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| 00:03.35 | annadane | "stable" mostly means "unchanging", so *mostly*... no |
| 00:04.20 | mojikun | annadane, thats annoying. having a 2year old software version essentially, with just patched security holes |
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| 00:04.35 | mojikun | i am debating over using testing or sid for desktop instead |
| 00:04.46 | mojikun | stable looks like something the ISS would run |
| 00:05.29 | ksk | testing has the problem of not getting security support as fast as stable(+unstable) - while unstable has the drawback that sometimes some things 90% of users do use breaks. |
| 00:05.38 | mojikun | stable is what a life support system on a martian colony would use |
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| 00:06.36 | mojikun | ksk, unstable was recommended more than testing on reddit. saying testing can keep broken packages for longer and delay security fixes |
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| 00:07.17 | mojikun | i might use that. if the breakages are not much more often than archlinux or another rolling release distro it will be fine |
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| 00:07.44 | ksk | I agree. still, you can end up with an unusable system using unstable - which might be okay if you know debian enough to fix it yourself (like roll back packages, which might or might not work - also take a look at "apt-listbugs") |
| 00:08.33 | annadane | mojikun, fair enough. a lot of people *like* having stable, well tested software, and find they can do anything they want with it + backports |
| 00:08.35 | mojikun | yeah i can use that tool too to avoid broken packages, i think there is a mask fuctionality in apt |
| 00:08.40 | mojikun | like blacklist packages |
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| 00:09.45 | mojikun | annadane, is there any difference if i get a backported python3 and a python3 from testing? |
| 00:09.59 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 00:09.59 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 00:10.00 | mojikun | supposedly backported packages are compiled against stable base |
| 00:10.12 | mojikun | but i never had issues grabbing single packages from testing when using stable |
| 00:10.30 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport python3 |
| 00:10.31 | ksk | if you just install "python3 from testing" on stable, it will pull in maaany other packages from testing, too. then you end up with frankendebian. |
| 00:10.31 | judd | Backporting package python3 in sidâstretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python3.7:any (>= 3.7.3-1~). |
| 00:10.40 | annadane | a lot of packages are compiled against a specific python version so it's a bad idea to replace it |
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| 00:10.57 | annadane | you can always put python 3 in your home directory or /opt though |
| 00:11.15 | ksk | or use pip. |
| 00:11.15 | annadane | (not /usr/local because that'd take preference over the already installed python 3) |
| 00:11.18 | annadane | or use pip |
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| 00:11.39 | ksk | pip, pip, hurra! |
| 00:11.40 | annadane | (not as root!) |
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| 00:12.11 | annadane | except for python programs in /usr/local but again, not python itself |
| 00:12.18 | annadane | ...python is confusing, screw python |
| 00:13.24 | mojikun | so backporting python3 doesnt work |
| 00:13.29 | mojikun | it has unmet dependencies |
| 00:14.11 | ksk | yes. but which part of "use pip" did you not understand? :P |
| 00:14.28 | mojikun | another question. are backports safe to be enabled permanently on stable? (in contrast to enabling the backport repo, grabbing one thing and disabling it again) |
| 00:14.52 | mojikun | so i can have slightly more up to date system when using stable, without sacrificing stability that much |
| 00:14.58 | ksk | yes. to get updates for that backported package, you will also have to have the repo enabled.. |
| 00:15.25 | mojikun | there is the methodology also of enabling, getting one thing and disabling again |
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| 00:16.36 | jmcnaught | you don't have to worry about that with backports, it's set to a lower priority so only packages you've installed from backports are updated from backports |
| 00:16.52 | jmcnaught | backports is meant for selective use, not to grab everything |
| 00:17.30 | mojikun | oh isee |
| 00:17.58 | mojikun | they do that with testing i think then. get something and disable it. so the whole system wont get upgraded to testing. only firefox lets say |
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| 00:18.32 | ksk | to then not automaticly get (security)-updates for that package. |
| 00:18.46 | jmcnaught | It's not safe or recommended to install testing packages on stable |
| 00:19.04 | mojikun | but backported packages get security updates? |
| 00:19.14 | mojikun | from the debian security repo? |
| 00:19.51 | jmcnaught | not from the debian security team, it's backporters that will make updates available. sometimes it takes longer |
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| 00:20.58 | mojikun | so if you can manage it , its even better not to use backports |
| 00:21.09 | mojikun | security/stability wise |
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| 00:21.23 | jmcnaught | or only use a few if you do need to |
| 00:21.50 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian lists some other ways to install software without breaking apt |
| 00:22.02 | mojikun | also are kernels automatically upgraded? |
| 00:22.14 | mojikun | or i have to manually tell it to get a new available kernel? |
| 00:22.32 | mojikun | (i think new kernels are released only with new version every 2 years but i am not sure) |
| 00:22.44 | ksk | apt-get upgrade; dist-upgrade - upgrade-cycle will do that for you. |
| 00:22.51 | jmcnaught | if you install linux-image-amd64 metapackage from stretch-backports you'll get updates but they will be a little slower than stable |
| 00:23.14 | ksk | debians kernel version will of course not change during the lifetime of a release, but you will get updates still. |
| 00:23.43 | ksk | eh, dont forget the apt-get update, of course ;) |
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| 00:24.25 | mojikun | i usually just do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:24.40 | mojikun | i skip the apt-get upgrade, which keeps packages back |
| 00:24.57 | mojikun | maybe on a server thats useful? i have no clue |
| 00:25.07 | ksk | apart from release upgrades (stretch->busteR) that could be okay, not sure ;) |
| 00:25.33 | mojikun | apt-get upgrade supposedly only upgrades what you already have, doesnt install something new, doesnt remove something |
| 00:25.49 | mojikun | but i am not sure whats the use case for that |
| 00:25.50 | ksk | yeah, I did read the manpage (not the first time) recently. |
| 00:26.16 | jmcnaught | apt-get upgrade is safer, you know it's not going to install new stuff or remove anything |
| 00:26.31 | mojikun | those new stuff are usually libraries |
| 00:26.53 | mojikun | i never had dist-upgrade break anything |
| 00:26.54 | ksk | I also think the word "intelligently" in dist-upgrade should be mentioned - I suppose its a relative form of intelligence ;) |
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| 00:27.04 | cthonic | mojikun: running just upgrade is a bit safer with testing/unstable since it'll not try to install packages that are held back. |
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| 00:27.41 | mojikun | i see |
| 00:27.49 | ksk | yeah, dist-upgrade is like, you might have to take a look at what you are doing, in contrast to "upgrade" kind of always being safe (inb4 installing broken packages) |
| 00:28.19 | mojikun | but broken packages dont exist in a distro with 2 year cycle |
| 00:28.23 | jmcnaught | dist-upgrade is almost never needed during a stable life cycle, but sometimes a point upgrade will require it depending on the packages you have installed |
| 00:28.34 | mojikun | so dist-upgrade within stable should be the default i think |
| 00:28.45 | cthonic | mojikun: with stable it might be that you've not had a case where something held back might break a package. I've had libreoffice break after an ill-advised dist-upgrade on testing |
| 00:29.20 | ksk | "but broken packages dont exist in a distro with 2 year cycle" - Oh sweet summerchild.. |
| 00:29.30 | mojikun | ksk, shouldnt exist? |
| 00:29.35 | ksk | not for 90% of users for sure, but sometimes it can happen ;) |
| 00:29.50 | mojikun | debian is very complex, thats what i understand |
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| 00:30.13 | mojikun | took me a while to understand the release cycle and all that, the security patch repo, backports etc |
| 00:30.14 | cthonic | ksk: if nothing ever breaks what would they do for point releases? It'd be a quiet 24 months.. |
| 00:30.33 | mojikun | i still feel that rolling upgrades is a more natural state of things |
| 00:30.39 | ksk | mojikun: yeah, its kind of a philosophy - it might or might not fit your workflow. |
| 00:30.42 | mojikun | as long as they test it for a bit |
| 00:30.52 | ksk | mojikun: not if you are running 10k of them boxes, for example. |
| 00:31.32 | mojikun | but i can see that for a server or something that must be dependable to not change or break, debian stable is the defacto solution |
| 00:32.08 | ksk | as far as I know RHEL is also very stable (and also even "older" with packages than debian?) |
| 00:32.16 | mojikun | for desktop i find packages i want or version of packages missing often. not sure if i can find those in backports always |
| 00:32.19 | jmcnaught | a lot of us don't like our desktops to break either |
| 00:32.32 | cthonic | mojikun: if you wait a few weeks after buster is released for the next 18 months or so testing works like a rolling release |
| 00:32.41 | ksk | yeah, the sysadmin kind of only needs a shell, a browser, and an e-mail client. |
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| 00:33.07 | mojikun | cthonic, why not use sid then? |
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| 00:33.24 | ksk | on my shell server I have also made good experiences with running sid, but my used amount of packages it not too high. |
| 00:33.44 | cthonic | mojikun: some do. testing is just packages that remained in sid for a period with no apparent issues. |
| 00:33.46 | ksk | *amount of packages used - compared to a desktop. |
| 00:33.48 | mojikun | are cyclic dependencies common on sid? |
| 00:34.02 | ksk | what does that mean? |
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| 00:34.29 | ksk | there is #debian-next btw for "non-stable-talk", but I think we can go on talking in here right now (/me hides) |
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| 00:34.51 | mojikun | i had cyclic dependencies or dependency hell on arch before some years. you needed to upgrade something, but something else needed the previous version |
| 00:35.06 | mojikun | so it couldnt let the upgrade happen |
| 00:35.29 | mojikun | different things needed different versions in the end. it was a packaging issue |
| 00:35.29 | ksk | apt will most of times make things work. until the day it wont, and then you wait for some amount of time, and then you try again, and then it works.. |
| 00:36.04 | ksk | not sure if there is any guarantee in sid on how it breaks. |
| 00:36.25 | ksk | (or how it does not brake) |
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| 00:39.34 | mojikun | i might check out siduction |
| 00:39.40 | mojikun | or enable their repos on debian |
| 00:40.12 | mojikun | they supposedly take sid and test it more thorougly so it runs like a rolling release distro |
| 00:40.25 | mojikun | (without problems often) |
| 00:40.32 | dgp | just runs sid and deals with it |
| 00:40.47 | ksk | If you are trusting in their abilties and testing. I would be careful with that, there are maaany debian-forks with questionable quality around. |
| 00:40.53 | ksk | (I dont know siduction) |
| 00:40.55 | mojikun | i think the problem with sid is it isnt meant as a everyday system. its meant as a testing ground |
| 00:41.19 | mojikun | whereas archlinux main repos are meant for an everyday system. even if those two have same versions of packages |
| 00:41.29 | mojikun | more testing is involved in the second scenario |
| 00:41.48 | dgp | Any distro that doesn't have a super long freeze period like stable does is basically the same deal |
| 00:42.07 | dgp | how much do you think people honestly test stuff? Build it, it still runs, ship it |
| 00:42.18 | mojikun | dgp, they have a small testing period. i dont think they instantly upload new releases |
| 00:42.27 | dgp | So it's just like testing then |
| 00:42.31 | mojikun | dgp, i am not sure on that. can only guess |
| 00:42.43 | mojikun | but from what i understand package submissions on sid are automated. |
| 00:42.56 | mojikun | if the package passes some automated tests by lintian or whatever tool is used |
| 00:42.58 | mojikun | its good to go |
| 00:43.18 | cthonic | Manjaro seems to create that snapshot/testing effect for Arch. Which implies that is not the usual Arch policy. |
| 00:43.39 | dgp | the developer has to update the package and probably tests it locally. That's going to be on par with whatever any other disto that ships stuff that isn't 6 months or more out of date |
| 00:43.47 | mojikun | i am not sure what sort of testing they do for other rolling release distros |
| 00:43.59 | mojikun | and if the stability at them would be much greater than debian sid |
| 00:44.34 | mojikun | but i would guess slightly bit more, since rolling is their main product, but debians main product is stable, sid is just a way to get to stable |
| 00:44.39 | mojikun | so less emphasis placed on sid |
| 00:44.57 | mojikun | but in practice i don't know what the extra tests in that short period of time would be |
| 00:45.04 | mojikun | (for other distros) |
| 00:45.17 | dgp | I think you're over thinking how much stuff actually gets tested |
| 00:45.36 | dgp | most of the testing is to upload it and let people install it until someone says it's broken |
| 00:45.37 | mojikun | dgp, well i will just run sid and see for myself |
| 00:45.57 | mojikun | dgp, even in that case more people use a defacto rolling than sid |
| 00:45.59 | dgp | If you don't like sudden weird package conflicts use testing |
| 00:46.29 | cthonic | I've ran sid with few issues with xfce but there was random breakage with GNOME |
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| 00:47.40 | dgp | I've been using the same sid install on different machines for about 10 years. YMMV but I think all the warnings on the debian pages are just to put people that can't help themselves off |
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| 00:48.33 | cthonic | dgp: it does feel like a fair amount of issues are fixed by waiting a few days and at worst needing an "apt install -f" |
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| 00:50.05 | mojikun | whats the command again to check for bugs? |
| 00:50.08 | mojikun | apt-listbugs? |
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| 00:50.33 | mojikun | if you can check beforehand whats broken you can just avoid it |
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| 00:50.39 | mojikun | at least the known ones |
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| 00:51.23 | cthonic | mojikun: that is a package you install that warns you as you try to install/upgrade. It is useful for testing/sid |
| 00:51.45 | mojikun | cthonic, it track online bugreports right?\ |
| 00:51.56 | mojikun | so if i use sid it will tell me known packages with bugs |
| 00:52.35 | cthonic | mojikun: yes, it'll show issues with packages and let you decide if those are an issue in your case. |
| 00:53.49 | mojikun | thats good functionality |
| 00:53.55 | mojikun | makes running sid more practical |
| 00:54.10 | mojikun | other rolling release distros employ something similar as well (gentoo unstable) |
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| 00:56.20 | mojikun | dgp, did you have any case when something broke so bad a reinstall was needed? |
| 00:56.33 | mojikun | i never had that problem with any rolling system |
| 00:56.40 | mojikun | at worst you can just chroot into it and fix it |
| 00:56.53 | mojikun | unless you rm -rf /* or something |
| 00:57.11 | dgp | mojikun: no |
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| 00:58.05 | mojikun | dgp, i think the only time i remember a reinstall was needed was when archlinux changed its init system suddenly without notice |
| 00:58.09 | mojikun | and broken everything |
| 00:58.24 | mojikun | a reinstall was suggested. but that was a very bad decision from then |
| 00:59.06 | mojikun | but i think even that you can fix if you chroot into it and know how to build a system from scratch |
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| 01:04.34 | mojikun | dgp, you were right. siduction for example based on sid doesnt do anything extra |
| 01:04.35 | mojikun | <coruja> siduction delivers debian sid packages as they come up without testing them, but every siduction release is thoroughly tested before being released |
| 01:04.46 | mojikun | they just test the isos more they put on their site (the snapshots) |
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| 01:05.47 | usney | hello everyone |
| 01:05.49 | coruja | mojikun, i didn't say that siduction doesn't do anything extra |
| 01:06.17 | annadane | hi coruja! :D |
| 01:06.24 | coruja | (and i don't like crossposting, and you should quote and interprete correctly if you do) |
| 01:06.30 | coruja | hi annadane |
| 01:07.57 | coruja | siduction comes with own kernel (by towo), calamares installer, styled configurations for some desktops, some extra goodies, to name a few |
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| 01:11.59 | mojikun | coruja, yeah we were discussing on the extra testing aspect of package stability |
| 01:12.09 | mojikun | not just for siduction but other rolling distros like arch too |
| 01:12.20 | mojikun | i was under the impression they did more testing than say just sid |
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| 01:13.52 | coruja | afaik packages entering unstable are only tested by the maintainer (if at all) |
| 01:14.45 | coruja | (it builds, so let's upload, kind of) |
| 01:16.48 | coruja | try to regard the unstable repo as a kind of package dump (of ones that most probably work, compared to experimental, which will be supposed to break some things) |
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| 01:19.08 | usney | hey guys |
| 01:19.46 | usney | I got a question is there a guide for transition to new apps used for CLI debian testing? |
| 01:20.05 | usney | I am trying to adduser and the command can be found what am I doing wrong? |
| 01:20.14 | usney | can not* |
| 01:20.37 | ksk | usney: its a system command, so you need to be root (or sudo) to execute it. |
| 01:20.42 | jmcnaught | usney: are you using su? |
| 01:20.54 | usney | yes I am using su |
| 01:21.18 | mojikun | coruja, yeah thats what i have figured |
| 01:21.34 | jmcnaught | usney: in buster su is different, has different behaviour with environment variables. You need to use "su -l" to get a login shell and the environment you expect |
| 01:21.36 | mojikun | does anyone know how long the testing freeze last by the way? |
| 01:21.39 | ksk | are you using buster? the default su behaviour changed afaik. |
| 01:21.49 | mojikun | i cant get any specific answers |
| 01:22.05 | ksk | mojikun: as long as it takes. |
| 01:22.29 | mojikun | ksk, whats the minimum and maximum till now? |
| 01:22.42 | mojikun | can as long as it takes be more than 6 months for example? |
| 01:22.49 | ksk | I dont know, nor does it matter in my opinion. |
| 01:22.55 | usney | is there a wiki with all the new features of buster that are different from debian stable? |
| 01:23.04 | ksk | usney: yes. |
| 01:23.09 | jmcnaught | mojikun: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Release_statistics |
| 01:23.48 | usney | thank you so much jmcnaught |
| 01:23.55 | mojikun | jmcnaught, what 224 days |
| 01:24.05 | mojikun | thats insane |
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| 01:24.32 | mojikun | i cant even use the sid for rolling release then, since for 200+ people can upload only on experimental |
| 01:24.56 | usney | ksk link please |
| 01:25.05 | ksk | usney: use google? |
| 01:25.24 | mojikun | use duckduckgo please |
| 01:25.40 | mojikun | google major tracking |
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| 01:26.34 | ksk | usney: https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster and I think in there is a link to more stuff |
| 01:26.48 | ksk | usney: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
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| 01:27.28 | usney | I am not using an amd64 system ksk but thanks anyways |
| 01:28.03 | ksk | that does not matter too much in that regard. |
| 01:28.30 | ksk | or so I would say, have not been using anything but AMD64 for quite some time. |
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| 01:29.52 | usney | ksk is debian the best distro for continued 32bit support? |
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| 01:58.51 | somiaj | usney: best is subjective, but debian still (and for the forseeable future) provides a 32bit i386 release. |
| 02:01.17 | dvs | 686? |
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| 02:03.23 | somiaj | I think they suggest 686 as the minimum, but might still support 586 (forget if that was offically dropped or not) |
| 02:04.34 | damrite | 32 bit is forever |
| 02:04.48 | dvs | no, only until 2038 |
| 02:05.46 | damrite | 2038 you will awaken from this dream |
| 02:06.11 | damrite | by 2026 actually |
| 02:06.52 | damrite | what a massive number man |
| 02:06.58 | damrite | 2026] |
| 02:07.04 | dvs | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem |
| 02:07.44 | damrite | when humans will say happy 10000000th year |
| 02:08.01 | damrite | with telepathy |
| 02:08.31 | damrite | 2026 |
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| 02:09.23 | Burrows | unix timestamp stops at 2038 |
| 02:09.51 | dvs | for 32-bit counters |
| 02:10.24 | damrite | 32 bit rocks bro |
| 02:10.38 | damrite | whats the difference anyways |
| 02:11.04 | dvs | remembers when 32-bit processors were a god-send... in the '90s |
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| 02:11.42 | damrite | i have no issue with 64 |
| 02:11.48 | damrite | but whats the point |
| 02:11.55 | damrite | whats the pros |
| 02:12.15 | dvs | more than 4GB of RAM for starters |
| 02:12.28 | damrite | okay might come in handy |
| 02:12.46 | damrite | what else |
| 02:13.13 | damrite | but yeah 7core |
| 02:13.24 | damrite | better than that its haram |
| 02:13.29 | dvs | process double the data/code with the same clock speed |
| 02:14.04 | damrite | 9core |
| 02:14.08 | damrite | 12core |
| 02:14.14 | damrite | 36core |
| 02:14.25 | damrite | and gods among men |
| 02:14.49 | damrite | i feel like watching the matrix now |
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| 02:15.49 | annadane | ...jesus christ |
| 02:16.15 | damrite | im just a musician |
| 02:16.32 | damrite | if armageddon happens |
| 02:16.45 | damrite | i will still be playing that violin |
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| 02:21.07 | somiaj | well with -pae the ram isn't as big of an issue. But many thigns are faster on 64 bit, and other nice things. |
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| 02:21.27 | dvs | UEFI? |
| 02:21.54 | dvs | oh wait, Macs have 32-bit UEFI |
| 02:22.29 | damrite | eff macs |
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| 02:22.46 | dvs | And Windows will only boot GPT partitions with 64-bit systems |
| 02:22.50 | damrite | no better yet |
| 02:23.05 | damrite | eff laptop hipsters |
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| 02:23.52 | somiaj | back in 2006ish when amd64 was comming out there was good arguments for both, but nowdays I'd almost just go with 64 bit unless you either have old hardware, or a very specific reason to need 32bit userland (since you can still run 32bit binaries in 64bit install) |
| 02:24.25 | damrite | i need a glass of water to digest that |
| 02:24.40 | damrite | but 32 bit is just fine |
| 02:25.03 | somiaj | it is just fine, but if you have modern hardware, I'd just suggest installing amd64 on it. |
| 02:25.23 | damrite | im running on a fourcore |
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| 02:25.32 | damrite | 2.smth |
| 02:25.47 | damrite | avlinux (debian) |
| 02:27.27 | damrite | and its fine with me as long as i can produce music |
| 02:27.39 | damrite | my desktop is only duo core |
| 02:27.41 | somiaj | avlinux isn't debian though (it maybe based on debian but isn't debian) |
| 02:28.42 | damrite | it is debian |
| 02:28.50 | damrite | all the commands are the same |
| 02:29.16 | damrite | i heard only the kernel is optimized for realtime use |
| 02:30.45 | damrite | but if its avlinux its avlinux |
| 02:31.05 | damrite | works fine with me |
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| 02:32.38 | Burrows | why use ubuntu/mint when you can just use debian? |
| 02:33.22 | damrite | audio programs crash a lot with mint |
| 02:34.00 | Burrows | do the same programs crash in debian buster? |
| 02:34.08 | damrite | they may |
| 02:34.23 | damrite | it has smth to do with real time users |
| 02:34.34 | damrite | i guess |
| 02:34.56 | Burrows | i use kodi and that crashes quite often |
| 02:34.57 | damrite | i wish i was testing buster tho |
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| 02:35.19 | damrite | im still on stretch and will remain like that |
| 02:35.52 | Burrows | stretch wasn't compatible with my hardware |
| 02:36.04 | somiaj | !avlinux |
| 02:36.04 | dpkg | AV Linux (formerly A/V Linux) is a 32-bit Live DVD distribution based on Debian <squeeze> (as of version 6). It specializes in multimedia content creation using realtime-patched kernels. AV Linux is not supported in #debian. Support forum: http://remastersys.com/forums/?board=20 . http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:36.23 | somiaj | damrite: please don't hit enter as often, and also if you are wanting support or to talk about avlinux, this is not the place. |
| 02:36.37 | damrite | gotcha |
| 02:37.02 | damrite | i just want to have friends |
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| 02:37.14 | somiaj | there is #debian-offtopic and other channels if you just want to chat |
| 02:37.17 | TurskaPanica98 | Hello. I am new and I decided to try making a Live in a Cam site. Hope you will like my idea. The idea of being watched makes me really horny. Enter now ----> http://l2u.su/qcEw :) |
| 02:37.21 | somiaj | this is a support chanel. |
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| 02:38.53 | OS-49944 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.06 | OS-49944 | ah dang my bad |
| 02:39.23 | dvs | hacks OS-49944 |
| 02:39.23 | somiaj | looks like you need to change your password. |
| 02:39.32 | OS-49944 | haha, lol no one use that |
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| 02:40.36 | damrite | im just a man |
| 02:40.47 | damrite | half a man |
| 02:40.52 | Burrows | a monkey man? |
| 02:41.09 | dvs | a centaur |
| 02:41.39 | Burrows | i just realised that that password is racist |
| 02:42.02 | dvs | Tweeter wouldn't think so |
| 02:42.29 | OS-49944 | i knew i was going to spray that on here eventually |
| 02:42.44 | damrite | Burrows, havent enough white italians been racis towards your pops? |
| 02:42.44 | mason | It isn't a movie reference? |
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| 02:43.05 | somiaj | We should try to stay on topic here. There are more appropriate channels for this. |
| 02:43.05 | damrite | or do you want me to mistage nigeria with algeria |
| 02:43.13 | dvs | mason, a song reference |
| 02:43.24 | damrite | mistake |
| 02:43.34 | damrite | OS-49944, |
| 02:44.10 | damrite | trust me |
| 02:44.17 | damrite | albanians know about slavery |
| 02:44.42 | mason | Hey, speaking of which... Does systemd-nspawn allow for networking wherein I can set a MAC address and have a virtual interface? Or does it just piggyback on the system's existing interfaces? |
| 02:45.49 | damrite | peace |
| 02:45.51 | mason | I'll take my answer offline, Tom. |
| 02:46.34 | damrite | serbs caused mischief in the balkans |
| 02:46.40 | damrite | ive lived it |
| 02:47.07 | damrite | and slavic girls make best of street walkers |
| 02:47.34 | damrite | OS-49944, channel all yours |
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| 02:48.26 | mischief | you what mate |
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| 03:30.08 | dvs | 103 bugs?!? Whose the wise guys!?!? |
| 03:34.06 | somiaj | They are gonna start cutting packages most likley. |
| 03:34.09 | somiaj | !buster release |
| 03:34.09 | dpkg | Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster |
| 03:38.25 | dvs | don't cut my packages! |
| 03:38.32 | dvs | joins popularity contest |
| 03:38.42 | dvs | !wwbr |
| 03:38.43 | dpkg | Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html . Remember that Debian releases come out when they are ready, and arrive sooner, if you help ;) |
| 03:38.53 | annadane | [adds more bugs to release critical status] |
| 03:39.06 | dvs | annadane, grrrrr! |
| 03:39.10 | annadane | >:) |
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| 03:42.19 | annadane | for all practical purposes it's probably much less than 103 |
| 03:42.31 | annadane | a number of those have patches and then there's other considerations |
| 03:42.53 | karlpinc | wonders if the yubikey tools still have a release-critical bug and will be part of buster |
| 03:42.54 | dvs | like a release date? |
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| 05:19.50 | binaryhermit | the topic of #debian-devel-changelog on oftc thinks there are 92 RC bugs in buster, it was down in the 80s yesterday, and 95 lie an hour ago |
| 05:23.56 | binaryhermit | so it is less than 103 |
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| 06:41.31 | dokma | One is not provided for 3.27.2 |
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| 07:08.34 | borrougagnou | Hi ! I have a problem with mariadb and I don't know how to fix that... |
| 07:08.58 | borrougagnou | I try "apt purge mariadb" "apt install mariadb" |
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| 07:09.23 | borrougagnou | they block during install process, Impossible to launch the mariadb "service" |
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| 07:11.23 | borrougagnou | systemctl status mariadb : https://i.imgur.com/HwcyjBP.png |
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| 07:13.06 | borrougagnou | sudo mysqld --help --verbose | grep 'log-error' : https://i.imgur.com/A59AnRk.png |
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| 07:13.54 | borrougagnou | "/var/log/mysql" is empty |
| 07:14.36 | borrougagnou | and finally: "cat /var/log/message" I have only that: Jun 13 06:25:02 debian liblogging-stdlog: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="8.24.0" x-pid="3727" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed |
| 07:15.25 | borrougagnou | so, IDK what I do now... |
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| 07:35.48 | Fox | borrougagnou: what does journalctl -xe say ? |
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| 07:44.30 | roylaprattep | https://thehackernews.com/2019/06/linux-vim-vulnerability.html?fbclid=IwAR1FlD0gENTV0cUbtw8o77VkFwjDPnIyopf7ZmDuC8CfmJSgzI3IljyB3Dc&m=1 |
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| 07:45.29 | roylaprattep | a patch gonna be made for Debian's releases? |
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| 08:44.48 | mighty | Hey |
| 08:45.04 | mighty | 14:13 +mighty: Anyone know any app in windows which can copy a photo or document into another document |
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| 08:47.14 | uptime | mighty: You might want to try ##windows rather than this channel |
| 08:48.46 | mighty | Ok |
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| 08:58.07 | roylaprattep | sorry |
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| 09:02.23 | patterson | First go get Open and Libre Office |
| 09:02.45 | patterson | Cutting and pasting is hard for me |
| 09:03.12 | patterson | I doubt i WILL MAKE IT TO THE AIRPORT |
| 09:03.31 | patterson | Pardon moi |
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| 09:43.24 | f8e3 | su strips the second command but why, : $ su && echo |
| 09:44.04 | f8e3 | it queries pw and stops without echo 'hi' |
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| 09:48.30 | ksk | f8e3: in short: subshell. |
| 09:48.45 | ksk | the shell you run right now executes su AND AFTER THAT exits with zero, it will echo |
| 09:48.47 | Habbie | f8e3, your shell only tells su su, because after && comes another command |
| 09:49.11 | ksk | f8e3: what are you really trying to do..? |
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| 09:50.35 | ksk | roylaprattep: I suppose its already fixed in debian in the meantime - and this was disable for system-users in debian in the first place btw |
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| 09:52.10 | ksk | roylaprattep: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/vim -- okay, its only fixed in sid right now. |
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| 09:52.37 | ksk | roylaprattep: also see https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-12735 |
| 09:54.39 | ksk | I suppose it will make its way into stable/testing soonish, however someone states that the fix is not too easy for Jessie/Stretch - not sure if this would keep back the change some more. |
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| 10:03.23 | roylaprattep | ksk: well, ill go back to nano until it is fix in Jessie. |
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| 10:05.54 | ksk | roylaprattep: you can also just disable modelines in your vimrc - or remove the enabling of this, rather. |
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| 10:07.08 | ksk | Im not sure though where and how to do that at the moment - I suppse its somewhere in /etc? my ~/.vimrc looks really non-existing. |
| 10:07.14 | f8e3 | ksk i setup a launcher from desktop xfce, click and adjust fan speed which needs su not even sudo to writ: eg #echo 'level 3' > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan && cat /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal && exit |
| 10:07.45 | ksk | f8e3: sidequestion: why the cat? |
| 10:08.20 | f8e3 | get them print , but will remove sinc eexit righ waway |
| 10:08.27 | f8e3 | *temps |
| 10:09.08 | ksk | mhm, maybe doable with tee? not sure, #bash will definetly know ;) |
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| 10:09.47 | ksk | just transform your later statment into a question, and keep it about the first part of the command. |
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| 10:10.52 | neoclust | hello |
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| 10:11.41 | neoclust | just updated my jessie to stretch and now i have issues with my dovecot. I see messages like Error: userdb lookup: connect(/var/run/dovecot/auth-master) failed: Connection refused |
| 10:11.49 | neoclust | does it ring a bell to anyone ? |
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| 10:14.46 | f8e3 | ksk ok thank you |
| 10:17.14 | neoclust | dovecot[18931]: Error: service(imap-login): listen(*, 143) failed: Address already in use |
| 10:17.18 | neoclust | this is strange |
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| 10:18.33 | ksk | neoclust: "lsof -ni :143" - as root says what? |
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| 10:18.57 | neoclust | ah |
| 10:18.59 | neoclust | portsentr |
| 10:19.00 | ksk | (might be lsof is deprecated, but I have problems remembering the "ss" syntax) |
| 10:19.11 | neoclust | portsentr 580 root 6u IPv4 14568 0t0 TCP *:imap2 (LISTEN) |
| 10:19.16 | Habbie | i have resisted switching from netstat to ss for years |
| 10:19.27 | Habbie | then i spent three days this week chasing what turned out to be a netstat bug |
| 10:19.30 | Habbie | so now i'm learning ss |
| 10:19.47 | ksk | neoclust: sooo, I don't know what that is, but you have *something* listening on that port already ;) |
| 10:20.08 | neoclust | tks i will dig more |
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| 10:25.33 | han-solo | Habbie: i think, netstat and ss have somewhat common options :) |
| 10:26.04 | Habbie | han-solo, options, sure, but netstat doesn't have a filter syntax |
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| 10:26.22 | han-solo | you do one thing, and do it well :) |
| 10:26.59 | Habbie | yes |
| 10:27.37 | han-solo | but the `ss` filter is nice :) |
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| 10:32.45 | ksk | f8e3: btw, if you would break down your issue a little but (like: "use so from desktop to do $stuff") I imagine you could be able to google that - as I think some people would have wanted to do that already in the past. |
| 10:32.58 | ksk | s/so/su/ |
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| 10:35.22 | Kuleshov | Welcome on International Direct Connect Hub with TLS and UTF-8 supported. |
| 10:35.22 | Kuleshov | adcs://dchub.one:411 |
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| 10:36.52 | ksk | Kuleshov: your advertisement is not welcome here. |
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| 10:51.50 | EdePopede | the protocol sounds interesting, anything in debian to play with it? |
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| 11:06.29 | ksk | I was not even able to look it up via quant, do you have something for me? |
| 11:06.49 | ksk | nevermind, google to the rescue :/ |
| 11:07.33 | ksk | mhhm not sure, but wasnt somethink like ADC used if you connect your phone to a linxu computer? |
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| 11:08.24 | ksk | (there is adcli - which is an active-direcoty CLI..) |
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| 11:18.22 | EdePopede | it's that one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Direct_Connect |
| 11:18.47 | EdePopede | had to add 'protocol' to the search, ADC is a company selling alcohol testers here :) |
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| 11:26.52 | Kuleshov | adcs://dchub.one:411 |
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| 11:27.19 | EdePopede | Kuleshov: nope. |
| 11:27.29 | ksk | !ops take a look at Kuleshov please. |
| 11:27.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: ksk complains about a problem (see above) |
| 11:27.58 | EdePopede | Kuleshov: spread your putin propaganda amongst people interested into it |
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| 11:29.23 | mighty | Hey |
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| 11:30.20 | diogenes_ | where to submit the resume to become an op here? :) |
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| 11:31.00 | ksk | diogenes_: I suppose its not open for application. |
| 11:31.30 | diogenes_ | but i suppose there should be some sort of a procedure? |
| 11:31.50 | ksk | irc is not a democracy, from what I know :P |
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| 11:31.59 | diogenes_ | lol good answer! |
| 11:32.08 | mighty | Can anyone tell me how to acess wifi in kali |
| 11:32.14 | ksk | !kali |
| 11:32.15 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 12:57.25 | Matt12345 | test |
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| 12:58.27 | Matt12345 | Hello everyone, I saw that Iptables will be declared as obsolete. Which firewall application do you now recommend? |
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| 12:59.49 | dvs | !nftables |
| 12:59.49 | dpkg | from memory, nftables is <answer> nftables is the next generation of iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6: https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
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| 13:00.14 | greycat | dpkg, nftables =~ s/answer/reply/ |
| 13:00.14 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 13:00.19 | Matt12345 | nftables or bpfilter? |
| 13:00.45 | Matt12345 | !bpfilter |
| 13:01.05 | dvs | no such thing!!!!! |
| 13:01.06 | dynek | has anyone setup google authenticator/otp for ssh access? got it working since a long while but I keep seeing "access denied for user" in logs between password prompt and otp. has anyone worked around this? |
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| 13:02.07 | Matt12345 | dvs, why? |
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| 13:02.24 | Matt12345 | bpfilter is just a reimplementation of the kernel iptables interfaces using BPF, there are no changes from the user point of view |
| 13:02.28 | Matt12345 | Thank you:) |
| 13:02.34 | dvs | Matt12345, I'm kidding. There's just no factoid for it yet |
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| 13:05.05 | Matt12345 | Is any other distribution considering that iptables is deprecated? |
| 13:05.43 | ksk | Matt12345: As far as I know its a change driven by linux, so I would say yes. |
| 13:06.55 | ksk | you can of course create your own fork, debitables, if you like :x |
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| 13:50.33 | revolutionary | hi all. |
| 13:51.06 | revolutionary | i saw from someone Debian does have Vanilla distro but i couldn't find any information or website about this. If someone knows can you share with me? |
| 13:51.34 | revolutionary | or someone developed and it became Debian based |
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| 13:53.19 | mason | revolutionary: Debian *is* the vanilla GNU/Linux distribution. |
| 13:53.52 | revolutionary | mason: i though there is a Vanilla named distro available. I guess i am wrong |
| 13:54.06 | revolutionary | thought* |
| 13:54.12 | greycat | !vanilla |
| 13:54.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, vanilla is plain | original | canonical | unmodified | ordinary | standard | default |
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| 13:54.40 | revolutionary | greycat got it |
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| 14:01.10 | humpled | vanilla is delicious |
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| 14:08.11 | ayekat | revolutionary: I fear 'Debian' and 'vanilla' aren't really compatible :-/ |
| 14:09.13 | greycat | The context is extremely unclear, but I'm guessing he's not a native English speaker, and he saw a sentence like "On a vanilla Debian distribution, such and such..." and was confused. |
| 14:09.57 | greycat | I would help if he'd just tell us the actual sentence. |
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| 14:10.07 | ayekat | ah, that'd make more sense |
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| 14:11.45 | greycat | It* would |
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| 14:13.31 | revolutionary | greycat are you coming from Oxford British Dictionary Council? |
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| 14:13.58 | greycat | No, I'm just trying to figure out what you're actually asking, so I can help. |
| 14:14.06 | revolutionary | i see |
| 14:14.10 | greycat | I *think* I know what the issue is, but I'm still just guessing. |
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| 14:20.55 | uio | Hi, looking into backing up a directory onto a usb regularly. Could you recommend some tools? |
| 14:21.10 | uio | How is backintime? |
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| 14:22.53 | LtL | uio: it's hard to beat rsync for that |
| 14:22.59 | uio | o |
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| 14:23.18 | uio | I think backintime uses rsync. |
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| 14:27.33 | alphazulu | uio: apt-cache search incremental |grep backup for a list |
| 14:28.09 | AK | dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database |
| 14:28.09 | dpkg | AK: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 14:28.32 | AK | How to remove i386 arch? |
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| 14:29.19 | amaldo | uio, I could recommend rdiff-backup. Uses rsync, and keeps the current state of each file directly accessible (with diffs to the old versions that you can get). |
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| 14:30.18 | alphazulu | AK: does dpkg -l |grep i386 show i386 packages? |
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| 14:33.08 | AK | alphazulu: is it okay to remove all those packages? |
| 14:33.18 | AK | I just added arch i386 for wine |
| 14:33.24 | AK | which now I don't need |
| 14:33.29 | greycat | in that case, I'd say yes |
| 14:34.28 | AK | greycat: can't we redirect alphazulu's command's output to apt remove? |
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| 14:35.07 | greycat | you could, yes, but with the effort required to write a little script to do that, you could just paste the names by hand |
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| 14:38.31 | AK | greycat: apt purge `dpkg -l | grep i386 | awk '{print $2}'` |
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| 14:38.55 | greycat | you'd better hope that i386 doesn't appear in the package description or anything like that |
| 14:39.18 | greycat | a command like that isn't 100% safe, and making it safe is what takes all the actual effort |
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| 14:39.51 | greycat | since this is a one-time thing, it'd be faster just to paste the things by hand. right hand on mouse, click click click. left hand on space bar, tap. |
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| 14:40.28 | AK | greycat: I have some problem with mouse ;-) |
| 14:41.03 | AK | in urxvt I don't know after rewritting Xresources, I have to press and hold shift to select text |
| 14:41.07 | greycat | then write the pipeline's output to a file and VERIFY it yourself before you stick the |xargs apt purge on the end of it |
| 14:42.06 | twobitsprite | dpkg-query -W --showformat '${binary:Package}\n' | grep i386 |
| 14:42.12 | AK | here is the Xresources if someone can help with http://ix.io/1LGk |
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| 14:43.16 | twobitsprite | AK: ^ use that dpkg-query command to ensure you're only grepping package names and not descriptions or anything |
| 14:43.58 | AK | twobitsprite: I'm done removing the packages with :i386 |
| 14:44.40 | twobitsprite | AK: ah, ok. I was just addressing greycat's concern about the grep being "safe" |
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| 15:27.31 | guest278776 | test |
| 15:27.42 | Chunkyz | test failed. |
| 15:27.53 | guest278776 | : ) test is mucho success |
| 15:28.04 | guest278776 | hate logins and stuff, super excited : ) |
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| 15:28.26 | DammitJim | do you guys know if connman updates the DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 15:28.28 | Chunkyz | excited for what? |
| 15:28.45 | Chunkyz | guest278776, ^ |
| 15:28.47 | guest278776 | i can potentially have live tech chats |
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| 15:29.09 | Chunkyz | guest278776, excited for what? |
| 15:29.53 | guest278776 | my current problem is to stick a seat on a kiwano self balancing mono wheel so its not debian related, but u never know, any ideas? |
| 15:30.19 | Chunkyz | what the.... |
| 15:30.20 | Chunkyz | lol |
| 15:30.27 | guest278776 | its a pole on a wheel basically |
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| 15:30.45 | greycat | you can try #debian-offtopic but this is really out there |
| 15:31.06 | guest278776 | lol any link? is that non register too? |
| 15:31.23 | guest278776 | u guys are probably brainy though and could help |
| 15:31.26 | greycat | so wait, you just chose us to target for harassment because of our open door policy? |
| 15:31.33 | guest278776 | lol |
| 15:31.42 | guest278776 | no i love debian |
| 15:31.51 | guest278776 | poor ian |
| 15:31.56 | guest278776 | rip |
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| 17:07.06 | bigpotoflulz | your mom's cunt smells like sewage |
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| 17:09.39 | EdePopede | i can't get utf-8 chars in the tty of the live system, no problems on the installed one. what's the relevant difference? |
| 17:10.07 | greycat | when you say "in the tty" do you mean the Linux console, or an X terminal of some kind? |
| 17:11.31 | EdePopede | heh, i've seen the same reaction in a stackoverflow question on the matter. tty as in /dev/tty. (i got problems with the term console due to console and xconsole. and then there's Konsole.) |
| 17:11.40 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:11.54 | greycat | /dev/tty does not clarify it either. Now, if you mean /dev/tty1 THAT would clarify. |
| 17:12.10 | EdePopede | this one and its siblings. |
| 17:12.23 | EdePopede | right, tty and tty0 are special somehow iirc |
| 17:12.28 | greycat | So the Linux console. In that case, the most likely difference is whether you're using the frame buffer console or not. |
| 17:13.02 | greycat | /dev/tty is a special magic device that means "the controlling terminal of this process". If you echo stuff to /dev/tty it will appear in your terminal, no matter what terminal that happens to be. |
| 17:13.11 | EdePopede | vanilla live. 9.5. may something relevant have changed in the meantime? |
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| 17:14.07 | EdePopede | i've also seen fbcon mentioned somewhere, but the last time i used it willingly was with aalib years ago. |
| 17:14.24 | EdePopede | would it be a grub option? |
| 17:15.05 | greycat | maybe start with "cat /proc/cmdline". I'm also reading a google search result page. |
| 17:15.30 | humpled | :\/ |
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| 17:15.57 | greycat | also dmesg | grep 'frame buffer' |
| 17:15.58 | EdePopede | added this to the default: noautologin locales=de_DE.UTF-8 timezone=Europe/Berlin keyboard-model=pc105 keyboard-layouts=de |
| 17:16.15 | EdePopede | still had to restart console-setup to make at least input work |
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| 17:18.18 | EdePopede | no networking, so just descriptive here... 4 lines, mentioning: switch to color fb device 180x56; fb0: EFI VGA fb device; first line repeated; fb0: ineldrmfb frame buffer device |
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| 17:18.32 | EdePopede | looks to me like fb should be in use |
| 17:19.28 | EdePopede | and may it be relevant, it's a Lenovo M82, around 10 years old. |
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| 17:20.14 | humpled | what is the question? |
| 17:20.32 | greycat | OK, then if frame buffer console is active, and locale is set to a known *.UTF-8 locale (is de_DE.UTF-8 actually generated in this live image?) then I don't know why it wouldn't work -- maybe ask #debian-live on OFTC |
| 17:21.04 | greycat | humpled: reported a lack of working UTF-8 characters on Linux text console in Debian 9.5 live image |
| 17:21.55 | EdePopede | went there one week ago, no real success so far with this special issue |
| 17:22.36 | EdePopede | i mean i do get my Umlauts, only in latin as it seems (in UTF-8 i always get that glibberish output where some characters are left or are not visible though in the command line) |
| 17:23.06 | greycat | Slow down, be more precise. Are you saying de_DE.iso8859-1 works but de_DE.UTF-8 doesn't? |
| 17:25.42 | EdePopede | no. i can input äöü, but they appear eg as 0xf6. when i type "printf 'ö' | hd" then the ö appears when i type the 2nd ' and that one after the space. hd shows then "f6" as output. hm, something is different now... |
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| 17:25.53 | EdePopede | oh, i did unicode_start yesterday |
| 17:27.56 | EdePopede | now hd receives 'c3 b6' from printf. another thing was that some error output with one of these characters showed them as 2 characters, i should remember what it was |
| 17:28.12 | greycat | c3 b6 is correct for ö in UTF-8 |
| 17:28.56 | EdePopede | ah, it was while i was looking for keymaps, but /usr/share/keymaps isn't there. output contains an ö, looks ok now |
| 17:29.10 | greycat | if you're seeing mangled shell input lines *while* you type them, my first immediate thought is you're using bash with a prompt (PS1) with escape sequences in it (color codes, etc.) and they are not properly protected |
| 17:29.20 | EdePopede | so it seems that i need unicode_restart and nothing else? |
| 17:29.36 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea what unicode_restart is |
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| 17:30.27 | EdePopede | ah, unicode_start. is in kbd package |
| 17:30.44 | greycat | even that's new to me... if that seems to work, then maybe toss it in your .profile or something |
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| 17:31.15 | EdePopede | is a shell script: unicode_start - put keyboard and console in unicode mode |
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| 17:31.34 | greycat | yeah, I see the man page for it |
| 17:31.58 | EdePopede | that's my main task atm with the live, trying to get some persistence. that's why especially the "noautologin" |
| 17:32.14 | EdePopede | and having a working text console can't be wrong |
| 17:32.47 | EdePopede | will look later for the script, what it does. |
| 17:33.26 | greycat | unicode_start is /bin/unicode_start |
| 17:33.27 | greycat | unicode_stop is /usr/bin/unicode_stop |
| 17:33.34 | greycat | ... wut |
| 17:33.41 | EdePopede | for now i'll see if it is enough to run it right after login. and maybe some ... heh?! |
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| 17:34.47 | EdePopede | maybe following the logic "start may be NEEDED right after boot to give the user a chance to use it, while stop is an optional feature" |
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| 17:35.32 | EdePopede | glibberish utf-8 output combined with a mostly unknown keyboard layout is its own kind of riddle |
| 17:36.01 | greycat | I can't even test the input side of things here -- US keyboard. |
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| 17:36.18 | greycat | (Plus I'm not running on a "Live" system.) |
| 17:36.21 | EdePopede | (i already had y and x in my passwords, had my fun with it sometimes) |
| 17:36.55 | EdePopede | so i have a key more than you! |
| 17:37.17 | EdePopede | unless you use the intl version, afaik it also has that extra key |
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| 17:37.52 | greycat | I do very little work at the console. I'm almost always in X. |
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| 18:08.13 | hejux | hello, is there a way to extract DSDT.aml from a bios ROM file? |
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| 18:13.09 | TheUnknown67 | Could someone tell me why KDE Plasma is not being updated on Debian Sid? I understand that there is a freeze for Debian testing, but shouldn't Debian Sid still have up-to-date software? |
| 18:13.22 | greycat | !slushy |
| 18:13.22 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 18:14.25 | TheUnknown67 | Ok. Thank you for the explanation. |
| 18:15.16 | TheUnknown67 | So this means after Debian Buster is released, KDE Plasma will most likely start to receive updates again? |
| 18:15.21 | greycat | yes |
| 18:15.30 | TheUnknown67 | Ok. Thank you. |
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| 18:15.40 | greycat | and we have an actual date for buster (July 6) |
| 18:15.49 | greycat | ... too late. oh well. |
| 18:15.58 | whislock | hejux: Don't cross-post your questions to different channels. Ask in the channel pertinent to the OS you're working with. |
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| 18:23.19 | AK | I have 1mbps speed and download size is 4.3G. How much time it should take to complete? |
| 18:24.05 | dgp | AK: as long as it'll take you to find a calculator |
| 18:24.07 | greycat | 1 megabit per second is roughly 1 megabyte per 8 seconds, in theory. 4.3G could be 4300 megabytes or so. |
| 18:24.13 | usney | I am trying to get 3d acceleration with an ati radeon xpress 200m graphics card and it isn't working any ideas? |
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| 18:24.29 | usney | I tried following this guide and it doesn't work |
| 18:24.30 | usney | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1654240 |
| 18:24.51 | greycat | if you're running ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 18:25.21 | greycat | if you're not running ubuntu, consider not following advice in ubuntuforums.org |
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| 18:26.07 | AK | I have 35 minutes remaining in bandwidth renew. so will it be completed before I ran out of the time? |
| 18:26.28 | greycat | you can use bc to do arithmetic, or you can use $(( )) in bash or most other shells |
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| 18:26.49 | AK | I used python and got 80 minutes. |
| 18:27.11 | AK | maybe I'm wrong so I asked here |
| 18:27.42 | AK | 1.1G has been downloaded. |
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| 18:28.16 | AK | speed is increasing, now I'm getting 2Mbps |
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| 18:32.10 | humpled | 5 hours? |
| 18:32.27 | greycat | apparently his initial speed estimate was wrong, so who knows |
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| 18:33.08 | humpled | and are they mega bits or bytes per second ... |
| 18:33.08 | AK | 1.6G has been downloaded. |
| 18:33.17 | EdePopede | why, the original DSL speed for Telekom has been 768kbps. later the competitors started with 1Mbps |
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| 18:33.48 | AK | I used chrome to download. and I can see the filename has .part extension. |
| 18:33.56 | EdePopede | will be renamed later |
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| 18:34.32 | humpled | i guess MB/s then |
| 18:34.38 | EdePopede | and maybe moved to its final destination, depending on how this is handled. there was a bug report for firefox about downloading and moving around downloaded files |
| 18:34.58 | humpled | which is faster than my adsl so well done |
| 18:34.58 | usney | greycat I am not using ubuntu I am on debian |
| 18:35.06 | greycat | they reported 1.1G done at x:27 and 1.6G done at x:33 |
| 18:35.28 | usney | greycat can you help me with my issue? |
| 18:35.31 | AK | I'm downloading it from google drive. so I think if something bad happens(don't finish in time), I can pause it and ... |
| 18:35.41 | humpled | it'll be fine |
| 18:35.44 | greycat | half a gigabyte every 6 minutes would mean the remaining 3 gigabytes in 36 minutes or so |
| 18:35.51 | usney | on ubuntu 3d acceleration worked but they no longer support 32bit :( |
| 18:36.05 | usney | on debian 3d acceleration doesn't work |
| 18:36.11 | EdePopede | AK: shouldn't be a problem with any protocol and client which allow you to resume interrupted downloads. |
| 18:36.53 | AK | then use wget on same file in another directory, cancel it and then then rename the chrom downloaded file as new downloaded filename and use wget -c on it |
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| 18:37.47 | AK | 2.2G has been downloaded |
| 18:38.03 | rant | @.@ |
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| 18:38.51 | EdePopede | there's more tension in it than in the match that just finished around one hour ago |
| 18:38.54 | greycat | usney: no, *I* probably can't help you, but maybe someone else can. Start with the basics. What version of Debian, and what video card (lspci -nn output with the PCI ID). |
| 18:39.41 | rant | usney: (lspci -nn;lsmod;dmesg|grep -i firmware;cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 18:39.48 | rant | usney: run that as root |
| 18:39.58 | greycat | you lost your ) |
| 18:39.58 | rant | erm |
| 18:40.01 | rant | yeah |
| 18:40.09 | rant | usney: (lspci -nn;lsmod;dmesg|grep -i firmware;cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log) | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 18:42.37 | usney | okay thank you |
| 18:42.50 | usney | I am using debian testing |
| 18:43.18 | AK | usney: #debian-testing on oftc |
| 18:43.20 | rant | I am too.. and I'm hungry.. while we're sharing.. |
| 18:43.30 | greycat | you mean #debian-next |
| 18:43.31 | rant | AK: its #debian-next and not necessary |
| 18:43.43 | AK | oh yeah #debian-next |
| 18:43.48 | usney | I have to ask on oftc? |
| 18:43.57 | rant | Buster is releasing very soon, if you can't support it here, then you need to go cry yourself to sleep |
| 18:44.10 | greycat | no, you're fine here with testing this late in the freeze |
| 18:44.12 | rant | usney: you need to compile those logs I asked for so we can help |
| 18:44.27 | usney | yes I am working on that |
| 18:44.36 | usney | I am using two computers at the moment |
| 18:44.38 | greycat | after buster's release, bullseye-testing will need to go to OFTC though |
| 18:44.39 | AK | usney: I'm also on testing but I don't know what 's your problem as I'm in mine right now ;-) |
| 18:44.40 | usney | one is cli only |
| 18:44.57 | rant | I see.. well if you had it online, and issues that command it would return a rather small url |
| 18:45.11 | usney | yes both are online |
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| 18:45.24 | rant | netcat and termbin makes compiling logs rather easy |
| 18:45.57 | rant | only problems is when compiling larger picture, then I usually use a for loop cause termbin like most pastebins has a size limit |
| 18:46.10 | rant | but that info should fit in one paste |
| 18:46.27 | rant | and give plenty clear enough of a picture |
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| 18:47.04 | greycat | it's also perhaps worth mentioning that /var/log/Xorg.0.log might not be the correct location, but we can worry about that after we get the first pass |
| 18:47.30 | usney | nc command not found rant |
| 18:47.32 | AK | greycat: we on testing don't have to upgrade from iso right? |
| 18:48.00 | greycat | you can upgrade from stretch using apt/apt-get, or you can install from a buster installer image |
| 18:48.08 | AK | 3.5G downloaded and I have 12 minutes remaining |
| 18:48.25 | usney | I am only on testing because I need the gerbera software to stream media |
| 18:48.29 | greycat | sounds like you're getting a whole lot more than 1.1 megabits per second |
| 18:49.03 | AK | yeah sometimes its even getting me 2.7mbps :) |
| 18:49.05 | greycat | perhaps you actually meant to say 1 MBps before |
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| 18:49.49 | usney | okay rant going to assume nc is short for netcat going to install netcat and rerun the commands |
| 18:49.55 | greycat | capital vs. lower-case b makes an enormous difference here |
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| 18:50.25 | usney | https://termbin.com/9579 rant |
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| 18:50.38 | AK | greycat: yeah and now again its 1MBps |
| 18:51.20 | usney | I blacklisted the internal wifi since it is really slow compared to my usb doggie |
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| 18:51.53 | AK | killed discord and it is now 2.xx MBps again. 3.9G has been downloaded now :) |
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| 18:53.06 | usney | I blacklisted it because it was causes problems with rf-kill |
| 18:53.22 | AK | ln: failed to create hard link '/boot/initrd.img-5.1.8.dpkg-bak' => '/boot/initrd.img-5.1.8': Operation not permitted |
| 18:53.36 | AK | maybe some /boot partition error? |
| 18:53.43 | usney | are you sure you ran it as root? |
| 18:53.52 | rant | ,pciid 1002:5955 |
| 18:53.53 | judd | [1002:5955] is 'RS480M [Mobility Radeon Xpress 200]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeonfb', 'radeon' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5955 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 18:54.23 | AK | 0C95 /boot vfat umask=0077 0 1 |
| 18:54.35 | AK | usney: yeah ran as root. |
| 18:54.41 | greycat | boot cannot be vfat |
| 18:55.23 | rant | [ 101.371] (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled :-/ |
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| 18:55.44 | AK | I did partitioning myself but fstab was system generated |
| 18:56.14 | rant | usney: how about a full output of dmesg -T ? |
| 18:56.15 | AK | greycat: speed is now 3.5MBps ;-) |
| 18:56.24 | usney | okay rant |
| 18:56.25 | greycat | AK: well, a vfat file system can't have symlinks, so that's why the attempt to make a symlink failed... |
| 18:56.41 | rant | usney: all I can see is that everything seems to be setup yet xorg disabled direct rendering and I dont see any clues as to why |
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| 18:57.25 | rant | [ 101.266] (II) RADEON(0): GPU accel disabled or not working, using shadowfb for KMS |
| 18:57.29 | rant | ah also says that |
| 18:57.47 | usney | https://termbin.com/5zem |
| 18:57.48 | AK | greycat: downloaded. lemme renew the data plan, and will discuss it |
| 18:58.16 | rant | it seems like its failing to probe through the kernel for something |
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| 18:59.03 | rant | usney: meh, thats rather nasty :P and not useful maybe we'll need to check the journal |
| 18:59.50 | greycat | maybe consider turning off the firewall at least until you're done debugging the video |
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| 19:00.13 | rant | maybe someone else can chime in, I'm not real savvy with systemd and we used to have /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh that wrote out the dmesg to /var/log/dmesg but that doesnt happen anymore |
| 19:00.39 | rant | really what I'm looking for is all the kernel messages at boot time that would historically had been in /var/log/dmesg |
| 19:00.52 | rant | for any additional clues |
| 19:01.18 | rant | seems related to KMS so the kernel version, command line, and output at boot, would be relevant |
| 19:01.41 | greycat | usney: see if "journalctl -k" has the early dmesg lines |
| 19:01.52 | usney | so what other info do you need? |
| 19:02.09 | rant | would like to see the kernel output from boot to login |
| 19:02.16 | rant | and perhaps after X starts even |
| 19:02.25 | rant | without all that UFW crap |
| 19:02.28 | usney | the only custom systemd bootups I made was for my wifi card to connect automatically after everything has booted |
| 19:02.47 | rant | yeah well that shouldnt affect anything |
| 19:03.10 | rant | idk why they didnt implement a way for systemd/journalctl to write /var/log/dmesg.. doing away with that is annoying |
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| 19:03.26 | rant | cause I dont know of an alternative other than sifting through the journal |
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| 19:04.00 | usney | https://termbin.com/si7z |
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| 19:04.21 | greycat | <https://askubuntu.com/questions/859816/where-did-the-functionality-of-var-log-dmesg-go-in-xenial-16-04> also has journalctl -k as its (top/only) answer |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | Jun 12 16:45:29 debian kernel: [drm:r100_cp_init [radeon]] *ERROR* Failed to loa |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | d firmware! |
| 19:05.53 | greycat | Jun 12 16:45:29 debian kernel: radeon 0000:01:05.0: firmware: failed to load rad |
| 19:05.54 | greycat | eon/R300_cp.bin (-2) |
| 19:06.11 | greycat | usney: have you enabled non-free in sources.list yet? |
| 19:07.05 | greycat | (We would have caught this earlier, except the UFW messages pushed all of the firmware messages out of the dmesg ring buffer...) |
| 19:08.02 | usney | how do I do that again? greycat for testing I mean |
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| 19:09.04 | usney | how come I am getting so many UFW messages? |
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| 19:09.15 | usney | is someone trying to hack my machine? |
| 19:09.44 | usney | https://termbin.com/ta1wm |
| 19:09.48 | somiaj | bots are constantally trying to probe machines on the network, could just be that as opposed to someone targeting you. |
| 19:09.58 | greycat | usney: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put " contrib non-free" at the end of each line. Then run apt update. Then run apt install firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 19:10.33 | somiaj | though I didn't see the actual firewall messages, maybe you have a misconfiguration too (so trafic you want is actually being filtered) |
| 19:10.36 | rant | yeah I was thinking it might be firmware.. only radeon I have is my thin client has an SoC with Radeon R2E and it all works but multihead and audio without firmware |
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| 19:11.18 | rant | I think it'd be a good idea to reimplement what bootmisc.sh had done with creating a seperate log at boot |
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| 19:11.42 | rant | I see no reason why that couldnt have been done as a systemd unit |
| 19:12.08 | greycat | wrong verb tense. could be done. |
| 19:12.40 | somiaj | Does the same issue happen if you enable persistance journal by creating /var/log/journal (so this way you can look back through the logs after they have left memeory)? |
| 19:13.13 | rant | point is not wanting to sift through all that for support purposes.. we just want a snapshot of the log at boot |
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| 19:13.32 | rant | pastebins only support a limited file size |
| 19:14.00 | rant | and for that purpose there is no reliable command to get just the boot time messages |
| 19:14.06 | greycat | usney: if the firmware package installs, you'll need to reboot |
| 19:14.57 | AK | greycat: I'm back again |
| 19:15.04 | rant | though I suppose I will have to get used to checking journalctl for firmware errors as its apparently larger than the kernel buffer |
| 19:15.30 | usney | yes it has installed thank you greycat |
| 19:15.46 | AK | well, I use efistub and have some scripts in /etc/kernel, initramfs. which cp my initrd.img and vmlinuz to /boot |
| 19:16.19 | rant | really, it should be considered implementing a mechanism for detecting and installing firmware, since its often enough an issue for us in debian |
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| 19:16.35 | rant | we modify the crap out of things for our purposes.. this seems like one we should consider |
| 19:16.44 | greycat | rant: it's called the unofficial non-free firmware install images |
| 19:17.24 | somiaj | though in this case, I don't think those images have the amd graphics firmware, just network firmware. |
| 19:17.42 | AK | greycat: I have all those lines commented. only have one line in /etc/apt/sources.list. so is it okay? |
| 19:17.43 | greycat | hmm, good question... |
| 19:17.46 | rant | yeah, you and I know to use those.. but for people who dont know and have spam in their kernel buffer there is no /etc/motd entry, no touch missing-firmware or any such thing to just let the user know there was a firmware issue |
| 19:18.26 | rant | there could be some means of making this more apparent |
| 19:18.43 | greycat | to be fair, most users probably don't enable UFW or anything else that spams kernel warnings before fixing up their basic hardware issues |
| 19:18.54 | greycat | but you're not wrong |
| 19:18.55 | AK | https://paste.c-net.org/TracksEmporium |
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| 19:20.08 | usney | rant greycat the 3d acceleration still is not working |
| 19:20.54 | AK | so is it okay or I'm missing something? |
| 19:21.06 | greycat | unless rant has a better idea... (journalctl -k; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log) | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 19:21.38 | somiaj | usney: what firmware package did you install? |
| 19:21.49 | usney | the one he said to install |
| 19:22.05 | somiaj | usney: I missed the name, and just want to double check what is it. Also what radeon card do you have? |
| 19:22.29 | usney | ati radeon xpress 200m |
| 19:22.42 | greycat | 1002:5955 'RS480M [Mobility Radeon Xpress 200]' |
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| 19:25.24 | somiaj | I'm not seenig that firmware mentioned in the description of the package, I'm seing RS600/690/780 |
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| 19:25.54 | somiaj | but I'm seing the R300_cp.bin it says it can't load...hmm |
| 19:25.55 | greycat | his journalctl had errors for R300_cp.bin |
| 19:26.05 | greycat | so I confirmed with judd in /msg |
| 19:26.12 | greycat | ,file R300_cp.bin |
| 19:26.16 | judd | Search for R300_cp.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-amd-graphics: lib/firmware/radeon/R300_cp.bin |
| 19:26.31 | greycat | (didn't double-check for buster though) |
| 19:26.58 | greycat | ,file R300_cp.bin --release buster |
| 19:27.02 | judd | Search for R300_cp.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-amd-graphics: lib/firmware/radeon/R300_cp.bin |
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| 19:33.31 | usney | when I try to run glxgears it fails to start judd greycat rant |
| 19:33.54 | greycat | judd's a bot, so no point trying to get its attention that way |
| 19:33.59 | somiaj | share you /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
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| 19:36.28 | usney | https://termbin.com/9k0t |
| 19:36.51 | greycat | I think you used echo instead of cat |
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| 19:37.38 | usney | I used ls whoops |
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| 19:39.58 | greycat | usney: I suspect this may be the wrong file. It says Current Operating System: Linux debian 4.9.0-8-686-pae |
| 19:40.19 | greycat | Or are you running buster with a stretch kernel? |
| 19:40.20 | usney | hmmm |
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| 19:40.37 | usney | maybe? |
| 19:40.44 | greycat | what does uname -a say? |
| 19:41.05 | usney | same thing |
| 19:41.12 | usney | well almost |
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| 19:41.17 | usney | how do I which kernels? |
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| 19:42.08 | somiaj | [ 101.371] (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled |
| 19:42.16 | somiaj | Not sure why it is being diabled though..:/ |
| 19:42.17 | greycat | if you're running 32-bit (which it seems you might be), you'd want to install linux-image-686-pae |
| 19:42.50 | somiaj | the xorg log had the kernel info, Current Operating System: Linux debian 4.9.0-8-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.144-3.1 (2019-02-19) i686 |
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| 19:43.12 | greycat | somiaj: I'm wondering, though, if that's the right file, or if it's actually ~/.local/share/xorg/blah |
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| 19:43.27 | greycat | thus I wanted to compare that to uname -a |
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| 19:44.02 | somiaj | ahh yea, good point. |
| 19:44.10 | somiaj | since that kernel is outdated. |
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| 19:49.24 | usney | I am rebooting now |
| 19:50.42 | usney | is 4.19.0-5-686-pae the kernel I want? |
| 19:50.53 | greycat | sounds good |
| 19:51.15 | usney | still says it is disabling gpu acceleration at bootup |
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| 19:54.43 | usney | greycat opacity isn't working but glxgears is now working |
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| 19:57.24 | rapha | hi |
| 19:57.51 | usney | hello rapha how may we assist you? |
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| 19:58.59 | rapha | usney: what do people who run debian on a server (so, probably stretch) usually do about libvirt 3.0.0? just sticking it out until buster goes stable or migrate up towards 5.4.0 by self-compiling? |
| 19:59.42 | f8e3 | the debian live image does not contain cryptsetup so i am stuck on no internet unable to mount, can i use dpkg -i cryptsetup.somefile ? |
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| 20:00.32 | somiaj | rapha: I would suggest sticking it out, unless you really need newer libvirt. |
| 20:00.57 | somiaj | rapha: in gneral people usually stick with the software that is avaiable in the stable release if at all possible (due to security support and stability). |
| 20:01.00 | somiaj | !buster release |
| 20:01.01 | dpkg | Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster |
| 20:01.03 | rapha | somiaj: i see. that might mean a couple of years from now, right? |
| 20:01.09 | somiaj | rapha: don't worry, you might hav eto wait too long. |
| 20:01.20 | rapha | oh! |
| 20:01.24 | somiaj | ,v libvirt |
| 20:01.25 | judd | No package named 'libvirt' was found in amd64. |
| 20:01.34 | rapha | wow i was under the impression buster was a long while out |
| 20:01.37 | somiaj | ,v libvirt-daemon |
| 20:01.38 | judd | Package: libvirt-daemon on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u6; stretch: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; buster: 5.0.0-3; sid: 5.0.0-3; experimental: 5.2.0-2 |
| 20:01.44 | rapha | thank you for setting me straight somiaj :D |
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| 20:02.25 | somiaj | rapha: it has been frozen since febuaray. Also you'll only get 5.0.0 in buster, if you are on a system in which 5.4.0 is needed, either buster may not be a good host for you, or your going to have to both compile, matain and security support it on your own. |
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| 20:03.11 | f8e3 | if i download lvm2 package for dpkg -i ... ; is it this link: http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lvm2/lvm2_2.03.02-2.debian.tar.xz ? |
| 20:03.25 | f8e3 | or is this source, i looked here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/lvm2 |
| 20:03.27 | rapha | at least it would get me to 5.0.0 and i could then self-compile and migrate to 5.4.0 manually and switch to something like alpine. even though i'd prefer not to rip the hypervisor out from under an existing bunch of VMs. |
| 20:03.46 | greycat | !don't break debian |
| 20:03.46 | dpkg | i guess dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:03.48 | greycat | f8e3: ^^ |
| 20:04.03 | rapha | greycat: well, breaking something that |
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| 20:04.16 | rapha | 's basically been marked to get shot dead anyways is a bit of a different thing |
| 20:04.49 | greycat | All I see is someone trying to randomly install a sid package with zero clue what they're doing. |
| 20:05.12 | f8e3 | greycat, xy mmh, i need to mount luks encrypted usb stick from live cd which does not have 'cryptsetup' unkown command, so i need cryptsetup.deb and lvm2.deb i guess? |
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| 20:05.48 | somiaj | rapha: in general you should consider what software you need when deciding a release to use. For a host I wouldn't recommend compliing libvrit on your own, but finding a distro/release that supports it with the security and stability you desire. |
| 20:06.10 | somiaj | rapha: though you could istall buster and try it out, and get it all ready for the release, just no security support so maybe don't make it open to the public just yet. |
| 20:06.25 | rapha | greycat: sorry, didn't realize what the other conversation that's going on was about. |
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| 20:07.02 | rapha | somiaj: what i was trying to imagine was just a migration path toward something that has the properties you mention. |
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| 20:10.06 | f8e3 | should i run automake the source package from the .tar ? |
| 20:10.16 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:10.23 | greycat | I can't even. Just no. |
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| 20:18.52 | greycat | we got an unusually large number of debian-live questions here today. something in the water supply? |
| 20:20.07 | jmcnaught | ,v libvirt-daemon-system |
| 20:20.08 | judd | Package: libvirt-daemon-system on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u6; stretch: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 3.0.0-4+deb9u3; buster: 5.0.0-3; sid: 5.0.0-3; experimental: 5.2.0-2 |
| 20:21.40 | humbot | i finally learned how to use live-build, it's not so bad |
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| 20:24.54 | f8e3 | options: either build custom livecd or add sources.list link + pkg manager, but not from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/ for package and dpkg -i it, is that about right? |
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| 20:25.23 | f8e3 | so no download and install kind of thing |
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| 20:36.13 | Nothing4You | i'm having an issue with ipv6 |
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| 20:36.52 | Nothing4You | i'm configuring static networking via /etc/network/interfaces, i'm having 2 ips on an interface, second ip is added via "up ip -6 a add ..." |
| 20:37.02 | Nothing4You | afterwards i'm trying to add a route using that added ip as src addr |
| 20:37.30 | Nothing4You | however, it seems that dad is still pending at that time and the ip isn't added yet, so i'm getting the error Invalid source address. |
| 20:37.38 | Nothing4You | any idea how i could fix this? |
| 20:38.12 | Nothing4You | route is added via post-up |
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| 20:38.51 | mojikun | hey |
| 20:39.01 | mojikun | my wifi device doesnt appear with ifconfig |
| 20:39.11 | mojikun | but when i do ip link, i can see it |
| 20:39.15 | mojikun | how do i bring it up? |
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| 20:43.35 | jhutchins_wk | man ip? |
| 20:43.54 | jhutchins_wk | iwlist? |
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| 20:47.26 | f8e3 | i solved it via: create unencrypted usb stick :D |
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| 21:26.52 | leeyaa | hi guys |
| 21:27.05 | leeyaa | do you know which mirror i should use for orange pi board ? |
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| 21:27.12 | leeyaa | seems like their image has broken mirror |
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| 21:28.43 | leeyaa | most likely because it is for weezy lol |
| 21:28.47 | leeyaa | wheezy* |
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| 21:39.07 | leeyaa | ah forget it. just going to download armbian |
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| 21:42.33 | dvs | 100 bugs left! |
| 21:42.43 | dvs | it went up |
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| 21:59.43 | FunkyBob | ok... so installed a new browser recently... now whenever I open a link from my terminal, _two_ browsers open that page [one that's running, one that's not] |
| 21:59.50 | FunkyBob | any idea where I even start to look for the cause? |
| 22:01.18 | LtL | FunkyBob: you might run update-alternatives --config x-www-browser /* that may fix it */ |
| 22:02.05 | FunkyBob | will try that again... |
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| 22:10.36 | jhutchins | FunkyBob: Also look for "preferred applications" in your desktop config. |
| 22:11.18 | Kuleshov | ÐобÑо пожаловаÑÑ Ð½Ð° ÐнÑÑнаÑоналÑнÑй DC Ñ
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| 22:11.20 | FunkyBob | not sure any of these are going to resolve _two_ browsers launching for _each_ link... but will check |
| 22:11.23 | Kuleshov | Welcome on International Advanced Direct Connect Hub with TLS and UTF-8 supported. |
| 22:11.25 | Kuleshov | https://vk.com/dchubone |
| 22:11.27 | Kuleshov | ÐдÑÐµÑ Ñ
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| 22:11.29 | Kuleshov | adcs://dchub.one:411 |
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| 22:15.51 | rant | !ru |
| 22:15.52 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 22:39.14 | rapha | !se |
| 22:39.14 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
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| 23:17.22 | ksk | rant: he/she/it is a spamming bot? |
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| 23:22.48 | annadane | okay, um, good luck solving this one, i have a really weird issue. so on firefox (firefox 67 from mozilla's site, not esr), on discord's client i get frequent crashes. a java game i also play (not in firefox; separately) has been crashing a lot on startup too, both these things started happening pretty recently... do i have a corrupt RAM issue or something? should i just wipe and reinstall, take the coward's way out? |
| 23:24.11 | annadane | i don't think i did any updates to cause this to happen... |
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| 23:26.16 | annadane | actually you know what, it's going to take too long to diagnose, i think i am just going to start from clean slate |
| 23:28.04 | leopard | how are they crashing? seg fault? |
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| 23:28.27 | leopard | are you running them from console to see what kind of error messages get left? |
| 23:28.40 | annadane | i'm not, and that's a good idea |
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| 23:28.46 | annadane | but honestly let me just reinstall |
| 23:28.57 | annadane | i don't really feel like troubleshooting, thank you though |
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