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| 00:04.06 | sleepingforest | for someone with maybe 5 hours a week free, is it hard to be a contributor to debian? (i.e. helping with bugs and ensuring packages are updated) |
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| 00:29.52 | cybercrypto | sleepingforest: are you willing to contribute? |
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| 00:31.15 | cybercrypto | sleepingforest: if so, please take a look at this page and you will find details about it. https://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 00:32.24 | ohnx | i am trying to install LXDE in a chroot but seem to be running into an error as described here: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a6283d27/ (sorry the 2nd line is cut off for some reason) |
| 00:32.58 | ohnx | i set up the chroot with debian buster using `deboostrap buster mychroot` and entered it using `chroot mychroot` |
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| 00:35.31 | GenTooMan | jmcnaught I read it is GTK2 (I did look) I did not think to look in the tracker for the package. Duh. So it was removed due to lack of someone to update it. |
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| 00:41.25 | GenTooMan | jmcnaught by the way thanks for letting me know I appreciate that. |
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| 00:42.04 | jmcnaught | GenTooMan: you're welcome |
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| 00:42.54 | jmcnaught | ohnx: I don't know what you're trying to do but if the chroot accessing the host's dbus you could bind mount the directly /run/dbus into the chroot directory |
| 00:43.30 | jmcnaught | I mean, if you don't mind the chroot accessing the system dbus |
| 00:43.31 | ohnx | jmcnaught: i want to test out a desktop environment |
| 00:43.34 | ohnx | i don't mind |
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| 00:43.40 | ohnx | i just don't want my filesystem getting polluted |
| 00:44.06 | jmcnaught | what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:44.19 | jmcnaught | use xephyr or xpra or something? |
| 00:45.00 | jmcnaught | I think it would be easier to do test a desktop environment in a virtual machine if your computer supports it. |
| 00:45.21 | BazookaTooth | ohnx: you could just grab a debian vm from osboxes.org and try it there |
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| 00:46.45 | ohnx | i want to be able to use my gpu in the chroot |
| 00:46.57 | ohnx | and i can't for the life of me figure out gpu passthrough to vm's |
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| 00:52.32 | jmcnaught | ohnx: qemu KVM/virt-manager picked up support for 3D accelleration in VMs without passthrough, it's called virgl https://virgil3d.github.io/ |
| 00:53.23 | ohnx | oh cool |
| 00:53.36 | ohnx | i'll look into that maybe |
| 00:53.40 | jmcnaught | I got it working in virt-manager with a buster host and buster guest, the guest had GL acceleration enough at least for a compositor, I didn't try games |
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| 00:54.48 | jmcnaught | ohnx: I have GPU passthrough set up with virt-manager as well, if you ever want to troubleshoot that you can ping me in this channel |
| 00:54.57 | ohnx | the thing is, i don't have a desktop environment running on the host |
| 00:56.02 | jmcnaught | virt-manager can run on a separate computer from the libvirtd it is managing |
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| 01:40.58 | GenTooMan | any suggestions how to install eclipse in debian? I know they use JDK 8 (because I installed it in stretch). They talk about 9 but nothing about 11 which is in buster. Thoughts suggestions (point and laugh works too)? |
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| 01:42.55 | dvs | ,v eclipse |
| 01:42.56 | judd | Package: eclipse on amd64 -- jessie: 3.8.1-7; stretch: 3.8.1-10 |
| 01:43.09 | dvs | none in buster?!? |
| 01:43.16 | GenTooMan | no it was removed. |
| 01:43.30 | GenTooMan | eclipse is version 4.8 now? I think. |
| 01:44.18 | GenTooMan | no one to maintain it (because it uses JDK 8 and buster has 11) |
| 01:46.51 | GenTooMan | well I'm trying to install in any case ... |
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| 01:48.08 | jmcnaught | GenTooMan: see if you can get it to work with openjdk-11, but if that doesn't work you could add stretch repos to your sources.list and install openjdk-8 from there. |
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| 01:48.41 | jmcnaught | GenTooMan: then you would probably need to configure which openjdk provides java (and maybe some others) with update-alternatives --configure java |
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| 01:51.27 | GenTooMan | jmcnaught it appears to work with openjdk-11 and recognizes it. I think Eclipse org needs to update their install notes. |
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| 01:54.22 | GenTooMan | I don't see how one can install eclipse through the package manager however. It has it's own installer that handles things kind of like autoconfig does. |
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| 02:12.30 | friendlyGoat | this seems like it'd be something simple but i need a little help with 9.9. i cant make my ip static for some reason, and when it is static its not the ip i want it to be and im not sure why. how would i go about making my IP static in a way that makes sense and works? |
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| 02:15.38 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: how are you configuring networking? With /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 02:26.25 | friendlyGoat | jmcnaught: yes i've been using that. |
| 02:27.24 | friendlyGoat | https://pastebin.com/FYv5pGDq |
| 02:27.29 | friendlyGoat | made a pastebin of mine for you |
| 02:27.57 | met | 'inet status' -> 'inet static' |
| 02:28.16 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: ^ |
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| 02:32.10 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: you probably also want to switch allow-hotplug to auto (if you want this interface brought up automatically at boot) |
| 02:32.28 | dvs | allow-hotplugs doesn't? |
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| 02:36.18 | jmcnaught | allow-hotplug usually will but what it means is "bring it up when udev detects it". If you have services that depend on networking being up need it to be auto so that ifup makes sure it is up, while allow-hotplug technically means it's okay to proceed without it |
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| 02:40.11 | alexandros_tab | go night, I am trying to install rtl8812au driver for my usb wifi dongle, but it fails in the install because LINUX_VERSION_CODE is not set. How can I fix it or is there a work around? |
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| 02:42.27 | n0a110w | anyone had success installing spotify on buster? |
| 02:42.33 | jmcnaught | alexandros_tab: how are you installing the driver, compiling from source? Did you check to see if you just need a firmware package to get the dongle to work? |
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| 02:43.28 | friendlyGoat | made the changes you mentioned, anything else? |
| 02:43.54 | awal1 | dpkg: spotify |
| 02:43.54 | dpkg | awal1: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:43.57 | alexandros_tab | jmcnaught: do you know the name of the firmware package, I did not find any, might of overlook |
| 02:44.16 | alexandros_tab | btw, I am using dkms method |
| 02:44.34 | jmcnaught | alexandros_tab: there's a firmware-realtek package in non-free |
| 02:44.42 | jmcnaught | !non-free |
| 02:44.43 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 02:44.57 | alexandros_tab | ok thanks will check |
| 02:46.12 | jmcnaught | n0a110w: I don't use spotify but I would install it with flatpak: https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.spotify.Client |
| 02:46.31 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: does it work now? |
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| 02:48.26 | jmcnaught | n0a110w: I use flatpak for some other programs, I use it as non-root with --user, so it installs packages specific to my user. |
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| 02:49.38 | friendlyGoat | unfortunately not @jmcnaught |
| 02:50.12 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: what IP are you getting instead? Did you reboot, or how did you test? |
| 02:50.58 | friendlyGoat | i rebooted and restarted the networking daemon. instead of 192.168.254.45 like i want im instead getting 192.168.254.22 |
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| 02:51.19 | friendlyGoat | i've been testing by looking at the assigned IP on my router and from seeing if i can connect to it over ssh with the ip i would prefer |
| 02:51.39 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: don't restart networking, it's not a daemon it's a oneshot command that runs at boot. |
| 02:52.18 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: can you put the output of 'journalctl -u networking.service' and 'journalctl list-units | grep -i network' on https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 02:56.24 | friendlyGoat | for the second command you gave me it said failed to add match list-utils invalid argument. |
| 02:56.24 | friendlyGoat | for the first one i got https://pastebin.com/d1FPQUTg |
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| 02:56.46 | dvs | list-units |
| 02:57.37 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: my bad that should have been 'systemctl list-units | grep -i network' |
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| 03:02.17 | crimson_king | My Braswell graphics laptop gives a black screen with a blinking cursor instead of the LightDM user selection... |
| 03:02.31 | crimson_king | Debian 10 Buster |
| 03:02.56 | crimson_king | Intel graphics, that is. |
| 03:03.42 | jmcnaught | Did it work before in buster? In stretch? |
| 03:03.59 | crimson_king | Yes, it works with Debian 9 |
| 03:04.06 | dvs | What version is Braswell? HD 640? |
| 03:05.32 | crimson_king | Intel HD Graphics 400 |
| 03:06.23 | crimson_king | It's the Dell Inspiron 3162, part of the "cloudbook/chromebook-like" trend |
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| 03:07.11 | friendlyGoat | https://pastebin.com/GtsCfv5a @jmcnaught |
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| 03:08.02 | crimson_king | LightDM is running, there are no errors about it |
| 03:08.07 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: okay I just wanted to check if something like NetworkManager or networkd was running as well. Do you have any files in /etc/network/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 03:08.49 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: errr... getting tired I mean /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
| 03:08.55 | crimson_king | I tried to grep journalctl for i915, display, error, crash, anything... but so far nothing relevant came, as far as I can tell |
| 03:09.13 | crimson_king | Nothing about Xorg either. Checked Xorg.0.log too. |
| 03:09.27 | friendlyGoat | nothing in there |
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| 03:09.49 | crimson_king | I kill Xorg process, it just flickers the screen once and we're back at the same place, a black screen. |
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| 03:12.10 | jmcnaught | friendlyGoat: you could try searching the journal for the IP address that the interface is getting: journalctl | grep 192.168.254.22 |
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| 03:16.42 | crimson_king | I got an error in Xorg.0.log: modeset(0): failed to set mode: Invalid argument. |
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| 03:26.10 | crimson_king | This seems to be the same bug I'm having: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110359, about the modeset error. |
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| 03:30.15 | jmcnaught | crimson_king: did you try booting with 'nomodeset i915.modeset=0'? |
| 03:30.44 | crimson_king | jmcnaught, no, i'll try that. |
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| 03:30.54 | crimson_king | Did you take a look at the bug report I mentioned? |
| 03:32.12 | jmcnaught | crimson_king: yeah, if disabling KMS fixes the problem I would consider turning it back on once there's a newer kernel available in buster-backports (might be a while) |
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| 03:33.46 | alexandros_tab | jmcnaught: firmware-realtek does not support RTL8811AU/8812AU |
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| 03:34.39 | fraktor | So I'm trying to move things from my /tmp directory to a different directory, and those might be on a different partition. It's causing os.Rename to fail. Do I just have to recursively copy all those files myself, or is there a function that already does that? |
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| 03:36.01 | fraktor | Oops sorry, wrong channel. |
| 03:37.46 | crimson_king | jmcnaught, I booted with nomodeset, now LightDM is in a failed state. |
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| 03:38.07 | crimson_king | Same symptoms. Black screen on TTY 7. |
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| 03:39.54 | crimson_king | Running startx then, gives a Connection Refused. Server error. and quits. |
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| 03:41.02 | crimson_king | Xorg.0.log says "Cannot run in framebuffer mode" |
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| 03:42.40 | jmcnaught | alexandros_tab: re: your original question, do you have linux-headers-amd64 installed? |
| 03:42.52 | finn0 | I'm using `deb.debian.org` address in my source.list file which always resolves to Cloudfront address which I don't want to use. So, replace `deb.debian.org` with `cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org` in source.list file as suggested on deb.debian.org website. |
| 03:43.30 | finn0 | But, seems like `cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org` doesn't support https connection. Whom should I contact to request setup TLS/SSL? |
| 03:45.16 | jmcnaught | crimson_king: you looked at all the other ttys for lightdm? gdm runs on tty1 for me, I don't know if that's just a gdm thing. |
| 03:45.36 | crimson_king | jmcnaught, yes, all ttys are free, except tty 7, which is a black screen |
| 03:45.49 | crimson_king | if I start lightdm service now, I am redirected to tty 7 |
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| 04:16.40 | william | so what do I need to listen to atc using liveatc.net firefox |
| 04:18.35 | annadane | is it not working already? do you have pulseaudio installed? |
| 04:18.44 | annadane | i think that's required for firefox sound these days |
| 04:19.00 | william | and also to watch weather radar on noaa.gov |
| 04:19.27 | annadane | again, can you not do that now? have you tried it? |
| 04:19.28 | william | annadane: so I need to install pulseaudio |
| 04:19.39 | annadane | for sound i believe so, yes |
| 04:19.41 | annadane | could be wrong |
| 04:19.56 | annadane | sound in firefox specifically i mean |
| 04:21.58 | william | ok it is already installed apparently |
| 04:22.29 | SpeedyG | hm I dunno, after upgrade to buster I dont get any sound on liveatc.net either... youtube works though |
| 04:24.09 | annadane | yeah i'm not sure then |
| 04:24.42 | SpeedyG | dont have any time to look into it though.. overslept and am late already :( gotta go |
| 04:26.25 | william | ok thanks guys |
| 04:26.33 | william | goodnight |
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| 04:53.52 | CrazyTux | can Debian be made as easy as Ubuntu or Mint? I need to install the latest version of Debian stable for casual end users, newbies. |
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| 04:54.54 | CrazyTux | I have Mint 19.1 installed on my laptop now. But, of late it is freezing a lot. |
| 04:55.05 | CrazyTux | I want to try Debian 10 |
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| 05:02.38 | sedrosken | I think there are some unofficial images floating around with the nonfree firmwares they'd probably need |
| 05:03.21 | sedrosken | ... hoping I won't get punished for mentioning those |
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| 05:13.08 | awal1 | CrazyTux, what you mean by "EASY"? |
| 05:13.32 | awal1 | easy is vague... |
| 05:13.38 | CrazyTux | awal1: easy to install and use |
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| 05:13.50 | CrazyTux | for a non technical casual end user. |
| 05:13.57 | CrazyTux | who has been using Windows |
| 05:14.06 | awal1 | it is already easy |
| 05:15.03 | awal1 | automated default install is almost next, next, next... |
| 05:15.41 | awal1 | if you connect your machine to internet during install, more easy will be |
| 05:16.10 | awal1 | if you use an unofficial image it will be even more easy |
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| 05:16.25 | awal1 | dpkg: firmware image |
| 05:16.26 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:16.28 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 05:17.25 | awal1 | use ^ |
| 05:18.40 | CrazyTux | after installing how can I make it look as easy as Mint or Ubuntu? |
| 05:20.38 | awal1 | read docs |
| 05:20.53 | awal1 | google stuff |
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| 05:23.58 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 05:25.35 | awal1 | you can make mint desktop as linuxmint but not as ubuntu |
| 05:26.05 | awal1 | ubuntu uses unity desktop, not available in debian |
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| 05:26.42 | awal1 | dpkg: unity |
| 05:26.42 | dpkg | Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #609278. http://unity.ubuntu.com/ |
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| 05:28.47 | Unit193 | Ubuntu uses gnome-shell now, actually. |
| 05:28.48 | CrazyTux | awal1: which DE shall I choose? which will be the most suitable? |
| 05:29.58 | awal1 | Unit193, ubuntu abandonned unity so? and switched officially to gnome? |
| 05:31.02 | CrazyTux | how about Sparky Linux, a Debian testing based distro? |
| 05:31.03 | Unit193 | awal1: Sometime last year, yeah. Though Unity is now a community project because it seems someone wanted to keep it around. :P |
| 05:31.22 | awal1 | ok, ok |
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| 05:32.29 | CrazyTux | or even MX Linux. |
| 05:33.25 | awal1 | dpkg:#debian |
| 05:33.26 | dpkg | well, #debian is home sweet home! :) |
| 05:33.53 | awal1 | this is a channel for debian only |
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| 05:34.05 | awal1 | not for a vs b |
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| 05:35.09 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 06:02.05 | Rico | hello |
| 06:02.15 | Rico | is there an iso image of debian 9 arm64 ? |
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| 06:03.57 | Rico | got it ! https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/9.9.0/arm64/iso-cd/ |
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| 06:43.39 | diogenes_ | wow, international space station is using debian: https://www.computerweekly.com/blog/Open-Source-Insider/International-Space-Station-adopts-Debian-Linux-drops-Windows-Red-Hat-into-airlock |
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| 06:55.01 | at0m | diogenes_: 2013 ;p |
| 06:56.13 | at0m | "the astronauts will now move to using Debian 6 â while Debian 7 is already available" |
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| 06:57.36 | diogenes_ | at0m, i know but anyway it's a great thing to know. |
| 06:57.58 | at0m | :) |
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| 07:15.16 | franbird | so i'm hopeless at linux |
| 07:15.31 | franbird | what would be the easiest way to get the latest stable squid version onto a little vps i'm using? |
| 07:16.35 | ratrace | franbird: apt install squid, will get you to 4.6 on buster |
| 07:17.29 | franbird | i think my vps provider only has 9.4 available atm |
| 07:17.54 | ratrace | well you can upgrade to buster |
| 07:17.55 | franbird | is it easy to do an upgrade from 9 to 10? |
| 07:18.25 | dionysus69 | yes |
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| 07:18.32 | dionysus69 | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:18.38 | dionysus69 | change all mention of stretch to buster |
| 07:18.46 | dionysus69 | then apt-get update |
| 07:18.59 | franbird | ok i can probably do that |
| 07:18.59 | ratrace | franbird: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html |
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| 07:19.22 | ratrace | there's issues to be aware in the document, and a how to on recommended upgrade process |
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| 07:26.39 | superlinux | hello. my keyboard layout switcher key does not work for both layouts on the right ALT+ Right shift. they made it like for English you have to press left Alt+ left shift. and for Arabic right ALT and Right shift... I mean this is annoying. I want them both layout on the right |
| 07:26.45 | franbird | ok done, dionysus69 |
| 07:26.51 | superlinux | so how can I change it? |
| 07:27.02 | superlinux | I use debian buster |
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| 07:27.31 | superlinux | and also the $PATH in user root does not contain the /sbin folders |
| 07:28.05 | superlinux | I fixed the $PATH , it's easy and I know it |
| 07:28.28 | superlinux | I upgraded to Buster because it's the current release |
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| 07:38.20 | ratrace | franbird: did you read the document i linked; in particular chapter four? |
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| 08:14.35 | braingain | hi i was just checking my atd job i scheduled for the night and sadly i come to see it hasnt run |
| 08:15.05 | braingain | when i list the queue its still there even though schedule time is in the past right now: 2 Tue Jul 16 03:00:00 2019 a command |
| 08:15.30 | braingain | thats weird and atd is running. can somebody explain this behaviour or help me in debugging it? |
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| 08:20.55 | braingain | thats my date Tue Jul 16 10:20:46 CEST 2019 |
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| 09:40.53 | colo-work | what do you people use to summarize busy maillogs? (I'm using postfix, amavis, and dovecot) |
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| 09:48.26 | sssop | hey |
| 09:49.06 | sssop | when I did apt-get update on my Debian 8 machine I got following error |
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| 09:49.17 | sssop | how can I fix it? Does it mean, that this pub key expired? |
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| 09:51.35 | sssop | when I try to fetch it, it says gpgkeys: key AA8E81B4331F7F50 can't be retrieved |
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| 09:55.06 | JTDoc | what would make it so i cannot sftp to a server as root, even when i can login via ssh |
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| 10:04.12 | BCMM | JTDoc: not having the sftp subsystem available/enabled on the server |
| 10:04.34 | JTDoc | any guides on how to check for that? |
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| 10:04.52 | BCMM | what ssh server are you using? |
| 10:06.03 | BCMM | *typically*, dropbear is installed without sftp, and openssh is installed with sftp. (but you can add sftp support to dropbear or disable sftp in openssh's config) |
| 10:07.32 | BCMM | JTDoc: if openssh, look for a line like this in ssd_config: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 10:07.45 | JTDoc | im using a linux vps and i installed their debian 9, |
| 10:07.54 | BCMM | if it's missing or commented, you won't get sftp |
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| 10:07.58 | JTDoc | BCMM: i found it and commented it out |
| 10:08.04 | BCMM | why did you comment it out? |
| 10:08.07 | JTDoc | it was uncommented, |
| 10:08.18 | BCMM | that line needs to be present for sftp support |
| 10:08.29 | JTDoc | ok |
| 10:08.37 | BCMM | sftp support is a separate module that ssh needs to be able to find |
| 10:08.47 | JTDoc | hmm i might be a idiot |
| 10:08.53 | JTDoc | 1 min |
| 10:08.53 | BCMM | put that line back in, and check if the file referenced actually exists |
| 10:09.04 | JTDoc | lol |
| 10:09.05 | BCMM | if it doesn't exist, you probably need to install openssh-sftp-server |
| 10:09.09 | JTDoc | i was using the wrong freaking password |
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| 10:09.34 | JTDoc | thank you, glad i didnt keep that commented |
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| 10:15.19 | humpled | JTDoc: wait password login as root?! |
| 10:15.55 | at0m | ouch |
| 10:16.16 | JTDoc | ya i know, but im just getting started and im still not profected a few things yet ;( |
| 10:16.19 | ratrace | yeah bad practice |
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| 10:19.17 | JTDoc | ratrace: again, just getting started doing the basic setup.. thats why im here, when i run into issues while trying to secure this i'm here to ask ;P |
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| 10:20.42 | jubo2 | Does a CPU burn hotter if it is doing calculations at X GHz vs. doing NOP at X GHz ? Trying to balance between putting computational capacity into good use and not wrecking the climate worse. |
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| 10:22.45 | ratrace | JTDoc: that's okay; obviously the practice is bad enough to have elicited such reaction and now you're wiser for it ;) |
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| 10:24.15 | ratrace | jubo2: what are you really asking; are you programming something and want to insert nop instructions? |
| 10:24.32 | ratrace | besides you're fixing the climate at the wrong end :: consumer instead of production :: |
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| 10:25.13 | jubo2 | ratrace: I'm just trying to figure out if running BOINC on vCPUs consumes more energy compared to mostly just idling |
| 10:25.39 | JTDoc | ugh i just messed up my freaking apache2 install ;| |
| 10:27.01 | Ede|Popede | when it's bored it usually does what people also do, i'd say. it chills at the lowest frequency possible. |
| 10:28.02 | jubo2 | Ede|Popede: that is true for laptop CPUs, but I think the server CPUs run at a locked clock rate ... or not? |
| 10:29.02 | Ede|Popede | CPU: Topology Dual Core model AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ bits 64 type MCP L2 cache 2048 KiB |
| 10:29.02 | Ede|Popede | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.15 | Ede|Popede | under load they're at 2.4GHz iirc |
| 10:29.53 | Ede|Popede | but didn't something about that value or about what gets displayes change? |
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| 10:31.28 | HarmtH | jubo2: Do you mean the instruction NOP? |
| 10:31.45 | HarmtH | jubo2: because there is a difference between doing nothign and executing NOP |
| 10:32.02 | jubo2 | Yeah.. I'm no pro, but I think the CPU just executes a NOP per clock cycle when it has nothing to do |
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| 10:32.46 | jubo2 | HarmtH: so does a CPU at the same clock rate consume more energy when it is loaded ~ 90% vs. mostly idle? |
| 10:32.51 | HarmtH | jubo2: No, the OS will put the CPU into sleep, and set a timer to wake-up every couple of microseconds |
| 10:32.55 | HarmtH | jubo2: As far as I know |
| 10:33.38 | HarmtH | jubo2: I expect so, underclocking is just one of many ways to reduce power consumption |
| 10:34.31 | HarmtH | jubo2: The CPU can also power down a big part of it's circuti when it's sleeping |
| 10:34.33 | oiaohm | You do have to watch it with some cpus as underclocking on some can be in fact way to increase power usage. |
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| 10:36.05 | oiaohm | HarmtH: the fun of ram clock speed vs cpu clockspeed and other pairing like that. Fast way to underclock and think you are saving power when you are like causing more processing in MMU or IO interfaces or ..... |
| 10:36.20 | oiaohm | so resulting in more power usage. |
| 10:37.01 | Ede|Popede | about sleep states and acpi > https://superuser.com/questions/1017571/is-the-cpu-active-in-sleep-mode |
| 10:37.09 | ratrace | i don't think the cpu executes nop when there's nothing to do; it simply does nothing; waits for irq or timers to wake up code |
| 10:37.19 | jubo2 | If I do 'stress -c 4' on a laptop with 2 cores and 2 hyperthreads per core and measure the electricity consumption I can see how much more it uses. Is there a way to lock the clockrate to see what part of the energy consumption increase is to do with the clockrate and what with actual calculation going on? |
| 10:37.59 | oiaohm | ratrace: if you get into some of the embedded chips some do require you to loop though nops or the like. |
| 10:38.30 | ratrace | jubo2: i think you're overthinking this; the cpu manages its own power according to load it's given; ie. it'll spend less electricity if does less |
| 10:39.04 | ratrace | jubo2: and yes you can lock with cpufreq but you'll have to set that governor, default is pstate on intel cpus |
| 10:39.18 | jubo2 | ratrace: thanks for info |
| 10:39.19 | oiaohm | ratrace: its a stupid one where some embedded chips will autosleep on all bar one of their interrupts if it has no instructions to process. |
| 10:39.47 | oiaohm | ratrace: those chips are better to clock as slow as possible and run nops. |
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| 10:41.50 | oiaohm | jubo2: really it depends on the cpu. Some cpus you lower the volatage supply and they automatically restrict their clock speed to match that. |
| 10:43.25 | oiaohm | jubo2: and there is more than 1 clock inside your cpu. You have your cpu clock, your io clocks and your mmu clocks. So when you lock a clock rate things can get really simple to get those clocks miss matched. |
| 10:45.32 | ratrace | there goes that overthinking; let's assume this is an x86 intel or amd, in a laptop, on which jubo2 wants to run boinc |
| 10:45.56 | ratrace | politely nudges jubo2 to confirm or deny |
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| 10:47.11 | ratrace | so for intel/amd it is :: in vast vast majority of cases, especially generations of past several years :: safe to lock frequency with cpufreq, as long as it's just that and nobody's messing with voltage or multipliers or whatever in bios |
| 10:49.03 | oiaohm | ratrace: the clock clash leading to extra power usage happens with amd and intel. You notice the auto does not drop in most chips under X speed as a running speed. Lot cases go under that have you MMU/Bus needing to run at incompadilbe speed to cpu cores so magic power usage groth. |
| 10:49.10 | oiaohm | groth/growth. |
| 10:51.01 | oiaohm | Playing with settings to save power there is such thing as going to far attempting to save power. |
| 10:51.25 | ratrace | i don't concern myself with that low level of detail; i only care if my fan spins up or not and if it's too loud; and for the vast majority of cases when I take notice, if i'm not gaming, the fan is quiet, cpu temp is right now 31C, frq around 800MHz |
| 10:52.30 | ratrace | "save power" and "runing boinc" are seldom part of the same sentence however |
| 10:54.06 | at0m | ratrace: OP's concern was more of "will it use extra power" when "running boinc" |
| 10:54.24 | humpled | i wonder what the production pollution cost of the laptop is compared to its running cost |
| 10:54.30 | ratrace | "extra" compared to .... not running boinc? |
| 10:54.36 | at0m | ratrace: right |
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| 10:55.10 | at0m | ratrace: < jubo2> HarmtH: so does a CPU at the same clock rate consume more energy when it is loaded ~ 90% vs. mostly idle? |
| 10:55.34 | humpled | eg. for a car, about a quarter of the lifetime carbon is produced in production |
| 10:55.47 | humpled | so underusing something can be very inefficient |
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| 10:57.41 | ratrace | at0m: yes but i was talking about "safety" to lock cpu at a given frequency |
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| 10:58.23 | oiaohm | humpled: depend on the laptop. Laptops that get a 3-4 year life mostly cost more in production and recycling than the power usage in operation. |
| 10:58.41 | humpled | if the laptop's lifetime is 5 years, more than half at least |
| 10:59.09 | oiaohm | humpled: you are underestmating the cost to make and recycle. |
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| 10:59.32 | humpled | didn't we just agree? |
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| 10:59.48 | sysmox | hi there, short question: my laptop's motherboard is gonna get replaced, should I take something in consideration or debian will just keep working as expected? |
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| 11:00.41 | oiaohm | humpled: https://www.networkworld.com/article/2229029/computer-factories-eat-way-more-energy-than-running-the-devices-they-build.html this is a old study from 2011. |
| 11:01.08 | humpled | thanks :) |
| 11:01.17 | oiaohm | humpled: its more like 70% of the power+ used in the laptop lifespan is making it. |
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| 11:02.03 | domul | Hello everybody, I'm trying to move several files from subdirectories (each file is in a seperate subdirectory; all subdirectories are in the same parent direcrtory) to the parent directory.Used this command: |
| 11:02.07 | domul | find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -exec mv '{}' /Volumes/Extreme\ SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc + |
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| 11:02.27 | domul | getting error message <find: -exec: no terminating ";" or "+"> |
| 11:02.50 | oiaohm | This gets worse as laptops are having to get more power effective because FAA sets a 100KWH battery limit per device. This works out to about a 90KWH battery when you adverage it usage from its best to it worst. |
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| 11:03.37 | ratrace | kilo watt hour? kilo? laptop? nah. |
| 11:04.11 | oiaohm | humpled: basically the battery size in laptops is set in stone. Production cost in power is almost also set in stone. Power used while the laptop is running to do the same hours work is reducing. So result we are heading to 90% of a laptop power usage in it live be making it. |
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| 11:06.04 | humpled | maybe 100 Wh |
| 11:06.20 | humpled | shame |
| 11:06.41 | humpled | every laptop i've had, i wanted a bigger battery, and all of the batteries died anyway |
| 11:07.14 | Jck_true | humpled: Just opt for a low power CPU... |
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| 11:08.26 | humpled | find exec is weird |
| 11:08.36 | humpled | you need \; on the end |
| 11:09.01 | humpled | and maybe double quotes for the parameter |
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| 11:11.38 | domul | humpled: I tried the forward slash ... had no effect |
| 11:12.09 | domul | double quotes - same |
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| 11:12.26 | diogenes_ | domul, what's the issue? |
| 11:12.39 | sysmox | domul: have you tried find . -exec [cmd] {} +; ? |
| 11:12.41 | domul | Hello everybody, I'm trying to move several files from subdirectories (each file is in a seperate subdirectory; all subdirectories are in the same parent direcrtory) to the parent directory.Used this command: |
| 11:12.48 | domul | find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -exec mv '{}' /Volumes/Extreme\ SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc + |
| 11:12.53 | domul | getting error message <find: -exec: no terminating ";" or "+"> |
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| 11:13.10 | sysmox | try to add ; at the end |
| 11:13.26 | domul | @sysmax not did not yet. |
| 11:13.38 | domul | same result |
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| 11:16.11 | sysmox | domul: find . -type f -iname "*.txt" | xargs -I {} mv {} "/Volumes/Extreme SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc" |
| 11:16.42 | sysmox | if it doesn't work, paste the error you get |
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| 11:18.18 | diogenes_ | domul, i once had to search my directory for any *.doc file and, once found, it was copied to a target directory, so this is the exact command that did the trick for me: |
| 11:18.20 | diogenes_ | find . -type f -name '*.doc' -exec cp --target-directory=/home/username/Desktop/ {} + |
| 11:19.43 | HarmtH | domul: try find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -exec mv '{}' /Volumes/Extreme\ SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc/ ';' |
| 11:19.57 | domul | @Sysmax it did work ! AWESOME ! Thank you !! |
| 11:20.04 | oiaohm | humpled: one of the updates on laptops I have seen a laptop that is prior generation had 10 hours of battery life and the new one has 16 hours both have exactly the same 90KWH battery in them. |
| 11:20.37 | sysmox | domul: great, you're welcome |
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| 11:21.49 | oiaohm | humpled: so longer operating is not coming from bigger battery its now coming from improved silicon of course that cutting the power consume over its life time by over 1/3. This is why we are heading to 90 percent of the power usage is going to be laptop production. |
| 11:22.46 | HarmtH | domul: You're issue was that with the '+' syntax, the '{}' has to come right before the '+' |
| 11:23.09 | HarmtH | domul: With the ';' syntax, '{}' can be put everywhere, and specified multiple times if needed |
| 11:23.49 | HarmtH | *Your |
| 11:24.07 | oiaohm | humpled: unless we some how manage to use laptops for like 50+ years to get to 50/50 between usage and production. Parts in laptops normally break without replacements well before that. |
| 11:24.09 | domul | hm .. ? The version sysmax posted above had neither ; nor + So Idid add actually the + at the end, and it worked as such |
| 11:24.29 | HarmtH | domul: sysmox didn't use -exec |
| 11:24.46 | HarmtH | domul: He just let find list the files and used xargs to execute another command |
| 11:24.55 | domul | no. But that was the version Iused and that worked . with xarg |
| 11:25.27 | domul | Ok. Gotcha. So I will also try your version with exec. Thank you |
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| 11:26.25 | sysmox | that's right, I prefer to pipe it to xargs. some explanation here: https://danielmiessler.com/blog/linux-xargs-vs-exec/ |
| 11:27.35 | domul | I had thought about using pipe operator - but didn't know xarg command yet. I will look into that very much in detail |
| 11:27.56 | HarmtH | sysmox: That's a bit of an unfair comparison |
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| 11:28.31 | domul | ;-) No need to argue gentlemen. I'm very happy about the options. Thank you both. |
| 11:28.39 | HarmtH | sysmox: His find command starts a process per file, the xargs one passes all files to one process |
| 11:29.02 | HarmtH | sysmox: That's exactly what finds -exec {} + is for |
| 11:29.10 | HarmtH | sysmox: Instaed of find -exec {} ; |
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| 11:29.28 | domul | Gotta run now; just logged in on private laptop during lunchbreak. But I'll be back, and hopefully be able to answer questions myself soon. Have a great day all ! |
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| 11:29.53 | HarmtH | sysmox: But find is a bit limited as the {} has to come at the end of the command |
| 11:30.23 | HarmtH | sysmox: With the '+' style |
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| 11:33.37 | diogenes_ | what is the prffered and recommended way to add your user to a group, is it: sudo adduser username groupname or usermod -a -G groupname username |
| 11:33.43 | diogenes_ | preffered* |
| 11:34.01 | ratrace | i prefer usermod |
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| 11:34.54 | diogenes_ | ratrace, ok thanks, i'm asking because no adduser no usermod are installed by default on debian 10 so maybe they have something else. |
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| 11:37.34 | sedrosken | i just use gpasswd, is there any special reason i shouldn't? |
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| 11:40.16 | diogenes_ | sedrosken, yeah it's confusing a bit, you have plenty of ways to do it, userdd, adduser, usermod, gpasswd. |
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| 11:45.35 | ratrace | usermod is very much installed by default, it's in /sbin/ |
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| 11:51.27 | Ede|Popede | adduser and addgroup [â¦] are friendlier front ends to the low level tools like useradd, groupadd and usermod programs, by default choosing Debian policy conformant UID and GID values --- [and doing some extra other stuff]. and addgroup is a symlink to the shell adduser perl script. so they're the easy way out if nothing special is wanted. |
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| 11:52.13 | sedrosken | well, literally all I did was add my user to the sudo group and get on with my life, so as long as i manage not to screw that up I think I'm okay on gpasswd |
| 11:52.28 | diogenes_ | Ede|Popede, i see. |
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| 11:57.52 | ratrace | diogenes_: btw usermod and other user* and group* commands are installed by default, via passwd package |
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| 11:58.24 | diogenes_ | ratrace, yes by bad, i figured, i thought it was a standalone binary. |
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| 12:12.08 | jal` | hi, i'm not getting any sound in chromium and opera. works in mpv and mpd. using hda nvidia |
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| 12:20.05 | soul-d | jal`, if you got pulseaudio you can check there if it switched to some internal audio device and select your nvidia output if it's not on that |
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| 12:21.51 | diogenes_ | soul-d, you mean pavucontrol? |
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| 12:22.39 | soul-d | ah yes i mean that |
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| 12:30.46 | GenTooMan | note it looks like you can just install eclipse (photon? now it's 2019-06 ... expiration date now?) in buster using the eclipse provided installer without issue. JDK 11 needs to be installed for Java. In any case it does appear to have an issue with JDK 8 not being installed like prior versions. Eclipse market place is a different matter. |
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| 12:43.40 | ghormoon | wow, i just figured out why some of my things started behaving very strange. i was using sudo in some scripts ... which after dist-upgrade took ages ... turned out it was because dist-upgrade changed my hostname (it had _ in it before, it ot removed), so it didn't match /etc/hosts and just waited for timeouts |
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| 13:14.08 | jal` | pavucontrol worked thanks |
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| 13:34.03 | enoq | any idea if the debian 10 upgrade requires you to adjust postfix/dovecot configs? |
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| 13:34.42 | colo-work | that depends _a lot_ on your settings. I did not have to change anything on either, but my configuration is rather vanilla. |
| 13:34.53 | enoq | vanilla as well |
| 13:35.03 | enoq | + spamassassin, opendkim and spf |
| 13:35.09 | enoq | basically what you need these days |
| 13:35.51 | colo-work | I did not need to touch opendkim and amavis/SA when going from stretch to buster either |
| 13:36.05 | colo-work | spf is purely DNS-based, do your distro should not matter |
| 13:36.14 | colo-work | (unless you mean a program that I do not know) |
| 13:36.16 | enoq | incoming spf |
| 13:36.27 | enoq | basically for spam prevention |
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| 13:42.21 | karlpinc | enoq: Depending on how old your postfix config is you might want to consider updating the config and turning off backwards compatiblity, just so you're keeping up. See compatibility_level in "man 5 postconf". |
| 13:42.41 | enoq | thanks |
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| 13:46.18 | gregor2 | I cant get kvm support running for qemu. /proc/cpuinfo gives svm at the flags and if i type "info kvm" in qemu i get : "kvm support disabled". |
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| 13:49.44 | jmcnaught | gregor2: virtualization support disabled in firmware/BIOS? |
| 13:51.01 | themill | gregor2: can you explain what you mean by «type "info kvm" in qemu» some more? What architecture are you emulating? |
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| 14:06.59 | centrix | We have join Active Directory and verified the join. OK. Now I want to clone the machine and join under its different name + IP. Will there be troubles? Thank you. |
| 14:07.38 | centrix | The join was performed via "net ads join" = samba, not kerberos. |
| 14:09.01 | karlpinc | !debian clone |
| 14:09.01 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
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| 14:12.09 | centrix | karlpinc, what about custom SW + config etc? The package system does not know, does it? |
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| 14:27.58 | jhutchins_wk | centrix: You can build your own packages and the system will be aware of them. |
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| 14:30.17 | GenTooMan | my x session has had 2 termination events since upgrading to buster this time I caught the session dumps it appears a jump to a null pointer or reference to one is the fault from "[416018.337] (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0" suggestions of what to do? apart from say "what the heck" |
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| 14:30.49 | centrix | jhutchins_wk, I did so on RHEL/CentOS, but I am new to Debian. We have a chance to easily clone under VMWare. The trouble is not IP, hostname + a few more things, but I do not know if samba caches AD joins etc. |
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| 14:32.37 | greycat | GenTooMan: which process is seg faulting? Xorg, or the session manager, or the window manager...? |
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| 14:34.05 | Raven737 | Hi, I downloaded the debian 10.0 non-free x64 iso cd image and wrote this to a usb stick. I am now trying to run the non-gui installer (expert install?) but I am getting error that there was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. The download page states copying to usb should work. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 14:35.57 | NetTerminalGene | Raven737, where do you get error? you can use live environment, or can't even boot? |
| 14:36.26 | NetTerminalGene | veryfy the iso |
| 14:36.53 | Raven737 | NetTerminalGene: I can boot and get the menu, i get the error on the step "Load installer components from CD". Ok, will verify iso now, good idea, thanks you |
| 14:37.20 | GenTooMan | greycat looks to be Xorg: [416018.314] (EE) 16: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (InitFonts+0x3b6) [0x563c0b1e4956] |
| 14:37.20 | GenTooMan | [416018.336] (EE) 17: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xeb) [0x7f9fa3a2c09b] |
| 14:37.20 | GenTooMan | [416018.336] (EE) 18: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (_start+0x2a) [0x563c0b1ce67a] |
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| 14:37.35 | humpled | what exactly is meant by 'wrote to' and 'copying to'? |
| 14:38.11 | greycat | Then I guess you file the bug report against xserver-xorg (and if it turns out to be more specific, like a driver or whatever, the X team can reassign it). |
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| 14:38.44 | centrix | Is debian going to provide thttp package at all? |
| 14:39.16 | GenTooMan | greycat all right sounds like a better plan than "what the heck" |
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| 14:40.35 | Raven737 | humpled: dd iso to usb |
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| 14:41.19 | Raven737 | hash missmatch, ok, download again x( |
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| 14:43.57 | NetTerminalGene | Raven737, use torrent |
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| 14:46.34 | Raven737 | NetTerminalGene: would like to use bt, can't, at work, have to use http proxy etc. http download is very slow so I tried a downloader that downloads multiple parts at the same time, that was fast but apparently not it skipped something :/ |
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| 14:48.17 | Raven737 | NetTerminalGene: I guess I just have to wait.... Thank you for the help and good suggestions! |
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| 15:22.13 | centrix | I have a thttpd unit defining the daemon's pid file, but the systemd is complaining "thttpd.service: Can't open PID file /run/thttpd.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory" |
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| 15:23.10 | centrix | The file is NOT there after the thttpd has stopped. Do I have to create the PID file before the daemon starts? |
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| 15:24.17 | centrix | The same unit file I am using on CentOS without complains. |
| 15:26.07 | ratrace | centrix: look at the daemon config itself, if there's an option where to put the pidfile |
| 15:26.57 | greycat | *shudder* |
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| 15:29.19 | jhutchins_wk | centrix: It could be permissions on /run |
| 15:30.56 | ratrace | thusly pidfiles should be in /run/<service>/... if you need it at all. they're a relic from the past and unless you're forking, you don't need them |
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| 15:35.14 | centrix | The unit file is like this: |
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| 15:35.34 | centrix | The unit file is like this: https://pastebin.com/jYdeRHcX |
| 15:36.11 | centrix | Actually I used one from CentOS 7 as a template. |
| 15:36.25 | centrix | I may replace /var/run with simple /run |
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| 15:38.57 | ratrace | centrix: check that the service unit and thttpd.conf use the same path for the pidfile; then depending on when the pidfile is created (before or after dropping privs), you might need to configure runtime directory under /run/thttpd via tmpfiles or something |
| 15:39.09 | humpled | hmm, /var/run is a symlink to /run on my debian 9, and /run is on a tmpfs |
| 15:39.28 | ratrace | it's like that on most if not all systemd distros |
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| 15:41.36 | centrix | I changed /var/run to /run. The same story. |
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| 15:43.05 | ratrace | centrix: is that where the pidfile is supposed to be? |
| 15:43.23 | centrix | Could be. Why not if it is configurable. |
| 15:43.46 | ratrace | centrix: configurable where? there are two places |
| 15:44.11 | centrix | The unit file: /usr/lib/systemd/system/thttpd.service |
| 15:44.15 | centrix | For instance. |
| 15:44.40 | ratrace | centrix: that doesn't configure where thttpd will put it, only where systemd will read it from, for Type=forking |
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| 15:48.35 | greycat | Debian uses /lib/systemd/ by the way, rather than /usr/lib/systemd/ (unless you did the usrmerge thing or installed buster fresh). |
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| 15:49.50 | Yukiteru | greycat: buster used usrmerge?? |
| 15:50.06 | annadane | on fresh installs i believe so, yes |
| 15:50.15 | annadane | i think if you upgrade from stretch it isn't there |
| 15:50.19 | greycat | correct |
| 15:50.41 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#merged-usr |
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| 15:54.06 | centrix | greycat, that does not say much. By the way there are many unit file there. It it was to move there would NOT bu many of them. Why if you have already planned to move. Files like systemd-udevd.service for instance. |
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| 15:54.58 | greycat | My whole point was /usr/lib/systemd/ doesn't exist unless you did a fresh buster install (NOT an upgrade), or you performed the optional usrmerge. |
| 15:55.03 | ratrace | centrix: thttpd.conf has pidfile option; is that path the same as the service unit's? systemd must be told about the path which is configured by thttpd.conf primarily |
| 15:55.21 | centrix | The complain about the missing pidfile comes from systemd. I added the pifile option in the thttpd's config file. Still complains from the same guy. |
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| 15:55.45 | centrix | And if I stop the service it fall into the failed state. |
| 15:55.54 | greycat | ... and then I go and look and discover that I'm half wrong. /usr/lib/systemd/ does exist; it's just mostly bare. However, /usr/lib/systemd/system/ does NOT exist. So I'm right about THAT half. |
| 15:56.22 | greycat | Also PID files are an abomination. |
| 15:56.44 | ratrace | agreed |
| 15:57.00 | greycat | If you're writing your own systemd service file for this thing, don't bother using a PID file unless for some reason it's required by stuff outside of systemd. |
| 15:58.20 | centrix | greycat, I do not want to argue ... :) If it is not needed, well, away with it (in the unit file). I'll leave it set in the conf file though. |
| 15:58.24 | ratrace | agreed as well; run it as Type=simple, configure httpd not to daemonize; i would also run it as non-root and use systemd User=, Group= options and AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE to allow binding to ports 80, 443 |
| 15:59.00 | centrix | It actually runs as "nobody" in the background. |
| 15:59.14 | ratrace | that's bad, nothing should use 'nobody' |
| 15:59.23 | greycat | a more debianesque approach would be to run it as www-data |
| 15:59.38 | centrix | That is just for starters. It has run for just about an hour :) |
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| 15:59.48 | centrix | www:www |
| 16:00.07 | greycat | I'd either use www-data or your own custom user that you create for it. |
| 16:00.13 | ratrace | sounds like you're imposing centos idiosyncrasies to debian |
| 16:00.19 | centrix | :) |
| 16:00.42 | centrix | That is my background. No wonder ... but I accept objects :) |
| 16:00.46 | centrix | objections |
| 16:01.21 | centrix | greycat, www-data with nologin ... could be. |
| 16:01.48 | greycat | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/usr/sbin/nologin |
| 16:02.07 | greycat | your UID/GID values may differ |
| 16:02.13 | centrix | Its there in a sec... |
| 16:02.18 | centrix | Sure |
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| 16:04.06 | centrix | greycat, the UID/GID values are the same. |
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| 16:05.17 | enoq | upgrading php on debian is a pain as always |
| 16:05.21 | enoq | in buster |
| 16:05.25 | enoq | why can't it simply remove 7.0 |
| 16:06.17 | ratrace | ye gods, this reads like A Compendium of Sysadmin's Haloween and other Short Stories of Horror and Macabre ::: https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs |
| 16:06.23 | greycat | I'm guessing it's the same reason stretch->buster didn't remove 5.whatever. Your application may not be ready for 7.3 so you're given the option to migrate at your own time. |
| 16:06.59 | greycat | err... I meant jessie->stretch didn't remove 5.whatever |
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| 16:09.56 | han-solo | how long would it take for debian 9 to install fron netinstall given a good internet connection ? And KDE |
| 16:09.56 | centrix | greycat, Finito. Thanks all. |
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| 16:12.06 | centrix | One more thing. The AppArmor is enabled (aa-status: Yes). The thttpd unit still falls into its failed state. Could it be because of that? |
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| 16:13.08 | enoq | greycat: yeah, but then simply don't update to buster |
| 16:13.20 | enoq | or use docker |
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| 16:13.57 | ratrace | centrix: not if there's no apparmor profile for it, and there probably isn't |
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| 16:14.28 | centrix | ratrace, Nope, for that is a custom install and I did not define. |
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| 16:15.04 | ratrace | centrix: yeah that's why i assumed |
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| 16:16.08 | centrix | ratrace, thx |
| 16:17.45 | enoq | btw, was postgres automatically upgraded? |
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| 16:18.05 | fra | flurg! |
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| 16:23.13 | jhutchins_wk | ,v postfix |
| 16:23.14 | judd | Package: postfix on amd64 -- jessie: 2.11.3-1+deb8u2; stretch: 3.1.12-0+deb9u1; bullseye: 3.4.5-1; buster: 3.4.5-1; sid: 3.4.5-1 |
| 16:23.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,v postgres |
| 16:23.27 | judd | No package named 'postgres' was found in amd64. |
| 16:24.27 | mason | ,v postgresql |
| 16:24.28 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u1; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u2; buster: 11+200+deb10u1; bullseye: 11+203; sid: 11+203 |
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| 16:28.11 | jhutchins_wk | Wonder what happened to 10. |
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| 16:31.45 | ratrace | jhutchins_wk: shorter lifecycle; basically postgres now took one version dimension out, so 10 was what 9.7 would've been, 11 what 9.8 would've, ... |
| 16:32.43 | ratrace | so bullseye will likely release with postgres 13, or 14 |
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| 16:33.27 | ratrace | actually... 15 or 16 |
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| 17:10.45 | mrus | hey there! Is there a way to force a package to re-run all its pre/postinst scripts? |
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| 17:11.11 | xbow | mrus: yes sure |
| 17:11.19 | xbow | mrus: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:12.23 | mrus | xbow: I tried that one, however, it didn't seem like it really ran everything. Background: I deleted /var/lib/postgresql and the according postgres user.. now I re-installed postgres but the user and that specific direcftion are still missing. |
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| 17:12.37 | mrus | dpk-reconfigure didn't bring them back either. |
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| 17:13.06 | xbow | mrus: did you apt-get --reinstall install foobar |
| 17:13.12 | mrus | yup |
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| 17:13.36 | mrus | tried that as well.. I even pruged all postgre packages and autoremoved all unsued deps before I performed a reinstall. |
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| 17:16.39 | mrus | there seem to be no way of bringing back the postgres user (apart from probably manually adding it) |
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| 17:56.15 | jim | when upgrading from stretch to buster, do I do just apt dist-upgrade, or should I run apt upgrade first? if yes, what does the apt upgrade step do? |
| 17:56.28 | greycat | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 17:56.29 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 17:57.14 | jim | greycat, ok, so that's a yes... what does it do differently? |
| 17:57.17 | greycat | In general, "upgrade" lets it do a few of the small, easy pieces and get them out of the way. |
| 17:57.59 | greycat | Presumably the people who wrote the release notes either figured it was better to be safe and continue using the traditional three-step way, or they actually tested it and had better results this way. |
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| 17:58.20 | greycat | You could hunt them down and ask them. |
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| 17:58.35 | jim | got the long guns? :) |
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| 18:00.02 | jim | I already made sure the machine's stretch install is uptodate, rebooted into 4.9.0-9 and removed all other kernels |
| 18:00.08 | rwp | jim, 'upgrade' does not allow the named list of installed packages to change. New new dependencies can be added. No obsolete dependencies removed. |
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| 18:00.27 | Monodroid | Hi. I want to thank all the Heros out there who develop the best Free OS in the world! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMewtlmkV6c |
| 18:00.38 | greycat | rwp: almost. "apt-get update" does as you said. "apt update" DOES allow new packages to be installed. |
| 18:00.41 | jmcnaught | apt-get upgrade doesn't install or remove packages, but apt upgrade can install (but not remove) new packages |
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| 18:00.50 | greycat | err, upgrade. |
| 18:01.38 | jim | let's see what happens when I do it that way... to this point I only did dist-upgrade |
| 18:01.39 | rwp | jmcnaught, So 'apt upgrade' is like 'apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs' then. Which is relatively safe since it won't be removing things due to an obstacle. |
| 18:01.57 | greycat | rwp: that's one of the differences, yeah |
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| 18:03.06 | jmcnaught | jim: are you inside a screen session? |
| 18:03.12 | rwp | jim, If you have already done dist-upgrade and it completed then there should be nothing more for upgrade to do. |
| 18:03.46 | jim | jmcnaught, I haven't started the upgrade to buster yet. I could start screen or tmux |
| 18:03.55 | greycat | if it' |
| 18:03.56 | rwp | If it completed successfully. If it failed then of course that is a different story. |
| 18:04.02 | greycat | if it's a remote system, DEFINTELY use screen/tmux. |
| 18:04.10 | jim | rwp, doing it to the laptop now |
| 18:04.12 | jmcnaught | jim: it's recommended, there are a few other recommendations you might want to follow in the release notes |
| 18:04.16 | greycat | the release notes also recommend using script(1) |
| 18:04.19 | rwp | I use screen/tmux always even for local upgrades. |
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| 18:04.46 | jim | well "remote" means "more than 4 feet away" :) |
| 18:05.13 | rwp | The advantage to script is that later when someone has a problem and comes asking for help and the helpers ask, "What happened?" then the 'typescript' file is a available. |
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| 18:06.08 | jim | so script fires up a shell that's logged to typescript? |
| 18:06.15 | rwp | Yes. |
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| 18:06.39 | rwp | Regarding screen/tmux... NetworkManager has the repeated offense of taking the network offline and then not bringing it back online. Then driving over to the datacenter and getting on the console can attach back to it and bring the network back online manually and then finish the upgrade. |
| 18:06.42 | greycat | Essentially, yeah... there's some inaccuracy in that statement. |
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| 18:06.53 | greycat | But the end result is that the session is logged in a file. |
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| 18:08.31 | TheWaffle | Hi! i wish to increase my swap without Rebooting my server. Is this possbile? Also Here is my fstab file and my df -h output https://pastebin.com/raw/PKcJJkat |
| 18:08.37 | jim | rwp, I think my car is too heavy to put on an upper floor of the apt bldg... and then I'd only need to drive 6 feet to get to the laptop |
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| 18:08.56 | greycat | TheWaffle: man swapon |
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| 18:09.18 | rwp | Then you are in a better shape for the upgrade than most people. |
| 18:09.32 | TheWaffle | greycat is this the way go here? https://serverfault.com/questions/218122/how-do-i-increase-swap-memory-in-debian |
| 18:09.47 | TheWaffle | I don't want to reboot. And I don't want to fuck up my hard drive lmao. |
| 18:09.48 | rwp | Especially when the datacenter is an hours drive away. |
| 18:10.25 | greycat | Showing us df -h is not useful. The question is whether you're using LVM or not, whether you have any free space in your volume group if you are ("vgs" command), or whether you have any unallocated space on the hard disk if you're not ("fdisk -l"). If no raw space is available, you could make a swap file. |
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| 18:11.47 | TheWaffle | https://pastebin.com/raw/dZ7j1hnR Does this help? |
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| 18:12.37 | raiding | hi |
| 18:13.15 | greycat | TheWaffle: you have 4 GB unused space in the volume group, so you could use that for a new swap LV. |
| 18:13.35 | greycat | If you need more than 4 GB, then it's either a swap file, or you start shrinking things. |
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| 18:16.32 | TheWaffle | greycat Well my ram is 32GB, my swap file is 2GB, it WAS full (not anymore) do I need more swap? |
| 18:16.57 | rwp | TheWaffle, What problem are you seeing that indicates you need more swap? |
| 18:17.00 | greycat | If this is about hibernation/sleep/whatever on a laptop, I can't answer. I am not a laptop guy. |
| 18:17.06 | TheWaffle | It was 2G/2G |
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| 18:17.21 | TheWaffle | rwp I was seeing it on htop that my swap was full |
| 18:17.41 | greycat | ... why? what are you doing? |
| 18:17.44 | TheWaffle | But it's not now. It's 1.66/2GB |
| 18:17.44 | jim | buster release notes for amd64 gives me page not found |
| 18:17.50 | rwp | I would say that is a good thing then. The kernel is doing good at moving unused blocks out of ram freeing the ram for other uses. |
| 18:17.58 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
| 18:18.07 | TheWaffle | Honestly i am only using 6GB of my 32GB ram. |
| 18:18.17 | TheWaffle | I could make my swap less used probs? |
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| 18:18.46 | rwp | Why? If the kernel has pushed unused memory blocks out then it is because they are least used and it could use the ram for other better purposes. |
| 18:19.23 | jim | so someone can fix this pretty easily... I'm looking at https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
| 18:19.25 | TheWaffle | Fair. But i have 32GB of ram, 6 is being used. |
| 18:19.33 | rwp | TheWaffle, Run 'vmstat' and look at the si/so (swap-in/swap-out) rates. If they are less than 2 then I would not worry. If they are greater than 2 then I would add more ram. |
| 18:19.45 | TheWaffle | More ram? ...uh |
| 18:19.48 | TheWaffle | No. |
| 18:19.50 | TheWaffle | :D |
| 18:20.20 | jim | there found it |
| 18:20.38 | greycat | jim: it's not /testing/ any more |
| 18:20.40 | rwp | Andrew Morton famously has argued to make Linux swapiness preference 100. I am in that camp too. |
| 18:21.11 | rwp | jim, Testing is bullseye the next release candidate schedule for release two years from now. |
| 18:21.38 | rwp | Strictly speaking talking about testing should be done in debian-next. :-) |
| 18:21.40 | greycat | "schedule" is a strong word |
| 18:21.52 | rwp | It's two years out! That is a fine schedule. |
| 18:22.08 | TheWaffle | si/bo seems to be at 0 |
| 18:22.12 | TheWaffle | So I'm good then. |
| 18:22.17 | rwp | Especially when most people have an attention span of... What were we talking about? I forgot. |
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| 18:22.47 | TheWaffle | Thanks for all of your time :D |
| 18:22.52 | rwp | TheWaffle, It isn't swapping due to something using more ram than you have and thrashing. Which results in the process running at storage speeds. That's bad if it is. |
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| 18:23.42 | rwp | Although I think it unusual that you would have all of your swap in use. That's quite unusual. I can't imagine the process events that you went through to have that happen. |
| 18:23.49 | TheWaffle | rwp Yeah It's swapping for no reason it seems to be. I have 32GB of ram, only 6 is used. |
| 18:24.13 | TheWaffle | But also I run a game server called factorio. Let me kill it and see what changes. |
| 18:24.18 | greycat | Were you at some point in the past (but after the last reboot) using close to all your RAM? |
| 18:24.33 | TheWaffle | Probs not |
| 18:24.39 | TheWaffle | I use my CPU more then my ram. |
| 18:24.47 | TheWaffle | My load averages has been at 4+ |
| 18:24.52 | TheWaffle | (I have 4 cores) |
| 18:25.02 | greycat | that's unrelated |
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| 18:25.43 | greycat | One of the reasons it might have used swap so aggressively was that it felt memory constrained at some point. Then it would have swapped some idle daemon segments out to disk to free up some space for active processes. |
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| 18:26.03 | greycat | Or it might be that you simply have a LOT of large, idle daemons sitting around. |
| 18:26.04 | TheWaffle | I doubt I ever use 32GB of ram. |
| 18:26.20 | rwp | I wonder about a system that has 2GB of idle memory blocks that could be swapped to storage. That seems very high. |
| 18:26.38 | greycat | Yeah, which is why I was asking what they were doing. |
| 18:26.40 | TheWaffle | I mean. I use Proxmox |
| 18:26.56 | TheWaffle | OVH install template. |
| 18:27.08 | TheWaffle | So I don't really know my fstab, fdisk etc |
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| 18:29.59 | rwp | Here are two pastes from two different desktop machines. http://paste.debian.net/1091792/ The first is mostly idle 16GB ram system but is running a full XFCE desktop plus libvirt kvm with a VM. The second is 32GB ram system (happens to be Ubuntu) running a full GNOME desktop and is very active by its user. |
| 18:30.36 | TheWaffle | 0.0 |
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| 18:31.01 | rwp | No significant swap is being used in either case. In order for the kernel to decide to push to swap then something prior must have caused memory resource pressure. |
| 18:31.17 | TheWaffle | How you get that format? |
| 18:31.30 | TheWaffle | It looks like htop but I can't copy/paste htop |
| 18:31.31 | rwp | As stated in the paste it is htop with TERM=vt100 |
| 18:31.44 | rwp | Why can't you copy/paste from htop? |
| 18:32.01 | TheWaffle | idk |
| 18:32.05 | TheWaffle | is using putty |
| 18:32.07 | greycat | It takes over an X terminal's mouse clicks. :-/ |
| 18:32.26 | greycat | You can hold Shift to override that. |
| 18:32.27 | rwp | I guess I don't have that breakage on my system. |
| 18:32.35 | TheWaffle | oh neat |
| 18:32.50 | rwp | However by default htop will use color to denote differences in bar graph. That will not cut and paste into a pastebin. |
| 18:32.53 | TheWaffle | http://paste.debian.net/1091793/ |
| 18:32.59 | TheWaffle | Here's mine :D |
| 18:33.00 | greycat | Or "q" to quit the program, and then paste whatever's left on the terminal. |
| 18:33.08 | TheWaffle | Shift worked. |
| 18:33.12 | rwp | Therefore (as stated in the paste) that I set 'TERM=vt100 htop' in order to get ASCII characters instead. |
| 18:34.02 | rwp | And also as a side effect 'TERM=vt100 htop' probably also told htop that there was no mouse so do not take over mouse functions. |
| 18:34.17 | TheWaffle | That |
| 18:34.18 | TheWaffle | is |
| 18:34.19 | TheWaffle | odd |
| 18:34.30 | rwp | What is odd? |
| 18:34.35 | TheWaffle | Lykos (A werewolf python script) was using a GOOD amount of CPU |
| 18:34.36 | TheWaffle | At idle |
| 18:34.39 | TheWaffle | I killed it. |
| 18:35.12 | TheWaffle | Like when I killed the script. I saw that whole maxed core go back down to 0 |
| 18:36.04 | rwp | TheWaffle, You see that when you looked at htop on your screen I am sure it used color to show the different parts of the bar graph. But those colors did not paste into the pastebin. Making it relatively not useful. :-( |
| 18:36.28 | rwp | In order to show it effectively one needs to defeat the htop colors so that it uses characters instead. |
| 18:36.47 | TheWaffle | Why not? You saw the %'s no? |
| 18:37.15 | rwp | Compare Mem[||||||||||#***************************************************************3.50G/31.3G] |
| 18:37.21 | rwp | To Mem[|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||5.35G/31.4G] |
| 18:37.24 | rwp | The first is useful. The second is relatively useless. |
| 18:37.46 | TheWaffle | uhh...You still see the memory usage..... |
| 18:37.57 | greycat | I just look at the numbers and ignore the |s. |
| 18:38.08 | rwp | The first shows that userland processes are taking up 3.5G out of 31.3G as the numbers indicate. But the ratio of # for I/O buffers and * for filesystem buffer cache is then also shown clearly. |
| 18:38.33 | TheWaffle | http://paste.debian.net/1091800/ |
| 18:38.33 | jmcnaught | I just use free, is there a reason to use htop instead? |
| 18:38.52 | TheWaffle | htop is just like a task manager. |
| 18:39.00 | TheWaffle | It's like top but more of a GUI |
| 18:39.05 | rwp | jmcnaught, htop gives a nice bar graph. It's a spacial display. I like it specifically for that reason. |
| 18:39.28 | rwp | However if one is a numbers only person then free is the better choice. Or cat /proc/meminfo |
| 18:39.38 | TheWaffle | What's a tool I can use to monitor Network connections per port etc |
| 18:40.03 | rwp | TheWaffle, Ah! So much more clear! :-) |
| 18:40.17 | greycat | A better UI design would be for htop to use the different punctuation characters *as well as* the different colors, regardless of the TERM. |
| 18:40.37 | TheWaffle | chuckles |
| 18:40.39 | rwp | greycat, I agree! |
| 18:40.46 | TheWaffle | Politics |
| 18:41.04 | TheWaffle | I should try to hang out here and learn a thing or two. |
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| 18:41.27 | greycat | It's important for accessibility as well as this niche case of sharing pasted terminal characters. |
| 18:41.42 | greycat | Some people have colorblindness or other visual shortfalls. |
| 18:42.01 | TheWaffle | manages his own VestaCP install, Proxmox install, IRC server, Wordpress, Anope, A supybot, and a factorio server. |
| 18:42.23 | TheWaffle | Factorio server has been unused idk why I had on it. I kinda had it on as a "Free service" |
| 18:42.30 | rwp | I have two very good friends that are deeply red-green color blind. I always hear about the bad interfaces that use only color. |
| 18:42.36 | rwp | Statistically 1 out of 12 males in the US are red-green color blind to some extend. |
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| 18:43.28 | TheWaffle | http://paste.debian.net/1091801/ :D |
| 18:43.35 | TheWaffle | Small network. But I am proud of it. |
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| 18:44.05 | rwp | TheWaffle, Old proverb, "The journey of 10,000 miles begins with the first step." |
| 18:44.14 | TheWaffle | rwp Thanks. |
| 18:44.42 | TheWaffle | I mean I remember the day's when I had like....10 people |
| 18:44.47 | TheWaffle | Or worse. None :D |
| 18:45.11 | TheWaffle | Now it's 30-50 people online at a time, A bit underkill for a whole IRCD |
| 18:46.18 | TheWaffle | wouldn't mind someone who knew marketing, design or whatever / community management to PM him :D |
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| 18:47.20 | rwp | has often said, "People are the problem. It's why we can't have nice things." so will just remain silent. |
| 18:47.40 | TheWaffle | heh. |
| 18:48.39 | idle- | rwp: props |
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| 18:51.32 | tomnor | I have problems with graphics on a computer with nvidia 610M |
| 18:51.56 | tomnor | Installed nouveau and purged the nvidia legacy driver |
| 18:52.07 | tomnor | but fail to configure something |
| 18:52.33 | dvs | rwp, damn right! |
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| 18:53.34 | tomnor | The nouveau driver is not loaded |
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| 18:53.54 | tomnor | I can modprobe it and modprobe -r remove the nvidia driver and then gui can start |
| 18:54.10 | tomnor | but it doesn't stick during a reboot |
| 18:54.15 | tomnor | what can I do? |
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| 18:54.43 | clouddancer | G'dAY |
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| 18:56.07 | clouddancer | Is there somebody hwo could help me too become ssmtp running? |
| 18:56.15 | clouddancer | to get sorry |
| 18:57.10 | OerHeks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:57.38 | petn-randall | clouddancer: It usually helps if you ask specific questions, then people knowledgable will respond. |
| 18:58.33 | clouddancer | I get a Error Message "None Zero Status" by trying to send out a email via command line |
| 18:58.37 | tomnor | where can I read about replacing nvidia-legacy driver with nouveau driver on buster |
| 18:58.41 | clouddancer | an |
| 18:59.25 | petn-randall | !nouveau |
| 18:59.25 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:59.39 | petn-randall | clouddancer: This might help ^^^ |
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| 19:01.47 | BCMM | tomnor: i know this is kind of a backwards way of looking at it, but this page more or less has your answer https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Backing_out_in_case_of_failure |
| 19:02.28 | clouddancer | I want to get ssmtp running on a raspberry pi model 3 on buster os, I followed a few instructions but it wont work correctly |
| 19:02.50 | clouddancer | using gmail smtp mailhub |
| 19:03.08 | karlpinc | !errors |
| 19:03.08 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 19:04.02 | clouddancer | okay sorry |
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| 19:05.44 | clouddancer | the only error message it throws is mail: can not be send. Process ended with a none-zero status |
| 19:06.09 | greycat | That's when you read the log files. |
| 19:06.18 | clouddancer | maybe ssmtp is outdated by now |
| 19:06.21 | friendlyGoat | i accidentally deleted /lib on debian 9.9 when trying to delete something of the same name in a folder i was in and now i cant boot and i have no idea how to recover from this and im very angry, anything i can do? |
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| 19:07.16 | clouddancer | just a moment I ll have a quick look at the particular logfile |
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| 19:09.37 | BCMM | clouddancer: are you running debian buster or raspbian buster? |
| 19:10.51 | Lirion | @friendlyGoat: 1. stay cool :) 2. cheat. copy the /lib content from an essential installation, e.g. from a live system running on your defective box, to the /lib dir of your defective box. try to boot this way somehow. then reinstall all your packages. I once recovered a fedora installation that way where /bin was gone and /lib was partially removed |
| 19:10.53 | BCMM | (raspbian is very similar to debian, but it comes with quite a few things set up differently by default, so it might be worth asking in #raspberrypi if this is raspbian) |
| 19:11.40 | friendlyGoat | im thinking of taking my old xubuntu installation disc and booting on that then copying /lib over |
| 19:11.44 | friendlyGoat | @lirion |
| 19:12.16 | Robby | hmm, anyone here ever do a netinstall on a laptop using the non-free firmware iso (such as firmware-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso)? I could boot with it, configure the wireless, do the netinstall fine, but after it finished and rebooted the wireless configuration appears to not have been saved and so there's no connection |
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| 19:12.19 | BCMM | friendlyGoat: xubuntu is not debian. those libraries will not be the same versions that your programs expect to find |
| 19:12.23 | Robby | I guess my question is, is that normal? :P |
| 19:12.44 | _Vi | How do I submit a bug report to Debian without setting up outgoing mail access on the host? |
| 19:12.50 | friendlyGoat | damn, i have another disc thats a debian net inst but that just takes me to the normal installer unless thats what i want |
| 19:13.07 | greycat | _Vi: save the bug report to a file, paste it into an email that you create however you CAN create email |
| 19:13.08 | Lirion | ubuntu != debian, you will have different package versions thus different libraries. plus things that are installed on your xubuntu that aren't on your debian.hence the idea of taking a fresh and rather slim installation of a matching debian for this trick. @friendlyGoat |
| 19:13.09 | clouddancer | @ BC; |
| 19:13.20 | clouddancer | @BCCM rasbian |
| 19:13.31 | BCMM | friendlyGoat: i think the install disks have a shell on VT2 |
| 19:13.47 | friendlyGoat | my debian netinst is 9.9 would that have VT2? |
| 19:14.03 | BCMM | i think so... try it! boot it and press ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 19:14.10 | greycat | friendlyGoat: "VT2" is the second Linux console. /dev/tty2. Accessed by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2. |
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| 19:14.21 | clouddancer | I give it up for today |
| 19:14.29 | clouddancer | thx a lot at all |
| 19:14.34 | clouddancer | bye |
| 19:15.46 | friendlyGoat | i think im on it, i typed help in a prompt that said Boot> and it said "this is a debian 9 installation cd rom" with a list of things |
| 19:16.03 | BCMM | i'm pretty sure you're in grub, not linux |
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| 19:16.14 | BCMM | boot the installer, *then* change VT to get a shell |
| 19:16.27 | friendlyGoat | oh oops pardon, im out of it today |
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| 19:17.41 | friendlyGoat | i got it im in the shell |
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| 19:18.41 | j0hannes | How can I find out if rfc8275 has been implemented in my NFS package? |
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| 19:19.36 | _Vi | Is reportbug-ng a good way to contribute a bug report to Debian? I tried, but got confused. |
| 19:19.53 | BCMM | friendlyGoat: i *think* you can do this with `apt-get -o RootDir=/blah`, to get a cleaner solution than just copying lib |
| 19:19.58 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 19:20.41 | _Vi | greycat, I don't see anything about reportbug-ng there. |
| 19:20.43 | friendlyGoat | im a little confused as to how i'd copy lib on this cd to lib on my machine |
| 19:21.15 | BCMM | friendlyGoat: you'd mount your root directory, and then copy it over using cp |
| 19:21.15 | greycat | friendlyGoat: mount, cd, cp -a, umount |
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| 19:21.51 | BCMM | friendlyGoat: please don't take this the wrong way, but if that doesn't sound trivial, this might not be the right approach for you |
| 19:22.15 | BCMM | they'll be some cleanup to come that requires that you actually understand what your doing |
| 19:22.20 | friendlyGoat | its fine and all |
| 19:22.26 | friendlyGoat | is there a better way then? |
| 19:22.43 | greycat | The only 100% sure way is to reinstall from scratch, and then restore your data from the most recent backup. |
| 19:23.01 | BCMM | the cleanest solution is probably to back up config changes from /etc/, save the list of installed packages, and start again with a fresh install |
| 19:23.18 | greycat | Replacing /lib from a rescue system is a "maybe it'll work" approach, and if it does work, great! Celebrate by making a new backup. |
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| 19:24.37 | BCMM | in any case, i think the rescue cd thing would be better done by using the cd's copy of apt to reinstall enough dependencies of apt to get the system's apt running again |
| 19:25.09 | BCMM | copying /lib/ seems like a great way to get files that apt doesn't know about, or that aren't the same version that apt thinks they are |
| 19:25.21 | greycat | extra libs shouldn't hurt |
| 19:25.31 | tomnor | BCMM: thanks, I have seen https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Backing_out_in_case_of_failure and it didn't do it for me, but almost |
| 19:25.49 | tomnor | the dpkg output helped me (pointer to readme.debian) |
| 19:26.18 | tomnor | information I just couldn't guess myself |
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| 19:26.37 | tomnor | "select /usr/lib/mesa-diverted" |
| 19:27.12 | tomnor | now next question, how does one configure underscan for display? |
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| 19:27.42 | gregor2 | I cant get the network working for qemu with debian host. I tried no parameter invoking qemu-system-x86_64 and this discription https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Host_and_guests_on_same_network because thats what i want in the end (bridge). Nothing works. (Trying to ping 8.8.8.8 from debian 10 amd64 dvd-1) |
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| 19:39.17 | BCMM | tomnor: i'm slightly confused that that's still a thing... |
| 19:39.58 | BCMM | i've never seen an hdmi display where you couldn't disable overscan |
| 19:40.38 | BCMM | anyway, looks like you can do it with xrandr |
| 19:41.17 | karlpinc | gregor2: In order to help we'd need to know how you have it setup. You could pastebin your configs.... |
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| 19:45.19 | gregor2 | i just installed qemu-kvm package and started the vm with the command: "qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom /home/user0/gre/srv/debian/debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso -drive driver=raw,media=disk,file=arch.img -m 4096 -enable-kvm" |
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| 19:47.44 | zmeu | hello, can someone help me to configure my pppoe-server +ipv6? if I do ping6 google.com I got "connect: Network is unreachable" |
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| 19:50.23 | karlpinc | gregor2: Any firewalling going on? (I don't know much about qemu, so don't know that I can help much.) |
| 19:51.19 | BCMM | gregor2: under normal circumstances, that should "just work", at least for normal internet-access activities |
| 19:51.22 | gregor2 | :w |
| 19:51.27 | epsilon | gregor2: you just want kvm with bridge network running? or need to run with qemu... command? |
| 19:51.43 | karlpinc | zmeu: What is the current config? (You know not to paste into the channel, right?) What do the logs say? |
| 19:52.11 | BCMM | gregor2: what does `ip addr` show, in the vm? |
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| 19:52.16 | karlpinc | zmeu: It's been a while since I've done pppoe. Do you have routing setup? |
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| 19:53.16 | gregor2 | I will try ip addr in arch linux. and where are the logs? |
| 19:53.39 | BCMM | gregor2: where does arch come in to this? |
| 19:54.14 | sideone | hey all.. trying to capture remote traffic from a kali vm (deb 4.19.37) to a windows workstation running wireshark. ive tried tcpdump and tshark, but am getting an error using the command plink.exe -ssh root@192.168.92.129 tcpdump -i eth0 -s0 -w - not port 22 | "C:\Program Files\Wireshark\Wireshark.exe" -k -i - .. the error is: data written to the pipe is neither in a supported pcap format nor in pcapng format |
| 19:54.28 | gregor2 | Because it has a shell and i can type ip add |
| 19:54.32 | coruja | !kali |
| 19:54.32 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 19:54.34 | gregor2 | should i do it with debian |
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| 19:54.56 | gregor2 | Network does not work for either of them. |
| 19:55.08 | zmeu | karlpinc: http://dpaste.com/3CVT8FJ |
| 19:55.53 | gregor2 | well i dont know how to copy something from the vm. |
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| 19:58.14 | swift | sad |
| 19:58.16 | karlpinc | zmeu: What does "ip route" say? |
| 19:58.30 | swift | shows the path a packet takes? |
| 19:58.54 | zmeu | karlpinc: http://dpaste.com/3QD0YSA |
| 19:59.00 | karlpinc | gregor2: If you're in a GUI you can highlight by selecting with the mouse and paste with the middle mouse button. |
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| 20:00.11 | gregor2 | it does not work |
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| 20:02.11 | BCMM | karlpinc: the stuff gregor2 would like to copy is in a vm without network access |
| 20:02.21 | BCMM | no, you can't just copy and paste from a vm |
| 20:02.43 | BCMM | (as far as x is concerned, the vm's window is just one big pixmap) |
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| 20:04.22 | gregor2 | http://91.115.72.133/screenshot.png |
| 20:04.25 | gregor2 | alright i got it |
| 20:04.46 | karlpinc | BCMM: Really. Thanks. |
| 20:05.08 | gregor2 | BCMM: I got ip add |
| 20:05.52 | karlpinc | zmeu: What does "ip addr" say? (I'm wondering if ppp0 even gets a publicly routable ipv6 addr.) |
| 20:06.01 | BCMM | gregor2: huh, that looks like it should be working. check `ip route` |
| 20:06.58 | zmeu | karlpinc: http://dpaste.com/2DMQ0AE |
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| 20:08.28 | gregor2 | cp Screenshot\ at\ 2019-07-16\ 22-00-18.png /var/www/html/ |
| 20:08.39 | gregor2 | http://91.115.72.133/screenshot2.png |
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| 20:09.51 | BCMM | gregor2: hang on, how did you test connectivity to the network? just by pinging? |
| 20:10.00 | gregor2 | yes |
| 20:10.10 | BCMM | gregor2: qemu's user-mode NAT doesn't support ping! sorry i missed that! |
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| 20:10.49 | BCMM | gregor2: it'll NAT ordinary udp or tcp traffic just fine, but it can't do the raw icmp magic needed for ping |
| 20:11.00 | gregor2 | ok |
| 20:11.06 | gregor2 | What could i try else? |
| 20:11.11 | BCMM | (in part because you kind of need to be root to generate those packets; ping is installed suid typically) |
| 20:11.15 | BCMM | gregor2: curl |
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| 20:11.34 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
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| 20:11.53 | BCMM | curl icanhazip.com is a decent one, because it won't muck up your terminal with a million lines of html |
| 20:12.04 | gregor2 | lol |
| 20:12.10 | woili | hello! anyone have an idea where i can find xcb-composite? |
| 20:12.11 | gregor2 | i was able to use wget |
| 20:12.15 | Psi-Jack | I'm trying to install nodejs and npm on Debian 9.9, but when I do `apt install npm` it complains a lot of versions are required that are >= what would be installed. |
| 20:12.28 | greycat | (in recent Debian, ping is not setuid, but uses getcap(8) instead) |
| 20:12.34 | gregor2 | ok So network is working then |
| 20:12.52 | BCMM | greycat: oh cool, didn't know about that |
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| 20:14.04 | gregor2 | And how can i config it the way that ping is working to? I actually want kind of like a bridge such that i see the vm in my network. |
| 20:14.34 | woili | i tried install libxcb-composite0 but it didnt work |
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| 20:14.58 | zmeu | karlpinc: if i do "ip6tables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eno1 -j MASQUERADE" seems work |
| 20:14.59 | BCMM | gregor2: so, what you get by default is limited, but requires 0 setup. it's basically a network that exists entirely within the qemu-system process |
| 20:15.20 | zmeu | karlpinc: but internally "From 2a0c:b641:565:aaaa::1 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable" |
| 20:15.36 | BCMM | gregor2: when you try to make a connection out to the network, qemu itself acts as a NAT router, and it makes a corresponding connection (coming from the qemu process) for you |
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| 20:16.19 | BCMM | gregor2: the alternative is to set up tun/tap, so you have a network interface on the host machine that the linux kernel actually knows about, and connect qemu to that |
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| 20:16.59 | BCMM | but in that mode, you'll need to set some stuff up, because you'll be using standard debian stuff to configure the interface instead of qemu doing everything internally |
| 20:17.18 | BCMM | (i mean in the default mode, qemu even has a completely internal dhcp server to give an ip address to the guest, etc.) |
| 20:17.42 | Guest98954 | karlpinc: i got disconect |
| 20:17.53 | Guest98954 | 23:14 < zmeu> karlpinc: if i do "ip6tables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eno1 -j MASQUERADE" seems work |
| 20:17.56 | Guest98954 | 23:15 < zmeu> karlpinc: but internally "From 2a0c:b641:565:aaaa::1 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable" |
| 20:18.03 | BCMM | gregor2: as you see on https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Host_and_guests_on_same_network it uses the `-net tap` option to qemu |
| 20:18.04 | gregor2 | I think t ried that with those instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Host_and_guests_on_same_network |
| 20:18.21 | gregor2 | yes that was exactly what i did |
| 20:18.32 | gregor2 | But lets see maybe its already working to. |
| 20:18.38 | BCMM | gregor2: i thought you said you were running qemu with no -net param at all? |
| 20:19.06 | BCMM | earlier you said "qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom /home/user0/gre/srv/debian/debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso -drive driver=raw,media=disk,file=arch.img -m 4096 -enable-kvm" |
| 20:20.05 | tomnor | BCMM: about the underscan, my tv is rather old, just looked for settings about this, couldn't find it |
| 20:20.30 | BCMM | tomnor: old as in your using analog tv-out? |
| 20:20.42 | tomnor | BCMM: and yes, you can adjust this with xrandr but that doesn't stick by default, so now searching for how to configure |
| 20:20.59 | BCMM | i've often found it hidden in the aspect ratio menu, called something like pixel-for-pixel |
| 20:21.09 | tomnor | not available |
| 20:21.21 | tomnor | its a samsung about 15 years old |
| 20:21.41 | gregor2 | yes but i also tried that one |
| 20:21.55 | tomnor | well, I can't find anything at least |
| 20:22.31 | BCMM | gregor2: did you manually configure the network inside the guest as well? |
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| 20:22.54 | BCMM | if you're not using qemu's default internal NAT thing, you don't get a dhcp server for free |
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| 20:23.11 | BCMM | (you can either run a real dhcp server on the host, or just set up the network manually) |
| 20:23.37 | gregor2 | right now i am trying it like that: qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom /home/user0/gre/srv/debian/debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso -drive driver=raw,media=disk,file=arch.img -m 4096 -enable-kvm -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no |
| 20:23.44 | gregor2 | exacly like in the wiki |
| 20:24.16 | gregor2 | But it did not work the last time i tried that. |
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| 20:26.31 | gregor2 | BCMM: I configured it manually with the debian install dvd. |
| 20:27.51 | karlpinc | Guest98954: Busy. Maybe somebody else can chime in and help. |
| 20:28.48 | gregor2 | I am getting this now: http://91.115.72.133/screenshot3.png |
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| 20:29.11 | BCMM | gregor2: does tap0 look normal on the host? |
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| 20:30.10 | gregor2 | https://pastebin.com/YUkB470Q |
| 20:30.16 | BCMM | hang on, i said something misleading earlier... |
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| 20:30.39 | BCMM | i forgot you were bridging the tap to your ethernet. you shouldn't need to manually set up the net in the guest |
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| 20:30.53 | BCMM | it should be able to get an address from your router with dhcp |
| 20:31.08 | gregor2 | It does not work with dhcp either. |
| 20:31.41 | BCMM | is your lan really in 10.0.0.*? |
| 20:31.46 | gregor2 | yes |
| 20:32.06 | gregor2 | Look at the pastebin my ip is 10.0.0.129. |
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| 20:32.54 | jmcnaught | According to bridge-utils-interfaces(5) 'bridge_ports all' 'is short for "regex eth.* em.* p[0-9].* noregex"'⦠so maybe instead of all you should use the interface name enp3s0 |
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| 20:34.14 | jmcnaught | gregor2: have you done a paste of your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:34.43 | gregor2 | So just enp3s0 instead of all? |
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| 20:35.18 | jmcnaught | yeah |
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| 20:35.46 | gregor2 | Here is the pastebin of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:35.53 | gregor2 | https://pastebin.com/dWe3v4YW |
| 20:35.55 | jmcnaught | might be just the man page wasn't updated but I don't think that expression would match your interface name |
| 20:36.31 | gregor2 | That sounds like pretty good idea. |
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| 20:36.56 | gregor2 | Does not matter. I think that expression is better anyway. |
| 20:37.11 | gregor2 | But i dont know anything about this config file. |
| 20:37.26 | gregor2 | how can i reload all that network stuff now? |
| 20:37.34 | jmcnaught | gregor2: change 'iface enp3s0 inet static' to 'iface enp3s0 inet manual', 'iface br0 inet dhcp' to 'iface br0 inet static', then move the address, gateway and dns-servers lines into the br0 stanza |
| 20:37.51 | gregor2 | I see |
| 20:37.57 | jmcnaught | It's br0 that gets an IP address, not the ethernet interface that is bridged to it. |
| 20:38.10 | gregor2 | and how can i then apply the changes |
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| 20:39.29 | jmcnaught | gregor2: use 'ifdown enp3s0 && ifdown br0 && ifup br0' however I would also test that it works on boot too |
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| 20:40.34 | gregor2 | I gess i will just reboot |
| 20:40.41 | gregor2 | see you later |
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| 20:44.04 | tomnor | BCMM: not analogue in no. HDMI |
| 20:44.16 | gregor2 | The configuration is working. |
| 20:44.24 | MACscr | is there a simple command to find out the assigned dhcp address? i find it odd that its not something available with the ip command |
| 20:44.55 | jmcnaught | gregor2: including in the VM? |
| 20:45.12 | gregor2 | Yes |
| 20:45.22 | gregor2 | ping is a little high from the vm |
| 20:45.49 | gregor2 | no actually its from the host to |
| 20:46.08 | gregor2 | 1.5 ms seemd a little high for me but i guess that is normal |
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| 20:47.26 | gregor2 | its working quite well now |
| 20:48.22 | jim | hi, I'm trying to figure out minissdpd, and it's asking me which interface should be listened to for upnp queries... if this is for discovering devices, shouldn't it be all happening on the same machine? |
| 20:48.24 | karlpinc | MACscr: 'ip addr' should should show addresses obtained by dhcp, but won't distinguish the address from staticlly assigned addresses. Otherwise, you need to look at the dhclient logs. |
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| 20:48.53 | gregor2 | but what if i would have written the static ip in the enp3s0 section? |
| 20:49.15 | gregor2 | Would that work to and why not if it doesnt? |
| 20:50.16 | jmcnaught | I don't have an explanation for why, but I use a bridge set up like the examples on this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 20:50.38 | gregor2 | ah i see |
| 20:50.39 | jmcnaught | I didn't need to set up the tap0 for a non-root user because I use libvirt |
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| 20:51.50 | gregor2 | ok |
| 20:51.57 | gregor2 | Well thank you! |
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| 20:54.03 | MACscr | karlpinc ah, thanks |
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| 21:01.15 | Jerrynicki | just a quick question: is there a site which lists recently updated packages? |
| 21:02.00 | greycat | There's one for security updates. Do you also want point releases? There might be one for those too. |
| 21:02.22 | greycat | If you mean "in testing/unstable", this is the wrong place to ask. |
| 21:02.34 | Jerrynicki | oh, i see |
| 21:02.48 | Jerrynicki | i'll go ask in #debian-next then |
| 21:03.02 | greycat | If you also want to include buster-updates (not security and not yet in a point release, but slated for future point release), then I honestly don't know. |
| 21:03.54 | Jerrynicki | no, i don't need that |
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| 21:30.24 | crimson_king | jmcnaught, About that Xorg problem from today... I installed GDM and set it as the display manager, and it worked, and I can get to the desktop with it. Then I tried LightDM again: black screen. Then I tried using startx and startxfce4: Xorg won't start, complains about not finding a valid framebuffer device. GDM is the only way so far. I wonder why. I sent logs to an existing bug report that seems to be the same issue, but it's from years ago |
| 21:30.25 | crimson_king | and affects Debian 8 and 9, while here it only breaks on Debian 10. |
| 21:30.39 | crimson_king | from yesterday* |
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| 21:32.12 | jmcnaught | crimson_king: gdm runs in wayland by default. If you started an xfce session that would be Xorg though. |
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| 21:41.21 | jim | hi, still trying to understand this minissdp thing, it says it only wants to get local notifications, but it's asking me if I want my wireless interface (the only one other than lo on that machine)... I don't get exactly what it does, and I'd like to know more... can someone help with that? |
| 21:42.21 | MACscr | ive always use bridges with LXC as my containers have always been in a NAT environment. In this particular use case, im simply going to run two containers on a third party kvm based vps. Whats the other networking type? I know there is something that allows me to simply forward ports, but i cant think of it |
| 21:42.45 | MACscr | i swear it used to be the default setup, but it i dont see any networking by default anymore |
| 21:44.02 | Mathisen | ,v minissdp |
| 21:44.03 | judd | No package named 'minissdp' was found in amd64. |
| 21:44.17 | Mathisen | ,v minissdpd |
| 21:44.18 | judd | Package: minissdpd on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u2; stretch: 1.2.20130907-4.1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.2.20130907-4.1+deb9u1; bullseye: 1.5.20190210-1; buster: 1.5.20190210-1; sid: 1.5.20190210-1 |
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| 21:45.28 | jim | if it matters, I'm now upgrading the machine to buster |
| 21:45.48 | Mathisen | MACscr, it could be transmission that wants it as dep if you using that. anyway it is for UPnP so if you dont need that you can remove it |
| 21:46.17 | MACscr | Mathisen wrong person? |
| 21:46.30 | Mathisen | yes |
| 21:46.32 | Mathisen | :) |
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| 21:46.51 | Mathisen | was ment for jim |
| 21:46.56 | jmcnaught | I just remove minissdpd |
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| 21:47.46 | jim | jmcnaught, you remove it because you don't need its functionality? |
| 21:48.22 | Scriptonaut | hey all, I have a stale nfsmount. I've tried umounting it with -lf, it won't umount. I've tried mount -o remount /mountpoint. I did an lsof -b | grep 'mountpoint', and I get nothing |
| 21:48.31 | Scriptonaut | any advice on how I can umount this stale nfs drive? |
| 21:48.37 | jim | Mathisen, transmission, the bittorrent client/ |
| 21:48.38 | jim | ? |
| 21:48.47 | Mathisen | jim, yes |
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| 21:50.44 | jim | any idea what transmission wants with minissdp? |
| 21:51.45 | jmcnaught | transmission might not use it, transmission depends on libnatpmp1 which suggests minissdpd |
| 21:52.21 | jmcnaught | transmission would depend on minissdpd itself if it used it |
| 21:53.25 | hypn0 | Scriptonaut: have you tried the file manager or gparted |
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| 21:56.40 | Scriptonaut | hypn0: there is no file manager this is a headless server |
| 21:56.46 | Scriptonaut | no gparted, only parted |
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| 21:57.39 | hypn0 | gnome-disk-utility also you can install them |
| 21:58.03 | jim | Scriptonaut, you could install x client libs on it and ssh in with -X and run (for example) gparted |
| 21:58.04 | Scriptonaut | I can't install them, this is a headless server, there is no X server |
| 21:58.10 | jmcnaught | I don't know how much disk tools will help with an NFS issue anyways |
| 21:58.39 | jim | is this headless server within a few feet of you? |
| 21:58.54 | Scriptonaut | 3000 miles away |
| 21:59.01 | jim | oh ok |
| 21:59.05 | Scriptonaut | if I can find the pids of the things accessing it I could kill them |
| 21:59.10 | petn-randall | Nothing an ICBM can't hit. |
| 21:59.13 | Scriptonaut | but lsof -b | grep 'mountpoint' isn't giving me anything |
| 21:59.23 | jim | thennn, you might find that approach slow :) |
| 22:04.13 | noln | is anything mounted or swapon'ed from that nfs? |
| 22:05.11 | Scriptonaut | not sure what you mean by swapon'ed |
| 22:05.21 | Scriptonaut | yes I mounted it, the issue is I can't unmount it |
| 22:05.49 | Mathisen | Scriptonaut, what does lsblk show for you ? |
| 22:07.42 | hypn0 | you tried umount -f -l /mnt/myfolder |
| 22:07.52 | Scriptonaut | Mathisen: no mention of the nfs drive |
| 22:08.00 | Scriptonaut | hypn0: yes |
| 22:08.06 | Mathisen | Scriptonaut, then it is not mounted |
| 22:08.08 | Scriptonaut | it doesn't work (first time I've ever had that command not work) |
| 22:08.31 | Scriptonaut | Mathisen: I can't ls the mountpoint |
| 22:08.34 | Scriptonaut | it's locked up, like it's still mounted |
| 22:09.53 | Scriptonaut | also the df command, as well as the fuser command just hangs |
| 22:10.04 | Mathisen | hmmm |
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| 22:10.19 | Scriptonaut | and lsblk isn't for nfs drives I don't think |
| 22:10.21 | Scriptonaut | it's for physical drives |
| 22:10.39 | Scriptonaut | it doesn't show up on my other server that has the same nfs drive mounted |
| 22:10.50 | noln | I mean any of mount /export/disk_image /local/dir ; swapon /export/swap_file |
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| 22:13.25 | Mathisen | Scriptonaut, well kill it then >> sudo systemctl restart nfs-kernel-server |
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| 22:27.18 | Scriptonaut | Mathisen: you mean on the nfs server? |
| 22:27.38 | Scriptonaut | I'm worried about doing that, currently the client that is stale is a dev server, there are multiple production servers that are nfs clients to the nfs server |
| 22:27.43 | Mathisen | nope the client that had the mount issue |
| 22:28.08 | Scriptonaut | there is no kernel server on the client |
| 22:28.10 | Scriptonaut | there is nfs-common |
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| 22:30.09 | Mathisen | my bad im was thinking kinda wrong here.. yes need to restart service on server then.. i understand if that is a bad idea |
| 22:30.57 | Mathisen | and that would not even help what it sounds like now |
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| 22:34.02 | Toba | I have a question related to dpkg and dpkg-configure. How can I determine when and why such operations ran on my machine, or even better, completely prevent it from occurring without blocking package installation? |
| 22:34.12 | Mathisen | Scriptonaut, my plan was to restart the servuce that made problem for you.. and now after some google-fu it semms like idmapd is the name of the service that nfs-common runs. so restart that instead |
| 22:34.51 | Scriptonaut | couldn't find that service on the machine Mathisen |
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| 22:36.29 | Toba | I am trying to build a docker image that contains some static content and apache binaries, but does *not* include the /etc files for apache. I can explain why if anyone wants but I'd rather not go into it. The problem I'm having after the process of installing apache into this debian docker image, I'm using rm -rf /etc/apache2. Somehow, after this, /etc/apache2 still exists. I think maybe somehow aptd is bein |
| 22:36.36 | Toba | g started up in the background and doing dpkg reconfiguration when I don't want it to |
| 22:37.08 | Mathisen | Scriptonaut, 2 sec checking myself on a vm now |
| 22:37.46 | Toba | I guess I could do my rm verbose, or do an ls or something afterward, but I'm not sure I would be able to catch whatever is happening in the act |
| 22:37.48 | Mathisen | Scriptonaut, rpcbind.service |
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| 22:40.49 | Scriptonaut | Mathisen: thanks |
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| 22:41.10 | Mathisen | can you atleast run df again now ? |
| 22:41.28 | Scriptonaut | hmm, restarting that didn't work |
| 22:41.29 | Scriptonaut | and no I can't |
| 22:41.40 | Mathisen | :( |
| 22:41.42 | Scriptonaut | I restarted rcpbind, restarted nfs-common, then tried to umount -lf /mountpoint |
| 22:42.45 | Mathisen | time to dive into logs then.. something must fail somewhere |
| 22:42.48 | Scriptonaut | thre is a process called nfsiod and nfsv4.0-svc, they look a bit suss |
| 22:43.49 | Scriptonaut | I wonder if I could kill that |
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| 22:45.14 | noln | Toba, why? |
| 22:45.18 | noln | There are /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/dpkg.log but I'm confident that apt and dpkg, in the default configuration, do not run without your express consent, let alone write |
| 22:46.00 | Toba | I guess I will add more debugging commands in and hope I can figure out the puzzle then |
| 22:46.11 | Toba | I will try to look at those log files also |
| 22:47.21 | jim | are you debugging a script? |
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| 22:47.52 | jim | oh, package installing run? |
| 22:48.01 | Toba | I'm debugging a dockerfile's scripted behaviour to install apache and remove its configs |
| 22:48.06 | Toba | and the configs do not want to die |
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| 22:48.11 | Toba | I don't really get it |
| 22:48.24 | Toba | like, rm -rf somehow silently did nothing maybe? I'm checking whether that's the case or not now |
| 22:48.52 | Toba | oh man I have it, I think |
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| 22:49.32 | Toba | https://pastebin.com/a1VYbBY6 |
| 22:49.37 | Toba | spooky, right? |
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| 22:50.40 | Toba | that's the end of the output of `rm -rvf /etc/apache2` |
| 22:50.57 | Toba | followed immediately by the files still being there. Very unusual in my opinion |
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| 22:51.18 | Toba | I'll check the dpkg.log.. |
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| 22:56.19 | MACscr | anyone running lxc on debian 10 yet? im not having any luck with the basic networking |
| 22:58.52 | jim | I'll take a stab.,, MACscr, what kind of machine? |
| 22:59.07 | jim | and no, I don't think I've used lxc before |
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| 23:02.32 | MACscr | jim ah, just a second. i might be able to approach this differently |
| 23:05.25 | annadane | does unattended upgrades inform you if a system reboot is required? or actions you need to take that unattended upgrades doesn't do itself |
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| 23:09.32 | jim | does debian 10 have rust? |
| 23:10.42 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/stable/rust/ |
| 23:13.27 | jim | annadane, thanks... I also searched, I did apt-cache search rust | sort | less |
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| 23:22.28 | ghormoon | hi, any ideas where to look in when the xserver doesn't have the /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 socket at fisrt, but if i restart it (cither cztrl-alt-backspace or just kill it) it does? thought it was some /tmp mount issue but seems not |
| 23:22.44 | ghormoon | also since dit=upgrade to debian 10, NM stopped looking for hidden wifis :( |
| 23:23.15 | met | ,v rust |
| 23:23.16 | judd | No package named 'rust' was found in amd64. |
| 23:23.36 | met | ,v rustc |
| 23:23.37 | judd | Package: rustc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb8u4; stretch: 1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u4; bullseye: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1; buster: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.35.0+dfsg1-1; experimental: 1.36.0+dfsg1-1~exp1 |
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| 23:31.26 | jim | met, yeah, when I did the apt-cache, I saw rustc and the cargo stuff, which is all I remember about rust so far |
| 23:31.26 | berndj | is jessie (security) ever going to get firefox > 60.7.1? re: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 |
| 23:32.28 | jim | berndj, maybe you should back up then start upgrading to stretch... then upgrade again to buster |
| 23:32.56 | berndj | yeah i might have to. it's just bloody inconvenient |
| 23:33.35 | berndj | just weird tht thunderbird is up to 60.7.2 |
| 23:33.43 | jim | in general, the answer is no,,, if a debian version gets released, it generally does not get new versions of anything |
| 23:34.15 | berndj | well i've certainly gotten new firefoxes over the years |
| 23:34.27 | jim | instead, the same version that was released gets patched |
| 23:35.31 | jim | so have I... but they didn't come from the archives for a released version of debian... they could have come from somewhere outside of debian |
| 23:36.23 | jim | I guess jessie is now old old stable |
| 23:36.38 | jim | since stretch is now old stable |
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| 23:36.58 | ghormoon | another thing that came to my mind, something started calling xscreensaver on suspend (which just gives error it's not installed). also some thing came to do a "desktop" covering my status bar etc. why is so many things autoinstalled when dist-upgrading existing system? |
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| 23:43.14 | noln | !lts |
| 23:43.14 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:43.19 | noln | !jessie-lts |
| 23:43.19 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 23:43.28 | noln | berndj, ^^^^^ |
| 23:44.51 | berndj | ah, no use just waiting for new packages to show up then? |
| 23:46.28 | noln | forget the version number. The only relevant bits are whether it is covered by "security support" or the "security team" |
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| 23:58.29 | berndj | noln, i wasn't looking for some sort of contractual commitment. rather just a likelihood |
