| 00:00.36 | LtL | My default is FF 67.0.4 in $HOME I don't recall doing anything special to make it default, firefox-esr is still installed also. |
| 00:01.01 | Henry151 | well i usually run esr as firefox-esr , and just don't use firefox |
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| 00:01.23 | Henry151 | but i wanted to make it so that /usr/bin/firefox is replaced by the version of firefox that i just downloaded from mozilla |
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| 00:01.40 | at0m | annadane: they'll still source the same .mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini. it's up to the user to then select the correct profile. (though i admit i used same profiles for both, and didn't notice oddities) |
| 00:01.59 | Henry151 | so i was thinking if i put a "firefox" symlink in /usr/local/bin/firefox that it would temporarily replace /usr/bin/firefox until such time as i delete the symlink |
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| 00:02.18 | Henry151 | just wanted to make sure that i was doing it right |
| 00:04.06 | annadane | i'm kind of tired so sorry for not following along atm |
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| 00:04.22 | LtL | Henry151: a dist-upgrade may get tripped up by that, i don't know. I do know buster won't mess with my $HOME, it didn't with jessie-stretch |
| 00:06.15 | Henry151 | hm |
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| 00:06.48 | Henry151 | i'm just gonna forget about it |
| 00:06.52 | Henry151 | just forgets about it |
| 00:07.36 | Henry151 | opens up esr again and continues with his web-browsing like he never even heard about the vulnerability |
| 00:07.52 | annadane | falls asleep |
| 00:08.37 | LtL | !coffee annadane |
| 00:08.37 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for annadane, courtesy of ltl |
| 00:09.20 | Henry151 | writes down "say !coffee $nick to anybody who complains of being tired" |
| 00:09.32 | annadane | anyway i can't live without https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl so no firefox-esr for me |
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| 00:10.39 | annadane | mozilla's also reasonably good at *not* having newer versions of their browser suck |
| 00:10.44 | annadane | so i'll take the improvements |
| 00:10.45 | Henry151 | i heard about that. considered trying it out but never did actually. It must be nice. the person i was speaking with about it was saying that it messed them up, because it has slightly different behavior than actual vim, and so they got habits from it that messed them up while trying to actually use vim. |
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| 00:12.17 | annadane | the transition to firefox quantum killed vimperator and now with firefox versions older than, what, 64? tridactyl won't work either |
| 00:12.22 | annadane | so, like, what do you want |
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| 00:17.48 | LtL | I try to avoid add-ons and browser extensions beyond a script blocker in the browser, and a codec or two |
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| 00:20.19 | LtL | /me steers back into the on topic lane |
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| 00:32.53 | zophyx | oh my |
| 00:34.11 | cybercrypto | oh |
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| 00:38.44 | annadane | my |
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| 00:40.16 | ross` | https://base.im/~ross/pb/dkms https://base.im/~ross/pb/nvidia |
| 00:40.48 | ross` | https://base.im/~ross/pb/dkms.txt https://base.im/~ross/pb/nvidia.txt |
| 00:41.07 | ross` | Anyone know what might cause that? |
| 00:44.09 | LtL | ross`: #nvidia channel is very good at this. |
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| 00:44.33 | tux_ | https://pastebin.com/raw/vqQpNGHi |
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| 00:44.50 | tux_ | does that look okay? ^^ |
| 00:44.55 | LtL | ross`: i'm not running you off, be aware. |
| 00:45.37 | jmcnaught | tux_: systemd has a User= directive that you can use instead of using 'su tuxâ¦' in ExecStart |
| 00:45.57 | usney | how do I do that jmcnaught ? |
| 00:46.00 | usney | I am tux |
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| 00:47.15 | jmcnaught | usney: put a line that says User=tux in the [Service] section |
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| 00:47.46 | usney | then get rid of su -c" |
| 00:47.48 | usney | ? |
| 00:47.54 | jmcnaught | usney: yeah |
| 00:48.19 | usney | so do everything the same except for the su tux -c? |
| 00:49.32 | jmcnaught | usney: I've never tried to launch screen on boot like this (only ever used it interactively). Is the point so that you can attach to the screen session and interact with rtorrent (I also don't use this) |
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| 00:52.14 | jmcnaught | usney: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RTorrent#Systemd_services_using_tmux_or_screen has an example systemd service unit that does more stuff than yours |
| 00:52.26 | jmcnaught | usney: is this for stretch, or buster? |
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| 00:53.45 | jmcnaught | usney: because apparently the rtorrent in buster has a daemon mode which wouldn't require you to use screen |
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| 00:54.40 | tux_ | it is for stretch jmcnaught |
| 00:54.47 | tux_ | I reinstalled stretch |
| 00:56.34 | ross` | LtL: Thanks! |
| 00:57.47 | tux_ | https://pastebin.com/raw/U8FWE4Fi jmcnaught |
| 00:58.24 | tux_ | jmcnaught I decided to wait until buster comes out |
| 00:58.31 | jmcnaught | tux_: did you look at the example I linked on the arch wiki? |
| 00:59.04 | jmcnaught | tux_: or maybe check out deluged or transmission-daemon |
| 01:00.13 | tux_ | I tried using transmission it is to hard for me to setup jmcnaught |
| 01:00.30 | tux_ | rtorrent is easier for me |
| 01:00.48 | jmcnaught | tux_: I just use transmission-gtk on my desktop |
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| 01:01.06 | tux_ | I have never been able to successfully use any other remote torrent app |
| 01:01.20 | tux_ | so I just use ssh screen and rtorrent |
| 01:01.37 | tux_ | to securely manage torrents |
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| 01:02.51 | tux_ | I am looking for a remote solution that restarts after reboots from upgrades |
| 01:03.37 | tux_ | I would like to get emails of what got installed though do you know how to set that up? I mean not local emails but on the web like gmail or outlook? |
| 01:04.27 | tux_ | thank you so much jmcnaught for the example in the arch wiki |
| 01:05.15 | tux_ | I probably would have ran into the rtorrent lock problem thanks jmcnaught for that script |
| 01:05.19 | cybercrypto | tux_: Do you want to run dpkg for listing packages installed and get the output sent to you via email? Sorry I did not get it correctly. |
| 01:06.16 | tux_ | yes I would like after each time my debian machine does an unattended updates I would like to get sent an email of what was installed |
| 01:06.36 | tux_ | to my web email not local email |
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| 01:07.33 | cybercrypto | tux_: well... not sure if is that exactly what you want... but I manage to do that long ago using perl module for mail (smtp and smtps) |
| 01:07.54 | cybercrypto | tux_: you can send to any mail address you want, even the local ones. |
| 01:08.06 | tux_ | cool |
| 01:08.11 | tux_ | tutorial link? |
| 01:08.46 | cybercrypto | tux_: I am also thinking... you can do that esier compared to perl, with python. |
| 01:09.02 | tux_ | yes I learned a little python |
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| 01:09.12 | tux_ | but I have forgotten much |
| 01:09.23 | cybercrypto | tux_: uff.... long ago... dont recall by heart... allow me to check old hard disk. |
| 01:09.45 | tux_ | okay thank you |
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| 01:10.43 | cybercrypto | tux_: found two links that may guide you in the journey... perhaps it will trigger back your developer skills :-) |
| 01:10.50 | cybercrypto | https://www.pythonforbeginners.com/code-snippets-source-code/using-python-to-send-email/ |
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| 01:11.22 | cybercrypto | tux_: I preffer realpython instead... chek it out |
| 01:11.27 | cybercrypto | https://realpython.com/python-send-email/ |
| 01:11.43 | jmcnaught | tux_: what you need is to configure a Mail Transport Agent (MTA) on the server that will forward mail to root@localhost to your personal email address. The default MTA on Debian is exim4, but there are simpler ones like msmtp-mta or ssmtp. |
| 01:12.33 | cybercrypto | tux_: make sure you get all the inputs from unnatended upgrades piped to a log file, then trigger your python to parse and send it to external email addrees using smtplib. |
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| 01:15.14 | cybercrypto | jmcnaught: I agree, using an MTA is also an option... but it will be another service in tux box, just to send a mail once in a while. |
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| 01:18.03 | jmcnaught | I'd say that if you have an account on a mail server that will allow it, configuring a null mailer MTA would be the easiest, certainly easier than writing custom Python script |
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| 01:21.20 | tux_ | I guess I can just ssh login and read the logs |
| 01:21.25 | tux_ | :) |
| 01:21.47 | tux_ | but how do I just search for the updates in the mail log? |
| 01:22.39 | tux_ | pipe it to grep or something? |
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| 01:22.45 | jmcnaught | tux_: just look at the logs in /var/log/unattended-upgrades |
| 01:22.56 | tux_ | cool thanks jmcnaught |
| 01:23.15 | annadane | speaking of, does unattended upgrades tell you when you need reboots? or do you just have to check the logs manually |
| 01:24.13 | jmcnaught | I don't use unattended-upgrades, but I also don't have very many systems that I need to keep up to date |
| 01:24.30 | annadane | i don't think i ever will either, for my desktop |
| 01:26.22 | LtL | annadane: I don't do unattended, but I do like the needrestart package. |
| 01:26.59 | annadane | see, i know needrestart exists |
| 01:27.03 | annadane | i just... haven't used it |
| 01:27.09 | annadane | i probably should |
| 01:27.10 | LtL | needrestart is part of a larger package, i just install needrestart |
| 01:27.28 | tux_ | what does needrestart do? |
| 01:27.33 | annadane | it's not, you're thinking of checkrestart |
| 01:27.43 | annadane | it checks for outdated binaries |
| 01:28.22 | LtL | tux_: any upgrades completed it will advise you as to what could need restarting, and will do it for you if you wish. |
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| 01:28.51 | tux_ | oh so you don't have to do a full reboot? LtL |
| 01:29.18 | LtL | it can run any time you want also. you rarely need a full reboot. |
| 01:29.41 | annadane | full reboots are basically what, kernel + microcode updates |
| 01:29.52 | cybercrypto | tux_: just a sec, please |
| 01:29.57 | annadane | but for example upgrading virt-manager would require you to restart the service for it |
| 01:30.50 | LtL | kernel + firmware = reboots, anything else can be restarted |
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| 01:31.01 | jmcnaught | dbus also needs a reboot |
| 01:31.02 | LtL | most anything else |
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| 01:32.21 | tux_ | I am going to restart but my other connected irc user will still be here however so I will still see posts. I want to see if that unit service works. |
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| 01:33.22 | annadane | meh |
| 01:33.28 | annadane | i'll install needrestart i guess |
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| 01:57.53 | cybercrypto | tux_, you there? |
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| 01:58.21 | usney | I am |
| 01:58.31 | usney | I am tux also cybercrypto |
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| 02:00.27 | cybercrypto | usney: ok |
| 02:00.41 | usney | do you need to tell me something? |
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| 02:01.34 | usney | the other issue I was working on is not working journal -xe says something about ufw and my network card's name |
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| 02:01.56 | usney | the systemd unit script me and jmcnaught were working on |
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| 02:04.23 | usney | I think perhaps I need to have the unit script start after this other unit script |
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| 02:05.36 | tux_ | I am back cybercrypto |
| 02:05.40 | cybercrypto | usney: yeap, here is an example using python for sending external mail to google. |
| 02:05.52 | cybercrypto | tux_: https://paste.debian.net/1088702/ |
| 02:06.05 | usney | thanks |
| 02:07.18 | cybercrypto | tux_: you will get reject by Google, if your settings are blocking 'non-secure-apps'. SO I recommend you to change it on the google website (you will have the link when you try to login) and send a test message to yourself. |
| 02:08.38 | cybercrypto | tux_: from there, you will just need to create a dummy google account (dont think you will be using your personal one.. it is up to you) and enhance the python script to get the debian unnattended log file contents, into you 'message' variable. |
| 02:08.53 | cybercrypto | tux_: good luck and have fun" |
| 02:08.55 | cybercrypto | tux_: good luck and have fun! |
| 02:09.26 | plouj | where can I find a working mirror of https://anonscm.debian.org/git/apt/apt.git ? |
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| 02:16.05 | plouj | nvm, found it at https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt.git, the link at https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/apt is broken |
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| 02:17.45 | zoredache | plouj: the buster/sid link seems to be fine |
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| 02:36.28 | tux_ | jmcnaught https://pastebin.com/raw/z2W3Zgzt |
| 02:37.44 | Kremator | folks, historically what made debian differentiate from other distro's back in its beggining? was APT the major player making Debian well.... begin Debian? |
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| 02:38.40 | annadane | i wasn't around for it but yes, people liked apt |
| 02:38.59 | annadane | but tux_ does have a support question and #debian-offtopic is a better place for discussion |
| 02:39.00 | zoredache | don't think apt was added until like 2.2ish? I know I switched From redhat because of RPM hell though |
| 02:39.21 | Kremator | annadane, which were the diff between slackware (back then) and let's say debian 2 |
| 02:39.28 | annadane | dunno |
| 02:39.35 | dvs | It's because debian does a lot of testing and doesn't update packages willy-nilly |
| 02:39.46 | Kremator | zoredache, exactly, i want to know what made debian differentiate from other distros back in its early versions |
| 02:39.57 | annadane | #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:40.31 | Kremator | annadane, oh c'mon it is distro related and nobody is asking a tehcnical question at the moment |
| 02:40.44 | Sveta | Kremator: tux_ is. |
| 02:40.47 | zoredache | not sure why a question about Debian is offtopic for #debian. |
| 02:40.57 | annadane | i said tux_ had a question |
| 02:41.03 | annadane | otherwise i'd probably let it slide |
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| 02:43.04 | zoredache | tux_: may need to add more context to his question. I am not sure people in the channel are all going to try to scroll back over the last hour to follow everything. Maybe by adding the current systemd until to the past or something. Maybe needs to add the output if they run the command directly at a shell. |
| 02:44.43 | tux_ | https://pastebin.com/raw/wEL05uKT zoredache |
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| 02:48.57 | zoredache | why forking? |
| 02:49.56 | ross` | I fixed my nvidia issues by manually upgrading to 430 |
| 02:50.00 | ross` | and by downgrading my kernel |
| 02:51.01 | ross` | 418.74 is failing to load nvidia_drm into the kernel on boot for 4.19.0-4-amd64 and 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 02:51.47 | usney | ? zoredache |
| 02:52.28 | zoredache | usney: just trying to understand why your unit is forking. Not sure I understand why you would have that |
| 02:55.40 | usney | dunno I copied the unit from arch wiki like jmcnaught recommended to do |
| 02:56.29 | zoredache | Anyway so are there any screen sessions running right now? What happens if you just run the screen command directly? |
| 02:56.44 | jmcnaught | usney: the unit examples on the arch wiki might not actually be that great, but presumably they worked for someone. Did you try running the ExecStart= command directly in your shell? |
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| 02:57.01 | usney | no |
| 02:57.05 | usney | let me try |
| 02:57.19 | zoredache | My screen+interactive units look more like this. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2w7RBzCP/ |
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| 02:57.53 | zoredache | Maybe try adjusting your ExecStart to just fire off /bin/bash temporarily instead of rtorrent |
| 02:58.24 | zoredache | See if you can just get a basic shell working in a screen session |
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| 03:00.06 | zoredache | though mostly I have switch over all my usage to tmux these days |
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| 03:27.44 | usney | hey guys I solved my issue I will pastebin what I did jmcnaught cybercrypto zoredache |
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| 03:31.28 | usney | I rebooted and it worked |
| 03:31.33 | usney | yay! |
| 03:31.38 | usney | I solved it all on my own |
| 03:32.18 | annadane | what's the command again... |
| 03:32.27 | annadane | damnit |
| 03:32.37 | usney | what command? |
| 03:32.55 | annadane | like the "congratulations, user" thing dpkg has |
| 03:33.30 | annadane | !win usney |
| 03:33.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, usney! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 03:33.34 | annadane | there it is |
| 03:35.17 | Psi-Jack | heh |
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| 03:38.33 | tux_ | I am usney too |
| 03:38.40 | tux_ | here is how I solved my issue |
| 03:38.55 | tux_ | I slightly modified the unit script from arch wiki |
| 03:38.57 | tux_ | here it is |
| 03:39.28 | tux_ | save it in /etc/systemd/system/rtorrent@.service |
| 03:39.31 | tux_ | https://pastebin.com/raw/tMpqbAuZ |
| 03:39.44 | tux_ | use a text editor like nano |
| 03:39.54 | tux_ | then after you save it |
| 03:40.13 | pingfloyd | usney: you've taken your first step into a larger world. |
| 03:40.30 | tux_ | systemctl enable rtorrent@tux |
| 03:40.47 | tux_ | enter your password |
| 03:40.50 | tux_ | then reboot |
| 03:40.56 | tux_ | then it works |
| 03:41.01 | tux_ | ya |
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| 03:48.00 | blastwave | curious if anyone has any world class slow hardware running Debian sid. |
| 03:48.43 | blastwave | thinking about a hand crank babbage machine or better |
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| 03:50.01 | jmcnaught | usney: that ExecStop=/bin/kill -9⦠I would see if you can successfully stop the service without that line (comment it out) or at least remove the -9 |
| 03:50.15 | jmcnaught | !kill9 |
| 03:50.15 | dpkg | No, no, no! Don't use kill -9. It doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself. First try kill -15; then try kill -2; then try kill -1. |
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| 03:51.52 | jmcnaught | usney: if you comment out ExecStop= you'll also want to comment out KillMode=none) |
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| 03:56.03 | usney | jmcnaught when I reboot it gives me two processes running for rtorrent |
| 03:56.18 | usney | how do I set it up to kill old processes properly? |
| 03:56.25 | usney | after that it should work fine |
| 03:56.41 | usney | two screen processes |
| 03:57.01 | usney | oh I am being dumb |
| 03:57.09 | usney | I need to kill screen |
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| 03:59.13 | blastwave | anyone know how to set a better console font in buster or sid ? |
| 03:59.32 | jmcnaught | usney: I would try commenting out the lines ExecStop= and KillMode= and seeing if you can still stop the service with "systemctl stop rtorrent@tux" |
| 03:59.33 | blastwave | am currently getting 80x25 orso |
| 04:00.11 | a0z | blastwave: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 04:00.28 | blastwave | a0z: beauty ... let me try that right now |
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