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| 00:12.26 | burrows | sometimes when I update my system I see "User sessions running outdated binaries..." and it lists currently running outdated binaries that need restarting. Is there a command I can type to see that same list that "apt" uses? |
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| 00:17.34 | jmcnaught | burrows: it's probably needrestart-session |
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| 00:23.55 | burrows | jmcnaught: package "needrestart-session" depends on a lot of packages, and apt lists them without those dependencies |
| 00:24.11 | eb0t | nyov who is much better thanks |
| 00:26.51 | eb0t | debian lists tty and pts |
| 00:26.57 | eb0t | other system just lists 1 tty |
| 00:27.04 | eb0t | that explains it |
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| 00:31.20 | burrows | found the command btw, it's "sudo needrestart", thanks jmcnaught for pointing me in the right direction |
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| 00:52.58 | phil_azing | I just installed debian under WSL on windows 10. Does this area cover that use case? |
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| 01:07.39 | altker128 | phil_azing: Are you running into issues with Debian on WSL? |
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| 01:14.21 | terrible | hello it is possible to rename one folder and all the files inside that folder with the mv command?? |
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| 01:22.05 | Tom-_ | terrible, there's a perl-based rename command in Debian somewhere |
| 01:22.12 | Tom-_ | !rename |
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| 01:22.41 | Tom-_ | dpkg, prename |
| 01:22.42 | dpkg | prename is probably a utility to rename files based on perl expressions including regular expressions, e.g. «prename s/JPG/jpg/ *». prename is often also available as /usr/bin/rename but that is not guaranteed -- calling it prename will mean you get a command not found error rather than accidentally calling the wrong rename with bad consequences. |
| 01:23.06 | Tom-_ | but, to answer your original question, no. mv doesn't do that all in one command |
| 01:24.49 | terrible | Tom-_: but prename is not installed by default right??? |
| 01:25.47 | Tom-_ | it is |
| 01:27.11 | terrible | actually i dont have it installed i found it in the repos list |
| 01:27.40 | terrible | gprename and rename both arent installed by default and are in the repos list |
| 01:29.46 | Tom-_ | hmm well i assumed that perl was installed by default because it's in standard and i assumed a lot of things depended on it |
| 01:30.11 | Tom-_ | and prename is in perl on my Debian stretch-based system |
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| 01:36.44 | terrible | Tom-_: ok thank you tom |
| 01:39.58 | Tom-_ | you're welcome |
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| 01:54.03 | altker128 | terrible: There are some cool renaming / dupe finding programs out there as well |
| 01:55.13 | terrible | altker128: any of those programs are installed by default?? |
| 01:55.27 | terrible | and what are the names of them |
| 01:55.28 | terrible | ??? |
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| 01:57.24 | somiaj | for what purpose? |
| 01:57.33 | phil_azing | I went away to research WSL. My issue is urbackup fails in what I suspect is the WSL Debian area of disk. I suspect it is relates to perl having both a sys and a Sys directory. |
| 01:58.02 | somiaj | rename works and has simple syntax, if you have subdirectories of your subdirectory, this can get a little more complicated, also depends on the format of the files |
| 01:59.43 | phil_azing | Windows shows \\wsl$\Debian\usr\lib\x86_64-linux-gnu\perl\5.24.1\Sys and \\wsl$\Debian\usr\lib\x86_64-linux-gnu\perl\5.24.1\sys and I think urbackup is confused by case change |
| 01:59.47 | terrible | somiaj: what i trying to do is to remane one folder and all the files inside that folder with the mv command but is not possible one folk here told me one solution the rename command |
| 01:59.55 | altker128 | terrible: Not by default |
| 02:00.18 | altker128 | terrible: dupeguru is one (GUI) , fdupes (CLI) |
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| 02:00.44 | altker128 | terrible: fslint (to find duplicates) |
| 02:00.49 | altker128 | terrible: fslint (to find duplicates, GUI) |
| 02:01.59 | altker128 | phil_azing: Hrm, sorry, I have nothing to comment on that, no experience with WSL |
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| 02:04.52 | terrible | altker128: ok |
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| 02:18.11 | phil_azing | I found some info at https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2016/06/15/wsl-file-system-support/ |
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| 02:18.59 | phil_azing | and at https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/do-not-change-linux-files-using-windows-apps-and-tools/#comment-85115 |
| 02:19.29 | phil_azing | WSL looks like a mess to me |
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| 02:26.39 | scaredysquirrel | um yes how do I compile Weston 6.0.1 after compiling Wayland 1.17.0? |
| 02:26.55 | scaredysquirrel | I put Wayland in $HOME/bin |
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| 02:28.15 | m4ch1n3znc | that waylandthing will replace Xorg/Xserver in future? |
| 02:28.42 | Primer | phil_azing: I tried to move from cygwin to WSL, but pids in WSL != PIDS on windows |
| 02:28.47 | Primer | So things like ssh agents don't work |
| 02:29.14 | somiaj | m4ch1n3znc: that is the plan, though it is taking its time, though buster will use waylend by default with gnome. |
| 02:29.40 | Haxxa | Hey Guys I need some advice I am getting lots of kernel panics from USB Passthrough, someone was telling me that this is common depending on the hardware and I'm best to use the host instead or use another server, thoughts? |
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| 02:32.20 | m4ch1n3znc | passthrough from host to kvm guest? |
| 02:32.34 | Haxxa | yes |
| 02:32.53 | Haxxa | m4ch1n3znc, with a usb webcam used for IP camera |
| 02:33.09 | m4ch1n3znc | try avoid un/pluging while host is running with an rull for passthrough |
| 02:33.22 | m4ch1n3znc | *guest |
| 02:33.51 | Haxxa | m4ch1n3znc, its never unplugged its a server |
| 02:33.57 | m4ch1n3znc | set a rule for certain device plug it to host then boot guest |
| 02:34.29 | jmcnaught | scaredysquirrel: 'apt-get build-dep weston' would install what is required to compiled the weston package, then presumably you follow the instructions in the INSTALL or README in the weston tarball |
| 02:34.30 | m4ch1n3znc | yes but the guest may detect device un/replug it |
| 02:35.05 | m4ch1n3znc | when you set a rule for a device it should prevent that when guest releases device its pluged into host |
| 02:35.10 | jmcnaught | scaredysquirrel: by the way how do you intend to run weston, in a tty? |
| 02:35.16 | m4ch1n3znc | and try downgreade from usb3 to 2 |
| 02:35.20 | scaredysquirrel | jmcnaught: um yes in a tty |
| 02:35.28 | scaredysquirrel | but I wanna have Weston built as my user |
| 02:35.36 | scaredysquirrel | Debian doesn't have Weston 6 |
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| 02:36.07 | somiaj | scaredysquirrel: the suggestion wasn't to isntall debian's weston, but to use debians source package to install the build depends. |
| 02:36.16 | scaredysquirrel | mhm |
| 02:36.42 | m4ch1n3znc | hey but anyway why an ip cam needs passthrough to vm? |
| 02:37.09 | jmcnaught | scaredysquirrel: also please don't crosspost, it's impolite (/msg dpkg crosspost) |
| 02:37.16 | m4ch1n3znc | why guest doesnt access the cam over ip |
| 02:38.10 | scaredysquirrel | lol lol lol MATE 1.22 |
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| 02:46.36 | Primer | Does anyone here know how iwlwifi picks the firmware file it loads? I check the intel site and the driver for this card use -34 firmware, but dmesg shows -38 being loaded. Both exist in /lib/firmware, so I figure they are not mutually exclusive. |
| 02:47.13 | Primer | This wifi fails to resume from suspend. It's the one annoying thing about this great new laptop. |
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| 02:48.07 | m4ch1n3znc | wlan firmwares are in non-free firmware packages |
| 02:48.21 | m4ch1n3znc | firmware-<chip_manufacturer> |
| 02:48.27 | m4ch1n3znc | apt-cache search ^firmware- |
| 02:48.31 | Primer | Indeed |
| 02:48.35 | m4ch1n3znc | eg firmware-atheros |
| 02:48.43 | Primer | The question was, how does the driver pick which it loads |
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| 02:49.12 | Primer | [83932.014747] (NULL device *): firmware: direct-loading firmware iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode |
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| 02:50.19 | Primer | Mine's the 9560, which should be using iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode, according to Intel's file for the model, from their site |
| 02:50.24 | m4ch1n3znc | think in detail its individual for each driver but the firmwares seem to be all in /lib/firmware/ |
| 02:50.43 | Primer | Yup, they are. Both are. |
| 02:51.22 | Primer | Both iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode and iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode (as well as iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-41.ucode) |
| 02:51.41 | m4ch1n3znc | my atheros wlan has e.g an option "modprobe use_dev_fw=1" |
| 02:51.59 | m4ch1n3znc | if its set then it loads the firware-dev variant file |
| 02:52.12 | m4ch1n3znc | else the regular |
| 02:52.35 | m4ch1n3znc | seems that its hardcoded for my device in ath9k_htc kernel module |
| 02:52.56 | m4ch1n3znc | the paths |
| 02:53.21 | m4ch1n3znc | *modprobe ath9k_htc |
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| 02:53.54 | Primer | modinfo iwlwifi doesn't list anything equivalent |
| 02:55.10 | m4ch1n3znc | yeah would think they are usually hardcoded, my device is an exception cuz firmware is opensource and there is also an development firmware variant but the drivers are not ment to play around with diffrent files |
| 02:55.20 | Primer | I don't even know if changing this will make a difference...just need this to resume from suspend. Maybe I should test to make sure this actually works in windows... |
| 02:55.26 | m4ch1n3znc | you can backup and rename versions to that one that is loaded |
| 02:55.34 | m4ch1n3znc | or symlink it |
| 02:56.19 | Primer | yeah, I thought of that. I'll test windows first. Hate to think it's an actual hardware issue, but who knows. |
| 02:56.30 | m4ch1n3znc | but think the wlan module is ment to run with only one certain version of fw |
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| 02:56.51 | Primer | Except this one drives all sorts of different cards |
| 02:56.57 | m4ch1n3znc | certain module version for certain fw version |
| 02:57.08 | Primer | And I imagine it loads the firmware based on the PCI ID |
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| 02:57.42 | Primer | Gonna test windows just to check that box |
| 02:57.44 | m4ch1n3znc | no the module is loaded that way and the fw path is hardcoded in the module |
| 02:57.54 | m4ch1n3znc | i guess think |
| 02:58.01 | Primer | modinfo does list a bunch of firmware files |
| 02:58.11 | Primer | So yeah, that makes sense |
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| 04:53.32 | ozfalcon | Currently I have a ram disk setup from fstab. How would I make this a zram disk instead? |
| 04:53.54 | somiaj | just modify fstab with the correct options, or write a systemd unit file. |
| 04:54.08 | somiaj | but systemd just turns enteries into systemd .mount units |
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| 04:55.13 | ozfalcon | Can you point to any references. Whenever I google zram/fstab all I get is setting up zram for swap. |
| 04:56.10 | somiaj | Unsure on the details, I would start with by manually mounting one with the mount command, then you'll know what to add to fstab. |
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| 04:57.02 | somiaj | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/zram.txt -- maybe start witht he kernel doc |
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| 05:03.22 | somiaj | ozfalcon: a brief read of that says it is a bit more complicated than a normal device, you'll have to load the module, set the size of the disk, make a file system on it, then mount the file system. |
| 05:04.42 | ozfalcon | So have a zram entry in fstab may not be possible? |
| 05:05.20 | somiaj | ahh I found a way to do it with udev rules, so you might be able to 1) write a udev rule that will set the drive size and create a file system on it when the module is laoded. |
| 05:05.34 | somiaj | 2) load the module in /etc/modules |
| 05:05.53 | somiaj | 3) then have an entry in fstab, provided the module is loaded and udev does its thing first, it might be possible to do |
| 05:06.38 | somiaj | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Zram#Using_udev -- so it might be possible, but it is giong to require a bit of setup |
| 05:06.47 | somiaj | also you need to adjust for the number of zram devices you want. |
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| 05:09.12 | ozfalcon | Actually, I may just do it via a script. Then I don't have it allocated unless I'm going to use it (Usually just for compiling in). |
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| 05:34.07 | ozfalcon | I'm trying to use zram for an ext2 partition, But I cant seem to get zram to even work......? |
| 05:35.52 | ozfalcon | sudo modprobe zram |
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| 05:36.12 | ozfalcon | works ok and there is now /sys/block/zram0 |
| 05:36.31 | ozfalcon | but sudo echo 1048576 >/sys/block/zram0/disksize |
| 05:36.49 | ozfalcon | fails with bash: /sys/block/zram0/disksize: Permission denied |
| 05:36.55 | ozfalcon | wtf |
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| 05:37.45 | jpw | you can't use sudo and > in combination |
| 05:38.06 | jpw | the redirection will work as your current user not using the elevated permissions |
| 05:38.25 | ozfalcon | oh then in brackets? |
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| 05:38.34 | jpw | use "echo 1048576 | sudo tee /sys/block/zram0/disksize" |
| 05:39.50 | ozfalcon | ok will try that |
| 05:40.42 | ozfalcon | ok that works. Didn't know about tee before either. |
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| 05:43.17 | ozfalcon | ok, I have created a ext2 filesystem - But it doesn't show in my filemanager (nemo). |
| 05:43.19 | ozfalcon | hmmm |
| 05:43.48 | jpw | can't help with that unfortunately |
| 05:45.49 | jpw | also, any particular reason you are using ext2? |
| 05:46.08 | jpw | i would encourage you to use something more modern |
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| 05:47.02 | ozfalcon | Simply because it's not a journal file system. |
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| 05:47.50 | jpw | you can turn journaling off on ext4. |
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| 05:49.04 | ozfalcon | yes, I read that. But I just wanted to get them zram disk working to start with. |
| 05:49.21 | jpw | fair enough |
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| 05:50.31 | ozfalcon | Gota go for a while. Will be back at & asking probably more Q's it later |
| 05:50.47 | ozfalcon | Thanks for your help sofar. |
| 05:50.52 | jpw | np :) |
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| 05:58.06 | rant | is there a way in software to change the colors a printer actually uses? I got an hp printer here that has 4 seperate ink cartridges and isnt printing black.. seems the printhead needs replaced, I'd ideally for the time being until that gets fixed either make it print say dark blue or composite all 3 colors to make black or something |
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| 06:00.40 | somiaj | there might be, but you may have to go get into the details of a .ppt or whatever the print files that cups uses are to confuse it |
| 06:00.59 | somiaj | Might be easier to just export the document to html, and make the text blue |
| 06:01.18 | rant | yeah easier for you or me.. we know wth we're doing :P |
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| 06:02.12 | somiaj | but I don't think there is any easy way to do that, though I am hesitant to say it is not possible, but finding the documentation to do that might be hard, you may ahve to become a cups expert first. |
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| 06:02.40 | rant | I did manage to get it to print black again dripping water into the black head and cartridge but its all messed up.. I think the head is more than just clogged, seems damaged |
| 06:03.18 | rant | it seems odd cause when I told HPLIP to print a test page from stretch, it printed the grey gradient fine |
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| 06:03.30 | rant | yet it printed none of the text |
| 06:03.38 | somiaj | As an aside, I wouldn't fix the inkjet printer, get a laser printer, they are cheap enough these days. The brother I have is wirless, you can get toner caterages that print 500+ pages on amazone for about $15, and the thing only cost like $60 (doesn't do color though, but unless you drop the dough I don't think it is worht doing color) |
| 06:04.03 | rant | we'd have to save up to be broke around here.. $15 would get a new print head :P |
| 06:04.33 | somiaj | yea, I just got tired of print caterages that cost as much as a printer. You could get a whole new printer for $20-25 |
| 06:04.46 | rant | I do like laser better myself cause I dont print often and inkjets are a waste cause they need to be used frequently |
| 06:05.15 | rant | I used to have an HP LaserJet 4si but gave it away cause I got tired of lugging the beast around and servicing it |
| 06:05.46 | jpw | somiaj: that's usually because the cart's that come with new printers are only partially full. |
| 06:05.58 | somiaj | Yea, I was happy when we switched, so much less hassle, and saves money in the long run, but yea, if money is tight, it would be nice to try to do it cheaply, have you tried to take it apart and clean the jets? |
| 06:06.39 | rant | I haven't taken it apart yet.. its gonna be a bit of an ordeal.. its an all in one printer and seems to use hex screws |
| 06:07.15 | rant | HP OfficeJet 4620 |
| 06:07.34 | rant | I been just using a wet paper towel and squeezing it to drip water down into the head |
| 06:07.40 | rant | that got it printing a little bit |
| 06:07.54 | somiaj | maybe a hair dryer to heat it up a bit too? |
| 06:08.14 | somiaj | though I guess if ink is dry and clogged, heat might not do much |
| 06:08.38 | rant | its used frequently.. its my fathers and he does corier work and prints out paperwork regularly |
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| 06:09.46 | rant | so idk how the ink would just dry up like that.. thats something I see more often with my use.. cause I am lucky if I print 6 times a year |
| 06:10.48 | rant | thats one of the real good things about a laser printer you can let it sit around for years then just send it a print job and I'll print fine |
| 06:11.06 | rant | an ink jet you can't really let sit even a couple weeks without using it |
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| 06:11.49 | m4ch1n3znc | also stupid ink cardrides are expensiver then the printer |
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| 06:12.37 | EdePopede | lamps as giveaways and MMF with the oil |
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| 06:13.11 | rant | yeah well I doubt my father pays for the ink :P |
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| 06:14.12 | rant | I think he's becoming a kleptomaniac.. stole a salt shaker from long john silvers when we were there yesterday |
| 06:14.56 | rant | and if you seen the spice rack in his kitchen, he def didnt need any salt |
| 06:14.59 | somiaj | becareful, he might need a kindney and your probably compadable... |
| 06:15.18 | rant | I got two brothers |
| 06:15.34 | EdePopede | oh, that's the reason why i stopped using my deskjet one day. empty cartridge, ok. but dry ink? nope. i remember it was a bit of a mess with the drivers back then, there were 3 or so, none supporting all of the features. what's the situation nowadays? |
| 06:16.09 | rant | pretty much anything HP just works (tm) cause they release linux software that makes it so |
| 06:16.31 | rant | HPLIP is included in debian, its an all in one hp printer/scanner driver and toolkit |
| 06:17.03 | EdePopede | oh. nice. also color? not that i plan to use it, that pseudo black is just horrible. |
| 06:17.12 | somiaj | It can be a pain to track down the right .ppt (.ppd?) whatever file, but once you do that most things just work. |
| 06:17.44 | somiaj | sometimes the generic ones work just fine (easy case) others you have to go get it from the manufacture which can be a bit of a pain |
| 06:17.57 | rant | I have 3 HP printers here and I do nothing but open HPLIP toolbox, hit the green + icon and select the connection method, usb, network, etc, and it auto detects everything |
| 06:18.00 | somiaj | (since they don't just give you the .ppd file but often binaries and stuff with it) |
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| 06:18.31 | rant | I've probably used half a dozen or so different hp printers with HPLIP and had no issues printing or scanning |
| 06:18.33 | somiaj | Yea, with hp I have good luck, often times the generic ones work too (what I often use over the hp ones) |
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| 06:18.56 | rant | now the faxing.. I'm not so sure that works.. |
| 06:19.03 | agris | hello, I'ved followed the instructions exactly at https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge but when i try to start lxc-net i get |
| 06:19.11 | agris | [....] Starting LXC network bridge: :/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-net: 1: /etc/default/lxc-net: USE_LXC_BRIDGE: not found |
| 06:19.12 | rant | I tried faxing over wifi with hplip and I dont think it went through |
| 06:19.24 | agris | as well as a bunch of other gibberish |
| 06:20.32 | somiaj | agris: are you using the bridge they call lxcbr0? |
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| 06:20.52 | agris | somiaj, yes, I put lxcbr0 in there |
| 06:21.14 | somiaj | agris: I mean have you configured your network (/etc/network/interfaces) and have the bridge up, you sould see it in 'ip a' |
| 06:21.46 | agris | yes, the bridge is up |
| 06:21.57 | somiaj | I also note that one of the examples calls the bridge br0 not lxcbr0 |
| 06:22.18 | agris | isnt that for bridging to a physical port, not using lxc-net |
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| 06:23.23 | somiaj | from my understanding, lxc-net needs a bridge to bind too, so you need to setup a bridge |
| 06:23.41 | somiaj | I don't think it matters if you call it lxcbr0 or br0, but you need to be consistant in the naming. |
| 06:24.16 | somiaj | but maybe I'm missunderstanding and just went into the next section. |
| 06:24.18 | agris | somiaj, I need to setip lxcbr0 manually in /etc/network/interfaces? I thought it was supposed to do that automaticly |
| 06:24.39 | somiaj | yea, nevermind me, I didn't realize I went into a second method in the wiki |
| 06:25.39 | somiaj | yea, if you are following the wiki, you might want to next paste the error(s) into google, see if that helps give you some clue |
| 06:26.03 | agris | somiaj, I already tried that |
| 06:26.07 | somiaj | maybe someone with lxc expereince (I've only used an actual bridge via libvirt/kvm) can help better than I can. You could also look for an lxc channel which may have more experience. |
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| 06:30.58 | somiaj | agris: hmm, found somewhere that you might actually need to add some lines to /etc/network/interfaces. Did you add the block about lxcbr0 to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:31.52 | agris | no |
| 06:32.58 | agris | just the server's own static v4 and v6 on eth0 |
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| 06:33.33 | somiaj | So your goal is just to get up theindependent bridge which uses masquerading? |
| 06:33.43 | somiaj | seems I keep getting other hits in google |
| 06:33.49 | agris | for right now yes |
| 06:33.59 | agris | then add public ipv6 later |
| 06:34.07 | agris | really? where |
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| 06:34.53 | SpacePenguin | agris: how did you install lxc? |
| 06:35.01 | somiaj | anyways, did you set up various things in /etc/lxc/default.conf |
| 06:35.04 | agris | apt install lxc |
| 06:35.06 | somiaj | https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/lxc-setup-on-debian-stretch/ |
| 06:35.29 | somiaj | it seems to suggest you need to set up some lxc.network.type = veth, lxc.network.link = lxcbr0, etc |
| 06:35.37 | SpacePenguin | i would suggest you use the new LXD instead |
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| 06:36.11 | somiaj | anyways best of luck, sounds like someone here actually knows what they are talking about. (: |
| 06:36.27 | agris | so in /etc/lxc/default i have type=veth, link=lxcbr0, flags=up, and hwaddr-00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx |
| 06:36.41 | agris | SpacePenguin, LXD? |
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| 06:37.18 | SpacePenguin | https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/introduction/ |
| 06:37.30 | SpacePenguin | https://stgraber.org/2016/03/11/lxd-2-0-blog-post-series-012/ |
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| 06:37.39 | SpacePenguin | https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/the-lxd-tutorials-of-simos/1228 |
| 06:37.48 | SpacePenguin | https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/ |
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| 06:38.28 | SpacePenguin | https://gist.github.com/kimus/9315140 |
| 06:38.58 | SpacePenguin | You should have enough info in those links to get you going |
| 06:38.59 | agris | SpacePenguin, Debian doesn't support LXD |
| 06:39.11 | SpacePenguin | install it using snap |
| 06:39.23 | agris | https://wiki.debian.org/LXD |
| 06:39.34 | SpacePenguin | apt install snapd |
| 06:39.37 | SpacePenguin | then |
| 06:39.42 | SpacePenguin | snap install lxd |
| 06:39.51 | SpacePenguin | reboot |
| 06:40.04 | agris | Why do I need a daemon for a package manager, and why would I install a second package manager atop of APT? |
| 06:40.05 | SpacePenguin | then configure lxd with |
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| 06:40.13 | SpacePenguin | lxd init |
| 06:41.04 | SpacePenguin | the guys behind lxd are the same that made lxc |
| 06:41.25 | SpacePenguin | they recommend using the snap package |
| 06:41.54 | agris | I"m sorry, I'm not interested in running experimental or unsupported software |
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| 06:42.13 | SpacePenguin | it's stable software... |
| 06:42.18 | agris | I also have an existing LXC infrastructure and containers I want to import into this new host |
| 06:42.37 | agris | maybe when Debian supports it |
| 06:45.04 | agris | I also have a strong distrust of Conical software |
| 06:45.20 | SpacePenguin | ah.. |
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| 06:45.53 | SpacePenguin | it is free software so.. |
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| 06:46.22 | agris | Since they started including spyware in their software, and have been unable to produce a stable operating system for a while new, constantly swapping components in and out. sysv, upstart, systemd, xorg, wayland, gnome2, unity, gnome3 |
| 06:46.53 | ayekat | it's also "upstream packaged" - some people prefer distro maintainers/packagers sitting between upstream and your machine :-) |
| 06:46.58 | agris | I'm really just trying to get LXC working on stable |
| 06:47.31 | agris | if anything i'm probably going to upgrade to FreeBSD jails and ZFS subvolumes in the future, but that's not for a while |
| 06:47.37 | SpacePenguin | judge lxd by it's own merit, but anyway I was just trying to help |
| 06:47.40 | SpacePenguin | gl |
| 06:47.48 | agris | thank you for your help SpacePenguin |
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| 06:51.37 | agris | I'm beginning to wonder if the documentation may not be correct for debian stable |
| 06:52.16 | agris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:54.50 | ayekat | the information seems to be in line with other information found around the web, though |
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| 06:55.15 | agris | could putting spaces before and after = break it? |
| 06:56.16 | agris | hmm |
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| 06:56.22 | agris | that may have been it |
| 06:56.38 | agris | the config file isn't space and tab tolerant |
| 06:56.59 | ayekat | that's very likely (it looks like shell syntax, after all) :-) |
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| 06:57.46 | agris | fooey, and least starting and stopping lxc-net no longer spits out garbage, but containers still not grabbing ips |
| 06:57.52 | agris | maybe a reboot |
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| 06:58.50 | agris | is that what's being used here? shell scripts? |
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| 07:01.45 | agris | hmm |
| 07:01.46 | agris | ok |
| 07:01.49 | agris | so this is strange |
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| 07:02.31 | agris | so lxc-net is trying to start before netfilter starts |
| 07:02.43 | agris | and therefor things break |
| 07:03.11 | agris | I can attach into a container, manually run dhclient and thigns work |
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| 07:09.53 | altker128 | agris: lxc networking can be a bit tricky to setup |
| 07:10.02 | agris | yeah |
| 07:10.17 | altker128 | Here's what I do |
| 07:10.22 | agris | I think it's more of a bug in the init system though |
| 07:10.28 | altker128 | 1. Edit /etc/default/lxc-net to have |
| 07:10.30 | altker128 | USE_LXC_BRIDGE="true" |
| 07:10.45 | agris | altker128, go on |
| 07:10.50 | altker128 | 2. Edit /etc/lxc/default.conf |
| 07:10.51 | altker128 | lxc.network.type = veth |
| 07:10.53 | altker128 | lxc.network.link = lxcbr0 |
| 07:10.54 | altker128 | lxc.network.flags = up |
| 07:10.56 | altker128 | lxc.network.hwaddr = 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx |
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| 07:11.41 | altker128 | agris: Edit 3. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-net ; comment out anything with LXC_BRIDGE, net, IPV6, etc |
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| 07:18.32 | ozfalcon | How do I mount with public read write access. It's always owned by root.....? |
| 07:20.09 | ozfalcon | (I'm tring to mount a zram disk ext2 partitiion as general read write) |
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| 07:22.03 | blackflow | ozfalcon: umask=000 in mount/fstab options, or just chmod after mounting |
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| 07:25.40 | ozfalcon | -o umask=000 gives me an error. |
| 07:26.13 | ozfalcon | is this correct? sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/zram0 /media/zram |
| 07:26.30 | blackflow | ozfalcon: what error? |
| 07:26.44 | ozfalcon | mount: /media/zram: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/zram0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. |
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| 07:27.26 | blackflow | ozfalcon: oh my bad, yes, umask is not a global option but fs specific.... you'll have to chmod after mounting I suppose. |
| 07:29.53 | ozfalcon | ok that will do |
| 07:30.09 | ozfalcon | chmod 777 /media/zram |
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| 07:31.38 | ozfalcon | One more thing, Once I have mounted it - It shows as "Volume" in my file manager. How do I label the partition? |
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| 07:32.22 | blackflow | ozfalcon: you can label the filesystem, with e2label for ext2 |
| 07:34.47 | ozfalcon | Doesn't want to display the label name. It's just called "Volume" when I mount it. |
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| 07:35.21 | ozfalcon | Also tried label when creating the filesystem and same problem. |
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| 07:41.44 | blackflow | ozfalcon: sounds like something specific to the file manager you're using |
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| 07:47.11 | ozfalcon | Shows the same in Thunar & Nemo. Strange |
| 07:48.35 | ozfalcon | e2label definatly shows "zramdisk" as the label. But not the file managers. |
| 07:52.19 | blackflow | ozfalcon: maybe the managers are caching something. or if there's gvfs involved. try unmount, destroy and recreate the block device and fs, label it _before_ you first touch it with a file manager |
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| 11:45.40 | dmr | hello |
| 11:46.08 | dmr | someone uses buster rc on a daily basis? |
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| 12:02.28 | dmr | blackflow, any issues til now? anything that is not working properly? |
| 12:03.31 | blackflow | dmr: nope, none so far |
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| 12:05.24 | dmr | blackflow, thanks |
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| 12:06.50 | nevivurn | Hi, I'm trying to write something that checks if the executing user has sudo privileges using sudo -v. I'd also like to not prompt the user for a password in the case they do have sudo privileges. Any recommendations? |
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| 12:07.48 | nevivurn | I tried something like sudo -v </dev/null, but it prompts the user all the same. |
| 12:10.56 | blackflow | nevivurn: how about -n ? |
| 12:11.25 | blackflow | then again keep in mind that "sudo privilege" is not really a boolean (on/off) thing. various rules can allow various modes of using sudo, for a user. |
| 12:12.14 | nevivurn | Oh, I was messing around with -A and SUDO_ASKPASS, but that seems much better thanks. |
| 12:13.16 | nevivurn | Yeah, but it's mostly for informational purposes when I log into systems just to remind me whether I have root access on that particular server or not, so a few false positives should be fine. |
| 12:17.03 | blackflow | "root access" is equally vague, as you always have it. |
| 12:17.22 | blackflow | perhaps you should test against particular privileged operations you want to achieve? |
| 12:19.49 | jezebel | fwiw, if you're in a root shell (i.e. your EUID == 0), the bash prompt will show # instead of $ if you have \$ in PS1 |
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| 12:48.38 | Haxxa | In Debian 10 I can't seem to add a user with the same name as a group. |
| 12:48.44 | Haxxa | root@Traccar:~# adduser traccar |
| 12:48.46 | Haxxa | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.31 | JPT | useradd might be capable to do that |
| 12:49.47 | JPT | adduser creates a group with the same name for the new user |
| 12:50.02 | JPT | (unless i mixed these two up again, in that case it's the other way around) |
| 12:50.04 | Haxxa | JPT ah I see |
| 12:50.30 | Haxxa | JPT nah your right thanks |
| 12:50.38 | Haxxa | should give better error msg imo |
| 12:50.41 | JPT | You're welcome |
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| 13:55.43 | nine_ | hi |
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| 14:25.36 | Muyfret | i want to change my /etc/login.defs to have a more strict umask |
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| 14:26.19 | Muyfret | i'd like to try 027. does this mean i chmod 640 |
| 14:26.25 | Muyfret | and all will be fine? |
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| 14:28.35 | Muyfret | im' not really a server. but i dont' have multiple other user accounts |
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| 14:38.55 | Muyfret | welp i chmodded my cups too |
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| 15:25.10 | elm_ | I have a problem with libreoffice: the spellchecker does not work for en-gb |
| 15:25.25 | elm_ | This even though I have installed libreoffice-l10n-en-gb |
| 15:26.37 | velix | What's the normal "sh" in Debian? Is it dash? |
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| 15:26.53 | elm_ | no it should be bash |
| 15:26.53 | velix | yes, it is |
| 15:27.02 | elm_ | really? |
| 15:27.02 | velix | elm_: man sh => dash |
| 15:27.13 | nkuttler | sh points to dash |
| 15:27.16 | nkuttler | !dash |
| 15:27.16 | dpkg | dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). dash is the default /bin/sh since the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release. To check if your existing scripts will work with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 15:27.45 | velix | okay, now I need to figure out, how to do cut -d $'\t' in Dash ;) |
| 15:28.01 | annadane | i've gotten bash by default but that's after installing standard system utilities, so... |
| 15:28.09 | annadane | default shell, not default sh |
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| 15:28.39 | nkuttler | velix: or just run your script with bash.. |
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| 15:29.24 | velix | nkuttler: Actually, I want to be portable to FreeBSD. Switching the script to bash would fix the problem for sure. |
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| 15:30.20 | Muyfret | how do i get all the packages i've installed in one debian system and reinstall them but in another? |
| 15:30.41 | BCMM | velix: cut isn't a shell built-in, at least on dash and bash |
| 15:30.52 | Voldenet | Muyfret: apt list âinstalled |
| 15:30.54 | Voldenet | erm |
| 15:30.59 | Voldenet | apt list --installed |
| 15:31.07 | nkuttler | BCMM: seems more about passing \t |
| 15:31.13 | BCMM | oh right, sorry |
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| 15:31.58 | BCMM | velix: also, bash isn't in the default install of freebsd. a *lot* of users have installed it for the comfort of people who are familiar with it, but it's not mandatory |
| 15:32.06 | nkuttler | velix: fwiw, cut -d\<tab> works |
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| 15:32.59 | velix | nkuttler: bad for scripting... bash wants "cut -d $'\t'" |
| 15:33.09 | Muyfret | is worth upgrading the linux kernel away from Linux 4.9.0-8-amd64? |
| 15:33.25 | BCMM | but dash doesn't do very much much beyond being posix-compliant, so a script written for dash generally ought to just work the same on bsd's sh |
| 15:33.32 | nkuttler | velix: works fine in bash too |
| 15:33.47 | velix | nkuttler: wait, you mean "tab" as real keypress? |
| 15:33.49 | BCMM | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 15:33.50 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u5; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105 |
| 15:33.52 | nkuttler | velix: yes |
| 15:33.59 | Voldenet | Muyfret: oh, and if you want to install /exactly/ the same packages, but only those installed manually, then `apt-mark showmanual` will do the job |
| 15:34.00 | velix | nkuttler: nah, I don't want this in scripts, sorrry. But thanks :D |
| 15:34.01 | BCMM | Muyfret: if you don't have any problems, just stick with the kernel Debian gives you |
| 15:34.21 | Voldenet | there might be some differences if you install stuff on different versions of repo |
| 15:34.23 | nkuttler | velix: doesn't matter where it runs.. it just works.. |
| 15:34.31 | somiaj | Muyfret: Does all your hardware work with the 4.9.0 kernel? |
| 15:34.45 | BCMM | Muyfret: you can get a newer kernel from backports if you want, and it's useful if, for example, your graphics card isn't supported on the stable kernel |
| 15:34.55 | velix | nkuttler: I can't even enter <tab> via putty ;) |
| 15:34.55 | somiaj | Muyfret: though you should update to the 4.9.0-9-amd64 kernel so you get all recent security fixes. |
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| 15:35.09 | nkuttler | velix: get a better terminal |
| 15:35.16 | Muyfret | oh my |
| 15:35.56 | somiaj | Muyfret: in general you want to stick with the stock kernel in your debian release to ensure you get security fixes, and provided you don't have hardware that needs a newer kernel, there is often little reason to upgrade it (besides keep up with the security patches on the 4.9 kernel) |
| 15:36.02 | BCMM | Muyfret: but sticking with debian's default kernel is basically the more supported option, so i'd do that if everything is working |
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| 15:39.21 | Muyfret | i think i mistakenly purged that 4.9.0.9 kernel |
| 15:39.26 | Muyfret | how to add back? |
| 15:40.20 | somiaj | Muyfret: install the linux-image-amd64 metapackage, this will keep you on the current kernel |
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| 15:43.04 | Muyfret | ok brb |
| 15:44.07 | velix | nkuttler: Also doesn't work: sh -c "printf 'a\tb' | cut -s -d `echo -e '\x09'` -f 2" |
| 15:44.45 | nkuttler | velix: ask the channel |
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| 15:45.01 | velix | nkuttler: dash? linux? |
| 15:45.05 | velix | nkuttler: maybe #linux is better. Thanks |
| 15:46.33 | somiaj | velix: what is your goal with this script? Why not jsut use bash? #!/bin/bash at the top |
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| 15:46.47 | velix | somiaj: Okay, let me start at the beginning. Let me type. |
| 15:47.39 | somiaj | There is no requirment you have to make scripts compadabile with dash, just that on debian #!/bin/sh points to dash |
| 15:48.25 | velix | somiaj: A friend of mine is working on FreeBSD. I don't know, which shell he's using and I cannot ask him, since he's sleeping for about 12 hours. Rewriting the script to bash isn't a problem and it would sove all problems. But I want to make it portable, since I don't know, how many shells FreeBSD comes with. At lest, Debian comes with two. So it wanted to make it portable somehow, taht I don't have to care about the shell. EVERY works, but cut with |
| 15:48.25 | velix | delimiter tab. So switchting to Bash isn't really needed. |
| 15:48.48 | velix | s/(EVERY)\1THING/ |
| 15:49.27 | annadane | i think freebsd uses dash by default |
| 15:49.32 | annadane | or, no, sorry i don't remember |
| 15:49.58 | velix | I think, the only portable solution is nkuttlers <tab> keypress. |
| 15:50.25 | somiaj | I think freebsd usually has bash installed, but csh or zsh I think are quite common and maybe zsh is default |
| 15:50.30 | somiaj | you could ask #freebsd on that. |
| 15:50.55 | somiaj | But if you aren't sure what shells, then yes, making it dash compadiable should be close enough, in general you should make it POSIX compadable |
| 15:51.22 | velix | somiaj: Really, I always would to bash. Actually, I'm always doing bash ;) |
| 15:51.32 | velix | somiaj: but only this time, I want to go portable. Okay, let me ask in #freebsd |
| 15:52.05 | somiaj | I'm not positive on the freebsd front, but it seems many freebsd users I know are not using bash |
| 15:52.32 | somiaj | though I think both zsh and csh are more feature rich than dash, but portability POSIX is what you want to aim for, since all shells *should* support that standard |
| 15:53.02 | somiaj | debian uses dash for the system because it is just must faster and a lot of bash features are not needed for scripts run in non-interactive shells |
| 15:53.20 | velix | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh wait |
| 15:53.28 | velix | seems like tab is default ;) |
| 15:53.59 | velix | YES :D |
| 15:54.11 | velix | So I can make it portable just be leaving out the delimiter :D |
| 15:55.33 | annadane | "Linux® users are often surprised to find that Bash is not the default shell in FreeBSD. In fact, Bash is not included in the default installation. Instead, FreeBSD uses tcsh(1) as the default root shell, and the Bourne shell-compatible sh(1) as the default user shell." |
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| 15:57.49 | Habbie | annadane, freebsd's sh and debian's dash are pretty similar though |
| 15:58.02 | han-solo | bash should be everywhere |
| 15:58.05 | somiaj | ahh it is tcsh, yea I was fairly sure it wasn't bash, but forgot what it was |
| 15:58.14 | Habbie | han-solo, well, it's not :) |
| 15:58.15 | somiaj | many like bash, but many despise it |
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| 15:58.21 | han-solo | Habbie: Yeah, :) |
| 15:58.26 | Habbie | for portable shell scripting i prefer perl or python |
| 15:58.34 | Habbie | sed and awk are hard to use portably too |
| 15:59.21 | han-solo | in fact, bash and python should be preinstalled on all linux distributions :) |
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| 16:00.42 | somiaj | but freebsd is not linux, tough bash has been and is farily standard in the linux world. Those who don't use it (which I know many) have to install/change their default shell |
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| 16:07.14 | Habbie | han-solo, yet there are many that don't even do that |
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| 16:09.29 | velix | Oh no... he's also using cut -d '|' :( |
| 16:09.43 | velix | That's why I like monopols. |
| 16:09.48 | velix | bash for all! |
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| 16:13.17 | nkuttler | velix: it's the same... \| |
| 16:13.51 | velix | nkuttler: It doesn't need escaping, just tried on bash and dash. -d '|' works. |
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| 16:24.29 | Henry151 | hi folks |
| 16:24.59 | Henry151 | i'm trying to install hplip-3.19.6 to get support for a printer not supported by 3.16.11 |
| 16:25.37 | Henry151 | i'm getting A required dependency 'pyqt4-dbus (PyQt 4 DBus - DBus Support for PyQt4)' is still missing -- even though I have already installed python-qt4 and python-qt4-dbus |
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| 16:26.39 | jmcnaught | ,v hplip |
| 16:26.40 | judd | Package: hplip on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; stretch-backports: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; sid: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; experimental: 3.19.1+dfsg0-1 |
| 16:27.04 | jmcnaught | Henry151: did you try 3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1 from stretch-backports? |
| 16:27.15 | somiaj | Henry151: where did you get this 3.19.6 package? |
| 16:27.32 | Henry151 | jmcnaught: no somiaj: from the sourceforge page for hplip |
| 16:27.57 | somiaj | so you are trying to build it from source? |
| 16:28.21 | Henry151 | i downloaded the tar.gz file and extracted it somewhere and ran the "hplip-install" file |
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| 16:29.14 | somiaj | try doing 'apt build-dep hplip' to get all the build dependencies, that is probably what you are missing |
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| 16:30.02 | Henry151 | thanks somiaj |
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| 16:31.34 | Primer | jmcnaught's suggestion is better |
| 16:31.44 | Henry151 | that "apt build-dep" command is cool, never seen it before.. unfortunately i am still getting the same error on running hplip-install ... maybe I should try jmcnaught's suggestion |
| 16:32.03 | Henry151 | can somebody remind me how i do that? enable stretch-backports in my sources.list somehow, right? |
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| 16:32.09 | c4pt | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.apache.cordova.evapecalc |
| 16:32.11 | Primer | Henry151: exactly that |
| 16:32.59 | Henry151 | a line like "http:/ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib non-free" or so? |
| 16:33.25 | Henry151 | i haven't really installed any backports before except once a long time ago |
| 16:33.26 | Primer | Henry151: yes, take the lines you already have for stretch, copy then, and add -backports to stretch (pretty much) |
| 16:33.44 | LtL | Henry151: its very easy, https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 16:34.03 | Henry151 | ok. Then i have to run a different apt install command with a .... -T ? to tell it to pull the backport version, right? oh thanks LtL i'll just read there. |
| 16:34.16 | Primer | no, just apt update and apt install hplip |
| 16:34.21 | Primer | you should get the one from backports |
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| 16:34.23 | Henry151 | oh great, easy |
| 16:34.25 | Henry151 | thank you |
| 16:34.43 | LtL | Henry151: yes you need to specify -t stretch-backports for any package to backports |
| 16:35.21 | somiaj | Primer: though they said 4.18 won't support it |
| 16:35.41 | somiaj | oh wait, they said they haven't tried, not that it won't support it |
| 16:36.34 | Primer | hrmm, I don't recall having to specify -t to isntall packages from backports, once the repo was added to sources |
| 16:36.46 | somiaj | you have to |
| 16:37.06 | LtL | Primer: you absolutely must specify it |
| 16:37.15 | somiaj | otherwise one would upgrade to stretch-backports packages automatically with apt upgrade, which would cause all sorts of problems. One should only install packages from backports they explicity specificy |
| 16:37.30 | Henry151 | got it |
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| 16:39.05 | Henry151 | thanks guys i am now seeing my printer :) you rock |
| 16:39.09 | LtL | example using apt or apt-get, apt-get -t stretch-backports install "package" |
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| 16:39.29 | Primer | Ok, I see now. I followed a guide for zfs root which had me pin the zfs pacakges to backports before installing |
| 16:39.32 | somiaj | Henry151: if you run into cases where you need newer softare, looking in stretch-backports is nice, but stick to the offical stretch packages if at all possible. |
| 16:39.50 | Primer | So when it came time to install them, -t was not used |
| 16:39.53 | somiaj | Primer: that shouldn't be needed, once it is installed, it will autmoatically get upgrades from stretch-backports |
| 16:40.06 | Primer | somiaj: No, just saying this is the source of my confusion |
| 16:40.23 | somiaj | yea, I was just poitning out for future use, that extra step of pinning is unneeded |
| 16:41.34 | Primer | yeah, good to know |
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| 16:42.31 | LtL | /me thinks over use of backports is probably a leading cause of dist-upgrade failures, keep it simple $ |
| 16:43.14 | somiaj | It has, but often it is due to other things besides just backports, though backports are not nicely tested for the upgrade path |
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| 16:45.36 | Primer | I'm trying to get my wifi to resume from suspend. rfkill list doesn't even show it on resume. I have to hit the airplane button twice to get it back. In windows this works fine. Anyone have any thoughts about this? |
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| 16:47.34 | Primer | I've tried using the -34 firmware (the default beint -38), as well as -41 (this flat out doesn't work). I know there are newer firmware files, but these require newer drivers. I'm wondering if anyone is maintaining a separate driver for intel wifi, like a repo with one |
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| 16:48.01 | somiaj | sometimes cerntain wifi cards are problemmatic, have you checked dmesg? |
| 16:48.07 | Primer | all day |
| 16:48.31 | Henry151 | hmm... now that i've succeeded in updating my hplip version, "lpinfo -m" doesn't seem to show the ppd file for my scanjet 7500 anymore, where it did with the old version |
| 16:48.32 | Primer | If I force remove the module and re-insert it, it'll work |
| 16:48.37 | Primer | but that seems awefully ghetto |
| 16:48.44 | somiaj | It use to be (though unsure what is needed now) is you could have your system bring down the wifi, remove the module, before the susupend, then reload the module and bring the wifi backup after the suspend if the hardware is having trouble with resume. |
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| 16:49.19 | LtL | Primer: a 'systemctl restart networking.service' may work, albeit not 'fixing' anything. |
| 16:49.22 | somiaj | there use to be a file you could just list the modules youw anted this done with, and the suspend/resume would do it automatically. with pm-utils it was fairly straight forward, unsure where such a file is now though. |
| 16:49.29 | Primer | LtL: it doesn't |
| 16:49.47 | somiaj | (though restarting the networking.service is kinda strange), ifup/down would be better to use |
| 16:49.50 | Primer | somiaj: ahh this is something I've not explored. Very useful. Thanks! |
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| 16:52.43 | nicholscpg1 | S3xyL1nux ? |
| 16:52.58 | nicholscpg1 | oky great ;P |
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| 16:55.20 | somiaj | Primer: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management#Sleep_hooks -- maybe something like that |
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| 16:55.37 | Primer | somiaj: yup, already in place, testing now |
| 16:55.49 | somiaj | seems you can create a unitfile that works with the sleep.target, so it is run with sleep and then stoped with resume, this way you can just automatically remove/add module as part of the suspend. |
| 16:55.58 | Primer | I actually was pursuing hibernation, which I just tested...and worked...totally surprised! |
| 16:56.15 | dstaring | I have a Raspberry Pi with Raspbian. It's apparently identical to Debian. What is the correct way to do either of these things? 1. Enable auto-maintain mode of the machine, so that I never have to think about or deal with security patching? 2. Check if there are any security updates to anything installed (or the OS itself)? |
| 16:56.16 | somiaj | I just cna't keep up with all the new places to do things |
| 16:56.20 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 16:56.20 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 16:56.25 | somiaj | dstaring: ^^ we dont' support raspbian here |
| 16:57.01 | dstaring | somiaj: Not even when it's identical to Debian? |
| 16:57.08 | somiaj | dstaring: it is not identicial to debian |
| 16:57.14 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 16:57.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:57.22 | dstaring | Sigh... WHY can't two people EVER say the same thing? It's always conflicting answers. |
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| 16:57.54 | dstaring | Debian itself doesn't run on RPIs, I guess? |
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| 16:58.04 | somiaj | raspbian makes changes to debian (at the core level) to make it run on the pi, so you should use their support community |
| 16:58.23 | somiaj | It runs on some, but only certain ones and it takes a bit more work to install |
| 16:58.51 | somiaj | raspbian patches the kernel and does things to make debian run on the pi, as such they are changing things, we just have a standard policy that we are a debian support community |
| 16:59.26 | somiaj | (you might try ##linux, though it would be nice if there was a debian-based-linux generic support channel, no one wants to really deal with all the different based on debian distros and debug things on them) |
| 16:59.41 | dstaring | It's hopeless to get sensible replies there. |
| 16:59.46 | dstaring | They don't read anything I type. |
| 16:59.51 | dstaring | They are like AI robots. |
| 16:59.52 | somiaj | I think you need the more expensive rpi that supports armv7 or something liek that to install the debian arm port on. |
| 17:00.02 | dstaring | My RPI is first-generation. |
| 17:00.17 | somiaj | yea, same with mine, can't run debian on it, I need the raspbian custom patches |
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| 17:04.15 | somiaj | dstaring: anyways look at unattended-upgrades (use google and read the docs for support if raspbian is being quiet), you may also find that searching the forums or mailing lists maybe better ways for support with some communities. |
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| 17:08.15 | Habbie | debian in fact runs on all pis, but it's very slow on the first generation |
| 17:08.34 | Habbie | it does involve some kernel work, yes - for example, taking the kernel from raspbian |
| 17:09.26 | Habbie | somiaj, can you make changes in dpkg? #raspberrypi is a better support channel for raspbian |
| 17:11.25 | somiaj | Habbie: and raspberrypi supports raspbian? Well I don't consider not using a debian stock kernel working on debian, but yea, that is the main thing that one needs to change in my experience. |
| 17:11.31 | somiaj | #raspberrypi I mean |
| 17:11.42 | Habbie | yes, #raspberrypi gets a lot of raspbian questions |
| 17:11.45 | Henry151 | so, is hplip 3.18.12 newer than hplip 3.18.9 ? seems obvious that 12 is bigger than 9 and therefore newer... but i've been wrong before |
| 17:11.49 | Habbie | and in general appears to be more responsive than #raspbian |
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| 17:12.17 | Habbie | in fact, #raspberrypi is where i've seen dstaring ask questions over the last week |
| 17:12.32 | somiaj | dpkg: raspbian =~ s/#raspbian/#raspbian (or #raspberrypi)/ |
| 17:12.33 | dpkg | somiaj: OK |
| 17:12.36 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 17:12.36 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:12.40 | Habbie | Henry151, .12 is newer according to debian numbering rules |
| 17:12.45 | Habbie | somiaj, thanks |
| 17:12.58 | Habbie | the site appears to support https now |
| 17:13.00 | Habbie | while you're at it :) |
| 17:13.05 | Henry151 | http://i.imgur.com/CTr7YlZ.png the hplip page seems to show my model, but the http://i.imgur.com/bYhguC0.png cups "add printer" page seems to not have the ppd file for the model |
| 17:13.19 | somiaj | dpkg: raspbian =~ s/http:/https/ |
| 17:13.20 | dpkg | OK, somiaj |
| 17:13.22 | Habbie | ta |
| 17:13.29 | somiaj | dpkg: raspbian =~ s/https/https:/ |
| 17:13.30 | dpkg | somiaj: OK |
| 17:13.31 | Henry151 | i've tried a number of different approaches here, hp-setup seems to have the same list of models as the cups admin page |
| 17:13.34 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 17:13.35 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:14.36 | Henry151 | if i ever get a raspberry pi i'm going to install regular debian on it instead of raspbian, just so i can get support from this awesome channel :P |
| 17:14.52 | somiaj | Habbie: Though it is probably best we verify with an op of #raspberrypi that we redirect raspbian users there, since i'm unsure if it is an offical raspbian support channel or not. |
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| 17:15.00 | Habbie | somiaj, i am an on in #raspberrypi |
| 17:15.03 | Habbie | oops |
| 17:15.05 | Habbie | somiaj, i am an op in #raspberrypi |
| 17:15.09 | Habbie | somiaj, you can check that with chanserv |
| 17:15.14 | somiaj | ahh well in that case, (: |
| 17:15.17 | Habbie | :) |
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| 17:18.11 | Primer | Sigh, so this is still the official "fix" for this issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1043547/wifi-hard-blocked-after-suspend-in-ubuntu-on-gs65 basically, hit the airplane button twice on resume |
| 17:18.17 | kreyren | seems that blender is broken in debian buster https://pastebin.com/raw/t9cW4yQW |
| 17:18.24 | Primer | Windows can do this, so Linux should be able to do so as well |
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| 17:18.46 | Primer | kreyren: apt update |
| 17:18.55 | austendlu7 | passes austendlu7 a cold HEINâ©EKEN to #mirc |
| 17:19.10 | somiaj | Primer: it might be some issue with the acpi standards in which are not often followed and windows has drivers provided by the manfuactor around this. Also double check your firmware settings, and see what modes/toggles you have for acpi (sometimes there is a non-windows os option) |
| 17:19.16 | austendlu7 | passes austendlu7 a cold HEINâ©EKEN to #mirc |
| 17:19.21 | kreyren | Primer, lol.. seems that my crobjob to update repos hugged up ty |
| 17:19.35 | Primer | kreyren: np |
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| 17:19.58 | somiaj | austendlu7: please turn off that emote here |
| 17:20.03 | Primer | somiaj: yes, everything I'm experiencing points to ACPI. Where are said firmware settings? |
| 17:20.18 | somiaj | Primer: traditionally aclled the bios, or what you hit f2 or something at boot to enter setup |
| 17:20.26 | Primer | I also have an issue with my touchpad...also attributed to ACPI |
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| 17:20.45 | Primer | somiaj: sigh, I was hoping that's was not what you meant |
| 17:20.51 | kreyren | Primer, afaik if it's ACPI issue there is not really much that linux can do assuming it beeing BIOS issue? |
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| 17:21.19 | Primer | but some actual firmware settings in debian, i.e. make _this_ file load, not this other one...my /lib/firmmware has 3 files for iwlwifi, yet only one is ever used |
| 17:21.47 | Primer | kreyren: well, one would also assume that if it works in windows, that whatever is happening is being handled |
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| 17:22.08 | Primer | And that working in Linux would be just a matter of accounting for the same thing |
| 17:22.12 | somiaj | it is more likely the mobos firmware/bios. acpi is another standard that is rarely followed fully, and manufactures just make software for windows to make it work |
| 17:22.16 | kreyren | Primer, if it works in windows it's because your bios is manufactured to work only on windows.. i have simmilar issues on my system |
| 17:22.26 | kreyren | i'm trying to resolve it by using coreboot/libreboot atm |
| 17:22.42 | somiaj | yea, often times manufactures don't make 'fixes' and submit them to the linux kernel to work around their buggy hardware |
| 17:23.02 | Primer | kreyren: What problems, if I may ask? here it's touchpad stops working after a while, comes back some times, and wifi doesn't work on resume |
| 17:23.04 | somiaj | but windows, the standard drivers include all of these fixes. |
| 17:23.22 | Primer | msi gs65 laptop |
| 17:23.23 | rant | Primer: https://termbin.com/u8r0 |
| 17:23.24 | kreyren | not really.. my BIOS is deprecated in 2013 and has issues even on windows.. Asus fuc* you |
| 17:23.27 | somiaj | Primer: I would first double check acpi configuration options, sometimes just toggling these can help linux work. |
| 17:24.04 | somiaj | basically you disable all the special windows only things that conflict with linux, and this helps somethings |
| 17:24.11 | Primer | rant: yup, mine points to -38, but I've forced -34 by replacing the file in /lib/firmware. The driver loaded it, but the problem persisted. |
| 17:24.41 | kreyren | Primer, did you check FOSS alternatives to your BIOS? |
| 17:24.57 | rant | Primer: my point is, the driver covers 764 different pieces of hardware and has over 30 different firmwares |
| 17:25.15 | somiaj | the kernel just tries to pick the best one |
| 17:25.16 | kreyren | based on coreboot's source it seems to be easyish to interpret depending on SuperIO |
| 17:25.29 | Primer | somiaj: I have this in my boot cmdline: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2009" |
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| 17:25.52 | somiaj | maybe changing that can help too, I'm unsure on what those acpi_ options doo |
| 17:26.01 | Primer | kreyren: I only started looking into it today. Not too encouraging. |
| 17:26.29 | Primer | kreyren: unless you could point me to something helpful? |
| 17:26.30 | somiaj | aslo it doesn't sound like a iwlwifi firmware issue, it sounds like a bios/firmware/acpi issue which is requing you hit the airplane mode button (this talks to the firmware not the os) to get it back |
| 17:26.32 | kreyren | Primer, i would suggest you to check coreboot most of it's code can be used to provide alternative bios. |
| 17:27.02 | kreyren | Primer, https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/d476876d29e1fec1db8226dc1b4789a2 this is my current status maybe it helps you |
| 17:27.07 | somiaj | though be careful, my understanding is coreboot doesn't support a lot of hardware, though maybe it changes, or I'm thinking of libreboot which only works on a small subset of laptops. |
| 17:27.12 | Primer | somiaj: I agree. The fact that there exists newer firmware for this driver leads me to believe there is an out-of-tree package out there somewhere I can try |
| 17:27.39 | Primer | But I've yet to find it. Intel's site has 'drivers', but they seem to be old |
| 17:27.44 | somiaj | Primer: it is your mobos firmware that seems to be the problem. Are you running the current firmware as provided by your manufacture? |
| 17:27.55 | Primer | Plus, this is the "killer" version of their hardware... |
| 17:27.56 | kreyren | Primer, also make sure that you have intel-microcode package if it's intel system it has some compatibility tweaks for ACPI |
| 17:27.57 | somiaj | I don't think userland firmware is going ot help here in any way |
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| 17:28.13 | Primer | somiaj: yeah, latest BIOS, dated like 1 month ago even |
| 17:28.13 | kreyren | simmilar for AMD but i didn't test them |
| 17:28.14 | somiaj | (though that is going to be cpu not mobo) |
| 17:28.21 | somiaj | but still recommended |
| 17:28.40 | kreyren | Primer, if BIOS is beeing maintained you can possibly ask the manifacturer to fix these issues |
| 17:29.05 | Primer | hahaha that'd imply that I understand the issues |
| 17:29.15 | Primer | I just know it's broken and want it fixed |
| 17:29.56 | Primer | I remember having a wifi card that wasn't supported in the kernel tree, so I had to download an out of tree driver, and make it |
| 17:30.06 | Primer | Basicallty dkms, but manual |
| 17:30.30 | somiaj | Yea, but here it isn't that the wifi card isn't supported, it is that it puts it into some deep sleep as part of the suspend |
| 17:30.30 | kreyren | some manufacturers are linux friendly and willing to fix these issues like dell from what i was told |
| 17:30.33 | kreyren | give it a try |
| 17:30.56 | somiaj | and you have to manually tell the firmware to bring it back (hitting the airplane mode button, which goes directly to the mobos firmware, and not the os), so it isn't the os not bring it back, its the mobos firwmare |
| 17:31.30 | Primer | somiaj: I'm going on the fact that newer firmware exists for this card, and the driver needs to support said updated firmware. I presume the driver that does with the -43 firmware (which I've seen) exists. |
| 17:31.33 | somiaj | which is quite common these days, often those fn+special buttons are intruptied by the firmware on the machine, not the os |
| 17:31.59 | Primer | that makes no sense in the context that it works on windows |
| 17:32.15 | Primer | I'm not hitting any buttons there. It just comes back on when I lift the lid |
| 17:32.20 | somiaj | Primer: and you have the current firmware and kernel from stretch-backports -- again I don't think it has anything to do with the wifi card/firmware. And the reason it isn't working in linux, is linux doesn't send the correct wake signal tot he firmware for it to bring the wifi out of sleep |
| 17:32.28 | Primer | somiaj: no, I'm on testing |
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| 17:32.55 | somiaj | again, manufactures go though lots of extra work to ensure things work on windows, this doesn't always carry over to working on linux, unless users report problems. |
| 17:33.11 | somiaj | but still go look at the firmware settings in your machiens setup, see if there are things you can toggle. |
| 17:33.21 | Primer | There's really not much to see there |
| 17:33.30 | Primer | Unless you can think of something specific |
| 17:34.09 | somiaj | it totally depends on the firmware and what is avaialbe, The other options is see if there are various other acpi_foo options you can send the kernel that could help acpi work better with your laptop. |
| 17:34.30 | Primer | I don't profess to know how this crap works, but I'd imagine an updated driver with updated firmware might just do the things you're talking about, i.e. talk to the mobo firmware properly |
| 17:34.44 | Primer | Which is why I want to pursue loading an updated driver + firmware |
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| 17:35.18 | Primer | somiaj: presumably, the options I pasted to you earlier are exactly that. I've seen no other combination of acpi options provided to address this issue |
| 17:35.26 | somiaj | I don't think it is the wifi driver, I think it is the kernel resume from hibernate causing the issue, hence looking at acpi_foo options vs the intel iwlwifi firmawre. The card is working just fine, the mobo is just not bring it back up after supsend until you manually tell it to. |
| 17:35.43 | somiaj | there are more such options, you may have to look into other options |
| 17:36.10 | Primer | I realize there are more options. I think that people would have figured this out by now and reported options that work, but I'll keep looking. thanks |
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| 17:36.44 | somiaj | each laptop/mobo is different, because acpi implications are often buggy |
| 17:36.44 | Primer | this particular model is the 2019 model though, i9, 9880 CPU, nvidia 2070, quite modern |
| 17:36.58 | somiaj | yea, might be once the newer 5.x kernels come in the problem gets fixed too |
| 17:37.32 | Primer | the touchpad issue is actually my main issue, but I perceive that as harder to fix, so I'm leaving that for last |
| 17:37.51 | Primer | There libinput-debug simply stops reporting gestures |
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| 17:38.02 | Primer | then magically starts out of the blue...stops...starts... |
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| 18:55.03 | Harm133 | Hi guys, I'm trying to work with a timed systemd service but am getting unexpected behavior. I want a script to run every 10 seconds but its running at seemingly 10 - 20 seconds. Pastebin of service/timer files and script : https://pastebin.com/zC9JS5gG |
| 18:56.33 | Habbie | AccuracySec= |
| 18:56.35 | Habbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.37 | Habbie | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.timer.html |
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| 18:59.04 | Harm133 | Habbie That seems to be it :) ! Tyvm! |
| 19:02.39 | Habbie | Harm133, np! |
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| 19:28.24 | Suzanita98 | Hello. I am going to start my Live show in a few minutes. I have 2 free vip invitations left (normally $14.99/30 minutes). Enter now if you are interested and write in the chat "Free Invite" ---> http://short.agda.com.br/565699 |
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| 19:56.18 | trackanddirt | At this point for those of you running NVMe M.2s, do you RAID1 boot drives anymore? |
| 19:56.37 | Habbie | trackanddirt, what does one have to do with the other? |
| 19:56.55 | trackanddirt | Failure rates |
| 19:57.01 | Habbie | right |
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| 19:57.51 | trackanddirt | Is that not valid? |
| 19:58.30 | trackanddirt | If it a non-critical, why bother at this point? |
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| 19:59.49 | johnjay | true or false: space/del behave the same in the info reader program as PageUp/PageDown |
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| 20:24.23 | HelloShitty | Hello |
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| 20:27.22 | HelloShitty | Is it possible to see an HDD UUID that is shared via Samba server in my home wireless network? |
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| 20:29.51 | m4ch1n3znc | HelloShitty, im not familiar with samba but i would guess folders or filesystems are shared and not physical device |
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| 20:30.35 | HelloShitty | that means it cannot have an UUID? |
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| 20:32.20 | OerHeks | all you find in your logs about smb and UUID, is your administration, not send to or used on the internet |
| 20:33.15 | HelloShitty | OerHeks: who said I'm going to send anything over the internet? |
| 20:33.21 | HelloShitty | I'm just making a question |
| 20:34.06 | HelloShitty | Just for you to know, I'm just sharing an external device over my home wireless netwoek |
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| 20:45.58 | OerHeks | same answer, no? |
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| 21:25.12 | wondiws | how do I rebuild /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 21:25.13 | wondiws | ? |
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| 21:26.18 | humpled | usually with sudo update-grub, why what have you done with it? |
| 21:27.03 | wondiws | humpled, changed ext2 to ext4 |
| 21:27.11 | wondiws | and thereby the id has changed as well |
| 21:28.03 | humpled | okayy, didn't know that was possible :þ |
| 21:28.12 | humpled | will you be changing /etc/fstab too? |
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| 21:28.21 | wondiws | humpled, ofcourse |
| 21:28.39 | wondiws | humpled, it still boots, altough I get an error because of the ID, but maybe that is fixed now |
| 21:28.47 | humpled | gl |
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| 21:32.20 | Tom-_ | i liked his nickname |
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| 21:48.38 | wondiws | when I do update-grub, grub is installed to the MBR, how can I install it in the boot record of partition /dev/sda2? |
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| 22:02.27 | blackflow | wondiws: update-grub doesn't install it, install-grub does. check its params. |
| 22:02.39 | blackflow | wondiws: grub-install, sorry |
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| 22:07.18 | roylaprattep | Is MariaDB manageable via PHPMyAdmin like MySQL? |
| 22:08.30 | roylaprattep | wondiws: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:09.07 | roylaprattep | wondiws: You can't install grub to a partition... It goes on the MBR of the disk. |
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| 22:12.17 | EdePopede | you can (see the screenshots), but... (see the comments) https://askubuntu.com/questions/23418/what-do-i-select-for-grub-install-devices-after-an-update (and yes, ubuntu. even more of them now than usual) |
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| 22:15.48 | concatime | Hi folks. In the expert installer, I want to setup ipv6 and have to provide a netmask. |
| 22:15.57 | concatime | But it does not aloud me to enter only "64" |
| 22:16.05 | concatime | https://bobcares.com/wp-content/uploads/vultr_ipv6-768x188.png |
| 22:16.29 | tds | concatime: go back to the previous step, type your address with /64 on the end |
| 22:16.49 | tds | typing in the full netmask is horrible and will take forever, just don't do it :) |
| 22:17.28 | humpled | bob cares? |
| 22:17.46 | concatime | tds: I love you, did you know it? \o/ |
| 22:19.53 | concatime | Thank you. |
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| 22:23.06 | tds | glad to hear it worked :) |
| 22:23.57 | concatime | Which gateway should I provide? If you look from the image. |
| 22:24.15 | concatime | "Use router discovery" |
| 22:24.27 | wondiws | alright I installed it again to /dev/sda, but I get a warning about FlexNet using sector 32? |
| 22:24.40 | wondiws | what is this, this sounds like some Licensing scheme? |
| 22:24.47 | wondiws | I don't think I use this |
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| 23:03.11 | annadane | how do i copy all files ending in .foo to a directory, cp *.foo isn't working |
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| 23:04.04 | annadane | oh, hmm |
| 23:04.22 | annadane | never mind, got it |
| 23:04.59 | annadane | (i didn't read the filenames properly) |
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| 23:25.25 | FunkyBob | ok, so today I plan to learn enough to work out why any time an app tries to open a web link, my browser opens 3 tabs of it |
| 23:25.36 | FunkyBob | what's the common mechanism for requesting a web page opened? |
| 23:25.56 | FunkyBob | obviously it's an indirect action, so the user can control which browser is used |
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| 23:42.52 | crestfallen | hi I was happily using this command written in .bashrc , now it doesn't work: pb() (curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw/ < $1) ... (https://ptpb.pw/ doesn't seem like a domain that can be directed accessed.) |
| 23:43.12 | crestfallen | *directly accessed |
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| 23:55.49 | rwp | crestfallen, ptpb.pw has a zone and an SOA but does not seem to publish any A or AAAA or CNAME records and is therefore not really usable for https. |
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| 23:57.20 | crestfallen | rwp, that is over my head, really appreciate it regardless. but that exact script was working fine for months |
| 23:57.23 | roylaprattep | Hi, big big problem, when I browse to a website after stretch upgrade, all my service appear as plain text |
| 23:57.42 | rwp | crestfallen, Basically the problem is not in the script but in the site DNS. |
| 23:57.55 | roylaprattep | roundcube, phpmyadmin, etc. all plain text webpage |
| 23:58.00 | crestfallen | can it be remedied rwp |
| 23:58.05 | rwp | DNS being completely outside the realm of hte script. But the script requires DNS to work. |
| 23:58.40 | rwp | Is ptpb.pw your domain or one you control the DNS for? If so yes. Otherwise it is only the domain admin of ptpb.pw that can fix it. |
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| 23:59.19 | concatime | Re. What is the difference between dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces and namerserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:59.32 | rwp | roylaprattep, Which web browser are you using? |
| 23:59.41 | concatime | Also for dns-search and search in resolv.conf |
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