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| 00:48.19 | Gretch | hi |
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| 01:00.54 | dominix | hi everyone, |
| 01:00.54 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 01:00.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:01.24 | dominix | is there a difference between dist-upgrade and full-upgrade ? |
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| 01:05.26 | dvs | nope |
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| 01:39.15 | annadane | i know contabs are stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs but i get permission denied even if i try to get it for my user, any other place they're stored? |
| 01:40.52 | somiaj | annadane: run crontab -e |
| 01:41.08 | annadane | fair enough |
| 01:41.26 | annadane | was just wondering if i could cp /path/to/user/cron /dev/externalmediadevicethingy |
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| 01:42.38 | somiaj | ahh wanting to back it up. drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 4096 Oct 7 2017 /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ -- anyways add your user to the crontab group if you want to allow them into that directory |
| 01:43.27 | annadane | yeah i was thinking in my head "back them up" and didn't actually write that, sorry |
| 01:45.49 | jmcnaught | what about crontab -l > crontab |
| 01:46.08 | somiaj | ahh yea, could just use crontab and not have to be in the group |
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| 02:23.20 | toruvinn | annadane, it's basicaly same as crontab -l > /mnt/externalmedia/my_cron.txt |
| 02:23.30 | toruvinn | crontab -l is basicaly a `cat' on the file. |
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| 02:25.18 | annadane | yeah i was a dumdum as per usual and not using my (already extremely limited) brain |
| 02:26.28 | fraktor | I'm writing an application that needs to be able to create, modify, and control system services. Is there a way I can give permissions to the user/group that will be running it so that it has those permissions, but not certain other permissions? |
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| 02:48.10 | magic_ninja | has anyone tried grsync. I'm just looking to periodically back up the system configuration |
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| 03:00.38 | jmcnaught | magic_ninja: do you mean backing up /etc? You'll need to be root for that, and running GUI programs as root is not recommended. Have you looked at using backup software like duplicity or restic? |
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| 03:04.51 | magic_ninja | not really wanting duplicity. I'm wanting system-restore like functionality. |
| 03:05.03 | magic_ninja | Just for my actual system. Home is on a separate partition. |
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| 03:06.12 | magic_ninja | it looks like I really need to just learn rsync |
| 03:06.24 | magic_ninja | I don't see a straight-forward gui to do it for me :( |
| 03:06.43 | jmcnaught | Using a program meant for synchronization for backups can be risky if you accidentally sync in the wrong direction. |
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| 03:10.23 | magic_ninja | well, anything like that is risky |
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| 05:02.42 | vnlinuser | I installed the kvm virtual machine on debian 10, using the bridge network mode, but after installing the virtual machine, I can't access the Internet. Can only ping the host, the gateway can not ping |
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| 05:08.00 | Logg | I like to use macvtap w/VEPA mode, it works for me. vnlinuser |
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| 05:12.36 | vnlinuser | Ok. Wait for me to try. But why not use bridging? Is it a bug? |
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| 07:15.02 | finn0 | Is it possible to use password manager (seahorse) for managing password for ssh keys same as gpg keys? |
| 07:15.26 | finn0 | I'm tried of entering password each time I have to ssh. |
| 07:15.35 | finn0 | *use |
| 07:15.59 | finn0 | And also want to change pinentry program for ssh. |
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| 07:20.44 | blackflow | finn0: use ssh-agent? |
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| 07:21.21 | dstaring | Every day, I feel like I'm fighting my computer(s), the software running on it as well as the authors of that software. |
| 07:21.58 | dstaring | Imagine a world where computers existed that weren't designed from the ground up to piss you off, cripple you, limit you, talk down onto you, insult you, and not to mention spy on everything you do/input. |
| 07:22.17 | dstaring | I wish I were living in such a world. |
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| 07:28.35 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
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| 07:30.47 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
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| 08:25.01 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, i have this strange issue with dns on mobile broadband device, in the networkmanager IPv4 settings i setup Method: Automatic, addresses only and DNS servers 9.9.9.9, 149.112.112.112 i applied the changes, restarted neworkmanager and resolv.conf shows my 9.9.9.9, 149.112.112.112 and everything works fine but after reboot, it applies the default DNS provided by the ISP which is slow as hell, it overwrites resol.conf but, if i do a quick |
| 08:25.01 | diogenes_ | disconnect and connect the network, then my 9.9.9.9, 149.112.112.112 comes back, same settings work flawlessly with ethernet, it doesn't overwrite resolv.conf on reboot, the problem is only with mobile broadband connection, does anyone have any idea how can i fix this? |
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| 08:30.39 | dstaring | diogenes_: I can't even get the most basic, easy-to-help-with questions/problems answered/resolved; your problem seems to be highly involved and stands no chance of getting answered. :/ |
| 08:31.53 | diogenes_ | dstaring, i don't understand what you mean? you mean i didn't explain it well or what? |
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| 08:33.28 | dstaring | diogenes_: No, I meant that I myself have a lot of questions all the time which are much easier to help with/answer, but they (as in not just this room, but in general on IRC and Stack Exchange and whatnot) still don't/can't answer them. |
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| 08:33.46 | dstaring | diogenes_: I know it's not helpful, but I just had to point it out. |
| 08:35.14 | diogenes_ | dstaring, i actually discovered a dirty brute force way to make it work by making a file with my desired nameservers in /usr/lib/systemd/ and symlink it to resolv.conf, and it applies globally but i thought maybe someone has a more elegant approach. |
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| 08:40.14 | dstaring | In a lot of ways, IRC today seems to be almost a big cruel joke. |
| 08:40.33 | dstaring | "Ask your questions! By all means! ... but don't expect anyone to ever read/answer them." |
| 08:41.15 | oo_miguel | just installed cups and the printer-driver-all package. while I Can see my samsung sl-m2026 when trying to add a printer in cups as usb://... there is no matching driver in the list available. what should I do next? |
| 08:41.15 | dstaring | I'm not talking about just right now, but in general, this is really how I feel. I can't tell you how many questions I've spent forever typing out only to never have them seen/answered. |
| 08:41.27 | diogenes_ | dstaring, well i was helped many times and helped others too, there are just lucky and unlucky hours. |
| 08:41.49 | oo_miguel | CUPS also lets me provide an PPD File |
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| 08:49.26 | ratrace | hi all. been away from irc for a while, though i'd pop by with upgrade to buster. i see the channel is still going strong. awesome! |
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| 08:53.30 | antto | in my debian9 here, in "Installed (local or obsolete)" i got just one package - quake3-data .. i installed this manually via some tutorial.. will i have issues with upgrading to debian10 with this? |
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| 09:03.49 | dstaring | ratrace: "Going strong" is quite an ironic thing to say given what I said just before you joined... |
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| 09:06.22 | Ede|Popede | antto: did you install it into dpkg controlled area? then theoretically it *may* clash with what 10 will bring, but i don't think so, it may be too specific. especially since it is the data package, levels, graphics and the like i guess, so it all should be in appropriate subdirectories (in short: i see a bigger risk with packages containing executables) |
| 09:07.27 | Ede|Popede | antto: especially since such a package doesn't seem to exist in dpkg's database. you still could check with `dpkg -L quake3-data` for a list of files just to feel safe. |
| 09:07.59 | antto | Ede|Popede it doesn't come from debian, it is the game data "pak3.pak" or whatever, from quake3, iirc i used some gate-data-packager tool to turn this pak3.pak into a debian package in order to install it, i think with gdebi |
| 09:08.32 | antto | there are no executibles since it uses the openarena or ioquake3 "engine" to run it |
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| 09:10.23 | Ede|Popede | antto: never used such tools, planned to have a look at them anyway with buster. but usually i don't even bother repackaging such things (eg newest firefox or youtube-dl with its usually at least 2 updates per week), i always could throw them into /usr/local until now without any problems |
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| 09:13.07 | antto | maybe this: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/quake3 or i've followed some tutorial, but that's what i used, game-data-packager, and then iirc i ended up with a .deb file |
| 09:13.14 | antto | i've probably used gdebi on it |
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| 09:15.06 | Ede|Popede | dstaring: i collected a rather big bag uf unanswered question over time, but also a lot of others had been answered. sometimes there's simply noone around who knows the answer for your particular situation, at least you don't seem to be one of those users quitting 10 minutes after their initial question ;) |
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| 09:15.44 | antto | 10 minute? some have only 10 seconds of patience |
| 09:15.58 | bionade24 | Is docker.io now debian's official docker package |
| 09:16.23 | bionade24 | ? |
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| 09:17.05 | dstaring | Ede|Popede: I mean, it *happens* that questions do get answered, but it's really a low ratio. |
| 09:17.42 | Ede|Popede | heh. gotta see if i can get quake somewhere, found half life 2 and 1602 for 2⬠each i think in a social shop. so this is a starter script and even the engine is included, only the game data must be there? sounds fair. |
| 09:17.44 | dstaring | It's so frustrating when nobody seems to be alive on IRC and the Stack Exchange questions have 0 answers, 0 comments, 0 upvotes and like 12 views after 48 hours... |
| 09:18.00 | dstaring | 1602? |
| 09:18.21 | bionade24 | dstaring: It's early in the morning :) |
| 09:18.27 | dstaring | (And it's not just that 48 hours have passed in itself, but those are the critical hours where you stand any chance of anyone seeing them.) |
| 09:18.41 | dstaring | bionade24: Doesn't this sphere have like 24 different timezones? |
| 09:19.22 | dstaring | Not to mention at least I have very varying sleeping patterns. |
| 09:19.26 | bionade24 | dstaring: Seems diffrent TZs have diffrent IRC networks |
| 09:20.23 | Ede|Popede | dstaring: yep, like i was asking about persistency. went to the live channel on ofts later, less life there as in elvis for about one week. and no, i don't have an answer so far, and yes, it is frustrating. and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_1602 (free now i've seen, but why not having the original cd) |
| 09:20.29 | dstaring | I bet there is some flourishing secret IRC network full of ultra-smart geeks who know everything and are burning with desire to ask questions, only nobody ever tells me about it. |
| 09:20.57 | dstaring | *answer questions |
| 09:21.17 | Ede|Popede | dstaring: irc knows only one timezone which is UGT http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 09:21.47 | humpled | huh |
| 09:22.24 | humpled | one of my biggest problems with persistence was that half of the people writing blog posts about it couldn't spell persistance properly |
| 09:23.50 | dstaring | What blog posts? |
| 09:24.21 | humpled | why would i recall that |
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| 09:24.56 | dob1 | I would like to start dnsmasq after openvpn, so I have to use After= in [Unit] of dnsmasq.service, righ? |
| 09:25.02 | Ede|Popede | dstaring: yep, SE. good idea i must say, but something always kept me away to create an account. usually i get search engined there, and too often i see either "this is not a question" or "blocked by community". if they don't want this stuff to be used they should hide it from googlebot&co. they wanted to build up a Q&A section based on good answeres to frequent questions some years ago (redacting a selection isn't a bad idea either) but the |
| 09:25.02 | Ede|Popede | project was stopped. |
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| 09:28.00 | Ede|Popede | humpled: persistence or persistance? ;) |
| 09:28.40 | humpled | :D |
| 09:29.03 | dstaring | Ede|Popede: They are fanatic about censoring any question that they don't like, yes. It's a nightmare trying to abide by their rules. |
| 09:29.14 | dstaring | Ede|Popede: I only use it because I literally don't know about anything else. |
| 09:29.25 | dstaring | Other than IRC, which is hopeless for any complex question 99% of the time. |
| 09:29.32 | dstaring | And by "complex", I mean "not very complex at all". |
| 09:29.46 | antto | "aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)'" indeed lists only this package quake3-data |
| 09:30.10 | Ede|Popede | irc has its technical (not IT, but workflow) limits, it is more a overcrowded pub than anything else |
| 09:30.16 | antto | so, i should remove it, according to the upgrade guide: "It is a good idea to remove obsolete packages from your system before upgrading." |
| 09:30.18 | dstaring | Quake 3 is too modern. Even 2 is. The original Quake had some nice atmosphere and visuals and stuff, though. |
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| 09:30.44 | dstaring | Ede|Popede: I have a constant nagging feeling that I'm fundamentally missing something. |
| 09:31.11 | dstaring | I think it's common even for geeks to have some sort of "network" of people who they privately talk to and ask for advice, but I never managed to build such a thing. |
| 09:31.17 | dstaring | Which is strange since I'm so loveable... |
| 09:32.01 | Ede|Popede | antto: you could. wouldn't harm. and then reinstall when you got buster running. (and i'd still advice not to throw files into dpkg land from 3rd parties, even if only to avoid a possible name clash in the future. wasn't also some other software name quake?) |
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| 09:32.37 | humpled | guake maybe |
| 09:33.21 | humpled | i think there's just more knowledge than people |
| 09:33.30 | user9876 | hi guys, what I have done to install nginx 1.17 on debian 9? apt-get install nginx results into 1.10.3 :/ |
| 09:33.32 | Ede|Popede | dstaring: you can bet they have. at some point people may build up other networks. or better, they connect to others, the networks grow up dynamically. |
| 09:33.44 | Ede|Popede | ,v nginx |
| 09:33.46 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u6; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.14.1-1~bpo9+1; bullseye: 1.14.2-2; buster: 1.14.2-2; sid: 1.14.2-2 |
| 09:33.46 | humpled | and there's constantly being new knowledge and experienced people are constantly moving on to different things |
| 09:34.20 | Ede|Popede | user9876: if you want their newest release i think you have to grab it from their site directly |
| 09:34.57 | Ede|Popede | user9876: but also for you, should you do it: try to install it into /opt or /usr/local to keep your system clean |
| 09:35.03 | user9876 | Is 1.10.3 still secure? |
| 09:35.58 | antto | !sources.list |
| 09:35.59 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 09:36.00 | Ede|Popede | user9876: with 'install' usually meaning unpacking some tarball and throwing the binary somewhere and building up a working configuration and maybe a wrapper script |
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| 09:37.28 | user9876 | Ede|Popede, what do you mean? |
| 09:37.44 | user9876 | I can't follow you |
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| 09:38.17 | Ede|Popede | user9876: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=nginx |
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| 09:38.53 | antto | what is "M-^" ?! |
| 09:39.17 | antto | is trying to copy paste text in pico |
| 09:39.20 | Ede|Popede | user9876: debian usually stays with the version after freeze. but packages get security fixes, the good thing when going with stable |
| 09:39.38 | Ede|Popede | antto: M = Meta = Alt (usually) |
| 09:40.05 | Ede|Popede | antto: usually means press Escape, release, and then the other key |
| 09:40.20 | antto | x_x |
| 09:41.05 | Ede|Popede | antto: don't forget, unixoids run on tons of hardware, from embedded to mainframes and also terminals from the 70s with really funny keyboards |
| 09:41.38 | antto | okay, so meta+6 |
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| 09:42.01 | antto | meta is the "windows key" right? |
| 09:42.04 | Ede|Popede | antto: shift+6 is & here, completely depends on your layout ;) |
| 09:42.14 | antto | crap |
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| 09:42.30 | Ede|Popede | antto: nope, alt. windows is hyper (or was it super? never can remember it) |
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| 09:43.49 | antto | uh, i assumed there is "paste" |
| 09:43.57 | Ede|Popede | at least things like C-\ work good here. C and right alt (which is AltGr in fact, so another layer) and à (which is the key right to the 0). right? ;) |
| 09:44.10 | antto | linux text editors, they just hate me |
| 09:44.30 | antto | imma just type all the urls like last two times x_x |
| 09:44.38 | Ede|Popede | there should be one for every user, at least there are enough of them :) |
| 09:45.52 | Ede|Popede | i use midnight commander's internal editor a lot while i jump through my file system, no need to use another one in the subshell, integrates great with the file manager |
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| 09:47.21 | Ede|Popede | user9876: what i meant is, don't put it into /usr/bin/nginx, you may overwrite it later when you install it from the repo (should take some time until 1.17 will appear there, but better to not even start doing such things) |
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| 10:04.32 | antto | "Reading changelogs... 41%" :/ |
| 10:04.51 | antto | oh, maybe it was a moment of dyslexia |
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| 10:07.51 | gloops | will this graphics run straight from a wheezy install WINFAST PX6800 LE TDH GRAPHICS CARD |
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| 10:08.54 | antto | gloops perhaps you could test it with a debian-live iso? |
| 10:09.25 | gloops | well im going to buy a PC that has it - the PC isnt set up to test, just the box |
| 10:09.47 | gloops | it uses Nvidia graphics engine, im suspecting it would be problematic |
| 10:09.53 | antto | no idea then |
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| 10:15.10 | humpled | wheezy? |
| 10:17.23 | humpled | even nouveau sometimes drops support for really old cards |
| 10:18.08 | Ede|Popede | hi end PCIe? did you look into or ask in some hardware forum? someone may have tested it already. just found http://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-Leadtek/WinFast_PX6800_LE_TDH.html with no comments or questions so far, but they don't even mention the release date. srsly? could be brand new or 10 years old. |
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| 10:20.02 | humpled | there's a review from 2005 |
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| 10:24.21 | gloops | yeah its to run linuxcnc - its on wheezy, or the config i use is |
| 10:24.53 | ratrace | how's btrfs these days? guess I'd give it another spin with the new kernel in buster. i had some unmountable volumes issues, after switching extent types from single to mirror before with stretch. |
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| 10:33.47 | daifuco | hi do you know when there will be buster backports? apparently the current stable kernel is not compatible with steam |
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| 10:35.39 | blackflow | daifuco: I'm no longer on Buster but Steam worked just fine when I was (used it since soft freeze). |
| 10:37.13 | antto | is upgrading, cross yer fingerz |
| 10:38.00 | daifuco | thanks blackflow, it seems a kernel related problem but there must be more factors, linus himself posted the patch on the steam github |
| 10:41.07 | blackflow | daifuco: IIRC that's already patched upstream and never affected Buster. Did you actually have a problem or just read somewhere about some potential error with it? |
| 10:41.36 | blackflow | (it's definitely patched in Ubuntu kernels) |
| 10:42.00 | daifuco | it wont connect to steam blackflow |
| 10:42.55 | daifuco | maybe i am not tracking the problem properly |
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| 10:43.12 | daifuco | https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/6326 |
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| 10:44.57 | finn0 | blackflow: Thanks. |
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| 10:51.41 | finn0 | Suddenly my whole system freezes for around couple of hours and then automatically logout myself. And after sometime system atomatically shutdown. I'm looking for cause. Where should I start digging? |
| 10:51.59 | finn0 | probably journalctl log |
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| 10:54.42 | nope | I am new to debian, how often do they release kernels fixes? i mean stable |
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| 11:01.57 | ratrace | nope: whenever there is an important security fix, and debian point releases bump up the kernel to a newer upstream kernel point release. |
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| 11:25.21 | jim | hi (and already looked at dpkg --help), how do I print the architectures that have been added? |
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| 11:30.03 | jelly | --print-foreign-architectures |
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| 11:34.03 | jelly | nope, maybe once a month |
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| 11:37.38 | antto | oh boy, upgrade finished! \o/ |
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| 11:39.09 | antto | hm, the first thing that i see after text mode changes to a high-resolution is "Resuming from hybernation" |
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| 11:45.15 | antto | i see that on 3 different machines i upgraded so far |
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| 11:55.57 | aindilis | anyone know how to set default `date` command format? Mine changed after an `apt-get --fix-broken install`? |
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| 11:57.12 | dob1 | I think it's related to locale |
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| 11:57.36 | aindilis | thanks, yeah I set the local correctly using dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:57.52 | aindilis | but it still giving me the wrong date format? I wonder if they changed it? |
| 11:58.24 | dob1 | I don't know then |
| 11:58.48 | aindilis | kk, ty! |
| 11:58.54 | dob1 | aindilis, you mean 12h/24h ? |
| 11:59.00 | aindilis | yeah |
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| 11:59.09 | dob1 | is your timezone correct? |
| 11:59.14 | aindilis | checking |
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| 11:59.49 | aindilis | I think so |
| 12:00.08 | dob1 | wait someone else :) |
| 12:02.29 | aindilis | ty! |
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| 12:03.44 | mrig | Hi |
| 12:03.52 | aindilis | hi |
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| 12:04.59 | mrig | I am trying to install a package that requires i386 support, dpkg lists it as being present, but nothing was installed when it was added and the the package throw an architecture error when I try to install it. |
| 12:05.11 | mrig | I would be grateful of any help. |
| 12:06.27 | mrig | I am running buster, having just updated, this package was working fine on stretch. |
| 12:07.03 | aindilis | dob1: got it, I had to set to like C.UTF-8 instead of en_US.UTF8 |
| 12:07.24 | mrig | seems to be something up with the foreign architecture in dpkg; Unless I have used it incorrectly. |
| 12:07.48 | dob1 | aindilis, your locale is not present? C is a standard one |
| 12:08.35 | aindilis | sorry I don't know what you mean by not present? |
| 12:09.07 | dob1 | aindilis, is it not in the list? |
| 12:09.21 | aindilis | well it is, but it was giving the wrong format |
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| 12:11.34 | aindilis | well, I tried updating to C and it didn't work, so I just set an env var of export LC_TIME=C.UTF-8 |
| 12:11.45 | aindilis | this will help my system to function until I can figure out what is going on |
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| 12:14.34 | sybariten | 'elo |
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| 12:15.00 | sybariten | I'm on a live Debian 10 and trying to install this mysterious tool called monit. Anyone know if it should be possible? I can see some packages for debain9 floating around |
| 12:15.17 | sybariten | Reason i want it is to try out something called OpenMediaVault .... but maybe i'm a bit optimistic here |
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| 12:17.53 | jim | jelly, that, I did see... isn't --print-foreign-architectures a list of all the possible archs you could add? |
| 12:19.00 | jim | sybariten, where can you get this monit? |
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| 12:21.51 | sybariten | jim: heres the homepage... i think. Its a bit dubious because i get the impression there is also a commercial tool called monit. https://mmonit.com/monit/ then the packages... well i found them on the other laptop next to me but as soon as the screensaver kicked in on that live debian 10, the HP laptop is ... sleeping or something :-D |
| 12:24.06 | sybariten | but i saw a .deb file on some official debian package site.... a deb file for debian 9 i take it. I found a discussion on reddit saying monit has been removed from debian 10 |
| 12:24.11 | jim | sybariten, there are debian packages for monit? what are they called? |
| 12:25.09 | jim | note, the name of a .deb file has the package name... if you start at the beginning of the name, and go to just before the first _ character, that';s the package name |
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| 12:26.05 | sybariten | okay |
| 12:26.32 | sybariten | Yeah i really dont know where i found it now, im having a grahics driver with the other machine i suppose and need to reboot it :) |
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| 12:27.15 | jim | usually the version string is between the first _ and the second... and the arch is between the second _ and the .deb |
| 12:31.02 | sybariten | ok |
| 12:31.22 | sybariten | but lets ask this quesiotn more generally .... a package made for debian 9 wont install well on a debian 10 right? |
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| 12:31.44 | humpled | right |
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| 12:37.49 | jelly | ,v monit |
| 12:37.50 | judd | Package: monit on amd64 -- jessie: 1:5.9-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:5.9-1+deb8u2; stretch: 1:5.20.0-6; bullseye: 1:5.26.0-1; sid: 1:5.26.0-1 |
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| 12:40.45 | jelly | removed from buster around http://bugs.debian.org/930637 |
| 12:40.55 | ws2k3 | im trying to setup dkim for my domain. i checked a few tutorials and did all the steps. but i keep getting opendkim-testkey: using default configfile /etc/opendkim.conf opendkim-testkey: checking key 'default._domainkey.mydomain.com' opendkim-testkey: No key and i dont realy understand what this error means. |
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| 12:42.16 | jelly | sybariten, monit does not have many dependencies. If you have to, you should be able to backport it or enable stretch repos and install from there. |
| 12:42.28 | jelly | sybariten, why do you need it? |
| 12:43.23 | jelly | ws2k3, if you don't have either dkim or dmarc right now it's probably better to work or setting up dmarc and avoid older dkim completely |
| 12:44.20 | jelly | to work ON* setting up dmarc |
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| 12:45.27 | jelly | ,checkbackport monit |
| 12:45.37 | judd | Backporting package monit in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using archignore, buster, virtual. |
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| 12:46.47 | ws2k3 | jelly im reading that you need dkim and spf before you can move on to dmarc |
| 12:49.45 | sybariten | hey jelly |
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| 12:50.29 | sybariten | i wanted to install it to be able to install something called OpenMediaVault , from apt-get, over a running live debian 10 usb (which is not at all recommended apparently) |
| 12:50.44 | sybariten | i had some other dependancy issues but managed to solve all of them down to just monit |
| 12:51.00 | jelly | sybariten, and does OMV explicitely support debian 10 now? |
| 12:51.11 | sybariten | jelly: hmmmm |
| 12:52.10 | sybariten | well, there seems to be guides for the OMV version called 5 (alpha) on debian 10, on the OMV forums |
| 12:52.13 | mrig | Hi, anyone have any ideas of things that I might investigate to get the i386 architecture installed? |
| 12:52.21 | mrig | in dpkg. |
| 12:52.38 | jelly | sybariten, you will probably want to ask OMV people about it. |
| 12:52.39 | sybariten | this was just something i wanted to try quickly, not so important really. .... it would be so nice to have a live distro that is solely made for sharing drives |
| 12:52.42 | sybariten | yeah |
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| 12:53.15 | jelly | mrig, what is your actual goal, after enabling i386? |
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| 12:53.46 | jelly | ws2k3, spf yes. dmarc replaces dkim afaik. |
| 12:53.59 | mrig | I am trying to install a windows application on crossover, unfortunately it is requesting i386 architecture. |
| 12:54.05 | mrig | Hello jelly |
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| 12:54.37 | mrig | Still learning to program so that I can write my own version of the software for linux :) |
| 12:54.51 | mrig | not there yet though ... |
| 12:55.01 | ws2k3 | jelly https://dmarc.org/2017/03/can-i-use-dmarc-if-i-have-only-deployed-spf/ They knew the recommendation is to use both DKIM and SPF |
| 12:55.37 | mrig | jelly: so essentially this if for wine. |
| 12:55.58 | jelly | mrig, how is it "requesting"? |
| 12:56.08 | jelly | ws2k3, ah, that makes sense |
| 12:56.08 | ws2k3 | jelly so im gonna continue with dkim just to make sure. but the strange thing is. a dig to default_domainkey.mydomain.com respondse with the key nicely. but opendkim just says No key |
| 12:56.47 | jelly | ws2k3, I don't see anything in "dig default_domainkey.mydomain.com TXT" |
| 12:57.25 | jelly | suspects ws2k3 does not actually own mydomain.com |
| 12:57.39 | ws2k3 | jelly true. i replaced it with mydomainc.om |
| 12:58.25 | mrig | jelly: this is the message when I try to install the package: http://ix.io/1Om5 |
| 12:58.25 | ws2k3 | jelly the respondse is "v=DKIM1\; k=rsa\; p=M........ im not gonna paste the whole string here |
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| 12:59.54 | ws2k3 | jelly nslookup also reply's with the correct reply |
| 13:00.31 | jelly | mrig, you'll want to enable i386 as foreign architecture. |
| 13:00.47 | jelly | !multiarch |
| 13:00.47 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 13:01.15 | mrig | jelly: I have run: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 13:01.20 | mrig | to no avail. |
| 13:01.46 | jelly | mrig, and an update after that? |
| 13:01.48 | mrig | nothing is added when I update |
| 13:01.50 | mrig | yes |
| 13:02.13 | jelly | does the output of your command change after that? |
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| 13:02.38 | mrig | no not at all, it is if nothing has changed. |
| 13:03.37 | jelly | mrig, then first install the package it complains about |
| 13:03.38 | mrig | I ran : `dpkg -l | grep i386` too, that is an empty set. |
| 13:04.01 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.33 | jelly | or get a newer crossover version that may have fixed that dependency. |
| 13:04.35 | mrig | I have the package from the vendor crossover_17.0.0-1.deb, that is all. |
| 13:04.48 | mrig | Cant get a newer on :( |
| 13:04.50 | jelly | mrig, install multiarch-support |
| 13:04.51 | mrig | one |
| 13:04.55 | mrig | ah! |
| 13:05.01 | jelly | why can't you get a newer one? |
| 13:05.19 | mrig | I am not prepared to pay for it again. |
| 13:05.19 | jelly | does CodeWeavers not have support for their users? |
| 13:05.31 | mrig | only for one year. |
| 13:05.57 | jelly | is 17 supposed to work on debian 10 at all? |
| 13:06.29 | mrig | they recommend that I use mint, a couple of years ago ... |
| 13:06.59 | mrig | as there are bugs with the gui in the software that I was running on it. |
| 13:07.01 | jelly | you should probably use the distro and release the vendor actually tested |
| 13:07.10 | jelly | or report bugs. |
| 13:07.19 | mrig | Actually I could just use wine now as I am not really using that program. |
| 13:08.46 | mrig | na, will dump it before doing that, I am not about to change os for the software, has worked fine up till now. I will try installing multi architecture support, that does ring a bell as something that I may have over looked here. |
| 13:09.26 | jelly | that's a literal package named "multiarch-support" |
| 13:09.31 | jelly | ,i multiarch-support |
| 13:09.32 | judd | Package multiarch-support (oldlibs, optional) in buster/amd64: Transitional package to ensure multiarch compatibility. Version: 2.28-10; Size: 210.0k; Installed: 234k; Homepage: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/libc.html |
| 13:09.56 | mrig | jelly that is the issue, thanks a lot! |
| 13:10.27 | mrig | I have a listing of everything that I install to get up and running, seems that I have left that off of it. |
| 13:10.57 | jelly | it should not be needed on packages made to work for debian 8-9 or later. |
| 13:11.38 | mrig | Well I was running jessey I think when I acquired the software. |
| 13:14.39 | mrig | jelly well there has still not been a single package added, but the error message is at leas now listing what it requires :) |
| 13:14.42 | mrig | http://ix.io/1Omp |
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| 13:15.12 | mrig | If I remember correctly I can fix this using apt-get |
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| 13:16.08 | mrig | oh it makes me cringe every time that I do this ... |
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| 13:16.50 | mrig | jelly: Thanks, installed now. |
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| 13:43.45 | derf_ | hey all, im having trouble opening a txt file from my debian buster gnome. Im using linux for about 3 weeks now. checked the internet - installed gnome-tweaks and managed to copy my file to my desktop. But i cannot open it. |
| 13:44.17 | derf_ | i can open it as a user from shell with the command "nano" |
| 13:44.57 | derf_ | but not when i double click on the file, an texteditor is installed and when i open the same file from almost any other dir it works |
| 13:47.41 | ayekat | derf_: what happens if you right-click to get a context menu (and then something like "Open with...")? |
| 13:48.02 | ayekat | derf_: also, what happens when you double-click, actually? |
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| 13:50.21 | derf_ | ayekat, when i right-click to get a context menu it shows the context menu with abit more options then without the gnome tweaks extension called "Desktop Icons" |
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| 13:51.06 | derf_ | i can create a new folder or paste as well as the usual gnome options i had without the extension |
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| 13:51.47 | derf_ | and when i double click, the file i guess you mean, it tries to do something but nothing happens |
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| 13:52.18 | derf_ | i had a notification the first time i tried, saying something with no permission but it never showed again |
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| 13:53.39 | voager | hi guys |
| 13:54.33 | voager | i want to change mouse pointer in parrotsec |
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| 13:59.37 | BCMM | did offsec switch distro or something? |
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| 14:06.58 | ayekat | derf_: yes, but is there no option "Open with..." in that context menu? |
| 14:07.18 | derf_ | yes |
| 14:07.35 | derf_ | texteditor is the standart app |
| 14:08.12 | ayekat | derf_: out of curiosity, what does `file {filename}` tell you what the file type is? |
| 14:08.31 | derf_ | text/plain |
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| 14:08.43 | derf_ | simple textfile (im translating from german) |
| 14:08.45 | ayekat | derf_: is it executable? |
| 14:08.51 | derf_ | yes i made it |
| 14:09.11 | ayekat | ah... so double-clicking might in fact invoke it as a script rather than open it in a text editor |
| 14:09.36 | derf_ | ok so i have to unclick the executeable option? |
| 14:09.52 | ayekat | yes - unless it's supposed to be an executable shell script, that is - but I doubt it |
| 14:09.58 | derf_ | ahhh |
| 14:10.04 | ayekat | (I mean, it's you who's got that file - no idea what you want to do with it ^^) |
| 14:10.24 | derf_ | so now it says i have no permission |
| 14:10.37 | derf_ | its some simple notes ... i need to learn using linux :D |
| 14:11.02 | ayekat | derf_: ls -l {file} |
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| 14:12.24 | derf_ | ok, and what did that do now? :D it works yeah |
| 14:12.41 | ayekat | derf_: no, what's the output? |
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| 14:14.13 | derf_ | sec |
| 14:14.45 | derf_ | -rw-rw-rw- 1 derf derf 2336 Jul 10 19:51 note |
| 14:14.56 | derf_ | but the file opens now |
| 14:15.30 | ayekat | you probably did something else in between, then |
| 14:15.49 | ayekat | but yeah, if `note` there is `text/plain`, this looks fine |
| 14:16.16 | ayekat | (although - I'd make it only writable for yourself, and read-only for others, i.e. -rw-r--r--) |
| 14:16.44 | ayekat | that's also the default for newly created files, unless you've fiddled around with umask (but I think you would know if you had) |
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| 14:18.44 | derf_ | yeah, i guess i would :D but no i didnt unmask doest tell me anything. ok i will change them as reccomended. Thanks alot :) |
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| 14:22.18 | ratrace | who asked before about steam not working in buster due to connection issues? I just upgraded my computer from stretch and steam is working fine, fwiw. |
| 14:22.31 | jelly | derf_, it's "umask" not unmask |
| 14:22.46 | derf_ | steam is working for me too, perfectly |
| 14:22.59 | derf_ | oh sorry jelly :) |
| 14:23.17 | ratrace | someone before asked about newer kernel from backports thinking that kernel issue that broke steam for 5.0 kernels would affect buster too |
| 14:23.28 | jelly | if that command says "000", that's not a default value and you or something else has changed it |
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| 14:46.50 | brontosaurusrex | Trying to build mpv using mpv-build (This was working on stretch), but now on Buster i'am getting https://paste.debian.net/plain/1091472 |
| 14:46.58 | brontosaurusrex | What shall I do? |
| 14:50.47 | jelly | brontosaurusrex, install missing build dependencies? |
| 14:51.03 | jelly | apt-cache search libfreetype dev |
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| 14:54.11 | brontosaurusrex | sudo apt install --reinstall libfreetype6-dev < trying now |
| 14:54.22 | jelly | why reinstall? |
| 14:54.32 | brontosaurusrex | cos it was already installed |
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| 14:57.22 | jelly | if it was installed, that probably won't help |
| 14:57.56 | jelly | what are you missing from Debian's mpv build? |
| 14:58.20 | brontosaurusrex | jelly: not behaving well with youtube-dl |
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| 14:59.02 | jelly | that usually means youtube-dl is old |
| 14:59.08 | dob1 | I would like to start dnsmasq after openvpn, so I have to use After= in [Unit] of dnsmasq.service, righ? |
| 14:59.11 | OerHeks | build it yourself https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl |
| 14:59.20 | jelly | brontosaurusrex, do you have a video URL that fails? |
| 14:59.27 | brontosaurusrex | omg, I have latest version of youtube-dl |
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| 15:00.14 | brontosaurusrex | jelly: uhmm, no, but it behaves in a way that video goes into slomotion and audio plays ahead, some sort of weird desink |
| 15:00.50 | petn-randall | dob1: That would work, yes. |
| 15:01.21 | dob1 | petn-randall, ok but openvpn or openvpn-server@server01 that is the service that I start ? |
| 15:01.39 | ayekat | brontosaurusrex: for every video or just a specific one? maybe the video is just like that |
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| 15:02.43 | petn-randall | dob1: I'd go with openvpn-server@server01 if that's the specific instance you want to wait for. |
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| 15:04.43 | brontosaurusrex | ayekat: seems random and that never happened on stretch/latest mpv-build. |
| 15:04.56 | jelly | brontosaurusrex, hmm. see if manually increasing cache/buffer size and prefill helps |
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| 15:05.30 | brontosaurusrex | What If I try to figure out how to build it without libass? |
| 15:05.42 | brontosaurusrex | I'am just loosing *.ass subtitles? |
| 15:06.07 | jelly | you might coerce it to use distro libass. |
| 15:06.23 | jelly | instead of the bundled copy |
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| 15:07.48 | inerkick | HI guys. I just installed Debian 9.9 on my 32 bit machine . I don't have wifi drivers, I tried to install network-manager to pick my smartphone hotspot, but it's not working out. Kindly help |
| 15:08.42 | dob1 | petn-randall, it worked |
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| 15:09.12 | lesta | inerkick: USB tethering |
| 15:10.03 | inerkick | i don't have cable :( That's why lesta . Nor I got ethernet cable |
| 15:10.07 | faber | 739bxs 891okx |
| 15:10.08 | somiaj | inerkick: most likely you are missing the non-free firwmare for your card |
| 15:10.38 | inerkick | yes, i tried to install too somiaj lesta with this, downloaded all the packages too but it isn't working https://www.linux.com/learn/how-install-firmware-debian-enable-wireless-video-or-sound |
| 15:10.42 | somiaj | inerkick: what card is it, so you can identify what firmware you need (or look at dmesg | grep -i firmware). You may need to manually copy over the firmware to get it up. |
| 15:11.21 | somiaj | you didn't state what card or firmware you tried, it has to match. You could also just use the unoffical firmawre installer |
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| 15:11.24 | vlt | Hello. Is it possible to update from Debian 8 directly to 10 or should I go to 9 first? |
| 15:11.32 | somiaj | vlt: you have to go through 9 first |
| 15:11.37 | inerkick | ok |
| 15:11.43 | inerkick | wait will check somiaj |
| 15:12.04 | somiaj | vlt: upgrade scripts are only designed to do one release at a time, also due to transtional packages and so forth, you need to upgrade one release at a time |
| 15:12.44 | vlt | somiaj: Ok, Iâll do that. Thank you! |
| 15:13.10 | englebert | 840vma 413xnv |
| 15:15.08 | jelly | inerkick, it's too late now, but the simplest thing to do is use an installer image which already has firmware on it |
| 15:15.12 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 15:15.13 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:15.27 | jelly | (replace amd64 with i386 un the URL there for 32bit) |
| 15:16.34 | inerkick | ok |
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| 15:34.09 | inerkick | jelly: dpkg , is it the firmware I got to download |
| 15:34.41 | jelly | that's for installing the whole OS again. |
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| 15:35.49 | inerkick | oh ok |
| 15:36.26 | inerkick | it says firmware-10.0.0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 15:36.30 | inerkick | is it that one? |
| 15:36.38 | inerkick | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 15:36.56 | inerkick | for my 32 bit machine |
| 15:37.10 | jelly | I'd download the iso directly, from iso-cd dir, not torrent, but yes |
| 15:37.19 | jelly | and that's debian 10 not 9 |
| 15:37.39 | inerkick | ok |
| 15:37.50 | inerkick | but netstats? I don't have any internet though |
| 15:37.58 | inerkick | and its around 488MB |
| 15:38.35 | inerkick | it got network drivers, is that what it is? |
| 15:38.59 | humpled | netinst means the base image for installation |
| 15:39.05 | jelly | it has drivers and firmware to make drivers work. |
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| 15:41.52 | brontosaurusrex | It appears as if /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.la is missing from Buster (Compared to Stretch), would that be a bug? |
| 15:42.47 | inerkick | ok . Earlier I was trying these were the drivers , https://ibb.co/93TSFXJ https://ibb.co/MM6yL2d |
| 15:42.53 | inerkick | jelly: |
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| 15:45.48 | jelly | oh, broadcom |
| 15:45.51 | jelly | !BCM4311 |
| 15:45.51 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
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| 15:46.19 | jelly | !b43-fwcutter |
| 15:46.19 | dpkg | Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy |
| 15:46.56 | jelly | inerkick, I have no idea whether the info above is accurate. See the wiki link as well |
| 15:47.09 | inerkick | ok |
| 15:47.22 | jelly | not even firmware images will have firmware for that wifi. |
| 15:47.39 | jelly | your wired eth probably ought to Just Work. |
| 15:47.46 | somiaj | brontosaurusrex: my guess is it is a change in the libaryies use of libtool, I can't find any changelog info about the change, but I agree that for some reason the file was removed/nolonger generated by libtool between stretch and buster. |
| 15:48.44 | jelly | inerkick, so if you get somewhere with WIRED internet access you might be able to download all the other stuff needed to make wireless working |
| 15:49.15 | somiaj | inerkick: having a wired network (or even usb device) to connect to the internet to install the firmware is the easiest way. Debian has scripts that do all the work, provided you have an internet connection. |
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| 15:49.40 | somiaj | I have had to manually use fw-cutter and it is a pain, from manually downloading the windows driver, to actually using the command and copying the firmwaer to the right spot. |
| 15:49.47 | inerkick | i tried with b43-fwcutter bhut didn't work |
| 15:50.19 | somiaj | well you have to follow a chain of instructions, including downloding the correct windows driver to cut. |
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| 15:50.29 | inerkick | i'm currently downloading on another maching and trying those drivers. Just that got to work |
| 15:51.30 | inerkick | that netstat will work right jelly , somiaj . I will try that |
| 15:51.41 | inerkick | oh it doesn't then i guess, jelly |
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| 15:55.00 | zerocool | after buster upgrade vm will not dhcp to it's reserved address, is this common? |
| 15:56.08 | zerocool | i had to manually `ip addr del $currentaddress dev $interface`, `dhclient -r` and then `dhclient`.br |
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| 15:56.56 | zerocool | simply doing the dhclient things alone would give the interface two addresses |
| 15:57.17 | zerocool | -_- but then on reboot it has some other address again |
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| 15:57.25 | ayekat | zerocool: is systemd-networkd running by any chance? |
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| 15:57.50 | jhutchins | zerocool: Probably something about the virtual MAC changed. |
| 15:58.02 | zerocool | jhutchins: no the mac is the same |
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| 15:58.39 | zerocool | ayekat: shows status disabled, inactive (dead) |
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| 15:59.17 | ayekat | hmm... I just thought maybe it's been upgraded and is now sending its DUID and the router can't handle that |
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| 15:59.51 | zerocool | windows dhcp/dns here |
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| 16:00.28 | zerocool | i tripple checked all the MACs line up, that's not it... someone on reddit has mentioned needing to reconfigure... i'll get the link |
| 16:00.29 | xbow | good *nish |
| 16:00.40 | zerocool | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/ca5vjb/dhcp_identifiers_changed_on_upgrade_to_buster/ |
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| 16:01.17 | zerocool | i did make this change, no difference... |
| 16:01.52 | ayekat | so yeah, that's the DUID |
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| 16:02.03 | ayekat | windows DHCP servers can't handle that |
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| 16:03.11 | ayekat | zerocool: are you using dhclient directly or with ifupdown? |
| 16:03.11 | zerocool | yeah so i went to dhcp and looked at the address that it IS getting (not in reservations) and the unique id shows a super long string... i have disabled this in that config though... i think, i did it with sed maybe i didn't actually match |
| 16:03.24 | zerocool | ayekat: i was using it directly |
| 16:03.33 | ayekat | zerocool: please don't edit configuration files with sed |
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| 16:05.28 | ayekat | actually no, windows DHCP servers *can* handle DUIDs - but probably it has reserved the slot for your machine via the MAC address, hence it's handing out a different IP address |
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| 16:06.12 | ayekat | although, you say that a second run of dhclient gives you the desired IP? |
| 16:06.20 | zerocool | ayekat: that's still a pain though because i have like 90 other upgrades to do |
| 16:06.44 | ayekat | yeah the joys of non-rolling release |
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| 16:07.10 | zerocool | eek, no 200 |
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| 16:07.36 | ayekat | zerocool: what's the service file you use to run dhclient at startup? |
| 16:07.47 | ayekat | could you please paste that somewhere? |
| 16:07.59 | zerocool | ayekat: what is default |
| 16:08.18 | ayekat | fires up his debian VM |
| 16:08.22 | somiaj | infernix: the unoffical netinstall will still not have firmware for your card, you have to use the fw-cutter. |
| 16:08.27 | zerocool | was installed stretch everything was default /etc/network/interfaces just sets the interface dhcp |
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| 16:08.53 | ayekat | zerocool: ah, you said you were using dhclient directly, not with ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces is ifupdown configuration) |
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| 16:09.12 | zerocool | ayekat: oh yeah, no, just for troubleshooting |
| 16:09.34 | ayekat | zerocool: yes, but it may be that ifupdown calls dhclient with a different set of options |
| 16:09.48 | ayekat | which makes it send the DUID instead of only the MAC address |
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| 16:11.49 | ayekat | unfortunately I'm not familiar with ifupdown and dhclient, so I'm not sure how to debug that (I assume that dhclient is invoked in a way that it exits after getting an IP lease, so you probably can't see with what options ifupdown invokes it) |
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| 16:13.42 | zerocool | ayekat: yeah, im googling around now, thanks for your help so far though. |
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| 16:30.18 | karlpinc | zerocool: If you tell the interfaces file to use dhcp ifup/down will run dhclient. You _could_ help debugging by tcpdump-ing the traffic. But really you'd want to look at the logs on the dhcp server to see why it is doing what it is doing. |
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| 16:41.02 | zerocool | im actually wondering if i shouldn't just leave it because i understand and appreciate the pros of getting away from a mac, and i like to stick with the defaults as much as possible |
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| 16:46.07 | zerocool | we really don't have the problem that the switch solves though and when we do have that problem we already know what it is and how to fix it whereas this makes things more complicated... and you can't tell from outside the vm what the duid will be... currently you can open the network adapter properties, get the mac and set it in dhcp before it even calls for a lease |
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| 17:19.33 | vadique | hi, I can't install Debian, may you help? |
| 17:19.44 | dstaring | Every keypress... is a chore. |
| 17:20.05 | vadique | I got Debian 10 netinst, and I'm stuck at "no Ethernet card was detected" |
| 17:20.18 | vadique | I have Asus vivobook |
| 17:20.30 | nkuttler | which nic? |
| 17:20.30 | vadique | it has only wifi |
| 17:20.34 | nkuttler | eh.. |
| 17:20.38 | nkuttler | !firmware installer |
| 17:20.38 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 17:20.55 | nkuttler | you probably need one of those, would be easier to tell if we knew the chip though |
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| 17:23.38 | dstaring | If the installer itself didn't have the drivers (called "firmware" here?), how likely is it that the user is going to have a floppy with the drivers for *Linux*? |
| 17:23.41 | vadique | how to know the chip? |
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| 17:23.55 | dstaring | Can't remember the last time I saw drivers for anything but MS-DOS and Windows. |
| 17:24.23 | dstaring | And Macs. |
| 17:24.31 | dstaring | But even Mac is rare. |
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| 17:26.39 | zerocool | what if i did this how bad would i be |
| 17:26.44 | zerocool | sed -e "s/^#\(send dhcp-client-identitifier\).*$/\1 $(ip link show dev ens192 | grep ether | awk '{ print $2 }')/" /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 17:26.45 | jmcnaught | dstaring: it's covered in the installation manual which also links to an ISO image that contains most of the firmwares: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.en.html |
| 17:27.01 | vadique | lspci gives realtek semiconductor b822 |
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| 17:32.21 | vadique | realtek b822 is rare? or what? |
| 17:32.30 | vadique | unsupported? |
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| 17:32.54 | jmcnaught | vadique: is the installer asking you to load a firmware? |
| 17:33.31 | zerocool | oh wait nevermind, `sed -e "s/^#\(send dhcp-client-identitifier\).*$/\1 = hardware;/" /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf` |
| 17:33.31 | vadique | no, it shows me a list of zillion driver choices |
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| 17:35.03 | jmcnaught | vadique: I'm not sure what you mean, can you show us by taking a picture and putting it on https://imgur.com/ or some place? |
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| 17:35.26 | vadique | okay |
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| 17:39.47 | vadique | http://imgur.com/BQmIdrJ |
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| 17:40.52 | vadique | I pick many of them, but it returns to this list |
| 17:42.53 | jmcnaught | vadique: I have never seen this screen in the installer before. Which ISO image are you using? |
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| 17:43.09 | vadique | Debian 10 netinst |
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| 17:43.38 | jmcnaught | !firmware image |
| 17:43.38 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 17:43.54 | jmcnaught | vadique: you could try with the image above that includes non-free firmwares which might help |
| 17:44.00 | ws2k3 | im trying to setup dkim for my domain. i checked a few tutorials and did all the steps. but i keep getting opendkim-testkey: using default configfile /etc/opendkim.conf opendkim-testkey: checking key 'default._domainkey.mydomain.com' opendkim-testkey: No key and i dont realy understand what this error means. |
| 17:44.08 | vadique | are you sure I need any firmware? |
| 17:44.51 | jmcnaught | vadique: how new is the computer? Is it newer than the Linux 4.19 release in October 2018? |
| 17:44.53 | vadique | okay I am rebooting |
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| 17:48.12 | vadique | jmcnaught: bought it two hours ago |
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| 17:49.17 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: do you have a TXT record with the DKIM public key at default._domainkey.example.com's DNS? |
| 17:49.29 | jmcnaught | vadique: ? |
| 17:49.46 | coruja | oh, there are torrents for the unofficial firmware isos too |
| 17:49.53 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught yes. with dig and nslookup i can fetch them. |
| 17:50.04 | coruja | feeds transmission |
| 17:50.14 | zleap | hi |
| 17:50.45 | zleap | what is the bar thing caleld at a top of the window, as I just loaded up vlc and I can't see it, therefore can't grab it to move a window, i want to look up how I can sort this out please |
| 17:50.49 | zleap | called |
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| 17:51.00 | vadique | there are edu and smaller, which one to pick? |
| 17:51.09 | jmcnaught | zleap: it's called the title bar |
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| 17:51.12 | zleap | ok |
| 17:51.24 | zleap | so how do I move a window down if it appears off the top of the screen |
| 17:51.29 | jmcnaught | vadique: you don't need the edu one |
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| 17:52.08 | jmcnaught | zleap: if you are in GNOME and probably KDE then hit "Alt+Space" to get the window menu, select move |
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| 17:52.39 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught i maby have made a typo i had default_domainkey.example.com |
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| 17:52.47 | zleap | jmcnaught: thanks that worked, I am using lxde if that helps |
| 17:53.01 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught and now the error is gone :D |
| 17:53.32 | jmcnaught | zleap: good to know that shortcut works in LXDE too. |
| 17:53.38 | zleap | :) |
| 17:53.39 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: nice :) |
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| 17:54.13 | zleap | ok q2 now that libreoffice 6 is using gtk how do I change the menu font size |
| 17:54.36 | zleap | http://zleap.net/libreoffice-font-sizes/ |
| 17:54.55 | zleap | similar to that but that is for LO 5.x on Debian 9, |
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| 17:56.23 | jmcnaught | zleap: I can change the size of "Interface Text" in gnome-tweaks, don't know if that would still work in LXDE |
| 17:56.32 | coruja | zleap, lxappearance manages gtk options |
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| 17:57.17 | coruja | zleap, for window decorations use obconf or lxappearance-obconf as it's domain of openbox |
| 17:57.59 | CrazyTux | I am about to download the ISO of Debian 10 to install it on one of my computers. Could you please suggest the most suitable DE for absolute beginners in linux? for someone who has been using Windows. |
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| 17:59.27 | jmcnaught | CrazyTux: I think GNOME is the most polished but it is different from Windows yet not difficult to learn. Xfce or KDE might be more familiar for you. |
| 17:59.29 | vlt | CrazyTux: Gnome or MATE |
| 18:00.08 | CrazyTux | ok. |
| 18:00.27 | CrazyTux | it has to be stable and bugfree too. |
| 18:00.42 | CrazyTux | it needs to be intuitive, easy to operate. |
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| 18:00.58 | NetTerminalGene | CrazyTux, kde, xfce, mate |
| 18:01.10 | CrazyTux | NetTerminalGene: in that order? |
| 18:01.20 | zleap | is that a separate application |
| 18:01.28 | zleap | lxappearance and lxappearance-obconf |
| 18:01.29 | dstaring | jmcnaught: So Linux calls drivers "firmwares"? |
| 18:01.30 | ratrace | zleap: we fixed it by installing libreoffice-gtk3 package |
| 18:01.32 | dstaring | I thought they were different. |
| 18:01.34 | NetTerminalGene | if you want simple and easy i suggest xfce. i didn't use mate |
| 18:01.38 | jmcnaught | dstaring: they are different |
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| 18:01.52 | CrazyTux | NetTerminalGene: ok |
| 18:02.25 | jmcnaught | CrazyTux: you can have more than one desktop environment installed at a time so if you don't like one it's easy to switch to another. |
| 18:02.34 | zleap | ok installing libreoffice -gtk3 |
| 18:03.14 | CrazyTux | jmcnaught: but, that would introduce more complications, I suppose. |
| 18:03.36 | jmcnaught | CrazyTux: not really, just more programs installed. |
| 18:03.57 | CrazyTux | jmcnaught: it wouldn't make the OS unstable? |
| 18:04.05 | jmcnaught | CrazyTux: no |
| 18:04.13 | CrazyTux | jmcnaught: ok |
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| 18:04.26 | NetTerminalGene | CrazyTux, don't do that |
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| 18:04.43 | NetTerminalGene | you will open wring settings |
| 18:04.46 | CrazyTux | I am using Linux Mint now. I freezes randomly. Does this happen on Debian too? |
| 18:04.48 | jmcnaught | CrazyTux: when a program is installed but not being used, it just takes up space on the disk and in menus. Your menus would be pretty cluttered if you installed *all* of them though. |
| 18:04.49 | NetTerminalGene | wrong* |
| 18:04.51 | CrazyTux | NetTerminalGene: ok |
| 18:05.01 | zleap | ratrace: i think installing libreoffice-gtk3 seems to fix it |
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| 18:05.07 | CrazyTux | jmcnaught: ok |
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| 18:05.54 | shellclear | Hi, After upgrade from stretch to buster I'm facing issues with nouveau modules. kworker process have cpu nice set to -20 and some cpu cores are stuck in 100% usage. the system is impossible to use because have a cpu load of 12.0 ... to solve this issue I installed nvidia proprietary drivers and the kernel seems ok now... but I would like to use nouveau instead proprietaru drivers... someone know if is a known bug or if i |
| 18:05.57 | shellclear | t has a way to fix it? |
| 18:07.13 | jmcnaught | shellclear: there is a #nouveau channel where they might know more than #debian. Do you know how to switch back to nouveau? |
| 18:07.49 | shellclear | Yep I know. |
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| 18:07.58 | shellclear | jmcnaught: Yes |
| 18:07.58 | zleap | not sure if this is useful but typing lxappearance on a terminal window seems to come up with the following "Gtk-Message: 19:05:58.945: Failed to load module "atk-bridge" it loads ok but is this something that should be loaded |
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| 18:08.26 | zleap | typing apt install atk-bridge doesn't seem to install anything |
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| 18:09.05 | jmcnaught | shellclear: some nvidia cards require a non-free firmware from the firmware-misc-nonfree package even with nouveau, but I don't know if missing the firmware would cause symptoms like this. |
| 18:10.32 | petn-randall | zleap: I'd assume that it's referring to some module in lxde, not a kernel module or Debian package. |
| 18:10.49 | zleap | ok |
| 18:10.51 | shellclear | jmcnaught: I already had firmware-misc-nonfree package installed . |
| 18:11.14 | zleap | well it doesn't appear to be affecting anything essential right now |
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| 18:12.11 | zleap | ugh, chromium browser seems sluggish on Debian10 i need it for scratch which does not work in firefox |
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| 18:13.01 | jmcnaught | zleap: ATK is the accessiblity toolkit, it's for things like screen readers and magnifiers for people with accessiblity needs. |
| 18:13.31 | clip182 | \\ |
| 18:13.35 | zleap | ok |
| 18:13.41 | zleap | thanks |
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| 18:14.12 | ratrace | zleap: and then you can adjust ~/.config/gtkrc-3.0/settings.ini if you want |
| 18:14.33 | zleap | ok, well the font size is now fixed, which is great |
| 18:16.01 | zleap | it is interesting seeing what come sup when you run stuff from a terminal rather than the meu |
| 18:16.02 | zleap | menu |
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| 18:18.21 | vadique | the same |
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| 18:18.44 | vadique | same "no Ethernet card was detected" with firmware netinst |
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| 18:20.03 | jmcnaught | vadique: if your computer is too new then it is possible the Linux kernel simply doesn't have support for all of its devices. You can however install Debian without networking configured, then figure out the network driver issue after. |
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| 18:23.02 | diogenes_ | vadique, or you can have try the latest ketnel, 5.whatever. |
| 18:23.10 | diogenes_ | kernel* |
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| 18:39.46 | hk239 | hi |
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| 18:48.46 | scarodj_ | Hello! I just got Buster installed in a VirtualBox and configured different user and sudo passwords. My issue/question is that the sudo password won't work in CLI only graphical. I had the opositte problem in Stretch. |
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| 18:49.56 | jmcnaught | scarodj_: sudo uses the user's password, it's not a separate sudo password |
| 18:50.38 | jmcnaught | scarodj_: if you set a root password in the installer, then you would use "su -l" on the CLI instead of sudo. |
| 18:51.46 | scarodj_ | thanks @jncnaught Problem is it would tell me my user is not a sudoer. I'll try the -l option |
| 18:52.23 | brontosaurusrex | or add your user to sudoers list : usermod -a -G sudo user |
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| 18:52.30 | brontosaurusrex | and possibly reboot |
| 18:52.46 | jmcnaught | scarodj_: If you configure sudo then you use the user's password with the sudo command. If you have a root password then you use the root password with "su -l". You can have both configured at the same time. |
| 18:52.56 | jmcnaught | no need to reboot, but you need to log out and log back in |
| 18:53.10 | jmcnaught | also "adduser <username> sudo" is easier to type and remember |
| 18:53.24 | jmcnaught | the sudo package needs to be installed. |
| 18:53.32 | hk239 | hey I'm trying to update stretch to buster, all went well so far, changed sources to buster, did apt update, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
| 18:53.38 | vadique | well, I proceeded without network, and yet Iâm stuck at choosing of mirror |
| 18:53.48 | hk239 | and then doing apt autoremove, it seems to be removing a lot of packages. Might something be going wrong there? |
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| 18:54.21 | jmcnaught | hk239: can you show the output on https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 18:54.44 | jmcnaught | vadique: is there no way to skip or proceed without a mirror? |
| 18:54.48 | hk239 | nope because I think I just lost internet connection in the process |
| 18:55.17 | hk239 | oh well... at worst I'll just have to reinstall completely |
| 18:55.26 | jmcnaught | hk239: you already accepted the autoremoval? |
| 18:55.34 | vadique | looks like nope |
| 18:55.41 | hk239 | yes unfortunately, jmcnaught |
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| 18:55.52 | hk239 | I didn't think it through I guess :D |
| 18:56.09 | jmcnaught | hk239: learned something I guess :) |
| 18:56.17 | hk239 | could also be that I'll just reboot and it works, or that I didn't do it correctly and it's removing something essential |
| 18:56.26 | scarodj_ | Thanks! I'll try it |
| 18:56.31 | vadique | ah there is, triple of go backs |
| 18:57.18 | jmcnaught | hk239: you should not need to reinstall unless something really crazy gets removed, you can probably simply reinstall needed packages. |
| 18:57.29 | vadique | I wonder what would it be after installation |
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| 18:58.27 | hk239 | hope so jmcnaught |
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| 18:58.36 | hk239 | but if it got rid of the internet connection, then that might be a problem :D |
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| 18:59.27 | jmcnaught | hk239: we can probably help you establish a connection here if you want to try. |
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| 18:59.47 | hk239 | let's see if it works |
| 18:59.58 | hk239 | looks like the GUI doesn't work I think that's because of proprietary nvidia drivers though |
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| 19:03.29 | vadique | okay, I have a tty |
| 19:04.14 | vadique | what to do now? how to achieve networking? |
| 19:05.11 | vadique | lspci yet gives rtl8822be |
| 19:05.33 | ratrace | btw my compliments to the chefs and devs.... buster is really one awesome release. |
| 19:07.20 | vadique | any guide how to connect via wifi? |
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| 19:08.12 | jmcnaught | vadique: what is the PCI-id for the card, find it with 'lspci -nn' it looks like [abcd:1234] |
| 19:08.39 | vadique | 10ec:b822 |
| 19:08.55 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 10ec:b822 |
| 19:08.56 | judd | [10ec:b822] is 'RTL8822BE 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WiFi adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:b822 |
| 19:09.45 | jmcnaught | Well that might be out of date for buster. I found an article saying that a driver for rtl8822be was being added for linux 4.14 and buster comes with 4.19. |
| 19:10.39 | vadique | okay, what to do with it? |
| 19:10.43 | jmcnaught | The description of the firmware-realtek package lists this device: https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-realtek |
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| 19:11.39 | jmcnaught | vadique: you can download that package from that page, put it on a USB stick and install it with "dpkg -i firmwre_realtek_2019011401_all.deb" |
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| 19:12.26 | jmcnaught | vadique: hopefully your kernel will pick it up. You can check to see if the kernel is even looking for that missing firmware with "dmesg | grep -i firmware" (as root) |
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| 19:14.10 | vadique | it says r8822be: Using firmware rtlwifi/rtl8822befw.bin |
| 19:14.27 | vadique | without dpkg'ing anything |
| 19:14.36 | jmcnaught | vadique: okay that's good. is anything listed with "ip a"? |
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| 19:15.25 | vadique | lo, wlo1 |
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| 19:15.40 | jmcnaught | wlo1 would be your wireless interface |
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| 19:16.54 | hk239 | hm it seems the internet connection doesn't work |
| 19:17.02 | jmcnaught | vadique: there are instructions here on getting wifi set up from the command line: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 19:17.05 | hk239 | and also the graphical DE is disabled |
| 19:17.27 | hk239 | so I probably have reinstall entirely |
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| 19:17.43 | jmcnaught | vadique: you might need to get some missing packages by searching for them on https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and transferring them by USB stick |
| 19:18.33 | hk239 | hmm this is a problem though because I have some files I'd need to keep |
| 19:18.46 | hk239 | is it possible to install debian without formatting /home directory? |
| 19:19.04 | vadique | ip link set wlo1 up - gives - halmac_init_hal failed |
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| 19:19.40 | pylsan | if he has networkmanager the wpa_supplicant isnt there like on wiki. use nmtui instead |
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| 19:20.28 | jmcnaught | hk239: I would try getting your networking up again instead of reinstalling, try nmtui like pylsan suggested |
| 19:20.45 | hk239 | what's nmtui? That command doesn't seem to be found |
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| 19:21.01 | jmcnaught | vadique: try this maybe? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245897 |
| 19:21.16 | pylsan | its an "ui for network manager" but ok follow the wiki |
| 19:21.23 | jmcnaught | hk239: it's a terminal interface to NetworkManager. How do you normally configure networking. |
| 19:21.28 | jmcnaught | ? |
| 19:21.51 | hk239 | it's possible the autoremove command removed networking related tools? |
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| 19:22.44 | jmcnaught | hk239: it's possible that for example network-manager got removed with autoremove |
| 19:22.53 | hk239 | yeah maybe |
| 19:23.35 | jmcnaught | hk239: do you normally configure your networking in your desktop environment? Is it wireless? |
| 19:23.39 | hk239 | there's a couple of files in home directory I'd like to keep, but other than that doin a reinstall would be fine |
| 19:23.42 | hk239 | it's not wireless |
| 19:23.48 | hk239 | and no I don't, I haven't done that with debian |
| 19:24.09 | hk239 | I have wireless on this computer though |
| 19:24.28 | hk239 | only because I don't have a cable that reaches far enough :D |
| 19:24.34 | jmcnaught | hk239: the standard way that networking is configured in Debian is by the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 19:25.16 | jmcnaught | hk239: this sounds like it could be related to interface name changing https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names |
| 19:25.16 | hk239 | hmm I wonder if there's an installer for buster I could put on an USB stick and do it that way |
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| 19:25.49 | jmcnaught | hk239: if /home is on a separate partition then you can do manual partitioning in the debian-installer and choose not to format it, but you should back up first. |
| 19:26.36 | hk239 | how do I check the size of a folder/subfolder in terminal? |
| 19:26.42 | hk239 | I might be able to copy the contents on an USB |
| 19:26.53 | zleap | jmcnaught: thanks for that, that is helpful i need to do a manual format or non format of partitions |
| 19:27.16 | pylsan | hk239: with du /home/folder |
| 19:27.48 | Tenkawa | more effectively du -smx /full/path/to/tree |
| 19:28.12 | vadique | any chance to get newer kernel maybe? |
| 19:28.25 | jmcnaught | ,kernels |
| 19:28.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); |
| 19:28.26 | hk239 | hmm it says 362 with -smx enabled |
| 19:28.27 | judd | wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 19:28.32 | vadique | to get uplinked |
| 19:28.34 | brontosaurusrex | du -hca --max-depth=1 "path" | sort -h |
| 19:28.39 | Tenkawa | that gives you in megabytes not crossing filesystems and shortening info |
| 19:28.43 | hk239 | is that megabytes? it seems weird.. without the -smx it lists several files with stuff |
| 19:29.14 | hk239 | okay I probably don't even know how to use an USB stick in the terminal :P so this might be difficult |
| 19:29.15 | Tenkawa | brontosaurusrex: thats way overly complicated than it has to be |
| 19:29.35 | hk239 | why max-depth=1? |
| 19:29.38 | Tenkawa | for someone new |
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| 19:29.40 | hk239 | I mean there are subfolders and such |
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| 19:29.55 | hk239 | just trying to find out if it fits on the stick, so I can copy them there |
| 19:30.03 | hk239 | and then put the installer on the other stick and reinstall |
| 19:30.35 | hk239 | that's probably the sanest path forward given I don't know how to use terminal & do stuffm anually in debian, since usually debian has just worked out of the box so to speak |
| 19:30.52 | Tenkawa | hk239: a good example to find out how much yours is taking |
| 19:31.05 | Tenkawa | hk239: du -smx /home/hk329 |
| 19:31.09 | brontosaurusrex | hk239: I think it has to do with sorting, i forgot (thats my old alias). |
| 19:31.10 | Tenkawa | er 239 |
| 19:31.23 | hk239 | okay |
| 19:31.28 | hk239 | it's not the entire home directory I need to keep |
| 19:31.37 | hk239 | there's just a blender subfolder I have some stuff in |
| 19:31.43 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 19:31.43 | sedrosken | okay, so I have but one issue now -- on resume from suspend, my display freaks out and is pretty much completely corrupted, I end up having to reboot because of it |
| 19:31.45 | jmcnaught | hk239: why don't you run "ip a" and see what your network interface is named, then edit /etc/network/interfaces with nano to make the requried change? |
| 19:31.49 | hk239 | it seems to be 362megabytes so it's not a problem |
| 19:31.49 | Tenkawa | go to blender |
| 19:31.55 | Tenkawa | and do |
| 19:31.58 | sedrosken | driver is amdgpu, GPU is an integrated HD8330 |
| 19:31.59 | Tenkawa | du -smx . |
| 19:32.01 | hk239 | jmcnaught, because I don't know what that means? :D |
| 19:32.23 | Tenkawa | . means current directory |
| 19:32.32 | hk239 | it says 2: is enp2s0 that's probably the interface name |
| 19:32.40 | sedrosken | I suppose I ought to give radeon another look and see if that doesn't do it -- since this isn't a gaming machine anyway I highly doubt I'll even notice the difference |
| 19:32.42 | hk239 | okay so hmm then edit interfaces okay I'lll try that |
| 19:32.52 | jmcnaught | sedrosken: are you missing a required firmware? 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' (as root) |
| 19:33.06 | hk239 | there doesn't seem to be anything in interfaces |
| 19:33.12 | hk239 | just 'auto lo' |
| 19:33.24 | Tenkawa | jmcnaught: probable on network manager |
| 19:33.29 | jmcnaught | hk239: is your networking DHCP over ethernet? |
| 19:33.41 | hk239 | I don't know what that means :D |
| 19:33.46 | sedrosken | no? I fetched the firmware-amd-graphics package and regenerated my initramfs, that's how I got graphical anything to work otherwise I was stuck with the efifb driver |
| 19:33.47 | Tenkawa | er probably |
| 19:34.09 | sedrosken | and it's completely fine in operation, aside from suspend/resumt |
| 19:34.12 | sedrosken | resume* |
| 19:34.44 | hk239 | I have a cable connection, and the modem has also a wifi network. This computer is using wifi, and the 2nd was connected via cable. And it was working just fine, until I did that attempted upgrade to buster, and then autoremoved stuff which was probably the main mistake |
| 19:34.44 | sedrosken | and that makes it rather... problematic considering it's a laptop and it kind of has to be able to properly go into and come out of suspend |
| 19:35.20 | sedrosken | to be fair it's not just a debian issue, I can reproduce this on any other distro using amdgpu, it just hadn't occured to me yet to see if radeon does it or not |
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| 19:35.37 | Tenkawa | amdgpu has been a bit iffy on my boxes too |
| 19:35.41 | sedrosken | so I'm gonna go do that and report back |
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| 19:36.29 | sedrosken | i suppose i kind of asked for this one considering I specifically enabled amdgpu's SI and CIK support by the kernel commandline and blacklisted radeon, when i let it pick for itself it chose radeon |
| 19:37.04 | vadique | http://imgur.com/sfgt7IP |
| 19:37.22 | pylsan | hk239: try "ip link show" |
| 19:37.34 | vadique | at first kernel says "using", then it says "failed" |
| 19:37.39 | hk239 | 1 says lo, 2 says enp2s0 |
| 19:37.59 | pylsan | dmesg | grep enp2s0 |
| 19:38.05 | sedrosken | and, since it's an anemic mobile chip and I'm not exactly using it for games anyway, maybe I ought to just stick to radeon |
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| 19:38.21 | hk239 | it says grep command not found |
| 19:38.31 | ubuntutr | hi |
| 19:38.32 | ubuntutr | https://onlineltc.io/85997 |
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| 19:39.12 | jmcnaught | sedrosken: worth a try at least |
| 19:39.36 | sedrosken | jury's still out, I'll suspend it and see if it comes back up without wigging out on me again |
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| 19:39.42 | ubuntutr | to earn litecoin your wallet is enough... https://onlineltc.io/85997 |
| 19:39.57 | Tenkawa | ban time |
| 19:40.02 | ubuntutr | no |
| 19:40.19 | sedrosken | haha yes |
| 19:40.22 | ubuntutr | :s |
| 19:40.33 | jmcnaught | !ops ubuntutr spamming litecoin thing |
| 19:40.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: jmcnaught complains about a problem (see above) |
| 19:40.41 | pylsan | hk239: oh its supose to be there. You can look trough the text to see if you find your network adapter and if the kernel fails to load something |
| 19:40.45 | ubuntutr | i have to make money |
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| 19:41.01 | pylsan | hk239: with only using dmesg then |
| 19:41.07 | sedrosken | success! radeon Just Works(TM) |
| 19:41.24 | sedrosken | as long as it still lets me do hardware video decoding that's all I care about |
| 19:41.41 | jmcnaught | hk239: you could try "dhclient enp2s0" and see if that gives you an IP address |
| 19:41.49 | vadique | the most interesting part is that these notebooks are sold with freedos and some kind of gnu/linux |
| 19:42.08 | hk239 | :Dit says dhclient command not found |
| 19:42.25 | Tenkawa | hk239: try /sbin/dhclient |
| 19:42.51 | hk239 | wel that did something |
| 19:43.25 | jmcnaught | hk239: before you continue, did you become root with the "su" command? |
| 19:43.32 | Tenkawa | ooooh |
| 19:43.33 | hk239 | I just sudo |
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| 19:43.50 | Tenkawa | he many not have used sudo su - or su - |
| 19:43.59 | Tenkawa | note the "-" |
| 19:44.01 | hk239 | hey that got internet connection working |
| 19:44.13 | hk239 | okay that's great.. now I probably need to install stuff |
| 19:44.26 | jmcnaught | hk239: which desktop environment were you using before? |
| 19:44.31 | hk239 | mate |
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| 19:44.55 | Tenkawa | hk239: xool.. good luck |
| 19:45.00 | Tenkawa | er cool |
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| 19:45.04 | hk239 | what? :D |
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| 19:45.21 | Tenkawa | I might not be here much longer |
| 19:45.26 | hk239 | oh okay |
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| 19:45.42 | hk239 | is there like some standard packages I could install, maybe some readme file somewhere I could follow |
| 19:45.44 | Tenkawa | just good thing you are making progress |
| 19:45.51 | Tenkawa | cheers all |
| 19:45.56 | hk239 | oh yeah internet connection working means I can install packages so |
| 19:46.01 | hk239 | probably just need to install the right packages |
| 19:46.21 | hk239 | I'm installing mate package |
| 19:46.49 | hk239 | thanks for the help by the way |
| 19:46.55 | ubuntutr | one person did not register :( |
| 19:47.19 | hk239 | "oh must have been me." |
| 19:47.27 | hk239 | :D |
| 19:47.40 | jmcnaught | hk239: I would install the task-mate-desktop package to start |
| 19:47.50 | hk239 | okay |
| 19:48.09 | hk239 | it's still installing the 'mate' thing though |
| 19:48.26 | jmcnaught | hk239: and I would probably also install aptitude, then run "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" |
| 19:48.38 | hk239 | okay thanks |
| 19:48.45 | hk239 | with the curl ~ ? |
| 19:48.54 | hk239 | and not - |
| 19:49.02 | jmcnaught | hk239: yeah those are tildes ~ not dashes - |
| 19:49.22 | hk239 | I feel kind of helpless and inept :D |
| 19:49.35 | jmcnaught | hk239: you're doing fine |
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| 19:49.58 | ubuntutr | https://onlineltc.io/#plans |
| 19:50.04 | hk239 | yeah I mean, like doing this stuff in terminal with debian is outside my skillset completely |
| 19:50.14 | hk239 | but otherwise I can manage |
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| 19:50.40 | sedrosken | ubuntutr!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 19:51.02 | sedrosken | yeek didn't mean to dump that in the chat |
| 19:51.34 | hk239 | it was a good reminder : ) |
| 19:52.20 | jmcnaught | hk239: Debian packages have priorities, most packages are optional. That 'aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant' command installs all the packages of the standard, required, and important priorities. |
| 19:52.43 | hk239 | okay |
| 19:52.50 | hk239 | by the way |
| 19:53.37 | hk239 | I was making this user modification for a game called UFOai, and I included countries into the geoscape like United States, and so on.. And wanted to use the actual flags for them. So I discovered that GIMP image scaling algorithm is flawed, and went on to #gimp to figure out how to fix the scaling problem |
| 19:54.09 | hk239 | and then found out that the scaling algos have been updated for the newer version of gimp, and that my version of debian still had the old version of gimp |
| 19:54.18 | hk239 | so I ended up trying to do the upgrade for buster |
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| 19:54.42 | hk239 | basically I tried scaling a flag from wikipedia to 22x14 pixel size, and ended up breaking the OS along the way. :D |
| 19:54.59 | hk239 | it's just kind of ironic or something |
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| 19:55.54 | hk239 | so I have some working folders with models I've made with blender and such that I wouldn't have wanted to lose, so it's pretty nice if this works, thanks again |
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| 19:56.53 | hk239 | that is the old gimp algo caused distortions for images scaled to low pixel resolution, and the flags looked weird. So they worked but they just had a minior graphical imperfection. :D |
| 19:56.54 | Freneticks | Hi is there a manual for the migration of iptables to buster ? bash: iptables: command not found |
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| 19:57.15 | hk239 | Sounds like someone is dealing with similar issues :o |
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| 19:58.21 | hk239 | jmcnaught, hmm it says package not found when i try to do the tilde things |
| 19:58.37 | jmcnaught | hk239: you need to use aptitude for that command to work |
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| 19:58.54 | jmcnaught | Freneticks: just a guess, but did you use "su" instead of "su -l"? |
| 19:58.57 | hk239 | it says aptitude not found probably also located in some folder? |
| 19:59.11 | pylsan | Freneticks: replaced buy nftables , thanks for reminding me to check it out |
| 19:59.22 | hk239 | no wait I have to install aptitude package first.. I forgot |
| 20:00.08 | Freneticks | jmcnaught: yes you found the issue, so now they use weird env to redirect to iptables... |
| 20:00.13 | hk239 | okay so I think it worked, maybe |
| 20:00.40 | Freneticks | netfilter team said that nftable is not ready |
| 20:00.47 | pylsan | iptables still in the repo had some problem using saving config on systemd, worked fine on sysv |
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| 20:02.00 | jmcnaught | Freneticks: /sbin is not in normal user's $PATH, and 'su' alone no longer changes $PATH, you need to specify a login shell with "su -l" to get root's $PATH that includes /sbin |
| 20:02.52 | hk239 | hey it works now, thanks again jmcnaught |
| 20:03.07 | Freneticks | why they choose sbin for iptables ? |
| 20:03.26 | somiaj | becasuse normal users can't modify the tables |
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| 20:31.49 | bionade24 | Do my images remain when I remove docker-engine to install docker.io? |
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| 20:34.18 | Ede|Popede | did buster really move all binaries into /usr? |
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| 20:35.26 | jmcnaught | bionade24: is docker-engine the upstream package? https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/ says that the contents of /var/lib/docker are preserved but you could ask in #docker to be sure |
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| 20:36.31 | vsayikiran | hi Im running new debian buster recently installed. I am trying to set up user specific locale but does not work. I have two user accounts User1 and User2. I wish to setup locale L1 and L2 respectively. Somebody help me how to do this. |
| 20:36.38 | vlt | Ede|Popede: I have several buster installations and all of them have binaries in /sbin and /bin. |
| 20:37.04 | vsayikiran | brb |
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| 20:37.56 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#merged-usr |
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| 20:38.10 | Ede|Popede | vlt: thanks, good to hear. i may put /usr on its own partition again, even if only for tradition |
| 20:38.58 | Ede|Popede | jmcnaught: so such a layout wouldn't be possible anymore? |
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| 20:39.41 | Ede|Popede | gah. waiting for fdo's httpd |
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| 20:41.00 | jmcnaught | Ede|Popede: separate /usr is not possible at least with systemd |
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| 20:41.46 | jmcnaught | https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/ |
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| 20:42.19 | Ede|Popede | wouldn't this bream system in networks which import /usr? and also, /usr can become really big especially with local, doc and src |
| 20:42.26 | Ede|Popede | ah, reading |
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| 20:45.07 | vsayikiran1 | hi i am back....I posted a question regarding how to set different locales for different users. I followed all the wikis in internet but of no profit......I have 2 users User1 and User2, i wish to set up locale1 and locale2 receptively. |
| 20:45.41 | bionade24 | jmcnaught: Thanks, docker-egine is the deprecated package of Docker Inc., nowadays it's docker-ce. |
| 20:45.42 | vsayikiran1 | Debian version is buster.....I have installed locales using dpkg -reconfigure locales |
| 20:46.48 | jhutchins | Ede|Popede: The reason for having /usr/bin separate was that disks were small and expensive, so only essential programs went in /bin, ordinary programs in /usr/bin |
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| 20:47.06 | vsayikiran1 | and verified the locales are enabled using locale -a.....in /etc/locale.gen...and output of locale command.....I have set export LANG=<locale value> in .bashrc, .profile and .dmrc |
| 20:47.17 | jhutchins | Ede|Popede: They were also a bit unreliable, and /usr might not mount, or might mount later in the boot process. |
| 20:47.51 | vsayikiran1 | but nothing works....local files are not overriding /etc/default/locale file...which i wish to |
| 20:48.56 | Ede|Popede | jhutchins: i know... i still like to keep my / as small as possible, not possible anymore with all the /usr in it. or i'd have to partition even more than in the past or remount directories into /usr. and i'm not sure if i can even do this in the partitioning phase of the installation |
| 20:49.08 | vsayikiran1 | please someone help me....can pm me.....whenever i am available i will reply back with logs |
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| 20:50.06 | Ede|Popede | vsayikiran1: login as user1, set the locales for this user. if everything is fine, login as user2 and repeat the steps, just with the other locale |
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| 20:51.11 | vsayikiran1 | Hi Ede I did but locale value is always taken from /etc/default/locale file........locale value in .bashrc, .profile and .dmrc is unable to override value in /etc/default/locale file |
| 20:51.52 | rant | one problem is locales are a mess, another problem is, you're making assumptions and stating them as facts |
| 20:51.58 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.28 | vsayikiran1 | rant: not really assumptions.....I have values set in files but output is not as expected |
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| 20:52.48 | rant | you're assuming something is reading /etc/default/ and its not |
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| 20:53.15 | rant | and you're also assuming changing vars will change the locale |
| 20:53.50 | vsayikiran1 | rant: when I set locale value in local user account files and commenting all lines in /etc/default/locale......still locale value are not set in that account |
| 20:54.03 | jhutchins | Ede|Popede: You should read the freedesktop link above. |
| 20:54.03 | petn-randall | humpled: Can you rephrase your question? What login are you referring to? |
| 20:54.15 | hk239 | hmm after upgrading to buster, there's a problem with an old software I'm trying to use (err, ufoai), it's trying to find libutils-2.28-system.so but can't find it, it seems the 'binutils' package is updated and has a newer version, any idea how to deal with this issue? |
| 20:54.58 | hk239 | tried googling but so far didn't find anything useful |
| 20:55.00 | jhutchins | Ede|Popede: For most general-purpose users, intense partitioning does not provide any actual functionality. / and swap are all they need. |
| 20:55.00 | humpled | when vsayikiran1 was talking about a login, i wondered if they meant a tty or a desktop manager or ssh or what |
| 20:55.05 | vsayikiran1 | rant: when I uncommented LANG="en_IN.utf8" in /etc/default/locale file.....i log in any user account in my buster debian pc......everywhere i see only english language |
| 20:55.20 | vsayikiran1 | humpled: it is mate running on lightdm |
| 20:55.29 | humpled | ok |
| 20:55.30 | vsayikiran1 | debian version is buster |
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| 21:00.06 | vsayikiran1 | vsayikiran@ardra:~$ env | grep -i lang |
| 21:00.06 | vsayikiran1 | GDM_LANG=en_IN.utf8 |
| 21:00.06 | vsayikiran1 | LANG=hi_IN.UTF8 |
| 21:00.06 | vsayikiran1 | vsayikiran@ardra:~$ grep -v ^# /etc/locale.gen |
| 21:00.06 | vsayikiran1 | en_IN UTF-8 |
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| 21:03.31 | jelangkung | hi,why debian 10's resource usage is very high compared to debian 9? for example goldendict uses 100% of cpu |
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| 21:08.05 | Enissay | Hi, I am about to use this to ensure my weechat is still running "7 */12 * * * if ! screen -list | grep -q "^weechat$"; then screen -dmS weechat weechat-curses; fi", however, since I have many similar rules and to avoid typos, could someone help putting the name of the screen in a var then use it to do the grep test as well as assign the screen name. |
| 21:08.40 | Enissay | in this case the screen name is "weechat" |
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| 21:08.55 | rant | jelangkung: mkdir ~/testgdict; HOME=~/testgdict goldendict |
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| 21:10.08 | rant | Enissay: that seems a bit ridiculous |
| 21:10.24 | Enissay | Im listening |
| 21:10.52 | rant | Enissay: if you start screen and a program like an irc client inside, its going to stay running.. no need to check on a time based schedule |
| 21:11.13 | Enissay | Issue is that some of my screens do stop all the sudden then I have to restart them manually |
| 21:11.16 | rant | idk what you got going on that would cause it to stop but something tells me its not time.. and if it is, you got bigger problems |
| 21:11.38 | Enissay | I admit this never happened with weechat, but I have some personal script who do |
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| 21:12.07 | rant | for most people a one-shot startup script for such is enough |
| 21:12.19 | Enissay | Maybe it's just a dirty fix until we figure out what's the root cause :-/ |
| 21:12.28 | rant | for ridiculous scenarios something like an inotify or such might be in order |
| 21:12.43 | rant | but in any case if the thing is stopping a lot, you need to get to the root of it |
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| 21:13.45 | Enissay | Sure, it's on the list... Still, I need your support for my request if you don't mind ^_^" |
| 21:15.26 | rant | no, because you proposed an x y problem not a valid question worth anyone wasting brain cells on |
| 21:15.53 | rant | if you want to know how to read an env var from a cronjob, then just say that |
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| 21:17.15 | rant | and afaik its absolutely no different than any other script. which is what you should be doing.. writing a damn script not putting a bash scrip inline in a damn cronttab |
| 21:17.37 | Enissay | no brain cell will be needed for simply extracting a variable here and use it in two different spots. I'm not constantly using bash hence the difficulty for me... |
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| 21:17.44 | _Vi | Why "gcc -m32 hello.c -o hello" started giving `/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/8/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc` after upgrade to buster? |
| 21:17.46 | Enissay | lol, I see your point |
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| 21:20.27 | rant | _Vi: because you're telling the compiler to compile a 32bit on a 64bit without multiarch capabilities I would assume |
| 21:20.43 | rant | _Vi: sudo apt-get install gcc-multilib g++-multilib |
| 21:21.47 | _Vi | rant, Trying... |
| 21:21.57 | rant | it searched the paths and it found stuff incompatible with what you told it to do |
| 21:22.29 | rant | ,i gcc-multilib |
| 21:22.30 | judd | Package gcc-multilib (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: GNU C compiler (multilib files). Version: 4:8.3.0-1; Size: 1.4k; Installed: 8k |
| 21:24.08 | _Vi | rant, Seems to be working. Thanks. |
| 21:25.18 | rant | no worries, I avoid C* programming at all costs but that one was rather elementary :P |
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| 21:32.11 | noob23 | Howdy! Just had my computer fixed but I still need to reinstall some drivers I think; when I turn on the computer it says I'm missing some wireless and bluetooth drivers. I am able to connect to WiFi but it seems tempermental you could say. Some googling has revealed a git of what I think are the right drivers found here: https://git.kernel.org/pub |
| 21:32.11 | noob23 | /scm/linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/linux-firmware.git and for more information on the computer I'm using, check here: https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/solutions/linux-20asz03hus, but note that some of my specs are refurbished, e.g. bigger HDD. Also seems my camera isn't working anymore either. I am currently connected through Ethernet which is working g |
| 21:32.12 | noob23 | reat but I can't use that for all my interneting |
| 21:32.57 | noob23 | Can share a pastebin of some grep'd lspci printout if need be |
| 21:34.29 | dvs | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:34.31 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; bullseye/non-free: 20190114-1; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1 |
| 21:34.39 | dvs | what's wrong with that? |
| 21:36.52 | jelangkung | rant: thx. solved by disabling full-text search. |
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| 21:37.53 | noob23 | I'm sorry I don't totally get what your comments mean dvs and judd |
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| 21:38.33 | noob23 | should I add to my repos? |
| 21:38.36 | rant | jelangkung: yes well when something like that happens its usually some local config issue.. and its far more common to occur on an upgrade where old settings might be an issue with new software |
| 21:38.39 | dvs | yes |
| 21:39.01 | rant | noob23: judd is a bot |
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| 21:39.26 | rant | noob23: and the point is, that we have firmware available so why are you playing around with mfg websites and upstream git repositories |
| 21:40.11 | noob23 | well, for starters I'm clueless, so okay I'll try the existing repositories named above? |
| 21:40.30 | dvs | noob23, just add "contrib non-free" to the end of the deb line |
| 21:40.52 | noob23 | and then run a line about upgrading/updating? |
| 21:41.04 | petn-randall | ... and then run `apt update` to update the package list, and then `apt install firmware-iwlwifi` to install the firmware. |
| 21:41.17 | dvs | noob23, sudo apt update; sudo apt install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:46.34 | noob23 | Sorry, all my repositories seem to be checking the non-free, contrib, and non-main |
| 21:46.54 | noob23 | when I tried to install it said I already had the latest version of the firmware |
| 21:48.12 | Tenkawa | whats up? I just got here |
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| 21:50.37 | noob23 | having trouble getting my wireless, bluetooth, and camera firmware to work |
| 21:50.46 | noob23 | I seem to be able to connect to the internet |
| 21:51.00 | noob23 | but when I turn on the computer it says I'm missing a bunch of iwlwifi stuff |
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| 21:51.58 | petn-randall | noob23: Can you share the exact error message you're seeing on https://paste.debian.net? |
| 21:52.38 | noob23 | it's when the computer starts up so I wouldn't be able to copy it as far as I know |
| 21:53.40 | petn-randall | noob23: Any messages should be logged to /var/log/kern.log, or viewable by `journalctl`. |
| 21:53.46 | Tenkawa | you said you seem to be able to connect to the internet so why not? |
| 21:54.05 | Tenkawa | just use links/lynx |
| 21:54.28 | noob23 | huh? the text only browser? |
| 21:54.33 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 21:54.47 | Tenkawa | type it out from dmesg |
| 21:54.58 | petn-randall | Tenkawa: If you don't understand what problems users have, it might be best if you wait until you understand the issue before answering. |
| 21:55.10 | petn-randall | That way we avoid them explaining their issue over and over. |
| 21:55.39 | Tenkawa | petn-randall: fine I'll stop trying to help. |
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| 21:58.59 | noob23 | Here is my print out of dmesg if that helps at all |
| 21:59.00 | noob23 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/21657bc6/ |
| 21:59.05 | noob23 | sorry for being so useless |
| 21:59.59 | petn-randall | noob23: I seems as though you don't have intel wifi, but realtek wifi. |
| 22:00.28 | petn-randall | noob23: If you install "firmware-linux-nonfree", it should pull in all th firmware you need. |
| 22:00.28 | noob23 | Okay, cool |
| 22:01.28 | petn-randall | noob23: Try restarting after that, and let us know if the wifi issue is resolved. |
| 22:01.49 | noob23 | will do! |
| 22:02.03 | noob23 | what about the possible dataleak? |
| 22:02.53 | petn-randall | Which data leak? |
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| 22:05.29 | noob23 | the dmesg printout said something about a dataleak |
| 22:07.01 | noob23 | anyhow, no matter, I'll restart and get back to you |
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| 22:08.10 | petn-randall | noob23: That's a CPU bug that needs to get fixed in the microcode. |
| 22:08.27 | noob23 | no easy fix for that, huh |
| 22:08.56 | dvs | ,v intel-microcode |
| 22:08.58 | judd | Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 3.20180425.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20180807a.2~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20190312.1~bpo9+1; jessie-security/non-free: 3.20190618.1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 3.20190618.1~deb9u1; stretch-security/non-free: 3.20190618.1~deb9u1; bullseye/non-free: 3.20190618.1; buster/non-free: 3.20190618.1; sid/non- |
| 22:08.59 | judd | free: 3.20190618.1 |
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| 22:09.13 | petn-randall | noob23: You can install intel-microcode, or amd64-microcode, and the kernel should make use of the new CPU instructions to fix it. |
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| 22:15.19 | noob23 | I am still getting similar messages but they seem to be just about bluetooth |
| 22:16.06 | noob23 | camera is still not recognized but I think I'll be okay for now, thanks for your help |
| 22:17.33 | dvs | yay |
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| 22:19.49 | Lyberta | there are mentions that "su" has changed in buster and recommends ALWAYS_SET_PATH in /etc/login.defs but that leads to warning when logging in: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905564 can I put it in /etc/default/su instead? maybe update documentation? |
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| 22:37.58 | jmcnaught | Lyberta: I recommend simply using 'su -l' instead of 'su' without arguments. With a login shell you will get root's $PATH with /sbin and /usr/sbin |
| 22:38.22 | Lyberta | jmcnaught, but will this change current directory? |
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| 22:38.53 | jmcnaught | Lyberta: yes |
| 22:38.59 | Lyberta | jmcnaught, :( |
| 22:39.24 | rwp | If su'ing to root it's a good idea to change directory and get out of the non-root directory. Otherwise other things have a tendency to leave root owned files behind. |
| 22:39.47 | jmcnaught | Debian before buster used su from login, but in buster has switched to the su from util-linux |
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| 22:40.16 | rwp | And for staying in the old directory don't forget that sudo also has good utility too. |
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| 22:42.10 | Lyberta | rwp, but can I require sudo to use root password? |
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| 22:56.02 | karlpinc | Lyberta: No. If you want to use the root password use "su -l" to become root (or add arguments to execute a command as root),. |
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| 22:57.21 | Lyberta | karlpinc, so if I want to keep current directory but become root via a root password I need to just use "su" with ALWAYS_SET_PATH, right? |
| 22:59.41 | karlpinc | Lyberta: I don't know about ALWAYS_SET_PATH. What are you really trying to do? You wind up with a strange system that only you can admin if you start frobbing stuff like that. |
| 23:00.27 | Lyberta | karlpinc, I guess I just new "open root terminal here" right click option in file manager... |
| 23:00.31 | Lyberta | need* |
| 23:01.08 | Lyberta | right now I use "open terminal here" and then type "su" |
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| 23:02.37 | karlpinc | Lyberta: I always open a regular terminal and "su -l" when I need to be root. Then, I'm logged in as root, in root's home directory etc., etc. And I can do things as root, things which generally should not be done in "regular" directories that are user accessable. |
| 23:03.14 | karlpinc | Lyberta: Or, I use the UPG idiom and put my user in a group so that it has permissions it needs to do things like maintain website documents, etc. |
| 23:03.28 | Lyberta | karlpinc, I have typing, so i prefer to open directory via mouse and then I need root terminal there |
| 23:04.15 | karlpinc | Lyberta: Do you know about tab completion? |
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| 23:04.39 | Lyberta | karlpinc, yes |
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| 23:05.51 | karlpinc | Lyberta: If I were you I'd write a script that does what I want and stick it in a menu entry. I stay away from the GUI mostly. It's too slow. |
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| 23:07.02 | karlpinc | Lyberta: Feel free to modify login.defs and see what happens. |
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| 23:07.16 | Lyberta | karlpinc, and for me mouse in the fastest way, like, I don't need to look at keyboard and move my hands to type |
| 23:07.37 | karlpinc | Lyberta: You may need to log out and back in again, dunno. |
| 23:08.28 | karlpinc | Lyberta: Reaching back and forth from the mouse to the keyboard is too slow. You're going to have to type stuff, so keeping your fingers on the keyboard is fastest. |
| 23:08.50 | karlpinc | Lyberta: Of course if you can't type, that's different. It's worth learning, unless you've a disability. |
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| 23:10.13 | Lyberta | karlpinc, for me it's mostly web browser and gaming and for gaming I use arrow keys so switching to qwerty part of keyboard is slow |
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| 23:16.18 | test_ | hello everyone |
| 23:16.39 | test_ | I am testing debian 10 buster and de openbox |
| 23:16.52 | test_ | do anyone use it |
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| 23:17.07 | test_ | and advice about that |
| 23:17.08 | epony | I use cwm on OpenBSD. |
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| 23:19.58 | epony | (I can recommend this migration path from desktop to window managers: openbox - fluxbox - dwm - cwm) |
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| 23:22.33 | epony | I think cwm is available on Linux too (deian, fedora, ubuntu, slack) and BSD (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD). |
| 23:23.31 | epony | ah, and Arch Linux too |
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| 23:32.40 | annadane | test left but in case anyone else wants openbox tips, obmenu, lxhotkey and tint2 are good packages and you can copy /etc/xdg/openbox to .config/openbox for your user |
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| 23:34.56 | annadane | lxhotkey is unfortunately still buggy in buster :/ but it's an option |
| 23:36.18 | annadane | i actually should file a bug report for the point release |
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| 23:38.36 | annadane | yes you can edit rc.xml manually but i got impatient trying to figure out the syntax |
| 23:39.38 | annadane | (it's not hard, i'm just stupid, don't let that put you off...) |
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| 23:46.44 | zophyx | neo can escape the subway |
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| 23:51.26 | epony | unless the stars are in XML |
| 23:52.07 | zophyx | i remember 9/11, Tenchi started database work for Sun in the twin towers, i never heard from him ever again |
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| 23:54.50 | epony | I was at work that day, watched it on TV live as it was happening, felt both very sad and disheartened.. couldn't believe it was possible this could happen. |
| 23:55.39 | epony | but what does it have to do with OpenBox configuration? |
| 23:55.45 | magic_ninja_work | I was in 10th grade algebra class. I remember watching in awe. My teach was crying. |
| 23:56.15 | magic_ninja_work | OpenBox configuration holds the keys to defeating ISIS |
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