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| 01:41.45 | paul0 | hey, today occurred an energy outage and my computer restarted, now it seems that the audio isn't working anymore |
| 01:42.23 | paul0 | how can I verify if this is a configuration problem, or my hardware really fried after the outage? |
| 01:42.48 | paul0 | I checked if the audio was muted, tried the front headphone jack and the back too |
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| 01:56.30 | m4ch1n3znc | paul0, can you be more specific? which mixer do you use? pavucontrol? |
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| 02:00.37 | m4ch1n3znc | do you see in mixergui the same audio sink as always? |
| 02:05.16 | m4ch1n3znc | like here https://i.imgur.com/w6wiLMl.png |
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| 02:07.03 | rant | 19:45 m4ch1n3znc> shut up datase |
| 02:07.13 | m4ch1n3znc | :D |
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| 02:20.58 | paul0 | m4ch1n3znc, I was using alsamixer |
| 02:23.54 | paul0 | m4ch1n3znc, awsome, could fix using pavucontrol. thx! |
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| 02:34.44 | blueHarry | Hey guys, does Debian unstable have a security repository? |
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| 02:35.11 | dvs | no |
| 02:35.33 | dax | https://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable |
| 02:35.53 | dax | tl;dr: debian security team only cares about stable (and supported oldstable) |
| 02:36.31 | blueHarry | So should I keep the testing security repository? That won't cause Any problems? |
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| 02:37.02 | dax | i do, but i don't remember ever seeing anything in it so ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 02:37.52 | ishimaru | because it's officially unsupported doesn't mean it doesn't any sec updates |
| 02:38.08 | blueHarry | Ah thanks I think I am gonna stick to testing |
| 02:38.36 | ishimaru | the testing version is currently superior to stable |
| 02:39.36 | ishimaru | also when it comes to security rather set up ufw correctly, have torrent blocklist, check if your vpn doesn't have any dnsleak |
| 02:39.42 | ishimaru | and you should be okay tho |
| 02:39.56 | dax | testing's becoming stable in 3 days, so it's all a bit moot |
| 02:41.28 | ishimaru | I am rather concerned if my current testing setup will 'magically' become a stable after new release or if it will continue being testing |
| 02:42.02 | dax | does your sources.list say testing or buster? |
| 02:42.12 | dvs | ishimaru, if you use the word "testing" in your sources.list, it will become the next testing |
| 02:42.28 | dax | ^ which is approximately the same effect as standing in front of a dam as it breaks |
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| 02:44.26 | dax | anyways, the question is a little badly worded. if you have "buster" in sources.list, your system will continue being buster when buster is released, which will mean it's stable. if you have "testing" in sources.list, you'll be switched to the next release (bullseye, i think it's called?) once buster is released and testing un-freezes |
| 02:44.59 | dvs | and an avalanche commenses! |
| 02:45.16 | ishimaru | tbh debian testing did never break for me and is still more stable than archlinux |
| 02:45.35 | ishimaru | or other rolling releases.. |
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| 02:49.26 | somiaj | ishimaru: The first few months after a new testing can sometimes be a bit wild, lots of packages start getting upgraded once the freeze is left off. |
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| 02:50.18 | somiaj | but I would still suggest using codenames (buster/bullesye) over links (stable/testing) so the upgade happens at a time of your choosing. |
| 02:50.58 | dvs | 70 bugs left! |
| 02:51.06 | ishimaru | somiaj: aren't those packages already getting upgraded on the testing? |
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| 02:51.43 | dax | no, testing freezes before release, so there are updates in unstable, experimental, and maintainers' local machines waiting for release |
| 02:52.05 | dax | unstable and testing get very busy right after release |
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| 02:52.15 | annadane | !sing bugs |
| 02:52.16 | dpkg | ⪠99 RC bugs on the wall, 99 RC buuuugs. Take one down, patch, workaround, 100 RC bugs on the wall! ⫠|
| 02:52.41 | dvs | gets a can of Raid |
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| 02:55.54 | ishimaru | I see |
| 02:56.08 | somiaj | ishimaru: the freeze slows down most development including sid(unstable) |
| 02:56.11 | somiaj | !slushy |
| 02:56.11 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 02:56.42 | somiaj | so testing has been fairly calm the last six months mostly getting just fixes, but once the release happens things catch up fairly quickly and this can be a bit rockier than normal |
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| 03:13.29 | dokma | Is there a way to find out an application is trying to produce sound but is failing? |
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| 03:14.21 | dokma | My app that used to produce sound now stopped to do so... |
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| 03:22.30 | somiaj | if using pulseaudio, the gui tool pavucontrol is useful. |
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| 03:28.08 | n0a110w | alsa-mixer make sure the channel isn't muted |
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| 03:31.29 | dokma | I'm on pulse |
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| 03:34.03 | dokma | somiaj: pavucontrol is listing the app on the output streams but the indicator is on 0 all the time as if though nothing is comming from the app |
| 03:36.03 | somiaj | maybe the app has been muted, or something, unsure there, might have to give more detail on what app |
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| 03:47.48 | dokma | WarThunder |
| 03:47.55 | dokma | somiaj: a game |
| 03:48.01 | dokma | not using steam |
| 03:48.59 | dokma | somiaj: I can hear a slight click on the speakers when the app starts or exits but still there is absolutely no sound |
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| 03:56.31 | somiaj | hmm, yea double check the games settings, make sure it is actually wanting to use pulse and not alsa. You may have to stop pulse if you need to access the card via alsa |
| 03:56.47 | somiaj | but I really can't say, if other things are making sound and htis one app isn't, something with the app |
| 03:56.56 | somiaj | also check that the correct sound card is being chosen for the app |
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| 04:01.46 | APOLLO42O | i am trying to install deb9 on a crappy tablet that does not have an ethernet port, and I cannot get my wifi working... |
| 04:03.07 | dokma | somiaj: how would I detect if the app wants pulse or alsa? |
| 04:03.47 | somiaj | APOLLO42O: get the unoffical non-free images, most likley need non-free firmware |
| 04:03.51 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 04:03.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/. Follow the current/ link for stable, daily-builds/ or weekly-builds/ for testing. |
| 04:05.58 | somiaj | look into support for the app, ask google, see what you can find |
| 04:06.14 | somiaj | It could also be just some pulse setting changed if it use to work then didn't |
| 04:07.50 | APOLLO42O | its never worked |
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| 08:47.14 | simpledat | Hi. I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and it installed xxd. Should it install xxd by default? I use Debian. What is xxd? |
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| 08:47.54 | luna_ | simpledat: tool to make (or reverse) a hex dump |
| 08:48.10 | simpledat | luna_: should that be installed by default? |
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| 08:48.17 | luna_ | no idea |
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| 08:48.37 | annadane | simpledat, what else was included in the upgrade? |
| 08:48.49 | annadane | it's likely a dependency of some other package |
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| 08:49.07 | annadane | you can also "aptitude why xxd", if you have the aptitude package installed |
| 08:49.17 | simpledat | annadane: openvpn? |
| 08:50.02 | Habbie | oh why is nice |
| 08:50.02 | simpledat | annadane: i mean. i have a clean debian install. the only thing i installed was openvpn. |
| 08:50.33 | annadane | packages can drag in other packages which they require, we call these dependencies |
| 08:50.56 | jelly | apt-get upgrade, in general will not introduce new dependencies |
| 08:51.11 | simpledat | annadane: how can i see why xxd was installed then? i dont have aptitude why |
| 08:51.20 | jelly | simpledat, install it. |
| 08:51.20 | annadane | that's right, i should pay more attention to which apt command is getting used |
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| 08:51.43 | simpledat | jelly: apt-get install why ? |
| 08:51.51 | jelly | no, aptitude |
| 08:52.06 | simpledat | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 08:52.06 | jim | hi... about the pyqt packages for debian... it seems like something is wrong with them (I can't tell what, sorry),,, the simplest of tutorials (a hello world window with a close box) fails on the packaged version, but succeeds on a python venv where I did pip install pyqt5 |
| 08:52.13 | jelly | INSTALL IT |
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| 08:52.17 | simpledat | how? |
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| 08:52.32 | starscreamer | Hi, I'm trying to get Stretch to rotate display 90 degrees on boot. I can do this using the GUI but I need to do it from config so I can change it remotely if necessary when I won't have GUI access. I've tried adding a xrandr line in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, /etc/rc.local, /etc/xdg/autostart/setscreen.desktop and various other places but it doesn't work |
| 08:52.46 | jelly | simpledat, the pacakge is called aptitude |
| 08:52.55 | jim | simpledat, or use apt... you can install it, by running this as root: apt install aptitude |
| 08:53.05 | jelly | install it to get the command aptitude. |
| 08:53.22 | jelly | they could have figured that on their own |
| 08:53.48 | simpledat | is there no other way to check why xxd was installed? |
| 08:53.50 | jim | yes I understand that. it wasn't happening, so I stepped in |
| 08:54.01 | Raistlin | lol jelly is like that .. |
| 08:54.41 | jim | simpledat, it's easy. want to try now? |
| 08:55.24 | annadane | i think debian is a simple system to understand but yes, knowing how to install packages is a very good basic step everyone probably should know |
| 08:55.45 | annadane | where's that factoid i wrote... |
| 08:56.07 | annadane | !tell simpledat about newcomer |
| 08:56.21 | simpledat | i remember there was a command like apt dependencies xxd, or something like that? |
| 08:56.25 | Raistlin | https://lintut.com/how-to-use-aptitude-on-debian-ubuntu-mint-linux/ |
| 08:56.37 | Raistlin | google is your best friend |
| 08:56.43 | annadane | there are apt depends and apt rdepends commands |
| 08:56.53 | annadane | the r standing for "reverse" |
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| 08:57.06 | jim | annadane, agreed... and, either someone knows that or they don't... he didn't, I noticed that, nothing was happening to help his understanding, I noticed that too, so I stepped in |
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| 08:57.37 | jelly | jim, they already knew the "apt-get install " part. |
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| 08:57.45 | simpledat | jim: is there any other way to check why xxd was installed without installing aptitude? |
| 08:57.48 | jim | true |
| 08:58.34 | jim | simpledat, you don't necessarily need aptitude (and, aptitude is one of the commands that has the "why" functionality |
| 08:58.40 | jelly | simpledat, that's the simplest and most reliable way, looking at logs or output of the command that installed it is inference. |
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| 08:58.54 | jelly | jim, which other tool has "aptitude why ..." functionality? |
| 08:59.21 | jim | didn't someone mention a package called 'why'? |
| 08:59.26 | jelly | no. |
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| 08:59.38 | jim | ok, so aptitude is it |
| 08:59.42 | jim | thanks |
| 08:59.46 | han-solo | apt-cache depends xxd ? |
| 09:00.21 | jim | simpledat, you'll like it :) want to try it? |
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| 09:00.46 | annadane | i do love aptitude, though, it has many uses |
| 09:00.53 | simpledat | https://paste.debian.net/1090269/ |
| 09:00.59 | simpledat | i got this output |
| 09:01.23 | jelly | jim, the package "why" was only mentioned by the user asking for help |
| 09:01.38 | jim | oh ok |
| 09:01.56 | jelly | jim, one probably should not take info from the user _asking_ for help as reference |
| 09:02.05 | simpledat | https://paste.debian.net/1090269/ - how should i understand this? |
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| 09:02.30 | jelly | jim, and one should probably read more carefully if they're trying to _provide_ help |
| 09:02.33 | jim | something's screwy about my system lately... I won't go into detail here, it's for #debian-next |
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| 09:03.32 | han-solo | simpledat: that's the not the exact command you need, right to understand why `xxd` was installed, sorry |
| 09:03.38 | han-solo | i was thinking something else |
| 09:04.10 | jim | simpledat, do you have sudo working? |
| 09:04.17 | simpledat | jim: yes |
| 09:04.34 | jim | ok... could you try: sudo apt install aptitude |
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| 09:04.55 | han-solo | simpledat: `apt-cache showpkgs xxd` |
| 09:05.04 | han-solo | check the reverse dependency section |
| 09:05.09 | jim | it -does- have a why functionality |
| 09:05.12 | Habbie | (showpkg) |
| 09:05.17 | han-solo | er, showpkg |
| 09:05.25 | han-solo | simpledat: `apt-cache showpkg xxd` |
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| 09:06.57 | jelly | that won't show reverse Recommends, only reverse Depends |
| 09:07.04 | jim | simpledat, did you run that? |
| 09:07.37 | jelly | really, use the tool that was, uh, recommended |
| 09:08.17 | simpledat | https://paste.debian.net/1090271/ |
| 09:08.28 | han-solo | Yeah, use `aptitude` |
| 09:08.47 | jelly | simpledat, if you have vim-common installed, then that's it |
| 09:09.17 | jelly | but now you need to check which, if any, of those Reverse Depends, is actually installed |
| 09:09.50 | jelly | and there might not be any |
| 09:10.14 | jim | simpledat, so, I am curious... what's stopping you from installing aptitude? |
| 09:10.20 | jelly | and then you need to figure out which installed package Recommends: xxd |
| 09:10.37 | simpledat | jelly: how do i do that? |
| 09:11.11 | jim | the best way is to use aptitude (it's small, and it does the job) |
| 09:11.13 | simpledat | jim: i prefer to not install any new packages, to stay as fresh installed as possible |
| 09:11.16 | themill | simpledat: have you installed aptitude yet? |
| 09:11.18 | jelly | simpledat, explaining how to do that uses more of both our time than installing and using aptitude |
| 09:11.28 | jelly | simpledat, so I won't, sorry |
| 09:12.19 | jim | simpledat, you can always remove the package when you're done using it |
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| 09:13.41 | simpledat | btw what is vim-common? and should it be installed by default? |
| 09:13.54 | luna_ | simpledat: stuff for getting vim to run |
| 09:13.55 | jelly | it's part of vim. |
| 09:13.59 | jim | otherwise, it takes knowledge and work to duplicate its functionalty... maybe we're looking at a quarter's worth of material (three months) |
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| 09:14.22 | jelly | "aptitude why vim-common" would tell you why it was installed! |
| 09:14.24 | jelly | hides |
| 09:14.31 | simpledat | luna_: and should it be installed by default? |
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| 09:15.15 | han-solo | simpledat: if you need vim, then yes |
| 09:15.29 | themill | simpledat: your obsession with default is unhealthy. There's nothing interesting in 'default' in Debian (and it's not even possible to define what a default Debian installation looks like) |
| 09:16.08 | simpledat | aptitude why xxd |
| 09:16.09 | simpledat | i vim-common Depends xxd |
| 09:16.25 | jelly | there you go. |
| 09:16.26 | jim | simpledat, debian is a distribution where there's a minimum set of packages that makes it a "debian"... this used to be called the debian base, dunno what's called now... other than that, you can install and remove anything you want |
| 09:16.27 | annadane | heeeey. |
| 09:16.29 | han-solo | yay! |
| 09:16.48 | annadane | the 'i' means vim-common is installed |
| 09:17.28 | jim | simpledat, that;s a clear (if computerey) statement of why xxd is installed |
| 09:17.31 | annadane | you can also look through /var/log/apt/history.log to see the things that got installed, some packages are pulled in by other ones, some of them you installed yourself (like, say, openvpn) |
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| 09:18.00 | simpledat | ok so my question now is why vim-common is installed. my question was should it be installed by default? because the only thing i did was install fresh debian stretch and openvpn, nothing else. |
| 09:18.06 | annadane | to understand how the filesystem works, in your terminal type 'man hier' (man standing for manual, hier standing for hierarchy) |
| 09:18.13 | annadane | (but this is getting a bit off topic) |
| 09:18.31 | themill | simpledat: how do you think you'd figure out why vim-common was installed? |
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| 09:19.14 | jim | themill, maybe it's because he likes, and so installed, vim |
| 09:19.19 | jelly | simpledat, you use the same functionality that you used to figure out why xxd was installed. |
| 09:19.27 | themill | jim: not helping |
| 09:19.35 | simpledat | themill: aptitude why vim-common ? |
| 09:19.36 | jelly | jim, maybe he can figure it out on his own! |
| 09:19.59 | jim | simpledat, try it and see :) |
| 09:20.16 | simpledat | vim-tiny |
| 09:20.29 | annadane | that *is* installed by default |
| 09:20.41 | annadane | (as far as i know. i may be wrong) |
| 09:20.41 | jelly | but how do we know that? :-) |
| 09:20.54 | themill | Priority: important |
| 09:21.05 | themill | (fsvo 'default') |
| 09:21.10 | simpledat | yeah how do we know that vim-tiny is installed by default? |
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| 09:21.26 | simpledat | vim-tiny Depends vim-common |
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| 09:21.58 | simpledat | vim-common Recommends vim-tiny |
| 09:22.10 | jelly | simpledat, if you chose the "standard" task at installation time, packages with Priority: important would get installed |
| 09:22.14 | jelly | !standard |
| 09:22.14 | dpkg | it has been said that standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 09:22.40 | jim | simpledat, aptitude also has "why not" |
| 09:22.51 | jelly | (I don't remember whether standard task is selected by default in debian-installer) |
| 09:23.12 | annadane | it is |
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| 09:23.41 | annadane | so that's why i semi-mistakenly said installed by default because i personally always keep it checked |
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| 09:24.57 | simpledat | ok thanks guys |
| 09:25.04 | annadane | i do recommend reading some of the links the dpkg bot sent to you by personal message (which i asked it to do earlier), the reference manual may be a bit too thick for starters (though fairly understandable; you don't have to read *everything* though) but it'll teach you some of the basic commands |
| 09:25.43 | annadane | many users can probably get by reading wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and knowing how to install and remove packages, and not using the root account unless you absolutely have to |
| 09:26.13 | annadane | (the root account has the # character at the end of the prompt; for a regular user it's a $ sign) |
| 09:26.36 | annadane | and the reason we try to avoid the root account when possible, is it has elevated privileges and can cause damage |
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| 09:28.16 | annadane | i... will hold off on explaining upgrades to the next stable, as that's a big process, though that's coming up soon as well |
| 09:30.37 | vladzouth | Hi, i have some issue with echo program. I fact i use it to add some string into a file but when i see the result in the file, i have many null character appended at the beginning of my string. Is someone experienced this kind of thing? Thank you |
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| 09:31.45 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:31.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:32.29 | jelly | vladzouth, can you show the exact commands you're running with the whole output? pipe to, say, hexdump -C, to show null bytes |
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| 09:33.49 | jelly | vladzouth, also: which shell are you using; what is the output file size before and after appending |
| 09:35.30 | vladzouth | i run the following command: echo "./psycopg2-2.7.5-py2.7-linux-x86_64.egg/" >> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools.pthAnd here is the result: https://pastebin.com/ne7FZPGG |
| 09:36.38 | jelly | vladzouth, which debian release? which shell? |
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| 09:41.18 | jim | hi. I've been having trouble with the debian-installed version of pyqt5, and no trouble with one in a venv... I wonder if someone could do the very first project (the hello world box) in this tutorial: https://build-system.fman.io/pyqt5-tutorial starting at: "create a gui" |
| 09:41.46 | vladzouth | jelly, i not using a debian, my system is and embedded system based on the 4.13 linux kernel builded by using yocto. the bash version is 4.3.39 |
| 09:42.10 | jim | the results of that test would tell me whether my installation is flawed, or the pyqt5 packages have something wrong with them |
| 09:42.43 | jelly | vladzouth, then you're asking in the wrong place, try ##linux if there's no channel for your distro. If you can reproduce the same problem on Debian you can ask here. |
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| 09:42.54 | jelly | !yocto |
| 09:43.16 | blackflow | jim: what kind of trouble? |
| 09:44.01 | jim | it crashes on the second line "app = QApplication([])" |
| 09:44.40 | vladzouth | okay jelly, i thought my issue were a general issue in GNU/Linux system |
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| 09:44.47 | vladzouth | Thank you |
| 09:44.47 | han-solo | although, using system pip to install things is not a good idea, try a venv ? |
| 09:44.56 | han-solo | system pip as root |
| 09:45.02 | jelly | jim, which debian release? python3 or 2? |
| 09:45.18 | jelly | vladzouth, this is not the right place for general issues. We help users of Debian. |
| 09:45.53 | jim | jelly, python3, stretch (which I don't have anymore on this machine) and buster |
| 09:46.45 | jim | vladzouth, you're welcome to ask those more general questions on ##linux |
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| 09:48.23 | vladzouth | jim: Ok thank you ! |
| 09:49.04 | jim | welcome :) |
| 09:49.31 | jelly | jim, does not crash on my stretch desktop at work. Does not open a window over ssh -X, either, but it does not crash |
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| 09:50.15 | jim | (having said that, (1) your milage may vary, and (2) we have some rules there that we ask folks to follow. I won'[t tell you those here, they're on the website) |
| 09:50.24 | jelly | oh there's the window, it's so tiny I didn't even notice it in top left |
| 09:51.07 | starscreamer | Hi, I'm trying to get Stretch to rotate the GUI screen display 90 degrees on boot. I can do this using the GUI but I need to do it from config so I can change it remotely if necessary when I won't have GUI access. I've tried adding a xrandr line in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, /etc/rc.local, /etc/xdg/autostart/setscreen.desktop and various other places but it doesn't work |
| 09:51.11 | jim | jelly, ok, so there must be somethign wrong with my system |
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| 09:52.16 | jim | (something that stuck with me since before I upgraded the machine to buster) |
| 09:52.26 | jelly | verify you don't have env. vars set to a mix of virtualenv and system, strace -f -eopen and hunt for non-packaged stuff |
| 09:56.29 | jim | I'm checking it on a stretch machine I have access to... the earlier crash didn't happen |
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| 09:58.49 | jim | yep, no doubt, it worked fine |
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| 10:00.41 | jim | now it's workign on the original machine :/ |
| 10:01.27 | jim | spoke too soon |
| 10:01.45 | jim | second line failed again |
| 10:02.37 | jim | let's try as a different user |
| 10:04.50 | jim | here's the run as the original user: https://termbin.com/2kek |
| 10:05.50 | jelly | that does not look like strace -f -eopen ... |
| 10:06.07 | jim | no, it was just the run |
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| 10:06.35 | jim | I'm getting there |
| 10:06.57 | jim | what would I strace? the python3 run? |
| 10:07.05 | jelly | you might or might not want to disable KDE's crash handler there first |
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| 10:07.30 | jelly | you'd strace the command that crashes. |
| 10:07.54 | jim | I'm inside python when I run that |
| 10:08.46 | jelly | it might be easier to put the sample app in a .py script instead of using the interactive interpreter, but strace the interactive run is also possible |
| 10:09.00 | jim | can I "strace" a single python command? I guess I could put the commands in a python script and strace the run of that |
| 10:09.21 | jelly | yes |
| 10:09.22 | jim | yeah, just what I was thinking |
| 10:10.35 | jim | ok, lemme work on that |
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| 10:14.10 | themill | jim: try passing an argument to QApplication; I don't think you can give it an empty array like that |
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| 10:15.20 | jim | themill, maybe so, but see: https://build-system.fman.io/pyqt5-tutorial under "Create a GUI" |
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| 10:16.37 | jim | themill, that same invocation worked on the machine I sshed to, worked for jelly, and I dunno, maybe others tested it here too |
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| 10:18.31 | themill | jim: try passing an argument to QApplication; I don't think you can give it an empty array like that |
| 10:19.56 | jim | I heard you :) the tutorial does have that line exactly, and it does work everywhere except my main machine |
| 10:20.02 | themill | gives up |
| 10:20.10 | jim | what would I pass instead of the empty array? |
| 10:20.47 | jim | I'm trying to put the strace output together |
| 10:21.14 | themill | the documentation says to use sys.argv |
| 10:22.03 | jim | so, QApplication(sys.argv)? |
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| 10:23.24 | jim | themill, did you run pydoc3 QApplication? |
| 10:23.30 | jelly | what do you mean "documentation" |
| 10:23.37 | jelly | hides |
| 10:23.47 | jim | that's what I'm asking too |
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| 10:27.05 | jim | jelly, themill, here's the strace log (still QApplication([])) |
| 10:27.07 | jim | https://termbin.com/desv |
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| 10:29.37 | jelly | jim, that's more than just open() |
| 10:30.01 | jim | oh, forgot to add the filter, I'll paste again. |
| 10:30.13 | jelly | make it -e open,openat |
| 10:30.34 | jelly | apparently glibc has learned new things about Linux in the meantime |
| 10:30.36 | jim | meanwhile, themill's idea worked, passing sys.argv made it work |
| 10:31.15 | jim | i.e., app = QApplication(sys.argv) |
| 10:34.18 | jim | jelly, here's the filtered strace log: https://termbin.com/qkj7 |
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| 10:47.26 | jelly | jim, nothing obvious (ie. /usr/local-y) there |
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| 10:52.36 | starscreamer | Hi all. If I want to run a xrandr command on Stretch when a user has physically logged in how do I do it? I've tried various start up files like .xinitrc etc but nothing seems to work. |
| 10:53.35 | jim | jelly, ok, thanks for checking. still, it's strange that one invocation doesn't work when it's listed in that tutorial |
| 10:53.46 | jim | at least now I can now try the second one |
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| 11:08.27 | otyugh | heya. I've got >50 audio files to cut (begin and end of recording) ; audacity takes ~1minute to load every file, it's too long for me. Is there a tool to cut audio rapidely without loading them ? |
| 11:08.43 | otyugh | Something like "ffmpeg -ss XX -to YY -c copy" ? |
| 11:08.50 | otyugh | (with a gui >.>) |
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| 11:10.38 | jelly | what do you use the gooey for? |
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| 11:12.51 | rant | probably for selecting which parts to cut out |
| 11:13.52 | otyugh | rant, yep |
| 11:14.10 | otyugh | avidemux maybe does that ? |
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| 11:14.29 | otyugh | something that would be in debian's repo would be great |
| 11:14.36 | rant | I dont think thats even available anymore |
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| 11:15.06 | rant | the issue is not loading, but importing.. its having to convert audio to a waveform then render that waveform graphically |
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| 11:18.03 | rant | ,i ardour |
| 11:18.04 | judd | Package ardour (sound, extra) in stretch/amd64: the digital audio workstation. Version: 1:5.5.0~dfsg-1+b1; Size: 7861.3k; Installed: 35083k; Homepage: http://www.ardour.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/ardour |
| 11:18.37 | rant | there are probably a lot of things that can do it, but they're all, if they use gui, are going to have a bottleneck on import/export |
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| 11:18.58 | otyugh | well |
| 11:19.03 | rant | you reduce that bottleneck with a modern cpu with decoders, and an ssd |
| 11:19.15 | otyugh | if I'm cutting only, there is really no need for conversion/import/export in any way |
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| 11:19.44 | rant | yes there is, to get it into the GUI |
| 11:19.52 | otyugh | No. |
| 11:20.05 | rant | yes. |
| 11:20.06 | otyugh | When you read an audio file, do you import it completely ? |
| 11:20.21 | rant | its translated to PCM in realtime typically |
| 11:20.24 | otyugh | I know i'm right because I do cut things with ffmpeg and a audio reader |
| 11:20.28 | otyugh | yep |
| 11:20.35 | otyugh | No total conversion |
| 11:20.36 | rant | and if you want to see that waveform visually, all at once.. you gotta import it |
| 11:20.36 | otyugh | oin any way |
| 11:20.47 | otyugh | I don't want waveforms |
| 11:20.54 | otyugh | I just want to listen and to cut |
| 11:21.18 | rant | otyugh: you could script that fairly trivially |
| 11:21.40 | otyugh | With what tools ? |
| 11:21.59 | rant | any you like really.. sox, mplayer, ffmpeg, whatever |
| 11:21.59 | otyugh | I'm doing this with mpv and ffmpeg actually, and it's pretty much an hassle |
| 11:22.04 | otyugh | to parse the too :x |
| 11:22.33 | otyugh | mhm |
| 11:22.46 | otyugh | maybe a bash function would do the trick indeed. |
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| 11:26.22 | rant | audacity can also edit in place without importing, its just not as safe that way |
| 11:26.36 | rant | just gotta change the preferences |
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| 13:10.40 | EdePopede | PDO names python-pelican as transitional dummy package, but i can't see nothing related in dpkg's output |
| 13:11.28 | EdePopede | oh nvm, it does. forgot the python- another time |
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| 13:23.16 | starscreamer | Anyone around able to assist me in getting xrandr to rotate display at start up please? Stretch. |
| 13:24.25 | EdePopede | after login? i'd put in into .profile then, but check if it's X etc. |
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| 13:25.50 | starscreamer | can I just put the shell commend in .profile? |
| 13:25.53 | starscreamer | command* |
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| 13:26.40 | EdePopede | # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells. |
| 13:26.47 | EdePopede | so yepp, that's why it is there |
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| 13:27.20 | EdePopede | but if you use bash look into the comment at its start and check your existing bash startup scripts |
| 13:27.39 | jelly | starscreamer, maybe, just maybe, putting it in ~/.xsession might work |
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| 13:30.24 | starscreamer | the .profile file says 'this file is not read by basj(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login exists |
| 13:30.29 | starscreamer | bash* |
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| 13:31.27 | starscreamer | ah is ok they don't exist |
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| 13:31.45 | starscreamer | I put the command in the .profile file and it doesn't seem to run |
| 13:32.01 | starscreamer | when I run xrandr in terminal it runs fine |
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| 13:35.42 | EdePopede | maybe some setting doesn't exist yet. put a `set > $somefile` next to it, then run the command from the terminal (with another targetfile) and do a diff on them. |
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| 13:40.36 | michael_to | hello, I have a process that uses ~100% of a core. Doing a strace shows a LOT of futex and sched_yield. Can this be the cause of the ~100%? |
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| 13:58.01 | manojk | Hello Every one |
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| 14:01.28 | jelly | helloooo |
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| 14:08.24 | starscreamer | Ah I've managed to fix my issue |
| 14:08.53 | starscreamer | still couldn't get xrandr to rotate using .profile but I created a .desktop file in autostart in .config and that worked |
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| 14:10.26 | Haohmaru | i've rotated my display via xrandr too, and i notice a decrease in redraw times |
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| 14:11.32 | Haohmaru | maybe something bout the nvidia.. |
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| 14:34.42 | AndreasLutro | is there a way to do Depends: mypkg (= 2.3.4) and not have to specify the iteration number? basically I'd like my package to work with any 2.3.4-x version, preferably without having to resort to >= and << |
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| 14:37.14 | jelly | AndreasLutro, the right way to do that _is_ with >= and << |
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| 14:38.23 | jelly | Depends: mypkg (>= 2.3.4), mypkg (<< 2.3.5~) or so |
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| 14:43.49 | finn0 | When I switch b/w network interfaces network manager automatically overide my previous DNS configure in /etc/resolve.conf file and even sometime network manager automatically generate a new profile. Can I prevent this from happening and fix DNS server address depsite of switching b/w network interfaces? |
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| 14:54.58 | AndreasLutro | jelly: I see, thanks. for reasons that's a bit tricky for me to do but if there's no alternative then I geuss that's what we have to do |
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| 15:18.15 | appa | hello! I've got a bit of a history project. I'm trying to bring a efika mx smartbook up to something more current that 2012 distro. https://www.powerdeveloper.org/asset/by-id/136 I had ubuntu 12.04 on there but upgrading to 14.04 was EoL and there were issues with armel support dying off in 14.04. I'm curious about any advice or clues on how to proceed, I'm hoping a debian build may be more forgiving |
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| 15:20.37 | jelly | appa, not much to say apart from "try it and see", and perhaps ask in the arm-architecture channel |
| 15:20.39 | jelly | !arm |
| 15:20.39 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:21.17 | jelly | appa, note that #debian-arm is on a different IRC network. You might have to register and identify with OFTC NickServ to talk |
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| 15:42.46 | jelly | !buster release |
| 15:42.46 | dpkg | Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster |
| 15:42.54 | jelly | !buster pool 1 |
| 15:42.55 | dpkg | ! fmneto=2019-10-15 coruja=2019-06-25 themÃll=2019-06-15 jëlly=2019-08-01 petn-rándall=2019-07-28 |
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| 15:49.53 | appa | thanks jelly |
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| 15:51.47 | jasonwc | For some reason, scrolling and dragging windows is never really smooth on my main desktop in Gnome. I'm using a GTX 1080 Ti with the Nvidia 418.74 drivers packaged with Buster. I force Full Composition Pipeline in the Nvidia driver which is supposed to prevent tearing. The same system on Windows is very smooth on my 144Hz monitor. |
| 15:52.07 | jasonwc | I don't see these issues on another desktop with Intel integrated graphics, particularly with Wayland. |
| 15:52.19 | jasonwc | Is there any solution or is this just how it is? |
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| 15:53.14 | jelly | picking the particular set of drivers, versions and now X vs Wayland to avoid tearing on Linux has always been a nontrivial task |
| 15:53.59 | jelly | gave up |
| 15:54.25 | jasonwc | Yeah, I've never had an experience on this system as I get on Windows with the latest Nvidia driver. |
| 15:54.28 | jelly | maybe you can do it! I believe in you! |
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| 15:55.03 | jasonwc | I've used Jessy, Stretch, and Buster with both the standard and backported Nvidia drivers. Looked for solutions online. Never found a true solution. |
| 15:55.14 | jasonwc | Is it primarily an Nvidia issue or just a desktop Linux issue? |
| 15:55.21 | jasonwc | I primarily use Linux on servers. |
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| 15:56.32 | diogenes_ | jasonwc, tried: nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceCompositionPipeline = On }" |
| 15:56.51 | rising | I'm on debian 9 trying to set up mail with exim4 |
| 15:57.06 | rising | so I can get php mail() working |
| 15:57.44 | rising | I send mail from bash using mail and also sendmail and it says it sent but I receive nothing |
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| 15:57.58 | rising | where do I start fixing this? |
| 15:58.12 | jasonwc | diogenes_, I just have " Option "metamodes" "DP-0: nvidia-auto-select +0+0 {ForceCompositionPipeline=On, ForceFullCompositionPipeline=On}, DVI-D-0: nvidia-auto-select +2560+0 {ForceCompositionPipeline=On, ForceFullCompositionPipeline=On}"" |
| 15:58.57 | jelly | rising, where do you expect mail to be delivered, to a local account or to a remote email address on the internet? |
| 15:59.48 | jelly | rising, exim4 stores logs in /var/log/exim4 (mainlog is probably the first place to look at) |
| 16:00.08 | diogenes_ | jasonwc, and does it make any difference with and without those options? |
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| 16:00.22 | jasonwc | diogenes_, Yeah, it improves things, but it's still smoother on Windows |
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| 16:01.55 | jasonwc | thanks for your help - I have to head out now |
| 16:01.58 | diogenes_ | jasonwc, have you tried a different DE? maybe you need a newer version of gnome. |
| 16:02.08 | diogenes_ | ok |
| 16:02.08 | jasonwc | Yeah, also Cinammon |
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| 16:32.44 | Battaglin | release still set for saturday ? |
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| 16:32.49 | Battaglin | go go go |
| 16:32.49 | Battaglin | :D |
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| 16:34.31 | dvs | files lots of bugs |
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| 16:36.10 | vktec | I'm having some trouble getting directvnc working. /dev/fb0 doesn't exist, even after modprobe'ing fbdev (which doesn't show up in lsmod afterwards either). I'm using the amdgpu driver |
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| 16:43.22 | NetTerminalGene | wayland has drag and drop problem |
| 16:43.43 | Battaglin | noo dvs |
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| 17:07.49 | rising | var/log/exim4 says permission denied |
| 17:10.28 | rwp | rising, Add yourself to the 'adm' group, log out, log back in, and you should be able to read the /var/log files that are group adm. sudo adduser rising adm |
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| 17:12.43 | rising | okay so what's wrong https://pastebin.com/H9DVdCN9 |
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| 17:20.45 | ca1ek | is it even possible to get python 3.7 on debian stable by some sane way? |
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| 17:22.41 | jmcnaught | ca1ek: you could upgrade to buster which will be the new stable in two days, or you can install it to /opt from source and use venv or virtualenvs, maybe also check out pyenv. |
| 17:23.16 | jmcnaught | ca1ek: you definitely don't want to replace the existing python3 by installing python 3.7 into /usr or /usr/local, because system utilities depend on that version of python |
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| 17:23.49 | ca1ek | if I just grab the python3.7 package from buster, will it overwrite 3.5? |
| 17:23.56 | jmcnaught | rising: something else is using that port, try 'sudo ss -tlpn' |
| 17:24.09 | jmcnaught | ca1ek: no that's not safe to do, don't mix Debian releases |
| 17:24.29 | jmcnaught | ca1ek: just install it somewhere not on the $PATH and use it there, or upgrade to buster |
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| 17:25.51 | rising | https://pastebin.com/xjMx7yck |
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| 17:26.56 | jmcnaught | rising: you have sendmail-mta running there, did you install the sendmail package? That's another MTA like exim4 but much more difficult to configure. |
| 17:27.30 | jmcnaught | rising: sendmail is an MTA, and it is also a command provided by other MTAs to maintain compatibility with sendmail |
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| 17:27.36 | rising | well ultimately what's going to work with php mail function |
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| 17:28.15 | rising | I want my myBB to be able to sent mail from php as taellinglin@risingtide.international |
| 17:28.27 | rising | for stuff like email activation etc |
| 17:28.35 | rising | so idk what to use |
| 17:29.01 | rising | outgoing only is okay but I'll eventually want to recieve as well |
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| 17:29.29 | rising | or set up a webmail gmail-like clone for doing mail stuff |
| 17:29.34 | jmcnaught | rising: pick one MTA and stick to it, preferably something easier than sendmail |
| 17:29.45 | rising | exim4? |
| 17:30.05 | rising | okay so do I uninstall ppurge sendmail? |
| 17:30.42 | jmcnaught | rising: yes I would purge the sendmail package but as always pay attention to what else it wants to remove |
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| 17:33.25 | jmcnaught | rising: how familiar are you with SMTP? |
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| 17:56.00 | areyouloco | where can I get pre-release buster? |
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| 18:05.31 | LtL | areyouloco: from the repo's if you have debian installed, -or- https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ # assuming 64bit |
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| 18:14.06 | EdePopede | what manpage has the options for the grub bootline? |
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| 18:16.57 | jezebel | do you mean for the kernel? |
| 18:17.04 | jezebel | try man 7 kernel-command-line |
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| 18:18.57 | EdePopede | ARGH. no, nothing systemd related. also not 7 bootparam. i think it was something with grub, only what |
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| 18:19.53 | EdePopede | i mean the option in the 'linux' line of the grub boot command |
| 18:19.54 | derlg | I just started reading this last weeks news, Debian changed the logo to rainbow swirl? Or this was just temporary? |
| 18:20.07 | EdePopede | pride month or something |
| 18:20.19 | derlg | EdePopede: ah ok. im cool with that then |
| 18:20.19 | EdePopede | oh right, it was 50 years ago |
| 18:20.20 | FellowTraveller | hello can you tell me if it's possible to forward http(s) traffic from machine 1.1.1.1 through a linux machine 2.2.2.2:1000 with iptables to the machine 3.3.3.3:2000 with squid proxy. Im playing with dnat/snat iptables in order to redirect all incoming traffic on 2.2.2.2:1000 to 3.3.3.3:2000, i've set squid 3.3.3.3 to intercept port 2000 i can see incoming traffic on tcpdump on 3.3.3.3:2000 when i connect from 1.1.1.1 to 2.2.2.2:1000 but it's not worki |
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| 18:22.03 | FellowTraveller | ;0 |
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| 18:23.33 | EdePopede | jezebel: it was live-config(7) |
| 18:23.36 | appa | so I've got a dependancy knot that aptitude can't untie, any advice or things I can look for? |
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| 18:25.46 | jezebel | oh ok |
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| 18:46.52 | areyouloco | thx |
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| 18:47.33 | areyouloco | LtL: thats weekly builds. But I saw somewhere the RC version |
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| 18:48.05 | strive | Does MX Linux not have an official channel on freenode? |
| 18:48.17 | jmcnaught | appa: '/msg dpkg bat' for the basic apt troubleshooting factoid, the info we need to help with such a problem |
| 18:48.41 | InvisibleRasta2 | heya guys i am getting an error when running apt update. |
| 18:48.50 | InvisibleRasta2 | Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.PackageKit was not provided by any .service files |
| 18:50.58 | LtL | areyouloco: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/buster_di_rc3/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 18:51.18 | jmcnaught | InvisibleRasta2: are you running 'apt update' as root? |
| 18:51.49 | InvisibleRasta2 | jmcnaught: as su -l as i am chrooted in the system |
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| 18:52.55 | LtL | areyouloco: sorry about that |
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| 18:54.40 | jmcnaught | InvisibleRasta2: you could try temporarily moving /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20packagekit to another location |
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| 18:56.36 | InvisibleRasta2 | jmcnaught: yeah that did the trick |
| 18:56.48 | InvisibleRasta2 | do i have to place it back to where it belongs? |
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| 18:57.46 | jmcnaught | InvisibleRasta2: I would put it back once you get things back to non-chroot normal, but the file is probably unnecessary if you are always using apt as root on the command line |
| 18:59.26 | InvisibleRasta2 | i see thank you |
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| 19:01.37 | EdePopede | is there a usable editor on the live system? i don't have probems with vim for basic editing, but whatever it is on live, i don't get it to change a string in a config |
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| 19:05.10 | jmcnaught | EdePopede: is nano there? |
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| 19:05.23 | EdePopede | never used it, let me look for a screenshot |
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| 19:05.46 | EdePopede | ah that one. chechink |
| 19:05.58 | EdePopede | yep |
| 19:06.44 | J_C | excited for deb 10 release, whoop |
| 19:08.49 | EdePopede | i just hope this works > Set CHARSET=UTF8 in /etc/default/console-setup. Run systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl restart console-setup.service afterwards. |
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| 19:09.28 | EdePopede | can't remember from the last time what i did to stop broken utf output on tty2. or if i even fixed it :/ |
| 19:10.11 | appa | thanks jmcnaught, I decided to start over, but if I run into the same probem... |
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| 19:14.05 | EdePopede | yay, worked. only it was CHARMAP. |
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| 19:26.56 | karlpinc | EdePopede: FWIW, you can install packages on a live system. Of course you need network, or something, and persistance must be arranged. |
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| 19:38.05 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a command I can use to get the make and model of my monitor so I don't have to move it to see the back of it? |
| 19:38.22 | Lady_Aleena | I already tried lshw, but I didn't see the monitor listed. |
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| 19:38.41 | tehnull | have you tried checking the on screen display menu of the monitor? |
| 19:38.53 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: sudo dmidecode most likely |
| 19:38.54 | EdePopede | karlpinc: no network, i have some .deb's on a partition, no problem so far. but no persistance, didn't get it yet. plans for when i'm through the recent problems: buster, local repo, persistance. |
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| 19:42.15 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I didn't see it, but I don't know what I am looking for in the output. |
| 19:43.41 | Lady_Aleena | tehnull, I didn't think of that. *head desks* |
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| 19:44.29 | tehnull | well |
| 19:44.31 | tehnull | in your defense |
| 19:44.43 | tehnull | a lot of them don't display the model number |
| 19:44.45 | tehnull | or bury it |
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| 19:46.28 | Lady_Aleena | I can't seem to get to the monitor menu, for all I know it is disabled or just doesn't work anymore. |
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| 19:48.11 | tehnull | well |
| 19:48.15 | tehnull | was worth a shot eh? |
| 19:50.08 | Lady_Aleena | Yes, it was. Looks like I will have to move the monitor or get my cell behind it to snap a picture. |
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| 19:52.22 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: grep -i monitor /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:53.42 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I guess I am using the default monitor configuration. |
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| 19:55.33 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: there is no specific name? try grep -i monitor /var/log/Xorg.log.1 or stretch may be /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 19:56.34 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, no specific name. (The latter was the one that existed on my system.) |
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| 19:57.44 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1090328/ |
| 20:00.12 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: my guess is your system doesn't know or read the monitor EDID or something, aim your phone behind it and snap a shot of the serial tag :) |
| 20:01.01 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, that is the backup plan. |
| 20:01.28 | HideMe | Anyone know the default time for rate limiting with ufw? |
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| 20:02.33 | HideMe | I've been getting ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer after too many failed logins, not sure if it's UFW or SSH preventing me now.... |
| 20:03.00 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: you want read-edid and/or edid-decode |
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| 20:03.32 | phogg | monitors don't always report real info that way, but if they do that's how you'll get it |
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| 20:08.35 | Lady_Aleena | Well, I tried to get a photo of the stickers on the back of my monitor, but the connectors and cords are in the way. |
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| 20:10.00 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: both packages phogg mentioned exist in buster, not sure about stretch. i would try those if possible. |
| 20:10.01 | jal` | hi, i'm having high memory usage and bad performance on my desktop with 4GB RAM. i have an SSD so i shouldn't use a swap partition right. debian x64 chrome xmonad emacs |
| 20:10.27 | y0gur7 | run top or htop to see what processes are consuming the most memory |
| 20:10.53 | phogg | LtL: both are also in stretch |
| 20:11.19 | LtL | phogg: thanks, never knew they existed |
| 20:11.45 | phogg | tl;dr apt-get install read-edid ; get-edid | parse-edid |
| 20:12.21 | phogg | sadly YMM and probably will V, because lots of monitors seem to assume that putting vendor strings in the Windows .inf file is good enough. |
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| 20:12.56 | jal` | chromium is eating a ton of memory |
| 20:13.03 | jal` | only youtube open |
| 20:13.16 | jal` | extensions hmm |
| 20:13.18 | phogg | jal`: that's the modern web for you |
| 20:14.20 | LtL | actually this box is using a 22 inch Asus, although it's made by Ancor Communications.. pfft |
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| 20:19.21 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, how do I use read-edid since it is already installed? There is no man entry. |
| 20:22.12 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: get-edid | parse-edid |
| 20:22.20 | phogg | no man page?! that's a paddling |
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| 20:24.06 | Lady_Aleena | man read-edid: No manual entry for read-edid |
| 20:25.15 | phogg | Lady_Aleena: the package name doesn't correspond to a binary name, that's why. Man pages exist for the two commands. |
| 20:26.16 | Lady_Aleena | Looks like I have to shut down my computer, unplug all the connectors, and turn this thing around to hopefully get the make and model. sudo get-edid | parse-edid didn't get me any closer. My monitor is over a decade old. |
| 20:26.47 | phogg | why shut down? You can hotplug monitors |
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| 20:27.56 | Lady_Aleena | At least get some clips to clip the cords so that they don't fall behind my desk. Working on the hardware of my computer is a pain, mostly rug burn. |
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| 20:29.33 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: why do you need to know? curious |
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| 20:31.19 | Lady_Aleena | LtL, I am considering getting a new monitor because this one is so old that it is starting to show its age. It is a pre-led flat screen monitor with a slight issue near the bottom of the screen. |
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| 20:31.55 | Lady_Aleena | There is a slightly darker patch near the bottom of the screen. |
| 20:33.05 | LtL | Lady_Aleena: anything decent is going to work, just plug it in |
| 20:33.25 | LtL | a reboot may be in order |
| 20:33.41 | Lady_Aleena | I would like one that has the doohickeys on the bottom where I can slide my central speakers onto it. |
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| 20:34.42 | Lady_Aleena | The patch shows up even after the monitor has been powered down for several hours. I turn it off whenever I know I won't be back to it for more than an hour. |
| 20:35.16 | LtL | i never turn mine off, i just let it sleep |
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| 20:36.14 | Lady_Aleena | Since my dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch, my monitor doesn't wake up after sleep. I end up having to turn the computer off at the button and restarting it. |
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| 20:36.39 | Lady_Aleena | So, it just goes dark but still turned on. |
| 20:37.36 | Lady_Aleena | The dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch messed a few things up on my system that annoy me. Hopefully the upgrade from stretch to buster fixes them. |
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| 20:40.17 | Lady_Aleena | is hoping for the best (a good upgrade), but is prepared for the worst (everything getting screwed up again). |
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| 20:50.47 | appa | I've got a package issue but the requested outputs are bigger than pastbin wants to deal with |
| 20:51.58 | appa | https://paste.debian.net/1090335/ |
| 20:53.21 | appa | https://paste.debian.net/1090336/ |
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| 20:53.42 | appa | basically it looks like every package is angry :( |
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| 20:56.40 | tehnull | you should add [trusted=yes] in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/reponame.list |
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| 20:56.58 | tehnull | for example in my weechat.list file I have: deb [trusted=yes] https://weechat.org/debian stretch main |
| 20:57.18 | tehnull | for the repos that don't have keys |
| 20:57.26 | tehnull | for the rest of the stuff I have no idea lol |
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| 21:14.39 | donofrio | if I install debian from wsl using this way https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-your-linux-distribution-of-choice would you good folks be the ones that I would come to for issues within debian (if any issues existed that I probably caused or something like that) |
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| 21:17.02 | Battaglin | there wont be any issues :D |
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| 21:20.33 | Deihmos | i have data on partition 2 and free space on partition 1. Is it possible to merge free space in partition 1 with 2 or does it only work if the partition is after? |
| 21:21.41 | donofrio | Deihmos, did you just install it? |
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| 21:22.10 | Deihmos | it is a usb hard drive |
| 21:22.31 | Deihmos | i converted it from ntfs to ext4 |
| 21:23.16 | Deihmos | so now the data is is partition 2 and i want to delete partition 1 then combine the drive but it seems to only work if the partition is after |
| 21:23.35 | donofrio | interwebs say 'man resize2fs' ? |
| 21:24.26 | donofrio | Gparted works as frontend to these tools I'm guessing |
| 21:24.39 | donofrio | others here know more I'm sure |
| 21:24.50 | rising | okay I installed and configured exim4 how do I test if it works? |
| 21:25.13 | rising | also purged sendmail |
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| 21:26.31 | donofrio | rising, join #exim |
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| 21:26.48 | donofrio | as well as here |
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| 21:30.27 | rising | when I join exim I get "cannot send to nick/channel |
| 21:30.35 | rising | also https://pastebin.com/KgAzie0s |
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| 21:36.52 | fred`` | i'm feeling a little bit silly, but:i 'accidently' upgraded on stretch to newer apache2 (-t unstable) and want to get back to the 'default stretch' apache2. how to accomplish this ? |
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| 21:37.17 | fred`` | atm it looks to me like: remove apache2 and reinstall |
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| 21:39.04 | roylaprattep | rising: try installing libio-socket-inet6-perl |
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| 22:27.15 | CyberManifest | http://dpaste.com/0GVD102 |
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| 22:30.16 | monpoulpe | only idea righ now : you have apticron or unnatended-upgrades service active ? |
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| 22:30.56 | mureena | Oh nice, isnât async a keyword in python? |
| 22:31.26 | monpoulpe | python noob, sorry :( |
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| 22:32.19 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, yeah, how would I disable them to fix issue? |
| 22:33.00 | monpoulpe | systemctl disable «servicename» (or use autocompletion) |
| 22:33.11 | CyberManifest | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:33.11 | CyberManifest | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.12 | CyberManifest | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 22:34.36 | monpoulpe | do you have aptitude intalled ? try : sudo aptitude install -f |
| 22:34.59 | monpoulpe | you havenât use apt-get intall -f |
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| 22:35.24 | monpoulpe | apt isnât a good wrapper for reverses dependencies |
| 22:36.57 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, http://dpaste.com/0MYRFTT |
| 22:37.39 | monpoulpe | cancel |
| 22:39.07 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, oops, I chose Yes: http://dpaste.com/3KGBQVG |
| 22:39.08 | monpoulpe | first remove this paquage with aptitude purge aptdaemon (do NOT validate without a pastebin if not sure !!!) |
| 22:39.47 | monpoulpe | no problems if you donât reboot |
| 22:40.28 | monpoulpe | remove the aptdaemon paquage and after we will lok your grub problem |
| 22:41.00 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, which do I chose now: http://dpaste.com/327XSM2 ? |
| 22:41.19 | monpoulpe | yes |
| 22:41.27 | monpoulpe | choose yes |
| 22:41.56 | CyberManifest | http://dpaste.com/1ASYNGP |
| 22:42.25 | CyberManifest | chose Yes again? |
| 22:42.33 | monpoulpe | choose yes again |
| 22:43.17 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, http://dpaste.com/2QXMCGC |
| 22:43.38 | humpled | flashplayer-mozilla :o |
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| 22:44.09 | monpoulpe | ok we remove the 2 shitting deb : aptitude purge python3-aptdaemon aptdaemon |
| 22:44.49 | monpoulpe | yes weâre starting from a real bad or old install I think ;) |
| 22:45.20 | CyberManifest | http://dpaste.com/332WQVE |
| 22:45.54 | monpoulpe | no and pastebin of next proposition plz |
| 22:46.00 | mtn | monpoulpe: I think it is lmde3, with added repos |
| 22:46.19 | monpoulpe | ouch bad news |
| 22:46.31 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, http://dpaste.com/2PG2TPS |
| 22:47.23 | CyberManifest | only official Debian repos |
| 22:48.12 | monpoulpe | your in a loop i donât see how to help on it, but anyway we need to check your grub... but seriously, a backup and reinstall will be softer... |
| 22:48.57 | mtn | CyberManifest: packages with ubuntu in their name are not from a debian repo |
| 22:49.07 | monpoulpe | only debian ? youâre pointing on ubuntu rep ;) |
| 22:50.15 | humpled | aptdaemon seems to have been dropped |
| 22:50.19 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, yeah ok, and yeah about a reinstall, but this WAS on a fresh install from this morning; just added all the Debian Repos including Sid; I still don't see why it can't do updates with base as stable and backports at disposal |
| 22:50.44 | monpoulpe | so for grub 1st looking if still here : sudo dpkg -l (pipe iâm not at home and donât found the key) grep grub |
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| 22:51.40 | humpled | add ALL the repos! |
| 22:52.04 | monpoulpe | well so you just learn a lesson : ubuntu and debian are based on the same things but arenât mixable (or you know what youâre doing) |
| 22:52.58 | CyberManifest | mtn, do you wish to confirm my sources: http://dpaste.com/273N83Q |
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| 22:53.25 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, http://dpaste.com/273N83Q |
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| 22:53.40 | CyberManifest | if there were Ubuntu sources then they were in LMDE3 by default |
| 22:53.42 | mtn | CyberManifest: deb-src http://packages.linuxmint.com cindy main upstream import backport romeo is NOT debian! |
| 22:54.00 | xmetal | it's Linux Mint Debian edition, not Debian |
| 22:54.07 | CyberManifest | mtn: I didn't know it was in LMDE |
| 22:54.13 | monpoulpe | bad comparaison but : itâs like youâve installed all yours windows 98 drivers on top of your win10 drivers. Yes both are windows, but not compatibles |
| 22:54.30 | mtn | CyberManifest: then why were you asking for help with it in the mint channel? |
| 22:54.39 | CyberManifest | so I can just uncheck romeo and try again |
| 22:54.40 | CyberManifest | right? |
| 22:54.44 | mtn | no |
| 22:54.45 | humpled | :þ |
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| 22:55.11 | CyberManifest | mtn, because it's "Linux Mint" Debian Edition |
| 22:55.25 | mtn | CyberManifest: which is NOT debian |
| 22:55.28 | monpoulpe | no you can only try and pray : downgrade rarly works under linux :P |
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| 22:55.55 | mtn | !lmde |
| 22:55.55 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 22:56.01 | CyberManifest | mtn: it's not anything evidentially, |
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| 22:56.17 | xmetal | o\ |
| 22:56.31 | CyberManifest | LMDE isn't supported in #linuxmint-help either |
| 22:56.44 | xmetal | off topic for here i bet |
| 22:56.48 | humpled | does it even still exist? |
| 22:56.50 | monpoulpe | well at least youâre learning the ecosystem of linux ;) |
| 22:56.56 | mtn | CyberManifest: they were trying, but you were not telling the truth about what you had |
| 22:57.06 | xmetal | that is why stuff like Manjaro is noot supported in the #arch room |
| 22:57.09 | xmetal | different distros |
| 22:57.27 | CyberManifest | mtn, BULLSHIT! When did I ever not tell the truth about what I had!?! SHOW ME! |
| 22:57.32 | CyberManifest | BULL FUCKING SHIT! |
| 22:57.37 | xmetal | uh oh |
| 22:58.10 | mtn | heh |
| 22:58.12 | CyberManifest | mtn: if your gonna like at least atempt to back it up with facts |
| 22:58.21 | CyberManifest | lie* |
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| 22:58.29 | mtn | CyberManifest: come to mint chat channel and we will discuss |
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| 22:58.46 | monpoulpe | @CyberManifest anyway be carefull I think you havenât any bootloader so you will not be able to reboot, backup before shutdown ! |
| 22:58.47 | xmetal | sorry @ Debian folks |
| 22:59.17 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, how can I fix my bootloader? |
| 22:59.51 | monpoulpe | not guarranted but : sudo apt install -f grub2c |
| 22:59.56 | monpoulpe | not guarranted but : sudo apt install -f grub2 |
| 23:00.09 | xmetal | the boot loader is broken now? |
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| 23:00.50 | monpoulpe | iâve seen a pastebin with remove of grub-pc and grub2 so... |
| 23:01.41 | xmetal | i will stay out of this ... this has been going on in another channel, and some in here are new to "what's going on" ...totally understandable @ any confusiion |
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| 23:02.22 | humpled | i'm not confused |
| 23:02.39 | monpoulpe | @CyberManifest just check if itâs here with : dpkg -l | grep grub |
| 23:03.26 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, http://dpaste.com/0QYCWXH |
| 23:03.28 | monpoulpe | I tottally assume and will still try to save his system, no challenge, no gain ! |
| 23:03.31 | mureena | Is this the helldesk or #debian chat |
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| 23:04.00 | monpoulpe | youâre good youâre able to boot/reboot |
| 23:04.54 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, alright, thank you :) |
| 23:04.54 | monpoulpe | but I will not assume your aptdeamon thingâs related are ok ;) |
| 23:05.04 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, I understand |
| 23:05.19 | monpoulpe | yes ! |
| 23:05.33 | monpoulpe | and this too python3-aptdaemon.gtk3widgets |
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| 23:05.50 | monpoulpe | the rest seems to be almost usable |
| 23:05.59 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, indeed |
| 23:06.07 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, thank you for your help |
| 23:06.11 | humpled | except for the 666 packages not upgraded |
| 23:06.16 | CyberManifest | evil |
| 23:06.23 | monpoulpe | your welcome was fun ;) |
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| 23:07.35 | monpoulpe | he mixed repos, so thoses 666 deb arenât to update, itâs just his apt which can,t do his pinning and loosing his head |
| 23:07.43 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, happy 4th of July too by the way. |
| 23:08.22 | monpoulpe | Well donât know what is it but anyway thanks |
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| 23:08.40 | monpoulpe | (googling 4 july)... |
| 23:08.49 | xmetal | USA holiday |
| 23:08.56 | humpled | apparently it's a vain imitation of Bastille day |
| 23:09.02 | CyberManifest | monpoulpe, oh, sorry, it's a USA holiday to celebrate America's Independence \ |
| 23:09.05 | monpoulpe | Holy **** Iâm ashamed ! |
| 23:09.39 | monpoulpe | I have to know it sorry so happy national day for all ;) |
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| 23:12.58 | monpoulpe | @humpled same coutry than me so ? ;) |
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| 23:16.25 | rant | you do realize you're on IRC right? |
| 23:16.32 | Chex | hahah |
| 23:16.34 | rant | this is NOT twitter |
| 23:16.54 | Chex | @rant: oh yeah??? I think your RONG! |
| 23:17.18 | Chex | @chex: __you're___ |
| 23:17.30 | rant | no, I'm definately not.. @ here means someone has a user mode that gives them control of the channel |
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| 23:19.08 | epsilon | RT @rant this is NOT twitter #irc #twitter #debian |
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| 23:19.22 | rant | @.@ |
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| 23:20.36 | User | I am now USER |
| 23:20.42 | User | like in TRON |
| 23:20.47 | User | USSSERRRRR |
| 23:20.55 | rant | goes to sleep |
| 23:20.56 | User | YOOOOZER |
| 23:21.06 | rant | dpkg, yinzersmite User |
| 23:21.06 | dpkg | pooshes User aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". |
| 23:22.18 | User | how do I change my username on IrC |
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| 23:27.24 | User | why? |
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| 23:32.34 | BunkyFob | morning all... am in a bit of a bind... either I've misconfigured something, or uninstalled the wrong thing... now when I log in, my desktop shows, but none of the menubar, etc, do [using lxqt] |
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| 23:43.54 | LtL | User: click on 'hexchat' > network list > edit network > set username etc |
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