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| 01:14.39 | zero_shane | Hey all - I'm automating Buster via PXE install process. Thought it'd be dead simple to replicate our stretch environment and preseed. Using the same preseed, I'm forced to manually input Mirror and Directory info. Great ... fine ... whatever. I slapped in "mirror/protocol", "mirror/http/hostname" and "mirror/http/directory" d-i directives. And it blows up bad. I'm confused what may have changed to require in |
| 01:14.39 | zero_shane | teractive input for the mirror info - that wasn't required in the preseeds before. |
| 01:15.15 | zero_shane | Any pointers? Places where I can dig around to solve this? I spent a solid hour doing the googely-oogely dance, but no dice. |
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| 01:30.07 | karlpinc | zero_shane: Either the changelog or the source code repo's log? |
| 01:31.03 | karlpinc | zero_shane: Possibly some installer log, if nothing else there's the installer console. |
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| 01:39.04 | zero_shane | @karlpinc - thx - I checked through the debian-installer Buster news postings ... no joy - other than a possible connection "choose-mirror: Update Mirrors.masterlist." - though no smoking gun |
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| 03:27.38 | Debw | hi guys ! |
| 03:27.47 | klys | hello |
| 03:27.57 | dvs | ciao |
| 03:28.36 | supitto | Hi |
| 03:28.38 | supitto | I just fresh installed debian 10 and my path was incomplete (lacking /usr/sbin). Did I screwed something up or is this supposed to be that way? |
| 03:29.00 | klys | well that just depends if it's your path or root's path. |
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| 03:29.04 | jmcnaught | !buster su |
| 03:29.05 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
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| 03:30.02 | dvs | oh snap! |
| 03:31.49 | supitto | both mine and root are without /usr/sbin |
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| 03:32.14 | klys | so I guess the solution may be to downgrade shadow and util-linux |
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| 03:32.19 | jmcnaught | supitto: are you becoming root with 'su'? |
| 03:33.21 | Debw | yes, but is better use "su root" +psw |
| 03:34.42 | supitto | yes, using su - solves the problem |
| 03:35.01 | klys | here I find /bin/su https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/login/filelist |
| 03:35.45 | supitto | Well I must be mistaken, I was sure that normal users had sbin in the PATH. |
| 03:36.02 | klys | no, I don't think that's the way it was. |
| 03:36.03 | jmcnaught | Normal users never had sbin in PATH before. |
| 03:36.06 | Debw | good idea Klys !!! |
| 03:36.32 | jmcnaught | Downgrading shadow and util-linux is not a good idea and completely unnecessary. |
| 03:36.48 | klys | (that's a feature) |
| 03:37.09 | supitto | thanks |
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| 03:58.25 | finn0 | Where does screenshot (image) get save in GNOME (if taken using `prt sc` key)? probably ~/Pictures/screenshots |
| 03:59.12 | jmcnaught | finn0: they show up in ~/Pictures for me |
| 03:59.47 | finn0 | jmcnaught: Can change this one to ~/Pictures/screenshots/ |
| 03:59.50 | finn0 | ? |
| 04:01.35 | finn0 | I'm sure in my previous Debian installation it was ~/Pictures/screenshots/ or may be I have configured something. |
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| 04:03.29 | jmcnaught | finn0: you might need to use dconf-editor to change the default save directory |
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| 04:10.40 | finn0 | jmcnaught: I've dconf-editor but, can't the key which stores value for screenshots directory. |
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| 04:11.28 | jmcnaught | org.gnome.gnome-screenshot.auto-save-directory? |
| 04:11.29 | finn0 | May I should ask this it on #gnome@irc.gnome.org |
| 04:11.54 | jmcnaught | I just searched for screenshot in dconf-editor |
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| 04:12.54 | finn0 | jmcnaught: did you find that key in dconf-editor |
| 04:12.58 | finn0 | ? |
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| 04:14.59 | jmcnaught | finn0: I typed 'screenshot' into the dconf-editor search, the top folder result was /org/gnome/gnome-screenshot/ so I clicked on that, auto-save-directory is the first key listed in the folder |
| 04:15.02 | finn0 | jmcnaught: got it. But, don't understand that when I searched with key "screenshot" didn't find that key. |
| 04:15.15 | finn0 | jmcnaught: thanks. |
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| 04:16.45 | finn0 | anyway, now I find it in first screen. |
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| 04:18.13 | jmcnaught | finn0: you're welcome. I haven't used dconf-editor very much, I'm more of a stick to the defaults kind of person. |
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| 04:25.42 | finn0 | jmcnaught: Gottcha. Actually, when I open dconf-editor I was in folder which comes after gnome-screenshot. And GNOME search works goes down till end. I don't understand shouldn't they rotate in cycle (and information user when reached to key from where they started). This way user can't find key which lies above in current place. |
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| 06:42.16 | Raylier | Hello people, I just installed Debian yesterday and I'm getting used to it. Had a few questions(I am using Gnome). How do I change the default terminal on Gnome from the Gnome termninal to another one(I have built my st built, but I've never used Gnome before and I'm a bit clueless) |
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| 06:57.48 | slax0r | bal |
| 06:57.50 | slax0r | err |
| 06:57.55 | slax0r | wrong window |
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| 06:59.57 | Fox | Raylier: maybe you should ask #gnome |
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| 07:02.45 | jmcnaught | Raylier: what do you mean default terminal? |
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| 07:04.16 | Raylier | As in a terminal emulator |
| 07:04.27 | Raylier | and have it be st instead of the gnome terminal |
| 07:04.47 | Raylier | jmcnaught, ^ |
| 07:05.13 | jmcnaught | how are you launching the terminal, do you have a hotkey for it or something? |
| 07:05.30 | jmcnaught | otherwise why not just launch the one you want instead of the one called terminal? |
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| 07:10.50 | ratrace | Raylier: update-alternatives --set x-terminal-emulator /path/to/terminal/of/choice ; update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator will list choices |
| 07:11.32 | ratrace | but this is assuming you're talking about defaults, when an application launches "default terminal" for some reason ; otherwise you just install which one you want and click its icon to launch |
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| 07:13.00 | Raylier | ratrace, Ok figured out a workaround soulution, the solution you gave above didn't help last tim |
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| 07:13.38 | ratrace | Raylier: and what's the workaround solution |
| 07:14.18 | ratrace | pretty sure the above works, but of course the package has to provide the alternative :: i used to to xchange between gnome and urxvt when I was, for some weird reason, using gnome |
| 07:14.37 | ratrace | s/used to/used that/ |
| 07:14.58 | Raylier | ratrace, Making a desktop entry |
| 07:15.12 | Raylier | Another question I have is how can I remap keys |
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| 07:15.15 | ratrace | ah so the package doesn't provide any |
| 07:15.37 | ratrace | gnome setting applet has options to change shortcuts |
| 07:15.41 | Raylier | no :), I had to compile it |
| 07:15.50 | Raylier | not shortcuts, but remapping keys |
| 07:16.06 | Raylier | As in making my Caps Lock into an escape |
| 07:16.14 | humpled | :þ |
| 07:16.24 | ratrace | you'll have to explain more; not sure I understand what you want |
| 07:16.49 | humpled | you can swap them in /etc/default/keyboard |
| 07:17.49 | jmcnaught | Raylier: run 'Tweaks' go to Keyboard & Mouse, click on the Additional Layout Options button, select Caps lock behaviour |
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| 07:55.49 | vlt | Hello. Since upgrading to buster I get lots of "page allocation failure: order:7" crashes. This seems to be related to https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/3/532 `uname -a` says "4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5 (2019-06-19)". Does this mean that Debian's internal version number is 4.19.0 but it's based on the upstream 4.19.37 release? When will 4.19.50 (that includes the patch) be part of the official Debian |
| 07:55.51 | vlt | kernel? |
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| 07:56.20 | oaudry | hello |
| 07:57.01 | oaudry | I'm trying to migrate my bridge in vlan setup from stretch to buster wo success |
| 07:57.58 | oaudry | On both devices |
| 07:57.58 | oaudry | ip link add link eno2 name eno2.200 type vlan id 200 |
| 07:57.58 | oaudry | ip link add br0 type bridge |
| 07:57.58 | oaudry | ip link set eno2.200 master br0 |
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| 07:58.01 | ratrace | vlt: debian rebases to upstream releases with point release, so I'm guessing maybe with 10.1 if it even includes .50 |
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| 07:58.41 | ratrace | !tell oaudry about paste |
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| 08:00.38 | vlt | ratrace: What could I do to prevent these crashes from happening until a Debian kernel including that patch is officially released? |
| 08:01.15 | oaudry | Hello, I'm trying to migrate my bridge in vlan setup from stretch to buster wo success : http://paste.debian.net/1091839/ |
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| 08:02.10 | oaudry | this setup was ok on stretch but is not working on buster. The vlan to vlan ping works. But when I create a bridge on the vlan I got not connectivity |
| 08:02.33 | ratrace | vlt: that patch seems to be about xen virtual block device; are you on xen? domU? dom0? |
| 08:02.48 | oaudry | If anyone got a clue :) |
| 08:05.02 | vlt | ratrace: Yes, this is on Xen. Both dom0 and domU are Debian 10 buster. The problem occurs in the domU kernel (here at 20:00:03 when a cronjob tries to attach a block device): https://termbin.com/55kq |
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| 08:07.02 | ratrace | vlt: i suppose you could: i) file a bug report to debian BTS with this info, maybe the kernel team could backport the patch; II) wait for point release rebase; III) DIY: https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
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| 08:08.18 | vlt | ratrace: Thank you. |
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| 08:34.11 | garo | I don't have a debian in front of me to check it but am i correct in assuming that /var/log contains kern.log (with dmesg output) and boot.log (with all messages from the boot) ? |
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| 08:36.46 | diogenes_ | garo, correct. |
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| 08:40.34 | garo | thanks |
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| 08:41.26 | zmsn21 | 99 |
| 08:41.50 | pragomer | hi. I was thinking about trying out a rolling distro (e.g. arch) , but I just love debian based systems. would you recommend using a "kind of rolling" distro like siduction, solydx or using just debian with |
| 08:41.53 | pragomer | 1. testing or |
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| 08:41.55 | pragomer | 2. unstable |
| 08:41.57 | pragomer | in sources.list |
| 08:41.59 | pragomer | ? |
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| 08:52.17 | rant | pragomer: what is your interest in rolling? |
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| 08:55.46 | ratrace | testing is rolling-like but the for the price of nonexistent security policy |
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| 08:57.57 | c-moi | Hello, Debian 9 here. I have many addresses on the lo interface (lo:1 ... lo:20). They are set in the /etc/network/interfaces file. When I use "systemct restart networking.service" after a flush (ip addr flush lo) the lo interface does not gain its addresses (lo:1 ... lo:20). Still, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" 'works', as it gives lo its addresses. How so ? Is it because of the --exclude lo in the ExecPreStart and |
| 08:57.57 | c-moi | the ExecStop in the networking.service ? |
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| 09:00.14 | lng | Hi! How may I downgrade PHP7.3.7 to 7.3.6? |
| 09:00.22 | lng | Is there a way of setting minor version for Apt? |
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| 09:01.48 | rant | if its still available on the repo, then you can specify if I recall correctly |
| 09:02.52 | ratrace | 7.3.7 is not in debian even |
| 09:02.57 | ratrace | ,v php7.3 |
| 09:02.58 | judd | Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- bullseye: 7.3.4-2; buster: 7.3.4-2; sid: 7.3.6-1 |
| 09:03.09 | lng | E: Unable to locate package php7.3.6-common |
| 09:03.44 | lng | I use https://packages.sury.org/php/apt.gpg for it |
| 09:04.14 | lng | https://packages.sury.org/php/ |
| 09:04.17 | lng | PPA |
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| 09:05.10 | ratrace | is this even debian |
| 09:05.29 | lng | yes |
| 09:05.37 | ratrace | debian doesn't support PPAs |
| 09:05.52 | ratrace | and sury PPA is for Ubuntu |
| 09:05.58 | Fox | sury is the official php maintainer in debian |
| 09:06.11 | lng | https://packages.sury.org/php/README.txt |
| 09:06.18 | lng | I use this |
| 09:06.24 | lng | maybe it's not PPA |
| 09:06.29 | lng | sorry |
| 09:06.34 | lng | doesn't matter |
| 09:06.35 | ratrace | yeah it's not |
| 09:07.15 | lng | just need to downgrade from 7.3.7 to the closest ancestor |
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| 09:07.30 | drax\wrk- | anyone here right now?, with knowledge that can help me with one thing, thanks |
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| 09:08.09 | ratrace | lng: apt-cache policy <package> i don't know what's the package name from that repo for your php version |
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| 09:09.21 | Bjornn | drax\wrk-, ask |
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| 09:10.45 | drax\wrk- | Im running Debian 9.9.0, everything is working smooth, except my WiFI, so if you could help me with getting it running i would appreciate it alot, (not that good at linux) |
| 09:11.31 | Bjornn | I can't personally help but if you tell specifics maybe someone can |
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| 09:14.05 | drax\wrk- | how do i know what wifi card i have? so i can try to download drivers |
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| 09:15.16 | ratrace | drax\wrk-: lspci -k will list pci based hardware with kernel modules in use |
| 09:15.31 | ratrace | !tell drax\wrk- about paste |
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| 09:16.27 | drax\wrk- | ratrace, i forgot to tell this is a laptop |
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| 09:16.36 | drax\wrk- | if that matters? |
| 09:16.41 | ratrace | it doesn't |
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| 09:17.36 | drax\wrk- | 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59) |
| 09:17.36 | drax\wrk- | Subsystem: Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 |
| 09:17.36 | drax\wrk- | Kernel modules: iwlwifi |
| 09:17.49 | drax\wrk- | how do i find and install this? |
| 09:18.14 | echeveria | itâs nonfree. |
| 09:18.23 | drax\wrk- | i would appreciate so much if you guys could help me get my wifi running... |
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| 09:19.01 | mrig | Hello |
| 09:19.16 | ratrace | drax\wrk-: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Installation |
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| 09:20.33 | mrig | I am experiencing a few bugs using my wacom tablet since updating to debian 10, is there anything that I could try to resolve this? There are often two cursors sen using the device and the cursor that is moving with the pen often totally disappears. |
| 09:20.50 | mrig | my wrist is suffering using the mouse :| |
| 09:22.08 | pragomer | rant: interest in rolling is to find out how stable/unstable going rolling would be. I know I could get latest applications of course in appimage,flatpak,snap format or backports.. its just for trying out. |
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| 09:27.14 | drax\wrk- | Anyone? |
| 09:27.29 | ratrace | drax\wrk-: that wiki link doesn't work for you? |
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| 09:43.28 | enri | labas rytas kaubojai!:)) |
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| 09:53.31 | n1md4 | anyone have success when using xfs_quota? I want to set up a number of projects, but for reasons unknown and despite setting a project path, xfs continues to read other project paths .... https://qbin.io/easier-np-snej |
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| 09:54.06 | n1md4 | sorry, this one https://qbin.io/fix-bay-l07b |
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| 10:30.15 | ansyeb | hello. installed flameshot on debian 10 with gnome 3.30. launching it via Applications -> Graphics -> Flameshot. nothing apperas on the screen. via console I can see the process. what am I doing "wrong"? |
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| 10:30.27 | ansyeb | it used to work just fine with tint2 on slightly older gnome in debian 9 |
| 10:31.03 | ansyeb | it would appear in that tint small window in the bottom-left corner. but atm I do not use tint anylonger. since UHD screen etc. tried the default TWEAKS tabs |
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| 10:35.41 | humpled | oh |
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| 10:51.27 | tommaso_ | Hi, I finally upgraded to buster from stretch .. did an apt upgrade today too and now the alt+tab shortcut to switch between windows is broken. I looked into settings->keyboard-> and set the shortcut but still doesn't work |
| 10:51.49 | tommaso_ | is it a gnome fuck up or what do you think? |
| 10:52.16 | tommaso_ | funny though bc the other custom shortcuts I set still works.. |
| 10:53.15 | tommaso_ | mmh not all of them actually "\ |
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| 10:55.12 | zainandif | :-D |
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| 10:57.39 | tommaso_ | D-: |
| 10:58.18 | humpled | you shouldn't need to set that as a shortcut, it's default |
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| 10:59.54 | tommaso_ | yeah, agree. Though it doesn't work |
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| 11:01.15 | namey | guys, just installed buster 32 bit on an old laptop, looking for b43 firmware installer, couldnt find it |
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| 11:01.57 | namey | im using non-free and contrib repos |
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| 11:02.44 | humpled | i think it slightly changed name |
| 11:03.39 | humpled | or maybe not, sorry |
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| 11:03.55 | namey | too bad :D thx anyway |
| 11:04.23 | humpled | https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-b43-installer |
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| 11:06.09 | humpled | see also b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43legacy-installer, do you really have contrib enabled? |
| 11:06.34 | humpled | i'm sure you've run apt update since adding contrib |
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| 11:21.52 | tommaso_ | ahhhh it was the enabled 'alternate tab' gnome extension!! nvm |
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| 11:43.59 | nt80 | is there any stock way to unlock a desktop session using a laptop's fingerprint reader ? |
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| 11:46.36 | humpled | so another shortcut was interfering tommaso_ ? |
| 11:46.39 | nt80 | nevermind, found it |
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| 12:04.53 | no_gravity | Is it possible to configure Debian so that in resolv.conf it always uses 8.8.8.8 and no "search" parameter? It seems wifi aps somehow beam their evil settings into resolv.conf |
| 12:07.57 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, what DE? |
| 12:08.57 | no_gravity | diogenes_: Mate |
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| 12:09.58 | black_13 | is it possible to install wheezy? |
| 12:10.21 | black_13 | or rather when i try to install wheezy |
| 12:10.35 | black_13 | i get "Bad archive mirror" |
| 12:10.49 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, nm-connection-editor, double click on your active connection > IPv4 Settings, Method: Automatic addresses only, DNS Servers: 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4 save, close and: systemctl restart NetworkManager. |
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| 12:12.20 | no_gravity | diogenes_: Ok, lets see ... |
| 12:12.30 | no_gravity | Whate does "Automatic addresses only" mean? |
| 12:12.45 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, first compare: cat /etc/resolv.conf before and after. |
| 12:13.04 | diogenes_ | addresses only means it will use only these DNSs and not adding to you existent. |
| 12:13.09 | no_gravity | diogenes_: It put 127.0.1.1 there again. Bad! |
| 12:13.18 | no_gravity | It overwrote my 8.8.8.8 that I put there manually. |
| 12:13.49 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, what is the output of: head /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:14.51 | no_gravity | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 12:14.51 | no_gravity | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 12:14.51 | no_gravity | nameserver 127.0.1.1 |
| 12:14.58 | nse | Hi, you guys. Recently I've followed the instructions to install Electricsheep here on my machine. But, after doing it without errors the command line doesn't appear with the command. I don't know how to launch it. Do you guys have any idea on how to to do this or how to overcome this problem? I really appreciate your help and I am using Debian buster. Thank you very much. |
| 12:15.02 | no_gravity | diogenes_: ^ |
| 12:15.40 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, so it uses resolvconf to generate the content, we can try a dirty little trick. |
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| 12:16.13 | crivrc | no_gravity /etc/resolv.conf is usually a link, it is the file that it points to that gets updated, if you just make it a regular file it won't get modified |
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| 12:16.56 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, sudo nano /usr/lib/systemd/googledns |
| 12:17.10 | no_gravity | Maybe I will simply protect resolv.conf |
| 12:17.33 | diogenes_ | paste in there: nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 |
| 12:17.50 | no_gravity | diogenes_: I think I feel better to use resolv.conf and protect it. |
| 12:18.01 | no_gravity | I will try crivrcs approach ... |
| 12:18.08 | diogenes_ | ok |
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| 12:19.39 | no_gravity | I made /etc/resolv.conf a normal file (it was a link) and put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" into it. |
| 12:19.42 | no_gravity | Reconnected, and this time it persisted! |
| 12:19.50 | no_gravity | This could be it :) |
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| 12:19.54 | no_gravity | Thank you guys! |
| 12:20.17 | diogenes_ | nice |
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| 12:24.02 | no_gravity | Now the world only needs to invent encrypted DNS and wifi will be finally trustless. |
| 12:25.10 | diogenes_ | i prefer quad9's dns. |
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| 12:28.12 | bouzu_ | bit late to the party but setting "prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf should be the intended (network manager) way of doing this |
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| 12:28.44 | diogenes_ | bouzu_, doesn't work on buster, tried. |
| 12:30.19 | bouzu_ | diogenes_, oh i see. nvm then :) |
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| 12:35.07 | centrix | Joining Deb 10 to AD using "net ads join" I found these instructions: https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_9&p=samba&f=3 |
| 12:35.18 | centrix | May they apply to Deb 10? |
| 12:36.19 | EoflaOEViceCity | Does Debian 10 support 32-bit releases? Or only 64-bit? |
| 12:36.28 | klys | both |
| 12:36.55 | klys | your choice is between i386 and amd64 packages. |
| 12:37.29 | EoflaOEViceCity | Thanks. Does Debian plan to take out 32-bit like other distros? |
| 12:37.33 | klys | no |
| 12:37.47 | EoflaOEViceCity | Thanks. |
| 12:38.21 | diogenes_ | EoflaOEViceCity, there is a difference between 32bit distro and 32bit libraries supported on 64bit systems. |
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| 12:39.27 | EoflaOEViceCity | diogenes_: Yes, I know that already. |
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| 12:44.15 | black_13 | can debian wheezy still be installed |
| 12:44.38 | diogenes_ | black_13, why not? |
| 12:44.53 | humpled | the archive has moved |
| 12:44.55 | black_13 | i had tried installing on virtualbox |
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| 12:45.15 | black_13 | but get "bad archive mirror" |
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| 12:46.15 | dvs | !wheezy sources.list |
| 12:46.16 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
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| 13:03.39 | dajju | hello i am trying to netinstall a debian system on my spare machine using my main machine which is UBUNTU. i followed this guide https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05.en.html |
| 13:03.44 | dajju | yet i am not able to install |
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| 13:05.41 | luna_ | http://paste.debian.net/1091891/ |
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| 13:17.34 | BCMM | dajju: what did you try, and what went wrong? |
| 13:18.14 | dajju | . i can downlaod files from tftp server (as tested on different device). but when i boot my spare system it show an error that could not get boot file name. I have installed isc-dhcp-server for dhcp server and config according to manual |
| 13:18.21 | BCMM | also, you realise that tftp network booting is a bit more involved than a normal netinstall, right? |
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| 13:19.00 | dajju | https://privatebin.net/?eb4da2cb5d09a788#2TUpDXskz2PqQSCYzTtF5wSBoqzbF8146KAkhew4SvTz my /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf file |
| 13:21.05 | dajju | should i post dhcpdump output |
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| 13:21.48 | BCMM | dajju: is pxe the only way to boot this machine? if it has usb boot or something, you'll have a much easier time of this |
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| 13:24.03 | dajju | yes i do realise this but i would like to learn |
| 13:24.49 | BCMM | well, fair enough. i must admit that i don't understand the example config files on the wiki properly, though |
| 13:26.24 | BCMM | kind of wish there were instructions for dnsmasq, which can do dhcp, bootp and tftp in one |
| 13:26.24 | dajju | okay |
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| 13:29.55 | dajju | there is one for ubuntu |
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| 13:30.51 | opv | hi all, i got a question |
| 13:30.58 | opv | is it possible to have a cron file source something? |
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| 13:31.11 | opv | or would i have to manually source the file i want for every single cron task in the file? |
| 13:32.12 | greycat | A crontab is a list of jobs to perform, including fields that say WHEN, and a command to be executed at those times. It's up to the command you write to do whatever it is you need it to do. Usually it will be a self-contained shell script, or else a VERY SIMPLE sh one-liner in the crontab itself. |
| 13:33.07 | alkisg | dajju: do you have a separate network for netbooting, i.e. can your main system actually be a dhcp server, or are you using an external dhcp server like a router, where the proxy dhcp mode of dnsmasq would be much easier? |
| 13:33.07 | greycat | The commands you write will be executed by the absolute minimal bare-bones sh with an absolutely minimal bare-bones environment. No controlling terminal, no TERM variable, almost no environment variables beyond a basic $PATH. |
| 13:33.29 | opv | check. thanks |
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| 13:35.59 | dajju | alkisg: no my main system is my dhcp server and directly connected to the system i intend to install debian on |
| 13:36.38 | alkisg | dajju: and it's also the dns server, with ip=192.168.1.3? |
| 13:36.46 | alkisg | You're running bind as well? |
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| 13:39.11 | dajju | alkisg: no i am not running bind server |
| 13:40.02 | alkisg | dajju: then that option there isn't appropriate. Do you also have tftpd-hpa installed? And did you put pxelinux.0 in /srv/tftp? |
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| 13:43.14 | dajju | alkisg: no it is in default path as supplied i.e. /var/lib/tftpboot. reagrding my dns server i also replace 192.168.1.3 with my gateway 192.168.1.1 in dhcpd.conf to no avail |
| 13:44.28 | alkisg | dajju: did you install tftpd-hpa? Can you add --verbose in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa and see if the client actually requests pxelinux.0? |
| 13:44.50 | alkisg | Btw, if you're just learning, dnsmasq is a much better choice for beginners... |
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| 13:45.37 | BCMM | alkisg: unfortunately it's not what the debian docs use... |
| 13:45.47 | alkisg | BCMM: he's using ubuntu |
| 13:45.53 | alkisg | Debian is the client only |
| 13:46.00 | BCMM | alkisg: debian installation docs |
| 13:46.03 | dajju | i tried with dnsmasq and succeeded so onto new adventure i suppose :P |
| 13:46.13 | karlpinc | alkisg: Trouble with choosing beginner tools is that when you find some functionality you need but don't have you then need to start over with something more featureful. |
| 13:46.24 | BCMM | alkisg: (and it's probably similar enough, because those packages aren't interesting enough for ubuntu devs to break them) |
| 13:46.35 | alkisg | karlpinc: dnsmasq supports proxydhcp, which isc-dhcp doesn't; it's a very significant feature lacking from isc-dhcp |
| 13:46.57 | alkisg | BCMM: both tftpd-hpa and isc-dhcp carry ubuntu-specific patches |
| 13:47.25 | BCMM | alkisg: ok, that surprises me. what sort of patches? |
| 13:47.45 | karlpinc | dajju: I found that I needed to put both "server-name" and "next-server" into my dhcpd configs to get PXE booting to work. |
| 13:47.48 | alkisg | tftpd-hpa => to default to /var/lib/tftpboot instead of /srv/tftp, because of legacy ltsp paths, |
| 13:48.02 | alkisg | isc-dhcp => to prefer /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf when it exists, for the same reason |
| 13:48.14 | alkisg | There are some more, those I remember without checking |
| 13:48.47 | karlpinc | dajju: I don't recall whether "next-server" was needed for booting debian or another OS, and it's been a while so who knows what's needed now. In any case you could try it. |
| 13:48.59 | karlpinc | dajju: Most important rule: look in the logs to see what's going on. |
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| 13:51.55 | dajju | karlpinc: to be clear can tftp-hpa puts log in /var/log/syslog only? |
| 13:52.16 | karlpinc | dajju: (You can test your tftp server with a client, manually.) |
| 13:52.38 | karlpinc | dajju: I don't recall. That's probably where you can see things by default. |
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| 13:54.05 | dajju | karlpinc: yes have used a tftp client in my mobile phone and sucessfully downloaded files from ubuntu system |
| 13:54.06 | karlpinc | dajju: You can probably configure the destination with syslog, although tftpd-hpa probably uses "daemon" and so the most straightforward rsyslog config would send all deamon logs to some file or another. |
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| 13:55.01 | karlpinc | dajju: You can use a client on your ubuntu system as well. (No requirement that cilent and server be on different boxes.) |
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| 13:57.23 | dk657 | hey folks |
| 13:58.29 | dk657 | i just installed debian on a thinkpad p52 |
| 13:59.13 | dk657 | which has onboard intel graphics and an nvidia quadro p1000 gpu |
| 13:59.24 | dk657 | i followed the directions at https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 13:59.46 | dk657 | installed X, which is running fine with the i915 module loaded |
| 14:00.38 | dajju | karlpinc: just installed and tested it on my ubuntu system seems tftp downloads file from ip 192.168.1.1 ie gateway but fails to download from 192.168.1.200 dhcp server assigned ip |
| 14:00.54 | dk657 | but nvidia-persistenced fails to start, and complains " Failed to query NVIDIA devices. Please ensure that the NVIDIA device files (/dev/nvidia*) exist, and that user 111 has read and write permissions for those files." |
| 14:01.17 | dk657 | in fact there are no /dev/nvidia* device files. do i have to do something more here? |
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| 14:05.24 | alkisg | dajju: in your dhcpd.conf, you state that your dhcp server is 192.168.1.3 |
| 14:05.45 | karlpinc | dk657: My (uninformed) guess is that you need to install another package. 'apt-cache search nvidia' says that there's a bumblebee-nvidia package. (I have non-free repos enabled.) No idea if that's the right package. |
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| 14:06.29 | karlpinc | dk657: (Also, I'm currently running stretch, not buster.) |
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| 14:07.51 | dk657 | thanks karlpinc. i have bumblebee-nvidia installed. one interesting thing that i noticed when i installed these packages is that the package 'nvidia-modprobe' was installed |
| 14:08.10 | dk657 | and the description of that package is 'utility to load NVIDIA kernel modules and create device nodes' |
| 14:08.51 | dk657 | presumably some install script ought to make that package do its magic |
| 14:09.10 | karlpinc | dajju: I'm not really following along. but... does 'ss -lun' say that tfptd is listening on 192.168.1.200? |
| 14:09.51 | karlpinc | dk657: Did you install with the unoffical installer that has non-free firmware? If not, maybe you need to install some non-free firmware package. |
| 14:09.54 | dajju | alkisg: yes but i have tried many times trying different patterns as i see on different websites but to no avail |
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| 14:10.42 | karlpinc | dajju: Following advice from random strangers on the internet is not always the best approach. Better to read the docs and understand what you're doing. |
| 14:11.41 | alkisg | dajju: {next-server 192.168.1.3; ==> this tells the client to use the tftp server at .3. So it won't reach your .200. |
| 14:12.14 | dajju | karlpinc: no tftp is set to listen on port 69 |
| 14:12.26 | dajju | on my local machine |
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| 14:12.44 | karlpinc | dajju: But bound to what IP? |
| 14:12.56 | dajju | alkisg: ok so i remove next-server paramter |
| 14:13.10 | dajju | karlpinc: 192.168.1.1 |
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| 14:15.06 | karlpinc | dajju: If it is listening on 192.168.1.1 why would it respond to a request to 192.168.1.200? |
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| 14:16.58 | karlpinc | dajju: If you have a tftpd server at .200 then you'd want next-server 192.168.1.200;. |
| 14:17.46 | dajju | karlpinc: ok sorry i got wrong notions i thought that tftp-hpa client program would act as a system requesting new connection |
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| 14:21.51 | dajju | karlpinc: ok i change next-server to 192.168.1.1 yet the other system doesnt seem to not get boot filename |
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| 14:22.23 | karlpinc | dajju: FWIW, you can use tcpdump to watch who's requesting what and getting what. |
| 14:23.10 | karlpinc | dajju: The client will download files, imitating the system you are trying to boot. |
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| 14:27.55 | budo | hello? |
| 14:28.18 | GenTooMan | arg .. sometimes apt under debian can be quite frustrating. |
| 14:28.29 | GenTooMan | sorry had to say it. |
| 14:28.33 | Zesk | Hello, with debian installer and preseed file. Is it possible to have a semi automatic installation? For instance, with only network configuration to input manually? |
| 14:28.35 | budo | I need help. can anyone help me |
| 14:28.38 | dvs | !lart GenTooMan |
| 14:28.38 | dpkg | whacks GenTooMan with a giant beaver's tail |
| 14:28.45 | Habbie | budo, hello; what's your question? |
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| 14:29.06 | budo | I have ubuntu on my laptop. And for some reason my original files arent showing up. |
| 14:29.11 | budo | whats happening? |
| 14:29.50 | budo | its not showing my hard drive on the desktop |
| 14:29.53 | Haohmaru | checks channel topic |
| 14:30.31 | Zesk | @budo what did you do before this files disappered? |
| 14:30.43 | budo | nothing i can remember |
| 14:30.49 | Haohmaru | ctrl+a shift+del enter |
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| 14:31.35 | karlpinc | budo: This channel is for debian support. You should probably ask on #ubuntu. |
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| 14:32.18 | budo | oh gosh |
| 14:32.26 | budo | ok. thank u |
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| 14:32.45 | karlpinc | Zesk: I'm not sure what you're asking. There's an option for installing via ssh. You can do something to configure, something, so that after boot the install is continued via ssh. See the install guide at debian.org. |
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| 14:33.15 | dajju | karlpinc: https://privatebin.net/?bdb5a8d345c2bd75#HqdKNFugCNUz2JzYqeWAjCiq37rmka29LwpSQsArVzBS tcpdump output |
| 14:33.26 | karlpinc | GenTooMan: I prefer aptitude to apt. |
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| 14:33.48 | GenTooMan | for some reason if you install certain packages it wipes out a huge number of other packages. This seems to be a thing with i386 support in particular. Of course I don't know what is going on. Funny this wasn't a problem in stretch something weird with portaudio. |
| 14:34.06 | Zesk | karlpinc: thanks, I will test some more to ask more precisely |
| 14:34.20 | karlpinc | dajju: Looks like privatebin requires javascript. I don't have that turned on. |
| 14:34.24 | karlpinc | !paste |
| 14:34.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:36.52 | dajju | karlpinc: paste.debian.net/1091906 tcpdum output |
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| 14:39.52 | eb0t | hey i built a website on a different linux and used pip and django...but the database was a higher version of postgres than what is in the debian repo |
| 14:40.02 | eb0t | i cant remember the exact version right now .. |
| 14:40.14 | eb0t | but how can i make debian use the same version of postgres |
| 14:40.42 | eb0t | otherwise all the data will be incompatible |
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| 14:41.12 | moritz | eb0t: there are debian repositories from postgres which you can use to install other versions than those packaged by Debian |
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| 14:41.34 | eb0t | ah ok...thanks moritz ..ill look into that |
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| 14:43.44 | vlt | eb0t: And I doubt that it will be incompatible. |
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| 14:44.36 | eb0t | yes it will be compatible ..but i mean if i use soem functionality that is not available on the older versions |
| 14:44.47 | vlt | eb0t: Such as? |
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| 14:45.01 | tds | eb0t: also worth keeping in mind that if you need modern postgres, and you've been working on stretch, buster has a significantly newer version :) |
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| 14:46.19 | eb0t | i dont know vlt, i havent yet run a comparison of what version i developed the database on with the one available on stretch and the differences..i was just going to set up a machine using debian buster (the newest version) then it hit me ..ah i just developed a website using a modern version of postgres and i doubt buster will be using such a modern version.. |
| 14:46.48 | eb0t | i developed on gentoo |
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| 14:47.24 | vlt | eb0t: I would just try to use the version that comes with Debian stable, run all the tests and be done with it. |
| 14:47.28 | eb0t | but i need to set up a debian system as its proving problematic with some of the recent updates i had to do on gentoo..switching profiles ruined a machine |
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| 14:47.50 | eb0t | cant afford for this to happen again |
| 14:48.01 | eb0t | as its a working development and interfering with business |
| 14:49.33 | jmcnaught | eb0t: current stable release of postgresql is 11.4, buster comes with 11. Is there really that much difference? Are you transferring the database after doing a pg_dump? |
| 14:49.52 | eb0t | i mean i love the gentoo system...but any mistakes in upgrading profiles and the like can render a machine broken, and too long to repair ..so basically its a reinstall ..which also takes a long time |
| 14:49.55 | eb0t | yes jmcnaught |
| 14:50.09 | eb0t | ill be transfering the dump |
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| 14:50.41 | jmcnaught | eb0t: I would just see if that works, if not then look into Django's ability to serialize its data into another format like JSON |
| 14:51.00 | jmcnaught | eb0t: in the future it would be wise to develop using the version that you'll be hosting on |
| 14:52.51 | eb0t | ah thanks jmcnaught |
| 14:53.04 | eb0t | its my first webdev and a big learning curve |
| 14:53.27 | jmcnaught | eb0t: yeah there's always a lot to learn. Django's a good pick :) |
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| 14:53.48 | eb0t | i developed on gentoo...then hosted on centos7 |
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| 14:54.06 | eb0t | but at the time i ended up using the same version of database somehow |
| 14:54.06 | jmcnaught | Where does Debian factor in? |
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| 14:54.30 | eb0t | my workstations are gentoo..but im changing to debian for continuing development |
| 14:54.55 | eb0t | i would use centos but i dont like it as a desktop |
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| 14:56.25 | eb0t | i will be continuing developing and testing on debian in future ..pushing to bitbucket and then dragging it down to my digital ocean centos |
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| 14:56.47 | eb0t | wizanalytics.com thats the site i did |
| 14:57.01 | eb0t | its not perfect but its ok and took a while |
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| 14:57.48 | eb0t | they are using it, only a little problem with a white bar at the top of mac machines which i have yet to sort out |
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| 15:09.52 | nikivi | I get `/app/node_modules/electron/dist/electron: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory` |
| 15:10.02 | nikivi | as error in my dockerfile when building |
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| 15:10.17 | nikivi | I tried to `apt-get -y install libgtk-3-0` to fix this but it fails |
| 15:10.23 | nikivi | E: Unable to locate package libgtk-3-0 |
| 15:10.23 | nikivi | The command '/bin/sh -c apt-get -y install libgtk-3-0' returned a non-zero code: 100 |
| 15:10.38 | nikivi | is it possible to find the package I need to get to make the error go away? |
| 15:11.24 | greycat | nikivi: there is libgtk-3-0 in buster. Which release are you on? |
| 15:11.35 | nikivi | not sure how to find it out from within docker |
| 15:11.41 | greycat | it's also in stretch |
| 15:11.45 | nikivi | my dockerfile starts with `FROM node:12.3.1` |
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| 15:12.39 | nikivi | asked on #docker but they said to ask here |
| 15:13.56 | nkuttler | nikivi: did you actually run apt-get update? |
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| 15:15.48 | nkuttler | nikivi: and at least pick an image that includes the release name.. |
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| 15:16.09 | nkuttler | https://hub.docker.com/_/node/ your version isn't even documented any more.. |
| 15:16.32 | Raylier | Hi people, just moved to Debian had a few questions as I am unfamilliar with Wayland |
| 15:16.55 | Raylier | Is there an equivalent to xinitrc in Wayland, and how can I start sxhkd on startup |
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| 15:20.56 | jmcnaught | Raylier: did you test that sxhkd works at all under Wayland? The GNOME way of doing autostart is to make and XDG .desktop file and put it in /etc/xdg/autostart/ |
| 15:21.13 | jmcnaught | s/and/an/ |
| 15:21.22 | Raylier | jmcnaught, sxhkd works, I tested it |
| 15:21.56 | Raylier | I am guessing this is Xwayland and not just wayland |
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| 15:22.46 | insidious | Gnome, Wayland all junk |
| 15:22.48 | insidious | lold |
| 15:23.00 | insidious | what's wrong with i3 or openbox? xD |
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| 15:26.01 | mns | insidious: they're resource hogs. just use vtwm or stumpwm :-) |
| 15:26.11 | insidious | ^ |
| 15:26.16 | Akuw | how can i convert from epoch to human and human to epoch? |
| 15:26.44 | Rayler | Hi sorry lost net |
| 15:26.55 | greycat | date -d @123456789 |
| 15:27.07 | jmcnaught | Rayler: did you test that sxhkd works at all under Wayland? The GNOME way of doing autostart is to make an XDG .desktop file and put it in /etc/xdg/autostart/ |
| 15:27.30 | greycat | date +%s -d 'Thu Nov 29 16:33:09 EST 1973' |
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| 15:30.01 | mns | Akuw: I'm presuming you're talking about time ? use the date command ? date -j -f "%a %b %d %T %Z %Y" "`date`" "+%s" should give you epoc |
| 15:30.32 | greycat | date -j is a BSD thing. date -d is the GNU version, which I showed. |
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| 15:31.05 | mns | greycat: yeah I got it off my macboook man page. |
| 15:31.28 | greycat | Both -d and -j are extensions to posix and won't be portable. |
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| 15:32.01 | jmcnaught | mns: https://manpages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:34.50 | mns | jmcnaught: thanks. |
| 15:35.19 | Akuw | this command "date -d @1563376912588000" output mar mar 3 18:46:40 EST 49543412 |
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| 15:35.51 | greycat | your epoch number is much too large. try removing those last three digits, maybe you got yours in milliseconds instead of seconds. |
| 15:36.00 | Akuw | but in GUI of application i see another date |
| 15:36.06 | greycat | maybe even remove 6 digits, maybe yours is in microseconds |
| 15:36.32 | mns | Akuw: what application ? what GUI ? |
| 15:36.33 | greycat | yeah, removing 6 digits makes it viable |
| 15:36.42 | greycat | your number is in microseconds instead of seconds |
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| 15:38.07 | Akuw | greycat: now i am getting right |
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| 15:38.45 | Akuw | how can i convert 2019-07-17 11:28:04 to epoch ? |
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| 15:39.31 | Akuw | you know so given 2019-07-17 11:28:04 i get the corresponding epoch |
| 15:39.37 | nikivi | how can I find what package I need to install if I get `error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory` error? |
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| 15:39.52 | greycat | wooledg:~$ date +%s -d '2019-07-17 11:28:04' |
| 15:39.52 | greycat | 1563377284 |
| 15:40.00 | Akuw | ok |
| 15:40.04 | greycat | I showed this stuff earlier... |
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| 15:40.34 | mns | nikivi: packages.debian.org look for packages with that libXss.so |
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| 15:40.56 | nikivi | returns nothing https://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=libXss.so |
| 15:41.04 | Akuw | thanks |
| 15:41.36 | Akuw | why the saved epoch has more that 10 digits |
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| 15:41.43 | mns | nikivi: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libXss.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 15:41.48 | greycat | 11:36 greycat> your number is in microseconds instead of seconds |
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| 15:45.59 | nikivi | mns so libxss-dev is the package name? |
| 15:46.03 | nikivi | If I get it right |
| 15:46.23 | mns | yes |
| 15:46.24 | jmcnaught | judd: file libXss.so.1 |
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| 15:46.29 | judd | Search for libXss.so.1 in buster/amd64: libxss1: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1 |
| 15:46.43 | jmcnaught | nikivi: ^ |
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| 15:47.19 | nikivi | so libxss1 is the package not libxss-dev |
| 15:47.22 | nikivi | from jmcnaught search |
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| 15:47.34 | dvs | xssl sounds like it does NOT do encryption |
| 15:47.49 | nikivi | ok it worked, thanks |
| 15:47.54 | nikivi | will try find other packages like this |
| 15:48.18 | mns | nikivi: yeah I searched for libXss.so, the .1 got cut-off |
| 15:48.32 | jmcnaught | nikivi: there's a tool called apt-file you can use to search for files in packages on your system |
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| 15:49.25 | mns | jmcnaught: ahh yes, I forgot about that. been almost a year since I used Debian. |
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| 15:49.56 | jmcnaught | mns: maybe install it in a VM to make it easier to help people? |
| 15:49.56 | nikivi | cant find `libasound.so.2` |
| 15:50.06 | nikivi | https://packages.debian.org/search?mode=path&suite=buster§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=vlibasound.so.2 |
| 15:51.28 | jmcnaught | nikivi: looks like you searched for vlibasound.so.2 (note the 'v') |
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| 15:51.35 | mns | you're searching for vlibasound.so.2 |
| 15:52.12 | nikivi | oops, my bad, I had `v` key in browser as hotkey to focus on search inputs via https://github.com/flipxfx/sVim |
| 15:52.17 | nikivi | thanks mns jmcnaught |
| 15:52.32 | dvs | or libasound2 |
| 15:53.12 | mns | nikivi: shortcut url for searching: https://packages.debian.org/file:libasound.so.2 |
| 15:54.17 | eblip | hey i am upgrading apt-get upgrade..and it is taking a long time..does this mean my system is upgrading from stretch to buster. |
| 15:54.24 | eblip | or do i have to reinstall to make that happen |
| 15:55.28 | dvs | eblip, it depends what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:55.31 | jmcnaught | eblip: your system shouldn't surprise you with an upgrade from stretch to buster unless you changed sources.list, or if you pointed to 'stable' instead of using codenames in sources.list. You do not need to reinstall to upgrade. |
| 15:55.35 | greycat | If your sources.list says "stable" you can get surprise upgrades like this. YOu want it to have the release name instead. |
| 15:55.50 | whislock | fff |
| 15:55.57 | eblip | ah ok didnt know that ill take a look |
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| 15:59.33 | eblip | i have sable.main contrib non free |
| 15:59.39 | eblip | but everything else is debian stretch |
| 15:59.53 | greycat | that's going to be a problem... you'll want to make those consistent |
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| 16:02.23 | jmcnaught | eblip: now that you have started upgrading from stretch to buster you might as well read the release notes and complete the upgrade. You don't want to leave it in a half-upgraded state. https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/releasenotes |
| 16:02.51 | eblip | ah ok thanks i think im going to reinstall from scratch..as some of the updates seemed to fail |
| 16:03.21 | jmcnaught | How do people even end up with stable in their sources.list, and what's the point of even having it available? |
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| 16:03.57 | dvs | jmcnaught, for those daring people who want to have "automatic upgrades"? |
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| 16:04.13 | eblip | i think i put it there when i wanted non free |
| 16:04.27 | eblip | not sure if it was automatic or if i copied it offline |
| 16:04.48 | dvs | eblip, so you probably have multiple lines pointing to the same repo? |
| 16:05.15 | coruja | if there are hundreds of packages to be upgraded instead of only some like usually, it's not a real surprise then |
| 16:06.08 | coruja | eblip, do you mind pasting your sources.list? |
| 16:06.21 | ravioli | i have a process that runs every x hours. i want to know the peak RAM usage for that scheduled process but i don't want to run the process manually to find out. what tool can i use to record that? |
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| 16:08.34 | eblip | yes ill get it now coruja |
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| 16:10.06 | coruja | btw, do many people in here use the deb822 style sources.list? |
| 16:10.46 | eb0t | https://bpaste.net/show/1EqW |
| 16:11.05 | eblip | hey coruja above is my sources list under account eb0t |
| 16:11.18 | greycat | ravioli: you want some sort of continuous monitoring like vmstat, perhaps |
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| 16:11.58 | coruja | eblip, remove line 16 and add 'contrib non-free' to line 5 |
| 16:12.05 | dvs | eblip, the "contrib non-free" can be added to the end of lines 5 and 6 |
| 16:12.20 | eblip | ah ok thanks guys |
| 16:12.22 | coruja | and then - if you want to - substitute 'stretch' by 'buster' everywhere |
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| 16:12.35 | eblip | ah that sounds real tidy |
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| 16:13.05 | coruja | then apt update && apt full-upgrade |
| 16:13.24 | eblip | good stuff ill do that right away |
| 16:13.51 | jmcnaught | also consider running that 'apt full-upgrade' inside of a screen/tmux session |
| 16:14.26 | eblip | ah so i can monitor exactly what stage it is up to |
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| 16:17.34 | dvs | eblip, the upgrade prints what package is being upgraded so the progress is shown. |
| 16:17.59 | coruja | probably more than one wants to read ;) |
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| 16:19.29 | coruja | eblip, btw, lines 1 to 4 can be removed too, you won't need 9.9 netinstall packages anymore |
| 16:20.34 | eblip | ah ok i removed those , they were commented out |
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| 16:51.54 | jhutchins_wk | eblip: Progress? |
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| 16:52.33 | eblip | im having a little trouble with the machine .i have rebooted and not coming on ...the machine is old and does this when it overheats |
| 16:52.43 | eblip | im letting it cool a little and ill try again |
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| 16:53.54 | mano | Man Hi |
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| 16:59.28 | karlpinc | ravioli: "sar" is also sometimes used for that. |
| 17:00.53 | knstn | Guys, i got a rpi3 B+ and put raspbian buster 10 on it. So any questions about it, here? |
| 17:01.01 | coruja | eblip, cleaning the box inside regularly often helps too, computers are dust magnets |
| 17:01.13 | eblip | this one is a laptop |
| 17:01.25 | eblip | i think it has had its day |
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| 17:01.35 | jmcnaught | knstn: raspbian is supported in #raspbian |
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| 17:03.08 | knstn | Oh i see. Wanted to clarify it,between #raspbian - #debian - #raspberrypi, i had a dilemma. |
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| 17:04.19 | jhutchins_wk | eblip: Sometimes you can access the cpu cooling path, there might be a cover or something. If nothing else, blow some canned air back where the cooling fan discharge is. |
| 17:04.32 | eblip | ah thanks |
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| 17:08.23 | eblip | right bad practice but i just threw it in a freezer for 2 minutes and its started |
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| 17:12.27 | mns | now thats a first I've heard of that |
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| 17:12.48 | eblip | yes got to be careful of condensation but it did the trick |
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| 17:40.58 | bdax | Hi I'm getting random system freezes that are proving very hard to debug. journalctl isn't giving anything useful. Is there a way to put the system into verbose mode, so that lots more gets logged? |
| 17:41.23 | antto | could it be RAM? |
| 17:41.43 | bdax | i did a memtest that came back fine |
| 17:41.52 | antto | :/ |
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| 17:42.21 | bdax | yeah it's a tricky one |
| 17:42.34 | mns | bdax: IO ? something with teh disks ? usually its memory or disk IO when such things happen, in my experience. |
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| 17:43.01 | bdax | not gpu? I was expecting it to be gpu |
| 17:43.39 | bdax | hm I had wondered whether moving the laptop was a common factor in it freezing, but can't tell for sure. perhaps a loose harddrive cable |
| 17:44.08 | mns | could be a board is loose too, yes. most of the systems I've had, have not had specialised GPUs on them, just whatever was built-in |
| 17:44.13 | jmcnaught | When it freezes does it unfreeze or do you need to reboot? Is your journal persistent? |
| 17:45.08 | bdax | it's a built in intel gpu, I meant I assumed it would be dodgy linux support or something, but had no real reason to assume that |
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| 17:45.50 | bdax | no, normally it looks like this: https://imgur.com/a/3GhDbF8 and this: https://imgur.com/a/HFJmcXT |
| 17:46.16 | bdax | sometimes there might be a second or two of whitenoise from the speakers too, but the system never returns to be usable without a reboot |
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| 17:47.58 | jmcnaught | Is your journal persistent? Are you using 'journalctl --boot=-1' (or -b -1)? |
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| 17:48.19 | bdax | yeah but it doesn't ever list anything relevant unfortunately |
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| 17:50.17 | jmcnaught | When I had random lockups on my old computer I used a for loop like this one to look for patterns in the final 20 lines from each boot: for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less |
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| 17:52.24 | bdax | that's a very good idea, thanks for that |
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| 17:54.29 | karlpinc | bdax: You could try running memtest86+ overnight, so as to allow everything to come up to operating temperature. |
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| 17:57.53 | bdax | yeah I did run one overnight, had 6 and bit passes, I also ran lenovo diagnostics (which looks like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xTsMJJdM3k0/maxresdefault.jpg) |
| 17:58.08 | bdax | and fwiw I've been playing alot with the stuff in here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Tear-free_video |
| 17:58.10 | alkisg | bdax: you can run the "stress" command in console, so that you see kernel panics etc, or you can set up netconsole, https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/netconsole |
| 17:59.11 | bdax | very good tip, thanks alkisg |
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| 18:01.20 | bdax | did it again, last message I saw was the one for netconsole, in case I missed anything |
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| 18:01.42 | alkisg | You didn't miss anything |
| 18:02.06 | alkisg | Btw another quick test is "another OS"; if it happens in two completely different OSes, it's usually hardware |
| 18:02.50 | alkisg | E.g. it'll be difficult to troubleshoot power issues with just software |
| 18:02.55 | bdax | yeah, I've been reluctant to try that one, it does it on and off, sometimes frequently, sometimes days inbetween, so I'd need to use a live cd/windows for a couple of weeks to be sure.. |
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| 18:03.18 | bdax | i probably should though |
| 18:03.40 | bdax | do you think reinstalling debian is a valid test? |
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| 18:04.07 | bdax | like instead of using a livecd for ages |
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| 18:05.39 | da3m0n22 | hi, is there any debugging checklist for STR (suspend-to-ram) issues? running clean Buster on e5470 with latest bios, and i suspect bios issue, black screen after resume, cpu 100% (fans on / heats massively) |
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| 18:07.35 | nouveau | I'm getting the message "usermod: command not found" as root on a new debian 10 install, what happened? |
| 18:07.45 | jmcnaught | !buster su |
| 18:07.45 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 18:08.09 | jmcnaught | nouveau: ^^ sbin is probably not in your path because you used su with no arguments, see that link for more info |
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| 18:08.55 | jmcnaught | da3m0n22: have you checked your logs? |
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| 18:12.42 | da3m0n22 | jnavila: yes, no logs present, all the logs are truncated and/or binary corrupted at time of resume, also no_console_suspend does nothing in the situation, so i got nothing to catch on |
| 18:12.53 | nouveau | "su -" works, was their a reason util-linux does this while shadow didn't? |
| 18:14.23 | jnavila | da3m0n22: I beg your pardon? |
| 18:15.11 | jmcnaught | da3m0n22: I'm over here. Are you using a persistent journal? |
| 18:15.25 | da3m0n22 | jnavila: jmcnaught: mis-typed, sorry, no glasses on |
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| 18:15.46 | greycat | nouveau: it might be really difficult to find out who made the decision, and when, and why, but usually things like this boil down to "I was copying ___", where ___ is some older system, often Solaris, or BSD, or AT&T System V. |
| 18:15.46 | jnavila | :-D |
| 18:16.40 | nouveau | I wonder if they will change it |
| 18:17.01 | greycat | Who's "they"? |
| 18:17.16 | xbow | hehe |
| 18:17.22 | xbow | they == them |
| 18:17.24 | jmcnaught | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833256 |
| 18:17.25 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/833256 in util-linux (open): «util-linux: Please use login/passwd implementations provided by util-linux»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-08-02; last modified: 2018-08-07. |
| 18:17.49 | greycat | well, that would be part of the Debian side of the picture... good luck finding the upstream side |
| 18:17.51 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: using defaults, so yes, persistent, however i suspect nvme issues, and experimenting with default_ps_max_latency_us lead me nowhere |
| 18:17.53 | xbow | good eve everyone |
| 18:17.54 | jhutchins_wk | nouveau: su - has always been the traditional form. Somebody in one of the popular linux distros got tired of telling people to use the dash and kludged it so that it would set the path without it. They finally went back to the correct behavior. |
| 18:18.14 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: I vehemently protest your unfounded accusations. |
| 18:18.31 | jmcnaught | da3m0n22: journal is not persistent by default, see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian |
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| 18:18.52 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: in commercial unices, the behavior of su with respect to $PATH is NOT consistent, and never has been. |
| 18:19.09 | Jck_true | I installed Debian Buster from netinst using a USB key... But I don't have any network interfaces showing up... |
| 18:19.11 | greycat | In Debian in particular, su has *always* changed $PATH, until buster. |
| 18:19.13 | xbow | ~$ find /usr/share/doc -iname "readme.debian" | wc -l |
| 18:19.13 | xbow | 367 |
| 18:19.16 | nouveau | Perhaps removing the - was a good idea then |
| 18:19.20 | xbow | hehe |
| 18:19.27 | greycat | And Debian is venerable enough to deserve recognition. |
| 18:19.48 | dvs | Jck_true, what do you use for a network interface? |
| 18:20.02 | Jck_true | ethernet (It's a server in the closet) |
| 18:20.14 | dvs | ethernet? That's a new one! |
| 18:20.19 | greycat | HP-UX su(1) also changes $PATH. |
| 18:20.31 | jmcnaught | Jck_true: no interfaces listed by 'ip link'? |
| 18:20.38 | xbow | !hmstart |
| 18:20.40 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: ok, caught me, back in a minute |
| 18:20.44 | xbow | !hmstart 99999 |
| 18:20.47 | greycat | At least, I'm looking at an HP-UX 11i man page right now, and it clearly states that it changes PATH to PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
| 18:20.48 | Jck_true | that gives me lo, eno1 and eno2 :) |
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| 18:21.15 | xbow | wrong chan sorry |
| 18:21.28 | Jck_true | But no difference between the network card connected and the one not connected |
| 18:21.42 | jmcnaught | da3m0n22: with a persistent journal you'll at least be able to check if there were any messages at the end of the log of the previous boot with a command like 'journalctl --boot -1' |
| 18:22.20 | villageidiot | A long time ago I altered a config file so when I connect to different VPNs static routes are applied automatically. For the life of me I can't find the file where this logic is applied. It's not in /etc/network/... and I've done a ton of googleing but have come up with nothing outside of that subfolder. Any clue where else network based rules could be applied durring a connection? |
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| 18:22.50 | jmcnaught | Jck_true: what do you mean? |
| 18:23.09 | dvs | jmcnaught, I assume that both network card are the same type |
| 18:23.22 | Jck_true | jmcnaught: I don't get an IP from DHCP |
| 18:23.40 | Jck_true | (And since I don't have SSH I can't really copy anything...) |
| 18:24.26 | greycat | Solaris 8 su(1M) at <https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19109-01/tsolaris8/817-0880/6mglau86g/index.html> says su's PATH is controlled by the SUPATH parameter in /etc/default/su |
| 18:24.32 | jmcnaught | Jck_true: when you run 'ip link' does one say NO-CARRIER and the other does not? (Assuming a network cable is only plugged into one of them). And how are you tring DHCP? |
| 18:24.43 | greycat | So that's two votes for "PATH is changed" in commercial unixland. |
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| 18:25.11 | dvs | Jck_true, what's in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 18:25.52 | alkisg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.44 | greycat | By contrast, FreeBSD su(1) at <https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?su(1)> says the environment is "unmodified with thePiGrepper exception of USER, HOME, and SHELL". So that's one vote for "PATH is not touched" from BSD. |
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| 18:27.01 | Jck_true32 | DEfault from my installation I have not touched it. It contains auto lo; ifcace lo inet loopback; |
| 18:27.04 | greycat | where the hell did that nick come from |
| 18:27.19 | mason | What's a Pig Repper? |
| 18:27.45 | greycat | I was pasting from the web page with the mouse... no idea how that got in there. |
| 18:28.09 | alkisg | image alt text? |
| 18:28.15 | greycat | maybe there's a raw tab character in the web page |
| 18:28.52 | dvs | Jck_true32, well, you need at least a "iface eno1 inet dhcp" if you connect via dhcp. |
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| 18:29.32 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: yes, no logs on the edge between "Starting Suspend" and "microcode updated early", just did the check twice |
| 18:29.42 | greycat | Yeah, there is. For some reason. The web page has "theTAB", which of course irssi expanded upon paste. |
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| 18:31.06 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: however, since i've tried to debug for a few months, im ready to submit bugreport, but still i'm not sure against what package, and if there is any "checklist" i could run before submitting, STR worked a while back, and i'm not sure if it was the transition from 9.8 to 9.9 or bios update, what broke it |
| 18:31.15 | ratrace | greycat: that's a CVE right there if you ask me :) |
| 18:31.38 | greycat | In what, exactly? |
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| 18:32.52 | mason | irssi maybe |
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| 18:33.27 | jmcnaught | da3m0n22: did you restart systemd-journald after creating /var/log/journal? Did you suspend/resume after that? |
| 18:33.33 | da3m0n22 | yes |
| 18:33.40 | greycat | Expecting irssi to detect whether I'm typing or pasting and act differently is... possible, I suppose. Whether that's a feature or a bug is a matter of choice. |
| 18:33.48 | da3m0n22 | jmnk: and i did the str/rsume simulatoin twice |
| 18:33.56 | mason | greycat: zsh manages it, which is impressive to me |
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| 18:34.26 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: ^ |
| 18:34.45 | greycat | bash has some support for something called "bracketed paste" which I did not bother to dig into. |
| 18:35.02 | greycat | it got very technical very quickly, and requires matching support in the terminal |
| 18:35.09 | ratrace | textbook example why people shouldn't copy paste commands into terminal; hidden chars, unicode bombs, none could hide a whole .: sudo hijackmepls :. into it :: http://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste ;) |
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| 18:35.28 | ratrace | s/none/one/ |
| 18:35.34 | jmcnaught | da3m0n22: are you able to ssh into the computer after a resume? |
| 18:36.39 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: dont have second appropriate device, however wifi does not seem to get back on, router dhcp lease will time-out correctly, no network activity either |
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| 18:41.06 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: i've tried all the /sys/power/pm_test and those ran successfully, however full suspend-resume fails, suspend-to-disk (hibernation) worked well, before i got rid of swap |
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| 18:42.18 | tomnor | Is it ok to upgrade cubietruck to Buster |
| 18:42.56 | dvs | who? |
| 18:42.59 | ratrace | what? |
| 18:43.03 | dvs | when? |
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| 18:45.12 | humpled | got rid of swap |
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| 18:46.33 | ratrace | drained the swamp? |
| 18:46.49 | greycat | tomnor: what's a cubietruck? |
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| 18:47.22 | tomnor | thats a oneboard computer with arm |
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| 18:47.33 | tomnor | single board |
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| 18:47.44 | da3m0n22 | well that is fun, secureboot setup, hibernation won't work because of lockdown patches, STR wont work because of shitty DELL ACPI or NVME non-standard APSTE, and @humpled does not like no-shrek-swamp situations |
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| 18:48.29 | humpled | sorry slightly misread |
| 18:50.26 | sedrosken | so I need libopusfile0 and libopusfile0:i386 on the same machine for different reasons, is there anyway i can preserve both? apt-get removes one when i install the other |
| 18:50.57 | uRock | Do Buster installs usually come with Thai Terminal? Just curious as my gnome live image has it listed when I search Terminal, but not gnome-terminal. |
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| 18:51.51 | jhutchins_wk | sedrosken: Do you have multi-arch configured? |
| 18:52.03 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: I just verified it on buster with multiarch |
| 18:52.15 | sedrosken | I think so? |
| 18:52.17 | greycat | sedrosken: file a bug report... not sure if it's normal or wishlist |
| 18:53.37 | greycat | ,v libopusfile0 |
| 18:53.38 | judd | Package: libopusfile0 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6-1; stretch: 0.8-1+b1; bullseye: 0.9+20170913-1; buster: 0.9+20170913-1; sid: 0.9+20170913-1 |
| 18:53.59 | greycat | Looks like it hasn't been touched in a while. I don't know if it's abandoned.... |
| 18:55.41 | greycat | ,bug 923031 |
| 18:55.42 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/923031 in src:opusfile (open, patch): «opusfile: updated package (new upstream, multiarch-capable, etc.)»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-02-23; last modified: 2019-05-13. |
| 18:57.55 | sedrosken | hmm |
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| 18:58.47 | greycat | I really hope it's not abandoned in Debian. |
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| 18:58.53 | sedrosken | yeah it's because i need an i386 version of libsdl2-mixer for one of my other things, and ioquake3 depends on the amd64 version |
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| 18:59.12 | sedrosken | i can install the i386 ioquake3 but then i lose my launchers in the panel because it nukes quake3 |
| 19:00.00 | sedrosken | given that the version even on sid is almost two years out of date, i think it might be abandoned |
| 19:00.02 | greycat | so anyway, the bug is already filed, and in fact someone (not the maintainer) has actually *done* the work... |
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| 19:02.37 | sedrosken | I guess I'll track down the upstream source archives and build it myself? |
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| 19:03.23 | greycat | That'll do fine (and I've built my own vorbis/opus libs more than once), but you'll also want to satisfy the debian dependency, so you might be better off using the package from that bug report. Or equivs. |
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| 19:04.12 | sedrosken | yeah but that's just a .dsc file? I'll want to source the upsteam archives to use it, right? |
| 19:04.24 | sedrosken | unless i've got something completely wrong |
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| 19:06.35 | greycat | I haven't looked but I presume the other files are stored near the .dsc. |
| 19:06.55 | sedrosken | nope, just the dsc |
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| 19:07.48 | greycat | sedrosken: you're quite mistaken. They're right there. |
| 19:07.51 | greycat | https://mc.svnsa.tu-berlin.de/deb/opusfile/ |
| 19:08.11 | sedrosken | oh -- ohhhhh |
| 19:08.24 | sedrosken | i was looking in the bug report itself, not the directory listing |
| 19:08.28 | greycat | Figured I'd try that before manually pasting the filenames into a wget command. |
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| 19:11.50 | sedrosken | aha, now i just need a :i386 package that won't nuke this libopusfile0 |
| 19:11.52 | Scriptonaut | anyone know how I can create a directory and make it read/write only,but still allow a user to ls/traverse it? |
| 19:11.59 | Scriptonaut | since the execute bit needs to be set in order to do that |
| 19:12.08 | Scriptonaut | but I don't want them being able to execute binaries in there |
| 19:12.10 | sedrosken | because i still need the i386 build to satisfy the dependency for libsdl2-mixer:i386 |
| 19:12.22 | Habbie | Scriptonaut, if you don't want them executing binaries, don't +x the binaries for them |
| 19:12.27 | Habbie | Scriptonaut, but why do you want this? |
| 19:12.31 | Scriptonaut | Habbie: ok, is that the only reason? |
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| 19:12.46 | Habbie | Scriptonaut, no, there are several ways to accomplish this, but i'd like to know 'why' first :) |
| 19:12.54 | Scriptonaut | Habbie: because I have a directory that a web server user reads and writes files to, but it also contains some binaries |
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| 19:13.00 | greycat | sedrosken: if you have an i386 debian system somewhere, you could build it there |
| 19:13.05 | Scriptonaut | in the case that the webserver gets compromised, I don't want them able to execute those scripts |
| 19:13.22 | Habbie | would they be able to read the scripts? |
| 19:13.37 | Scriptonaut | Habbie: yes, though I'm not worried about that |
| 19:13.40 | Scriptonaut | there's nothing confidential in them |
| 19:13.44 | Habbie | why does execution worry you then? |
| 19:14.07 | Scriptonaut | because some of the scripts are deploy scripts and other things, actually I'm just realizing how stupid of a setup that is |
| 19:14.13 | Habbie | good :) |
| 19:14.25 | sedrosken | i guess i'll have to set up a vm |
| 19:14.30 | Scriptonaut | it wasn't my choice to put them there, I'm going to see if I can get us to move them to a better place |
| 19:14.36 | Habbie | that sounds wise |
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| 19:14.46 | Scriptonaut | ok, thanks |
| 19:16.49 | zerocool | anyone know of an easy-ish way to download attachments from multiple emails? |
| 19:17.22 | greycat | down.. load? |
| 19:17.35 | zerocool | ye |
| 19:17.40 | zerocool | save |
| 19:17.47 | Habbie | how are you accessing the emails? |
| 19:17.48 | greycat | sounds like you're not actually using email, but rather some sort of web product |
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| 19:17.59 | greycat | although I could be mistaken |
| 19:18.02 | zerocool | they're DMARC reports, I used to use KDE but since upgrading to buster, feature is gone |
| 19:18.27 | petn-randall | zerocool: Are you talking about kmail? Or what mail client are you using? |
| 19:18.32 | zerocool | yeah |
| 19:18.34 | zerocool | kmail |
| 19:18.45 | sedrosken | after consideration I think I'm gonna install pbuilder and do it that way |
| 19:19.00 | sedrosken | what a pain, an extra 100+ packages for one thing |
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| 19:19.35 | zerocool | Habbie: kmail, imap. |
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| 19:21.00 | zerocool | I used to be able to select all in folder, right click "Save All Attachments...", now it's gone, i can only do one at a time. i have opened a bug with KDE but I gotta do my job and i am not about to click 500 emails and "save attachment" |
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| 19:26.56 | mason | zerocool: https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/18696/download-all-attachments-from-an-imap-folder |
| 19:27.48 | petn-randall | zerocool: I know Thunderbird can do that, if you're willing to consider switching clients. |
| 19:27.58 | zerocool | mason: ahh, that looks simple enough, thanks! also I was about to ask if thunderbird could do this, always forget about thunderbird but i always like it when i use it |
| 19:28.04 | zerocool | petn-randall: right ^ |
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| 19:28.32 | zerocool | i really like kmail for some reason but yeah, i bet thunderbird is better. |
| 19:28.50 | zerocool | thanks for the suggestions |
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| 19:28.54 | zerocool | fellas |
| 19:28.56 | petn-randall | Not really judging, since I don't know kmail, just saying that you can do that with thunderbird. |
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| 19:38.25 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: should i put the bugreport against kernel package or elsewhere? |
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| 19:39.27 | jmcnaught | da3m0n22: I don't know really, but the bug can always be reassigned if needed |
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| 19:39.58 | villageidiot | A long time ago I altered a config file so when I connect to different VPNs static routes are applied automatically. For the life of me I can't find the file where this logic is applied. It's not in /etc/network/... and I've done a ton of googleing but have come up with nothing outside of that subfolder. Any clue where else network based rules could be applied durring a connection? |
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| 19:41.09 | da3m0n22 | jmcnaught: id better not clutter kernel maintenance team, ok, thanks |
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| 19:44.27 | petn-randall | villageidiot: Really depends on how you trigger your VPN connection. If you use `ifup <foo>`, it's likely somewhere below /etc/network/. Then openvpn also has a way to run scripts after then connection is up, those are below /etc/openvpn. |
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| 19:47.11 | villageidiot | petn-randall: thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's neither of those. The VPNs are Cysco connections and the ifup files don't have anything |
| 19:47.15 | gjasny | Hi, I'm the maintainer of v4l-utils and c-ares. Could someone please invite me to debian-mentors and debian-devel? |
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| 19:47.48 | villageidiot | I'm about to grep through the /etc/ folder for 'ip route add' and see what comes up but it seams rather extream |
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| 20:12.05 | JordiGH | It looks like every time I use apt update or upgrade my local network admin freaks out and thinks I'm using Tor. Does apt use Tor by default for anything? |
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| 20:12.25 | greycat | no |
| 20:12.39 | greycat | !deb.debian.org |
| 20:12.39 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 20:12.43 | Habbie | JordiGH, ask him to explain what exactly makes him think that |
| 20:13.34 | JordiGH | Habbie: Some contraption he calls "the IPS" sends him alerts, who understands these network dudes. |
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| 20:14.10 | JordiGH | I have non-Debian sources in my sources, so I wonder if perhaps that could be doing it. |
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| 20:14.19 | JordiGH | None of them look onion-like, though. |
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| 20:18.46 | petn-randall | JordiGH: Ask them for details. |
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| 20:20.12 | JordiGH | The details: https://jordi.platinum.edu.pl/piccies/image.png |
| 20:20.27 | JordiGH | chloe is my hostname. |
| 20:20.33 | JordiGH | I don't recognise anything else about this. |
| 20:23.08 | petn-randall | JordiGH: Tell them, their appliance is shit. |
| 20:23.16 | Habbie | JordiGH, presumably the Source IP means something to you? |
| 20:23.34 | JordiGH | Nope, does not. It looks like some arbitrary Tor exit node? |
| 20:23.40 | petn-randall | JordiGH: Likely there's a tor relay running on the same IP address, which is a total non-issue. |
| 20:23.51 | Habbie | ah yes, you're 192.168.x.x |
| 20:24.24 | Habbie | petn-randall, it's not on https://check.torproject.org/exit-addresses |
| 20:24.29 | JordiGH | zomg hax |
| 20:24.37 | JordiGH | Oh, so it's not an exit node. |
| 20:24.41 | petn-randall | It's *NOT* an exit node, it's an intermediate (relay) node. |
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| 20:24.47 | Habbie | oh, 'not exit' |
| 20:24.48 | Habbie | yes |
| 20:25.13 | Habbie | https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/F1A7CE1B1D558DC24E39B6B30FF217ECCEECF141 |
| 20:25.15 | petn-randall | Which makes the whole alert even more stupid. |
| 20:25.20 | JordiGH | petn-randall: What would running apt have anything to do with this? |
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| 20:26.13 | petn-randall | JordiGH: apt just does a normal https connection to the mirror. The crappy appliance throws an alert because the same IP address (on a different port) runs a tor relay. |
| 20:26.45 | Habbie | the port is in there even |
| 20:26.57 | JordiGH | Ohhhh. |
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| 20:27.18 | Habbie | note |
| 20:27.38 | Habbie | the tor relay might in fact also be on port 443 |
| 20:27.41 | JordiGH | Well, I tried looking at the connexions that apt was making and I didn't even see this one. |
| 20:27.51 | Habbie | in fact, that would be a great way to hide that traffic a bit, which benefits tor users |
| 20:27.56 | petn-randall | This is a kind of appliance that makes a lot of noise to make people think they need to buy a subscription. No sane admin would use something like that. |
| 20:28.01 | JordiGH | Looked at the domain names that apt reported; I didn't try netstat or whatever. |
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| 20:28.36 | petn-randall | JordiGH: You're likely using a http mirror that redirects. |
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| 20:28.42 | JordiGH | petn-randall: I shall pass on your report of my network dude's sanity. |
| 20:28.52 | petn-randall | (which is completely normal behaviour) |
| 20:28.57 | Habbie | JordiGH, next time you apt update, run tcpdump along with it, then when you get a complaint, see if you can match the IP |
| 20:29.07 | JordiGH | Habbie: sure, will do. |
| 20:29.14 | JordiGH | petn-randall: So what's "the IPS"? |
| 20:29.46 | JordiGH | Oh, must be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusion_detection_system |
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| 20:29.52 | greycat | JordiGH: it's your network chimp reporting it, not his... |
| 20:29.56 | Habbie | detection/prevention, yes |
| 20:30.17 | JordiGH | What a dumb name, if they needed a TLA, why not use ICE like in cyberpunk, would have been so much cooler. |
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| 20:31.02 | petn-randall | hehe |
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| 20:35.54 | Scriptonaut | I have a different nfs issue today. I did a chown on an nfs mount, and that caused every client connected to the nfs server to lose connection to the nfs server. I did a force lazy unmount of the nfs client, then tried to remount, and it just hangs |
| 20:36.22 | Scriptonaut | I restarted portmap, rpcbind, and nfs-common (well, stopped them all, then started them all, in that order), and I still can't mount the nfs drive on a client |
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| 20:36.58 | Scriptonaut | how should I go about mounting this nfs drive |
| 20:37.06 | Scriptonaut | or what can I do to diagnose the issue? |
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| 20:38.20 | petn-randall | Scriptonaut: Have you tried reverting the chown changes? |
| 20:38.48 | Scriptonaut | petn-randall: the chown changes seem to never have worked |
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| 20:39.03 | Scriptonaut | I was able to re-mount from a ubuntu client after doing the things I tried above |
| 20:39.06 | Scriptonaut | but the debian client is hanging |
| 20:39.09 | petn-randall | And in my (limited) experience with NFS it helps if you restart the client. You can probably clean up stale/broken mounts, but I never found out how. |
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| 20:39.31 | Scriptonaut | rebooting the client isn't an option right now, it's a production server in the middle of the day |
| 20:39.41 | Scriptonaut | and this is such a crappy server that it's never guaranteed to come back up |
| 20:39.49 | Scriptonaut | sometimes it just won't come back up |
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| 21:35.33 | Scriptonaut | if anyone is curious, I managed to remount the nfs client, by using the mount options vers=3 |
| 21:35.41 | Scriptonaut | for some reason it didn't want to remount with nfs4 |
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| 21:35.47 | Scriptonaut | but did it just fine with nfs3 |
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| 21:50.06 | sedrosken | alright I eventually used the dsc and original tar archives to produce an i386 build of libopusfile0, which doesn't complain about being installed alongside the amd64 version, allowing for the i386 version of libsdl2-mixer-2.0-0 to be installed |
| 21:50.33 | sedrosken | used pbuilder to produce the i386 build of libopusfile0, geez that took a while |
| 21:50.49 | sedrosken | then again I'm on a very slow machine with an even slower internet connection |
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| 22:02.06 | landia | Anyone use nftables to block new incoming traffic to docker containers? Used to just straight up bypass UFW when I was using that |
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| 22:39.56 | eblip | oh sorry forgot to update ..the upgrade from debian stretch to buster went fine ...got a tiny issue with minissdpd but everything else was working fine |
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| 22:40.43 | humpled | \o/ |
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| 22:51.02 | epony | WTF QoTD: "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page". |
| 22:51.08 | epony | no |
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| 22:52.21 | uRock | Lol, none of the pages I've designed have Java. |
| 22:52.58 | epony | That's from the GOOG.. |
| 22:53.51 | epony | In fact the majority of web sites display information just fine without any JS and most of them even look better without any CSS. |
| 22:54.01 | epony | :-D |
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| 22:55.52 | uRock | yup |
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| 22:56.35 | humpled | good luck |
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| 22:57.10 | epony | It works regardless of luck (or no luck) wishes :-) |
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| 23:12.35 | lpcrezende | nasrudin3: beep |
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| 23:51.39 | jcb2016 | guys i been reading the release notes for buster i did some stuff on here and it seems fine. i then changed my sources.list to buster ran an apt update now im doing a apt upgrade. im getting an error about inetutils-ping conflicts: ping E: Broken packages |
| 23:51.42 | jcb2016 | any ideas? |
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| 23:52.12 | jcb2016 | i just ran apt install inetutils-ping and it seemed fine |
| 23:53.03 | Gerowen | What is the appropriate way to view system tray icons for applications, in my case the Nextcloud client? |
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| 23:55.33 | jelly | ravioli, atop if the process lives for more than 10 seconds as that's the sampling frequency |
| 23:57.09 | jcb2016 | so i just removed inetutils-ping and eveything is working |
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| 23:59.42 | eb0t | on this page why are the torrent files 1 , 2 , 3 different sizes |
| 23:59.45 | eb0t | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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