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| 00:02.29 | eb0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.33 | eblip | thats why |
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| 00:09.54 | epsilon | eb0t: they contains the packages, not all packages fit on one dvd |
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| 00:11.42 | epsilon | eb0t: if the host to be installed has fast internet, consider using the netinstall image |
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| 00:12.02 | eb0t | ah ok thanks |
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| 00:56.37 | william | i have read in documentation that i really should not load third party stuff and that i should use only that which is in distribution. but pepperaudio will not work on my legacy 32 bit so what is good other than adobe flash |
| 00:57.18 | rjsalts | you're using chromium? |
| 00:57.48 | petn-randall | william: Are there still websites using flash? |
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| 00:58.46 | rjsalts | petn-randall: yeah, getting less and less with chrome asking for explicit permission to run each time though |
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| 01:01.19 | epony | people still use chrome? |
| 01:02.40 | rjsalts | epony: about 60% of the people by some measurements |
| 01:03.20 | epony | must be something like the IE with Win95 and later |
| 01:03.29 | epony | or wrong measures :-) |
| 01:05.40 | rjsalts | android does contribute in a similar way to IE bundled with windows |
| 01:05.50 | epony | yep |
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| 01:07.53 | Gerowen | Haven't used Debian in a while, is it normal for /sbin to not be in PATH? |
| 01:08.04 | Gerowen | Reasonably fresh installation, about 2 hours old. |
| 01:08.07 | rjsalts | Gerowen: for non-root users |
| 01:08.25 | rjsalts | Gerowen: if you're root /sbin and /usr/sbin will be in the PATH |
| 01:08.36 | ryouma | i stick it there anyway |
| 01:09.00 | epony | I have it in $PATH on my OS too (not Debian) |
| 01:09.23 | annadane | Gerowen, use su - instead of su |
| 01:09.34 | annadane | this is a change as of buster |
| 01:11.28 | Gerowen | annadane: So su -c "somecommand"? |
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| 01:13.10 | annadane | i think i've seen su - -c recommended |
| 01:13.11 | Gerowen | Ah I see, ok. |
| 01:13.16 | Gerowen | It's literally just su - |
| 01:13.19 | annadane | yep |
| 01:13.40 | Gerowen | That sets environment variables for root, whereas I guess if I just use normal su, it elevates permissions, but still has my personal variables in mind. |
| 01:13.42 | Gerowen | Trackin' |
| 01:13.44 | Gerowen | Like a missile |
| 01:13.51 | rjsalts | it's a login shell |
| 01:14.27 | annadane | i aliased grep to grep -i but haven't aliased su to su - because my muscle memory is so strong by this point anyway :P |
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| 01:22.19 | william | what plays wav files |
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| 01:22.56 | petn-randall | william: Most audio players do, it's a very basic encoding format. |
| 01:23.41 | annadane | *go to website* "sorry, you don't have realplayer installed" :P |
| 01:23.58 | Gerowen | annadane: Were you browsing archive.org or something? lol |
| 01:24.03 | ryouma | annadane: my grep function is TERM=xterm LC_ALL=C xzgrep -i --color=auto --devices=skip "$@" |
| 01:24.32 | annadane | we don't deserve vlc, what a wonderful bit of software |
| 01:24.41 | uRock | truth |
| 01:24.52 | ryouma | it is great |
| 01:25.18 | ryouma | it always has a bug with its non-fullscreen settings though |
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| 01:26.32 | william | petn-randall: sound is in applications but when i choose it i just get the preferences screen |
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| 01:29.36 | petn-randall | william: Sounds like you're not opening an application, but the sound settings. |
| 01:30.23 | annadane | william, are you trying to open a .wav file in some directory? you should be able to choose which application or even set the association for future, depending on what desktop environemnt you use |
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| 01:31.03 | annadane | (i like pcmanfm in this regard, it doesn't auto-set associations like thunar does but you can easily do it manually) |
| 01:31.07 | william | petn-randall: yes that is true so how do i open the app. I am buster amd32 |
| 01:31.51 | william | annadane:yes in a directory and i right click on the wav file and do not see any sound app to associate it with |
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| 01:32.40 | petn-randall | william: Install an audio player first. "vlc" for example works. |
| 01:32.46 | annadane | which file manager? and do you have something like vlc or mpv installed? |
| 01:33.10 | uRock | or Audacious |
| 01:33.18 | abrock | I want to install Debian stable and for partitioning I selected "Guided - use entire disk and set up encryptet LVM". It wants to create a 64GB swap partition and I want to make it smaller, how can I do that? |
| 01:33.19 | annadane | !start a media player war |
| 01:33.19 | dpkg | mplayer ownz you, and xine sucks ass! |
| 01:33.37 | uRock | lol |
| 01:33.54 | annadane | you can't just click the entry that says 64gb swap and enter a smaller size? |
| 01:34.10 | annadane | i haven't done it but i assume you can, if it's like a normal install |
| 01:34.11 | abrock | I'm using text installer, no clicking possible |
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| 01:34.49 | petn-randall | abrock: You should be able to override the settings, IIRC. |
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| 01:34.58 | abrock | I can press enter but it only lets me change "use as: swap" to something like fat32 |
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| 01:35.17 | petn-randall | abrock: You need to remove the partition, and create a smaller sized one. |
| 01:35.24 | petn-randall | The LV to be specific. |
| 01:35.27 | william | annadane: is vlc in distribution so i can just do apt-get install vlc |
| 01:35.35 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 01:35.35 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 01:35.36 | abrock | how can I delete the partition? |
| 01:35.41 | uRock | william, yes |
| 01:35.52 | petn-randall | abrock: In the logical volume manager settings. |
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| 01:37.12 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/stable/video/ :-) |
| 01:37.16 | annadane | but, yes, apt install vlc |
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| 01:37.39 | annadane | or apt-get or whatever |
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| 01:43.11 | abrock | hm, can't find any possibility to delete a partition |
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| 01:44.37 | petn-randall | You don't want to delete any partitions, you need to remove the LV. |
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| 01:46.34 | william | thanks guys |
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| 02:13.18 | abrock | I'm configuring manually now. Do I create one encrypted volume for both / and swap or one volume for each of them? |
| 02:15.02 | petn-randall | abrock: You create a single partition that you use as a LUKS container. In that you create a PV for lvm2, which you can then use to create a VG, which contains all the LVs. On the LVs you put your filesystems, and add them as mount points. :) |
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| 02:23.24 | abrock | Should I use UEFI? Debian will be the only OS |
| 02:24.38 | uRock | I have this graphics card, [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM], when I boot the Buster gnome live image nouveau doesn't set the resolution properly and there's no "Displays" option. Does this mean I am likely to need a driver? |
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| 02:27.11 | Unit193 | fglrx has been discontinued, so nope, guess not! |
| 02:30.13 | jmcnaught | uRock: you probably just need a non-free firmware |
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| 02:32.25 | uRock | jmcnaught, That's good to know. It seems I am going to need that for the WiFi cards, also. Where's the best place to download those debs to install manually via sneakernet? |
| 02:33.11 | jmcnaught | !firmware image |
| 02:33.11 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 02:33.34 | jmcnaught | uRock: ^ this ISO image includes most of the firmware packages |
| 02:34.38 | uRock | That's awesome! Thanks jmcnaught |
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| 02:36.04 | jmcnaught | uRock: there's also a section of the install manual that covers loading missing firmware and that section links to the firmwares and this non-free installer ISO if you ever forget where to get it |
| 02:37.26 | abrock | The installer says "No EFI partition found", is that bad? |
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| 02:38.21 | jmcnaught | abrock: you need a partition in FAT format mounted at /boot/efi if you want to boot with UEFI |
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| 02:38.58 | abrock | how big does it need to be? |
| 02:39.51 | BazookaTooth | 150-250mb works fine |
| 02:40.09 | abrock | do I also need a /boot partition? |
| 02:40.15 | BazookaTooth | apple uses 210mb for whatever reason |
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| 02:40.24 | BazookaTooth | yes |
| 02:41.19 | jmcnaught | abrock: why not do Guided partitioning, encrypted with LVM and then tweak the results after? |
| 02:41.37 | abrock | I can't figure out how to make the swap smaller |
| 02:41.52 | abrock | and the guide want 64GB swap since I have 64GB RAM |
| 02:42.00 | BazookaTooth | nope |
| 02:42.01 | jmcnaught | abrock: you add/remove LVM logical volumes with the "Configure LVM" menu option on the partitioner screen |
| 02:42.19 | jmcnaught | abrock: it will be with other "Configure â¦" menu options |
| 02:42.20 | BazookaTooth | use like 4gb |
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| 02:42.54 | jmcnaught | leave yourself some free space on the volume group too |
| 02:43.26 | abrock | why? |
| 02:44.31 | jmcnaught | You can use that free space to do snapshots of LVs that you can merge back to, or use the space to grow a volume later on |
| 02:45.15 | abrock | ok |
| 02:45.48 | abrock | Now I have a 100MB fat32 partition with mount point /boot/efi but when i enter "Finish partitioning" it complains about not EFI partition |
| 02:46.47 | jmcnaught | abrock: you probably need to select the partition and change its "use as" |
| 02:47.13 | jmcnaught | I always just use guided partitioning and let it create the ESP for me |
| 02:47.33 | abrock | ah, I was wondering what an "ESP" might b e |
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| 02:54.07 | karlpinc | : Also, if you have a SSD you help avoid write amplification by reserving space you never ever write to. |
| 02:54.31 | karlpinc | has left unpartitioned space for that purpose. |
| 02:55.55 | ryouma | the amplificaiton is only a factor of 2 though right? |
| 02:56.18 | ryouma | i am too afraid to wipe my drive, upgrade firmware, and repartition |
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| 03:05.12 | notbothot | Anyone here using a Zen 2? |
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| 03:05.32 | alexandros_tab | Good day, has anyone successful at configuring a rtl8811au chipset to work under bedian 10? Please tell me the github page that you used. There set that I found are either the source for does not work with the kernel of Debian 10 or support have been remove from the source. Thanks in advance. |
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| 03:19.46 | karlpinc | alexandros_tab: There is a "kernel handbook" if you want to build your own kernel. Otherwise, you could try looking for a newer kernel in the backports repo. (Assuming you know you can't use a stock kernel...) |
| 03:19.56 | karlpinc | ,kernels |
| 03:19.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy- |
| 03:19.57 | judd | backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1) |
| 03:20.42 | petn-randall | notbothot: It's best if you ask your real question. |
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| 03:30.28 | alexandros_tab | karlpinc: thanks for answering but you misunderstand my question. I am using kernel 4.19 which is the stock kernel for buster. I am asking about the rtl8811au driver. |
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| 03:31.36 | dvs | alexandros_tab, here's some instructions for jessie. Maybe it will work for buster: https://www.erol.name/compile-realtek-rtl8812au8821au-usb-wifi-driver-debian-jessie/ |
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| 03:37.31 | alexandros_tab | dvs: thanks but it doesn't work on buster, the driver is too old for the kernel |
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| 04:09.47 | berndj | how do i see what scripts tried to run when i installed some package? i have dpkg --script <packagename> in my .bash_history, but that doesn't seem to be a valid option (anymore?). same with s/dpkg/dpkg-query/; also in history, also a bad option |
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| 04:37.19 | alkisg | berndj: the preinst/postinst etc scripts of the .deb package are run, and they're stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst etc |
| 04:37.34 | alkisg | Of course those can run whatever other scripts or binaries they want |
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| 05:08.41 | Kali_Yuga | Hello I'm trying to install debian, I made a bootable USB Stick but it only boots with grub. If I type 'boot' it tells me: error: you need to load kernel first! |
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| 05:10.08 | Kali_Yuga | I verified the .iso |
| 05:13.55 | Kali_Yuga | Is there something wrong with the image. idk how to load a kernel within grub |
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| 05:27.32 | klys | kali_yuga, are you at the grub> prompt now? |
| 05:28.01 | Kali_Yuga | no I booted back to my OS |
| 05:29.20 | klys | you can get a bootable debian installer on usb disk media with the program here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/files/Archive/ |
| 05:29.36 | klys | just put the .iso on your usb disk |
| 05:29.56 | klys | it will erase the usb disk's contents, so back that up if you need to. |
| 05:30.31 | Kali_Yuga | I did this already with sudo dd |
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| 05:31.06 | klys | what was your dd command's of= parameter? |
| 05:31.12 | Kali_Yuga | It's just it won't boot and drops me into a grub> prompt yes |
| 05:31.54 | Kali_Yuga | sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/username/Downloads/debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdc1 status=progress oflag=sync |
| 05:32.10 | klys | try with of=/dev/sdc instead. |
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| 05:33.12 | Kali_Yuga | well it changes everythime now it's under /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:33.23 | klys | make sure with fdisk -l |
| 05:33.36 | klys | and then yeah you can use /dev/sdb if that's really it. |
| 05:34.21 | klys | I get that too, sometimes /dev/sda is a ramdisk |
| 05:34.32 | Kali_Yuga | well yes it is already on the stick if not it wouldn't drop me into a grub prompt |
| 05:34.54 | klys | well you need to overwrite the entire disk if you want to do it that way |
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| 05:35.04 | klys | not just the first partition |
| 05:36.56 | Kali_Yuga | what do you mean I need to format entire disk? Can I not just start a usual live session? Or a graphical installer or something. why am I in grub? |
| 05:37.55 | klys | I mean the correct command is: sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/username/Downloads/debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdc status=progress oflag=sync |
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| 05:39.19 | Kali_Yuga | I already have the USB stick. I see all the files on there already |
| 05:39.52 | klys | kali_yuga, it might be possible to guide you to a configfile if you have the grub> prompt handy |
| 05:40.04 | klys | grub> ls |
| 05:42.12 | Kali_Yuga | ok |
| 05:42.37 | EmleyMoor | It's very possible you can see the files but if you've not overwritten the whole device then it's very likely the boot loader is in the wrong place |
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| 05:44.04 | Kali_Yuga | EmleyMoor: I have formatted the USB drive before putting debian on there. Do you mean a slow format in that case? |
| 05:44.25 | klys | kali_yuga, a format using the dd command with of=/dev/sdc |
| 05:45.14 | Kali_Yuga | I have only formatted it using the disk utility in fat32 |
| 05:45.31 | klys | it will not be possible to use fat32 on such a disk. |
| 05:45.56 | klys | the filesystem will overwrite the partitino table of the usb disk. |
| 05:46.13 | klys | s/partitino/partition/ |
| 05:46.43 | EmleyMoor | If you had a number at the end of your of parameter, you did it wrong |
| 05:48.51 | Kali_Yuga | Okay I will reformat using "/dev/sdb" instead of "/dev/sdb1". Is it correct this way? |
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| 05:49.45 | EmleyMoor | Yes, that's the way. No number |
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| 05:50.26 | EmleyMoor | You want to write to the disk, not a partition of it |
| 05:50.51 | Kali_Yuga | EmleyMoor: Ah, now that makes sense now |
| 05:51.18 | alkisg | Kali_Yuga: normally, you wouldn't even see a grub prompt, you'd see a "not bootable disk"; which means that an older grub is booting, that was in the stick before the dd command |
| 05:53.40 | Kali_Yuga | okay doing this now without the number. thx very much for the help guys |
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| 05:58.48 | Kali_Yuga | done, trying to boot this now... |
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| 06:04.04 | EmleyMoor | This was one point of confusion that never occurred with floppies, though people did the wrong thing trying to set those up too |
| 06:04.48 | Kali_Yuga | Ok it works now. Thanks very much again. I knew somehow it must have been user error since I verified the image. dumb me |
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| 06:18.33 | Jck_true | I just wanna say a quick thanks to whoever it was who helped me in here yesterday... I was stuck with a debian server that wouldn't bring up a network interface causing me to use a remote recovery terminal. But since I didn't have a license for post boot debugging I would only get ~60 seconds before having to relaunch the program... Jesus what a |
| 06:18.34 | Jck_true | clusterfuck that was... |
| 06:23.52 | met | what system requires a license for post boot debugging? |
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| 06:34.22 | tagomago | Hey people! Thinking about upgrading to Buster (from Stretch). I'd like try Xfce instead of MATE but also to keep all my other programs and config... What should I do? Is there any script that does that? Thanks!!! |
| 06:39.52 | diogenes_ | tagomago, backup ~/.config |
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| 06:44.18 | tagomago | diogenes_ and then? I mean, how do I apply that config to a fresh install? |
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| 06:45.42 | diogenes_ | tagomago, do you have a separate /home |
| 06:46.02 | gorilla | I have upgraded my Debian from from Stretch to Buster. I'm experiencing an issue with --configure of fuse: installed fuse package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 |
| 06:46.04 | tagomago | Yeah, I have my home at a separate partition. What I'd like to avoid is to reinstall everything manually, basically. |
| 06:47.37 | diogenes_ | tagomago, the thing is this, buster have newer libraries and newer software and older ones depend on older versions of the libraries so the majority won't work in the newer version so in the end some of then would require re-installation. |
| 06:48.42 | diogenes_ | and i'd recommend a fresh install instead of upgrade but that's just my preferred way to avoid complications and headache. |
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| 06:49.58 | tagomago | diogenes_ Yeah, I understand. If only there was a script that checks that and reinstalls all programs for you, based on the apt cache or something... that would be great. |
| 06:50.50 | Haohmaru | make a backup and upgrade it to 10 |
| 06:51.00 | Haohmaru | then install xfce and try it out |
| 06:51.22 | Haohmaru | or get a debian10 live iso with xfce onto a bootable usb flash stick |
| 06:52.13 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.13 | dpkg | selects humpled's ultra-s3kr3t collection |
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| 06:52.22 | humpled | ooh |
| 06:52.28 | Haohmaru | busted! |
| 06:52.39 | humpled | dpkg --set-selections |
| 06:52.39 | dpkg | humpled: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 06:52.47 | humpled | stuff like that |
| 06:54.14 | humpled | as well as that i zip up all my dot files and all my /etc/ files in case i've made changes i need to redo |
| 06:54.55 | alkisg | tagomago: afaik you can just upgrade, then install xfce. If you find it better, at that point you can see how to uninstall mate. |
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| 06:56.46 | tagomago | Thanks humpled! So I got my package list... how do I apply that to a fresh install? |
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| 06:57.23 | tagomago | Oh, --set-selections? |
| 06:57.37 | humpled | yes and one other line which i forget |
| 06:57.51 | alkisg | Wouldn't that just install mate again? :) |
| 06:58.13 | tagomago | I'll check that on the Internetz! :-D thanks |
| 06:58.28 | humpled | yes it would alkisg |
| 06:58.48 | alkisg | I thought the point of clean install was for tagomago to avoid mate... |
| 06:58.49 | tagomago | aaargh |
| 06:59.02 | tagomago | Yeah. |
| 06:59.49 | tagomago | Would be great to filter DE related packages somehow. |
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| 07:00.14 | alkisg | The way I do this is: I move all dirs to /srv/old-install, except for home, then install, then if I remember that I need something from my old /etc, I find it in /srv/old-install |
| 07:00.30 | alkisg | And I have a long line of `apt install my-packages`, with my packages :) |
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| 07:02.09 | tagomago | That line coming from dpkg get-selections? |
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| 07:02.43 | alkisg | Nope, from manually looking the installed packages once, so that I see which packages I actually want; I keep that list and don't really change it in newer installations |
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| 07:03.51 | humpled | there must be a way of showing all the dependencies of task-mate-desktop, if that was how you installed mate |
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| 07:04.34 | tagomago | I think I doomed to do just that, alkisg. |
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| 07:04.43 | humpled | can be easier to just glance through the list |
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| 07:05.30 | alkisg | tagomago: you may also do a "diff" between your current list, and the list obtained from the jessie mate cd, so that you examine fewer packages |
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| 07:05.54 | alkisg | It's a good idea to keep the list right after a clean install, to make the diff easier later on |
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| 07:09.15 | tagomago | 'Cause uninstalling MATE after installing Xfce sounds painful to me, in terms of messing up the DE menu, etc. I always feel scared of those things (because I do my job on this machine and I'm such a basic user). |
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| 07:10.32 | alkisg | tagomago: I'm not sure what you mean about the menu. The initial menu is decided by mate-panel code; if you adjusted it, it's stored in gsettings, which aren't removed on clean installations as they're in home |
| 07:11.20 | alkisg | I.e. if you put a shortcut to vlc on the panel, then clean-installed buster xfce, and then after 2 years you installed mate again, the shortcut to vlc would still be there, as it's in your /home/username/.config/dconf settings |
| 07:11.23 | tagomago | The menu where you select the DE (when there's more than one) |
| 07:11.39 | diogenes_ | tagomago, if you took your time to do a fresh install since the time you entered here then by now you would have already had your new system all setup and running :) |
| 07:11.41 | alkisg | Ah you mean the login screen, the display manager? |
| 07:12.07 | tagomago | diogenes_ :__D |
| 07:12.13 | alkisg | That's just a menu that displays the available DEs, nothing significant there... |
| 07:13.05 | tagomago | So if I uninstall MATE, that menu goes away? |
| 07:13.11 | alkisg | Yes |
| 07:13.19 | alkisg | ls /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 07:13.31 | alkisg | The .desktop files there are the available DEs, and generate that menu |
| 07:13.45 | tagomago | Oh, I suddenly lost my fear. |
| 07:13.52 | alkisg | :D |
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| 07:14.57 | diogenes_ | a glass of whiskey would help to lose it completely :) |
| 07:15.11 | tagomago | :D |
| 07:15.55 | Haohmaru | gives tagomago a pack of RedBulls |
| 07:16.20 | tagomago | :D :D |
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| 07:17.34 | tagomago | Gee, I'll try to decide this weekend, thanks a lot to everyone! |
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| 07:55.18 | Jck_true | I installed docker and added my account to the docker group. But I still get denied permission... Finding a random selection of suggestions online but I would prefer to follow the offical installation documentation... |
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| 07:58.11 | Haohmaru | you added yourself to some group, note that changes might not apply yet |
| 07:58.36 | Haohmaru | at least according to my eggsperience |
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| 07:59.05 | Jck_true | I rebooted the entire server just to be sure. And I'm still in the group |
| 07:59.23 | Haohmaru | k, then *shrug* |
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| 08:04.52 | _bouzu_ | Jck_true, can you double check you added the user to the same group which ownes /var/run/docker.sock ? |
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| 08:05.56 | Jck_true | _bouzu_: srw-rw---- 1 root systemd-coredump 0 Jul 18 10:01 docker.sock |
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| 08:08.04 | Jck_true | I'm fairly sure it shouldn't be owned by systemd-coredump .... |
| 08:09.06 | _bouzu_ | Jck_true, guess thats the issue. should be owned by root:docker. looks like some uid conflict. workaround may be adding your user to group systemd-coredump, relog and docker should be usable. maybe some hardcoded uids in docker install scripts. well whatever |
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| 08:10.02 | Jck_true | sudo chown root:docker docker.sock That seems to fix it... |
| 08:10.59 | Jck_true | No to fix samba and I'll my reinstall will finally be successful :) |
| 08:11.02 | Jck_true | now* |
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| 08:11.08 | _bouzu_ | Jck_true, yeah but the socket gets recreated on boot. beware as this should only be a temp fix |
| 08:13.32 | Jck_true | Uff... Oh well - I'll leave the sorrows for another time :) |
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| 08:20.14 | samsa__ | hi. im running debian buster. all of the sudden I am not able to start gpodder: "/usr/bin/gpodder:42: DeprecationWarning: Importing dbus.glib to use the GLib main loop with dbus-python is deprecated." any ideas? |
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| 08:21.57 | Habbie | samsa__, that's a warning, it should not be preventing you from doing that |
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| 08:24.14 | samsa__ | Habbie, ok, but the program is not starting. here is the full "error message": https://pastebin.com/64Jh6sZZ |
| 08:24.45 | Habbie | 1563438207.703105 [__main__] INFO: Activating existing instance via D-Bus. |
| 08:24.47 | Habbie | it thinks it is already running |
| 08:25.14 | samsa__ | Habbie, ok, I will killall and see what happens... |
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| 08:26.36 | samsa__ | Habbie, You were right!!! Thank god. I have been messing around with this for half a hour! Thank you. |
| 08:26.55 | Habbie | yay |
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| 08:31.22 | Bonux | Hey, is there someone to help? |
| 08:31.52 | EmleyMoor | Bonux: Describe your problem fully and we might be able to |
| 08:33.07 | Bonux | After reinstalling win10 grub booloader dissapeared from boot menu, i'm currently in debian live gnome (first option), my boot is ont /boot/efi and windows is bootable. |
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| 08:34.23 | catbeard | having an issue getting logstash to listen on tcp/udp |
| 08:34.34 | catbeard | debian 9.5 |
| 08:35.56 | catbeard | the service starts, but no port is then listening after i add logstash.conf per http://devconnected.com/monitoring-linux-logs-with-kibana-and-rsyslog/#IV_Installing_The_Different_Tools |
| 08:36.20 | EmleyMoor | Bonux: Sounds like you need to get into your Debian setup and reinstall grub... if there's no option to do that on anything you can boot from, you could always try a copy of Super Grub2 Disk to see if that can get you in |
| 08:37.25 | EmleyMoor | catbeard, are you actually using Debian? |
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| 08:37.34 | catbeard | yes |
| 08:37.51 | catbeard | 9.9 stretch |
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| 08:38.37 | EmleyMoor | OK, and what is not open that you think should be? |
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| 08:39.08 | catbeard | EmleyMoor: http://devconnected.com/monitoring-linux-logs-with-kibana-and-rsyslog/#a_Routing_from_Logstash_to_ElasticSearch |
| 08:39.11 | catbeard | that part |
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| 08:40.33 | EmleyMoor | Are you saying that netstat output doesn't appear? |
| 08:41.21 | catbeard | ya it doesn't have the port specified in logstash.conf listening after restarting the service |
| 08:41.25 | EmleyMoor | Where did you install this from? |
| 08:41.31 | catbeard | this guide |
| 08:41.53 | EmleyMoor | No, not "what instructions", where? |
| 08:41.54 | catbeard | followed all the steps, and it worked up until now on the logstash listening port part |
| 08:42.06 | catbeard | install what, debian, logstash? |
| 08:42.15 | EmleyMoor | logstash |
| 08:42.22 | EmleyMoor | (I note it's not in Debian) |
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| 08:42.53 | Bonux | EmleyMoor: I'm in live usb currently, tried mounting drives, then chrooting into root partition, but there is no grub-install or update-grub command available. I was wondering for future is there a way to recover or reinstall boot from live usb? |
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| 08:43.45 | EmleyMoor | Bonux, I've never used the live USB. I'm more familiar with the regular installer. Maybe someone else can find a way forward for you? |
| 08:43.55 | catbeard | Get:1 https://artifacts.elastic.co/packages/7.x/apt stable/main amd64 logstash all 1:7.2.0-1 [173 MB] |
| 08:44.24 | EmleyMoor | OK, so it's a third-party package. Where does it say it's suitable for stretch? |
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| 08:45.00 | EmleyMoor | Actually I do see the instructions referring to Debian |
| 08:45.09 | catbeard | i don't guess it does, there's actually a warning on install |
| 08:45.11 | catbeard | Using provided startup.options file: /etc/logstash/startup.options |
| 08:45.13 | catbeard | /usr/share/logstash/vendor/bundle/jruby/2.5.0/gems/pleaserun-0.0.30/lib/pleaserun/platform/base.rb:112: warning: constant ::Fixnum is deprecated |
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| 08:46.37 | EmleyMoor | Are you familiar with posting to a pastebin? If so, please put your logstash.conf there, and the output of ps auwwwwwwx | grep logstash, and post the references here |
| 08:47.01 | Bonux | EmleyMoor: I will try the grub2 iso then. |
| 08:47.02 | EmleyMoor | (if not, may I suggest you take a look at paste.debian.net?) |
| 08:47.26 | EmleyMoor | Bonux, By all means give it a try if no-one else makes a suggestion |
| 08:47.40 | Bonux | ;) |
| 08:47.43 | EmleyMoor | Last time I lost my grub that's how I fixed mine (but that was years ago!) |
| 08:48.16 | Bonux | Huh, i play with distros too often to last me years. |
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| 08:50.56 | catbeard | EmleyMoor: https://kopy.io/rvmLZ#PJyBabVTYXX7Yx |
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| 08:52.22 | catbeard | there it goes |
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| 08:55.55 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... nothing obvious. If I were you I'd email schkn about it... this is likely not related to Debian itself |
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| 09:10.48 | bonux | Hey, i managed to repair my grub with boot-repair iso. I was one click. And now grub shows even old windows install. |
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| 09:15.50 | humpled | weird that update-grub wasn't available in teh chroot |
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| 09:37.07 | francesco_ | Hi. What's a good open-source alternative to Skype, available in the debian repos? |
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| 09:38.09 | Mathisen | francesco_, https://alternativeto.net/software/skype/?license=opensource |
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| 09:41.43 | francesco_ | Do you have any favourite, of your own Mathisen? |
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| 09:42.19 | Mathisen | francesco_, signal, but i dont use video chat |
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| 09:43.12 | Mathisen | it will come down to what features you want. most on that list are fine to use |
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| 09:46.08 | francesco_ | Thanks. |
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| 10:07.30 | wuzamarine | after adding a subinterface, I can no long restart my networking services. http://dpaste.com/2R98Z68 |
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| 10:11.19 | ratrace | wuzamarine: that's the legacy method, perhaps you should use the iproute method: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_one_Interface |
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| 10:19.20 | Ticho | oh wow, debian doesn't allow you to set labels for the IPs unless you use the manual method? |
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| 10:27.35 | BCMM | Mathisen: signal doesn't do voice or video on desktop yet :( |
| 10:28.31 | BCMM | its... very mobile-first |
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| 10:29.11 | Mathisen | yep, and it works for me. i replaced telegram with signal for my needs |
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| 10:30.55 | RiverLi | hey |
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| 10:37.01 | wuzamarine | ratrace: same error using allow hot-plug http://dpaste.com/1CJ95JK |
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| 10:46.34 | Ticho | wuzamarine: the point was not allow-hotplug, but rather no longer using the :0 alias |
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| 10:46.54 | Ticho | look again at the differences on that wiki page |
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| 10:49.27 | wuzamarine | Ticho: Thank you! |
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| 11:20.43 | bune | how to join debian next |
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| 11:21.42 | themill | !#debian-next |
| 11:21.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:21.58 | bune | #debian-next |
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| 11:29.00 | diogenes_ | hehe i wonder who is the person in charge to make up the code names for the upcoming releases, they're quite funny: wheezy, stretch, buster and now bullseye :) |
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| 11:30.48 | _bouzu_ | "Releases of the Debian distribution have both traditional version numbers and codenames based on characters from the Pixar/Disney movie "Toy Story" (1995). Sid, as you may recall, was the evil neighbor kid who broke all the toys. Additionally, the codename for the Experimental repository, RC-Buggy, was Andy's toy car, and is a pun on 'Release Critical' and 'Remote Control.'" (from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRelea |
| 11:30.48 | _bouzu_ | ses) :) |
| 11:31.32 | didar | diogenes_: ^^^ |
| 11:32.00 | themill | (and then bookworm) |
| 11:32.08 | diogenes_ | nice, thanks :) |
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| 11:32.50 | diogenes_ | so Sid is the evil one who breaks everything :)) |
| 11:33.03 | didar | yep |
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| 11:33.12 | Haohmaru | am i the only one who doesn't find that funny? >:( |
| 11:33.27 | themill | yes |
| 11:33.31 | diogenes_ | lol |
| 11:33.33 | didar | second that |
| 11:33.33 | Haohmaru | >8( |
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| 11:36.13 | didar | I am planning to use Sid (in about 6 months) as a main GNU/Linux system.. currently I use Ubuntu LTS 16.04 as primary system, is it a good idea to go with SId? |
| 11:36.14 | Haohmaru | well, it could've been worse, it could've been names of pokemons x_x |
| 11:36.51 | didar | Also, these are VMs inside VirtualBox on Windows 10 |
| 11:37.00 | didar | Need it for some windows only software |
| 11:37.08 | didar | any thoughts? |
| 11:37.27 | Haohmaru | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 11:37.48 | ralpheeee | last 3 days my laptop has shutdown without any warning...out of the blue....how can determine what was the root cause |
| 11:38.19 | didar | Haohmaru, thanks for that, already read that |
| 11:38.32 | didar | I am looking for informed experiences |
| 11:38.39 | diogenes_ | ralpheeee, did it restart back automatically or just shutdown? |
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| 11:39.02 | Haohmaru | you need a computer psychologist then |
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| 11:39.09 | ralpheeee | diogenes_: just shutdown...as if someone pulled plug/battery out |
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| 11:39.22 | didar | Nice |
| 11:39.29 | diogenes_ | ralpheeee, what CPU? |
| 11:39.32 | didar | this is like being back to the 90s chat rooms :)) |
| 11:39.39 | _bouzu_ | ralpheeee, maybe check /var/log/kern.log for hints? |
| 11:39.45 | ralpheeee | its an x230 |
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| 11:40.16 | themill | didar: the general rule is that if you're asking, you probably shouldn't. There's no real need to run sid. It's designed mostly for automated testing as a gate against broken packages entering testing |
| 11:40.37 | didar | so Stable + Backports then? |
| 11:40.37 | TrentP | ralphee: I suppose with a laptop that could be either over-heating or a failing power supply. |
| 11:40.49 | themill | didar: yes |
| 11:41.12 | didar | ok |
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| 11:42.09 | ralpheeee | i have battery as well as power supply plugged in....will go through the kernel log |
| 11:47.43 | ralpheeee | my debian kung fu skills sucks... http://ix.io/1OOn |
| 11:48.15 | ralpheeee | cant really see anything which stands out from kern.log |
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| 11:49.26 | _bouzu_ | ralpheeee, do you know which time your machine crashed? |
| 11:49.47 | ralpheeee | roughly about an hour ago |
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| 11:54.16 | _bouzu_ | ralpheeee, when there is nothing there it may be some power connectivity issue and it just went off. |
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| 11:54.53 | _bouzu_ | i mean at that given time in the kernel logs |
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| 11:56.54 | HackphiL | hi there |
| 11:56.59 | HackphiL | i to all |
| 11:57.18 | kirk781 | HackphiL, hello |
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| 12:27.16 | wwilliam | Hello |
| 12:27.25 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzz |
| 12:28.00 | wwilliam | can anyone help with this trying to mount the nfs share i get that I am already using the insecure flag in /etc/exports |
| 12:28.02 | wwilliam | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting |
| 12:28.08 | wwilliam | Thank you. |
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| 12:28.41 | wwilliam | PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)" |
| 12:29.01 | greycat | the server has to allow your client access in /etc/exports, using whatever name the server THINKS your client is (at the time nfs services are started), and of course you must run exportfs -a after adding lines in /etc/exports |
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| 12:29.15 | lukask_ | hi folks. playing around with sparc64 ldoms and i'm wondering if there are any bootable filesystem images of debian/sparc64 |
| 12:29.24 | wwilliam | I did that greycat |
| 12:29.25 | lukask_ | or the installer. |
| 12:29.35 | greycat | Then you read the server logs and find out what the problem is. |
| 12:29.42 | wwilliam | yes |
| 12:29.51 | jrtc27 | lukask_: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/ |
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| 12:30.02 | jrtc27 | (/current/sparc64) |
| 12:30.13 | wwilliam | but the solution which is to add the insecure flat in /etc/exports is not working |
| 12:30.15 | lukask_ | oh, can they dd'd on a image? |
| 12:30.21 | jrtc27 | they're isos |
| 12:30.33 | greycat | wwilliam: find the log message and paste it |
| 12:30.34 | jrtc27 | should be able to just provide them to an ldom as a cd drive |
| 12:30.39 | wwilliam | ok |
| 12:30.53 | lukask_ | @jrtc27 thank you! i hope that works |
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| 12:32.24 | wwilliam | 2019-07-17T14:26:42.852231-04:00 PrismaDC rpc.mountd[10683]: refused mount request from 10.16.1.143 for /u/Prisma_U4 (/u/Prisma_U4): illegal port 64140 |
| 12:32.39 | greycat | Well, that's a new one to me. |
| 12:32.59 | dvs | ??? |
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| 12:33.40 | jrtc27 | lukask_: FYI, adding an ISO is the same as any other vdisk, just point it at the file |
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| 12:34.03 | jrtc27 | you don't need to (and can't) tell it to do anything different, they all look the same to the host and guest |
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| 12:35.03 | lukask_ | @jrtc27 i'm using openbsd on the host, not solaris. so maybe it won't work, but i'll test it asap. |
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| 12:36.05 | jrtc27 | lukask_: shouldn't matter, should just be relaying commands to the underlying firmware or whatever manages these things, I think |
| 12:37.39 | lukask_ | @jrtc27 kk. downloading right now :) |
| 12:38.48 | wwilliam | greycat: fixed there was another entry in the logs: |
| 12:38.58 | wwilliam | 2019-07-17T14:52:44.482850-04:00 PrismaDC rpc.mountd[14969]: refused mount request from 10.16.1.143 for /u/Prisma_U4 (/u/Prisma_U4): unmatched host |
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| 12:39.24 | wwilliam | I added the subnet to /etc/exports did exportfs -a |
| 12:39.29 | wwilliam | and it mounted |
| 12:39.35 | wwilliam | thank you for your time. |
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| 13:04.49 | lukask_ | @jrtc27 seems to work! thanks! |
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| 13:15.56 | eblip | hey if i have a usb with an iso on it and i want to put a new debian netinstal on the usb stick, i will do it using dd |
| 13:16.11 | eblip | but i believe that i dont have to format the usb to do this ..just dd the image to the usb |
| 13:16.23 | Mathisen | eblip, that is correct |
| 13:16.25 | Haohmaru | yes |
| 13:16.26 | eblip | but what i want to know is what filesytem will it be placed on if i dont specify |
| 13:16.27 | greycat | whatever was on the device previously will be overwritten |
| 13:16.49 | Haohmaru | the image contains a partition table and partitions |
| 13:17.00 | eblip | i mean does dd also format the dvd to vfat or something |
| 13:17.00 | Mathisen | eblip, the one that the image .iso .img whatever includes |
| 13:17.01 | greycat | dd-ing or cp-ing the image to the device will create the disk label, the partition(s), the data inside the partition(s), all of it, everything |
| 13:17.03 | Haohmaru | so it's all set already |
| 13:17.04 | babilen | You can just "cp debian.image /dev/sdX; sync" and you're done |
| 13:17.10 | eblip | ah ok |
| 13:17.33 | babilen | (find cp to have nicer syntax for such an easy "copy all") |
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| 13:17.44 | Mathisen | babilen, huh ? does cp really work |
| 13:17.44 | greycat | eblip: you said usb first, and then you said dvd. they are VERY different things. |
| 13:17.45 | eblip | dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdh1 bs=1MB |
| 13:17.51 | greycat | eblip: NO |
| 13:17.55 | greycat | NOT sdh1 |
| 13:18.01 | eblip | ah just sdh |
| 13:18.08 | dvs | /dev/sdh |
| 13:18.12 | eblip | thanks |
| 13:18.22 | greycat | Mathisen: yes, and it's what the release notes say to use. |
| 13:18.22 | babilen | Just use cp .. no need to type all of that or specify a (most likely) suboptimal blocksize |
| 13:18.53 | Mathisen | i need to remember this.. and this works for any image ? |
| 13:19.13 | greycat | dd does the same thing as cp, except it defaults to a block size of 512 bytes, because History |
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| 13:19.20 | Mathisen | ahh ok |
| 13:19.38 | benizac | ok quoi ? |
| 13:20.29 | petn-randall | hi benizac |
| 13:21.08 | benizac | sorry, wrong channel ;-) |
| 13:21.26 | benizac | but hi petn-randall |
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| 13:31.09 | alkisg | dd has a nice status=progress though :) |
| 13:31.26 | greycat | yeah, it's basically cp with a bunch of extra knobs, bells and whistles |
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| 13:36.21 | Haohmaru | tweaks all teh knobs |
| 13:37.19 | colo-work | hehe |
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| 13:39.01 | mystictot | Hi, I'm trying to build my debian package from package source |
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| 13:39.15 | mystictot | i did following steps |
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| 13:39.53 | mystictot | https://pastebin.com/raw/UvWK2y7e |
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| 13:40.50 | mystictot | but after build is finished i didn;t see any package in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ ? |
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| 13:41.19 | mystictot | Did I miss something ? |
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| 13:52.19 | smev81 | I think I found a bug, that has not been reported, but I am not a long time debian user and might miss something. Bug is: Steam can not connect. |
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| 13:53.25 | zodd | smev81, in which *Debian package* does this bug occure? |
| 13:53.40 | Haohmaru | non-free steam ;P~ |
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| 13:53.43 | Toba | that is a very vague bug.... |
| 13:53.48 | Toba | Report it to Valve IMO |
| 13:53.52 | zodd | yep |
| 13:53.56 | Haohmaru | +1 |
| 13:54.13 | Toba | if Valve finds the problem lies with Debian they should report that to Debian |
| 13:54.27 | Toba | with more detail than "can't connect" |
| 13:54.43 | Haohmaru | "it dun wurk" |
| 13:55.02 | Toba | which is the most useless description of a bug I have ever heard... but, given modern software UI trends toward only showing the most useless error messages imaginable with no technical details, I wouldn't be surprised if its all the info you have |
| 13:55.44 | Haohmaru | "we are prepairing some things..." |
| 13:55.49 | Toba | For instance the (closed) android Tumblr app says various cutesy messages like "weird connection" and "connection went bloop" when it can't connect |
| 13:55.49 | Haohmaru | "oops" |
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| 13:56.15 | Toba | you get it Haohmaru :) |
| 13:56.35 | smev81 | Steam - Error: "Could not connect to Steam network" "This could be due to a problem with your internet connection, or with the Steam network. Please visit www.sterampowered.com for more info." |
| 13:56.36 | Haohmaru | yeah, i've seen crapdows10 x_x |
| 13:56.41 | BCMM | smev81: debian developers don't have access to the source code of steam, so they probably *can't* fix your bug. however, how long have you had this problem/when did you last update? |
| 13:57.17 | BCMM | smev81: some people reported that Steam had problems connecting after recent kernel changes to mitigate a DoS vuln in the kernel's networking stuff |
| 13:57.18 | smev81 | I installed debian 10 and did have the same response since the last 4 days. |
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| 13:58.32 | Toba | BCMM: you mean the SACK patches? |
| 13:58.59 | BCMM | Toba: the timing approximately matched up, but i'm not sure if i ever saw any completely clear explanation of what was going on |
| 13:59.14 | BCMM | https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/6326 issues is still open on github |
| 13:59.37 | smev81 | https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/6326 |
| 13:59.40 | smev81 | You might be right |
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| 14:00.33 | DevilTiger | i went to install php on my debian10 VM and wasn't paying attention and it removed my mongoDB install. how can i find out why? https://pastebin.com/XZ4wimFy |
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| 14:02.45 | BCMM | smev81: thing is, it's working fine for me on sid, but some people are still saying they have problems. i don't know... try the -tcp thing maybe |
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| 14:04.53 | BCMM | oh, i hadn't seen this one https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/6326 |
| 14:05.14 | jrtc27 | mystictot: given debuild is the same as pdebuild --use-pdebuild-internal, the result should be in ../ |
| 14:07.24 | TrentP | transmission-daemon in buster works better than the version in stretch, doesn't stall out |
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| 14:12.11 | uRock | jmcnaught, The non-free ISO you pointing me to yesterday did the trick. Thanks! |
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| 14:27.07 | pyfgcr | I installed unifont, but i cannot set it as my terminal (qterminal) font. Is it monospaced? |
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| 14:27.29 | mystictot | jrtc27: but i get my_package.build instead of my_package.deb |
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| 14:28.44 | pja | The steam thing was fixed in a recent kernel patch IIRC. I donât know which one though & itâs possible that it hasnât reached the Debian stable kernel yet. |
| 14:29.23 | mystictot | jrtc27: how could i get *.build to *.deb package ? |
| 14:29.31 | jrtc27 | .build is the log |
| 14:30.26 | pja | Here we go: Steam issue fix https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/6/22/54 |
| 14:30.28 | mystictot | jrtc27: but i didn;t get any other thing than *.build |
| 14:31.44 | jrtc27 | yeah reading the code it looks like `pbuilder --debuild` is just broken, there's nothing to copy the build results back |
| 14:32.04 | jrtc27 | use `pdebuild` itself instead |
| 14:33.11 | pja | Steam patch is in 4.19.55, current Debian stable kernel is 4.19.37. Hopefully in the next kernel release? |
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| 14:35.00 | LickTheCheese | hi i installed i3wm |
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| 14:35.35 | Haohmaru | :/ |
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| 14:40.20 | mystictot | jrtc27: I used this pdebuild --use-pdebuild-internal --architecture arm64 |
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| 14:40.41 | mystictot | but still i don't get any debian package after built |
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| 14:41.50 | BCMM | it's very much not a supported option, but one potential workaround is using the liquorix kernel repo until debian releases a fixed version |
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| 14:42.20 | BCMM | (for the steam thing, i mean) |
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| 14:44.19 | Zesk | Hello, i have installed debian with preseed and with lvm configuration. lvm2 package is shown by dpkg -l but vgdisplay or any other relative command is not found. I don't understand... |
| 14:45.04 | greycat | try /sbin/vgdisplay or /usr/sbin/vgdisplay |
| 14:45.14 | jrtc27 | mystictot: why are you passing --architecture arm64? |
| 14:45.26 | jrtc27 | is your machine not arm64 |
| 14:45.27 | jrtc27 | ? |
| 14:45.46 | mystictot | because I'm cross building for my arm64 board |
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| 14:46.10 | Zesk | greycat you'are right! but it usually in PATH bi itself... |
| 14:46.12 | tgunr | I just tried using `journalctl --grep syncoid' and am getting |
| 14:46.12 | tgunr | Compiled without pattern matching support |
| 14:46.14 | tgunr | According to debian bug reports the pcre2 was enabled in buster. and thus available to journalctl. |
| 14:46.14 | tgunr | Am I missing something? |
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| 14:46.21 | greycat | Zesk: did you use "su"? If so... |
| 14:46.22 | greycat | !buster su |
| 14:46.23 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
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| 14:47.18 | tgunr | !buster journalctl |
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| 14:47.39 | Zesk | greycat this is exactly this! Incredible! ^^ thanks again |
| 14:47.41 | jrtc27 | mystictot: ok, pdebuild-internal is very limited, it doesn't support cross building |
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| 14:48.23 | jrtc27 | and --architecture is not how you cross build |
| 14:48.32 | jrtc27 | --architecture is how you say to use a different architecture chroot |
| 14:49.15 | jrtc27 | I think what happened is that you used an amd64 chroot to build amd64 packages, but pdebuild thought you wanted arm64 so it copied back the (empty) set of arm64 packages |
| 14:49.32 | jrtc27 | and you're not cross-building anyway, you're using a foreign emulated chroot if you did `pbuilder --create --architecture arm64` |
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| 14:50.14 | jrtc27 | I think what you need is `pdebuild --architecture arm64 -- --architecture arm64` |
| 14:50.30 | jrtc27 | I've been meaning to fix needing to specify it twice, but that's the way it is at the moment unless I'm forgetting something |
| 14:50.56 | jrtc27 | (once to tell pdebuild what you're building, and once after -- in the pbuilder options to tell pbuilder the right thing too) |
| 14:52.11 | themill | would just use sbuild |
| 14:52.42 | mystictot | jrtc27: thanks for the clarification but, i run this pdebuild --architecture arm64 -- --architecture arm64 , it started to search package from debian repository and obviously fails because package is not yet merged, its in staging |
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| 14:53.39 | mystictot | jrtc27: and I get this error no upstream tarball found at .. |
| 14:54.05 | jrtc27 | um |
| 14:54.12 | jrtc27 | you're running this in the unpacked source directory? |
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| 14:55.19 | mystictot | jrtc27: yes, this is the link to source https://salsa.debian.org/debian/swupdate |
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| 15:02.09 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, what is this new live installer called? (looks like calamares but not sure) |
| 15:02.51 | humpled | octopus? |
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| 15:02.59 | greycat | calamari is squid... |
| 15:03.06 | humpled | oh sorry |
| 15:03.17 | annadane | calamares, yes |
| 15:03.25 | greycat | diogenes_: I don't know what you're talking about. Like, at all. Is it something I missed on https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ ? |
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| 15:04.22 | diogenes_ | greycat, when you click the install on the live isos it's a new installer that i haven't seen before on debian. |
| 15:04.26 | crimson_king | When i run `sudo touch test.txt /var/run` or `sudo touch test.txt /run`, the file doesn't appear to be there. It's gone. Touch command ends without any output. What am I missing here? |
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| 15:04.35 | greycat | why would anyone click an installer on a live ... |
| 15:04.48 | diogenes_ | greycat, to install on HDD? |
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| 15:05.13 | greycat | Debian's live image have a historical track record of being appallingly BAD if used to attempt an install. |
| 15:05.55 | diogenes_ | greycat, but not buster, it installed perfectly from live image. |
| 15:05.56 | greycat | should be fun to learn what the particular problems with buster's are going to be... |
| 15:06.06 | diogenes_ | so is it calamares? |
| 15:06.11 | greycat | !calamares |
| 15:06.29 | greycat | !live |
| 15:06.29 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>. |
| 15:06.55 | diogenes_ | ok let me boot a live system and make aa screenshot |
| 15:07.00 | jrtc27 | mystictot: please paste the full output from running pdebuild including the error |
| 15:07.15 | greycat | It's not going to mean anything to.... never mind, whatever, have fun making screen shots. |
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| 15:08.15 | humpled | "calamares is an independent installer project which offers a Qt based interface for installing a system" |
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| 15:09.10 | EoflaOEViceCity | I have heard about Calamares, but why would it require SSE2? |
| 15:10.19 | greycat | If you want to ask technical questions about the details of the live images, #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org) would be the place to do so. |
| 15:13.16 | uRock | I can attest to having multiple installs via the live images without failure. Your mileage may vary. |
| 15:13.33 | greycat | Well, that's good. |
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| 15:15.55 | uRock | feels blessed, lol. |
| 15:16.53 | uRock | That's with Buster though. I can't speak to previous versions. |
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| 15:17.34 | jrtc27 | !live |
| 15:17.34 | dpkg | methinks live is The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
| 15:17.50 | diogenes_ | ok here it is: https://imgur.com/a/JlssFiG |
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| 15:18.05 | diogenes_ | it says welcome to calamares but the command is: install-debian |
| 15:18.06 | jrtc27 | merged with `live stretch` and updated because buster |
| 15:18.08 | annadane | i don't know why calamares (apparently?) *isn't* included in the regular debian installer |
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| 15:20.22 | jrtc27 | because debian-installer is the one that almost all the developers support and use |
| 15:20.28 | annadane | i guess calamares is now the de facto debian live "installer" where it's actually intended to now be able to install from live images |
| 15:21.04 | annadane | yeah fair enough, i'd just assumed they could slot it in an option somewhere |
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| 15:21.16 | jrtc27 | bloats the iso |
| 15:21.23 | annadane | but that'd also increase the size of the installer, which not everyone necessisarily has the space for |
| 15:21.25 | mystictot | jrtc27: this is the paste https://pastebin.com/raw/J85PeFLh |
| 15:21.25 | annadane | yeah |
| 15:21.25 | jrtc27 | netinst needs to be small |
| 15:21.34 | jrtc27 | with live it's just a drop in the ocean |
| 15:21.44 | annadane | necessarily* oh boy my typing |
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| 15:22.53 | humpled | "It doesn't cover all the advanced features of debian-installer and it doesn't have an unattended install mode either" |
| 15:23.02 | jrtc27 | mystictot: ok there are multiple issues here |
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| 15:23.14 | jrtc27 | you didn't get debs from anything before because the build failed |
| 15:23.23 | jrtc27 | the build failed because build deps weren't installable |
| 15:23.27 | diogenes_ | humpled, yes agree but it's one step closer to make debian have a newbie friendly face. |
| 15:23.58 | jrtc27 | build deps weren't installable because: |
| 15:23.58 | jrtc27 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.34 | jrtc27 | which is because you made a *stretch* chroot and stretch only has debhelper 10.2.5; you need stretch-backports for 12.1.1~bpo9+1 |
| 15:24.53 | diogenes_ | btw guys, before i start the research, is there any way to make a bootable iso snapshot+installer from your currently running system and excluding of course Documents Downloads and so on? |
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| 15:25.20 | jrtc27 | mystictot: do you want to build for stretch, buster or unstable? |
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| 15:26.27 | humpled | there is or used to be a thing called refracta/refractasnapshots diogenes_ |
| 15:26.45 | mystictot | jrtc27: I would like proceed with buster. |
| 15:26.46 | diogenes_ | humpled, thanks, will look into that. |
| 15:27.01 | jrtc27 | mystictot: that makes things easier because buster has debhelper 12.1.1 |
| 15:27.15 | humpled | and before that remastersys, these things seem to come and go like multi-boot usb creators |
| 15:27.23 | jrtc27 | you should remove your /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz and do a `pbuilder create --distribution buster --architecture arm64` |
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| 15:30.18 | diogenes_ | jrtc27, that was for me or mystictot ? |
| 15:30.28 | jrtc27 | not you |
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| 15:31.11 | mystictot | jrtc27: would it cause problems if directly run `pbuilder create --distribution buster --architecture arm64` without removing /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz |
| 15:31.31 | jrtc27 | it should give you an error that the file already exists |
| 15:31.39 | jrtc27 | I don't know if it does that before or after debootstrap runs |
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| 15:32.37 | jrtc27 | although actually maybe it will just work |
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| 15:32.43 | jrtc27 | safest to just delete it thogh |
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| 15:41.28 | pyfgcr | sorry for bunping, but my question was probably lost in the discussion above: |
| 15:41.40 | pyfgcr | I installed unifont, but i cannot set it as my terminal (qterminal) font. Is it monospaced? |
| 15:42.24 | pyfgcr | I see a monospace section in /etc/fonts/conf.d/69-unifont.conf |
| 15:43.17 | pyfgcr | but it says <prefer> <family>FreeMono</family> </prefer> |
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| 16:05.45 | expert975 | Is GFDL with no invariant sections considered free by debian? |
| 16:07.08 | jmcnaught | !gfdl |
| 16:07.08 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 16:07.43 | jmcnaught | expert975: ^ some GFDL stuff is in the non-free section |
| 16:08.24 | annadane | notably emacs-common-non-dfsg (the emacs manual) |
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| 16:08.43 | expert975 | jmcnaught: Didn't the vote in 2004 decide to consider GFDL with no invariant sections free? |
| 16:09.59 | expert975 | I'm looking at make-doc and it's at non-free, even though it it has no invariant sections |
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| 16:11.05 | jmcnaught | expert975: I'm not an expert on the subject I'm just aware of the factoid |
| 16:11.52 | expert975 | It seems to me that make-doc should be in main |
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| 16:34.25 | *** topic/#debian is Debian 10 Buster released! /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Oldstable Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.9 ; 9.9 needs dist-upgrade | Jessie: jessie-{updates,backports} removed, /msg dpkg jessie-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net| chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 16:34.36 | expert975 | BCMM: what's the procedure for a bug report in Debian? |
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| 16:36.09 | expert975 | BCMM: can I simply run reportbug and read on? |
| 16:36.26 | BCMM | hmm, upstream really does seem to quite clearly state there are no invariant sections. i stand corrected. |
| 16:36.27 | greycat | !bts |
| 16:36.28 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 17:02.16 | expert975 | It seems that the reason for having make-doc in non-free is that its license fixes a sentence as the back cover: "You have the freedom to copy and modify this GNU manual. Buying copies from the FSF supports it in developing GNU and promoting software freedom." and for front cover: "A GNU Manual,". Oh, well |
| 17:02.23 | berndj | alkisg, thanks. i ended up going the ar xv & tar -xzf route on the cached .deb files. but damn, i'm sure i remember using some command to get at the scripts more conveniently |
| 17:03.00 | wwilliam | is it ok to delete the contents of /var/cache? |
| 17:03.26 | berndj | i was actually huntingdown what went wrong while updating some random packages, and during the "Setting up <package>" phase, i found some error about some connection timing out |
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| 17:04.12 | greycat | wwilliam: in theory, things that use those contents are supposed to be able to function without them, or to regenerate the contents. But your question is extremely worrying. |
| 17:04.40 | wwilliam | thank you. |
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| 17:13.05 | petn-randall | fsvo "extremly worrying". |
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| 17:17.51 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to alias fonts for my user? for example, many websites and electron applications want to use arial, but i'd prefer to use dejavu sans instead. is there a way to alias arial to "become" dejavu sans for my user only? |
| 17:18.13 | SerajewelKS | i feel like something changed in this regard in buster |
| 17:18.21 | greycat | sounds like a thing you'd use fontconfig to do |
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| 17:18.44 | SerajewelKS | isn't that system-wide? |
| 17:18.54 | greycat | not if you do it in your ~/.fontconfig/ |
| 17:19.01 | SerajewelKS | ah |
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| 17:21.24 | SerajewelKS | looks like it's ~/.config/fontconfig |
| 17:21.50 | greycat | I guess that explains why all the files in my ~/.fontconfig/ are dated 2012-2013 |
| 17:22.05 | greycat | nope, some as new as 2015 |
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| 17:23.24 | jhutchins_wk | I think at least KDE has a font config gui. |
| 17:23.28 | greycat | Anyway, all sensible unix programs are configured at the user level. If something can *only* be done system-wide, it probably didn't come from a unix person. |
| 17:24.06 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Decent web sites will use generic definitions like "san-serif". |
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| 17:24.47 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: yep. these don't. :( |
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| 17:25.38 | SerajewelKS | thanks for that tip greycat, holy hell this is much better |
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| 18:25.26 | maxm3232 | hey |
| 18:25.33 | maxm3232 | can I ask questions related to postfix here? |
| 18:25.35 | dvs | ho |
| 18:26.22 | greycat | You can ask. Some people here use it and may know the basics. If it becomes too postfix-detailed we might recommend you ask #postfix instead. |
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| 18:27.23 | dvs | gets out the boot! |
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| 18:29.24 | maxm3232 | I get the message "#postfix :Cannot send to nick/channel" when I try to send messages in #postfix |
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| 18:29.47 | Habbie | that's not a postfix question |
| 18:29.50 | Habbie | that's an irc question |
| 18:30.01 | greycat | You're not registered with nickserv, which might be relevant. |
| 18:30.08 | dvs | Habbie, I think maxm3232 was trying to ask the question in #postfix |
| 18:30.14 | greycat | Lots of channels these days require registration because we've had a LOT of spammers. |
| 18:30.23 | maxm3232 | Ah okay, thanks. |
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| 18:30.26 | Habbie | dvs, oh, right, like that |
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| 18:39.55 | mrtaco | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.56 | mrtaco | ad the open terminal right click on desktop. that was running xfdesktop 4.12.3 and thunar 1.6.11. The right click is there within thunar window, but not when you right click on desktop. anyone know? |
| 18:40.16 | mrtaco | er..deb 10 buster ^^ |
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| 19:20.36 | kreyren | what is the debian way to solve this issue https://pastebin.com/dxqXaf5h |
| 19:20.48 | kreyren | expecting to get https://github.com/SoftEtherVPN/SoftEtherVPN_Stable |
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| 19:23.52 | kreyren | fixed: zlib1g-dev is required |
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| 19:25.56 | peterfarge | I have a Kingston DataTraveler 3.0 with 32GB printed on it (3 years old). But fdisk says it only has 31.004.295.168 bytes or 29GiB. Is it the normal loss due to memory wear? |
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| 19:28.46 | humpled | believe it or not, it's due to the difference between gigabytes and gigibytes |
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| 19:29.42 | noln | Memory does not "shrink". Worst case, it gives IO error when reading or writing. |
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| 19:31.45 | lsjet | Many years ago, storage manufacturers realized they could print bigger numbers on product boxes if they used powers of 10 instead of powers of two. Thus, GB came to mean 100^3 instead of 1024^3 bytes |
| 19:32.09 | lsjet | 1000^3 bytes, not 100^3. typo |
| 19:32.25 | greycat | Yeah, we all got that part, but why does it report 31 004 295 168 instead of 32 000 000 123 or whatever, I think is the question. |
| 19:32.28 | alkisg | I think the beginning was "kilo is already standarized and means 1000, not 2^10" |
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| 19:32.40 | peterfarge | humpled: I know this. But 32GB should be 32.000.000.000 and not 31.004.295.168. |
| 19:32.51 | lsjet | With computers, kilo always meant 1024 until the late nineties |
| 19:33.00 | alkisg | Yes, that was a violation |
| 19:33.01 | greycat | lsjet: we're the choir. stop preaching. |
| 19:33.08 | lsjet | It was retroactively defined to mean 1000 to match the usage elsewhere |
| 19:33.13 | alkisg | kilo is a greek word that means a thousand :) |
| 19:33.39 | lsjet | words mean what they are used to mean...they have no independent truth |
| 19:33.44 | greycat | peterfarge: sorry, if I knew the answer, I would have given it, if only to stop the irrelevant complete MISS that's going on |
| 19:33.51 | EmleyMoor | Kibi is floating around for 1024 |
| 19:33.55 | alkisg | Yup, it meant 1000 since around 20000 bc... :) |
| 19:34.17 | lsjet | Yes, until computers were invented |
| 19:34.29 | lsjet | then, when talking about computer, it means 1024 |
| 19:34.31 | alkisg | Yup, so only just a few years of violation, fortunately it was fixed |
| 19:34.56 | lsjet | kilo-1024. always will |
| 19:35.22 | alkisg | That misunderstanding was fixed with kibi |
| 19:35.39 | alkisg | No point in insisting, it's already standarized now |
| 19:35.46 | lsjet | it was a marketing hack |
| 19:35.57 | alkisg | I think the marketing was the result |
| 19:35.59 | greycat | "Why does my car have 5 tires?" "Here's a history of numbers...." |
| 19:36.00 | alkisg | Not the reason |
| 19:36.03 | whislock | kilo = 1000 per SI. kibi = 1024 per IEC. |
| 19:36.05 | whislock | Let's move on. |
| 19:36.11 | lsjet | decades of programmers used kilo=1024. They are not wrong |
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| 19:36.34 | alkisg | They were, and that was corrected later on |
| 19:36.39 | whislock | And this abiguity was resolved 21 years ago. |
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| 19:37.00 | lsjet | lol keep believeing that |
| 19:37.06 | alkisg | Also, for thousands of years the earth was flat; that was corrected as well |
| 19:37.17 | humpled | the ambiguity always exists, you never know where it's applied and you never get what it says on the box |
| 19:37.20 | whislock | IEC 60027-2. Go forth, read, and educate yourself. |
| 19:37.28 | whislock | humpled: You get EXACTLY what it says on the box. |
| 19:37.43 | whislock | GB != GiB. |
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| 19:38.05 | Ede|Popede | peterfarge: i got the impression that the bigger they get the less they have the printed capacity. used to be clearly more for my old, small ones, and is clearly less for my 32GB ones |
| 19:38.08 | greycat | OK, now you've all stated stuff that everyone here already knew and wasted 10 minutes... can you please re-read his actual question now? |
| 19:38.18 | lsjet | Yeah - GB = 1024^3. GiB - used by people who don't know better and by marketing departments |
| 19:38.23 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:38.27 | alkisg | Eh, but now more people participate in the chat :P |
| 19:38.33 | alkisg | OK OK /me shuts up :D |
| 19:38.40 | kreyren | facepalms |
| 19:38.43 | Habbie | my '1TB' SSD is 953.87 GiB |
| 19:38.45 | whislock | lsjet: GB = 1000^3. GiB - literally a fscking standard. |
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| 19:38.56 | peterfarge | greycat: Thanks. In the USB device is a controller that cuts of the broken cells. The memory shrink could be this, but a whole GB is lost. I only use it to transfer data from one computer to another. |
| 19:39.13 | n00buser | hey guys, just did apt upgrade and my laptop doesn't start anymore. looks like initrd is missing grep, because it's where dmraid-activate script fails. how to fix? |
| 19:39.13 | lsjet | Lots of things are standards, like MS Office documents. It means fucking nothing |
| 19:39.27 | lsjet | except someone paid some money to a standards body |
| 19:39.28 | noln | in what century did people mean 1024 by "kilometer" |
| 19:39.40 | Habbie | peterfarge, i don't think such devices show themselves as smaller over time due to wear or loss |
| 19:40.02 | jmcnaught | peterfarge: ##hardware might be a good place to task |
| 19:40.06 | kreyren | Habbie, afaik disks have reserved filesystem that is protected by onboard logic for the usecase of windows bootloader |
| 19:40.06 | jmcnaught | err ask |
| 19:40.09 | alkisg | peterfarge: I've seen 16 GB USB sticks have from 15000000 to 17000000; I think they just don't care a lot about precision |
| 19:40.23 | peterfarge | Habbie: At your devices its the same? I whole GB is lost after some years? |
| 19:40.26 | Habbie | kreyren, that i don't know |
| 19:40.30 | kreyren | Habbie, -> thats why your SSD has 900 something GB |
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| 19:40.32 | Habbie | peterfarge, no, i'm saying that does -not- happen |
| 19:40.36 | Habbie | peterfarge, device sizes don't change |
| 19:40.56 | alkisg | peterfarge: this does NOT depend on the years; it just varies based on the manufacturer etc |
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| 19:41.05 | n00buser | so apt update literally broke my installation |
| 19:41.07 | kreyren | Habbie, thats what i was told and what i understand is a thing based on personal experience let me know if you find other explanation |
| 19:41.25 | Habbie | kreyren, no, my SSD has 953.87 GiB because 1000 and 1024 have been mixed up in the process of designing it |
| 19:41.33 | kreyren | Habbie, doubt |
| 19:41.37 | peterfarge | ok |
| 19:41.38 | Ede|Popede | alkisg: or they lose during the production process if it has to be cheap. only i have nothing to compare, i don't go for platinum level with hardware. |
| 19:41.38 | greycat | "apt update" doesn't actually do anything except change the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 19:41.49 | Habbie | kreyren, do you have a source for your claim? |
| 19:42.12 | jmcnaught | n00buser: were you upgrading from stretch to buster what does dm-raid say when it fails? |
| 19:42.16 | kreyren | Habbie, annoying IT teacher with gentoo user attitude xD *quick searching* |
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| 19:42.50 | mrtaco | anyone here running debian 10 with xcfe? its missing right click context menu when you click on the desktop. within thunar its fine. anyone else having this issue? |
| 19:43.12 | n00buser | jmcnaught, /sbin/dmraid-activate: 226: grep: not found |
| 19:43.32 | mrtaco | debian 9 it was there. and cant figure out how if possible to bring it back. |
| 19:43.33 | jmcnaught | n00buser: did apt tell you that it was removing packages? |
| 19:44.00 | n00buser | jmcnaught, i don't think so |
| 19:44.56 | alkisg | n00buser: if you type "grep" in a terminal, it says "not found" ? |
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| 19:45.25 | n00buser | alkisg, yes, it's missing in initrd |
| 19:45.37 | alkisg | That's strange, it should be provided by busybox |
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| 19:46.10 | n00buser | it also kept my old kernel |
| 19:46.27 | n00buser | so i'm not sure what was updated |
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| 19:48.05 | alkisg | n00buser: do you have busybox installed? |
| 19:48.48 | n00buser | alkisg, i don't think so. how to check? |
| 19:49.09 | alkisg | dpkg -l buxybox |
| 19:49.09 | dpkg | No packages found matching buxybox |
| 19:49.10 | jmcnaught | n00buser: does it drop you into a shell in the initrd? You might need to boot from a live disk, assemble your RAID, do bind mounts for /dev /proc /sys, chroot, and then 'update-initramfs -u' to fix it |
| 19:49.12 | alkisg | busybox |
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| 19:49.26 | greycat | I can confirm that usr/bin/grep is in the initrd.img* files on my system. |
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| 19:49.42 | alkisg | Yes, it should be a sym/hardlink to busybox |
| 19:49.44 | greycat | well, usr/bin/grep in the 4.19 one, bin/grep in the 4.9 one |
| 19:49.58 | kreyren | Habbie, mb you are correct it's convension from wrong metrics that manufacturers likes to use, thanks for sanity check.. so far everything i was told by that teacher was wrong xD |
| 19:50.12 | azeem | so a usrmerge issue? |
| 19:50.28 | greycat | azeem: he seems to be saying he doesn't have EITHER |
| 19:50.44 | alkisg | n00buser: do you get a busybox shell when the initramfs fails? |
| 19:50.49 | greycat | although it's really damned hard to tell what he's saying because there keeps not being any details |
| 19:51.00 | noln | and what's the version number printed above the shell prompt? |
| 19:51.16 | jhutchins_wk | grep is provided by grep. |
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| 19:51.23 | alkisg | In the initramfs? |
| 19:52.16 | n00buser | ok, looks like busybox is broken. during 'update-initramfs -u' i got /bin/busybox: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.25-system.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 19:53.19 | jmcnaught | n00buser: I don't think you can repair the initrd from within the initrd. Does GRUB have an older kernel it can boot from? |
| 19:53.55 | alkisg | n00buser: update-initramfs -u might be trying to generate the host kernel,not the chroot kernel |
| 19:54.08 | alkisg | You might need -k for the chroot kernel; are you booted with a live cd currently? |
| 19:55.13 | n00buser | jmcnaught, i'm already in recovery mode and chrooted into my system |
| 19:55.22 | jim | hi, trying to help someone who's using a buster netinstall (or will when he downloads it)... looking at the buster release notes, I found the upgrade steps, but not the netinstall steps... where are those? |
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| 19:55.42 | greycat | so you're saying that in your NORMAL system, you can't run /bin/busybox? |
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| 19:56.17 | alkisg | notes that he has no libbfd installed in his buster box, and yet busybox runs fine |
| 19:56.17 | n00buser | greycat, yes, in chrooted system i can't generate initrd |
| 19:56.43 | n00buser | probably binutils are broken |
| 19:56.46 | mrtaco | jim: the installion should guide you on choosing a mirror and it will download and install the packages. |
| 19:57.11 | n00buser | how in recovery mode add nameservers? |
| 19:57.13 | mrtaco | jim: its just a bare bones distro to boot and then download whats needed vs on the media/iso |
| 19:57.15 | alkisg | n00buser: try just running `busybox` without update-initramfs, does it run? |
| 19:57.18 | greycat | He mentioned libbfd-2.25 which does not seem to be either stretch *or* buster based on my own sytems here. |
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| 19:57.57 | n00buser | alkisg, same error about libbfd-2.25-system.so |
| 19:58.05 | Habbie | ,v libbfd |
| 19:58.07 | judd | No package named 'libbfd' was found in amd64. |
| 19:58.13 | alkisg | n00buser: which distro/version is this? |
| 19:58.40 | n00buser | debian 10 buster |
| 19:58.57 | greycat | libbinutils:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libbfd-2.31.1-system.so |
| 19:58.57 | Habbie | ,v libbinutils |
| 19:58.58 | judd | Package: libbinutils on amd64 -- bullseye: 2.31.1-16; buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.32.51.20190707-1 |
| 19:59.02 | jim | mrtaco, yes, I'm aware :) I just need an install guide (rignt now not an upgrade guide) |
| 19:59.52 | jmcnaught | jim: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 20:00.20 | greycat | n00buser: is it possible your busybox is *not* from Debian? |
| 20:00.48 | greycat | in any event, it sounds like reinstalling busybox would be the absolute minimal starting point |
| 20:00.53 | n00buser | guys, plz tell me how to add nameservers in recovery mode? it won't allow me to edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:01.06 | jim | jmcnaught, perfect :) thanks |
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| 20:01.18 | n00buser | greycat, maybe it is from previous version? |
| 20:01.34 | greycat | the stretch system I checked has /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libbfd-2.28-system.so |
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| 20:01.36 | alkisg | n00buser: binutils 2.25 could be from jessie... |
| 20:01.45 | mrtaco | anyone here using xcfe in debian 10? debian 9 had open terminal here if you clicked on desktop but not anymore. |
| 20:01.46 | n00buser | ahhhhh |
| 20:01.47 | alkisg | Was it upgraded from jessie too? |
| 20:01.47 | greycat | you are making it incredibly difficult to figure out what you are *actually* running |
| 20:02.02 | n00buser | alkisg, yes, i think so |
| 20:02.47 | n00buser | greycat, i'm not sure myself. lsb_release -a shows debian 10 buster |
| 20:02.56 | greycat | the jessie system I just checked has no libbfd except a backup copy from before it was even jessie, or from another system, or something, I dunno |
| 20:03.33 | alkisg | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/binutils-dev says 2.25, it's not libbinutils but the version matches... dunno |
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| 20:04.01 | alkisg | The weird things is why is it searching for that if it's not even there |
| 20:04.01 | greycat | Interesting. Maybe jessie only had a non-shared library version of it? |
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| 20:04.43 | alkisg | n00buser: do you see anything in this command? dpkg -l '*binutil*' |
| 20:05.05 | noln | it's in jessie's binutils, according to https://packages.debian.org/search?mode=filename&suite=jessie§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=libbfd-2.25-system.so |
| 20:05.35 | n00buser | alkisg, binutils 2.28-5 amd64 |
| 20:05.50 | greycat | noln: hmm, well, the jessie system I checked doesn't have binutils installed, so there's that. |
| 20:06.07 | alkisg | Hrmm, if you try to purge it, does it remove just that, or a lot of stuff? |
| 20:06.16 | alkisg | (don't actually purge it if it removes a lot) |
| 20:06.18 | greycat | 2.28 is a stretch version, ok, fine, but why is your busybox looking for 2.25? |
| 20:06.43 | alkisg | Maybe two broken updates, once from jessie and one from stretch :D |
| 20:07.06 | greycat | could be |
| 20:07.26 | alkisg | apt purge --auto-remove binutils ==> press no if it removes a lot |
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| 20:07.47 | n00buser | purge removes a lot including kernel headers, drivers etc |
| 20:08.37 | alkisg | ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ==> shows you if it's a symlink |
| 20:08.57 | alkisg | If it's a symlink to a non existing dir (e.g. /run/systemd), create it to be able to temporarily edit it |
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| 20:09.05 | greycat | or remove the symlink |
| 20:09.12 | noln | why is your busybox looking for binutils? jessie's package does not depend on it, and `ldd /bin/busybox` on Stretch does not, in fact, list libbfd-* |
| 20:09.31 | greycat | noln: I was wondering that as well. It really feels like an alien busybox. |
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| 20:09.49 | alkisg | dpkg -l busybox |
| 20:09.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching busybox |
| 20:09.59 | alkisg | n00buser: what's the result of that, dpkg -l busybox |
| 20:10.45 | n00buser | alkisg, symlink points to non-existent file |
| 20:10.51 | greycat | remove it |
| 20:11.18 | greycat | if network-freaking-manager wants to recreate that next time you boot for realsies, it can |
| 20:11.42 | alkisg | I think nothing will recreate the symlink, he'll need to do it himself if he ever changes networks |
| 20:12.32 | greycat | we should be so lucky |
| 20:13.37 | greycat | near as I can tell, the entire default Debian infrastructure is built to make it impossible to edit your own resolv.conf file like a normal unix sys admin, without jumping through hoops, and if you install a Desktop Environment, those hoops are not only on fire, but they SHRINK |
| 20:13.43 | n00buser | ok, just did: apt install libbfd* |
| 20:14.17 | n00buser | same error |
| 20:14.20 | n00buser | :( |
| 20:14.24 | alkisg | (11:09:59 PM) alkisg: n00buser: what's the result of that, dpkg -l busybox |
| 20:14.52 | greycat | he's too busy typing random things that can't possibly work |
| 20:15.06 | n00buser | ii busybox 1:1.22.0-19+b3 amd64 |
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| 20:15.22 | alkisg | ...wth is that... |
| 20:15.28 | greycat | ,v busybox |
| 20:15.29 | judd | Package: busybox on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.22.0-9+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:1.22.0-9+deb8u4; stretch: 1:1.22.0-19+b3; bullseye: 1:1.30.1-4; buster: 1:1.30.1-4; sid: 1:1.30.1-4 |
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| 20:15.31 | greycat | stretch version |
| 20:16.12 | alkisg | n00buser: I think your upgrade was cut in the middle and you need to finish it |
| 20:16.16 | greycat | so at the very least it's some sort of stretch/buster hybrid, possibly even more mismatched pieces |
| 20:17.16 | n00buser | ok, i updated busybox and was able to generate image |
| 20:17.22 | n00buser | let's see now |
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| 20:17.51 | Kali_Yuga | Hello, I installed debian and it said installation finished. after reboot I got the Message: Error 1962: No Operating system found. Press any key to repeat boot sequence. I also noticed that the Debian Installer did not ask for the grub partition before telling me that the installation was finished |
| 20:18.13 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: Did you install Kali? |
| 20:18.21 | Kali_Yuga | No Debian |
| 20:18.43 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: Ah, ok. How did you prepare the installation image? |
| 20:18.54 | Kali_Yuga | On a stick |
| 20:19.03 | petn-randall | Sure, but how exactly? |
| 20:19.06 | n00buser | alkisg, greycat, jmcnaught: thanks a lot guys, problem solved (for now) |
| 20:19.14 | Kali_Yuga | with the sudo dd command |
| 20:19.37 | petn-randall | Can you paste the exact commmand you used? |
| 20:19.49 | Kali_Yuga | The live enviroment also looked fine and I verified the iso file prior to installing |
| 20:19.57 | alkisg | yw |
| 20:20.40 | Kali_Yuga | petn-randall: I used the wrong one yesterday and I got help here. They've also helped me setting it up using the right command |
| 20:20.59 | n00buser | one more thing. i have a laptop with intel sata raid and i'm using dmraid, as suggested here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 20:21.41 | n00buser | and there is a problem when i install mdadm and reboot |
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| 20:22.05 | n00buser | system is not able to work with both dmraid and mdadm |
| 20:22.06 | Kali_Yuga | sudo Can I fix grub or do I need to make a new image and start over? |
| 20:22.15 | Kali_Yuga | Can I fix grub or do I need to make a new image and start over? |
| 20:22.16 | n00buser | *to boot |
| 20:22.33 | n00buser | so when i remove mdadm i boots as expected |
| 20:22.57 | n00buser | where can i report that bug? |
| 20:23.08 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: While sudo helps with many requests, it won't work in here ;) |
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| 20:23.23 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: You should be able to restore, given that it set up things right. |
| 20:23.34 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: I'm thinking that maybe UEFI/legacy BIOS might be the issue here. |
| 20:23.54 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: Do you have a current EFI that can fall back to legacy BIOS? Do you have another OS installed? |
| 20:24.34 | Kali_Yuga | No I don't have another OS installed, I can fall back to legacy |
| 20:25.02 | Kali_Yuga | will do |
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| 20:26.00 | tgunr | Could use some advice... I have my Debian10 boot disk on a drive with 4 partition BIOS boot, EFI, ZFS bpool, & ZFS cpool. I wish to maintain a duplicate backup so I recreated the partition map `sfdisk -d /dev/sdi|sfdisk /dev/sdl' and now have the duplicate partition table e.g. UUID are same on both. Should I randomize the UUID on the backup drive? |
| 20:27.21 | Kali_Yuga | petn-randall: Well it did something but now I am getting The Intel (R) Boot Agent :/ |
| 20:27.24 | Habbie | tgunr, i'm no expert but duplicate UUIDs sound bad to me |
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| 20:28.10 | tgunr | thatâs my thought but as I have not done this before was wondering.... |
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| 20:28.19 | noln | tgunr, the PARTUUID can be used in fstab if I recall correctly, so I'd say change them for random apps assuming they are different |
| 20:28.56 | tgunr | Dont use fstab in a ZFS system except for legacy mountpoints |
| 20:29.09 | sasdsad | i am having some fun today installing debian netinstall, ive got a running terminal, but it wont detect my usb dongle, cant make a manual install because i have no make installed, trying to tether my phone wifi and i get as far as ifup the device and it just sits on listening and never connects -_- |
| 20:29.14 | ryouma | tgunr: create the fses then use those uuid |
| 20:29.20 | sasdsad | usb wifi dongle |
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| 20:29.59 | noln | tgunr, my point is a counterexample suffices to prove that userspace assumes they are different |
| 20:30.12 | tgunr | ok, i think the zfs import will be doing that on the 2 pool partitions, I probably will need to randomize the BIOS and EFI parts |
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| 20:30.44 | ryouma | uuid is fs uuid or luks id. if you ahve gpt then partuuid could work. idk when wwn is used. |
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| 20:30.56 | tgunr | cc |
| 20:31.31 | ryouma | but beware possible bugs in booting where initramfs forgets about the symlinks etc. |
| 20:31.54 | tgunr | sasdsad: don't you need a PXE server to do netinstall? |
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| 20:32.57 | joepublic | sasdsad, many usb wifi dongles require nonfree firmware. h-node.org is a resource to find ones that don't. |
| 20:33.03 | tgunr | as i recall once the device issues a DHCP discover the dhcp server tell the client where to go listen |
| 20:33.52 | noln | a netinstall downloads the packages from the mirror during the installation procedure, does not involve pxe |
| 20:34.28 | sasdsad | just did a minimal no network install, figuring i would manually connect after and update -_- regret |
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| 20:35.05 | sasdsad | seeing if i can go back and rescue mode install extra packages, as the boot usb has better internet support |
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| 20:36.23 | Kali_Yuga | but still getting the same error... |
| 20:36.37 | karlpinc | sasdsad: I seem to recall that the non-netinstall sets up /etc/apt/sources.list so that it continues to get packages from a dvd (or whatever the original install media is). It may be that you just need to update your sources.list to get packages from the net. (Of course, if the network does not work...) |
| 20:37.05 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 20:37.05 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:37.31 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: Then disable any kind of legacy boot (including "CSM mode" IIRC), and reinstall. |
| 20:37.33 | karlpinc | anaemic: It can be very useful to use the above unofficial installer, so your hardware has the firmware it needs to operate. |
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| 20:37.58 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: It might be possible that the installer booted in legacy mode, but your firmware is trying to boot the system in EFI mode. |
| 20:38.20 | roylaprattep | syslogin_perform_logout: logout() returned an error |
| 20:38.22 | roylaprattep | i have this error from sshd |
| 20:38.36 | roylaprattep | sorry, ive been disconnected, dunno if you received my messages |
| 20:38.57 | anaemic | hmm, recovery mode has clarified im missing rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw |
| 20:42.50 | noln | rtl8168e-3.fw is in package firmware-realtek |
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| 20:47.19 | jhutchins_wk | anaemic: ... which is in non-free |
| 20:48.36 | Kali_Yuga | petn-randall: still cannot boot, I'm using the live enviroment to try to reinstall grub somehow |
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| 20:49.29 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 20:49.29 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 20:49.56 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: You can't boot the installer in EFI mode? |
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| 20:50.41 | Kali_Yuga | petn-randall: No, the installer seems fine and boots into efi |
| 20:50.43 | jhutchins_wk | I think that's what the Intel boot agent message is. |
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| 20:51.10 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: Nvmind, I mis-parsed your question. |
| 20:51.46 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: And you reinstalled from there? |
| 20:51.59 | Kali_Yuga | Just after the installation it does not boot |
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| 20:52.48 | Kali_Yuga | petn-randall: I did not manage to reinstall anything yet :/ I also encrypted the hdd which makes everything a little more complicated also |
| 20:53.33 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: As I said, it's easiest to just reinstall now, as it's likely related to the issue I mentioned. |
| 20:53.52 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: You *could* fix it by hand, but that will likely take 3x as long as reinstalling. |
| 20:53.58 | petn-randall | (and is error-prone) |
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| 20:54.40 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. I would like to submit a bug that applies to 2 packages that are not playing nice with each other. Is it possible to send a bug report to two package groups? |
| 20:55.36 | Kali_Yuga | petn-randall: ok I understand. I just wonder why the installer skipped through the grub installation step and told me to restart :( |
| 20:55.39 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: It's probably more sane to file one bug, and CC the other maintainer. Otherwise you'll have two bug reports. |
| 20:55.50 | petn-randall | Kali_Yuga: No idea, that usually doesn't happen. |
| 20:56.10 | Abdullah | I think installer is changed? |
| 20:56.14 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: pick the one that seems to be the more wrong, and file it on that package. If the maintainers disagree they can reassign it. |
| 20:56.56 | Kali_Yuga | Can I skip Erase Data on HDD when setting up encrypted LVM. Or do I have to wait? I've already done it and takes quite a while |
| 20:57.18 | Kali_Yuga | It gives me the Option to cancel |
| 20:57.41 | jmcnaught | Kali_Yuga: you can hit cancel to skip that |
| 20:57.57 | Kali_Yuga | jmcnaught: ok thx thats what I thought |
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| 20:58.37 | Abdullah | Kali_Yuga: you can skip it. |
| 20:59.12 | Abdullah | but I think you shouldn't skip it. for me on SSD it didn't take more than 10 minutes 256G |
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| 20:59.54 | petn-randall | You can skip it since the current data on it is already encrypted, and the key gets erased, making it random data now. |
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| 21:13.42 | RoyK | hi - a friend of mine, Malinux, just upgraded to stretch and found a lot of stuff not upgraded at all. network was down and we had to do a ton of manual work to make things going as usual. lately, we found virt-manager and other packages not upgraded at all and needed an apt-get install --reinstall to get functional. Any idea how to fully upgrade this system without reinstalling it? |
| 21:14.59 | noln | !jessie->stretch |
| 21:15.24 | greycat | the bot has some really weird bugger involving -> in factoids |
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| 21:15.33 | greycat | it works if you write "dpkg jessie->stretch" |
| 21:16.29 | Lady_Aleena | I can't figure out which package to choose, so here is the problem. When I set up KDE's appearance, it creates a file called .gtkrc-2.0 and a (I think it is) a symlink .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 to the former file. When I switch over to XFCE, XFCE's appearace is affected by the first file, meaning that I have to delete or relocate it. Then if I go back to KDE, I would have to set up the appearance all over again. Now, I don't know what KDE package |
| 21:16.29 | Lady_Aleena | I should report this to as a bug. There does not appear to be a general KDE package on my system according to dpkg -l | grep kde. Any suggestions? |
| 21:16.31 | noln | Ah, thank you. Good to know. |
| 21:16.39 | noln | dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 21:16.40 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 21:16.47 | noln | !pin |
| 21:16.47 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 21:17.03 | Lady_Aleena | Oh, the files are created in my $HOME. |
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| 21:17.27 | greycat | since when does KDE use gtk? |
| 21:17.59 | Lady_Aleena | So, setting up KDE's appearance affects XFCE's appearance. |
| 21:18.12 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, its there somewhere. I am not on KDE at the moment. |
| 21:18.38 | greycat | I thought KDE used Qt. Eh, what do I know about desktop environments.... |
| 21:19.15 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, KDE does use qt, but qt can be set up to use the gtk theme chosen. |
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| 21:20.12 | noln | gtkrc is for gtk. gtk and qt apps can be used in kde and xfce independently. |
| 21:20.56 | Lady_Aleena | noln, the .gtkrc-2.0 file specifically mentions it was set up by KDE. |
| 21:21.50 | Kali_Yuga | I reinstalled this thime without seperate /home and guided LVM, still the same issue. It was Setting up Grub before installation finished |
| 21:21.56 | noln | kde is a name for a set of preinstalled packages and defaults. the app uses qt or gtk or whatever, which look into the respective dot-files |
| 21:21.57 | Kali_Yuga | time* |
| 21:22.28 | coruja | the complexer desktop environments are, the more they tend to interfere with each other, so not sure if it may be called a bug |
| 21:22.34 | Lady_Aleena | noln, I am trying to figure out what KDE package is the main KDE package to file a bug to. |
| 21:22.34 | noln | yes, there is a kde lib, but the theme rendering is up to qt. |
| 21:23.27 | Kali_Yuga | I also had another issue when Lan is connected the installer would freeze up at Configuring DHCPv6. So I could not use network mirror |
| 21:23.42 | Kali_Yuga | a* |
| 21:25.22 | ryouma | i fear de's. they keep changing my applications like with file association. and i have to keep adding new things to fluxbox startup like that bus thing. |
| 21:25.34 | noln | Lady_Aleena, maybe you would have more luck in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:28.50 | aaro | what bus thing? dbus? |
| 21:29.24 | Lady_Aleena | noln, I guess so. |
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| 21:32.54 | noln | Lady_Aleena, I hope for the best. They also have a dedicated mailing list. If everything else fails, metapackage task-kde-desktop could possibly be a suitable fallback |
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| 21:34.00 | salcedo | debian EC2 image when? |
| 21:34.09 | salcedo | (buster) |
| 21:34.11 | Lady_Aleena | That is probably the one I need. I didn't see it there at the bottom of the dpkg list. |
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| 21:40.29 | salcedo | oh. administrative issues. :( |
| 21:41.15 | Kali_Yuga | tried all kinds of thing in the bios now to no avail, It still gives me the same error 1962: No Operating System found. |
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| 21:46.36 | strive | Is there a way to disable NetworkManager's AP scanning? |
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| 21:48.54 | uRock | strive, I think "restrict background data usage might do that |
| 21:49.08 | uRock | That shows p as an option in settings |
| 21:49.10 | strive | uRock: Thanks! I'll look into that. |
| 21:49.33 | uRock | I use that when connecting other peoples' WiFi |
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| 21:53.01 | strive | uRock: I don't see that option. Is that something that needs to be put into a config file? |
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| 22:08.22 | kreyren | end-user requires help with debian installation -> Is there an iso with non-free firmware so that end-user has access to it's wifi-driver? |
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| 22:14.25 | jmcnaught | !firmware image |
| 22:14.25 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:14.29 | jmcnaught | kreyren: ^ |
| 22:15.44 | kreyren | jmcnaught, thanks |
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| 22:25.06 | leftist | what is the download link to do a full install of debian? i am not doing the net install |
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| 22:26.53 | leftist | i keep seeing disk1, is this like centos with multiple disks? |
| 22:27.02 | leftist | i havent installed debian in years is why i am asking |
| 22:28.05 | jmcnaught | leftist: you won't have network available during the installation? |
| 22:28.20 | leftist | yes i will jmcnaught |
| 22:28.22 | jmcnaught | leftist: the first disk should be all that you need if you are doing a network-less install |
| 22:28.23 | swift110 | I have only installed #! and Bunsenlabs and I needed help to do both of them. |
| 22:28.58 | jmcnaught | swift110: only Debian is supported here, you'll need to get support in the IRC channels for those distros. |
| 22:28.59 | petn-randall | swift110: You will have to ask in their respective channels then. |
| 22:29.05 | petn-randall | !crunchbang |
| 22:29.05 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 22:29.09 | petn-randall | !bunsenlabs |
| 22:29.09 | dpkg | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
| 22:29.26 | petn-randall | swift110: You can find the IRC channels here. ^^^ |
| 22:29.39 | leftist | i was going to run mate manager |
| 22:29.42 | jmcnaught | leftist: if you will have network access then using the net installer is recommended. It will result in the least amount of downloading because only a small image is needed, and then the installer downloads required packages. |
| 22:30.17 | leftist | yeah your right i will just do that. i remember with centos i had so much difficulty with connecting, i will give debiann a spin thanks |
| 22:30.22 | swift110 | jmcnaught, and petn-randall thanks but I wasn't asking for support of those debian derivatives. I was only mentioning that's my only experience with something similar to debian |
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| 22:31.15 | jmcnaught | swift110: sorry I misunderstood. |
| 22:31.21 | petn-randall | Ah, ok |
| 22:31.50 | swift110 | jmcnaught, it's cool I am curious to learn more about Debian of course. |
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| 22:33.57 | jmcnaught | swift110: well if you run into trouble installing Debian this is one place to ask. Fortunately the installation process is pretty well documented: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 22:34.00 | leftist | thanks everyone |
| 22:34.10 | leftist | got it |
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| 22:40.08 | swift110 | good to know jmcnaught I have a rather low spec machine that I am on right now and it would be nice to use something more appropiate for its use |
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| 22:44.07 | humpled | hello fellow former crunchbang user / |
| 22:45.08 | humpled | i still have a debian 9 that was just upgraded from bunsenlabs based on deb8 and seemed to work fine and keep its style |
| 22:45.09 | swift110 | hey humpled |
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| 22:45.22 | swift110 | how were you able to upgrade it like that |
| 22:45.37 | humpled | dunno just changed the sources |
| 22:45.54 | swift110 | oh that's cool |
| 22:46.02 | swift110 | what de are you using? |
| 22:46.28 | humpled | that one still has ob but mostly i'm using xfce now, with dusk theme |
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| 22:47.31 | swift110 | nice |
| 22:47.46 | petn-randall | If you "crossgrade", things might break as bunsenlabs is not 100% compatible to Debian. |
| 22:48.05 | swift110 | is there much a difference in weight between openbox and xfce |
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| 22:50.24 | humpled | sure there's some differences but of course once you open a serious browser they don't matter any more |
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| 22:51.09 | humpled | my xfce is on a single core and seems fine, things might be a bit slow to load |
| 22:51.52 | swift110 | goodness a single core, I am on an x60 right now |
| 22:52.17 | swift110 | I do agree with you about the browser though. I only have 2 gb on this machine lol |
| 22:52.46 | enri | hi is there any using hexchat? |
| 22:54.25 | annadane | yep |
| 22:54.27 | humpled | yup there are |
| 22:54.34 | swift110 | enri, yes enri why' |
| 22:54.36 | annadane | though i'd like to fully transition to irssi... |
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| 22:55.13 | ryouma | swift110: there is a site that compares wm and de |
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| 22:55.48 | enri | swift110, i dont realy understand how do i show @ and + in front of nicknames? |
| 22:55.57 | swift110 | 5 tabs open, irc and telegram and I am still just below a gig of ram used |
| 22:56.09 | enri | now seeing just collors |
| 22:56.15 | swift110 | ryouma, link please? |
| 22:56.38 | enri | lie ops have green collor bubble ant etc |
| 22:56.43 | ryouma | swift110: dunno |
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| 23:01.21 | swift110 | ok |
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| 23:07.24 | alexandros_tab | hi swift |
| 23:07.30 | alexandros_tab | hi swift110 |
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| 23:12.40 | Antoine | Hello, during the upgrade to Buster, I got "warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/share/man/gl/man8': Directory not empty". Debian still works perfectly fine but is there anything I should to about it? |
| 23:12.55 | Antoine | I got that one too "warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/apm/event.d': Directory not empty" |
| 23:14.55 | Lady_Aleena | enri, why would you need @ or + in front of user names. Just type in the bare name, and the user will see the message highlighted in the color of their choice (or whatever the default setting is). |
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| 23:16.05 | Lady_Aleena | IRC is not like Twitter or Facebook, so no special characters are needed to highlight a user. |
| 23:17.15 | Lady_Aleena | enri, and, depending on your IRC client, you may have tab complete on user names. |
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| 23:21.06 | enri | Lady_Aleena, no no i just want to those @ or + whose have it on channel. like now in this channel i know the debhelper has an @ but i just seeing green bubble |
| 23:21.37 | enri | like you remember first mirc program |
| 23:22.19 | Lady_Aleena | enri, since you are using hexchat, the "active" people are in black, the inactive ones are in gray. |
| 23:22.47 | gorilla | debhelper has "OPs" so can do actions such as mute or kick people. |
| 23:23.04 | enri | yes i know this |
| 23:23.26 | gorilla | enri: sorry. |
| 23:23.41 | petn-randall | Antoine: That usually is a hint for you to check manually, and clean it up if you don't need anything there. |
| 23:23.45 | petn-randall | *That's |
| 23:24.08 | rhizome | i've got a problem with updating from the docker repo, "does not have a release file" on testing. i see that the underlying version has changed from buster, does docker require that I use that? |
| 23:24.11 | enri | but i see like not old times @debhelper but "greenbubble"debhelper |
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| 23:27.10 | Lady_Aleena | enri, not every op keeps themselves ops unless there is a need for them to be ops. |
| 23:28.04 | Lady_Aleena | enri, do you need an op right now? |
| 23:28.20 | enri | no no |
| 23:28.32 | Lady_Aleena | enri, then why are you worried about it? |
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| 23:28.57 | jmcnaught | I think enri is asking why ops have some green icon that has replaced the @ |
| 23:28.57 | enri | my mistake to explaining what i need :)) |
| 23:29.06 | enri | yes |
| 23:29.09 | enri | exatly |
| 23:29.10 | petn-randall | enri: ops seldomly op themselves for various reasons. One is random people begging to get ops just after joining a channel. |
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| 23:29.19 | petn-randall | Other is random trolling targeted at opers |
| 23:29.41 | enri | i want back to old sign |
| 23:29.52 | jmcnaught | enri: the answer to your question is probably theme related, it could be something in your hexchat preferences. |
| 23:30.43 | enri | its a little bit tricky for me with this stuff i just moved from win to linux |
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| 23:31.16 | enri | my distro have that hexchat |
| 23:31.20 | petn-randall | enri: Ah, congrats on the move! I promise you won't miss going back after a while :) |
| 23:31.51 | enri | its a little diferent like it use to be on win :)) |
| 23:31.58 | enri | thanks petn-randall :) |
| 23:32.44 | enri | so maybe my questions also a little wierd you know :)) |
| 23:32.52 | silverballz | rhizome: update the apt source file /etc/apt/sources.list REFERENCE:https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 23:33.02 | gorilla | enri: yeah, well done on making the leap. |
| 23:33.28 | Lady_Aleena | enri, you have a lot of adjusting to do. Have fun! |
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| 23:33.54 | enri | yeah i know, i think i having now :)) |
| 23:34.13 | enri | what distros you a using? |
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| 23:45.03 | annadane | is it considered crossposting if i already asked a question on the debian subreddit and ask it again here? |
| 23:45.54 | petn-randall | Depends on how much time has passed. |
| 23:45.58 | Unit193 | annadane: dunst |
| 23:46.08 | annadane | Unit193, yeah, tried it, doesn't work |
| 23:46.11 | petn-randall | If it's been half a day, it's fine to ask here if you didn't get a response. |
| 23:46.23 | petn-randall | If it's < 10 min, you might get scolded ;) |
| 23:46.24 | Unit193 | annadane: You removed it and killed the running process? |
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| 23:47.35 | annadane | Unit193, that did it. i didn't know i had to kill the process after getting rid of it |
| 23:47.40 | annadane | thanks |
| 23:48.00 | Unit193 | Sure thing. Spent a bit of time tracking dunst down some other month, so knew right off the top what it was. |
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| 23:49.39 | annadane | for future generations: "how do you replace the i3 notification popup with the xfce one?" "remove dunst, kill the process [dunst being the i3 popup]" |
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