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| 00:02.59 | Lady_Aleena | LtL and humbot, the following lines from strace geany are the ones that may concern me regarding the theme: http://paste.debian.net/1091131/ |
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| 00:05.48 | dbear | */msg dpkg guidlines |
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| 00:09.26 | humbot | poor thing looks like it only needed one of those files but couldn't find any |
| 00:10.20 | humbot | Redmond seems to be called Xfce-redmondxp on stretch at least |
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| 00:10.49 | dbear | I have new install of Stretch, and Gnome shell seems to crash with segfaults. It's happened 2x. After googling, there is an issue going back to buster/sid time frame. Reports also on stretch. I'm not using nvidia drivers -- using nouveau. |
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| 00:12.45 | Lady_Aleena | Ah, SOB! Not all themes have a gtk-3 version. *head desks* |
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| 00:13.24 | Lady_Aleena | goes off to order dinner. |
| 00:14.55 | jmcnaught | dbear: what's in the logs when the crash happens? |
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| 00:16.20 | dbear | here's the paste https://pastebin.com/pD34TH1L |
| 00:16.55 | dbear | scanning the logs for anything else |
| 00:18.29 | dbear | also finding these https://pastebin.com/UUa4YCX5 |
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| 00:49.59 | Lady_Aleena | glowers at her monitor because she has only 7 gkt-3 themes. |
| 00:50.36 | somiaj | only 7? |
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| 00:51.23 | Lady_Aleena | Yes, only 7: Adwaita, Adwaita-dark, Breeze, Breeze-Dark, Clearlooks-Phenix, Emacs, and HighContrast; and I don't like any of them. |
| 00:51.49 | somiaj | Yea, I go with just defaults, I guess I'm not that exciting. |
| 00:52.00 | Lady_Aleena | All the other themes are gtk-2. |
| 00:52.01 | somiaj | Did you see if debian has any more? |
| 00:52.09 | Lady_Aleena | Yes. |
| 00:52.43 | somiaj | I think debian mainly provides the engines, and you can download the ones you like and put in $HOME from some place like gnomelook.org (forget actual domain) |
| 00:52.50 | Tom-_ | it used to be that you could get themes on random places on the internet |
| 00:52.50 | Lady_Aleena | But who knows, I may be putting the wrong search term into the Debian packages search box. |
| 00:52.57 | Tom-_ | themes.org used to be a place |
| 00:53.01 | Tom-_ | !themes |
| 00:53.48 | somiaj | Na, I don't think debian shipps that many themes (just to many out there), but most themes are just modifications of some engine, so if you have the right engine installed, you can just download/install the theme you want in $HOME somewhere |
| 00:54.09 | somiaj | https://fvwmforums.org/wiki/Config/Fonts/ |
| 00:54.26 | somiaj | https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/cat/135/ -- correct link |
| 00:54.28 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I can't find redmond in gtk-3 anywhere. |
| 00:55.24 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: isn't redmond a windows look a like? What one ware you looking for? |
| 00:56.04 | somiaj | https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1109994/ |
| 00:56.11 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, yes, redmond is a theme that makes my applications look a little like Windows. |
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| 00:57.59 | somiaj | https://github.com/B00merang-Project/Redmond-Themes -- seems there is a source. I don't know the details of actually using them, but you should be able to copy most stuff in $HOME and configure it, details again I do not know |
| 00:58.23 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, thank you for looking. I took a look at how those themes look, and none of them look like redmond. |
| 00:58.35 | Lady_Aleena | ^ first link |
| 00:59.33 | somiaj | yea, I just searched for readmond and found gtk3 themes, both on gnome-look and the original sources. |
| 01:00.09 | somiaj | seems you might be able to just put the themes in $HOME/.themes |
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| 01:04.09 | somiaj | looks like you can download the redmon themes to $HOME/.themes then see if you configuration tool sees it or use something like gnome-tweaks |
| 01:04.56 | Lady_Aleena | I don't know what I'm going to do yet. I was hoping that I would find a package with redmond gtk-3 in Debian packages for my birthday. |
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| 01:05.45 | Lady_Aleena | Installing from the package manager is so much easier. |
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| 01:06.53 | Lady_Aleena | So, now that i know WHY Geany isn't seeing my chosen theme, I guess I should shut up now. |
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| 01:09.25 | somiaj | Yea, I don't see as many themes beign packaged, I think it is due to man power and people can just download and install them locally. |
| 01:10.43 | stinerman | Hello everyone. Since upgrading to Buster my machine shuts down and reboots about 10-15 seconds after I wake it up from a suspend. I booted from the Buster Live CD (Gnome) and don't see the issue. I had a thought it was one of the watchdog timers going silly, but I removed the modules from the kernel and still had the problem. Does anyone have a |
| 01:10.44 | stinerman | ny advice regarding which logs to look through or perhaps what config files need to be replaced? |
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| 01:13.42 | somiaj | stinerman: do you have journald set up to be persistnat. I would create the directory /var/log/journal then after it does this, go back through the logs right before it shut down, maybe something will show. |
| 01:15.52 | stinerman | I do not believe so given the directory does not exist. I have looked through dmesg and such and didn't find much other than some modules that aren't being loaded correctly (watchdog stuff), but I don't think the logs are persistent. I will try that. |
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| 01:18.06 | karlpinc | stinerman: There's always going old-school. Set up the console on a serial port (or via usb, perhaps via usb->serial) and use a separate machine to watch what shows up on the console. Frankly, I don't know whether this would be at all useful. Could be... |
| 01:18.08 | somiaj | some logs are only stored in memeory via journald and will be lost after a reboot, creating that directory will save some of those logs. |
| 01:18.32 | somiaj | then you will have to use jounralctl to search through them |
| 01:19.17 | karlpinc | Go the console route after following somiaj's advice, if you have to. |
| 01:19.20 | stinerman | Yes, I haven't been reading through logs in some time so I never learned the new systemd way of doing things. I have a bit of reading to do for sure. |
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| 01:20.18 | stinerman | Thanks for the suggestions. At worst, if it's ok on the Live CD I have to think wiping it and starting over will fix it. And I'm pretty well setup to do that sometime this or next weekend. |
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| 02:26.51 | soda__hobart | hi everybody, I'm having a hard time setting my FQDN -- I keep getting "the specified hostname is invalid" when I use hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 02:27.22 | soda__hobart | I have DNS working |
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| 02:28.34 | jmcnaught | soda__hobart: /etc/hostname should just be the hostname, not the FQDN |
| 02:29.34 | soda__hobart | jmcnaught: oh, ok--so I just use hostnamectl to set the FQDN? |
| 02:30.56 | jmcnaught | soda__hobart: you put your FQDN in /etc/hosts |
| 02:31.25 | jmcnaught | soda__hobart: normally on Debian 127.0.1.1 is set to the FQDN and hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 02:32.34 | soda__hobart | jmcnaught: it all makes so much sense now |
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| 02:35.05 | soda__hobart | jmcnaught: is there a good way to see if it's set properly now? |
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| 02:36.11 | jmcnaught | soda__hobart: you can ping it |
| 02:36.25 | soda__hobart | jmcnaught: oh yeah, duh |
| 02:37.44 | soda__hobart | jmcnaught: does it make a difference if I have "somethingstupid.mysite.com" or just "mysite.com" ? |
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| 03:10.48 | awal1 | not sure how to make 'obsession-logout' display it's gtk dialog in my main laptop screen, not in my extra monitorxrandr |
| 03:11.00 | awal1 | oops |
| 03:11.02 | wr | was getting an error on a deb file install on dpkg https://paste.debian.net/1091199/, previously i changed my path and all was ok, but then variable got back same previous values, can't get why |
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| 03:11.50 | awal1 | not sure how to make 'obsession-logout' display it's gtk dialog in my main laptop screen, not in my extra monitor. it have an option "--display=DISPLAY" but not sure how I can call that |
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| 03:13.01 | awal1 | and not sure why by default it opens it's logout window dialog in my extra monitor instead of in the main laptop one |
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| 03:13.04 | awal1 | any clue? |
| 03:16.09 | awal1 | "echo $DISPLAY" ----> ":0" |
| 03:16.23 | jmcnaught | wr: try using 'su -l' (a login shell, sets the environment and $PATH you want) instead of just 'su' |
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| 03:17.41 | awal1 | i do "obsession-logout --display=:0" and obsession window logout dialog still displayed in the extra monitor screen |
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| 03:18.27 | awal1 | not sure if the problem here is environment related or (x)randr stuff |
| 03:19.56 | wr | jmcnaught, ah for sure that, would export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/games:/usr/games be ok? |
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| 03:20.39 | awal1 | xrandr says I have 'LVDS-1' (MY MAIN LAPTOP)and 'HDMI-1' (the extra tv monitor) |
| 03:21.16 | awal1 | I think I my report a bug (?) |
| 03:21.30 | awal1 | not sure if a wish one or what |
| 03:22.29 | jmcnaught | wr: why would you need to do that? Are you using 'su' to become root? |
| 03:23.20 | wr | jmcnaught, last time i did, but everything went ok, now tried su -l |
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| 03:33.45 | wr | jmcnaught, how can i reset the path variable and set it again to avoid that error on deb file install? |
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| 03:41.20 | jmcnaught | wr: stop using 'su' and use 'su -l' or 'su -' or 'sudo -i' and $PATH will be set correctly while you are root |
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| 03:43.52 | wr | jmcnaught, like said, not using su now, when used su -l failed, on su -, worked |
| 03:44.34 | sk1pfl1p | I am kind of excited about Debian. su is a fun time.. |
| 03:44.47 | jml2 | wr, su -l and su - should work the same, otherwise that's likely a bug |
| 03:45.33 | jml2 | manpage has "-, -l, --login" to do the same thing.. |
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| 03:48.26 | wr | jml2, you guys probably know more on this than me, i don't know exactly why but this was what happened, i did try to change the path variable couple times and it wasn't setting, now i got it, i used a export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/games:/usr/games, but don't know exactly what i should have there |
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| 03:54.32 | jml2 | wr, you don't need the bin things, unless you want to have "/home/user/bin --- the default PATH= is defined in /etc/[global bash settings] , when you use $PATH in PATH= in ~/.bashrc , you are just adding the default global things after your preferred things |
| 03:54.51 | jml2 | (eg, PATH=~/bin:$PATH goes in your bash startup file) |
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| 04:00.08 | sk1pfl1p | Hey, how are we? |
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| 04:48.36 | annadane | sleepy |
| 04:48.42 | annadane | oh. sent 48 minutes ago, sorry |
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| 05:52.01 | Ha0hmaru | ,v kdenlive |
| 05:52.02 | judd | Package: kdenlive on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.10-2; stretch: 16.12.2-1; bullseye: 18.12.3-1; buster: 18.12.3-1; sid: 19.04.2-2; stretch-multimedia: 1:17.04.2-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:19.04.2-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1:19.04.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:19.04.2-dmo1 |
| 05:52.28 | somiaj | !msg the bots |
| 05:52.28 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 05:52.44 | somiaj | or /msg judd v packagename |
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| 05:54.57 | Ha0hmaru | somiaj, you think i remember which bot does the ,v command? |
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| 05:55.16 | Ha0hmaru | but yes, i normally try to privmsg them |
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| 06:06.28 | somiaj | on a debian system just run 'apt policy kdenlive' to show what version is available in y our soruces. |
| 06:07.57 | Ha0hmaru | that only tells me about the package version available in my debian version |
| 06:08.08 | Ha0hmaru | okay, imma stop using ,v |
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| 06:14.47 | EdePopede | Ha0hmaru: i avoid this decision problem by opening queries to dpkg and judd as soon as i enter the channel after connect (which doesn't happen too often). really good idea with the scrollback on irc clients. |
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| 06:15.24 | sk1pfl1p | Hey guys.. |
| 06:15.41 | sk1pfl1p | Mumble VoIP to discuss Debian: 149.28.63.186 |
| 06:15.52 | Ha0hmaru | nah, imma use that page that could give you sorta the same info as ,v |
| 06:16.00 | Ha0hmaru | except i always forget w |
| 06:16.07 | Ha0hmaru | ..how to find it |
| 06:17.03 | Ha0hmaru | i use it at home since i have it left open in firefokz |
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| 06:35.57 | EdePopede | would be nice if the factoid db had an api to use it from the irc client /,v $factoid or something connected to a local script that filters the output and usually returns the factoid. or directly from the shell. a bit of a mix of the functionality of inxi and wttr.in |
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| 07:03.19 | scde | Hello, I was trying to install libxcb-errors ( https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libxcb-errors ) but can't find it in the debian repository. Does someone know if it is packaged at all and if yes which one it is? |
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| 07:11.50 | zamba | hoi |
| 07:12.01 | zamba | we just found an old debian squeeze installation sitting in the outskirts of our network |
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| 07:12.06 | zamba | what are our options to get this upgraded? |
| 07:12.22 | zamba | both squeeze and wheezy are EoL, right? |
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| 07:15.09 | badagent | Hi, I have a machine which didn't boot after an update (/boot was full and no initramfs could be written). Rollback didn't work because of XZ-Compression errors. When trying to chroot from a live Distribution, I noticed that at least bash, ld/libc gave me segfaults. After restoring initramfs there is still some applications not working (e.g. dhclient, which gives me "illegal instruction"). I will wipe and reinstall but I would like to |
| 07:15.10 | badagent | know what caused all this. IMHO someone must have powered off the machine during the update process...? Do you have any other ideas? |
| 07:15.18 | zamba | ah, archive.debian.org |
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| 07:19.49 | scde | badagent: I have no real experience with what you are talking about but have you checked the logs? Maybe there is something worthwhile? |
| 07:22.08 | badagent | scde: Yeah I did and I could see that the update was complaining about not having enough space on /boot and therefore not writing initramfs (which is what I expected and why I tried to repair). What I did not expect were all the segfaults and corrupted binaries and the corrupted older kernels. |
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| 07:24.44 | bendem | is there a simple toggle that enables/disables dynamic motd (using /etc/update-motd.d)? There is a lot of information, but it looks to me like it should be the default behavior. |
| 07:24.48 | scde | badagent: Ah ok. Well sorry then can't really help you there. But good luck cracking that problem |
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| 07:25.31 | bendem | basically, I have a newly provisionned server that doesn't show the dynamic motd, only the static part. I don't know what's up |
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| 07:26.19 | badagent | scde: thanks |
| 07:26.48 | blackflow | bendem: does debian even have that? I thought that was Ubuntu's addition. |
| 07:27.05 | bendem | blackflow, it does https://wiki.debian.org/motd |
| 07:27.16 | bendem | but I can't make it work |
| 07:27.57 | bendem | the /etc/update-motd.d directory exists on official images with 10-uname in it, so I guess it's supposed to work |
| 07:28.48 | humpled | is that new? |
| 07:28.59 | bendem | debian 8+ according to that page |
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| 07:29.11 | bendem | I've definitely made it work before |
| 07:29.44 | bendem | I setup the ansible playbook on stretch and it did the thing, I'm now running it on a new server (still stretch) and no luck |
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| 07:30.12 | bendem | all it does is install --owner root -g root -m 0755 file /etc/update-motd.d/file |
| 07:30.20 | blackflow | bendem: so you're expecting this over ssh? |
| 07:30.25 | bendem | yes |
| 07:30.38 | blackflow | does your sshd config have UsePAM? it's a pam module that triggers this |
| 07:30.53 | humpled | i never see the motd |
| 07:31.03 | bendem | blackflow, it does |
| 07:31.17 | blackflow | bendem: and PrintMotd? |
| 07:31.26 | bendem | I connect through ldap, let me test with an actual user |
| 07:31.34 | bendem | yup, same thing |
| 07:32.04 | bendem | blackflow, it's no, but that's documented on the page I linked |
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| 07:34.28 | humpled | so is hushlogin not relevant on ssh? |
| 07:34.52 | bendem | the /run/motd.dynamic file is correctly updated on login, it's not displayed though |
| 07:37.17 | blackflow | bendem: is the pam module enabled? in /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 07:37.37 | blackflow | session optional pam_motd.so motd=/run/motd.dynamic |
| 07:37.37 | blackflow | session optional pam_motd.so noupdate |
| 07:37.47 | bendem | yes, that's what I have |
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| 07:38.22 | bendem | https://paste.gg/p/bendem/1ff0472997414cc79880a494c57d893c |
| 07:38.24 | blackflow | bendem: well, it works for me, but there aren't any scripts in update-motd.d except the base 10-uname |
| 07:39.11 | blackflow | /run/motd.dynamic shows the uname (due to 10-uname) and there's static text in /etc/motd, both are shown on login, with "UsePAM yes" |
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| 07:58.51 | abeu | scientists have just announced today that dolphins are second to man in intelligence levels. so that pushes women down to third place |
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| 08:03.34 | cheston | screw you Sigyn |
| 08:04.39 | cheston | screw you Sigyn |
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| 08:05.30 | Ha0hmaru | imma get back to upgrading my debian |
| 08:05.36 | cheston | screw you Sigyn |
| 08:05.42 | cheston | screw you Sigyn |
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| 08:06.47 | Ha0hmaru | do i have to run the commands in text mode? |
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| 08:07.15 | Ha0hmaru | and do i have to do the "Don't forget to mount all needed partitions" step? |
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| 08:07.42 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: upgrade to buster? |
| 08:07.46 | linsmh8 | screw you Sigyn |
| 08:07.46 | Ha0hmaru | yes |
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| 08:07.50 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: I'd personally run the upgrade from the most minimal environment (in terms of active programs and services) possible |
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| 08:08.14 | Ha0hmaru | okay, so, log out of lxde then, and switch to terminal |
| 08:08.27 | Ha0hmaru | altho, the login manager will be running, plus who knows what else |
| 08:08.27 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: i'd reboot into systemd.unit=multi-user.taret |
| 08:08.31 | blackflow | *target |
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| 08:08.39 | linsmh8 | screw you Sigyn |
| 08:08.53 | Ha0hmaru | no idea how to do that |
| 08:08.53 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: that's the kernel command line option you can give through the grub menu |
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| 08:08.59 | Ha0hmaru | oh |
| 08:09.12 | blackflow | essentially the console-only boot, no xorg and its deps (DM, WM, ...) |
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| 08:10.16 | Ha0hmaru | i'm following this guide, and i'm down to that step now: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages |
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| 08:11.37 | erhard | Sigyn screw you |
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| 08:12.11 | blackflow | someone's testing Sigyn's tresholds.... |
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| 08:12.39 | Ha0hmaru | blackflow, so in grub i press 'c' for command line? |
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| 08:12.52 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: no, 'e' to edit the default menu entry |
| 08:13.12 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: then arrow down to the kernel line (vmlinuz) and add at the end systemd.unit=multi-user.target |
| 08:13.23 | blackflow | then hit F10 to continue booting that entry |
| 08:13.24 | husseinwry9 | Sigyn screw you |
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| 08:15.46 | Ha0hmaru | okay, i'm in ;P~ |
| 08:15.58 | Ha0hmaru | do i gotta mount stuff? |
| 08:16.13 | Ha0hmaru | i haven't done anything fancy in fstab |
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| 08:17.37 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: then no, that's just a reminder if you have some custom mounting configuration |
| 08:17.55 | blackflow | (eg. /boot unmounted except when you run updates) |
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| 08:20.04 | sunkan | I'm rebuilding a package (amanda) and the package version is 1:3.5.1-2+b2, but in the changelog it has 1:3.5.1-2 so my package was named 1:3.5.1-2+as1 when I rebuilt it. Where does the +b2 come from, and what is the recommended version for my rebuilt package. As I did it now it looks like a older package than the original +b2 package. |
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| 08:20.57 | sunkan | I mean that for example aptitude will want to "downgrade" to the original package instead of my rebuilt one. |
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| 08:22.57 | Ha0hmaru | "1422 packages can be upgraded." |
| 08:22.59 | donaltcei3 | Sigyn screw you |
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| 08:27.03 | smsimeon | so I wasn't the only one |
| 08:27.14 | smsimeon | Mine were 1613 |
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| 08:27.26 | smsimeon | I thought apt spazzed out |
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| 08:28.31 | Ha0hmaru | okay, now "apt upgrade" says "1185 upgraded, 349 newly installed, 0 to remove and 237 not upgraded. Do you want to continue?" |
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| 08:31.21 | maddy | screw you Sigyn |
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| 08:36.50 | Ha0hmaru | is that good? should i hit Yes? |
| 08:37.26 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: only you can answer that :) |
| 08:37.32 | Ha0hmaru | how?! |
| 08:37.33 | Ha0hmaru | :/ |
| 08:37.51 | blackflow | it's like getting into a car and asking whether you should turn it on and drive and how.... |
| 08:38.05 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: back up all your data and hit yes... :) |
| 08:38.24 | blackflow | (ie. turn on tesla autopilot and cross your fingers) |
| 08:38.36 | Ha0hmaru | 237 things won't be upgraded, is that because something's wrong, or because they are the same versions already? |
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| 08:39.26 | Ha0hmaru | okay, this is the most non-critical debian9 installation i got (that's why i'm doing the upgrade here first) |
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| 08:39.44 | Ha0hmaru | so imma hit Yes and think happy thoughts |
| 08:40.38 | sunkan | Ha0hmaru: Those packages are most likely old dependencies to previous package versions. They can be removed entirely at a later stage. |
| 08:40.48 | Ha0hmaru | k |
| 08:41.00 | Ha0hmaru | 5.650kB/sec, noice |
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| 08:42.39 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: old deps or maybe something you had from -backports? |
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| 08:43.31 | Ha0hmaru | nah, i don't have anything from backports on this debian9, i *do* have on the other installations which are more important, that's why i'm not upgrading them yet |
| 08:43.48 | Ha0hmaru | the guide says that i will have problems with those |
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| 08:43.52 | Ha0hmaru | :~( |
| 08:43.59 | SwK | held back that the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade will deal with later |
| 08:44.36 | SwK | thats lower in the page you are following Ha0hmaru |
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| 08:52.28 | emilsp | hrm, my /boot has no vmlinuz files, and grub shows no entries. What do I run from the rescue shell to fix this? |
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| 08:55.04 | klys | emilsp, you need an operating system to install linux. |
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| 08:55.23 | klys | try booting from a live iso |
| 08:55.31 | klys | or something like that. |
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| 08:56.52 | emilsp | klys: I've booted into the rescue mode from a debian install ISO. |
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| 08:57.36 | klys | emilsp, have you mounted your / partition? |
| 08:58.02 | emilsp | The rescue mode does that automatically, I've also mounted my efi partition |
| 08:58.16 | klys | emilsp, where is it mounted? |
| 08:58.26 | emilsp | it seems that running apt intsall --reinstall linux-image-amd64 does not in fact run mkinitramfs and update-initramfs and all the like |
| 08:58.32 | emilsp | I've already chrooted into my / |
| 08:58.38 | emilsp | because rescue mode does that for me :) |
| 08:58.53 | klys | does grub-install work or give you an error? |
| 08:59.38 | blackflow | emilsp: do you need to mount /boot too? |
| 09:00.41 | emilsp | blackflow: I did mount boot |
| 09:01.16 | emilsp | klys: grub-install did work just fine :) update-grub did too, except that it did not set up any entries for my kernels, so I can only _boot_ into system setup |
| 09:02.06 | klys | Im not sure how to add an entry, as I usually edit grub.cfg directly. |
| 09:02.47 | emilsp | well, I'm sure it'd be easier if I had any vmlinuz files in /boot, but there are none |
| 09:03.25 | emilsp | by the way, must I mount my EFI partition to /boot or /boot/efi ? |
| 09:03.38 | klys | and you did apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-amd64 ? try: dpkg -L linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:04.00 | emilsp | klys: I did run exactly that, yes. |
| 09:04.04 | blackflow | emilsp: you need to install the kernel _first_ so when you install or update or reconfigure grub, it can locate the kernel and initramfs and add them to the menu |
| 09:05.24 | emilsp | apt-get actually complains about not being able to initialize newt frontend when I do that, but by the runtime of it, it doesn't seem to regenrate initramfs |
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| 09:05.45 | emilsp | it does install it _successfully_ though. |
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| 09:07.25 | jelly | emilsp, if /boot was completely empty it's possible you have a separate /boot partition that merely is not mounted |
| 09:07.35 | klys | if you dont have anything in /boot, you must have missed that package. |
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| 09:08.20 | emilsp | jelly: this is a fairly botched attempt at moving a system over from a flash drive over to an hdd. In any case, should I be mounting /boot or /boot/efi for efi? |
| 09:08.36 | jelly | emilsp, /boot/efi |
| 09:08.49 | emilsp | yep, then it should all be good? |
| 09:09.34 | jelly | maybe, maybe not, I don't see the whole picture |
| 09:09.35 | emilsp | nah, after running update-initramfs -u and generating something for my currently installed kernel, update-grub still did not pick up on it :/ even though I have an initrd in /boot now |
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| 09:10.09 | jelly | emilsp, pastebin or screenshot the output of "lsblk" |
| 09:10.25 | jelly | and show the current contents of /boot/ as well |
| 09:10.43 | emilsp | sure, let me boot it up again |
| 09:11.03 | jelly | I meant in the current state |
| 09:11.24 | emilsp | I just rebooted to see if I fixed it, but I didn't. I'll get it back to the state it was when I was last fixing it. |
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| 09:11.54 | emilsp | erm, I've not done this in a while, is there a nice | curl $url thing I can use? |
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| 09:16.03 | jelly | !sprunge |
| 09:16.08 | emilsp | http://ix.io/1N9a |
| 09:16.17 | emilsp | I was under the impression that sprunge died. |
| 09:16.27 | emilsp | ah, it's still kicking :) |
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| 09:17.02 | jelly | it does not seem you have a separate /boot |
| 09:17.21 | jelly | so you're on the right track repopulating it |
| 09:18.13 | jelly | however. "linux-image-amd64" is just a metapackage that depends on the the actual package containing kernel stuff |
| 09:18.34 | emilsp | how do I repopulate it though? I was under the impression that dpkg -S /boot would solve all of my issues. Alas, that is not the case. Maybe I'm installing something wrong? |
| 09:18.35 | jelly | emilsp, you will want to reinstall linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 |
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| 09:18.52 | jelly | what did dpkg -S /boot say, I missed that? |
| 09:18.59 | emilsp | it did nothing |
| 09:19.11 | jelly | really? |
| 09:19.20 | jelly | which debian release is this supposed to be? |
| 09:19.25 | emilsp | nothing measurable. This is debian 10 |
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| 09:19.44 | jelly | did it show ANY package name? |
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| 09:20.02 | emilsp | it showed me my kernel package, yes |
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| 09:20.31 | jelly | and nothing else? |
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| 09:20.45 | emilsp | oh, I feel I'm close - installing the non-meta-pacakge kernel does actually run update-initramfs. |
| 09:20.54 | emilsp | I'll post the output of that after I'm done with the current command |
| 09:20.57 | crank | Bonjour |
| 09:21.20 | emilsp | But it seems it has fixed my issues though, since update-grup now did show ouptut about finding my kernel! |
| 09:21.22 | jelly | good day, crank |
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| 09:21.31 | BCMM | emilsp: i didn't see the start of this, but dpkg -S /boot won't show e.g. /boot/grub, which was installed by grub's scripts rather than by dpkg |
| 09:21.44 | crank | thanks you too jelly |
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| 09:22.34 | emilsp | jelly: this was the output of dpkg -S /boot http://ix.io/1N9e |
| 09:23.09 | jelly | ah, that makes more sense. |
| 09:23.40 | emilsp | but I think installing the non-meta package has fixed everything, now I'm actually booting!!! thank you very much guys. |
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| 09:32.59 | crank | Bonjour |
| 09:33.23 | Ha0hmaru | Jonbour |
| 09:34.23 | jelly | crank, are you a bot? |
| 09:34.29 | crank | no |
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| 09:34.49 | Habbie | that's what a bot would say |
| 09:35.03 | crank | bad tupping |
| 09:35.05 | crank | *sorry |
| 09:35.37 | jelly | okay. There's no need to say hi every 15 minutes in here, it's a support-focused channel |
| 09:36.22 | Ha0hmaru | but "thanks" is allowed, right? |
| 09:36.59 | ayekat | yes - even "hello" is allowed, but it's a bit pointless as a single message (see http://nohello.com) |
| 09:37.37 | Ha0hmaru | o_O |
| 09:37.54 | Ha0hmaru | did i just saw libboobs?! |
| 09:38.04 | Ha0hmaru | is upgrading to 10 |
| 09:38.06 | jelly | hellos do not scale up, we don't want everyone coming in to say hello |
| 09:38.20 | jelly | thanks are nice after getting help |
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| 09:53.20 | Ha0hmaru | nice, it saw that i've modified lightdm.conf and asked me wut i wanna do with it.. gud apt |
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| 09:54.57 | Ticho | I still prefer gentoo's etc-update, though, with its interactive editing/merging of config files :) |
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| 10:05.21 | Ha0hmaru | oh wow, it's "done" |
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| 10:17.24 | Tencryn | This might be an odd one. I usually get cron job emails to root@example.com but that domain has since expired so I've changed what I know of to root@new.com. Emails are still trying to be sent to example but I'm not sure where that is configured. I don't have MAILTO in my crontab that's for sure. Any ideas? |
| 10:18.21 | Ha0hmaru | crap, "The following unsupported devices are present in the machine: VGA blahblah NVIDIA GF108 (GeForce GT 630), aborting driver installation |
| 10:18.22 | Ha0hmaru | :/ |
| 10:19.23 | Ha0hmaru | it told me that the new driver doesn't include this card, and that i can install a different legacy driver, or nouv-whatever, so i told it to not install the new driver |
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| 10:19.41 | Ha0hmaru | but now the upgrade stopped |
| 10:20.28 | Ha0hmaru | that's the "apt full-upgrade" step |
| 10:20.34 | Ha0hmaru | do i just repeat it? |
| 10:22.18 | Ha0hmaru | maybe i should do this: "dpkg -r --force-depends package_name" ? |
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| 10:35.00 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, show as much of the output as you can. |
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| 10:52.10 | Ha0hmaru | that would be tricky, wouldn't it? |
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| 10:54.13 | Ha0hmaru | i've added "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" to grub, afaik i can't do much fancy things at the moment |
| 10:54.27 | Ha0hmaru | and i'm scared to reboot or do anything fancy |
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| 10:57.26 | Ha0hmaru | if there's a way to skip the nvidia driver situation (as long as it's not dangerous) and continue with the rest of "apt full-upgrade" - that would be awesome |
| 10:58.38 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, you could remove all the nvidia stuff. |
| 10:59.10 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, what does aptitude search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' say? |
| 10:59.12 | earend1 | full upgrade includes non-free packages? |
| 10:59.41 | jelly | earend1, it includes whatever repos are configured and enabled. |
| 11:00.41 | Ha0hmaru | after this TUI dialog went away, i got "Aborting nvidia driver installation." "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-legacy-check_418.74-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): new nvidia-legacy-check package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1" |
| 11:01.05 | earend1 | jelly: okay |
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| 11:01.32 | Ha0hmaru | jelly, i think i don't have this aptitude thing :/ |
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| 11:01.40 | jelly | sigh |
| 11:02.02 | earend1 | you could remove non-free packages from the sources list Ha0hmaru |
| 11:02.10 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, are you at least logging output of the release upgrade with script or screen or tmux? |
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| 11:02.11 | Ha0hmaru | what i know is, i had the nasty nvidia non-free driver installed on the debian9 |
| 11:02.15 | EdePopede | Ha0hmaru: oops. NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 630] here too. so... good luck :) |
| 11:02.19 | earend1 | then apt-update .. and then apt-upgrade |
| 11:02.26 | Ha0hmaru | jelly, i did the "script" thing as the guide told me to |
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| 11:02.40 | jelly | earend1, that will keep the already installed ones in place, and all their deps. |
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| 11:03.25 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, that's very good. Run "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" |
| 11:03.38 | Ha0hmaru | iirc with nouveau (however it's spelled) i had a quite low redraw speed when the display is rotated with xrandr |
| 11:03.41 | jelly | and then we'll see |
| 11:04.13 | jelly | if the tool told you which legacy drivers to install, then that's probably the least worst option |
| 11:05.08 | Ha0hmaru | jelly, the TUI dialog told me (if i understood correctly) that there is support for my card, but in a different package |
| 11:05.11 | Ha0hmaru | or something like that |
| 11:05.16 | Ha0hmaru | so i said "No" |
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| 11:05.18 | Ha0hmaru | :/ |
| 11:05.23 | jelly | yes. It also told you which package. |
| 11:05.33 | Ha0hmaru | yes |
| 11:05.49 | Ha0hmaru | something something nvidia something something legacy something some numbers something |
| 11:06.01 | jelly | those somethings are useful info. |
| 11:06.16 | Ha0hmaru | i know, but my photographic memory is lousy |
| 11:06.30 | jelly | before you get to that you want ot have dpkg and apt in a consistent state. |
| 11:07.31 | jelly | and those two commands above help with that. |
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| 11:07.48 | Ha0hmaru | okay, so, the two commands you told me to run: dpkg did some stuff, now apt-get says "0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove, 55 not upgraded." |
| 11:07.59 | jelly | 55 is not much at all. |
| 11:08.15 | Ha0hmaru | so i hit Yes then |
| 11:08.17 | jelly | go install aptitude. |
| 11:08.30 | jelly | Yes when? |
| 11:08.47 | jelly | Yes to what? |
| 11:08.50 | Ha0hmaru | to the "apt-get -f install" command |
| 11:09.06 | jelly | what does it want to do? |
| 11:09.20 | Ha0hmaru | it wants to install pythonz |
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| 11:09.31 | jelly | show the output. |
| 11:09.40 | Ha0hmaru | python3-distutils and some other crap |
| 11:09.56 | Ha0hmaru | i gotta type it :~( |
| 11:09.58 | Ha0hmaru | hold on |
| 11:10.19 | jelly | no camera phone to take a ssccreenshot? |
| 11:10.33 | Ha0hmaru | no |
| 11:10.41 | klys | apt-get -f install &> 0001.txt |
| 11:10.45 | jelly | no second terminal or console to paste to? |
| 11:10.54 | Ha0hmaru | mm, i don't know |
| 11:11.00 | jelly | klys, that's not complete and not a good idea to run apt blind like that |
| 11:11.35 | jelly | well perhaps it's complete, I don't know what &> does |
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| 11:11.51 | Ha0hmaru | as i mentioned, i'm running from grub with "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" added to the command thing |
| 11:12.07 | EdePopede | with tee maybe? though i'm not sure what ansi cursor repositioning does then |
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| 11:12.10 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, switch to Ctrl-Alt-F2, and log in again |
| 11:12.13 | Ha0hmaru | i don't know what i can do and not do |
| 11:12.19 | Ha0hmaru | k |
| 11:12.31 | jelly | then go back to Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 11:13.23 | Ha0hmaru | maybe i should say "No" to apt-get, coz it sits there waiting for my answer |
| 11:13.34 | Ha0hmaru | or does printscreen work in text mode? |
| 11:13.45 | jelly | you're still running inside script, right? |
| 11:13.55 | jelly | you did not reboot even once during this? |
| 11:13.58 | Ha0hmaru | i'm following the guide |
| 11:14.04 | Ha0hmaru | so far i haven't rebooted |
| 11:14.12 | jelly | then let apt do it thing. |
| 11:14.18 | Ha0hmaru | haven't rebooted since step4 |
| 11:14.18 | jelly | its* |
| 11:14.43 | jelly | if something weird happens you'll upload the script log someplace. |
| 11:14.46 | Ha0hmaru | where step4 everything after sources.list is "changed" to the new stuff |
| 11:15.31 | klys | the mouse cut+paste utility for text-mode is the gpm package. |
| 11:15.34 | Ha0hmaru | okay, it installed two kinds of python things |
| 11:15.52 | Ha0hmaru | now, what :/ |
| 11:16.00 | jelly | if it finished successfully, you now have a consistent apt state |
| 11:16.17 | Ha0hmaru | do i repeat the step that failed? (apt full-upgrade) |
| 11:16.47 | jelly | that means you can, say, install aptitude and pastebinit and gpm for good measure, and let us see what aptitude says. |
| 11:17.14 | Ha0hmaru | like, apt-get install aptitude gpm ? |
| 11:17.19 | jelly | right |
| 11:17.39 | jelly | and pastebinit maybe |
| 11:17.51 | Ha0hmaru | this aptitude thing, will it cause me trouble later, since i normally use synaptic? |
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| 11:19.42 | jelly | it will do as much trouble as using apt-get does |
| 11:20.51 | Ha0hmaru | hm, i've used apt-get with synaptic, i *think* i haven't had problems |
| 11:21.15 | Ha0hmaru | afaik synaptic just pulls the strings of apt-get under the hood |
| 11:21.20 | Ha0hmaru | or something like that |
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| 11:22.24 | Ha0hmaru | now what do i do to post some useful info about the situation? |
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| 11:22.58 | Ha0hmaru | this? aptitude search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
| 11:23.05 | klys | now that gpm is installed, does your mouse work? |
| 11:23.15 | Ha0hmaru | ooh, yes |
| 11:23.20 | klys | good stuff |
| 11:23.37 | klys | left-drag to copy text, middle-click to paste it. |
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| 11:24.11 | Ha0hmaru | right |
| 11:24.30 | Ha0hmaru | but the relevant text has gone away long time ago |
| 11:24.48 | klys | so anyways, that's fine. it seems to have worked out. |
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| 11:25.19 | klys | if you need reference to it, there's /var/log/apt/* |
| 11:25.37 | Ha0hmaru | what do i do now? |
| 11:25.40 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, that will tell you all the installed packages that come from non-free nvidia driver. |
| 11:26.35 | jelly | pastebin the output of that. |
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| 11:28.05 | jelly | or try the full-upgrade again, and tell us what it says |
| 11:28.26 | Ha0hmaru | it prints 9 things, there is a kernel module, an xserver-xorg thing, a driver support binary, and some libs |
| 11:28.49 | Ha0hmaru | in 8 of them it says legacy-304xx |
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| 11:29.12 | Ha0hmaru | i can't read what it says on the xorg thing because it's cut off |
| 11:29.24 | Ha0hmaru | okay |
| 11:29.36 | jelly | do you have nvidia-detect installed? |
| 11:29.54 | Ha0hmaru | no idea |
| 11:30.02 | jelly | install and run it. |
| 11:30.32 | jelly | it will tell you which non-free driver your card is supposed to be using. |
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| 11:30.56 | jelly | at that point you can choose whether to remove all the non-free stuff, or to install the recommended one |
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| 11:31.09 | Ha0hmaru | "it is recommended to install the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver" |
| 11:31.29 | Ha0hmaru | so i guess, i should apt-get install it |
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| 11:32.34 | Ha0hmaru | and uninstall the other ones which have 304xx in their names? |
| 11:33.19 | Ha0hmaru | apt-get remove *nvidia*304xx* ? ;P~ |
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| 11:33.52 | jelly | first install that and nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms, then we'll see about removing the old stuff |
| 11:34.33 | Ha0hmaru | i'm willing to try nouveau, because i don't want the closed source crap, hopefully rotated display is usable now |
| 11:35.25 | jelly | then ask aptitude to "purge" instead of "search" |
| 11:36.04 | jelly | (leaving the search condition exactly the same) |
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| 11:36.57 | Ha0hmaru | "Remove the following packages:" "1) nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx" |
| 11:37.01 | Ha0hmaru | that's all |
| 11:37.06 | Ha0hmaru | [Y]es? |
| 11:37.07 | jelly | weird |
| 11:37.10 | jelly | sure |
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| 11:38.05 | EmleyMoor | OK, situation with my laptop: gdm3 not starting, also console keyboard layout wrong, mixed language list of keyboards in "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and sshd not running. Any help with solving any one of these would be good. |
| 11:38.09 | EmleyMoor | Xorg/gdm related logs: |
| 11:38.10 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/1091213/ and 1091215 |
| 11:38.34 | jelly | Ha0hmaru, what about aptitude purge '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy*)' ? |
| 11:38.54 | Ha0hmaru | now a TUI dialog: "NVIDIA driver is still enabled in xorg.conf" |
| 11:39.16 | Ha0hmaru | it tells me about /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 11:39.25 | Ha0hmaru | there's only an Ok button |
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| 11:40.05 | Ha0hmaru | hm, this thing is still going, and removing lots of things |
| 11:40.45 | jelly | did you look at the set of packages it was going to remove before answering yes? |
| 11:40.46 | Ha0hmaru | like libreoffice, pythons, linux headers, nvidia (many things), blahblah |
| 11:41.00 | Ha0hmaru | i thought it was only 1 package |
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| 11:41.30 | Ha0hmaru | did i made a mess now? :/ |
| 11:41.34 | Ha0hmaru | okay it finished |
| 11:41.39 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 11:41.56 | Ha0hmaru | "Current status: 48 (-7) upgradable." |
| 11:42.10 | Ha0hmaru | i see a negative number |
| 11:42.12 | jelly | now go run full-upgrade again |
| 11:43.29 | jelly | that means something like 48 upgradable right now, seven less than before this command |
| 11:43.32 | Ha0hmaru | this was not gonna happen if i used nouveau |
| 11:43.55 | Ha0hmaru | dumb crapvidia corp |
| 11:45.35 | Ha0hmaru | ooh, i see it's installing nouveau |
| 11:45.45 | Ha0hmaru | or, unpacking it, at least |
| 11:46.02 | Ha0hmaru | clever apt |
| 11:47.00 | Ha0hmaru | okay, it finished |
| 11:47.18 | diogenes_ | Ha0hmaru, i dumped proprietary nvidia for quite some time now and i'm pretty happy with nouveau. |
| 11:47.42 | diogenes_ | with a little bit of tweakings you can get just about the same performance as with proprietaty blob. |
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| 11:48.01 | Ha0hmaru | diogenes_, but i'm using a rotated monitor (1080x1920) and i remember the redraw rate was very slow then |
| 11:48.35 | diogenes_ | Ha0hmaru, as i said above, we can apply a bit of reclocking and improve nouveau's performance. |
| 11:49.04 | Ha0hmaru | maybe, i just didn't know what to do and tried with the nasty crapvidia driver |
| 11:49.35 | Ha0hmaru | okay, so is "apt full-upgrade" the last step? |
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| 11:51.21 | JyZyXEL | aptitude is so weird, it still offers to install a bunch of packages after apt upgrade/dist-upgrade is all settled |
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| 11:53.28 | Ha0hmaru | lsb_release -a says debian 10 |
| 11:53.57 | Ha0hmaru | shall i pop up teh shampagne? |
| 11:54.12 | Ha0hmaru | ..and reboot? |
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| 11:55.44 | EdePopede | first reboot, then the champagne ;) |
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| 11:58.32 | Jck_true | Yeah I spent 4 hours getting my server to boot after something went wrong with GRUB in the update process... Issues didn't show up till my reboot... |
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| 12:01.02 | Ha0hmaru | rebooted |
| 12:01.12 | Ha0hmaru | fancy new grub colors |
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| 12:01.37 | Ha0hmaru | some errors |
| 12:01.53 | Ha0hmaru | "resuming from hybernation" o_O |
| 12:01.56 | EdePopede | i think it was on squeeze... grub was written to the wrong mbr, though i noted everything i did before and selected the disk i had partitioned. not really a problem ;) |
| 12:02.20 | Ha0hmaru | hm |
| 12:02.45 | diogenes_ | Ha0hmaru, you can remove resome thing from /etc/default/grub CMD_GRUB.... |
| 12:02.46 | Ha0hmaru | does the stuff i add to grub with "e" remain there after reboot? |
| 12:03.14 | Ha0hmaru | specifically that systemd....target thing i added earlier |
| 12:03.26 | Ha0hmaru | cuz i'm left in text mode |
| 12:04.08 | diogenes_ | that's why i always prefer fresh install, once a 2 years is not that big of a deal :) |
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| 12:06.13 | Ha0hmaru | okay, well, i don't get a login manager now |
| 12:06.24 | Ha0hmaru | at least i'm in text mode |
| 12:06.32 | Ha0hmaru | i wonder what happened |
| 12:07.19 | Ha0hmaru | maybe i should install lightdm (even tho it should be right there) |
| 12:07.30 | diogenes_ | Ha0hmaru, look for any remaining configs in /home something like .xinitrc also you can remove ,Xauthority and any othe suspicious file. |
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| 12:08.09 | Ha0hmaru | in my own user's /home or in root's home? |
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| 12:09.11 | diogenes_ | own use home. |
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| 12:09.16 | diogenes_ | user* |
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| 12:11.07 | Ha0hmaru | hah, i think the nvidia cooling fan is running non-stop now |
| 12:11.09 | NetTerminalGene | guys, there is still no new firefox update |
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| 12:12.30 | tkla | Hello guys |
| 12:13.38 | tkla | Why does my bash from Terminator won´t find any commands from /usr/sbin in Buster? |
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| 12:14.15 | tkla | Im using Terminator here and it´s using /bin/bash |
| 12:14.50 | avu | tkla: have a look at your PATH, maybe /usr/sbin is just not in there? |
| 12:14.58 | blackflow | it's not, by default |
| 12:14.58 | Ha0hmaru | hm, systemd is responsible for running my login manager, right? |
| 12:15.25 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: yes it's a systemd service |
| 12:15.35 | tkla | avu: At /etc/profile? |
| 12:15.46 | avu | tkla: first with `echo $PATH` |
| 12:16.17 | Ha0hmaru | ah |
| 12:16.32 | tkla | avu: There you go, eventhough im running it with "gksu terminator" it uses the PATH from non root user |
| 12:16.39 | Ha0hmaru | i'm using slim, and systemctl shows it failed (in red) |
| 12:16.41 | Ha0hmaru | okay |
| 12:16.53 | Ha0hmaru | i know how to fix this! (famous last words) |
| 12:16.57 | blackflow | Ha0hmaru: slim is abandonware, and has issues with logind |
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| 12:53.57 | tkla | But the problem with the PATHS is the same |
| 12:54.08 | tkla | still the wrong paths :-/ |
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| 13:00.26 | ayekat | tkla: what's the problem with PATH? |
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| 13:24.22 | tkla | ayekat: He´s using the wrong PATHs from /etc/profile i guess |
| 13:24.47 | tkla | ayekat: https://pastebin.com/zQTWh9K3 He is using the second PATH line |
| 13:25.19 | ayekat | "This page has been removed!" |
| 13:25.23 | tkla | Sorry |
| 13:25.42 | tkla | https://pastebin.com/zCbEW3j3 |
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| 13:26.30 | ayekat | argh, the sbin split - why is that still a thing |
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| 13:28.57 | Tenkawa | ayekat: because its still a standard |
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| 13:29.13 | lsjet | "standard" lol |
| 13:29.44 | Tenkawa | lsjet: sbin has been around since the dawn of unix |
| 13:29.45 | ayekat | yeah, but that "standard" causes more issues than it solves (does it solve any issues, actually?) |
| 13:30.01 | lsjet | "standard" = cause too many developers have hardcoded paths |
| 13:30.03 | Tenkawa | ayekat: it works perfectly fine here |
| 13:30.20 | Tenkawa | quit hardcoding |
| 13:30.51 | narutwaifu | sorry not a debian specific question but, I'd like to setup a linux server for letting people register, upload media files (images, video), and let anybody edit file tags (eg. author, place) while also keeping a public history of who changed what tags. What server software could I use to set up something like this? |
| 13:30.52 | lsjet | mv /sbin/* /bin; rmdir /sbin; ln -s bin /sbin |
| 13:30.53 | ayekat | Tenkawa: the issue is that regular users don't see some executables, because by default e.g. /usr/sbin is not in their PATH |
| 13:31.16 | karlpinc | ayekat: That is by design. Regular users should not need to see some executables. |
| 13:31.16 | Tenkawa | I was a system integrator for more years than I care to admit and its not that hard |
| 13:31.18 | tkla | ayekat: What do i do about it? |
| 13:31.36 | Tenkawa | karlpinc: exactly! |
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| 13:32.05 | ayekat | karlpinc: the distinction is totally arbitrary - what is the criteria for "the user is not supposed to run *this* executable"? |
| 13:32.08 | Tenkawa | if they need them they can always add the path |
| 13:32.31 | lsjet | ayekat, correct. It's entirely arbitrary like a lot of the FHS |
| 13:32.34 | ayekat | Tenkawa: yes, but that's a workaround to undo the split - at which point one wonders what the split is there for in the first place |
| 13:32.36 | karlpinc | ayekat: The distinction between sysadmin and not-sysadmin. |
| 13:32.53 | karlpinc | ayekat: That's a terrible work-around. |
| 13:32.55 | ayekat | karlpinc: what qualifies a "sys-admin"? |
| 13:33.27 | karlpinc | ayekat: Instead, change $PATH if desired. This can be done at the system-wide level, or per-user. |
| 13:33.32 | ayekat | lsjet: the FHS is pretty arbitrary, but stuff like the /usr merge are trying to improve this a bit |
| 13:34.12 | ayekat | karlpinc: yes, so in the end, one ends up putting a line in their user shell config that appends /usr/sbin and /sbin in order not to deal with that nonsense |
| 13:34.17 | lsjet | ayekat, some new development? |
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| 13:34.58 | karlpinc | ayekat: When is it a problem? Unless I'm root, I don't use commands in sbin. |
| 13:34.59 | Tenkawa | or you could just fix your code to not have so many dependencies *ducks and laughs as a former developer that received that speech * |
| 13:35.11 | ayekat | karlpinc: except when you do - what if you want to run a user instance of lighttpd? |
| 13:35.25 | ayekat | or just a simple `lighttpd -t -f somefile.conf`? |
| 13:35.48 | ayekat | same for ttylog for interacting with a serial console |
| 13:35.49 | lsjet | I deal with it on debian, but on most of my systems I just symlink /usr to / and sbin to bin |
| 13:36.14 | lsjet | Then I forget they exist. :) |
| 13:36.16 | ayekat | Tenkawa: nobody's talking about code |
| 13:36.26 | karlpinc | ayekat: That only works if you run lighthttpd on a port > 1000. And if you know enough to do that, you know enough to look in /sbin and make whatever adjustments are necessary. |
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| 13:36.53 | Tenkawa | ayekat: it was a joke.. i was trying to lighten to mood... its getting a bit tense |
| 13:37.07 | ayekat | Tenkawa: and ironically, the split *requires* you to hardcode paths, because the executable is not in PATH to begin with |
| 13:37.13 | tkla | ayekat: So how do i add PATHs safely then? |
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| 13:40.25 | ayekat | tkla: just export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH for instance |
| 13:40.37 | karlpinc | tkla: Usually ~/.bash_profile, but if you want changes system-wide, then /etc/profile. PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin or where ever you want the new paths in $PATH. |
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| 13:41.39 | narutwaifu | sorry not a debian specific question but, I'd like to setup a linux server for letting people register, upload media files (images, video), and let anybody edit file tags (eg. author, place) while also keeping a public history of who changed what tags. What server software could I use to set up something like this? |
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| 13:41.53 | karlpinc | ayekat: There is a valid argument for getting rid of /sbin, etc. But until consensus is reached "standard is better than better". At least everybody knows what's going on when standards are followed. |
| 13:42.46 | ayekat | karlpinc: things will continue working fine if the two are merged, though |
| 13:43.04 | karlpinc | narutwaifu: mediawiki, or moinmoin, depending on how much access control you need. |
| 13:43.21 | ayekat | like with the /usr merge, a symlink will deal with all the tools that hardcode paths to the executables |
| 13:43.37 | karlpinc | ayekat: _Mostly_ continue working fine. |
| 13:44.33 | Tenkawa | I'm doing an experiment |
| 13:44.58 | lsjet | The only issue I ever find using symlinks is when a package stupidly tries to do something like put a file in /bin and a symlink to that file in /usr/bin |
| 13:45.29 | Marbug | Hi, I installed firefox and thunderbird in the past and never had any issues, now I installed chromium, and suddenly all my urls in my mail are opening chrome browser instead of firefox. Is there a way to change this back to firefox? I have firefox-esr as default from diebian 10 installed |
| 13:45.31 | ayekat | well yeah, a lot of packages would need to be fixed, obviously ^^ |
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| 13:45.50 | ayekat | (so it would require a distro-wide policy fix) |
| 13:46.02 | Marbug | I also executed /usr/bin/update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and even with gnome-www-browser, but it didn't chnaged anything |
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| 13:46.42 | karlpinc | Marbug: Perhaps the "update-alternatives" command would be useful. Or maybe a "dpkg-reconfigure" of your mail client. |
| 13:46.59 | ayekat | karlpinc: just to clarify: I can accept "changes like this take a long time", but I'm puzzled by people arguing that the sbin split itself is a good idea |
| 13:47.24 | karlpinc | ayekat: It's a good idea for multi-user systems, of which there remain many. |
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| 13:48.32 | ayekat | ugh... - alright, this is actually off-topic, and I don't want to argue anymore |
| 13:48.34 | Marbug | karlpinc even dpkg-reconfigure thunderbird doesn't seem to be working 🤔 |
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| 13:49.14 | Tenkawa | Marbug: any output? |
| 13:49.21 | Marbug | I have read on the internet that after a version (I thought 17 of thunderbird) it needs to be configured in thunderbird, but I can't wem to find it even, and it's already at version 60 |
| 13:49.34 | Marbug | nope, well yes 1 complain about apparmor |
| 13:49.36 | Tenkawa | whats happening |
| 13:49.39 | Marbug | Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.thunderbird |
| 13:49.44 | Tenkawa | oh |
| 13:49.47 | Tenkawa | fun |
| 13:50.22 | Marbug | I could go for uninstalling chromium, but I will need it later on 😓 |
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| 13:51.19 | Tenkawa | did you try purge and install |
| 13:51.38 | karlpinc | Marbug: Seems like it could be a thunderbird question then. https://www.lifewire.com/change-the-default-browser-in-thunderbird-2532751 |
| 13:51.38 | Marbug | purge firefox? |
| 13:51.40 | Tenkawa | (back up spool of course) |
| 13:51.48 | Tenkawa | thunderbird |
| 13:52.01 | Marbug | Well I found that page too :) |
| 13:52.42 | Marbug | And the thing is that the incomming attachements are even empty (well the list) and there is no add button or anything, I can jsut change the location where to default download, and if it will need to ask it by default |
| 13:53.45 | Marbug | lets see there is apparently an update for thunderbird :) |
| 13:54.38 | Marbug | well, for now I'll just use chromium and login in all the thing I have again, I searched long enough for that :) |
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| 14:35.43 | Bounu1 | Testing |
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| 14:36.14 | Bounu1 | Is there a way to bypass the Facebook "Graph Search" update and be able to view all posts / photos someone has liked within the month? |
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| 14:37.26 | themill | Bounu1: wrong channel |
| 14:37.36 | Bounu1 | Where do I go for such? |
| 14:38.02 | cybercrypto | :-) |
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| 14:39.25 | Bounu1 | I apologize tho :) |
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| 14:51.53 | JyZyXEL | there is no torbrowser for buster yet? |
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| 14:52.45 | JyZyXEL | i noticed having stretches torbrowser makes apparmor service fail to start: apparmor.systemd[25189]: ERROR processing regexs for profile torbrowser_firefox, failed to load |
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| 14:54.31 | somiaj | ,v torbrowser |
| 14:54.32 | judd | No package named 'torbrowser' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:55.31 | jmcnaught | ,v torbrowser-launcher |
| 14:55.32 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 0.3.1-2 |
| 14:55.50 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: you could try to fix the apparmor profile, though I can't seem to know what you mean by stretch's torbrowser, since I'm not finding it in stretch either. |
| 14:56.48 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: i just mean the torbrowser-launcher that i had in stretch |
| 14:57.03 | somiaj | its not in stretch, so still dont' know what you are takling about. |
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| 14:57.39 | JyZyXEL | Package: torbrowser-launcher, Version: 0.3.1-2~bpo9+1 |
| 14:57.47 | somiaj | But either way, looks like tor will be thridparty for buster too, so you'll have to get the browser and maybe configure apprmor for it. |
| 14:57.47 | JyZyXEL | looks like it used to be in strech-backports |
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| 14:58.05 | somiaj | hmm, wonder why judd didn't list it was in stretch-backports. |
| 14:58.22 | JyZyXEL | maybe it was deleted o.O |
| 14:58.29 | Ha0hmaru | judd has dark secrets |
| 14:58.41 | judd | throws some shade |
| 14:58.43 | somiaj | I don't see it on my system, which is stretch with stretch-backports. |
| 14:59.11 | Ha0hmaru | <darkness_intensifies.gif> |
| 14:59.15 | pylsan | holy crap wayland works and zero video playback issues like i have on X O.o |
| 14:59.23 | somiaj | well if the matainer chooses to make it available in buster-backports you'll have to wait, otherwise install it third party and take over mangmenet of that software. |
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| 15:01.06 | jhutchins_wk | Possibly JyZyXEL upgraded from jessie to stretch. |
| 15:01.30 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Or /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:01.59 | jmcnaught | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926042 |
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| 15:02.55 | jmcnaught | JyZyXEL: ^^ the bug says the poor shape of the apparmor profiles is part of why it was removed from buster. Packages that are not in testing are not eligible to be in backports either. |
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| 15:03.39 | ewoud | I don't know who's responsible for https://app.vagrantup.com/debian/boxes/buster64 but I'd like it to be updated to the final buster version; is this being worked on? |
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| 15:05.21 | jmcnaught | ewoud: that looks like something you would need to contact vagrant/hashicorp about |
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| 15:06.11 | ewoud | jmcnaught: I know at least for CentOS that they're responsible for building the images there |
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| 15:06.25 | JyZyXEL | jmcnaught: hmm interesting. ill have to explore options |
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| 15:08.08 | ewoud | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931572 appears to be the relevant Debian bug so I guess I should subscribe to that |
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| 15:15.20 | john_rambo | Is my wireless usb supported by default ? Or will I have to install drivers using ethernet ? https://paste2.org/92nNJWvK |
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| 15:16.38 | cybercrypto | john_rambo: check if the kernel detect the wireless interface yet. |
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| 15:17.52 | john_rambo | cybercrypto, I am planning to download Debian 10 stable ... but before I do that I want to know if my wifi is supported |
| 15:18.09 | john_rambo | cybercrypto, Ubuntu supports it |
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| 15:19.18 | jmcnaught | john_rambo: if the device requires firmware then you will either need to install using the non-free firmware installer image, or install using ethernet and then install the required firmware package afterwards |
| 15:19.26 | cthonic | john_rambo, what wifi card do you use? |
| 15:19.36 | cybercrypto | john_rambo: In that case, I cannot help you. I dont know. |
| 15:19.56 | john_rambo | cthonic, https://paste2.org/92nNJWvK |
| 15:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | john_rambo: What are you running now? If linux, lspci -nn should give you the eight-character pciid which we can check against the database. |
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| 15:20.59 | somiaj | most wifi will require non-free firmware so just grab the firmware images to be safe |
| 15:21.03 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 15:21.03 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:21.10 | john_rambo | jhutchins_wk, I am running Ubuntu 18.04 atm ....Its usb not pci |
| 15:21.14 | greycat | *really* |
| 15:21.20 | greycat | :-( |
| 15:21.27 | greycat | I give up. |
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| 15:21.57 | greycat | Fine. EVERY SINGLE DEBIAN RELEASE'S FIRMWARE IMAGES ARE IN /current/ EVEN PAST AND EVEN TESTING. |
| 15:22.06 | greycat | You WIN. |
| 15:22.46 | john_rambo | I guess I will have to download the iso and test ... Thanks to all |
| 15:22.55 | kale | did i win? |
| 15:23.06 | greycat | Yes, everybody wins. |
| 15:23.17 | colo-work | modinfo mt7601u | grep -i "148f.*7601" |
| 15:23.17 | colo-work | alias: usb:v148Fp7601d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in* |
| 15:23.18 | kale | great :-) |
| 15:23.18 | greycat | We all get to use only the firmare images in /current/ even if we do not want them |
| 15:23.26 | cybercrypto | its a win/win business |
| 15:23.40 | colo-work | alas, John Rambo has already left the forest |
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| 15:24.59 | cthonic | Seems he'd just need firmware-ralink. Except he left already. |
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| 16:23.05 | transhumanist | hi is it possible with grub 2 to dual boot Windows 10 and Debian (latest) with UEFI/EFI mode only (no legacy grub partitions? |
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| 16:24.42 | greycat | There's no such thing as a "grub partition", legacy or otherwise. |
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| 16:25.38 | cthonic | transhumanist, I've not tried it directly but Buster now has Secure Boot support so it seems it should work well to dual boot. |
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| 16:26.00 | wr | transhumanist, just do it |
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| 16:26.09 | greycat | I don't have any Secure Boot systems myself, but I haven't heard anyone saying it *doesn't* work lately. |
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| 16:26.36 | transhumanist | ok thanks, back to debian from Ubuntu I go... thanks |
| 16:26.53 | pylsan | Buster wasnt int the security boot database provided buy my bios |
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| 16:27.35 | transhumanist | reason I ask is ubuntu wont seem to dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 without using the F12 menu. Seems to be broken |
| 16:30.03 | cthonic | transhumanist, it was things like this that made me give up on Windows 98 SE. On install with Debian I do see a optional tweak possible for "buggy UEFI" cases. I didn't need it myself but possibly you do? |
| 16:30.03 | ayekat | or misconfigured - is windows listed in the grub menu in grub.cfg? |
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| 16:32.50 | wr | transhumanist, ubuntu in my view is each more full of ads and commercial |
| 16:32.51 | Muyfret | strange i cannot access some websites |
| 16:33.06 | transhumanist | cthonic: yes unfortnately |
| 16:34.18 | transhumanist | thanks guys |
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| 16:41.37 | Tom-_ | my initrd is only 6.3 MB, meanwhile on another systemd (LMDE 3) it's 36 MB... and cpio -idv fails to unpack it except for one GenuineIntel file |
| 16:42.00 | Tom-_ | oh and the system fails to boot saying libext[3-4].so.[1-2] is missing |
| 16:42.15 | greycat | Mine are 20 MB (stretch kernel) and 29 MB (buster kernel). For whatever that's worth. |
| 16:42.17 | Tom-_ | this happened during a downgrade from buster to stretch |
| 16:42.44 | Tom-_ | okay, i'm running update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -c -v and it's creating an initrd, but it's small and it looks like it's missing libext3.so.1 or whatever it is |
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| 16:43.19 | Tom-_ | initrds have always confused me a little too be honest, i guess now's the time to learn them |
| 16:43.26 | somiaj | Tom-_: downgrades are really not supported and can leave strante artifiacts. You may want to do a reinstall. |
| 16:43.28 | Tom-_ | the auto setup of the initrd anyway |
| 16:43.32 | greycat | Also worth pointing out, an initrd is *multiple* cpio archives stuffed into one file, so a single cpio command won't handle it. There's a separate lsinitramfs(8) command if you don't want to write your own. |
| 16:44.04 | Tom-_ | somiaj, ehh... i'm stubborn and i live Debian so I think i can manage it |
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| 16:44.17 | Tom-_ | greycat, ah, thanks very much, i'll try that |
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| 16:45.17 | somiaj | Tom-_: as long as you are willing to look for the artifacts left by the upgrade scripts. (: |
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| 16:46.56 | mason | greycat: https://askubuntu.com/questions/500359/efi-boot-partition-and-biosgrub-partition#501360 FWIW |
| 16:47.25 | mason | greycat: Not that it's relevant to a pure-UEFI system. |
| 16:47.46 | Tom-_ | not sure what you mean by artifacts, but i probably am willing |
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| 16:48.54 | L3sh44f | jao! |
| 16:48.55 | jhutchins_wk | I didn't think Secure Boot was required for EFI. |
| 16:49.12 | greycat | mason: interesting. |
| 16:49.13 | somiaj | Tom-_: upgrade scripts change things and are designed to go from stretch -> buster. This can often move config files, change settings, needed for newer versions. These will not get reversed on the downgrade (hence leaving things behind that could cause issues in the future) |
| 16:49.41 | Tom-_ | yeah, i got a few messages about changed config files, but no big deal, i handled them |
| 16:49.49 | Tom-_ | the system isn't mission critical, it's for me learning |
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| 16:51.46 | Tom-_ | i am running in rescue mode, is it possible that update-initramfs is putting the wrong things in the initramfs because I'm running from a ramdisk already? |
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| 16:53.07 | kale | Tom-_: check if you are out of space on your /boot partition |
| 16:56.42 | somiaj | Tom-_: does the chroot you are running in have all the additional partitions mounted too? |
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| 16:57.30 | Tom-_ | no separate /boot partition, 116 GB of free space |
| 16:58.38 | Tom-_ | i think i only use /dev/sda2 for files, no EFI partition either. file /dev/sda1 reports "data" |
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| 17:02.45 | Tom-_ | dracut is building a much larger initrd :) |
| 17:03.25 | kale | Tom-_: i heard of people having an initrd of several hundred MB. Just to have som basic tools in the initrd :-) |
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| 17:04.50 | tarzeau | i really like: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress with COMPRESS=xz |
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| 17:05.39 | kale | Tom-_: do you have an exact error message? |
| 17:05.46 | Tom-_ | an aside, getting a DVD out of an Imac is like gettin something out of a dog's mouth that he doesn't want to give up |
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| 17:06.11 | Tom-_ | kale, no, and i've made a new initrd so the error message will probably be different this time if i get one |
| 17:06.26 | kale | Tom-_: lets see what you get |
| 17:07.10 | somiaj | !confmiss |
| 17:07.10 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 17:43.48 | *** topic/#debian is Debian 10 Buster released! /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Oldstable Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.9 ; 9.9 needs dist-upgrade | Jessie: jessie-{updates,backports} removed, /msg dpkg jessie-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net| chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 17:44.26 | dbear | ayekat -- didn't I read that x.org is not the default graphics system? |
| 17:44.48 | dbear | karipinc: I don't know anything about LUKS so wanted to avoid it -- |
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| 17:44.57 | greycat | You only get Wayland if you install and use GNOME under GNOME's default session type, or if you go out of your way to run Wayland. Otherwise, you get X. |
| 17:45.07 | ayekat | dbear: again, GNOME is a desktop environment that defaults to wayland - there is no "default" for debian itself |
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| 17:45.40 | ayekat | if you tell GNOME to use X, or you use another desktop environment that only supports (or defaults to X), you get X |
| 17:45.59 | jmcnaught | Also Wayland is great, been working fine for me since stretch. |
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| 17:47.19 | Tom-_ | i have unsorted feelings on Waland |
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| 17:47.40 | coyotor | hey, i have a question about the open with "use custom command" |
| 17:47.44 | Tom-_ | Wayland. i have never really liked X, but i'm still uncertain about wayland too |
| 17:47.48 | greycat | I've never tried it, and there's nothing currently that would compel me to try it. That may change in the future. |
| 17:47.52 | dbear | I've notice some things about gnome on this debian as well -- its has just died with segfault and force a restart twice on me in 2 days |
| 17:48.06 | dbear | stretch seems less stable then ubuntu 16.. |
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| 17:48.11 | Tom-_ | Wayland in GNOME in Buster works very poorly in fullscreen in Qemu by the way :) |
| 17:48.13 | karlpinc | dbear: I don't know the point of cryptfs (eCryptfs) but I can tell you ablut LUKS. |
| 17:48.29 | coyotor | if i use a custom command to open with, how do i make it refer to whatever file i just clicked on? |
| 17:48.31 | dbear | I had data in an ecryptfs volume already that I wanted to read.. |
| 17:48.55 | dbear | Will LUKS want to crypt the whole dist or just a folder? |
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| 17:49.50 | ayekat | you'll probably need to copy things out and then reencrypt the partition with LUKS if you want to switch |
| 17:49.52 | greycat | buster does not have ecryptfs, so that's a thing to be concerned about |
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| 17:50.19 | coyotor | sorry i'm back |
| 17:50.25 | karlpinc | dbear: LUKS uses dm-crypt to encrypt the entire block level device. It stores the actual encryption key in a "header". The encryption key is encrypted. There can be up to 8 different encryptions of the key, so you can set up to 8 different passwords to unlock your disk -- in "slots". The system prompts for a password on boot-up. (This can be done via network if you desire.) |
| 17:51.54 | karlpinc | dbear: You can backup the "header", or not even store it on the device being encrypted. That way if the header is corrupted (say due to disk failure) you can still decrypt. Or be extra secure and keep the header on off-line storage. |
| 17:52.20 | karlpinc | dbear: LUKS encrypts devices, so you need a partition. |
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| 17:53.37 | karlpinc | dbear: Often LVM is used in conjuction with dm-crypt. The entire physical volume is encrypted, then multiple logical volumes use the physical volume. That way there's only one password to unlock multiple "partitions". |
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| 17:54.46 | jmcnaught | coyotor: where do you see this "open with custom command"? Is it a context menu for a file in a file manager? You might refer to the file with $1 |
| 17:55.14 | znull | hey, i just upgraded to debian 10, and now i'm getting when I do ALT+TAB The Window Switcher installation is broken, resources are missing |
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| 17:55.54 | karlpinc | dbear: If you only want to encrypt /home with dm-crypt/LUKS, then you must put /home on it's own partition. (If you have a single / partition then you can just encrypt the whole thing and be done with it. :) |
| 17:56.37 | karlpinc | dbear: One reason LVM + LUKS is attractive is to encrypt both / and swap partitions. |
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| 17:58.02 | jmcnaught | znull: is it possible you only did a partial upgrade? Were you following the instructions in the release notes? |
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| 17:59.06 | znull | jmcnaught, well i'm not sure, i was on 'testing' channel and i hit few days apt-get dist-upgrade and a lot of packages were upgraded |
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| 17:59.19 | znull | 10.0 |
| 17:59.23 | znull | debian version. |
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| 18:01.42 | jmcnaught | znull: which desktop environment are you using? Can you get a screenshot of the error or what happens when you alt-tab? |
| 18:02.19 | znull | jmcnaught, kde |
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| 18:03.21 | znull | jmcnaught, https://ibb.co/RT68yQN |
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| 18:04.06 | karlpinc | znull: It is not usually a good idea to have "testing" in your sources.list. Better to have a release name. If you still have "testing" then you may now be running the new testing, and not buster. |
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| 18:04.33 | greycat | One uses "testing" in their sources.list if they want to be ETERNALLY on testing, never settling down on a release. |
| 18:04.56 | znull | karlpinc, im on buster now |
| 18:05.27 | znull | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ptjk557KJq/ |
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| 18:05.59 | znull | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZwXXt4kF26/ |
| 18:07.14 | jmcnaught | znull: it's probably because you have disabled recommends. Why wouldn't you want *recommended* packages? I would turn recommends back on and reinstall your KDE meta-package (probably task-kde-desktop) |
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| 18:08.05 | Tom-_ | I was missing libext2fs.so.2 and e2fslibs, so that's probably why they weren't included in my initrd. an error from me downgrading without double-checking everything i know :) |
| 18:08.05 | znull | jmcnaught, ok let me try |
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| 18:09.09 | dob1 | hi, widh dnsmasql I would like to resolve a local hostname to a different address depends on the interface where the dns query is executed |
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| 18:09.40 | dob1 | for example let's say I have home.lan If the query is executed on the network 192.168.1.x then home.lan will be 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:09.57 | dob1 | if the query is executed on network 10.5.5.x then ome.lan is 10.5.5.1 |
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| 18:10.08 | dob1 | it's something possibile ? sorry for multiline |
| 18:12.01 | znull | jmcnaught, it works |
| 18:13.07 | dob1 | or maybe I can try to execute 2 instances of dnsmasq |
| 18:13.08 | jmcnaught | znull: my advice is to have install recommends at the default (true) and only use the flag --no-install-recommends on a per-case basis |
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| 18:13.33 | znull | jmcnaught, ok great |
| 18:13.45 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: The only thing that bugs me about "Recommends" is that they don't get un-installed when you remove the package that recommended them (and there's no other dependencies). |
| 18:14.03 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Yes, good advice. |
| 18:14.39 | znull | jmcnaught, but now my sound stopped working lol playbak devices is Dummy output |
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| 18:15.17 | karlpinc | dob1: I don't believe dnsmasq has that feature. (Neither does nsd.) If you want "split domain" you need to use ISC's bind. |
| 18:15.18 | jmcnaught | znull: check to see if timidity is running (systemctl status timidity) and stop it if it is (systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity) |
| 18:15.38 | karlpinc | dob1: Of course you can run 2 dnsmasq processes. |
| 18:15.56 | znull | Unit timidity.service could not be found. |
| 18:15.59 | dob1 | karlpinc, unfortunately I need dnsmasq. I am looking to how to run 2 instances of it |
| 18:16.20 | jmcnaught | znull: check if your sound card is listed by 'aplay -l' |
| 18:16.41 | karlpinc | dob1: Er, the feature is called "split horizon", I think. |
| 18:17.13 | znull | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MTKvTsZ6zY/ |
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| 18:18.19 | karlpinc | dob1: Out of curiousity, why do you "need" dnsmasq? I'd think you'd need functionality, not implementation. (Of course that's only at the technical level, but...) |
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| 18:19.51 | jmcnaught | znull: that looks fine. Next I would check to see what might be using your soundcard with "lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcm" |
| 18:20.02 | dob1 | karlpinc, https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists this, but I am pointing the banned hosts to my local http server where a 1x1 png is servered |
| 18:20.16 | dob1 | but I need it for 2 networks |
| 18:20.54 | znull | jmcnaught, endor:~# lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcm |
| 18:20.54 | znull | endor:~# |
| 18:21.33 | dob1 | karlpinc, you got my strange idea ? :) |
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| 18:22.57 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.26 | karlpinc | dob1: Looks like you need -z |
| 18:24.03 | Tom-_ | I got my DVD to eject! |
| 18:24.05 | karlpinc | dob1: Along with -i |
| 18:24.18 | Tom-_ | i have to hold the mouse button after the computer reboots and turns on, not before |
| 18:24.25 | Tom-_ | i have to start pressing on it then |
| 18:24.30 | Tom-_ | and hold it for a fairly long timei apparently |
| 18:24.54 | znull | jmcnaught, i managed to fix it |
| 18:24.55 | karlpinc | ws2k3: What are you doing to _get_ that error? |
| 18:25.02 | jmcnaught | znull: what was it? |
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| 18:25.07 | znull | jmcnaught, pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio --start |
| 18:25.39 | jmcnaught | znull: ahh… glad it's working now :) |
| 18:25.53 | dob1 | karlpinc, when I am downloadin the 2 files from the github repository I change them and duplicate them, creating 2 domains files with, for example, address=/badsite/192.168.1.1 address=/badsite/10.5.5.1 then I will run 2 instances of dnsmasq |
| 18:26.40 | karlpinc | znull: That's a little strange. If you have a sound problem after reboot you may have to tell systemd to start pulseaudio after something else that's necessary. (Most likely it will just work, and had to do with your previous manual restarting -- although that it failed even so sounds like a bug.) |
| 18:26.57 | ws2k3 | karlpinc apt-get update |
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| 18:29.01 | karlpinc | ws2k3: And it does not update? |
| 18:30.10 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: What release are you on? |
| 18:30.20 | ws2k3 | karlpinc it does. but it break on one repo i added |
| 18:30.33 | ws2k3 | jhutchins i just upgrade to debian 9 |
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| 18:31.11 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Not 10? 10 is the lastest stable release. (and what release did you upgrade from?) |
| 18:31.39 | ws2k3 | karlpinc no not 10 upgrade debian 8 to 9 |
| 18:31.45 | ws2k3 | this is the full error https://pastebin.com/RkGq8bcj |
| 18:32.32 | ws2k3 | i tested the repo on 2 other servers and there it works just fine. so it must be an issue on this amchine |
| 18:33.36 | karlpinc | ws2k3: That's not a debian repo so we may or may not be able to help. You do know that adding non-debian repos to sources.list is a recepie for a broken system? |
| 18:34.09 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: do you have the ca-certificates package installed? What happens if you run 'update-ca-certificates'? |
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| 18:35.10 | ws2k3 | updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... 0 added, 0 removed; done. Running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d... done. |
| 18:35.36 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught yes i already reinstalled ca-certificates package without result |
| 18:35.56 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught also did a reboot still the same issue |
| 18:36.12 | ws2k3 | also checked the date/time on the machine that is also correct |
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| 18:36.45 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: by the way Debian 10 has php7.3 |
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| 18:37.24 | greycat | is there a betting pool for how soon the first user will demand a newer version of PHP? |
| 18:37.43 | karlpinc | ws2k3: So if your goal is to have php7.3 the best approach might be to upgrade to buster (debian 10). |
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| 18:38.04 | ws2k3 | karlpinc nope trying to get php 5.6 |
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| 18:39.59 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Maybe your missing a cert that's supplied by your target repo. Do they have instructions? |
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| 18:40.28 | ws2k3 | karlpinc i did sudo wget -O /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/php.gpg https://packages.sury.org/php/apt.gpg and that be it |
| 18:41.31 | karlpinc | ws2k3: And is the apt.gpg file in the same place on the systems that are working and the broken system? |
| 18:41.54 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Might not hurt to check the permissions too. |
| 18:42.07 | jmcnaught | That error is about the TLS certificate for https://packages.sury.org which incidentally works in firefox-esr here. |
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| 18:44.11 | ws2k3 | karlpinc i checked that and that is fine |
| 18:45.00 | Tom-_ | it turns out during the downgrade i had deleted some libraries e2fsck needs. i reinstalled them and ran update-initramfs -u and now I think the system is booting |
| 18:46.20 | Tom-_ | how do I get grub not to boot in quiet mode? no matter what i type at the end of the "linux" line or what I put in /etc/default/grub (and then run update-grub afterwarsd) it always hides the boot as if in quiet mode |
| 18:46.46 | greycat | remove "quiet" from the line in that file, and run update-grub |
| 18:46.48 | Tom-_ | however, if i type up my own commands using the GRUB command line, then linux boots normally. is it inheriting "quiet" from somewhere but still not showing it in the GRUB menu? |
| 18:47.00 | Tom-_ | i think i did but i'll try it again |
| 18:47.03 | greycat | verify the actual kernel parameters with cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 18:48.32 | Tom-_ | it says "ro single" at the end of /proc/cmdline. I only got visual output after the framebuffer modules were loaded, before then it was just a boring cursor on the top left of the screen |
| 18:48.55 | Tom-_ | do you think it might have something to do with booting in BIOS mood on an EFI system with an Nvidia video card? |
| 18:49.03 | Tom-_ | BIOS mode. freudian slip |
| 18:49.15 | olivetree_ | hi guys |
| 18:49.25 | olivetree_ | I have a question |
| 18:50.07 | greycat | Tom-_: wish I knew. |
| 18:50.09 | karlpinc | ws2k3: The instructions say to "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php5-compat". You might want to undo this and redo it, whatever those steps are. Presumeably adding the repo would setup the cert it uses. |
| 18:50.36 | karlpinc | !tell olivetree_ about ask |
| 18:50.56 | greycat | karlpinc: that sounds like an Ubuntu command |
| 18:51.20 | jmcnaught | yeah, is ppa:ondrej/php5-compat the same repo as sury.org? |
| 18:51.27 | greycat | I have no man page for "add-apt-repository" and I can't think of how a Debian system would be able to derive the meaning of "ppa:ondrej". |
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| 18:52.02 | karlpinc | greycat: He's doing awful things. |
| 18:52.18 | andana | Hey quick what does tar -S do? |
| 18:52.27 | greycat | Yeah, I saw "php 5.6". |
| 18:52.32 | greycat | andana: man tar |
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| 18:52.41 | Tom-_ | okay thanks for trying, greycat |
| 18:52.42 | olivetree_ | Hi, i'm running buster on a vps, and i'm trying to setup postfix and dovecot and thunderbird (smtp/imap), i can send from mutt emails everywhere, but on thunderbird only for my domain, can you tell me why and how can i resolve this? |
| 18:52.50 | Tom-_ | ppa's are Ubuntu i think |
| 18:52.59 | Tom-_ | I mean PPAs. down with apostrophes for pluralising |
| 18:53.02 | Tom-_ | dpkg, ppa? |
| 18:53.02 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 18:53.07 | karlpinc | andana: Then, "/-S" will do a "find". |
| 18:53.11 | greycat | Tom-_: at least you verified that the quiet parameter *has* been removed |
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| 18:53.42 | Tom-_ | correct |
| 18:53.55 | karlpinc | The sury.org site claims to support debian.... Not that I'm arguing that this is a good idea. |
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| 18:54.48 | somiaj | sury.org seems trusthworthy to me, they build for specific debian releases and it is a debian dev creating the packages, so as far as thirdy party goes, it is probably safe. |
| 18:55.27 | ws2k3 | yeah its valid repo. i disabled the verification to get around it.... |
| 18:55.28 | karlpinc | olivetree_: You'd need to look at the mail logs. Maybe show us... Also, if you don't get enough help here ask #postfix. (I like postfix....) |
| 18:55.28 | Tom-_ | nevermind, booting manually in a grub menu doesn't show the Linux booting messages either... in fact it doesn't work at all, maybe i need to include ro |
| 18:55.39 | ws2k3 | but that does not resolve the issue. cause this is a strange error that i wanne resolve |
| 18:56.34 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Start with the mail logs on your local box. Then those on the vps. |
| 18:57.10 | Tom-_ | i'm going to blame the BIOS and nvidia drivers |
| 18:57.12 | olivetree_ | i only have mail setup on the vps, not local. Local has only thunderbird. |
| 18:57.21 | olivetree_ | It says rejected |
| 18:57.29 | olivetree_ | check recipient |
| 18:57.34 | olivetree_ | relay denied |
| 18:57.36 | olivetree_ | i mean |
| 18:58.04 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Thunderbird is probably trying to give mail to the local box, which may or may not be configured to send mail via the VPS. |
| 18:58.05 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: maybe compare the checksum of /etc/ssl/ca-certificates.crt on the broken system with a working one? |
| 18:58.49 | somiaj | coulnd't debsums check that? |
| 18:58.56 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Or maybe Thunderbird is sending to the VPS and the vps does not trust your local box? The mail logs will reveal all. |
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| 18:59.02 | olivetree_ | I configured to the vps, and in fact it delivers to the vps email address, but i am not being able to send to other addresses |
| 18:59.32 | olivetree_ | thru the vps |
| 19:00.00 | jhutchins_wk | olivetree_: So the vps is not relaying from your system. |
| 19:00.09 | olivetree_ | thats it |
| 19:00.17 | olivetree_ | and i don't know why |
| 19:01.46 | jmcnaught | olivetree_: do you have postfix configured to accept mail submissions from clients like thunderbird on a separate port from 25? |
| 19:02.37 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Because you don't want random people using your VPS to send spam from your domain. So the VPS postfix must be configured to trust you. Ideally, you use the submission port on the VPS, and SASL authentication, so the vps knows it can trust you. |
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| 19:03.01 | olivetree_ | ah |
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| 19:03.32 | karlpinc | olivetree_: So when you send you first supply the vps with a username/password. |
| 19:03.38 | olivetree_ | i'm using the submission but not the sasl, i tought it would authenticate with the user dtabase |
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| 19:04.28 | karlpinc | olivetree_: I think it might. I forget the details. You told thunderbird your username/password for sending mail? (Again, look in the logs!) |
| 19:04.40 | olivetree_ | yes |
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| 19:04.55 | olivetree_ | and it send to the domain, but not any were else |
| 19:05.12 | karlpinc | olivetree_: You might have to tell postfix to use PAM authentication. |
| 19:05.36 | karlpinc | olivetree_: It sends to the domain because anybody can send to the domain if you are to receive mail from the world. |
| 19:05.52 | jmcnaught | olivetree_: can you make a paste of your /etc/postfix/main.cf and master.cf files? |
| 19:06.06 | jmcnaught | alternatively you might ask in #postfix |
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| 19:06.28 | olivetree_ | give me a moment |
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| 19:06.34 | karlpinc | olivetree_: (The first thing #postfix wants is main.cf and master.cf.) |
| 19:06.38 | olivetree_ | Where can i paste? pastebin? |
| 19:06.48 | karlpinc | !paste |
| 19:06.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:07.11 | karlpinc | !pastebinit |
| 19:07.11 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 19:18.25 | olivetree_ | https://pastebin.com/0miHRprL |
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| 19:19.44 | olivetree_ | https://pastebin.com/g2HxYzku |
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| 19:21.02 | olivetree_ | karlpinc, jmcnaught here they are |
| 19:21.33 | jhutchins_wk | olivetree_: You'll notice that pastebin.com is not one of the sites recommended in the factoid. They've had spam and malware problems and are blocked by some commercial firewalls. |
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| 19:24.15 | olivetree_ | BRB |
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| 19:30.18 | NetTerminalGene | there is no new version of firefox esr yet! |
| 19:30.25 | NetTerminalGene | what is going on? |
| 19:30.45 | greycat | Debian doesn't put out NEW versions of firefox-esr until absolutely mandated by the expiration of support for the CURRENT version. |
| 19:30.55 | greycat | For the current version, support expires in October. |
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| 19:31.20 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, i mean 60.8 esr |
| 19:31.25 | ws2k3 | if i have multi ip's on a machine. how do i configure/set which one should be used by default for outgoing traffic? |
| 19:31.40 | karlpinc | olivetree_: I think you need to paste the output of "postconf". (Pay attention to the lines containing "sasl". |
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| 19:32.05 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, there is still 60.7 |
| 19:33.04 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 19:33.29 | greycat | I'm sure they'll get around to 60.8.0 some time soon. |
| 19:38.32 | karlpinc | olivetree_: I now recall. I have this http://paste.debian.net/1091307/ in master.cf. Then I'm doing sasl magic in dovecot. (So there's only one place it needs be done.) |
| 19:39.04 | Akuw | i am geting "sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin" when so "sudo -u postgres psql -d mydb |
| 19:39.31 | wr | how can i check all package dependencies if all is ok on whole debian 10? |
| 19:39.59 | greycat | wr: "apt-get -f install" or "dpkg --configure -a" are common commands to verify a normal state |
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| 19:40.25 | greycat | but generally, if there's a problem, you would already be aware of it |
| 19:40.40 | wr | greycat, and to see if something is outdated between packages? |
| 19:41.19 | greycat | what do you mean by outdated between packages? |
| 19:41.41 | Tom-_ | greycat, I got the boot text back by removing an nvidia driver, I think, and redoing the initrd |
| 19:41.57 | wr | greycat, by the way on "dpkg --configure -a" i do get some errors on ldconfig and start-stop-daemon |
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| 19:42.57 | wr | greycat, i mean newer versions between package dependencies i don't know if it checks that automatically |
| 19:42.58 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Often you do that in the program that's sending outgoing traffic. |
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| 19:45.41 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: You set the default gateway device. |
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| 19:47.09 | greycat | wr: I still have no idea what you mean. If a newer version of a package is released (e.g. a security update), you'll pick that up with "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" or whatever the equivalents are in your chosen tool set. |
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| 19:48.41 | wr | greycat, i'm not sure if my system all package dependencies are ok, and if auto on update it checks it |
| 19:49.30 | greycat | What problems are you seeing? Have you resolved those start-stop-daemon issues you pointed out previously? If not, you could start there. |
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| 19:50.24 | jhutchins_wk | Wasn't there some sort of "fix" option for aptitude? |
| 19:50.47 | greycat | If his service run scripts are actually failing, aptitude can't "fix" that. |
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| 19:52.24 | wr | greycat, that ldconfig and start-stop-daemon yes |
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| 19:52.46 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, aptitude -f install is what I was thinking of. Not necessarily relelvant, just made me think of it. We used to see that suggested much more often than the last two or three releases. |
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| 19:52.53 | greycat | wr: well, fix those. |
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| 19:54.02 | wr | greycat, basically this https://paste.debian.net/1091311/ after the dpkg --configure -a, i did that yesterday on path change, and error persists |
| 19:54.05 | olivetree_ | back |
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| 19:55.21 | wr | greycat, after a echo $PATH command i have /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 19:55.52 | jhutchins_wk | wr: You have to do dpkg --configure as root. |
| 19:56.07 | wr | jhutchins_wk, am on root |
| 19:56.25 | greycat | dpkg, buster su is <reply>The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 19:56.27 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:56.41 | greycat | wr: if you think your PATH after su is the issue, see above. |
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| 19:57.06 | jhutchins_wk | wr: The fact that you have the games path indicates you have the non-root path. |
| 19:57.12 | wr | greycat, last time i did not use su, but su - |
| 19:57.22 | jhutchins_wk | wr: Your path says otherwise. |
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| 19:57.37 | karlpinc | olivetree_: See the backhistory |
| 19:58.11 | wr | jhutchins_wk, i did open the root shell here, but if it says that |
| 19:58.18 | greycat | buster's dpkg also sets PATH internally when it runs scripts, as a workaround for the buster su change |
| 19:58.24 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Then you need to tell dovecot to use "plain" authentication so it can use PAM. IIRC. |
| 19:58.41 | greycat | or at least I think I read that somewhere, but I don't recall where |
| 19:58.52 | jhutchins_wk | wr: You also don't have any sbin folders in your path. Try again. |
| 19:59.05 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Then, anyone with a Unix account can send/receive mail. (send via postfix, receive via dovecot) |
| 19:59.10 | jhutchins_wk | wr: ... or just log in as root on a console. |
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| 20:00.47 | olivetree_ | thanks :) |
| 20:00.49 | karlpinc | olivetree_: (I did something slightly different with dovecot/pam so that unix logins must be in a particular group in order to use imap or submission.) |
| 20:01.03 | olivetree_ | I just configured with that, now just to test |
| 20:01.16 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Does dovecot work? |
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| 20:01.51 | karlpinc | olivetree_: (And I don't recall where you put the TLS stuff. My paths may not be your paths.) |
| 20:01.52 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught i already copyed the ca-certificates.crt from another box same result |
| 20:02.30 | olivetree_ | yes |
| 20:03.00 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Then I'd _expect_ postfix to work. If you have sasl in postfix be "dovecot". |
| 20:03.02 | olivetree_ | if i recall well it's on main.cf |
| 20:03.38 | peterfarge | I want to install 'ssmtp' but get the error is: Package 'ssmtp' has no installation candidate |
| 20:03.38 | peterfarge | I have done 'apt-get update'. Its Debian 8.6 with this sources.list: |
| 20:03.38 | peterfarge | ####### Debian Jessie Archiv ########## |
| 20:03.38 | peterfarge | deb [check-valid-until=no] http://archive.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 20:03.38 | peterfarge | deb http://security.debian.org jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 20:03.42 | karlpinc | olivetree_: Some of that submission settings may not be relevant to you. |
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| 20:04.29 | wr | jhutchins_wk, did a export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin, it's same value i have on a new debian 10 vm install made, if i do after dpkg --configure i see same error |
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| 20:05.18 | greycat | peterfarge: your sources.list might have been chopped off, but just in case you really ONLY have two lines: you need the main repository line also, not just -backports. And there is no more security for jessie. |
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| 20:05.40 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 20:05.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:05.51 | Tom-_ | dpkg, glob |
| 20:05.51 | dpkg | Tom-_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:05.52 | LunaLovegood | I need to compile a QT5 app. What's the apt-get install QT5 dev package's name? |
| 20:05.53 | Tom-_ | dpkg, globbing |
| 20:05.55 | greycat | Hmm, maybe I'm wrong about the security bit. |
| 20:05.57 | wr | jhutchins_wk, installed a new debian virtual machine and got PATH values out, and did the export on my real machine |
| 20:06.28 | greycat | dpkg, glob is a shell pattern for matching files or strings, like *.txt |
| 20:06.28 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 20:07.29 | LunaLovegood | I want to compile a QT5 app on a headless thingy, so what *-dev package do I need to apt-get if I want as little bloat as possible on my headless machine? |
| 20:07.32 | peterfarge | dpkg: greycat: Thanks :) I will try it. |
| 20:07.32 | dpkg | peterfarge: I give up, what is it? |
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| 20:08.23 | tarzeau | LunaLovegood: which app? and why not just make a deb package ? |
| 20:09.12 | LunaLovegood | tarzeau: snowman, it's ARM and x86 decompiler. |
| 20:09.39 | greycat | because a decompiler uses a gui toolkit... ?:-( |
| 20:09.42 | tarzeau | tried redasm yet? |
| 20:09.45 | LunaLovegood | this one does |
| 20:09.57 | tarzeau | greycat: they got some funky graphings with code/data etc but yeah |
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| 20:10.02 | ws2k3 | so how would i fix this: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none |
| 20:10.05 | tarzeau | not like ndisasm / debug.com |
| 20:10.43 | tarzeau | LunaLovegood: i made packages of redasm ready to use :) http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/redasm/VERYNEW/ |
| 20:10.52 | tarzeau | LunaLovegood: can have a look at snowman, same url :) |
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| 20:11.27 | LunaLovegood | alright I try redasm. thank you. |
| 20:14.19 | dob1 | ,v tailf |
| 20:14.20 | judd | No package named 'tailf' was found in amd64. |
| 20:14.27 | dob1 | err |
| 20:14.34 | greycat | tailf was not a package; it was a program, and it's gone in buster |
| 20:14.43 | dob1 | greycat, for what? |
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| 20:14.49 | greycat | read the stretch manpage for it |
| 20:14.59 | ws2k3 | so how would i fix this: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none |
| 20:15.45 | dob1 | greycat, ah ok... I was thinking it was like an alias |
| 20:15.59 | greycat | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/util-linux/tailf.1.en.html |
| 20:16.02 | jhutchins_wk | wr: which ldconfig; dpkg -l libc-bin |
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| 20:16.05 | greycat | DAMN that look a lot of doing |
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| 20:21.22 | LinuxGuy2020 | Does the new 10 release require a swap partition or does it utilize a swap file like some other modern distros use? |
| 20:21.44 | greycat | As far as I know it uses either one, just like every Debian release before it. |
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| 20:24.23 | LunaLovegood | Damn. redasm segfaults when trying to disassemble the object file I wanted it to. Ithink I still have a QT5 dev install somewhere so I'll try snowman next I guess |
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| 20:25.39 | wr | jhutchins_wk, greycat the Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin, i do miss the last /sbin, so i changed it, and now the dpkg --configure -a gives no error, for now this seems solved |
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| 20:26.12 | greycat | Hmm. Maybe that bit about dpkg setting PATH internally was reverted, which would be why I can't find it in any current docs |
| 20:26.20 | greycat | Or I hallucinated it. |
| 20:28.00 | wr | greycat, jhutchins_wk is this command correct to change the $PATH variable. export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:$PATH |
| 20:28.43 | greycat | wr: either "su -" or "sudo -s" or "sudo -i" should give you a shell as root with the PATH properly set. If it doesn't, you have something else seriously wrong. Possibly you messed up ~root/.profile or something. |
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| 20:29.18 | karlpinc | wr: (That should work. It might get you duplicates.) Best to figure out what's broken and fix it rather than just adding duct tape on top. |
| 20:29.29 | greycat | The PATH with sbins in it should come from /etc/profile and /root/.profile should NOT override it, but maybe yours does because of some modification you made. |
| 20:30.10 | tarzeau | i love the users fiddling with LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 20:31.07 | jhutchins_wk | wr: The fact that echo $PATH showed a regular user path and not the root path indicates that something else was wrong that was causing the wrong path to be used. |
| 20:31.31 | jhutchins_wk | wr: You can kludge it to work, but you should figure out what is broken. |
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| 20:32.18 | peterfarge | greycat: Thanks a lot, it worked :) |
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| 20:35.12 | wr | brb |
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| 20:43.51 | deadrom | hi |
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| 20:44.51 | deadrom | how can I make a crontab script use X? example: if some script reaches a condition, do notify-send "alert!" |
| 20:45.16 | greycat | You can't do it without ugly kludges. |
| 20:45.19 | deadrom | but notify-send creates an X thingy. when called from cron the script is not attached to an X session |
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| 20:46.03 | deadrom | greycat: in a pinch I'm ok with ugly kludges. what would you suggest? |
| 20:46.15 | greycat | You either have to guess what the correct $DISPLAY variable is, and set it by hand, and that's horrible, or you have to set up some sort of service-daemon-thing that runs in your X session and have the cron job communicate with that instead of calling xpopupwhatever directly. |
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| 20:46.56 | deadrom | balls. |
| 20:47.08 | deadrom | ok, thanks |
| 20:48.14 | deadrom | $DISPLAY I could determine from the session and write in a file. yeah, could work. |
| 20:48.56 | greycat | what happens if you login twice at the same time |
| 20:48.59 | brwoods | Maybe create some sort of script to do it and add that to your desktop startup |
| 20:49.48 | cybercrypto | deadrom: there will be a user-session active to receive the alert? or? |
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| 20:51.12 | brwoods | or use w to get an xsession or all of them, and send them out that way |
| 20:51.35 | brwoods | I dunno |
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| 20:57.12 | jhutchins_wk | Also, the cron job would have to run as the user you're sending to, because they own the screen session. |
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| 20:57.42 | deadrom | cybercrypto: yes |
| 20:57.56 | deadrom | greycat: twice..? you mean login to two X sessions? |
| 20:58.13 | greycat | Sure. Yes. Or three console logins and two X sessions. |
| 20:58.33 | brwoods | Or run it as root and su it. |
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| 20:58.49 | greycat | Just in case you were planning to put the "write my DISPLAY variable to a file" thing in a file that would be run in both console and GUI logins. |
| 20:58.55 | jmcnaught | deadrom: cron emails output of the cronjob to the crontab owner, even if mail is local only you can probably get notifications based on a custom mail filter easier than messing with $DISPLAY |
| 20:58.58 | jhutchins_wk | cron has a mechanism to run as user. |
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| 20:59.29 | greycat | jmcnaught: the point is to have it POP UP on the display and not sit passively in a mail box that may not be currently viewed |
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| 21:00.51 | jmcnaught | Yeah I realize that, just thinking it could be easier to have thunderbird display a popup about a mail it receives |
| 21:00.56 | deadrom | greycat: easy: if soemone spawns 2 X sessions I'll have them shot |
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| 21:02.33 | spigot | anyone have a vimrc (in $home, not systemwide) that still sources the default rc files before loading their personal additions/changes? come across a few options to do so, and curious what folks are using |
| 21:02.34 | greycat | I suppose in theory you could create a subdirectory of $HOME and populate it with one file for each X session that starts up, with the file name being the $DISPLAY. Just make sure you remove them when ending the X session, and when booting. |
| 21:02.50 | wr | jhutchins, greycat noticied a thing after a test, when i go on my debian 10 new fresh virtual machine install and do a echo $PATH i get /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin but on my real debian pc on "su -" i get "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" but running a root "GUI terminal"(red) also on physsical pc i get /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games, this means values are different on |
| 21:02.50 | wr | the two different debians the virtual and my physical machine, what i wonder is if i should have those values if i open a root GUI terminal via menu and if all is ok |
| 21:02.52 | greycat | Then your hypothetical cron job could launch a popup in every DISPLAY in that directory. |
| 21:03.26 | cybercrypto | deadrom: you may want to authorize external use of X session (of the user session) using xhost. then i guess it could work |
| 21:04.08 | greycat | cybercrypto: NO! |
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| 21:04.10 | greycat | NO NO NO NO NO NOO NO! |
| 21:04.14 | greycat | NOOO! |
| 21:04.17 | greycat | BAD!! |
| 21:04.21 | deadrom | :D |
| 21:04.45 | tarzeau | xhost + ? |
| 21:04.46 | deadrom | I was about to say something similar, but it carried a lot more understatement |
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| 21:05.17 | greycat | tarzeau: naughty! |
| 21:05.45 | cybercrypto | greycat: will an external user be able to use X session with no auth? i dont think so. If you want to avoid xhost, please make your script to use ssh -X so it can also send messages via X tunnel. |
| 21:06.20 | greycat | THERE IS NO EXTERNAL USER |
| 21:06.25 | greycat | YOU RUN THE CRON JOB AS YOURSELF |
| 21:06.33 | tarzeau | ROFL |
| 21:06.43 | jmcnaught | wr: so you get the correct $PATH with sbin on your PC with 'su -l' but not if you use this 'root "GUI terminal"(red)'? Is this a red icon to get a root shell? |
| 21:06.50 | greycat | No ssh tunnel, no xhost, none of this CRAP. |
| 21:07.23 | tarzeau | gets the wodka from the fridge |
| 21:07.25 | deadrom | I do love a crude stunt but even I know xhost + is protomatter. it solves certain problems but any ethical scientist denounces it. |
| 21:08.45 | wr | jmcnaught, exactly, but i used "su -" not "su -l", the values differ on su - and the GUI root terminal on menu, that i don't know what that means |
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| 21:09.28 | wr | jmcnaught, by the way it's what i have on XFCE menu, have a root terminal on menu |
| 21:09.29 | jmcnaught | wr: it means that you should stop using that GUI root terminal in the menu, and from now on only use a regular terminal where you type "su -" or "su -l" which are the same thing |
| 21:09.39 | tarzeau | last week on reddit i read something like: if you make software more idiot proof. even worse idiots will get spawned... |
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| 21:10.39 | greycat | su - and su -l are the same |
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| 21:10.57 | wr | jmcnaught, i was convinced they were the same on a root, so it really does a difference? |
| 21:10.59 | greycat | clearly your GUI root shell terminal thingy is broken, and you should stop relying on it, or fix it, or report a bug on it |
| 21:11.23 | jmcnaught | wr: the difference is the one you have been struggling with, the $PATH being set correctly or not. |
| 21:11.32 | wr | jmcnaught, my doubt is, should the echo #PATH differ on GUI and shell? or not |
| 21:12.14 | greycat | GUIs are crazy and often brokenb. |
| 21:12.20 | greycat | Like my typing. |
| 21:12.49 | greycat | If you run a Desktop Environment, expect to spend a non-negligible portion of your time fighting against it. |
| 21:13.14 | tarzeau | that only applies to linux desktops |
| 21:13.19 | deadrom | gotta run, enjoyed my stay as usual, thanks for the ideas |
| 21:13.21 | greycat | *snort* |
| 21:13.29 | tarzeau | plan9 and macOS work quite good |
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| 21:13.44 | wr | greycat, jmcnaught i did try this in all ways to conclude that this xfce GUI root might be messing when i was doing changes, but not totally sure yet, but the thing is is that value "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" wrong? |
| 21:13.50 | jmcnaught | I use GNOME and never need to fight it. |
| 21:13.54 | tarzeau | jmcnaught: hahahaha |
| 21:14.07 | greycat | wr: did it WORK? Did it do what you NEEDED it to do? No? Then it ain't workin'. |
| 21:14.28 | jmcnaught | wr: root doesn't need /usr/games in its $PATH |
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| 21:14.32 | greycat | jmcnaught: oh my glob, GNOME is the absolute WORST offender. |
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| 21:15.05 | wr | greycat, i agree, all DE's somewhat suck i never seemed to totally like one, but i have to use one unfortunatelly |
| 21:15.33 | cybercrypto | greycat: what is your suggestion then? |
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| 21:15.44 | tarzeau | wr: you have to use one? and which one did you pick? xterm full screen? mouse cursor 1px transparent? |
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| 21:15.51 | jmcnaught | GNOME is just a means to switch between some terminal windows, a browser and an MUA. It stays out of my way, it's keyboard oriented, and stuff works like plugging USB sticks in or using multimedia keys. |
| 21:15.55 | kale | cybercrypto: xfce or fluxbox/blackbox |
| 21:16.04 | wr | jmcnaught, by what you guys refer the GUI root is not ok, and i agree |
| 21:16.12 | tarzeau | jmcnaught: and it's going badly wrong on resources even for such easy tasks |
| 21:16.13 | greycat | Want to fight with GNOME? Try doing something even *slightly* different from what the unwashed masses do. Like setting a custom umask value for your session. Or setting some LC_* values different from LANG. |
| 21:16.51 | wr | tarzeau, by now xfce, but i use lxde on other machines |
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| 21:16.53 | cybercrypto | kale: I am refering to greycat answer to send-notify. |
| 21:16.56 | greycat | These things take 10 seconds to do in any other environment. In GNOME they are completely impossible. |
| 21:17.04 | kale | cybercrypto: sorry |
| 21:17.20 | cybercrypto | kale: :-) |
| 21:17.20 | wr | tarzeau, but i don't totally love them... :( |
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| 21:18.35 | tarzeau | bottle empty. good night |
| 21:18.38 | dob1 | if in a systemd service file, in the After= section I put a service that will never start or that it fails to start, the service related to this file will never start either? |
| 21:18.47 | wr | jmcnaught, but let me get back to basics, what value should be there? the same as my other? like export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin ? |
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| 21:20.15 | greycat | wr: open a terminal, and run "su -". The PATH you get there is the one you want in your GUI "root shell". If your GUI "root shell" does not give you that value, figure out what you will do about it. |
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| 21:23.26 | dob1 | too late for the question, have to go sorry |
| 21:24.50 | wr | greycat, roger, did the change, gonna reboot and see what happens |
| 21:25.40 | noodlepie | Running Debian 10 stable on our 2 core AMD/ATI jobber! |
| 21:25.53 | noodlepie | It's all working well! |
| 21:25.58 | noodlepie | I love it! |
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| 21:38.20 | wr | jmcnaught, greycat, still on games, eish.... the part of figure out, is format hard disk for me |
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| 21:38.46 | greycat | I explained it in excruciating detail. |
| 21:38.57 | greycat | What are you STILL confused about? |
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| 21:58.10 | Lady_Aleena | ACK! http://paste.debian.net/ is down! |
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| 21:58.36 | wr | sound the alarms |
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| 21:59.07 | wr | Lady_Aleena, maybe power went out |
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| 22:00.01 | dvs | they did an upgrade to buster but it didn't go well. ;-) |
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| 22:03.29 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: termbin is actually quite nice, I almost like it better |
| 22:03.31 | somiaj | !termbin |
| 22:03.31 | dpkg | i heard termbin is you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 22:04.48 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, but termbin doesn't have a web interface where I can paste things into it. |
| 22:05.58 | somiaj | yea, so just pipe the command to netcat as stated there. (: |
| 22:05.58 | EdePopede | you just need netcat and a shell ;) |
| 22:06.40 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, sometimes I like to edit the output before sending. |
| 22:06.58 | EdePopede | you can. save it to a file and there you go |
| 22:07.20 | Lady_Aleena | Too much work. I'll use Gist for now. |
| 22:07.43 | wr | Lady_Aleena, https://qbin.io/ https://paste.ee/ |
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| 22:09.02 | Lady_Aleena | Guys, I can wait for paste.debian.net to come back. I just thought some might like to know that it was down. |
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| 22:16.59 | Tom-_ | I can't use growisofs to write a CD? |
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| 22:17.06 | Tom-_ | !growisofs |
| 22:17.06 | dpkg | growisofs is a program for burning DVD images, it can also create a data DVD on-the-fly. Packaged for Debian in dvd+rw-tools. http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ See also <wodim>. |
| 22:17.13 | Tom-_ | !cdrkit |
| 22:17.13 | dpkg | cdrkit is a fork of <cdrtools> developed by the Debian Project, introduced at Debian 4.0 "Etch". Documentation is packaged as cdrkit-doc, see /usr/share/doc/cdrkit-doc/WHY. See also <genisoimage>, <wodim>. http://www.cdrkit.org/ |
| 22:17.26 | Tom-_ | Lady_Aleena, there's dpaste.com if you like |
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| 22:18.48 | cronolio | hey debian, i use bullseye here and i have this https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/8495 |
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| 22:21.59 | cronolio | ah u know https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931777 |
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| 22:23.23 | Muyfret | what is this debian-archive-keyring update about? |
| 22:23.36 | Muyfret | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.14 | Lady_Aleena | Tom-_, I said I can use Gist until paste.debian.net is back. 8) |
| 22:24.28 | Tom-_ | yeah but i didn't read it because work and effort |
| 22:24.34 | Lady_Aleena | Ok |
| 22:24.52 | Tom-_ | not really a good reason honestly :) |
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| 22:26.52 | Tom-_ | is wodim foobar.iso supposed to work? |
| 22:27.10 | Tom-_ | my .iso file mounts with -oloop fine, but the CD I made I think is a coaster |
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| 22:27.39 | somiaj | I think you have to tell wodim what device to write it to |
| 22:27.49 | somiaj | wodim -scanbus should give you the devices if I recall correctly |
| 22:27.52 | Tom-_ | it must have gotten the write device because it wrote to the CD |
| 22:28.00 | Tom-_ | the right write device ;) |
| 22:28.14 | Tom-_ | okay but thank you for answering the quesiton |
| 22:28.36 | Tom-_ | the CD says "data" when I use file -s /dev/sr0 |
| 22:28.54 | LtL | Muyfret: that package is for http://archive.debian.org/ old releases |
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| 22:33.18 | edarfoc | hi guys |
| 22:33.37 | edarfoc | GNOME Software landing page is kind of empty here (Buster) |
| 22:33.49 | edarfoc | anyone else noticed that? |
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| 22:48.10 | Tom-_ | okay so wodim speed=8 -data foo.iso didn't help, still can't recognise the filesystem |
| 22:48.58 | Tom-_ | anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 22:49.49 | donuthole | I just upgraded from stretch to buster and now pulseaudio thinks the only sound hardware I have is "Dummy Output". Hence, no audio output. How do I diagnose and fix this? |
| 22:49.50 | somiaj | I still don't see you specifcying what device to write too |
| 22:50.10 | donuthole | "lspci | grep -i audio" gives.... |
| 22:50.11 | somiaj | donuthole: cat /proc/asound/cards (does alsa still see all your cards correctly)? |
| 22:50.17 | donuthole | 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH HD Audio |
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| 22:50.40 | donuthole | somiaj, looks like it. |
| 22:50.51 | donuthole | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.51 | donuthole | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.02 | somiaj | okay so aklsa see's your intel card |
| 22:51.16 | donuthole | (aplay -l sees it too) |
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| 22:51.33 | somiaj | it could be some other application has run before pulseaudio and has grabbed your soundcard and made it so pulseaudio cannot open it. |
| 22:52.02 | donuthole | According to fuser, nobody has /dev/dsp open |
| 22:52.16 | donuthole | Is there a different device I should check? |
| 22:52.33 | somiaj | maybe use lsof | grep /dev/snd (or something similar) to see what process has the sound card opened |
| 22:52.53 | somiaj | I think /dev/dsp is the old oss, not alsa devices, it is /dev/snd/something |
| 22:53.24 | donuthole | Hmm, timidity, wtf is timidity. Let's try purging it. |
| 22:53.31 | Tom-_ | somiaj, it's definitely writing to a device |
| 22:53.55 | somiaj | Tom-_: hmm, guess it defaults to one nicely now -- I haven't burned a cd in 10 years or so) |
| 22:54.02 | impermanence | where is the ca cert bundle in jessie? |
| 22:54.05 | donuthole | Aha, that fixed it. |
| 22:54.10 | impermanence | I have literally 0 deb exp |
| 22:54.12 | donuthole | somiaj, thank you! |
| 22:54.18 | Tom-_ | it says "Dtected CD-R drive: /dev/sr0" and it writes the device like you might expect. the only question I have is if I can write a .iso file with no extra command line options with wodim |
| 22:54.25 | somiaj | donuthole: did you find the process that has your sound card open? |
| 22:54.29 | Tom-_ | i've never really used wodim before, only cdrecord and growisofs |
| 22:54.42 | somiaj | Tom-_: wodim is cdrecrod |
| 22:54.56 | somiaj | it was renammed many years back |
| 22:55.07 | Tom-_ | yeah, so, same command line options i guess then |
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| 22:55.37 | donuthole | somiaj, yes, it was timidity. I just uninstalled it. |
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| 22:56.36 | dvs | Oh, is this another timidity-daemon problem hogging the sound card? |
| 22:56.37 | somiaj | yea, timidity was my guess on the culprit, it has a server that likes to grab the sound card early |
| 22:57.02 | somiaj | I thought they fixed this whole issue during testing, it is a bit old now, but I guess their fix wasn't good enough and only got some situations |
| 22:57.23 | donuthole | dvs, according to lsof the process name was timidity, |
| 22:57.40 | somiaj | ,v timidity-daemon |
| 22:57.41 | judd | Package: timidity-daemon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.13.2-40.2; stretch: 2.13.2-40.5; bullseye: 2.14.0-8; buster: 2.14.0-8; sid: 2.14.0-8 |
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| 22:58.06 | somiaj | donuthole: timidity-daemon is the package that caused the problem, you can have timidity installed without the daemon fwiw. |
| 22:58.15 | donuthole | ah, ok |
| 22:58.48 | donuthole | anyway, thanks again |
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| 23:13.47 | wr | jmcnaught, did a debian 10 install of live iso and noticed it does not have same GUI root terminal i have on menu |
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| 23:17.45 | humbabl | what menu is that and what do you have on it? |
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