| 00:00.56 | dvs | ,v kernels |
| 00:00.57 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64. |
| 00:00.59 | wpostma | I got the right 4.19 firmware package installed from backports nonfree. |
| 00:01.04 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 00:01.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-3~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 00:01.06 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 00:01.19 | wpostma | And without nomodeset, it's blackscreened, and with it, it boots but X won't use the screen, and falls back to vesa. |
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| 00:01.43 | dvs | wpostma, so set nomodeset? |
| 00:02.32 | wpostma | That lets X boot, but it's using VESA when I check XOrg log, and GLX won't work. |
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| 00:03.25 | wpostma | glxgears (3d test app) fails because GLX module is not found. |
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| 00:07.19 | wpostma | xorg log says (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so |
| 00:07.33 | wpostma | and it appears nomodeset fully disables the amdgpu so it doesn't appear as a display device in the kernel. |
| 00:08.11 | wpostma | FWIW anyone who sees this in lspci will have a bad time in stretch: 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Baffin [Polaris11] (rev cf) |
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| 00:09.58 | dvs | wpostma, and you don't have an Intel APU? |
| 00:10.19 | wpostma | Nope, this is a Xeon dell workstation class tower. |
| 00:10.31 | dvs | ok |
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| 00:10.48 | wpostma | Precision T7610 |
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| 00:37.15 | ruff-ne | hi guyz |
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| 00:39.22 | ruff-ne | hi guyz |
| 00:40.46 | annadane | ruff-ne, hi. if you have a question just ask it |
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| 00:43.38 | ruff-ne | preview annadane Thalian thePiGrepper sdrac8__ ToBeFree toxync12- wildlander Willis wilson wingman2 Voldenet n-st Bjornn V7 c0san0stra x0d zabow l33tspeak k-man judd Habbie Gabemo f476 dvs s0lar1s dpkg factor Gabi_ Hafert92 P0G oberstein iamgr00t u21 yae7nae4 t0ne_ Jasonsrus2007 how to remove sysd |
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| 00:44.04 | ToBeFree | eh |
| 00:44.11 | ruff-ne | preview annadane Thalian thePiGrepper sdrac8__ ToBeFree toxync12- wildlander Willis wilson wingman2 Voldenet n-st Bjornn V7 c0san0stra x0d zabow l33tspeak k-man judd Habbie Gabemo f476 dvs s0lar1s dpkg factor Gabi_ Hafert92 P0G oberstein iamgr00t u21 yae7nae4 t0ne_ Jasonsrus2007 how to remove sysd |
| 00:44.17 | ToBeFree | deserved |
| 00:44.30 | ToBeFree | keep them off-network for a while. |
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| 00:45.02 | Sveta | ToBeFree, can i help you? |
| 00:45.09 | Sveta | ruff-ne quit |
| 00:45.16 | ToBeFree | heh |
| 00:45.24 | ToBeFree | "was quit". :) All fine. |
| 00:45.48 | Sveta | do you use x11vnc? |
| 00:45.58 | Sveta | for me when i start it over ssh, it doesn't listen on any port |
| 00:49.14 | Unit193 | You're going to have to explain how you start it. |
| 00:50.07 | Unit193 | Eg, I have no problem starting with something like: x11vnc -auth /run/lightdm/root/:0 -xkb -noxrecord -bg -noxfixes -noxdamage -rfbport 5900 -quiet |
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| 00:52.24 | Sveta | hmm... Unit193 I use 'x11vnc -forever -nopw -localhost' and it works for a bit, but then intermittently drops in the middle of session |
| 00:52.50 | Sveta | then the next time I start it from ssh, it says it's on, but it doesn't show the banner about which port it is listening on |
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| 00:53.07 | annadane | bleh i want to compile emacs 26 but i don't want to build-dep 25 because it's a spaghetti mess of depdendencies |
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| 00:56.28 | annadane | sorry, i totally hijacked, please ignore me |
| 00:59.10 | Sveta | annadane, what's new in emacs26? i would like to ask in -offtopic but you're not there.. |
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| 01:00.41 | Unit193 | annadane: Isn't that what pbuilder is for? :) |
| 01:01.03 | annadane | oh i didn't even know about that |
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| 01:05.26 | annadane | i love how a complaint led to a solution i was never aware of :D |
| 01:05.30 | annadane | free software++ |
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| 01:06.57 | Unit193 | If you start going crazy with rebuilds, you might want to set up your own repo with mini-dinstall, aptly, reprepro, or apt-ftparchive. |
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| 01:11.59 | eblip | phew that was a bit of a pain ...trying to get all my config from a gentoo system to debian...the packages are a bit different and lots of tweaks...i may as well have done a full gentoo install |
| 01:14.35 | eblip | in fact 10 hours to get a full debian system with all my old configs and stuff |
| 01:15.12 | Sveta | you might wish to keep it at hand for a few weeks and cherrypick as need arises |
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| 01:23.48 | usney | hi |
| 01:24.02 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
| 01:24.09 | Sveta | Hi usney |
| 01:24.13 | plouj | is it possible to install a list of .deb from local files all at once (such that they satisfy their own dependencies) with either dpkg or apt? |
| 01:24.52 | usney | I have an old compaq computer and the GPU acceleration is not working it has worked before in linux such as ubuntu. The card is ATI radeon xpress 200m. |
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| 01:25.47 | usney | I don't really use the GUI but I would like to see if GPU acceleration would make the GUI more snappier when I am using it. |
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| 01:30.01 | eb0t | eye |
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| 01:33.56 | ShYGirl99 | Hello. I am new and I decided to try making a Live in a Cam site. Hope you will like my idea. The idea of being watched makes me really horny. Enter now: https://bitlylink.com/f4Bui |
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| 01:51.55 | usney | what |
| 01:52.25 | dvs | what? |
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| 01:52.44 | usney | what's that one tool called that is a commandline app that installs desktops and other items that require more than one deb file? |
| 01:52.53 | usney | I forget sorry |
| 01:53.00 | usney | I've used it before |
| 01:53.05 | dvs | a task? |
| 01:53.13 | usney | taskal? |
| 01:53.20 | dvs | tasksel |
| 01:53.35 | usney | thank you so much |
| 01:53.38 | usney | brb |
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| 01:58.40 | usney | dvs what is the difference between gnome and the debian desktop environment? |
| 01:58.59 | dvs | nothing ;-) |
| 01:59.17 | usney | yea thought so cause they both use gnnome |
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| 02:00.28 | annadane | they don't "use gnome", they are gnoe |
| 02:00.29 | annadane | gmome |
| 02:00.33 | annadane | GNOME |
| 02:00.35 | annadane | lkdjw4lkgjvwook5o;ekg |
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| 02:02.16 | m0rd3cai | hope someone can help, laptop just started doing this. when i move my mouse, it will completely move my screen. my screen shows as too big for the actual display. is this a combination of buttons i pressed or what this is? its incredibly annoying |
| 02:02.37 | Tom-_ | virtual desktop size does not match resolution |
| 02:02.53 | Tom-_ | try arandr or maybe nvidia settings if you have nvidia |
| 02:03.22 | karlpinc | Or poke your desktop display settings with a stick. |
| 02:03.50 | m0rd3cai | hah i vote for karlpinc's option |
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| 02:51.29 | eblip | hey not sure if anyone uses rxvt-unicode-256color..but i want teh perl extensions so that i can use Ctrl-I to highlight urls |
| 02:51.36 | eblip | any idea what they are called |
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| 03:24.35 | generic | I wonder where wpa_supplicant stores the certificates? |
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| 04:47.32 | iqubic | are there any downsides to having a single root user? |
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| 04:48.18 | dondelelcaro | iqubic: not sure I follow you; normally you just have a single root user. |
| 04:48.25 | iqubic | Right. |
| 04:48.42 | dondelelcaro | (and normally users become root when they need to) |
| 04:48.48 | iqubic | But I'm thinking that I want to 0 users other than root. |
| 04:49.10 | dondelelcaro | iqubic: generally you want at least one non-priveledged user. |
| 04:49.20 | dondelelcaro | (but sometimes there are reasons not to do so) |
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| 04:50.29 | iqubic | Even if I plan to use this machine only as a server and will mostly be accessing this machine via SSH. |
| 04:51.35 | dondelelcaro | iqubic: even then; you normally shouldn't ssh in as root |
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| 04:52.24 | iqubic | I won't. |
| 04:52.50 | iqubic | This machine is actually a Raspberry Pi. |
| 04:53.57 | iqubic | And it comes with a lot of Python packages. |
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| 04:55.38 | iqubic | Is it possible to remove all the packages whose names match the regex "python*"? |
| 04:56.05 | iqubic | Remove with something like "apt-get remove --purge $PACKAGE_NAME_HERE" |
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| 05:30.34 | iqubic | Is there a way to uninstall all of LXDE in one fell swoop? |
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| 05:42.49 | wpostma | You could probably do that in several steps |
| 05:43.06 | wpostma | aptitude can be used to search for installed packages matching a pattern |
| 05:43.36 | wpostma | Removing python may break debian, I think its used for stuff. |
| 05:44.28 | wpostma | Normally Raspberry Pis don't run debian, they have their own distro. Are you sure you're running debian on a RPI? |
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| 05:45.05 | wpostma | Rapsbian is a semi-debian variant and just like Ubuntu it's off topic here, I think. |
| 05:45.14 | iqubic | Well, actually, I'm using Raspian. |
| 05:45.40 | iqubic | I've just removed a ton of python packages, and everything seems fine so far. |
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| 05:48.45 | wpostma | aptitude search '~i python' |
| 05:48.53 | wpostma | will get you a list of packages with python in the name that are installed. |
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| 05:49.26 | Sveta | iqubic, please join #raspbian now too |
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| 05:51.58 | iqubic | I will |
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| 06:07.09 | Sveta | yay thanks iqubic |
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| 08:26.56 | pagetelegram | Is the mirror debian.csail.mit.edu down? |
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| 08:46.52 | EdePopede | pagetelegram: seems so. |
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| 08:55.09 | pagetelegram | What would be a working mirror? in console linux so hard to look it up. |
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| 08:57.03 | EdePopede | never used a specific one, always stood with ftp.${TLD}.debian.org, always worked. |
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| 08:58.36 | jelly | pagetelegram: http://deb.debian.org/debian |
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| 09:03.33 | pagetelegram | Thank you; that worked. |
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| 09:40.07 | BCMM | pagetelegram: note that deb.debian.org is not really a "mirror". it's a service that will connect you to a mirror |
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| 10:16.43 | mrtnt | Is it possible to manually state that my system has <mail-transport-agent> installed, i.e packages which require this do not complain? |
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| 10:35.50 | rant | ,i nullmailer |
| 10:35.51 | judd | Package nullmailer (mail, extra) in stretch/amd64: simple relay-only mail transport agent. Version: 1:1.13-1.2; Size: 90.1k; Installed: 372k; Homepage: http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ |
| 10:36.01 | rant | ,equivs |
| 10:36.06 | rant | equivs |
| 10:36.09 | rant | !equivs |
| 10:36.09 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 10:52.23 | jim | can I find out the version of a package from stretch-backports? |
| 10:52.44 | rant | which package? |
| 10:52.51 | jim | iproute2 |
| 10:52.57 | rant | ,v iproute2 |
| 10:52.58 | judd | Package: iproute2 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16.0-2; stretch: 4.9.0-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 4.20.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.20.0-2; sid: 4.20.0-2; experimental: 5.1.0-1 |
| 10:53.12 | jim | oh, that I could have done :) |
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| 10:53.28 | jim | thanks |
| 10:53.30 | rant | jim: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iproute2 |
| 10:53.36 | rafalcpp | what is status of the vim modeline exploit in debian stable? |
| 10:53.41 | rant | jim: /msd judd v iproute2 |
| 10:53.45 | rafalcpp | and in debian testing |
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| 10:54.41 | rant | rafalcpp: do you have a CVE? |
| 10:55.24 | jim | rant, yep, I'm aware :) thanks for the reminder... is there a way to do it, say, from apt-cache, or apt? |
| 10:55.43 | rant | jim: apt policy <package> |
| 10:55.54 | rafalcpp | rant: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2019-12735 |
| 10:55.58 | rant | jim: only works if you have sources configured for the dist |
| 10:56.25 | rant | rafalcpp: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12735 |
| 10:56.41 | rant | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12735 |
| 10:56.45 | rant | bah |
| 10:56.54 | rant | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/vim |
| 10:56.59 | jim | rant, which I do |
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| 10:57.06 | jim | thanks again |
| 10:57.18 | rafalcpp | so..... for over a week debian is vulnerable, anyone using vim? :p |
| 10:57.19 | rafalcpp | ;d |
| 10:57.37 | rant | idk, if I see anyone I'll ask em |
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| 10:58.00 | jim | rafalcpp, you're the last one to ever use vim! (oh, unless you show vim to someone else) |
| 10:58.14 | rant | I personally think its asine and ridiculous to have an interactive editor with a command line.. I'd use damn sed or ed or something if I wanted that |
| 10:59.35 | jim | well I guess vi came from ex and ed |
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| 11:00.04 | rant | wherever it /came/ from it should go back there... |
| 11:00.35 | jim | that's why there are a bunch of editors :) pick any 97834978435 |
| 11:00.47 | rant | dpkg, start an editor war! |
| 11:00.47 | dpkg | vim sucks! |
| 11:00.56 | rant | thats what I been sayin :P |
| 11:01.24 | EdePopede | dpkg doesn't even have an own opinion :P |
| 11:01.24 | dpkg | EdePopede: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:01.32 | jim | warps dpkg |
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| 11:02.28 | EdePopede | jim: or write your own. isn't this one of the standard tasks in programming tutorials? |
| 11:03.09 | jim | EdePopede, write an editor? too busy using em! |
| 11:03.54 | Bjornn | vim has a following. but I think it's nostalgic |
| 11:04.29 | rafalcpp | well it seems Debian defaults in settings to disabling modeline |
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| 11:05.21 | rant | uses modelines in xorg ... auto generated.. where they belong |
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| 11:14.46 | jim | trying to debug something, I'm trying to run: ip --json a | jq # and this works, but as soon as I try to pipe it, like: ip --json a | jq | less # this causes jq to output a usage message |
| 11:17.00 | ksk | jim: how about redirecting jq outpt to a file? I suppose it can do that. |
| 11:17.21 | jim | ksk, let's find out... |
| 11:17.31 | ksk | bzw, which "ip" does have a --json flag? my sid does not have it.. |
| 11:17.35 | ksk | *btw |
| 11:18.02 | ksk | nevermind, it has. |
| 11:18.34 | jim | you apparantly have to put the --json in the right place |
| 11:20.51 | jim | so, it won't redirect either... or pipe to cat or less... ip --json a | jq > f # then, f is an empty file, and I see the usage message |
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| 11:26.00 | ksk | jim: use " | jq '.'" as per: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33247228/how-to-use-jq-in-a-shell-pipeline |
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| 11:26.10 | ksk | granted, I was not able to get the via manpage (its rather long..) |
| 11:26.23 | ksk | s/the/that/ |
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| 11:46.57 | jim | ksk, right, I remember something like that, for addressing which part of the structure you want |
| 11:49.10 | jim | ksk, that worked; thanks |
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| 11:53.28 | ksk | !next |
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| 16:11.42 | f8e3 | if i change the root/user pw is the original pw logged somewhere (forensic etc)? |
| 16:11.47 | greycat | no |
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| 16:12.57 | greycat | Previous passwords are not stored. What more do you want? |
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| 16:24.40 | integfred | Hello, I have a problem with configure on debian ... it finds string.h and some other headers (eg. "checking for string.h ... yes") but it does not find the libc functions (eg. "checking whether strstr is declared ... no"), what package [if any] should I install to get these functions agoing? |
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| 16:26.10 | Habbie | integfred, inspecting config.log to find out what exactly went wrong might help |
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| 16:27.19 | integfred | Hi Habbie, I have done so, the issue is not finding the libc functions |
| 16:27.38 | integfred | ie. it errors out because strstr cannot be found |
| 16:27.55 | Habbie | integfred, can you pastebin it? |
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| 16:31.33 | generic | how Do I get the sources to a deb ? patches & stuff included |
| 16:32.19 | generic | there is no "apt source" it seems |
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| 16:34.20 | generic | cant find a dpkg command either |
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| 16:34.46 | EdePopede | generic: apt-get has source |
| 16:35.05 | generic | EdePopede: thanks |
| 16:35.35 | generic | EdePopede: can it also fetch the dependencies ? |
| 16:35.42 | Habbie | apt-get build-dep |
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| 16:35.53 | Habbie | 'apt source' works for me btw, but i'm on debian 10 |
| 16:36.03 | generic | Habbie: so am I |
| 16:36.15 | EdePopede | ah, so they go on implementing features into apt |
| 16:36.30 | Tom-_ | yes, even in Debian new things are added =) |
| 16:36.31 | Habbie | deb 9 apt has 'source' too |
| 16:36.32 | Tom-_ | dufks |
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| 16:37.52 | EdePopede | Habbie: manpage doesn't mention it and --help only know about "Most used commands:" |
| 16:38.15 | EdePopede | but it asks for more parameters with source... |
| 16:38.21 | Habbie | yes |
| 16:38.25 | Habbie | that's the one bit i tried |
| 16:38.35 | EdePopede | autodocs are a fine thing |
| 16:38.40 | generic | and the simplest sources line in /etc/apt/sources.list is ? |
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| 16:39.03 | EdePopede | # |
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| 16:39.27 | generic | deb-src url ? |
| 16:39.46 | Habbie | exactly like the deb lines, but with -src added, is what i have |
| 16:40.16 | Habbie | https://gist.github.com/Habbie/e58c18af602f3251c1f8455db4b79743 - again, note it's for 10, not 9 |
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| 16:41.54 | generic | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main doesnt seem to work |
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| 16:42.33 | Habbie | how is it failing? |
| 16:42.35 | Habbie | also, are you on sid? |
| 16:43.28 | generic | Habbie: yes on sid here. says you must put some source URI in your sources list |
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| 16:44.08 | Habbie | yes, but you said you were on debian 10 earlier, just wanted to check |
| 16:44.17 | Habbie | can you pastebin your sources.list, command, and output? |
| 16:44.45 | generic | Habbie: oh my fault .. thought sid=10 |
| 16:45.03 | mojikun | hey |
| 16:45.49 | Habbie | sid is numberless |
| 16:45.50 | generic | Habbie: got it now .. needed apt update first |
| 16:45.55 | Habbie | good |
| 16:46.57 | generic | Habbie: ok gotta figure out whats in the tar files ... |
| 16:48.06 | Habbie | they are all unpacked for you, to be clear |
| 16:48.30 | generic | Habbie: installing dpkg-dev now |
| 16:48.36 | mojikun | is apt a wrapper for apt-get or a new program? |
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| 16:49.34 | Habbie | it's a new program |
| 16:50.48 | mojikun | i am using apt-get, apt-cache mainly |
| 16:50.56 | mojikun | people seem to suggest using apt more |
| 16:51.01 | mojikun | not sure if its stable enough |
| 16:51.07 | Habbie | i only use it because it's less typing |
| 16:51.13 | Habbie | and less remembering what goes in get and what goes in cache |
| 16:51.39 | generic | Habbie: no makefile ? how |
| 16:51.47 | generic | Habbie: do I start the build ? |
| 16:52.23 | mojikun | Habbie, apt-cache is for searching the package database, apt-get for installing removing, apt-file for more specifics |
| 16:52.37 | mojikun | the whole collection of utilities seems more advanced than the new apt |
| 16:53.10 | Habbie | mojikun, i know :) |
| 16:53.14 | Habbie | generic, the build of what? |
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| 16:53.48 | generic | Habbie: of the sources for wpasupplicant |
| 16:54.05 | Habbie | generic, but, generally, after apt-get source, and cd'ing into the dir, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b |
| 16:54.30 | Habbie | generic, note that this will build .debs with the exact same version numbers as the ones you have already, and this will be confusing later |
| 16:54.33 | generic | Habbie: dpkg-buildpackage seems a good idea |
| 16:54.54 | mojikun | by the way i need some help |
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| 16:55.22 | mojikun | i want to package i3-gaps for debian. it has a bug opened almost a year ago, and noone packages it |
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| 16:56.01 | mojikun | do i have to build the package and send the complete deb package to debian, or just write the metadata, and build instructions? |
| 16:56.25 | mojikun | from what i read i understand they want the metadata and build instructions only so their build server can make the packages |
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| 16:56.35 | Habbie | they used to require one .deb to go with that |
| 16:56.37 | Habbie | but that might have changed |
| 16:56.46 | Habbie | i have to say that once you've gotten the thing packaged |
| 16:56.49 | Habbie | this question seems like a minor detail |
| 16:58.13 | mojikun | also i am looking for a good guide on how to do that. i have made pkgbuilds in the past for archlinux, and exherbo equivalent. those are the build instructions their manager understands to build the package. |
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| 16:58.22 | mojikun | but i still have no clue on the debian procedure |
| 16:58.35 | mojikun | (for making the source package build instructions) |
| 16:59.14 | generic | Habbie: ok but that pulls in a lot of deps can I edit the debs in the metadata ? |
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| 17:00.05 | mojikun | i read some guide by debian but it talked about many tools, some of which are used for the same purpose (equivalent tools) and the whole procedure was a bit messy and unclear |
| 17:01.28 | mojikun | anyone here can point me to a beginners simplified guide to packaging, which comes with examples? like how to make a package using source from github |
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| 17:01.39 | Habbie | mojikun, i don't have one, sorry |
| 17:01.47 | Habbie | generic, yes - but, what is your goal? |
| 17:01.50 | greycat | "redundant tools, messy, unclear" describes every part of Debian |
| 17:02.08 | greycat | and I mean that in the nicest possible way |
| 17:02.28 | generic | Habbie: just wanted to skip some downloads |
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| 17:02.39 | generic | Habbie: however almost done now |
| 17:02.46 | Habbie | generic, i mean, why are you building your own wpa_supplicant package? |
| 17:03.02 | mojikun | greycat, well i can understand that since its an old project. i tried slackware recently, many package managers, repositories, ways to do the same thing |
| 17:03.13 | mojikun | new projects are more streamlined and simpler |
| 17:03.20 | generic | Habbie: basically to see how I can build the newer one |
| 17:03.28 | Habbie | mojikun, did you check whether any debian derivatives have packaged i3-gaps? |
| 17:03.36 | generic | Habbie: 2.8 released already |
| 17:03.56 | mojikun | Habbie, yes. they usually use debian repos so no. i checked siduction, devuan etc, they dont have it |
| 17:04.12 | Habbie | ok |
| 17:04.26 | Habbie | mojikun, https://github.com/maestrogerardo/i3-gaps-deb |
| 17:04.28 | mojikun | i can make it myself, not a big deal, probably similar to the source of i3 package, already in debian. i can get its source from debian |
| 17:05.15 | Habbie | oh - i3-gaps is a fork of i3 |
| 17:05.18 | Habbie | and it comes with a debian/ dir |
| 17:05.25 | Habbie | that simplifies everything |
| 17:05.31 | Habbie | generic, right |
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| 17:06.13 | Habbie | generic, debian experimental has 2.8 |
| 17:06.35 | Habbie | generic, you might just get away with grabbing that directly, or grabbing source from that and doing dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 17:06.54 | generic | Habbie: think I |
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| 17:07.04 | mojikun | Habbie, yes its a fork. i have to edit the source though, to make it conflict with i3. or say it provides i3 |
| 17:07.10 | generic | Habbie: think I'll have to see how its built anyay |
| 17:07.14 | mojikun | in other distros you cant have both. |
| 17:07.16 | Habbie | mojikun, ah yes |
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| 17:07.50 | mojikun | still looking for a simple comprehensive guide. |
| 17:08.03 | greycat | !mentors |
| 17:08.03 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 17:08.05 | mojikun | it looks like black sorcery till now |
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| 17:08.48 | mojikun | irc.debian.org and irc.oftc.net is the same thing? |
| 17:08.59 | mojikun | on which server is #debian-mentors channel |
| 17:09.04 | greycat | OFTC |
| 17:09.28 | mojikun | irc.debian.org is what then? |
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| 17:12.04 | Habbie | OFTC |
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| 17:18.33 | somiaj | !oftcmove |
| 17:18.47 | somiaj | !oftc move |
| 17:18.47 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 17:18.51 | somiaj | (if your courious why) |
| 17:19.14 | somiaj | though only #debian remains on freenode, all other specific channels are on oftc |
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| 17:22.53 | watom | greycat: hello, the issue with my script and pam - ssh, was about curl failing as always to use https links without the fix i made on interactive shell. i still don't know how to fix that at system level |
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| 17:23.48 | watom | which is "export CURL_CA_BUNDLE=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt"... without that curl is not able to check certificates |
| 17:24.08 | greycat | well, you can stick that in your shell script |
| 17:24.29 | dvs | O_O |
| 17:24.38 | watom | yeah that solved |
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| 17:33.41 | jhutchins_wk | It seems like it should be possible to share the channel on both freenode and oftc, but it's always been separate. |
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| 17:35.46 | EdePopede | at least debian mentions it on the site. wanted to join gimp's server some day or whatever it was, my nick was already taken and in usage. very strange. but in the end it was their alias for freenode -.- |
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| 17:37.48 | pthomas | hello, after making changes to /etc/network/interfaces I would like to restart networking to apply the changes |
| 17:37.55 | pthomas | I thought the command was "systemctl restart networking" |
| 17:38.38 | pthomas | but this doesn't seem to start dhcp when changing from a static to dhcp address in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:39.18 | greycat | ifdown interfacename; ifup interfacename |
| 17:39.20 | dvs | pthomas, ifdown -a; ifup -a |
| 17:39.55 | greycat | but in general, you need to ifdown BEFORE editing the file, so ifdown knows what to do about the old state |
| 17:39.57 | pthomas | ok thanks! |
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| 17:44.14 | mojikun | https://repology.org/ |
| 17:44.32 | mojikun | check this out. useful if you distro hop a lot or maintain packages |
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| 17:48.56 | Kate2fox | Hi! |
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| 18:09.45 | willc4k | ApplicationProfileManager.getInstance().verificacaoPoolConexaoInterno(); //Verificação de pool de cnx interna |
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| 18:11.04 | andi89gi | Hi guys, does anybody know how to enable Night Light on Gnome 3.22 (Debian 9)? |
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| 18:30.43 | minicom | hi, I want to replace the second column of the second with another string. What's the best way to solve it? |
| 18:30.52 | minicom | I think awk but I didn't succeed yet |
| 18:32.42 | greycat | show example input and desired output |
| 18:32.52 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:32.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:40.41 | minicom | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/1087457/ |
| 18:41.14 | greycat | you're trying to write a script to edit your /etc/hosts file? |
| 18:41.19 | minicom | yup |
| 18:41.41 | ksk | minicom: use a templating engine. |
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| 18:42.24 | minicom | ksk: I'm not able to add new dependencies, I only have a basic Debian installation |
| 18:42.55 | greycat | since he's going to do this *anyway* no matter what anyone says and no matter how dangerous it is, I'll just give him the "works 98% of the time" answer and be done. |
| 18:43.05 | greycat | sed -i "s/$oldhostname/$newhostname/" /etc/hosts |
| 18:43.24 | greycat | when it breaks, you get to fix it by hand |
| 18:43.39 | minicom | Okay but the thing is, I don't know the content of the oldhostname, so this does not work |
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| 18:43.57 | ksk | eh.. |
| 18:44.08 | greycat | but this is going to turn out to be either "I am responsible for 15000 machines, yet I know nothing about shell, help me" or "this is Docker/AWS and I do this 17000 times a day because CI thing wossname widget enterprise paradigm" |
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| 18:45.10 | minicom | greycat: this is some educational thing I'm building with 3 VMs, it's not really much of a problem if it breaks. The problem is the sudo timeout if the hostname is wrong after I change it with hostnamectl |
| 18:45.38 | greycat | I am not even going to ask what hostnamectl is. |
| 18:45.59 | ksk | deep in your heart you know it already :D |
| 18:46.04 | BCMM | it's exactly what it sounds like |
| 18:46.16 | greycat | Fine, whatever, I cannot work myself up to *care* about the well-being of Virtual Machine people or their VMs, so.... sed -i "s/^127\.0 |
| 18:46.19 | minicom | greycat: hostnamectl is part of systemd |
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| 18:46.31 | rant | yes, changing of hostname requires changing /etc/hostname, doing hostname -F /etc/hostname/ and then updating 127.0.1.1 line it /etc/hosts |
| 18:46.35 | greycat | Fine, whatever, I cannot work myself up to *care* about the well-being of Virtual Machine people or their VMs, so.... sed -i "s/^127\.0\.1\.1/127.0.0.1 $newhostname/" /etc/hosts |
| 18:46.52 | greycat | Crap. Two tries and it's still wrong. I *hate* this. |
| 18:46.56 | greycat | Fine, whatever, I cannot work myself up to *care* about the well-being of Virtual Machine people or their VMs, so.... sed -i "s/^127\.0\.1\.1/127.0.1.1 $newhostname/" /etc/hosts |
| 18:47.24 | greycat | Bullcrap progamming for bullcrap VM-centric sysadmin kiddies. |
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| 18:48.11 | rant | greycat: do you know of a simpler approach in general for changing hostname on a system? |
| 18:48.26 | greycat | minicom: I'm just going to assume it's not Debian, and that's why you're doing it in a Non-Debian way, so we can be DONE with this. |
| 18:48.45 | greycat | rant: how many times do you change the hostname on a system? Zero? Less than zero? |
| 18:49.00 | rant | I delt with this recently on one of my systems I moved an SSD from an old laptop to a new one and wanted to change the hostname.. forgot to change /etc/hosts and had annoying messages using sudo |
| 18:49.12 | greycat | I think I can recall ONE time that we tried to change the hostname on a box. |
| 18:49.19 | rant | apparently some things expect the hostname to resolve to 127.0.1.1 |
| 18:49.41 | greycat | rant: it's more that they expect the hostname *to resolve*. To anything. Doesn't matter what. |
| 18:49.55 | rant | I usually on my home LAN will have the hostnames specific to the hardware, so if I switch hardware i like to switch the hostname typically |
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| 18:50.22 | rant | greycat: ah. I wasnt sure what it was just got tired of seeing the messages |
| 18:50.49 | rant | afaik all you ever had to do was change /etc/hostname and hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 18:50.49 | greycat | 127.0.0.1 traditionally resolves to localhost (and vice versa), so Debian uses 127.0.1.1 for the unqualified hostname. |
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| 18:51.16 | greycat | since all 127.* addresses go to loopback if you try to connect to them, it works out. |
| 18:51.28 | rant | to me, my hostname is nothing more than what shows up in my shell prompts :P |
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| 18:51.38 | rant | and lets me know I'm running commands on the right machine |
| 18:51.45 | greycat | Yes. |
| 18:51.49 | andi89gi | sry for asking again: Does anybody know if Night Light on Gnome 3.22 can be enabled (Debian 9)? thx for a reply |
| 18:51.52 | greycat | That is definitely one of the major purposes of a hostname. |
| 18:51.53 | ksk | rant: I suggested a templating engine (for the case of "I have 15k machines and need to change all hostnames..) |
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| 18:52.11 | greycat | ksk: yes, and I applaud your optimism |
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| 19:18.59 | whislock | greycat: hostnamectl is a systemd-ism, and last I checked, recent Debian releases use systemd. So, not sure why you're crowing about not-Debian and non-Debian ways. |
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| 19:25.02 | jelly | whislock: it's not used by default, and it clashes with other aspects of a debian setup |
| 19:25.35 | jelly | debian uses only some components of systemd by default, not all |
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| 19:27.12 | jelly | many of those components are there to manage a read-only /etc and / |
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| 19:28.59 | jelly | so the answer to "how do we change hostname without editing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname" becomes "have myhostname NSS module in default resolv.conf, and use a whole separate subsystem" |
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| 19:31.38 | jelly | it's a nice option to have, on a system where you need to ask that question |
| 19:31.55 | jelly | has never seen a debian installation with a read-only /etc |
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| 19:33.03 | greycat | On any kind of real system, changing the hostname is going to entail FAR more work than just editing two files. You need to make sure your MTA is happy, your web server and whatever virtual hosts, etc. |
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| 19:33.22 | greycat | Changing a hostname should be extremely rare. |
| 19:34.02 | jelly | none of those other services have to rely on the hostname, though. |
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| 19:34.41 | jelly | for newly spun-up VMs and containers, the most often used tool seems to be something called "cloud-init" |
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| 19:48.46 | Linuxlars | Hi, I get a new Intel Nuc today and want to install Debian stable, I use the non free version, but still did I not find the right network driver.... Do anyone here know what driver who work for this... Right now I use ubuntu and I'm not satisfied |
| 19:49.48 | jelly | Linuxlars: if it's a new enough model (say, 8th gen intel core cpu inside), stable might not be able to install properly |
| 19:50.16 | Linuxlars | Yes. it's 8th gen intel |
| 19:50.49 | jelly | Linuxlars: try installing a weekly build of debian testing. |
| 19:51.30 | jelly | found near the non-free+firmware images for stable. |
| 19:52.47 | Linuxlars | Jelly: I will try that.... And hope it work... |
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| 19:55.48 | Linuxlars | jelly: Do you think this will work: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 19:55.58 | greycat | You tell us. :) |
| 19:56.14 | jelly | Linuxlars: you said you needed images with firmware. |
| 19:56.22 | Linuxlars | yes |
| 19:56.40 | jelly | those are official builds, no firmware |
| 19:56.55 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 19:56.55 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>. |
| 19:57.09 | greycat | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/ |
| 19:57.30 | jelly | Linuxlars: ^ up one dir and then browse to weekly builds |
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| 19:58.31 | Linuxlars | thank's:) |
| 19:59.28 | jelly | that's what worked for a newish workstation with i3-8xxx cpu/gpu at work |
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| 19:59.55 | jelly | stretch debian-installer did not even want to boot |
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| 20:00.46 | jelly | and for buster weekly Secure Boot had to be disabled, I think, even if it's supposed to work |
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| 20:02.16 | Linuxlars | I try and will tell after |
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| 20:04.50 | dvs | 97 bugs? Why are the bugs going up? |
| 20:04.59 | greycat | because people are testing and finding bugs |
| 20:05.42 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.48 | dvs | No, people, stop testing! I want a release! |
| 20:06.19 | annadane | [testing intensifies] |
| 20:08.24 | dvs | grrrrrr! |
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| 20:36.54 | dvs | annadane, it's 99 bugs now! Thanks a lot! grrrrrr! |
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| 20:40.09 | greycat | dpkg, sing bugs is <reply>⪠99 RC bugs on the wall, 99 RC buuuugs. Take one down, patch, workaround, 100 RC bugs on the wall! ⫠|
| 20:40.10 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:40.54 | dvs | oh no! one more bug! |
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| 20:42.09 | glassresistor | anyone know when the VIM updates for CVE-2019-12735 is going out? |
| 20:42.40 | CaptainN | smash it with a rolled up newspaper |
| 20:42.53 | annadane | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/bwzmwm/major_security_vulnerability_in_vim_anyone_know/ |
| 20:42.55 | annadane | glassresistor, ^ |
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| 20:43.33 | greycat | The security team doesn't typically tell us about ongoing work, but there's https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12735 |
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| 20:43.40 | annadane | "Debian ships vim with modelines disabled by default due to security concerns. Unless you explicitly enabled them again you are not affected." |
| 20:43.51 | annadane | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=930020 |
| 20:44.01 | glassresistor | annadane: pretty sure i have mine turend on |
| 20:44.20 | greycat | wonders what a modeline is and how a remote attacker would have access to it |
| 20:44.34 | Habbie | greycat, a modeline is a comment in a source file |
| 20:44.35 | annadane | bug report does say it's been fixed apparently |
| 20:44.49 | glassresistor | greycat: download file via github then open in VIM |
| 20:44.58 | greycat | security-tracker says it's fixed in sid only, at the moment |
| 20:45.18 | annadane | https://xkcd.com/1957/ |
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| 20:47.18 | annadane | i just got an email, "planned release of buster on 2019-07-06" |
| 20:47.47 | annadane | so july 6, obviously, not june 7 |
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| 20:48.22 | greycat | you linked to an xkcd comic, so surely you knew about https://xkcd.com/1179/ |
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| 20:50.05 | chocolate | anyone has the dhcpd.conf file for a home lan available to share? |
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| 20:53.58 | greycat | Check if you have modelines enabled by opening vim and entering |
| 20:53.58 | greycat | :set modeline? |
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| 21:37.59 | chocolate | who has a dhcpd.conf for a home lan to share? I'm tired of configuring without success |
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| 22:05.43 | chocolate | who has a dhcpd.conf for a home lan to share? I'm tired of configuring without success |
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| 22:07.08 | DUKENUKEM | hey guys, i enabled process accounting and i keep seeing 3-4 modprobes almost every second |
| 22:07.15 | DUKENUKEM | dmesg doesnt show me any new modules being loaded |
| 22:07.28 | DUKENUKEM | anyone have any ideas on how i would go about tracking down what's calling modprobe so much? |
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| 22:23.26 | Chunkyz | How can I downgrade chromium if the latest version is crashing? |
| 22:24.02 | rant | DUKENUKEM: why dont you elaborate on "i enabled process accounting" and "seeing 3-4 modprobes almost every second" use paste.debian.net if you need to |
| 22:24.14 | f8e3 | does a livecd like "debian-live-9.9.0-amd64-xfce.iso" change data on the usb where i dd'd it to? |
| 22:24.47 | f8e3 | is the checksum on the /dev/usb different? |
| 22:24.54 | rant | Chunkyz: you'd have to uninstall it first then then grab the older version from the mirror and install it with dpkg -i |
| 22:25.18 | rant | f8e3: it completely overwrites the partition table, filesystems, everything |
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| 22:25.55 | Chunkyz | rant: where can I find old chromium mirrors? I looked and can't see any older versions |
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| 22:26.13 | rant | f8e3: and yes the checksum would probably be different |
| 22:26.23 | Tom-_ | dpkg, windows mentality |
| 22:26.23 | dpkg | You don't have to reboot every time you change some configuration or if something goes wrong. You can restart a service by doing "service <service> restart". If there is something wrong in the configuration, it can usually be fixed without reinstalling the entire system. |
| 22:26.31 | rant | Chunkyz: what version do you have now? |
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| 22:26.39 | Chunkyz | 73.x |
| 22:26.49 | Chunkyz | rant: ^ |
| 22:27.06 | rant | Chunkyz: thats not remotely helpful. dpkg -l chromium |
| 22:27.23 | Chunkyz | The latest for stretch |
| 22:27.32 | rant | Chunkyz: amd64? |
| 22:27.42 | rant | ,v chromium |
| 22:27.43 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; sid: 74.0.3729.108-1 |
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| 22:27.59 | Chunkyz | Yes but need i386 too |
| 22:29.26 | Chunkyz | So where do I find them? |
| 22:30.24 | rant | well they do seem to have been removed, which isn't surprising.. |
| 22:30.39 | Chunkyz | I tried the Ubuntu version which did not work |
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| 22:31.22 | jmcnaught | Chunkyz: you can find old versions of packages here: https://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 22:31.36 | rant | Chunkyz: have you tried running it as a new user or with something like mkdir ~/chromium; HOME=~/chromium chromium |
| 22:31.54 | rant | Chunkyz: to rule out that your issue isn't something in the local configuration |
| 22:32.41 | somiaj | Chunkyz: I smell an xy problem, why do you need older versions of chromium, and which version of debain are you running? |
| 22:33.28 | Chunkyz | jmcnaught: says not found for chromium |
| 22:33.29 | somiaj | ahh I see, regression testing. I would follow rant's suggestion first. Create a new user, and test that it isn't something wrong with your user config. |
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| 22:43.54 | DUKENUKEM | rant: i type in command "lastcomm" to get a list of commands last executed. every second i see modprobe has been executed 4 times |
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| 22:44.33 | DUKENUKEM | rant: i can paste it into a paste if you want, but it only shows modprobe root -- 0.00 secs TIMESTAMP |
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| 22:46.42 | chocolate | who has a dhcpd.conf for a home lan to share? I'm tired of configuring without success |
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| 22:48.32 | jmcnaught | chocolate: maybe nobody does, but if you provide more details about what you're trying to do and what goes wrong someone might be able to help you. |
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| 22:50.06 | chocolate | jmcnaught: I tried so many things... the output is failed because the control process exited with error code , and seeing systemctl status and journalctl doesn't help too much to debug |
| 22:51.20 | chocolate | should I configure the interface with eth1 or enp4s2 ? |
| 22:51.50 | chocolate | it is a simple home lan with 2 ethernet cards in a home server |
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| 22:52.05 | jmcnaught | It probably doesn't matter what the interface is named, except going with the new style interfaces names is probably more future proof. |
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| 22:53.03 | chocolate | jmcnaught: I used the conf I have stored in my could which ALWAYS worked, and it is not working now for debian 9.... don't know why and what changed |
| 22:53.21 | chocolate | cloud* |
| 22:54.29 | f8e3 | rant, sorry: i have live usb stick ready. if i boot it once, will the checksum be diff to before the boot? |
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| 22:58.04 | rant | f8e3: idk, it could be I suppose, what are you trying to figure out here? |
| 22:58.14 | ShYGirl99 | Hello. I am new and I decided to try making a Live in a Cam site. Hope you will like my idea. The idea of being watched makes me really horny. Enter now: http://tny.im/6bnuJ |
| 23:00.06 | rant | f8e3: if you really wanna get into the nitty gritty of how debian live works try connecting to irc.oftc.net and joining #debian-live |
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| 23:02.47 | chocolate | is there a bug on dhcp-server? |
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| 23:03.34 | rant | chocolate: http://bugs.debian.org http://tracker.debian.org |
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| 23:19.52 | f8e3 | rant, if someone tempered the bootstick meanwhile i was gone eg |
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| 23:22.18 | annadane | a metapackage like linux-headers-amd64 will get updated and install the new headers when i upgrade to buster, right? |
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| 23:24.25 | rant | f8e3: I see.. well you need to rethink whatever you're doing if you're worried about someone tampering with a boot media.. but yes, booting a rw media can change its checksum it could update atimes on files which changes the filesystem which changes the checksum |
| 23:24.53 | f8e3 | rant thank you |
| 23:26.26 | DUKENUKEM | ok i tracked down some more info about the modprobe |
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| 23:26.55 | DUKENUKEM | some kworker is calling "modprobe -q -netdev 0.0.0.0" |
| 23:27.34 | DUKENUKEM | i replaced modprobe with a shellscript to log its /proc/$PPID/comm, /proc/$PPID/cmdline, /proc/$$/comm, /proc/$$/cmdline |
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