 | corsair | for the fstab thing |
| 19:07.34 | corsair | I need to mount sda1 |
| 19:07.48 | jhutchins_wk | corsair: What filesystem did you find? |
| 19:07.58 | corsair | its ntfs |
| 19:08.05 | jhutchins_wk | !ntfs |
| 19:08.05 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 19:08.25 | corsair | why the fuck are you doing that |
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| 19:08.30 | corsair | I know what ntfs is |
| 19:08.41 | jhutchins_wk | corsair: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 19:08.50 | corsair | !banana |
| 19:08.57 | corsair | !computer |
| 19:08.57 | dpkg | i guess computer is technically, this is anything that inputs data, processes it in some way, and outputs it. |
| 19:08.59 | greycat | corsair: you need to tell us what you want |
| 19:09.08 | greycat | you claimed it "worked" |
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| 19:09.24 | corsair | greycat: it does work, but you told me that I should add more stuff |
| 19:09.32 | corsair | you or... someone else |
| 19:09.48 | greycat | because we all assume it isn't actually doing what you want yet, but we don't know what you want to use it for just yet |
| 19:09.51 | greycat | because you won't tell us |
| 19:10.08 | greycat | if you want it to be read-only for root-only, then leave it as is |
| 19:10.37 | joshinct | Got Linux installed on that ancient G3 iBook! Had to roll all the way back to Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin to get a working installer disc. 16.04 is the last PowerPC version, but the install media hangs on boot regardless of what *buntu flavor tried. 14.04 also shouldâve worked, in theory, but thereâs a never-fixed bug specific to G3 PowerPCs that causes a kernel panic when booting from the install medias |
| 19:10.37 | joshinct | (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1341334). A bunch of coasters later, I got a working install. Now running release upgrades to get up to 16.04. |
| 19:11.19 | corsair | greycat: I want my normal (non root) user 'corsair' to be able to read from it, write to it |
| 19:11.31 | corsair | ultimately dump there all my porn collection |
| 19:11.34 | corsair | and VMS |
| 19:11.38 | greycat | then you look up what mount options are required to achieve that, and you put those in the options field in fstab |
| 19:12.00 | corsair | cant you tell me that in advance, I really hate reading stuff related to fstabº |
| 19:12.26 | greycat | well, *SOMEONE* tried to convey information to you through a bot factoid but you yelled at them for it |
| 19:12.45 | corsair | lol |
| 19:12.47 | corsair | sorry, ok |
| 19:13.27 | greycat | you should scroll up and read what the bot said, and the few lines of dialog after that point |
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| 19:27.02 | corsair | greycat: can I do smth like this: /dev/sdb1 /test1 ext3 defaults 0 0 ? |
| 19:27.08 | corsair | ext3 is ntfs |
| 19:27.19 | corsair | test1 becomes /media/greycat |
| 19:27.30 | corsair | and dev/sdb1 becomes /dev/sda1 |
| 19:27.32 | corsair | ? |
| 19:27.41 | greycat | "can I do this but with every single field changed in some random way that" |
| 19:27.54 | greycat | s/ that// |
| 19:28.05 | whislock | greycat: Isn't that what they call devops? |
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| 19:29.07 | corsair | greycat: yes?no? |
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| 19:29.21 | greycat | I don't have the slightest clue what you're trying to ask me |
| 19:29.34 | corsair | are you retarded? |
| 19:29.37 | corsair | like seriously? |
| 19:29.38 | Psi-Jack | Wow. |
| 19:29.44 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:29.52 | Psi-Jack | Like seriously. The one that can't even spell "something", is asking if someone else is retarded? |
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| 19:30.09 | whislock | corsair: How to Make Friends and Influence People in the Digital Age, by Dale Carnegie. Might want to give it a good read or six. |
| 19:30.26 | OerHeks | ah something, not smithy |
| 19:30.30 | Psi-Jack | hehe |
| 19:30.46 | greycat | He also used profanity at someone who triggered a relevant bot factoid for him. |
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| 19:30.59 | greycat | !vampire |
| 19:30.59 | dpkg | methinks vampire is see: http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires |
| 19:31.35 | OerHeks | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.44 | FreeBDSM | hello, I'm trying to set up bridges on 2 interfaces and the server's network stopped working shortly after I did `systemctl restart networking`. `journalctl -xe` tells me `Could not generate persistent MAC address for vmbr0: No such file or directory` and same for the other interface. |
| 19:31.47 | greycat | missing the options field, OerHeks |
| 19:32.07 | OerHeks | oh options, go wild with options |
| 19:32.14 | greycat | and no, we don't advise replacing UUID=Cwhatever with /dev/sda1 because sda1 is NOT a reliable thing |
| 19:32.19 | OerHeks | just saying /mnt/ is what you want |
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| 19:33.09 | greycat | in some arbitrary future, your NTFS file system could be /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdc1 |
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| 19:33.23 | FreeBDSM | what did I do wrong? |
| 19:33.37 | Psi-Jack | You didn't charge. |
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| 19:33.49 | FreeBDSM | my /etc/netowrk/interfaces is basically https://paste.ee/p/UQwEn |
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| 19:41.01 | Alpha-Omega | Hello, in the Debian 9.9 installer, is there an option for where to install the bootloader? |
| 19:41.25 | Alpha-Omega | I did an install, and have issues booting from it. And I don't see anywhere to select this option. |
| 19:41.41 | annadane | there is, how did you write the iso to your install medium? you may have a corrupt image |
| 19:42.00 | greycat | or it's a Legacy vs. UEFI thing |
| 19:42.15 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 19:42.15 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 19:42.18 | annadane | ^ |
| 19:44.16 | Alpha-Omega | I tried reinstalling GRUB, and I'm installing with a BIOS boot partition, tried both UEFI boot and legacy, and neither boots it. I see the efi file, and select it under UEFI, and it goes back to BIOS menu. |
| 19:44.47 | Alpha-Omega | annadane: Didn't write the image, using virtual image. |
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| 19:45.16 | Alpha-Omega | So what step does the option for selecting the bootloader installation location come up in the graphical installer? |
| 19:45.41 | annadane | IIRC it's after software selection |
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| 19:46.40 | Alpha-Omega | After software selection, I deselect the DE, select SSH, and it begins installing. |
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| 19:47.00 | annadane | right, after that step |
| 19:47.03 | jhutchins_wk | I seem to recall it's right at the end of the install. |
| 19:47.09 | annadane | once it's done all that, it goes to grub-install |
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| 19:49.05 | annadane | i'd possibly check if the image is corrupt using checksum |
| 19:49.08 | annadane | checksums* |
| 19:49.27 | annadane | unless anyone here has a better idea |
| 19:50.29 | NetTerminalGene | i use brave browser. beat me |
| 19:50.40 | Psi-Jack | gets his beating club out. |
| 19:51.00 | greycat | annadane: I'm guessing it's something to do with this "virtual" whatever he talked about but did not go into *any* details about |
| 19:51.09 | annadane | that's fair |
| 19:51.20 | annadane | i assumed "virtual machine" but that need not be the case |
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| 19:54.01 | BazookaTooth | flakey motherboard with csm/legacy like greycat mentioned was my guess. which can easily be rectified with a live usb and proper mobo setings |
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| 20:28.23 | itsame_ | Hello, I'm wondering if anyone can help. While trying to backup a directory using zip I've managed to somehow create a .gz for each file in the directory instead of just the one with the contents of the directory... is there a quick way to unzip? |
| 20:28.47 | greycat | gunzip *.gz |
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| 20:29.24 | itsame_ | will that delete the .gz file after unziping? |
| 20:29.34 | greycat | yes |
| 20:29.44 | itsame_ | ah great thank you. Will try it |
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| 20:32.40 | itsame_ | it semi worked. There directories within directories which didn't unzip |
| 20:33.00 | greycat | find . -type f -name '*.gz' -exec gunzip {} + |
| 20:33.18 | dvs | +? I thought it was \; |
| 20:33.28 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 20:33.59 | greycat | \; runs one gunzip command for each file. + runs one gunzip command for a whole bunch of files at a time. |
| 20:34.10 | itsame_ | you are a hero! back to normal |
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| 20:35.37 | itsame_ | Not sure how I managed to do that in the first place. |
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| 20:36.30 | greycat | Worth pointing out: gzip isn't an archiver. It's *only* a compressor. It can only compress a single file into a single file. If you want an *archive* (multiple files inside a single file), you need an archiving program like tar, cpio, pax... or zip. |
| 20:39.07 | dvs | greycat, interesting, but i'll stick to \; to be safe (and slow) |
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| 21:10.42 | watom | hey. seems that buster is ignoring my sshd in pam.d :( |
| 21:11.32 | greycat | grep UsePAM /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 21:13.05 | watom | is enabled. i only added as always at end of sshd in pam.d folder "session optional pam_exec.so quiet /root/myscript.sh". but is not running it after i login through ssh. but is as example working if i add that same line to sudo file in pam.d and run sudo |
| 21:13.32 | greycat | is /root world-executable? |
| 21:13.43 | greycat | (it usually is not) |
| 21:13.58 | watom | nope |
| 21:14.07 | greycat | try putting it somewhere that your user account can actually read |
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| 21:15.17 | watom | wait but which user will run that script? i'm not sure |
| 21:15.37 | greycat | I'm not either, but let's eliminate this from the picture. |
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| 21:17.55 | tmroland | any idea how can i improve desktop graphics performance using proxmox to access a vm ? drawing and moving windows is very slow |
| 21:17.59 | watom | not working with the script r-x by everyone |
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| 21:18.12 | greycat | watom: not the script... not just the script... the *directory* it's in. |
| 21:18.29 | watom | yep. folder and file |
| 21:18.39 | greycat | the script and every directory in the path to the script must be world-executable. the script must also be world-readable. |
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| 21:18.58 | watom | i just tested. i can run the script from users |
| 21:19.14 | greycat | if that doesn't fix it, the next step is to get some errors from the logs. maybe remove that word "quiet" you've got. |
| 21:19.27 | jmcnaught | tmroland: proxmox isn't supported here, but I would look into using the SPICE protocol instead of VNC (if that's what proxmox is using) |
| 21:19.47 | greycat | the man page also shows a "debug" option that you could try |
| 21:21.04 | watom | i get only the line "pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user ..." in systemctl status sshd |
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| 21:24.28 | watom | in journactl i have " pam_exec(sshd:session): Calling /root/script.sh ..." O_o |
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| 21:24.56 | greycat | that's good. |
| 21:25.08 | greycat | so, what makes you think it isn't working? |
| 21:27.00 | greycat | Well, standard tools and techniques for debugging shell scripts apply. Turn on set -x, use exec 2>>/var/tmp/myscript.log, and so on. Figure out what's happening. |
| 21:27.02 | watom | well that's really weird |
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| 21:33.45 | tehnull | any ideas why I can't connect to clementine on my debian 9.9 machine running clementine 1.3.1 over my lan using the current clementine remote app from the google play store? I have -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5500 -j ACCEPT in my iptables. It worked well the last time I tried it a few wks ago |
| 21:34.31 | tehnull | all other services on the machine are connectible |
| 21:35.04 | BazookaTooth | qt breaking shit again? :p |
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| 21:47.58 | tehnull | well this is interesting |
| 21:48.17 | tehnull | port scanning my system from my phone and it says 0 open ports |
| 21:49.05 | tehnull | meanwhile I've got 2 users in another state streaming content from the jellyfin service running on this machine |
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| 21:50.40 | SerajewelKS | how is it possible in "free" output that "buffer/cache" could be larger than "used"? |
| 21:51.37 | dvs | "buffer/cache" is not counted as part of "used"? |
| 21:51.49 | SerajewelKS | it is though |
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| 21:52.25 | SerajewelKS | at least it was in the last debian release, when we had the "+/- buffers/cache" line |
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| 21:52.42 | SerajewelKS | you might be right, it could have changed |
| 21:52.55 | dvs | Oh? since when did buffer/cache become a column and not a row? |
| 21:53.06 | SerajewelKS | between jessie and stretch :) |
| 21:53.16 | SerajewelKS | i don't like the new output |
| 21:53.30 | dvs | me neither! |
| 21:53.54 | SerajewelKS | i have a box that's somehow using 800MB of ram with basically nothing running, i can't figure it out. top and ps aren't helpful. |
| 21:54.02 | SerajewelKS | by my estimation, everything should be using about 200-300MB |
| 21:54.35 | BazookaTooth | it's like comparing ss to netstat :p |
| 21:54.38 | SerajewelKS | there's 2GB of ram and only 1GB is "available" |
| 21:54.51 | SerajewelKS | but i can guarantee you that the processes combined aren't using 1GB |
| 21:55.01 | SerajewelKS | there's like 700MB of usage i can't explain |
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| 21:58.37 | SerajewelKS | nscd is the highest memory consumer O_o |
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| 22:00.02 | SerajewelKS | looks like it might be in the kernel!? |
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| 22:17.31 | wpostma | Just upgrade my video card, and got it to boot up into mate desktop with my Radeon RX 560. But I can't test the GL performance as extension GLX is missing. How do I set up GLX/OpenGL for an AMDGPU driver XServer in Stretch? |
| 22:17.52 | wpostma | ie: |
| 22:18.07 | wpostma | glxinfo returns only that GLX is missing |
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| 22:21.58 | wpostma | Looking at my xorg logs, it says Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
| 22:22.09 | wpostma | which is some kinda default GLX module, not specifically nvidia or AMD, right? |
| 22:23.09 | tehnull | can anyone explain to me why my machine would be connectible from wan but not lan? |
| 22:23.55 | wpostma | what do you mean connectible? You can ping it from LAN or you can't? |
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| 22:26.53 | tehnull | I can ping it but I can't connect to any services from lan |
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| 22:28.02 | tehnull | for instance I have an httpd running I can't connect to from lan |
| 22:28.12 | tehnull | but can from wan just fine |
| 22:28.20 | somiaj | most likely a routing issue, how are you trying to connect to it from lan? Are you using the interal ip or the external. |
| 22:28.36 | tehnull | internal |
| 22:29.22 | somiaj | you may have to describe your network setup. Sounds like a routing issue if the machine cannot connect to another on a paticular port, or some firewall getting in the way. |
| 22:30.38 | tehnull | I have isp provided modem/router combo with the ports forwarded |
| 22:30.58 | somiaj | port forwards are usually only on the external address, not the internal. |
| 22:31.19 | tehnull | right but why would there be a firewall for the lan |
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| 22:31.41 | tehnull | there's nothing else between the machine and the router |
| 22:31.55 | somiaj | but it sounds like your network/firewall is not allowing any thing to travel to the machine, and you'll have to analyize your network. Without knowing how your network is setup it would only be guesses from me. |
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| 22:32.18 | somiaj | could also be a route issue and how the trafic is routing through your network. |
| 22:32.27 | tehnull | I mean it shouldn't even go through the firewall it should just go through the internal switch on the router right? |
| 22:32.45 | somiaj | it totally depends on your routes. |
| 22:33.07 | somiaj | you need to probably share your network info such as ip address for the lan, output if ip route, etc |
| 22:33.28 | tehnull | I don't know what any of that is lol |
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| 22:33.39 | tehnull | everything is as out of the box as can be |
| 22:34.17 | tehnull | just default router settings only thing I changed was port forwards and set dhcp ip reservation to reserve 192.168.0.3 for this machine |
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| 22:35.03 | tehnull | is it possible something cocked up my iptables config? |
| 22:35.19 | somiaj | could be, as I said it is either a firewall or routing issue |
| 22:35.23 | tehnull | how would I go about restoring it to default allow all inbound? |
| 22:35.31 | somiaj | you can just flush all the tables. |
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| 22:36.17 | somiaj | iptables -L (if that shows you any rules flush them with iptables -F) |
| 22:36.27 | somiaj | you may also want to check the nat table, so iptables -t nat -L |
| 22:36.32 | risingtide | can anybody help me get mongodb and mysql up and configured? |
| 22:36.38 | risingtide | been struggling for days |
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| 22:36.52 | risingtide | and dunno where to start again |
| 22:37.14 | risingtide | I can give you ssh or vnc in a pm |
| 22:37.23 | risingtide | if that's allowed |
| 22:37.43 | jmcnaught | it should be discouraged |
| 22:37.44 | wpostma | oi that would be suicide, don't do that. |
| 22:37.50 | risingtide | okay |
| 22:37.54 | risingtide | fair enough |
| 22:37.58 | risingtide | okay so |
| 22:38.00 | somiaj | you can do whatever you want, but I wouldn't give a stranger root access to any of my machines |
| 22:38.13 | risingtide | I have it backed up |
| 22:38.15 | wpostma | if you want someone to do stuff to your box, you should probably go to a local linux meetup and see who wants to help there, locally. |
| 22:38.16 | somiaj | if you give away your root password, you are gonna have a bad day. |
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| 22:38.48 | jmcnaught | risingtide: pick one to focus on, tell us the step you're stuck on, what errors you're getting etc. |
| 22:38.49 | risingtide | not as sharp right now |
| 22:38.54 | risingtide | mentally |
| 22:39.02 | ska | Will ZFS be easier to install/boot-from on debian10? |
| 22:39.18 | risingtide | been on a regimine of anti-psychotics that are slowing my cognition down, I feel really dumb and slow |
| 22:39.28 | risingtide | might be a good idea for me to just wait |
| 22:39.32 | somiaj | ska: I think you'll still have to do a debootstrap manual install. If you are capable of that you should be fine. |
| 22:40.16 | ska | somiaj: I'm ok with debootstrap, but the steps for 9 seems long and tedious. |
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| 22:40.50 | jmcnaught | risingtide: best not to saddle yourself with a complex set of software that you don't really understand that well. My advice is to set up a VM like virtualbox or virt-manager and practice on those where it's okay to make mistakes |
| 22:41.22 | somiaj | ska: I found this, https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian-Buster-Root-on-ZFS, seems to also be a chore. |
| 22:41.33 | risingtide | ah, this is just my vPS...I can mess it up if I want |
| 22:41.39 | somiaj | ska: I personally am happy with ext? as it works for me, so haven't dived into this. |
| 22:41.41 | risingtide | it's wipable |
| 22:41.52 | ska | somiaj: Thanks.. |
| 22:41.58 | risingtide | Basically a VM |
| 22:42.03 | jmcnaught | risingtide: messing something up on the public internet is different than messing it up at home :) |
| 22:42.04 | risingtide | but yeah |
| 22:42.18 | risingtide | I'd like to at least get mongodb up and running |
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| 22:42.23 | risingtide | with NodeBB |
| 22:42.31 | risingtide | simple forum stuff |
| 22:42.32 | somiaj | to get support here, you should try something and let us know what is wrong. mariadb is easy to install in debian and have running. |
| 22:42.53 | somiaj | I haven't messed with mongodb, but after intalling the package, did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mongodb |
| 22:43.01 | ska | somiaj: I use software raid 1 and 6 usually and am happy with it, and its somewhat easy to install. |
| 22:43.04 | risingtide | I think mariadb may have been there |
| 22:43.08 | wpostma | It appears that even though I installed the amdgpu drivers, XOrg server is using VESA driver for my AMD Radeon RX 560. Anyone know how to get modern Radeon RX cards running on Debian? |
| 22:43.13 | risingtide | lemme resinstall mariadb |
| 22:43.29 | somiaj | wpostma: a) have you installed the nonfree firmware? |
| 22:43.34 | risingtide | should mariadb register as Mysql in something like phpBB |
| 22:43.40 | wpostma | [ 14.381] (II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 <-- this means it's USING VESA right? |
| 22:43.42 | somiaj | wpostma: and b) if running stretch, you may need a newer kenrel and firmware from stretch-backports for nwer cards. |
| 22:43.56 | wpostma | Probably that's it. |
| 22:44.11 | somiaj | I would first start with the non-free firmware, package name is firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:44.14 | risingtide | I kept getting an error message saying it needed mysql 4 or greater |
| 22:44.15 | somiaj | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
| 22:44.16 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1 |
| 22:44.54 | somiaj | wpostma: if that doesn't work, get a newer kernel and firmware from stretch backports. |
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| 22:45.59 | risingtide | hi tony |
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| 22:47.45 | wpostma | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:47.47 | wpostma | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.56 | wpostma | That's what I get if I try to install 4.19 kernel from backports |
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| 22:50.04 | wpostma | I have something odd going on which blocked my dist-upgrades and kept showing me the above even though I have no pinned packages that I know of. |
| 22:50.12 | jmcnaught | wpostma: was that the result of "apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64"? |
| 22:50.14 | wpostma | Possibly I have some OLD thing from backports installed. |
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| 22:50.23 | wpostma | Is there a "show me currently installed backports" apt command? |
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| 22:52.14 | LtL | wpostma: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F '%100p' |
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| 22:53.17 | LtL | works perfectly for me, you need aptitude for it tho' |
| 22:53.48 | wpostma | Ok wow. That's a great command. I have a literal tonne of backports installed. |
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| 22:54.00 | wpostma | It's like it defaulted to backports instead of requiring the -t. |
| 22:54.53 | LtL | i doubt that unless you did something weird |
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| 22:59.12 | wpostma | Ok I am just an idiot. For example this works where I actually type the right package name for my archictecture: sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install "linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64" |
| 22:59.43 | wpostma | But just sudo apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-4.19 does not, which is NOT that surprising. |
| 23:00.09 | wpostma | The apt-get error messages might be better. Sometimes the error really is "you gave us a package name and we did our best, and we give up". |
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| 23:02.14 | risingtide | okay something is wrong with my packages |
| 23:02.20 | risingtide | how to I resolve this? |
| 23:02.23 | risingtide | https://pastebin.com/YtqjNzGe |
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| 23:04.29 | edman007_ | hi, is there a list somewhere saying what version of debian works with what kernel? |
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| 23:04.57 | annadane | ,kernels |
| 23:04.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-3~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 23:04.59 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
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| 23:05.15 | edman007_ | ohh, thanks |
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| 23:06.03 | annadane | "works" is a bit of a misnomer though, it's not like only one kernel will work with only one debian version |
| 23:06.24 | annadane | you can compile your own for instance |
| 23:06.30 | annadane | and obviously use the stretch-backports kernel on stretch |
| 23:07.10 | edman007_ | yea, i'm asking because i have an older NVR that i'm trying to hack a real distro onto, i'm trying to boot using the pre-installed kernel |
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| 23:08.20 | edman007_ | kernel doesn't have devtmpfs apparently |
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| 23:14.04 | eb0t | test |
| 23:15.49 | dvs | !test |
| 23:15.50 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 23:23.31 | wpostma | even with latest stretch backports kernel, the AMD RX 5xx series video cards don't work properly with Debian. Various firmware files from 2018 are still not in the firmware nonfree packages. |
| 23:23.50 | wpostma | I had to manually download a few .bin files and put them into /lib/firmware, and still I get this error in 4.19 kernel: |
| 23:24.07 | wpostma | [ 5.739762] [drm:amdgpu_device_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* hw_init of IP block <powerplay> failed -22 |
| 23:24.08 | wpostma | [ 5.739829] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu_device_ip_init failed |
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| 23:24.26 | wpostma | So basically it looks like Radeon RX 560 and Stretch is a No Go? |
| 23:24.33 | dvs | That's too new |
| 23:24.59 | dvs | The RX 560 wasn't around when stretch was released |
| 23:24.59 | wpostma | Ugh. 2017 (2 years old) is too new. :-) |
| 23:25.17 | dvs | !stretch |
| 23:25.17 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 23:25.31 | dvs | yup |
| 23:25.31 | wpostma | Ah. |
| 23:25.55 | wpostma | I see. So 9.x latest may be released in 2019, but Stretch itself goes back prior. |
| 23:26.30 | wpostma | I guess I'll go back to my crap Nvidia card which also Debian doesn't like, for a while. :-) |
| 23:26.30 | dvs | 9.x is only a point release. New features aren't added to point releases |
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| 23:26.51 | dvs | wpostma, you could try the backported kernel |
| 23:27.00 | wpostma | I did, I think 4.19 is a backports kernel right? |
| 23:27.06 | dvs | yes |
| 23:27.13 | dvs | and backported firmware? |
| 23:27.23 | wpostma | ya |
| 23:27.32 | wpostma | Debian 4.19.37-3~bpo9+1 is my uname. bpo means backport right? |
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| 23:28.10 | dvs | yes |
| 23:28.25 | dvs | but did you get the nonfree firmware too? |
| 23:28.59 | wpostma | firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version (20161130-5) |
| 23:29.11 | wpostma | is what I see when I try to do an apt-get install of that with the -t flag specified |
| 23:29.21 | wpostma | 2016 does seem pretty ancient. |
| 23:29.23 | dvs | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:29.24 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1 |
| 23:29.41 | dvs | stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2 |
| 23:30.46 | wpostma | oh weird. so the -t command isn't enough I also need to get the full package name probably |
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| 23:31.00 | dvs | ??? |
| 23:31.18 | wpostma | I can't figure out what to type with apt-get install, to get the 2019 version. |
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| 23:31.51 | dvs | wpostma, apt -t stretch-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:32.44 | wpostma | That's what I thought I should do. It says firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version (20161130-5). |
| 23:32.49 | wpostma | But I want it to install the 2019 one |
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| 23:33.22 | dvs | wpostma, and stretch-backports is in your sources.list? |
| 23:33.32 | wpostma | Yep. Just installed the kernel from it. |
| 23:33.45 | wpostma | Is there some other way to force a specific package version? Like a colon and some other thing? |
| 23:34.04 | wpostma | like sudo apt -t stretch-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree:20190114-1~bpo9+2 |
| 23:34.06 | dvs | wpostma, post what "apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree" says |
| 23:35.04 | wpostma | Ok weird. Policy does NOT list anything newer than the 2016 package. It's like the source was not recognized or indexed properly. |
| 23:35.35 | dvs | wpostma, apt update (again?) |
| 23:36.05 | wpostma | Yeah. My sources.list line was there but I only had main. |
| 23:36.17 | dvs | !lart wpostme |
| 23:36.17 | dpkg | hauls wpostme up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 23:36.23 | wpostma | Right. |
| 23:36.49 | wpostma | Ok that did it, now it shows up in Policy |
| 23:37.19 | wpostma | This backports thing is awesome. All hail the maintainers of backports! |
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| 23:39.03 | dvs | What? Stretch is a week away from being years old? |
| 23:40.13 | Bjornn | 2 years isn't it? |
| 23:40.17 | Bjornn | time flies |
| 23:40.30 | dvs | yeah |
| 23:41.13 | Bjornn | I'm ready for buster |
| 23:41.23 | Bjornn | I like new stuff |
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| 23:59.09 | wpostma | Ok did a bit o googling and Linux 4.19 is actually still too old and borked for this video card. So Linux 4.20 fixed the blackscreens with this AMD Radeon RX video card. |
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| 23:59.41 | wpostma | I haven't built a Linux kernel from sources since the 3.x kernel series. Contemplating that. :-) |
