| 00:01.12 | Tom-_ | ZitZ, well, you can probably do that |
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| 00:01.45 | Tom-_ | BunkyFob, I don't really know what's going on there, but maybe you can try creating a temporary username and seein gif LXQT still works from there |
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| 00:02.24 | BunkyFob | if only I could log out without rebooting :/ |
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| 00:10.36 | appa | what's the best way to recover a system that has hundreds of out of date packages? |
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| 00:12.46 | epsilon | appa: is apt dist-upgrade not an option? |
| 00:12.55 | LtL | BunkyFob: do you have a 'lxqt-leave' manpage? |
| 00:13.47 | appa | epsilon: I get hundreds of lines of warnings then it ends in something about dependancies breaking |
| 00:14.13 | epsilon | appa: sounds bad |
| 00:14.39 | appa | I'm attempting a more targeted approach... yeah, it looks like apt-get is removing half my system right now |
| 00:14.53 | epsilon | external package source / different debian versions on the system? |
| 00:15.17 | epsilon | take a look at /etc/apt/ |
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| 00:15.54 | appa | yeah those didn't work either |
| 00:16.26 | LtL | appa: are you mixing releases, any idea what caused it? |
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| 00:16.57 | epsilon | if it's a netbook/notebook, save the list of packages, backup everything and reinstall from scratch |
| 00:16.59 | appa | no, it came with Sid, I'm newish to debian so I don't exactly know what everything is |
| 00:17.00 | FunkyBob | well, seems I fixed it... either a minor config change, or some package removal... we'll never know |
| 00:17.03 | FunkyBob | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 00:17.10 | appa | normally I stick with ubuntu |
| 00:17.40 | LtL | appa: any PPA's in your sources.list? |
| 00:18.12 | appa | nope barebones |
| 00:20.05 | appa | it is an arm7 device |
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| 00:21.08 | LtL | appa: well, i never used Sid, but it breaks |
| 00:21.41 | appa | I think this is something else... something I don't understand, but should be pretty easy |
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| 00:26.54 | appa | I can't figure out if I should worry about these messags: W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package ... |
| 00:27.08 | appa | when I try to update them I get hundreds of them |
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| 00:32.16 | LtL | appa: in 12+ years i don't think i've ever seen 'DepCompareOp' |
| 00:32.30 | appa | it's new for me too |
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| 02:10.11 | einfair | simple question about routing tables and rules - https://gist.github.com/EinstokFair/ea2ce82880d1005ac1dda8bcf4250d35 |
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| 02:14.17 | einfair | solved, thanks |
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| 02:28.59 | magic_ninja_work | so I just install debian on my laptop and I'm having a few issues. First, I'm getting terrible performance with my track pad. It is an Inspiron 7559 |
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| 02:30.34 | OneKekMan | I'm pretty annoyed rn... Why, in this whole quantum field, would man apparmor and man apparmor.d NOT mention the lack of implementation of AppArmor network control code?! Some of us out here like to pirate programs which cost more than a typical blue collar's yearly income, ones which like to signal flare back to sue-happy devs (looking at you: siemens vs 100 john does). It *really* needs to be mentioned in |
| 02:30.37 | OneKekMan | manpages; at least in openbsd this sort of issue (bad doc) is a first class bug! |
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| 02:32.27 | magic_ninja_work | What software, exactly, does Siemens run on linux? |
| 02:33.07 | OneKekMan | NX |
| 02:34.03 | magic_ninja_work | honestly, if you are running a pirated PLM my sympathies for you are pretty limited :) |
| 02:34.04 | OneKekMan | A very killer CAD package. Beats solidworks and inventor to pieces (and therefore pulverizes freecad) |
| 02:34.52 | magic_ninja_work | The whole point of something as extensive as a PLM is that it just always works. You just don't get that with pirated software. |
| 02:35.54 | magic_ninja_work | I don't think SW and ACAD handle lifecycle tracking like PLM does though, do they? |
| 02:36.26 | OneKekMan | It's more than lifecycle, it's the other modeling tools. |
| 02:36.56 | OneKekMan | It's a... game... to me more than a production tool. |
| 02:37.54 | magic_ninja_work | Well, I prefer not to play games with my living in that situation. |
| 02:38.00 | OneKekMan | Class A surfacing, more stable than SW or SE, WAVE, control with expressions. |
| 02:38.28 | magic_ninja_work | I've never used NX, though. Just ACAD and SW. The free alternatives aren't good enough. |
| 02:39.17 | OneKekMan | Have you tried CATIA? |
| 02:40.16 | OneKekMan | Same vendor as SW: Dassault |
| 02:41.04 | OneKekMan | The difference between NX/CATIA and SW/SE/ACAD is night and day. |
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| 02:41.58 | OneKekMan | If you know of someone who has access to NX, go try it. You may like it a lot! |
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| 02:43.42 | magic_ninja_work | Have not tried catia |
| 02:43.56 | magic_ninja_work | I might try to find someone and check it out. Typically I just do electrical schematics. |
| 02:44.17 | magic_ninja_work | I may make a 2D footprint of a 3D model for my cabinets. |
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| 02:45.52 | OneKekMan | I'm either going to have to implement a targeted SELinux policy for /opt/siemens/*, or I'm going to need to deny all network traffic by default (excepting loopback), with rules for the Tor daemon user (and maybe one special 'clear' user) to be granted access. |
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| 02:47.18 | OneKekMan | Yea, definitely try to find one with a hefty license so much of it is accessible. |
| 02:47.42 | OneKekMan | Maybe a reseller in your area can grant you a trial. |
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| 07:36.23 | sehnee | how are priority numbers stored for package in alternatives system? web-fu failed me. say if vim has alternatives priority of 120 where is this data stored? i did dpkg-query -L vim and apt-cache show vim and neither seemed to list anything that says the priority of it |
| 07:37.17 | jelly | sehnee, hunt under /var/lib/dpkg |
| 07:37.46 | jelly | those are not in either dpkg or apt's state |
| 07:38.05 | jelly | they're set up in package installation scripts (postinst, prerm) |
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| 07:45.31 | rdz | hey all. I wrote python script that is going to run on Debian Stretch and Buster hosts. The script actually runs under python (2.X) and python3. how can i make the script automatically use python3 as interpreter on Buster but python on Stretch' |
| 07:45.32 | rdz | ? |
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| 07:46.51 | maxxe | buster yet? |
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| 07:51.28 | CyberManifest | maxxe, 2 days |
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| 07:52.39 | deego | rdz: /usr/bin/python will likely be linked to 3 in buster, and 2 in stretch. So, if you simply use that as the shebang.. |
| 07:53.48 | rdz | deego, i wish that'd be the case but it isn't |
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| 07:54.19 | rdz | there is no /usr/bin/python on a fresh buster install |
| 07:54.28 | rdz | unless you install python2.7 |
| 07:54.33 | Habbie | on my buster, it's a symlink to python2 |
| 07:54.42 | Habbie | i did not specifically pick that |
| 07:54.47 | rdz | you can force the default to be python3, but i was advised not to do that |
| 07:55.05 | rdz | Habbie, what i'm saying |
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| 07:55.35 | Habbie | yes |
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| 08:00.41 | rdz | this situation is a bit unlucky... |
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| 08:01.16 | rdz | not having /usr/bin/python even if python 3.X is installed makes it hard for script maintainers |
| 08:01.27 | rdz | a script can't have two she-bangs, can it? |
| 08:02.17 | sehnee | jelly: thank you! I think I've found the data storage in /var/lib/dpkg/info/vim.postinst as suggested. I am happy that I've found it. |
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| 08:09.34 | jelly | sehnee, that's not the data storage. That's just what sets things up. |
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| 08:10.01 | jelly | sehnee, current state is probably under /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ |
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| 08:10.40 | jelly | rdz, if your script uses python3, use a shebang for python3: #! /usr/bin/python3 |
| 08:10.58 | jelly | rdz, if it uses python2, use #! /usr/bin/python |
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| 08:12.21 | jelly | rdz, /usr/bin/python will be py2 for the foreseeable future, based on PEP-forgot-which-number |
| 08:12.26 | rdz | jelly, my goal is to write a script that runs on debian buster and debian stretch and it would actually run under both, python2 and python3 |
| 08:12.40 | jelly | rdz, pick either 3 or 2. |
| 08:12.42 | rdz | however, there is no way to run one script that runs under both stretch and buster |
| 08:13.18 | rdz | so i have to deploy two different scripts for buster and stretch |
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| 08:13.28 | rdz | just with different shebangs.... that seems so stupid |
| 08:13.30 | jelly | no, just use the same interpreter. |
| 08:13.41 | jelly | use py3 on both, or use py2 on both |
| 08:14.20 | rdz | that would mean megabytes of additional unnecessary package installations |
| 08:14.35 | rdz | but it seems that is the way to go |
| 08:14.53 | rdz | i'd rather deploy a different script (different shebang) on buster hosts |
| 08:14.55 | jelly | or make a shell wrapper that picks one. |
| 08:15.03 | shtrb | Anyone remember autoconf ? I'm trying to solve why the next line fail for me : #libiniparser1-dev is installed, so is libiniparser-dev\n AC_SEARCH_LIBS([iniparser_load], [iniparser1], [ AC_CHECK_HEADERS([iniparser.h], [have_system_iniparser=yes])]) |
| 08:15.19 | rdz | jelly, shell-wrapper.. <- interesting |
| 08:15.21 | rdz | thanks |
| 08:16.33 | jelly | PATH=/usr/bin:/bin; [ -x /usr/bin/python3 ] && exec python3 /path/to/real/script "$@"; exec python /path/to/real/script "$@" |
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| 08:23.15 | sehnee | jelly: yes thank you. I've been thinking so. Matter of reference, because for update-alternatives on the system it is as you say. However as far as who is up in the food chain, the setup script is what gives the current state in dpkg/alternatives/* their value, which was what I was after. My unstated overall goal was to see if one can easily list all possible alternatives for the debian repository itself, |
| 08:23.20 | sehnee | a bit similar to how apt-cache searches, and in ways similar to the Provides meta-info in pkgs. |
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| 08:24.19 | jelly | sehnee, no easy way, grab a full debian mirror and extract all the postinst and analyze :-| |
| 08:24.27 | sehnee | jelly: yes |
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| 08:25.03 | sehnee | jelly: food-for-thought: once done that, the result could be uploaded for each release. |
| 08:25.41 | jelly | there's really no guarantee alternatives won't change within a release (even if it'd be rather unusual) |
| 08:25.57 | jelly | it's on the TODO list for judd bot. |
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| 08:26.32 | sehnee | jelly: I see. Well that would be counter-intuitive than. Thanks for the info. Privately I wouldn't mind that, the per-release is just to induce a maintenance cycle. |
| 08:26.58 | sehnee | s/than/then. :) |
| 08:27.46 | shtrb | Thanks for the help , had a typo there |
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| 08:42.33 | dcpc007 | Hi, my /var/log/wtmp disappear on a debian 7 server, and is not created even after a reboot. Any idea of what happens and how to fix it please ? |
| 08:43.37 | dcpc007 | seen no error in logs, no disk space problem |
| 08:43.45 | dcpc007 | other logs are updated |
| 08:44.18 | deego | rdz: i see. I guess you could create a usr/bin/python that symlinks to python3? |
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| 08:55.52 | rdz | deego, the proper way would be to use update-alternatives to do this |
| 08:56.05 | rdz | but i was told on this channels that this would be a very bad idea |
| 08:56.31 | sehnee | bye |
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| 08:56.44 | rdz | scripts that expect python 2 would end up running python3 as interpreter and probably break |
| 08:57.18 | rdz | from what i heard it's good that debian didn't automatically symlink /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python3 |
| 08:57.27 | rdz | python people seem to agree |
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| 09:03.02 | jelly | deego, you absolutely must not do that |
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| 09:13.57 | deego | ah, fair point. that would probably break other scripts that assume python means python2? Ok, how about link /home/rdz/bin/rdspython to the python of your choice, and use that as the shebang? |
| 09:15.17 | rdz | deego, yeah. i think i'll do something long those lines |
| 09:15.47 | rdz | since the only way the script is going to be deployed is through ansible, i am going to set the python interpreter dynamically at deploytime |
| 09:16.02 | jelly | deego, all the scripts assume /usr/bin/python is python2, and upstream has made a document on tht |
| 09:16.14 | deego | thx |
| 09:17.25 | jelly | PEP-394 |
| 09:17.33 | jelly | maybe |
| 09:17.37 | dcpc007 | no idea on how to reactivate or test the missing /var/log/wtmp ? |
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| 09:18.06 | deego | rdz: btw, why did you upgrade just before the release? |
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| 09:20.01 | jelly | dcpc007, I _think_ a user logging in creates it if missing |
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| 09:20.20 | jelly | ssh in once more, and see |
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| 09:20.43 | rdz | deego, hehe.. i didn't.. i'm just preparing my ansible scripts for Buster |
| 09:20.54 | deego | ah |
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| 09:26.03 | shemtov | news about release d10 buster? |
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| 09:29.14 | tarzeau | shemtov: bigger. better. buster. |
| 09:29.24 | rdz | :-) |
| 09:29.41 | tarzeau | shemtov: https://bits.debian.org/2019/07/upcoming-buster.html |
| 09:29.55 | tarzeau | !buster |
| 09:29.55 | dpkg | The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html, This release is well into its freeze and you can help test it out! Ask me about <install buster> <stretch->buster>. |
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| 09:35.10 | jelly | !buster release |
| 09:35.10 | dpkg | Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00003.html). Celebrate by attending, or hosting, a buster release party: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster |
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| 09:35.35 | Haohmaru | tomorrow? |
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| 09:38.32 | Habbie | tomorrow |
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| 09:39.46 | JyZyXEL | looks like i'd have a 40 minute bus ride to the closest release party |
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| 09:49.40 | dff | is there any practical different updating to buster now instead of waiting for the official release? |
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| 09:50.19 | gour | morning |
| 09:51.09 | nkuttler | dff: we don't know the future |
| 09:51.28 | jelly | dff, not really |
| 09:51.41 | dff | jelly: my thoughts also |
| 09:51.47 | gour | i'm considering to switch to sid to use newer xfce and in order to make snapshots before updating system, do you recommend using xfs (which i currently do on buster) along with lvm or to move to btrfs? |
| 09:52.19 | jelly | use btrfs only if you have reliable backup and restore set up |
| 09:52.48 | gour | my netbook is single-drive system, but on the desktop i use raid-1 setup and never used mdadm on top of lvm. any hint? |
| 09:53.18 | jelly | you will probably want lvm on top of md, not the other way round |
| 09:53.19 | gour | jelly: well, i mostly do daily-backups using restic on my RDX cartridge |
| 09:53.36 | blackflow | gour: even better, go ZFS |
| 09:53.43 | jelly | gour, verify you have restore procedure from bare metal to usable system. |
| 09:53.44 | gour | jelly: lvm on top of md is more secure? |
| 09:53.48 | blackflow | if you know BTRFS, then ZFS concepts ain't gonna be alien to you |
| 09:54.16 | blackflow | gour: it's not about security but logic of layering volume management atop of RAID |
| 09:54.26 | jelly | gour, no, it's just the usual layering |
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| 09:54.46 | gour | blackflow: i did fiddle with zfs when using free/pcbsd in the past, but had a feeling it's a bit memory-hog...no idea about its support on linux now |
| 09:55.18 | gour | blackflow: i meant 'security' when things go wrong |
| 09:55.25 | blackflow | gour: it's support on linux is such that there's no only the "linux version of it"... ZoL is becoming OpenZFS proper and FReeBSD is rebasing to that. I've been using it in professional production for months now. |
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| 09:55.36 | blackflow | *not only |
| 09:56.12 | gour | blackflow: what about support in debian? |
| 09:56.53 | blackflow | gour: and it's not a memory hog. It thrives on RAM yes, but doesn't strictly require it, if you aren't using deduplication or L2ARC mapping. |
| 09:57.06 | blackflow | gour: the aforementioned professional use of ZFS _is_ on Debian (and Ubuntu) |
| 09:57.09 | FellowTraveller | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.09 | FellowTraveller | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.22 | blackflow | gour: it's money making for me, so I trust it that much. So far so good. |
| 09:57.43 | gour | blackflow: do you use zfs for root as well? |
| 09:57.53 | blackflow | gour: yes, I use ZFS exclusively. Atop of LUKS even. |
| 09:58.00 | gour | hmm |
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| 09:58.41 | gour | blackflow: btw, which DE you use? |
| 09:58.47 | blackflow | I don't. i3wm |
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| 10:00.21 | gour | blackflow: ahh, ok. i like(d) it, but prefer some DE for my other family member which do use desktop machine occasionaly |
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| 10:00.54 | dcpc007 | jelly, already done , even reboot |
| 10:01.13 | dcpc007 | i just make a touch /var/log/wtmp and it works ... but strange |
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| 10:02.54 | borw3 | btw, I use arch |
| 10:02.56 | blackflow | gour: for that purpose I'd install GNOME. It's default and just fine for non-power users and non-gamers. KDE is not bad either esp. for the windowsy folks. |
| 10:03.28 | blackflow | How do you recognize an arch user? They'll tell you about it even if you didn't ask them. |
| 10:05.05 | gour | blackflow: i'm considering to move to gnome...i do not need much gnome apps - only light usage of evolution to handle contacts/calendars to sync with android phone (davdroid/baikal) and occasional usage of maps. otherwise, using vim, claws, gnucash, latexd/context... |
| 10:05.56 | borw3 | KDE will rape your CPU, and Gnome will swallow your RAM. |
| 10:07.26 | BCMM | how does KDE use excess cpu? |
| 10:07.40 | BCMM | it can slow your system down with indexing, but that's probably more iowait than cpu |
| 10:08.21 | gour | i simply do not like KDE...didn't use it since 0.9.x times and then tried v5 under manjaro...prefer 'classical' xfce and/or gnome |
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| 10:13.45 | blackflow | gour: xfce is fine, but for "family members" GNOME is better because it has everything set up out of the box. with gvfs you just plug in stuff like mobile phones, it works. the default setup has all the gnome-settings stuff for a full blown deskop experience. now, whether KDE does the same, I don't know, but it's fuller than xfce. |
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| 10:14.15 | blackflow | last time I tried xfce it required some fiddling in that department. Maybe things changed now. |
| 10:15.49 | jelly | dcpc007, you'll also want to chown root:utmp /var/log/wtmp && chmod 0664 /var/log/wtmp, then |
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| 10:16.35 | jelly | that's how logrotate recreates it |
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| 10:22.13 | dcpc007 | jelly, thxn i'll check, but think it's the original /etc/logrotate.conf for debian install |
| 10:22.52 | jelly | that's what's in the default for that file |
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| 10:24.48 | Haohmaru | kool, debian 10.. yey |
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| 10:25.12 | JyZyXEL | best one yet *fingers crossed* |
| 10:25.24 | Haohmaru | what to do if you got debian 9 right now? |
| 10:25.38 | Haohmaru | something apt-get something? |
| 10:26.02 | jelly | Haohmaru, you read buster release notes. |
| 10:26.10 | jelly | !buster release notes |
| 10:26.10 | dpkg | The current draft of the release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 10:26.36 | jelly | it's never just two somethings |
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| 10:27.19 | Haohmaru | i guess this: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 10:29.20 | jelly | that's the bare minimum to have to read |
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| 10:29.29 | jelly | it's better to read the whole thing. |
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| 10:40.23 | Haohmaru | i got a few programs from debian "backports" :/ |
| 10:45.06 | mureena | so, how many hours until release? |
| 10:45.15 | mureena | can't wait to break my mailservers |
| 10:45.31 | Haohmaru | pls, no breakage! |
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| 10:46.55 | Haohmaru | "File conflicts should not occur if you upgrade from a âpureâ stretch system, but can occur if you have unofficial backports installed." <- does this mean that i'll have issues with those programs? |
| 10:47.33 | Haohmaru | or what does "unofficial" mean? |
| 10:48.00 | mureena | backports from non debian provided repo probably |
| 10:48.22 | mureena | I think I'm just gonna take a snapshop of my vm and go with the upgrade |
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| 10:48.39 | mureena | I can always return to the snapshot if I want |
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| 10:49.43 | Haohmaru | i got deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main |
| 10:49.57 | Haohmaru | and i use synaptic mainly, sometimes apt-get |
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| 10:51.51 | Haohmaru | hm, i got a game that was installed in a slightly exotic way, quake3, i think i used gdebi |
| 10:55.59 | gour | blackflow: doesn't thunar also uses gvfs? |
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| 11:06.25 | mureena | Well, here I go with the upgrade, took a backup, wish me luck now |
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| 11:07.54 | n0a110w | no php in the arm6/7 repos? |
| 11:07.57 | n0a110w | ops |
| 11:08.03 | n0a110w | wrong channel please ignore |
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| 11:19.09 | jelly | ignored |
| 11:19.10 | mureena | only one thing broke but luckily I know how to fix it :p dovecot needs bigger dh parameters |
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| 11:19.47 | jelly | wait, did it stop working because of that? |
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| 11:22.51 | mureena | yeah |
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| 11:23.11 | mureena | https://wiki.dovecot.org/SSL/DovecotConfiguration "From version 2.3, you must specify path to DH parameters file using: " etc etc |
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| 11:24.16 | jelly | ,v dovecot-imaps |
| 11:24.18 | judd | No package named 'dovecot-imaps' was found in amd64. |
| 11:24.19 | jelly | ,v dovecot-imapd |
| 11:24.20 | judd | Package: dovecot-imapd on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u6; stretch: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:2.3.4.1-4~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.3.4.1-5; sid: 1:2.3.4.1-5 |
| 11:24.27 | jelly | ah |
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| 11:31.32 | jaggz | I'm trying to build krfb (vnc server) from source, but am getting a compile error: " undefined reference to `QAbstractItemView::eventFilter(QObject*, QEvent*)@Qt_5'" (actually a linker error I guess) |
| 11:31.51 | jaggz | I'm using the command dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc |
| 11:35.15 | magic_ninja_work | You might ask in the package channel |
| 11:35.37 | magic_ninja_work | so I just installed debian on this laptop. I'm not sure how to go about getting hybrid graphics working properly |
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| 11:36.17 | diogenes_ | magic_ninja_work, the default nouveau should be working just fine. |
| 11:36.29 | magic_ninja_work | the system won't even boot with that driver |
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| 11:37.24 | diogenes_ | magic_ninja_work, hybrid graphics implies intel gpu working full time and nvidia only occasionally so your system runs on intel gpu, it boots with i915 driver. |
| 11:37.34 | diogenes_ | unless you disabled the intel card in bios. |
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| 11:38.05 | magic_ninja_work | sure didn't |
| 11:38.35 | magic_ninja_work | I get a soft lock when I try to startx with that driver. I had to get into a terminal with nomodeset and install the nvidia driver |
| 11:40.14 | diogenes_ | magic_ninja_work, and that was the mistake, you are not supposed to install plain nvidia driver when you have hybrid graphics, it's either you work with the default nouveau or you go through a labyrinthine tweaking arounds to install and make it work with bumblebee. |
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| 11:41.46 | magic_ninja_work | Then I'm going through that Maze. |
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| 11:42.59 | diogenes_ | magic_ninja_work, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 11:45.23 | magic_ninja_work | cool, thanks. |
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| 11:45.33 | magic_ninja_work | I also hard something about vulcan instead of bumblebee |
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| 11:46.04 | diogenes_ | vulkan is just a compatibility layer for games. |
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| 11:52.13 | magic_ninja_work | okay |
| 11:54.03 | JyZyXEL | does vulkan have device selection like how opengl has dri prime? |
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| 12:07.40 | FellowTraveller | how can i enable xfs quota on software raid? im puting usrquota option to fdisk but aint working. I try to remount drive with a given options, aint working |
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| 12:08.30 | jelly | no idea, but quota is filesystem related, not raid / block device related |
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| 12:32.42 | Akuw | hi |
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| 12:33.19 | Akuw | i am doing an script to check some file in many servers, but that script use ssh, then login check file and go to next server |
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| 12:33.54 | Akuw | my question is, there is any problem running that in a loop? i mean, doing ssh in all servers again and again |
| 12:34.32 | jelly | only if your own policy says it's a problem |
| 12:34.56 | Akuw | ok |
| 12:35.23 | jelly | establishing ssh connections is somewhat expensive and slow. ansible keeps a multiplexed session for 60 seconds by default to avoid that |
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| 12:36.09 | jelly | if you're polling more often than every minutes or so you might want to do that |
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| 12:36.17 | jelly | every 5 minutes* |
| 12:36.17 | Akuw | i am doing this ssh x@192.168.122.1 'bash -s arg' < test1.sh |
| 12:36.37 | Akuw | each 2 minutes |
| 12:36.44 | jelly | Akuw, is it always the same test1.sh? |
| 12:36.59 | Akuw | test1.sh will do some patter check |
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| 12:37.33 | jelly | if it's always the same, consider copying it to remote and running a cron job there. |
| 12:37.36 | Akuw | find some pattern, using awk |
| 12:38.45 | Akuw | that is a better solutions, but i need to send alarm |
| 12:39.12 | Akuw | and i have to put that script in all servers i want to monitor |
| 12:39.21 | Akuw | aroung 12 |
| 12:39.26 | Akuw | around* |
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| 12:41.34 | Akuw | what way can i use to send a message from server to another linux computer? |
| 12:41.40 | Akuw | only mail? |
| 12:42.30 | mureena | yee checked every remarkable log file I could find and buster seems to be working really well |
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| 12:43.49 | mureena | Akuw: Why don't you try our savior Zabbix for monitoring, where you can also have file based triggers? |
| 12:43.53 | han-solo | Akuw: Do you have full access in the other server ? |
| 12:44.09 | Akuw | no |
| 12:44.30 | jelly | Akuw, snmp trap? A message queue protocol/system? |
| 12:45.08 | Akuw | there is a log, then when certain message is in that log, i have to alarm |
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| 12:45.21 | Akuw | but just get a message to tell admin |
| 12:45.31 | jelly | can you set up centralized logging instead? |
| 12:45.53 | mureena | Yeah, like Zabbix |
| 12:45.56 | mureena | https://www.zabbix.com/documentation/4.2/manual/config/items/itemtypes/log_items <3 |
| 12:46.06 | jelly | how often can the trigger happen? |
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| 12:46.19 | han-solo | jelly: rsyslogd ? |
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| 12:46.37 | Akuw | i have to install in all servers? |
| 12:46.39 | jelly | han-solo, remote syslog with rsyslog or syslog-ng is one of the options yes |
| 12:46.52 | han-solo | jelly: sorry, that was for Akuw |
| 12:46.52 | Akuw | is a custom log |
| 12:46.57 | han-solo | sorry |
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| 12:47.13 | jelly | or ELK or Splunk (commercial) |
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| 12:47.28 | Akuw | is a log generated by one application and log change log each hour, diferent one |
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| 12:47.38 | mureena | Akuw: Have a single Zabbix server and install Zabbix agents that deliver you the infomation on every host you wish to monitor |
| 12:47.41 | jelly | Akuw, how fast does the log fill? |
| 12:47.54 | Akuw | every second |
| 12:48.21 | jelly | Akuw, it might make sense to run ssh x@host tail -F /path/to/log and then run triggers locally |
| 12:48.43 | jelly | if there's not much traffic in the logs. |
| 12:49.01 | jelly | there are many ways to skin that cat |
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| 12:49.22 | Akuw | the point is, every hour there will be a new log name 01-logsomethins, 02-logsomething, etc |
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| 12:50.07 | jelly | Akuw, can you reconfigure the app to log via syslog? |
| 12:50.16 | jelly | or, even journald |
| 12:50.30 | Akuw | and i have to alarm when a number of error consecutive is there, suppose ERROR five times |
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| 12:55.39 | Akuw | Zabbix can use any log? |
| 12:56.08 | Akuw | for example suppouse i create a log with 2 fields Time and Type of Error (0, 1, 2) |
| 12:56.14 | jelly | zabbix is a framework to do monitoring and alerting, there are plugins for many things and you can always write your own |
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| 12:56.36 | Akuw | sample 02:02:00;1 |
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| 12:56.50 | Akuw | ok |
| 12:57.10 | jelly | are the remote systems debian? |
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| 12:58.20 | tardmonger | how do i keep drones from getting into my computer? |
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| 12:58.54 | han-solo | what ? |
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| 12:59.13 | OS-10000 | hi |
| 12:59.14 | trackanddirt | drone_catcher.sh |
| 12:59.24 | tardmonger | han-solo: i have little drones trying to fly into my USB ports and access my personal information |
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| 13:00.21 | laughingtiger | hi pls help me with system locale settings. I'm with debian stretch, everything is perfect except the locale settings, command "locale" shows all LANG* are different languages than english, but /etc/default/locale shows all language are set to english, I've tried dpkg reconfigure locales and set it to english only, but no luck. I'm really confused. |
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| 13:01.03 | tarzeau | laughingtiger: maybe some .profile or .bashrc setting in your user home? |
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| 13:01.13 | jelly | laughingtiger, your Desktop Environment (say, Gnome if you use that) might have different locale settings saved for you user |
| 13:01.52 | jelly | laughingtiger, create a fresh new user, log in as that, and see what they got |
| 13:01.57 | laughingtiger | tarzeau, jelly thank you both, let me check it. |
| 13:02.35 | jelly | laughingtiger, also: log in at the text console (Ctrl-Alt-F2) and look at the values there as well |
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| 13:05.37 | blairzqg8 | hi, we are a world wide pimp pista, we can manage you ladies, boys or lady boys within an hour to your door at any part of the world... with cheapest prices ... warranty no cat fish.... call us NOW on this number +66860962192 ! |
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| 13:06.09 | laughingtiger | jelly, you are right, the text console shows different than in desktop konsole. |
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| 13:06.59 | laughingtiger | differently I mean. I'm using kde, so it must be some kde settings. |
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| 13:07.45 | magic_ninja_work | laughingtiger, press meta (windows) key type in settings and launch system settings |
| 13:08.21 | laughingtiger | magic_ninja_work, system setting and? do you mean regional settings? |
| 13:08.30 | magic_ninja_work | If you use the search bar and type loca you will find regional settings, you can then add your preferred setting. |
| 13:08.41 | laughingtiger | I've changed that. |
| 13:09.32 | laughingtiger | jelly, thank you now I've got a target to aim at. |
| 13:09.37 | laughingtiger | magic_ninja_work, thank you too. |
| 13:10.00 | magic_ninja_work | You could have a config over-riding it. I'm also going to suggest an upgrade tomorrow. Buster will be released. |
| 13:10.40 | magic_ninja_work | I'm also confused. What is being displayed in a different language, and what language? |
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| 13:16.28 | mureena | I'm living on the edge and upgraded a mail server to buster already |
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| 13:18.53 | magic_ninja_work | Buster is great. I think I picked the right time to switch back. |
| 13:19.53 | magic_ninja_work | about 6 months on linux-mandrake. Then switched to ubuntu in 2004. Back to windows at windows 7. Skipped 8 and upgraded to 10 a few years ago. Now, I'm not a fan of the rolling-release type of system, so I'm back on linux. |
| 13:20.13 | magic_ninja_work | Of course, debian is slow-moving and I like that. |
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| 13:20.54 | magic_ninja_work | I'm perfectly fine with managing my own software installs for the few things I need it for. birdtray, newer libreoffice and probably a couple other things. |
| 13:21.15 | NetTerminalGene | guys, i had upgraded to buster from stretch when its first freeze stage. it installed plymouth after a couple of weeks later. my disc is fully encrypted. so, when boot it asks me password. the screen that requires password is supposed to be themed by plymouth. but instead, i don't see any theme, the screen is themeless. if i install plymouth theme, would it fix it? |
| 13:22.06 | NetTerminalGene | why didn't debian install theme package? |
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| 13:22.20 | NetTerminalGene | i don't want to brick my debian |
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| 13:23.39 | laughingtiger | magic_ninja, perfect, it is indeed the regional settings that takes effect. now everything is all right. |
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| 13:23.53 | magic_ninja_work | laughingtiger, good, glad you got it figured out. |
| 13:24.03 | laughingtiger | magic_ninja_work, thank you |
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| 13:27.26 | magic_ninja_work | so I'm getting some failures on startup. Errors and such that is really slowing it down. Where would that log be located so that I can start tracking them down. |
| 13:28.48 | mureena | Check the output of dmesg |
| 13:29.48 | magic_ninja_work | There is a TON of output from dmesg anything specific to grep? |
| 13:29.54 | nkuttler | magic_ninja_work: journalctl -b -perr |
| 13:30.09 | nkuttler | magic_ninja_work: well, which errors did you see? |
| 13:30.25 | magic_ninja_work | hold that thought. Rebooting right quick |
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| 13:33.58 | magic_ninja_work | https://paste.debian.net/1090408/ |
| 13:34.10 | magic_ninja_work | nkuttler, those are the errors I'm getting |
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| 14:11.18 | keltik | hi |
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| 14:20.07 | magic_ninja_work | keltik, hello |
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| 15:03.11 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:03.12 | dpkg | <HostilePenguin> your smarter |
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| 15:05.33 | rdz | mariadb-server crashes in Debian Buster when doing 'use information_schema' in mysql cli |
| 15:06.10 | rdz | is that something that needs to be reported to Buster maintainers ? |
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| 15:06.29 | dondelelcaro | rdz: please file a bg if there's not already one filed |
| 15:06.34 | dondelelcaro | err, a bug |
| 15:06.41 | rdz | https://paste.debian.net/1090400/ and https://paste.debian.net/1090401/ |
| 15:06.49 | rdz | dondelelcaro, i'll do so |
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| 15:07.31 | dondelelcaro | rdz: thanks! |
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| 15:13.40 | magic_ninja | what does a usb drive show up as in /dev/ |
| 15:13.52 | greycat | sd* |
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| 15:15.36 | trackanddirt | magic_ninja: use sudo fdisk -l |
| 15:15.51 | magic_ninja | it doesn't show up |
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| 15:16.14 | magic_ninja | I unmounted it from whatever handles the automount stuff. Now I need to remount it. I can still see it with lsusb |
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| 15:17.39 | dvs | lsblk? |
| 15:18.42 | magic_ninja | that doesn't show it either |
| 15:19.05 | magic_ninja | ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb* does, though |
| 15:19.34 | magic_ninja | now I need to see how many partitions are on it |
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| 15:20.48 | magic_ninja | So it only shows sdd and no partitions. |
| 15:21.19 | jmcnaught | magic_ninja: what if you unplug it and plug it back in? |
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| 15:21.56 | magic_ninja | still kind of defeats the point of unmounting and remounting a usb disk when I need to change something. |
| 15:22.21 | magic_ninja | Sure, it remounts it, but if something goes wrong with the automount stuff I'm in the same boat. |
| 15:23.35 | magic_ninja | So this is actually strange, and probably part of the problem. |
| 15:24.01 | magic_ninja | The debian installer I copied to a USB shows as unallocated space, however I can mount it and browse files. |
| 15:25.26 | magic_ninja | I just formated it, though as I already did the install on my laptop. |
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| 16:02.38 | jelly | welp |
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| 16:03.09 | jelly | upgraded a test system jessie->stretch, now it logs in everyone on console without asking for password |
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| 16:17.36 | Wulf | Hello! How can I upgrade all "experimental" packages that are currently installed? |
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| 16:18.54 | storrgie | wew that sounds like a tall order |
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| 16:19.18 | nkuttler | Wulf: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using experimental |
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| 16:20.28 | jelly | "something", probably my fat finger, disabled pam_auth during upgrade. A rerun of "pam-auth-update" and enabling fixed it. |
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| 16:21.03 | Wulf | nkuttler: well, I could think of some ways. But that would take some development work. |
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| 16:22.09 | jmcnaught | Wulf: packages from experimental seem like the kind of thing one should upgrade manually one by one⦠also if you're using sid you should be asking on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next |
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| 16:22.37 | Wulf | jmcnaught: right, I keep forgetting about that channel :-) |
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| 16:22.54 | coyote | DAE wine? #wine is invite only on here/join #crossover |
| 16:23.00 | coyote | woops haha |
| 16:23.15 | jelly | you probably wanted #winehq |
| 16:23.51 | coyotesays | thanks jelly |
| 16:24.22 | jelly | coyotesays, that "invite only" thing happens when you're already in the channel with new name, and you try to join the old name channel with has a redirection to the new name |
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| 16:25.14 | jelly | s/with has/which has/ |
| 16:26.46 | coyotesays | i had never joined before |
| 16:26.49 | coyotesays | iirc |
| 16:27.06 | coyotesays | any wine channels |
| 16:27.16 | coyotesays | and today i was only in here |
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| 16:30.20 | Wulf | nkuttler: Btw, please try to be less condescending. Perhaps you're correct and I shouldn't use sid or experimental. But it's my own choice if I break my system and my data and you should just accept it. |
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| 16:31.25 | jelly | Wulf, that's not intended to be condescending really, it's a warning |
| 16:33.10 | magic_ninja_work | Wulf, why run experimental, out of curiosity? Testing provides a pretty good balance there. |
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| 16:33.54 | jelly | they're not running experimental, as it's not a complete set of packages |
| 16:33.59 | Wulf | magic_ninja_work: to use and test python3.8 |
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| 16:36.19 | magic_ninja_work | Wulf, is there no other way to install *just* python 3.8? |
| 16:36.41 | nkuttler | magic_ninja_work: of course, you can e.g. build it |
| 16:36.44 | Wulf | magic_ninja_work: I could compile it myself, sure. |
| 16:36.48 | greycat | ,v python3 |
| 16:36.49 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; sid: 3.7.3-1 |
| 16:36.56 | greycat | Is judd out of date...? |
| 16:37.02 | jelly | Wulf, experimental repo's has "NotAutomatic: yes" header but unlike stretch-backports it does NOT have "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes" |
| 16:37.08 | nkuttler | magic_ninja_work: which also has the benefit of not messing up the package system |
| 16:37.16 | jelly | ,v python3.8 |
| 16:37.17 | judd | Package: python3.8 on amd64 -- experimental: 3.8.0~a4-3 |
| 16:37.34 | Wulf | jelly: judd is outdated. |
| 16:37.34 | jelly | greycat, no meat-a-package I guess |
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| 16:38.01 | greycat | ,v python3.8 |
| 16:38.02 | judd | Package: python3.8 on amd64 -- experimental: 3.8.0~a4-3 |
| 16:38.04 | greycat | ok |
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| 16:38.12 | magic_ninja_work | Wulf, well, compiling it yourself and manually maintaining it to use it is MUCH better than running on an experimental system. |
| 16:38.32 | Wulf | magic_ninja_work: I would only install a few packages from experimental, not all of them. |
| 16:38.51 | magic_ninja_work | what are you on right now? |
| 16:39.13 | Wulf | magic_ninja_work: sid. And have been for many years now. |
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| 16:39.45 | jelly | Wulf, I've added experimental repo from my mirror and don't see "python3" available either, but my mirror might be out of date as well |
| 16:40.00 | Wulf | jelly: package is "python3.8" |
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| 16:40.08 | nkuttler | Installed: 3.8.0~b2-1 |
| 16:40.09 | greycat | If judd is to be believed, you manually select "python3.8" instead of python3./ |
| 16:40.14 | jelly | Wulf, and judd shows that one as available. |
| 16:40.22 | magic_ninja_work | Your best bet is getting a 3.8 package and installing it with dpkg/apt or if you are wanting to test, just compile it yourself. It really isn't that bad. Those middle-of-the-road releases tend to leave your tested packages intact as well. |
| 16:40.40 | Wulf | jelly: in version ~a4 but there is ~b2 as of today |
| 16:40.49 | jelly | eh, it will get there |
| 16:40.50 | magic_ninja_work | For instance, with libreoffice I use 6.2. It leaves 6.1.5 intact and calls itself libreoffice 6.2 so as not to break anything. |
| 16:41.00 | jelly | right, there's a 3.8.0~b2-1 now |
| 16:41.10 | magic_ninja_work | then you can test 3.8 and keep the current libs intact. |
| 16:41.38 | jelly | Wulf, in any case, best ask questions about running sid in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, not here |
| 16:42.55 | magic_ninja_work | I thought stable was stretch not jessie like in the topics. |
| 16:43.33 | greycat | jessie is Oldstable, as it says |
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| 16:56.18 | Wulf | Solution was this, btw.: |
| 16:56.20 | Wulf | !not available |
| 16:56.20 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 17:00.12 | jelly | yeah, that's not often useful on stable, only with frankendebian situations and after release upgrades |
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| 17:00.40 | greycat | "after release upgrades" seems pretty reasonable for #debian |
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| 17:02.01 | jelly | takes a week off |
| 17:02.13 | jelly | *whistle* |
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| 17:02.36 | dvs | cuffs jelly to his desk |
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| 17:03.01 | moldovak | hello |
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| 17:13.34 | coyotesays | ugh i can't get help in #winehq. anyone here use wine? |
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| 17:13.44 | dvs | !anyone |
| 17:13.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:14.09 | coyotesays | i reject that rule |
| 17:14.19 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:14.21 | coyotesays | i am human and i want to know ppl who use what i use |
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| 17:15.06 | EdePopede | if you can wait, i plan to look at it again on buster |
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| 17:16.07 | Wulf | coyotesays: I used wine couple of years ago. Did that answer improve your life? |
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| 17:34.03 | delmarxhs5 | https://streamable.com/dfg7z |
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| 17:43.54 | magic_ninja_work | what was that crapping dmesg command |
| 17:44.03 | magic_ninja_work | dmesg -b -perror mabye |
| 17:45.24 | magic_ninja_work | journalctl -b -perror |
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| 17:46.30 | daemon | instead of all these stupid folders |
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| 18:36.27 | aeria | I'm trying to blacklist nouveau due 156341. I've added blacklist nouveau to /etc/modprobe.d/some.conf. When I reboot I still see nouveau in lsmod. Can someone please confirm (or refute) my suspicion that freedesktop added something that overrides my modprobe.d blacklisting? |
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| 18:37.39 | tachikomas | Hello. Is buster release still happening tomorrow ? |
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| 18:40.25 | LtL | tachikomas: affirmative |
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| 18:41.26 | LtL | aeria: i believe you need to update-initramfs read the man page. |
| 18:43.56 | diogenes_ | tomorrow all youtubers will rush to be the first to come up with a review :)) |
| 18:44.33 | greycat | and all Debian users will neither know nor care about any such "youtube reviews" |
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| 18:45.25 | LtL | aeria: i believe the filename should be /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 18:45.32 | annadane | do i or do i not wait for 10.1... |
| 18:45.37 | annadane | meh |
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| 18:48.41 | LtL | annadane: i dist-upgraded days ago, it went well, minus a bump or two and is running fine. |
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| 18:50.20 | aeria | LtL: I've an /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but I think according to man modprobe.d every *.conf should do in that dir. On the other hand /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist without the .conf as suggested, I think that does not work. Just tested echo do not do this >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ; modprobe -c | grep this and no error is shown. When I do this with anything.conf as filename, an error is shown. |
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| 18:51.07 | aeria | LtL: I think I've just updated my initramfs but let me reboot just in case |
| 18:51.19 | aeria | LtL: I forgot if I've already rebooted or not |
| 18:51.35 | aeria | I will be back |
| 18:51.36 | LtL | aeria: type 'last' |
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| 18:52.32 | aeria | LtL: good idea. I haven't rebooted yet. My stat of initrd is newer than my last login in last. thanks. I will be back. |
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| 19:14.05 | arita | LtL: it's me, I've lost my nickname. the reboot worked. woo-hoo! now nouveau is gone. thank you! |
| 19:14.39 | LtL | arita: cool, msg nickserv regain to get your nick back, or ghost possibly |
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| 19:15.05 | arita | LtL: ghost, it's not registered. |
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| 19:20.54 | arita | LtL: now `lspci` works again. 156341 has it hanging. It's quite nasty not to have lspci, especially when what you do have is a non-working Xorg that cannot be kill -SIGKILLed. |
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| 19:21.36 | arita | (I'm writing this from Xorg, after the blacklist it works.) |
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| 19:22.13 | LtL | great, what driver are you using arita ? |
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| 19:24.08 | arita | LtL: now it uses intel and asus_wmi |
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| 19:24.49 | arita | LtL: this is an optimus laptop with nvidia gp106n and intel "3e9b" |
| 19:25.06 | greycat | And you actually got it working? Congrats. |
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| 19:26.20 | arita | greycat: so far I've blacklisted nouveau and got graphics this way on 4.15 |
| 19:26.49 | greycat | fif...teen? is this a non-Debian system, possibly non-x86-family? |
| 19:27.11 | arita | greycat: yeah I've moved away from debian before I realized this was 156341 |
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| 19:27.47 | arita | greycat: this was today I need to set this up for CUDA work the day before yesterday |
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| 19:28.46 | arita | greycat: I come to debian because I think the questions I ask can be answered here, and because I like debian better than what I use now |
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| 19:31.23 | arita | greycat: I guess when I got it working on real debian I should get back to you. |
| 19:32.40 | arita | well I've gotta sell it to people whose question will be why don't I use centos so this is how it is... |
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| 19:32.54 | greycat | Not to me personally. I don't know anything about optimus stuff except that everyone else I've ever seen with an optimus issue in #debian has gone away unhappy. |
| 19:33.23 | arita | greycat: well you can tally one in the happy box then :) |
| 19:34.11 | greycat | If the solution involves using kernel/drivers/libs from outside Debian, that's not great news. |
| 19:34.14 | arita | or is it put a tally into |
| 19:35.06 | arita | greycat: yeah so not back personally to you then. |
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| 19:42.10 | arita | let me come back later |
| 19:42.15 | arita | thanks for all! |
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| 20:28.19 | magic_ninja_work | Failed to query NVIDIA devices. Please ensure that the NVIDIA device files (/dev/nvidia*) exist, and that user had read and write ... |
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| 20:29.33 | annadane | magic_ninja_work, what did you do to get that message, we need context |
| 20:29.38 | annadane | !asj |
| 20:29.38 | dpkg | asj is probably boren's alter ego |
| 20:29.40 | annadane | !ask |
| 20:29.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:29.50 | magic_ninja_work | it is on system startup |
| 20:30.08 | magic_ninja_work | I'm not sure when/how it started. Fresh install, but I've had issues with drivers since the new install. |
| 20:30.30 | greycat | I'm guessing "installed something proprietary with nvidia in the name". |
| 20:30.35 | magic_ninja_work | I did install bumblebee from the repos as directed in the debian wikki |
| 20:31.17 | magic_ninja_work | installed nvidia-driver |
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| 20:31.34 | magic_ninja_work | As directed in the wikki. |
| 20:32.18 | RandomGuyOnIrc | When I plug in my external usb drive into my debian server, type dmesg and lsusb I get: http://codepad.org/fGZ0YVmW |
| 20:32.56 | RandomGuyOnIrc | Is this telling me it is at /dev/usb4? |
| 20:33.06 | RandomGuyOnIrc | if so, how do I mount it? |
| 20:33.38 | magic_ninja_work | RandomGuyOnIrc, see if it is in /media first |
| 20:33.48 | magic_ninja_work | try using sudo fdisk -l |
| 20:33.58 | magic_ninja_work | see if you can find /dev/usb4 with a mount point |
| 20:34.23 | magic_ninja_work | nevermind. I'm wrong. That usb driver would show up as an sd* device |
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| 20:35.23 | Jerrynicki | hey everyone, i installed git-all and it removed network-manager and my desktop environment (kde) lmao |
| 20:35.32 | Jerrynicki | what are my options to get a working system again? |
| 20:36.39 | greycat | next time when apt* tells you that it wants to remove 17000 packages and the list of them fills your terminal buffer multiple times over, you say NO |
| 20:36.52 | Jerrynicki | yeah, that would've been a good idea |
| 20:36.59 | RandomGuyOnIrc | magic_ninja_work: well it looks like the OS isn't seeing it correctly: http://codepad.org/8XEBWpyr |
| 20:37.10 | RandomGuyOnIrc | fdisk -l shows nothing |
| 20:37.13 | greycat | that said, I can only guess that you pulled a frankendebian somehow |
| 20:37.25 | RandomGuyOnIrc | nothing for usb drives anyway |
| 20:37.29 | Jerrynicki | i'm thinking of downloading the network-manager .deb package and transferring it to my pc, then reinstalling the removed packages |
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| 20:38.25 | magic_ninja_work | its /dev/sde |
| 20:38.29 | kreyren | looking for xnb converter on debian |
| 20:38.33 | RandomGuyOnIrc | thanks |
| 20:39.00 | magic_ninja_work | try blkid |
| 20:39.09 | mureena | how about that you save whatever files you can and you reinstall debian |
| 20:39.11 | RandomGuyOnIrc | magic_ninja_work: how did you figure that out? |
| 20:39.58 | Jerrynicki | i thought ablut doing that, but i really don't want to reconfigure everything @mureena |
| 20:40.12 | magic_ninja_work | mount | grep sde |
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| 20:51.19 | jimster | when I turn enable suspend in the power save settings, the fps on my UI suffers when the machine wakes up. it get progressively worse each time it wakes up. I don't really know how to troubleshoot it. any tips? |
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| 21:06.34 | Battaglin | https://micronews.debian.org/2019/1562356769.html |
| 21:06.37 | Battaglin | :-)))) |
| 21:07.41 | RandomGuyOnIrc | I can't seem to mount my external drive now that I found it: http://codepad.org/OWPPXF9F |
| 21:09.39 | RandomGuyOnIrc | Perhaps this is the answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/727218/cannot-mount-usb-stick-errors-out-with-mftmirr-does-not-match-mft |
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| 21:14.59 | RandomGuyOnIrc | Well after I run this: ntfsfix /dev/sde1 |
| 21:15.19 | RandomGuyOnIrc | I can run this successfully: mount /dev/sde1 /media/usb6 |
| 21:15.31 | RandomGuyOnIrc | I have no idea what went wrong with the usb drive |
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| 21:16.06 | RandomGuyOnIrc | Does anyone know what would cause an external usb drive to just stop working, and need fixing with ntfsfix ? |
| 21:16.29 | mtn | RandomGuyOnIrc: windows had fast startup turned on |
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| 21:18.36 | jelly | RandomGuyOnIrc, not disconnecting it safely |
| 21:18.59 | RandomGuyOnIrc | thanks guys |
| 21:19.42 | RandomGuyOnIrc | jelly: to disconnect safely, do I just run sync, then unmount? |
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| 21:20.05 | RandomGuyOnIrc | mtn: hmmmm what is fast startup, and how do I turn it off? |
| 21:20.28 | mtn | RandomGuyOnIrc: http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-fast-startup-turn-off-windows-10-a.html |
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| 21:21.49 | RandomGuyOnIrc | mtn: thanks |
| 21:22.34 | RandomGuyOnIrc | brb |
| 21:23.26 | jhutchins | RandomGuyOnIrc: You can also eject /dev/sde1 |
| 21:23.45 | jhutchins | That will sync and umount. |
| 21:24.15 | jelly | eject is a literal command, there |
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| 21:24.29 | jhutchins | RandomGuyOnIrc: I would be careful to have copies of anything on that drive you care about. |
| 21:24.46 | RandomGuyOnIrc | jhutchins: thanks |
| 21:25.24 | RandomGuyOnIrc | jhutchins: I never knew this existed till now: /usr/bin/eject |
| 21:26.53 | jhutchins | Handy. I think it was probably originally for tapes, and when CDs became common it was used for them, and now usb devices. |
| 21:27.46 | jhutchins | Most GUI file managers will have automount (RO by default) and eject functions built in. |
| 21:29.58 | humpled | on old cd drives it can even uneject |
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| 21:31.37 | aljoni | I'm trying to watch Netflix using Chromium. I have the chromium-widevine package installed, but it is still complaining that I don't have the widevine component... |
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| 21:41.03 | terr_ | how so qw pull up rhw bootr log. I forget |
| 21:41.21 | terr_ | typos. How do we pull up the boot log |
| 21:41.41 | cybercrypto | terr_: you mean the dmesg info? |
| 21:42.06 | cybercrypto | terr_: maybe you can also check jounalctl for instance |
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| 21:43.42 | cybercrypto | terr_: start with journalctl -b (to present logs from current boot) and go from there. |
| 21:44.06 | cybercrypto | terr_: is that what you want? any specific requirements? |
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| 22:04.45 | hypn0 | it works on chrome aljoni |
| 22:06.43 | hypn0 | maybe your widevine version is too old |
| 22:07.06 | astronavt | has anyone considered adding an emoji font to the 'desktop' tasksel task? like fonts-noto-emoji-color (license permitting) |
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| 22:07.59 | humpled | i'm gonna pretend i didn't read that |
| 22:09.18 | astronavt | humpled, if theres a good argument against it im curious as to why |
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| 22:19.03 | BlueMatt | on testing/buster, nft-based iptables seems to get confused easily: ~# iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP gives iptables v1.8.2 (nf_tables): unknown option "--dport" |
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| 22:23.39 | jhutchins | astronavt: If there's a "good" argument FOR emoji I'ts yet to be made. |
| 22:24.37 | astronavt | jhutchins, i'd settle for a "howto" in the debian wiki |
| 22:24.52 | astronavt | i think emoji are definitely part of the expectation for a modern desktop user experience |
| 22:25.53 | terr_ | I forgot my password. Is there a way to get into single user mode during boot? |
| 22:26.04 | astronavt | jhutchins, the argument against would be to avoid bloat? |
| 22:26.27 | EdePopede | tbh i never really understood it. and it even predates emoji. glyphs look different depending on the font (they have to fit into the writing) but when the EU designed the ⬠they expected font designers not to modify it at all. |
| 22:26.36 | jhutchins | Hey serve no real purpose. |
| 22:26.52 | EdePopede | are emojis text characters or icons? |
| 22:27.26 | jmcnaught | !ifrp |
| 22:27.26 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 22:27.31 | jmcnaught | terr_: ^^ for you |
| 22:27.44 | LtL | BlueMatt: try -d or --dst |
| 22:27.48 | astronavt | jhutchins, i see a purpose for them, unicode saw fit to include them, and many other people use them. so i would say they serve a purpose, even if they dont serve any purpose for you |
| 22:27.57 | terr_ | I'm reading it. |
| 22:28.09 | astronavt | if only by virtue of the fact that they are in widespread use |
| 22:28.17 | BlueMatt | LtL: -d/--dst is destination ip, not destination port |
| 22:28.18 | EdePopede | unicode was once meant to collect all the writing systems available |
| 22:29.48 | terr_ | jmcnaught, I don't even know which boot loader this is. I just used windows to create a USB test boot. And I shoujld have written this down. Question is where? |
| 22:30.18 | jmcnaught | terr_: GRUB is the default so you probably have GRUB |
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| 22:31.42 | terr_ | I have used LILO. BUt ususally on a multi boot system. When do I see the GRUB command line. |
| 22:32.11 | jmcnaught | terr_: during boot, it's the menu that lets you select which kernel or OS to start |
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| 22:32.40 | terr_ | Yes. But I don't have that set up. |
| 22:33.08 | jhutchins | terr_: Which release did you install? |
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| 22:33.26 | terr_ | I don't even remember that. |
| 22:33.28 | LtL | BlueMatt: have you tried --destination-port |
| 22:33.40 | terr_ | Its in this machine. I will ahve to find it. |
| 22:34.05 | BlueMatt | LtL: unknown option "--destination-port" |
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| 22:34.21 | BlueMatt | LtL: the issue isnt the comand, it should clearly work, the issue is something in the nftables wrapper iptables thinggy |
| 22:34.27 | BlueMatt | LtL: given it works with iptables-legacy |
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| 22:36.45 | terr_ | I'll have dig through this. |
| 22:36.49 | hamzalatif7 | __jrjsmrtn__ |
| 22:37.00 | terr_ | ttyl |
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| 22:46.39 | hamzalatif7 | high I asked a question but i think that I may have missed the answer since the client that i was using which was keewee did not work well with my screen reader so I had to switch if i need to repeat my question again I can do so |
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| 22:48.02 | mutante | hamzalatif7: i think you should, i don't see a recent question from you |
| 22:50.01 | plt2 | !help |
| 22:50.10 | hamzalatif7 | >mutante: ok I am using speakup as my screen reader and it works fine however when i try to play a sound using the play command on sox i get this error |
| 22:50.15 | plt2 | !wtf |
| 22:50.16 | annadane | hi plt2, question? |
| 22:50.25 | annadane | if it's about debian just ask |
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| 22:50.40 | plt2 | I was just checking out the bot. |
| 22:51.08 | hamzalatif7 | I tried to do a bit of research but the solutions that i tried did not work hear is the solution that i tried its on the debian forum and the error that i get. |
| 22:52.20 | hamzalatif7 | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1108:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 22:52.21 | hamzalatif7 | play FAIL sox: Sorry, there is no default audio device c |
| 22:53.11 | plt2 | Ham how are you doing? |
| 22:53.33 | plt2 | hamzalatif7 How are doing? |
| 22:53.37 | hamzalatif7 | i tried to use this page to resolve it |
| 22:53.39 | hamzalatif7 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530447 |
| 22:53.40 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/530447 in libasound2 (closed): «ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-05-07; last modified: 2009-10-02. |
| 22:53.51 | annadane | if you want to check out the bot feel free to /msg dpkg |
| 22:54.01 | annadane | or /msg judd |
| 22:54.31 | hamzalatif7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.15 | hamzalatif7 | i apologise its the wrong web page this is one of them but i tried another one which was a forum |
| 22:55.41 | jmcnaught | hamzalatif7: what specifically did you try from that fairly long bug report? |
| 22:55.46 | hamzalatif7 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=123902 |
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| 22:56.51 | hamzalatif7 | I also tried to disable pulseaudio from the advice from https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility |
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| 22:57.19 | hamzalatif7 | but I think that was a bad idea since although espeak still works I think its breaking things so I am not sure if restoring pulse audio back to defaults will fix it |
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| 22:59.10 | hamzalatif7 | I did not use anything from that bug report. |
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| 23:02.09 | hamzalatif7 | If this is the wrong place to ask I apologise.but I think that was a bad idea since although espeak still works I think its breaking things so I am not sure if restoring pulse audio back to defaults will fix |
| 23:02.38 | hamzalatif7 | woops I just meant to say if this was the wrong place to ask i apologise and sorry for mixing old input messages with new messages |
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| 23:02.49 | jmcnaught | hamzalatif7: this is the right place to ask, but you might need to be patient waiting for help |
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| 23:03.23 | hamzalatif7 | not a problem i can wait i understand that this support comes from people that are willing to give some time in to help so its fine |
| 23:03.35 | mutante | hamzalatif7: maybe be a bit more specific about the "I think its breaking things" part.. like what makes you think that etc |
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| 23:04.25 | hamzalatif7 | help /stalk |
| 23:04.27 | hamzalatif7 | mc |
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| 23:07.28 | hamzalatif7 | I think i broke it by using the command dpkg-divert --add --rename /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf |
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| 23:08.20 | hamzalatif7 | this is the under the heading disable pulse audio I was trying to do that first to see if i could switch to alsa but I think that broke things so I am not sure on how to get pulseaudio back |
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| 23:13.37 | mutante | hamzalatif7: so let's see.. you added something with --add and you expect it broke stuff.. so if you want to remove that.. try the same command but with --remove . i see it has that in "man dpkg-divert" |
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| 23:14.57 | mutante | hamzalatif7: but what i really meant was "what makes you think it's broken" as in "there is no sound", "the sound sounds broken" or whatever actually happened after you tried |
| 23:15.25 | humpled | he posted a missing sink error in response to a sox command |
| 23:15.27 | tete_ | hi, i read in a mailing list that debian 10 should be released in the next couple of days. but when i check the rc bugs, thats still a lot of them. is it probably that debian 10 is released in the next, say, 2-5 days, or is this impossible because of the rc bugs? |
| 23:15.57 | hamzalatif7 | I can still hear the sound when i followed the instructions to switch however when i use speakertest or play somefile> I get the error listed abuv although speakup the screen reader works fine |
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| 23:18.10 | humpled | seems to me that recently it has got easier for apps which formally hogged alsa to share with pulse now |
| 23:19.35 | hamzalatif7 | cool so i guess that means that pulse audio has improved? |
| 23:20.04 | humpled | erm i don't know of speakup but for mpd it got easier |
| 23:20.56 | hamzalatif7 | pulse audio works with speakup fine last time i tried. |
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| 23:30.59 | hamzalatif7 | ok thanks for that command it worked going to try the command again now |
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| 23:56.31 | hamzalatif7 | ok guys got to go thanks so much for the help |
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| 23:59.40 | cybercrypto | Debian 10 tomorrow! :-))))) |