| 00:00.03 | roylaprattep | rwp: chrome |
| 00:00.16 | rwp | concatime, "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces is a directive to the "resolvconf" package. If resolvconf is installed. It directs resolvconf to install a search statement in /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 00:00.51 | rwp | If resolvconf is not installed then the statement in /etc/network/interfaces does nothing. |
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| 00:01.24 | roylaprattep | rwp: I mean, im not browsing the web, i had installed roundcube and phpmyadmin on my jessie server |
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| 00:01.47 | roylaprattep | rwp: after stretch upgrade, when i browse to them, locally, they load plain text |
| 00:02.14 | rwp | roylaprattep, I suspect some breakage with chrome/chromium in the ~/.config/google-chrome or ~/.config/chromium configuration that was perhaps broken due to versions of browsers. |
| 00:02.16 | crestfallen | rwp, this is the error: curl: (6) Could not resolve host: ptpb.pw |
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| 00:02.37 | roylaprattep | rwp: you dont understand |
| 00:02.47 | rwp | roylaprattep, What? More details please. How is that causing you plain text? |
| 00:02.55 | rwp | Correct. I do not understand. |
| 00:03.01 | roylaprattep | i am using a windows machine to access roundcube or phpmyadmin on my server |
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| 00:03.31 | roylaprattep | since strecth upgrade, both service load plain text |
| 00:03.32 | rwp | crestfallen, Right. Try a direct dns lookup. Such as: host -t a ptpb.pwf |
| 00:03.47 | rwp | Or: host -t aaaa ptpb.pwf |
| 00:04.27 | crestfallen | sorry kindly write the entire script beginning with alias pb() rwp |
| 00:04.55 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: what web server are you using? Did you check its logs for errors? |
| 00:05.04 | roylaprattep | apache2 |
| 00:05.43 | rwp | concatime, I mixed up dns-nameservers and dns-search in my answer but you hopefully got the idea. Both directives are available. See "man resolvconf" for details. |
| 00:05.44 | tds | crestfallen: what is this command actually meant to do? your current one isn't going to work until the person running ptpb.pw puts the dns records back |
| 00:06.01 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: unless you have configured other logs the default error log is /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 00:06.04 | roylaprattep | jmcnaught: you understand what i am explaining? |
| 00:06.16 | rwp | crestfallen, Your script I think is okay. I think the site DNS is broken. |
| 00:06.32 | tds | ^^ |
| 00:06.40 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: yeah it sounds like the CSS and other assets are not being served by the web server anymore |
| 00:06.51 | crestfallen | I see any alternative sites like this one? it's pretty cool to paste directly from the filesystem |
| 00:06.55 | themill | crestfallen: there are alternatives like sprung.us and pstebinit |
| 00:06.56 | tds | knowing what this script is meant to do would be useful, it's quite possible there's another site it can talk to or something |
| 00:07.08 | themill | tds: it's a cli pastebin |
| 00:07.09 | tds | ahh, just a pastebin! |
| 00:07.18 | roylaprattep | jmcnaught: i have no error in apache logs |
| 00:07.25 | rwp | tds, I think that script posted the contents of the file given to the site. curl -F creates a form on the fly and posts it with the given fields. |
| 00:07.45 | roylaprattep | thats why i hate dist-upgrade |
| 00:07.51 | roylaprattep | always something broken |
| 00:07.56 | tds | rwp: yeah, I think themill got it :) |
| 00:08.02 | crestfallen | thanks ALL yeah it was great while it lasted. I'll try sprung.us I saw it earlier |
| 00:08.55 | rwp | For command line pastebins the http://termbin.com/ site is pretty simple to use. |
| 00:09.00 | tds | though really you should just run a webserver of your own and have an alias that'll dump it there ;) |
| 00:09.22 | themill | roylaprattep: how are you serving php? (apache module? fpm?) |
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| 00:11.04 | rwp | roylaprattep, I happen to be using both roundcube and phpmyadmin but have not upgraded to the Buster release candidate yet. So don't know of any specific problems. |
| 00:11.05 | roylaprattep | yes, it seems a php problem since debian 9 upgrade |
| 00:11.18 | roylaprattep | themill: you have any idea? |
| 00:11.28 | rwp | But one should look at any NEWS, README, and other files to see if there are specific upgrades during upgrades. |
| 00:11.33 | roylaprattep | i am using apache2, maybe a php module not loaded anymore? |
| 00:11.54 | rwp | Perhaps the apache php module was removed during the upgrade? |
| 00:12.12 | themill | this should involve php5â7 |
| 00:12.20 | rwp | Perhaps installing libapache2-mod-php will be enough? |
| 00:12.30 | themill | roylaprattep: what does "aptitude search ~nphp~i" say? |
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| 00:13.05 | roylaprattep | libapache2-mod-php |
| 00:13.09 | roylaprattep | maybe missing this |
| 00:13.35 | roylaprattep | already installed |
| 00:14.09 | rwp | Just for clarification, you are seeing the raw php code in the client? |
| 00:15.09 | crestfallen | YAY it works with sprunge.us (euclid's algorithm in haskell: http://sprunge.us/YM9f1U ) |
| 00:15.21 | tds | roylaprattep: if you want to be using mod_php, is it enabled? you can `a2enmod php7.0` to enable it |
| 00:15.25 | roylaprattep | rwp: yes |
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| 00:16.20 | roylaprattep | that was it |
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| 00:16.25 | roylaprattep | thanks guys |
| 00:16.30 | roylaprattep | why apache2 did disabled it? |
| 00:16.37 | roylaprattep | or the upgrade... |
| 00:16.38 | rwp | It was libapache2-mod-php missing? |
| 00:16.49 | roylaprattep | no, a2enmod php7.0 |
| 00:16.59 | rwp | Ah, so present but not enabled. |
| 00:17.02 | roylaprattep | the module wasn't loaded |
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| 00:17.23 | rwp | Saying would be knowing. Not knowing, cannot say. |
| 00:18.39 | rwp | If you are now happy crestfallen then you may have to change your nick. :-) |
| 00:19.16 | crestfallen | :) rwp but it's such a beautiful word! |
| 00:19.36 | crestfallen | 'Whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent' Wittgenstein rwp |
| 00:20.15 | roylaprattep | damn stretch still not serving the roundcube version that shows remaining disk dpace |
| 00:20.19 | roylaprattep | space* |
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| 00:21.05 | rwp | Stretch? Or Buster release candidate? |
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| 00:21.29 | rwp | Does RoundCube display local disk space available? Me will need to go look... |
| 00:21.45 | roylaprattep | yup new version |
| 00:21.58 | roylaprattep | https://roundcube.net/screens/ |
| 00:22.07 | roylaprattep | look at the first screenshot |
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| 00:22.46 | rwp | Is that the 25% in that first screenshot? |
| 00:23.10 | roylaprattep | yes |
| 00:23.15 | roylaprattep | maybe its a plugin tho |
| 00:23.22 | themill | roylaprattep: note that you do not have v 1.3.9 there which is what those screenshots come from |
| 00:23.29 | rwp | Feels like it might be a plugin... |
| 00:23.48 | roylaprattep | themill: i know, thats what i am saying ;) |
| 00:24.20 | rwp | ,v roundcube |
| 00:24.21 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; buster: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2; sid: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2 |
| 00:24.25 | themill | You really need to work on how you say it then. FWIW I've struggled all along to work out what you are saying. |
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| 00:25.16 | roylaprattep | well, except the new config for each service that i have that changed that i will need to reconfigure (copy paste with old config) and the apache php module not loaded, upgrade did pretty good, everything else seems fine for now |
| 00:25.20 | Hi-Angel | Hey, I'm not on Debian, just wondering: is /usr/local/ in libraries search path on Debian by default? |
| 00:25.32 | themill | Hi-Angel: yes |
| 00:25.36 | Hi-Angel | Thanks |
| 00:25.41 | roylaprattep | themill: i am french |
| 00:25.47 | roylaprattep | themill: my english is not perfect, sorry. |
| 00:26.45 | themill | that's ok, I have the advantage of being a native English speaker and can normally figure out what people are saying |
| 00:27.10 | rwp | And my french language skills are zero. |
| 00:28.05 | rwp | All I learned from my grandparents was "ne touche pas". :-) |
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| 00:42.09 | roylaprattep | ho |
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| 00:42.43 | roylaprattep | how can i know all the directories the dist-upgrade hasnt been able to delete? |
| 00:43.07 | roylaprattep | i see that /etc/pear was one caise i had time to see it during the process |
| 00:43.51 | roylaprattep | it bugs me that i have directories or files that are obsolete |
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| 00:53.39 | themill | roylaprattep: have a look at the output of "aptitude search ~c" for packages that are removed but not purged. |
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| 01:02.43 | roylaprattep | themill: apt-get have a command for this? |
| 01:02.56 | roylaprattep | apt* |
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| 01:10.49 | themill | roylaprattep: dpkg -l | grep ^.c |
| 01:15.55 | roylaprattep | and after that, to remove them? |
| 01:16.26 | roylaprattep | dpkg --purge | grep ^.c ? |
| 01:16.27 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up | grep ^.c all over roylaprattep and llucenic... |
| 01:17.03 | roylaprattep | haha |
| 01:21.05 | themill | you can "apt purge list of packages" |
| 01:21.28 | themill | (or aptitude purge ~c) |
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| 01:51.02 | roylaprattep | themill: its weird cause pear isnt in the list |
| 01:51.22 | roylaprattep | but i swear i saw this during upgrade |
| 01:51.41 | roylaprattep | /etc/pear unable to delete directory not empty |
| 01:51.52 | somiaj | if pear was being upgraded, that is differnt than being removed with config files left |
| 01:51.58 | themill | what does "dpkg -S /etc/pear" say? |
| 01:52.11 | somiaj | could be an upgrade script failed, which is why you got that error |
| 01:52.17 | roylaprattep | root@debian-prlsvr:~# dpkg -S /etc/pear |
| 01:52.17 | roylaprattep | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/pear |
| 01:52.41 | themill | yeah, if you installed modules manually with pear, it can't clean that up from the debian package |
| 01:52.49 | roylaprattep | no. |
| 01:52.52 | roylaprattep | i did not |
| 01:52.58 | roylaprattep | it comes with php i think |
| 01:53.35 | somiaj | another such option is something put a file in /etc/pear or modified a file (could have been a script) or even just a bug in the package, when the package was removed/purged, it detected there were files there that the package didn't own, and thus didn't delete that directory, this is behaving as intneded |
| 01:53.41 | roylaprattep | i probablty still need it since i use php |
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| 01:55.58 | roylaprattep | there is only pear.conf in the dir |
| 01:56.07 | roylaprattep | that i did not create myself |
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| 02:00.39 | roylaprattep | php-pear is already the newest version (1:1.10.1+submodules+notgz-9+deb9u1). |
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| 02:01.02 | roylaprattep | not even uninstalled, probably why it was unable to delete |
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| 02:03.19 | somiaj | it was probably an upgrade script, maybe moving the config directory from /etc/pear to some new location |
| 02:03.50 | somiaj | and the script didn't delete the old configu directory /etc/pear because it had something in it didn't own, and thus it informed you of such a thing |
| 02:03.58 | somiaj | so you could go look at /etc/pear see what is there and decide what to do with it |
| 02:04.12 | somiaj | roylaprattep: what release is this for? |
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| 02:14.21 | jim | what's the package name to install the x client libs on a machine/ |
| 02:14.24 | jim | ? |
| 02:18.05 | somiaj | what do you mean by client libs? libx11-6? |
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| 02:53.50 | seeker51 | firefox-esr crashes when I try to audio stream. |
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| 02:55.57 | seeker51 | in epiphany it will not stream audio so I am thinking I am missing a plugin or something |
| 02:56.04 | seeker51 | sound card works |
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| 03:16.38 | dstaring | What is the apt command to check if there are any security-related updates/patches for the system or for any installed software? "sudo apt update" outputs stuff gradually; I'd like to know if there is a flag or something to make it only return the answer as a yes/no of some kind. |
| 03:16.58 | dstaring | (Also, that command I just typed doesn't ONLY check for security-related updates.) |
| 03:17.41 | dstaring | If I just used that command, it would constantly be pestering me about updating, even when they are not security-related. |
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| 03:22.05 | finn0 | dstaring: Do you only want seacurity updates? If so, comment out all repository URL except repo of security team(http://security.debian.org/debian-security) in source.list file. |
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| 03:22.32 | dstaring | finn0: This can't be done with a flag? |
| 03:22.32 | finn0 | *security |
| 03:22.37 | dstaring | I have to change everything in configs? |
| 03:22.51 | dstaring | I want it to update everything when I actually log in and do the update manually. |
| 03:23.06 | dstaring | But I don't want it to constantly notify me about non-security updates beeing needed. |
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| 03:34.23 | finn0 | dstaring: you can define your own config file or even config string. Check "man apt" |
| 03:41.56 | themill | dstaring: there are no non-security updates except at point release time |
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| 03:52.37 | dstaring | themill: Really? Well, that certainly solves that problem. |
| 03:52.56 | themill | that's the point of a Debian stable release |
| 03:52.58 | dstaring | themill: But still, "sudo apt update" doesn't appear to be designed to be run by a program/script, as I intend to do? |
| 03:53.13 | themill | s/apt/apt-get/ |
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| 04:01.48 | dstaring | themill: "sudo apt-get update" appears to be identical to "sudo apt update". |
| 04:02.38 | themill | not quite |
| 04:02.46 | cheapie | apt has the nice progress indicator. |
| 04:02.47 | themill | (but largely) |
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| 04:03.50 | themill | dstaring: you asked about apt being not designed to be run from a script; apt is explicitly not designed to be run from scripts. |
| 04:04.27 | dstaring | Why would they do that? |
| 04:04.41 | dstaring | And more importantly: how do I check this from a script, then? |
| 04:04.52 | cheapie | I've never really considered package management to be a good thing to do from scripts, but I suppose "apt-get update" and "apt-get -y upgrade" (not dist-upgrade) are relatively safe as far as this goes... |
| 04:05.16 | dstaring | "I've never really considered package management to be a good thing to do from scripts"?!?!?!? |
| 04:05.26 | rwp | apt-get run from scripts is just fine. I do this routinely on all of my systems. |
| 04:05.32 | dstaring | So you are supposed to constantly manually run commands all day in the hope that maybe this time there is an update? |
| 04:06.39 | rwp | Personally I prefer the apt-get interface over apt, aptitude, synaptic, and the older ones that I need not mention. |
| 04:07.54 | shezco | hello? |
| 04:08.02 | annadane | hello |
| 04:08.09 | rwp | Reading the scrollback I don't see that dstaring is guarenteed to be running a stable release. To which the rule of security upgrades only applies. Could be running Unstable Sid which is always a latest uploaded bleeding edge daily build wild, wild, wild, ride suite. |
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| 04:08.24 | shezco | hi im looking for a hacking irc server any good ones, im using hexchat |
| 04:08.58 | cheapie | ^ that's probably the main difference there - I run mostly testing/unstable around here, so blindly going with whatever apt-get suggests isn't usually a great idea. |
| 04:09.11 | shezco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:09.19 | annadane | okay, first of all |
| 04:09.20 | shezco | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.22 | shezco | hello |
| 04:09.25 | annadane | you just said that, stop repeating yourself |
| 04:09.32 | annadane | secondly this is #debian |
| 04:09.35 | rwp | shezco, We all heard you the first time. |
| 04:09.43 | shezco | oh i didnt think they were sending |
| 04:09.52 | shezco | it looks light gray to me |
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| 04:10.38 | themill | dstaring: apt is designed for a user to interact with and does not have a stable interface. One of the reasons it exists is that because people were using apt-get in scripts, its behaviour cannot be changed even though it has some misfeatures that would be nice to fix |
| 04:11.14 | dstaring | themill: I see. Would've been better if it had been called "apt-cli" or something, though. |
| 04:11.36 | dstaring | Or even better: "apt cli-update" |
| 04:11.49 | dstaring | Wait... it's CLI even if they are interactive. |
| 04:11.53 | dstaring | Scratch the "cli" part. |
| 04:12.02 | rwp | Hmm... Maybe calling it something that uses apt to get new upgrades... |
| 04:12.22 | dstaring | "apt noninteractive-update" |
| 04:12.34 | dstaring | "apt are-there-updates" |
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| 04:13.07 | themill | ITYM apt list --upgradable |
| 04:14.17 | annadane | i thought there was some package i'd read about which cross referenced your package list with CVEs |
| 04:14.22 | annadane | and, being me, i didn't write it down |
| 04:14.56 | rwp | Hmm... "apt list --upgradable" sppears the same as "apt-show-versions | grep upgradeable" |
| 04:15.24 | annadane | but you do realize there's a debian-security mailing list, right? |
| 04:15.30 | annadane | it will tell you if there are updates of that nature |
| 04:15.41 | rwp | There is https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
| 04:16.08 | rwp | Such as https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11815 for example. |
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| 04:29.45 | annadane | is there a way to get an rss feed of various tracker.debian.org pages? |
| 04:30.07 | annadane | never mind |
| 04:30.12 | annadane | it's literally just the url lol |
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| 04:36.02 | roylaprattep | somiaj: stretch |
| 04:37.43 | roylaprattep | is there a way to find every directories and files not used anymore? orphan dir and files |
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| 04:44.45 | mrjpaxton | Anyone who is using Midnight Commander (mc) know of a way to change the location of the history file, preferably without symlinks? |
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| 04:54.02 | roylaprattep | i now have so many orphan files since dist-upgrade, its bad, last time i do a dist-upgrade, it leave so many crap behind |
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| 05:01.25 | pity | https://salsa.debian.org/ is 503 Service Unavailable now. |
| 05:01.26 | terr__ | Is there anyone here from Brisbane. I want to talk with Angus |
| 05:02.11 | terr__ | pity I was selling drives |
| 05:04.25 | Henry151 | glances fearfully at that op hat and quiets down |
| 05:04.32 | Henry151 | oops wrong room. lol |
| 05:04.37 | pity | terr__: Angus Young from AC/DC |
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| 05:04.40 | pity | ? |
| 05:04.47 | terr__ | Henry151, we all amke mistakes |
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| 05:04.56 | terr__ | But I amke very few |
| 05:05.05 | terr__ | But they are big ones |
| 05:05.16 | Henry151 | dyslexics are teeple poo. |
| 05:05.48 | terr__ | When you step in kaka youu need to wash the foot. Not compaline |
| 05:07.00 | terr__ | Henry151, My GF in Brisbane says I have same |
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| 05:07.32 | terr__ | Henry151, I want her son |
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| 05:08.18 | themill | Perhaps you were wanting ##chat? |
| 05:08.29 | Psi-Jack | Looks like it... |
| 05:08.42 | terr__ | I have so much I just hop on a plane and go see here. I told her. I am hopping the pond adn I can be there for 3 months.. and did it 2x |
| 05:08.44 | Butt3rfly | e thinks so too |
| 05:09.01 | Butt3rfly | thinks so too (awake version) |
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| 05:09.37 | terr__ | Psi-Jack, Maybe,. I certaibnly do not what to polutete the channel |
| 05:10.46 | terr__ | JNobody is offtopic. How do I find ##chat? |
| 05:12.11 | Psi-Jack | You /join ##chat, simple. |
| 05:12.36 | Psi-Jack | And likely, if you have no actual discussion, help, etc, regarding Debian Linux, then /part #debian as well. :p |
| 05:13.07 | dak | lol |
| 05:13.09 | dak | omfg |
| 05:13.19 | dak | i guess clients autojoin here |
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| 05:15.24 | rant | many clients shipped in debian and unmodified by derivitives do default to such settings |
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| 05:16.37 | dak | sad. |
| 05:16.59 | rant | no, whats sad is the OFFSEC people that wind up here acting dumber than a whole sack of hammers |
| 05:17.12 | dak | is that directed at me? |
| 05:17.16 | rant | personally I think that whole offsec thing is just a scam |
| 05:17.26 | dak | cuz i dont bother anyone |
| 05:17.44 | dak | and im not really offsec persay but whatever stoned as fuck |
| 05:18.26 | rant | I am talking about the people going to that company to pay ridiculous money to learn to do "pentesting" and wind up here and dont even know how to use a damn irc client properly |
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| 05:20.23 | Butt3rfly | picks up a biro and draws a squiggle |
| 05:20.28 | Butt3rfly | SOMEBODY PAY ME! |
| 05:20.28 | rant | if anyone in the industry actually recognizes those qualifications they're morons |
| 05:20.58 | dak | yeah i hate whitehats so |
| 05:21.00 | dak | i feel ya |
| 05:21.05 | Butt3rfly | the world isn't short of a few morons rant :) |
| 05:21.43 | dak | its the same shit as you see with everything else... people chasing a paycheck and not a passion |
| 05:22.25 | rant | idk I suspect its immature morons chasing something they saw in a "hacker" movie |
| 05:22.26 | dak | and people wonder why so much of the world is unhappy |
| 05:22.31 | dak | yeah true |
| 05:22.51 | dak | I was told the other day i idled with the douche narc fed thats based on :/ |
| 05:23.01 | dak | im so removed from things |
| 05:23.15 | dak | tv and shit |
| 05:23.38 | themill | so ummm.... the discussion was about random noise in the channel. |
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| 05:23.51 | dak | need help? |
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| 05:24.51 | dak | 1am-5am is the best time for competent help |
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| 06:39.02 | storm_ | hello everyone |
| 06:39.15 | storm_ | I may a question |
| 06:39.24 | storm_ | about lxde |
| 06:39.49 | storm_ | is it good option than the other de |
| 06:40.07 | storm_ | anyone give the advice about this |
| 06:42.15 | blackflow | storm_: it's a good option as any, depending on what exactly you want from your DE |
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| 06:44.16 | storm_ | blackflow: thank you so much did you use it or you are still using |
| 06:44.31 | storm_ | I am talking to lxde |
| 06:44.39 | blackflow | storm_: no, I prefer simplicity, I use i3-wm |
| 06:44.48 | blackflow | (simplicity and less mousework) |
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| 06:45.14 | storm_ | hmm |
| 06:45.21 | storm_ | I see;9 |
| 06:45.27 | storm_ | ;) |
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| 07:50.46 | martin-_-_ | I'm just creating a startup file init.d/mosquitto and I'm wondering why I should use start-daemon instead of calling mosquitto -c /etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf directly? |
| 07:53.29 | themill | martin-_-_: you normally need to deal with things like changing user, directory, writing PID files, etc; these are the things that s-s-d does for you |
| 07:54.03 | themill | you also need to be able to 'stop' and you'd normally want a 'status' too |
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| 07:54.36 | themill | that said, s-s-d is one of the more hateful tools around and it alone is a good reason to write a very simple systemd unit instead |
| 07:56.02 | martin-_-_ | themill if I add mosquitto -c /etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf directly into my init.d script file will it be executed as root? |
| 07:56.24 | themill | yes |
| 07:56.46 | martin-_-_ | how could I stop the program? kill requires the pid nr I think |
| 07:56.46 | themill | And you need to find a way of stopping it cleanly too |
| 07:56.51 | themill | quite |
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| 07:57.21 | martin-_-_ | the program can be killed so I think its okay to kill it with kill |
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| 07:58.08 | martin-_-_ | or I just don't implement it |
| 07:58.12 | themill | s-s-d does this with a PID file to record the PID of the process |
| 07:58.38 | themill | Any reason you're wanting to reinvent all this rather than just write a systemd unit? |
| 07:59.03 | themill | This is precisely the stuff that is difficult to do correctly and systemd solves very easily |
| 07:59.35 | martin-_-_ | themill my distribution is 10 years old there is no systemd |
| 07:59.57 | blackflow | so the obvious question follow.... |
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| 08:00.01 | blackflow | *follows |
| 08:00.07 | martin-_-_ | its a NAS |
| 08:00.24 | martin-_-_ | you can't upgrade the unit |
| 08:00.42 | themill | I'll just put it out there that #debian is here to support the supported Debian releases⦠;) |
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| 08:23.34 | Marethyu | Hello. Could someone recommend me a GUI Twitter client, please ? |
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| 09:17.54 | sbs | hi |
| 09:18.10 | sbs | is there an apt repo for swig4 on Jessie ? |
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| 09:21.20 | themill | swig 4 was released about a month ago, and you want it for a 5 year old release? |
| 09:21.34 | sbs | In the process of upgrading |
| 09:21.43 | sbs | it's not there in strecth either |
| 09:21.52 | sbs | using V3 will build for php7 ? |
| 09:21.55 | themill | sure, stretch was released 2 years ago. |
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| 09:31.12 | sbs | Ok, found swig3 in apt, will try that before going into compiling v4. |
| 09:31.17 | sbs | thanks for the feedback |
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| 10:49.48 | f8e3 | how to install java deb9.9? which way rec. |
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| 10:52.30 | themill | f8e3: openjdk-8-jdk (or openjdk-8-jre) depending on what you need |
| 10:53.04 | f8e3 | themill ty |
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| 10:55.30 | themill | (openjdk-11-jdk is in stretch-backports too) |
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| 11:14.23 | \\Mr_C\\ | are they releasing 10 today? |
| 11:14.38 | \\Mr_C\\ | oh wait, nevermind thats next sunday |
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| 11:15.50 | \\Mr_C\\ | or saterday |
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| 11:17.54 | humpled | Saturday |
| 11:19.27 | \\Mr_C\\ | guess i will go back to sleep till then |
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| 11:28.08 | antto | 10? debian10? |
| 11:28.28 | antto | has the time come? |
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| 11:35.26 | Battaglin | 1 week |
| 11:35.40 | Battaglin | 6th I think no ? |
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| 11:36.08 | blackflow | yessssss |
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| 11:36.56 | antto | wowz, so 10 is gonna be the stable version then? |
| 11:37.10 | Battaglin | Id think so yes |
| 11:37.14 | antto | kewl |
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| 11:37.47 | Battaglin | https://itsfoss.com/debian-10-buster/ |
| 11:37.57 | Battaglin | if the date is permanet I dunno |
| 11:38.45 | Battaglin | release is usually when its ready... and nOT before :D |
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| 11:40.59 | blackflow | I'm already on Busterino. since.... soft freeze back in march. |
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| 11:43.23 | storm_ | hell |
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| 11:50.07 | antto | buster is easier to spell than stretch ;P~ |
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| 11:52.15 | Battaglin | freeze ? |
| 11:52.18 | Battaglin | its 30c |
| 11:52.20 | Battaglin | pheeew |
| 11:52.24 | Battaglin | hehe |
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| 11:54.20 | kirk781 | it's forty at my place :p |
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| 11:58.09 | martin-_-___ | I compiled git from source. In order to work properly you have to set export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gcc-4.6.0/lib/:/usr/local/ssl/lib/:/usr/local/lib/ . I do this in .bashrc |
| 11:58.22 | martin-_-___ | so it will be automatically executed everytime I log in |
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| 11:59.39 | martin-_-___ | now apache is using git and fails with could not load shared library libiconv and I think its because the process, which is executed as user admin hasn't set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:59.53 | martin-_-___ | so how could I export LD_LIBARY_PATH for an other user? |
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| 12:01.32 | BCMM | martin-_-___: make a wrapper script for git, and have Apache call that |
| 12:02.02 | themill | I'd be curious why the compiled binary was using things outside of /usr/lib |
| 12:02.30 | themill | Also, why compile git at all? |
| 12:03.20 | martin-_-___ | its for my NAS |
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| 12:03.53 | martin-_-___ | I added the paths to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 12:03.56 | martin-_-___ | hope this helps |
| 12:03.59 | themill | (which doesn't answer any of the questions) |
| 12:04.34 | martin-_-___ | because there is no git binary for my NAS |
| 12:04.42 | blackflow | that same NAS that's not even Debian but you keep asking for support of it here? :) |
| 12:05.00 | themill | martin-_-___: this is #debian; git is in debian. |
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| 12:05.31 | martin-_-___ | blackflow the questions are mostly common to Debian |
| 12:05.40 | themill | or not |
| 12:07.48 | antto | ,v kicad |
| 12:07.49 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.2+dfsg1-1 |
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| 12:24.25 | vash2511 | Hello guys! I'm on stretch right now. I had played with pinning one year ago. Now, I wanted to remove or downgrade all Sid packages I had installed (5 or 6 packages). I've been able to remove or downgrade all of them except two packages. Those packacges are fontconfig-config and libfontconfig1. I'm tring to downgrade them to the stable version, but APT tells me they have some dependencies with libtheora and pulseaudio. I'd like to force a downgrade. Is |
| 12:24.25 | vash2511 | it possible? |
| 12:24.54 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 12:24.54 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 12:34.23 | themill | if you have sid packages from ages ago, then you can probably upgrade to buster now |
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| 12:36.13 | vash2511 | really? Do you think the best option is to wait the buster release? |
| 12:36.32 | vash2511 | They are only two packages |
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| 12:37.14 | themill | if it's really only two packages then you can probably downgrade them; or you can upgrade to buster (right now, it's not going to change between now and release) |
| 12:37.47 | vash2511 | Could they make some troubles during buster upgrade? Actually I wanted to remove those packages, because I want to avoid troubles during buster upgrade |
| 12:38.45 | vash2511 | I've already tried to downgrade them, but apt tells me about some unmet dependencies |
| 12:41.48 | jmcnaught | vash2511: are those dependencies also from unstable? |
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| 12:45.48 | jmcnaught | vash2511: you can check with a command like: aptitude search '~S ~i !~A^stable' however I would also probably just upgrade to buster |
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| 13:10.10 | f8e3 | eclipse is a huge package, anyone broken sth in the OS when installing? |
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| 13:23.24 | f8e3 | i am inbetween: using synaptic i can install old eclipse or use the new tar from the webpage 4. (not 3.) but it probably might break deb9.9 ? |
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| 13:32.02 | themill | I don't think the eclipse package in Debian is worth using. |
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| 13:53.57 | annadane | what is the package for basic spellchecking in libreoffice? |
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| 13:54.16 | annadane | i guess i need a dictionary package as well, though i kinda know which those packages are |
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| 13:58.15 | themill | the descriptions and dependencies of libreoffice-l10n-$foo are useful |
| 13:58.37 | BCMM | annadane: as i understand it, libreoffice has a spellchecking engine built-in. but the dictionaries need to be installed separately |
| 13:59.46 | BCMM | annadane: (for compatible dictionaries, just look at the suggests for the libreoffice metapackage) |
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| 14:18.09 | roylapra1tep | wow... jessie to stretch leaves so many orphan dir and files.... is there a way to find the ones i dont know about? |
| 14:18.25 | roylapra1tep | its sad that dist-upgrade does that |
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| 14:20.14 | blackflow | roylapra1tep: dirs and files like what? |
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| 14:21.04 | jasonwc | Hello, I'm trying to test out Buster on my desktop system using the 6/25/19 debian-live-testing-amd64-gnome.iso (from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/). I verified that the SHA256 hash matched the SHA256SUMS file on the server. However, booting never completes - it leaves me at a screen with corrupted text which shows the following - https://imgur.com/a/77XRxxV. In contrast, I am able |
| 14:21.04 | jasonwc | to boot with a Debian Stretch live CD but I need Buster for this particular project. |
| 14:21.08 | roylapra1tep | /etc/php5... /etc/pear... /etc/initramfstool.... thats the one im sure of |
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| 14:22.26 | themill | jasonwc: the buster rc2 installer image is like a better option btw |
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| 14:23.20 | jasonwc | themill, I need a live image for this task. See https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian-Buster-Encrypted-Root-on-ZFS. It works fine in a VM on another system. |
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| 14:24.09 | themill | I can't say I've ever had much luck with the live images |
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| 14:24.51 | roylapra1tep | blackflow: so, is there a way to scan them all? |
| 14:25.46 | kerbygys2 | S3xyL1nux rules! |
| 14:25.51 | kerbygys2 | S3xyL1nux rules! |
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| 14:26.05 | jasonwc | themill, Any idea if the ACPI errors are actually the cause of the problem? A google search seems to indicate it's a problem on certain BIOS's but wouldn't stop boot. The Stretch images show the entire bootup but there's just an image for Buster so I have no idea what's going on |
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| 14:26.10 | blackflow | roylapra1tep: nothing simple comes to mind, no |
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| 14:27.12 | humpled | BIOSes? |
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| 14:28.06 | jasonwc | sure |
| 14:28.20 | brookvoy6 | S3xyL1nux rules! |
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| 14:28.26 | brookvoy6 | S3xyL1nux rules! |
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| 14:29.44 | themill | brookvoy6: grow up |
| 14:29.54 | blackflow | themill: bot. posting in other chans too |
| 14:30.51 | annadane | you know what i should've checked first? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LibreOffice#Spell_checking |
| 14:30.57 | annadane | as always... |
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| 14:31.38 | humpled | ... |
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| 14:33.19 | jasonwc | Well, the Debian Buster live image works in Virtualbox on the same hardware that won't complete booting. So, perhaps it is the BIOS. |
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| 15:20.35 | Muyfret | does debian support raspberry pi? |
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| 15:28.10 | AimHere | Muyfret, there is or at least was a debian distro designed for the Pi when the Pi first came out |
| 15:28.29 | Muyfret | it's weighed down with all sorts of pi software stuff |
| 15:28.30 | AimHere | Whether it's official Debian or debian-based, or not there anymore, I don't know |
| 15:29.05 | Muyfret | their current image is buster. i'd rather just use plain and simple 9.9 |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | Muyfret: the installation manual for ARM may help you figure that out? |
| 15:35.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Muyfret about pi |
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| 15:39.58 | Muyfret | lul |
| 15:40.37 | Muyfret | the hardware design may be open, but the firmware is proprietary. the only replacement was given up on by the author |
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| 16:08.08 | ha3mak | hi |
| 16:08.28 | ha3mak | I'm editing the debian installer ISO to create a preseed image |
| 16:08.47 | ha3mak | I did it and works great but I can't set isolinux to boot automatic install automatically |
| 16:08.58 | ha3mak | how can I do this? |
| 16:09.12 | ha3mak | I tried to set default auto and timeout 1 in isolinux.cfg but didn't work |
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| 16:30.03 | humpled | i have prompt 0 ha3mak |
| 16:30.29 | ha3mak | I try it, thanks |
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| 16:30.34 | humpled | no timeout |
| 16:30.40 | Psyndrome | hi |
| 16:31.13 | Psyndrome | Anyone knows how to scan an hdd/ssd for its health status? |
| 16:31.36 | ha3mak | smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 16:31.50 | ha3mak | humpled: prompt 0 is there by default |
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| 16:36.04 | Psyndrome | aha thank you |
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| 16:48.46 | ha3mak | humpled: It works... It boots with grub, so I have to set default and timeout values in boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 17:17.18 | nkuttler | choice: dpkg -S /usr/src/whatever |
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| 17:17.27 | choice | ? |
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| 17:18.02 | nkuttler | choice: run that command. replace whatever with * |
| 17:18.23 | choice | What will it do? |
| 17:18.37 | nkuttler | choice: see man dpkg |
| 17:18.56 | BCMM | choice: dpkg -S will tell you what package owns a file |
| 17:19.07 | choice | There are gazillions of files in that dir. |
| 17:19.16 | nkuttler | so? |
| 17:19.20 | BCMM | choice: it's usually not a good idea to just go deleting stuff. work out what packages it's part of, and works out whether you can remove that package with no ill effects |
| 17:19.22 | BCMM | choice: so pick one |
| 17:19.40 | choice | "dpkg -S /usr/src/*" outputs gazillion of lines like these: |
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| 17:19.48 | choice | linux-headers-4.4.0-148: /usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.0-148 |
| 17:19.49 | BCMM | choice: or you can just do `dpkg -S /usr/src/` |
| 17:19.59 | nkuttler | choice: so read the output |
| 17:20.13 | nkuttler | choice: and the apt show <packagename> to know what the package is for |
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| 17:20.23 | BCMM | choice: anyway, those are the linux headers. you need those if you ever need to compile any modules for your kernel |
| 17:20.25 | choice | I tend to just "rm -r /usr/src/*" |
| 17:20.40 | choice | I never have compiled a module in my life. |
| 17:20.49 | BCMM | choice: don't do that unless your sure you don't use any dkms packages, which automatically compile kernel modules |
| 17:20.50 | nkuttler | choice: removing random files is a good way to break your system |
| 17:21.10 | nkuttler | choice: yeah, most modules are compiled automatically |
| 17:21.12 | choice | This stuff takes up a gig of storage. |
| 17:21.14 | BCMM | choice: if those files bother you, use your package manager to uninstall linux-headers. |
| 17:21.24 | choice | I use apt. |
| 17:22.12 | BCMM | choice: use apt to remove the packages. you can safely remove old versions (if you have a lot of old headers, you probably want to uninstall some old kernels too) |
| 17:22.21 | nkuttler | if you have lots of header packages installed, see also apt autoremove |
| 17:22.22 | choice | ok |
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| 17:24.48 | BCMM | if you want to stop headers getting automatically installed with every kernel, you can remove the linux-headers-amd64 metapackage. but this will break dkms, so be very sure you don't need that first |
| 17:25.25 | BCMM | for example, if you use virtualbox, you need kernel headers because apt automatically compiles vbox's kernel module every time you install a new kernel |
| 17:25.55 | BCMM | also, if you use the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 17:26.10 | choice | Ha, I *do* use virtualbox. |
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| 17:27.12 | BCMM | virtualbox requires virtualbox-dkms, virtualbox-dkms requires dkms itself, dkms requires kernel headers. so you will get nasty errors next time you upgrade your kernel if you jsut delete that directory |
| 17:27.39 | BCMM | as previously mentioned, please don't just rm stuff because you don't know what it's for. we have a package manager for a reason. |
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| 17:28.52 | BCMM | you can use apt to uninstall the old versions. if you try and uninstall *all* versions, apt will warn you that it needs to uninstall virtualbox and a bunch of other stuff to achieve that. and then you'll know what those files are for! package managements is wonderful! |
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| 17:33.05 | Muyfret | what happens if you did something wrong is is your VM won't have a functioning mouse cursor or any input for that matter |
| 17:33.15 | Muyfret | even though it will boot to login |
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| 17:33.43 | Muyfret | the solution is to boot into recovery mode, enable internet, install headers first, then install the image of the kernel |
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| 17:34.13 | BCMM | Muyfret: virtualbox-dkms is for the host, not the guest |
| 17:34.41 | BCMM | it's the thing that lets vbox use hardware virtualisation extensions |
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| 17:35.46 | jmcnaught | well there's also virtualbox-guest-dkms |
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| 17:36.22 | jmcnaught | at least in stretch, virtualbox isn't in buster |
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| 17:39.33 | Muyfret | is 909 known to cause any outages? |
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| 17:40.35 | Muyfret | the 1st and last time I went up to 909 an outage occurred like immediately and precisely on reboot |
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| 17:41.52 | Muyfret | i ask anyone capable to monitor traffic after 909 upgrade and reboot. see if there's unsual amount of back and forth or anything odd |
| 17:42.22 | BCMM | Muyfret: what is "909" in this context? |
| 17:42.32 | Muyfret | BCMM kernel |
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| 17:43.28 | BCMM | ah, as in 4.9.0-9? |
| 17:43.34 | Muyfret | yep |
| 17:43.41 | BCMM | Muyfret: so, what do you mean by "outages"? kernel panic? |
| 17:44.18 | Muyfret | net downage |
| 17:44.35 | Muyfret | needs reboot or nothing works severity |
| 17:44.59 | BCMM | is this machine headless? do you have a way to log in to it without the network? |
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| 17:45.20 | Muyfret | nope and nope. |
| 17:45.42 | BCMM | so... it's not headless? but you can only log in to it over the network? |
| 17:46.03 | Muyfret | the machine itself does not break. just the connectivity |
| 17:46.13 | Muyfret | to outside world type stuf |
| 17:46.17 | BCMM | i think i need to rephrase the question: does this machine have a keyboard and a monitor? |
| 17:46.27 | Muyfret | yes |
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| 17:46.45 | BCMM | so you *can*, presumably, log in to the computer, even without the network? you can get access to debug this? |
| 17:46.56 | Muyfret | oh i see your point |
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| 17:47.35 | Muyfret | i could just run the sniffer and see what if anything is being communciated |
| 17:47.46 | Muyfret | communicated* |
| 17:48.08 | Muyfret | but what if it's a trick of the endpoints? i don't want to cause an outage |
| 17:48.19 | BCMM | or, like, run ifconfig -a and see if your network device still exists... |
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| 17:48.36 | Muyfret | oh it was there to select in network manager but no connection would form |
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| 17:49.25 | Muyfret | and in more recent reports everyone else got affected (who's devices i do not access) |
| 17:49.47 | Muyfret | this is all assuming it wasn't coincidence |
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| 18:53.28 | jhutchins | Muyfret: Probably ought to look at dmesg near when it happens, see what the kernel thinks is happening. |
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| 18:54.59 | Muyfret | @jhutchins is is that the debug log? |
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| 19:06.04 | jhutchins | Muyfret: It's the kernel ring buffer log. |
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| 19:06.23 | jhutchins | Muyfret: That's more likely to show info about hardware problems. |
| 19:06.35 | jhutchins | Muyfret: dmesg -T | less |
| 19:06.52 | jhutchins | There's also /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:18.40 | Muyfret | i looked over all the messages for the time period |
| 19:19.24 | Muyfret | i found the places where i was trying to connect but got no where, and even myself forcibly disconnecting and trying again |
| 19:19.32 | Muyfret | but there's no interesting output |
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| 19:22.28 | Muyfret | state change unknown, timeouts, otherwise failure to do ip config |
| 19:22.54 | Muyfret | the kernel didn't report anything interesting during bootup either |
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| 19:29.12 | NetTerminalGene | guys. let's say i install debian but my connection is unstable. when download packages internet gets disconnect. does it connect and download packages automatically? |
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| 19:37.34 | Battaglin | no |
| 19:37.39 | Battaglin | it will fail |
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| 19:38.54 | Jiesema98 | Hello. I decided to try something that I've never tried. I will go Live in a CAM site & I am sure it will be fun! The site gave me 5 Free Invites, so I am going to give them to 5 people that are interested. Join for FREE and send "Free Invite" in my CAM room ---> https://zap.buzz/O7X |
| 19:39.55 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: run, ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ ; if files exist there you might try apt-get -f install to fix it, then try again. |
| 19:40.51 | NetTerminalGene | :/ |
| 19:41.15 | Muyfret | " From 0.0.0.0 - 153 packets to igmp(0)" could this explain a downage? |
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| 19:42.26 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: nevermind, you need to start over, i didn't catch the 'install debian' part, i assumed files |
| 19:43.04 | NetTerminalGene | ok |
| 19:43.18 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: you could try to resume, i've never been in that situation. |
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| 19:43.54 | NetTerminalGene | if i install from graphical cd, is there a way to resume then? |
| 19:44.00 | NetTerminalGene | live cd* |
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| 19:45.21 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: probably not, but can't hurt to try. i highly doubt it, and installing from a live cd has historically been a fail. your mileage may vary. |
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| 20:18.30 | noln | NetTerminalGene, it's fine to install without connection, then reboot into the installed system and upgrade. The update will start after everything has beel downloaded/checksummed |
| 20:19.21 | NetTerminalGene | ah thanks |
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| 20:21.07 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: what failed in the first place? |
| 20:22.11 | NetTerminalGene | LtL, my connection fails at full speed. so i am researching for possible issues for precaution |
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| 20:23.20 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: i've never used a live cd, but noln should be correct, the cd should have enough to perform a install |
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| 20:24.02 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: just skip the network setup when prompted. |
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| 20:35.04 | LtL | NetTerminalGene: to be clear, don't choose a mirror during the install, this way it will finish the install, remove media, reboot, configure /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:38.21 | jaggz | I'm trying to compile a kernel, but kernel-package won't aptitude install |
| 21:38.33 | jaggz | http://paste.debian.net/1089824/ |
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| 21:42.05 | jaggz | I had a secret apt/sources/stretch backports I just removed and now no kernel-common is available at all |
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| 21:54.13 | rant | twice in the last few days I'd run out of disk space, not hard to do with a small ssd, and it popped up the disk space warning dialog in MATE on buster, and when I click empty trash it kills all my open windows and doesnt empty the trash |
| 21:55.16 | rant | I'm not sure what to file a bug against.. cause the disk space warning probably comes from gvfs, the trash is probably related to caja, and the only thing I can think of that would kill other windwos like mate-terminals would be mate-session, xorg, or marco.. the wm.. |
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| 22:16.04 | noln | rant, for buster (current testing) drop a line on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, maybe it could be a known issue |
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| 22:18.17 | fgh | why do i keep getting "Function not implemented" when using rsync with -p or -a ? |
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| 22:29.11 | karlpinc | rant: Do you get a core dump? |
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