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| 00:39.46 | Synaptic | hello |
| 00:39.56 | Synaptic | !paste |
| 00:39.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:40.20 | Synaptic | http://paste.debian.net/1089836/ |
| 00:40.26 | Synaptic | how to fix that? |
| 00:40.41 | Synaptic | in sources.list i cannot see multiple things inside |
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| 00:41.16 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: did you look in the file mentioned in the warning? |
| 00:41.47 | Synaptic | 2 of them |
| 00:41.59 | Synaptic | ondrej or the other? |
| 00:42.38 | Synaptic | deb https://packages.sury.org/php/ stretch main |
| 00:42.42 | Synaptic | there is this inside |
| 00:43.32 | Synaptic | i dont even know what is that, and why is there |
| 00:44.11 | jmcnaught | Synaptic: you probably added it to get newer php |
| 00:44.33 | Synaptic | probably long tiem ago |
| 00:44.40 | Synaptic | ok i can delete it from both side? |
| 00:44.45 | jmcnaught | twice by the looks of it |
| 00:45.01 | jmcnaught | I would only delete one if you still have packages from that repo on your system |
| 00:45.50 | Synaptic | ok |
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| 00:51.58 | Synaptic | now i upgrade to buster, i believe my ZNC will go down :) |
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| 00:54.55 | HicksD | Anyone know if it's possible to get OpenCL >= 1.2 on debian with RX580 AMD gpu? clinfo reports " OpenCL 1.1 Mesa 18.2.8" currently (mesa from backports) |
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| 01:07.46 | xormor | I have found out that Ubuntu versions of programs often work with Debian out of the box. No need for extra configuring. |
| 01:08.26 | xormor | It is often the case that Ubuntu and Debian packaged software is binary compatible. |
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| 01:14.41 | magic_ninja | darn does it look like kde 5.16 won't make it into buster? |
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| 01:22.09 | somiaj | xormor: in general it is highly recommended you do not install ubuntu .deb's in debian, not that they won't run, but they often depend on different libaries. |
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| 01:23.29 | Primer | somiaj: What about kernels with their headers? |
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| 01:24.56 | Primer | I have that right now and wonder if there are any ramifications. So far it seems fine. It's just 3 packages. It's specifically for a lowlatency kernel. In Debian I only see "normal" and rt. |
| 01:25.09 | somiaj | I go with highly recommended to not install ubuntu .debs in debian (yes you could track down all the libaries required and depends needed and ensure that it is compadable and work with it, but I still would not suggest it) |
| 01:25.31 | Primer | kernel |
| 01:25.35 | somiaj | one ramification is no bug support, debian won't support that kernel, and I doubt ubuntu won't (unless you can reproduce the issue on a pure ubutunu system) |
| 01:26.09 | Primer | linux-image, linux-headers, linux-modules (this last thing looks like an ubuntu thing) |
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| 01:27.34 | somiaj | as I said, I do not suggest it |
| 01:28.28 | Synaptic | updated to buster :) all went good |
| 01:28.29 | somiaj | note, it isn't just the package you have to worry about, it is the depends it is built against. The kernel is basic (I think libc6 and some other depends) so you do have to ensure things work, and yes there are many cases where it would work, but I would not suggest it nor would #debian support it. |
| 01:29.07 | magic_ninja | somiaj, that is what I was thinking. I'll just wait until it makes it into backports. |
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| 01:29.16 | somiaj | magic_ninja: it most likely won't |
| 01:29.25 | Primer | Right. So on the subject of kernels, do you know why Debian offers no lowlatency patched kernels, but does offer rt? |
| 01:29.45 | somiaj | magic_ninja: I have yet to see a desktop make it into backports (requires to many linked packages to be simple) |
| 01:30.10 | Primer | I've recently built a system up using testing and have tried to mostly replicate what avlinux does |
| 01:30.11 | somiaj | Primer: I'm unsure, I thought they use to offer rt kernels, but if not I would compile your own vs use one from ubuntu. |
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| 01:30.35 | Primer | But sticking to packages. So far there are some scripts in /usr/local/bin, but everything else is a proper pacakge. |
| 01:31.59 | Primer | somiaj: surely you're not suggesting /usr/src/linux? :) |
| 01:33.01 | Primer | Trying to keep to pacakges. I haven't built a kernel in ages, and considering the only src debs I see for this are from ubuntu, which are also not supported...that leaves few options |
| 01:33.26 | somiaj | Primer: I'm suggesting that if you don't like the kernels that debian offers, to build your own kernels from either the debian sources or the vinalla sources vs install one from ubuntu. |
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| 01:34.09 | Primer | the ubuntu kernels have patches, which would have to be incorporated. |
| 01:35.41 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 01:35.42 | judd | Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105 |
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| 01:36.09 | somiaj | its your machine do what you want. Just realize I would not suggest installing ubuntu kernels on debian, and please refrain from suggesting that to other users here. |
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| 01:36.34 | Primer | oh boy, all I did was ask |
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| 01:41.18 | somiaj | but you'd have to ask the kernel devs why they don't offer a low latency kernel |
| 01:41.52 | somiaj | and I'm unsure what patches from ubuntu you would want, you could grab a kernel with ubuntu's patches and build that, and that would be in my mind preferable over installing their binary |
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| 01:51.22 | seeker51 | firefox-esr keeps crashing |
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| 01:53.47 | Logg | seeker51, try refreshing your profile |
| 01:54.34 | somiaj | or trying a blank user, but yea sounds like profile releated |
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| 01:55.34 | jmcnaught | with firefox you can go to about:support in the location bar and there's a button to start in safe mode with add-ons disabled |
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| 02:09.52 | seeker51 | Logg:how do i refresh my profile |
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| 02:14.20 | shmam | Hey my system randomly shutdown and then when it booted back up, it went into emergency mode. How do I figure out what the issue is? |
| 02:14.28 | shmam | journalctl looks normal/no errors |
| 02:15.42 | somiaj | overheating, issue with your mobo? |
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| 02:15.57 | somiaj | and what is emergency mode, is this something of your bios/firmware? |
| 02:16.38 | shmam | No it's from debian. I got past grub |
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| 02:17.09 | shmam | says "you are in emergency mode. after logging in, type journalctl -xb to view system logs ...... |
| 02:17.19 | Synaptic | hi somiaj |
| 02:17.23 | Synaptic | :) |
| 02:17.42 | Synaptic | i updated to Buster finally :) |
| 02:17.49 | somiaj | seeker51: I'd follow jmcnaught suggestion first. The profile is stored in .mozilla/firefox, you could just move that directory out of the way, or use a new user |
| 02:18.18 | somiaj | shmam: if you don't have persistant journal enabled, you won't see the logs from the previous boot. Providing everyhing looks fine, just reboot. |
| 02:18.38 | somiaj | maybe enable peristant logs, 'mkdir /var/log/journal', so if it happens again you have better logs |
| 02:18.54 | shmam | it boots back to emergency mode |
| 02:18.56 | shmam | hmm |
| 02:19.49 | somiaj | shmam: if your run 'systemctl default' does it continue to boot |
| 02:20.30 | shmam | if I run that, the emergency mode prompt is repeated |
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| 02:21.14 | somiaj | yea, I'm not familar with emergency mode, I've been trying to google it |
| 02:21.25 | somiaj | maybe try to see if any services have failed, with systemctl status |
| 02:21.52 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/326493/how-to-determine-exactly-why-systemd-enters-emergency-mode I found this, but maybe another link would give you more info on how to debug this |
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| 02:22.03 | shmam | status is maintenance, 1 job failed. how do I see which failed? |
| 02:22.37 | jmcnaught | systemctl list-units --state=failed |
| 02:23.39 | shmam | ok it looks like it failed to mount one of my extra drives (not the one with debian installed on it) |
| 02:24.54 | shmam | maybe that drive died and the system shutdown to prevent loss of data? is that possible? |
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| 02:28.18 | somiaj | could be, but yes, failing to mount something is considered critical and will through you into emergency mode |
| 02:28.24 | somiaj | is that drive listed in /etc/fstab? |
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| 02:29.16 | shmam | yeah |
| 02:29.54 | shmam | I'm going to comment it out and see if she boots |
| 02:31.37 | shmam | yep it boots :( |
| 02:32.04 | somiaj | so yea, now try to debug that drive, use smartmontools, unsure of the exact command on the dvice (if you see it in dmesg and /dev) |
| 02:32.19 | shmam | hopefully my drive isn't ded |
| 02:32.36 | somiaj | yea, smartctl -c /dev/sdX (point it at the drive) |
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| 02:39.07 | shmam | what does that command do? it just seems to print the copywrite info for me |
| 02:39.28 | shmam | I checked and my device has SMART capability and I turned it on |
| 02:40.05 | somiaj | man smartctl for more info |
| 02:40.13 | somiaj | it should ask the deveice to check itself |
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| 02:40.21 | shmam | yeah this is weird |
| 02:41.13 | somiaj | hmm, -c only prints capabilities, let me check check |
| 02:41.20 | somiaj | maybe -H for health |
| 02:41.21 | shmam | is it significant that my drive is mounted to /dev/sdc1 not /dev/sd_? |
| 02:41.35 | shmam | health status: ok |
| 02:41.38 | somiaj | the partition is /dev/sdc1 the drive would be /dev/sdc |
| 02:41.49 | shmam | oh |
| 02:41.54 | shmam | that makes sense |
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| 02:42.08 | somiaj | the -c should tell you how long different tests take |
| 02:42.33 | somiaj | if you want to do the test, smartctl -t short|long|etc |
| 02:42.53 | shmam | if I run the tests (-c) on /dev/sdc, it says "read device identity failed: scsi error unsupported field in scsi command" |
| 02:43.33 | somiaj | maybe check dmesg, see if you can see info about either the sata port or the drive, sounds like something is bad |
| 02:43.42 | somiaj | it could be as simple as a bad sata cable (seen those go bad many times) |
| 02:45.49 | shmam | only error in dmesg is: "ACPI Error: [DSSP] Namespace lookup failure...." |
| 02:46.03 | shmam | it shows up a couple times |
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| 02:47.16 | somiaj | you should still see it detecting your drive and info about it |
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| 02:47.59 | somiaj | also maybe look at 'lsblk' and other things to see if your drive looks alrighty |
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| 02:49.26 | shmam | oh yeah it says "[sdc] Attached SCSI disk" and some info about the drive (write protection off, write cache enabled...) |
| 02:49.33 | shmam | in dmesg |
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| 02:51.13 | somiaj | check lsblk to see if the kernel sees the partition table |
| 02:51.26 | somiaj | try to mount it and so on |
| 02:54.45 | shmam | wait is it possible that two drives switched mount points? The drive now seems to be on /dev/sdb. (not switched while running, just before/during boot) |
| 02:55.02 | shmam | maybe I just messed up my fstab tho |
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| 02:57.16 | somiaj | it is possible, /dev/sdX is first come first serve, that is why /etc/fstab should be using UUIDS and not actual devices |
| 02:57.20 | SwedeMike | shmam: yes, that often happens. use UUID in fstab instead. |
| 02:57.54 | shmam | ah ok that must be what happened. I'll still need to figure out why it randomly shutdown. Any ideas of where I should start? |
| 02:57.57 | SwedeMike | shmam: so my root is : "UUID=f9e0ccbb-1922-4210-982a-6ba7e0ec801c / ext3 defaults,relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 " |
| 02:58.07 | roylaprattep | openssl coming with stretch support tls1.3? |
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| 02:59.28 | somiaj | roylaprattep: I can't say off the top of my head. Do you know what version that support was introduced (one way to check), you could also check the source packge to see if it was compiled in or not (though I would assume yes if the version is new enough) |
| 02:59.55 | somiaj | The OpenSSL 1.1.1 release includes support for TLSv1.3 |
| 03:00.15 | somiaj | ,v openssl |
| 03:00.16 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u11; stretch: 1.1.0j-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0j-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.1.1c-1; sid: 1.1.1c-1 |
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| 03:00.39 | somiaj | roylaprattep: looks like no, it was introduced in 1.1.1, but stretch has 1.1.0, you'll have to wait for buster (week away) for tls1.3 |
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| 03:03.03 | roylaprattep | or wait for stretch-backport? |
| 03:03.23 | somiaj | at this point I doubt it will be put in stretch-backports |
| 03:03.50 | roylaprattep | ok |
| 03:03.54 | somiaj | stretch is becomming old stable and only ahs a year of support left, might be worth considering swithcing to buster if you want the new features |
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| 03:04.21 | somiaj | !buster release |
| 03:04.21 | dpkg | Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster |
| 03:04.22 | roylaprattep | i just switched to stretch haha |
| 03:04.37 | patterson | I just want my Old paint to take me back to the barn when I am too drunk to guide her |
| 03:04.40 | somiaj | then it is a good time to move to buster. |
| 03:05.14 | patterson | It's a box in the closet that is ignored |
| 03:05.15 | roylaprattep | i will wait for the eol of stretch |
| 03:05.30 | roylaprattep | its still lts for a while |
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| 03:06.05 | somiaj | patterson: this is not the place for off topic chatter |
| 03:06.13 | patterson | OK |
| 03:06.34 | patterson | I like Debian for it's stodgy values |
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| 03:06.47 | jmcnaught | roylaprattep: TLSv1.3 is a pretty good reason not to wait too long for buster |
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| 03:08.00 | roylaprattep | i know but the dist-upgrade gave me a little troubles that i just finished repairing, not ready to go thru this again yet |
| 03:10.03 | patterson | Stable and slow |
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| 03:28.42 | perpl | to anyone who might help: ive made an iso that boots but consistently (each boot) fails to load the networking driver it seems...its not visible (using wicd/ceni) in the hardware interfaces. Would installing network-manager (or some other way) help? Also, I had upgraded the kernel (for secu reasons to 5.1.11 and installed and removed random linux/kernel stuff like kpatch linux-perf etc - i think that might be the culprit. Moving to 4.19 would mean an hour or |
| 03:28.42 | perpl | so of work, but more importantly losing some functionality on one of my newer pc's. |
| 03:30.15 | perpl | Should I just reinstall 4.19? |
| 03:30.17 | perpl | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-5.1.11-antix.1-amd64-smp with 1. |
| 03:30.17 | perpl | run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools exited with return code 1 |
| 03:30.17 | perpl | dpkg: error processing package linux-image-5.1.11-antix.1-amd64-smp (--configure): |
| 03:30.17 | perpl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:30.19 | dpkg | perpl: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 03:31.07 | jmcnaught | perpl: please use https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 03:31.26 | jmcnaught | perpl: actually, are you using Debian, or antix? |
| 03:32.02 | perpl | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.1.11-antix.1-amd64-smp (x86_64)-- Consult /var/lib/dkms/kpatch/0.3.2/build/make.log for more information. |
| 03:32.21 | perpl | antix but the packages concerned are all debian |
| 03:32.25 | perpl | except kernel |
| 03:32.38 | jmcnaught | !antix |
| 03:32.39 | dpkg | antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems ( https://antixlinux.com/ ). It is related to MX Linux ( https://mxlinux.org/ ) which have support only in the form of forums https://www.antixforum.com/ and https://forum.mxlinux.org/ if you want IRC support, use a better supported distro like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT supported here. |
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| 03:37.54 | infinity_ | "systemd-free" ? |
| 03:37.59 | infinity_ | interesting |
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| 03:42.02 | perpl | jmcnaught are you saying #debian doesnt deal with any issues even on debian packages from debian repos? im just trying to see if others have seen similar issues and if these are solveable without rollingback going to last working iso |
| 03:43.15 | jmcnaught | perpl: this channel only supports Debian, not distros based on Debian. |
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| 03:44.26 | jmcnaught | perpl: you could try asking in ##linux if antix really doesn't have an IRC channel |
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| 04:01.02 | zapproger | I am using libre office 5 on Debian Stable and on one of my documents I inserted an image and it got really laggy so I closed it. Now I can't reopen the file! |
| 04:01.23 | zapproger | Is there any way to remove the images manually? |
| 04:02.30 | zapproger | NM I got it |
| 04:04.32 | finn0 | I've updated keyserver URL in dirmngr configuration (~/.gnupg/dirmngr.conf) file due to recent attacks on SKS keyserver. But, when I try to fetch key using gpg search (gpg --search-key <keyword>) command still, it fetch keys from SKS keyserver. |
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| 04:12.49 | finn0 | I've already tried to restart gpg-agent and dirmngr (gpgconf --kill <keyword>) but none of them worked. Then I checked dirmngr.service status (systemctl --user status dirmngr.service) it shows me inactive(dead) so, I tried to restart the dirmngr.service it shows me this "Failed to restart dirmngr.service: Operation refused, unit dirmngr.service may be requested by dependency only." Probably this is an |
| 04:12.51 | finn0 | expected behavior. |
| 04:13.56 | finn0 | So, my question is How can I reload configuration of dirmngr.conf? |
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| 04:45.40 | DEWEZ | hey |
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| 04:49.10 | DEWEZ | 1446 people and no chat |
| 04:49.13 | DEWEZ | fucking lame |
| 04:49.28 | DEWEZ | why so lame peepz |
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| 04:50.26 | Kon- | !netrunner |
| 04:50.26 | dpkg | Netrunner is an operating system <based on Debian> Testing. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.netrunner.com/ |
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| 04:53.37 | jaggz | how do you configure a kernel you're going to compile with fakeroot? |
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| 04:54.29 | jaggz | can I do make menuconfig then fakeroot after? |
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| 04:55.15 | jaggz | is make menuconfig, and immediately sa ing and exiting, going to pick debians's defaults? |
| 04:55.25 | jaggz | saving* |
| 04:55.41 | jaggz | so I can edit . config and change just one thing? |
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| 05:03.00 | somiaj | jaggz: you should copy the /boot/config-kernelyou want, then make oldconfig |
| 05:03.20 | jaggz | somiaj: thanks :) |
| 05:03.29 | somiaj | oh if you want to make a change, you still need to copy /boot/config-kernelyouwant and then make the changes you want in menuconfig |
| 05:03.39 | somiaj | make oldconfig I think is just if you want to use the config as it is |
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| 05:05.14 | jaggz | To build all possible packages for this architecture, run: |
| 05:05.16 | jaggz | $ fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 05:05.19 | jaggz | so.. don't do that? |
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| 05:06.21 | jaggz | darn -- /boot/config-4.19... was already overwritten by today's compile attempts |
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| 05:07.56 | somiaj | do you have a debian kernel installed, it should have its uname on it, or you can grab it from the source package. |
| 05:08.09 | jaggz | I did, yeah. |
| 05:08.10 | somiaj | no to build the kerel run 'make deb-pkg' |
| 05:08.22 | somiaj | I think deb-bin-pkg works too and it won't make a source package |
| 05:08.38 | jaggz | yikes |
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| 05:09.41 | jaggz | what's this "make all packages" thing? |
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| 05:10.34 | jaggz | make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'deb-bin-pkg' |
| 05:10.52 | somiaj | look at the make file for the binary only packages |
| 05:11.04 | somiaj | or just use deb-pkg (it is okay you make a source package too) |
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| 05:11.29 | jaggz | I do see it in debian/README.Debian (the make deb-pkg instruction) |
| 05:11.35 | somiaj | jaggz: that is for the debian build scripts that build all the kernels I belive, but for indvidual use just use the make deb-pkg (or the other equivlant one) |
| 05:11.57 | jaggz | but my makefile, in the main kernel source dir, doesn't seem to have a deb-anything |
| 05:12.01 | somiaj | Look at the Makefile in the kernel source, there is another one like deb-pkg (search for that) which doesn't make a source package |
| 05:12.15 | somiaj | where did you get this source? |
| 05:12.36 | somiaj | I just don't have a copy I can look at easy enough |
| 05:13.15 | jaggz | I did apt-get source linux |
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| 05:13.37 | jaggz | https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 05:13.44 | jaggz | following that page |
| 05:14.26 | blackflow | jaggz: run `make help` |
| 05:14.28 | jaggz | (links'ing to it) |
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| 05:15.27 | jaggz | make bindeb-pkg |
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| 05:15.40 | jaggz | blackflow: thanks. :) somiaj: thanks. Now I get to go afk to help family for a while |
| 05:15.44 | jaggz | so tahred... |
| 05:16.39 | jaggz | good luck kernel! 3rd time's the charm? |
| 05:17.00 | jaggz | I compiled earlier and got an error -- it said to run make mrproper .. that removed my debian/ dir and stuff.. :/ :) |
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| 05:17.10 | somiaj | oh it is bindeb-pkg, also looks like the wiki suggestes using the handbook you linked. They keep changing this, but my understanding is the deb-pkg and bindeb-pkg make targets are fine for personal kernels. |
| 05:17.51 | blackflow | packagin makefile is in scripts/Makefile, the main Makefile won't have those targets. |
| 05:17.58 | jaggz | tab completion wasn't working for the make deb-<tab> either, but ok. |
| 05:18.04 | somiaj | also I would just suggest using the linux-source package, or linux-source-4.9, this will put the linux source in /usr/src/linux you can then build, which I think might be a bit nicer than using the source package for linux (partly because that sourc epackage contains info for building packages for all arches, not just a simple kernle) |
| 05:18.06 | blackflow | scripts/package/Makefile, sorry. |
| 05:18.21 | somiaj | ,v linux-source-4.9 |
| 05:18.22 | judd | Package: linux-source-4.9 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9.30-2+deb9u5; stretch-security: 4.9.65-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.9.65-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 4.9.88-1+deb9u1; jessie-security: 4.9.110-3+deb9u2~deb8u1; stretch-security: 4.9.110-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 4.9.110-3+deb9u6; jessie-security: 4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1; stretch: 4.9.168-1; jessie-security: |
| 05:18.24 | judd | 4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.168-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 |
| 05:18.53 | jaggz | too many to list? no buster? |
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| 05:19.36 | jaggz | mine shows 4.19.37-5 |
| 05:19.46 | jaggz | ,v linux-source-4.19 |
| 05:19.47 | judd | Package: linux-source-4.19 on amd64 -- sid: 4.19.37-3; stretch-backports: 4.19.37-4~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19.37-5 |
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| 05:20.09 | jaggz | well, it's compiling... let's see how it goes |
| 05:20.17 | jaggz | thanks again. bbiab |
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| 05:20.47 | jaggz | I'm doing this all for this damned nvidia stuff. tensorflow needed a newer nvidia driver (396) |
| 05:20.47 | somiaj | jaggz: in buster it will be linux-source-4.19 (or just linux-source to pull in the current linux source) |
| 05:20.58 | jaggz | shakes fist at #nvidia ;) |
| 05:21.01 | somiaj | this sounds like overkill for nvidia |
| 05:21.06 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:21.07 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; sid/non-free: 418.74-1; experimental/non-free: 430.14-1 |
| 05:21.23 | somiaj | 418 is already in buster, which is newer than 396 |
| 05:21.39 | jaggz | I think 418 was too new for my old geforce 970 |
| 05:21.52 | jaggz | if I'm understanding correctly |
| 05:22.24 | somiaj | then 396 might also be too new |
| 05:22.43 | somiaj | debian privdes -legacy packages for older cards |
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| 05:25.07 | somiaj | nvidia sayds the 418 driver supports the geforce gtx 970 |
| 05:26.11 | somiaj | that supports all the way back to the 600 series. So I don't see why you need to recompile your kernel to get a newer nvidia driver, 418 is fairly new (430 is the newest) |
| 05:26.37 | somiaj | 2019.5.7 -- release date, so fairly new (note 430 might still be beta) |
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| 05:29.13 | jaggz | I had a hell of a time getting anything to work until I went to 390.. what a pain. |
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| 05:30.21 | jaggz | which package would you install for 418? |
| 05:30.55 | jaggz | I wonder if all the cuda stuff and whatnot also come along with it |
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| 07:13.03 | Lyberta | hi, is there a way to undo chown? |
| 07:13.33 | Lyberta | oh no, chmod |
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| 07:13.45 | fiet | Lyberta: Not unless you've made a backup |
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| 07:15.04 | blackflow | Lyberta: undo? no. change again? yes. did you use -R with it? |
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| 07:16.34 | Lyberta | fiet, blackflow, I was very stupid and did "chmod 4755 newuidmap" and "chmod 4755 newgidmap" in /usr/bin, maybe I can reinstall package that provides them? |
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| 07:21.40 | blackflow | Lyberta: sure, the "uidmap" package. Try that. |
| 07:21.57 | fiet | Lyberta: That would be what I would try. It wouldn't hurt to make a tar backup with preserved rights before you try to do anything. |
| 07:22.31 | blackflow | but something tells me those were the modes to begin with? |
| 07:22.51 | fiet | Oh you chmodded only 2 files? |
| 07:23.03 | Lyberta | fiet, yes |
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| 07:23.25 | fiet | You can easily search for those files in a package to vie what the permissions should be |
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| 07:23.56 | Lyberta | blackflow, oh, I asked a friend and apparently this is default, it's just lxc gave me strange message about no flag and I input random advice from the internet |
| 07:24.47 | blackflow | yes, I looked it up now, they're suid binaries, so that's their mode anyway |
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| 07:25.38 | blackflow | "I input random advice from the internet" -- tsk tsk tsk :) |
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| 08:42.35 | airwind | https://packagecloud.io/AtomEditor/atom/gpgkey |
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| 09:49.50 | lbr | o/ Any chance someone knows who is responsible for Debian forums these days? http://forums.debian.net/ |
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| 10:05.26 | jaggz | darnit.. this thing again: /usr/bin/kdeinit5: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Current |
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| 10:07.25 | jaggz | that libGL.so.1 is 3 symlinks away to a final /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.7.0 |
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| 10:09.56 | jaggz | which dpkg -S says is a diversion by glx-diversions |
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| 10:17.00 | jaggz | it looks like it eventually comes from: libgl1:amd64, which reinstalling just puts the same failing file in that place. |
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| 10:26.29 | BCMM | jaggz: what release are you using? |
| 10:28.13 | BCMM | i think at some point it changed from libgl being provided by a graphics driver (potentially through symlinks), to having a "vendor neutral dispatch library" or something, that works out which implementation to forwards calls through using, uh, i don't know actually |
| 10:28.32 | jaggz | BCMM: buster |
| 10:28.58 | jaggz | I think I got further (saw a KDE logo before X quit) after removing libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 10:29.54 | jaggz | but maybe that's what's causing: /usr/bin/ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libEGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 10:33.35 | regdude | Hi! I need to limit disk read speeds per process child. Parent A has 10 childs and each of them can read only at 1MB/s. Does anyone know if it is possible with cgroups? |
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| 10:42.12 | jaggz | ooh.. I'm in X. I look broken, but I'm in X |
| 10:44.15 | cybercrypto | regdude: I think it is possible using cgroup and blkio controller. |
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| 10:45.17 | jaggz | my fonts are all weird and hard on my eyes.. and my taskbar items are scrambled and missing letters: https://i.imgur.com/QdjjSDU.png |
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| 10:45.50 | jaggz | BCMM, take a look at that nice image :) |
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| 10:50.21 | jaggz | so.. I can't use x11 properly.. but tensorflow runs so I can do neural networks |
| 10:50.24 | jaggz | sighs |
| 10:51.07 | cybercrypto | regdude: take a look at this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48138/how-to-throttle-per-process-i-o-to-a-max-limit. They have also sugested to use ionice in a different approach to manage io. |
| 10:51.31 | jaggz | cybercrypto, damn, I was gonna mention to him to do searches with "throttle" in them |
| 10:51.38 | jaggz | didn't feel I knew it well enough |
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| 10:53.16 | cybercrypto | jaggz: nice, thank you |
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| 10:55.10 | jaggz | BCMM, looks like the non-vendor stuff was the way.. wow.. this was not easy. |
| 10:56.34 | jaggz | I *think* things are working after a reboot |
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| 11:01.24 | choice | Hello! I did "apt install mysql-server" and it installed MySql I think. But now running "mysql" gives me: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2 "No such file or directory") |
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| 11:02.56 | choice | Oh, looks like the install did not start the server. |
| 11:03.04 | choice | I think it was differrent in the past. |
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| 11:07.02 | regdude | cybercrypto: I did find this article about cgroups, but it require me to to know the PID. The problem is that the parent starts multiple processes with a different PID. I read that specifying the parent PID will have an effect on childs as well, but I am not sure if the limit is shared or the limit is per child. I think it is a shared limit |
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| 11:35.14 | queip | after over 1 week, still debian is vuleranble to remote code execuction in firefox |
| 11:35.27 | queip | did debian lose it's ability to be a somewhat secure system? |
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| 11:36.10 | lbr | queip, links? |
| 11:36.15 | queip | typical windows user is long ago secure, by firefox self-updeate, why debian isn't |
| 11:36.27 | queip | lbr: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 |
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| 11:37.27 | lisbeths | I am using debian in virtualbox and debian reports that it is out of storage space, but my virtual disc is dynamically sized |
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| 11:39.56 | lbr | queip, that's a good point. Latest advisory for 60.7.1 (current stable) does not include 11708: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2019-18/ |
| 11:40.19 | lbr | Anyone from Security Team can shed some light on the above? |
| 11:40.33 | queip | lisbeths: well you have to resize it somehow in the vm manager... disk can not have "infinite" space. command lsblk to see how much sace it now has. then resive it in VM manager, then use LVM etc to reside it in debian (be careful, make backup first) |
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| 11:40.51 | lisbeths | thanks |
| 11:41.26 | NetTerminalGene | queip, yeah it got my attention also |
| 11:42.15 | NetTerminalGene | buster is up to date |
| 11:42.25 | queip | themill: can someone make debian secure again |
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| 11:43.51 | diogenes_ | queip, Trump. |
| 11:44.08 | queip | sure but he's busy |
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| 11:44.40 | queip | what takes so hellishly long to fix the darn firefox, is one of most used apps and has RCE |
| 11:45.16 | lbr | queip, look, I think if we just rant here, it won't help. Would you draft an e-mail to sec-team? |
| 11:46.02 | diogenes_ | queip, firefox is going astray and is getting more and more compromised and it's none of debian fault, it's mozillas' team. |
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| 11:46.33 | queip | lbr: Hello security team. We, debian desktop users, are very worried that one of the most popular apps - Firefox - remains open to RCE for over a week now (in stable debian). CVE-2019-11708 . Can fixing such critical (on desktop) apps be prioritized? |
| 11:46.34 | Tazmain | mozilla did fix the two RCE;s |
| 11:46.54 | humpled | some people love to rant |
| 11:47.03 | queip | humpled: got a better plan? |
| 11:47.21 | humpled | donate |
| 11:47.44 | humpled | you want them to fix one thing and break two others? |
| 11:47.55 | lbr | queip, something like that. https://security-team.debian.org/contact.html |
| 11:47.58 | queip | humpled: yes |
| 11:48.21 | humpled | (shrugs) |
| 11:48.23 | NetTerminalGene | queip, use firejail |
| 11:48.32 | NetTerminalGene | sandbox software |
| 11:48.43 | queip | NetTerminalGene: firefox itself includes important secrets, like passes to importan pages |
| 11:48.56 | queip | work around can be to use chromium for now |
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| 11:49.14 | queip | perhaps firefox should be removed (release upgrade that replaces firefox with null) until fixed, and tell users to use chromium |
| 11:49.36 | Tazmain | chrome isn't an answer lol |
| 11:49.42 | NetTerminalGene | i think chromim gets less update |
| 11:49.45 | queip | Tazmain: well just a work around? |
| 11:50.05 | kts | Chromium doesn't play some videos. |
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| 11:50.17 | Tazmain | but the two RCE's that were made known last week has already been patches? |
| 11:50.19 | Tazmain | patched ** |
| 11:50.43 | queip | Tazmain: not in debian testing. in debian afair experimental, and in mozilla's own binaries, and e.g. on windows |
| 11:50.53 | queip | and on some distros like mint |
| 11:50.59 | Tazmain | arch is fixed I know |
| 11:51.14 | Tazmain | but they fixed it in like a day of it being made public |
| 11:51.37 | queip | Tazmain: icluding exactly CVE-2019-11708 ? there were several bugs near at same time |
| 11:52.03 | NetTerminalGene | i use latest firefox from mozilla binary |
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| 11:52.12 | NetTerminalGene | it is up to date |
| 11:52.46 | Unit193 | queip: "Not in testing" do you have proof? Because https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 would most certainly indicate you are wrong. |
| 11:52.50 | Tazmain | queip, yeah 67.0.4 fixed it |
| 11:53.14 | Tazmain | that bug is also in thunderbird fyi |
| 11:53.34 | queip | Unit193: not in testing? it is not fixed in STABLE |
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| 11:55.35 | Unit193 | That is indeed what you said. Anywho, looks like 60.7.1esr-1 just made it the 30th, so it's likely 60.7.2esr-1 will be there soon. |
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| 11:56.32 | lbr | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable?filter=1&filter=high_urgency ... |
| 11:57.06 | lbr | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/testing?filter=1&filter=high_urgency - much better. |
| 12:00.00 | queip | humpled: can you donate to debian without fear of it going to some political bullshit like debian woman |
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| 12:01.21 | lbr | I'm not sure you can donate to Debian directly... At least last time I've checked there was no obvious "DONATE HERE" button. |
| 12:01.25 | kts | Damn, that's true |
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| 12:02.59 | jelly | ,v firefox-esr |
| 12:03.00 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.7.0esr-1; jessie-security: 60.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.7.2esr-1 |
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| 12:03.32 | themill | there will apparently be a DSA for firefox-esr in a few hours |
| 12:03.53 | jelly | I think I like how buster is prioritized |
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| 12:04.55 | themill | That's two different teams, but yes, there will have been a desire to make sure the package on the ISO / 0th point release was fixed |
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| 12:14.34 | BCMM | jelly: stable should be prioritised |
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| 12:15.14 | BCMM | buster can be prioritised from saturday... |
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| 12:16.26 | jelly | BCMM: good thing there are different people working on each, then |
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| 12:19.28 | BCMM | anyway, i know queip was an obvious troll and stuff, but what *is* going on with firefox-esr being delayed this long? 60.7.1 was in Stable on release day |
| 12:19.36 | lbr | re. CVE-2019-11708, I've notified #debian-security at OFTC. Hopefully will get the ball rolling. |
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| 12:21.02 | peaceguy | hello |
| 12:21.12 | soulreap | hi |
| 12:21.22 | themill | BCMM: Given that it's not actually a remote exploit, there's every chance it was not prioritised |
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| 12:21.50 | peaceguy | if we have only cli installation, how can we use multiple monitors, so that what we see is on all of the monitors? |
| 12:21.52 | BCMM | themill: it's just a sandbox escape, that would have to be paired with a real RCE to actually do anything, right? |
| 12:21.59 | themill | yes |
| 12:22.09 | peaceguy | there is no gui in this installation, only command line interface, and we want to use multiple monitors |
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| 12:22.24 | soulreap | and to be able to switch between screens |
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| 12:23.33 | pyfgcr | peaceguy: you want different content on each screen? |
| 12:24.00 | soulreap | yes |
| 12:24.07 | wvdakker | when does buster get its security-support? Or is it available at launch? |
| 12:24.33 | peaceguy | yes like screen/tmux windows, each one on separate monitor |
| 12:25.00 | BCMM | themill: i'm just curious as to how that prioritisation works. Debian seems to almost always bump firefox-esr same day or next day. |
| 12:25.14 | jelly | .peaceguy: multiseat on framebuffer console is not available by default on linux. When all monitors work, you just get the same console output on all of them. |
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| 12:25.43 | soulreap | jelly: can it be instaled? |
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| 12:27.01 | peaceguy | yes how can we make it differentiate between the monitors, so that not everything is stretched |
| 12:27.16 | peaceguy | but it knows which monitor is which, and displays the screens accordingly |
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| 12:28.10 | pyfgcr | peaceguy: appearently there exists kmscon for this, but I never tried it |
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| 12:28.30 | peaceguy | alright we will see, thank you |
| 12:28.39 | soulreap | yes thanks all |
| 12:28.49 | jelly | soulreap: I have no idea, sorry |
| 12:29.40 | soulreap | ok cool we wil research it :D |
| 12:29.53 | peaceguy | yes :D |
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| 12:52.37 | Tazmain | Hi all, would I need to enable different repo's if I want to get erlang 21 ? |
| 12:52.51 | Tazmain | or is using this package https://www.erlang-solutions.com/resources/download.html fine ? |
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| 12:53.37 | BCMM | Tazmain: erland 21 seems to be in Buster's repos |
| 12:54.10 | BCMM | Tazmain: Buster is currently "Testing", but it's set to become the new stable distro in something like six days |
| 12:54.25 | Tazmain | so I can download that then |
| 12:54.31 | Tazmain | well here we go again lol. |
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| 13:07.00 | tabakhase | uhm, raid10 monthly check cron -- it seems other members jump to "resync=DELAYED" instantly, shouldnt that be "check=DELAYED"? (at least thats what syslog says...) |
| 13:07.05 | tabakhase | (mdraid obvs) |
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| 13:25.04 | olavx200 | Hey #gentoo. Will i have to change useflags during installation to have a working system or can i do it afterwards? |
| 13:26.02 | BCMM | olavx200: this is #debian. |
| 13:26.21 | STMelon | smh |
| 13:26.47 | olavx200 | :/ |
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| 13:28.57 | olavx200 | Sorry about that lol. |
| 13:29.13 | lbr | "Wrong door" |
| 13:30.07 | olavx200 | http://tinyurl.com/y6fd8ovo theyre right next to each other |
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| 13:41.24 | nixonix | buster and gpg --keyserver etc as root: gpg: connecting dirmngr at '/root/.gnupg/S.dirmngr' failed: IPC connect call failed - and gpg: keyserver receive failed: No dirmngr |
| 13:41.52 | nixonix | works as a standard user, but not as root. any ideas? |
| 13:42.08 | themill | running gpg as root sounds like a bad idea? |
| 13:42.25 | nixonix | so its prevented? |
| 13:42.49 | nixonix | i read a few year old bug raport, that had similar symptoms. at least then it was considered as a bug |
| 13:42.50 | themill | no sure, but there is no need for it to be talking to the network as root |
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| 13:44.42 | dvs | Wow. Buster worked! |
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| 13:47.57 | themill | be less surprised! :) |
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| 13:51.43 | dvs | heh |
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| 14:37.51 | genericum | Is there a Debian mobile channel? |
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| 14:39.32 | jasonwc | Is Debian Testing designed to be upgraded, after a long delay, to the next stable release? I had a testing install which I last updated in May 2018. I just upgraded it to Buster and the upgrade worked, but it removed some important packages like gnome-session, and was wondering if it was worth submitting a bug report. I assume that upgrades are only tested from one stable release to another. |
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| 14:40.00 | trackanddirt | genericum: /msg alis LIST searchterm |
| 14:40.23 | themill | yeah, upgrades are only tested for stableâstable and testing is mostly a series of short hops |
| 14:42.02 | genericum | How can I prevent a packet from being installed even if it is selected by dependency? |
| 14:43.52 | trackanddirt | $ echo "mate-terminal hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:43.52 | trackanddirt | $ sudo apt-get install mate-core |
| 14:44.47 | genericum | trackanddirt: ty |
| 14:45.02 | themill | genericum: if it's a dependency you can't. What are you trying to achieve. |
| 14:45.14 | trackanddirt | I think you can also do apt-get install xorg mate-core --without xterm mate-terminal |
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| 14:46.39 | genericum | trackanddirt: is the hold method permanent? |
| 14:47.22 | trackanddirt | I believe so, you would need to do an "unhold" |
| 14:47.59 | themill | Perhaps it would be better to find out what's actually wanted and come up with something that works? |
| 14:48.19 | genericum | trackanddirt just to make sure :) |
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| 14:48.59 | trackanddirt | If it is a dependent pkg, the install will fail though |
| 14:48.59 | genericum | Take this pulseaudio :) |
| 14:49.43 | themill | !wayttd genericum |
| 14:49.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, genericum? |
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| 14:50.59 | genericum | I don't care if the sound doesn't work but pulseaudio is pulled in and I'm sick of deleting it |
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| 14:52.34 | genericum | I have another question is there a way to prevent a user from changing alsa mixer levels? |
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| 14:53.17 | greycat | Make sure the arm restraints are tight enough. |
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| 14:54.00 | trackanddirt | sudo chmod o-x $(which command) would make a command sudo only lol |
| 14:54.18 | genericum | Greycat: some funny pulseaudio programs are changing my mixer levels ... |
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| 14:54.59 | themill | would suggest flat-volumes = no but there's no point |
| 14:56.03 | genericum | Greycat: and watch -n1 alsactrl restore can't be a permanent solution |
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| 14:56.36 | greycat | Sounds like you have a different question now. Maybe someone who uses pulseaudio will know how to answer it. |
| 14:57.12 | genericum | It's about alsa actually ... |
| 14:57.32 | genericum | I prefer not to use pulseaudio |
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| 14:57.37 | trackanddirt | flat-volumes = yes # Prevent messing with the master volume |
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| 14:58.36 | themill | trackanddirt: please stop :( |
| 14:58.51 | genericum | trackanddirt that's the pulseaudio.conf file... |
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| 14:59.07 | genericum | Not exactly what I'm looking for |
| 14:59.17 | trackanddirt | daemon.conf* |
| 14:59.38 | cshzg | genericum what sound daemon do you use? |
| 14:59.40 | genericum | Or can I use this in asound.conf ? |
| 14:59.58 | somiaj | genericum: then remove alsa |
| 15:00.08 | somiaj | genericum: arg, then remove pulseaudio, or at least disable/mask its service. |
| 15:00.40 | genericum | somiaj problem is sdl does it too |
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| 15:06.46 | morthbandt | :-D |
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| 15:08.30 | morthbandt | Weià jemand wann etwas Buster freigegeben wird? |
| 15:08.40 | Logg | it comes out on July 6th morthbandt |
| 15:08.54 | Logg | also this channel is English only lol |
| 15:08.59 | morthbandt | okay |
| 15:09.17 | morthbandt | the banner message are german. |
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| 15:09.38 | Logg | we're seeing different banners... :-) |
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| 15:11.23 | morthbandt | i have a problems with USB-WLAN-Adapter and network-manager. dhclient fails. If i switch zu wicd or connman, then it's working fine. Anybody else here, who have this problem? |
| 15:12.03 | Logg | No, but you should check the chip controller and see if you need proprietary firmware to support it morthbandt |
| 15:12.26 | Logg | oh... wait no, if it works with wicd then firmware is fine |
| 15:12.58 | Logg | no idea. Could be networking issue, maybe wicd sets ip address staticly |
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| 15:13.25 | jmcnaught | Could be clues in the logs: journalctl -u NetworkManager |
| 15:13.28 | jezebel | what does dhclient say? |
| 15:13.54 | jezebel | dhclient -v or systemd journal or kernel message |
| 15:14.39 | morthbandt | i know the firmware problems. Sometimes (<5%) does it work with network.manager. i have tried 4 diffrent USB-WLAN-Adapters, and fresh install. All times same result: wicd works, and network-manager works only under 5%. |
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| 15:15.19 | jmcnaught | Are wicd and NetworkManger installed at the same time? |
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| 15:16.39 | morthbandt | Same computers with PCI-WLAN-Adapter works correctly. Network-manager established the Connectionen, but i became no ip-address. |
| 15:17.01 | morthbandt | No wicd an network-manager truly not installed at same time. |
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| 15:18.09 | Logg | Doesn't make much sense to me. Try wiresharking or use the utility "dhcpdump" to see where it gets stuck morthbandt |
| 15:18.13 | morthbandt | i use debian for many years, but this problem are only on buster. |
| 15:18.43 | Logg | with both wicd and dhclient |
| 15:19.09 | morthbandt | i will try tcpdump to watch for dhcp-packages.... |
| 15:19.41 | morthbandt | the problem is only with network-manager. |
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| 15:22.35 | morthbandt | But, can i monitor the Interface while connecting? The network-manager resets the interface. I think, tcpdump will be interrupted |
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| 15:25.17 | morthbandt | Logg, where have you read the information that buster release at 6th of July? |
| 15:25.32 | greycat | !buster release |
| 15:25.32 | dpkg | Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster |
| 15:26.44 | Logg | morthbandt, dhcpdump is specialized for looking at dhcp traffic. You can (and possibly should) also inspect the dhcp server side, if you're able to. |
| 15:27.10 | Logg | I've done it with tcpdump by just putting it in a `while true; do tcpdump; done` before I knew about dhcpdump |
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| 15:30.05 | morthbandt | i will try at my test-maschines tomorrow. unfortunately can i not debug the dhcp-server, it's a Securepoint Firewall, where is no option to install additional tools. |
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| 15:30.44 | Logg | Could use a span port to monitor it, but that can be difficult to set up. |
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| 15:30.53 | morthbandt | I think, i got to the Debian Release Party in Tübingen (Germany) at Saturday. |
| 15:30.59 | morthbandt | Just for Fun. |
| 15:31.04 | Logg | :-) |
| 15:32.17 | morthbandt | I know what you mean. At the managed switch. But it's easier to install a seperate WLAN with dhcp-server.... |
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| 15:50.34 | javashin | someone knows a alternative updated to this https://store.kde.org/p/1080783/ |
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| 16:13.51 | dob1 | hi, what is the best way to fill all the space of a partition with a file with random data ? |
| 16:14.33 | dob1 | I deleted some files from this partition and I want to be sure they can't be recoverable, this is a right way, right? |
| 16:15.03 | trackanddirt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.04 | Logg | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdX status=progress. you may run out of randomness though, so consider using /dev/zero |
| 16:15.23 | dob1 | this will fill thje partition, It's not better a file? |
| 16:15.40 | dob1 | dd if=/dev/urandom of=something |
| 16:15.51 | Logg | a file will fill free space, writing directly to the device file will fill all space, even the used space. |
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| 16:16.30 | dob1 | Logg, so the file way is good too? |
| 16:16.44 | Logg | if you don't want to delete all data on the partition, you should write out to a file on the mounted partition. |
| 16:17.03 | dob1 | Logg, this was my idea |
| 16:17.10 | nevivurn | A lot of the documentation around packaging says that I should build new packages in sid. I'm looking to package stuff purely for internal use (and for debian stable), am I right in disregarding all that and doing my packaging in stable? |
| 16:17.50 | Logg | nevivurn, https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 16:23.14 | nevivurn | Logg: the stuff I'm packaging is purely internal and has not been already packaged |
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| 16:24.08 | nevivurn | It's also being actively developed, so I'd like to have a proper build & packaging process so it doesn't bite us later |
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| 16:29.36 | karlpinc | nevivurn: FYI, the #debian-mentors channel on irc.oftc.net is for developers packaging for Debian. I don't know if they're solely focused on packaging for debian itself or do other packaging support. |
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| 16:32.02 | nevivurn | Ok, will check out if I don't get any answers here. |
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| 16:33.08 | somiaj | #packaging on irc.oftc.net is for packaging questions, #debian-mentors is for getting packages into debian (and meting debian policy with ones package) |
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| 16:36.51 | rwp | dob1, Regarding securely erasing files: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html ("In order to ensure that ext3 can safely resume an unlink after a crash, it actually zeros out the block pointers in the inode, whereas |
| 16:36.55 | rwp | ext2 just marks these blocks as unused in the block bitmaps and marks the inode as "deleted" and leaves the block pointers alone") |
| 16:37.28 | rwp | Which means that you would need to shred the file in place. |
| 16:37.58 | rwp | Otherwise just fill the disk with a file using /dev/zero until it is 100%. Would need to be root to make use of the 5% reserved blocks. |
| 16:39.02 | rwp | nevivurn, If it is for your own internal use then you get to do whatever is best for you. Which sounds like building and packaging on the release suite that you are using. |
| 16:39.21 | dob1 | rwp, unfortunately I am doing this on an usb stick, fat32, so I am dealing with the problem of creating several random files (no more than 4GB size) |
| 16:39.40 | nevivurn | Yeah, makes sense. Thanks! |
| 16:39.42 | rwp | nevivurn, Building for unstable is for the upstream Debian repositories for which the process flow is that things enter into Unstable first. |
| 16:40.37 | nevivurn | I was worried it was something like the build tools themselves being outdated in stable or something, guess not. |
| 16:40.45 | rwp | dob1, Oh.. USB stick. Then there must be cautions stated about those often having no wear leveling. It is possible to wear them out! Unlike SSDs or even SD cards which are *supposed* to have wear leveling. |
| 16:41.28 | rwp | nevivurn, It really has more to do with monotonically increasing release versions of all packages. |
| 16:41.41 | rwp | In the main upstream Debian repositories. |
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| 16:42.23 | dob1 | rwp, what is wear leveling? |
| 16:42.44 | nevivurn | Huh, what do you mean with the versions? |
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| 16:43.22 | karlpinc | nevivurn: Newer version numbers must be "bigger" than any existing version numbers. |
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| 16:43.41 | tabakhase | dob1 if you write a 1mb file, this will always get stored in flashChips 1-1024 for example, so they will die -- while 1025-9999999 are "virgin" -- leveling randomizes that |
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| 16:44.18 | rwp | Awesome. I got two huhs back to back. :-/ |
| 16:44.56 | rwp | Wear Leveling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling |
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| 16:45.19 | humpled | levelling |
| 16:47.04 | nevivurn | Ah, that makes sense |
| 16:49.05 | Primer | humpled: the trick is, if the accent is on the last sylable, you double up the ll's. LE-ve-ling |
| 16:49.16 | Primer | TRA-ve-ling |
| 16:49.33 | humpled | there's no trick |
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| 16:49.41 | Primer | there is |
| 16:49.46 | Primer | I just told you it |
| 16:49.54 | jmcnaught | It's a difference between American and British/Canadian spelling |
| 16:49.55 | humpled | also, syllable |
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| 16:54.13 | Primer | It's one rule I know regarding the spelling of such words. If that differs in en_GB, that's news to me. TIL... |
| 16:56.41 | karlpinc | dob1: You also need to be careful using flash/ssds. Because of write-amplification filling the whole disk can make it a lot slower, depending on whether the disk itself reserves free space to avoid the problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_amplification |
| 16:57.14 | Primer | Doesn't the firmware in modern SSDs take care of that? |
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| 16:59.43 | karlpinc | Primer: Depends on whether the marketing department wants to sell "bigger" SSDs. If so, they don't reserve the space needed to avoid re-writing already written blocks. I'm not really tracking it, but I don't believe it's a problem that can be solved in firmware. |
| 17:01.31 | Primer | karlpinc: So it's still up to the user to use SSD...conscientiously? |
| 17:01.58 | karlpinc | Primer: It would depend on the drive's engineering. |
| 17:02.14 | Primer | And commodity stuff is likely to be just that |
| 17:02.35 | Primer | meaning one _should_ take precautions when one has an SSD? |
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| 17:03.27 | Primer | I recall that when SSDs came out, it was recommended that daily indexing (i.e. mlocate) should not be necessary |
| 17:03.36 | karlpinc | I do. Although it now occurs to me that I didn't secure erase a used flash drive I installed the other day.... :-( |
| 17:03.47 | Primer | yet that was hardly true. One could not just use find as a replacement for locate |
| 17:04.17 | Primer | On an fs with a lot of content |
| 17:04.36 | Primer | I just switched to running the cron to once a week |
| 17:06.07 | Henry151 | hi folks, I'm looking here: https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps and it says to get android-sdk-helper from buster, is that the right way to go about this? |
| 17:06.17 | Primer | That's really the only thing I did when I got my first SSD on Linux |
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| 17:07.51 | Battaglin | you mean linux on ssd ? |
| 17:07.52 | Battaglin | :D |
| 17:09.29 | karlpinc | Henry151: Stable is pretty old at this point, so I can see people wanting the buster version. FYI, buster is due out on the 10th. |
| 17:09.50 | annadane | 6th... |
| 17:09.59 | Henry151 | i see |
| 17:10.11 | jmcnaught | However installing the buster version on stretch isn't the greatest idea |
| 17:10.57 | Henry151 | i look forward to upgrading. However, for the moment, I just want to compile an android app from within debian, from the command line with .gradlew ... and I am trying to figure out why I'm getting a "Failed to install the following Android SDK packages as some licences have not been accepted." message, and so I'm trying to make sure I have everything prepared properly |
| 17:11.18 | Henry151 | yeah, i hear that trying to mix versions is a bad idea |
| 17:11.25 | karlpinc | Yeah. I see that's what the wiki suggests. Might be better to self-backport. Which reminds me, did you look in backports to see if there's a comperable version there? |
| 17:11.30 | Henry151 | so that's why I was hesitant to follow that guidance in the wiki. |
| 17:11.50 | karlpinc | ,v android-sdk-helper |
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| 17:11.51 | judd | Package: android-sdk-helper on amd64 -- sid: 0.1 |
| 17:11.53 | Henry151 | I didn't look myself, but in the wiki right there it says "Right now, android-sdk-helper is not available in stretch backports, so we will have to add testing/buster repository. " |
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| 17:12.32 | Henry151 | I'm not even 100% sure that i *need* android-sdk-helper -- I've never tried to build an android app before so i'm in new territory here |
| 17:12.51 | karlpinc | The judd bot says the package is only in sid. |
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| 17:13.12 | Henry151 | is sid = buster? |
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| 17:13.41 | karlpinc | Henry151: No testing=buster |
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| 17:14.16 | Henry151 | so even if i followed the guidance in the wiki, there may not exist android-sdk-helper in buster, am i understanding correctly? |
| 17:14.31 | dob1 | karlpinc, so another idea, if I copy the file on the usb disk, delete and recreate the partition table on it and the I copy the files again, I can sure that older files can't be recovered? |
| 17:14.50 | jmcnaught | Henry151: correct, android-sdk-helper is not in buster, the instructions on that wiki page are outdated |
| 17:15.22 | Henry151 | to avoid the famous "xy problem", let me restate my actual goals -- I have cloned an github repository for an android app, made some tiny modifications (just the image resources, to make the app look differently) and I am trying to build it |
| 17:16.50 | karlpinc | dob1: It all depends on your threat model, what you expect your attacker to be willing to do and what they might be trying to find out. |
| 17:17.01 | Henry151 | so, I have run apt install android-sdk android-sdk-platform-23 libgradle-android-plugin-java and navigated to my project root directory, and ran ./gradlew clean build, and I am getting an arror "Failed to install the following Android SDK packages as some licences have not been accepted." with several packages listed. |
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| 17:17.23 | Henry151 | so, i'm trying to accept the licenses. |
| 17:18.29 | Henry151 | so, I looked in /usr/lib/android-sdk/tools/bin/ for "sdkmanager" and did not find it. |
| 17:18.40 | Henry151 | That brings us to the present. Any tips? |
| 17:18.50 | karlpinc | ,checkbackport android-sdk-helper |
| 17:18.52 | judd | Backporting package android-sdk-helper in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 17:19.02 | karlpinc | !ssb |
| 17:19.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:19.28 | Henry151 | looks like android-sdk-helper exists in backports, if i understand that correctly? |
| 17:19.49 | karlpinc | Henry151: The above means you can easily self-backport android-sdk-helper. |
| 17:20.14 | karlpinc | Henry151: I don't know how far that goes to solving your real problem, or even just what that problem is. |
| 17:20.49 | bionade24 | I have to repair a installation with a broken libc from a friend who silly and doesn't have backups. I chrooted into with busybox and now I stuck with reinstalling libc. I always get dpkg: corrupted data |
| 17:20.50 | karlpinc | Henry151: (Feel free to update the wiki. :) |
| 17:20.54 | Henry151 | thank you karlpinc ... I have never "self-backported" anything, so i'm not sure how i would do that.. The problem i'm having closely resembles this one: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39760172/you-have-not-accepted-the-license-agreements-of-the-following-sdk-components |
| 17:21.19 | karlpinc | Henry151: The above gives the steps for self-backporting. |
| 17:22.20 | bionade24 | Can anyone please help me? |
| 17:22.24 | karlpinc | bionade24: Perhaps the filesystem is corrupt? Or the disk is failing. If the latter, the first step is to copy everything off the disk. (Best done at the device level with dd, or even ddrescue.) |
| 17:23.23 | bionade24 | karlpinc: When it is corrupt I couldn't have mounted it, could I? |
| 17:23.56 | karlpinc | bionade24: Sure. Depends on how badly corrupted. |
| 17:25.08 | karlpinc | bionade24: Anyway, it would not hurt at all to copy off "the important stuff". |
| 17:25.22 | bionade24 | karlpinc: But when using dd I copy the entire corrupt FS with it, don't I? |
| 17:25.51 | karlpinc | bionade24: Yes. But then you have the data on known good hardware. You can then repair the fs, or copy what you can from the broken fs, etc. |
| 17:26.44 | karlpinc | bionade24: Spinning disks (especially) fail increasingly catastrophically, so the more you use them the more likely that _everything_ will be un-recoverable. |
| 17:27.13 | bionade24 | bionade24: Internet says that the error message is caused by a broken dpkg database. Isn't this rather the cause? |
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| 17:27.31 | Henry151 | i was also looking at eclim |
| 17:27.34 | jhutchins_wk | bionade24: Did you chroot to the partition, or just mount it? |
| 17:27.35 | Henry151 | wrong room |
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| 17:28.02 | bionade24 | jhutchins_wk: I chrooted into and mount /dev, /sys, /proc before |
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| 17:28.26 | jhutchins_wk | bionade24: It would probably be a good idea to fsck the partition with it un-mounted first. |
| 17:28.32 | karlpinc | bionade24: That's the proximate cause. But what caused the dpkg database to be broken? |
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| 17:29.03 | bionade24 | karlpinc: His insanity. But will try fsck, thanks. |
| 17:30.58 | jhutchins_wk | bionade24: You might be able to use aptitude reinstall. |
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| 17:31.26 | bionade24 | jhutchins_wk: aptitude and apt aren't working, of course. They need libc |
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| 17:31.40 | jhutchins_wk | Oh. Fun. |
| 17:32.14 | bionade24 | jhutchins_wk: xD |
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| 17:34.56 | bionade24 | jasonwc: karlpinc: fsck says everything is fine. So it's caused by dpkg 's db. But there is also the --root option of dpkg instead of chroot. Will try this now. |
| 17:35.49 | jhutchins_wk | bionade24: Assuming your host system is the same release, you could check which binaries the libc package installs, and copy them over to the damaged system. I would re-install the package if that works. |
| 17:36.28 | jhutchins_wk | bionade24: It's also possible that the .deb you downloaded has a bad checksum. |
| 17:37.25 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: I am curious why you mention this. That sounds very unlikely. How would it happen/ |
| 17:37.27 | karlpinc | ? |
| 17:37.41 | bionade24 | jhutchins_wk: Sadly, these are more than 30 essential locations. I'll try to download again. I hava a grml livestick, so won't work anyway:( |
| 17:38.12 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: As in "The package has the right checksum but something broke in the download to corrupt the file?" |
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| 17:45.24 | bionade24 | jhutchins_wk: karlpinc: Tried now with dpkg's --root /mnt option. Then I get "unknown user 'geoclue' in stateoverride file" How can I force this? |
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| 17:57.25 | jhutchins_wk | bionade24: I would not expect corruption if the checksum matched. |
| 17:58.55 | karlpinc | bionade24: Looking at "man dpkg-statoverride" I don't see why --root would not have solved your problem. Your mounted /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride file does not have "geoclue" in it? |
| 17:59.18 | bionade24 | jhutchins_wk: There is everything ok, so it's causedk, but I can't repair it (libc programs needed) So I tried the way above |
| 17:59.29 | karlpinc | bionade24: I see there is a backup file in my /var/lib/dpkg/ dir for statoverride. Maybe yours is borked and you need to go back to the backup? |
| 18:00.09 | karlpinc | bionade24: (I still think making a backup is a good idea. Just in case you mung the whole system.) |
| 18:00.10 | bionade24 | karlpinc: Or is does dpkg just ignore the --root option in this situation? |
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| 18:00.32 | karlpinc | bionade24: One would _think_ not. Idunno. |
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| 18:00.38 | bionade24 | karlpinc: I have a /home backup. Rest is lost right now, we can't make it worser |
| 18:01.04 | karlpinc | bionade24: Well, what's in the file? |
| 18:01.15 | bionade24 | karlpinc: In which? |
| 18:01.36 | karlpinc | bionade24: The target system's /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride. |
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| 18:02.52 | bionade24 | karlpinc: I'll comment the geoclue user out in this file or is this a bad idea? |
| 18:03.04 | karlpinc | bionade24: s |
| 18:03.11 | karlpinc | ounds like a bad idea. |
| 18:04.00 | karlpinc | bionade24: I have "geoclue:x:119:127::/var/lib/geoclue:/bin/false |
| 18:04.21 | karlpinc | in my /etc/passwd. You could always temporarily add it to your /etc/passwd. |
| 18:04.41 | greycat | and for the record, I do not have any such user in mine, so it probably came with a specific package that I don't have installed |
| 18:04.45 | karlpinc | (Without the quote) |
| 18:05.04 | karlpinc | Likely the "geoclue" package.... |
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| 18:05.13 | bionade24 | karlpinc: I'll substitute geoclue user with root, install and change back |
| 18:05.27 | bionade24 | greycat: Ubuntu bloat probably |
| 18:06.47 | karlpinc | I have geoclue-2.0 installed because the redshift package requires it. |
| 18:07.30 | karlpinc | s/requires/recommends/ |
| 18:08.06 | bionade24 | karlpinc: I think the --root option isn't made for what I wanted. |
| 18:08.18 | bionade24 | karlpinc: Will try with chroot again |
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| 18:11.43 | bionade24 | karlpinc: Since when dpkg --configure -a doesn't work? |
| 18:12.24 | greycat | if you corrupted dpkg's internal data files, most particularly /var/lib/dpkg/status, or if the individual post-install scripts are broken in some way... |
| 18:12.29 | bionade24 | karlpinc: And is --force-all legacy, too? |
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| 18:13.02 | greycat | buster has --force-all |
| 18:13.11 | karlpinc | bionade24: I'm not intimate with apt et-al. |
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| 18:14.11 | bionade24 | greycat: Then it's probably all the Ubuntu shit and they cutted even the power of dpkg. Will suggest him to reinstall, fuck you Canonical. |
| 18:14.41 | greycat | I don't know the full story here, but any system can be broken if you try hard enough. |
| 18:15.15 | greycat | Canonical wouldn't be the first place I'd point the finger of blame. |
| 18:15.30 | bionade24 | greycat: He definately did. I always missed a force option in apt like in pacman but now I know why there isn't one |
| 18:15.37 | jhutchins_wk | bionade24: Possibly dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:15.50 | greycat | bionade24: dpkg --force-help |
| 18:16.03 | bionade24 | greycat: so you mean the Ubuntu community decided to cut dpkg's features |
| 18:16.17 | greycat | I do not mean any such thing. You are making this up, I think. |
| 18:16.27 | bionade24 | jhutchins_wk: dpkg-reconfigure needs a libc which I don't have |
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| 18:17.17 | bionade24 | greycat: Of course I blamed on my friend for not doing any backup and trying to mix everything :) |
| 18:17.27 | greycat | !downgrade libc6 |
| 18:17.35 | greycat | oh, it's a deleted factoid |
| 18:18.01 | karlpinc | !debian clone |
| 18:18.02 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 18:18.44 | karlpinc | Of course, if the package system is entirely messed up then trying to clone the packages could result in another mess. |
| 18:19.40 | greycat | In any case, assuming I had a Debian system that is missing its libc6 and cannot boot, first step would be to boot from a rescue CD (or USB thingie), mount the target root file system, and extract a libc6 into it. Just raw file operations. Then see if you can chroot into that and get a shell. |
| 18:20.22 | greycat | Once you can get a working shell in the target root file system, then try reinstalling the libc6 .deb package to sanity-check everything. |
| 18:20.46 | greycat | Of course, *THAT* further assumes that dpkg's internal data files are not corrupted beyond usability. If they are, you might as well just scrap it and reinstall cleanly. |
| 18:20.47 | karlpinc | He may well have a frankendebian on his hands anyway and it's quicker to give up and re-install. |
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| 18:20.53 | greycat | yeah |
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| 18:21.09 | bionade24 | greycat: I have on a grml livestick. So should I just cp the libc of grml and then ld will do it or can I extract the libc out of the debian package somehow? |
| 18:22.41 | bionade24 | karlpinc: greycat: jhutchins_wk: Since this isn't my installation I'll give up and suggest him a reinstall. I believe he also broke many other things before and had just luck that the kernel still works. |
| 18:23.07 | bionade24 | karlpinc: greycat: jhutchins_wk: Thanks for you help, anyway. |
| 18:23.27 | ha3mak | hi |
| 18:23.34 | ha3mak | I'm creating a preseed config and I'm unable to set the hungarian keyboard layout |
| 18:23.41 | ha3mak | I tried it with "d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select hu" |
| 18:23.54 | ha3mak | The documentation says only "basic keymap variants" are available during installation. What does it mean? Just the us? Or is it possible to set the hungarian keymap? |
| 18:24.00 | ha3mak | With normal installation it works |
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| 18:50.09 | choice | When "service mysql start" fails, is there a log of what went wrong? |
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| 18:51.37 | greycat | there's /var/log/mysql, and if you're under systemd, there's journalctl -u mysql |
| 18:52.19 | greycat | or perhaps journalctl -u mariadb |
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| 18:54.21 | choice | There is a file /var/log/mysql/error.log but nothing ends up in there. |
| 18:54.44 | choice | journalctl: command not found |
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| 18:55.12 | greycat | you're either pre-jessie, or not running systemd, then |
| 18:55.41 | greycat | Which version of Debian is this, and which version of mysql? |
| 18:55.51 | choice | greycat: It is Debian 9. Running in Docker. |
| 18:56.10 | greycat | You don't run Debian in Docker. You run single services in it. |
| 18:56.24 | greycat | So there is no init system at all. |
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| 18:56.36 | choice | I don't understand what you mean. |
| 18:57.09 | mureena | Anything useful in the 'service mysql status'? |
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| 18:57.36 | choice | mureena: Only this: [info] MariaDB is stopped. |
| 18:57.52 | mureena | there should be more |
| 18:58.47 | mureena | choice: what does the dmesg, syslog or messages say? |
| 18:58.57 | mureena | anything when you grep with mysql? |
| 18:59.01 | choice | mureena: dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 18:59.14 | choice | mureena: syslog: command not found |
| 18:59.44 | mureena | syslog is a logfile you should find at /var/log |
| 18:59.52 | mureena | among other log files |
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| 19:00.30 | choice | mureena: No syslog in /var/log |
| 19:00.36 | mureena | if you want to see something relevant, cd there and check with ls -lahtr which files are freshly modified |
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| 19:01.21 | greycat | mureena: it's not a normal Debian installation. It's a Docker container. There's no init system, no syslog, etc. |
| 19:01.56 | greycat | Closest analogy, from what I understand, would be a system where you pass init=/usr/sbin/mysql on the kernel cmd line. |
| 19:02.02 | mureena | Well I don't know about those, I avoid docker like cancer |
| 19:02.06 | greycat | Me too. |
| 19:03.35 | karlpinc | wonders if the mysql could be configured to log to syslog, which would require setting up a syslog docker container to receive the logs. :) |
| 19:03.52 | mureena | wonders if people could see the wonders of galera |
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| 19:04.37 | m4ch1n3znc | finn0, if you have questions ask here in channel dont pm me |
| 19:06.05 | m4ch1n3znc | im still struggeling to find out if my machine is accessible from other machines on same local network and if yes howto prevent it |
| 19:06.30 | finn0 | m4ch1n3znc: Okay, I was wondering, you're probably using Buster since stubby package in not available in Stretch. |
| 19:06.36 | karlpinc | m4ch1n3znc: Start with "ss -ltn" and see if there's any listening ports. |
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| 19:08.22 | mureena | choice: looks like to me that you have to edit the docker container itself to make it log to the path you desire OR the mysqld in the container to do so |
| 19:08.29 | m4ch1n3znc | karlpinc, oh yes there is a line that makes me nervous "0.0.0.0:<SOMEPORTNUM>" |
| 19:09.18 | choice | mureena: Yeah |
| 19:09.30 | karlpinc | m4ch1n3znc: Well, without the port number we can't tell you what to secure. |
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| 19:09.54 | m4ch1n3znc | 0.0.0.0:35587 |
| 19:10.07 | choice | mureena: The strange thing I am trying to debug: "service mysql start" works normally. But "service mysql start --data-dir=/var/lib/mysql" fails. Even though that *is* the path to the data-dir. I wonder why. Any ideas? |
| 19:10.10 | m4ch1n3znc | finn0, yes i use buster |
| 19:10.44 | m4ch1n3znc | other lines listen on 127.0.0.1 guess thats ok and only accessible from my machine |
| 19:11.59 | finn0 | m4ch1n3znc: Thanks, for that I pm you. |
| 19:14.10 | noln | m4ch1n3znc, netstat -tupan last column tells the process name |
| 19:14.33 | m4ch1n3znc | hmm that seems to be "/usr/lib/epson-backend/ecbd -p /var/run/ecbd.pid" the epson printer driver |
| 19:14.41 | mureena | choice: define the data directory right in mysql config because I don't think that init script takes custom data dirs as argument |
| 19:15.09 | choice | mureena: So why does it fail when I pass the --data-dir=... argument? |
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| 19:18.35 | mureena | choice: what does the init script say about it's own usage, is that argument valid? Mine has a default mariadb start function that does some sanity checks, then runs /usr/bin/mysqld_safe "${@:2}" 2>&1 >/dev/null | $ERR_LOGGER & etc. what comes after that |
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| 19:18.50 | mureena | probably there is nothing that takes your arguments |
| 19:18.55 | mureena | so it just fails |
| 19:19.02 | choice | mureena: Where do I find that init script? |
| 19:19.08 | greycat | you'd want to see what ERR_LOGGER is set to... |
| 19:19.34 | mureena | ^ |
| 19:19.38 | greycat | choice: probably in whatever Docker setup initialization thing Docker uses |
| 19:19.40 | mureena | init scripts are usually at /etc/init.d |
| 19:20.12 | greycat | Maybe a Docker user like ... oh, I dunno, you? ... would know how a Docker service starts up. I sure as hell don't. |
| 19:20.21 | choice | Yeah, there is a giant script called mysql in there. |
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| 19:23.25 | choice | Maybe I can start mysql directly? |
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| 19:25.08 | m4ch1n3znc | the machine im talking about is an desktop and there is no need that other machines in localnetwork have access to it. is there maybe a way to allow access services only from same machine even if there are services listening on ports via kernel option or something like that? |
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| 19:29.00 | noln | m4ch1n3znc, buster's default firewall is nftables. or have the printer driver listen on localhost. Is it installed from the repos? |
| 19:30.37 | mureena | choice: just modify the config of mysql service itself if you want custom settings |
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| 19:32.47 | m4ch1n3znc | noln, no thats the driver from epson not the one from debian repo. i had issues got scanner working with repo drivers. the printer is connected directly to my machine via usb and i dont want to share it on local network. i only want to use it on the machine it is pluged in via usb |
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| 19:33.47 | jhutchins_wk | m4ch1n3znc: What kind of access from other systems are you concerned about? |
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| 19:35.20 | jhutchins_wk | m4ch1n3znc: If you don't want to share the printer don't enable printer sharing when you set up the printer. |
| 19:35.31 | m4ch1n3znc | i dont know who the other machines are on local network, its an public hotspot im connected to via directional wifi antenna. as i dont know anything about other users it could be everything |
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| 19:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | m4ch1n3znc: Generally in linux you don't share resources or services unless you configure something to share them. |
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| 19:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | m4ch1n3znc: Other nodes can ping you (unless you've disabled ICMP), they can port-scan you to see what ports are open. Pretty much every service can be set to require authentication before allowing access. |
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| 19:38.11 | noln | Unless the epson driver has a nice GUI to limit machine access, I'd say go with nftables, you'll reuse that knowledge someday. Printer sharing at the CUPS level (not epson driver) is done by sharing port 631 iirc and it's a different thing. |
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| 19:40.06 | noln | hm, if dpkg -L epson_package_name lists a manpage or something under /usr/share/docs, that could be another option, hoping there's some config file to have it listen on localhost only |
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| 19:42.37 | noln | Please send a protest email to epson if you have a minute, it's not nice to require a world-accessible closed-source (privileged?) daemon by default without the user's knowledge, just to use a printer |
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| 19:45.51 | greycat | If I'm trying to mount what I suspect is a Windows share, from buster, using mount.cifs, and /var/log/syslog says "key.dns_resolver: cc-clwbat70: No address associated with name" (and cc-clwbat70 is NOT part of my mount.cifs command), is that something that running nmbd might solve? |
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| 19:54.14 | jhutchins_wk | noln: There is no need to use nftables or iptables, unless you tell cups to share the printer it won't be visible. |
| 19:55.17 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I think so. It might be something on the Windows end. |
| 19:55.55 | greycat | OK, then how do I just run nmbd without running full-on Samba? I don't even get a single result from "apt-cache search samba nmb" |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | I guess I just install samba first and see what happens. |
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| 19:57.32 | greycat | 16 more packages, 48.9 MB more disk space used, but who's counting |
| 19:57.47 | noln | jhutchins_wk, no idea why you believe this is printer sharing. The problem is a world-visible daemon listening on 0.0.0.0. daemon name and portnumber are above in the irc logs. |
| 19:58.17 | jhutchins_wk | Probably. My samba knowledge is pretty out of date past XP. |
| 19:58.58 | greycat | No change. |
| 20:00.28 | greycat | OK, next things on the checklist: if a Windows person says "these are the servers that I RDP into" (followed by two FQDNs), how would I go about duplicating that feat? What exactly is "RDP into" and what software do I need for this? |
| 20:00.52 | n_1-c_k | greycat: maybe try smbclient if you don't already have it. |
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| 20:02.13 | jhutchins_wk | noln: Except the port number doesn't appear to be there. I believe you can use lsof to see the name of the process, but netstat -ap | less should show you the process name. |
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| 20:05.12 | greycat | n_1-c_k: Nope, I still get errors involving a hostname that isn't part of my //foo/bar request, so it's apparently coming *from* something on the Windows side. |
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| 20:08.42 | noln | jhutchins_wk, the port number is 6 lines above the daemon, the problem is already well-defined, please only ping me if new information is provided |
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| 20:19.13 | greycat | Results on the RDP checklist item: Debian package "rdesktop" fails, Debian package "xfreerdp-x11" appears to be working. https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/failed-to-connect-credssp-required-by-server-4175611983/ |
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| 20:21.08 | greycat | sorry, pkg name is freerdp2-x11 |
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| 20:40.20 | fred1807 | Why my NetworkManager WiFi connection does not autoconnect, despite this feature beign selected on nmtui ? (I am not using x / desktop) |
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| 20:53.49 | karlpinc | greycat: You want the "rdesktop" package. |
| 20:54.06 | greycat | Nope. Tried that first. It does not work for me. |
| 20:54.35 | karlpinc | greycat: Oops. Sorry. Didn't see the whole backstory. |
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| 20:57.10 | karlpinc | greycat: FYI. The kerberos part of RDP means that the clocks on both ends of the connection be relatively in-sync. |
| 20:57.44 | greycat | Well, my end is NTPed up. I can't speak for the other end. Anyway, xfreerdp worked. |
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| 21:03.05 | HillbillyLogic | I just install Debian 9 Stretch. I'm having issues updating due to Secure APT. I need help with correcting the Release File keys / signatures. I keep getting the following error:#flood |
| 21:03.22 | HillbillyLogic | sorry that didn't work |
| 21:03.30 | HillbillyLogic | gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': No such file or directory |
| 21:03.31 | HillbillyLogic | gpg: connecting dirmngr at '/root/.gnupg/S.dirmngr' failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:03.31 | HillbillyLogic | gpg: keyserver receive failed: No dirmngr |
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| 21:05.51 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: that file on my stretch system is dated feb 7, have you done all point releases, fully updated/upgraded? just a guess |
| 21:07.01 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: or updating just fails since install? |
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| 21:08.23 | HillbillyLogic | If I try to update it gives a warning of untrusted sources. |
| 21:08.49 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: try apt install dirmngr and pastebin your sources.list |
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| 21:10.00 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: use http://paste.debian.net please. |
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| 21:20.52 | HillbillyLogic | LtL: I installed Debian from a usb with DVD image. When I tried to install dirmngr it's asking me to insert the disk. However it's not recognizing the usb drive I inserted. |
| 21:21.44 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.debian.net please. |
| 21:22.05 | HillbillyLogic | ok |
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| 21:25.51 | HillbillyLogic | LtL: Sorry but I've never out anything on that site before. Anything in particular that I need to know so I can get this right the first time? |
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| 21:27.47 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: are you in a desktop environment, open a terminal, type 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' highlight the contents into your copy buffer and paste the contents into that site |
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| 21:28.19 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: then give us the URL after you submit it |
| 21:28.47 | HillbillyLogic | http://paste.debian.net/1089937/ |
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| 21:31.07 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: okay, become root 'su -' typeroot's password or use sudo, type nano /etc/apt/sources.list comment the cdrom line with a hash # save the file with ctrl+x then run apt update |
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| 21:31.52 | HillbillyLogic | LtL: OK |
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| 21:34.12 | flipxyz | People, is there a irc channel for debconf discussions? |
| 21:34.29 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: after ctrl+x answer Yes to save |
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| 21:35.36 | LtL | flipxyz: ##debconf and #debconf4 |
| 21:35.39 | HillbillyLogic | LtL: Thanks so much for your help! |
| 21:35.49 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: you're welcome |
| 21:35.54 | flipxyz | LtL: thanks a lot! |
| 21:36.01 | LtL | flipxyz: welcome |
| 21:36.59 | LtL | HillbillyLogic: remember to umount that USB drive |
| 21:37.46 | HillbillyLogic | LtL: I sure will. Thanks again! |
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| 21:49.40 | roro_ | hi guys |
| 21:50.19 | roro_ | please... can i install python3 on debian 9 version ? |
| 21:51.34 | LtL | ,v python3 |
| 21:51.35 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; sid: 3.7.3-1 |
| 21:51.55 | LtL | roro_: yes |
| 21:52.20 | roro_ | can you help me? i cant install |
| 21:52.36 | roro_ | please LtL |
| 21:53.10 | Jerrynicki | shouldn't it be automatically installed? |
| 21:53.13 | LtL | roro_: apt install python3 |
| 21:53.28 | LtL | Jerrynicki: no, doesn't seem to be. |
| 21:53.39 | dvs | ,v python |
| 21:53.40 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; buster: 2.7.16-1; sid: 2.7.16-1 |
| 21:53.49 | roro_ | i use => uname -r |
| 21:53.50 | roro_ | 4.9.0-9-amd64 |
| 21:54.00 | Jerrynicki | that's your linux kernel versionb |
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| 21:54.22 | Jerrynicki | if you're using debian 9, your version is "stretch" |
| 21:54.24 | noln | type python3 to launch python3, don't type python |
| 21:54.35 | LtL | python3 is shown as optional |
| 21:55.28 | roro_ | bash: /usr/bin/python3: file or folder inexistent |
| 21:55.41 | roro_ | i typped python3 |
| 21:55.53 | Jerrynicki | you probably need to install it then |
| 21:55.55 | roro_ | ( sorry my engish, so bad) |
| 21:56.05 | LtL | roro_: did you install it? |
| 21:56.42 | LtL | python looks to be auto installed, python3 is optional. |
| 21:56.57 | roro_ | I tried to install with the command: apt-get install python3, but I didn't succeed |
| 21:57.10 | Jerrynicki | what was the error? |
| 21:57.44 | roro_ | Jerrynicki, too much errors |
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| 21:58.16 | Jerrynicki | can you paste them somewhere? |
| 21:58.36 | LtL | Error with command 'll /usr/bin/python3' |
| 21:58.37 | roro_ | have you a link to copy my error? |
| 21:58.43 | LtL | oops sorry |
| 21:59.19 | Jerrynicki | roro_, you can use http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:59.33 | roro_ | 1 minute, please |
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| 22:00.43 | roro_ | Jerrynicki, http://paste.debian.net/1089939/ |
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| 22:05.39 | Jerrynicki | roro_, what happens if you try to install "python3-dev"? |
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| 22:06.10 | roro_ | 1 minute |
| 22:07.19 | roro_ | Jerrynicki, generate the same errors |
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| 22:07.24 | roro_ | :S |
| 22:07.33 | Jerrynicki | that's really weird |
| 22:07.59 | Jerrynicki | i'll be honest, i really don't know what to do from here |
| 22:08.04 | Jerrynicki | maybe someone else can continue helping you? |
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| 22:08.20 | Jerrynicki | sorry |
| 22:08.22 | roro_ | I was wondering... could it be the repositories? |
| 22:08.58 | somiaj | roro_: what version of debian are you running, also it is best to ensure errors are printed in english for best support |
| 22:09.01 | somiaj | !localized errors |
| 22:09.01 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 22:09.28 | roro_ | somiaj, debian 9 |
| 22:09.31 | somiaj | roro_: could you start by pasting the output of 'LC_ALL=C apt policy' |
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| 22:10.01 | roro_ | what command ? |
| 22:10.02 | somiaj | roro_: also LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
| 22:10.18 | somiaj | I gave you the command, it was in quote, 'LC_ALL=C apt policy' |
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| 22:11.19 | roro_ | remove too much packages... but persist errors |
| 22:11.40 | somiaj | ahh I was hoping it would just regenerate the erros again, also can you proived the outptu of 'LC_ALL apt policy' |
| 22:11.56 | somiaj | which was the first command I asked for |
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| 22:12.03 | roylaprattep | hi guys |
| 22:12.26 | roylaprattep | i have a postfix warning about using backward compatibilty since stretch upgrade |
| 22:13.23 | roylaprattep | and a new main.cf-proto and master.cf-proto config file that appears |
| 22:13.51 | somiaj | roylaprattep: you should figure out what option/compadability is enabled and remove it. It is only a warning now, but it could be removed when you upgrade to buster |
| 22:14.15 | somiaj | I probably would just edit your current config vs using the default one provided by the package (Since I"m assuming you ahve made changes to it already for yoursetup) |
| 22:14.28 | roylaprattep | no its asking me to enable that option |
| 22:14.49 | roro_ | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/1089941/ |
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| 22:15.11 | somiaj | roylaprattep: http://www.postfix.org/COMPATIBILITY_README.html |
| 22:15.16 | somiaj | roylaprattep: I would read that |
| 22:15.33 | roro_ | somiaj, LC_ALL apt policy =>>>> http://paste.debian.net/1089941/ |
| 22:16.44 | somiaj | roro_: that is not the output of the LC_ALL=C apt policy command |
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| 22:17.27 | somiaj | roro_: ImportError: No module named 'ConfigParser' -- that is your error, the python scripts are trying to use a package that doens't exist. This might be due to stretch-backports or something else |
| 22:17.35 | roylaprattep | thx somiaj :) |
| 22:17.46 | roylaprattep | all the answers to my question! |
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| 22:19.05 | roylaprattep | im am very amazed by the precision of the dist-upgrade, seriously, hats off to debian team. i only have config problem but thats totally normal cause of new versions. |
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| 22:19.41 | somiaj | yup, because debian will not override your config files because that could cause even more problems |
| 22:19.45 | Nic_Wow | Aye, with Stretch applications support buster |
| 22:20.00 | roro_ | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/1089943/ |
| 22:20.05 | roro_ | iḿ sorry |
| 22:20.06 | somiaj | there are often scripts to help ease this, but not always, often times one needs to do a bit of tweaking |
| 22:20.19 | Nic_Wow | Some apps have already dropped stretch support. Others aren't yet avalible for Buster. |
| 22:21.13 | somiaj | roro_: there is a bug report about this, I just can't seem to find it, and it appears that you might have a mix between stretch and stretch-backports packages causing these to fail. |
| 22:21.42 | somiaj | Nic_Wow: I don't quite follow you, thrid party apps aren't really supported here, and the apps that come with stretch/buster are still supported |
| 22:22.50 | roro_ | i format my debian linux ? |
| 22:22.57 | roro_ | somiaj, |
| 22:23.16 | somiaj | roro_: ls /usr/bin/python (tell me where that link points to) |
| 22:23.18 | roro_ | need i format my debian linux? |
| 22:23.18 | Nic_Wow | I was just curious if Stretch repos can be added to Buster. |
| 22:23.26 | Nic_Wow | For applications that do not yet support Buster. |
| 22:23.36 | somiaj | roro_: arg, 'ls -l /usr/bin/python' |
| 22:23.43 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 22:23.43 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 22:23.54 | roro_ | ls /usr/bin/python |
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| 22:24.41 | somiaj | Nic_Wow: ^^ in general one should not mix releases, this is very bad practice. (there are exceptions), but if you have an app that you want to run in buster that is not included in buster, you should ask about that specific app to get the best advice on how to use it |
| 22:24.43 | roro_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 jun 30 21:24 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python |
| 22:24.55 | somiaj | roro_: okay, now ls -l /etc/alternatives/python |
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| 22:25.43 | roro_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 jun 30 21:24 /etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python3.5 |
| 22:25.53 | Nic_Wow | :thumbs-up: |
| 22:26.00 | somiaj | roro_: that is your problem. Whoever changed this link broke things. |
| 22:26.38 | roro_ | Iḿ sorry, but i newbie user debian linux |
| 22:26.43 | somiaj | roro_: on debian, /usr/bin/python must point to python 2 (otherwise things will break). 'ln -fs python2.7 /usr/bin/python' (then ls -l /usr/bin/python and make sure it points to python2.7) |
| 22:27.12 | somiaj | roro_: you may need to remove the /usr/bin/python link first, 'rm /usr/bin/python' then 'ln -fs python2.7 /usr/bin/python' -- after you do that things should be fixed |
| 22:27.36 | somiaj | and if ti wasn't you who changed this link, inform whoever also admins this system that /usr/bin/python must be python2.7 on debian systems |
| 22:27.43 | somiaj | (use python3 to run python3 apps) |
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| 22:29.31 | roro_ | somiaj, I need to install python3 and pycharm, but it is very difficult for me. |
| 22:29.31 | roro_ | I want to program in Python |
| 22:29.58 | somiaj | roro_: fix the link, then install python3 |
| 22:30.14 | somiaj | roro_: and to run python3 programs, use python3 (not python) on debian |
| 22:30.16 | roro_ | apt-get install python3 ? |
| 22:31.04 | somiaj | roro_: it is already installed. Fix the link, 'rm /usr/bin/python' then 'ln -fs python2.7 /usr/bin/python' then apt -f install |
| 22:31.07 | somiaj | !es |
| 22:31.08 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 22:31.18 | somiaj | roro_: ^^ also you may get better help in spanish |
| 22:31.29 | roro_ | somiaj, yes i fixed the errors |
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| 22:32.07 | somiaj | good, you should be able to install the python packages you need now and start to program in python |
| 22:32.39 | somiaj | again if you want to use python3, make sure you run the command as 'python3 myfile.py' or have a #!/usr/bin/python3 as the shebang at the top of the file |
| 22:33.34 | roro_ | :) |
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| 22:34.25 | roro_ | somiaj, can i install pycharm? |
| 22:35.20 | somiaj | I don't see any debian package by that name, and unsure what it requires. |
| 22:36.14 | m4ch1n3znc | its not in debian repository https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/ |
| 22:36.32 | somiaj | looks like you can install it via a snap, so there are ways, but they are all third party |
| 22:36.35 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 22:36.35 | dpkg | dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 22:36.50 | somiaj | make sure you read that, useful hints on how to deal with third party software |
| 22:37.04 | m4ch1n3znc | you can simply extract it to random path and run it from there |
| 22:37.15 | m4ch1n3znc | there is no need to install |
| 22:37.33 | somiaj | ahh okay, I just found a page that suggsted using a snap package |
| 22:38.49 | roro_ | somiaj, m4ch1n3znc : Many thanks to all of you! |
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| 22:39.07 | somiaj | https://tutorialforlinux.com/2018/09/01/how-to-install-pycharm-on-debian-stretch-9-easy-guide/ |
| 22:39.26 | roro_ | They saved my life. |
| 22:39.26 | roro_ | How can I repay? |
| 22:39.40 | somiaj | roro_: ^^ that guide seems sane, download .tar.gz, copy it to /opt, make links in /usr/local/bin |
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| 22:40.41 | somiaj | roro_: Just support the opensource world. If you feel that you want to support debian, https://www.debian.org/donations, but nothing is needed, just enjoy and learn so you don't make /usr/bin/python point at the wrong spot int he future. |
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| 22:41.35 | m4ch1n3znc | there is also an instruction in the root of the tar.gz in Install-Linux-tar.txt |
| 22:41.48 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/intro/help -- if you want to help. Using debian, sticking to standard debian pracitces and reporting bugs/making translations, there are lots of ways to help. |
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| 22:42.34 | roro_ | i can help with translations: portuguese and spanish |
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| 22:51.45 | senecaty | do I need to do anything for changes to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades to take effect? |
| 22:53.30 | somiaj | I think you have to do something to make it automatic (turn it in). Read the docs in /usr/share/docs/unatteneded-upgrades |
| 22:53.42 | somiaj | I don't think it is edit that file, but I forget. |
| 22:55.19 | somiaj | sorry it is /usr/share/doc |
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| 22:55.25 | somiaj | (not docs) |
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